Mr.Padilla

[Deb7]

This is my hopes that you might somehow see this. Seeing how you have money and you can't think of anything to do with it other than get Casey out of jail. Why don't you donate your money to TES so they can continue to search for Caylee. Doesn't that seem like a better idea than offering it to Casey once again?
I realize you only offered it to her if she tells where Caylee can be found. I doubt that will happen, so you should take your money (or whoever it belongs to) and go help find Caylee.

Thank you
:seeya:

[Jinxie]

Originally posted by Deb7
This is my hopes that you might somehow see this. Seeing how you have money and you can't think of anything to do with it other than get Casey out of jail. Why don't you donate your money to TES so they can continue to search for Caylee. Doesn't that seem like a better idea than offering it to Casey once again?
I realize you only offered it to her if she tells where Caylee can be found. I doubt that will happen, so you should take your money (or whoever it belongs to) and go help find Caylee.

Thank you
:seeya: [/*]

Excellent Thought! Someone might send a link to this thread to Mr. Padilla!

[Katprint]

Mr. Padilla,

I appreciate your extensive efforts to find Caylee even though they were not successful. You seem like a nice person. Let's have lunch the next time you are in the SF Bay area, or when I am in Sacramento. Send me a PM. :seeya:

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[dtviewer]

Originally posted by Katprint
Mr. Padilla,

I appreciate your extensive efforts to find Caylee even though they were not successful. You seem like a nice person. Let's have lunch the next time you are in the SF Bay area, or when I am in Sacramento. Send me a PM. :seeya:

Katprint
Always only my own opinions [/*]

What 'extensive efforts'?
He did nothing to find Caylee except make up 'what if' stories that made no sense at all.
Even after he realized that no one in the family was going to talk to him he still spouted off about 'anyday now' that he was going to start searching.
As far as I am concerned, he did nothing to further the finding of Caylee. All he did do was give Casey a nice little vacation from jail.

The man is a fool, and now due to his obsessive coveting of the spotlight, the world knows he is a fool.

[MichelleP]

]

Well then I am a little confused.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17315205/detail.html?rss=orlc

"Just putting the hair under the microscope one can tell the difference between a normal hair root and one that's been infected with bacteria after death." stated forensic expert Michael Baden.

They found out that she was dead by a root right? So why wouldn't they have that information?

[MichelleP]

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/topics/forensics/events/dnasummit/trans-2.html

"Hair that naturally falls out does not have root material on it. It's in that root material that you would find nuclear DNA, but a naturally shed hair is not going to have nuclear DNA, but it has a lot of copies of mitochondrial DNA."

If they have the root of the hair they could have possibly found out.

I would assume they had to have the root to determine the little girl is dead.

""Just putting the hair under the microscope one can tell the difference between a normal hair root and one that's been infected with bacteria after death." stated forensic expert Michael Baden.
"

From my above post.

[MichelleP]

Oops shouldn't have said it like that

"“The Feds released information that the hair was either the mother’s or the daughter’s; they didn’t distinguish,” Padilla said. “Why would they not know whether it was the daughter or the mother? They didn’t say it was Caylee’s.”

Padilla said that officials ruled it was Caylee’s hair just by a process of elimination because the hair had a death ring around it and they know Casey is alive. The fact that the DNA is identical has something to do with who the father is, Padilla said."

http://www.540wfla.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=227698&article=4189759

It sounds to me they determined someone was dead either Caylee or Casey.

[MichelleP]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17315205/detail.html

How do you explain the chloroform in the car? The body in the trunk since you don't seem to be convinced it was Caylee's?

[Good4u]

Whoever is the man in this video at
1:01, 2:15 and 3:22 is Caylee's daddy, the spitting image...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7v3UgBbQXU&eurl

Who is he?

Also if Caylee and Casey had very close DNA, then that could mean the same person is the father of both? I think Padilla is confused???


EDITED TO ADD:
"You can have hair analyzed for y-DNA and mitochondrial mtDNA. For mtDNA analysis, you can just use the hair itself. However, for y-DNA you must get the "root" or "bulb" of the hair. The root contains the nuclear DNA which includes y-DNA."


Sounds like they had a root, and that they extracted yDNA...not just mtDNA...so...

[MichelleP]

Also Dragon I'm not really good at this stuff.

So this is what you are saying correct you say you don't believe Padilla or anyone else that says Caylee is dead, but going back to the MtDNA would be identical. Because Casey passed that identical MtDNA profile to her daughter and Cindy passed it on to Casey and Cindy's mother passed it on to her.

Then what you are saying is the body in the trunk had to be someone from the Cindy's family right, but not Caylee? Who else in the Cindy's family is missing or unaccounted for?


"Maybe someone put a body in the car after it was towed to the tow yard. Why don't you talk to them about their security?" Cindy Anthony said Thursday evening.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17338526/detail.html

You just made Cindy look like a fool, because it couldn't have been any body but it had to be a relation to her.

So you see why someone put a body in the car after it was towed just doesn't make sense.

[donna]

Originally posted by Deb7
This is my hopes that you might somehow see this. Seeing how you have money and you can't think of anything to do with it other than get Casey out of jail. Why don't you donate your money to TES so they can continue to search for Caylee. Doesn't that seem like a better idea than offering it to Casey once again?
I realize you only offered it to her if she tells where Caylee can be found. I doubt that will happen, so you should take your money (or whoever it belongs to) and go help find Caylee.

Thank you
:seeya: [/*]

Deb7, I hope you don't mind if I second this! Great idea!

[Good4u]

Originally posted by MichelleP
Also Dragon I'm not really good at this stuff.

So this is what you are saying correct you say you don't believe Padilla or anyone else that says Caylee is dead, but going back to the MtDNA would be identical. Because Casey passed that identical MtDNA profile to her daughter and Cindy passed it on to Casey and Cindy's mother passed it on to her.

Then what you are saying is the body in the trunk had to be someone from the Cindy's family right, but not Caylee? Who else in the Cindy's family is missing or unaccounted for?


"Maybe someone put a body in the car after it was towed to the tow yard. Why don't you talk to them about their security?" Cindy Anthony said Thursday evening.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17338526/detail.html

You just made Cindy look like a fool, because it couldn't have been any body but it had to be a relation to her.

So you see why someone put a body in the car after it was towed just doesn't make sense. [/*]

I believe both yDNA and mDNA was tested in her hair (see my above post) and when Padilla hinted that their DNA was nearly identical that is the 'evidence that will shock the world'...

[MichelleP]

Originally posted by Good4u


I believe both yDNA and mDNA was tested in her hair (see my above post) and when Padilla hinted that their DNA was nearly identical that is the 'evidence that will shock the world'... [/*]

Sure I know

"Originally posted by Good4u


I believe both yDNA and mDNA was tested in her hair (see my above post) and when Padilla hinted that their DNA was nearly identical that is the 'evidence that will shock the world'... [/*]

Yes, I know I was referring to this post

"Dragon
Member

No one has determined she is dead.

But, no, the root is not required to determine if the hair has a root band.

The root band is not on the actual root.

Please look at the photo and explanation on the link I provided to the FBI's site."


You're using the moron's words to try to prove a determination made by the FBI?

That's rich.

Where is his source for this information?

I'm not going to banter back and forth over hair analysis. Bottom line is that most likely used MtDNA on the hair. And if that is the case, that is the exact reason they could not say whether it was Casey's or Caylee's hair. MtDNA has nothing to do with the father.

Padilla is an idiot and if he was to attempt to educate himself before opening his yap, he would probably have a decent following in this case. But so far he has exhibited time and again that he opens his mouth before having all the facts and then gets distracted by the next shiny thing that attracts his attention and starts yapping about that. All the while probably hoping people will not notice his previously spewed bit of idiocy."

It kind of looked liked to me he was saying she wasn't dead. If he know's the hair from the body in the car and they used MtDNA. Then that body in the car was related to Cindy's family someway, somehow regardless of how they came about that conslusion. Just the fact that it was the same should say something. I understand what you are saying about the father (it's a shock to me too, but I am pretty sure I seen people on here hinting at he could be too before this all came out), but he assumed they didn't have nuclear dna.

We were just having a nice discussion, he/she thinks Padilla is an idiot and well I don't see where really anybody looks any good in this whole thing including the grandparents.

"I'm not going to banter back and forth over hair analysis. Bottom line is that most likely used MtDNA on the hair. And if that is the case, that is the exact reason they could not say whether it was Casey's or Caylee's hair."

[Velouria]

Originally posted by Dragon



Padilla is an idiot and if he was to attempt to educate himself before opening his yap, he would probably have a decent following in this case. But so far he has exhibited time and again that he opens his mouth before having all the facts and then gets distracted by the next shiny thing that attracts his attention and starts yapping about that. All the while probably hoping people will not notice his previously spewed bit of idiocy. [/*]

Amen, Dragon. :)


Oh, how I wish you could get away with posting this over at Websleuths.

[Deb7]

Originally posted by donna


Deb7, I hope you don't mind if I second this! Great idea! [/*]

I don't mind at all. Thanks Donna. :) :seeya:

[MichelleP]

Originally posted by Dragon


:confused:

You obviously haven't read my posts. And you've made a rather silly assumption.

I'm one about the fine details and making sure "little rumors" don't spread into "known facts" by the masses later on down the road.

No one has "determined" Caylee is dead. If that was the case they would be moving for a death in absentia ruling and have Caylee legally declared dead.

The evidence at hand supports the idea that Caylee is dead.

I wholeheartedly agree with that. I have no doubt it was Caylee's body in the trunk.

So just because I post that there is no determination made (which is a fact) doesn't mean I don't believe she's dead. Saying they made a determination is false though. [/*]

Not till they find her body they probably won't do that.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17353349/detail.html

"A lead investigator in the case told WESH 2's Bob Kealing that lab results indicated Caylee's dead body was in the trunk of that car. Sources also confirmed that a stain in the trunk was not what clinched the decision that Caylee was in the trunk, but it was the strands of hair that investigators suspected all along were Caylee's."

Now wouldn't you say by that information they are looking for a dead Caylee?

[Good4u]

Originally posted by Dragon


Wow. You missed the entire point behind everything.

Or you're purposely being obtuse. Not sure which one.

Here's the facts.

If they did DNA testing and were unable to distinguish that DNA between Caylee and Casey, there is only one type of DNA testing that will do that: Mitochondrial DNA testing.

So, that's a baseline fact from Padilla's statement.

Just to repeat: The ONLY DNA testing that will give that type of result is Mitochondrial. MtDNA.

Now, MtDNA has NOTHING to do with the father. It is specifically passed from mother to child. Hence, Casey's and Caylee's hair would look identical under MtDNA testing. They would be unable to tell the difference just by looking at those DNA results.

Now, this is the part I must have lost you in the beginning:

Padilla asks a stupid question about Lee being the father and if that is why they cannot make the determination between Casey and Caylee's hair via MtDNA testing. That shows he's a moron.

My post had NOTHING to do with my beliefs about Caylee's death and EVERYTHING to do with my belief that Padilla is an idiot by making that stupid statement about Lee possibly fathering Caylee because Padilla is too stupid to ask someone how this DNA testing works. Most people that would inject themselves into a case and pretend to be an expert on investigating, would have at least done some homework on the subject they are getting ready to spew on about.

His question was reckless.

Once again, MtDNA has nothing to do with who the father is, therefore Padilla asked a really stupid question with slanderous accusations implied.

I think that is his "shock the world" evidence he was alluding to the other night. The "shock" is that anyone is giving this stupid person air time. [/*]

Again, read the forensic leak..they tested the ROOT, that is how they decided it was Caylee's hair because it showed characteristics from having come from a DEAD PERSON.

ALSO tested in the ROOT of the hair is yDNA which does INDEED show the father. I believe both yDNA and mtDNA was tested as they had a ROOT to test. Hence Padilla's comments about the father.

[MichelleP]

Originally posted by Dragon


If it was nuclear DNA, they could determine the difference between Casey and Caylee regardless of the father. So, either one, the father has no bearing on the tests.

If it was nuclear DNA tests, then they would NOT have run into a problem distinguishing between Casey and Caylee. So ergo, the father is moot in the argument.

If it was mitochondrial DNA tests, the father is a moot. Period. Since Padilla himself said they couldn't determine whether it belonged to Casey or Caylee, logic dictates the only test to give that type of exclusionary result would by MtDNA. Again, making any question of the father moot.

Also, the leak is nothing more than BS until confirmed. People can "report" whatever they want. The SCIENCE as presented in my previous link to the FBI clearly shows the root band is not ON the root. It is NEAR the root. The root does NOT have to be present for the dark root band to be present.

At this juncture we can argue until the cows come home, because we don't have the evidence to prove one way or the other. We are both using the logic, experiences and resources available to us to paint what we perceive as the most likely scenario. I will stand by my analysis of the known "facts". [/*]

You don't listen to anything anyone tells you.

http://paperglueetc.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/another-day-another-bunch-of-lies/

They have to have taken a paternity test or dna to know who the father is or isn't and it's been proven someone isn't the father already.

[MichelleP]

"Padilla is trying to explain something he doesn't understand by asking a ridiculous question.

MtDNA is passed on from a mother to her child. When hairs are found and there isn't a root available on it, they only type of DNA test they can perform on it is an MtDNA test.

If it was Caylee's or Casey's hair, the MtDNA would be identical. Because Casey passed that identical MtDNA profile to her daughter.

The father has absolutely NOTHING to do with MtDNA.

Here's a quick link to a basic explanation of MtDNA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_DNA

So, instead of asking experts why the DNA couldn't determine if it was Casey or Caylee, he asks a stupid question that begins some rather outrageous rumors. It wouldn't matter who the father was, it would have no effect whatsoever on the DNA tests on those hair"

I'm talking about your above post. We know they now excluded someone from being the father to do that they couldn't have done the test you are talking about.

That's what I am talking about. Or maybe both was, but they had to do both and to exclude someone being the father they had to have done a paternity test or something similar.

[MichelleP]

Originally posted by Dragon


Jesse took a DNA test before Caylee went missing and it has no bearing on the fact MtDNA cannot distinquish between a mother and that mother's child.

Such as the MtDNA hair test done on the hair in Scott's boat. It could have been Laci's. It could have equally been Sharon's.

Laci's father had no bearing on that. No one was questioning Laci's parentage because MtDNA could not determine whether the hair belonged to Laci or Sharon. Same exact thing going on here. Only difference is that Padilla is a moron. Fortunately there wasn't someone equally idiotic as Padilla injecting themselves into the Peterson case or when they heard that testimony, they would have been asking if Sharon's brother fathered Laci.

(Perhaps now it makes sense?) [/*]

I didn't know Jesse had one before Caylee went missing, problem is there may have been one or may be one planned. He is also dead this guy, but they have his dna, so it only makes sense that THEY HAVE something that can identify the father of Caylee.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17091439/detail.html

Caylee's grandmother Cindy claims no knowledge of Ortiz, slthough she has said Caylee's father was killed in a car crash. That crash investigation included a blood test for toxicology. Now investigators may use that sample in a post-mortem paternity test.

[Shellberry]

again- 'huh' about this thread?

padilla isnt getting her out this time--two totally different other people/groups did....

why the thread to padilla?





imo/jmo