Friday Night Discussion...September 5th

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by need2no



Yes, I've seen several people post this about FD usually falling on the 2nd Sunday and I knew it couldn't be true. Just to be positive I finally decided to look it up to be sure before I posted. No need for you to feel stupid.

Wow...you have a busy June. [/*]


It was so painful you would think it would be more memorable of a day for me, but FD isn't my day I guess.:)

I guess its just one example of how rumor can be perpetuated on the board

[Marianne]

Originally posted by Sweetly


Oh, I agree with your last sentence for sure. Maybe we can all get a discount on the huge rubber room and the sedatives, since there will be so many of us in the psych ward, after this case is all overwith, too. I'm on the threshold, myself, already!! hammer [/*]

a chloraform margurietta, my dear? The Green Lady from The Green Mile

[purplepoints]

Originally posted by WinnieLeigh7



:shrug:

alibies----did i spell that right, prolly not lol

to throw the cops off their trial, especially since they dont want le to suspect them...


to put distance away from the 'fight' weekend, the shovel instance

:confused: [/*]

Yeah, I guess if Cindy had already made statements in the 911 calls about "a month" or "31 days" (did she?) they couldn't have changed the date to a closer one, say June 24th, so the weekend before the fight weekend might make sense.

what day was the shovel instance?

[need2no]

Originally posted by luvinlife



It was so painful you would think it would be more memorable of a day for me, but FD isn't my day I guess.:)

I guess its just one example of how rumor can be perpetuated on the board [/*]


You are right about that...but since I need2know ;) I try to check facts before I rely on what is posted on the board.

[Pruddennce]

Originally posted by WinnieLeigh7
I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN CIRCLED REPEATEDLY...BUT I HAVE JUST A FEW SIMPLE 'DATE' QUESTIONS...

FIRST, WHY IS THIS FAMILY ALWAYS SPEAKING IN 'DAY' TERMS

SUCH AS MY DAUGHTER/GRANDDAUGHTER HAVE BEEN MISSING FOR 31 DAYS
VS. A MONTH OR OVER A MONTH AS 'NORMAL' PEOPLE WOULD DO

OR, THE PIZZA HAS BEEN IN THE CAR FOR 12 DAYS, IN THE HEAT...
VS. 2 WEEKS OR WHATEVER

MOST PEOPLE SPEAK IN 'GENERAL' TERMS YET THE ANTHONY ATTEMPT TO BE SPECIFIC WITH EXACT DAYS....


SO OKAY, LETS GO WITH THAT, WE HAVE A EX LE AND A NURSE, MAYBE IT'S THEIR 'CAREERS' THAT MAKE THEM SPECIFIC

31 DAYS BACK FROM THE TIME THE FIRST 911 CALL WAS MADE, WAS JUNE 14TH

12 DAYS BEFORE THE CAR WAS PICKED UP WAS JULY 3RD, WHICH WE KNOW THE CAR WAS AT AMSCOT FROM JUNE 27-30TH BEFORE THEY TOWED IT

JUNE 9TH WAS THE DATE THE ENTIRE FAMILY STATED ORIGINALLY THEY LAST SAW CAYLEE...I SO VERY MUCH FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THE ENTIRE FAMILY MISSED THIS DATE BTW

UNTIL CINDY WAS CONFRONTED ABOUT THE FATHER'S DAY VISIT, AND AS A 'SPECIFIC' DAY PERSON, SHOULD HAVE RECALLED SUCH A SIGNIFICANT DATE AS A HOLIDAY---FATHER'S DAY, CORRECT

AND JUST WHERE IS THE 12 DAYS COMING INTO PLAY, IS SHE SUGGESTING THAT WHOEVER PLACED THIS 'OTHER' DEAD BODY IN THE TRUNK CHOWED DOWN ON PIZZA AND PLACED IT IN THERE TOO...


AM I MAKING SENSE [/*]

respectfully snipped...

yes you are making sense.

its a very interesting observation and one which I too made myself...another '# of days' reference I bring up below regarding Amy:

she claimed that Casey told her that her mom had '30 days' to take back the agreement on the house.

thats kind of an elaborate appendage to Casey's lie....and a significant timeframe...

Im curious as to why Casey would engage her friend in a living arrangement that she knew was never going to happen.....and furthered the lie by saying her mother called it off...

seems like Cindy was well aware of her travels with a credit card trail...but no cash available, hence the stealing.

I wonder about this: did people start to call Cindy's home looking for Casey accusing her of theft?

the money grubbing and stealing didnt just begin with the grandmother, the parents, ryan and amy...and just end there.

they were inside of her circle...she certainly hit up others unknowingly OR 'borrowed' money that never got repaid...and we havent heard about THAT yet....

thats nagging at me. I see more accusations on the horizon.

best regards,
Pru

[Marianne]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Takotna


This is the very first I've heard about G going to work - and I've been looking for that. Where can I find more about that?

My speculation has been - G picked up the car at about 1:00pm. Took it home and C/G started cleaning it out. C didn't get hold of Amy on the phone until after 5pm...that's several hours right there. G didn't com home until just before 10pm - Lee arrived around 8:00pm and Cindy and Casey came home shortly thereafter.

I think they used this time to clean and cover - G got a whiff of the car before 1:00 in the afternoon. The dead body 911 call wasn't until 9:44pm - Then it was more time before LE got there.

About wetness in the trunk - I think you're on to something here. Perhaps this is EXACTLY WHY chloroform was used - it evaporates very quickly and would be less likely to be wet when LE came. (It's similar to finger nail polish remover - if you spill some on a counter, you can watch it evaporate - leaving no damp spot)

This is AllMO:) [/*][/QUOTE


Andwhy would George happen to have this very expensive chloroform handy in his garage? i dont believe the chloroform came from some derivative alternative mix as those substances/gases would have been found as well. And if he cleaned the car so well how come it left a stain and oder of decomposition and a hair?

You just wouldnt use chloroform to clean this up there are much better and cheper easily available products at the local grocery store or hardware...most importantly already in his garage.

Me thinks you are trying to hard to twist the evidence to justify a cause.

[sammielizabe]

Caysee borrowed this when? on the 18th of June. We are thinking that she borrowed this for what to bury or un-bury Caylee? Either way what did she do before or after she borrowed the shovel? Did she not need a shovel before or after to bury or unbury Caylee? Or did she use a different shovel? Perhaps the one in the shed that was supposedly locked. Something doesn't seem right to me here? Am I missing something?

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by eours1949
Have any forensics come back, confirmed? I've been gone for several days due to Gustav. Thanks.

Isabelle,
Ray's Mom [/*]


I hope everything is okay with house and family.



They have still only confirmed preliminary results for the hair with the decomp band, decomp gases in trunk and now evidence of chloroform in the trunk (significant levels)
this is all confirmed by LE

I can't remember anything else right now.

[Shellberry]

Originally posted by Marianne
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Takotna


This is the very first I've heard about G going to work - and I've been looking for that. Where can I find more about that?

My speculation has been - G picked up the car at about 1:00pm. Took it home and C/G started cleaning it out. C didn't get hold of Amy on the phone until after 5pm...that's several hours right there. G didn't com home until just before 10pm - Lee arrived around 8:00pm and Cindy and Casey came home shortly thereafter.

I think they used this time to clean and cover - G got a whiff of the car before 1:00 in the afternoon. The dead body 911 call wasn't until 9:44pm - Then it was more time before LE got there.

About wetness in the trunk - I think you're on to something here. Perhaps this is EXACTLY WHY chloroform was used - it evaporates very quickly and would be less likely to be wet when LE came. (It's similar to finger nail polish remover - if you spill some on a counter, you can watch it evaporate - leaving no damp spot)

This is AllMO:) [/*][/QUOTE


Andwhy would George happen to have this very expensive chloroform handy in his garage? i dont believe the chloroform came from some derivative alternative mix as those substances/gases would have been found as well. And if he cleaned the car so well how come it left a stain and oder of decomposition and a hair?

You just wouldnt use chloroform to clean this up there are much better and cheper easily available products at the local grocery store or hardware...most importantly already in his garage.

Me thinks you are trying to hard to twist the evidence to justify a cause. [/*]
do you live in florida marianne?
to make your own chloroform-you only need 2 things, one of which most people already have on hand.

if you are a FL resident, you know fire ants and some other insects are a great pain.
chloroform is a way to kill them for sure in your yard.
I really wouldnt find it odd if they had some in their locked shed for the purpose of killing fire ants-especially with a child running around the yard.
have you ever gotten bit by a fire ant?
have you ever seen a child that has fire ant bites?





imo/jmo

[Marianne]

Originally posted by ccat


And yet, Casey's computer reveals searches for Chloroform? [/*]

Does LE have proof of George having chloroform or chloroform based products in his garage?

And he used this.....because he smelled decomposition of a dead body and thought someone at the two station or the check cashing place just chucked a body in there temporarily...other thaqn his own daughter that is?

Never can tell in florida what will happen...I am really glad george is no longer a sherrif.

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by Pruddennce


respectfully snipped...

yes you are making sense.

its a very interesting observation and one which I too made myself...another '# of days' reference I bring up below regarding Amy:

she claimed that Casey told her that her mom had '30 days' to take back the agreement on the house.

thats kind of an elaborate appendage to Casey's lie....and a significant timeframe...

Im curious as to why Casey would engage her friend in a living arrangement that she knew was never going to happen.....and furthered the lie by saying her mother called it off...

seems like Cindy was well aware of her travels with a credit card trail...but no cash available, hence the stealing.

I wonder about this: did people start to call Cindy's home looking for Casey accusing her of theft?

the money grubbing and stealing didnt just begin with the grandmother, the parents, ryan and amy...and just end there.

they were inside of her circle...she certainly hit up others unknowingly OR 'borrowed' money that never got repaid...and we havent heard about THAT yet....

thats nagging at me. I see more accusations on the horizon.

best regards,
Pru [/*]


Well fox 35 did report today 12 new supeonas (sp?) maybe more and the friends she listed weren't any I had heard of before.

[purplepoints]

Originally posted by Pruddennce


Im curious as to why Casey would engage her friend in a living arrangement that she knew was never going to happen.....and furthered the lie by saying her mother called it off...
[/*]


respectfully snipped...

Unfortunantly, I know two pathalogical liars and neither of them need a reason to lie. They just do. Often there is no reason behind the lies.

But in this case, perhaps Casey wanted to endear herself to Amy - didn't Amy need somewhere to live?- so she said, hey, I am getting my parents house come live with me. This gave her some weeks to buddy up to Amy about all their great plans for living together. Casey knew she could just make up some more lies in the end to explain why they really couldn't do this.

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by luvinlife



I hope everything is okay with house and family.



They have still only confirmed preliminary results for the hair with the decomp band, decomp gases in trunk and now evidence of chloroform in the trunk (significant levels)
this is all confirmed by LE

I can't remember anything else right now. [/*]

I've been out most of the day. who confirmed the test results?

[Pruddennce]

Originally posted by purplepoints
Ok, for argument's sake, let's say that they all knew it was the 15th that they last saw her but decided to say it was the 9th. Why? What could be gained by adding that extra week on there. It only makes it look worse that Caylee was missing for 5 weeks. Anyone have any ideas on what saying it had been a while week longer could have gained them? [/*]

reflecting back to the statements, the beginning: yes, its EXTREMELY odd that they were all a weekend off in the dates....all 3 of them.

I cant pin down anything because there are so many lies.

Cindy says JUNE 7th, with convinction on the 911 call.
- amends her written statement to JUNE 8th

George's statement: JUNE 9TH

Casey - JUNE 9TH DROP OFF
but: JUNE 12th spoke to Z.-Gonazales

best regards,
Pru

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by eours1949
Chloroform found in Casey's car? Was it used with marijuana? Didn't Casey's boyfriend Tony state that marijuana was sometimes used?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom [/*]


I believe it was from the air samples I don't think there was a bottle or anything.

I am not even sure if it was air samples or not I don't think they've told us how they know.

Don't know how it was used just that they found evidence of it in the car trunk and that someone searched how to use it from her computer.

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


I've been out most of the day. who confirmed the test results? [/*]


Just LE confirming the preliminary tests from last week.

[AlohaRainbow]

Originally posted by concernedmom
Where is the other cam, the aerial one? [/*]
i have to admit - an aerial cam over the anthony's house - makes me think of "one flew over the cuckoo's nest"
:read:

[Takotna]

Originally posted by Marianne
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Takotna


This is the very first I've heard about G going to work - and I've been looking for that. Where can I find more about that?

My speculation has been - G picked up the car at about 1:00pm. Took it home and C/G started cleaning it out. C didn't get hold of Amy on the phone until after 5pm...that's several hours right there. G didn't com home until just before 10pm - Lee arrived around 8:00pm and Cindy and Casey came home shortly thereafter.

I think they used this time to clean and cover - G got a whiff of the car before 1:00 in the afternoon. The dead body 911 call wasn't until 9:44pm - Then it was more time before LE got there.

About wetness in the trunk - I think you're on to something here. Perhaps this is EXACTLY WHY chloroform was used - it evaporates very quickly and would be less likely to be wet when LE came. (It's similar to finger nail polish remover - if you spill some on a counter, you can watch it evaporate - leaving no damp spot)

This is AllMO:) [/*][/QUOTE


Andwhy would George happen to have this very expensive chloroform handy in his garage? i dont believe the chloroform came from some derivative alternative mix as those substances/gases would have been found as well. And if he cleaned the car so well how come it left a stain and oder of decomposition and a hair?

You just wouldnt use chloroform to clean this up there are much better and cheper easily available products at the local grocery store or hardware...most importantly already in his garage.

Me thinks you are trying to hard to twist the evidence to justify a cause. [/*]


Chloroform wouldn't have occured to me in a million years had it not been reported. I have been around chloroform, albeit infrequently, but enough to know it's not far fetched to think someone might have some. I posted earlier I rented a house not too long ago and there were several containers of it in the shed.

I didn't say the car was cleaned well - only that chloroform is known as a cleaning agent. Its evaporative qualities would make it ideal under the circumstances.

I was trying to make sense of a weird chemical being in the trunk. It makes more sense to me that it was introduced into the trunk after it was picked up from the towyard - because flies flying out of a trunk full of chloroform makes no sense to me at all.:shrug:

I'm sure there are a myriad of other reasons chloroform could be in the trunk - this is merely the one I suggested.

:) AllMO

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by eours1949
Luvinlife

Thanks. All is well with my family, but many others are not as fortunate.

Think maybe the chloroform was usesd with marijuana by Casey and friends.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom [/*]


Could be someone else had a link that it could be used in making meth. Its in the links thread.

I am glad all is well with your family.

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by luvinlife



Just LE confirming the preliminary tests from last week. [/*]

Oh.

I believe the chloroform story is credited to an unnamed source.

[Pruddennce]

Originally posted by purplepoints



respectfully snipped...

Unfortunantly, I know two pathalogical liars and neither of them need a reason to lie. They just do. Often there is no reason behind the lies.

But in this case, perhaps Casey wanted to endear herself to Amy - didn't Amy need somewhere to live?- so she said, hey, I am getting my parents house come live with me. This gave her some weeks to buddy up to Amy about all their great plans for living together. Casey knew she could just make up some more lies in the end to explain why they really couldn't do this. [/*]

thanks for the tug back.......I keep forgetting that Casey isnt a long term planner...no goals, she just 'is'.......

best regards,
Pru

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


Oh.

I believe the chloroform story is credited to an unnamed source. [/*]

No your right maybe I wasn't clear I just meant about the hair death band and decomp smell.

[purplepoints]

I was trying to make sense of a weird chemical being in the trunk. It makes more sense to me that it was introduced into the trunk after it was picked up from the towyard - because flies flying out of a trunk full of chloroform makes no sense to me at all. [/*]

respectfully snipped...

I totally agree - wouldn't the chloroform have killed or knocked out any insects in the trunk?

And also, wouldn't some have possibly invaded the interior of the car and affected George while he was driving it home? Or does it lose it's effectiveness over time and still showed up in tests as being present in the trunk, but couldn't do any damage to living things at that point?

But yeah, if they just had it sitting around the shed and used it to clean up the trunk, then why was there searches for it on the computer?

[Takotna]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


Oh.

I believe the chloroform story is credited to an unnamed source. [/*]

In the chloroform thread on the 3 page it quotes a FL chemist, and there's a link.

:confused: :shrug: allMO

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by luvinlife


No your right maybe I wasn't clear I just meant about the hair death band and decomp smell. [/*]

I don't think I'll consider it confirmed until LE considers it proof enough for an arrest. If they really have the proof they've leaked to the media, they have enough to go to trial without a body. IMO

[OneUp]

Originally posted by purplepoints
Ok, for argument's sake, let's say that they all knew it was the 15th that they last saw her but decided to say it was the 9th. Why? What could be gained by adding that extra week on there. It only makes it look worse that Caylee was missing for 5 weeks. Anyone have any ideas on what saying it had been a while week longer could have gained them? [/*]Simple IMO, it puts greater space between the last time they wanted LE to think they were withCaylee and her actual TOD. Mattering on how it was done, and the conditions surrounding the remains, the TOD could be determined within days OR be nearly impossible to determine. Casey et al wouldn't be SURE though.
If she was placed in a dumpster and the remains located...there might be receipts or a newspaper in with her and thus "date" the dump day.
If she went into a dumpster on the 17th, and a newspaper from the 17th was found piled in the same heap, or actually in the bag, LE would know she was dumped on that date ( the17th is just a random choice on my part). If Casey and family last had her on the 9th, then obviously the big bad kidnappers did it, a whole week+ later.
I also think reading over the interviews that were released, that the 9th was the best day they could come up with when Outside people would confirm Caylee was in Casey's care as they both stayed the night with Ricardo.
The only other people to see Caylee after were TonE's roomate Clint who says he saw Caylee on the 13th.( I think they felt he had moved on when he moved out of TonE's and wouldn't be located by police as a witness).
...and Chrisitine Chester, Casey's friend. She took a walk w/Casey and Caylee on the 12th, 13th, 14th...she was not sure which day.( I think they didn't worry about her as she was Casey's friend so they thought she wouldn't want to incriminate/disagree, AND her vagueness about the date makes her seem like her statement wouldn't bear much weight w/LE. maybe she is a scatterbrain?).
JMO, my thoughts on the "oddness" with the dates that was consistent with all the Anthony Family members.

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


I don't think I'll consider it confirmed until LE considers it proof enough for an arrest. If they really have the proof they've leaked to the media, they have enough to go to trial without a body. IMO [/*]


I know, I am starting to think they samples are too degraded or something to say 100% that Caylee is dead. Why would they not have anything more than preliminary results back.

I think that is why they seem desperate to find her body.



Or they are holding off so they can charge her with 1st degree murder and can't do that without her body.

I don't know I jump from one thought to the other, I just want her charged and I want Caylee found, I guess I am getting impatient.

[purplepoints]

Originally posted by OneUp
Simple IMO, it puts greater space between the last time they wanted LE to think they were withCaylee and her actual TOD. Mattering on how it was done, and the conditions surrounding the remains, the TOD could be determined within days OR be nearly impossible to determine. Casey et al wouldn't be SURE though.
If she was placed in a dumpster and the remains located...there might be receipts or a newspaper in with her and thus "date" the dump day.
If she went into a dumpster on the 17th, and a newspaper from the 17th was found piled in the same heap, or actually in the bag, LE would know she was dumped on that date ( the17th is just a random choice on my part). If Casey and family last had her on the 9th, then obviously the big bad kidnappers did it, a whole week+ later.
I also think reading over the interviews that were released, that the 9th was the best day they could come up with when Outside people would confirm Caylee was in Casey's care as they both stayed the night with Ricardo.
The only other people to see Caylee after were TonE's roomate Clint who says he saw Caylee on the 13th.( I think they felt he had moved on when he moved out of TonE's and wouldn't be located by police as a witness).
...and Chrisitine Chester, Casey's friend. She took a walk w/Casey and Caylee on the 12th, 13th, 14th...she was not sure which day.( I think they didn't worry about her as she was Casey's friend so they thought she wouldn't want to incriminate/disagree, AND her vagueness about the date makes her seem like her statement wouldn't bear much weight w/LE. maybe she is a scatterbrain?).
JMO, my thoughts on the "oddness" with the dates that was consistent with all the Anthony Family members. [/*]


This all makes some sense as well!

And they changed their story now to be the 15th and 16th because of the video that LE found on the computer, when in fact the date could in reality be something totally different.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Pruddennce


respectfully snipped...

yes you are making sense.

its a very interesting observation and one which I too made myself...another '# of days' reference I bring up below regarding Amy:

she claimed that Casey told her that her mom had '30 days' to take back the agreement on the house.

thats kind of an elaborate appendage to Casey's lie....and a significant timeframe...

Im curious as to why Casey would engage her friend in a living arrangement that she knew was never going to happen.....and furthered the lie by saying her mother called it off...

seems like Cindy was well aware of her travels with a credit card trail...but no cash available, hence the stealing.

I wonder about this: did people start to call Cindy's home looking for Casey accusing her of theft?

the money grubbing and stealing didnt just begin with the grandmother, the parents, ryan and amy...and just end there.

they were inside of her circle...she certainly hit up others unknowingly OR 'borrowed' money that never got repaid...and we havent heard about THAT yet....

thats nagging at me. I see more accusations on the horizon.

best regards,
Pru [/*]

I've wondered the very same thing. I can't see even a pathological liar discussing a living arrangement that she know from the get-go wasn't going to come true. I think it was a real plan that Cindy later put the kaboosh on. That 30-day date is significant, imo, because Casey threw it right into Cindy's face that Caylee was missing "31" days. It sounds like pay-back to me, i.e., "You took away the house, I took away your granddaughter."

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by Takotna


In the chloroform thread on the 3 page it quotes a FL chemist, and there's a link.

:confused: :shrug: allMO [/*]

I read the thread. The chemist is opining as to what the presence of chloroform could mean. He didn't conduct the tests in this case, nor is he privy to the results.

:shrug:

[Takotna]

Originally posted by purplepoints


respectfully snipped...

I totally agree - wouldn't the chloroform have killed or knocked out any insects in the trunk?

And also, wouldn't some have possibly invaded the interior of the car and affected George while he was driving it home? Or does it lose it's effectiveness over time and still showed up in tests as being present in the trunk, but couldn't do any damage to living things at that point?

But yeah, if they just had it sitting around the shed and used it to clean up the trunk, then why was there searches for it on the computer? [/*]


Yup - in a closed trunk the insects wouldn't have a chance they'd be dead.

I think we may be on the same track - the one thing that is key to this line of thinking is when the searches were made.

I think C/G were grasping at anything they could use to get the smell out of the car. "Oh, lookie here, I wonder if this chloroform would do the trick?" "Let's Google it!":)

All the posts about decomp suggest the smell is quite stubborn. Perhaps they would have been better leaving it alone. AllMO:)

[Shellberry]

Originally posted by purplepoints



This all makes some sense as well!

And they changed their story now to be the 15th and 16th because of the video that LE found on the computer, when in fact the date could in reality be something totally different. [/*]

I agree with you both
I still think it was the 9th as well- the weekend before FD.
I think the gm took caylee up for an early fd visit.
imo/jmo
they all got that date wrong...
there has got to be a reason why


again, imo/jmo

[OneUp]

Originally posted by purplepoints


respectfully snipped...

I totally agree - wouldn't the chloroform have killed or knocked out any insects in the trunk?

And also, wouldn't some have possibly invaded the interior of the car and affected George while he was driving it home? Or does it lose it's effectiveness over time and still showed up in tests as being present in the trunk, but couldn't do any damage to living things at that point?

But yeah, if they just had it sitting around the shed and used it to clean up the trunk, then why was there searches for it on the computer? [/*]Regarding why the flies may not have been gassed in the trunk, I read either here or searching online that Chloroform is heavier than air. So in a still trunk ( sealed somewhat, though far from airtight), there wouldn't be alot of air movement so it would "lay" low in the vacancy unless disrupted by movement leaving the air "good" in the upper reaches of the trunk.I know a trunk is not airtight, but people have suffocated in them haven't they? If so, there must not be much air transfer with outside air.
BTW, God help my fellow posters forgive me!!! Every time I say "it's simple..." I proceed to write "war and Peace". LOL Sorry!
JMO...Not sure about my "science" above, but it sort of makes sense...

[Takotna]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


I read the thread. The chemist is opining as to what the presence of chloroform could mean. He didn't conduct the tests in this case, nor is he privy to the results.

:shrug: [/*]

I'm hoping we've not given so much thought to a phantom idea...
I'll be looking for something more concrete on this topic!:shrug:

[purplepoints]

Originally posted by Takotna



Yup - in a closed trunk the insects wouldn't have a chance they'd be dead.

I think we may be on the same track - the one thing that is key to this line of thinking is when the searches were made.

I think C/G were grasping at anything they could use to get the smell out of the car. "Oh, lookie here, I wonder if this chloroform would do the trick?" "Let's Google it!":)

All the posts about decomp suggest the smell is quite stubborn. Perhaps they would have been better leaving it alone. AllMO:) [/*]

Very interesting thinking! Geez, it sure would be nice to know when those searches were made.

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by Takotna



Yup - in a closed trunk the insects wouldn't have a chance they'd be dead.

I think we may be on the same track - the one thing that is key to this line of thinking is when the searches were made.

I think C/G were grasping at anything they could use to get the smell out of the car. "Oh, lookie here, I wonder if this chloroform would do the trick?" "Let's Google it!":)

All the posts about decomp suggest the smell is quite stubborn. Perhaps they would have been better leaving it alone. AllMO:) [/*]


I would like someone to ask the chem expert guy about this.

Tonight he explained on NG that chloroform is heavier than air, do you think it is possible for the insects to survive with the fresh air that came in the trunk, trunks are not air tight.

Also someone mentioned earlier tonight that we don't know what significant amount means exactly, could be a very small amount that isn't normally present, but not enough to kill insects after the time in the tow yard. Just random thoughts. I don't understand any of this. :confused:

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by luvinlife



I know, I am starting to think they samples are too degraded or something to say 100% that Caylee is dead. Why would they not have anything more than preliminary results back.

I think that is why they seem desperate to find her body.



Or they are holding off so they can charge her with 1st degree murder and can't do that without her body.

I don't know I jump from one thought to the other, I just want her charged and I want Caylee found, I guess I am getting impatient. [/*]

I believe Casey is responsible for Caylee's death, but I'm not yet convinced that the body was in the car. The time line just doesn't work for me.

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by OneUp
Regarding why the flies may not have been gassed in the trunk, I read either here or searching online that Chloroform is heavier than air. So in a still trunk ( sealed somewhat, though far from airtight), there wouldn't be alot of air movement so it would "lay" low in the vacancy unless disrupted by movement leaving the air "good" in the upper reaches of the trunk.I know a trunk is not airtight, but people have suffocated in them haven't they? If so, there must not be much air transfer with outside air.
BTW, God help my fellow posters forgive me!!! Every time I say "it's simple..." I proceed to write "war and Peace". LOL Sorry!
JMO...Not sure about my "science" above, but it sort of makes sense... [/*]


:lol:

not laughing at you I posted just about the same thing at the same time.

[OneUp]

O/T when you quote one of my posts, please feel free to snip w/o mercy...they are embarrassingly long.:o
TY.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by purplepoints


Yeah, I guess if Cindy had already made statements in the 911 calls about "a month" or "31 days" (did she?) they couldn't have changed the date to a closer one, say June 24th, so the weekend before the fight weekend might make sense.

what day was the shovel instance? [/*]

Didn't Cindy say that those weekends (June 9th versus June15th) got mixed up because she had forgotten that she took some time off from work for a couple of days, prior to June 15th weekend?

[need2no]

Has LE ever confirmed the existence of maggotts in the trunk?

[GrannyB]

Originally posted by Shellberry


I agree with you both
I still think it was the 9th as well- the weekend before FD.
I think the gm took caylee up for an early fd visit.
imo/jmo
they all got that date wrong...
there has got to be a reason why


again, imo/jmo [/*]


I thought LE verified with the nursing it was father's day.

[OneUp]

Originally posted by luvinlife



:lol:

not laughing at you I posted just about the same thing at the same time. [/*]That happens frequently to me...I suddenly feel alot less Sherlock, when five other posters have the same AHA! moment as Me!:D
If one of you has the Super Secret Sleuth Post from the ABC site that has been making rounds will you please PM it to me. I didn't watch 20/20 tonight, but I'm all out of self control and moral highroad after that.
I wanna know what all the Kool Kids know!

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by need2no
Has LE ever confirmed the existence of maggotts in the trunk? [/*]



I dont recall reading it in the doc drop, the last confirmation we seem to have is the tow guy seeing them in the garbage bag.

[purplepoints]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Didn't Cindy say that those weekends (June 9th versus June15th) got mixed up because she had forgotten that she took some time off from work for a couple of days, prior to June 15th weekend? [/*]

Wonder if they were doing "damage control" during her time off.

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by OneUp
That happens frequently to me...I suddenly feel alot less Sherlock, when five other posters have the same AHA! moment as Me!:D
If one of you has the Super Secret Sleuth Post from the ABC site that has been making rounds will you please PM it to me. I didn't watch 20/20 tonight, but I'm all out of self control and moral highroad after that.
I wanna know what all the Kool Kids know! [/*]




I know what you mean, and sometimes I post something that seems so insiteful and I find out I have some fact wrong. I really try hard to get the facts right, but I do mess up sometimes. hammer

I posted them on the links thread last page.

I hope they all work for you.

[need2no]

Originally posted by luvinlife




I dont recall reading it in the doc drop, the last confirmation we seem to have is the tow guy seeing them in the garbage bag. [/*]


Thanks...I didn't recall LE ever confirming this.

I need to go back and read the docs again...I didn't remember this being mentioned by the tow guy. Of course I was cross eyed and brain dead from so much to read and apparently skipped right over it.

[purplepoints]

Originally posted by purplepoints


Wonder if they were doing "damage control" during her time off. [/*]

OOPS! After I read that I realized that is stupid because we already know for sure that Caylee was alive on FD the 15th. hammer

[Takotna]

Originally posted by luvinlife



I would like someone to ask the chem expert guy about this.

Tonight he explained on NG that chloroform is heavier than air, do you think it is possible for the insects to survive with the fresh air that came in the trunk, trunks are not air tight.

Also someone mentioned earlier tonight that we don't know what significant amount means exactly, could be a very small amount that isn't normally present, but not enough to kill insects after the time in the tow yard. Just random thoughts. I don't understand any of this. :confused: [/*]


Basically, I don't think the chloroform was in the trunk in the tow yard. I suppose it's possible flies could get in the trunk and fly around above the level of the fumes. But then there's the maggots in the trashbag - they would have been dead. I think they need to test the trash for chloroform residue - If the tests are negtive, that means the chloroform was introduced to the trunk after it left the tow yard. I'm sure LE has thought of this.

If the tests are positive then we know flies can live in a trunk with chloroform fumes:lol:

I never thought I'd contemplate flies to this extent! oh well - it is interesting....
AllMO:)

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


I believe Casey is responsible for Caylee's death, but I'm not yet convinced that the body was in the car. The time line just doesn't work for me. [/*]



I am not sure i am convinced of that either.

She could have transfered something in her car, ie blanket ,clothing or something that contained the body (sorry)that had the decomp smell embedded in it and put it in the car, to me that would explain the shovel she tried to bury or hide this once she realized it made the whole car smell and then decided to burn that evidence (gas cans) to get rid of it. But the car still smelled so she had to ditch it.

Again just my best guess and I know nothing about decomp so I don't know.

[OneUp]

Originally posted by GrannyB



I thought LE verified with the nursing it was father's day. [/*]They did, with NH staff, also took the sign in sheet AND Great Grandma gave a statement that Caylee was there on the 15th.
I didn't mean the REAL TOD was the 9th, I meant it was on or after the 15th. That Casey wanted it to look like she had not had Caylee since the 9th, hence if she died on the 17th she was no longer in Casey's care and hadn't been for a week+. IMO, that was the appearance she was trying to create. Saying 31 days was just a "Freudian" slip" .
That to make it look like Caylee was missing since the 9th the video shouldn't have turned it over to LE as it "caught" the actual date unbeknowst to them ( or one person didn't have "the script" yet). The FD vidoeo was turned over by George was it not? Or was it found by LE?
all JMO, of course

[Joan Weiss]

Originally posted by OneUp
Regarding why the flies may not have been gassed in the trunk, I read either here or searching online that Chloroform is heavier than air. So in a still trunk ( sealed somewhat, though far from airtight), there wouldn't be alot of air movement so it would "lay" low in the vacancy unless disrupted by movement leaving the air "good" in the upper reaches of the trunk.I know a trunk is not airtight, but people have suffocated in them haven't they? If so, there must not be much air transfer with outside air.
BTW, God help my fellow posters forgive me!!! Every time I say "it's simple..." I proceed to write "war and Peace". LOL Sorry!
JMO...Not sure about my "science" above, but it sort of makes sense... [/*]yes, that makes perfect sense. :cool:

[Takotna]

Originally posted by need2no



Thanks...I didn't recall LE ever confirming this.

I need to go back and read the docs again...I didn't remember this being mentioned by the tow guy. Of course I was cross eyed and brain dead from so much to read and apparently skipped right over it. [/*]

The police retrieved the bag of trash from the tow yard - I don't know if LE actually confirmed maggots.

There are two people who reaclled maggots 1) the tow guy 2) Cindy - and she didn't actually see them.....:) AllMO

[need2no]

Originally posted by OneUp
They did, with NH staff, also took the sign in sheet AND Great Grandma gave a statement that Caylee was there on the 15th.
I didn't mean the REAL TOD was the 9th, I meant it was on or after the 15th. That Casey wanted it to look like she had not had Caylee since the 9th, hence if she died on the 17th she was no longer in Casey's care and hadn't been for a week+. IMO, that was the appearance she was trying to create. Saying 31 days was just a "Freudian" slip" .
That to make it look like Caylee was missing since the 9th the video shouldn't have turned it over to LE as it "caught" the actual date unbeknowst to them ( or one person didn't have "the script" yet). The FD vidoeo was turned over by George was it not? Or was it found by LE?
all JMO, of course [/*]

IIRC LE found the video on the computer they took from the Anthony's.

[need2no]

Originally posted by Takotna


The police retrieved the bag of trash from the tow yard - I don't know if LE actually confirmed maggots.

There are two people who reaclled maggots 1) the tow guy 2) Cindy - and she didn't actually see them.....:) AllMO [/*]

OK, so I guess we can believe the tow guy. ;)

[OneUp]

Originally posted by Joan Weiss
yes, that makes perfect sense. :cool: [/*]Ah! Glad to see you are around Joan! Your mere presence seems to smooth out the tangles in my brain!
I'm trying to get my previously posted thought on the dates issue to make as much sense in print as it does in my head...I don't think I am getting my point made accurately.:(
Frustrating...everything about this mess is frustrating! I keep thinking if I just had a fact or two that I could make it all make sense!
YKWIM?

[GrannyB]

Originally posted by OneUp
They did, with NH staff, also took the sign in sheet AND Great Grandma gave a statement that Caylee was there on the 15th.
I didn't mean the REAL TOD was the 9th, I meant it was on or after the 15th. That Casey wanted it to look like she had not had Caylee since the 9th, hence if she died on the 17th she was no longer in Casey's care and hadn't been for a week+. IMO, that was the appearance she was trying to create. Saying 31 days was just a "Freudian" slip" .
That to make it look like Caylee was missing since the 9th the video shouldn't have turned it over to LE as it "caught" the actual date unbeknowst to them ( or one person didn't have "the script" yet). The FD vidoeo was turned over by George was it not? Or was it found by LE?
all JMO, of course [/*]



I wonder if she did have Caylee between the 9th and the 15th. Maybe Cindy had her. I can't get past Cindy is the last one to be seen with Caylee on the 15th. Not one person (that we know of) has said they saw Casey with Caylee after that date. Except George and he doesn't count in my eyes cause they all lie.

[Pruddennce]

Originally posted by GrannyB



I thought LE verified with the nursing it was father's day. [/*]

yes, the visit was verified by LE.

my personal opinion is she officially left the home the weekend before and it was a nasty scene.....then she came back and allowed Caylee to visit with her grandfather.....then she left again.

this entire story of 'just another day', her leaving for work on the 16th is bogus. IMO

so yes, I do have any opinion as to why they were working with those dates.....with all the lies, its hard to imagine what the heck was going on with the initial missing dates...

considering that Cindy A called Ryan P to check some inconsistencies with Casey and was advised yes, she lied about Sports Authority employment...and then she told Ryan she was a thief and liar and to stay away from her.

lots going on leading up to June 7 thru the 15th.

I think those initial dates hold significance for each of them

best regards,
Pru

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by need2no



Thanks...I didn't recall LE ever confirming this.

I need to go back and read the docs again...I didn't remember this being mentioned by the tow guy. Of course I was cross eyed and brain dead from so much to read and apparently skipped right over it. [/*]



page 316 of docs about half way down

[OneUp]

Originally posted by GrannyB




I wonder if she did have Caylee between the 9th and the 15th. Maybe Cindy had her. I can't get past Cindy is the last one to be seen with Caylee on the 15th. Not one person (that we know of) has said they saw Casey with Caylee after that date. Except George and he doesn't count in my eyes cause they all lie. [/*]I def. agree with that last sentence!
I am GUESSING that the twelve new subpoenas delivered today were to at least some witnesses whose testimony was not included in the document dump, and that there is some info. there that we would all find mighty interesting. There are definitely many holes in the information! I found myself feeling agitated while trying to read them because I would wonder why an obvious question was not asked...then I finally realized that there was likely alot missing. Anything pertaining to Homicide, not Neglect would not have been released.
I don't think the whole story will ever be known though. Even if caylee is found, ther ewill always be so many questions.
JMO.

[velvetbrown]

I feel that GA is in this up to his neck in a cover up for Casey. She has never been disciplined or held accountable for anything in her life...GA is retired LE, he knows death when he smells it...as a nurse, so does Cindy. After a month of 'Where's Caylee?" , and finding the car, pants etc...DENY DENY DENY...just like PvDS in Aruba...no body no crime. Poor Caylee is dead and gone, they don't want to lose Casey now too. Very pathologic family...almost makes the Peterson's look sane...maybe they should start support group for Scott and Casey...pen pals and such...:vomit:

[luvinlife]

Anyone else being logged out tonight.

It has been happening all day, tonight being worse, I go to post and I'm not logged in or I finish my response and I can't send it because I was logged out and had to start all over.

It is getting annoying.

Maybe it is some kind of hint

[OneUp]

This case is just becoming impossible to follow. Between the lies, the rumors, the "unsubstantiated" leaks...I can''t seem to keep a thing straightened out in my mind.
Being tired is not helping that cause either! I can't believe I am up so late again! Had to drive nearly an hour to take care of my father, he's a diabetic and his insulin levels were way off...he calls me very disoriented when this happens and simply will not go to the hospital. It's ok though, he IS my dad.
I am DEf. in need of mental "down time" this weekend so I can get my facts straight with the information here, and allow it to "marinate". I don't think I will have any epiphanies, but at least I will be able to follow along without getting sidetracked fact checking every second. :)
I am taking off to get some rest now, good night Ladies and gents!
:seeya:

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by OneUp
This case is just becoming impossible to follow. Between the lies, the rumors, the "unsubstantiated" leaks...I can''t seem to keep a thing straightened out in my mind.
Being tired is not helping that cause either! I can't believe I am up so late again! Had to drive nearly an hour to take care of my father, he's a diabetic and his insulin levels were way off...he calls me very disoriented when this happens and simply will not go to the hospital. It's ok though, he IS my dad.
I am DEf. in need of mental "down time" this weekend so I can get my facts straight with the information here, and allow it to "marinate". I don't think I will have any epiphanies, but at least I will be able to follow along without getting sidetracked fact checking every second. :)
I am taking off to get some rest now, good night Ladies and gents!
:seeya: [/*]



I know what you mean.


Have a good night.:seeya:

[Takotna]

:seeya: Have a restful night.

:rose: for Caylee

[luvinlife]

So I just sent NG a question for the chem expert Mr FLowers, and I want her to ask him about the flies and maggots, maybe (I doubt it) she will ask for us. I don't know any chem people.

[Marianne]

Originally posted by TN Serenity



Exactly. Padilla stated they held Casey down and took Caylee (if I understood him correctly). He didn't say that Casey voluntarily left Caylee with Zanny.

Oh .. and they drove off in a 2008 .. hhmm .. was it a Ford Focus?

:shrug: [/*]


It was a Hummer. So isn't the thirty days to get out of town script over...isnt she free now to talk.

And these 'trusted' friends who held her down they ..their trust and 'good character' is the reason Casey can hold her head high and plead innocent? Because that is what both Cindy and Casey claim.

And this is the reason Casey can say "I feel her...she is near". And yet she can in the next episode claim that she does not know where she is.

And the chloform, the dead body and the jeans...oh well it must of been Casey who found the deaqd body of someone else that someone else had stashed in her trunk and she got the body out and dumped it somewhere and thast is how the smell got on her jeans but it wasn't Caylee's because she had already handed Caylee over to two Mexicans (presumably) to take care of Caylee for the rest of her life.....even though they threatened to hurt her.

AQnd she was so terribly upset about it all that she immediately called her boyfriend to pick her up at 7 am so she could make breakfast for him and tell him her little babe was in the hands of a zanny at the beach. Oh fun...Oh joy.

Of course she didnt want to call her dad or her mom she didnt want them to know where she was...she was supposed to be on vacation in Jacksonville....really? With a stolen car and credit card.

As an afterthought...if Casey was considered a good mom I bet it was because of all the hard wirk and training her grandparents had put in.

[starling]

Originally posted by luvinlife
Anyone else being logged out tonight.

It has been happening all day, tonight being worse, I go to post and I'm not logged in or I finish my response and I can't send it because I was logged out and had to start all over.

It is getting annoying.

Maybe it is some kind of hint [/*]

:seeya: clear your cookies...
sometimes that does the trick

[Marianne]

Originally posted by dreamtime

____________________________-
Tonight, Leonard P, said that George was working.

Did I hear that right?
I did not know he had a new job. [/*]


Are you saying that Casey ran out of gas with Caylee's body in the trunk and left it there for her parents to find? And it was George and the towman who threw it over the fence...so that is how Cindy knew and why she was so upset...and this is what she and George are covering.

They may be acting but I'm not so sure they are that good.

[Marianne]

Originally posted by purplepoints
If boyfriend picked Casey up cause car ran out of gas, why would she have said her dad was taking care of it, going to take it to garage, gave mechanics names and say she was going to get a new car?

I know the answer is because Casey lies, but why did Tony even accept this line of thought? Do people normally have their cars repaired when they run out of gas?

And why didn't Casey know Tony's phone number? Why did she have to keep asking her brother for the number when she called home from jail? [/*]

i always thought that she wanted to talk to Tony in order to coach him as to what to say. She wanted to be incontrol and feed his mind with the info she wanted him to tell police.

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by starling


:seeya: clear your cookies...
sometimes that does the trick [/*]


Thanks I will try that.

[luvinlife]

I really don't know what this means but it doesn't sound good


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-090608,0,4836790.story

[Marianne]

Originally posted by irishbosoxfa


snipped>>>

I broke out a calendar and couldn't make it work either

Because she was saying 31 days and that made it June 15 but then everyone saying June 9th

Add to that Cindy saying in the car"I already gave you 30 days"

Why add a week to it??

It's bugged me for a while [/*]


ummmm this is interesting because the conversqtion was the taped jail convo where Casey says "one day" and Cindy says "I'll give you one month".

So 'one day' would make it 31...OK that's July and 30 makes for august....End of the kidnap contract.

[GrannyB]

Originally posted by luvinlife
I really don't know what this means but it doesn't sound good


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-090608,0,4836790.story [/*]



I do really think Cindy and George are going to end up in jail. I wouldn't be surprised to find out Casey doesn't know what the heck is going on.

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by GrannyB




I do really think Cindy and George are going to end up in jail. I wouldn't be surprised to find out Casey doesn't know what the heck is going on. [/*]


I am still trying to give the benifit of doubt, I really can't figure them out yet.

I wonder what they would go looking for at this time of night and what made them get it today.

[Marianne]

Originally posted by INCNTUTLPRVN


I can't get it out of my head that Lee may be the baby daddy (caysey + Lee = Caylee)

She kept her pregnancy a secret for 7 months

Shows up with an obituary from an old boyfriend and shows it to Cindy "after" he died

Even Cindy doesn't know who the baby daddy is. She's hiding something.

Wanted to give the baby up for adoption (ashamed perhaps)??

Color me crazy - but this family is completely nuts (and I hope I don't get banned for saying so)

Would love for LE to get a DNA test and check -- but cuz they are brother and sister, would a DNA result be accurate.

Also remember how many times Lee said they are SO close. Maybe a bit too close perhaps??? [/*]


I bet it was Cindy who named Caylee...just part of her clanishness....I'm not sure Lee is into women. some mother's don't know how nor want to let go.

Whenever i've heard of bro and si involvement it has usually been rqape and lots hostility involved.

i think Cindy just took her two fsavorite children's names and made a third ..afterall it was essentially her third as she was rasing her.

[nutterbutter]

Originally posted by Marianne



I bet it was Cindy who named Caylee...just part of her clanishness....I'm not sure Lee is into women. some mother's don't know how nor want to let go.

Whenever i've heard of bro and si involvement it has usually been rqape and lots hostility involved.

i think Cindy just took her two fsavorite children's names and made a third ..afterall it was essentially her third as she was rasing her. [/*]
New thread PLEASE follow new thread is open.


http://courttv-mb1.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=339318

[SoggyBayou]

Originally posted by luvinlife
I really don't know what this means but it doesn't sound good


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-090608,0,4836790.story [/*]

Good catch. Thanx.
LE went right to a specific area of the vehicle. Why not impound it?

[Marianne]

Originally posted by WinnieLeigh7
I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN CIRCLED REPEATEDLY...BUT I HAVE JUST A FEW SIMPLE 'DATE' QUESTIONS...

FIRST, WHY IS THIS FAMILY ALWAYS SPEAKING IN 'DAY' TERMS

SUCH AS MY DAUGHTER/GRANDDAUGHTER HAVE BEEN MISSING FOR 31 DAYS
VS. A MONTH OR OVER A MONTH AS 'NORMAL' PEOPLE WOULD DO

OR, THE PIZZA HAS BEEN IN THE CAR FOR 12 DAYS, IN THE HEAT...
VS. 2 WEEKS OR WHATEVER

MOST PEOPLE SPEAK IN 'GENERAL' TERMS YET THE ANTHONY ATTEMPT TO BE SPECIFIC WITH EXACT DAYS....


SO OKAY, LETS GO WITH THAT, WE HAVE A EX LE AND A NURSE, MAYBE IT'S THEIR 'CAREERS' THAT MAKE THEM SPECIFIC

31 DAYS BACK FROM THE TIME THE FIRST 911 CALL WAS MADE, WAS JUNE 14TH

12 DAYS BEFORE THE CAR WAS PICKED UP WAS JULY 3RD, WHICH WE KNOW THE CAR WAS AT AMSCOT FROM JUNE 27-30TH BEFORE THEY TOWED IT

JUNE 9TH WAS THE DATE THE ENTIRE FAMILY STATED ORIGINALLY THEY LAST SAW CAYLEE...I SO VERY MUCH FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THE ENTIRE FAMILY MISSED THIS DATE BTW

UNTIL CINDY WAS CONFRONTED ABOUT THE FATHER'S DAY VISIT, AND AS A 'SPECIFIC' DAY PERSON, SHOULD HAVE RECALLED SUCH A SIGNIFICANT DATE AS A HOLIDAY---FATHER'S DAY, CORRECT

AND JUST WHERE IS THE 12 DAYS COMING INTO PLAY, IS SHE SUGGESTING THAT WHOEVER PLACED THIS 'OTHER' DEAD BODY IN THE TRUNK CHOWED DOWN ON PIZZA AND PLACED IT IN THERE TOO...



---------------------------------------------------------------


ANOTHER POSSIBLE THEORY...

WHAT IF WHATEVER HAPPENED HAPPENED THAT WEEKEND AT THE HOUSE...

AND IT WASN'T 'FIGHTING' THAT THE NEIGHBORS HEARD, BUT JUST 'SCREAMING'...PANIC...

AND THEN THE PLAN STARTED

BY ALL THAT WAS THERE

AM I MAKING SENSE [/*]



I'm getting it.

[luvinlife]

NEW THREAD COME ON OVER



http://courttv-mb1.courttv.com/showthread.php?postid=12066203#post12066203

[Marianne]

Originally posted by purplepoints
Ok, for argument's sake, let's say that they all knew it was the 15th that they last saw her but decided to say it was the 9th. Why? What could be gained by adding that extra week on there. It only makes it look worse that Caylee was missing for 5 weeks. Anyone have any ideas on what saying it had been a while week longer could have gained them? [/*]

More decomposition?

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by Dragon



Most likely the wheel chocks he removed from the trunk of Casey's car when the gas cans were returned.

If they were trying to get evidence of Caylee in his car, they would impound the car, not just remove something from the trunk.

I have a feeling they're going to test the wheel chocks to see if they have any type of residue on them. [/*]


Did GA ever say that he actually took those out of Casey's trunk that we know of.

And why take them now in the middle of the night.
I can think of a couple of reasons, no web cam on right now, heard something on the bugs i assume are planted in the house.

but why such a secret for those wheel chocks.

[Marianne]

Originally posted by MamaMari


Theories are welcome here :) And thanks for clearing that up. I think we are all basically here for the same reason- we just want Caylee home and given the respectful burial she should have. [/*]

...and some of us want vengence....proof that will put the culprit behind bars. Justice for all......and liberty. Liberty for us good guys and justice for those who obscure the truth.

Caylee is already at rest...society is not..yet

[GrannyB]

Originally posted by luvinlife



I am still trying to give the benifit of doubt, I really can't figure them out yet.

I wonder what they would go looking for at this time of night and what made them get it today. [/*]


Especially from the wheel well. Maybe a neighbor saw something?

[Marianne]

Originally posted by IdolHands


Aww he's hooked himself a big fish. I imagine there's a lot of groud to cover. 31 days. He needs to know exactly what's coming in order to craft a defense. OR Marianne is right and it's all about the manly juices. [/*]


Now don't get me wrong I'm not implying anything sexual....just the enticement of the male ego to protect the damsel in distress and rescue her from the maddening crowd, make a huge name for himself and become rich and famous.....why the same pheremones from this icemaiden brought a true grit cowboy named Padilla all the way from the wild west congering pictures of shimmering red lacqured toenails for breakfast plus kisses and hugs and lots of photo shoots and a star in his heart as he becmes known as the great conquerer of evil.

As another true lover of women bites the dust.

[Marianne]

Originally posted by Shellberry

do you live in florida marianne?
to make your own chloroform-you only need 2 things, one of which most people already have on hand.

if you are a FL resident, you know fire ants and some other insects are a great pain.
chloroform is a way to kill them for sure in your yard.
I really wouldnt find it odd if they had some in their locked shed for the purpose of killing fire ants-especially with a child running around the yard.
have you ever gotten bit by a fire ant?
have you ever seen a child that has fire ant bites?

I live in Tennessee, originally from new york and I have been to Florida.

OK I can understand your point about George having chloroform...but did he? And why would Casey be looking it up?

And...what was George using it for when he could have saved it for fire ants and not waste it cleaning up some pizza and maggots which doesnt take much more than soap and water or not even...wipe 'em out with a rag ..spray some cleaning stuff on 'em or..anyway there are lots of biodegradable solutions for fireants and pizza.

It still points to a dead body. Maybe it was George Washington.





imo/jmo [/*]

[why-me]

Originally posted by luvinlife



Did GA ever say that he actually took those out of Casey's trunk that we know of.

And why take them now in the middle of the night.
I can think of a couple of reasons, no web cam on right now, heard something on the bugs i assume are planted in the house.

but why such a secret for those wheel chocks. [/*]

Could it be that something was found i.e. tire tracks on a search and they want to see if dirt matches? Just a thought

[Marianne]

Originally posted by Takotna



Chloroform wouldn't have occured to me in a million years had it not been reported. I have been around chloroform, albeit infrequently, but enough to know it's not far fetched to think someone might have some. I posted earlier I rented a house not too long ago and there were several containers of it in the shed.

I didn't say the car was cleaned well - only that chloroform is known as a cleaning agent. Its evaporative qualities would make it ideal under the circumstances.

I was trying to make sense of a weird chemical being in the trunk. It makes more sense to me that it was introduced into the trunk after it was picked up from the towyard - because flies flying out of a trunk full of chloroform makes no sense to me at all.:shrug:

I'm sure there are a myriad of other reasons chloroform could be in the trunk - this is merely the one I suggested.

:) AllMO [/*]


First of all I don't believe Cindy's statement about flies and maggots. I think it is completely made up. Does anyone have any proof otherwise?

[Marianne]

Originally posted by luvinlife



Could be someone else had a link that it could be used in making meth. Its in the links thread.

I am glad all is well with your family. [/*]

So one of Casey's boyfriends had chloroform? LE must be investigating this. QAnd Casey stole it and of course no one is going to report this to the police because they don't trouble for smoking the weed.

[Marianne]

Originally posted by luvinlife



I would like someone to ask the chem expert guy about this.

Tonight he explained on NG that chloroform is heavier than air, do you think it is possible for the insects to survive with the fresh air that came in the trunk, trunks are not air tight.

Also someone mentioned earlier tonight that we don't know what significant amount means exactly, could be a very small amount that isn't normally present, but not enough to kill insects after the time in the tow yard. Just random thoughts. I don't understand any of this. :confused: [/*]

I'm confused about the sequence here. Casey loaded dead Cayleeinto car and dumped her somewhere leaving stench of decomposition. Car ran out of gas. Gets towed. george picks it up and opens trunk and smells the smell...but does he see the maggotts and/or flies also? Then uses chloroform to clean up...leaving a hair and a stain and still the smell of decomposition

Is that it? Help!

[Marianne]

Originally posted by purplepoints


Wonder if they were doing "damage control" during her time off. [/*]

Cindy says she forgot dates due to time off.


What has that got to do with anything? You would still remember fsather's day and visiting a greatgrandparent in a nursing home...pretty hard to forget.

And I head they had a big fight that day...lot's of screaming the neighbors heard.

[Marianne]

Originally posted by Pruddennce


yes, the visit was verified by LE.

my personal opinion is she officially left the home the weekend before and it was a nasty scene.....then she came back and allowed Caylee to visit with her grandfather.....then she left again.

this entire story of 'just another day', her leaving for work on the 16th is bogus. IMO

so yes, I do have any opinion as to why they were working with those dates.....with all the lies, its hard to imagine what the heck was going on with the initial missing dates...

considering that Cindy A called Ryan P to check some inconsistencies with Casey and was advised yes, she lied about Sports Authority employment...and then she told Ryan she was a thief and liar and to stay away from her.

lots going on leading up to June 7 thru the 15th.

I think those initial dates hold significance for each of them

best regards,
Pru [/*]

I know it is hard to keep all this straight but George is the grandfather of Caylee and Caylee went to visit her great grandfather on Father's Day. Please tell me did the entire Anthony family go to visit or was it just Casey and Caylee? And Caylee was driving this same car? Which means then that it was not stolen...her parents let her have it. Paying for the gas of course....I presume.

Casey says something in the jail tapes to Lee about being sure she gets all her dates ...consistant in her statement at ll times. That just sounds like a lot to me.

[FrankieBones1]

Originally posted by luvinlife




that is absolutely awful they need to go away, they are awful people sorry to say. the parents of those kids should be ashamed

,moo [/*]
I just watched it now. It's so disturbing.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7372400&version=1&locale=EN-US

[FrankieBones1]

Originally posted by Marianne



First of all I don't believe Cindy's statement about flies and maggots. I think it is completely made up. Does anyone have any proof otherwise? [/*]Wouldn't chloroform keep flies out?

[ccat]

Who stays home with Casey? Is Cindy back at work? Is George back at work?

[Magnum357]

Originally posted by Marianne



First of all I don't believe Cindy's statement about flies and maggots. I think it is completely made up. Does anyone have any proof otherwise? [/*]

I have never believed it either. Even with the windows left down in my car, I can only remember having a fly or two.

Flies in the trunk? I'm not buying it.

[MoonFlwr]

Originally posted by FrankieBones1

I just watched it now. It's so disturbing.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7372400&version=1&locale=EN-US [/*]

Distasteful behaviour by the protestors!

[nutterbutter]

Originally posted by MoonFlwr


Distasteful behaviour by the protestors! [/*]
There is a morning thread started.