Did Casey Cause Caylee's Death?

[cloe23]

Can anyone start a poll? I do not know how. I do believe that the child is not with us, but was it only the mother?

[barskin&co.]

Originally posted by cloe23
Can anyone start a poll? I do not know how. I do believe that the child is not with us, but was it only the mother? [/*]

Yes.

[johnielee333]

yes i agree, caylee died at the hands of casey. casey murdererd her. so very sad : (

:rose: :rose: :rose: for Caylee

[Unperson1984]

I concur. Although I'm not sure LE's theory of the crime is correct.

[cloe23]

Originally posted by Unperson1984
I concur. Although I'm not sure LE's theory of the crime is correct. [/*]


ITA IMO she worked alone, the babe is gone and WILL be found.
I have been hoping that some dumb cop was not involved.

So who helped her? Grandparents or lover? Or did she act alone? IMO the younger generation do not keep secrets.
Keeping in mind that that the child's brain dose not mature until the age of 25. JMO
Anyone? I have always thought that there is no such thing as a perfect crime, what make this gal so clever?
Cloe:read: :read:

[luvinlife]

I believe Casey and Casey alone killed Caylee.

IMO it was premeditated or in anger.

[Bird]

Yes.

[cloe23]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by luvinlife
I believe Casey and Casey alone killed Caylee.

IMO it was premeditated or in anger. [/*][/QUOTE

I agree, but I am in question about the cover up part.
She is just a kid, she had to of talked, JMO
I taste a cover up.

[nana2]

first degree capital murder caysee

witness tampering cindy

obstruction of justice cindy and george

moo

[taylor63]

Originally posted by cloe23
Can anyone start a poll? I do not know how. I do believe that the child is not with us, but was it only the mother? [/*]

I believe it was only the mother, I don't think the grandparent's were involved, but I do think it is possible that they are subconciously if not even conciously trying to cover for their daughter now out of fear she will go to prison for life or even get the death penalty. I don't know if the police will ever find the baby because I am afraid the mother might have used the gas can's to burn her body.

[deep*fear]

Originally posted by nana2
first degree capital murder caysee

witness tampering cindy

obstruction of justice cindy and george

moo [/*]

I think so, too. :(

[kellabeck]

IMO, Casey killed Caylee and the motive was spite and selfishness.

[tanata]

Originally posted by cloe23

I have always thought that there is no such thing as a perfect crime, what make this gal so clever?
Cloe:read: :read: [/*]

I don't think it's that she is clever; rather, I think she believes her own lies. She's a sociopath living in a fantasy world. In her mind, she's not guilty of anything.

I think her family is partly to blame, as they seem to be enablers. I hope that as her true colors become more apparent as this case progresses, her family will finally see her for who she really is.

I do think she worked alone. I am not sure how Caylee died, but I think after it happened, her body was put into a dumpster (imo). I recall a conversation from jail between Casey and a friend of hers, and when her friend asked her if she knew where Caylee was, Casey said something to the affect of "I do not know where she is. That is the truth. The absolute truth."

Oh, I think that WAS the truth; probably the one true thing Casey has said during this entire ordeal. And I think that's because she disposed of her daughter's body in a dumpster, and the dumpster had since been emptied by that point, so she honestly didn't know where Caylee was..... now.

This is all speculation on my part. As always, just my opinion.

[Cookies]

Originally posted by cloe23
Can anyone start a poll? I do not know how. I do believe that the child is not with us, but was it only the mother? [/*]YES imo

:rose: ~~~Caylee~~~ :rose:

[joolz]

Originally posted by cloe23


snipped
ITA IMO she worked alone, the babe is gone and WILL be found.
I have been hoping that some dumb cop was not involved.

Cloe:read: :read: [/*]

Huh? Some dumb cop? What are you talking about? There has been absolutely no hint of that anywhere.

[johnielee333]

Originally posted by nana2
first degree capital murder caysee

witness tampering cindy

obstruction of justice cindy and george

moo [/*]

yep,
yep,
& yep.

[johnielee333]

Originally posted by kellabeck
IMO, Casey killed Caylee and the motive was spite and selfishness. [/*]

yep.

[shelbar53]

IMO, I think casey wanted the single life and murdered her child and planned on telling her mom that she was taken but is safe unless someone looks for her...never dreaming in a million years her mom would call the police, cindy never in a million years thought casey would murder caylee called the police then realized casey was responsible so the cover up began...dont know if the cover up included the actual disposal of the body.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Texanne
I think this monster murdred her own child and that the grandparents helped dispose of the body. All should rot in jail if a jury cannot bring itself to give the death penalty. I usually stay away from this subject because I am sick of the way it is being drug out. Is the LE there composed of snails? [/*]

:eek: (re the GPs helping dispose the body)

[HANNAH ROSE]

I believe Caylee is dead. I don't know if I believe it was pre-meditated more than an accident in some fashion. But regardless Casey covered it up.

With the findings of traces of a large amount of cholorform found in the car I wonder if Casey was involved with manufacturing or helping someone manufactur meth. Perhaps Caylee ingested drugs and died and Casey, knowing she'd face jail time for it, got rid of Caylee and made up the story of her abduction.

I don't think the grandparents were in on it otherwise they wouldn't have gotten the police involved in the first place. I think they're flat out in denial just like Lee and Jackie Peterson.

I don't now if she had any help but I doubt it. This is a pretty big thing to cover up and I don't think she had any serious friendships that would warrant this kind of help. She had no money to pay someone and the only people that paid attention to her were men and I don't think an average guy would agree to cover up a baby's death for a once night stand.

I've often read that throughout a string of lies there are some tidbits of truth, it's just a matter of pulling the lies apart to get to the truth.

JMO

[starling]

Casey acted alone
IMO she has(somehow)alluded to her parents,brother & lawyer that the child is long gone to a landfill...Lawyer is telling her to stay rock solid quiet...Family has accepted not retrieving the deceased Caylee,thus saving the living Casey.
The BH played dumb so they let him in the house (inner circle,whatever) a little.
Just enough that he knows now. I thought BH was a crazy media seeker but I think BH found what and why..now he just needs the where.

JMO
Godspeed little Caylee

[DoubleFelix]

Originally posted by HANNAH ROSE
I believe Caylee is dead. I don't know if I believe it was pre-meditated more than an accident in some fashion. But regardless Casey covered it up.

With the findings of traces of a large amount of cholorform found in the car I wonder if Casey was involved with manufacturing or helping someone manufactur meth. Perhaps Caylee ingested drugs and died and Casey, knowing she'd face jail time for it, got rid of Caylee and made up the story of her abduction.

I don't think the grandparents were in on it otherwise they wouldn't have gotten the police involved in the first place. I think they're flat out in denial just like Lee and Jackie Peterson.

I don't now if she had any help but I doubt it. This is a pretty big thing to cover up and I don't think she had any serious friendships that would warrant this kind of help. She had no money to pay someone and the only people that paid attention to her were men and I don't think an average guy would agree to cover up a baby's death for a once night stand.

I've often read that throughout a string of lies there are some tidbits of truth, it's just a matter of pulling the lies apart to get to the truth.

JMO [/*]

This would make her lawyer's requesting immunity make sense, for sure. "Don't penalize me for the drugs, and I'll tell what happened to Caylee."

IMO

[intwowishin]

Sadly I believe Caylee is no longer with us, and I think Casey acted alone.

I think Cindy and George are oblivious to the fact that their daughter is a self absorbed, miserable person who murdered her own beautiful baby to get her own way, which was freedom of responsibility.





:rose: :rose: For Caylee

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by Unperson1984
I concur. Although I'm not sure LE's theory of the crime is correct. [/*]

LE hasen't stated a theory. They haven't ever charged her with murder - yet.

They've said she's lied to them about the missing child and they charged her with child neglect. They said she lied to them and to her parents. But I never heard any theory about a crime other than that.

[aubrey04]

Originally posted by nana2
first degree capital murder caysee

witness tampering cindy

obstruction of justice cindy and george

moo [/*]

Ohhh. I really hope that's how it pans out. That's the way it SHOULD work out. More people need to be charged other than Casey (IE the GPs).

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by nana2
first degree capital murder caysee

witness tampering cindy

obstruction of justice cindy and george

moo [/*]

I agree although I would be surprised if they charged the grandparents. I think they just want Casey on murder #1.

[frances1]

Originally posted by joolz


Huh? Some dumb cop? What are you talking about? There has been absolutely no hint of that anywhere. [/*]


I think it refers to one of Casey's exes. Nothing to tie him to it that I have seen.

[barskin&co.]

Premeditation, under the law, can be just a moment. I say murder.

[johnielee333]

Yes, premeditated murder.

[LeslieK]

Originally posted by Texanne
I think this monster murdred her own child and that the grandparents helped dispose of the body. All should rot in jail if a jury cannot bring itself to give the death penalty. I usually stay away from this subject because I am sick of the way it is being drug out. Is the LE there composed of snails? [/*]

Then why call the police and say the car smelled like there had been a dead body in it? I listened to that call, and I think Cindy is as much a victim of Casey as Caylee was. She just hasn't stopped breathing yet.

[Staceylee]

I think that Casey was alone in this and cannot stand the thought of her parents knowing what she did so she will never admit to this. The parents cannot stand the thought that she could have done such a thing so they will continue on in denial. All the while hoping and praying that they will find her alive and her prayers will be answered. I do however think that Cindy is worried and that it is her fear that Casey may have been involved (although she will never admit it publicly). I think it is very possible that she washed the jeans from the trunk and possibly cleaned the trunk to try and get rid of evidence that could damage her daughter's defense should she need one. I think she may feel that it is very possible that she has already lost her granddaughter and that she cannot lose her daughter as well. JMO

[oxfordfox]

I believe Casey acted alone. The mother Cindy never would have blurted out about the car smelling like a dead body if she had herself been involved. She sounded very indignant when she said it. I think it was the only true thing that has come from her mouth. Everything else from her has been coverup, an attempt to harrass, confound and confuse anyone seeking the truth.

[HANNAH ROSE]

I think once Cindy realized that Caylee was indeed missing, she went into panic mode to protect her daughter. Had she known anything at all she never would have said anything about the car smelling like decomposition.

I guess I can't blame someone for trying to protect someone they love but the evidence speaks for itself. Every time I see her on tv I'm disgusted by her desperate attempts to explain things away when the obvious truth is that her granddaughter is dead. She's not even trying to put the blame on someone else, she's just pushing and pushing that Caylee is still alive somewhere when it's painfully clear to everyone else that sadly this is not the case.

My feeling is that even when Caylee is found Cindy will still defend her daughter. It's obvious that that's her deep down desire and she'll fight tooth and nail to try to prove Casey's innocence until the day she dies.

Again I say she needs to call Jackie Peterson and have a pity party over their narcissistic, cold-blooded, murdering children.

JMO.

[crstna1970]

MURDER 1.

[ALL RISE]

Originally posted by HANNAH ROSE
I believe Caylee is dead. I don't know if I believe it was pre-meditated more than an accident in some fashion. But regardless Casey covered it up.

With the findings of traces of a large amount of cholorform found in the car I wonder if Casey was involved with manufacturing or helping someone manufactur meth. Perhaps Caylee ingested drugs and died and Casey, knowing she'd face jail time for it, got rid of Caylee and made up the story of her abduction.

I don't think the grandparents were in on it otherwise they wouldn't have gotten the police involved in the first place. I think they're flat out in denial just like Lee and Jackie Peterson.

I don't now if she had any help but I doubt it. This is a pretty big thing to cover up and I don't think she had any serious friendships that would warrant this kind of help. She had no money to pay someone and the only people that paid attention to her were men and I don't think an average guy would agree to cover up a baby's death for a once night stand.

I've often read that throughout a string of lies there are some tidbits of truth, it's just a matter of pulling the lies apart to get to the truth.

JMO [/*]

Is choloform in Meth?

I'm believing that Casey used the choloform as a 'party drug' to put Caylee to sleep so she could party party party..and inasmuch as this drug (is not only illegal since the 70's) but impossible to measure..Caylee inhaled too much...thus death...if Casey put Caylee in the car seat in her car, authorities certainly would have caught her; thus the sociopath being smarter than the authorities, put her daughter in the trunk...that is just lower than low...

we saw it */4 in the murder trial of the daycare worker using benedryl....on the infant....that drug wasn't strong enough....for Casey...and two computer searches on Casey's computer re cholorform ....

[HANNAH ROSE]

Originally posted by ALL RISE


Is choloform in Meth?

I'm believing that Casey used the choloform as a 'party drug' to put Caylee to sleep so she could party party party..and inasmuch as this drug (is not only illegal since the 70's) but impossible to measure..Caylee inhaled too much...thus death...we saw it */4 in the murder trial of the daycare worker with the benedryl....that drug wasn't strong enough....and two computer searches on Casey's computer re this drug... [/*]

I believe I read that chloroform is used to make meth. I could be wrong if someone wants to correct me..

[ALL RISE]

Originally posted by HANNAH ROSE


I believe I read that chloroform is used to make meth. I could be wrong if someone wants to correct me.. [/*]

Thanks anyway!

[ALL RISE]

If a parent used an illegal drug (choloform) to put their child to sleep; in a trunk; is that accidental (in the worst degree!)?

[Raven]

Originally posted by barskin&co.
Premeditation, under the law, can be just a moment. I say murder. [/*]

ITA!!! Who drives around with chloroform on their person? Pre~meditated and first degree murder.....this IS Florida and they do have the death penalty and only what....6.....on a jury?

[shellzbi]

Originally posted by barskin&co.
Premeditation, under the law, can be just a moment. I say murder. [/*]

I'm with you Bar.

[kitty1182]

Originally posted by INCNTUTLPRVN
Premeditated. [/*]

Same here!!:mad:

[Noahs ARK]

Originally posted by INCNTUTLPRVN
Premeditated. [/*]

Yep!

[shellzbi]

Casey, is the only person in my mind that could have caused the demise of her child.

She is the last person of record to have had her little girl.

[marabeth]

I believe Casey killed Caylee alone..I do not know if it was because of gross neglect , dangerous conduct,or murder.
I am waiting on confirmation of the chloraform..It is dangerous method to keep a child asleep so Casey's party may continue.
My opinion only

[i4doors]

i believe that casey acted alone...:flamemad:

[why-me]

Hello all I am new to posting however I have been lurking for some time. Each and everyone of you are awesome. I have laughed, cried and at times, just plain cracked up. Hard keeping up sometimes but I try.

Have you ever seen such a love hate relationship between two people. I am still trying to figure out who is more scared of the other....Casey or Cindy.:seeya:

[crimeq]

Originally posted by why-me
Hello all I am new to posting however I have been lurking for some time. Each and everyone of you are awesome. I have laughed, cried and at times, just plain cracked up. Hard keeping up sometimes but I try.

Have you ever seen such a love hate relationship between two people. I am still trying to figure out who is more scared of the other....Casey or Cindy.:seeya: [/*]

That's their normal life-long relationship, for them. It would drive you or me crazy but to them, it's just business as usual. The entire family dynamic is way off and what you're seeing is simply how they have lived together every day.

I have no compassion for Casey but she did grow into what she became in the environment that she lived in, with these other people, her family members. Casey's behavior would not be a surprise to Cindy, but a natural outcome of how they all interacted together all the time. And remember that in a family, a mother is the mother, the child is the child--lots of this stuff came to Casey from Cindy. MO.

[nibblet]

Originally posted by kellabeck
IMO, Casey killed Caylee and the motive was spite and selfishness. [/*]

I agree. Something had been building in her and poor little Caylee became her victim.

[johnielee333]

Originally posted by TREE TREE
Casey acted alone

Caylee`s body will not be found, a dumpster took her away

Grand Jury will Indict Casey for Capitol Murder

She will plead guilty to avoid trial and Death
Penalty

Casey will spend the rest of her life in prison no possibility of parole [/*]

i hope youre right about everything you wrote except caylee's body not being found.

[smhustoiii]

I believe Caylee is dead and Casey is responsible. I also feel the grandparents have helped to cover up the evidence and obstruct justice!!!

[deep*fear]

Originally posted by cloe23
Can anyone start a poll? I do not know how. I do believe that the child is not with us, but was it only the mother? [/*]

I see there's no poll, you don't have the options you want posted.
To post a poll just post a new thread and under the typing box there's a spot to choose poll and how many options you want. (I am guessing the page following will allow input of choices)

[HANNAH ROSE]

Originally posted by ALL RISE


Is choloform in Meth?

I'm believing that Casey used the choloform as a 'party drug' to put Caylee to sleep so she could party party party..and inasmuch as this drug (is not only illegal since the 70's) but impossible to measure..Caylee inhaled too much...thus death...if Casey put Caylee in the car seat in her car, authorities certainly would have caught her; thus the sociopath being smarter than the authorities, put her daughter in the trunk...that is just lower than low...

we saw it */4 in the murder trial of the daycare worker using benedryl....on the infant....that drug wasn't strong enough....for Casey...and two computer searches on Casey's computer re cholorform .... [/*]

I couldn't find the WESH 2 article but I found this:

http://www.citizensagainstmeth.org/meth_ingredients.html

It indicates that chloroform is an ingredient in meth. It may be used to balance out the "high" by being a depressant.

[Joel Kagan]

We don't know anything. :shrug:

[starling]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae
:seeya:

What I don't get are the people who are seemingly on "Casey's side".

Her parents are adamant Caylee was kidnapped.
Period.

Then there is the infamous BH, L.P.
He assisted in bonding Casey out because he was sure she couldn't kill/harm her daughter.
He felt that way for a while, before seemingly coming to his senses.

Then there is Tim from TES. He flipped-flopped night before last on NG.
It looked like C&G (just about) had him convinced of Casey's stories.

Then there's Baez who apparently fell for Casey's stories hook, line and sinker..

Could we all be wrong about Casey?
What is it we don't see (not even for a minute) that the rest of "them" do?

I would be tickled to death if Caylee was taken and is alive and well.....as would most of us here..

With the forensic evidence (apparently) looking so bad for the safe return of Caylee....what are we to believe?

Can we believe anything else than what most of us feel??

Am I on the fence?
No.
I believe Caylee died at the hands of her mother. [/*]

The things Baez is floating( just wait,can't tell,it'll make sense in the end, not going to show our hand 'til trial) is cow manure IMO
Casey lied before the murder,after the murder & is still lying.
I can see a defense lawyer bringing out the ol' smoke & mirrors.
But anyone else? One wonders how they sleep at night.
It's like killing the victim twice I always say. JMO

[CuriousJ]

Originally posted by Texanne
I think this monster murdred her own child and that the grandparents helped dispose of the body. All should rot in jail if a jury cannot bring itself to give the death penalty. I usually stay away from this subject because I am sick of the way it is being drug out. Is the LE there composed of snails? [/*]

I agree with your theory, except I think only GA actually helped her dispose of poor Caylee's body (after finding it in Casey's trunk). After Cindy freaked out and called 9-1-1 and reported the "dead body smell" in the car, GA had to act fast so he took CA aside, told her Casey had accidentally killed Caylee and that they all had to come together as a family to save Casey. So this is why CA has gone off the deep end - she is in a desperate fight to save not only her daughter but her husband, too.

This theory also explains why Casey "absolutely" does not know where Caylee is. Because GA disposed of her body.

IMO, they should all rot in jail. Oh, and one more thing, I don't believe Caylee's death was an accident. And GA probably knows this, too.

This is ALL IMO, of course. And I hope I'm wrong and that Caylee is playing on a beach somewhere with Zenaida and Sam and that they all live happily ever after.

[tootie]

Premeditated. Because she is a self-centered.......

[MixMami]

When this case first started, I thought it was an accident but now I'm thinking premeditated.

[ALL RISE]

Originally posted by Aame
Probably good that we are not in the jury pool. :D cuz' I'm thinkin just like all of you.

UNLESS NOW------------------she 'accidently' put the chloroform on something that 'accidently' got to close to the childs face, after she 'accidently' put her in the 'trunk' and then 'accidently' forgot to take her out.

With all of the other 'ly' words she has used in everything we've heard her say thus far, via phone conversations, nothing they (entire family) say is beyond me.

Does anyone know what happened to Lee, the brother? I've lost track of him. Oh, maybe he's the ones following the leads in Texas, Mexico, and Puerto Rico. Or maybe he fled the country to disassociate with the likes of what he left in FL.

All JMO [/*]
so Casey could carry on with her partying nature, and Caylee, when Casey would be done with her partying, would reawake all fresh and full of life...but not what happened...thats why I asked if that kind of death would be considered accidental...having used illegal substance....not being licensed to administer or to have even in Casey's possession...and even if Casey put the child in the trunk to hide the child inquiring eyes inside of in the car; that would give Casey away...whoops...theres another probable cause of death...putting a child in a trunk...the child could of suffocated....obviously Casey put the child in the trunk cause there is notable choloform...tisk tisk....guilty of some kind of death...what I'm not sure...not enough evidence...yet.

[ALL RISE]

Originally posted by ALL RISE

so Casey could carry on with her partying nature, and Caylee, when Casey would be done with her partying, would reawake all fresh and full of life...but not what happened...thats why I asked if that kind of death would be considered accidental...having used illegal substance....not being licensed to administer or to have even in Casey's possession...and even if Casey put the child in the trunk to hide the child inquiring eyes inside of in the car; that would give Casey away...whoops...theres another probable cause of death...putting a child in a trunk...the child could of suffocated....obviously Casey put the child in the trunk cause there is notable choloform...tisk tisk....guilty of some kind of death...what I'm not sure...not enough evidence...yet. [/*]

And besides....how do any of you know (beyond reasonable doubt like re the jury decision) that it was Casey and not someone else who put Caylee in that trunk.

I rest my case.

[taylor63]

Originally posted by RedRedWine
Based what you know about this case, what is your opinion? [/*]

Yes,and for a while I thought Caylee's death, was highly likely an accident,but after hearing of how Casey searched her computer for info on chloroform,I now believed she murdered the baby.

[ALL RISE]

Originally posted by taylor63


Yes,and for a while I thought Caylee's death, was highly likely an accident,but after hearing of how Casey searched her computer for info on chloroform,I now believed she murdered the baby. [/*]

Just preliminary thoughts here. Betting Benedryl didn't and wouldn't work for the narcistic mother...a total inconvenience to have to go and keep checking on the little girl who if awake might have made all kinds of noise in the trunk...alerting the world she was there....something more potent...powerful....even thinking Casey's imaginary three initialed babysitter was the chloroform...did she find it on the internet...we only know the sites she went to...re the chloroform...now....Casey made a mistake...a big mistake...the last time she gave it Caylee...but prosecutors have to put the drug in her hand...beyond a reasonable doubt that Casey put the little girl and the illegal substance in the trunk...and at this point hopefully the prosecutors are awaiting more valuable evidence. This is just a hunch on my part....and we have to wonder what makes people thick that would put up a half a million dollars so Casey could see the light of day......its not right....barf

[ALL RISE]

Originally posted by ALL RISE


Just preliminary thoughts here. Betting Benedryl didn't and wouldn't work for the narcistic mother...a total inconvenience to have to go and keep checking on the little girl who if awake might have made all kinds of noise in the trunk...alerting the world she was there....something more potent...powerful....even thinking Casey's imaginary three initialed babysitter was the chloroform...did she find it on the internet...we only know the sites she went to...re the chloroform...now....Casey made a mistake...a big mistake...the last time she gave it Caylee...but prosecutors have to put the drug in her hand...beyond a reasonable doubt that Casey put the little girl and the illegal substance in the trunk...and at this point hopefully the prosecutors are awaiting more valuable evidence. This is just a hunch on my part....and we have to wonder what makes people think that would put up a half a million dollars so Casey could see the light of day......its not right....barf [/*]
I'm sorry, but that falls under 'accidental'. I'd be ever so thankfully grateful to a creative prosecutor to see just how they could trump those charges up to premediated....anxiously waiting!

[farrahrani]

I was on the 'accidental' bandwagon until the chloroform info came out. Once I started hitting chloroform info sites, it's like my heart stopped. Every single one of them warn about the dangers of it. Casey could have used anything that would have been easier, cheaper, safer, but chose this. Between that and the coverup, plus being unable to find that little girl's remains, I'm now convinced of it being premeditated. :(

[ALL RISE]

Originally posted by farrahrani
I was on the 'accidental' bandwagon until the chloroform info came out. Once I started hitting chloroform info sites, it's like my heart stopped. Every single one of them warn about the dangers of it. Casey could have used anything that would have been easier, cheaper, safer, but chose this. Between that and the coverup, plus being unable to find that little girl's remains, I'm now convinced of it being premeditated. :( [/*]

If it was premediated, I think there are a zillion other places than Casey's abandoned car trunk and the backyard Casey could have put a deceased Caylee...then, I guess, she was success in that aspect as no one knows where literally Caylee is?!

Dr. Kobulinski...if I got this right....indicated there was a possibility that whoever used gasoline and the chloroform could get rid of forensic evidence in the trunk...but Dr. K didn't go into a lot of detail there.

Information, I heard on several networks, indicate authorities are going now on the 'party' theory.

I sadly think Casey is ignorant, naive, and narcistic enough to believe that no harm would come to Caylee in that trunk with that illegal substance. No wonder she is no longer the vivacious smiling woman in the pix with her precious daughter..given she opened that trunk and found the unexpected.

[bettyb]

Well, if it was an 'accident', then would not a woman who cared at all about her child shown some remorse upon learning of that child's death??? NO! The one and only, thank God, Ms. Casey Anthony went out celebrating the fact that her little daughter was DEAD! This woman is one for the record books. She is most certainly a murderer! If she doesn't get put behind bars again, soon, when she leaves that house (and she has to sooner or later), someone will probably attempt to eliminate her..although, OJ Simpson still walks the Earth..so I could be wrong..:flamemad:

[Magnum357]

Originally posted by ALL RISE


And besides....how do any of you know (beyond reasonable doubt like re the jury decision) that it was Casey and not someone else who put Caylee in that trunk.

I rest my case. [/*]


Because Casey was in possession of the car and of Caylee and no one has stated anything to the contrary.

I rest my case.

[ellegna]

No remorse
No guilt
No anxiety
No panic
No consciousness
No tears
No cooperation

NO ACCIDENT :flamemad:

[Marianne]

Originally posted by Aame
Probably good that we are not in the jury pool. :D cuz' I'm thinkin just like all of you.

UNLESS NOW------------------she 'accidently' put the chloroform on something that 'accidently' got to close to the childs face, after she 'accidently' put her in the 'trunk' and then 'accidently' forgot to take her out.

With all of the other 'ly' words she has used in everything we've heard her say thus far, via phone conversations, nothing they (entire family) say is beyond me.

Does anyone know what happened to Lee, the brother? I've lost track of him. Oh, maybe he's the ones following the leads in Texas, Mexico, and Puerto Rico. Or maybe he fled the country to disassociate with the likes of what he left in FL.

All JMO [/*]


I say premedatated.

No one innocently goes on the net to find chloroform...and if she needed it to clean with then she covering up the body.anyways which wasnt too smart. That's a bunch of BS anyway. She bought it to use on Caylee..accidently on purpose.

[Marianne]

Originally posted by StevenMiller


Beyond reasonable doubt doesnt mean it could be no possible other scenario. It just means a resonable scenario. And most resaonable people would call the cops if they found their childs body in the trunk of their car and had nothing to do with it. [/*]

so who had her key to the trunk?

[Shellberry]

I say yes, accident/
I think if the chloroform has anything to do with it--caylee got it herself by accident (someone had it laying around)

by the time it could be reported as such-one , it was too late & two, they'd wonder where it came from
hence--here comes the cover up.

:o

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by barskin&co.
Premeditation, under the law, can be just a moment. I say murder. [/*]

If she used chloraphorm on the baby and the baby died as a result that's premeditated murder by Florida state law. I posted in another thread. Sorry I can't find it right now but you can google it. Someone asked if it's murder #1 and it definitely is. Especially on a child under age 18 that the perp is neglegent with.

[Adalena935]

Here's the link for the laws of FLA governing death of a child re; 1st degree murder code if the child dies as a result of abuse or neglect if the child us under age 18. Just for those who want the code or the link. I copied part of the text.


http://law.justia.com/florida/codes/TitleXLVI/ch0827.html

827.03 Abuse, aggravated abuse, and neglect of a child; penalties.--

(2) "Aggravated child abuse" occurs when a person:

(a) Commits aggravated battery on a child;

(*) Willfully tortures, maliciously punishes, or willfully and unlawfully cages a child; or

(c) Knowingly or willfully abuses a child and in so doing causes great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the child.

A person who commits aggravated child abuse commits a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3)(a) "Neglect of a child" means:

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by Miami Mania
Oh my, 91% of us have decided she is guilty while she is still presumed innocent! Uh oh! [/*]

I'm in another state & am not in any potential jury pool. The presumed innocent isn't a law. The premise applies only to those involved in any possible trial. The judge will tell them and the lawyers will question them before seating them on a jury.

You do know it doesn't apply to the thought process of the general public, right? or the whole nation would be incarcreated for thinking.

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by Marianne
I say premedatated.

No one innocently goes on the net to find chloroform...and if she needed it to clean with then she covering up the body.anyways which wasnt too smart. That's a bunch of BS anyway. She bought it to use on Caylee..accidently on purpose. [/*]

I'll say. Searching it on the net beforehand is a giveaway. That won't help her defense. Her lawyer can say the automatic somebody else googled it, but the jury won't believe it.

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by ALL RISE

I'm sorry, but that falls under 'accidental'. I'd be ever so thankfully grateful to a creative prosecutor to see just how they could trump those charges up to premediated....anxiously waiting! [/*]

Florida law. If a child (under age 18) dies as the result of abuse it's premeditated murder.

http://law.justia.com/florida/codes/TitleXLVI/ch0827.html

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by taylor63
Yes,and for a while I thought Caylee's death, was highly likely an accident,but after hearing of how Casey searched her computer for info on chloroform,I now believed she murdered the baby. [/*]

Most people thought it was accidental because it's impossible to get your mind around the unnatural act of a Mother wanting to harm her children. But sadly evil exists. We don't have to understand it, but just acknowledge it and bring justice for the victims.

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by ALL RISE
And besides....how do any of you know (beyond reasonable doubt like re the jury decision) that it was Casey and not someone else who put Caylee in that trunk.

I rest my case. [/*]

A jury at trial will have all the evidence presented, which we don't at this time.

She hasen't been charged with murder, yet.

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by Shellberry
I say yes, accident/
I think if the chloroform has anything to do with it--caylee got it herself by accident (someone had it laying around)

by the time it could be reported as such-one , it was too late & two, they'd wonder where it came from
hence--here comes the cover up.

:o [/*]

I'm wondering if when the evidence gets presented in court, Caylee's hair shaft will show multiple applications of chloroform at varrying intervals over a period of time. It that's what the prosecution can show the jury they might give her the death penalty.

[NatalieB]

Originally posted by Adalena935


Florida law. If a child (under age 18) dies as the result of abuse it's premeditated murder.

http://law.justia.com/florida/codes/TitleXLVI/ch0827.html [/*]

I'd voted murder 1 earlier, but after reading this, I believe they'll charge murder 1 as well AND get a 1st degree conviction. We all know Casey cannot take the stand. If she did, jurors probably won't be sympathetic to her plight.

Now the only question I have is, will they seek death? If I had to guess, I would say that they most definitely will. There is a good chance that this jury would opt for death as well. They're going to HATE Casey. I'd also imagine prosecutors would LOVE a death qualified jury even if they couldn't care less if jurors voted for it.

In the Susan Smith case, the ONLY reason she wasn't given death (according to jurors) is because she came clean and told LE what happened. IMO, she had little choice because she was backed into a corner with her lies, but this is the reason jurors gave. If this jury feels similarly, I can see them handing down death.

[Marianne]

Originally posted by Adalena935


A jury at trial will have all the evidence presented, which we don't at this time.

She hasen't been charged with murder, yet. [/*]

That idea is totally far fetched. ou mean you are going to tell me someone stole the key to the trunk from Casey put a dead body in the trunk and then returned the key to her...Or better yet someone at the tow yard murdered a child and temporarily disposed of the body in the car (where did he get the key?) and then removed it. Is there another murdered missing child somewhere?

And then Casey's jeans just 'accidentally' reeked of decmposition?

Also why did Casey leave her pocketbook in the car and the phone number of Amy?

Or did Casey drop the body off her self at blanchard park and then just have enough gas to get to a check cashing place?

And if she was broke and couldnt afford gas how and where did she get a bagful of groceries at 7am when Tony met her?


And if she told the police official who drove her home from jail the names of those involved and where she left Caylee then she has essentially confessed at least to giving her child away.

I feel like I need two heads for this case...one to follow the kidnappers wrenching Caylee away with sme kind of written contract..(these are the people she trusts and feels confident Caylee is in good hands....not to mention her sorrow at being without those whom she loves)...and then this murder scenario....the two interweave and ...obviously the kidnapper charge is bogus just as Caylee coming home for her birthday was but it still makes me want to know if LE has found the people she speaks of.

[Marianne]

Originally posted by Shellberry
I say yes, accident/
I think if the chloroform has anything to do with it--caylee got it herself by accident (someone had it laying around)

by the time it could be reported as such-one , it was too late & two, they'd wonder where it came from
hence--here comes the cover up.

:o [/*]


So, in other wordsw you think Caylee found some chloroform soaked rags and said "yummm" sniffing it till she went unconscious and then Casey stuffed her in the trunk with the rag...because the choloform had to have been on something besides the lungs of Caylee to be so prevolent in the air..displacing the oxygen in the trunk.

But right there it is neglect....and then why didnt she report it? Why come up with all these other stories ? She won't admit to accident.

cindy is probobly going to call the computer search..identy theft!

[Shellberry]

Originally posted by Marianne



So, in other wordsw you think Caylee found some chloroform soaked rags and said "yummm" sniffing it till she went unconscious and then Casey stuffed her in the trunk with the rag...because the choloform had to have been on something besides the lungs of Caylee to be so prevolent in the air..displacing the oxygen in the trunk.

But right there it is neglect....and then why didnt she report it? Why come up with all these other stories ? She won't admit to accident.

cindy is probobly going to call the computer search..identy theft! [/*]
yes, I think caylee found it some way--who said it was on a rag? not me
she could have found the mixture of it-from what i hear, it is very sweet smelling.
definately something a child would be drawn to.

& why didnt she report it?
heck-why was it cindy that reported her missing in the first place?

I posted my theory on this yesterday evening.



imo/jmo.

[Shellberry]

Originally posted by Marianne



So, in other wordsw you think Caylee found some chloroform soaked rags and said "yummm" sniffing it till she went unconscious and then Casey stuffed her in the trunk with the rag...because the choloform had to have been on something besides the lungs of Caylee to be so prevolent in the air..displacing the oxygen in the trunk.

But right there it is neglect....and then why didnt she report it? Why come up with all these other stories ? She won't admit to accident.

cindy is probobly going to call the computer search..identy theft! [/*]

another thing marianne- I see that chloroform can also be used as a fire ant killer or a hornet/wasp hive killer.
if you live in Fl-you know that fire ants and bee nests are everywhere..
so if it were in a locked shed because someone was using it for that reason and did research online to see just how to use it to kill the pests in the yard, I can see why they might have it on hand-either bought online or a mixture they made themselves.

& I can also see a curious child looking through things he/she shouldnt be.

My 19 month old daughter does the same thing.
If she if left alone for a second in the kitchen she gets under the cabinets and takes out the cleaning supplies and lines them all up on the floor.
(that god we got wise to her and only keep vinegar and water spray under the cabinet along with some sponges)
anyhoo-kids are curious, if something is there that they arent supposed to have--as soon as the coast is clear, they will try to get at it to check it out.

imo/jmo

[Shellberry]

Originally posted by Marianne


That idea is totally far fetched. ou mean you are going to tell me someone stole the key to the trunk from Casey put a dead body in the trunk and then returned the key to her...Or better yet someone at the tow yard murdered a child and temporarily disposed of the body in the car (where did he get the key?) and then removed it. Is there another murdered missing child somewhere?

And then Casey's jeans just 'accidentally' reeked of decmposition?

Also why did Casey leave her pocketbook in the car and the phone number of Amy?

Or did Casey drop the body off her self at blanchard park and then just have enough gas to get to a check cashing place?

And if she was broke and couldnt afford gas how and where did she get a bagful of groceries at 7am when Tony met her?


And if she told the police official who drove her home from jail the names of those involved and where she left Caylee then she has essentially confessed at least to giving her child away.

I feel like I need two heads for this case...one to follow the kidnappers wrenching Caylee away with sme kind of written contract..(these are the people she trusts and feels confident Caylee is in good hands....not to mention her sorrow at being without those whom she loves)...and then this murder scenario....the two interweave and ...obviously the kidnapper charge is bogus just as Caylee coming home for her birthday was but it still makes me want to know if LE has found the people she speaks of. [/*]
oh brother-I think you need to read up a little more on this case.

there were 400 documents released, they are yours for the reading in the links thread.


imo/jmo

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by Shellberry
<snip>

My 19 month old daughter does the same thing.
If she if left alone for a second in the kitchen she gets under the cabinets and takes out the cleaning supplies and lines them all up on the floor.
(that god we got wise to her and only keep vinegar and water spray under the cabinet along with some sponges)
anyhoo-kids are curious, if something is there that they arent supposed to have--as soon as the coast is clear, they will try to get at it to check it out.

imo/jmo

I would hope you and the Anthonys child-proofed their home with child safety latches on cabinets, doors, toilet seats, etc.

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/grand/12steps/12steps.html

Typical cost of a safety latch or lock: less than $2.

Taking safety precautions and helping to avoid a child from an accidental burn or accidental ingestion or drowning in the home-

Priceless!

imo

[Postergeist]

Dunnie- I don't think the dates have been released on the 'net searches.

Did you read what occurred in the wee hours of the morning- LE was back at the home and retrieved item/s from the back of George's vehicle. Seems like they had something very specific they were wanting to get. It's unknown if the evidence taken was a tip they received or what exactly.

Link is on the link thread.

[legalease]

I went with PREMEDITATED - because if it was accidental she would have shown remorse - instead she was partying after the fact and didn't seem to be missing her little girl.

The other scenario is ACCIDENTAL - for me this one doesn't preclude PREMEDITATION on the part of Casey even if it appears to be 'accidental' on the surface. Her motive was to be free of her child therefore she was reckless and heartless and that ended up <perhaps> as an 'accidental' death. However, death was exactly the outcome she was aiming for. The 'accidental' part was just a psychological game she played with herself so she wouldn't feel responsible for putting her homicidal feelings into homicidal action - MUNCHASEN SYNDROME by PROXY but with a DEADLY TWIST (motive was to 'purposely by accident' cause death).

< an interesting fact is that individuals who display MUNCHASEN SYNDROME by PROXY are known for the WEB OF DECEIT they weave - but don't get me wrong, Casey's psychological profile is much more complex, evil and deadly than those displaying this basic syndrome! Google it to find out about the lying ..... lots of similarities except for the 'missing child' part ... >

[Marianne]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Postergeist


I would hope you and the Anthonys child-proofed their home with child safety latches on cabinets, doors, toilet seats, etc.

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/grand/12steps/12steps.html

Typical cost of a safety latch or lock: less than $2.

Taking safety precautions and helping to avoid a child from an accidental burn or accidental ingestion or drowning in the home-

Priceless!

imo [/*][/QUOTE


I was being a bit facetious re Caylee smelling chloroform....it is so unpleasant I can't imagine a child would consder ingesting it...after one whif she'd make a face and run. Yes I know about kids...I swallowed my nanny's heart meds when I was two.....she was trying to shake me upside down to try to make me vomit them...no such luck but I survived without even doctor's visit. But you cant smell a pill...and I'm sure I must have done it because I saw her do it.

I just dont think a child would inhale enough of a dose to put her out...of her own free will.

How is chloroform bottled or packaged? In a bottle, in a can?

[ALL RISE]

Is choloform in Meth?

I'm believing that Casey used the choloform as a 'party drug' to put Caylee to sleep so she could party party party..and inasmuch as this drug (is not only illegal since the 70's) but impossible to measure..Caylee inhaled too much...thus death...if Casey put Caylee in the car seat in her car, authorities certainly would have caught her; thus the sociopath being smarter than the authorities, put her daughter in the trunk...that is just lower than low...

we saw it */4 in the murder trial of the daycare worker using benedryl....on the infant....that drug wasn't strong enough....for Casey...and two computer searches on Casey's computer re cholorform ....

After hearing tonite on Nancy Grace that 'significant' amounts of the drug were found to be in the trunk. And the computer searches re this drug....

And that Casey had a huge fight and left with Caylee...from the Anthony residence...sadly, I believe Casey killed Caylee out of spite because of the love and attention Caylee got from the grandmother. Caylee also was interfering in the new budding relationship between Casey and Tony.

Caylee:rose:

[FoxySly]

another thing marianne- I see that chloroform can also be used as a fire ant killer or a hornet/wasp hive killer.
if you live in Fl-you know that fire ants and bee nests are everywhere..so if it were in a locked shed because someone was using it for that reason and did research online to see just how to use it to kill the pests in the yard, I can see why they might have it on hand-either bought online or a mixture they made themselves.

& I can also see a curious child looking through things he/she shouldnt be.

My 19 month old daughter does the same thing.
If she if left alone for a second in the kitchen she gets under the cabinets and takes out the cleaning supplies and lines them all up on the floor.
(that god we got wise to her and only keep vinegar and water spray under the cabinet along with some sponges)
anyhoo-kids are curious, if something is there that they arent supposed to have--as soon as the coast is clear, they will try to get at it to check it out.

imo/jmo

I live in Death Valley on aces of land with thousands of ants hills/holes, I am 50 years old and have NEVER used chloroform.

My your own admission you have a 19 month old baby & yet have made over 1100 posts in 1 month, you say if "she is left alone for a second...", I can't help but ponder who is watching her for the hundreds of thousands of seconds that you are posting (let alone reading), that's scary & sad IMO but it lets me have an understanding of why you defend casey.

Sly

[Marianne]

I think that Casey was alone in this and cannot stand the thought of her parents knowing what she did so she will never admit to this. The parents cannot stand the thought that she could have done such a thing so they will continue on in denial. All the while hoping and praying that they will find her alive and her prayers will be answered. I do however think that Cindy is worried and that it is her fear that Casey may have been involved (although she will never admit it publicly). I think it is very possible that she washed the jeans from the trunk and possibly cleaned the trunk to try and get rid of evidence that could damage her daughter's defense should she need one. I think she may feel that it is very possible that she has already lost her granddaughter and that she cannot lose her daughter as well. JMO


Agree. And here is where the chloroform comes in as Cindy or George or all three used it to clean out the car possibly even asking Casey to google it so that they could order it.

[Marianne]

so Casey could carry on with her partying nature, and Caylee, when Casey would be done with her partying, would reawake all fresh and full of life...but not what happened...thats why I asked if that kind of death would be considered accidental...having used illegal substance....not being licensed to administer or to have even in Casey's possession...and even if Casey put the child in the trunk to hide the child inquiring eyes inside of in the car; that would give Casey away...whoops...theres another probable cause of death...putting a child in a trunk...the child could of suffocated....obviously Casey put the child in the trunk cause there is notable choloform...tisk tisk....guilty of some kind of death...what I'm not sure...not enough evidence...yet.

Itis too bad Cindy waited so long to call a councelor because she should have had full custody of Caylee. In this scenario Casey knew she was about to be kicked out and in spite she left on her own taking Caylee with her knowing full well she had no way to provide shelter or safty for her child. She essentially stole the child from her parents. It is reckless endangerment for sure with an easy predictable next step to murder or accidently on-purpose. And OK she stole her greatgrand parents retirement account so that she would have money to buy groceries for Tony.

Did the thought of getting a real job ever occur to her so she could afford a nanny?

[Marianne]

Just preliminary thoughts here. Betting Benedryl didn't and wouldn't work for the narcistic mother...a total inconvenience to have to go and keep checking on the little girl who if awake might have made all kinds of noise in the trunk...alerting the world she was there....something more potent...powerful....even thinking Casey's imaginary three initialed babysitter was the chloroform...did she find it on the internet...we only know the sites she went to...re the chloroform...now....Casey made a mistake...a big mistake...the last time she gave it Caylee...but prosecutors have to put the drug in her hand...beyond a reasonable doubt that Casey put the little girl and the illegal substance in the trunk...and at this point hopefully the prosecutors are awaiting more valuable evidence. This is just a hunch on my part....and we have to wonder what makes people thick that would put up a half a million dollars so Casey could see the light of day......its not right....barf

Listen folks you have to understand...these people offering millions in book deals have contingencies; in other words they all are demanding to know the whereabouts of Caylee...if she gives up the body then she gets the money. And if she does that she gets the death penalty.

It is NG who is sensationalizing it.


No one is giving her money to simply repeat all the info that is already out there.

[Marianne]

And besides....how do any of you know (beyond reasonable doubt like re the jury decision) that it was Casey and not someone else who put Caylee in that trunk.

I rest my case.

This makes no sense. Did Casey already know her child was dead? If not didnt she miss her? And who took the body out. All this happening while Casey could care less? It is possible someone may have helped loaqd the dead body in the trunk but only with the cooperation of Casey.

[Marianne]

yes, I think caylee found it some way--who said it was on a rag? not me
she could have found the mixture of it-from what i hear, it is very sweet smelling.
definately something a child would be drawn to.

& why didnt she report it?
heck-why was it cindy that reported her missing in the first place?

I posted my theory on this yesterday evening.



imo/jmo.

First of all if it was on a rag it would have evaporated. Remember the chloroform in the car has only been detected by samples of air quality. So that is a very high dose or amount of chloroform that was used...an amount far greater than would be used for making meth.

Also while chloroform is described as being sweet...do not take that literaly...it is not an appealing sweet it is a sickly nauseaus sweet that would repel anyone.

I think if Casey in anyway used chloroform on her child to subdue her you would noticed rebellion from Casey. If her mother tried to hold a soaked rag to her nose she would kick and scream and put up a struggle.

However she may have only needed a first time. Then packed the body in the trunk long enough for it to begin to decompose, then she got rid of it...then abandoned car and then car was cleaned out with chloroform. Cleaning it out with chloroform explains the excessively high amount found.

[Marianne]

After hearing tonite on Nancy Grace that 'significant' amounts of the drug were found to be in the trunk. And the computer searches re this drug....

And that Casey had a huge fight and left with Caylee...from the Anthony residence...sadly, I believe Casey killed Caylee out of spite because of the love and attention Caylee got from the grandmother. Caylee also was interfering in the new budding relationship between Casey and Tony.

Caylee:rose:

Not only was she interfering in her relationahip but Caylee had absolutely no place to bring Caylee after Tony and others told her it was not a good idea to bring Caylee over there. Casey could have brought her back to her grandparents but she wanted revenge and she wanted her parents to think she had disapeared. (except that she was careless enough to leave Amy's number in her car.)