Sun Aft, 9/7, #2 [STAY ON TOPIC OR LOSE POSTING PRIVILEGES]

[concernedmom]

Originally posted by kakax
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Sunday afternoon, Texas EquuSearch announced it was suspending its search for Caylee Anthony. The organization cited environmental conditions and concerns as the reason for their decision.

Meanwhile, protestors continued to spend hours in front of the Anthony family home, demanding Casey Anthony tell investigators where her daughter Caylee is.

Sunday morning was quiet in front of the Anthony home. Casey's parents, George and Cindy Anthony, left for church around 10am but without Casey. A steady stream of curious people continued to drive past the house taking pictures and even knocking on the Anthony's door.


http://www.wftv.com/news/17393803/detail.html


For those of us interested in what George and Cindy have been up to today. [/*]

Is she allowed to be home alone?:(

[Takotna]

Originally posted by Carol25

In the phone call to 911, where she says to Casey, "I gave you thirty days..." says she wants her to cough her up, NOW! doesn't it? [/*]

Yup - That's what is so incredible - Cindy says 30 days to Casey while she was waiting on the line for LE. She tells LE a month -
(which would be June 15 - July 15)

Then- when LE gets there and they do their statements, the three of them say June 9th -

I know we've gone round and round about the date thing.

Bottom line, I think Cindy's "truth" changes depending on who she's talking to. I believe the 30 days she told Casey when she didn't know anyone was listening.

AllMO :)

[GrannyB]

Originally posted by Dunnie
They won't ever find Caylee. Ever.

I applaud Tim and his volunteers, but it's not going to happen.


:rose: [/*]ye


I believe they will find her. I won't give up on that yet.

[Chillin]

Originally posted by Dunnie
I don't think he will be back. It's like looking for a needle in a hay stack. JMO.

I'm usually wrong though, if that's any consolation. :D [/*]I disagree with you. I dont think Tim will leave.

[bluwaters]

Originally posted by Carol25

When Tim called off the search, did he say "for today?" It seems to me if it was for weather, he would have said that. Calling it off sounds permanent. [/*]

It's temporary. TES will come back.

[Chevalier]

Originally posted by summer4meplz
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sometimes, it makes all the difference in the world, the WAY someone asks, also...imo [/*]Exactly. I was ordered to post a recap of a news report or something similar the other day. I'd done it before I'd read the "order" as it's just something I do if I'm able. I'm happy to do it. I didn't like being ordered to though. I also don't like for important documents to be discounted and sneered at then asked to explain what's in them time and time again.

SayWhat, I get what you're saying. :seeya:

[concernedmom]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae


:rose:

Seems awfully early in the afternoon to call off ALL searches.
I pray they found our angel.

A visit to the Anthony home would probably precede any announcement by a couple of hours.....keep your eyes open.. [/*]

I understand the wet areas. But the weather is nice, people there to help and alot of daylight left. Surely everything cant be cleared yet except those wet areas. :confused:

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by Chevalier
Judging from the web cam, the weather does not look bad. I don't see how conditions could be worse than yesterday. Hmmmm.....seems odd given that so many have turned up to search. Many traveling great distances. [/*]

The web cam.. Good idea. Didn't think of looking there.

[shellzbi]

So what happens? TM pulls out. Caylee is still missing, family members are not looking for her. Very sad. IMO

[emdragon]

Originally posted by GrannyB


As far as we know Cindy is the last person with Caylee per video at the bond hearingl How do we know Cindy isn't a POI. Le doesn't have to say if she is. [/*]

Maybe we know because LE has repeated the ONLY one with the answers is Casey not Cindy.
Just as they have said they believe Casey is responsible for whatever happened to Caylee NOT Cindy.
The deal for partial immunity to tell where Caylee is was for Casey not Cindy.

[GrannyB]

IIRC Tim waited 18 months before his daughter was found. He knows what it's like not knowing. He won't give up this quick. I consider Tim to be a blessing for Caylee. She will receive justice before this is over.

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by Dunnie
They won't ever find Caylee. Ever.

I applaud Tim and his volunteers, but it's not going to happen.


:rose: [/*]

I am w/you on this Dunnie. I will be shocked if they find that baby now. Always good to be wrong but you know how these things go.

[trich]

Originally posted by GrannyB


It might be easy to say but I don't believe it would be legal. You give your car to someone to use it's not stolen. [/*]



All my daughter's childrens cars are in her name until the time comes when they get a degree and big girl or big boy job and can pay for insurance etc.
If they were to take off in the car for days without her permission she would call the police because she did not give them permission to go blah blah blah.( only she would not have waited a month I can promise you that)
Oh yes you can have a person arrested if they take off in vehicle in your name if they do not have permission to just leave in it.

[girlspell]

Please someone verify this.

Was chloroform found in Caylee's hair? I tried to post of another thread, but it was closed.

[AlohaRainbow]

arrrrrrrrrgh!
still trying to read/catch up on the (now closed as i found out when i went to post a reply about human decomposition odor analysis) morning thread...

anyway, i posted severa links on the links thread about studies of humandecomposition odor and analysis.

here's a snippet from one of those links:
http://www.searchdogs.org/articles/Decomp%20Odor%20Analysis%20Database.pdf
The purpose of the present study was to begin the difficult task
of detecting and identifying volatile and semivolatile compounds
that migrate upward from human burials to the soil surface during
decomposition. Identification of these compounds with subsequent verification by HRD canines will provide a basis by which the HRD canine handlers can begin standardizing and optimizing their training procedures.

Identification of these compounds is also important in the development of analytical instrumentation used to augment or supplant the canine (when they are unavailable). The results herein describe the development of the Decompositional Odor Analysis Database, which identifies chemicals associated with the decomposition of buried human remains (defined herein as a clandestine act where human remains are buried in hastily dug, shallow graves).

The database contains a record of the volatile chemicals as they are produced near the body and follows their migration upward, through the soil column, to the surface.

[deep*fear]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert


Interesting point. Remember tho, LE has the plastic bag of trash that Mr. Burk and george found in the trunk. I bet they tested that for chloroform residue and/or fumes. That could help determine when the chloroform was used. [/*]

I forgot that bag. I am glad they may have a bag from the time frame that Caylee disappeared for testing (comparison to other bags that may be found with evidence)

[GrannyB]

Originally posted by emdragon


Maybe we know because LE has repeated the ONLY one with the answers is Casey not Cindy.
Just as they have said they believe Casey is responsible for whatever happened to Caylee NOT Cindy.
The deal for partial immunity to tell where Caylee is was for Casey not Cindy. [/*]

Could be all they need is for Casey to tell them what Cindy has told her. They aren't going to let the public know all they know.
They will try whatever they have to to get to the truth.

[Chillin]

Originally posted by Dunnie


When is the time right in a swamp? :shrug:

(Sorry for snipping). [/*]Some of the areas arent swamps..I'm sure many think Fla is all swamp but we arent...there are wet places..from all the rain..I'm sure once those dry they will be checked.

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by Dunnie


When is the time right in a swamp? :shrug:

(Sorry for snipping). [/*]

:seeya: When the water receeds back to pre-Fay levels, IMO.

Believe it or not, Florida has been struggling with drought the last few years. Many lakes were shrinking. Swamps were drying up, etc. Rain from Fay made the water levels go up.

[Chevalier]

Originally posted by the breeze


jmo but i think they may have found her and LE is makeing sure before they annouce anything. [/*]I'm afraid to be hopeful, but that's what my, Hmmmmm..., was about.

[Chillin]

Originally posted by SayWHAT?


Oh my goodness! Did you just tell me to relax? I really don't need a lecture. Really. I'm not new to the boards.

Back on topic ...

So, what's your take on the fact they've called off the search? [/*]AJnTam happens to be a very nice poster that was only trying to help you. I didnt see a lecture myself.

[trich]

Has anyone read a possible date as to when the search for uses of chloroform were done on the computer?
That information alone should be all telling. IMO

[jmgos1]

Originally posted by the breeze


jmo but i think they may have found her and LE is makeing sure before they annouce anything. [/*]


Just a thought that popped up in my brain. Because Lenny said that Tim was going to dig up a slab in the Anthony's back yard. Maybe Casey wan't to change her story. And Tim was getting a new search area. Just a thought.

[ChloeRN]

Originally posted by Dunnie
Easy..... my car has been stolen. :shrug: It's in their names, not Casey's. [/*]

I wonder how Casey got to her so-called job each day if she only used her parents car now and then?

Did she just walk out of her house each day with little Caylee in tow with out any means of transportation?

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by Chillin
Some of the areas arent swamps..I'm sure many think Fla is all swamp but we arent...there are wet places..from all the rain..I'm sure once those dry they will be checked. [/*]

Yes, good point. It's not just swampy, lake areas Time is talking about.There are low lying areas that are prone to flooding. Areas that were bone dry prior to Caylee going missing that are now soaked.

[Chillin]

Originally posted by ?WudScoobyDo


It sure doesn't seem to be working out. I agree.
:seeya: [/*]

Some protest..some sit on their computers and discuss this case..to each their own i suppose.

"live and let live"

[Chillin]

Originally posted by Dunnie
His daughter was not in a swamp, unless you have a link to prove otherwise. Tim lives in Texas.

Chandra Levy was right there in Rock Creek Park in Washington, D.C., no hurricaines, no swamps, no gaters. Big difference than being down in the Everglades. JMO. [/*]

Why do you keep saying swamp as if the only areas she might be are swamps? You must remember she had to of gone to this area herself and put the body there..I seriously dont see that being a swamp.

[Carol25]

Originally posted by jmgos1



Just a thought that popped up in my brain. Because Lenny said that Tim was going to dig up a slab in the Anthony's back yard. Maybe Casey wan't to change her story. And Tim was getting a new search area. Just a thought. [/*]
DO you mean that the search for the people is off, but Tim's team might be going to A's house to search the backyard?

If that's your thought, I think it's a good one!

We'll keep an eye on the cam!

[jmgos1]

Originally posted by girlspell
Please someone verify this.

Was chloroform found in Caylee's hair? I tried to post of another thread, but it was closed. [/*]


Nothing has been reported.

[summer4meplz]

Originally posted by girlspell
Please someone verify this.

Was chloroform found in Caylee's hair? I tried to post of another thread, but it was closed. [/*]

i don't think we know the answer to that...imo

[martha]

Originally posted by AJandTam


The web cam.. Good idea. Didn't think of looking there. [/*]lost my web cam link anyone have it I am going to write it down this time.tia:rose:

[Chillin]

I dont see Tim getting involved with digging in someones back yard...the LE would do that. IMO

[concernedmom]

Originally posted by Serenity


Casey gave Caylee to someone she trusted-- and she doesn't know where Caylee is. This could very well be true.

Someone took Caylee off of her hands after her death and took care of her problem.

I'm not going to drag names through the mud but some things with other people is not adding up. [/*]

Its crossed my mind alot that someone helped her dispose of Caylee. Maybe she put her in the yard and someone took over from there. If you are thinking what Ive thought than I believe Caylee would be buried.

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by SayWHAT?


Oh my goodness! Did you just tell me to relax? I really don't need a lecture. Really. I'm not new to the boards.

Back on topic ...

So, what's your take on the fact they've called off the search? [/*]

No, not lecturing ya, just pointing out the positive of the situation, instead of the negative.

Not sure yet, it's breaking news but usually if say a body was found or something suspicious, that kind of news travels fast. So I doubt it's anything big. Everyone is saying it's a nice day there so it's not weather related. Heat and bugs and gators are a normal part of what was already to be expected, so I have no idea why the search was called off.

[GrannyB]

Originally posted by Dunnie
His daughter was not in a swamp, unless you have a link to prove otherwise. Tim lives in Texas.

Chandra Levy was right there in Rock Creek Park in Washington, D.C., no hurricaines, no swamps, no gaters. Big difference than being down in the Everglades. JMO. [/*]


Sigh... I live in Texas where Tim lives. Same city. IIRC she was found in a field close to their home. Police wouldn't even consider her missing. Just a runaway. No one would even look for her. It was wrong. He won't give up. He will treat Caylee like his daughter should have been treated. Not knowing where your child is to me would be the worst thing on earth. The not knowing.

[Chillin]

Originally posted by Serenity


Not necessarily!
Several hours passed before TonE picked Casey up. [/*]

I thought The bounty hunter said the car was parked there the night before per someone who worked at amscot?

[emdragon]

Originally posted by jennyanydots


Sadly its oddly familiar. I feel so empty inside. I can only hope he has called off the search; because LE has found something or they are ready to charge this family. No need to search if they are going to charge......that's all I can think of. [/*]

Unless already have found her there will always be a reason to search.. doesn't matter if they charge Casey or not. LE would never say "oh we are going to charge no need for you to continue looking"

[bluwaters]

Equusearch halts search for Caylee

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7378423&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Texas Equusearch announced today that it will cease searching for Caylee Anthony -- at least for now. The team of volunteers -- which numbered in the thousands Saturday -- is disbanding due to flooding conditions which director Tim Miller said has been preventing them from being able to properly search for the missing toddler. During a 3 p.m. news conference with Orange County Sheriff Kevin Beary, Miller he feared the searchers' vehicles could possibly run over the body of Caylee Anthony if she was submerged under flood waters. Miller said he did not want to compromise any evidence. Miller also stressed that the suspension of the search is only temporary, and that the group would return to find Caylee as soon conditions improve.

[kakax]

Originally posted by jennyanydots


Sadly its oddly familiar. I feel so empty inside. I can only hope he has called off the search; because LE has found something or they are ready to charge this family. No need to search if they are going to charge......that's all I can think of. [/*]


I don't think they have found anything...last night on My Fox Orlando, TES said they were stopping the search. If you look in the links thread, you will see the summary of what was said last night. Basically the same thing said today.

[Carol25]

Originally posted by Chillin
I dont see Tim getting involved with digging in someones back yard...the LE would do that. IMO [/*]
However, IIRC, Tim has equipment like radar that LE doesn't have.

[Chillin]

Originally posted by bluwaters
Equusearch halts search for Caylee

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7378423&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[/*]That solves the mystery on why the search has stopped.

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by martha
lost my web cam link anyone have it I am going to write it down this time.tia:rose: [/*]

Here ya go Martha.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

You might be able to temp add it to your online fav's then delete it when you don't need it anymore.

[Chillin]

Originally posted by Carol25

However, IIRC, Tim has equipment like radar that LE doesn't have. [/*]

He might do it ..its just my opinion he wont get involved in anything to do with the Anthony home.

[GrannyB]

Originally posted by jennyanydots


I firmly believe that gasoline was used in the disposal of her remains, after days of sitting in that trunk; and there isnt anythng to find. Lets Ask George.
LE, do you care to ask George about that? 20 days 31 days Fathers Day, it's all a huge lie, I believe. All three are involved.
Poor Little Caylee Marie Anthony. What Hell is This? [/*]


What exactly do you think he did with the gas? Burning didn't work with M. Lauterbach and it didn't work here.

[jmgos1]

Originally posted by house
Why not take Tim at his word? :shrug: [/*]


That is too easy.


:seeya:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by jennyanydots


Sadly its oddly familiar. I feel so empty inside. I can only hope he has called off the search; because LE has found something or they are ready to charge this family. No need to search if they are going to charge......that's all I can think of. [/*]

I disagree. I thought the search was to bring poor Caylee home for a proper, dignified burial....instead of being thrown away like that. That goal should not change, even if they're ready to charge someone.

[Chillin]

Originally posted by Dunnie
My point is that we have no idea where Caylee is. If the cell phone pings are supposed to mean something, they really don't. Someone could have had Casey's cell phone and the pings would shown her as being in a place she wasn't.

I know I'm grasping, and I believe Casey did something to her child. No one else, but the defense could tear this case apart easily unless a body is found, and I don't think Caylee will ever be found.

Trenton Duckett hasn't been found, and he was in the general vicinity. Can't remember the exact town though. JMO. [/*]I agree anything can happen. Thats why LE isnt bringing murder charges on her right now.

[shellzbi]

Originally posted by ?WudScoobyDo


I don't know why she wouldn't be. She is an adult.

imo [/*]

I thought she had to be supervised?

[GrannyB]

Originally posted by jmgos1



That is too easy.


:seeya: [/*]


LE may not want it out when the body is first found. Even when they find it they still have to figure out who to charge with the crime. I believe Tim and I also believe Tim will do what LE asks him to , to ensure Caylee gets justice.

[MyrDawn]

Originally posted by SayWHAT?


... um, my post was directed at one individual. Not sure why several others felt the need to chime in, but we should really move on. Thanks for your input. [/*]

I find it best to use PM's if I want to say something to an individual and not have other posters chime in on an open message board like this. I'm saying this to save you future frustration.

[beemeup]

Originally posted by PeteyRawks
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/7/security_cameras_installed_at_anthony_home.html

“I just have a huge concern that if Caylee is out there and her little body and something did happen to her, and she’s just possibly skeletal remains, if we’re going through there with four-wheelers and horses and just accidentally run over her because she’s under that water and we can’t see her, we’re going to push her more in the mud,” Miller said."


It's too muddy and watery in places. He's so kind and respectful of Caylee, unlike you know who. [/*]

Oh my god that is just so horrid. Kudo's to Tim and all the searcher's. You are truly earth's angels.

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by Chillin
AJnTam happens to be a very nice poster that was only trying to help you. I didnt see a lecture myself. [/*]

Thank you chillin.

[concernedmom]

Originally posted by Serenity


Someone she trusted
She doesn't know where she is
She thinks close to home

Car at Amscot first sighting 7am
TonE picks her up much later than 7am [/*]

She gave her to someone who loved her too.

The person Im thinking of I dont see burning the body, pitching in a dumpster or destroying it in any way .

[Chillin]

Originally posted by jennyanydots
If gasoline was used in this crime; and I think it was, if LE thinks this as well; they would be pretty convincing in that there is no body to find. Only ashes.
Those gasonline cans are part of this crime, they confiscated them. Finding Caylee, I dont think should be the focus. Science has proven she is dead. Prosecuting this family, that is next. If I were tim; Sad as this is; I dont think I could go on searching knowing what I know of what these three family members have said. I believe they disposed of her quite profinciantly. Im sorry but it's what I believe. My theory is still holding; I'd give anything for the facts to prove different.
Dots [/*]You couldnt burn that body down to ashes with gas..

[bluwaters]

EquuSearch stops search for Caylee Anthony

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-bk-caylee-body-search-090708,0,6212285.story

[KimTheGreat]

Hey everyone. :seeya:

Have there been any new developments since last night?? And what is this about the search being called off?

Thanks.

[Joan Weiss]

Originally posted by GrannyB



LE may not want it out when the body is first found. Even when they find it they still have to figure out who to charge with the crime. I believe Tim and I also believe Tim will do what LE asks him to , to ensure Caylee gets justice. [/*]But when Laci was found the news came immediately. A body was found and it was reported almost instantly. imo

[Chillin]

Originally posted by KimTheGreat
Hey everyone. :seeya:

Have there been any new developments since last night?? And what is this about the search being called off?

Thanks. [/*]Temporary call off due to weather and conditions I believe,

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by jennyanydots


I totally agree. Since this case broke this board has moved so fast, and it's been really hard to even attempt to "keep up" if anyone asked me questions, pages back or thread back I wouldnt have a clue. :D

Did you all see that chick in front of the cam ?? She just stood there in front of it; very odd. [/*]

Really fast huh? Sheesh. I'm a page behind right now. I meant to say hi to Savannah earlier too.

That was strange, I guess she didnt' know she was in front of it??

[Chillin]

Hard for me to believe Casey would protect anyone but herself..so for me I cant grasp anyone else being involved but her.

[MyrDawn]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


Do you understand how much "evidence" is collected that never really becomes true evidence, connected with a crime?

It's a gross misstatement that just because they've collected the gas cans that it is to be automatically inferred that they're in any way connected to Caylee's disappearance. [/*]

Very true. They collect many things that might possibly be connected to a crime, but don't know if they are actually evidence until they have a chance to test them.

[GrannyB]

Originally posted by Joan Weiss
But when Laci was found the news came immediately. A body was found and it was reported almost instantly. imo [/*]


That's true with Laci but they knew who did it. I really don't think they are sure with Caylee.

[barskin&co.]

Originally posted by GrannyB



That's true with Laci but they knew who did it. I really don't think they are sure with Caylee. [/*]
Oh, think they (LE) knows who did it. Casey.

[trich]

Personally I think IKE has alot to do with it and also I think
all the searchers need a break.
The heat and humidity is beyond belief.....
Not good for anyone.
If you haven't experienced it you would not believe what it does to a person.
It is not conducive for good health for anyone.

Bless those who are out there day in and day out.

[MyrDawn]

Originally posted by house


First they have to identify the body. In the meantime, I wouldn't think LE would mind at all sending that family into a good panic. Particularly, if they have the house bugged. :D [/*]

Now, there's something to think about! :D

[Cheri_G]

Originally posted by Dunnie
His daughter was not in a swamp, unless you have a link to prove otherwise. Tim lives in Texas.

Chandra Levy was right there in Rock Creek Park in Washington, D.C., no hurricaines, no swamps, no gaters. Big difference than being down in the Everglades. JMO. [/*]

Fortunately for Tim and the other searches they aren't down in the Everglades. I think the problem is that due to the storms and heavy rains they have had in Florida, places that are normally dry are covered in water and/or muddy.

[MichelleP]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


Do you understand how much "evidence" is collected that never really becomes true evidence, connected with a crime?

It's a gross misstatement that just because they've collected the gas cans that it is to be automatically inferred that they're in any way connected to Caylee's disappearance. [/*]

What about the evidence they found in her trunk?

http://www.wftv.com/news/17315205/detail.html

"Orange County detectives were expected to meet with the State Attorney's office to discuss new evidence in the Caylee Anthony case. A source close to the investigation confirmed for Eyewitness News, that FBI test results show hair and a stain in the trunk of Casey Anthony's car belong to her daughter, 3-year-old Caylee Anthony. Eyewitness News was also told the evidence found proves that she is dead."

Do you think that will be introduced as evidence?

[True2Blues]

Originally posted by SayWHAT?


Neither do I. Seems the weather and ground conditions are similar today to the last several days of the search.

I'm suspicious something else is up ... but then again, everything about this nightmare is suspicious.

So, again ... we wait. :( [/*]


IIRC, Tim Miller stated early on in the search (maybe on NG, can't remember exactly), that there was a lot of standing water in areas they wanted to search. He said they might have to wait for the water to go down to do the job properly.

With the hurricanes going through the area I'm sure nothing has dried up, it's probably gotten worse.

Maybe they have gone over all the open area they can at this point and they now have to wait for the other areas to dry out a bit so they can get in and really check them?

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by SayWHAT?


Neither do I. Seems the weather and ground conditions are similar today to the last several days of the search.

I'm suspicious something else is up ... but then again, everything about this nightmare is suspicious.

So, again ... we wait. :( [/*]

I just read a link that said it was due to flooding. Guess that's it. Although, seems like that is something they would have already taken into consideration. So like you said, now we wait and see if anything develops. I doubt anything big though.

Yes, lots of suspicious activity so far, enough that I think the baby is gone. But until she is found, there is always hope.

[martha]

Originally posted by AJandTam


Here ya go Martha.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

You might be able to temp add it to your online fav's then delete it when you don't need it anymore. [/*]Thank all of you for being so nice to me now I need to fig out how to save it to my fav so i want bother you all again. sorry to be so much trouble.love ya all.:rose:

[GrannyB]

Originally posted by Chillin
Hard for me to believe Casey would protect anyone but herself..so for me I cant grasp anyone else being involved but her. [/*]


IF and I mean IF Cindy did this Casey was raised by her from birth. She has been programmed to do and say in public what Cindy says. It does happen. It's just as possible this is why Casey has no emotions as it is she is the one responsibe for Caylee's death. We just don't have enough yet to know.

[shellzbi]

Originally posted by MrLucky917


She is, the ankle bracelet... [/*]


I meant supervised.

Not being left alone.

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by AlohaRainbow
arrrrrrrrrgh!
still trying to read/catch up on the (now closed as i found out when i went to post a reply about human decomposition odor analysis) morning thread...

anyway, i posted severa links on the links thread about studies of humandecomposition odor and analysis.

here's a snippet from one of those links:
http://www.searchdogs.org/articles/Decomp%20Odor%20Analysis%20Database.pdf
The purpose of the present study was to begin the difficult task
of detecting and identifying volatile and semivolatile compounds
that migrate upward from human burials to the soil surface during
decomposition. Identification of these compounds with subsequent verification by HRD canines will provide a basis by which the HRD canine handlers can begin standardizing and optimizing their training procedures.

Identification of these compounds is also important in the development of analytical instrumentation used to augment or supplant the canine (when they are unavailable). The results herein describe the development of the Decompositional Odor Analysis Database, which identifies chemicals associated with the decomposition of buried human remains (defined herein as a clandestine act where human remains are buried in hastily dug, shallow graves).

The database contains a record of the volatile chemicals as they are produced near the body and follows their migration upward, through the soil column, to the surface. [/*]


Aloha

This may be part 1 to my part 2. Did you get this from a library? I tried to find a free online source for the article I wanted to link to but was unable to?

[concernedmom]

Originally posted by Barefooted
If she is found, why would they delay letting the piblic know about it? Maybe remains WERE found, and its not Caylee, or it is caylee. I remember reading not too long ago that when Tim Miller & crew & volunteers search, the sometimes solve other mysteries in the process when they find bodies they weren't even looking for.

But I still think shes in a landfill. jmo [/*]

As tight lipped as this LE has been I could see them remaining quiet until all evidence was collected from scene and an autopsy was done on remains.

[Boxer]

Originally posted by KimTheGreat
Hey everyone. :seeya:

Have there been any new developments since last night?? And what is this about the search being called off?

Thanks. [/*]

sounds like the search is only called off in the wettest areas? standing storm water from Fay is in the way?:shrug:

[barskin&co.]

Originally posted by True2Blues



IIRC, Tim Miller stated early on in the search (maybe on NG, can't remember exactly), that there was a lot of standing water in areas they wanted to search. He said they might have to wait for the water to go down to do the job properly.

With the hurricanes going through the area I'm sure nothing has dried up, it's probably gotten worse.

Maybe they have gone over all the open area they can at this point and they now have to wait for the other areas to dry out a bit so they can get in and really check them? [/*]
It would be so difficult to find Caylee's skeletal remains...:(

[crimeq]

Originally posted by GrannyB



What exactly do you think he did with the gas? Burning didn't work with M. Lauterbach and it didn't work here. [/*]

The little foster boy in Cincinnati (Marcus F.) who was killed by his caregivers was burned in a fireplace out in the woods. Part of his bones did not burn and they were thrown into the Ohio River, IIRC. So burning Caylee's small body is feasible and getting rid of the parts that didn't burn would be quite easy in that terrain. JMO

[Duckaroo]

If Casey "gave" Caylee to someone, like on a permanent level, for them to keep and raise. I would think she would by now just come forward instead of allowing all of this to go on, all the suffering, the searching..protesters and neighbors fighting, etc.

If she "gave" Caylee to someone, with the intentions of it being just for a short while, or if they took her from Casey. I cannot Imagine Casey showing what appears to be no emotion, or lack of concern.. even if the people who supposedly had her, loved her too. I know personally..as a mother, I'd still be out of my mind going crazy over the fact my child was not with me and that I had not seen nor heard from her/him in all this time. JMO

[MyrDawn]

Originally posted by concernedmom


As tight lipped as this LE has been I could see them remaining quiet until all evidence was collected from scene and an autopsy was done on remains. [/*]

I agree. If not a full autopsy, at least until a DNA test was done to establish whether or not it was Caylee.

JMO

[GrannyB]

Originally posted by barskin&co.

Oh, think they (LE) knows who did it. Casey. [/*]

If they do why no murder charges yet?

[Carol25]

Originally posted by the breeze



I still think they have found her gut feeling may be way off but if he was going to call off the search for today for the reasons he gave why did he let people come out and search this morning? Looks like they would have called it off last night if thats really the reason they have stoped searching. [/*]
I think we'll have a big clue if the search continues or it's done completely.

What are the dangers of Ike right now? Is anyone preparing to leave right now? Is anyone in that area at risk? I thought it was going to be west of Florida.

[Boxer]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


Do you understand how much "evidence" is collected that never really becomes true evidence, connected with a crime?

It's a gross misstatement that just because they've collected the gas cans that it is to be automatically inferred that they're in any way connected to Caylee's disappearance. [/*]

I think you have it backwards. Items collected as evidence, remain evidence and considered part of the crime scene(s) until that time that they are ruled out.

[bluwaters]

Tim Miller PC on calling search - video

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=00URZSxCayleeSearchSunday_09 0720080850&cat=Local&title=Caylee%20Search

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by M.Gundy48
When I watched 20/20 the other night, I was struck by the fact that family members said that while Casey was pregnant she denied- up until her very visible 7th month- that she was pregnant. The family was in disbelief that Cindy supported that lie also, despite the fact that Casey lived in her home and she HAD TO HAVE KNOWN that her daughter was, in fact, obviously pregnant. :shrug:

What kind of family is this? What kind of mother is Cindy? She is perpetuating this type of behavior when she continually condones and covers-up for Casey, sucks up to her in order to maintain contact, and bails her out of jail.

IMO, Cindy has come to the realization that Caylee is dead and she has decided to support Casey and her ridiculous lies, rather than lose her too. But....Cindy knows that Casey, and only Casey, is reponsible for the fact that she will never see her granddaughter alive again. And...I believe that Cindy herself is partially responsible for fostering Casey's belief that she can lie, obfuscate, steal, etc. and get away with it. From what I can tell, Casey has never been held to account for anything, by anyone.

Perhaps if Cindy and George had not let Casey get away with her lies in the past, Casey would not have thought that she could make up the biggest whopper of her life, and that everyone would believe her.

I believe that Casey thought she was invincible and that everyone was as clueless and easy to fool as her parents. I believe that her life experiences, so far, have proven that she CAN get away with just about anything. For some incomprehensible reason, her immediate family has supported her and continues to support her, even in the face of what I consider to be overwhelming evidence that she is reponsible for her daughters disappearance and probable death. No wonder the camera catches her smirking each time she is released from jail.

Unless Casey is abandoned by her family, she will continue to stonewall and Caylee will most likely never be found. With all the time that has passed, along with the absence of any cooperation on her part with LE, it is evident to me that this is nothing but a game to her and she undoubtedly enjoys the attention.

I DON'T EVER WANT TO SEE CINDY'S FACE ON TELEVISION AGAIN, harping at anyone to bring her granddaughter home!

If she truly wants her granddaughter home, then she should FORCE her daughter to give her a TRUTHFUL answer for once in her life!

Until such time, it is my opinion that Cindy does not want her granddaughter returned. Perhaps the reason is because she knows, in her mind if not her heart, that it will be a dead body. [/*]

This type of denial makes me think there is even more skeletons in this family. They learned to deny things much earlier than this, the big question is what and why.

[True2Blues]

Originally posted by Chillin
Hard for me to believe Casey would protect anyone but herself..so for me I cant grasp anyone else being involved but her. [/*]

I agree.

[MyrDawn]

Originally posted by GrannyB


If they do why no murder charges yet? [/*]

The last thing they'd want to do is to charge her before they collect as much evidence as possible. They have plenty of other charges against her to keep her where they want her while the seach continues for Caylee's body and they may well be waiting for more test results to come in. Most of the ones announced already were called "preliminary".

JMO

[purplepoints]

I keep hearing that Cindy should make her daughter tell the truth. IMO, and no offence to anyone who has posted that statement, but...

how is Cindy suppossed to force Casey to tell the truth? It is impossible to make someone do something, short of torture, and very impossible to make a habitual liar tell the truth. Most times, they don't even know what the truth is themselves.

And, as for Casey, Cindy has never been able to control her in the past, what makes anyone think she could now? I think Cindy tried to force her to tell her the truth when she called police and reported the car stolen, that didn't work.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by jennyanydots


Sadly its oddly familiar. I feel so empty inside. I can only hope he has called off the search; because LE has found something or they are ready to charge this family. No need to search if they are going to charge......that's all I can think of. [/*]

I agree. A possible "found something" or "ready to charge this family" can both be construed to have the meaning of....

"environmental conditions".

[firefly75]

Originally posted by PeteyRawks


Tim and TES are my top of list heroes. [/*]:beer:

[concernedmom]

Another reason If they found her to remain quiet until identification is properly made is so mommy dearest doesnt pull a Melinda Duckett until they can get her back in jail.

[Spring]

Something keeps bugging me about Casey's choice of words from the jail. They are BLAMING me for something I didn't do? What was done? I think I would say they are ACCUSING me of something I didn't do. Blame is for something that has happened.

[AlohaRainbow]

Originally posted by Barefooted


This link is fascinating reading IMO and once you read it you really are inspired w/ confidence about the air sampling being done by them. If their analysis comes back that its decomp from the car, I will beleive it. (Although I have no problem beleiving the dogs in the first place, esp when 1 hits and another dog confirms...)

thank you for this link. [/*]
yw.
i find the science fascinating.

[bluwaters]

Originally posted by Dunnie
His daughter was not in a swamp, unless you have a link to prove otherwise. Tim lives in Texas.

Chandra Levy was right there in Rock Creek Park in Washington, D.C., no hurricaines, no swamps, no gaters. Big difference than being down in the Everglades. JMO. [/*]

Orlando is a couple hundred miles away from the Everglades. They are not searching the Everglades!!

[concernedmom]

Originally posted by Spring
Something keeps bugging me about Casey's choice of words from the jail. They are BLAMING me for something I didn't do? What was done? I think I would say they are ACCUSING me of something I didn't do. Blame is for something that has happened. [/*]

Yeah. She said "They are going to pin this on me." Pin what?

[crimeq]

Originally posted by GrannyB



IF and I mean IF Cindy did this Casey was raised by her from birth. She has been programmed to do and say in public what Cindy says. It does happen. It's just as possible this is why Casey has no emotions as it is she is the one responsibe for Caylee's death. We just don't have enough yet to know. [/*]

MO is that Cindy is a borderline personality and the internal environment of that household was adversely affected by that. Casey is borderline too, IMO, and it would have developed within her mother's framework. There is some genetic contribution to the possibility of borderline personality, but it generally erupts in the teen years and isn't full-fledged until early adulthood. It is a developmental mental illness.

[GrannyB]

Originally posted by purplepoints
I keep hearing that Cindy should make her daughter tell the truth. IMO, and no offence to anyone who has posted that statement, but...

how is Cindy suppossed to force Casey to tell the truth? It is impossible to make someone do something, short of torture, and very impossible to make a habitual liar tell the truth. Most times, they don't even know what the truth is themselves.

And, as for Casey, Cindy has never been able to control her in the past, what makes anyone think she could now? I think Cindy tried to force her to tell her the truth when she called police and reported the car stolen, that didn't work. [/*]


A liar making another liar tell the truth. That would be interesting.

Does the liar really want the liar to tell the truth or is she lying?

[purplepoints]

Originally posted by Spring
Something keeps bugging me about Casey's choice of words from the jail. They are BLAMING me for something I didn't do? What was done? I think I would say they are ACCUSING me of something I didn't do. Blame is for something that has happened. [/*]


IMO probably just poor choice of words on Casey's part. You don't stop to think about the words you are using when in desperate situations, also, IIRC Casey is a high school drop out and probably doesn't have a very extensive vocabulary.

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by martha
Thank all of you for being so nice to me now I need to fig out how to save it to my fav so i want bother you all again. sorry to be so much trouble.love ya all.:rose: [/*]

No troubles at all Martha. My fav button looks like a star in the upper left hand corner. If that helps any.

[Spring]

Here is the radar map for Orlando. I don't see a drop of rain. Wonder what environmental conditions they are talking about.


http://www.weather.com/weather/map/interactive/USFL0372?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared

[mojito]

Originally posted by purplepoints



IMO probably just poor choice of words on Casey's part. You don't stop to think about the words you are using when in desperate situations, also, IIRC Casey is a high school drop out and probably doesn't have a very extensive vocabulary. [/*]


Not to be disrespectful of your post, but we've discussed Casey's education previously. She didn't complete her credits, and many people that are very intelligent didn't do well academically. Just a thought. :seeya:

[purplepoints]

Originally posted by GrannyB



A liar making another liar tell the truth. That would be interesting.

Does the liar really want the liar to tell the truth or is she lying? [/*]

:lol:

[barskin&co.]

Originally posted by GrannyB


If they do why no murder charges yet? [/*]

Because they want to have all their ducks in a row. The moment they charge her, the clock starts ticking.

Casey would never, let me repeat that, never, sit in jail taking the heat for anyone else. She has either lied or said nothing from day one. Why? Because she's the perp. Remember, the only person who reported Caylee missing was Cindy. Then, in the first jailhouse phone call, when Cindy was still telling Casey she as in jail because of "all her lies," Casey bullied Cindy back into line, where she has remained ever since, putting Casey's interests before Caylee.

[True2Blues]

Originally posted by concernedmom


Yeah. She said "They are going to pin this on me." Pin what? [/*]


Interesting isn't it? Lot's of references to a "Done Deal" scenario with poor Casey getting framed.

[GrannyB]

Originally posted by purplepoints



IMO probably just poor choice of words on Casey's part. You don't stop to think about the words you are using when in desperate situations, also, IIRC Casey is a high school drop out and probably doesn't have a very extensive vocabulary. [/*]

Under desperate situations you would be more likely to speak the truth. You have to think about a lie. The truth is just what it is. I wouldn't call her a drop out over half a credit.

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by Spring
Something keeps bugging me about Casey's choice of words from the jail. They are BLAMING me for something I didn't do? What was done? I think I would say they are ACCUSING me of something I didn't do. Blame is for something that has happened. [/*]

Something did happen. Casey lost Caylee. And then ran LE around to fake jobs and apartments looking for her after her own Mom called LE on her.

[AlohaRainbow]

Originally posted by forpsystudent



Aloha

This may be part 1 to my part 2. Did you get this from a library? I tried to find a free online source for the article I wanted to link to but was unable to? [/*]
if you click the link:
http://www.searchdogs.org/articles/Decomp%20Odor%20Analysis%20Database.pdf
that is the article "Decomposiitonal Odor Analysis Database"
in the upper right hand corner it also says:
J Forensic Sci, July 2004, Vol. 49, No. 4
Paper ID JFS2003434
Available online at: www.astm.org

i posted a few other links to this same type of info on the links thread

[MichelleP]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


What I think is that they'd best iron out their intimations of "suggests", "we believe","it implies" and all of their other loosely veiled comments before anything is entered as real evidence.

Same goes for the Chloroform, which I highly doubt will ever enter into this case as anything other than hyperbole. [/*]

If they found evidence in the trunk of the car that will be pretty hard to explain also if it points to a dead Caylee (even harder to explain considering Caylee was supposed to have been kidnapped).

[Chillin]

Originally posted by GrannyB


If they do why no murder charges yet? [/*]They need more evidence is my guess.

[True2Blues]

Originally posted by barskin&co.

It would be so difficult to find Caylee's skeletal remains...:( [/*]

Yes. Hard enough tramping through the weeds and bushes, now all of this rain is making the weeds grow denser and taller. On top of that there's standing water in areas that were dry when Caylee went missing. It's a mess.

[concernedmom]

Originally posted by True2Blues


Yes. Hard enough tramping through the weeds and bushes, now all of this rain is making the weeds grow denser and taller. On top of that there's standing water in areas that were dry when Caylee went missing. It's a mess. [/*]

They might be able to spot clothes tho if above ground.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


Do you understand how much "evidence" is collected that never really becomes true evidence, connected with a crime?

It's a gross misstatement that just because they've collected the gas cans that it is to be automatically inferred that they're in any way connected to Caylee's disappearance. [/*]

This is an excellent point. I've been thinking about that myself recently. It needs to be repeated and digested. Just because something is taken as evidence, that does not mean it is part of the crime at all.

[Chillin]

If she buried Caylee I doubt they will find her..after all this time there would be no visable grave. Grass and weeds would have grown to cover it.

[Carol25]

Originally posted by Spring
Here is the radar map for Orlando. I don't see a drop of rain. Wonder what environmental conditions they are talking about.


http://www.weather.com/weather/map/interactive/USFL0372?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared [/*]
Now that I listened to Tim on the video, I think he was talking about the 4 wheelers going through the puddles and shallow waters where you couldn't see anything and possibly pushing bones further into the mud.

[carolinablue]

Originally posted by the breeze



I am right there with ya:D [/*]


Me too. I can't see GA doing anything but the humane thing to do and call LE and report an accident. Caley was probably the only unconditional love he had in a long time. Cayley only loved him as "PaPa or Grandpa or any other name a 3 year old calls her Grandpa, and wanted nothing from him, but his love in return. I think Grandma found out between that second and third 911 call.

Thank God for such caring poster's on this board. I wish I could have searched, but had to fight Gustave. To our IS Board members who could, I salute you.
:patriot: :rose:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by AJandTam


Really fast huh? Sheesh. I'm a page behind right now. I meant to say hi to Savannah earlier too.

That was strange, I guess she didnt' know she was in front of it?? [/*]

I'm behind too. I spent the afternoon lounging in my pool...so heavenly.....instead of in front of the computer for a change. Loved it! But....I'm baaaaaaaaack! :cool:

[GrannyB]

Originally posted by jennyanydots
I agree, and it's feesible because of her size and the time this family had to dispose of her remains, after they were found rotting in that car. Well, that's my 2c anyways, I'm sure that LE is on to them all lets see what the next chapter writes, this story writes itself. Caylee will be the final author I'm sure of that. She is the only one in charge here. Tim knows that; so does LE. No matter how hard GA and CA and Casey try to re write this script for the public, I think it's already written. No ones' buying it either.
:shrug: [/*]


Is anyone familiar with where Cindy works. Are there other Dr.'s offices in the building. How is medical and/or hazardous medical waste disposed of?

[Chillin]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


This is an excellent point. I've been thinking about that myself recently. It needs to be repeated and digested. Just because something is taken as evidence, that does not mean it is part of the crime at all. [/*]

I'm sure everyone posting here is smart enuff to know this. I think some feel the gas cans are involved because of the theory they believe not because they feel everything collected is evidence.

[Velouria]

Originally posted by concernedmom


She gave her to someone who loved her too.

The person Im thinking of I dont see burning the body, pitching in a dumpster or destroying it in any way . [/*]

Would this by any chance be someone we haven't seen much of lately?

If it's who I'm thinking of, I have come to agree with you. And I think someone close to them knows what really happened, and tipped off LE because the trusted individual might be a danger to themselves.

IMO, of course.

[nc1948]

Originally posted by nana6
[QUOTE]Originally posted by summer4meplz


oh, never mind lol.... in the grand scheme of things, it seems very petty....but i was going to post a poll on that horrible puke emoticon...it might just be me...but honestly, i scroll real fast when i see that little blue face before it heaves...it just grosses me out so bad....i think keeping the blue face would be great...but deleting the puke would be great too...

anyway, i tried to make a poll and it just wasn't going there for me, so it's petty, and i will just continue to scroll by real fast...i love all the other little pictures....the embarrassed face could be a whole lot redder in the cheeks...imo.. it didn't do me justice the day i said rick is cindy's sister...:D [/*][/Q OMG i hate that puke thing too!!! I go by really fast when I see it coming. Let's get rid of it. What do ya'll think or should I just grow up a little and move on? o [/*]

I hate it too. It is gross and some use it on every post. I scroll past real fast.

[purplepoints]

Originally posted by mojito



Not to be disrespectful of your post, but we've discussed Casey's education previously. She didn't complete her credits, and many people that are very intelligent didn't do well academically. Just a thought. :seeya: [/*]


ITA with you, I was just stating that as a possibility. Yeah, just cause she didn't complete school, doesn't make her not intelligent. I really think it was just the word that came to mind while she was speaking the sentence, but..

her mind choosing the word "blame" instead of "accuse" might have been a subconscious thing, ie she knows she did something and her mind subconsciously chose that word. Hope I am making sense.

[Snewpy]

Evening everyone - going to read and play catchup ... seems I'm always trying to catch up.. anything urgent I need to know ?

TIA...

Prayers for Caylee and for those who DO truly want her to come home... :rose:

[concernedmom]

Originally posted by Velouria


Would this by any chance be someone we haven't seen much of lately?

If it's who I'm thinking of, I have come to agree with you. And I think someone close to them knows what really happened, and tipped off LE because the trusted individual might be a danger to themselves.

IMO, of course. [/*]

yes yes and yes.

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I'm behind too. I spent the afternoon lounging in my pool...so heavenly.....instead of in front of the computer for a change. Loved it! But....I'm baaaaaaaaack! :cool: [/*]

Hey Savannah..

Sounds awesome. Jealous.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by crimeq


MO is that Cindy is a borderline personality and the internal environment of that household was adversely affected by that. Casey is borderline too, IMO, and it would have developed within her mother's framework. There is some genetic contribution to the possibility of borderline personality, but it generally erupts in the teen years and isn't full-fledged until early adulthood. It is a developmental mental illness. [/*]

I agree. Something like post-traumatic stress syndrome?

Cindy's constant threats of "full custody" didn't help the already pre-existing condition of Casey's behavioral problems. Casey's suspected seizure(s) might also be the result of any pre-existing disorder.

By those close to the source, Cindy and Casey have been at "war" with each other; both seem to be blaming each other as to what happened to Caylee and what caused her demise. IMO.

[Chillin]

Originally posted by nc1948


I hate it too. It is gross and some use it on every post. I scroll past real fast. [/*]

I believe in your profile you have an option to turn off smilies..not sure. I cant see complaining about something you know many use. Its just a smiley..not like its real puke.

[deep*fear]

Originally posted by HeddaLettuce


If you have ever personally experienced hurricane weather, you would know that it comes hard and fast, tornadoes, heavy rain etc. I am sure Mr. Miller is looking out not only for the preservation of what may be left of evidence (ie little Caylee) in addition to the safety of the people that have traveled great distances to search for her. :) One small shot of the skies does not show the potential for harm as say, a radar shot from the weather department. [/*]

Tropical storm force winds are only expected to go as far north as Miami IF that. Orlando is about a 5 hours drive north of there. They won't be getting the 'hurricane' weather.

[MyrDawn]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I'm behind too. I spent the afternoon lounging in my pool...so heavenly.....instead of in front of the computer for a change. Loved it! But....I'm baaaaaaaaack! :cool: [/*]

You go girl! I took most of the afternoon "off", too. As I feared, nothing much happened other than the search being called off. I was SO hoping Caylee would have been found, dead or alive.

:seeya:

[mojito]

Something I just wanted to throw out there to my fellow sleuths. Does anyone have any theory about the flurry of calls on the 16th and why Casey couldn't get through to GA or CA? Do you think after the accident, incident, whatever, she was trying to call them to get them to help her dispose of the body and they purposefully didn't take her calls in order to distance themselves from it (the crime?) Does seem rather odd that she couldn't get either of them, with both of them knowing that they needed to be able to be reached in case something happened.

Just don't know. I so wish I could get the pieces to fit. It would be wonderful if we could just find some nugget that would make it all make sense.

[nutterbutter]

Originally posted by 0000dori


I think they are involved in the cover up. [/*]
I agree.

[Chevalier]

Why's the cam aimed at the neighbor to the right? :shrug:

[Chillin]

Originally posted by deep*fear


Tropical storm force winds are only expected to go as far north as Miami IF that. Orlando is about a 5 hours drive north of there. They won't be getting the 'hurricane' weather. [/*]

Key word is expected. Hurricanes have a mind of their own.

[Carol25]

Originally posted by Snewpy
Evening everyone - going to read and play catchup ... seems I'm always trying to catch up.. anything urgent I need to know ?

TIA...

Prayers for Caylee and for those who DO truly want her to come home... :rose: [/*]
Nothing new except the search for Caylee has been temporarily called off due to environmental concerns.

[greylover]

Originally posted by GrannyB


If they do why no murder charges yet? [/*]


I think for 2 reasons. First, once they file murder or whatever the charge, the time starts for them to PROVIDE THEIR EVIDENCE TO THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY. (not shouting, just making a strong point because I think it is important). Why do that when they are not ready? Casey isn't going anywhere.

And because they don't have to hurry at this point - they have time to collect their evidence, continue investigating, wait for results to come in, so it allows them the luxury of taking their time. We think they are moving slowly because we are impatient, but I believe taking their time improves their case.

jmo and imo

[True2Blues]

Originally posted by concernedmom


They might be able to spot clothes tho if above ground. [/*]

Maybe, if the weeds haven't grown over them. I wouldn't be surprised if her clothes were taken off of her.

I'm not sure how big these areas of standing water are, but if they're several feet, I think they don't want to take the chance of trampling something important they can't see by wading, driving or riding through them.

I can see their point. I doubt these are clear pools, probably muddy. Better to wait until they can take a careful look at the ground underneath.

It's got to be incredibly frustrating to have to wait.

[Spring]

Originally posted by M.Gundy48
When I watched 20/20 the other night, I was struck by the fact that family members said that while Casey was pregnant she denied- up until her very visible 7th month- that she was pregnant. The family was in disbelief that Cindy supported that lie also, despite the fact that Casey lived in her home and she HAD TO HAVE KNOWN that her daughter was, in fact, obviously pregnant. :shrug:

What kind of family is this? What kind of mother is Cindy? She is perpetuating this type of behavior when she continually condones and covers-up for Casey, sucks up to her in order to maintain contact, and bails her out of jail.

IMO, Cindy has come to the realization that Caylee is dead and she has decided to support Casey and her ridiculous lies, rather than lose her too. But....Cindy knows that Casey, and only Casey, is reponsible for the fact that she will never see her granddaughter alive again. And...I believe that Cindy herself is partially responsible for fostering Casey's belief that she can lie, obfuscate, steal, etc. and get away with it. From what I can tell, Casey has never been held to account for anything, by anyone.

Perhaps if Cindy and George had not let Casey get away with her lies in the past, Casey would not have thought that she could make up the biggest whopper of her life, and that everyone would believe her.

I believe that Casey thought she was invincible and that everyone was as clueless and easy to fool as her parents. I believe that her life experiences, so far, have proven that she CAN get away with just about anything. For some incomprehensible reason, her immediate family has supported her and continues to support her, even in the face of what I consider to be overwhelming evidence that she is reponsible for her daughters disappearance and probable death. No wonder the camera catches her smirking each time she is released from jail.

Unless Casey is abandoned by her family, she will continue to stonewall and Caylee will most likely never be found. With all the time that has passed, along with the absence of any cooperation on her part with LE, it is evident to me that this is nothing but a game to her and she undoubtedly enjoys the attention.

I DON'T EVER WANT TO SEE CINDY'S FACE ON TELEVISION AGAIN, harping at anyone to bring her granddaughter home!

If she truly wants her granddaughter home, then she should FORCE her daughter to give her a TRUTHFUL answer for once in her life!

Until such time, it is my opinion that Cindy does not want her granddaughter returned. Perhaps the reason is because she knows, in her mind if not her heart, that it will be a dead body. [/*]


Great post! This is precisely why I hold the GP's partially responsible for Caylees death.

[Boxer]

Originally posted by carolinablue



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Thank God for such caring poster's on this board. I wish I could have searched, but had to fight Gustave. To our IS Board members who could, I salute you.
:patriot: :rose: [/*]

:rose: For our girls who went on the search and gave their time, energy and hearts. Also for the ones who helped them. and to the husband of one who drove ten hours so she could catch her ride there. And for the posters who miss Caylee every day and want her found. We are all really one group...

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by True2Blues


Yes. Hard enough tramping through the weeds and bushes, now all of this rain is making the weeds grow denser and taller. On top of that there's standing water in areas that were dry when Caylee went missing. It's a mess. [/*]

If she was buried in a shallow make shift grave with all the rain they have gotten the water may have washed the top soil away above her little body. Once the water subsides then they could look for a sunk in area but also the body could rise out of the makeshift grave due to the water and move to another location a distance away.

It is so extremely hard to find a body much less a body of a little child that has been missing this long and may be out there in the elements they have been experiencing lately. It literally is like looking for a needle in a hay stack.

imoo

[Chillin]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


Apparently some do not understand that "evidence" collected does not at all mean it really is evidence submissive to the crime.

quote:Originally posted by jennyanydots
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Those gasonline cans are part of this crime, they confiscated them. [/*]

Well make sure you set her straight!:rolleyes:

[Carol25]

Originally posted by mojito
Something I just wanted to throw out there to my fellow sleuths. Does anyone have any theory about the flurry of calls on the 16th and why Casey couldn't get through to GA or CA? Do you think after the accident, incident, whatever, she was trying to call them to get them to help her dispose of the body and they purposefully didn't take her calls in order to distance themselves from it (the crime?) Does seem rather odd that she couldn't get either of them, with both of them knowing that they needed to be able to be reached in case something happened.

Just don't know. I so wish I could get the pieces to fit. It would be wonderful if we could just find some nugget that would make it all make sense. [/*]
Many of us thought that G and C were so angry with her from the fight on the 15th, they didn't want to talk to her.

[nutterbutter]

Originally posted by Dunnie
This should be interesting. Can't wait to see the responses. [/*]
I think it was poppa and ci ci.moo

[Chillin]

Originally posted by Boxer


:rose: For our girls who went on the search and gave their time, energy and hearts. Also for the ones who helped them. and to the husband of one who drove ten hours so she could catch her ride there. And for the posters who miss Caylee every day and want her found. We are all really one group... [/*]:rose:

[firefly75]

Originally posted by Boxer


:rose: For our girls who went on the search and gave their time, energy and hearts. Also for the ones who helped them. and to the husband of one who drove ten hours so she could catch her ride there. And for the posters who miss Caylee every day and want her found. We are all really one group... [/*]
Post of the day!

[Chillin]

Originally posted by firefly75

Post of the day! [/*]ITA...goes to show there is still alot of good people in this world.

[mojito]

Originally posted by Carol25

Many of us thought that G and C were so angry with her from the fight on the 15th, they didn't want to talk to her. [/*]


I think that is a possibility, but it still strikes me as odd that it was apparently overkill (no pun intended) in the # of calls she made, you know what I'm saying? Particularly when it was back & forth between the 2. I dunno.

[Motomom]

Originally posted by MyrDawn


You go girl! I took most of the afternoon "off", too. As I feared, nothing much happened other than the search being called off. I was SO hoping Caylee would have been found, dead or alive.

:seeya: [/*]

I missed stuff, why was the search called off today?

[greylover]

Originally posted by mojito
Something I just wanted to throw out there to my fellow sleuths. Does anyone have any theory about the flurry of calls on the 16th and why Casey couldn't get through to GA or CA? Do you think after the accident, incident, whatever, she was trying to call them to get them to help her dispose of the body and they purposefully didn't take her calls in order to distance themselves from it (the crime?) Does seem rather odd that she couldn't get either of them, with both of them knowing that they needed to be able to be reached in case something happened.

Just don't know. I so wish I could get the pieces to fit. It would be wonderful if we could just find some nugget that would make it all make sense. [/*]


I obviously don't know the answer to this, but perhaps(?) it was because Casey presented her parents with the scenario that she was going out on her own with her daughter and taking responsibility for raising her, clothing her and feeding her. Perhaps the parents ignored her calls because they were trying to wean her off of their help.

I believe that CA wanted Casey to grow up and take on her responsibility as a mother, and I believe that Casey wanted freedom from her parents and told them she was going out on her own and being responsible as a mother, even though as we now know, she had no job, no $$ coming in. Therefore, the reason for her stealing money from every available source.

I've also wondered about this, and this was a possible scenario my mind came up with.

jmo and imo

[firefly75]

Originally posted by Chillin
ITA...goes to show there is still alot of good people in this world. [/*]
So true! Caylee has touched so many lives around the world....Prayers that she will soon have a peaceful resting place:rose:

[cuddlyrunner]

Originally posted by Boxer


:rose: For our girls who went on the search and gave their time, energy and hearts. Also for the ones who helped them. and to the husband of one who drove ten hours so she could catch her ride there. And for the posters who miss Caylee every day and want her found. We are all really one group... [/*]


i truly believe that our online communities are just as important as our real life friends sometimes xx

[CinTN]

OK I have not been on most the day ,, Its Race Day in my house,,

But I am seeing that we are back at the dumpster.. AGAIN ....
I,, IMOO,, this yes the dumpster may have been for certain evidence.. BUT,, I think the key to the whole thing is the GP's BACK YARD!!








Oh BTW Jimmie Johnson won ,, JR GOT 4TH ,, whoo hooo

Kyle Busch ,, was,sssss,,,, way in the back cause KARMA kicked him in the tushie

[Motomom]

Originally posted by house


http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=00URZSxCayleeSearchSunday_09 0720080850&cat=Local&title=Caylee%20Search :( [/*]

thank you..going to :read: it now.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Chillin
They need more evidence is my guess. [/*]

It makes life much simpler for the DA and LE if they can find Caylee's body. They waited 4 months before charging Scott Peterson. When Laci and Conner were found they arrested him but all those months before then they diligently continued to build their case even though they knew who their suspect was going to turn out to be.

I think they will wait until the time is right. When they think they have ample overwhelming circumstantial evidence even without the body or when they find her body.

They will try her for Caylee's death though. They have no reason to rush. They have only one bite at the apple. They want to get it right, when they do.

imoo

[Velouria]

Originally posted by Motomom


I missed stuff, why was the search called off today? [/*]

Too much standing water in some areas, Motomom. Tim didn't want to run the risk of someone accidentally trampling her remains below the muddy surface. :(

[mojito]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


This makes no sense.

How would George & Cindy know to intentionally avoid her calls - oh wait, so you think that Casey called and told them that she'd just killed Caylee, and then they just kicked back afterwards and said "ok, but we don't wanna know where you put her", so after that, they just ignored Casey's calls for what, - hints of where to put Caylee?

Wow. [/*]

:shrug: I just don't know. I guess I'm just trying to make some sense out of it. I don't get the whole family.

[Cheri_G]

Originally posted by Motomom


I missed stuff, why was the search called off today? [/*]

They've ruled out all the areas of interest they could. There are certain spots that due to mud and water they have not been able to rule out. Tim said he was concerned they might accidently trample Caylee's remains because they can't see them, so he is temporarily suspending the search until these areas dry up and can be searched properly.

This is a link to the PC Tim did earlier.

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=00URZSxCayleeSearchSunday_09 0720080850&cat=Local&title=Caylee%20Search

[Chillin]

Originally posted by firefly75

So true! Caylee has touched so many lives around the world....Prayers that she will soon have a peaceful resting place:rose: [/*]I second this :rose:

[Boxer]

Originally posted by house


Beautifully said, Boxer. Obviously, deeply felt.

:rose: :rose: [/*]

deeper than you know, but I'll call later and tell you just how deep:cool:

I've been watching all the shows I missed while at work and smoking and crying. Gotta say that Caylee deserves better than she's getting from her parent.

[mojito]

Originally posted by dixie77

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I have been wondering the same thing. LE didnt release info as to the calls that was made to Casey'ss phone....only the calls that she made. Its hard for me to believe that either George or Cindy didnt call her back. JMO [/*]


TY. I guess I sounded sorta dumb on this one...seems as overprotective, controlling as the Anthonys are that them not taking a phone call is just down right strange.

[Snewpy]

Quick question.. and ty for updates... When CA and GA were confronted with the fact that the last time they saw Caylee was NOT the 9th and was in fact at least the 15th because they got the photos of Caylee with the great grandfather for Father's Day - have the Anthony's et al ever made any statements in regards to that? Like how they could NOT have remembered FATHER'S DAY for gosh sakes? I remember all the Father's Days I've spent with my Dad for years, and sure as heck remember one that was less than a month ago.

Another thing that bugs me.. just throwing it out there.. has there ever been a statement as to where Casey was really going every day since she obviously wasn't going to work?

And if Casey never wanted Caylee in the first place, why would Cindy's threats of taking full custody bother her? Wouldn't that be perfect for her? Solve all her problems? Unless, and this is MO, Caylee was just a pawn in a power play for Casey to torment her parents.

This whole thing mystifies me. I keep thinking every day they are going to find this precious angel, and that they're finally going to put that girl behind bars forever and there will FINALLY be justce and peace for Caylee.

Prayers for Caylee

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by C_E
When Casey was FORCED by her Mother to speak to the 911 operator, and the operator asked her WHY she waited 31 days, Casey replied that she had done her own investigation, and ya I know it was stupid etc...

I think Casey not only did her own investigation but that she did she own burial/funeral.

I am also leaning towards Cindy and George having something to do with a cover up with the evidence and manipulation of dates etc etc.

ie: chloroform could have been used to clean the trunk of its decomposition. [/*]

Chloroforms a cleaner? If it is, I didn't know that.

[martha]

Originally posted by PeteyRawks


If you don't know how to fav place it, you can also e-mail it to yourself. I do that when my fav places/bookmarks get full or to disorganized. [/*]That is a good idea boy my brain don;t work half the time. thanks.:rose:

[petlover]

I asked earlier and there was so much discussion about the yard gnomes last night and their antics that either I missed the answer or it was over looked. If i missed the answer I do apologize for asking again.

The blue backpack that was found, did they dismiss that as being the backpack that belonged to Caylee or have we heard anything else about that? Also, anything been said about her carseat? Does Zanny have that too? After all i'm sure she is a safe Nanny ole Zanny. Must not travel to the beach and disneyworld without our carseat!

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Carol25

Many of us thought that G and C were so angry with her from the fight on the 15th, they didn't want to talk to her. [/*]

There was no confirmed proof that there was a fight on the 15th.

[bluwaters]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


It makes life much simpler for the DA and LE if they can find Caylee's body. They waited 4 months before charging Scott Peterson. When Laci and Conner were found they arrested him but all those months before then they diligently continued to build their case even though they knew who their suspect was going to turn out to be.

I think they will wait until the time is right. When they think they have ample overwhelming circumstantial evidence even without the body or when they find her body.

They will try her for Caylee's death though. They have no reason to rush. They have only one bite at the apple. They want to get it right, when they do.

imoo [/*]

Agreed! We are impatient, but LE has plenty of time. Casey is looking at years in prison on her current charges. She can be charged for murder while serving time.
Justice may be slow, but I have hope that justice will be done.

:rose: <--- for Caylee

[MyrDawn]

Originally posted by Motomom


I missed stuff, why was the search called off today? [/*]

Tim Miller said there was a lot of standing water in areas they wanted to search. He said they might have to wait for the water to go down to do the job properly.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/7/security_cameras_installed_at_anthony_home.html

I wonder how long that will take, and if there aren't any areas that need to be searched that don't have standing water.

JMO

[Ckrdpast]

Originally posted by Boxer


deeper than you know, but I'll call later and tell you just how deep:cool:

I've been watching all the shows I missed while at work and smoking and crying. Gotta say that Caylee deserves better than she's getting from her parent. [/*]


:rose:

[purplepoints]

Originally posted by mojito



I think that is a possibility, but it still strikes me as odd that it was apparently overkill (no pun intended) in the # of calls she made, you know what I'm saying? Particularly when it was back & forth between the 2. I dunno. [/*]

I go back and forth on this one.

The reason I am hooked on this case is my grandchildren's mother is very similar to Casey. And she will call my cell phone, call my house, call my husband's cell phone, call my cell phone, call the house, over and over again, one after the other, when she is trying to reach us like she thinks "how dare you not answer my call" or "I know you are just not answering my call so I will bug you until you do"

But, then sometimes I do think something happened to Caylee and Casey was in a panic and didn't know what to do so she was desperately trying to get a hold of her parents.

JMO

[Chevalier]

Originally posted by deep*fear


Tropical storm force winds are only expected to go as far north as Miami IF that. Orlando is about a 5 hours drive north of there. They won't be getting the 'hurricane' weather. [/*]Exactly. They are calling things off temporarily due to water already on the ground, not because Ike is going to turn on a dime and head up to Orlando. Orlando isn't anywhere near the cone. One does not have to live in hurricane country to know that. :)

[Chillin]

Originally posted by AJandTam


Chloroforms a cleaner? If it is, I didn't know that. [/*]

It cleans away unwanted children it would seem if thats what it was used for in this case. Sad.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by bluwaters


Agreed! We are impatient, but LE has plenty of time. Casey is looking at years in prison on her current charges. She can be charged for murder while serving time.
Justice may be slow, but I have hope that justice will be done.

:rose: <--- for Caylee [/*]

ITA. They need to go forward with the prosecution and get her into prison. And dig up the backyard, imvho.

[dtviewer]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


There was no confirmed proof that there was a fight on the 15th. [/*]

Correct. We dont know if there is or isnt yet.
LE hasnt released anything that has to do with a murder investigation yet.
We will know when those statements/evidence are released.

[True2Blues]

Originally posted by mojito


:shrug: I just don't know. I guess I'm just trying to make some sense out of it. I don't get the whole family. [/*]


There's a very strange family dynamic there I think. It's hard for people with fairly normal families to understand how these people acted and interacted.

Both sides (G & C and Lee, and Casey) have said that they had a lot of arguments and times when they didn't want to speak to one another, especially Casey and Cindy.

[Chillin]

Originally posted by Chevalier
Exactly. They are calling things off temporarily due to water already on the ground, not because Ike is going to turn on a dime and head up to Orlando. Orlando isn't anywhere near the cone. One does not have to live in Hurricane country to know that. :) [/*]Hurricanes have been known not to follow the cone.

[Motomom]

Oh this just stinks!! Hopefully once it dries up, Tim comes back, Caylee gets found. Makes me sick that Casey just sits there, knowing where that little girl is.. all to save her own hide!! I bet Cindy is happy Tim is calling it all for now..:cuss:

[Chillin]

Originally posted by ratched
Camera alert! [/*]:lol:

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by Chillin


It cleans away unwanted children it would seem if thats what it was used for in this case. Sad. [/*]

did I misunderstand the original poster. I thought she meant that they cleaned the trunk w/Chloroform??

[Chillin]

Originally posted by AJandTam


did I misunderstand the original poster. I thought she meant that they cleaned the trunk w/Chloroform?? [/*]

It can be used as a cleaner.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by MyrDawn


Tim Miller said there was a lot of standing water in areas they wanted to search. He said they might have to wait for the water to go down to do the job properly.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/7/security_cameras_installed_at_anthony_home.html

I wonder how long that will take, and if there aren't any areas that need to be searched that don't have standing water.

JMO [/*]

Didn't Orlando get a lot of water from t-storm Faye? I wonder if the water is still there from that storm. It's a shame Tim's Team didn't find her but look how many trips he's made to Aruba looking for Natalee. The guy never gives up.

[Chillin]

Oops AJnTam I dont believe its known yet what the chloroform was used for. I've read nothing stating the trunk was cleaned with it.

[barskin&co.]

Originally posted by ratched
Camera alert! [/*]

I'm on
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html
which is giving me the 'X'

[AlohaRainbow]

Originally posted by ratched


You missed my nursing school. We learned how to poison without leaving traces, shoot/stab people effectively, dismember bodies, and embalm.
:biggrin: [/*]
LOL! mine too :cool: how did you like the ever popular mandatory "kidnapping and/or cleaning effectively: chloroform 101 & 201"?

[Chevalier]

Originally posted by the breeze



Whos black pick up is in the drive now:shrug: [/*]I dunno, but it looks like protersters are back too.

[Chillin]

Originally posted by barskin&amp;co.


I'm on
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html
which is giving me the 'X' [/*]

That red x really upsets me in a bad way.

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by Chillin


It can be used as a cleaner. [/*]

Oh ok, I thought it was used to knock ya out so news of it being a cleaner is news to me. What cleaning affects does it have? I'm chloroform stupid.

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by C_E



I agree.

Why did neither of them call her back.

Apparently Casey was MISSING for a month so why would her parents not return her calls... [/*]

Well, Cindy says they were in constant contact but doesn't wish to release her phone records, from what I can recall.

IMO, they may have had some limit contact in the first days of Casey taking off. Could have had an argument. Not spoke since. Then, the flurry of calls happen. Both parents are still to pissed off to deal with her.

[MyrDawn]

Gnomes are getting ready to start their protest. I wonder they will be playing to the web cam again tonight, instead of to the Anthony's house.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Didn't Orlando get a lot of water from t-storm Faye? I wonder if the water is still there from that storm. It's a shame Tim's Team didn't find her but look how many trips he's made to Aruba looking for Natalee. The guy never gives up. [/*]

You are correct. (re Faye)

[girlspell]

I though chloroform was used in "rave" parties.

I posted this earlier. Was any chloroform fund in Caylee's hair?

[barskin&co.]

Ah, now I see. People with placards are gathering 'round.

[KimTheGreat]

That big white truck is annoying me. Move out of the way!:lol:

[Chillin]

Originally posted by AJandTam


Oh ok, I thought it was used to knock ya out so news of it being a cleaner is news to me. What cleaning affects does it have? I'm chloroform stupid. [/*]

I believe I read it can be used to extract DNA, clean blood, etc..and yes it can knock someone out and kill.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Chillin


It can be used as a cleaner. [/*]

I have never seen chloroform in the stores I don't think. I knew it was used long ago during surgeries but was discontinued in the 70s I think.

Why would someone buy chloroform to clean when so many other products are available. Even full strength bleach.

imo

[barskin&co.]

Originally posted by girlspell
I though chloroform was used in "rave" parties.

I posted this earlier. Was any chloroform fund in Caylee's hair? [/*]

There have been no releases of any such tests.

[MyrDawn]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Didn't Orlando get a lot of water from t-storm Faye? I wonder if the water is still there from that storm. It's a shame Tim's Team didn't find her but look how many trips he's made to Aruba looking for Natalee. The guy never gives up. [/*]

That's true, he doesn't give up! Hopefully when he comes back, plenty of searchers will turn out again. I sure wish I could go!

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Motomom
Oh this just stinks!! Hopefully once it dries up, Tim comes back, Caylee gets found. Makes me sick that Casey just sits there, knowing where that little girl is.. all to save her own hide!! I bet Cindy is happy Tim is calling it all for now..:cuss: [/*]

What I don't understand...amongst many things...is the refusal to provide something with Caylee's scent to help the search. A cadaver dog wouldn't need that but a search dog seeking an alive Caylee would. Isn't a search for an alive Caylee what Cindy said she wanted? Her credibility is in tatters, imvho.

[True2Blues]

Originally posted by Chillin
Hurricanes have been known not to follow the cone. [/*]

I don't live in a hurricane area, so I don't know, but will Orlando get more rain as a result of the new one?

With water already standing and uneven terrain to navigate, bad weather would just complicate things, I'd think, even if it isn't sheer winds..

[CinTN]

Originally posted by Snewpy
Quick question.. and ty for updates... When CA and GA were confronted with the fact that the last time they saw Caylee was NOT the 9th and was in fact at least the 15th because they got the photos of Caylee with the great grandfather for Father's Day - have the Anthony's et al ever made any statements in regards to that? Like how they could NOT have remembered FATHER'S DAY for gosh sakes? I remember all the Father's Days I've spent with my Dad for years, and sure as heck remember one that was less than a month ago.

Another thing that bugs me.. just throwing it out there.. has there ever been a statement as to where Casey was really going every day since she obviously wasn't going to work?

And if Casey never wanted Caylee in the first place, why would Cindy's threats of taking full custody bother her? Wouldn't that be perfect for her? Solve all her problems? Unless, and this is MO, Caylee was just a pawn in a power play for Casey to torment her parents.

This whole thing mystifies me. I keep thinking every day they are going to find this precious angel, and that they're finally going to put that girl behind bars forever and there will FINALLY be justce and peace for Caylee.

Prayers for Caylee [/*]


OK.. what gets me is the fact she "corrected" herself on the stand as to the date,, something ( IMO) was a last min effort to get the story straight...

It seems to me that it was soooo after the fact, after her written statement, that she knew that now is the best time to recant your story and get things straight. along with her "myspace blog and Caseys myspace entry all about the time she would have went missing..
and Cindys "vacation" was over on or about the 8th..

oh and the "LANDSCAPING IN THE BACK YARD" all happened right about the time she went supposedly missing...

I still say .. "DIG UP THE BACK YARD!!"

[dtviewer]

Originally posted by Celiarun


What I don't understand...amongst many things...is the refusal to provide something with Caylee's scent to help the search. A cadaver dog wouldn't need that but a search dog seeking an alive Caylee would. Isn't a search for an alive Caylee what Cindy said she wanted? Her credibility is in tatters, imvho. [/*]

Hmmm imagine that. Once again Cindy wants nothing to do with helping to find a LIVE Caylee.

Disgusting..........

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by AlohaRainbow

if you click the link:
http://www.searchdogs.org/articles/Decomp%20Odor%20Analysis%20Database.pdf
that is the article "Decomposiitonal Odor Analysis Database"
in the upper right hand corner it also says:
J Forensic Sci, July 2004, Vol. 49, No. 4
Paper ID JFS2003434
Available online at: www.astm.org

i posted a few other links to this same type of info on the links thread [/*]


Huh
Well, maybe the J of FS posts it's older articles online?
I thought this was great because I looked and looked for this article at my library (I think this is part one of the research they just published part two of in the JFS) and they didn't have it. Guess I should have known that would happen. This IS Indiana lol.
TY for calling my attention to it.
:seeya:

[Chillin]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I have never seen chloroform in the stores I don't think. I knew it was used long ago during surgeries but was discontinued in the 70s I think.

Why would someone buy chloroform to clean when so many other products are available. Even full strength bleach.

imo [/*]No clue. I dont think it was bought for cleaning myself.

[Boxer]

Originally posted by cuddlyrunner



i truly believe that our online communities are just as important as our real life friends sometimes xx [/*]

for me they are entangled. hopelessly and blessedly entangled. the people I 'meet' on the different boards (I belong to 3) are thought of and worried over and loved and missed just the same as anyone in my offline world.

sometimes that gets me into trouble:biggrin: just ask house

this board and Trenton Duckett though, those take it out of you. I swore I'd never post on another kid case after Trenton. too heartbreaking. but day after day of seeing Caylee on tv reached out and forcibly dragged me in here.

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by Chillin


I believe I read it can be used to extract DNA, clean blood, etc..and yes it can knock someone out and kill. [/*]

Thank goodness you are here. I need to do some chloroform research. I can't imagine cleaning up a murder scene w/a chemical that's most notorious for knocking you out. Although, when I have to clean. I wish someone would knock me out.

[barskin&co.]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I have never seen chloroform in the stores I don't think. I knew it was used long ago during surgeries but was discontinued in the 70s I think.

Why would someone buy chloroform to clean when so many other products are available. Even full strength bleach.

imo [/*]

Ah, then you haven't been shopping at IllegalToxicChemicalsRUs.
Chloroform has been banned for sale to individuals since the mid-seventies, but that doesn't stop today's Internet sales. I don't think anyone would go through such trouble or spend so much money to use it for "cleaning."

[CinTN]

Originally posted by C_E



I agree.

Why did neither of them call her back.

Apparently Casey was MISSING for a month so why would her parents not return her calls... [/*]


!!! EXACTLY !!!!

[Chillin]

Originally posted by dixie77

-------------

Clean out your cookies. [/*]
I do..ty.

[Chevalier]

Originally posted by barskin&amp;co.


I'm on
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html
which is giving me the 'X' [/*]

Click the "go" button or the little --> button near your address bar on your cam page. A poster pointed out that it always brings the pic back for her. I find it does for me as well.

[mosey2]

Originally posted by mojito
Something I just wanted to throw out there to my fellow sleuths. Does anyone have any theory about the flurry of calls on the 16th and why Casey couldn't get through to GA or CA? Do you think after the accident, incident, whatever, she was trying to call them to get them to help her dispose of the body and they purposefully didn't take her calls in order to distance themselves from it (the crime?) Does seem rather odd that she couldn't get either of them, with both of them knowing that they needed to be able to be reached in case something happened.

Just don't know. I so wish I could get the pieces to fit. It would be wonderful if we could just find some nugget that would make it all make sense. [/*]
I've thought about this too. We know the flurry of calls happened on the 16th of June, and to whom the calls were made, but we can only guess if the calls were answered.
The first flurry started at 3:03pm:

3:03 dad cell
4:10 mom work
4:11 mom cell
4:13 mom cell
4:14 mom work
4:19 Tony Lazzaro
4:21 Jesse Grund
4:24 mom cell

Notice the time difference. After Casey called her fathers cell, there is more than an hour before she places the second call to Cindy at work. George might have very well picked up the call and spoke to Casey for the better part of an hour. She doesnt call her father after the initial call. Does this tell us that she got the answer she wanted? The last call during this time frame was to Cindy, then they stopped for awhile. Did Casey get ahold of her mother at 4:24? I think this timeline of calls tells us that she may be at the house, since no calls were placed to the house, although she may have known her parents weren't there, also.

The second "flurry":
6:32 Parents' home phone
6:33 voice-mail
7:06 Parents' home
7:20 friend Amy.

2 hour gap. What was she doing? if she was at the house earlier, she was gone by 6:30, when she called home and got no answer, then immediately checked her voice-mail to see if they had called.
7:20 call to Amy I believe is to arrange a place to lay her head for the night. It must have been quite an eventful day.

:mad:

[dtviewer]

Originally posted by Chillin
No clue. I dont think it was bought for cleaning myself. [/*]

Me neither.
Just not a reasonable theory.

[True2Blues]

Originally posted by Chillin


I believe I read it can be used to extract DNA, clean blood, etc..and yes it can knock someone out and kill. [/*]

It's also become popular as a huffing drug. (Go Figure.)

[FrankieBones1]

Yes, right click on the red X and choosing 'Show Picture' works.

There was a small handful of people near the lawn and it appeared that there was someone near the front door. Looked like Cindy. Then it looked like someone put up a privacy screen.

One of the handful have a large sign but it is facing the house this time.

[barskin&co.]

Originally posted by Chevalier


Click the "go" button or the little --> button near your address bar on your cam page. A poster pointed out that it always brings the pic back for her. I find it does for me as well. [/*]

Thanks. It came back on its own, so I can now see 4 people holding signs.

[MyrDawn]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I have never seen chloroform in the stores I don't think. I knew it was used long ago during surgeries but was discontinued in the 70s I think.

Why would someone buy chloroform to clean when so many other products are available. Even full strength bleach.

imo [/*]

It's been illegal since around 1977 to sell chloroform to the general public. There are MANY safer, cheaper, and more readily available cleansers to use than chloroform, I can't imagine Casey chosing to go to the time and trouble to get a hold of some just to clean her trunk.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I have never seen chloroform in the stores I don't think. I knew it was used long ago during surgeries but was discontinued in the 70s I think.

Why would someone buy chloroform to clean when so many other products are available. Even full strength bleach.

imo [/*]

Which also begs the question why would someone buy chloroform to kill someone when so many other products (or methods) are available. :shrug:

I EXTREMELY leery of the chloroform angle.

Hiya GB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :seeya:

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by barskin&amp;co.

It would be so difficult to find Caylee's skeletal remains...:( [/*]

I can't think of anyone better to do it than Tim Miller IMO.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by MyrDawn


It's been illegal since around 1977 to sell chloroform to the general public. There are MANY safer, cheaper, and more readily available cleansers to use than chloroform, I can't imagine Casey chosing to go to the time and trouble to get a hold of some just to clean her trunk. [/*]

I can't imagine Casey chosing to go to the time and trouble to get ahold of chloroform to kill Caylee.

[concernedmom]

Originally posted by the breeze



Whos black pick up is in the drive now:shrug: [/*]


It was there yesterday. Must be caseys new babysitter when G&C go out.:shrug:

[dtviewer]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Which also begs the question why would someone buy chloroform to kill someone when so many other products (or methods) are available. :shrug:

I EXTREMELY leery of the chloroform angle.

Hiya GB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :seeya: [/*]

I think the chloroform was used more as a drug thing then a Caylee thing.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Chillin
Oops AJnTam I don't believe its known yet what the chloroform was used for. I've read nothing stating the trunk was cleaned with it. [/*]

I wonder how they detected the chloroform? When they tested the air sample from the car the final analysis it would show what all was in the air.....including any type of chemical or gases. Since the body produces gases as it decomposes and breaks down imo that is how they know that a decomposing body was in the trunk.

Do you think that is how they discovered the chloroform as well?

imoo

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by ratched
HAHA, I think someone told Mr. White Truck to move. He looked straight into the camera before he moved. [/*]

:D I think, I need one of those double screen monitors. I can't watch that site and post w/ya'll.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by eours1949


I think Casey and friends soaked marijuana in chloroform then smoked it.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom [/*]

:confused:

[Chillin]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Which also begs the question why would someone buy chloroform to kill someone when so many other products (or methods) are available. :shrug:

I EXTREMELY leery of the chloroform angle.

Hiya GB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :seeya: [/*]

I'm thinking the chloraform was used at parties and by her new friends..so she had some and used it to make Caylee sleep.

[CinTN]

Well I see we now have 4 Gnomes of Fury at the house ,,
( hope I can still call'em that ,, its lol in my book)

but SOME lastnight got a tad ticked..

Just trying to bring a smile to some faces in lew of all the crap happening...

[dtviewer]

Originally posted by forpsystudent


I can't think of anyone better to do it than Tim Miller IMO. [/*]

I can think of one person!!
Of course she hasnt offered to help.............

[FrankieBones1]

Originally posted by dixie77
Is the front door open or am i seeing things? [/*]If it is, it is only slightly opened. It appears that there is a line put up and a large blanket drapped up for privacy.

[beemeup]

Originally posted by M.Gundy48
When I watched 20/20 the other night, I was struck by the fact that family members said that while Casey was pregnant she denied- up until her very visible 7th month- that she was pregnant. The family was in disbelief that Cindy supported that lie also, despite the fact that Casey lived in her home and she HAD TO HAVE KNOWN that her daughter was, in fact, obviously pregnant. :shrug:

What kind of family is this? What kind of mother is Cindy? She is perpetuating this type of behavior when she continually condones and covers-up for Casey, sucks up to her in order to maintain contact, and bails her out of jail.

IMO, Cindy has come to the realization that Caylee is dead and she has decided to support Casey and her ridiculous lies, rather than lose her too. But....Cindy knows that Casey, and only Casey, is reponsible for the fact that she will never see her granddaughter alive again. And...I believe that Cindy herself is partially responsible for fostering Casey's belief that she can lie, obfuscate, steal, etc. and get away with it. From what I can tell, Casey has never been held to account for anything, by anyone.

Perhaps if Cindy and George had not let Casey get away with her lies in the past, Casey would not have thought that she could make up the biggest whopper of her life, and that everyone would believe her.

I believe that Casey thought she was invincible and that everyone was as clueless and easy to fool as her parents. I believe that her life experiences, so far, have proven that she CAN get away with just about anything. For some incomprehensible reason, her immediate family has supported her and continues to support her, even in the face of what I consider to be overwhelming evidence that she is reponsible for her daughters disappearance and probable death. No wonder the camera catches her smirking each time she is released from jail.

Unless Casey is abandoned by her family, she will continue to stonewall and Caylee will most likely never be found. With all the time that has passed, along with the absence of any cooperation on her part with LE, it is evident to me that this is nothing but a game to her and she undoubtedly enjoys the attention.

I DON'T EVER WANT TO SEE CINDY'S FACE ON TELEVISION AGAIN, harping at anyone to bring her granddaughter home!

If she truly wants her granddaughter home, then she should FORCE her daughter to give her a TRUTHFUL answer for once in her life!

Until such time, it is my opinion that Cindy does not want her granddaughter returned. Perhaps the reason is because she knows, in her mind if not her heart, that it will be a dead body. [/*]
Well said. That is the mind set of those that live in the real world. This has got to be the sickest case i have ever seen. I get the psychopathic mindset but man it really hit the gene pool with this family.

[Chillin]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I wonder how they detected the chloroform? When they tested the air sample from the car the final analysis it would show what all was in the air.....including any type of chemical or gases. Since the body produces gases as it decomposes and breaks down imo that is how they know that a decomposing body was in the trunk.

Do you think that is how they discovered the chloroform as well?

imoo [/*]I'm not sure but I'd guess so.

[CinTN]

Originally posted by AJandTam


:D I think, I need one of those double screen monitors. I can't watch that site and post w/ya'll. [/*]

all u have to do is open a new window

[KimTheGreat]

Originally posted by M.Gundy48
My screen just went to white again with the red X. I give up. I'm not that interested to keep fooling around with it. :confused: [/*] That happens to me a lot, but it usually keeps refreshing itself and sooner or later a picture shows up.

[kakax]

Originally posted by ratched


I saw something, somewhere, sorry no link, that said they are having the vigil tonight. Go figure.:rolleyes: [/*]


Last night during the My Fox Orlando broadcast, they said the vigil was still planned for this evening 8PM. I haven't seen it anywhere in print.

[MyrDawn]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Which also begs the question why would someone buy chloroform to kill someone when so many other products (or methods) are available. :shrug:

I EXTREMELY leery of the chloroform angle.

Hiya GB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :seeya: [/*]

If Casey used chloroform on Caylee, I think it's more likely she used it to knock her out so Casey could go partying or whatever, rather than picking it to kill her with.

JMO

[OneUp]

Originally posted by Takotna


I agree -
It would be hard for LE to know exactly what was missing since they didn't know it was there in the first place. (No body in the family is going to tell them either!MO)

This is why I think there was more to Casey deleting all the pictures. IMO - she could have deleted several pix that had a particular rug or blanket in them - then, she could have deleted many more so it didn't look like the rug/blanket pix were deleted for a purpose?

Does this make any sense - I don't think I explained it very well...:shrug:

AllMO [/*]Coming from way back again...
I agree, and I DO think there was some item in a picture that seems to be missing. As I am not in the home now, I can't go through and check items against pictures. I would imagine LE has done so and is letting Tim and the LE searchers know of anything "missing" that might be of special significance. Blanket, rug, large beach towel, big basket, toybox...etc.
I think she pretty much HAD to have been put into something. Definitely at least a trash bag, but it would be the norm for her to be wrapped in something more personal. Ever many serial killers wrapped their victims in items close at hand...ESPECIALLY if that item also held evidence like the victims blood, chemicals, or the perps. hair and whatnot.
JMO.

[Chevalier]

Originally posted by the breeze


omg did u all see the truck with the matress tied on top:lol: they must be moving out of the neighbor hood [/*]A neighbor down the street has a PODS container in the driveway.

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by barskin&amp;co.


Ah, then you haven't been shopping at IllegalToxicChemicalsRUs.
Chloroform has been banned for sale to individuals since the mid-seventies, but that doesn't stop today's Internet sales. I don't think anyone would go through such trouble or spend so much money to use it for "cleaning." [/*]

Is it known to remove odors?? Sounds strange to me too. Just trying to figure out the Chloroform angle here. TIA.

[deep*fear]

Originally posted by Chillin
Hurricanes have been known not to follow the cone. [/*]

Name one that folks didn't have 48 or more hours notice to get out of town.

I'm in the upper keys - some folks are leaving, most are not.

[FrankieBones1]

Originally posted by the breeze



We need sound can't they seem to understand this:D I wonder if there planing on haveing the prayer circle tonight outside there home:shrug: [/*]Last I heard it was planned for tonight.

[day2day]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Which also begs the question why would someone buy chloroform to kill someone when so many other products (or methods) are available. :shrug:

I EXTREMELY leery of the chloroform angle.

Hiya GB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :seeya: [/*]

Hey Savannah..
I might be leary to if she hadn't done the searches on the net?

:shrug:

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by CinTN


all u have to do is open a new window [/*]

Yes, I have it in a new window but it's down below. I only check it every so often if someone says something is going on. I don't do side by side on this monitor by downsizing cause my eyeballs are too bad. That's why I need two screens instead of one.

[MyrDawn]

Originally posted by day2day


Hey Savannah..
I might be leary to if she hadn't done the searches on the net?

:shrug: [/*]

Me too. The web searches coupled with the test showing signs of it in the Pontiac trunk have me very suspicous.

[Cheri_G]

Originally posted by ratched


I saw something, somewhere, sorry no link, that said they are having the vigil tonight. Go figure.:rolleyes: [/*]

They've been holding vigils every Sunday night haven't they?

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by AJandTam


:D I think, I need one of those double screen monitors. I can't watch that site and post w/ya'll. [/*]

Just have two tabs open, Tam. OR, two IE's.

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by ratched


It slows me down considerably but if I installed a bank of monitors, I think my DH's eyerolling would get chronic. ;) [/*]

I know what you mean. My hubs doesn't understand or like me on here all that much, but his VIDEO game playing is ok. Grrrrr male peeps.

[True2Blues]

Originally posted by ratched


I saw something, somewhere, sorry no link, that said they are having the vigil tonight. Go figure.:rolleyes: [/*]

Cindy cannot stay out of sight. It's probably taking all of her energy to keep from talking.

[MyrDawn]

Originally posted by Barefooted
last time i was here it was page 11- excuse me but are those people just coming up to the house, standing there and staring at it??? Because thats really lame IMO. [/*]

They're holding home made signs. I can't see what those two say, but they usually say something like "Baby killer".

JMO

[Chevalier]

Originally posted by kakax



Last night during the My Fox Orlando broadcast, they said the vigil was still planned for this evening 8PM. I haven't seen it anywhere in print. [/*]I read 8:30 somewhere today. I couldn't tell you where I read it though.


Seriousy though, I thought about this last week. Why don't they move the vigil to the back yard? LOL, I know why. No cameras. But last week there were no protesters. They need to just invite family and friends. By now they should know who is friend or foe and move it to the back yard. For the love of God, do not mix the vigil with the protesters cuz it isn't going to be pretty.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by day2day


Hey Savannah..
I might be leary to if she hadn't done the searches on the net?

:shrug: [/*]

I dunno, I dunno........the whole thing doesn't ring true to me. I wish I were privy to the actual searches, AND the dates of them. Someone posted on another board there is a band in Orlando named "Chloroform".....:shrug:

Also, I just can't see there would be THAT MUCH "vaporized" chloroform in the trunk (allegedly.......which has "leaked" from who knows where :confused: ) if she just used it to put Caylee to sleep (or death). Geez to hear NG talk about it, about 5 gal. of chloroform was dumped in the trunk......no way!

It's not making sense to me. I gotta see and hear more.

[concernedmom]

Originally posted by Chevalier
I read 8:30 somewhere today. I couldn't tell you where I read it though.


Seriousy though, I thought about this last week. Why don't they move the vigil to the back yard? LOL, I know why. No cameras. But last week there were no protesters. They need to just invite family and friends. By now they should know who is friend or foe and move it to the back yard. For the love of God, do not mix the vigil with the protesters cuz it isn't going to be pretty. [/*]

Hope the cam stays up. It could get interesting. Id be leary of anyone coming to that vigil I didnt know.

[CinTN]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


Some of the protesters were in fact ticketed. [/*]

protesters,, WHERE???

I didnt see anyone there with a laptop...:shrug:

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by stuck again


Apparantly some cleaning liquids mixed with ethonol can form chloroform.It's not that actual chloroform was used to clean. [/*]

Ok, I understand what you mean now. However, seems unlikely that she made chloroform by accidently mixing cleaners to clean the trunk if she was researching chloroform online. Sounds like for reason's unknown she had her mind on getting actual chloroform?? Yes?

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Barefooted
last time i was here it was page 11- excuse me but are those people just coming up to the house, standing there and staring at it??? Because thats really lame IMO. [/*]

People have gone there to have their photos taken in front of the house. Go figure. A real tourist attraction. :rolleyes:

[deep*fear]

Originally posted by HeddaLettuce


FYI - I happen to live in a state that seems to get the outskirts of many hurricanes. Even if its not a direct hit, we get flooding, tornados and high winds. Although the damage is not as severe as those that are in the line of the hurricane, it still makes for weather that would not be considered ideal conditions for a search. Soil here just puddles not absorb. If there were remains that have set in the environment the possiblity does exist that they would "sink" as opposed to laying on top of the ground. Does that make sense to you? Wind is not only the factor in the effects hurricanes bring. [/*]


I have a very good eye on THIS storm, Orlando will not be getting rain/wind bands from IKE.
Done with this topic, though */c I take Tim Miller at his word and I have to watch the news.

[MyrDawn]

Originally posted by ratched


DH hasn't verbalized it yet, but I get the distinct impression he thinks we're a bunch of Gladys Kravitzs' on here. Oh well, if it keeps us out of the bars, what could it hurt? :biggrin: [/*]

I told mine I have much less time to spend with my lover when I'm here so much. Good thing he has a sense of humor! :D