Friday Night Discussion...September 5th

[FrankieBones1]

A new thread is needed soon so this is it. When the other one hits 1,000 posts come over here.

[nutterbutter]

Originally posted by FrankieBones1
A new thread is needed soon so this is it. When the other one hits 1,000 posts come over here. [/*]
Thank you Fankiebones

[starbright]

Originally posted by FrankieBones1
A new thread is needed soon so this is it. When the other one hits 1,000 posts come over here. [/*]


Thanks FB1. Whatcha' think about all this mess?


:seeya:

[ginky41]

Here. :patriot:

[MoonFlwr]

Sanks, Frankie! :)

[bluwaters]

Please Light a Candle for Caylee

click any unlit candle to start.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose:

Thanks Frankie! :seeya:

[FrankieBones1]

IttyBitty: I hope you don't mind me bringing your post over here. It was a great recap.


Little Bitty
Senior Member

Registered: Jul 2008
Location: Houston
Posts: 1268
It appears as though the Anthony's put their house on collateral for the bond for Casey...jmo...as per NG.
Out in front of Anthony home. Baez is still there. Protesters still there. Police are there to keep things under control. Protesters say they will search in the morning and be back at the Anthony home when searching hours are over.
Why is Casey out of jail wonders NG? Let out said DE because of Constitutional rights. That there may have been someone else involved.
Caller is wondering about the Anthony home perhaps being used as collateral and how Casey kept bragging that the home would be hers at some point.
Premeditation can be formed at any time...
DE thinks that maybe the chloroform was used for clean up. NG thinks that this search for chloroform by Casey was more than just for a premeditated clean up.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by ratched
Again, nurses do NOT have any more access to obscure, ancient anesthetic agents any more than the GP does. AAMOF, it seems like chloroform is more readily available to the GP than nurses via the internet.

Sorry but this makes me as crazy as all the posters who figured Melanie McGuire cut up her H just because she was a nurse. I never took body carving 141 in school either. [/*]

You didn't :eek:

LOL sorry...couldn't resist. I agree....it isn't just hanging around places anymore

[n/t]

Can someone post a link to the cam on this thread please. :o

[FrankieBones1]

Originally posted by starbright



Thanks FB1. Whatcha' think about all this mess?


:seeya: [/*]
It all just blows my mind. It's like a bad movie.

[Oregongal]

Thanks for the new thread Frankie.
Seems the crowd is thinning now.

[jammies]

NG over....looks like the protesters are dispersing.

[bluwaters]

Originally posted by n/t
Can someone post a link to the cam on this thread please. :o [/*]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

[Kelly3820]

I am wonering if they want Casey relocated to some sort of safe house. I am hoping for a rearrest but I don't think so not yet anyway.

[msgatorslayer]

Gators all confused.:tongue:

[CNTM]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

[n/t]

TY Frankie and blu.

Is NG over? Anything new we didn't know about?

[KKKKKKatie]

If the protesters are going to search tomorrow they better get their kids to bed. They have to be there at 6:30

:rolleyes:

[StickyBeak]

I am still sickened that the Judge did not appoint a guardian for Caylee. It makes sense to me since her mother is charged with neglect. Who is in charge of the Caylee Trust Fund people donated to? Also this am I believe the (child abuse) team met with CA regarding abuse filings, Who is standing up for Caylee's rights. Another poster said there would be no Guardian Ad Liam, why not?

JMO :shrug:

[ginky41]

Okay...I want to know what everyone thinks. Do you think they have enough evidence to go after Princess yet? Are they just waiting to see if they can perhaps "bolster" their case? It makes me super-sick to think they don't have enough against her yet.

[Snewpy]

Evening everyone .. I've been out of touch a couple days - actually my husband "fixed" my computer.. which means it was screwed up for the past two days... grrr..

Seems like a lot has happened.. reading like a madman to catch up.. so CA's back at the house and Cirque de So-liar is about to begin again?

[CNTM]

Looks like they put a filter on the cam to reduce some of the glare.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

[OneUp]

I still have yet to hear any direct explanation of what Constitutional rights of Caseys have been violated. She was bonded within the rights of the law according to the charges she faces. When bond was posted, she got out ( both times, and with little delay), she seems to have been treated decently in jail.
:shrug:
I don't get where any right has been violated. I have heard some squawk that her bond was too high for the charges, but as it is within the legal limits how can that be? Can someone be MORE negligent than outright "losing" their child and not reporting it for 30 days?...a child who is STILL missing over two months in...I can see many circumstances of negligence being less drastic, but not any greater.
I'd really like an explanation of the rights violation. Please K.I.S.S. for the benefit of the simple (me) and the busy.
TY in advance!

[Barbara fl.]

Originally posted by Little Bitty
Hello. :seeya: Glad to get off a long thread. TOO much stuff to sift through.

Still watching the cam and I see the crowd is growing. Wonder why Jose is there unless he is expecting a re-arrest. Just curious. Or maybe it is brownie and cookie night. How much does Casey truly need to talk to this guy? maybe we are coming up with a plausible excuse for the chloroform and searches for it on the computer. Casey is a pool cleaner...Casey uses it to develope film...Casey is just interested in the chemical breakdown of chloroform for no reason in particular. Or she is a clone. the real Casey is out there with Caylee and Juliette and Tom Manley and jeff hopkins and ofcourse the lady of the moment Zanny. Geez. One can only suspend disbelief so far..before it looks like a unicorn. [/*]


Maybe tehy are preparing for the movie deal that was talked about. This whole thing is really getting under my skin..

First Drew Peterson walks because there is no body and this (&^%#$@$) is going to walk because they can not find a body...This really sends a message out to all the murderers. If this half wit (Casey) can get away with murder, you can just imagine what other murderers will do.


May God be with Caylee..:rose:

[concernedmom]

Wonder if Baez is holding and cuddling Casey cause shes :chicken: ?

[bchand]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie
If the protesters are going to search tomorrow they better get their kids to bed. They have to be there at 6:30

:rolleyes: [/*]

Isn't that ridiculous. It burns me up to see that one little girl standing out there this time of night. (Being there at all actually.)

[n/t]

Did the protestors leave? I see 6 and 2 are kids.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by ratched
Again, nurses do NOT have any more access to obscure, ancient anesthetic agents any more than the GP does. AAMOF, it seems like chloroform is more readily available to the GP than nurses via the internet.

Sorry but this makes me as crazy as all the posters who figured Melanie McGuire cut up her H just because she was a nurse. I never took body carving 141 in school either. [/*]

:lol: Thank you. I believe you. I've been saying that all day.

[nannigranni]

Originally posted by ratched
Again, nurses do NOT have any more access to obscure, ancient anesthetic agents any more than the GP does. AAMOF, it seems like chloroform is more readily available to the GP than nurses via the internet.

Sorry but this makes me as crazy as all the posters who figured Melanie McGuire cut up her H just because she was a nurse. I never took body carving 141 in school either. [/*]

Some of us thought she cut him up - because it was HER luggage and was 'skillfully' done. Someone w/o medical training would probably had done a real amatuerish job. But, its in the past - she's where she belongs. But you know what is similar in these two cases - did you see the 'self' videos Melanie did of herself during the trial? Narcississtic, vain, totally devoid of emotion. Is that a sociopathic thing? Because Casey displays it as well. Its like --ok - time for a manicure, time to talk with my BF. Just no sense of reality.

[jammies]

Originally posted by Snewpy
Evening everyone .. I've been out of touch a couple days - actually my husband "fixed" my computer.. which means it was screwed up for the past two days... grrr..

Seems like a lot has happened.. reading like a madman to catch up.. so CA's back at the house and Cirque de So-liar is about to begin again? [/*]



LOL :D

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by ginky41
Okay...I want to know what everyone thinks. Do you think they have enough evidence to go after Princess yet? Are they just waiting to see if they can perhaps "bolster" their case? It makes me super-sick to think they don't have enough against her yet. [/*]

I don't know what to think! :(

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by ginky41
Okay...I want to know what everyone thinks. Do you think they have enough evidence to go after Princess yet? Are they just waiting to see if they can perhaps "bolster" their case? It makes me super-sick to think they don't have enough against her yet. [/*]

ginky, I'm thinking they may have enought evidence but are possibly waiting for a body. Even tho they don't need one, I think with this case they want everything they can possibly have.

[PpleWatcher]

The one child is sitting on the shoulders like this is some sort of Ballgame or concert!

[FrankieBones1]

Originally posted by n/t
TY Frankie and blu.

Is NG over? Anything new we didn't know about? [/*]
I caught the tail end. Something about a fight between protesters and supporters. Then Leonard told Nancy's viewers that he believes that Casey told Lee what happened and then Lee told Cindy. This was after the lab report came back. Leonard also believes that no one told George and he was left out of the loop as usual.

Again, Leonard was guessing.

[jewel6]

Originally posted by ginky41
Okay...I want to know what everyone thinks. Do you think they have enough evidence to go after Princess yet? Are they just waiting to see if they can perhaps "bolster" their case? It makes me super-sick to think they don't have enough against her yet. [/*]

If they arrest her on misdemeaners she will just post bond and get out again! i think they are building a good case! JMO

[Takotna]

Bringing this over.........

Originally posted by Joan Weiss
Gosh, that's a good question. I know nothing about flies and chloroform.

The guy on the phone with NG said the trunk would be air tight, and does that mean the chloroform wasn't released until the trunk was aired? He said there wouldn't be any oxygen in the BOTTOM of the trunk, where the chloroform rag would be.

Geeze, I think this question needs answering. imo [/*]



Thanks for looking at that -

My G'pa used to kill hornets with chloroform and would put it on their nests. My G'pa said it even killed the eggs. I don't know if this is true - but it makes me think no flies would have developed in a trunk with significant levels of chloroform

It seems most are assuming the chloroform was in the trunk when it was abandoned - I think it was put there after G picked it up. IMO

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by ratched


Maybe I took it after the class "How to poison a person without leaving forensic lab values" 231.

Really people give nurses far too much "credit" for knowing the "right way" to maim and kill.

We're no better at it than the average Jolene. [/*]

your making me giggle! :)

And I totally agree with you!

[FrankieBones1]

Originally posted by PpleWatcher
The one child is sitting on the shoulders like this is some sort of Ballgame or concert! [/*]No kidding. They look like a bunch of red necks. Any idea of what's written on their signs?

[Shellberry]

hey everyone-just getting in today to actually be able to post--anything happen???

I have the live cam up on their house--omg, why is that little child standing out there?!?!?


chkrdpst!- I thought I had a pm from you, but it isnt there in my box!
heading to the search thread

[nannigranni]

Originally posted by OneUp
I still have yet to hear any direct explanation of what Constitutional rights of Caseys have been violated. She was bonded within the rights of the law according to the charges she faces. When bond was posted, she got out ( both times, and with little delay), she seems to have been treated decently in jail.
:shrug:
I don't get where any right has been violated. I have heard some squawk that her bond was too high for the charges, but as it is within the legal limits how can that be? Can someone be MORE negligent than outright "losing" their child and not reporting it for 30 days?...a child who is STILL missing over two months in...I can see many circumstances of negligence being less drastic, but not any greater.
I'd really like an explanation of the rights violation. Please K.I.S.S. for the benefit of the simple (me) and the busy.
TY in advance! [/*]

Can't you tell? Those appear to be words right from Cindy's mouth....its her style of talking, its her rigtheous indignation, like how dare you arrest my daughter in my own home? How dare the sheriff do this or that....like he owes her an apology. Its the entitlement thing to which Cindy feels she has.

[Joan Weiss]

Originally posted by Little Bitty
Hello. :seeya: Glad to get off a long thread. TOO much stuff to sift through.

Still watching the cam and I see the crowd is growing. Wonder why Jose is there unless he is expecting a re-arrest. Just curious. Or maybe it is brownie and cookie night. How much does Casey truly need to talk to this guy? maybe we are coming up with a plausible excuse for the chloroform and searches for it on the computer. Casey is a pool cleaner...Casey uses it to develope film...Casey is just interested in the chemical breakdown of chloroform for no reason in particular. Or she is a clone. the real Casey is out there with Caylee and Juliette and Tom Manley and jeff hopkins and ofcourse the lady of the moment Zanny. Geez. One can only suspend disbelief so far..before it looks like a unicorn. [/*]Yea, I agree about Baez. I think he was afraid of another deja vu moment like last time. imo

[PpleWatcher]

Originally posted by FrankieBones1
No kidding. They look like a bunch of red necks. Any idea of what's written on their signs? [/*]
No, sorry.

[n/t]

Originally posted by ginky41
Okay...I want to know what everyone thinks. Do you think they have enough evidence to go after Princess yet? Are they just waiting to see if they can perhaps "bolster" their case? It makes me super-sick to think they don't have enough against her yet. [/*]

I'm glad you asked. I have 2 thoughts.

1) No they don't have enough and that's why they haven't slapped her with murder charges yet.

2) They're waiting for Baez to make the first move on the speedy trial and in the meantime gathering as much evidence as possible including perhaps finding Caylee's body.

[Joan Weiss]

Originally posted by nannigranni


Can't you tell? Those appear to be words right from Cindy's mouth....its her style of talking, its her rigtheous indignation, like how dare you arrest my daughter in my own home? How dare the sheriff do this or that....like he owes her an apology. Its the entitlement thing to which Cindy feels she has. [/*]didn't you love the sheriff's response?

He's doing his job. I could feel his anger. imo

[Carol25]

Did one of the attorneys say something about cleaning the trunk with chloroform? How would Casey know about that? Like she's an expert on cleaning, anyway.

The only one knowing about that would be George....

[FrankieBones1]

Originally posted by Little Bitty


thanks Bones. I try. I use to summarize trial depos...when I was in my internship during law school. I was so hoping for something shocking tonite on NG. Last week could not be topped. NG shouldn't have gone on vacation...usually they don't keep going back to the house like that...she (NG) missed the once and a life time window for live television circus last Friday. [/*]For sure. Jane Valez Mitchell came up smelling like a rose.

[Joan Weiss]

Originally posted by Carol25
Did one of the attorneys say something about cleaning the trunk with chloroform? How would Casey know about that? Like she's an expert on cleaning, anyway.

The only one knowing about that would be George.... [/*]I don't think the first thing that would spring to mind to clean would be chloroform. imo

[concernedmom]

Originally posted by jennyanydots
Hey OG it looks like most are very young. Not serious "protesters" to me. they could at least search this weekend if they are serious about helping. If I could I would be there. but in my heart, I know I want thier house scoured with luminol. Cindy is the one who said a "cleaning agent" had been in that car; and Im sure it was after the fact and intentional. I dont think that Casey used Chloro on her kid. I just dont feel it; am not feeling this in my gut. [/*]

Some of them are going to search tomorrow then comeback and protest.

[Barbara fl.]

Originally posted by ginky41
Okay...I want to know what everyone thinks. Do you think they have enough evidence to go after Princess yet? Are they just waiting to see if they can perhaps "bolster" their case? It makes me super-sick to think they don't have enough against her yet. [/*]


No, I don't think thay have enough evidence and that is why they keep throwing things out there in hope that Casey will confess. IF, they had any real evidence they would have made the arrest already. Just like in the Drew Peterson case, they kept saying what they had and they never made an arrest. It's rediculous that with just her lying and her child missing for so long should, in my eyes, be enough. But it's not...

And, as someone just said on the Nancy Grace show. Why arent the Anthony's joining in the search for Caylee? could it be they already know the truth? I would never give up the search if I truly believed my daughter...I guess Caylee will just be forgotten about and never receive a proper burial....Sad, sad, sad

[jewel6]

Originally posted by Joan Weiss
I don't think the first thing that would spring to mind to clean would be chloroform. imo [/*]

You just made me laugh! My favorite is clorox clean up! :D

[SandyO]

I believe today is George's birthday. They can't even go out for dinner. Some birthday, huh?

[ginky41]

Originally posted by n/t


I'm glad you asked. I have 2 thoughts.

1) No they don't have enough and that's why they haven't slapped her with murder charges yet.

2) They're waiting for Baez to make the first move on the speedy trial and in the meantime gathering as much evidence as possible including perhaps finding Caylee's body. [/*]

So, if a body is not found, what do you see happening?

[n/t]

Originally posted by FrankieBones1

I caught the tail end. Something about a fight between protesters and supporters. Then Leonard told Nancy's viewers that he believes that Casey told Lee what happened and then Lee told Cindy. This was after the lab report came back. Leonard also believes that no one told George and he was left out of the loop as usual.

Again, Leonard was guessing. [/*]

Thanks. Yeah guessing like we are. I wonder why he would guess they left George out.

[nc1948]

Originally posted by jammies
NG over....looks like the protesters are dispersing. [/*]

I don't see but 5 protesors. Is that correct.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Carol25
Did one of the attorneys say something about cleaning the trunk with chloroform? How would Casey know about that? Like she's an expert on cleaning, anyway.

The only one knowing about that would be George.... [/*]

it's just a way out thing to use to clean....not the first thing that pops into my head when I need to clean a smell out of something and not something most ppl have on hand :shrug:

[concernedmom]

Originally posted by SandyO
I believe today is George's birthday. They can't even go out for dinner. Some birthday, huh? [/*]

Caylee didnt get to have her party either.
They chose to bring her home.

[jewel6]

Originally posted by SandyO
I believe today is George's birthday. They can't even go out for dinner. Some birthday, huh? [/*]

The one to blame is casey. JMO :cuss:

[Takotna]

Originally posted by Joan Weiss
I don't think the first thing that would spring to mind to clean would be chloroform. imo [/*]


Maybe that's why there were computer searches. :shrug:

[CNTM]

Originally posted by SandyO
I believe today is George's birthday. They can't even go out for dinner. Some birthday, huh? [/*]

Fine birthday gift from his daughter, huh?:flamemad:

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by n/t


Thanks. Yeah guessing like we are. I wonder why he would guess they left George out. [/*]

his temper?

[Joan Weiss]

Originally posted by Takotna
Bringing this over.........





Thanks for looking at that -

My G'pa used to kill hornets with chloroform and would put it on their nests. My G'pa said it even killed the eggs. I don't know if this is true - but it makes me think no flies would have developed in a trunk with significant levels of chloroform

It seems most are assuming the chloroform was in the trunk when it was abandoned - I think it was put there after G picked it up. IMO [/*]Oh, that's interesting about the hornets. I really know nothing about that, except that your g'pa was a very brave man!

I like those 10 foot sprays, lol..

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by StickyBeak
I am still sickened that the Judge did not appoint a guardian for Caylee. It makes sense to me since her mother is charged with neglect. Who is in charge of the Caylee Trust Fund people donated to? Also this am I believe the (child abuse) team met with CA regarding abuse filings, Who is standing up for Caylee's rights. Another poster said there would be no Guardian Ad Liam, why not?

JMO :shrug: [/*]



The Trust fund is looked after by a Lawyer that the Anthony's have used previously, (maybe also a friend) I have to search for a link

[Carol25]

Earlier in this case, many of us were assuming Casey was drugging Caylee with xanax. If that was taking xanax away from their highs (I don't know that, it seems it would just put people asleep), then maybe they would use chloroform.

But if she used that regularly, would it cause burns like said earlier?

[Leeann1313]

Originally posted by FrankieBones1
A new thread is needed soon so this is it. When the other one hits 1,000 posts come over here. [/*]

Thanks Frankie....altho I'm not posting a whole lot tonite I am here reading.

[spiritwolf46]

Originally posted by SandyO
I believe today is George's birthday. They can't even go out for dinner. Some birthday, huh? [/*]

This is not towards you, but IMO, he is having one more birthday than Caylee will ever have again.

I don't really care that he is is stuck in the house with the princess. What goes around comes around and if he cannot go out to dinner, he may want to think about a little angel that cannot even come home.

:rose: For CAYLEE

Edited for sloppy typing.

[ginky41]

Originally posted by n/t


Thanks. Yeah guessing like we are. I wonder why he would guess they left George out. [/*]

He said "left out, as usual" like it's a habit or something. I'm guessing it's */c George hasn't been around as much lately. Can't say I blame him.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by nc1948


I don't see but 5 protesors. Is that correct. [/*]

3 adults and 2 kids it looks like to me...Fox has turned the light out so they should be leaving soon

[summer4meplz]

Originally posted by n/t
TY Frankie and blu.

Is NG over? Anything new we didn't know about? [/*]

no, i don't think so, but i wanted to comment about the change in nancy's demeanor, especially last night, and especially towards Tim....i don't think she meant to come off as rude as she did, was it ,monday? maybe she watched her own show after reading the landslide of negative comments from her viewers...

looking forward, to the home movies....take notes....see ya at 10

[jewel6]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


his temper? [/*]

Yea thats was my first thought too! He was very congenial at first and at the end he was loosing it! JMO

[OneUp]

I am not watching any cams, I am listening to Nancy...are there really folks protesting with their CHILDREN?:eek: That's horrifying! I'm not a fan of the protestig by a long stretch ( it's a waste and rude to boot IMO), but couldn't the police or someone step in and advise them that they MAY not want to be seen on Television carting their kids around in a screaming brawl?
It's just horrid, poor babies!
I do get that people are all worked up, but there is a time and a place for adult issues seperate from the company of children. That is as bad as that poor child who was being chatted up by Casey a week ago. That is one thig keeping me from heading to my FIL's in Florida and helping search...that I would be leaving my teen here, and taking Baby on searches...not the best choice for her IMO. I certainly have a place to stay and the time, but I can't see searching with Bella in the baby Bjorn!
Even after all the terrible and dumb parents I have met over the years, I still find parents who have new ways to disturb me.
JMO.

[Joan Weiss]

Originally posted by Takotna



Maybe that's why there were computer searches. :shrug: [/*]Nah, the car was picked up the next morning, there wouldn't have been time to order it.

Oh, are you talking about before the car was abandoned?

Geesh, a defense attorneys cornucopia. imo

[irishkel]

Originally posted by ratched
Again, nurses do NOT have any more access to obscure, ancient anesthetic agents any more than the GP does. AAMOF, it seems like chloroform is more readily available to the GP than nurses via the internet.

Sorry but this makes me as crazy as all the posters who figured Melanie McGuire cut up her H just because she was a nurse. I never took body carving 141 in school either. [/*]

I am a nurse also, I couldn't agree with you more. I even e-mailed Jamie Floyd during the trial. Of course I got no response. I was never taught to cut up a body, a chicken yes, but no body.

[n/t]

Originally posted by ginky41


So, if a body is not found, what do you see happening? [/*]

Hard to say considering we don't know what else they have. If and I say if, they only have what has been released, it's not enough to go to trial.

That being said, I believe they have a lot more than they're saying but CE is risky. Finding Caylee's body will get a definite conviction.

[jmgos1]

Originally posted by ginky41


So, if a body is not found, what do you see happening? [/*]

They can still charge her with murder. I know of a couple of cases where there was a conviction without a body.

[Joan Weiss]

Originally posted by OneUp
I am not watching any cams, I am listening to Nancy...are there really folks protesting with their CHILDREN?:eek: That's horrifying! I'm not a fan of the protestig by a long stretch ( it's a waste and rude to boot IMO), but couldn't the police or someone step in and advise them that they MAY not want to be seen on Television carting their kids around in a screaming brawl?
It's just horrid, poor babies!
I do get that people are all worked up, but there is a time and a place for adult issues seperate from the company of children. That is as bad as that poor child who was being chatted up by Casey a week ago. That is one thig keeping me from heading to my FIL's in Florida and helping search...that I would be leaving my teen here, and taking Baby on searches...not the best choice for her IMO. I certainly have a place to stay and the time, but I can't see searching with Bella in the baby Bjorn!
Even after all the terrible and dumb parents I have met over the years, I still find parents who have new ways to disturb me.
JMO. [/*]I agree. WTH is the matter with people? Imo, children should be left out of stuff like that, they're busy being children. imo

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by OneUp
I am not watching any cams, I am listening to Nancy...are there really folks protesting with their CHILDREN?:eek: That's horrifying! I'm not a fan of the protestig by a long stretch ( it's a waste and rude to boot IMO), but couldn't the police or someone step in and advise them that they MAY not want to be seen on Television carting their kids around in a screaming brawl?
It's just horrid, poor babies!
I do get that people are all worked up, but there is a time and a place for adult issues seperate from the company of children. That is as bad as that poor child who was being chatted up by Casey a week ago. That is one thig keeping me from heading to my FIL's in Florida and helping search...that I would be leaving my teen here, and taking Baby on searches...not the best choice for her IMO. I certainly have a place to stay and the time, but I can't see searching with Bella in the baby Bjorn!
Even after all the terrible and dumb parents I have met over the years, I still find parents who have new ways to disturb me.
JMO. [/*]

ITA!!!! You are where you need to be. Kids have no business being dragged into this mess!

:rose: for you!

[Carol25]

Originally posted by jennyanydots
Proving who looked it up online, could be a challenge. :shrug: It's of my opinion that the experts are right, casey isnt that smart. [/*]
I have been off this a lot, did they say it's used in making meth?

[OneUp]

Originally posted by nannigranni


Can't you tell? Those appear to be words right from Cindy's mouth....its her style of talking, its her rigtheous indignation, like how dare you arrest my daughter in my own home? How dare the sheriff do this or that....like he owes her an apology. Its the entitlement thing to which Cindy feels she has. [/*]
:confused: I really MUST be dumb, because I have no idea how this answered my queestion about what rights Casey has had violated?
Help!?

[CNTM]

Originally posted by Lyndawitha"Y
Sorry guys...my typos are bad.I go back and theres a dozen posts after mind..why bother correct spelling errors..ni wonder CW cant monitor this toic??LOL

Anyway.in advance i want to apologize for any typos I make at this hour!!Its hard on a laptop..
Dont think ZANNY would have access to Casey's car trunk??Hummmmm

LMS [/*]

lol I hate typing on mine also! Thank goodness for backspace!:seeya:

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by ginky41


He said "left out, as usual" like it's a habit or something. I'm guessing it's */c George hasn't been around as much lately. Can't say I blame him. [/*]

He says he feels sorry for him, lol.

So, he's witnessed how things go down in the house. Casey and Baez throw down in a room all by themselves while Cindy cooks dinner. And poor George - must be sitting back watching the Food Network.

No tension in the house? Everyone just carrying on like nothin is up?

:confused:

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Carol25

I have been off this a lot, did they say it's used in making meth? [/*]

I did read that earlier today Carol

[bchand]

Originally posted by nc1948


I don't see but 5 protesors. Is that correct. [/*]

On that side of the street yes and maybe they'll go home now that the lights are off them.

[summer4meplz]

Originally posted by SandyO
I believe today is George's birthday. They can't even go out for dinner. Some birthday, huh? [/*]

i guarantee he will have a better time than Caylee had on hers...

[summer4meplz]

Originally posted by msgatorslayer


He says he feels sorry for him, lol.

So, he's witnessed how things go down in the house. Casey and Baez throw down in a room all by themselves while Cindy cooks dinner. And poor George - must be sitting back watching the Food Network.

No tension in the house? Everyone just carrying on like nothin is up?

:confused: [/*]

is lee there, does anyone know?

[kitty1182]

Originally posted by Joan Weiss
I agree. WTH is the matter with people? Imo, children should be left out of stuff like that, they're busy being children. imo [/*]

I so agree, but at least these kids don't have "zanny" for the babysitter.;)

[ginky41]

Originally posted by n/t


Hard to say considering we don't know what else they have. If and I say if, they only have what has been released, it's not enough to go to trial.

That being said, I believe they have a lot more than they're saying but CE is risky. Finding Caylee's body will get a definite conviction. [/*]

I'm terrified they won't find a body for a couple of reasons:
1) Everyone (Cindy, Casey, etc) seem pretty cockly - like perhaps they're not worried about a body being found?
2) Hearing about the conditions in FL, weather, foliage, crocs, etc., it seems highly likely that it might be (dare I say it?) EASY to dispose of a body?
3) She did have at least 31 days to cover her tracks.
4) It seems as though Blanchard park and the "airport" are the only real areas of interest.

Again, I realize that we only have a piece of the puzzle at this point, there could be a lot out there that we don't know and I hope there is. I just can't stand the thought that this princess could walk.

[bchand]

Originally posted by SandyO
I believe today is George's birthday. They can't even go out for dinner. Some birthday, huh? [/*]

How true SandyO. I'll bet this isn't how Mrs. Baez likes to spend her Friday nights either.


eta: to change Is to Isn't

[Fallen Angel]

I slept through NG did i miss anything big?

[Joan Weiss]

Originally posted by n/t


Hard to say considering we don't know what else they have. If and I say if, they only have what has been released, it's not enough to go to trial.

That being said, I believe they have a lot more than they're saying but CE is risky. Finding Caylee's body will get a definite conviction. [/*]There you go, n/t, that's it in a nutshell. :cool:

[VC2]

bringing this over:

Joan Weiss
Senior Member

Registered: Jul 2008
Location: In my garden
Posts: 3468

quote:
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Originally posted by Takotna


No problem -

Joan, I really trust you with this question....(because of my promise about George...)

As I was reading the docs, the part about the flies jumped out at me.

If there were significant levels of chloroform in the trunk -
(IMHO) there would be NO FLIES to fly out of the trunk.

My conclusion - the chloroform was introduced to the trunk after G got it home. "chloroform is a cleaning agent" - Cindy.

What do you think? Thanks. [/*]
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Gosh, that's a good question. I know nothing about flies and chloroform.

The guy on the phone with NG said the trunk would be air tight, and does that mean the chloroform wasn't released until the trunk was aired? He said there wouldn't be any oxygen in the BOTTOM of the trunk, where the chloroform rag would be.

Geeze, I think this question needs answering. imo


__________________

Trunks are not air tight, depends on the car, it would have to be brand new and even then its rare that there is not some cracks and space to the rest of the car or to the outside underneath. At least space that bug can get in.

imo

i still don't think it was a boatload of chloroform in that car, what a forensic lab calls significant amts and what we call significant is different. Nancy grace makes it sound like they found cups of it in there, while in reality it could have been a mg or less. It is only significant in terms of what the word is being used in relation to.

For example significant amount of cyanide .2 grams, enough to kill an average man and a 1/4 gram would also likely be significant if there was nothing else to explain it.

Just remember whenever nancy says "lots" or makes anything sound huge, to take it with a grain of poison.

[jewel6]

Originally posted by summer4meplz


is lee there, does anyone know? [/*]

I beleive his car is in the drive or was that jose?

[irishkel]

Originally posted by ratched


I know one thing we would excell at; we could chart the HELL out of the crime! :beer: [/*]

Lol:D

[spiritwolf46]

Originally posted by Fallen Angel
I slept through NG did i miss anything big? [/*]

How are you doing, Fallen?

:rose:

[OneUp]

Originally posted by house


Probably her right to a fair trial. Because of the media and the poisoning of the atmosphere against her by unsubstantiated leaks by LE. Robert Blake appealed (unsuccessfully) the judgment against him in the civil trial, claiming he couldn't get a fair trial because he is a celebrity. :rolleyes: [/*]TY for answering. I agree with the :rolleyes: !
If she didn't want the notoriety, maybe she should have suggested that Cindy shut it!...Not that I think ANYONE could effect that change, but it would help. Most of the worst things out there were made to look even worse by the lame attempts to explain them away.
Now, how does bonding her out "correct" that wrong? Getting her out and having her hole up in her room incommunicado doesn't seem to be increasing her standings in the popularity poll!
JMO.

[Joan Weiss]

Originally posted by kitty1182


I so agree, but at least these kids don't have "zanny" for the babysitter.;) [/*]Not many do, thank goodness. :(

[kitty1182]

Originally posted by summer4meplz


i guarantee he will have a better time than Caylee had on hers... [/*]
AMEN!!

[Elle]

Originally posted by Takotna
Bringing this over.........





Thanks for looking at that -

My G'pa used to kill hornets with chloroform and would put it on their nests. My G'pa said it even killed the eggs. I don't know if this is true - but it makes me think no flies would have developed in a trunk with significant levels of chloroform

It seems most are assuming the chloroform was in the trunk when it was abandoned - I think it was put there after G picked it up. IMO [/*]

That is a really good point. How would the flies have survived being in there? Didn't it state in the docs somewhere that when the trunk was opened a bunch of flies flew out? How? Would that mean the chloroform was put in the trunk after it left the impound lot?

imo, moo

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by jewel6


I beleive his car is in the drive or was that jose? [/*]

it was reported to be Jose...Lee was there earlier this afternoon tho

[spiritwolf46]

Originally posted by house


:lol: :lol:

And, according to Casey, Zanny and Sam brought their kids to the kidnapping. [/*]

Along with a script

[Fallen Angel]

Originally posted by spiritwolf46


How are you doing, Fallen?

:rose: [/*]ok i guess.....thank you for asking.

[ginky41]

Originally posted by jewel6


I beleive his car is in the drive or was that jose? [/*]

Baez.

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by house


Probably her right to a fair trial. Because of the media and the poisoning of the atmosphere against her by unsubstantiated leaks by LE. Robert Blake appealed (unsuccessfully) the judgment against him in the civil trial, claiming he couldn't get a fair trial because he is a celebrity. :rolleyes: [/*]


I think the problem some people are having is that Casey was bonded out per her right and then when she was arrested again, they thought LP pulled the bond, it was the sureity(sp?)company but who ever it was didn't did it for a good reason. They think they did it because they now think she's guilty and that is not what bond is about. jmo

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Fallen Angel
I slept through NG did i miss anything big? [/*]

Sent you {{{HUGS}}} earlier...wanted to send it again!

[kitty1182]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


it was reported to be Jose...Lee was there earlier this afternoon tho [/*]

If I were jose's wife, he would start coming home some..:rolleyes:

[spiritwolf46]

Originally posted by Fallen Angel
ok i guess.....thank you for asking. [/*]

You are very welcome.

[jmgos1]

Originally posted by Elle


That is a really good point. How would the flies have survived being in there? Didn't it state in the docs somewhere that when the trunk was opened a bunch of flies flew out? How? Would that mean the chloroform was put in the trunk after it left the impound lot?

imo, moo [/*]


interesting, no wonder George and Cindy lawyered up.

[summer4meplz]

Originally posted by Elle


That is a really good point. How would the flies have survived being in there? Didn't it state in the docs somewhere that when the trunk was opened a bunch of flies flew out? How? Would that mean the chloroform was put in the trunk after it left the impound lot?

imo, moo [/*]

i second that ...obviously the chloroform had to be put in the trunk afterwards...part of the cleaning up.....

[nc1948]

Crowd is getting bigger again. What is going on?

[Fallen Angel]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


Sent you {{{HUGS}}} earlier...wanted to send it again! [/*]Ty so much Katie,.......Huggggggggs


While i was sleeping did they charge Casey with anything?

[Velouria]

Originally posted by ginky41


He said "left out, as usual" like it's a habit or something. I'm guessing it's */c George hasn't been around as much lately. Can't say I blame him. [/*]

Agreed.

I still feel quite a bit of sympathy for George, although I think he is "fudging" about the gas cans and the dates he last saw Casey with Caylee. I can't help but recall the early days of the investigation - that clip of him and Cindy leaving the courthouse and his pleas for her to be quiet. Bet you that's been the dynamic between them for a long time now.

[OneUp]

Originally posted by Blackbird
George and Cindy and Lee could have gone out for George's birthday....had Cindy not been such a delusional media hound.

Casey is the only one confined to the house. [/*]
:shrug: They could always order in a pizza. I think breadsticks are free...
I never said I was a "nice" girl, a decent person...but not necessarily "nice".
JMO.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by StickyBeak
I am still sickened that the Judge did not appoint a guardian for Caylee. It makes sense to me since her mother is charged with neglect. Who is in charge of the Caylee Trust Fund people donated to? Also this am I believe the (child abuse) team met with CA regarding abuse filings, Who is standing up for Caylee's rights. Another poster said there would be no Guardian Ad Liam, why not?

JMO :shrug: [/*]

That was me StickyBeak, and I explained it in a post I made about 9:30 this morning on the morning thread. I asked a co-worker of mine, who IS a GAL in Florida, her opinion. First off, an attorney has to request that a GAL be appointed. A judge cannot appoint one on his own. I don't think I addressed that in my post. First off, Caylee is missing and presumed dead for about 11 weeks now I think? I know this will sound harsh, but my friend said that GALs are stretched very, very thin...they are volunteers. They will be appointed first for children who are HERE AND NOW, and needing immediate help. As far as Caylee's rights, she said that the mother has been charged with child neglect already. LE is investigating into Caylee's disappearance and trying to find her. Not sure what more anyone can do at this point, especially a GAL?

I don't know about the trust fund. Is that fact that one was set up that way? Also, I did not hear that a child abuse team met with CA re abuse. Do you have a link for that? I know that DCF (or whatever it's called) was there at the jail, but we don't know for what reason......I hadn't heard for any abuse charges.

The way it was explained to me by this GAL (who, as I said, is a GAL in our state of Florida), the likelihood of one being appointed for Caylee, in this situation, is pretty nil. I can understand all that she told me about this.

[Fallen Angel]

Originally posted by Blackbird


If I were Jose's wife he'd be bringing a Motion to be Relieved as Counsel! [/*]same here :beer:

[VC2]

Originally posted by irishkel


I am a nurse also, I couldn't agree with you more. I even e-mailed Jamie Floyd during the trial. Of course I got no response. I was never taught to cut up a body, a chicken yes, but no body. [/*]

totally o/t but since there are nurses here..how the HECK do you get a stuck needle of an iv line? already stabbed myself once with the cap coming off and the needle going through my finger. Is there a nurses trick or something...and yes i have undone the plastic holder on the end.

[kitty1182]

Originally posted by Blackbird


If I were Jose's wife he'd be bringing a Motion to be Relieved as Counsel! [/*]





:beer: :beer:

[MoonFlwr]

[i]




__________________

Trunks are not air tight, depends on the car, it would have to be brand new and even then its rare that there is not some cracks and space to the rest of the car or to the outside underneath. At least space that bug can get in.

imo

i still don't think it was a boatload of chloroform in that car, what a forensic lab calls significant amts and what we call significant is different. Nancy grace makes it sound like they found cups of it in there, while in reality it could have been a mg or less. It is only significant in terms of what the word is being used in relation to.

For example significant amount of cyanide .2 grams, enough to kill an average man and a 1/4 gram would also likely be significant if there was nothing else to explain it.

Just remember whenever nancy says "lots" or makes anything sound huge, to take it with a grain of poison. [/*]

VC2,
Good point....about the relativity of the words "significant amounts of chloroform"!

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Fallen Angel
Ty so much Katie,.......Huggggggggs


While i was sleeping did they charge Casey with anything? [/*]

No :mad:

[spiritwolf46]

Originally posted by Blackbird



nooooooooooo

keep this family away from pizza!

save the pizza!

pizza has gotten such a bad rap in this case! [/*]

You aren't kidding! I have a hard time eating it now! :cuss:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by ratched
I can't imagine if there was that much chloroform in the car, that the driver wouldn't be at a HUGE risk of dropping off. Are trunks that airtight? [/*]

Speaking of "that much chloroform"....something is very peculiar about this. It seems when this news first broke we heard "suspicious amounts," then "significant amounts," then the next day all of a sudden it was "trace amounts".......now tonight on NG all of a sudden it's this HUGE HUGE HUGE amount of vaporized chloroform. So what is it? I do think she tends to exaggerate. :shrug: Secondly, I thought I heard her mention these findings were from BOTH the FBI as well as the Body Farm tests. I never heard that before tonight. I thought the results were only from the FBI.

Sorry but I've caught NG many times in giving out "facts" that were not "fact," so I'm dubious right now.

[Fallen Angel]

Originally posted by dixie77
Padilla said that Casey told Lee the truth and that Lee told Cindy. Not sure about George. He said he thinks thats what happened. [/*]omg i'm so glad i taped NG......is that where he said it?

[Tessie]

Originally posted by IdolHands
Bringing this over... It appears there is some rumbling about the Anthony's POSSIBLY taking money from a Caylee fund to post bond???

I don't think they put up ANY CASH

IdolHands
Member

Registered: May 2008
Location:
Posts: 753
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Anthony's posted the bonds

quote:
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Originally posted by jewel6


Yes they are responsible for the debt. jMO [/*]
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Ok so someone else lays the money down and the Anthony's assume the responsibility if she should happen to flee... it's their debt. Thx.


__________________ [/*]



http://www.wftv.com/news/17393803/detail.html

They say CA & GA and someone else posted bond.

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by Elle


That is a really good point. How would the flies have survived being in there? Didn't it state in the docs somewhere that when the trunk was opened a bunch of flies flew out? How? Would that mean the chloroform was put in the trunk after it left the impound lot?

imo, moo [/*]

That is a good question.

I'm still perplexed that this, of all things, has been found in this case. Who thinks of this unless you just watched a movie where a scary figure slaps a cloth over someones mouth?

And I never knew that you could, or would, use it for cleaning purposes. With the cost associated with it, WHY would ya? lmao

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Speaking of "that much chloroform"....something is very peculiar about this. It seems when this news first broke we heard "suspicious amounts," then "significant amounts," then the next day all of a sudden it was "trace amounts".......now tonight on NG all of a sudden it's this HUGE HUGE HUGE amount of vaporized chloroform. So what is it? I do think she tends to exaggerate. :shrug: Secondly, I thought I heard her mention these findings were from BOTH the FBI as well as the Body Farm tests. I never heard that before tonight. I thought the results were only from the FBI.

Sorry but I've caught NG many times in giving out "facts" that were not "fact," so I'm dubious right now. [/*]

I agree SS...we just don't know! I guess this is another one we have to wait for *sigh*

[n/t]

Originally posted by ginky41


I'm terrified they won't find a body for a couple of reasons:
1) Everyone (Cindy, Casey, etc) seem pretty cockly - like perhaps they're not worried about a body being found?
2) Hearing about the conditions in FL, weather, foliage, crocs, etc., it seems highly likely that it might be (dare I say it?) EASY to dispose of a body?
3) She did have at least 31 days to cover her tracks.
4) It seems as though Blanchard park and the "airport" are the only real areas of interest.

Again, I realize that we only have a piece of the puzzle at this point, there could be a lot out there that we don't know and I hope there is. I just can't stand the thought that this princess could walk. [/*]

I agree. Finding her little body will be almost impossible especially if she was disposed of by some of the ways speculated on this board.

If she was burried, there still may be a chance of locating her skeletal remains.

:(

[anon-o-miss]

Originally posted by Joan Weiss
I don't think the first thing that would spring to mind to clean would be chloroform. imo [/*]
True enough, but maybe through whomevers research, or prior knowledge, they found out and or knew that it is used to extract dna. Knowing it is a cleaning agent and used to extract dna , maybe someone thought if they cleaned up with that it would get rid of the dna.:shrug:

[Joan Weiss]

Originally posted by SandyO
I believe today is George's birthday. They can't even go out for dinner. Some birthday, huh? [/*]That makes me feel bad. Probably no money to go out, either.

Happy birthday, George. :rose:

[OneUp]

Originally posted by Blackbird



smoke and mirrors.

I can not think of one instance in this matter where Casey's rights (constitutional or otherwise) have been violated.

1. She was properly arrested and charged. Bail was set pursuant to the Criminal Code.

2. She was warned and told, as is everyone in jail, that their telephone conversations are monitored and taped.

3. She was bailed out of jail and fitted with a monitoring device and pursuant to the Criminal Code, allowed to return to her home with the proper restrictions.

4. She was properly arrested and charged last week with the economic charges. Her lawyer and others were making a big deal over the fact that the cops did not ask him to bring her in, but instead chose to go to the house and arrest her in public. It was their right to do so. They are not required under any kind of code to "make a deal" for an arrest.


5. She was bonded out again, and properly returned home, with the monitoring device again.

6. Any information or evidence released in this case has either been pursuant to the Freedom of Information act or in the interest of public policy and safety. [/*]TY BlackBird!...(like the Song!:) ...I like it!).
I didn't see any violations either, but others were going on at one time about her bond being exhorbitant, but they do have parameters, right? so the judge just chose the amount he wanted within the legal limits...whats wrong with that? She was being an uncooperative Butt! I would have stuck on the highest bond the law allowed just because she was sitting there clammed up like a mushroom fermenting in her own Bee Ess.
JMO.

[Sharmayla]

Hey - they're on the lawn now!

[jmgos1]

I suppose that LE took dirt samples from Casey's car tires. Could that also be why the area by the airport is where the main search is?

[ginky41]

Originally posted by Fallen Angel
omg i'm so glad i taped NG......is that where he said it? [/*]

Yes.

Just heard about your news.

:patriot: My prayers are with you and your family.

[spiritwolf46]

Originally posted by n/t


I agree. Finding her little body will be almost impossible especially if she was disposed of by some of the ways speculated on this board.

If she was burried, there still may be a chance of locating her skeletal remains.

:( [/*]

Darn n/t and Ginky. I sure pray that they can locate that little girl and bring her home. What hell this little one has been through.

:rose: for CAYLEE

[Nellie]

Originally posted by n/t


I'm glad you asked. I have 2 thoughts.

1) No they don't have enough and that's why they haven't slapped her with murder charges yet.

2) They're waiting for Baez to make the first move on the speedy trial and in the meantime gathering as much evidence as possible including perhaps finding Caylee's body. [/*]

I don't know. Look how much they had on SP and they still let him wander around. They only took him in when they realized he was ready to skip the country.

I think it's the same in this case. They have "enough evidence", but are in no hurry and if delaying can mean they'll have little Caylee's body, they're willing to wait.

[Fallen Angel]

Originally posted by dixie77

----------------

Yes on NG towards the end of the program. [/*]TY Dixie

[jammies]

Originally posted by Dragon


:eek:

It's also used for DNA extraction!

Double :eek:

What a coincidence that they were trying to extract DNA from a stain in the trunk?

Hmmm..... [/*]



Dr. Perper? Is that you?? :D

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by dixie77

----------------

Yes on NG towards the end of the program. [/*]

I think it was just Padilla making a wild guess, flapping his mouth. How would HE know? He even said he was just guessing.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by MicheleL


Maybe the grandparents are the ones who
researched and used the chloroform ..

Maybe LE will charge them for obstructing the
investigation and with-holding information .. :shrug: [/*]

This whole thing makes my head hurt hammer

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by FrankieBones1

It all just blows my mind. It's like a bad movie. [/*]



Exactly!
I don't watch too many slasher movies so the last one I remember was Friday the 13th but this whole mess reminds me of that. Everytime you thought the villian (Freddy?) was dead he would pop back up. JMO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by jmgos1
I suppose that LE took dirt samples from Casey's car tires. Could that also be why the area by the airport is where the main search is? [/*]

I think that area is being searched due to its proximity to the cell towers which serviced the calls Casey made that day.

I wonder if the "dirt" samples matched the sand from Caylee's sandbox or the Anthonys' backyard?

[FrankieBones1]

Originally posted by Fallen Angel
I slept through NG did i miss anything big? [/*]It replays again in a half hour from now and will go up against 20/20's special on this case. I'll be flipping back and forth. It sounds like Nancy's show was chockful of excitement.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by jennyanydots
and so about now; my mind goes back to that horrible statment that Cindy A made. About the heat in FL that week, and the horrible smell in that trunk. And the evil and hating way she said it. She was covering then; this has been going on for many many weeks. I hope that LE charges; and I hope they are bugged an already caught on tape. What we did hear enough of leads to to not many conclusions.
Mom YOU dont know MY invovlement in this?
Arrested on a Whim
Saw your Cameo Today Mom...
I dont know where she is!!
Not My Fault
No one is on my side!!
It could have been a body put in that car after it was at the tow yard! It could have been a pizza in there I was a nurse of decomp
The Body in that trunk was not my granddaughters!!

I dont think LE is that stupid, do you?
Dots [/*]

No

[AMS]

Originally posted by n/t


I agree. Finding her little body will be almost impossible especially if she was disposed of by some of the ways speculated on this board.

If she was burried, there still may be a chance of locating her skeletal remains.

:( [/*]

As Tim Miller said yesterday, based on his record, they have a 9% chance of finding Caylee. He also said that if they did not search they would have a zero % chance of finding her.

[summer4meplz]

i'm starting to be way more suspicious of george and cindy....i know it has been just barely mentioned....but weren't they on a 50th birthday trip in june? i'd be curious to know more about it....and it just makes no sense that casey and Caylee had both been missing for a month.....they pick up their car from impound smelling like a dead body, and without even knowing who's dead body it might have been.....spend 5 hours or so...cleaning up the car and things that were on the inside...and THEN they try to get a hold of casey....doesn't add up at all!

i know i'm not the only person totally confused about this.....their actions do not grieving grandparents make...imo...

and have we ever found out when the searches on the computer were made concerning the chloroform?

one more quick question,,,,anyone read reasonable's posts today and last night....has she been back since her husband came home with more detailed info? it's only 6:30 in california...i even wrote all that down....fascinating...

[Snoopy50]

Originally posted by Blackbird



nooooooooooo

keep this family away from pizza!

save the pizza!

pizza has gotten such a bad rap in this case! [/*] My college student is coming home for the weekend, wants pizza! i will do my best.:(

[bcrmom]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Speaking of "that much chloroform"....something is very peculiar about this. It seems when this news first broke we heard "suspicious amounts," then "significant amounts," then the next day all of a sudden it was "trace amounts".......now tonight on NG all of a sudden it's this HUGE HUGE HUGE amount of vaporized chloroform. So what is it? I do think she tends to exaggerate. :shrug: Secondly, I thought I heard her mention these findings were from BOTH the FBI as well as the Body Farm tests. I never heard that before tonight. I thought the results were only from the FBI.

Sorry but I've caught NG many times in giving out "facts" that were not "fact," so I'm dubious right now. [/*]


Huh. I was all confused because the first day I heard "trace amounts", the next day they said "significant amounts". Later that day I heard "significant trace amounts". I thought that was a huge oxymoron.

I guess it all depends which reporter you're watching at the time. :shrug:

I think when this gets to trial, and it will, we're going to have a whole lot of surprises and maybe they'll answer some questions we have but I'm not holding my breath on that one. This will be another battle of the forensic experts and by closing statements time, the jurors are going to be pulling their hair out.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae
:cuss:

If Casey were my daughter and she was back in my home there would be some big changes made.

1) Her bedroom would be locked and she wouldn't be allowed in except at bedtime
.....Then she would be up and dressed to join the rest of the family as soon as we woke in the morning.

2) I would toss the computer.
She would have no chance to surf the net...

3) She would sit with the family the whole and complete time looking at our faces and listening to our rants while we tried to come to grips with the probable loss of our grand daughter at her hands.

4) There would only be communication with us, her attorney and other court ordered persons.

What would you do? [/*]

I wouldn't have her in my house....

[ginky41]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae
:cuss:

If Casey were my daughter and she was back in my home there would be some big changes made.

1) Her bedroom would be locked and she wouldn't be allowed in except at bedtime
.....Then she would be up and dressed to join the rest of the family as soon as we woke in the morning.

2) I would toss the computer.
She would have no chance to surf the net...

3) She would sit with the family the whole and complete time looking at our faces and listening to our rants while we tried to come to grips with the probable loss of our grand daughter at her hands.

4) There would only be communication with us, her attorney and other court ordered persons.

What would you do? [/*]

I would do exactly what you said. Good work.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Joan Weiss
That makes me feel bad. Probably no money to go out, either.

Happy birthday, George. :rose: [/*]

Well this is the second family birthday to pass since Caylee went missing......at least he got to spend it at home.

[shelbar53]

LP seems to be correct in some of his crazy theories. Hmmm what he said about a significant mood change after the FBI/DNA results...seemed angry. Think about the stages of grief. denial....ANGER...depression then acceptance. IMO

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae
:cuss:

If Casey were my daughter and she was back in my home there would be some big changes made.

1) Her bedroom would be locked and she wouldn't be allowed in except at bedtime
.....Then she would be up and dressed to join the rest of the family as soon as we woke in the morning.

2) I would toss the computer.
She would have no chance to surf the net...

3) She would sit with the family the whole and complete time looking at our faces and listening to our rants while we tried to come to grips with the probable loss of our grand daughter at her hands.

4) There would only be communication with us, her attorney and other court ordered persons.

What would you do? [/*]

Kick her outside with the protesters.:chicken:

[jewel6]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae
:cuss:

If Casey were my daughter and she was back in my home there would be some big changes made.

1) Her bedroom would be locked and she wouldn't be allowed in except at bedtime
.....Then she would be up and dressed to join the rest of the family as soon as we woke in the morning.

2) I would toss the computer.
She would have no chance to surf the net...

3) She would sit with the family the whole and complete time looking at our faces and listening to our rants while we tried to come to grips with the probable loss of our grand daughter at her hands.

4) There would only be communication with us, her attorney and other court ordered persons.

What would you do? [/*]

Heck! she wouldnt be allowed in the house until she told where caylee was! :mad: jmo

[spiritwolf46]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae
:cuss:

If Casey were my daughter and she was back in my home there would be some big changes made.

1) Her bedroom would be locked and she wouldn't be allowed in except at bedtime
.....Then she would be up and dressed to join the rest of the family as soon as we woke in the morning.

2) I would toss the computer.
She would have no chance to surf the net...

3) She would sit with the family the whole and complete time looking at our faces and listening to our rants while we tried to come to grips with the probable loss of our grand daughter at her hands.

4) There would only be communication with us, her attorney and other court ordered persons.

What would you do? [/*]

I would do the EXACT same thing! :beer:

ETA: I would also accidently trip her a few times and perhaps accidently smack her upside the head with a wooden spoon, too. ACCIDENTLY, of course.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Snoopy50
My college student is coming home for the weekend, wants pizza! i will do my best.:( [/*]

I haven't had one piece since this whole thing started

[jmgos1]

Originally posted by ratched


How many murderers care about "cleaning green", lol! [/*]


:lol: thanks I needed that

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


I agree SS...we just don't know! I guess this is another one we have to wait for *sigh* [/*]

I've been wondering if this cloroform was something LE leaked in hopes of a an utterence from any of the Anthonys, including Casey on the phones they may have taps on.
Perhaps wanting to hear...oh, that is such a lie...even if they said nothing further than that, wouldn't it indicate that they/she could know more about what really happened to Caylee?
Just a thought that popped into my mind.

[CNTM]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae
:cuss:

If Casey were my daughter and she was back in my home there would be some big changes made.

1) Her bedroom would be locked and she wouldn't be allowed in except at bedtime
.....Then she would be up and dressed to join the rest of the family as soon as we woke in the morning.

2) I would toss the computer.
She would have no chance to surf the net...

3) She would sit with the family the whole and complete time looking at our faces and listening to our rants while we tried to come to grips with the probable loss of our grand daughter at her hands.

4) There would only be communication with us, her attorney and other court ordered persons.

What would you do? [/*]

If she were mine, I'd do the same thing and might add a knot or 2 on the pea-brained noggin' of hers!:flamemad: :cuss:

[linspar]

Tonite on NG, Horowitz eluded to the fact that chloroform was used to CLEAN the trunk, not in the asphyxiation of Caylee. NG totally dismissed this theory, however, I somewhat tend to agree with him. The reason being: Trichloromethane is also a form of chloroform and is used as an industrial solvent for cleaning grease, oil, stains by breaking down the molecules of any foreign substances and evaporates rather quickly. For instance, spray carburetor cleaner is a form of chloroform. It also explains this in more detail if you google "chloroform".

[jewel6]

20 mins until 20/20!

[jmgos1]

Originally posted by spiritwolf46


I would do the EXACT same thing! :beer: [/*]


I would strip her room of everything but a mattress.

[rj1212]

:beer:

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Lyndawitha"Y


Maybe we should take a poll???LOL

But my point is NO amounts of Chloroform should be present!! Plain and simple!!

LMS:seeya: [/*]

Exactly! But you can bet the A's will come up with something like a lawsuit for the car maker for high levels of chlorofrom in her car. It was their fault :rolleyes:

Greta covering Caylee! Yay!!

[Fallen Angel]

Originally posted by FrankieBones1
It replays again in a half hour from now and will go up against 20/20's special on this case. I'll be flipping back and forth. It sounds like Nancy's show was chockful of excitement. [/*]is 20/20 on ABC?

[bcrmom]

Originally posted by jennyanydots
and so about now; my mind goes back to that horrible statment that Cindy A made. About the heat in FL that week, and the horrible smell in that trunk. And the evil and hating way she said it. She was covering then; this has been going on for many many weeks. I hope that LE charges; and I hope they are bugged an already caught on tape. What we did hear enough of leads to to not many conclusions.
Mom YOU dont know MY invovlement in this?
Arrested on a Whim
Saw your Cameo Today Mom...
I dont know where she is!!
Not My Fault
No one is on my side!!
It could have been a body put in that car after it was at the tow yard! It could have been a pizza in there I was a nurse of decomp
The Body in that trunk was not my granddaughters!!

I dont think LE is that stupid, do you?
Dots [/*]


LE is on top of this. NO stupid people there that I've seen. Yet.

:seeya: Jennyanydots


Uhm, you forgot that part about "my daughter may have ran over an animal." I think that belongs on the list. :)


Casey roadkill....she seems to have that effect on everyone in her life, huh? Runs flat over them and walks away w/o batting an eye. :mad:

[WinnieLeigh7]

omgosh, my other half was hurt on the job today and i've missed a whole day of 'happenings'


can anyone give me the cliff notes...thanks in advance.


also is the 20/20 show happening tonight, because when i looked on tv for the info, it wasn't about caylee, but said it was about women being attacked in south florida...

unless that means, cindy and casey and verbal attacks :confused:

[concernedmom]

Will someone post Greta for us that dont get it?

[jammies]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


Exactly! But you can bet the A's will come up with something like a lawsuit for the car maker for high levels of chlorofrom in her car. It was their fault :rolleyes:

Greta covering Caylee! Yay!! [/*]


Oh good!! No way am I watching 20/20.

[Leeann1313]

Heck...one doesn't need to purchase chloroform over the internet. You can make it yourself. I don't believe anyone has said for a fact that chloroform was purchased on the internet. All I know is that is was researched.

My apologies if someone already posted this link.

http://www.ehow.com/how_2251200_make-chloroform.html

[Joan Weiss]

Originally posted by jennyanydots
Proving who looked it up online, could be a challenge. :shrug: It's of my opinion that the experts are right, casey isnt that smart. [/*]I don't know that she isn't that smart. Look at the mess she's created. And still, she doesn't say a word. She's driving everyone up the wall.

"Catch me if you can." imo

[spiritwolf46]

Originally posted by jewel6
20 mins until 20/20! [/*]

Are you gonna watch jewel? :seeya:

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Oregongal


I've been wondering if this cloroform was something LE leaked in hopes of a an utterence from any of the Anthonys, including Casey on the phones they may have taps on.
Perhaps wanting to hear...oh, that is such a lie...even if they said nothing further than that, wouldn't it indicate that they/she could know more about what really happened to Caylee?
Just a thought that popped into my mind. [/*]

:shrug: this one has me really confused :mad:

[ginky41]

Originally posted by linspar
Tonite on NG, Horowitz eluded to the fact that chloroform was used to CLEAN the trunk, not in the asphyxiation of Caylee. NG totally dismissed this theory, however, I somewhat tend to agree with him. The reason being: Trichloromethane is also a form of chloroform and is used as an industrial solvent for cleaning grease, oil, stains by breaking down the molecules of any foreign substances and evaporates rather quickly. For instance, spray carburetor cleaner is a form of chloroform. It also explains this in more detail if you google "chloroform". [/*]

I'm thinking the dates of the searches on the computer are going to be critical re: this. If they were "after" Caylee disappeared then perhaps it was for clean-up. If it was before, well....don't know what to say there.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by linspar
Tonite on NG, Horowitz eluded to the fact that chloroform was used to CLEAN the trunk, not in the asphyxiation of Caylee. NG totally dismissed this theory, however, I somewhat tend to agree with him. The reason being: Trichloromethane is also a form of chloroform and is used as an industrial solvent for cleaning grease, oil, stains by breaking down the molecules of any foreign substances and evaporates rather quickly. For instance, spray carburetor cleaner is a form of chloroform. It also explains this in more detail if you google "chloroform". [/*]

I'm not at ALL closing my mind to that theory.

[bcrmom]

Originally posted by jmgos1



I would strip her room of everything but a mattress. [/*]

I've done the same thing to one of mine. My kids called me D. I. Mom.

Take no prisoners.
Take no crap.

[kitty1182]

Originally posted by rj1212
:beer: [/*]

hi and Welcome:)

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by Lyndawitha"Y


Maybe we should take a poll???LOL

But my point is NO amounts of Chloroform should be present!! Plain and simple!!

LMS:seeya: [/*]

But, this is the Anthony trunk. Pizza, Arm & hammer, flies, maggots, decomp, chloro. The list keeps growing!!!!!

It can all easily be explained away. Just your average junk in a trunk. :D

[jewel6]

Originally posted by spiritwolf46


Are you gonna watch jewel? :seeya: [/*]

yep! ill probally go back and forth from greta! Im waiting out hannah so wow i have nothing better to do! :D

[spiritwolf46]

Originally posted by jmgos1



I would strip her room of everything but a mattress. [/*]

Oh yeah! Make her feel right at her other home! One that hopefully she will be going back to REAL quick! :beer:

[n/t]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


I wouldn't have her in my house.... [/*]

Ditto!!

[baywench]

I was checking the ABC feedback board and there is a strange post over there....probably some nut but strange post...check it out...posted at 9:04

abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/comments?type=story&id=5727546

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae
:cuss:

If Casey were my daughter and she was back in my home there would be some big changes made.

1) Her bedroom would be locked and she wouldn't be allowed in except at bedtime
.....Then she would be up and dressed to join the rest of the family as soon as we woke in the morning.

2) I would toss the computer.
She would have no chance to surf the net...

3) She would sit with the family the whole and complete time looking at our faces and listening to our rants while we tried to come to grips with the probable loss of our grand daughter at her hands.

4) There would only be communication with us, her attorney and other court ordered persons.

What would you do? [/*]

Pretty much the same as you Kathy.
:beer:

[SavannahStar]

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=5734884

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=5737659

Videos from the 20/20 show tonight.

[panokatana]

Originally posted by summer4meplz
i'm starting to be way more suspicious of george and cindy....i know it has been just barely mentioned....but weren't they on a 50th birthday trip in june? i'd be curious to know more about it....and it just makes no sense that casey and Caylee had both been missing for a month.....they pick up their car from impound smelling like a dead body, and without even knowing who's dead body it might have been.....spend 5 hours or so...cleaning up the car and things that were on the inside...and THEN they try to get a hold of casey....doesn't add up at all!

i know i'm not the only person totally confused about this.....their actions do not grieving grandparents make...imo...

and have we ever found out when the searches on the computer were made concerning the chloroform?

one more quick question,,,,anyone read reasonable's posts today and last night....has she been back since her husband came home with more detailed info? it's only 6:30 in california...i even wrote all that down....fascinating... [/*]

I thought that, too, regarding the cleanup of the vehicle before the finding of Casey (at least that's how I understand what they did). Why wouldn't they think Casey was missing and perhaps something happened to HER. Why clean up the car, if you can't find your daughter? Wouldn't you think the worst had happened and save the evidence for the police?

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Barbara fl.



No, I don't think thay have enough evidence and that is why they keep throwing things out there in hope that Casey will confess. IF, they had any real evidence they would have made the arrest already. Just like in the Drew Peterson case, they kept saying what they had and they never made an arrest. It's rediculous that with just her lying and her child missing for so long should, in my eyes, be enough. But it's not...

And, as someone just said on the Nancy Grace show. Why arent the Anthony's joining in the search for Caylee? could it be they already know the truth? I would never give up the search if I truly believed my daughter...I guess Caylee will just be forgotten about and never receive a proper burial....Sad, sad, sad [/*]

Did Drew have the smell of death in his car? Did it test for a dead body being in there? I honestly think they have more evidence in THIS case than Drew's case. I think they're just hanging back to try to find Caylee's body. They have more than just Casey's lies.

[Elle]

Originally posted by msgatorslayer


That is a good question.

I'm still perplexed that this, of all things, has been found in this case. Who thinks of this unless you just watched a movie where a scary figure slaps a cloth over someones mouth?

And I never knew that you could, or would, use it for cleaning purposes. With the cost associated with it, WHY would ya? lmao [/*]


My friend used to work in refrigeration and a fellow worker ended up in a coma because he was inhaling freon which has chloroform in it (I believe). That and as you said the cloth over the mouth and nose like in the movie Vanished.

I had no idea any sort of cleaning could be done with it. I always think of bleach to clean things, though that would have left an obvious visual mark. This whole thing is sheer madness. That poor baby girl!!!

imo, moo

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by baywench
I was checking the ABC feedback board and there is a strange post over there....probably some nut but strange post...check it out...posted at 9:04

abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/comments?type=story&id=5727546 [/*]

I don't see one at 9:04...am or pm?

[jewel6]

Originally posted by baywench
I was checking the ABC feedback board and there is a strange post over there....probably some nut but strange post...check it out...posted at 9:04

abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/comments?type=story&id=5727546 [/*]

Maybe it was casey! :shrug: j/K

[ginky41]

Originally posted by baywench
I was checking the ABC feedback board and there is a strange post over there....probably some nut but strange post...check it out...posted at 9:04

abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/comments?type=story&id=5727546 [/*]

I don't see one at 9:04. What did it say?

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by baywench
I was checking the ABC feedback board and there is a strange post over there....probably some nut but strange post...check it out...posted at 9:04

abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/comments?type=story&id=5727546 [/*]

I don't see any from 9:04. :confused:

[baywench]

Originally posted by ginky41


I'm thinking the dates of the searches on the computer are going to be critical re: this. If they were "after" Caylee disappeared then perhaps it was for clean-up. If it was before, well....don't know what to say there. [/*]


Sorry too much coincidence on those theories for me.....child missing...decomp in car....child's hair in car...car is cleaned with chloroform (I swore I wasn't going to type that word today after the endless debates). How far out there is it that Cindy decided the car smelled and needed to be cleaned with chloroform. No no no. Keep it simple imo

[n/t]

Originally posted by linspar
Tonite on NG, Horowitz eluded to the fact that chloroform was used to CLEAN the trunk, not in the asphyxiation of Caylee. NG totally dismissed this theory, however, I somewhat tend to agree with him. The reason being: Trichloromethane is also a form of chloroform and is used as an industrial solvent for cleaning grease, oil, stains by breaking down the molecules of any foreign substances and evaporates rather quickly. For instance, spray carburetor cleaner is a form of chloroform. It also explains this in more detail if you google "chloroform". [/*]

So someone was trying to clean out the stain in the trunk?

[spiritwolf46]

Originally posted by jewel6


yep! ill probally go back and forth from greta! Im waiting out hannah so wow i have nothing better to do! :D [/*]

OOOOooo! Be safe!

I won't watch it. Not anything wrong with watching it, I just cannot stomach anymore of the Anthony's lies. Not sure what this will be about, but if it has THEM on there, then I would rather catch my head in a bear trap! ;)

I will try to catch Greta.

Again! PLEASE be safe!!!!!

[VC2]

Originally posted by Blackbird


If I were Jose's wife he'd be bringing a Motion to be Relieved as Counsel! [/*]

if there is not something going on bw baez and casey i will eat my hat. I actually like defense attorneys and stand up for them, seen to many innocent ppl convicted even when they force the state to their burden of proof to make me want anyone convicted unless it truly is beyond a reasonable doubt and true, but this situation is...

7 hours a day at his office when she is out on bail during the day, hours at the house with her, this is so far beyond what an attorney does its crazy. Even the most devoted attorney convinced of his clients innocence doesn't go this far.

Either he is having an affair with her, or he has such a deal with the snake garrison that he doesn't dare let her out of his company for to many hours, everything being done for baez's movie deal

I prefer the affair theory.

imo

[Elle]

Originally posted by MicheleL


Maybe the grandparents are the ones who
researched and used the chloroform ..

Maybe LE will charge them for obstructing the
investigation and with-holding information .. :shrug: [/*]

I have never seen anything like this. Poor Caylee. The more I learn the less I understand.

imo, moo

[bluwaters]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


That was me StickyBeak, and I explained it in a post I made about 9:30 this morning on the morning thread. I asked a co-worker of mine, who IS a GAL in Florida, her opinion. First off, an attorney has to request that a GAL be appointed. A judge cannot appoint one on his own. I don't think I addressed that in my post. First off, Caylee is missing and presumed dead for about 11 weeks now I think? I know this will sound harsh, but my friend said that GALs are stretched very, very thin...they are volunteers. They will be appointed first for children who are HERE AND NOW, and needing immediate help. As far as Caylee's rights, she said that the mother has been charged with child neglect already. LE is investigating into Caylee's disappearance and trying to find her. Not sure what more anyone can do at this point, especially a GAL?

I don't know about the trust fund. Is that fact that one was set up that way? Also, I did not hear that a child abuse team met with CA re abuse. Do you have a link for that? I know that DCF (or whatever it's called) was there at the jail, but we don't know for what reason......I hadn't heard for any abuse charges.

The way it was explained to me by this GAL (who, as I said, is a GAL in our state of Florida), the likelihood of one being appointed for Caylee, in this situation, is pretty nil. I can understand all that she told me about this. [/*]

Thank you SS :seeya:
I have been trying to find out the answer to this question with no luck.
It makes sense, I do know that GAL program is begging for volunteers.

[summer4meplz]

Originally posted by baywench
I was checking the ABC feedback board and there is a strange post over there....probably some nut but strange post...check it out...posted at 9:04

abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/comments?type=story&id=5727546 [/*]

i couldn't get the link to work...can you just tell us?

[KKKKKKatie]

more protesters...must be waiting for Greta :rolleyes:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by jewel6


You just made me laugh! My favorite is clorox clean up! :D [/*]

I'm still wondering what the "arm and hammer story" was for....

[baywench]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I don't see any from 9:04. :confused: [/*]

Posted by Jularon and 9:04....I wasn't sure we could put in names. You're a good one to go look SS.....it was over my head.

[Fallen Angel]

Originally posted by SavannahStar
http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=5734884

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=5737659

Videos from the 20/20 show tonight. [/*]TY SS that sealed the deal for me. i can't watch it tonight :(

[CNTM]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie
more protesters...must be waiting for Greta :rolleyes: [/*]

If you broadcast it, they will come!

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by bluwaters


Thank you SS :seeya:
I have been trying to find out the answer to this question with no luck.
It makes sense, I do know that GAL program is begging for volunteers. [/*]

You're quite welcome. I know my friend is so proud to be a GAL, she really has a heart for helping children.

[Shellberry]

Originally posted by ginky41


Yes.

Just heard about your news.

:patriot: My prayers are with you and your family. [/*]
heard what?

& Fallen, what happened?
Im sorry, just getting in tonight to be able to read and post.

((HUGS))

[baywench]

Originally posted by summer4meplz


i couldn't get the link to work...can you just tell us? [/*]


Are we allowed to bring posts over from another board? I thought we couldn't. I'll try and get a synopsis but it's weird. Like I said probably some nut. Doesn't surprise me my link didn't work....it's only the second one I ever did!

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by CNTM


If you broadcast it, they will come! [/*]

They might....but not me!

[Takotna]

Originally posted by Joan Weiss
Nah, the car was picked up the next morning, there wouldn't have been time to order it.

Oh, are you talking about before the car was abandoned?

Geesh, a defense attorneys cornucopia. imo [/*]

Indeed!

IMO - George smelled the car and then they tried everything they could think of to get rid of the smell, stains, etc. Maybe they had chloroform at home (my g'pa did), Cindy's work? Where was G working?

The one thing I'm pretty sure of is there wouldn't have been any flies coming out of the trunk if chloroform was there before G picked it up.

I don't think Casey had the chloroform.

I love that word, cornucopia! G/C may have access to a "cornucopia" of cleaning agents! :)

IMO

[ellegna]

Originally posted by Elle


That is a really good point. How would the flies have survived being in there? Didn't it state in the docs somewhere that when the trunk was opened a bunch of flies flew out? How? Would that mean the chloroform was put in the trunk after it left the impound lot?

imo, moo [/*]

Just making a wild guess here.
If there was decomp in the trunk, flies would have been attracted to it. The flies that stayed too long in the trunk died from the chloroform but that didn't stop more flies from coming. The day the trunk was opened, flies that were not killed yet by the chloroform flew out.
:shrug:

[Shellberry]

Originally posted by MicheleL


Maybe the grandparents are the ones who
researched and used the chloroform ..

Maybe LE will charge them for obstructing the
investigation and with-holding information .. :shrug: [/*]
I doubt the gp's did it on her laptop--they had their own comp.

BUT-I read earlier that it can be used to kill fire ants and bee nests--that is definately a possibilty down here in FL.

the fire ants and bees are just everywhere!

imo

[Ckrdpast]

shellberry pm me if you want info your box is full;)

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by baywench


Posted by Jularon and 9:04....I wasn't sure we could put in names. You're a good one to go look SS.....it was over my head. [/*]

I can't find that time or that name. :confused:

I'm a good one to go look? :lol:

:chicken:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by baywench



Sorry too much coincidence on those theories for me.....child missing...decomp in car....child's hair in car...car is cleaned with chloroform (I swore I wasn't going to type that word today after the endless debates). How far out there is it that Cindy decided the car smelled and needed to be cleaned with chloroform. No no no. Keep it simple imo [/*]

She washed the clothes. So I don't find it unbeleivable that she cleaned the car. But then I am trying to figure out her cry that the car smelled like a dead body had been in it. Could it be she TRIED to clean the car but it didn't work.....it didn't get the smell out. So, rather than keep silent about the smell when the LE would obviously notice it, she cried it out and admitted it herself, as if to show "shock"!

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Shellberry

heard what?

& Fallen, what happened?
Im sorry, just getting in tonight to be able to read and post.

((HUGS)) [/*]

your mail box is full

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I can't find that time or that name. :confused:

I'm a good one to go look? :lol:

:chicken: [/*]

LOL I can't either!

[summer4meplz]

Originally posted by baywench



Are we allowed to bring posts over from another board? I thought we couldn't. I'll try and get a synopsis but it's weird. Like I said probably some nut. Doesn't surprise me my link didn't work....it's only the second one I ever did! [/*]

i don't think we are allowed to do that....don't get in trouble..

[jmgos1]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


They might....but not me! [/*]

I'm watching Greta even if she has Bill O'Reily on.

[concernedmom]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


LOL I can't either! [/*]

Me either. Maybe it got deleted?:shrug:

[Fallen Angel]

Originally posted by Shellberry

heard what?

& Fallen, what happened?
Im sorry, just getting in tonight to be able to read and post.

((HUGS)) [/*]Shell,..i just can't talk about it right now.


Night everyone , i need to lay down.


God bless each and every one of you and please remember to hug your kids tonight before they go to bed and tell them you love them.

[not.another]

Does anyone have a link and/or page # for the doc dump regarding the flies coming out of the trunk? I don't remember that. TIA

[bcrmom]

Is that Baez's car in the driveway? Still?



I wonder if his wife told him it was okay to sleepover.


:shrug:

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Fallen Angel
Shell,..i just can't talk about it right now.


Night everyone , i need to lay down.


God bless each and every one of you and please remember to hug your kids tonight before they go to bed and tell them you love them. [/*]

{{{HUG}}} Sleep well!

[cassidy]

Originally posted by Barefooted


I have taken bedroom door off of hinges and put the door in the basement until my youngest daughter- who was 12 at the time, could get it through her head she was NOT to slam her door after stomping up the stairs mad about one thing or another. It worked, a week of no door and she remembered not to slam.:D [/*]

OMG I've done the same thing. Mine lost hers for a month. She was 16. Never ever slammed a door again though :)

[jewel6]

Originally posted by Lyndawitha"Y


Could be //maybe thats why Caylee died in that trunk and was left there long enough to leave traces of decomposition..HUMmm..I just cant get my head around all this physical evidence???

Carbeurator cleaner has an ether component.and evaporates..unless absorbed by cloth or material..so this spray was used to spray her car trunk..HUMM..George's contribution or Casey's ?? dont think Zanny did it?/do ya??

LMS:biggrin: [/*]

Its gonna be a BOMBSHELL i tell ya! ;) jmo

[WinnieLeigh7]

I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN CIRCLED REPEATEDLY...BUT I HAVE JUST A FEW SIMPLE 'DATE' QUESTIONS...

FIRST, WHY IS THIS FAMILY ALWAYS SPEAKING IN 'DAY' TERMS

SUCH AS MY DAUGHTER/GRANDDAUGHTER HAVE BEEN MISSING FOR 31 DAYS
VS. A MONTH OR OVER A MONTH AS 'NORMAL' PEOPLE WOULD DO

OR, THE PIZZA HAS BEEN IN THE CAR FOR 12 DAYS, IN THE HEAT...
VS. 2 WEEKS OR WHATEVER

MOST PEOPLE SPEAK IN 'GENERAL' TERMS YET THE ANTHONY ATTEMPT TO BE SPECIFIC WITH EXACT DAYS....


SO OKAY, LETS GO WITH THAT, WE HAVE A EX LE AND A NURSE, MAYBE IT'S THEIR 'CAREERS' THAT MAKE THEM SPECIFIC

31 DAYS BACK FROM THE TIME THE FIRST 911 CALL WAS MADE, WAS JUNE 14TH

12 DAYS BEFORE THE CAR WAS PICKED UP WAS JULY 3RD, WHICH WE KNOW THE CAR WAS AT AMSCOT FROM JUNE 27-30TH BEFORE THEY TOWED IT

JUNE 9TH WAS THE DATE THE ENTIRE FAMILY STATED ORIGINALLY THEY LAST SAW CAYLEE...I SO VERY MUCH FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THE ENTIRE FAMILY MISSED THIS DATE BTW

UNTIL CINDY WAS CONFRONTED ABOUT THE FATHER'S DAY VISIT, AND AS A 'SPECIFIC' DAY PERSON, SHOULD HAVE RECALLED SUCH A SIGNIFICANT DATE AS A HOLIDAY---FATHER'S DAY, CORRECT

AND JUST WHERE IS THE 12 DAYS COMING INTO PLAY, IS SHE SUGGESTING THAT WHOEVER PLACED THIS 'OTHER' DEAD BODY IN THE TRUNK CHOWED DOWN ON PIZZA AND PLACED IT IN THERE TOO...

[concernedmom]

Originally posted by bcrmom
Is that Baez's car in the driveway? Still?



I wonder if his wife told him it was okay to sleepover.


:shrug: [/*]

Well. The 12 year old couldnt come.:shrug:

[kitty1182]

Originally posted by bcrmom
Is that Baez's car in the driveway? Still?



I wonder if his wife told him it was okay to sleepover.


:shrug: [/*]

If he were my hubby, he would be home!!!!!!!

[bchand]

Originally posted by jammies



Oh good!! No way am I watching 20/20. [/*]

Me neither, I'm watching Psych. I thought Greta had the entire hour on VP Candidate Palin.

[KKKKKKatie]

this is interesting if you haven't seen it yet

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/09/caylee-anthon-2.html

[Takotna]

Originally posted by not.another
Does anyone have a link and/or page # for the doc dump regarding the flies coming out of the trunk? I don't remember that. TIA [/*]

The tow-people interviews are on pages 316-318 - I think the part about the flies is on page 316. :)

[spiritwolf46]

Originally posted by Fallen Angel
Shell,..i just can't talk about it right now.


Night everyone , i need to lay down.


God bless each and every one of you and please remember to hug your kids tonight before they go to bed and tell them you love them. [/*]

Good night Fallen. Prayers for you and yours.

[CNTM]

Originally posted by concernedmom


Well. The 12 year old couldnt come.:shrug: [/*]

:lol: :lol:

[ginky41]

Can someone summarize the post on the abc board? Then I'm headed to bed. Came down with laryngitis this week :(

[Shellberry]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


your mail box is full [/*]
omg-you are kidding me, I emptied it last night of 2 messages because other people said the same thing.
I dont have any messages in there.
grrrrrrr
do messages get saved in a trash bin somewhere?

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by bchand


Me neither, I'm watching Psych. I thought Greta had the entire hour on VP Candidate Palin. [/*]

in the Promo she said she would be talking about Caylee

[not.another]

Originally posted by Takotna


The tow-people interviews are on pages 316-318 - I think the part about the flies is on page 316. :) [/*]


Thank you Takotna. Much appreciated.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Shellberry

omg-you are kidding me, I emptied it last night of 2 messages because other people said the same thing.
I dont have any messages in there.
grrrrrrr
do messages get saved in a trash bin somewhere? [/*]

empty sent and tracking folders

[Nellie]

Originally posted by jennyanydots
Me neither !! BUT; you have to also think that if they helped her and went to those lengths to cover UP what she did to Caylee, then that's not the atmosphere inside that home. It's more about sitting on their hands and wringing them with worry about if they will go to prison and for how long. Remember it's been said that she hates her parents. They are like Peas in a Pod, this family.

Now what person in thier right mind would allow a baby killer in their home? And, if you heard that this child was also going to "take" your house from you; how could you sleep at night? Unless you knew that you were part of the problem, or rather part of the "solution" cleaning agent and all.... :cuss:

No; this family isnt afraid of each other, but they should be. They are not; or they wouldnt have her in that house. [/*]

Actually I disagree. I think IF they all a hand in this...even in a cover up......they all are very afraid of each other! IF Casey admitted to them that Caylee died in her care, then she'd be afraid her parents would confess that to LE. BUT, if they helped her bury little Caylee, then they'd be VERY afraid of Casey and that she'd talk. Not sure about Lee yet.....but if he even found out about it after the fact, then he's guilty of cover up too. They all need each other to keep quiet or lie. Wow, can you imagine being in that position with that bunch!

[Ckrdpast]

Originally posted by Shellberry

omg-you are kidding me, I emptied it last night of 2 messages because other people said the same thing.
I dont have any messages in there.
grrrrrrr
do messages get saved in a trash bin somewhere? [/*]


delete sent and tracking---and pm me if you want info on the search tomorrow:D

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by Snoopy50
My college student is coming home for the weekend, wants pizza! i will do my best.:( [/*]

We just had pizza tonight, it's our once a month treat, I refuse to let Cindy's comments/excuses/lies ruin something for my family.
She's ruined so much already. I will not let that part of her affect us.
Caylee is the one who has affected me. I've fallen in love with her and want justice for her so bad she is on my mind and in my heart every minute of my day and in my dreams at night.
I pray for her continuously. I try very hard not to let the Anthony's lies and behaviors take that from me. Hence, we had pizza, clinked our soda (my wine) glasses to Caylee.
Do for your son Snoopy and you will be slapping Casey in the face (figurativly) by doing what a mother does for her child. Which she didn't do.

[summer4meplz]

the message at 9:04 must have been deleted....

[StickyBeak]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


That was me StickyBeak, and I explained it in a post I made about 9:30 this morning on the morning thread. I asked a co-worker of mine, who IS a GAL in Florida, her opinion. First off, an attorney has to request that a GAL be appointed. A judge cannot appoint one on his own. I don't think I addressed that in my post. First off, Caylee is missing and presumed dead for about 11 weeks now I think? I know this will sound harsh, but my friend said that GALs are stretched very, very thin...they are volunteers. They will be appointed first for children who are HERE AND NOW, and needing immediate help. As far as Caylee's rights, she said that the mother has been charged with child neglect already. LE is investigating into Caylee's disappearance and trying to find her. Not sure what more anyone can do at this point, especially a GAL?

I don't know about the trust fund. Is that fact that one was set up that way? Also, I did not hear that a child abuse team met with CA re abuse. Do you have a link for that? I know that DCF (or whatever it's called) was there at the jail, but we don't know for what reason......I hadn't heard for any abuse charges.

The way it was explained to me by this GAL (who, as I said, is a GAL in our state of Florida), the likelihood of one being appointed for Caylee, in this situation, is pretty nil. I can understand all that she told me about this. [/*]

TY Savannah, I missed your early reply. Just about two hairs left on my head with this whole fiasco. My post this am


Senior Member

Registered: Jun 2007
Location: Migrating to flip flop weather
Posts: 1137
Hello Everyone, I am pages behind but thought to run this by y'all.

Do you think the Anthony's could have helped bail out Casey with Caylee's supposed Trust Fund on the search for Caylee web site?
Donations perhaps.
Also this morning th DCF met with CA on Abuse charges,
I thouht when a parent is charged the court automatically appoints a Guardian Ad Litum.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...0,7519627.story

page down to the 9:00am time frame.

Curious, since I about Pro Se Litigant and On Te Papers for out of state you just need a resident of Orange Cty florida to sign.

Someone should be protecting Caylee's interest, after all since she has not been found and has no death certificate, I agree the court should handle her interests. Not GP's or Mother.

JMO

Sorry to hear your co worker has no answer. Heck maybe I'll post to our beloved Governor :seeya:

[Shellberry]

Originally posted by Fallen Angel
Shell,..i just can't talk about it right now.


Night everyone , i need to lay down.


God bless each and every one of you and please remember to hug your kids tonight before they go to bed and tell them you love them. [/*]
Im sorry, if you want to pm/email me later on or whenever, lmk.
Im going to try to read the threads from today to catch up.

Hope all is well.
((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))) again

[bcrmom]

Originally posted by cassidy


OMG I've done the same thing. Mine lost hers for a month. She was 16. Never ever slammed a door again though :) [/*]

I've done it too. Oh, they HATED not having any privacy, esp with younger sibs in the house. But they did learn.

But I never did learn to walk by those missing doors without smirking smugly.

:D

[WinnieLeigh7]

CAN ANYONE GIVE ME TODAYS UPDATES PLEASE

I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH MY OTHER HALF WHO WAS HURT AT WORK TODAY AND MISSED NEARLY EVERYTHING...

I KNOW CASEY'S OUT...

WHAT'S THIS ABOUT PADILLA, WHAT HAS HE SAID...

WHAT DID THE 'STRANGE' ABC POST STATE...

WHAT ELSE HAVE I MISSED.


MUCH THANKS :)

[Elle]

Originally posted by ellegna


Just making a wild guess here.
If there was decomp in the trunk, flies would have been attracted to it. The flies that stayed too long in the trunk died from the chloroform but that didn't stop more flies from coming. The day the trunk was opened, flies that were not killed yet by the chloroform flew out.
:shrug: [/*]


I wish I knew more about entymology. I guess there are so many factors and variables that come into play here, if the trunk was air tight, how fast the flies reproduce, the levels of chloroform ect, I am sure they have had a forensic entomologist check out what was found. There has been so much thrown out there but very little that we actually know. So frustrating, and if there wasn't a beautiful little Caylee and this was a just a book, it would be absolutely fascinating. imo, moo

[bchand]

Originally posted by ratched
Do we know for sure if flies are susceptible to chloroform? I know frogs are but maybe flies aren't? Didn't someone say their family member used it on hornets successfully? [/*]

Apparently yes they are:

2.4. Flies



i. Adults:

Kill the adults with chloroform and place them between layers of tissue paper contained in a pillbox. If entomological pins are available, pin them, through the thorax, onto a cork or styrofoam. Send the specimens in a suitable box to the entomology laboratory

http://www.imr.gov.my/org/ento_d.htm

[Shellberry]

Originally posted by WinnieLeigh7
CAN ANYONE GIVE ME TODAYS UPDATES PLEASE

I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH MY OTHER HALF WHO WAS HURT AT WORK TODAY AND MISSED NEARLY EVERYTHING...

I KNOW CASEY'S OUT...

WHAT'S THIS ABOUT PADILLA, WHAT HAS HE SAID...

WHAT DID THE 'STRANGE' ABC POST STATE...

WHAT ELSE HAVE I MISSED.


MUCH THANKS :) [/*]
ditto-, lol
I missed everything from today too!

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Lyndawitha"Y


Could be //maybe thats why Caylee died in that trunk and was left there long enough to leave traces of decomposition..HUMmm..I just cant get my head around all this physical evidence???

Carbeurator cleaner has an ether component.and evaporates..unless absorbed by cloth or material..so this spray was used to spray her car trunk..HUMM..George's contribution or Casey's ?? dont think Zanny did it?/do ya??

LMS:biggrin: [/*]

I still don't think Caylee died in that trunk or decomposed in that trunk. I can't get past the dogs in the backyard, indicating that a decomposing body was in the backyard. Then there's the shovel. I tend to believe that Caylee was buried in the backyard first...where she began to decompose. Then "someone" removed her from the backyard (knowing the police would be looking back there once they were contacted) and put her little decomposing body into the trunk....and there the decomposing smells, etc. transferrred to the trunk. Not sure how long she was in there but long enough to cause the smell. From there her little body was driven away and taken elsewhere. I'm curious.....I wonder if that car was driven anywhere AFTER it was picked up from the tow yard.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by WinnieLeigh7
omgosh, my other half was hurt on the job today and i've missed a whole day of 'happenings'


can anyone give me the cliff notes...thanks in advance.


also is the 20/20 show happening tonight, because when i looked on tv for the info, it wasn't about caylee, but said it was about women being attacked in south florida...

unless that means, cindy and casey and verbal attacks :confused: [/*]

So sorry Winnie....I pray he's ok! And you are as well!
:rose:

[bcrmom]

Originally posted by Barefooted


Its ok. He brought a toothbrush during the first home detention and it was still hanging in the guest bath, waiting for him when he arrived today.:D How nice. [/*]


:lol:

I hope Cindy made him his favorite meatloaf and mac n cheeeeeze!


If I was his wife...he'd be sharing the house out back with the dog.

No, wait. The dog would be INside so he could have the doghouse to himself.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by WinnieLeigh7
CAN ANYONE GIVE ME TODAYS UPDATES PLEASE

I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH MY OTHER HALF WHO WAS HURT AT WORK TODAY AND MISSED NEARLY EVERYTHING...

I KNOW CASEY'S OUT...

WHAT'S THIS ABOUT PADILLA, WHAT HAS HE SAID... he said Casey told Lee and Cindy that Caylee is dead...we have no idea why he thinks that

WHAT DID THE 'STRANGE' ABC POST STATE...I think it was deleted so we don't know

WHAT ELSE HAVE I MISSED. C&G posted Casey's bond. Protesters are at the house


MUCH THANKS :) [/*]

Hope hubby is ok....see above for answers

[charm7]

I am sure you all know 20/20 is doing a piece on this case now on ABC
I would bet ABC had a hand in the bond today....a deal with the Anthony's? JMO

[Ckrdpast]

shellberry check your pm's