Thursday 9/4 EVENING thread

[True2Blues]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
DEVELOPING: Casey Anthony Could Leave Jail As Early As Tonight (red banner on home page of Local6)

http://www.local6.com/index.html [/*]

I'll bet the neighbors are tickled pink.

[Pooh]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
DEVELOPING: Casey Anthony Could Leave Jail As Early As Tonight (red banner on home page of Local6)

http://www.local6.com/index.html [/*]
Oh Good Lord! I need a drink.

[trich]

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Originally posted by Mandysmom
Dragon I just have to say this before I leave this thread for tonight.

When Tim Miller's daughter Laura went missing, he asked for help from LE and didn't get it. He tried to search himself and had no help from any organization.

LE refused to give him the location of the place where Heidi was found so that he could go search for Laura there. Everytime he tried to do something to find his child, he was met by a brick wall.

I imagine after a year and a half of my 16 year old daughter missing that I might have begun to drink to excess and lose my job, family, everything. That's what happened to Tim.

He didn't have any media coverage, the advantage of being on tv night and day, no internet sites set up to help organize and help find his child. I suppose that hope would become a very elusive thing for him.

I don't see how you can even dare to compare him to Cindy Anthony. While he was begging for help, and searching areas for his child, she has taken every single act of kindness and thrown it back into the faces of those who have helped out.

Tim didn't have the advantages in searching for his child that Cindy has had.

This just makes me sick, the continuing saga of people who are so into themselves that they think the world owes them to go out and find their missing grandchild.

People are volunteering even after being told not to by the Anthony family. Good God!

Tim Miller and Cindy Anthony are two very different creatures. One has tried to stonewall the investigation into her granddaughter's disappearance at every turn. The other was out trying to find their daughter and was met with a lack of caring by the LE.

This makes me so angry that you would even say anything like this. I had thought before that you were a thoughtful and insightful poster, but my mind has certainly done a complete 180 turn with this hatefullness towards a man who has done nothing but try to help people.

Most of those families he has helped are grateful, and many more would love to have his help. You should be ashamed.



:beer:

[kitty1182]

Originally posted by True2Blues


I'll bet the neighbors are tickled pink. [/*]

I wish I were a neighbor;)

[OneUp]

Originally posted by Serenity


Profit from a missing child to bail out the Mother who murdered the missing child. Televison appearance with videos and photos.
More videos and photos will be sold now for profit instead of later.
The family needs cash now for what is ahead.

It's not Tim profiting from a missing child at all- he has a non profit organization. [/*]Exactly what I was thinking Serenity. In light of Cindy's statements about "profiting" to Tim, the concept of her selling pictures and videos is, well frankly in character (maybe? Has this been confirmed or is it rumor?).
I don't believe I've ever seen any evidence that Time is living the high life for his efforts...he sure deserves better than the kick in the pants he got from Cindy.
I'm confused? appalled? afraid? when I hear of Casey being bonded out. I was amazed that no one ended up hurt the last time she was out, I think it will be far worse this time. All the new evidence being leaked will just inflame the vigilante types. Casey has a right to be bonded, but her lawyer and family are beyond insane to do it! If they care one bit for her safety I'd think they would realize she is far safer in jail. It's not right for people to act as some have towards the Anthony's, but thats not going to stop anyone from doing even worse. I really fear for the safety of the innocent people in this. On the other hand Casey...pffftt.!!! She will meet up with her maker sooner or later, makes no difference to me as long as she is kept from harming others in the meantime.

I don't see what her family thinks will be accomplished positively by bonding her out, even if they do 100% believe she is innocent.
Honestly, I agree with the poster who said Cindy misses the crowds and the reporters, especially after I saw her come out the other night LOOKING for people outside to chat with.

I'll be expecting the powder keg that got started last Friday to be primed and go off full blast anytime. If they plan to use a "safehouse" good luck in hiding her! She is likely the most recognized person in Orlando right now.
All JMO.

[jammies]

Originally posted by True2Blues


I'll bet the neighbors are tickled pink. [/*]



They are very lucky that none of US are their neighbors! (well.....MOST of us)

[trich]

Originally posted by Pooh

Oh Good Lord! I need a drink. [/*]



ME TOO!

[kitty1182]

Originally posted by Pooh

Oh Good Lord! I need a drink. [/*]

I need to go to Florida.

[baywench]

Originally posted by True2Blues



It baffles me that Casey was allowed to spend the entire day at Baez's office. There should be someone there to make sure that all of the time Casey spends there, is spent working on the case. If Baez works on anything else, she should have to go home.

She should also dress like she's going to consult an attorney and not like she's going to a picnic. [/*]

Does Baez have to account to anyone for what exactly was being accomplished on the daily play dates with Casey? Is he part of a firm? Anyone know? I want an itemized bill and there better not being any brownie eating. If she doesn't tell him anything what in the world is she doing? Never mind....I don't think I want to go there afterall. jmo

[frances1]

There are laws about profiting from crimes committed.

[day2day]

Originally posted by True2Blues


I'll bet the neighbors are tickled pink. [/*]

Oh i pity them...i really do....:(

[forensicnut]

Originally posted by desmom


Leonard Padilla is a bounty hunter. His nephew is the bail bondsman. The nephew purchased a bond from a company in TX for Casey's bail. The bonding company in TX revoked the bond. jmo [/*]

Once again, I stand corrected.

The point I was trying to make is why I think the attorney's feel that CA's rights were violated. I don't personally think they were, I was just putting in my two-cents.

Question: The bond was revoked citing "safety concerns." If infact someone were to hurt Casey and she ended up dead, wouldn't the bonding company be released from the liability, or would they lose $500,000?:shrug:

[kitty1182]

I gotta get off here till NG is over..This is making me sick..BBL!! :seeya:

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by kitty1182


If my grandchild was dead, I would want to know and give her a funeral....I would rather know than not know the truth!! [/*]

I believe that George and Cindy already know that Caylee isn't coming home.

[FrankieBones1]

Originally posted by house
I can't imagine that tensions won't be worse in that house now that George and Cindy have gotten their own attorney in this situation. [/*]I just thought of something. If Cindy was to lock Casey out of the house, where would Casey go?

[Pooh]

I am absolutely speechless to learn that even AFTER the knowledge of the chloroform found in the car, that some IDIOT posted her bail. What is WRONG with people?? This woman is a threat to the community. imo I think the judge should step in and rescind the bond, period. Why is it that the perps seem to have more rights than the victim? Unreal.

[AustinsMama]

Hello Everyone- I have been lurking on these boards for over a month following everyone's posts. I'd like to thank all of you for keeping a lot of us "lurkers" up to date every minute. I was not going to register to post - HOWEVER- after finding out that Casey is going to be bonded out AGAIN is just so sickening to me! I had to register and share my feelings. Based on all the evidence- HOW COULD ANYONE BOND HER OUT? This is such a joke- LE needs to slap her with murder charges - she does not deserve to taste freedom...yes I understand innocent until proven guilty but all the FACTS point to her being GUILTY. The child was in her care when all this happened- this is so unfair. This case has affected my life- I've never been drawn to a case until now. Justice needs to be served and sooner rather than later. I understand LE is building their case but HELLO signs of human decomp and now CHLOROFORM???? Someone of legal expertise please tell me WHY- WHY is she not charged with murder yet? I'm really sad and depressed- no words can express my disappointment. I live in Southern California and am seriously thinking of flying out there to protest. I guess I have to put IMO before I get slammed by anyone. I am really really UPSET. =(

[kordesperfecta]

Attorney Nejame is exactly the lawyer you would want if you were in really big trouble. George and Cindy must be very worried.

[day2day]

Originally posted by TREE TREE

=============================
EXACTLY day2day.....
Give them enough rope.........

No matter what happens or what they do it just seems the noose get wider and wider............

Be prepared for another PEOPLE type article/interview/video............

I think we might see even more talk on the pool......ladder......gate......
If there is going to be an accidental death defense down the road.......I guess that's about the best they can do.......Too bad the Chloroform puts a big question mark on that....... [/*]

I pray the house is bugged. The phone. I have to believe the LE is working hard in preparing additional charges to keep her behind bars. LE has fought hard for Caylee...I have to believe LE will make the next move. And it will be a good one!

jmo

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by Rileyj26


Are you kidding me?? [/*]


No, I am glad that finally someone is talking for the Anthony's in a clear way. His stmt was clear and done without hate and anger. I want to hear that over denial. Cindy for sure is going to be (or going through) a mental breakdown. I for one have wanted someone to speak for them. The Anthony's say nothing that makes sense to the rest of us, maybe he can stop the confusion and stop the hate for this family.

Cindy makes me mad, I think she needs medical attention and she needs to stop talking. If this guy can make that happen, good.JMHO

[barskin&co.]

I swear, every time I come home from the gym, I find out something wacky happened. So the princess is getting out again.
Time to charge her with murder, already.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by martha
I just can not believe anyone would post casey bond. why do they want her out of jail. someone may hurt her. something could happen to the whole family she needs to stay in jail so everyone would be safe. I just don;t understand what these people or thinking. jmho :rose: [/*]

Martha I'm not so sure that anyone "wants" her out of jail, or I wouldn't put it that way at least. But it is her constitutional right, and that is those bondsmen's job. Much as some people might hate it. (And I don't think "complaining" to them will do any good.)

[desmom]

Originally posted by luvinlife




I just have to say I do know that media will pay for pictures and some will pay for interviews, but i thought that buying pictures was only to the photogs for famous people not everyday people. Can someone tell me if thats true???TIA [/*]

There was another case when the 20/20 paid for interviews/pic debate came up. Someone contacted them or found something on their website. At that time, 20/20 did not pay for interviews, videos or photos.

I am sorry. I suffer from CRS and can't find a link, so this is jmo.

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
DEVELOPING: Casey Anthony Could Leave Jail As Early As Tonight (red banner on home page of Local6)

http://www.local6.com/index.html [/*]

Tonight?? Oh boy, nothing like keeping the public informed of the particulars so the psychopath has to walk thru a bunch of angry protesters.

[Ms. Monk]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


Dragon, you've far outdone yourself with this one.

I pray to God that your gracious sense of compassion & understanding comes back to you tenfold in your personal life. :rose: [/*]

barf

[day2day]

Originally posted by AustinsMama
Hello Everyone- I have been lurking on these boards for over a month following everyone's posts. I'd like to thank all of you for keeping a lot of us "lurkers" up to date every minute. I was not going to register to post - HOWEVER- after finding out that Casey is going to be bonded out AGAIN is just so sickening to me! I had to register and share my feelings. Based on all the evidence- HOW COULD ANYONE BOND HER OUT? This is such a joke- LE needs to slap her with murder charges - she does not deserve to taste freedom...yes I understand innocent until proven guilty but all the FACTS point to her being GUILTY. The child was in her care when all this happened- this is so unfair. This case has affected my life- I've never been drawn to a case until now. Justice needs to be served and sooner rather than later. I understand LE is building their case but HELLO signs of human decomp and now CHLOROFORM???? Someone of legal expertise please tell me WHY- WHY is she not charged with murder yet? I'm really sad and depressed- no words can express my disappointment. I live in Southern California and am seriously thinking of flying out there to protest. I guess I have to put IMO before I get slammed by anyone. I am really really UPSET. =( [/*]


Welcome to the board...Many of us here feel the VERY same way you do....:seeya:

[Pooh]

Originally posted by AustinsMama
Hello Everyone- I have been lurking on these boards for over a month following everyone's posts. I'd like to thank all of you for keeping a lot of us "lurkers" up to date every minute. I was not going to register to post - HOWEVER- after finding out that Casey is going to be bonded out AGAIN is just so sickening to me! I had to register and share my feelings. Based on all the evidence- HOW COULD ANYONE BOND HER OUT? This is such a joke- LE needs to slap her with murder charges - she does not deserve to taste freedom...yes I understand innocent until proven guilty but all the FACTS point to her being GUILTY. The child was in her care when all this happened- this is so unfair. This case has affected my life- I've never been drawn to a case until now. Justice needs to be served and sooner rather than later. I understand LE is building their case but HELLO signs of human decomp and now CHLOROFORM???? Someone of legal expertise please tell me WHY- WHY is she not charged with murder yet? I'm really sad and depressed- no words can express my disappointment. I live in Southern California and am seriously thinking of flying out there to protest. I guess I have to put IMO before I get slammed by anyone. I am really really UPSET. =( [/*]
Welcome!! We all hear ya. It boggles the mind.

[FrankieBones1]

Originally posted by jennyanydots
I've checked in today to read; and hope for one thing; that Caylee is found. ((snipped)) [/*]I can understand your part about GA. It is so eerily familiar to another case in which a father said, "No body, no case".

[jammies]

Originally posted by AustinsMama
Hello Everyone- I have been lurking on these boards for over a month following everyone's posts. I'd like to thank all of you for keeping a lot of us "lurkers" up to date every minute. I was not going to register to post - HOWEVER- after finding out that Casey is going to be bonded out AGAIN is just so sickening to me! I had to register and share my feelings. Based on all the evidence- HOW COULD ANYONE BOND HER OUT? This is such a joke- LE needs to slap her with murder charges - she does not deserve to taste freedom...yes I understand innocent until proven guilty but all the FACTS point to her being GUILTY. The child was in her care when all this happened- this is so unfair. This case has affected my life- I've never been drawn to a case until now. Justice needs to be served and sooner rather than later. I understand LE is building their case but HELLO signs of human decomp and now CHLOROFORM???? Someone of legal expertise please tell me WHY- WHY is she not charged with murder yet? I'm really sad and depressed- no words can express my disappointment. I live in Southern California and am seriously thinking of flying out there to protest. I guess I have to put IMO before I get slammed by anyone. I am really really UPSET. =( [/*]


Hi and welcome Mama. We hear ya! Hang in here with us. We are all sick at heart about this whole circus.

[frances1]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Martha I'm not so sure that anyone "wants" her out of jail, or I wouldn't put it that way at least. But it is her constitutional right, and that is those bondsmen's job. Much as some people might hate it. (And I don't think "complaining" to them will do any good.) [/*]


It can't hurt. A boycott of their bond business in the local area would also not hurt.

[steffaroob4]

Originally posted by Pooh
I am absolutely speechless to learn that even AFTER the knowledge of the chloroform found in the car, that some IDIOT posted her bail. What is WRONG with people?? This woman is a threat to the community. imo I think the judge should step in and rescind the bond, period. Why is it that victims seem to have more rights than the perps? Unreal. [/*]

It has to be the parents, I see no other person that would do it after the chloroform leak. I am afraid to think that a show I watch would stoop to buy exclusive pictures for a shot at an interview, but I think it may however be the case.

What is wrong with this world...

[barskin&co.]

Originally posted by AustinsMama
Hello Everyone- I have been lurking on these boards for over a month following everyone's posts. I'd like to thank all of you for keeping a lot of us "lurkers" up to date every minute. I was not going to register to post - HOWEVER- after finding out that Casey is going to be bonded out AGAIN is just so sickening to me! I had to register and share my feelings. Based on all the evidence- HOW COULD ANYONE BOND HER OUT? This is such a joke- LE needs to slap her with murder charges - she does not deserve to taste freedom...yes I understand innocent until proven guilty but all the FACTS point to her being GUILTY. The child was in her care when all this happened- this is so unfair. This case has affected my life- I've never been drawn to a case until now. Justice needs to be served and sooner rather than later. I understand LE is building their case but HELLO signs of human decomp and now CHLOROFORM???? Someone of legal expertise please tell me WHY- WHY is she not charged with murder yet? I'm really sad and depressed- no words can express my disappointment. I live in Southern California and am seriously thinking of flying out there to protest. I guess I have to put IMO before I get slammed by anyone. I am really really UPSET. =( [/*]

Hi, AustinsMama! This is just the sort of thing to "unlurk" a person, isn't it? Welcome.

[True2Blues]

Originally posted by forensicnut


Yes, it was the bond company....my error.

But, his threats to pull the bond, his see-sawing with pulling it, not pulling it, reinstating it, etc. have by his own flip-flopping, implied that his decision was based on her guilt or innocence.

Oh, and I highly doubt the the government sees Casey as Innocent, LOL. [/*]


I stated that badly. The Court sees Casey as Innocent until proven Guilty.

As far as Padilla see sawing, he wants publicity, he's never made a secret of that as far as I know. The Anthony's know how that works, they can't stay away from cameras.

He bailed Casey out because he believed she would tell him who had the child so he could be the one to recover Caylee and get the glory.

She broke that deal day one, when she refused to do as she had agreed, so as far as I'm concerned, he would have had every right to pull the bond.

[jammies]

Originally posted by kordesperfecta
Attorney Nejame is exactly the lawyer you would want if you were in really big trouble. George and Cindy must be very worried. [/*]


Yep. I highly doubt they paid a high profile attorney to talk about "how to handle the media"!! I hope they ARE worried.

[bcrmom]

Originally posted by kitty1182


I wish I were a neighbor;) [/*]

Is the webcam back home yet? Last time I looked, it was in a boutique.:rolleyes:

Maybe this time they'll put a dummycam in the trees for Cindy to beat up?

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by baywench


Do you remember the whole Rita Cosby and Anna Nicole Smith fiasco. I think these shows can get around paying guests in so many ways. I will not support this shows because I know this goes on. jmo [/*]


Yes I know but ANS was famous, Caylee and the Anthony's are not. Most of the photos of Anna were taken by professional photographers that had to be paid for the use of her pics.

[dmh]

On casey's way out of jail..do you think LE will give her a computer to take with her home?:biggrin:

[frances1]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


If you're going to state it, state ALL of it, in truth instead of your own desire to paint Cindy's statements as "juicy gossip" that "she doesn't care at all about finding Caylee", and "would rather a dead Caylee just not be found due to her protection of Casey".

Those are horridly wicked statements being made on this board, and as Coldwater so eloquently stated, "not how I was raised at all".

Why not state instead, as Cindy has, that she WANTS HER GRANDDAUGHTER FOUND ALIVE, because that, is what she truly believes to be true. [/*]


DG, if she is NOT alive, she can't be FOUND alive. None of the searchers are God.

[martha]

Originally posted by AustinsMama
Hello Everyone- I have been lurking on these boards for over a month following everyone's posts. I'd like to thank all of you for keeping a lot of us "lurkers" up to date every minute. I was not going to register to post - HOWEVER- after finding out that Casey is going to be bonded out AGAIN is just so sickening to me! I had to register and share my feelings. Based on all the evidence- HOW COULD ANYONE BOND HER OUT? This is such a joke- LE needs to slap her with murder charges - she does not deserve to taste freedom...yes I understand innocent until proven guilty but all the FACTS point to her being GUILTY. The child was in her care when all this happened- this is so unfair. This case has affected my life- I've never been drawn to a case until now. Justice needs to be served and sooner rather than later. I understand LE is building their case but HELLO signs of human decomp and now CHLOROFORM???? Someone of legal expertise please tell me WHY- WHY is she not charged with murder yet? I'm really sad and depressed- no words can express my disappointment. I live in Southern California and am seriously thinking of flying out there to protest. I guess I have to put IMO before I get slammed by anyone. I am really really UPSET. =( [/*]ITA no way can i understand this. I just can not believe it.jmho:rose:

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert


Tonight?? Oh boy, nothing like keeping the public informed of the particulars so the psychopath has to walk thru a bunch of angry protesters. [/*]

wftv.com is reporting by 10:00 a.m. tomorrow:

VIDEO: Person Posting Cash Bail To Get Casey Out Of Jail Remaining Anonymous

http://www.wftv.com/video/17394394/index.html

[Albini]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


lol, good luck with that.

You have to remember who fulfills their business, and that would be Criminals.

Criminals in fact, are going to FLOCK to these 2 companies, because posting Bond is what they're all about. [/*]

I think you are correct. This isnt going to hurt thier business. Infact I can see desperate people/family thinking "Well, they bailed out Casey, maybe they can bail out Jane Doe for us.""

[True2Blues]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


If you're going to state it, state ALL of it, in truth instead of your own desire to paint Cindy's statements as "juicy gossip" that "she doesn't care at all about finding Caylee", and "would rather a dead Caylee just not be found due to her protection of Casey".

Those are horridly wicked statements being made on this board, and as Coldwater so eloquently stated, "not how I was raised at all".

Why not state instead, as Cindy has, that she WANTS HER GRANDDAUGHTER FOUND ALIVE, because that, is what she truly believes to be true. [/*]

Cindy Anthony said that she did not want people volunteering to help Tim. That IS a true statement. Not Gossip, not lie.

There is nothing wicked about stating a fact. We are not required to state Cindy Anthony's every word.

[snowflakes]

Originally posted by Aame


or missing, but then nobody would have to know about it for at least a month. hammer [/*]

I think the whole family should be placed in a safe house.
With audio and an indoor webcam.;)

[day2day]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


If you're going to state it, state ALL of it, in truth instead of your own desire to paint Cindy's statements as "juicy gossip" that "she doesn't care at all about finding Caylee", and "would rather a dead Caylee just not be found due to her protection of Casey".

Those are horridly wicked statements being made on this board, and as Coldwater so eloquently stated, "not how I was raised at all".

Why not state instead, as Cindy has, that she WANTS HER GRANDDAUGHTER FOUND ALIVE, because that, is what she truly believes to be true. [/*]


GRACE: Miss Anthony, I know that you want more volunteers to show up to search. Is that correct?

C. ANTHONY: No. Actually, I don`t. I think it`s a waste of time searching in the woods behind, you know -- back by the airport and all that because, you know, I know Caylee is alive.

I`ve gotten many people calling in and saying that they`ve seen Caylee. What I would like people to do is continue to get the word out and continue to look for her. And we`ve got -- I`ve gotten probably over 100 phone calls today from people that are supporting us and that are continuing in that -- those efforts just today alone.

So, you know, I`m not surprised that a lot of people aren`t showing up to search the woods, because a lot of people don`t believe that she`s out in the woods, that she`s buried. They believe that she`s alive and breathing. And that`s what we need to do is look for a little girl that`s out there, you know, maybe at a restaurant or a store or a park or whatever.

And if we continue to, you know, look at evidence that hasn`t been verified like your forensics specialist said, none of this has been verified. You guys are going to put the coffin -- Caylee in a coffin because eventually something is going to happen to her if we don`t find her.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/02/ng.01.html

Just one question DG...WHY isn't CINDY LOOKING FOR A LIVE CAYLEE?! Instead she is spending HER time hiring a defense attorney and planning interviews.

[jammies]

Originally posted by bcrmom


Is the webcam back home yet? Last time I looked, it was in a boutique.:rolleyes:

Maybe this time they'll put a dummycam in the trees for Cindy to beat up? [/*]


http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

[missy1974]

Originally posted by bcrmom


Is the webcam back home yet? Last time I looked, it was in a boutique.:rolleyes:

Maybe this time they'll put a dummycam in the trees for Cindy to beat up? [/*]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

try this one :)

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Albini


I think you are correct. This isnt going to hurt thier business. Infact I can see desperate people/family thinking "Well, they bailed out Casey, maybe they can bail out Jane Doe for us."" [/*]

Good point! :D

[frances1]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


lol, good luck with that.

You have to remember who fulfills their business, and that would be Criminals.

Criminals in fact, are going to FLOCK to these 2 companies, because posting Bond is what they're all about. [/*]

Lol to you, too. It is not always the criminal who pays the bond. Picket signs wouldn't hurt, either.

[Joan Weiss]

Originally posted by Albini
Okay, so reading Mr Padillas quote to the media


“Would the DNA from a child resulting from a union from Lee and Casey have basically the same characteristics? Making the preliminary DNA check not definitive as to who the hair samples are from,” he said.

Is he even remotely suggesting that Caylees was Lee's? What a completely reckless thing to say to the media. One its completely wrong scientifically, and two....he is trying to DEFEND this family....not run them into the freak show by suggesting incenst.

This man needs to stay FARRRRR away from the camera lens. [/*]That is outrageous and slanderous. There is no call for that kind of remark. I think Lenny needs to go home and tend to his own business. imo

[desmom]

Originally posted by forensicnut


Once again, I stand corrected.

The point I was trying to make is why I think the attorney's feel that CA's rights were violated. I don't personally think they were, I was just putting in my two-cents.

Question: The bond was revoked citing "safety concerns." If infact someone were to hurt Casey and she ended up dead, wouldn't the bonding company be released from the liability, or would they lose $500,000?:shrug: [/*]

I am not real familiar with the bail bonds.

IMO, the bonding company saw the protesters at the Anthony home on the central FL news and decided she would be safer in jail.

There was also a clause in the bond agreement if she was arrested and incarcerated for anything other than a minor traffic violation, she would be in violation of the bond agreement. 2(d) http://www.fcsurety.com/content/forms/apps/105-109-App-FCS-NEW(fcs).pdf

jmo

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by FrankieBones1
I just thought of something. If Cindy was to lock Casey out of the house, where would Casey go? [/*]

I was just wondering what would happen if George and Cindy were arrested upon Casey's release. Would Casey have the house to herself?

[bcrmom]

Originally posted by jammies



http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html [/*]

TY.

I'm working and have too many windows open already. I'm afraid to open the webcam cuz it'll crash my system.

I'll check later.

[Albini]

Originally posted by ?WudScoobyDo


Neither are you, and you have nothing more than a belief that Caylee is deceased.
imo [/*]

None of us have anything more then our own beliefs. Including you. You know no more then the rest of us, so therefore you only have your beliefs also. Please dont forget that.

[luvinlife]

I hope everyone that was

:confused: :shrug: and are you Cindy with my

finally thank god comment saw that I was commenting on the new lawyer for GA and CA and his comments. Not Casey getting out of jail.

My answer is on the previous page.:)

[martha]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Martha I'm not so sure that anyone "wants" her out of jail, or I wouldn't put it that way at least. But it is her constitutional right, and that is those bondsmen's job. Much as some people might hate it. (And I don't think "complaining" to them will do any good.) [/*] I understand what you or saying. I just want caylee to be found. I am not worried about casey. Caylee is the one I am praying for. jmho:rose:

[ruth66]

Originally posted by baywench


Does Baez have to account to anyone for what exactly was being accomplished on the daily play dates with Casey? Is he part of a firm? Anyone know? I want an itemized bill and there better not being any brownie eating. If she doesn't tell him anything what in the world is she doing? Never mind....I don't think I want to go there afterall. jmo [/*]

my question is, under the ankle bracelet, I understood that she had limited time on her outings.. she was at his office almost daily for extended periods of time, isn't that in violation of her bail or restrictions? How much can they be going over for neglect charges? Has she found the child? NO Sounds like child neglect to me....should she be able to be preparing for a possible murder charge? I would think that would be "jumping the gun" so to speak....since the Anthony family continues to remind anyone who will listen, she isn't charged with murder.

Bare minimum, she is certainly taking advantage of the system.

JMO

[bluwaters]

Originally posted by Dragon


So let me get this straight. Tim's daughter is murdered and because Cindy talks bad about him, that's bad?

Cindy's granddaughter has most likely been murdered by her daughter, probably on the verge of a mental breakdown (if not already in one with her delusions), people talk bad about her and it's good?

Not quite sure of the logic behind all of that, but it doesn't sound quite right to me.

(And yes, I'm prepared for the flames I'm going to receive about how Tim is doing good things, etc. I commend him. But what was he doing while his daughter was missing? He was having a nervous breakdown, drinking himself into a stupor and finally hospitalized. So, he wasn't exactly the most put-together person either when he was in the midst of the crisis. Maybe it will take 16 years for Cindy to arrive to a point of being able to handle reality and work towards helping others?)

Hello Dragon!
I have tremendous respect for you and look forward to your posts.
I am not even going to flame you for this post because I truly believe that Tim Miller is so humble that he would be the first to agree with you.
Have you seen his PC this afternoon?
To paraphrase Tim, he said that he let his emotions get to him and was angry and about to pull out.
The call from Sheriff Beary and offer of support changed his mind.
He does not want to speak about the family but he did have this to say:
He is here for Caylee.
He understands their position.
He knows what they are going through.
He understands their need to keep hope alive.
He did not have LE's support when his daughter Laura disappeared.
He knows what it is like when no one respects your position.
He believes that Caylee is dead; the Anthony's believe that she is alive.
He hopes that he is wrong and that Cindy is right, and that Caylee will come home alive.
He does not consider himself an expert. If he were, then Equusearch would have a 100% success rate and everyone that they search for would be found.
Equusearch has about a 9% success rate, but 9% is better than 0%. 0% is what you get when you don't search.
He hopes that with the support from LE and the community that there will be 1000 searchers on Saturday and they will be able to cover the areas very thoroughly.
If they don't find Caylee, they at least will know where she is not.
The family has nothing to do with his work now.
His focus is Caylee and Caylee alone.

I really try hard to keep my opinions about the Anthony's under control.
Cindy has an unfortunate personality and has put herself in front of every camera - in her search for Caylee.
She has put herself in the spotlight and that always brings some amount of criticism.
Cindy stated early on that she did not care what anyone thought about her, as long as they were looking for Caylee.
Cindy was extremely successful in bringing national attention to this case, perhaps more successful than she imagined.
Having turned the mega watt media machine on, it has come as a shock that there is no "off" switch.
The media won't go until another big story takes them away.
The circumstances of this case, with Casey being the main suspect, naturally brings lots of negative attention to the family.
I fully understand why posters express outrage and anger at the Anthony's and it has to do with the special circumstances of the case, the lies that have been told, and the inability of Cindy to refrain from insulting those who are trying to help.
Personally, I feel very badly for the Anthony's. It is true that none of us know how we would react in such a horrendous situation. However, our basic personality traits don't usually turn someone into an entirely different person. Cindy has shown the world a very unpleasant persona and it is hard for many to give her a pass. Cindy's behavior has generated this negative reaction. I doubt that a slick, new criminal attorney will be able to rehabilitate her image.
For me, I hope that Caylee is found and that justice is served to the perpetrator(s).

*speech over*
*takes a bow*
*understands why posters are so upset*
* is glad that we have our Constitutional rights and would not give them up in order to prosecute one perp, to the detriment of the many falsely accused*
*dodges rotten fruit and veggies*

:chicken:

ETA: I really do wish that the court would appoint a Guadian ad Litem for Caylee. She needs an attorney too.

[forensicnut]

Originally posted by desmom


I am not real familiar with the bail bonds.

IMO, the bonding company saw the protesters at the Anthony home on the central FL news and decided she would be safer in jail.

There was also a clause in the bond agreement if she was arrested and incarcerated for anything other than a minor traffic violation, she would be in violation of the bond agreement. 2(d) http://www.fcsurety.com/content/forms/apps/105-109-App-FCS-NEW(fcs).pdf

jmo [/*] Ah....but, they could have kept the bond active if they wanted too. Oh well, Padilla's out and I'll guess we'll meet the new guy on Nancy Grace tonight. Or at least someone from the bonding company.

[OneUp]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


I think you totally missed the point of Dragon's post, which BTW, was very eloquently stated with factual comparisons to Tim and Cindy's situations.

Tim went through his very own hell.

So, now, is Cindy.

The point to Dragon's post is that you're attempting to compare Tim's composure NOW , and expect that same composure from Cindy - both having lost children/grandchildren.

It isn't at all a fair comparison unless you go back in Tim's life (as Dragon did), to the days when Tim drank himself into oblivion, lost his marriage, etc., lost his former life, for that matter, over the loss of his daughter.

Tim has made this NO SECRET in his life, and maybe he exposes it for the offering of lessons learned - of course only for those willing to learn the lesson and NOT JUDGE a family who has just freshly lost their child. [/*]IMO, it is inequatable to compare Cindy's explosion of contempt and rage on anyone handy and anyone who tries to help, with Tims Implosion of self destruction in the depths of sorrow. He hurt only himself and his wife with his actions. Cindy lashes out to hurt every who dares do anything outside her chosen reality. She is Giving Hell and he was wasting away in it.
I don't think anyone here has a problem with "lack of composure", most of us "get" hurting and have had hurt ourselves. What I have found so hard to swallow is her self righteous ways of attacking others and rejecting any help offered that is not on her terms. Denial I understand, but attacking people is unacceptable in my book.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you and then complain when you starve.
Grief is no excuse to wreck havoc on everyone you come into contact with! For Petes sake! If she were to gun down a witness in her "grief" would that be understandable too? Should all actions committed in grief be excused? There is a line somewhere, I'm not sure I would be the best judge of where. Someone has to draw one though, Cindy is just running amok and making a mockery of the entire investigation. If she cannot control herself, then she needs the love of someone to step in and help her control this. I really believe she is a danger to herself, and her bizaar and crass behavior is liable to put her in danger from others as unbalanced as she. People are just not allowed to behave any way they like out of grief no matter the effect on others.
I feel the same regarding the pizza deliveries and the protesting. Some things may be legal, but they sure aren't decent! I WISH I could MAKE the "pranksters" and Cindy behave in a way I find decent, but I can't. I do however reserve the right to have and express my distaste for their behavior.
Always, JMO.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Albini


None of us have anything more then our own beliefs. Including you. You know no more then the rest of us, so therefore you only have your beliefs also. Please dont forget that. [/*]

That poster never does forget that. Maybe you didn't notice. :)

[impartial]

Originally posted by desmom


I am not real familiar with the bail bonds.

IMO, the bonding company saw the protesters at the Anthony home on the central FL news and decided she would be safer in jail.

There was also a clause in the bond agreement if she was arrested and incarcerated for anything other than a minor traffic violation, she would be in violation of the bond agreement. 2(d) http://www.fcsurety.com/content/forms/apps/105-109-App-FCS-NEW(fcs).pdf

jmo [/*]


The link doesn't work ... normally, that would refer to acts performed while she was out on bond ... not for an act that occurred prior to the bond.

IMO

[jammies]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I was just wondering what would happen if George and Cindy were arrested upon Casey's release. Would Casey have the house to herself? [/*]



lol! Her dream come true and she wouldn't even have to utilize the chloroform!

[frances1]

Originally posted by ?WudScoobyDo


If I'm sitting in jail, I'm not going to boycott anyone who is helping to get me out. How silly to think anyone would do that.

imo [/*]


So what you're saying is that ALL families of those needing bail have no ethics and no opinions?

[ellegna]

Originally posted by FrankieBones1
I just thought of something. If Cindy was to lock Casey out of the house, where would Casey go? [/*]

Maybe that generous anonymous person who put up her bail will take her in?

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by irishbosoxfa
These are the bail companies letting this thing out

http://www.injail.com/index.html
http://www.macdonaldbailbondsinc.com/


Let them know exactly what you think of this! [/*]

Why blame the bond companies? They exist to provide people a means to exercise their Constitutional right to bond. Do you think a bond company should decide guilt or innocence?

I blame LE. If they have all the evidence they have leaked to the media, there is no excuse for not charging her under the homicide statute.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by trich
I am sure Baez will see that she gets out of the house every day to come visit his office.
He needs to take her to the search and tell her to tramp around the woods and look for her daughter.
That just sickens me.....talk about playing with the justice system.
He should go to her house if he needs to discuss the case.... [/*]

Would "tramp around the woods" be a noun or a verb?

[Rebel Rouzer]

Ok I'm done talking about Cindy. The truth is. none of us know what she is experiencing and going through. The fact of the matter is because of her actions and behavior. She has alienated everyone who was/is willing to help her find the truth and find Caylee. dead or alive. passing judgement on eachother for our personal opinions is not going to change anything.
Let's focus on Caylee and where she may be and getting her found.

I will return shortly to post on his thread and the one concerning those wanting to go to florida and help in the search. I hope that emotions and extreme hateful posts have subsided by that time.

:chicken:

[day2day]

Originally posted by bluwaters
Originally posted by Dragon


Hello Dragon!
I have tremendous respect for you and look forward to your posts.
I am not even going to flame you for this post because I truly believe that Tim Miller is so humble that he would be the first to agree with you.
Have you seen his PC this afternoon?
To paraphrase Tim, he said that he let his emotions get to him and was angry and about to pull out.
The call from Sheriff Beary and offer of support changed his mind.
He does not want to speak about the family but he did have this to say:
He is here for Caylee.
He understands their position.
He knows what they are going through.
He understands their need to keep hope alive.
He did not have LE's support when his daughter Laura disappeared.
He knows what it is like when no one respects your position.
He believes that Caylee is dead; the Anthony's believe that she is alive.
He hopes that he is wrong and that Cindy is right, and that Caylee will come home alive.
He does not consider himself an expert. If he were, then Equusearch would have a 100% success rate and everyone that they search for would be found.
Equusearch has about a 9% success rate, but 9% is better than 0%. 0% is what you get when you don't search.
He hopes that with the support from LE and the community that there will be 1000 searchers on Saturday and they will be able to cover the areas very thoroughly.
If they don't find Caylee, they at least will know where she is not.
The family has nothing to do with his work now.
His focus is Caylee and Caylee alone.

I really try hard to keep my opinions about the Anthony's under control.
Cindy has an unfortunate personality and has put herself in front of every camera - in her search for Caylee.
She has put herself in the spotlight and that always brings some amount of criticism.
Cindy stated early on that she did not care what anyone thought about her, as long as they were looking for Caylee.
Cindy was extremely successful in bringing national attention to this case, perhaps more successful than she imagined.
Having turned the mega watt media machine on, it has come as a shock that there is no "off" switch.
The media won't go until another big story takes them away.
The circumstances of this case, with Casey being the main suspect, naturally brings lots of negative attention to the family.
I fully understand why posters express outrage and anger at the Anthony's and it has to do with the special circumstances of the case, the lies that have been told, and the inability of Cindy to refrain from insulting those who are trying to help.
Personally, I feel very badly for the Anthony's. It is true that none of us know how we would react in such a horrendous situation. However, our basic personality traits don't usually turn someone into an entirely different person. Cindy has shown the world a very unpleasant persona and it is hard for many to give her a pass. Cindy's behavior has generated this negative reaction. I doubt that a slick, new criminal attorney will be able to rehabilitate her image.
For me, I hope that Caylee is found and that justice is served to the perpetrator(s).

*speech over*
*takes a bow*
*understands why posters are so upset*
* is glad that we have our Constitutional rights and would not give them up in order to prosecute one perp, to the detriment of the many falsely accused*
*dodges rotten fruit and veggies*

:chicken: [/*]

Blu..
Thank you for all you do here. I think this is one of the best posts I have ever read here....

No rotten fruits and veggies from me...
just a :rose: and I do believe that Tim will bring Caylee home.

jmo

[Velouria]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


Why not state instead, as Cindy has, that she WANTS HER GRANDDAUGHTER FOUND ALIVE, because that, is what she truly believes to be true. [/*]

You do NOT know for a fact that is what she TRULY BELIEVES to be true.

[Ckrdpast]

Originally posted by bluwaters
Originally posted by Dragon


Hello Dragon!
I have tremendous respect for you and look forward to your posts.
I am not even going to flame you for this post because I truly believe that Tim Miller is so humble that he would be the first to agree with you.
Have you seen his PC this afternoon?
To paraphrase Tim, he said that he let his emotions get to him and was angry and about to pull out.
The call from Sheriff Beary and offer of support changed his mind.
He does not want to speak about the family but he did have this to say:
He is here for Caylee.
He understands their position.
He knows what they are going through.
He understands their need to keep hope alive.
He did not have LE's support when his daughter Laura disappeared.
He knows what it is like when no one respects your position.
He believes that Caylee is dead; the Anthony's believe that she is alive.
He hopes that he is wrong and that Cindy is right, and that Caylee will come home alive.
He does not consider himself an expert. If he were, then Equusearch would have a 100% success rate and everyone that they search for would be found.
Equusearch has about a 9% success rate, but 9% is better than 0%. 0% is what you get when you don't search.
He hopes that with the support from LE and the community that there will be 1000 searchers on Saturday and they will be able to cover the areas very thoroughly.
If they don't find Caylee, they at least will know where she is not.
The family has nothing to do with his work now.
His focus is Caylee and Caylee alone.

I really try hard to keep my opinions about the Anthony's under control.
Cindy has an unfortunate personality and has put herself in front of every camera - in her search for Caylee.
She has put herself in the spotlight and that always brings some amount of criticism.
Cindy stated early on that she did not care what anyone thought about her, as long as they were looking for Caylee.
Cindy was extremely successful in bringing national attention to this case, perhaps more successful than she imagined.
Having turned the mega watt media machine on, it has come as a shock that there is no "off" switch.
The media won't go until another big story takes them away.
The circumstances of this case, with Casey being the main suspect, naturally brings lots of negative attention to the family.
I fully understand why posters express outrage and anger at the Anthony's and it has to do with the special circumstances of the case, the lies that have been told, and the inability of Cindy to refrain from insulting those who are trying to help.
Personally, I feel very badly for the Anthony's. It is true that none of us know how we would react in such a horrendous situation. However, our basic personality traits don't usually turn someone into an entirely different person. Cindy has shown the world a very unpleasant persona and it is hard for many to give her a pass. Cindy's behavior has generated this negative reaction. I doubt that a slick, new criminal attorney will be able to rehabilitate her image.
For me, I hope that Caylee is found and that justice is served to the perpetrator(s).

*speech over*
*takes a bow*
*understands why posters are so upset*
* is glad that we have our Constitutional rights and would not give them up in order to prosecute one perp, to the detriment of the many falsely accused*
*dodges rotten fruit and veggies*

:chicken:

ETA: I really do wish that the court would appoint a Guadian ad Litem for Caylee. She needs an attorney too. [/*]



i couldnt snip this excellent post:beer:

[baywench]

Originally posted by luvinlife



Yes I know but ANS was famous, Caylee and the Anthony's are not. Most of the photos of Anna were taken by professional photographers that had to be paid for the use of her pics. [/*]

My point was not that ANS was famous but rather that it was insight into how things are really done behind the scenes of these shows. Rita was not allowed to pay for interviews but was going to pay in other ways. Sorry if that was confusing. jmo

[Albini]

Originally posted by ?WudScoobyDo


I already know that. But thanks! [/*]

Figured I'd remind you, since you remind others that they only have an opinion fairly regularily.

[MichelleP]

Originally posted by ?WudScoobyDo


Neither are you, and you have nothing more than a belief that Caylee is deceased.
imo [/*]

It's more than a belief.

http://crime.suite101.com/article.cfm/authorities_confirm_caylees_body_was_in_trunk

The Body in the Trunk Was Caylee

On Sunday, WESH reported that for the first time Orange County investigators acknowledged the FBI DNA tests confirmed that Caylee’s dead body was in the trunk of her mother Casey’s car. The Orange County Sheriff’s Office Sgt. John Allen stated, “The information we’ve gotten back from the lab that she was in the trunk of that car and that she is dead is certainly something we take seriously.”

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by bluwaters
Originally posted by Dragon

(respectfully snipped)


*speech over*
*takes a bow*
*understands why posters are so upset*
* is glad that we have our Constitutional rights and would not give them up in order to prosecute one perp, to the detriment of the many falsely accused*
*dodges rotten fruit and veggies*

:chicken:

ETA: I really do wish that the court would appoint a Guadian ad Litem for Caylee. She needs an attorney too. [/*]



No rotten fruit and veggies from me


I agree with you:rose:

[True2Blues]

Originally posted by ruth66


my question is, under the ankle bracelet, I understood that she had limited time on her outings.. she was at his office almost daily for extended periods of time, isn't that in violation of her bail or restrictions? How much can they be going over for neglect charges? Has she found the child? NO Sounds like child neglect to me....should she be able to be preparing for a possible murder charge? I would think that would be "jumping the gun" so to speak....since the Anthony family continues to remind anyone who will listen, she isn't charged with murder.

Bare minimum, she is certainly taking advantage of the system.

JMO [/*]

I think she is too.

[Pooh]

Originally posted by PeteyRawks


I wonder if C&G realize what a huge threat she might pose to them. I firmly believe she intended to do them in.

moo [/*]
Yeah, you might be right. I'd be checking her computer for searches on arsenic. It's no secret she didn't like her parents. She told anyone who would listen that she hated her dad and argued with her mom. And she also told people she would be getting the house. Crazines.

[ruth66]

Originally posted by luvinlife



Yes I know but ANS was famous, Caylee and the Anthony's are not. Most of the photos of Anna were taken by professional photographers that had to be paid for the use of her pics. [/*]

psst...don't tell Casey that she's not famous, it will break the families heart. Really after all this, even if she never goes to trial (god forbid) I can't imagine anyone every really trusting her again. Not with money, kids(she could misplace them), your husband, your car......does she really she a normal life after all this?

JMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


Why blame the bond companies? They exist to provide people a means to exercise their Constitutional right to bond. Do you think a bond company should decide guilt or innocence?

I blame LE. If they have all the evidence they have leaked to the media, there is no excuse for not charging her under the homicide statute. [/*]

Another voice of reason!!!!! :beer:

[steffaroob4]

Originally posted by desmom


There was another case when the 20/20 paid for interviews/pic debate came up. Someone contacted them or found something on their website. At that time, 20/20 did not pay for interviews, videos or photos.

I am sorry. I suffer from CRS and can't find a link, so this is jmo. [/*]

Ok, but does the TODAY show state that?

[frances1]

Originally posted by Aame


No they aren't but you can bet one thing, God does know where she is and He knows who did what and ultimately they will be held accountable. [/*]


Amen. I'm sure He sent His angels long ago to take her to Paradise.

[Motomom]

Hey all.. missed alot I see. Have a meeting to go to and no time to read. I know she got her bond posted but that's it. Would anyone be so kind to quickly update me either here or pm pretty please.. when will she be getting out.. and how did the searh go today, did they find otehr possible evidence?

[luvinlife]

Originally posted by baywench


My point was not that ANS was famous but rather that it was insight into how things are really done behind the scenes of these shows. Rita was not allowed to pay for interviews but was going to pay in other ways. Sorry if that was confusing. jmo [/*]


oh yes sorry I did misunderstand. thanks for clearing that up. :seeya:

I am a little slow:)

[summer4meplz]

sorry if this has been asked, i'm trying to catch up...but...if cindy didn't even know that casey was being bonded out...who's house if casey home confined to? tia

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by impartial



The link doesn't work ... normally, that would refer to acts performed while she was out on bond ... not for an act that occurred prior to the bond.

IMO [/*]

Somebody on another site posted the exact contract restrictions (they didn't say how they obtained them :D )

Anyhoo, in addition to being arrested for crimes committed while on bond, there was another, separate, line for ANY ARREST, with the exception of traffic citations, was indeed grounds for revocation of bond.

These new companies could very well have the same set of criteria.

[True2Blues]

Originally posted by ruth66


psst...don't tell Casey that she's not famous, it will break the families heart. Really after all this, even if she never goes to trial (god forbid) I can't imagine anyone every really trusting her again. Not with money, kids(she could misplace them), your husband, your car......does she really she a normal life after all this?

JMO [/*]


No, she probably thinks that she'll be able to hit the talk show circuit as a mother of a missing child, telling her heart breaking story to millions of viewers every day.

[LynnD]

Originally posted by ellegna


Maybe that generous anonymous person who put up her bail will take her in? [/*]


I doubt it will take long for this "generous" person to be uncovered by the media,a new addition to this cast of crazys.

[Motomom]

Originally posted by house


She may be getting out as early as tonight, Mm. [/*]


:flamemad: Thank you house

[steffaroob4]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


If you're going to state it, state ALL of it, in truth instead of your own desire to paint Cindy's statements as "juicy gossip" that "she doesn't care at all about finding Caylee", and "would rather a dead Caylee just not be found due to her protection of Casey".

Those are horridly wicked statements being made on this board, and as Coldwater so eloquently stated, "not how I was raised at all".

Why not state instead, as Cindy has, that she WANTS HER GRANDDAUGHTER FOUND ALIVE, because that, is what she truly believes to be true. [/*]

I believe we can all figure out what Cindy meant in her statement, it sure isn't hard to figure out, she doesn't want people volunteering to search the woods, how hard is that to understand.:confused:

[frances1]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


You're totally missing the point that the very fact that these Bond companies ARE bailing out Casey only further boosts their reputation in the Criminal world.

And like it or not, their business IS anchored in the Criminal world. [/*]I



No, I'm not missing the point. I also said protesters with picket signs wouldn't hurt, either.

[OneUp]

Originally posted by Dragon


You make a very valid point. He didn't have the pressure of a bunch of hateful people yelling baby killer outside his home. Or people sending death threats to his home. Or have the media camped out in his front yard for everyone to judge his every move and every nuance of every look.

How dare you use your sanctimonious BS to claim some type of moral leverage when trying to degrade another human being in the process?

How dare you say I should be ashamed for asserting my belief that Cindy deserves some type of sympathy for the ordeal she is going through. At no point have I degraded or insinuated anything bad about Tim. In fact, I specifically said I commend him for his work.

But the bottom line is noone was there judging his every move as is happening with Cindy. Bottom line is it took him 16 years to finally do something in regards to TES. Perhaps it will take Cindy 16 years to do that?

A bunch of histrionic, sanctimonious shrill people wanting to see immediate results and wanting Cindy to act in the same over-the-top manner as they see themselves doing it in their mind's eye is outrageous.

If speaking of Tim's past is something I should be ashamed of, then so be it. But at least I'm not the one judging Cindy, saying she should be locked up and seeing her (and her family) continually disrespected over and over and over.

No. Shame on the bunch of people without an ounce of empathy who feel they're "entitled" to a particular response from Cindy, George, Lee or anyone else going through the nightmare of dealing with a child they loved a great deal, no longer in their life. Only further complicated with the abundance of evidence that points to another loved family member being the responsible party.

I feel no shame for caring about someone. For feeling empathy. There is nothing shameful in that. [/*]I think it is being ignored that at the beginning of this case there was alot of public sympathy for Cindy. On this board I have read tons of posts defending her, even today many still do. Even I, who is critical of many of her actions have prayed for her and posted time and again that she is in pain, that she needs love and support, and that I see hurt in her eyes.
BUT none of that allows her carte blanche to run other people down into the dirt. It may tell us why she does it, but it in no way justifies it.
If people are yelling in her yard instead of attending candlelight vigils, maybe there is a reason the tide of public opinion has shifted? One cannot expect to continually show disrespect for others and reap respect for themselves, like much in life you will reap what you have sown.
JMO.

[LeslieK]

Originally posted by Joan Weiss
That is outrageous and slanderous. There is no call for that kind of remark. I think Lenny needs to go home and tend to his own business. imo [/*]

I think he should be careful about what he says, but the dysfunction in that family is deep and its not just about Casey. Cindy is very practiced at denial and convincing herself of things that are so untrue it boggles the mind she would even think that way. Something was wrong with that family.

[baywench]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Would "tramp around the woods" be a noun or a verb? [/*]

There goes another keyboard cryme....tramp in the woods....LOL...I can't stand it:patriot:

[kakax]

Originally posted by AustinsMama
Hello Everyone- I have been lurking on these boards for over a month following everyone's posts. I'd like to thank all of you for keeping a lot of us "lurkers" up to date every minute. I was not going to register to post - HOWEVER- after finding out that Casey is going to be bonded out AGAIN is just so sickening to me! I had to register and share my feelings. Based on all the evidence- HOW COULD ANYONE BOND HER OUT? This is such a joke- LE needs to slap her with murder charges - she does not deserve to taste freedom...yes I understand innocent until proven guilty but all the FACTS point to her being GUILTY. The child was in her care when all this happened- this is so unfair. This case has affected my life- I've never been drawn to a case until now. Justice needs to be served and sooner rather than later. I understand LE is building their case but HELLO signs of human decomp and now CHLOROFORM???? Someone of legal expertise please tell me WHY- WHY is she not charged with murder yet? I'm really sad and depressed- no words can express my disappointment. I live in Southern California and am seriously thinking of flying out there to protest. I guess I have to put IMO before I get slammed by anyone. I am really really UPSET. =( [/*]


Hello and welcome!! I think alot of us feel this way! Great first post!

[Velouria]

Originally posted by OneUp
I think it is being ignored that at the beginning of this case there was alot of public sympathy for Cindy. On this board I have read tons of posts defending her, even today many still do. Even I, who is critical of many of her actions have prayed for her and posted time and again that she is in pain, that she needs love and support, and that I see hurt in her eyes.
BUT none of that allows her carte blanche to run other people down into the dirt. It may tell us why she does it, but it in no way justifies it.
If people are yelling in her yard instead of attending candlelight vigils, maybe there is a reason the tide of public opinion has shifted? One cannot expect to continually show disrespect for others and reap respect for themselves, like much in life you will reap what you have sown.
JMO. [/*]

:beer:
Bravo, OneUp!

[msgatorslayer]

Step away to have dinner and be a good wifey. Come back and find that this witch is getting out, AGAIN?

I wonder if the money came from the new attorney that the Anthony's have hired to represent them.

:flamemad:

[ruth66]

Originally posted by True2Blues



No, she probably thinks that she'll be able to hit the talk show circuit as a mother of a missing child, telling her heart breaking story to millions of viewers every day. [/*]

might work if the whole world suddenly gets a case of amnesia....

JMO

[True2Blues]

Originally posted by ?WudScoobyDo


Yet.. she hasn't been charged with the murder of Caylee. [/*]


That doesn't mean she won't be. LE may not be finished with their investigation yet.

She hasn't been found blameless either.

[FrankieBones1]

Originally posted by ellegna


Maybe that generous anonymous person who put up her bail will take her in? [/*]Could be Baez for all we know.

[steffaroob4]

Originally posted by True2Blues


Cindy Anthony said that she did not want people volunteering to help Tim. That IS a true statement. Not Gossip, not lie.

There is nothing wicked about stating a fact. We are not required to state Cindy Anthony's every word. [/*]

ITA- I sure wasn't twisting anything, CA has made it quite clear what she thinks of Tim Millers efforts.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by kitty1182


I wish I were a neighbor;) [/*]

And I wish we were roomates!

:D

[frances1]

Originally posted by Little Bitty
I think that we all have the right to come to our own opinions about the case, Caylee's whereabouts and the Anthony's. I don't think that there is anyone who can sway my mind without the facts.

That being said, earlier I defended both Cindy and George because of what I saw that they were going through...thrust into a complete tragedy...and handling it badly.

However, after Cindy's beratement of LE (which is understandable...they are building a case against her daughter), the media (who cover this story daily and are daily putting Caylee's picture before the public when many other families would not receive 1% of this exposure for their missing loved one), and Tim Miller and Equusearch who spent $28,000 in resources to come and help...just not in the way Cindy wanted, I have pretty much come to the determination that they are not people I care to defend at this point. Do I feel sympathy and empathy for Cindy and George? Absolutely. Do I pray for them and Caylee...even Casey nightly? Yes. Do I want bad things to happen to them (other than Casey)? No. Do I want for Caylee to be found alive? Yes. Can I defend their behavior anymore inspite of the above? Absolutely unequivocally....NO. [/*]



Great post, Little.

[day2day]

Originally posted by msgatorslayer
Step away to have dinner and be a good wifey. Come back and find that this witch is getting out, AGAIN?

I wonder if the money came from the new attorney that the Anthony's have hired to represent them.

:flamemad: [/*]
It was reported even CINDY didn't know she was getting out. Baez and Casey didn't tell her..:shrug:

[baywench]

Originally posted by ruth66


psst...don't tell Casey that she's not famous, it will break the families heart. Really after all this, even if she never goes to trial (god forbid) I can't imagine anyone every really trusting her again. Not with money, kids(she could misplace them), your husband, your car......does she really she a normal life after all this?

JMO [/*]

It's wonder with her memory she was able to get the shovel back to the neighbor:mad:

[impartial]

Originally posted by Dragon


You make a very valid point. He didn't have the pressure of a bunch of hateful people yelling baby killer outside his home. Or people sending death threats to his home. Or have the media camped out in his front yard for everyone to judge his every move and every nuance of every look.

How dare you use your sanctimonious BS to claim some type of moral leverage when trying to degrade another human being in the process?

How dare you say I should be ashamed for asserting my belief that Cindy deserves some type of sympathy for the ordeal she is going through. At no point have I degraded or insinuated anything bad about Tim. In fact, I specifically said I commend him for his work.

But the bottom line is noone was there judging his every move as is happening with Cindy. Bottom line is it took him 16 years to finally do something in regards to TES. Perhaps it will take Cindy 16 years to do that?

A bunch of histrionic, sanctimonious shrill people wanting to see immediate results and wanting Cindy to act in the same over-the-top manner as they see themselves doing it in their mind's eye is outrageous.

If speaking of Tim's past is something I should be ashamed of, then so be it. But at least I'm not the one judging Cindy, saying she should be locked up and seeing her (and her family) continually disrespected over and over and over.

No. Shame on the bunch of people without an ounce of empathy who feel they're "entitled" to a particular response from Cindy, George, Lee or anyone else going through the nightmare of dealing with a child they loved a great deal, no longer in their life. Only further complicated with the abundance of evidence that points to another loved family member being the responsible party.

I feel no shame for caring about someone. For feeling empathy. There is nothing shameful in that. [/*]


I bow to you for this Dragon.

IMO

[True2Blues]

Originally posted by FrankieBones1
Could be Baez for all we know. [/*]

:seeya: Hi Frankie,

That's what I was wondering too. Or some 'friend' of his, since it might be unethical for him to do it.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by ruth66


might work if the whole world suddenly gets a case of amnesia....

JMO [/*]

Well, yeah....

[bchand]

Originally posted by Mandysmom
Dragon I just have to say this before I leave this thread for tonight.

When Tim Miller's daughter Laura went missing, he asked for help from LE and didn't get it. He tried to search himself and had no help from any organization.

LE refused to give him the location of the place where Heidi was found so that he could go search for Laura there. Everytime he tried to do something to find his child, he was met by a brick wall.

I imagine after a year and a half of my 16 year old daughter missing that I might have begun to drink to excess and lose my job, family, everything. That's what happened to Tim.

He didn't have any media coverage, the advantage of being on tv night and day, no internet sites set up to help organize and help find his child. I suppose that hope would become a very elusive thing for him.

I don't see how you can even dare to compare him to Cindy Anthony. While he was begging for help, and searching areas for his child, she has taken every single act of kindness and thrown it back into the faces of those who have helped out.

Tim didn't have the advantages in searching for his child that Cindy has had.

This just makes me sick, the continuing saga of people who are so into themselves that they think the world owes them to go out and find their missing grandchild.

People are volunteering even after being told not to by the Anthony family. Good God!

Tim Miller and Cindy Anthony are two very different creatures. One has tried to stonewall the investigation into her granddaughter's disappearance at every turn. The other was out trying to find their daughter and was met with a lack of caring by the LE.

This makes me so angry that you would even say anything like this. I had thought before that you were a thoughtful and insightful poster, but my mind has certainly done a complete 180 turn with this hatefullness towards a man who has done nothing but try to help people.

Most of those families he has helped are grateful, and many more would love to have his help. You should be ashamed.



:beer: [/*]

Wonderful post. I didn't know the whole story behind Tim's search for his daughter. Thank heavens I didn't stop reading with Dragon's opinion of him.

[bluwaters]

Originally posted by Little Bitty
I think that we all have the right to come to our own opinions about the case, Caylee's whereabouts and the Anthony's. I don't think that there is anyone who can sway my mind without the facts.

That being said, earlier I defended both Cindy and George because of what I saw that they were going through...thrust into a complete tragedy...and handling it badly.

However, after Cindy's beratement of LE (which is understandable...they are building a case against her daughter), the media (who cover this story daily and are daily putting Caylee's picture before the public when many other families would not receive 1% of this exposure for their missing loved one), and Tim Miller and Equusearch who spent $28,000 in resources to come and help...just not in the way Cindy wanted, I have pretty much come to the determination that they are not people I care to defend at this point. Do I feel sympathy and empathy for Cindy and George? Absolutely. Do I pray for them and Caylee...even Casey nightly? Yes. Do I want bad things to happen to them (other than Casey)? No. Do I want for Caylee to be found alive? Yes. Can I defend their behavior anymore inspite of the above? Absolutely unequivocally....NO. [/*]

Soul sister :beer:

[kakax]

Originally posted by Little Bitty
I think that we all have the right to come to our own opinions about the case, Caylee's whereabouts and the Anthony's. I don't think that there is anyone who can sway my mind without the facts.

That being said, earlier I defended both Cindy and George because of what I saw that they were going through...thrust into a complete tragedy...and handling it badly.

However, after Cindy's beratement of LE (which is understandable...they are building a case against her daughter), the media (who cover this story daily and are daily putting Caylee's picture before the public when many other families would not receive 1% of this exposure for their missing loved one), and Tim Miller and Equusearch who spent $28,000 in resources to come and help...just not in the way Cindy wanted, I have pretty much come to the determination that they are not people I care to defend at this point. Do I feel sympathy and empathy for Cindy and George? Absolutely. Do I pray for them and Caylee...even Casey nightly? Yes. Do I want bad things to happen to them (other than Casey)? No. Do I want for Caylee to be found alive? Yes. Can I defend their behavior anymore inspite of the above? Absolutely unequivocally....NO. [/*]


Ty for this post....you have described exactly how I feel!!

[Pebbles]

Originally posted by Elle



I do not understand why you directed this toward me? Caylee's rights have been gravely violated. I asked a question because I would like to know the answer. Baez said someone is bailing her out because her constitutional rights have been violated and I want to know what is meant by that. imo

Yes, I understand why the public cares so much:rose: [/*]

Sorry, I was not directing this reply at you, I was posting it towards the Anthonys and their attorneys.

I feel Caylee is the one whose rights are being violated and she is the one that is the most important.

I agreed with what you were asking.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by Little Bitty



Thanks for posting jammies. I am waiting for the protesters to start showing up. [/*]

Wow! Cindy hasn't even tied a yellow ribbon 'round the ol' palm tree!

[Carol25]

Has she been charged for defrauding her grandmother yet?

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Little Bitty
I think that we all have the right to come to our own opinions about the case, Caylee's whereabouts and the Anthony's. I don't think that there is anyone who can sway my mind without the facts.

That being said, earlier I defended both Cindy and George because of what I saw that they were going through...thrust into a complete tragedy...and handling it badly.

However, after Cindy's beratement of LE (which is understandable...they are building a case against her daughter), the media (who cover this story daily and are daily putting Caylee's picture before the public when many other families would not receive 1% of this exposure for their missing loved one), and Tim Miller and Equusearch who spent $28,000 in resources to come and help...just not in the way Cindy wanted, I have pretty much come to the determination that they are not people I care to defend at this point. Do I feel sympathy and empathy for Cindy and George? Absolutely. Do I pray for them and Caylee...even Casey nightly? Yes. Do I want bad things to happen to them (other than Casey)? No. Do I want for Caylee to be found alive? Yes. Can I defend their behavior anymore inspite of the above? Absolutely unequivocally....NO. [/*]

Actually that's a very well stated post though I don't share your opinion.

I would say there is perhaps a difference between defending behavior and understanding it. For understanding does NOT mean condoning. I don't condone or defend Cindy's behavior but I understand that people can act completely and totally irrational in the fact of a completely and totally irrational life event that smacked them in the head out of nowhere. I forget Dragon's exact words, which were so eloquent, but something like she has lost this child she loved SO much, and overwhelming evidence is pointing to the fact that another loved family member caused it. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. And no, I don't think they 'brought it all on themselves.' What malarky. Even IF they were such "enablers", good GRIEF, did anyone expect that their child would murder their grandchild? OMG, "there but for the grace of God......." I am so touched by anyone who has compassion for EVERYONE involved in this tragedy!

I applaud you for praying for them all, even Casey. :rose:

[steffaroob4]

Originally posted by missy1974


http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

try this one :) [/*]

It hasn't moved in a while and the aerial cam is not on house any more.

[baywench]

Originally posted by frances1




Great post, Little. [/*]

I second that LB!

[desmom]

Originally posted by missy1974


http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

try this one :) [/*]

I think it is stuck. The clouds have been in the same position all day. I also think their house faces east and should not have sunshine on the front of it at this time of day. jmo

[bluwaters]

Originally posted by steffaroob4


I believe we can all figure out what Cindy meant in her statement, it sure isn't hard to figure out, she doesn't want people volunteering to search the woods, how hard is that to understand.:confused: [/*]
You are exactly right. Despite the evidence that points to Caylee now being deceased, Cindy just cannot go there. So, she is upset that those who follow the evidence are searching the woods (swamp as we call it in FL) for a dead body.

[frances1]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


It isn't the Bond company's place to determine guilt or innocence, ever, at all, but particularly considering the fact that Casey hasn't been charged with Caylee's death.

Did you forget that part? [/*][/QUOTE


No, I didn't forget it, but they don't have to post bond if they don't want to.

[True2Blues]

Originally posted by steffaroob4


ITA- I sure wasn't twisting anything, CA has made it quite clear what she thinks of Tim Millers efforts. [/*]


She certainly has.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by bchand


Wonderful post. I didn't know the whole story behind Tim's search for his daughter. Thank heavens I didn't stop reading with Dragon's opinion of him. [/*]

Dragon applauded his work and gave NO negative opinion of him.

It's sad that post was so misinterpreted.

[dtviewer]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


If you're going to state it, state ALL of it, in truth instead of your own desire to paint Cindy's statements as "juicy gossip" that "she doesn't care at all about finding Caylee", and "would rather a dead Caylee just not be found due to her protection of Casey".

Those are horridly wicked statements being made on this board, and as Coldwater so eloquently stated, "not how I was raised at all".

Why not state instead, as Cindy has, that she WANTS HER GRANDDAUGHTER FOUND ALIVE, because that, is what she truly believes to be true. [/*]

Exactly! Why cant people see that as you do. Cindy would be happy to help and be involved IF Tim was looking for a LIVE Caylee. JUST like she did when she utilized Padilla when he was looking for a live caylee...OOOps, sorry, my mistake!

Cindy DID NOT utilize Padilla when he was looking for a live Caylee, and she doesnt want Tim looking for a dead Caylee?There are only 2 options here. Caylee is alive or dead.

And Cindy sure isnt utilizying the resources offered to her to find Caylee either way.....its pretty obvious from where I sit.

Disgusting.....but I guess thats just her way of 'grieving':rolleyes:

[101Spots]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Would "tramp around the woods" be a noun or a verb? [/*]


Ooooooooooo, you're good!!!

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by ?WudScoobyDo


... brilliant. [/*]

compassionate.

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Wow! Cindy hasn't even tied a yellow ribbon 'round the ol' palm tree! [/*]

Could that be what she was trying to do the other night?





:tongue:

[True2Blues]

Originally posted by MrLucky917


Casey bailed herself out, she gave them a check for 50 grand written on Amy's account.. [/*]


If that hadn't already been reported I wouldn't put it past her. :)

[grammie/va]

Originally posted by bluwaters
Originally posted by Dragon


Hello Dragon!
I have tremendous respect for you and look forward to your posts.
I am not even going to flame you for this post because I truly believe that Tim Miller is so humble that he would be the first to agree with you.
Have you seen his PC this afternoon?
To paraphrase Tim, he said that he let his emotions get to him and was angry and about to pull out.
The call from Sheriff Beary and offer of support changed his mind.
He does not want to speak about the family but he did have this to say:
He is here for Caylee.
He understands their position.
He knows what they are going through.
He understands their need to keep hope alive.
He did not have LE's support when his daughter Laura disappeared.
He knows what it is like when no one respects your position.
He believes that Caylee is dead; the Anthony's believe that she is alive.
He hopes that he is wrong and that Cindy is right, and that Caylee will come home alive.
He does not consider himself an expert. If he were, then Equusearch would have a 100% success rate and everyone that they search for would be found.
Equusearch has about a 9% success rate, but 9% is better than 0%. 0% is what you get when you don't search.
He hopes that with the support from LE and the community that there will be 1000 searchers on Saturday and they will be able to cover the areas very thoroughly.
If they don't find Caylee, they at least will know where she is not.
The family has nothing to do with his work now.
His focus is Caylee and Caylee alone.

I really try hard to keep my opinions about the Anthony's under control.
Cindy has an unfortunate personality and has put herself in front of every camera - in her search for Caylee.
She has put herself in the spotlight and that always brings some amount of criticism.
Cindy stated early on that she did not care what anyone thought about her, as long as they were looking for Caylee.
Cindy was extremely successful in bringing national attention to this case, perhaps more successful than she imagined.
Having turned the mega watt media machine on, it has come as a shock that there is no "off" switch.
The media won't go until another big story takes them away.
The circumstances of this case, with Casey being the main suspect, naturally brings lots of negative attention to the family.
I fully understand why posters express outrage and anger at the Anthony's and it has to do with the special circumstances of the case, the lies that have been told, and the inability of Cindy to refrain from insulting those who are trying to help.
Personally, I feel very badly for the Anthony's. It is true that none of us know how we would react in such a horrendous situation. However, our basic personality traits don't usually turn someone into an entirely different person. Cindy has shown the world a very unpleasant persona and it is hard for many to give her a pass. Cindy's behavior has generated this negative reaction. I doubt that a slick, new criminal attorney will be able to rehabilitate her image.
For me, I hope that Caylee is found and that justice is served to the perpetrator(s).

*speech over*
*takes a bow*
*understands why posters are so upset*
* is glad that we have our Constitutional rights and would not give them up in order to prosecute one perp, to the detriment of the many falsely accused*
*dodges rotten fruit and veggies*

:chicken:

ETA: I really do wish that the court would appoint a Guadian ad Litem for Caylee. She needs an attorney too. [/*]

Speaking of great post! This is one also. Why can't we all have our own opinion on this board, they don't have to be the same. None of us are wrong because it is just our opinions, and we all will defend the right to have our own opinion. The truth, the facts, and justice will all prevail in the end. There is a stronger divine person than all of us.

[frances1]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Actually that's a very well stated post though I don't share your opinion.

I would say there is perhaps a difference between defending behavior and understanding it. For understanding does NOT mean condoning. I don't condone or defend Cindy's behavior but I understand that people can act completely and totally irrational in the fact of a completely and totally irrational life event that smacked them in the head out of nowhere. I forget Dragon's exact words, which were so eloquent, but something like she has lost this child she loved SO much, and overwhelming evidence is pointing to the fact that another loved family member caused it. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. And no, I don't think they 'brought it all on themselves.' What malarky. Even IF they were such "enablers", good GRIEF, did anyone expect that their child would murder their grandchild? OMG, "there but for the grace of God......." I am so touched by anyone who has compassion for EVERYONE involved in this tragedy!

I applaud you for praying for them all, even Casey. :rose: [/*]


There is a difference between empathy and sympathy.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by OneUp
I think it is being ignored that at the beginning of this case there was alot of public sympathy for Cindy. On this board I have read tons of posts defending her, even today many still do. Even I, who is critical of many of her actions have prayed for her and posted time and again that she is in pain, that she needs love and support, and that I see hurt in her eyes.
BUT none of that allows her carte blanche to run other people down into the dirt. It may tell us why she does it, but it in no way justifies it.
If people are yelling in her yard instead of attending candlelight vigils, maybe there is a reason the tide of public opinion has shifted? One cannot expect to continually show disrespect for others and reap respect for themselves, like much in life you will reap what you have sown.
JMO. [/*]

Word.

:beer:

[Carol25]

It's amazing what $50,000 could do for some charities and somone wants to throw it down for a bail for Casey..

[Pebbles]

Originally posted by jammies



http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html [/*]


Except it is now dusk down here in Orlando

[frances1]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


You don't understand the audience that protesters would be playing to.

The general public who never has the occasion to employ a Bond agency isn't going to care at all about protesters - they have absolutely no reason to if they have no Criminal record.

Those who have a Criminal record, or loved ones of those currently in jail awaiting Bond will LOVE these 2 companies, because they're accepting and posting high-risk Bonds.

So, what audience will you be playing to that matters?

None. [/*]


DG, let it be. You and I don't speak the same language.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert


Could that be what she was trying to do the other night?





:tongue: [/*]

You mean it's now "Tie a Yellow Ribbon 'Round the Ol' Sidewalk".

Can that even be rhymed?

[ruth66]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Regina.Lampert


Could that be what she was trying to do the other night?


good lord, even crime scene tape would do, I guess they ran out.

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by grammie/va


Speaking of great post! This is one also. Why can't we all have our own opinion on this board, they don't have to be the same. None of us are wrong because it is just our opinions, and we all will defend the right to have our own opinion. The truth, the facts, and justice will all prevail in the end. There is a stronger divine person than all of us. [/*]

You are right, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. When you see someone with their panties in a twist, lecturing all the posters on the board, just scroll on by, not worth the read. IMO.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Martha I'm not so sure that anyone "wants" her out of jail, or I wouldn't put it that way at least. But it is her constitutional right, and that is those bondsmen's job. Much as some people might hate it. (And I don't think "complaining" to them will do any good.) [/*]

The bondsmen are neutral parties, any complaints should go the 'anonymous' person who put the money up.
JMO

[trich]

Hate breeds hate.




Exactly and this is why most people have come to hate Cindy!!!

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~

Why not state instead, as Cindy has, that she WANTS HER GRANDDAUGHTER FOUND ALIVE, because that, is what she truly believes to be true.

I can't state for certain as to what Cindy truly Believes...

But I can assure you that the average concerned citizen would rather Believe that Caylee is Alive.

What does that mean?

IT MEANS THE AVERAGE CONCERNED CITIZEN HAS RESPECT FOR AN INNOCENT VICTIM THAT HAS NO VOICE.

What does this mean?

It means that Cindy Anthony can continue to believe whatever she chooses to believe.

MEANWHILE, the average concerned citizen, in numbers and multiplying; have taken an interest and the liberty/freedom in bringing home a little girl, dead or alive.

:patriot: Thank you.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by Little Bitty


TY and great post as well. If I didn't pray nightly for Casey...I would be a hypocrit in my mind (I am only speaking about myself), jmo. I leave the ultimate judgment for God. Everyone is forgiven for their sins if they ask for it. If I don't forgive and pray for my enemies I can't expect to be shown the same forgiveness from God...:rose: MOO...totally. [/*]

:beer:

[day2day]

Originally posted by dtviewer


Exactly! Why cant people see that as you do. Cindy would be happy to help and be involved IF Tim was looking for a LIVE Caylee. JUST like she did when she utilized Padilla when he was looking for a live caylee...OOOps, sorry, my mistake!

Cindy DID NOT utilize Padilla when he was looking for a live Caylee, and she doesnt want Tim looking for a dead Caylee?There are only 2 options here. Caylee is alive or dead.

And Cindy sure isnt utilizying the resources offered to her to find Caylee either way.....its pretty obvious from where I sit.

Disgusting.....but I guess thats just her way of 'grieving':rolleyes: [/*]

Help me out here...
Cindy wants to search for a live Caylee. She didn't help Padilla. She spends her days hiring defense attornies (i can't figure that one out)...WHEN is she going to start searching?
IF she believes Caylee is alive...shouldn't she be doing something?
I just don't understand.

[Pebbles]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Would "tramp around the woods" be a noun or a verb? [/*]



:lol:

[desmom]

Originally posted by impartial



The link doesn't work ... normally, that would refer to acts performed while she was out on bond ... not for an act that occurred prior to the bond.

IMO [/*]

Thanks for the info...


Here is their home page http://www.fcsurety.com/

Click Bail Bonds > Forms/Apps > Forms > Scroll down to Florida.

[Ionmhainn]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Actually that's a very well stated post though I don't share your opinion.

I would say there is perhaps a difference between defending behavior and understanding it. For understanding does NOT mean condoning. I don't condone or defend Cindy's behavior but I understand that people can act completely and totally irrational in the fact of a completely and totally irrational life event that smacked them in the head out of nowhere. I forget Dragon's exact words, which were so eloquent, but something like she has lost this child she loved SO much, and overwhelming evidence is pointing to the fact that another loved family member caused it. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. And no, I don't think they 'brought it all on themselves.' What malarky. Even IF they were such "enablers", good GRIEF, did anyone expect that their child would murder their grandchild? OMG, "there but for the grace of God......." I am so touched by anyone who has compassion for EVERYONE involved in this tragedy!

I applaud you for praying for them all, even Casey. :rose: [/*]

And I applaud you for knowing the difference between condoning and understanding. It's important, imo. There's also a difference between understanding and defending. Between posting bail and believing in innocence, etc.
jmo

[forensicnut]

Originally posted by MrLucky917


Casey bailed herself out, she gave them a check for 50 grand written on Amy's account.. [/*] oh my god, I laughed until my stomach hurt!


(although nothing funny about this case)

[frances1]

Originally posted by Oregongal


The bondsmen are neutral parties, any complaints should go the 'anonymous' person who put the money up.
JMO [/*]


Oregongal, I have been wondering if this a horrible practical joke on Cindy, putting Casey back in her home, by someone who has a LOT of money.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Little Bitty


TY and great post as well. If I didn't pray nightly for Casey...I would be a hypocrit in my mind (I am only speaking about myself), jmo. I leave the ultimate judgment for God. Everyone is forgiven for their sins if they ask for it. If I don't forgive and pray for my enemies I can't expect to be shown the same forgiveness from God...:rose: MOO...totally. [/*]

:beer: Beautifully said.

[101Spots]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


You mean it's now "Tie a Yellow Ribbon 'Round the Ol' Sidewalk".

Can that even be rhymed? [/*]


"......let's all bake brownies, cuz Casey won't talk."

[True2Blues]

Originally posted by day2day


Help me out here...
Cindy wants to search for a live Caylee. She didn't help Padilla. She spends her days hiring defense attornies (i can't figure that one out)...WHEN is she going to start searching?
IF she believes Caylee is alive...shouldn't she be doing something?
I just don't understand. [/*]


You understand just fine. She doesn't look because she knows there's no live child and she attempts to impede others from working, because she doesn't want the body of a dead child found.

[steffaroob4]

Originally posted by Stormy


Steff,

No, we can't figure that out, or anything else. We need the omniscient one to help us comprehend. ;)

Cindy knows Caylee is dead. Period.

JMO [/*]

omniscient
argh, dictionary time:D
Lol, I pray Caylee is one of the 9% that Tim Miller has found.

[dtviewer]

Originally posted by day2day


Help me out here...
Cindy wants to search for a live Caylee. She didn't help Padilla. She spends her days hiring defense attornies (i can't figure that one out)...WHEN is she going to start searching?
IF she believes Caylee is alive...shouldn't she be doing something?
I just don't understand. [/*]

Geez day2day, the Anthony's are searching tirelessly.
Remember how they said they were going out and driving the sign behind the car until Caylee was found?

Well, I'm sure sooner or later they are actually going to start doing just that.....no hurry though. I mean, Casey was in no hurry to report caylee missing either.........

[Sweetly]

Originally posted by Carol25
It's amazing what $50,000 could do for some charities and somone wants to throw it down for a bail for Casey.. [/*]

Boy, isn't this the TRUTH! I am just sick til I can't stand it that she is again being bailed out!!! I have no words left....

[bchand]

Originally posted by day2day


Help me out here...
Cindy wants to search for a live Caylee. She didn't help Padilla. She spends her days hiring defense attornies (i can't figure that one out)...WHEN is she going to start searching?
IF she believes Caylee is alive...shouldn't she be doing something?
I just don't understand. [/*]

Didn't you hear her answer on Nancy Grace the other night when asked where SHE has searched? ::::crickets::::

She's the "director". Sort of like G Bush said he was the decider?

[overflow123]

Hello My Name is Rebecca and I want to thank you for this opportunity to join this board It is so interesting to see about the caylee anthony case I pray that they find her body soon and that she can rest in peace I have been reading your post it is hard keeping up with all of you Thank You again for letting me share with all of you

[lonetraveler]

Originally posted by jewel6
Wow! I get back from getting hurricane supplies and i see shes being bonded out! barf jmo [/*]
==============================================

I have been doing the same thing, gathering non-perishable food, batteries, etc., In Wilmington, we are more worried about Ike than Hanna....................Local news stated that this could be a practice session for Ike next week. Good luck, be safe.

[aubrey04]

Originally posted by AustinsMama
Hello Everyone- I have been lurking on these boards for over a month following everyone's posts. I'd like to thank all of you for keeping a lot of us "lurkers" up to date every minute. I was not going to register to post - HOWEVER- after finding out that Casey is going to be bonded out AGAIN is just so sickening to me! I had to register and share my feelings. Based on all the evidence- HOW COULD ANYONE BOND HER OUT? This is such a joke- LE needs to slap her with murder charges - she does not deserve to taste freedom...yes I understand innocent until proven guilty but all the FACTS point to her being GUILTY. The child was in her care when all this happened- this is so unfair. This case has affected my life- I've never been drawn to a case until now. Justice needs to be served and sooner rather than later. I understand LE is building their case but HELLO signs of human decomp and now CHLOROFORM???? Someone of legal expertise please tell me WHY- WHY is she not charged with murder yet? I'm really sad and depressed- no words can express my disappointment. I live in Southern California and am seriously thinking of flying out there to protest. I guess I have to put IMO before I get slammed by anyone. I am really really UPSET. =( [/*]

Heya,

Welcome to the boards. :seeya:

I can understand your frustration. And you don't need to apologize for being upset.. this entire case is VERY upsetting.

RE: why has Casey not been charged with murder? IMO, they don't feel that they have enough evidence at this point to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Casey murdered Caylee. Or at least they believe a juror/jury could find reasonable doubt with the evidence thus far.

I think most people who post on here disagree that there isn't sufficient evidence, but the fact remains that LE and the prosecutors office need to make double sure they have all their ducks in a row... because if a jury acquits Casey -- she can not be tried again for murder. I think they are still investigating and gathering evidence..

I think she will be charged with murder, but it might take some time. IMO, LE has enough evidence to get her convicted of child neglect and fraud charges -- which could land her in prison/jail for awhile.. and while she's locked up for those charges.. they can build a case for murder..

IMO.

[msgatorslayer]

I never realized that Tim had a 9% recovery rate with TES.

So many missing people that are never found.:(

[LeslieK]

Originally posted by forensicnut


I am not a lawyer, but can probably give a good guess.

Innocent until Proven Guilty, is a constitutional right.

When Padilla revoked her bond, he played judge and jury. Bail is not suppose to be about someones guilt or innocence.

JMO [/*]

A bond is a private contract negotiated between two or mroe parties, with conditions and responsibilities. Guilt or innocence doesn't enter into it. In most states, a bondsman can revoke a bond anytime he feels his risk has gone beyond what he is willing or able to tolerate. Padilla stated several times that he was concerned about security, not just for the family, but for his people as well. In addition to that, before the bond was approved, he made many PUBLIC statements that the Anthonys surely heard that he was doing so in order to facilitate finding Caylee. The Anthonys rather conned him into financing this bond. They thought that they could use him. WHen he got into the situation, he must have realized what sickness and deviance he was dealing with and decided to cut his losses. He has to right to offer, refuse and revoke any bond he chooses. Refusal to take a bond, revocation of a bond, and posting a bond has nothing at all to do with whether or not the bondsman thinks the defendant is guilty. It has to do with how much of a risk that defendant poses both financially for the bondsman and the public safety risk. If Leonard Padilla was inclined to refuse a bond to anyone because he judges them to be guilty, he'd have to leave the bonding and bounty hunter business because the truth is that most of the people who are bonded out of jail are guilty and are a danger to society in one way or another. I think he really meant well and wanted to do something that might help find the baby. He tried again and again to try to speak positively about the situation, and frankly, is under no obligation to talk to the press or anyone. He's not the bad guy here. He's like all the others who went into this situation trying to help and ended up feeling dirty for all their good intentions and help. Frankly, he makes a lot more sense than some of the moronic attorneys, scientific experts and pundits. The real problem is casey. You know, murdering someone is a violation of their constititional rights. WHo will speak for Caylee? private contract [/*] :no:

[Pooh]

Originally posted by jennyanydots
Get outta my brain! lol
Carol I too am trying to think of what else they could charge her with just to keep her inside. I doubt, that her mother will press charges against her. I want to know why Casey hates her father so much :shrug: [/*]
According to the documents, he was cheating and that made Casey mad at him.

[steffaroob4]

Originally posted by msgatorslayer
I never realized that Tim had a 9% recovery rate with TES.

So many missing people that are never found.:( [/*]

It is sad, but I am sure the families of the 9% would do anything in the world for Tim Miller.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by frances1



Oregongal, I have been wondering if this a horrible practical joke on Cindy, putting Casey back in her home, by someone who has a LOT of money. [/*]

Good question, but then I would have to say... why?

:shrug:

[Rebel Rouzer]

I would like to apologize for my last post. It was harsh and emotional. I am really just tired of the thread getting closed due to the arguing and the focus of this case being taken away from Caylee. I do apologize.

[n/t]

Welcome Rebecca! Don't be afraid to post your opinions as long as you follow the rules of the board.

We have daily threads. Usually 3. Am, Afternoon and Evenings. Join us there.

We're all hoping and praying for Caylee. Yes, she needs to be found and laid to rest and the person(s) responsible for her death needs to be punished accordingly.

[bchand]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert


You are right, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. When you see someone with their panties in a twist, lecturing all the posters on the board, just scroll on by, not worth the read. IMO. [/*]

I try, I really do. The lectures really get old though. You notice it's always a great post as long as they agree with it?

I may agree with some and not all of what each poster has to say and that's my right.

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by Oregongal


The bondsmen are neutral parties, any complaints should go the 'anonymous' person who put the money up.
JMO [/*]

The complaints should go to the State Attorney for not charging her under the homicide code. IMO

[steffaroob4]

I have been hott all week with my predictions, tomorrow I predict...
another huge document drop from LE, call it a welcome home present from the good ole' boys in the white hats.:read:

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by steffaroob4


It is sad, but I am sure the families of the 9% would do anything in the world for Tim Miller. [/*]

I'd be willing to bet most all of the families he has helped feel that way. He does the best that he can. Thats all he can do.

ETA - Almost time for NG

[tootie]

Welcome to the board and feel free to join in on the discussions at hand! Someone has a link around here so you can light a candle for Caylee. I don't have it readily available but I'm sure someone will come along and provide it for you if you are interested in doing so. Again welcome to the board.

[baywench]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


You mean it's now "Tie a Yellow Ribbon 'Round the Ol' Sidewalk".

Can that even be rhymed? [/*]

Where the lookie-lous gawk and the Anthony's squawk.

[day2day]

Originally posted by dtviewer


Geez day2day, the Anthony's are searching tirelessly.
Remember how they said they were going out and driving the sign behind the car until Caylee was found?

Well, I'm sure sooner or later they are actually going to start doing just that.....no hurry though. I mean, Casey was in no hurry to report caylee missing either......... [/*]

Thanks dtviewer..
Right..The Anthony's have been searching. Searching for a defense attorney. Not for Casey ...for THEMSELVES. The only people searching for Casey are TES volunteers...
jmo..
:rose:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by msgatorslayer
I never realized that Tim had a 9% recovery rate with TES.

So many missing people that are never found.:( [/*]

I was shocked about that! Seems SO low.....but yet he sees the glass as half full, not half empty....rejoicing in that 9%, as he should! :beer:

[Pebbles]

Originally posted by aubrey04


Heya,

Welcome to the boards. :seeya:

I can understand your frustration. And you don't need to apologize for being upset.. this entire case is VERY upsetting.

RE: why has Casey not been charged with murder? IMO, they don't feel that they have enough evidence at this point to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Casey murdered Caylee. Or at least they believe a juror/jury could find reasonable doubt with the evidence thus far.

I think most people who post on here disagree that there isn't sufficient evidence, but the fact remains that LE and the prosecutors office need to make double sure they have all their ducks in a row... because if a jury acquits Casey -- she can not be tried again for murder. I think they are still investigating and gathering evidence..

I think she will be charged with murder, but it might take some time. IMO, LE has enough evidence to get her convicted of child neglect and fraud charges -- which could land her in prison/jail for awhile.. and while she's locked up for those charges.. they can build a case for murder..

IMO. [/*]


Thank you Aubrey. I sure hope what you posted is true. This case is upsetting me so much. Casey will have chance to defend herself, but Caylee never got that chance!javascript:smilie(':rose:')

[lonetraveler]

Originally posted by Pooh

According to the documents, he was cheating and that made Casey mad at him. [/*]

==============================================
I'm beginning to wonder if she was just mad or jealous?

[Chillin]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Wow! Cindy hasn't even tied a yellow ribbon 'round the ol' palm tree! [/*]

No..but she tied one all the way around her front yard complete with no treasspassing signs.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by LeslieK


A bond is a private contract negotiated between two or mroe parties, with conditions and responsibilities. Guilt or innocence doesn't enter into it. In most states, a bondsman can revoke a bond anytime he feels his risk has gone beyond what he is willing or able to tolerate. Padilla stated several times that he was concerned about security, not just for the family, but for his people as well. In addition to that, before the bond was approved, he made many PUBLIC statements that the Anthonys surely heard that he was doing so in order to facilitate finding Caylee. The Anthonys rather conned him into financing this bond. They thought that they could use him. WHen he got into the situation, he must have realized what sickness and deviance he was dealing with and decided to cut his losses. He has to right to offer, refuse and revoke any bond he chooses. Refusal to take a bond, revocation of a bond, and posting a bond has nothing at all to do with whether or not the bondsman thinks the defendant is guilty. It has to do with how much of a risk that defendant poses both financially for the bondsman and the public safety risk. If Leonard Padilla was inclined to refuse a bond to anyone because he judges them to be guilty, he'd have to leave the bonding and bounty hunter business because the truth is that most of the people who are bonded out of jail are guilty and are a danger to society in one way or another. I think he really meant well and wanted to do something that might help find the baby. He tried again and again to try to speak positively about the situation, and frankly, is under no obligation to talk to the press or anyone. He's not the bad guy here. He's like all the others who went into this situation trying to help and ended up feeling dirty for all their good intentions and help. Frankly, he makes a lot more sense than some of the moronic attorneys, scientific experts and pundits. The real problem is casey. You know, murdering someone is a violation of their constititional rights. WHo will speak for Caylee? private contract [/*] :no: [/*]

Thank you for this Leslie, well said.
:beer:

[baywench]

Originally posted by lonetraveler


==============================================
I'm beginning to wonder if she was just mad or jealous? [/*]

Remember this is the gospel according to Casey....large grain of salt imo

[bchand]

Originally posted by LeslieK


A bond is a private contract negotiated between two or mroe parties, with conditions and responsibilities. Guilt or innocence doesn't enter into it. In most states, a bondsman can revoke a bond anytime he feels his risk has gone beyond what he is willing or able to tolerate. Padilla stated several times that he was concerned about security, not just for the family, but for his people as well. In addition to that, before the bond was approved, he made many PUBLIC statements that the Anthonys surely heard that he was doing so in order to facilitate finding Caylee. The Anthonys rather conned him into financing this bond. They thought that they could use him. WHen he got into the situation, he must have realized what sickness and deviance he was dealing with and decided to cut his losses. He has to right to offer, refuse and revoke any bond he chooses. Refusal to take a bond, revocation of a bond, and posting a bond has nothing at all to do with whether or not the bondsman thinks the defendant is guilty. It has to do with how much of a risk that defendant poses both financially for the bondsman and the public safety risk. If Leonard Padilla was inclined to refuse a bond to anyone because he judges them to be guilty, he'd have to leave the bonding and bounty hunter business because the truth is that most of the people who are bonded out of jail are guilty and are a danger to society in one way or another. I think he really meant well and wanted to do something that might help find the baby. He tried again and again to try to speak positively about the situation, and frankly, is under no obligation to talk to the press or anyone. He's not the bad guy here. He's like all the others who went into this situation trying to help and ended up feeling dirty for all their good intentions and help. Frankly, he makes a lot more sense than some of the moronic attorneys, scientific experts and pundits. The real problem is casey. You know, murdering someone is a violation of their constititional rights. WHo will speak for Caylee? private contract [/*] :no: [/*]

Thank you for that very clear explanation LeslieK.

[luvinlife]

I am glad to hear from an expert re: the chloroform expert. We now know it couldn't have come from a chemical reaction in the trunk.
http://www.wesh.com/news/17392699/detail.html

[5boxersmom]

I'm back. Had to fix dinner.

Is she out? I think NG just said so.:confused:

[desmom]

Nancy Grace says there were "significant amounts of choloroform and not traces in the trunk"

[bluwaters]

Originally posted by barskin&co.
I swear, every time I come home from the gym, I find out something wacky happened. So the princess is getting out again.
Time to charge her with murder, already. [/*]

Well, it's all your fault!
You need to stop going to the gym.
That will stop the wackiness.
:cool:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by luvinlife
I am glad to hear from an expert re: the chloroform expert. We now know it couldn't have come from a chemical reaction in the trunk.
http://www.wesh.com/news/17392699/detail.html [/*]

Hey I'm not saying he's wrong, but where does it say "expert"? It said "local chemist". (Devil's advocate :D )

[ellegna]

Originally posted by msgatorslayer
I never realized that Tim had a 9% recovery rate with TES.

So many missing people that are never found.:( [/*]



The 9% is incorrect


Texas Equusearch has conducted more than 400 searches and has safely returned more than 300 missing children, teens and adults to their families. Law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, have credited Equusearch with having perhaps the highest 'find rate' (about 70% - with nearly 85% of these found alive) of any search and rescue organization in our nation. Texas Equusearch has grown from a small horse-mounted team to include hundreds of volunteers with four-wheelers, boats and aircraft. In December 2004, Equusearch founder Tim Miller was awarded President Bush's National Points of Light Award. He has also received a Crime Stoppers Award for public service. The organization dedicates its efforts to the memory of Texas Equusearch Director Tim Miller's sixteen-year-old daughter Laura, who was abducted, raped and brutally murdered in September 1984.

[Chillin]

Posting bond doesnt mean freedom for Casey. It also doesnt mean she will get away with murder.

I personally feel shes better off in jail. I'm thinking if this goes on to long some nut case is liable to go to the Anthonys and something bad could happen.

Its doesn't bother me to much that shes out of jail. I just hope this investigation speeds up and lil Caylee is found and more charges are put out.

[desmom]

Originally posted by 5boxersmom
I'm back. Had to fix dinner.

Is she out? I think NG just said so.:confused: [/*]

http://www.local6.com/index.html is reporting Friday in the red banner at the top of the page.

[anyonesguess]

WTH happened? WHy would some idiot bondsman post her bond again? Are there ANY stipulations like LP gave?

[desmom]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Hey I'm not saying he's wrong, but where does it say "expert"? It said "local chemist". (Devil's advocate :D ) [/*]

http://www.wesh.com/news/17392699/detail.html

"Flowers has testified in state and federal court as an expert....

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by ellegna




The 9% is incorrect


Texas Equusearch has conducted more than 400 searches and has safely returned more than 300 missing children, teens and adults to their families. Law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, have credited Equusearch with having perhaps the highest 'find rate' (about 70% - with nearly 85% of these found alive) of any search and rescue organization in our nation. Texas Equusearch has grown from a small horse-mounted team to include hundreds of volunteers with four-wheelers, boats and aircraft. In December 2004, Equusearch founder Tim Miller was awarded President Bush's National Points of Light Award. He has also received a Crime Stoppers Award for public service. The organization dedicates its efforts to the memory of Texas Equusearch Director Tim Miller's sixteen-year-old daughter Laura, who was abducted, raped and brutally murdered in September 1984. [/*]

:shrug: The 9% was given by Tim today at a NC.

[Lorna]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~
quote:Originally posted by Dragon


So let me get this straight. Tim's daughter is murdered and because Cindy talks bad about him, that's bad?

Cindy's granddaughter has most likely been murdered by her daughter, probably on the verge of a mental breakdown (if not already in one with her delusions), people talk bad about her and it's good?

Not quite sure of the logic behind all of that, but it doesn't sound quite right to me.

(And yes, I'm prepared for the flames I'm going to receive about how Tim is doing good things, etc. I commend him. But what was he doing while his daughter was missing? He was having a nervous breakdown, drinking himself into a stupor and finally hospitalized. So, he wasn't exactly the most put-together person either when he was in the midst of the crisis. Maybe it will take 16 years for Cindy to arrive to a point of being able to handle reality and work towards helping others?) [/*]

_________________________

Best post I've ever seen on this board, at any time!

This truth needed to be said, and the only thing I'll add to this is that maybe it would do well for people to research Tim's daughter's case and see the similarities to Caylee's case in that Tim, too, had a lot of problems, mistrust and disbelief with LE.

So much so in fact, that at one point it is stated that had LE listened to him, his daughter may not have had to die because they had the chance to find her ALIVE.

Good job, Dragon! :rose: [/*]Did you miss the part where Tim went and tried over and over to get LE to help and was met with lack of interest?

Show me where LE has shown any lack of interest in the Anthony case. Tim actually found his own daughter if you want to get down to facts. Had he not read about the remains of the girls that were found and his wife not called and told LE that their daughter might be one of those girls, she probably wouldn't have even been identified.

No wonder he felt that way! With good reason. Cindy Anthony cannot say the same. She has not been met with lack of interest in her case.

Two entirely different scenarios and you know it. Shameful!

[5boxersmom]

Thanks everyone for answering.

NG made it sound like she was already out.

:confused:

[bchand]

Originally posted by steffaroob4
I have been hott all week with my predictions, tomorrow I predict...
another huge document drop from LE, call it a welcome home present from the good ole' boys in the white hats.:read: [/*]

I hope you're right steff !

[ellegna]

Originally posted by Little Bitty
Nancy Grace! Finally...

Casey makes bail. Makes it sound like she walked out tonite?
Chloroform in the car trunk.
Casey's computer reveals multiple searches for chloroform.
Cindy Anthony on the attack...including directing fire at Tim Miller.
Volunteers searching high and low for Caylee.
Cindy and George hire Najame...why? Nance wonders.
Cindy thinks Caylee could be in Texas Mexico or Puerto Rico.
Two local bond companies combine to post her bail.
Casey to be released within hours.

The above is posted for those who can't watch the show.

We all know Cindy is watching right along with us...which is surreal in and of itself. [/*]

Why doesn't someone in that family muzzle Cindy :cuss:

[LeslieK]

Originally posted by Chillin
Posting bond doesnt mean freedom for Casey. It also doesnt mean she will get away with murder.

I personally feel shes better off in jail. I'm thinking if this goes on to long some nut case is liable to go to the Anthonys and something bad could happen.

Its doesn't bother me to much that shes out of jail. I just hope this investigation speeds up and lil Caylee is found and more charges are put out. [/*]

I agree. I have no idea why the family wants her out. She's safer there and they're safer with her in jail.

[AMS]

NG - A PR firm wrote a press release full of grammatical errors saying Casey's constitutional rights have been violated????

Somebody needs to go back to English grammar in the 6th grade...

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by IdolHands
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by SavannahStar


Actually that's a very well stated post though I don't share your opinion.

I would say there is perhaps a difference between defending behavior and understanding it. For understanding does NOT mean condoning. I don't condone or defend Cindy's behavior but I understand that people can act completely and totally irrational in the fact of a completely and totally irrational life event that smacked them in the head out of nowhere. I forget Dragon's exact words, which were so eloquent, but something like she has lost this child she loved SO much, and overwhelming evidence is pointing to the fact that another loved family member caused it. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. And no, I don't think they 'brought it all on themselves.' What malarky. Even IF they were such "enablers", good GRIEF, did anyone expect that their child would murder their grandchild? OMG, "there but for the grace of God......." I am so touched by anyone who has compassion for EVERYONE involved in this tragedy!

I applaud you for praying for them all, even Casey. [/*]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



I so appreciate your insights, along with your totally rational and kind-hearted approach.
;) Savannah. [/*]

Thank you so much! That means a lot to me, sincerely!

[Joan Weiss]

Lol, Nancy is the spelling police. :D

[Albini]

Originally posted by Little Bitty
Nancy Grace! Finally...

Casey makes bail. Makes it sound like she walked out tonite?
Chloroform in the car trunk.
Casey's computer reveals multiple searches for chloroform.
Cindy Anthony on the attack...including directing fire at Tim Miller.
Volunteers searching high and low for Caylee.
Cindy and George hire Najame...why? Nance wonders.
Cindy thinks Caylee could be in Texas Mexico or Puerto Rico.
Two local bond companies combine to post her bail.
Casey to be released within hours.

The above is posted for those who can't watch the show.

We all know Cindy is watching right along with us...which is surreal in and of itself. [/*]

Thanks for the run down. I dont get NG, so I have to live vicariously through you who are good enough to post the info!!:)

[impartial]

Originally posted by ellegna




The 9% is incorrect


Texas Equusearch has conducted more than 400 searches and has safely returned more than 300 missing children, teens and adults to their families. Law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, have credited Equusearch with having perhaps the highest 'find rate' (about 70% - with nearly 85% of these found alive) of any search and rescue organization in our nation. Texas Equusearch has grown from a small horse-mounted team to include hundreds of volunteers with four-wheelers, boats and aircraft. In December 2004, Equusearch founder Tim Miller was awarded President Bush's National Points of Light Award. He has also received a Crime Stoppers Award for public service. The organization dedicates its efforts to the memory of Texas Equusearch Director Tim Miller's sixteen-year-old daughter Laura, who was abducted, raped and brutally murdered in September 1984. [/*]


Tim said today in his interview his success rate in finding human remains is about 9%.

IMO

[anyonesguess]

Originally posted by Little Bitty
Nancy Grace! Finally...

Casey makes bail. Makes it sound like she walked out tonite?
Chloroform in the car trunk.
Casey's computer reveals multiple searches for chloroform.
Cindy Anthony on the attack...including directing fire at Tim Miller.
Volunteers searching high and low for Caylee.
Cindy and George hire Najame...why? Nance wonders.
Cindy thinks Caylee could be in Texas Mexico or Puerto Rico.
Two local bond companies combine to post her bail.
Casey to be released within hours.

The above is posted for those who can't watch the show.

We all know Cindy is watching right along with us...which is surreal in and of itself. [/*]

TY Little Bitty

I hate this, but ya know what? Maybe further charges will be filed soon, and this time NO bond will be posted for the upcoming charges I suspect will be forthcoming imo.

[Joan Weiss]

How's that for the spelling police, lol...

[True2Blues]

Originally posted by desmom


http://www.wesh.com/news/17392699/detail.html

"Flowers has testified in state and federal court as an expert.... [/*]


Thank you.

[Lynn Gweeny]

VIDEO: Another bond posted for Casey Anthony

Leonard Padilla on the phone with reporter discussing the confidentiality of the bond , suggesting that a Tabloid has paid for the bond for 'rights' .... and more

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7362929&version=1&locale=EN-US

[frances1]

Originally posted by Oregongal


Good question, but then I would have to say... why?

:shrug: [/*]


My guess is that part of Casey's plan might have been to do in George and Cindy, too, with the chloroform. Remember she told Amy that they were giving her the house?

[AMS]

Lennie is on NG - Lennie can understand Jose "posturing". About an hour before the bond was posted Lennie received a call asking if he thought Casey was a flight risk. He said no. Nancy said Casey wouldn't be a flight risk because she couldn't even keep a tank of gas....

[anyonesguess]

615 area code is TENNESSEE

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by ellegna


Why doesn't someone in that family muzzle Cindy :cuss: [/*]

She, is making this out to be what it is. If she would have stopped commenting weeks ago...

Ever watch the Dave Chappell show? I've been thinking alot about his 'wrap it up' box lately. Cindy needs one. Badly!!!

[AMS]

The call Lennie received was from the Nashville area code. Lennie thinks it is a production company who is putting up a bond in exchange for book and movie deals.

[bchand]

Ut oh, Lenny's jealous. He thinks it's a production company behind this new bail and they're going to profit from this with a book or movie deal.

As if that isn't what Lenny had in mind originally.

[Joan Weiss]

615 area code is Nashville. Padilla talking about book and movie deals. :confused:

[sachae]

Originally posted by tashi


thanks Riley..I was sitting over at the other thread so depressed I didn't realize it was closed until I tried to post. I really can't believe Casey's getting out again. :( The circus is going to be even bigger this time [/*]

I am here looking at all the postings to get up-dated as to what happened after I went to visit my husband in the hospital, as he has Terminal Cancer of the Brain and Lungs, and has fought so hard to be able to over-come this terrible Disease, and having to listen to or read how some people can defend what to most of us look like a Slam Dunk!' is rather sad when my husband is fighting for his life, and he was a very good person, I know you just have my word for it, but he is, and will always be be "My Best Friend!

Your Fellow Canadian: ;)

[baywench]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


Then blame the Judge, because it was he who granted Casey Bond eligibility. :) [/*]

So if we start blaming the judge will start sticking up for him? GMAB...blame anyone but Casey I guess. Here's hoping the new bond poster can live with himself for what he has done in the name of civil rights.

[ellegna]

Originally posted by impartial



Tim said today in his interview his success rate in finding human remains is about 9%.

IMO [/*]

Sorry. Didn't hear about the human remains. ::blushing::

[Lorna]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


I think you totally missed the point of Dragon's post, which BTW, was very eloquently stated with factual comparisons to Tim and Cindy's situations.

Tim went through his very own hell.

So, now, is Cindy.

The point to Dragon's post is that you're attempting to compare Tim's composure NOW , and expect that same composure from Cindy - both having lost children/grandchildren.

It isn't at all a fair comparison unless you go back in Tim's life (as Dragon did), to the days when Tim drank himself into oblivion, lost his marriage, etc., lost his former life, for that matter, over the loss of his daughter.

Tim has made this NO SECRET in his life, and maybe he exposes it for the offering of lessons learned - of course only for those willing to learn the lesson and NOT JUDGE a family who has just freshly lost their child. [/*]I believe she did go back into that part of Tim's life.

However, even through his grief, he sought out help from LE. He didn't have the opportunities that Cindy Anthony has to get the word out about Laura. Did you miss that somewhere along the way?

No Nancy Grace, no Today Show, no People magazine for Laura Miller. Just a mother and father searching for their daughter.

No comparison whatsoever. You know it, I know it, the OP knew it and I dare to say that most people with two eyes can see it.

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by frances1



My guess is that part of Casey's plan might have been to do in George and Cindy, too, with the chloroform. Remember she told Amy that they were giving her the house? [/*]

I wouldn't put it past her. She must have known she was running outta time holding Cindy at bay over Caylee.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
VIDEO: Another bond posted for Casey Anthony

Leonard Padilla on the phone with reporter discussing the confidentiality of the bond , suggesting that a Tabloid has paid for the bond for 'rights' .... and more
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7362929&version=1&locale=EN-US [/*]

LOL. I think this is the one time I actually believe Leonard Padilla and it makes complete sense that a tabloid paper would bail her out for rights to a story.

Thanks for the link.

[Joan Weiss]

Originally posted by bchand
Ut oh, Lenny's jealous. He thinks it's a production company behind this new bail and they're going to profit from this with a book or movie deal.

As if that isn't what Lenny had in mind originally. [/*]Do you have a basis for that remark?

[bchand]

Originally posted by anyonesguess
615 area code is TENNESSEE [/*]

That young poster on myspace with all the audio msgs is from TENN but I'm sure it's not her. lol
She'll be ranting about this for sure tonight.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by anyonesguess
615 area code is TENNESSEE [/*]

A production co. could be behind this for book, movie etc rights.
:eek:

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by sachae


I am here looking at all the postings to get up-dated as to what happened after I went to visit my husband in the hospital, as he has Terminal Cancer of the Brain and Lungs, and has fought so hard to be able to over-come this terrible Disease, and having to listen to or read how some people can defend what to most of us look like a Slam Dunk!' is rather sad when my husband is fighting for his life, and he was a very good person, I know you just have my word for it, but he is, and will always be be "My Best Friend!

Your Fellow Canadian: ;) [/*]

for you and hubby {{{HUG}}}

:rose:

[bchand]

Originally posted by Joan Weiss
Do you have a basis for that remark? [/*]

Which remark? What Lenny surmises? or What I surmised?

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by WickedRent
OT - why does LP wear a cowboy hat indoors? Isn't that considered disrespectful? [/*]

He wouldn't do that in my Nan's house.:o

I so hope that Caylee is found soon.

[AMS]

Kobie - there are a number of uses for chloroform and you can buy it if you have a legit use for it.

Mike Brooks - heard Casey went to web sites to look up chloroform and how to use it. He said could probably go to college or high school lab and get chloroform there.

NG said FBI reports SIGNIFICANT amounts of chloroform found in car.

[MichelleP]

Originally posted by ?WudScoobyDo


Yet.. she hasn't been charged with the murder of Caylee. [/*]

Because they don't know she was murdered because they don't have a body. No body, no cause of death, although there are some speculations, but that's it. Maybe they want to find the body to prove how she died. To see if it was an accident or not.

Of course the above is just all my opinion, but it's still probably something the jury is going to want to know.

[n/t]

Originally posted by AMS
Lennie is on NG - Lennie can understand Jose "posturing". About an hour before the bond was posted Lennie received a call asking if he thought Casey was a flight risk. He said no. Nancy said Casey wouldn't be a flight risk because she couldn't even keep a tank of gas.... [/*]

Did I tell you how much I love Nancy. :D

[kellabeck]

WHY does anyone apart from CA and GA and LA want this waste of human protoplasm out among us again??

Why have they hired a criminal lawyer?

Cindy criticizes Tim Miller and Lenny Padilla--- She's BLAMING them!

Oh, dear God, let someone please find this poor baby's body and end this nightmare!!

[jammies]

Originally posted by jennyanydots
People like this chase everyone they know and love away. I've a few that are in my family; well by documents only. :shrug: I needed to go 3 thousand miles away; sometimes it's still not far enough for me. hammer [/*]



Seems every family has at least one. I have a few in my own family as well as hubby's.

[trich]

Give em hell Nancy!!!

[Oregongal]

Dang these defense lawyers...I swore I wasn't gonna yell at my tv tonight, broke my promise to myself.
hammer

[n/t]

Originally posted by Little Bitty
Padilla is on. Padilla says that he doesn't think Casey is a flight risk. Nancy wonders why Padilla is being so mysterious...about the anonymous benefactor. Padilla spoke to him on the phone and said that the person called him about Casey called out of a 615 area code. Padilla thinks that the bonders are a production company that wants a book or movie deal. Nancy said 615 area code is out of Nashville. The same location that the PR statement on behalf of Baez, the statement with all the grammatical and spelling errors.
Nancy said that chloroform was banned back in 1978/1979 by the FDA for personal use.
Stupid expert from the last two nights is on. Mentions photography as a use for it. I swear this guy has completely been consulting with Baez. We all know Casey takes photos. That picture taking was a hobby. That much is not in dispute. Can't believe Nancy slipped on that. [/*]

I believe jennyanydots mentioned photography right here on this board.

[Joan Weiss]

Originally posted by sachae


I am here looking at all the postings to get up-dated as to what happened after I went to visit my husband in the hospital, as he has Terminal Cancer of the Brain and Lungs, and has fought so hard to be able to over-come this terrible Disease, and having to listen to or read how some people can defend what to most of us look like a Slam Dunk!' is rather sad when my husband is fighting for his life, and he was a very good person, I know you just have my word for it, but he is, and will always be be "My Best Friend!

Your Fellow Canadian: ;) [/*]You and your best friend are in my prayers. :rose:

Hard to believe Casey is going to be free, and your husband is not.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by n/t


Did I tell you how much I love Nancy. :D [/*]

Me too n/t.
Go Nancy!!!
:patriot:

[Amy]

Originally posted by LeslieK


I agree. I have no idea why the family wants her out. She's safer there and they're safer with her in jail. [/*]

Supposedly she isn't a flight risk. I'm not sure about that. As ferocious as Cindy is in defending her, I wouldn't put it past them to hike on out of town some dark moonless night.

They, or Casey still thinks Caylee is in TX, Mexico or Puerto Rico? Wonder if they would pack up and go to those places to look for Caylee, to prove their point that she is still alive?

[frances1]

Originally posted by sassypantsOK
I know I have said this before, but I think Casey is involved in a lot more than we are being told right now. I think that LE has a plan and they are doing exactly what they feel they have to right now to make it work. (I am not saying I agree with it BTW)Unfortunately, Caylee is the victim here and she is the one that is (has suffered) the most. I think Casey is involved in a serious drug ring there in Florida. I think LE has determined that if they give Casey enough rope she will not only hang herself but also possibly bring down others with her. I think a lot of the “code” talk between her and her brother was in relation to this. Unfortunately no one knows exactly what he or she meant by any of it. I believe the evidence speaks for itself and Caylee is no longer alive. I also believe that when Casey said “They are going to pin this on me” she wasn’t talking about LE. I think only time will tell what really is going on & the Boyfriend is more involved than what we know now also. I have posted some of the research I have done below, I know it is crazy, but I thought I HAD to post it. This is JMO.
Common emotional signs of cocaine addiction include but are not limited to:
· Change in eating or sleeping patterns
· Change in groups of friends
· Change in school grades or behavior
· Withdrawn, depressed, tired, or careless about personal appearance
· Loss of interest in school, family, or activities
· Frequently in need of money
· Unusual energy followed by excessive sleeping
· Depression
· Irritability
· Erratic behavior
· Isolation
· Strained relationships
· Missed work
· Increased time away from family
· Stealing/Lying/Financial problems
· Thoughts of suicide
· Paranoia
· Auditory hallucinations
· Talking rapidly
http://www.addictionca.com/signs-of-cocaine-use.htm
How to clean up cut cocaine with chloroform….
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=193299 [/*]


Sassy, VERY interesting. (BTW, I'm in Tulsa)

[kellabeck]

MichelleP--- Finding the body may not prove the COD. And knowing the COD may not prove accident or murder. For example-- if it were true Caylee was drowned-- does that prove it was an accident or deliberate??

The facts are most likely going to be inferred from the totality of the circumstances.

[dtviewer]

Originally posted by ~DaddysGirl~


Oh, and that, too, is Cindy's fault?

Because Casey chose not to speak to Padilla, or share any information on where he might find her, that's somehow Cindy's fault too, right?

And people here talk about "blame everyone but Casey!" - you're only adding into that by blaming Cindy for what Casey has done, or not done in the way of cooperation. [/*]


Yes, Cindy absolutely is at fault for some of this. There isnt a 'only one person can be blamed' rule.

Cindy claims to want to find a live Caylee. She had Padilla sitting out in her driveway pining to get involved in the search. She choose not to utilize him. Just because casey didnt help doesnt mean Cindy couldnt have went to Padilla and coordinated some kind of search.
Are you forgetting that Cindy says she gets calls everyday from people who have seen Caylee alive? You dont think she could have asked Padilla to look into some of those sightings?
Or that george said they know who had Caylee and they were being watched? GMAB....

There is one reason and one reason only Cindy does not want Caylee found. Because she has known from shortly after the 3rd 911 call that Casey did something to Caylee and if her remains are found it will only solidify the case against Casey.

[n/t]

Originally posted by AMS
Kobie - there are a number of uses for chloroform and you can buy it if you have a legit use for it.

Mike Brooks - heard Casey went to web sites to look up chloroform and how to use it. He said could probably go to college or high school lab and get chloroform there.

NG said FBI reports SIGNIFICANT amounts of chloroform found in car. [/*]


Someone should tell Kobie that Casey had NO legitimate use for it. Unless he can come up with one. Tell him not to give us the photography BS either. :rolleyes:

[Joan Weiss]

Originally posted by Little Bitty
Padilla is on. Padilla says that he doesn't think Casey is a flight risk. Nancy wonders why Padilla is being so mysterious...about the anonymous benefactor. Padilla spoke to him on the phone and said that the person called him about Casey called out of a 615 area code. Padilla thinks that the bonders are a production company that wants a book or movie deal. Nancy said 615 area code is out of Nashville. The same location that the PR statement on behalf of Baez, the statement with all the grammatical and spelling errors.
Nancy said that chloroform was banned back in 1978/1979 by the FDA for personal use.
Stupid expert from the last two nights is on. Mentions photography as a use for it. I swear this guy has completely been consulting with Baez. We all know Casey takes photos. That picture taking was a hobby. That much is not in dispute. Can't believe Nancy slipped on that. [/*]I don't think Casey has a dark room. :rolleyes:

[trich]

I bet whoever posted bond is going for a movie deal.

Somebody has got to foot the bill for this.
Where is Cindy and George getting the money to hire this defense lawyer....most times they want big up front money....I don't for a minute think he is doing it pro bono.

[Oregongal]

Oh sache, so sorry.
My prayers are with you and you husband.
Take care darlin.
:rose:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by WickedRent
OT - why does LP wear a cowboy hat indoors? Isn't that considered disrespectful? [/*]

Not if you're a cowgirl.

[Joan Weiss]

Originally posted by dtviewer



Yes, Cindy absolutely is at fault for some of this. There isnt a 'only one person can be blamed' rule.

Cindy claims to want to find a live Caylee. She had Padilla sitting out in her driveway pining to get involved in the search. She choose not to utilize him. Just because casey didnt help doesnt mean Cindy couldnt have went to Padilla and coordinated some kind of search.
Are you forgetting that Cindy says she gets calls everyday from people who have seen Caylee alive? You dont think she could have asked Padilla to look into some of those sightings?
Or that george said they know who had Caylee and they were being watched? GMAB....

There is one reason and one reason only Cindy does not want Caylee found. Because she has known from shortly after the 3rd 911 call that Casey did something to Caylee and if her remains are found it will only solidify the case against Casey. [/*]Who better to do a live search than a BH? She's a piece of work. imo :rolleyes:

[firefly75]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
VIDEO: Another bond posted for Casey Anthony

Leonard Padilla on the phone with reporter discussing the confidentiality of the bond , suggesting that a Tabloid has paid for the bond for 'rights' .... and more

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7362929&version=1&locale=EN-US [/*]

Has Lenny been saying Lee is the father of Caylee or did that just start today?:confused:

[PpleWatcher]

Something that has caught my eye. They all are saying that it is a LAPTOP of Casey's that they are looking through.... today while looking at some link (I think it was for channel 9 news) they clearly showed a woman taking a CPU out of the house during the story of looking through Casey's computer.

Did anyone else happen to catch that?

[101Spots]

Originally posted by n/t


I believe jennyanydots mentioned photography right here on this board. [/*]

In this day and age, photography - even professional photography - is all done digitally. If Casey is uploading photos to MySpace, she's gone digital. No need and no excuse for any chloroform.

[frances1]

Originally posted by WickedRent
OT - why does LP wear a cowboy hat indoors? Isn't that considered disrespectful? [/*]


Not if you're from Texas or Oklahoma.

[kakax]

Originally posted by kellabeck
MichelleP--- Finding the body may not prove the COD. And knowing the COD may not prove accident or murder. For example-- if it were true Caylee was drowned-- does that prove it was an accident or deliberate??

The facts are most likely going to be inferred from the totality of the circumstances. [/*]


With chloroform entering the picture, it is a little easier to know what may have happened IMO.

[kellabeck]

Book and movie rights?!!!
:eek:

Raise your hand if you would never spend a dime to read anything "written" by any of the following:
1) Cindy Anthony
2) George Anthony
3) Jose Baez
4) Lee Anthony
5) Leonard Padilla

:seeya:

Did I forget anyone??

[bchand]

Originally posted by PpleWatcher
Something that has caught my eye. They all are saying that it is a LAPTOP of Casey's that they are looking through.... today while looking at some link (I think it was for channel 9 news) they clearly showed a woman taking a CPU out of the house during the story of looking through Casey's computer.

Did anyone else happen to catch that? [/*]

IIRC they also took Cindy's computer. That may have been the CPU you saw?

[PpleWatcher]

Originally posted by firefly75


Has Lenny been saying Lee is the father of Caylee or did that just start today?:confused: [/*]
What?! :confused:

[n/t]

Originally posted by house


She will. MOO [/*]

Yup.hammer

[PpleWatcher]

Originally posted by bchand


IIRC they also took Cindy's computer. That may have been the CPU you saw? [/*]
Ok.Ty. :)

[AMS]

Lennie offering $50,000 cash if anyone leads them to Caylee's body. No questions asked. Don't have to provide a name. Needs toknow where body is located.