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forensicsgal

09-07-2008, 01:02 PM

heard that Tim Miller will be digging up that concrete slab in the Anthony's yard, anyone else hear that?? That's why the dogs hit in the yard. Also heard the pings from Casey's phone were her calling home to make sure no one was there, interesting, makes sense. I remember calling home (when I skipped school) to check when no one was home so I could go there. Also, dogs hitting on the trunk of her car, Caylee was dead in both places.

kitty1182

09-07-2008, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by CinTN
I had to share this ,, I seen this pic around,, it was a screen capture from yesterday... but whats on it is a first..

http://i34.tinypic.com/o609zs.jpg

:lol: [/*]

LOL..

st777jo

09-07-2008, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by Miami Mania

In defense of GA on the yard thing, the city does own that swill of property but the property owner is the one responsible for keeping it mowed. I don't blame him for not wanting them there. You can already see the damage to that area. Also can you imagine how the neighbor across the street must be feeling with a big news truck parked in front of their home 24/7? [/*]

But they could stop it all by having some fess up.
jmo, jo

Chevalier

09-07-2008, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by rainydays
can someone please post the link to the live cam in fron tof the anthony's??TIA [/*]
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

OneUp

09-07-2008, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by cassidy

I had my 2 year old granddaughter last nite. She woke up at 2 AM sobbing for her Daddy. it took about 10 mins to calm her down and get her back to sleep. I mean this kid was simply pathetic in her misery and she MISSED her Daddy. But it struck me..don't these people worry about things like that with Caylee? Even if they firmly believe that Caylee was kidnapped why are they doing NOTHING? She's 3 years old, old enough to realize that people are missing from her life. Why are they giving Casey a pass. Why aren't they making her talk? Why aren't they searching? I just find it incredible.

JMO [/*]I agree...I just do not see any behavior by this family that meshes with ANY experience I have ever had or seen. I know everyone has their own ways, yadda, yadda...but for every action and every word to be inappropriate to the circumstances? Hmmmm, just another coincidence in this case that means nothing? I think not! Many human experiences are universal in their impact and in the reactions one has to them. To not display ANY "normal" behaviors...???and not one single family member? That is just beyond the pale of believeability IMO.
Fot Petes Sake people! If they believe Caylee is alive, she even spent her birthday with total strangers! Did we see ANY family member make a TV appearance that day to send out a birthday wish to Caylee in case these "loving" kidnappers wanted to let her see that her family loved her, or in case she happened to pass a TV? Have we seen anyone but George make a televised statement to Caylee that they loved her and to not be frightened that they would be coming for her?...very odd in a missing persons case.
JMO.

concernedmom

09-07-2008, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by onedarksun

dogs and searchers are going back to the area behind the parents house - do not know what they are searching or why - [/*]

Thanks.:seeya:

Anakerie

09-07-2008, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by st777jo

Ain't that the truth.

Also, shouldn't some on here be more concerned about any of the Anthony's telling where Caylee is? Then they wouldn't have to be so concerned about the tape or the protesters around the house. I don't have a problem with the protesters. I have a problem with the no respect or decency coming from the Anthony's on where is Caylee.
jmo, jo [/*]

The main problem I have with the protesters is that they are out there on the street with small children until late at night.

The problem with the tape around the yard is that they are claiming public property as their own. The sidewalk and the parkway does not belong to the Anthony family.

I have huge concerns about the Anthony family not telling what they know. They don't have to tell us, but they should tell the investigators. I have a problem with Cindy telling people to "get off their a**es" and search for Caylee, and then telling people that they shouldn't search. Then George with his statement that the "kidnappers" are being watched and that he is using resources "outside the normal scope". Cindy, George and Lee have 2 priorities.

One: Protect Casey.
Two: Find Caylee.

IMO, their priorities are completely screwed up.

day2day

09-07-2008, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by forensicsgal
heard that Tim Miller will be digging up that concrete slab in the Anthony's yard, anyone else hear that?? That's why the dogs hit in the yard. Also heard the pings from Casey's phone were her calling home to make sure no one was there, interesting, makes sense for her to go back w/Caylee's body. [/*]

I bet that will make Cindy happy . I think that is a good idea!!

dixielover

09-07-2008, 01:03 PM

Do you think that they moved her last night?

Chevalier

09-07-2008, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by CinTN
I had to share this ,, I seen this pic around,, it was a screen capture from yesterday... but whats on it is a first..

http://i34.tinypic.com/o609zs.jpg

:lol: [/*]Ha! Thanks. LOL

msgatorslayer

09-07-2008, 01:04 PM

deep*fear

09-07-2008, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by forensicsgal
heard that Tim Miller will be digging up that concrete slab in the Anthony's yard, anyone else hear that?? That's why the dogs hit in the yard. Also heard the pings from Casey's phone were her calling home to make sure no one was there, interesting, makes sense for her to go back w/Caylee's body. [/*]

If the Anthonys won't even give Tim an item of Caylees for the Search and Rescue dogs, do you really think they gave permission for him to dig up the concrete slab?

MyrDawn

09-07-2008, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Spring

I don't think it was a passing vehicle Chev. I looked at it several times and it appeared right up against the garage, [/*]

I thought it was a spare tire, mounted on the rear of a vehicle, like a Jeep, that was parked across the street from the Anthony's, just down the street from the web cam.

One like this:
http://www.shrockworks.com/files/products/t_16201.jpg

JMO

101Spots

09-07-2008, 01:05 PM

I guess Casey's not going to church today? Why am I not surprised?

kitty1182

09-07-2008, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by day2day

I bet that will make Cindy happy . I think that is a good idea!! [/*]

Want it be something if she is found in that yard?;)

forensicsgal

09-07-2008, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by deep*fear

If the Anthonys won't even give Tim an item of Caylees for the Search and Rescue dogs, do you really think they gave permission for him to dig up the concrete slab? [/*]

No, but can't he through LE get a search warrant?

keybored

09-07-2008, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by MyrDawn

Welcome back! Cindy is miffed at Tim because he is searching the area near the airport the LE wants him to search, and not taking all his teams and going to Texas, Puerto Rico and Mexico, like Cindy wants. She insists he should only look for a live Caylee, and he's looking for her alive or dead.

JMO [/*]

Thank you!

You'd think she'd be happy to get ANYONE helping to search for Caylee?
:shrug:

forensicnut

09-07-2008, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by deep*fear

If the Anthonys won't even give Tim an item of Caylees for the Search and Rescue dogs, do you really think they gave permission for him to dig up the concrete slab? [/*]And I serious doubt that Casey dug up the slab then remixed , poured and finished the concrete without anyone knowing. Nope, doesn't make sense.

msgatorslayer

09-07-2008, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by 101Spots
I guess Casey's not going to church today? Why am I not surprised? [/*]

Probably a good thing. The church might spontaneously combust from her walking in. JMO

deep*fear

09-07-2008, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by forensicnut
And I serious doubt that Casey dug up the slab then remixed , poured and finished the concrete without anyone knowing. Nope, doesn't make sense. [/*]

but with the way the entire family is acting, GA could have done it

Chevalier

09-07-2008, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by eours1949
The air test in the trunk did prove there were signs of decomposition. However, the compounds responsible for the positive test are released by decomposition of animals, including humans. I've tried to get information relative to human vs other animal/mammal decomp. and have been unsuccessful. An internet encyclopedia provided the info I have so far.

Also, consider if the Anthony's purchased landscape soil. Could that soil have been in the presence of a decomposing animal/human. If so, and if the soil were transported in the trunk of the vehicle, then the dogs would hit on the car and on the yard. Thanks for letting me rant.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom [/*]No! I can't tell you if it was Dr. Kobalynski or another forensics expert, but IIRC, they've identified like 400 chemicals that are released in the air from a decomposing body and 60 of them are exclusively human. All MO as I don't have a link to back it up and I'm not going to search for one either as my hubby just placed an omelette, hash browns and toast in front of me. :tongue:

mojito

09-07-2008, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by msgatorslayer

Probably a good thing. The church might spontaneously combust from her walking in. JMO [/*]

:lol: Yeah, if I was Casey I'd be getting myself right with the big guy himself.

chrissybot

09-07-2008, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by kitty1182

Want it be something if she is found in that yard?;) [/*]

I don't think the Anthonys will allow them to search the yard. Since she wouldn't give them something of Caylee's. HHMMM...wonder if they(Tim & co. & LE) will have to get a search warrent??? could they do that if the Anthony's don't allow them in the yard????

deep*fear

09-07-2008, 01:09 PM

quote:Originally posted by eours1949
The air test in the trunk did prove there were signs of decomposition. However, the compounds responsible for the positive test are released by decomposition of animals, including humans. I've tried to get information relative to human vs other animal/mammal decomp. and have been unsuccessful. An internet encyclopedia provided the info I have so far.

Also, consider if the Anthony's purchased landscape soil. Could that soil have been in the presence of a decomposing animal/human. If so, and if the soil were transported in the trunk of the vehicle, then the dogs would hit on the car and on the yard. Thanks for letting me rant.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom [/*]

_____________________

Last time I heard such a stretch was listening to Cindy.

forensicsgal

09-07-2008, 01:10 PM

quote:
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Originally posted by onedarksun

dogs and searchers are going back to the area behind the parents house - do not know what they are searching or why - [/*]
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I remember Casey telling Lee that Caylee was close and she was ok. To check out the concrete slab, IMO

kitty1182

09-07-2008, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by chrissybot

I don't think the Anthonys will allow them to search the yard. Since she wouldn't give them something of Caylee's. HHMMM...wonder if they(Tim & co. & LE) will have to get a search warrent??? could they do that if the Anthony's don't allow them in the yard???? [/*]

Don't know but I would think LE could get a search warrant to dig..
Who pours new concret on July 4th? Sounds odd to me..

WinnieLeigh7

09-07-2008, 01:10 PM

i don't think caylee is in the yard

i don't know whether she ever was, but i don't think she is now...

if she were, i would want to conclude that george wasn't aware of what was happening, because i think as ex le he would have more sense than that...

unless of course he was aware of it, but didn't intend for cindy to make that 911 call and just got 'stuck' with it...

and as many of you stated, i can't see casey pouring concrete, just like i can't imagine her digging bamboo

rainydays

09-07-2008, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by forensicnut

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

It looks like crime scene tape? Also, the no trespassing signs are gone. [/*]

thank you forensic nut.:seeya:

OneUp

09-07-2008, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Anakerie

The main problem I have with the protesters is that they are out there on the street with small children until late at night.

The problem with the tape around the yard is that they are claiming public property as their own. The sidewalk and the parkway does not belong to the Anthony family.

I have huge concerns about the Anthony family not telling what they know. They don't have to tell us, but they should tell the investigators. I have a problem with Cindy telling people to "get off their a**es" and search for Caylee, and then telling people that they shouldn't search. Then George with his statement that the "kidnappers" are being watched and that he is using resources "outside the normal scope". Cindy, George and Lee have 2 priorities.

One: Protect Casey.
Two: Find Caylee.

IMO, their priorities are completely screwed up. [/*]ITA. IMO, the best way to protect and clear Casey is to find a live Caylee, something that they maintain can be done ( I absolutely believe the last chance to find Caylee alive was around June 15th.) If they can find her WHY DON"T THEY?
There really is no excuse, we know it, LE knows it, and the Anthony family knows it! The excuses are just that and no one is being foolede except a few unfortunate 12 y.o. children and a handful of adults kind enough to believe that best about others no matter what the facts seem to indicate.
BTW, it's nice that people ARE that kind...but the naivete involved in talking oneself into beilieving Caseys story is a bit concerning.
JMO.

MyrDawn

09-07-2008, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by chrissybot

I don't think the Anthonys will allow them to search the yard. Since she wouldn't give them something of Caylee's. HHMMM...wonder if they(Tim & co. & LE) will have to get a search warrent??? could they do that if the Anthony's don't allow them in the yard???? [/*]

It would have to be the LE that got the search warrant and did the searching if Tim's denied access to the Anthony's yard. And the search warrant would have to be signed by judge.

JMO

overflow123

09-07-2008, 01:11 PM

Good Morning Everyone

forensicsgal

09-07-2008, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by MicheleL

Cindy didn't mind the media on her side of the street
or even on her driveway, when the case first broke .. :shrug: [/*]

She sure didn't. Now that everyone suspects what happened she wants nothing to do with them.

Motomom

09-07-2008, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by deep*fear

but it's not expensive or difficult to remove the tape as it is to remove a fence. Also, neighbors are less likely to complain and demand the HOA DO something about the tape than a permanent type structure. [/*]

Do they even have a HOA??

msgatorslayer

09-07-2008, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by dixielover
Do you think that they moved her last night? [/*]

If they did, the courts know about it. And unless she's been put in the witness protection program, FOX CAM will find them, lmao.

Spring

09-07-2008, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by MyrDawn

I thought it was a spare tire, mounted on the rear of a vehicle, like a Jeep, that was parked across the street from the Anthony's, just down the street from the web cam.

One like this:
http://www.shrockworks.com/files/products/t_16201.jpg

JMO [/*]

It looked about 5 times bigger than that Myr. It was more than half the size of the garage.

Nellie

09-07-2008, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by GrandmaGA

An alive Caylee, not a "little body". [/*]

Yes, that would be an answer to everyone's prayers.
But if she is dead, we also want her brought home.
If she's dead we can't change that by wishful thinking, so we pray her little body is brought home instead of left out there somewhere.
Don't you?
I've always been meaning to ask you....by your name...are you
Grandma George Anthony???? GrandmaGA.....? I've just always been curious.

Spring

09-07-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by deep*fear
quote:Originally posted by eours1949
The air test in the trunk did prove there were signs of decomposition. However, the compounds responsible for the positive test are released by decomposition of animals, including humans. I've tried to get information relative to human vs other animal/mammal decomp. and have been unsuccessful. An internet encyclopedia provided the info I have so far.

Also, consider if the Anthony's purchased landscape soil. Could that soil have been in the presence of a decomposing animal/human. If so, and if the soil were transported in the trunk of the vehicle, then the dogs would hit on the car and on the yard. Thanks for letting me rant.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom [/*]

_____________________

Last time I heard such a stretch was listening to Cindy. [/*]

Makes one wonder.

MyrDawn

09-07-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by Spring

It looked about 5 times bigger than that Myr. It was more than half the size of the garage. [/*]

I took that to be perception/perspective...the tire would have been much closer than the garage to the web cam. Like when you put your hand close up in front of your face and you can completely block out the house across the street, even though your hand is much smaller than the house.

JMO

AJandTam

09-07-2008, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by MyrDawn

It would have to be the LE that got the search warrant and did the searching if Tim's denied access to the Anthony's yard. And the search warrant would have to be signed by judge.

JMO [/*]

Tim went through this w/the Vandersloots too, didnt he?? They wouldn't let him search thier property like he wanted too. IIRC, it was a well he wanted to search, wasn't it??

deep*fear

09-07-2008, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by Spring

It looked about 5 times bigger than that Myr. It was more than half the size of the garage. [/*]

Trick photography ;)
I can take a photograph with my hand outstretched with one of my children standing in my hand -- doesn't mean they are that small or that they really are standing on my hand. It's perspective, the tire is much closer to the camera than the garage.

Anakerie

09-07-2008, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Motomom

Do they even have a HOA?? [/*]

Yes, they do. The HOA moved that rolling billboard that George parked on the lawn/sidewalk.

deep*fear

09-07-2008, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Yes, that would be an answer to everyone's prayers.
But if she is dead, we also want her brought home.
If she's dead we can't change that by wishful thinking, so we pray her little body is brought home instead of left out there somewhere.
Don't you?
I've always been meaning to ask you....by your name...are you
Grandma George Anthony???? GrandmaGA.....? I've just always been curious. [/*]

:eek: I wondered, too.... just too :chicken: to ask

SandyO

09-07-2008, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Miami Mania

(Snipped) Also can you imagine how the neighbor across the street must be feeling with a big news truck parked in front of their home 24/7? [/*]

I fully expect that the neighbors are being compensated for the use of their space.

MyrDawn

09-07-2008, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Tim went through this w/the Vandersloots too, didnt he?? They wouldn't let him search thier property like he wanted too. IIRC, it was a well he wanted to search, wasn't it?? [/*]

I think so. JMO

Chevalier

09-07-2008, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by MyrDawn

I took that to be perception...the tire would have been much closer than the garage to the web cam. Like when you put your hand close up in front of your face and you can completely block out the house across the street, even though your hand is much smaller than the house.

JMO [/*]The angle was wrong for that. I've seen many car bumpers exiting the left side of the screen or entering the left side of the screen and they do not line up with the angle of the driveway in the shot.

concernedmom

09-07-2008, 01:19 PM

Anthonys have company. nevermind its gone.

Chevalier

09-07-2008, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by MicheleL

By who?:shrug: [/*]If they are on neighbor's lawns, I'm sure the media is compensating the homeowner for use of the space. That or the neighbor is kindly granting permission.

deep*fear

09-07-2008, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by concernedmom
Anthonys have company. nevermind its gone. [/*] http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

MyrDawn

09-07-2008, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by deep*fear

Trick photography ;)
I can take a photograph with my hand outstretched with one of my children standing in my hand -- doesn't mean they are that small or that they really are standing on my hand. It's perspective, the tire is much closer to the camera than the garage. [/*]

That's a much better example than I gave! I have pictures of all my kids appearing to stand on my hand, and one with my husband apearing to stand on my head. :D

SandyO

09-07-2008, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by MicheleL

By who?:shrug: [/*]

The news media had a canopy up in the front yard of a neighbor across the street. I'm sure they weren't able to do that without the cooperation of the homeowner.

tiny paw-prints

09-07-2008, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by WinnieLeigh7
what was the date of casey's everyone lies, everyone dies post [/*]

IIRC..............

Cindy's post "lost her angel" was July 3.

Casey's post "everyone lies" was July 7.

Cindy's signed statement was June 9.

George signed statement was June 8.

Casey's signed statement was June 7.

Chevalier

09-07-2008, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by Anakerie

Yes, they do. The HOA moved that rolling billboard that George parked on the lawn/sidewalk. [/*]How do you know it was a HOA? Neighbors could have complained to LE who either cited the trailer or just told the Anthony's to move it. Parking a vehicle there would be against city code.

CinTN

09-07-2008, 01:22 PM

OK IIRC ,, that slab was poured on/around the 4th of July,, who does that on a national holiday,, or was it the 4th of June?IIRC it was either right after she went missing or after she was reported.

Now dogs did hit back there during the search,, could have been a spot that she was laid before buried..

It would make sense to search the yard again and if they refuse a request and a search warrant has to be issued that would just further my suspicions ,, it just goes along with the fact that Casey keeps saying "She is close to home"

I have had a feeling about all the yard work and paver/slab pouring that has gone on since,, either she is there under it or something involved is under there. 'Cause it just does not make any sense to have the dogs hit in the back yard and not search more.

ALSO ,, that is more "caution" tape up at the house not crime scene ,, if it was CS tape it would cover the driveway also, there would be alot more LE/CSI there and the street might even get blocked off to a point.
And I am sure we would have heard if it was CS tape by now...

OneUp

09-07-2008, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by Motomom

Do they even have a HOA?? [/*]Yes. IIRC, the president of the HOA was involved in the physical removal of the "Find Caylee" mobile billboard that was parked blocking the sidewalk.
JMO though...just cause Sunday is not a day for link searching...IMO.:)

Chevalier

09-07-2008, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by eours1949

It's not a stretch. The first paragraph is from an internet encyclopedia. I tried to research the Tennessee Body Farm site for information, but there is none to be found there.

As for the soil, it is just a theory and not an impossible one. Of course, if this were the case, the Anthony's would have to provide proof of purchase of the soil.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom [/*]It is a stretch. There are chemicals that are exclusively human.

Anakerie

09-07-2008, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by Chevalier
How do you know it was a HOA? Neighbors could have complained to LE who either cited the trailer or just told the Anthony's to move it. Parking a vehicle there would be against city code. [/*]

Because it was the president of the HOA who went to George about it and then moved the sign with his own pickup truck.

MyrDawn

09-07-2008, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by Chevalier
The angle was wrong for that. I've seen many car bumpers exiting the left side of the screen or entering the left side of the screen and they do not line up with the angle of the driveway in the shot. [/*]

When I saw it, it looked to me like it was the right angle for a car parked across the street from the A's driveway, just down from the web cam, with the angle the web cam was in at the time. They've moved the web cam now...wish I'd taking a screen shot of that.

JMO

chrissybot

09-07-2008, 01:24 PM

martha

09-07-2008, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by forensicsgal

She sure didn't. Now that everyone suspects what happened she wants nothing to do with them. [/*] ITA now she wants us all to go away. sorry cindy but don;t think that will happen. Tim is dead set on finding caylee. as so many other people or. I will say again if CASEY will talk and tell the truth then this mess will stop and they will not have to worrie about their yard and the people living near her can have their life back. Is there just one way into the sub div they live in? Where is ga working now? Lee must be working at his job since we don;t see much of him anymore.jmho:rose:

deep*fear

09-07-2008, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by CinTN
OK IIRC ,, that slab was poured on/around the 4th of July,, who does that on a national holiday,, or was it the 4th of June?IIRC it was either right after she went missing or after she was reported.

Now dogs did hit back there during the search,, could have been a spot that she was laid before buried..

It would make sense to search the yard again and if they refuse a request and a search warrant has to be issued that would just further my suspicions ,, it just goes along with the fact that Casey keeps saying "She is close to home"

I have had a feeling about all the yard work and paver/slab pouring that has gone on since,, either she is there under it or something involved is under there. 'Cause it just does not make any sense to have the dogs hit in the back yard and not search more.

ALSO ,, that is more "caution" tape up at the house not crime scene ,, if it was CS tape it would cover the driveway also, there would be alot more LE/CSI there and the street might even get blocked off to a point.
And I am sure we would have heard if it was CS tape by now... [/*]

I don't think it's strange to do home repairs on a holiday weekend such as 4th July, especially if it were something that may require additional help. I do wonder if dogs can get a cadaver scent if a body were encased in concrete.

summer4meplz

09-07-2008, 01:25 PM

onedarksun

09-07-2008, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by Raven

Why are you parsing words? I just want her FOUND, and you would think her "loving" grandparents would too.

However, by their refusal to hand over any scented item of hers, my instinct tells me that the Anthonys are NOT interested in finding Caylee at all.

Then to rail at Tim and his dedicated team of volunteers is compounding the issues most thinking people have with them.

They are acting like people who ARE NOT INTERESTED in their granddaughters whereabouts. Do they think she is just going to walk out of the Everglades? That the "kidnappers" are going to go "OK, we're tired of this, here she is." ?????? [/*]

I think Tim is over the fact that these people are unwilling to help - his mission is to find Caylee - and trust me - he will --

crymeariver2006

09-07-2008, 01:25 PM

Spring

09-07-2008, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by MyrDawn

I took that to be perception/perspective...the tire would have been much closer than the garage to the web cam. Like when you put your hand close up in front of your face and you can completely block out the house across the street, even though your hand is much smaller than the house.

JMO [/*]

I know what you're saying but it sure looked like it was parked there.:shrug:

Chevalier

09-07-2008, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by Anakerie

Because it was the president of the HOA who went to George about it and then moved the sign with his own pickup truck. [/*]OK, I missed that article or video.

msgatorslayer

09-07-2008, 01:27 PM

martha

09-07-2008, 01:28 PM

day2day

09-07-2008, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by kitty1182

Want it be something if she is found in that yard?;) [/*]

MMhmm...I do think if she isn't there now..she was moved from there :(...
My heart just breaks for this littleone..jmo

Chevalier

09-07-2008, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Miami Mania

Why? If the media truck is on public property? No one would be required to pay them. [/*]The tents, etc. that are set up on neighbors lawns. We've seen pics and videos of them.

crymeariver2006

09-07-2008, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by dixie77
Last night, everyone had left the Anthony's home and it was in darkness. Some were saying that Casey must have been moved to another place. Anyone know anything about this? thanks [/*]

That's the first I've heard about it, but then again, I haven't read the whole thread yet.

With the media camped out, ready to pounce at a moment's notice if an Anthony moves.....I believe that would have been noticed.

But that's just me....

:shrug:

impartial

09-07-2008, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Chevalier
No! I can't tell you if it was Dr. Kobalynski or another forensics expert, but IIRC, they've identified like 400 chemicals that are released in the air from a decomposing body and 60 of them are exclusively human. All MO as I don't have a link to back it up and I'm not going to search for one either as my hubby just placed an omelette, hash browns and toast in front of me. :tongue: [/*]

Is it your birthday? If not, can I borrow him ... I'm just down the coast a ways.

I wish you had the link ... because I have been so curious to know how the body farm could detect human decomp. from an air test vs. other decomp. Most of their air testing has been performed with fish ... very rare for humans; but they knew the source when they were doing the air tests ... they weren't trying to determine the source, just the stage of decomp.

IMO

Anakerie

09-07-2008, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by SayWHAT?

I have a problem imagining Casey (and/or the rest of her family) sitting in the air conditioned comfort of the Anthonys home, watching news reports of the searches for Caylee, and knowing full well whether or not they're anywhere near the child's remains.

Over a thousand strangers are mucking through swampy, bug and snake-infested terrain, in the heat and humidity, looking for a child who belongs to the Anthonys. Meanwhile, the Anthonys are sitting in their air conditioned home, watching all the events surrounding their crime(s), and offering nothing more than insults and arrogant behavior.

And we're worried about a few protesters in front of their house? :rolleyes: [/*]

I agree with you about the Anthony family sitting there in comfort while all those people were out there looking for their granddaughter. And Casey sitting in there playing "celebrity" while knowing her daughter is missing. To me, that is one huge slap in the face to all of the people searching, the investigators following leads and even us, sitting here trying hard to make some kind of sense out of the insanity that comes from that house.

The concerns about the protesters are minor in comparison. But, those protesters had small children with them on that sidewalk. That is the concern I had. Nothing more, nothing less. If it were all adults out there, no problem.

day2day

09-07-2008, 01:30 PM

Ckrdpast

09-07-2008, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by msgatorslayer

If it wasn't for deed restrictions they'd probably toss up a tall privacy fence. I know I would.

Yeah, I've made fun of the web cam just like everyone else. But I think its wrong. That cam shouldn't be there. [/*]

ms-just tagging on to your post--not intended to you

we were driving thru the sub yesterday very narrow streets---with parking on both sides---didnt go by THE HOUSE but i cant even imagine how the neighbors feel with this circus going on there

even if the webcam wasnt there it would still be a mess

IMO

Motomom

09-07-2008, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by Anakerie

Yes, they do. The HOA moved that rolling billboard that George parked on the lawn/sidewalk. [/*]

Where'd they move it to? And if that's the case, i expect they'd be moving that yellow tape to. It really does nothing, it isn't a barrier and it looks hideous, bringing more attention to hopespring drive.

lonetraveler

09-07-2008, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by GrandmaGA

When was the trial that it was proven there was a dead body in the trunk? [/*]

==============================================
FGS woman, are you getting a court trial mixed up with obtaining evidence mixed up with searching for a missing little girl's body because evidence points to the possibility that she is indeed the dead body that was in Casey's trunk........if you are at this point in the case then there is no hope for you to understand and comprehend anything about this case. Find another board.

onedarksun

09-07-2008, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by martha
ITA you or so right. the anthonys need to get off their behind and be out looking.jmho:rose: [/*]

I will say I totally agree with you - the anthonys should be out looking - but with being out with searchers yesterday and knowing how people feel about them - I seriously have reconsidered them being out there- I think they would hinder the process rather than help - I can hear them saying - why are we looking there - she won't be there-
we looked under things and tramped through places I would not think to look for a person -
at this point I do not care what the anthonys say or do - they do not care about the people out there looking and they need to stay away from Tim and all the searchers - I almost think searchers would turn on them - what mob scene that could turn out to be - a public stoning sounds very likely......

MyrDawn

09-07-2008, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by SayWHAT?

I have a problem imagining Casey (and/or the rest of her family) sitting in the air conditioned comfort of the Anthonys home, watching news reports of the searches for Caylee, and knowing full well whether or not they're anywhere near the child's remains.

Over a thousand strangers are mucking through swampy, bug and snake-infested terrain, in the heat and humidity, looking for a child who belongs to the Anthonys. Meanwhile, the Anthonys are sitting in their air conditioned home, watching all the events surrounding their crime(s), and offering nothing more than insults and arrogant behavior.

And we're worried about a few protesters in front of their house? :rolleyes: [/*]

We can worry about more than one thing at a time. I'm concerned for the babies they're bringing to the prostest, too. And, keeping them there for hours on end in the heat. I'm also concerned for the A's neighbors, like the family of the lady that said the other day "My kid can't play outside, and we can't leave the house without people trying to run us over."

http://www.local6.com/news/17406629/detail.html

CinTN

09-07-2008, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by deep*fear

I don't think it's strange to do home repairs on a holiday weekend such as 4th July, especially if it were something that may require additional help. I do wonder if dogs can get a cadaver scent if a body were encased in concrete. [/*]

Me either but in this case its to much of a cowinkydink..

I heard after they had first wanted to check out the slab that they do have dogs just for that situation,
, also does anyone know if they did the ground penetrating radar on the slab?

I have a really sneeky feeling that this will turn out to be something,, just does not add up if they hit on an area,, search harder/more..

Chevalier

09-07-2008, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by impartial

Is it your birthday? If not, can I borrow him ... I'm just down the coast a ways.

I wish you had the link ... because I have been so curious to know how the body farm could detect human decomp. from an air test vs. other decomp. Most of their air testing has been performed with fish ... very rare for humans; but they knew the source when they were doing the air tests ... they weren't trying to determine the source, just the stage of decomp.

IMO [/*]

Not my birthday. He likes to cook and eat big, heavy breakfasts. I do not. I'm happy with oatmeal or cereal. I told him I'd have a little. My plate was bursting. He's a food pusher. :o

Ugggh, maybe I'll look for a link. I wish I could remember which show it was on, or which forensics dude....

dixielover

09-07-2008, 01:35 PM

They could have moved her yesterday when Baez and GA left. I don't think it will make any difference if Casey is in the house or not (unless they moved the whole family). The dislike for this family is so huge-people will watch this house anyway. jmo

onedarksun

09-07-2008, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by Anakerie

I agree with you about the Anthony family sitting there in comfort while all those people were out there looking for their granddaughter. And Casey sitting in there playing "celebrity" while knowing her daughter is missing. To me, that is one huge slap in the face to all of the people searching, the investigators following leads and even us, sitting here trying hard to make some kind of sense out of the insanity that comes from that house.

The concerns about the protesters are minor in comparison. But, those protesters had small children with them on that sidewalk. That is the concern I had. Nothing more, nothing less. If it were all adults out there, no problem. [/*]

all the searchers have their opinion on the anthonys - and trust me - no one was worried about what they were doing - we could care less - we were searching for what we consider more precious than her family considers her - and I have a feeling when she is found - the family will deby it is her even when they have the proof - and the public will step up and give this baby the proper resting place she deserves -

Chevalier

09-07-2008, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by the breeze

Yes it makes that home look like it's a crime scene imo [/*]If the shoe fits...

impartial

09-07-2008, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by Chevalier

Not my birthday. He likes to cook and eat big, heavy breakfasts. I do not. I'm happy with oatmeal or cereal. I told him I'd have a little. My plate was bursting. He's a food pusher. :o

Ugggh, maybe I'll look for a link. I wish I could remember which show it was on, or which forensics dude.... [/*]

No worries ... don't go searching. If you stumble upon it by chance, just pm me with the link.

Thanks. !!!

Duckaroo

09-07-2008, 01:39 PM

Instead of bonding Casey out again, why didn't the family leave her in there, where
they at least know she is safe.

That way they would've been free to focus their efforts on searching for Caylee, they could go to Texas, PR, Mexico, etc..all those places they feel she may be.

Now they're stuck there, babysitting Casey, who they know is safe and alive, unlike poor Caylee.

:mad:

concerned

09-07-2008, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by CinTN

Me either but in this case its to much of a cowinkydink..

I heard after they had first wanted to check out the slab that they do have dogs just for that situation,
, also does anyone know if they did the ground penetrating radar on the slab?

I have a really sneeky feeling that this will turn out to be something,, just does not add up if they hit on an area,, search harder/more.. [/*]

I have thought from day one that she was under that slab for some reason. I can't believe they did not remove it in the beginning myself:shrug:

AJandTam

09-07-2008, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by the breeze

Good to see you posting:seeya: And yes they went threw this with the Vandersloots i am behind again are they not going to let them search there yard? [/*]

Nice to see you as well Breeze. I think we need more practice, seems we can't keep up anymore.... You think our families will understand?

What I heard was that the Anthony's would not provide the dog handler w/anything of Caylee's then everyone is speculating that they probably won't let them in the back yard to search either. I think the LE already did that though, so it's not such a big loss there. Caylee probably isn't on the gp's property.

onedarksun

09-07-2008, 01:40 PM

and when they deny this baby again and the public lays this baby to rest - I wish they was a way to ban them from attending - I think they have done enough damage -

WinnieLeigh7

09-07-2008, 01:40 PM

i always wondered, that if you presumed that the grandparents knew nothing, then surely the 'decomp' leak had to set a fire under them...

despite their defense of it in public, it would have had to be crushing...
how could they have faced casey after that fact...

well, they didn't have to for long, because she went back to jail

but now she's out again...by their doing

why

how

i couldn't imagine facing her, with her smirks and 'i'm a celebrity' attitude, but not disclosing information about my granddaughter

i mentioned a while back that i think the one truth that maybe casey told was the '30 script' but i don't think it came from zanny clause and that it actually 'started' at the timing of the 911 call

if you trace back the 'stories' they become really outragous about this time...
it's also the time george kinda 'disappeared'...

with casey in jail
the 30 script expiring..
everyone was without control and clueless of how to spin the story

possible :confused: maybe

heck i dunno anymore, my head is spinning almost as wildly as the anthony stories

onedarksun

09-07-2008, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by the breeze

Are they gonna search there this week? [/*]
I don't think Tim andhis team takes any time off - he looked exhausted yesterday

WinnieLeigh7

09-07-2008, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

That's the first I've heard about it, but then again, I haven't read the whole thread yet.

With the media camped out, ready to pounce at a moment's notice if an Anthony moves.....I believe that would have been noticed.

But that's just me....

:shrug: [/*]

she could have easily been hid a car....
maybe even the trunk :eek: when it was parked in the garage, door down...

and then taken to a 'safe' house

:shrug:

AJandTam

09-07-2008, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by chrissybot

Thanks for that info. I didn't know that. I didn't follow that case as closely as this one. TY! [/*]

You are welcome. I followed that one pretty closely. However, I got behind on this one a bit.... lots of changes around here have been cutting into my obsessions.

concernedmom

09-07-2008, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by onedarksun

I don't think Tim andhis team takes any time off - he looked exhausted yesterday [/*]

Have they searched most of the AP area except the 1/3 that is under water?

deep*fear

09-07-2008, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by WinnieLeigh7
i always wondered, that if you presumed that the grandparents knew nothing, then surely the 'decomp' leak had to set a fire under them...

despite their defense of it in public, it would have had to be crushing...
how could they have faced casey after that fact...

well, they didn't have to for long, because she went back to jail

but now she's out again...by their doing

why

how

i couldn't imagine facing her, with her smirks and 'i'm a celebrity' attitude, but not disclosing information about my granddaughter

i mentioned a while back that i think the one truth that maybe casey told was the '30 script' but i don't think it came from zanny clause and that it actually 'started' at the timing of the 911 call

if you trace back the 'stories' they become really outragous about this time...
it's also the time george kinda 'disappeared'...

with casey in jail
the 30 script expiring..
everyone was without control and clueless of how to spin the story

possible :confused: maybe

heck i dunno anymore, my head is spinning almost as wildly as the anthony stories [/*]

Only 30 day script was a 30 day drug script for Xanax OR 30 day script the family followed while waiting for Caylee's remains to decompose to the point of not being found +/or COD to be unable to be determined.

Ckrdpast

09-07-2008, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by onedarksun

I don't think Tim andhis team takes any time off - he looked exhausted yesterday [/*]

just adding

and he will not quit--if weather forces him to shut down---he will return no matter how many times it takes

beemeup

09-07-2008, 01:44 PM

There is only one comment i have heard from the Anthony family that i think is true. I really believe George when he says (kidnappers) those responsible for Caylee's disappearance are being watched. Is that not a fox camera pointed directly at your house George????????

forensicnut

09-07-2008, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by impartial

Is it your birthday? If not, can I borrow him ... I'm just down the coast a ways.

I wish you had the link ... because I have been so curious to know how the body farm could detect human decomp. from an air test vs. other decomp. Most of their air testing has been performed with fish ... very rare for humans; but they knew the source when they were doing the air tests ... they weren't trying to determine the source, just the stage of decomp.

IMO [/*]

Can you send him up to me, when you're done with him? :seeya:

Here's the link to the body farm....maybe there is something here:

http://web.utk.edu/~anthrop/index.htm

CinTN

09-07-2008, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by the breeze

Are they gonna search there this week? [/*]
I HOPE SO !!

Someone here had said they were searching around the home today ,, not sure if its true,, I cant seem to find a link to where they are searching today ,, anyone know,,,

AJandTam

09-07-2008, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by dixie77
Last night, everyone had left the Anthony's home and it was in darkness. Some were saying that Casey must have been moved to another place. Anyone know anything about this? thanks [/*]

I don't know anything about them having done that, I did read elsewhere this morning that they installed security cam's, and I did say that I thought maybe going to an undisclosed location might be all that would help that family at this point.

onedarksun

09-07-2008, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by concernedmom

Have they searched most of the AP area except the 1/3 that is under water? [/*]

okay - dumb ? but what does AP mean? and then I can try to answer -

regarding the water -our teamleader said the water had gone down significantly from Friday but there was still alot of water and we had to go through it while searching -

Carol25

09-07-2008, 01:45 PM

Have any of you ever heard of Dr. Andrew Hodges? He's involved in forensic psychiatry. He uses thoughtprint decoding and is based upon the subconscious mind wants to reveal secrets.

He wrote Into the Deep about the Holloway case. Anyway, With all that Cindy has said and casey with her lies, I'd like to know if he's working on this case and adding to the puzzle. He reads between the lies and gets to the meanings. Very well known.

tiny paw-prints

09-07-2008, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by deep*fear

I don't think it's strange to do home repairs on a holiday weekend such as 4th July, especially if it were something that may require additional help. I do wonder if dogs can get a cadaver scent if a body were encased in concrete.

I've wondered about the same thing.

From several aerial photos, CSI was very interested in the specific area under the bamboo tree along the adjoining neighbor's fence. About 4-5 investigators wearing gloves and working that area took several samples.

My theory is that Caylee's body might have been first buried at this "bamboo" spot in the backyard and later moved to another spot in the backyard; perhaps as you speculated above; encased in concrete?

concernedmom

09-07-2008, 01:46 PM

CinTN

09-07-2008, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by beemeup
There is only one comment i have heard from the Anthony family that i think is true. I really believe George when he says (kidnappers) those responsible for Caylee's disappearance are being watched. Is that not a fox camera pointed directly at your house George???????? [/*]

:lol:

Anakerie

09-07-2008, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by SayWHAT?

I agree that the children shouldn't be involved.

And I apologize for dredging up the protester thing from yesterday's threads. But it went on and on and on about the protesters, their rights, their kids, their tackiness, their signs facing the camera instead of the house, etc. etc.

Meantime, all I could think of was the Anthonys, sitting in their air conditioned home, Caylee gone, hundreds of people risking their own well-being out looking for her, and page after page on this board about the protesters. It got to me after awhile.

Again, sorry to dredge it back up. I'm done with my rant now. :o [/*]

No need for an apology. :D I undersand what you are saying. And, I agree with you!:seeya:

Chevalier

09-07-2008, 01:46 PM

impartial,

This link doesn't give the figures I was taking from memory, but it states specifically that the decomp was human. Not just decomp.

The University of Tennessee "Body Farm" conducted the tests on the car's air samples Aug. 10, and on Wednesday their conclusion was released: a human corpse had been decomposing there, according to WESH-2 TV.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,411942,00.html

Still looking...

onedarksun

09-07-2008, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by concernedmom

airport area. [/*]

thank you - I am pretty sure that was one of the first areas that searchers looked on during labor weekend - command center is not far from there - airplanes were flying not far over our heads -

deep*fear

09-07-2008, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by Dunnie
Would appear as though it's not "safe" to post here.

:read: [/*]

It's safe to post here if you don't confuse the board with a court of law.

AJandTam

09-07-2008, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by the breeze

The sound of a safe house makes me wannabarf she sure wasn't there to keep her child safe. [/*]

Why Breeze that is so polically incorrect. :D

They have certainly got themselves in deep in the public eye, no doubt about that, I do feel badly for the neighbors though. Can you imagine having to live next to them right now,..

desmom

09-07-2008, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by Spring

It looked about 5 times bigger than that Myr. It was more than half the size of the garage. [/*]

IMO, it was an optical illusion. We saw a portion of a passing vehicle with a mounted spare tire very close to the webcam.

WinnieLeigh7

09-07-2008, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by deep*fear

Only 30 day script was a 30 day drug script for Xanax OR 30 day script the family followed while waiting for Caylee's remains to decompose to the point of not being found +/or COD to be unable to be determined. [/*]

i guess what i'm getting at is they needed to bail her out to add in 'script' part 2

which makes me wonder, what was she writing in jail

ccat

09-07-2008, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by concerned

I have thought from day one that she was under that slab for some reason. I can't believe they did not remove it in the beginning myself:shrug: [/*]

I am so interested in that evidence. I remember Cindy saying to Greta (when Greta was interviewing at the house) that George had to move a plant that was very close to the house. She made a special point of saying that is was too close to the house and was overgrown and he had to remove it. That's why there was a depression in the ground right there. I wondered why she made such a point of that.

Ckrdpast

09-07-2008, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by onedarksun

thank you - I am pretty sure that was one of the first areas that searchers looked on during labor weekend - command center is not far from there - airplanes were flying not far over our heads - [/*]

hope you dont mind me taggin you--

plus they are also sending out teams to check places that were already searched

"fresh eyes" in case something was over looked

deep*fear

09-07-2008, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by Raven

I don't want them out searching Florida (remember Jon Benet?), but why aren't they in Puerto Rico or Texas?

Again, this is so much like Laci and the Washington state video and the LA search center idea.....it seems these nutjobs always want to move the focus away from the most likely places.

You don't suppose Casey "sold" Caylee to someone???? To get party/drug/vacation money? I put nothing past her. [/*]

Who put the cadaver odor in Casey's trunk?

Chevalier

09-07-2008, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by Dunnie
Would appear as though it's not "safe" to post here.

:read: [/*]

There you are. LOL. When I read that post quoted in lonetraveler's post I thought of you and your stance on not giving any credence to the sworn statements in the 400 page doc dump (have you read it yet?) because they are not statements given in a court of law.

trich

09-07-2008, 01:51 PM

mattncats

09-07-2008, 01:51 PM

This is my first post ever after reading message boards for years. So many things are so obvious about this case. Mainly, the chloroform. Come on, chloroform is not your average google search. The shovel, the gas cans, the trunk, etc. What I'm wondering is how did Cindy even know what a dead body smells like? Not too many people I know have ever smelled one, but they say it's something you'll never forget, or ever get the smell out of. That's all for now.

AJandTam

09-07-2008, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by day2day

Hey girl...:seeya:
Since the dogs "hit" there..couldn't he get a warrant? [/*]

Dayyyyyyyyyyyyy Hey you..How's J?

I don't think Tim can get a warrant. Didn't Le already search that property?

CinTN

09-07-2008, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by onedarksun

okay - dumb ? but what does AP mean? and then I can try to answer -

regarding the water -our teamleader said the water had gone down significantly from Friday but there was still alot of water and we had to go through it while searching - [/*]

Dont get me wrong I am so thankful that TES is doing what they are doing,, But IMO I dont think little Miss Casey would have went into a swampy area and risk getting dirty/muddy,, I lived in Fl for over 20 years and those areas can be really nasty,, i feel for the searchers totally.. But i honestly dont think she would have went that far,, I think she is "close to home" as she says..

Maybe she had her stashed somewhere and brought her back to the home and then they did all the "yardwork".
The dirt in the trunk does not necessarily mean it was from the borrowed shovel ...

I say dig up the slab...

Anakerie

09-07-2008, 01:53 PM

impartial

09-07-2008, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by jennyanydots
I saw a documentary on the body farm, and beleive me; they didnt have "fish" buried all over that acreage.
No; just bodies, in varios stages of decomp. And in all kinds of different scenerios as well. I would not discount the great work they are doing for forensic science. Ever. Nor would I discount the FBI and they have announced that Caylee is DEAD. For this family to do what others have done, insist the child is alive and there are "sightings" of her is criminal and so indecent to Caylee's memory. It's takes a village to raise a child. How many does it take, to bury one? [/*]

I'm talking specifically about the "air tests" ... the Body Farm themselves indicate that the air tests have been performed mostly on fish.

I know about their testing on bodies. And that is my point, they have bodies they are testing on ... they know the source from which they are doing their tests.

Here, they are trying to determine the source itself from an air sample, and I haven't been able to find from the Body Farm itself how they would determine the source as human decomposition from animal decomposition.

IMO

deep*fear

09-07-2008, 01:54 PM

Has the quarry next to the Anthony home been searched? (even in the water?)

MyrDawn

09-07-2008, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by mattncats
This is my first post ever after reading message boards for years. So many things are so obvious about this case. Mainly, the chloroform. Come on, chloroform is not your average google search. The shovel, the gas cans, the trunk, etc. What I'm wondering is how did Cindy even know what a dead body smells like? Not too many people I know have ever smelled one, but they say it's something you'll never forget, or ever get the smell out of. That's all for now. [/*]

Welcome out of lurkdom! Cindy said she recognized that smell because she's a nurse.

JMO

AJandTam

09-07-2008, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by MyrDawn

We can worry about more than one thing at a time. I'm concerned for the babies they're bringing to the prostest, too. And, keeping them there for hours on end in the heat. I'm also concerned for the A's neighbors, like the family of the lady that said the other day "My kid can't play outside, and we can't leave the house without people trying to run us over."

http://www.local6.com/news/17406629/detail.html [/*]

I agree on children being present. I never like children being present at any place that could bring about any hostile or bad emotional situations.

BorderCollieMom

09-07-2008, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by concerned

I have thought from day one that she was under that slab for some reason. I can't believe they did not remove it in the beginning myself:shrug: [/*]

Does anyone know if LE ever MOVED the Playhouse and checked

what the conditions were UNDERNEATH it ?????????

concernedmom

09-07-2008, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by jennyanydots
I dont know but I hope it's true!! I hope that LE shows up with warrants to get them all OUT of the house and searches it top to bottom. And I dont mean with cadaver dogs, I mean actually crawling into crawl spaces, looking inside containers, esp any that are urns, etc.

Dots. [/*]

A case a few months ago, they found the girls body in the crawl space.

Ckrdpast

09-07-2008, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by CinTN

Dont get me wrong I am so thankful that TES is doing what they are doing,, But IMO I dont think little Miss Casey would have went into a swampy area and risk getting dirty/muddy,, I lived in Fl for over 20 years and those areas can be really nasty,, i feel for the searchers totally.. But i honestly dont think she would have went that far,, I think she is "close to home" as she says..

Maybe she had her stashed somewhere and brought her back to the home and then they did all the "yardwork".
The dirt in the trunk does not necessarily mean it was from the borrowed shovel ...

I say dig up the slab... [/*]

more than one theory!

forensicnut

09-07-2008, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by mattncats
This is my first post ever after reading message boards for years. So many things are so obvious about this case. Mainly, the chloroform. Come on, chloroform is not your average google search. The shovel, the gas cans, the trunk, etc. What I'm wondering is how did Cindy even know what a dead body smells like? Not too many people I know have ever smelled one, but they say it's something you'll never forget, or ever get the smell out of. That's all for now. [/*]

After this case....it most certainly is a common search. When I googled it, I got over 5.8 million sites, LOL.

I have smelled two dead bodies and will absolutely agree...you can't forget it, nor can you describe it.

Welcome!!!:seeya:

SandyO

09-07-2008, 01:55 PM

The names of both JonBenet Ramsey and Natalee Holloway have been mentioned in this thread ----- and I am just hoping with all my being that this case doesn't end up like those did ----- but I get scared sometimes............

onedarksun

09-07-2008, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Dayyyyyyyyyyyyy Hey you..How's J?

I don't think Tim can get a warrant. Didn't Le already search that property? [/*]

if he (Tim) has reasonable cause - he can take it to LE and can't LE then get the warrant?

ckrdpast - you know I don't mind tagging - I think after yesterday we are past all the trivial stuff -

chrissybot

09-07-2008, 01:55 PM

Carol25

09-07-2008, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by deep*fear
Has the quarry next to the Anthony home been searched? (even in the water?) [/*]
A quarry? And we've been talking about cement?

deep*fear

09-07-2008, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Dunnie
No, I haven't read them yet. I'm still waiting for a trial, which I hope will happen eventually. But you never know.

I just don't have the time to read 400 pages of documents. I count on you good people to keep me up to date.

:seeya: [/*]

But then you dispute the sworn statements when you're told what they stated. If you're going to wait for a trial then wait for a trial instead of arguing sworn statements made by witnesses. Lying in sworn statements is a crime, so all these people are not lying.

Chevalier

09-07-2008, 01:56 PM

Maelstrom5

09-07-2008, 01:56 PM

FYI;

About the University of Tennessee Forensic Anthropology Facility commonly called the “body farm”

They have been doing a multi year study on the
gases/compounds given off when a human body decomposes. The reason Dr. Bass and his colleague’s are doing this study is so they can distinguish the difference between the gases given off when a human body decomposes and those of an animal.

Research has confirmed that dead human bodies give off more than 400 compounds. The subjects have been place in a number of locations; on the ground, buried in both shallow and deep graves, as well as one place in the trunk of a car. Their hope is that by quantifying what gases/compounds are given off they can do two thing; train dogs better as well as develop a hand held device that will be able to do what currently only cadaver dogs are able to do.

Ckrdpast

09-07-2008, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by SandyO
The names of both JonBenet Ramsey and Natalee Holloway have been mentioned in this thread ----- and I am just hoping with all my being that this case doesn't end up like those did ----- but I get scared sometimes............ [/*]

have faith Sandy after yesterday mine was restored!

if tim cant find her NO ONE can

got the right man on the job

emanondeeni

09-07-2008, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by ccat

I am so interested in that evidence. I remember Cindy saying to Greta (when Greta was interviewing at the house) that George had to move a plant that was very close to the house. She made a special point of saying that is was too close to the house and was overgrown and he had to remove it. That's why there was a depression in the ground right there. I wondered why she made such a point of that. [/*]

Yes, Cindy told Greta that they moved the plant so they could move this big storage box, that was next to the pool, into that space because Caylee was old enough to climb up onto the box and get into the pool. BUT, the big box next to the pool was still right next to the pool...it had not been moved into the newly vacated space. I thought that was odd.

onedarksun

09-07-2008, 01:57 PM

I agree with the comment about Princess Casey not tromping out in the mud and swamp - I made the same comment yesterday -
but then you have to remember - there are other players involved and we can rule out that someone else may have tromped thru the swamps -

forensicnut

09-07-2008, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by concernedmom

A case a few months ago, they found the girls body in the crawl space. [/*]
I wonder if they've searched the attic?

Anakerie

09-07-2008, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by BorderCollieMom

Does anyone know if LE ever MOVED the Playhouse and checked

what the conditions were UNDERNEATH it ????????? [/*]

Yes. I remember seeing video from the helicopters that showed LE moving the playhouse and then picking up the pavers that are under it.

impartial

09-07-2008, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by Chevalier
impartial,

This link doesn't give the figures I was taking from memory, but it states specifically that the decomp was human. Not just decomp.

The University of Tennessee "Body Farm" conducted the tests on the car's air samples Aug. 10, and on Wednesday their conclusion was released: a human corpse had been decomposing there, according to WESH-2 TV.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,411942,00.html

Still looking... [/*]

Thanks.

When the original reports came out, the news reported "decomposition", then later "human" decomposition.

Has anyone from the Body Farm given an interview about their results?

Dragon is very familiar with the Body Farm, and took classes from Dr. Bass himself. He couldn't find anything either IIRC that showed the Body Farm could determine the source of their testing.

IMO

AJandTam

09-07-2008, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by Barefooted

If those arrogant people think that they don't have to "let" the LE into their backyard to search, they are sadly mistaken and in for a big surprise. With a search warrant LE can go in that backyard, whether the Anthonys like it or not. They can bust up that concrete slab if they think Caylees body is buried beneath it.
George is well aware of that. If he isn't, then I am seriously wondering if he has dementia...he was LE himself, and the denial, the smelling of decomp, the support for Casey in the face of evidence she is lying, his hiding the gun, makes me wonder seriously if he is playing with a full deck. Seriously. [/*]e

I dont' disagree w/ya. True enough that LE can get in and there is nothing the Anthony's can do about it so long as the legal aspect of it is in order. Ofcourse, even LE has to abide by rules to get search warrants. I was on vacation when this case broke and been busy alot more than usual lately. Am I mistaken in that Le already searched the Anthony grandp's property?

deep*fear

09-07-2008, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by Carol25

A quarry? And we've been talking about cement? [/*]
I don't know if this works

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=hopespring+orlando&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=60.116586,108.984375&ie=UTF8&ll=28.48578,-81.260011&spn=0.00414,0.006652&t=h&z=17

concernedmom

09-07-2008, 01:59 PM

Gory question.
If she was placed in an area where alligators would eat her, would their be some evidence from the gators? I mean, do they throw up stuff or poop it out like clothes etc that dont digest?

Regina.Lampert

09-07-2008, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by Spring

He called another poster a moron. There was no excuse for that. [/*]

You are absolutely right Spring!!

I am so glad they have good searching weather down in Florida today, perhaps this is the day that little angel comes home.

:seeya:

dixielover

09-07-2008, 02:00 PM

30 days was along time to get rid of a body-grandparents went on vacation (assuming they drove), GA and his coolers everyday- this body could be anywhere and yes I do believe the whole family was involved. Always have! I also believe the script was written by the Anthony's and they are following it closely. I think they could have been better actors- getting more involved probably in the search probably would have a good touch. These are cold cold people. jmo

deep*fear

09-07-2008, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by emanondeeni

Yes, Cindy told Greta that they moved the plant so they could move this big storage box, that was next to the pool, into that space because Caylee was old enough to climb up onto the box and get into the pool. BUT, the big box next to the pool was still right next to the pool...it had not been moved into the newly vacated space. I thought that was odd. [/*]

With Caylee gone, there would be no need to move the box (except for other kids that may be able to get in the yard and climb)

CinTN

09-07-2008, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by Ckrdpast

more than one theory! [/*]

Dont we all have more than 1 ,, do you blame us,, can only go by what we have been told so far..

Carol25

09-07-2008, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by deep*fear

I don't know if this works

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=hopespring+orlando&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=60.116586,108.984375&ie=UTF8&ll=28.48578,-81.260011&spn=0.00414,0.006652&t=h&z=17 [/*]
Thank you, Deep*fear! Wouldn't you think, since Casey said she's close by that somehow they should look in there?

onedarksun

09-07-2008, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by jennyanydots
YES!! a voice of reason, tyvm! :D

Will someone post it if they hear for sure they are searching close to the Anthony home? I think they should be dredging the lake, but then again, I think it's as simple as finding an urn in their home. I believe George used that gasoline and it was in the trunk for a reason. [/*]

this morning a team of dogs and SAR were going to the property/woods behind the anthony house -

deep*fear

09-07-2008, 02:02 PM

And regarding the quarry, one could drive right next to the edge and pry a concrete block out of the trunk with a shovel and push the block into the quarry without lifting the entire weight of the block

WinnieLeigh7

09-07-2008, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by dixielover
30 days was along time to get rid of a body-grandparents went on vacation (assuming they drove), GA and his coolers everyday- this body could be anywhere and yes I do believe the whole family was involved. Always have! I also believe the script was written by the Anthony's and they are following it closely. I think they could have been better actors- getting more involved probably in the search probably would have a good touch. These are cold cold people. jmo [/*]

vacation...

i thought i heard that in the beginning, but then thought i misheard it and it was them stating casey was in jacksonville for some time...can't remember

when and where did cindy and george go on this 'vacation'

day2day

09-07-2008, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Dayyyyyyyyyyyyy Hey you..How's J?

I don't think Tim can get a warrant. Didn't Le already search that property? [/*]

****hugggggggs***...it is SO nice to see you!! She is growing like a weed! She has her own "farm"..chickens and rabbits and pups and kitties..and a sunflower garden! LOL..
I think of you and your family OFTEN!!

LE did search the backyard and the dogs hit there. I would hope that if Tim really wanted to search there that LE could/would help him?
I was reading some LE reports and it seems like even Cindy lied about the last time she saw Caylee -until they showed her a pic...
There has been so many lies told by these folks. I just don't know..

jmo

AJandTam

09-07-2008, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by trich
There is only one comment i have heard from the Anthony family that i think is true. I really believe George when he says (kidnappers) those responsible for Caylee's disappearance are being watched. Is that not a fox camera pointed directly at your house George

OMG that is good!!!! [/*]

OMG that was good. There are camera's pointed in that direction huh?

forensicnut

09-07-2008, 02:03 PM

Ckrdpast

09-07-2008, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by CinTN

Dont we all have more than 1 ,, do you blame us,, can only go by what we have been told so far.. [/*]

no cin im totally with you---my brain is a bit fuzzy right now---if you get a chance read this thread

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=339422

CinTN

09-07-2008, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by deep*fear

I don't know if this works

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=hopespring+orlando&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=60.116586,108.984375&ie=UTF8&ll=28.48578,-81.260011&spn=0.00414,0.006652&t=h&z=17 [/*]

Its not a quarry in the back yard, but a retention pond for run off,, they have searched it and found a few ditched cars that turned out to be stolen from al while back but nothing was found to go along with this case unfortunately

jmgos1

09-07-2008, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
FYI;

About the University of Tennessee Forensic Anthropology Facility commonly called the “body farm”

They have been doing a multi year study on the
gases/compounds given off when a human body decomposes. The reason Dr. Bass and his colleague’s are doing this study is so they can distinguish the difference between the gases given off when a human body decomposes and those of an animal.

Research has confirmed that dead human bodies give off more than 400 compounds. The subjects have been place in a number of locations; on the ground, buried in both shallow and deep graves, as well as one place in the trunk of a car. Their hope is that by quantifying what gases/compounds are given off they can do two thing; train dogs better as well as develop a hand held device that will be able to do what currently only cadaver dogs are able to do. [/*]

Thanks for this post. I have always had an interest in the Body Farm and have read a few books about it. If the BF says that there was human decom. in the trunk of the car, there was. PERIOD

AJandTam

09-07-2008, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by mattncats
This is my first post ever after reading message boards for years. So many things are so obvious about this case. Mainly, the chloroform. Come on, chloroform is not your average google search. The shovel, the gas cans, the trunk, etc. What I'm wondering is how did Cindy even know what a dead body smells like? Not too many people I know have ever smelled one, but they say it's something you'll never forget, or ever get the smell out of. That's all for now. [/*]

Welcome, Good first post. I"ll just add Cindy is a nurse, and ofcourse, I think most of us have smelled dead animals and know the smell.

WinnieLeigh7

09-07-2008, 02:07 PM

anybody...

when and where did george and cindy go on vacation

CinTN

09-07-2008, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Ckrdpast

no cin im totally with you---my brain is a bit fuzzy right now---if you get a chance read this thread

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=339422 [/*]

:beer: ITS ALL GOOD...

I will read thread the thread,, but then I have to scoot out for a bit,, the race is getting ready to start ..

GO JR !!! :tongue:

Ckrdpast

09-07-2008, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Barefooted

Hey ckrd-

Where do Tim and his immediate staff stay at night? I don't know why, but I imagine Tim in a motorhome during the nighttime. tia [/*]

i saw a big TOUR bus at the back of the command center and assumed it was his

trich

09-07-2008, 02:07 PM

I wish you had the link ... because I have been so curious to know how the body farm could detect human decomp. from an air test vs. other decomp. Most of their air testing has been performed with fish ... very rare for humans; but they knew the source when they were doing the air tests ... they weren't trying to determine the source, just the stage of decomp.

I remember reading that the Body Farm...had cadavors at the farm in all different stages of decomposition and that is how they do their research.
Surely they have done testing of air samples using those .
It is supposed to be a very reliable facility.
From what I have read/heard.

ccat

09-07-2008, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by jennyanydots
I truly do NOT believe they have searched that home from top to bottom and it frustrates me no end. I hope they do it and soon. I think that she is there. [/*]
Yes, and Casey said it, "She's close to home."

bluwaters

09-07-2008, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by mattncats
This is my first post ever after reading message boards for years. So many things are so obvious about this case. Mainly, the chloroform. Come on, chloroform is not your average google search. The shovel, the gas cans, the trunk, etc. What I'm wondering is how did Cindy even know what a dead body smells like? Not too many people I know have ever smelled one, but they say it's something you'll never forget, or ever get the smell out of. That's all for now. [/*]
Welcome mattncats :seeya:
I wish that I could believe that Caylee is alive. The evidence pointing to her death keeps mounting...

AJandTam

09-07-2008, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by onedarksun

if he (Tim) has reasonable cause - he can take it to LE and can't LE then get the warrant?

ckrdpast - you know I don't mind tagging - I think after yesterday we are past all the trivial stuff - [/*]

He definately could take his case to LE. Ofcourse, they are under guidelines too. It would depend on what kind of case he could make for the search, i'm sure.

KKKKKKatie

09-07-2008, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by WinnieLeigh7
anybody...

when and where did george and cindy go on vacation [/*]

IIRC the4y had a stay at home vacation...don't remember when it was but I think the week before Cindy found Casey???

beemeup

09-07-2008, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by mattncats
This is my first post ever after reading message boards for years. So many things are so obvious about this case. Mainly, the chloroform. Come on, chloroform is not your average google search. The shovel, the gas cans, the trunk, etc. What I'm wondering is how did Cindy even know what a dead body smells like? Not too many people I know have ever smelled one, but they say it's something you'll never forget, or ever get the smell out of. That's all for now. [/*]

Welcome mattncats. Yes u are right it is not any one single thing-it is the sum of it all. Keep posting. There are so many keen minds here. You will learn alot of insight from them as i have. I have only ever smelled 2 distinct odours that are seared in my mind forever-one being cancer and the other C-diff.

emanondeeni

09-07-2008, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie

IIRC the4y had a stay at home vacation...don't remember when it was but I think the week before Cindy found Casey??? [/*]

Cindy said (IIRC in her bond testimony) her vacation ended June 8th.

Chevalier

09-07-2008, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by CinTN

Its not a quarry in the back yard, but a retention pond for run off,, they have searched it and found a few ditched cars that turned out to be stolen from al while back but nothing was found to go along with this case unfortunately [/*]What? Now that's not a quarry behind the Anthony home? It's always been referred to as a quarry.

Are you confusing the quarry behind the Anthony home with the pond near the Anthony home that was searched as a part of LE training a few weeks ago? There were cars found in that pond. They said it was LE diving training that had previously been scheduled. They picked a certain pond near the Anthony home to kill two birds with one stone; look for Caylee and train divers all at the same time.

forensicnut

09-07-2008, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by Dunnie
Can I ask why they would need to search the attic if a body was decomposing there?

Sorry, but I'm not following that at all. :shrug: [/*]

It Caylee was wrapped in plastic and put in a plastic storage container, she could very well be "close to home" and placed in the attic.

Assuming that she is dead.

bluwaters

09-07-2008, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by Dunnie
No, I haven't read them yet. I'm still waiting for a trial, which I hope will happen eventually. But you never know.

I just don't have the time to read 400 pages of documents. I count on you good people to keep me up to date.

:seeya: [/*]

It really doesn't take that long. I would strongly recommend just a cursory scan of it, if nothing else. It is not the same as a 400 page novel.
As Cindy said herself - It's a good read.

WinnieLeigh7

09-07-2008, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie

IIRC the4y had a stay at home vacation...don't remember when it was but I think the week before Cindy found Casey??? [/*]

at home...

and around the same week the myspace postings occuried :confused:

:confused: this is my question mark since my shift key is broken lol

onedarksun

09-07-2008, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by the breeze

I think they meant Airport? When y ou said and i think it was you:D that you thought they were getting very close to bringing her home is that something they maybe was said yesterday at the search and you can't repeat it or is it just the way you feel. I too think Tim will bring her home:rose: [/*]

not sure Breeze but when we were there yesterday - they were going back to an area behind the parents home with the dogs -
this is an area that has been checked before - noot sure how many times but the dogs seem to indicate something back there - just not sure what -

Unperson1984

09-07-2008, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by impartial

Thanks.

When the original reports came out, the news reported "decomposition", then later "human" decomposition.

Has anyone from the Body Farm given an interview about their results?

Dragon is very familiar with the Body Farm, and took classes from Dr. Bass himself. He couldn't find anything either IIRC that showed the Body Farm could determine the source of their testing.

IMO [/*]

Unfortunately Dragon is no longer welcome in this forum, he was banned yesterday.

The link Chevalier posted cites another news story, but I can't find a quote or press release from the Body Farm in any article.

"The University of Tennessee "Body Farm" conducted the tests on the car's air samples Aug. 10, and on Wednesday their conclusion was released: a human corpse had been decomposing there, according to WESH-2 TV."

KKKKKKatie

09-07-2008, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by emanondeeni

Cindy said (IIRC in her bond testimony) her vacation ended June 8th. [/*]

thank you :)

AJandTam

09-07-2008, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by day2day

****hugggggggs***...it is SO nice to see you!! She is growing like a weed! She has her own "farm"..chickens and rabbits and pups and kitties..and a sunflower garden! LOL..
I think of you and your family OFTEN!!

LE did search the backyard and the dogs hit there. I would hope that if Tim really wanted to search there that LE could/would help him?
I was reading some LE reports and it seems like even Cindy lied about the last time she saw Caylee -until they showed her a pic...
There has been so many lies told by these folks. I just don't know..

jmo [/*]

They grow so fast, don't they. LTNS that's for sure.

I think Tim and Le could probably work out something. I'm just thinking LE already searched there and found nothing, so most likely she's not still on the property and most likely w/in a few mile radius of the home.

Ckrdpast

09-07-2008, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

He definately could take his case to LE. Ofcourse, they are under guidelines too. It would depend on what kind of case he could make for the search, i'm sure. [/*]

hi AJandTam

tim wouldnt have to TAKE his case to LE he would just have to turn a bit and hand it over thats how close the two entities seemed to be at least to me

hand in hand

GREAT TO SEE

MyrDawn

09-07-2008, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by Raven

Whoa!!! That is something I would expect to hear out of GA from his LE background, but not from Cindy.....do bodies just lie around, decomposing, at whatever facility she's worked for?

See that makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever to me. It's almost akin to her being the "spokesperson" for the family, GA helping Casey get rid of the body, etc. It's like they are all following a script to exonerate Casey for this unthinkable crime. [/*]

Not at the hospital where I worked. The body was taken to the morgue ASAP, where it awaited being picked up by the ME or funeral home.

WinnieLeigh7

09-07-2008, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by forensicnut

WHAT?!?!? Why?!? [/*]

lol that was my same response

deep*fear

09-07-2008, 02:16 PM

jmgos1

09-07-2008, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Dunnie
I agree with you. Whether or not it will stand up in court is a different matter. It's "new science". JMO. And the chain of custody for "air" could be very difficult to determine or "verify". How can you keep track of "air". [/*]

Not being funny but in a mason jar. DNA is still considered new science to any defense attorney.

Chevalier

09-07-2008, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by bluwaters

It really doesn't take that long. I would strongly recommend just a cursory scan of it, if nothing else. It is not the same as a 400 page novel.
As Cindy said herself - It's a good read. [/*]Besides that, a 400 page novel is nothing to get through.

kitty1182

09-07-2008, 02:17 PM

Does anyone know if the shed that the lock was broke on was searched by the dogs?

AJandTam

09-07-2008, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by Ckrdpast

hi AJandTam

tim wouldnt have to TAKE his case to LE he would just have to turn a bit and hand it over thats how close the two entities seemed to be at least to me

hand in hand

GREAT TO SEE [/*]

Hi Ckrdpast. Nice to see you.. Oh I agree that Le would help Tim in any way they could. Just saying that it's not that simple. Even Le has to follow legal procedures to get a search warrant.

KKKKKKatie

09-07-2008, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by dixie77

---------------

Does a dead animal smell like a dead body? I'm curious. thanks [/*]

no

Ckrdpast

09-07-2008, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Hi Ckrdpast. Nice to see you.. Oh I agree that Le would help Tim in any way they could. Just saying that it's not that simple. Even Le has to follow legal procedures to get a search warrant. [/*]

yup i understand and we are on the same page

:beer:

WinnieLeigh7

09-07-2008, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by dixie77

---------------

Does a dead animal smell like a dead body? I'm curious. thanks [/*]

REPOST FROM EARLIER TODAY

i'm going to be honest about the 'smell' theories, as well as try to offer some insight on decomp. and remains....sorry in advance for being too graphic....

as mentioned before, i participated in a search for the sister of a dear friend of mine through tes.

she was found in a very very shallow makeshift grave, slightly over 3 mths after the date she went missing.

her lower body was still in the grave and she was initially identified by a tattoo she had on her leg, indentification later confirmed through dental records.

her upper remains had been dug up by animals and there was no flesh left...bones had been scattered within the area.

once the le had left from gathering the remains and any evidence from the scene...

we went to the site, it was the following day...

this wasn't my idea btw, but i couldn't let my friend do it alone and i knew i couldn't stop her

anyway...

we were able to find the area by following the smell...

it's a very strong smell

however, with that said, and that being the only time that i have ever experienced something like that, i could not 100 percent confirm to you that if i were to 'smell' that again that i could say without doubt that it was the smell of human decomposition.

in fact, i drove past an area the other day and remember thinking omg that smells like 'someone died'...

and it did...BUT, that was just my statement...
it could have been an animal, i dunno...

it could have been anything...all i could tell you for sure is that something was rotting...literally.

day2day

09-07-2008, 02:23 PM

AJandTam

09-07-2008, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by dixie77

---------------

Does a dead animal smell like a dead body? I'm curious. thanks [/*]

Only once did I come in the vacinity of a dead body. That was a few years ago when they found a murdered homeless man behind a local business. And from what I could tell yes, I thought they smelled about the same.

bluwaters

09-07-2008, 02:24 PM

Demonstrators, Searchers Feel Emotionally Connected To Caylee

Record Number Of Volunteers Search For Girl

http://www.wesh.com/news/17413614/detail.html

This article says Casey was released from jail for the 3rd time? :confused:

Carol25

09-07-2008, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Raven

Ooohhh!! Excellent point Deep!! I guess I was just trying any old avenue to get some answers, unlike her relatives.

Here is what I am missing cuz I stayed off the boards for the past 3 months:

Somebody 'splain me why Cindy didn't inquire about Caylee's whereabouts when Casey was supposedly "on vacation"?

Why would an unemployed woman pay a babysitter if she could drop her daughter with her grandparents?

Why wouldn't Cindy say "I can take care of Caylee if you are on vacation?"

What excuse did Casey use when she showed up 4 days into her supposed vacation to dig up bamboo? Did these 2 never discuss Caylee during the time all this was on going?

I need somebody to catch me up cuz I only got bits and pieces of this from Joolz and Roytoy while on my board hiatus.

Anyone care to share? [/*]
Raven, I'll try to answer your questions. Cindy said she communicated with Casey alsmost daily through text messages or talking with her on the phone.
At that point in time Cindy and George were working during the day. At night they could babysit, but the fight had begun and Casey was keeping Caylee away from Cindy...since the 16th..the big fight was that weekend of Father's Day.
Casey didn't have anyexcuse for digging up the bamboo. She never said she did.

George said Casey came home on the 24th to pick up some clothes. She didn't have Caylee. (George had reported gas cans had been stolen from his shed about the 22nd) He told Casey he wanted in heer trunk to get something out of it. He found the gas cans...he says.

The car Casey used (Cindy's) was abandoned on June 27th. The towing C. picked it up on the 30th. C an G got it home on the 15 ( I think) of July. It smelled like a dead body had been it. They did not call LE, but tried to clean the trunk and items in the car that smelled.

You have probably been caught up with the forensics, cadaver dogs hitting in the back yard of the Anthonys and the chloroform in the car, so I won't go on. Hopes this helps.

deep*fear

09-07-2008, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by forensicnut

WHAT?!?!? Why?!? [/*]

Calling names is not allowed on this forum.

trich

09-07-2008, 02:26 PM

If this has been mentioned before I am sorry but...
does anyone know if the family has left the house and moved to another location?

I was just looking at the cam and although vehicles are going down the street I see nothing to signify any activity by the Anthonys .

forensicnut

09-07-2008, 02:26 PM

Here's a possible scenario:

As we know, Casey did drugs. The key ingredients in Methamphetamine are red phosphorus and Ether. When dry, it creates Chloroform.

So...is it possible that Casey was dealing and/or manufacturing drugs?

It would explain why "zanny" babysit for free (maybe in exchange for drugs), and it would explain her "not existing". I, unfortunately know that drug people usually "don't exist" on paper, anyway.

It would explain why Casey was Googling Chloroform and why there was a significant amount in her trunk.

It would explain the mysterious phone call with Lee about "meeting at the park." It sure sounded like a coded drug related call to me. And yes, I'll go get the transcript of that call and explain.

It would explain her stealing (most druggies do) and it would also explain why she could afford to live for years without a job.

And finally, it would explain her failure to report her daughter missing, if infact she was scared and threatened by druggies.

I hope I don't get banned for this. It's simply a theory.

:shrug:

WinnieLeigh7

09-07-2008, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by bluwaters
Demonstrators, Searchers Feel Emotionally Connected To Caylee

Record Number Of Volunteers Search For Girl

http://www.wesh.com/news/17413614/detail.html

This article says Casey was released from jail for the 3rd time? :confused: [/*]

3 bonds maybe :shrug:

desmom

09-07-2008, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by impartial

Thanks.

When the original reports came out, the news reported "decomposition", then later "human" decomposition.

Has anyone from the Body Farm given an interview about their results?

Dragon is very familiar with the Body Farm, and took classes from Dr. Bass himself. He couldn't find anything either IIRC that showed the Body Farm could determine the source of their testing.

IMO [/*]

I am trying to find an article I read when "The Body Farm" was first mentioned. It explained how they had pipes running through some of the bodies they could open and close to gather air samples during different periods of decomposition.

I will keep looking. I know I read it because my first thought was barf

AJandTam

09-07-2008, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Ckrdpast

yup i understand and we are on the same page

:beer: [/*]

Yep, I think so. It's nice to see folks talking nice about Tim again. He took alot of flack a few years ago during the NH case.

barskin&co.

09-07-2008, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by trich
If this has been mentioned before I am sorry but...
does anyone know if the family has left the house and moved to another location?

I was just looking at the cam and although vehicles are going down the street I see nothing to signify any activity by the Anthonys . [/*]

I should imagine that if the family moved, we would know something about it. With the terms of her home confinement, such a change would have to be approved by the court. And, how could a move like that have been made invisably to the surrounding media, protestors, etc.???

kakax

09-07-2008, 02:31 PM

Can murder be proved without a body? There are ways

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-murder0708sep07,0,931506.story

bluwaters

09-07-2008, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by BorderCollieMom

Does anyone know if LE ever MOVED the Playhouse and checked

what the conditions were UNDERNEATH it ????????? [/*]

Look at photo #46 in this slide show. It shows the playhouse moved and LE searching underneath it.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedImages/Stories/Local/CAYLEE%20BACK%20YARD.jpg

deep*fear

09-07-2008, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by forensicnut

Can I apologize on his behalf, even though I have no idea what he said and to whom. Slap him up a bit :punch: (then, run) and make him promise to behave....and get him allowed back in? Do you think CW would let us sign a petition to get him back? [/*]

good luck with that

kitty1182

09-07-2008, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by barskin&co.

I should imagine that if the family moved, we would know something about it. With the terms of her home confinement, such a change would have to be approved by the court. And, how could a move like that have been made invisably to the surrounding media, protestors, etc.??? [/*]

Someone would have seen the move I think..

Hi bar:seeya:

WinnieLeigh7

09-07-2008, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by forensicnut
Can someone PLEASE tell me why Dragon was banned? He is such an intelligent poster!

[/*]

apparently he called someone a moron, that's my understanding

:shrug:

ccat

09-07-2008, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by Miami Mania
Raven made a good point that I had never thought of, about Casey stopping by her home and borrowing a shovel from a neighbor when she was "supposed" to be on a vacation. Can't you just see the timeline charts in a courtroom on all of this?? [/*]

Yes, of course Cindy said she was removing bamboo.
Is Casey so compulsive that she has to interrupt her vacation in order to remove bamboo?

KKKKKKatie

09-07-2008, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by eours1949

I have several times, though my .last time was about a week ago, we had no power mon - fri due to Gustav.

JP Chatt & family - Isobel, PR

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom [/*]

IMO the FBI has been told about the PR allegation by Cindy...what makes you think they have not followed up on it?

WinnieLeigh7

09-07-2008, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by forensicnut
Can someone PLEASE tell me why Dragon was banned? He is such an intelligent poster!

Here's a possible scenario:

As we know, Casey did drugs. The key ingredients in Methamphetamine are red phosphorus and Ether. When dry, it creates Chloroform.

So...is it possible that Casey was dealing and/or manufacturing drugs?

It would explain why "zanny" babysit for free (maybe in exchange for drugs), and it would explain her "not existing". I, unfortunately know that drug people usually "don't exist" on paper, anyway.

It would explain why Casey was Googling Chloroform and why there was a significant amount in her trunk.

It would explain the mysterious phone call with Lee about "meeting at the park." It sure sounded like a coded drug related call to me. And yes, I'll go get the transcript of that call and explain.

It would explain her stealing (most druggies do) and it would also explain why she could afford to live for years without a job.

And finally, it would explain her failure to report her daughter missing, if infact she was scared and threatened by druggies.

I hope I don't get banned for this. It's simply a theory.

:shrug: [/*]

but none of that explains the dogs and decomp' evidence

kitty1182

09-07-2008, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by bluwaters

Look at photo #46 in this slide show. It shows the playhouse moved and LE searching underneath it.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedImages/Stories/Local/CAYLEE%20BACK%20YARD.jpg [/*]

I just noticed in that pic, that sure looks like a big grill with a cover on it..Wonder if it was checked?

Looks like a grill to me..:shrug:

forpsystudent

09-07-2008, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by Unperson1984

Unfortunately Dragon is no longer welcome in this forum, he was banned yesterday.

The link Chevalier posted cites another news story, but I can't find a quote or press release from the Body Farm in any article.

"The University of Tennessee "Body Farm" conducted the tests on the car's air samples Aug. 10, and on Wednesday their conclusion was released: a human corpse had been decomposing there, according to WESH-2 TV." [/*]

I have a link to the online version of what came out in the Journal of Forensic Science about the article you reference. I don't want to just stick it on here because I am ignorant of copyright laws. I have the article itself from my libe at school but I'm pretty sure that posting the actual article or snippets of it would be a copyright infringement but I don't know about posting a link to the online version. BTW access to the online version would, in all likelihood, entail a fee. Anyone know about copyrights, etc., and how I can help inform all of you without being banned? TIA in advance.

barskin&co.

09-07-2008, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie

IMO the FBI has been told about the PR allegation by Cindy...what makes you think they have not followed up on it? [/*]

I believe what Tim Miller believes. Caylee's remains are within a 3 mile radius of where he has his comand post. That alone is a difficult area to search, but the far most reasonable. The idea of "searching" PR, not to mention Texas and Mexico is ludicrous.

KKKKKKatie

09-07-2008, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by eours1949

Nothing.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom [/*]

then why keep asking about it? If the FBI has followed up and nothing has come out, it either didn't pan out or they are keeping it close to the vest.

forensicnut

09-07-2008, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by WinnieLeigh7

but none of that explains the dogs and decomp' evidence [/*]

I really question the dog evidence. I just do.

Isn't the decomp evidence only preliminary? I mean, I'm not totally discounting it, but I've heard that meth labs/chemicals actually smell worse than a dead body. And, I wonder how many people who have smelled dead bodies have also smelled Meth labs? Maybe, just maybe, they smell alike.

I'm no chemist or scientist, but I'm wondering seriously about the "decomp smell" and the body farm air samples.

Guess it's just such a new type of forensic evidence and I don't know much about it.

Also, I LOVE to play Devil's advocate.

Ckrdpast

09-07-2008, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Yep, I think so. It's nice to see folks talking nice about Tim again. He took alot of flack a few years ago during the NH case. [/*]

tim is an angel--because im still having major brain freeze--its hard for me to convey

i thought highly of him -- when i saw him on the media---after meeting and talking to him...

his ratings in my book----went thru the roof

Motomom

09-07-2008, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie

IIRC the4y had a stay at home vacation...don't remember when it was but I think the week before Cindy found Casey??? [/*]

Well they also were away around june 22 to the 24th weren't they? Thats when the gas cans were reported gone.

forensicnut

09-07-2008, 02:43 PM

I wonder too.

Also, I just want to throw this in....Meth is a highly poisonous drug. Especially to children.

Question: If Casey is already being charged with Felony child endangerment and they find out that Caylee died from a drug overdose, would she still qualify for an accidental homicide charge?

Maelstrom5

09-07-2008, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by Dunnie
But, see that is so irrelevant to this case. The trunk was "exposed". What car is air tight that you know of? Those forensics won't fly with a jury. Can easily be blown out of the water as junk science unless they had the trunk airtight with uncontaminated pipes blowing air into a bottle. It just won't work. Maybe later, but not now. JMO.

But if they have true forensics, DNA, hair with the black band around it which is proven to be Caylee's, then that's a whole different ball game.

JMO. [/*]

Not necessarily Dunnie. If the fluid in the car was from a decomposing body it would continue to give off gases regardless of the car being airtight or not and would continue to do so for some time. I agree with you that this will be challenged in court but what weigh the jury places on it has yet to be determined.

Remy

09-07-2008, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by impartial

I'm talking specifically about the "air tests" ... the Body Farm themselves indicate that the air tests have been performed mostly on fish.

I know about their testing on bodies. And that is my point, they have bodies they are testing on ... they know the source from which they are doing their tests.

Here, they are trying to determine the source itself from an air sample, and I haven't been able to find from the Body Farm itself how they would determine the source as human decomposition from animal decomposition.

IMO [/*]

Hi Impartial,
It's been a long time since I went to vet school but animals do not decompose at the rate of humans and the chemical composition is completely different.

I'm a vet, not a pathologist, but Univesity of Guelph and Colorado U should have info on large animal decomp. I'll try and find links.

The weirdest thing for me in this case is that I worked at a 24/7 Vet emerg clinic and I never had to help someone get their injured or deceased pet from a trunk. They were always in the car, backseat etc no matter how badly injured. MOO

WinnieLeigh7

09-07-2008, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by forensicnut

I really question the dog evidence. I just do.

Isn't the decomp evidence only preliminary? I mean, I'm not totally discounting it, but I've heard that meth labs/chemicals actually smell worse than a dead body. And, I wonder how many people who have smelled dead bodies have also smelled Meth labs? Maybe, just maybe, they smell alike.

I'm no chemist or scientist, but I'm wondering seriously about the "decomp smell" and the body farm air samples.

Guess it's just such a new type of forensic evidence and I don't know much about it.

Also, I LOVE to play Devil's advocate. [/*]

casey didn't run a meth lab...

people that do meth labs...omg....

well, let's just say it's pretty obvious

dunno what it smells like though, but i wouldn't imagine 'chemicals' of meth smell the same as rotting human flesh

and i don't think the body farm is just a big nose in the sense it sniffs and saids oh that is decomp, chloroform, etc.

i think it actually breaks down the chemical composition and then states what it is...scientifically....i think, but i don't know this for sure...

and my friends call me the master--debator hahaha :seeya:

GrannyB

09-07-2008, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by Motomom

Well they also were away around june 22 to the 24th weren't they? Thats when the gas cans were reported gone. [/*]

Do we know where they went?

BorderCollieMom

09-07-2008, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by Anakerie

Yes. I remember seeing video from the helicopters that showed LE moving the playhouse and then picking up the pavers that are under it. [/*]

thanks for replying.

Joan Weiss

09-07-2008, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by forensicnut

I wonder too.

Also, I just want to throw this in....Meth is a highly poisonous drug. Especially to children.

Question: If Casey is already being charged with Felony child endangerment and they find out that Caylee died from a drug overdose, would she still qualify for an accidental homicide charge? [/*]Negligent homicide would be my guess, but what do I know? :shrug:

AJandTam

09-07-2008, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by Ckrdpast

tim is an angel--because im still having major brain freeze--its hard for me to convey

i thought highly of him -- when i saw him on the media---after meeting and talking to him...

his ratings in my book----went thru the roof [/*]

I think he is a good man as well. He isn't doing this for fame and fortune IMHO, he's been through his own personal ordeal w/his daughter.

Chevalier

09-07-2008, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by dixie77

-----------------

Late last nite, all the vehicles left and the house was in total darkness. We all found it odd. We thought that maybe Casey was moved earlier in the day. [/*]Yep, then the web cam got stuck on that poor Fox 35 reporter who stood in the street with his mic for what must have been hours and hours and hours. With the cam stuck on Mr. Reporter, we couldn't see if/when the cars returned.

OneUp

09-07-2008, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by Carol25
Have any of you ever heard of Dr. Andrew Hodges? He's involved in forensic psychiatry. He uses thoughtprint decoding and is based upon the subconscious mind wants to reveal secrets.

He wrote Into the Deep about the Holloway case. Anyway, With all that Cindy has said and casey with her lies, I'd like to know if he's working on this case and adding to the puzzle. He reads between the lies and gets to the meanings. Very well known. [/*]I'd love to see what he had to say as well Carol. I do believe that what is and IS NOT being said tells a careful observer a great deal. It is a fact that the human mind, if burdened by guilt, will attempt to give clues to others to relieve the burden...we all know of criminals who have made silly mistakes and seem to "want" to be caught.
For a normal psyche, there is only so long one can live with either guilt or denial. IMO, George and Cindy are both nearing capacity on one or the other ( prob. a mix of both IMO.). I WISH they would do the proactive thing and save themselves by getting professional help and coming clean. Whether coming clean meant facing the truth themselves or revealing it to LE. Either they KNOW or they suspect and the longer they avoid, the worse the long term damage to themselves...their marriage...their children even.
I seriously feel concern every day that one or the other will harm themselves or another through a violent outburst created by the inability to cope with this. Facing aloss like that is nearly unbearable...I cannot imagine the damage caused by trying to hide from facing it.
JMO.

KKKKKKatie

09-07-2008, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by Maelstrom5

Not necessarily Dunnie. If the fluid in the car was from a decomposing body it would continue to give off gases regardless of the car being airtight or not and would continue to do so for some time. I agree with you that this will be challenged in court but what weigh the jury places on it has yet to be determined. [/*]

also...if the chloroform in the air was from a spill in the trunk and they can prove it....that would back up the air samples IMO

forpsystudent

09-07-2008, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by deep*fear

Thanks, I must have confused that with where I *wanted* them to search at the time (the lake/pond at Blanchard Park) [/*]

deep*fear:

The cadaver dogs, there were two as I'm sure you'll recall, each reacted at the same spot in the backyard. IIRC this spot was not the playhouse but a spot on the left side of the backyard just this side of the fence. It was near the pool hence the theories about drowning that inevitably followed. What backs up to (or is on the other side of) the Anthony's backyard fence is that quarry and retention pond. Maybe the dogs were prevented by the fence from going further out into that area. IMO, LE was struck by the fact that the two cadaver dogs hit on the trunk of Casey's car and they focused on that and didn't follow up on the area behind the Anthony's backyard. Hope all of that helps some. This is what I remember of the backyard search. I don't have time right now to dig for the link, sorry, so I'll just say it is JMO.

Regina.Lampert

09-07-2008, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by forensicnut

I really question the dog evidence. I just do.

Isn't the decomp evidence only preliminary? I mean, I'm not totally discounting it, but I've heard that meth labs/chemicals actually smell worse than a dead body. And, I wonder how many people who have smelled dead bodies have also smelled Meth labs? Maybe, just maybe, they smell alike.

I'm no chemist or scientist, but I'm wondering seriously about the "decomp smell" and the body farm air samples.

Guess it's just such a new type of forensic evidence and I don't know much about it.

Also, I LOVE to play Devil's advocate. [/*]

Once again cadaver dogs are trained to hit on the chemicals released from a decompsing body. Those chemicals are specifically cadaverine and putrescine. Not bleach, ammonia, acetain, chloroform or any other chemical used in making meth.

So, to recap we have two separate dogs hitting, a lead detective saying it's deomposition, the victim's grandparents saying it smelled like a dead body, Mr. Birk at the tow yard saying it smelled of decomposition and the results from the high tech instrument from the Body Farm. Plus hair samples said to be from a dead body.

I don't know about you, but that's enough for me to believe there was a dead body in that trunk at some point.

day2day

09-07-2008, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by Dunnie
But, see that is so irrelevant to this case. The trunk was "exposed". What car is air tight that you know of? Those forensics won't fly with a jury. Can easily be blown out of the water as junk science unless they had the trunk airtight with uncontaminated pipes blowing air into a bottle. It just won't work. Maybe later, but not now. JMO.

But if they have true forensics, DNA, hair with the black band around it which is proven to be Caylee's, then that's a whole different ball game.

JMO. [/*]

Dunnie
Do you think that the FBI just makes things up. Like Caylees hair with the black band? I am pretty sure they are telling the truth.
It is wayyyyyyyyyy past time that the Anthony's STOP doing interviews, STOP putting up tape and cameras ..and tell LE where this littleone is.

jmo!

desmom

09-07-2008, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by Dunnie
But, see that is so irrelevant to this case. The trunk was "exposed". What car is air tight that you know of? Those forensics won't fly with a jury. Can easily be blown out of the water as junk science unless they had the trunk airtight with uncontaminated pipes blowing air into a bottle. It just won't work. Maybe later, but not now. JMO.

But if they have true forensics, DNA, hair with the black band around it which is proven to be Caylee's, then that's a whole different ball game.

JMO. [/*]

I hated biology in school.

IMO, If The Body Farm can report their findings about decomposing gases in the car, they can also explain how long it would take for the decomposing gases to dissipate.

st777jo

09-07-2008, 02:51 PM

Does anyone know about Casey's clothes while she was gone for a month? I thought I read or heard she didn't take anything personal of Caylee's. Just wondering if any of her friends have clothing and where she washed any she had with her? Or where she kept any while gone from home?

kitty1182

09-07-2008, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by Remy

Hi Impartial,
It's been a long time since I went to vet school but animals do not decompose at the rate of humans and the chemical composition is completely different.

I'm a vet, not a pathologist, but Univesity of Guelph and Colorado U should have info on large animal decomp. I'll try and find links.

The weirdest thing for me in this case is that I worked at a 24/7 Vet emerg clinic and I never had to help someone get their injured or deceased pet from a trunk. They were always in the car, backseat etc no matter how badly injured. MOO [/*]

Whne my boxer died at the vets 2 yrs. ago, I bought her home in the back seat..Had to wait almost 3 hrs. for hubby to get home so we could bury her..I never smelled her..

KKKKKKatie

09-07-2008, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by GrannyB

Do we know where they went? [/*]

they stayed at home

forensicnut

09-07-2008, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by WinnieLeigh7

casey didn't run a meth lab...

people that do meth labs...omg....

well, let's just say it's pretty obvious

dunno what it smells like though, but i wouldn't imagine 'chemicals' of meth smell the same as rotting human flesh

and i don't think the body farm is just a big nose in the sense it sniffs and saids oh that is decomp, chloroform, etc.

i think it actually breaks down the chemical composition and then states what it is...scientifically....i think, but i don't know this for sure...

and my friends call me the master--debator hahaha :seeya: [/*]

How do you know that she didn't run a meth lab? :confused:

On 20/20...they interviewed an old boyfriend of Casey's, who didn't want his name mentioned. He has a very pock mark type complexion, with red markings. Kind of made me think of how some drug users complexions look. Then again, I don't know him. But, that was my initial thought. Bad as it is.

Bluegal

09-07-2008, 02:51 PM

Anthony house looks completely deserted. They all must be staying in a 'safe house' somewhere. If that is the case, I think it was a huge mistake. It is my opinion that if she had to endure the stress of protesters & media outside the home, maybe... just maybe... she'd crack.

Unperson1984

09-07-2008, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by forpsystudent

I have a link to the online version of what came out in the Journal of Forensic Science about the article you reference. I don't want to just stick it on here because I am ignorant of copyright laws. I have the article itself from my libe at school but I'm pretty sure that posting the actual article or snippets of it would be a copyright infringement but I don't know about posting a link to the online version. BTW access to the online version would, in all likelihood, entail a fee. Anyone know about copyrights, etc., and how I can help inform all of you without being banned? TIA in advance. [/*]

Thanks!

Is the article about the results from the car in this case? I'm pretty sure you can post a link to the article.

Joan Weiss

09-07-2008, 02:53 PM

tiny paw-prints

09-07-2008, 02:54 PM

:eek: More added yellow tape on the "easement" site of the Anthony residence. Why is that small and insignificant patch of grass more important to the Anthony family than pleading with the kidnappers to return Caylee alive for the $325,000 reward?

I would really like to know. Thank you.

WinnieLeigh7

09-07-2008, 02:54 PM

barskin&co.

09-07-2008, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by Unperson1984

Seems plausible to me, she must have generated some income to makes her parents believe she was working.

I have wondered if Caylee's father could have been giving her some money each month. [/*]

Here is Lee Anthony on Casey's expenses:
"My sister doesn't have a car payment. My mom pays her cell phone bill. She doesn't pay any rent while living here (at her parents' Orlando house). My sister doesn't have any bills. The only bills she has is if she goes out, goes out to eat, things like that. And if you're my sister's boyfriend, you're probably paying for everything for my sister anyway."

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=01293445794*22F7*598*45555485DCB ?contentId=7064873&version=20&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

And let's not forget her other form of income, embezelling other people's bank funds to the tune of thousands of dollars.

Regina.Lampert

09-07-2008, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by Remy

Hi Impartial,
It's been a long time since I went to vet school but animals do not decompose at the rate of humans and the chemical composition is completely different.

I'm a vet, not a pathologist, but Univesity of Guelph and Colorado U should have info on large animal decomp. I'll try and find links.

The weirdest thing for me in this case is that I worked at a 24/7 Vet emerg clinic and I never had to help someone get their injured or deceased pet from a trunk. They were always in the car, backseat etc no matter how badly injured. MOO [/*]

Sad thing is that most of us would treat our furry animals better then this mother apparently treated her little babygirl.

forensicnut

09-07-2008, 02:55 PM

Joan Weiss

09-07-2008, 02:55 PM

WinnieLeigh7

09-07-2008, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints
:eek: More added yellow tape on the "easement" site of the Anthony residence. Why is that small and insignificant patch of grass more important to the Anthony family than pleading with the kidnappers to return Caylee alive for the $325,000 reward?

I would really like to know. Thank you. [/*]

did the reward increase

someone else donate

AJandTam

09-07-2008, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

Once again cadaver dogs are trained to hit on the chemicals released from a decompsing body. Those chemicals are specifically cadaverine and putrescine. Not bleach, ammonia, acetain, chloroform or any other chemical used in making meth.

So, to recap we have two separate dogs hitting, a lead detective saying it's deomposition, the victim's grandparents saying it smelled like a dead body, Mr. Birk at the tow yard saying it smelled of decomposition and the results from the high tech instrument from the Body Farm. Plus hair samples said to be from a dead body.

I don't know about you, but that's enough for me to believe there was a dead body in that trunk at some point. [/*]

:seeya: me too. I think there definately was a body in there.

impartial

09-07-2008, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by Joan Weiss
Any idea where Casey could/would run a meth lab? Seems to me she had a problem finding a place to live. imo [/*]

She was going somewhere for 2 years when she said she was off to work.

IMO

Chevalier

09-07-2008, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by Barefooted

Somebody posted that they thought the FBI had placed bugs in the house, possibly when the special shades were put up. I hadn't heard about special shades, but with the lights from the media trucks aimed right at the house, I imagine some pretty decent shades would be necessary. I dunno. And if they are necessary, what would the FBI have to do with putting them up???? No links so if this is just rumor, so be it. I think it sounds hinky anyway but maybe somebody knows and can verify. tia. [/*]Not shades. A blackout material was put on the windows to block light from getting in while they did their tests.

Boxer

09-07-2008, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by kitty1182

Whne my boxer died at the vets 2 yrs. ago, I bought her home in the back seat..Had to wait almost 3 hrs. for hubby to get home so we could bury her..I never smelled her.. [/*]

:rose: Molly-one hellofa girl...

I think it must take a while and depending on conditions. I work with a part time deputy who recently had to go on a well check that ended up being a death. The guy had passed while watching television and had been there at least two days if not three. My friend said the odor was bad but it's summer and it was hotter than hades here.

kitty1182

09-07-2008, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

Sad thing is that most of us would treat our furry animals better then this mother apparently treated her little babygirl. [/*]

Right!! I left Molly in the back seat till hubby got home..I covered all her body except for her head and I sat with her and cried..I would not leave her, not even in death..

dreamtime

09-07-2008, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by forensicnut

How do you know that she didn't run a meth lab? :confused:

On 20/20...they interviewed an old boyfriend of Casey's, who didn't want his name mentioned. He has a very pock mark type complexion, with red markings. Kind of made me think of how some drug users complexions look. Then again, I don't know him. But, that was my initial thought. Bad as it is. [/*]
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I thought that old boyfriend was JG. I think he just had a former bad case of acne. Maybe some new acne problems.
Although that can be a sign of meth users, he was not thin,
or have that 'hollow look' so many have.

I just don't think Casey ran a meth lab. I don't think she liked working that much. It would be much easier for her to keep stealing friends money, checks, parents credit cards, etc.

Anakerie

09-07-2008, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by Barefooted

I have heard that once a house is used as a meth lab, it can never be safe to live in again and the smell does not go away.
A real bummer if you are a landlord who rents your place to bad people who turn the house into a meth lab, I bet.

I wonder if ether and chloroform smell similar? [/*]

A few years ago, I lived in an apartment complex in Sacramento. One night a couple months after I moved in, I was woke up by a policeman pounding on my door. They were evacuating the entire complex because they found a meth lab in one of the apartments a few doors down from mine. After the Haz-Mat guys got done with the apartment, the owner of the complex had to completely strip that unit of everything right down to the studs in the wall. They also had to do the same to the 2 apartments on either side. Months later after much rebuilding in those units, they got Haz-Mat clearance to re-rent those apartments. The owners had to replace everything in the 3 units.

I doubt very much if chloroform smells anything like a meth lab.