Michelle Young 9/1/09

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Considering Pat Young gave them the list of missing things in May 2007 and LE executed a s/w July, 2007 that is now sealed, I think it's likely that they found something they were looking for in July such as the new wallet. That wallet is the only item on their list that Pat told them about that was not searched for in Feb. '08. [/*]

Mrs. Young didn't say that the wallet was missing. According to the SWs, she says that $500 cash that was IN a new wallet was missing. Unless the bills were marked, how would they search for them?

[shack]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Mrs. Young didn't say that the wallet was missing. According to the SWs, she says that $500 cash that was IN a new wallet was missing. Unless the bills were marked, how would they search for them? [/*]

You made me go look at the warrant again. I think she is saying the money is inside the wallet. That's one of those things that could be debated for days. I am confused as to how LE took all the things that wasn't listed as what they were looking for.

At Oakland Hills dr. they took nothing.

Jason's Moms:

Adidas wh/ny size 12 running shoe In Warrant
Reebok wh/red size 12 basketball shoe In Warrant
death certificate of Michelle Young
Progress Energy ins. papers
Cassie's therapist report.
Jason's ins papers.

storage:
cream color sweater
3 pearl necklaces In Warrant
brown paper coach bag.with white rag and ribbons and paperwork.
1 pr child's flip flops size 6 pink
None of the other things were listed , where was the PC to take them?

[bookie]

Originally posted by shack


You made me go look at the warrant again. I think she is saying the money is inside the wallet. That's one of those things that could be debated for days. I am confused as to how LE took all the things that wasn't listed as what they were looking for.

At Oakland Hills dr. they took nothing.

Jason's Moms:

Adidas wh/ny size 12 running shoe In Warrant
Reebok wh/red size 12 basketball shoe In Warrant
death certificate of Michelle Young
Progress Energy ins. papers
Cassie's therapist report.
Jason's ins papers.

storage:
cream color sweater
3 pearl necklaces In Warrant
brown paper coach bag.with white rag and ribbons and paperwork.
1 pr child's flip flops size 6 pink
None of the other things were listed , where was the PC to take them? [/*]


I think they are going to try to rely on that line about "any other items/instruments possibly used in the crime" or however they worded it. A judge may not go for it considering they took a death certificate issued AFTER the crime occured and Cassidy's therapist notes/report that were also made AFTER the crime.

[shack]

Originally posted by bookie



I think they are going to try to rely on that line about "any other items/instruments possibly used in the crime" or however they worded it. A judge may not go for it considering they took a death certificate issued AFTER the crime occured and Cassidy's therapist notes/report that were also made AFTER the crime. [/*]

Wonder if the blunders is why the DA didn't want the warrants released? I guess they will say Cassies flip flop was the murder weapon.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by shack


Wonder if the blunders is why the DA didn't want the warrants released? I guess they will say Cassies flip flop was the murder weapon. [/*]

Your above post is the at lowest point you can stoop regarding this case, IMO.

Please review the autopsy report.

Hope this helps.

:patriot: Lady Justice is calling Jason's name.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by shack


(snipped).........

I guess they will say Cassies flip flop was the murder weapon. [/*]

IIRC, you've already posted that you don't care how Michelle died, so don't concern yourself about possible theories of how the murder occurred or what type of weapon was used.

Thank you.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by shack


You made me go look at the warrant again. I think she is saying the money is inside the wallet. That's one of those things that could be debated for days. I am confused as to how LE took all the things that wasn't listed as what they were looking for.

At Oakland Hills dr. they took nothing.

Jason's Moms:

Adidas wh/ny size 12 running shoe In Warrant
Reebok wh/red size 12 basketball shoe In Warrant
death certificate of Michelle Young
Progress Energy ins. papers
Cassie's therapist report.
Jason's ins papers.

storage:
cream color sweater
3 pearl necklaces In Warrant
brown paper coach bag.with white rag and ribbons and paperwork.
1 pr child's flip flops size 6 pink
None of the other things were listed , where was the PC to take them? [/*]

Some of the items seized has me puzzled. The child's flip flops. Were they two year old ones or new ones? Did they seize them to compare to footprints at the scene or what? MY's death certificate. Wouldn't they already have a copy of this? The child's therapy report. Isn't that confidential unless there was a court order for it?

[shack]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


IIRC, you've already posted that you don't care how Michelle died, so don't concern yourself about possible theories of how the murder occurred or what type of weapon was used.

Thank you. [/*]

We are talking about how they took things than wasn't listed on the warrant. You are posting total nonsense.

[shack]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Some of the items seized has me puzzled. The child's flip flops. Were they two year old ones or new ones? Did they seize them to compare to footprints at the scene or what? MY's death certificate. Wouldn't they already have a copy of this? The child's therapy report. Isn't that confidential unless there was a court order for it? [/*]

They were a size 6. I confess I don't know what age a child would wear a 6 and I have no one to ask today. They had to get a court order for Mrs. Young's records I would think the same would be true of the child. Did they think the warrant covered it? Mr. Young's ins. records? If they didn't have a copy of her death certificate all they had to do was ask their ME and he could give them one. Do you think they were reluctant to leave there with just 2 pr of shoes and a 3 necklaces so they just took stuff?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by shack


They were a size 6. I confess I don't know what age a child would wear a 6 and I have no one to ask today. They had to get a court order for Mrs. Young's records I would think the same would be true of the child. Did they think the warrant covered it? Mr. Young's ins. records? If they didn't have a copy of her death certificate all they had to do was ask their ME and he could give them one. Do you think they were reluctant to leave there with just 2 pr of shoes and a 3 necklaces so they just took stuff? [/*]

In my opinion, no.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by janesdean


Maybe it's "surrounded" by splatter because his hand was there while he was beating her, causing the splatter ??? [/*]

That's the way it reads in the search warrant but only the investigators know for sure. I guess we'll find out when the trial takes place.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by janesdean


Maybe it's "surrounded" by splatter because his hand print was placed there while he was beating her, causing the splatter to surround not cover his print ??? [/*]

Your post jogged my memory about something - the Birchleaf SW had "palmprints" as one of the items to be seized.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by janesdean


Yes, but the warrant DOES state that he never used his key card again for the remainder of the time he was "checked in" that hotel. So, why would he check in, come back to the front desk area an hour later in dark clothes, and never re-enter his room again (no use of key card stated) ?? [/*]

YEP!

And therein lies the rub...Hmm, keycard not used except for Jason's original entry to his room.

Jason is seen in different clothes an hour later "heading" towards a side exit.

Side exit is blocked open with a rock.

Jason's wife and unborn child bludgeoned to death that very night.

Jason's other child and dog are left unharmed in the house.

Jason left early, only to drive half way to his meeting.

Jason "just had to swing by Brevard", even tho he had company coming from Charlotte for HOMECOMING WEEKEND. (Don't forget, he was a season ticket holder.)

Jason just so happened to call his SIL to go to the house to pick up a "print out" from his computer that was a belated Anniversary present. RiiiiiiiGHT!

OOPS, Meredith gets to find Michelle.

Jason has REFUSED to assist LE in the investigation, whatsoever. He lawyered up immediately and "hung-up" on the investigator, even as he meandered his way back to Raleigh, to collect Cassidy.

Jason has YET to attend ANY celebration of Michelle's life, he is MOVIN' ON. From day ONE, IMO. Forget that, he was already gone.

The End.

Geeze, why would LE even look at him in the first place? :biggrin:

Swabby

ETA: MOO

[5swab5]

Originally posted by janesdean


I could see him propping the door open to run a few doors down for ice or vending machines, but not to go several floors down and leave his room wide open for anyone who came along. I imagine he carries a laptop and who knows what other valuables when he travels for business !! Why would he risk that being stolen ?? He left that hotel, and never returned, that's why no key card use was recorded ! [/*]

Very Good!

IIRC, they took Jason's laptop when he FINALLY got back to Raleigh.

Which is dumber, leaving it in your car or an unlocked motel room?

It had to be someplace.

MOO

Swabby

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Barbara2


What "strong arguments" would those be? I've not seen them. [/*]

Hi, Barbara. Maybe you weren't here at the time.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Barbara2


So it sounds like there might be more than one, huh? [/*]

Or all a part of the same whole.

JMO

[shack]

Originally posted by janesdean


I could see him propping the door open to run a few doors down for ice or vending machines, but not to go several floors down and leave his room wide open for anyone who came along. I imagine he carries a laptop and who knows what other valuables when he travels for business !! Why would he risk that being stolen ?? He left that hotel, and never returned, that's why no key card use was recorded ! [/*]

Do you think someone would take a chance on someone being in a room and just walk in? When I travel I am usually with some friends . Just because one of us runs down to smoke or up the street for beer doesn't mean we all go. Never has any body ever tried to enter our room . The only time I ever had anything missing from a room the maid took it. It was found on her before she got away with it.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by shack


Do you think someone would take a chance on someone being in a room and just walk in? When I travel I am usually with some friends . Just because one of us runs down to smoke or up the street for beer doesn't mean we all go. Never has any body ever tried to enter our room . The only time I ever had anything missing from a room the maid took it. It was found on her before she got away with it. [/*]




OK,

Whatever you claim.

But with ALL the other coincidences, it will not "ring true" with a jury.

MOO

Try taking the path of least resistance for once. They will.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Celiarun


The SW didn't say the wallet wasn't missing, either. It did not quote Mrs. Young. The search warrant said: "Mrs. Young stated that she had a list of items that were missing from the crime scene." The s/w purposefully listed the money separately from the wallet and phrased it the way they did.

The s/w goes on to say: "As of this time these items have not been recovered or accounted for." Yet neither the $500 or the wallet was on the list of items they were looking for. That's significant, imvho. [/*]


IF LE really believed that the items that Pat Young claimed were missing, were really in dispute...why does the PC for the SW list those same items?

After all, if they believed her, why take another look at "Young" property for stolen items? My guess, is that she or another member has been caught in a lie.

MOO


Swabby


HOW many strings of pearls ARE we looking for. I can't wait for the insurance tape to be played in open court!

[Barbara2]

I doubt they expected to find $500 in cash laying around over a year after the fact, eh?

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Barbara2
I doubt they expected to find $500 in cash laying around over a year after the fact, eh? [/*]

No Kidding.

Funny they didn't even mention that in the PC for the SW. Wonder why? LOL

Exactly HOW does an uncooperative, philandering, financially strapped husband hide "extra" cash?


Answer: He doesn't! 'Cause he doesn't have any! Michelle couldn't earn it fast enough for his games and ways of disposing of it.

MOO

Swabby



WHERE IS Michelle & Rylan's headstone, BTW?
We now have proof of trips to Puerto Rico, Myrtle Beach, Montana, New England, Las Vegas....to name a few.

How about a trip to a Stone Mason and an engraver in Raleigh.

Nah, he can't be bothered, he was movin' on before Michelle was murdered, why bother looking back now?

POOR CASSIDY!

[lonetraveler]

Originally posted by bookie



Surrounded by, not covering with. It's very possible the dna is sweat from him tounching the wall as he leaned down to pick something up from his closet and not related to the crime at all. [/*]

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
A partial print (surrounded by blood splatter), not covered with blood splatter........................................th at usually means that whatever made the print was present when the blood splattered, and blocked the blood from contacting the surface behind the partial print. If the partial print was made after the blood splattered, blood would be under it. If the partial print was made before the blood splattered, blood would have covered it during the splatter. Think again.

[bookie]

Originally posted by janesdean


Hey gojo, how do you explain Jason never re-entering his room that night with his key card ? And the ole "he propped the door open" just doesn't get it !! [/*]

It may not cut it for you but unless you are on a jury in a trial where he is the defendant then it really doesn't matter. All it takes is 1 person on that jury that has propped a door open to create reasonable doubt. And if I'm not mistaken JDI's have said they have propped doors open as well as JII's.

[bookie]

Originally posted by janesdean


You state he was back in his room "absolutely" ? How do you come up with that when the warrant plainly states he never used his key card again, not that nite, not the next day. The key card was never used again until the MAID used it the next day after check out time, to clean THE UNUSED ROOM ????? [/*]


Where does it state the room was unused? Not in the warrant.

[bookie]

Originally posted by montauk66
I think the blood spatter could very important. IF A JURY believes the print was made during the attack, then that does the exact same job as a gas reciept or eye witness or other smoking gun that some are calling for. [/*]


The jury is going to be asking whose size 10 shoe print was left. And if they follow the law and do their job there is reasonable doubt all over that shoe impression if the DA can't put a size 10 shoe in Jason's possession.

[texasgal]

Still praying for justice for the murder of Michelle and her little baby boy ..

And for safety and sanity for Cassidy ..

:rose:

[JHP]

Originally posted by onederwomyn


Wouldn't they really just have to put the size 12 shoe in his possession? I mean...just to prove he was there? Maybe he had help, maybe he wore the smaller size shoe with it....but wouldn't they really just have to have one shoe print be tied to him?

Where did those size 12 that they have a receipt for go? Who cares about the size 10 shoe. If the size 12 shoe was Jason's and it left a bloody footprint, Jason was there. You could say they took it out of the closet, but then where did it go? They would be trying to frame him and then toss the shoe? You would toss it where it would be found if you want to frame him.

The bloody print from a size 10 and the one from the size 12 tell produce these scenarios (assuming the size 12 is Jason's shoe print):
*He did it and he had help
*He did it and wore a size 10 on one foot to throw off police
*It was done by two people, not Jason...but trying to frame Jason and used one of his shoes (that hasn't been found)

Given all of the circumstantial evidence, what would you arrive at?

Also...just for the sake of perpetuating the "small shoe" argument, my husband's crap lawn shoes are a 10.5, he now wears an 11.5. I had my best friend check her husband's. His old nike crap lawn sneakers are 11.5 and he now wears a 13. Neither of them are 2 sizes, but getting there.... [/*]

You have an excellent point there. I'm sure LE has more evidence then is out there.
JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Wow,22 months to the day this crime happened, and 22 months later, I am not sure we have a case against anyone.

If you read the new article in today's WRAL concerning the Cooper case and the s/w's possibly being released, you will see that the DA has argued against releasing them.
That they have been sealed 2x for a total of 60 days.

So, thinking this case is in the D A's hands, may or may not be true.

I hope everyone had a good weekend, spending 5 days at the beach makes it hard to come back..!!

Hope everyone in the path of the storm is safe.

I only have one question today, why did they take Michelle's death certificate, if it was only a copy?

:confused:
Kat


ETA The Cooper warrants have just been released, I don't have a link though......sorry!!

[bookie]

Originally posted by onederwomyn


Wouldn't they really just have to put the size 12 shoe in his possession? I mean...just to prove he was there? Maybe he had help, maybe he wore the smaller size shoe with it....but wouldn't they really just have to have one shoe print be tied to him?

Where did those size 12 that they have a receipt for go? Who cares about the size 10 shoe. If the size 12 shoe was Jason's and it left a bloody footprint, Jason was there. You could say they took it out of the closet, but then where did it go? They would be trying to frame him and then toss the shoe? You would toss it where it would be found if you want to frame him.

The bloody print from a size 10 and the one from the size 12 tell produce these scenarios (assuming the size 12 is Jason's shoe print):
*He did it and he had help
*He did it and wore a size 10 on one foot to throw off police
*It was done by two people, not Jason...but trying to frame Jason and used one of his shoes (that hasn't been found)

Given all of the circumstantial evidence, what would you arrive at?

Also...just for the sake of perpetuating the "small shoe" argument, my husband's crap lawn shoes are a 10.5, he now wears an 11.5. I had my best friend check her husband's. His old nike crap lawn sneakers are 11.5 and he now wears a 13. Neither of them are 2 sizes, but getting there.... [/*]

I've been married to my husband for almost 25 years. He was in his mid 20's when we met. He has always worn the same size shoe. He's never owned a pair smaller (or larger) then an 11.5

I don't know what I would arrive at. It would depend on expert testimony and evidence. The police would have to put any size 10 shoe in Jason's possession for me to base his guilt on a size 10 impression. They would have to prove he left the hotel that night and never went back to his room there.

[Kat4Eagles]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
Wow,22 months to the day this crime happened, and 22 months later, I am not sure we have a case against anyone.

If you read the new article in today's WRAL concerning the Cooper case and the s/w's possibly being released, you will see that the DA has argued against releasing them.
That they have been sealed 2x for a total of 60 days.

So, thinking this case is in the D A's hands, may or may not be true.

I hope everyone had a good weekend, spending 5 days at the beach makes it hard to come back..!!

Hope everyone in the path of the storm is safe.

I only have one question today, why did they take Michelle's death certificate, if it was only a copy?

:confused:
Kat


ETA The Cooper warrants have just been released.

Here is the link.

www.wral.com/news/local/story/3467543

[Debb]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
Wow,22 months to the day this crime happened, and 22 months later, I am not sure we have a case against anyone.

If you read the new article in today's WRAL concerning the Cooper case and the s/w's possibly being released, you will see that the DA has argued against releasing them.
That they have been sealed 2x for a total of 60 days.

So, thinking this case is in the D A's hands, may or may not be true.

I hope everyone had a good weekend, spending 5 days at the beach makes it hard to come back..!!

Hope everyone in the path of the storm is safe.

I only have one question today, why did they take Michelle's death certificate, if it was only a copy?

:confused:
Kat


ETA The Cooper warrants have just been released.

Here is the link.

www.wral.com/news/local/story/3467543 [/*]

Thanks for the link. Very interesting.

I guess the small red marks with scratches on husband's neck, could be an insect bite and that he scratched it himself or there was an altercation with his wife and she scratched him. That could explain why she lost a fingernail that police retrieved from the house. I wonder how husband didn't throw it out before police searched, since he was cleaing so much? Also, what kind of cleaning solution was he using and why didn't police take it?

I have so many questions now, I'm not sure where to start.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by onederwomyn


Wouldn't they really just have to put the size 12 shoe in his possession? I mean...just to prove he was there? Maybe he had help, maybe he wore the smaller size shoe with it....but wouldn't they really just have to have one shoe print be tied to him?

Where did those size 12 that they have a receipt for go? Who cares about the size 10 shoe. If the size 12 shoe was Jason's and it left a bloody footprint, Jason was there. You could say they took it out of the closet, but then where did it go? They would be trying to frame him and then toss the shoe? You would toss it where it would be found if you want to frame him.

The bloody print from a size 10 and the one from the size 12 tell produce these scenarios (assuming the size 12 is Jason's shoe print):
*He did it and he had help
*He did it and wore a size 10 on one foot to throw off police
*It was done by two people, not Jason...but trying to frame Jason and used one of his shoes (that hasn't been found)

Given all of the circumstantial evidence, what would you arrive at?

Also...just for the sake of perpetuating the "small shoe" argument, my husband's crap lawn shoes are a 10.5, he now wears an 11.5. I had my best friend check her husband's. His old nike crap lawn sneakers are 11.5 and he now wears a 13. Neither of them are 2 sizes, but getting there.... [/*]

Given the fact that nearly eight months have elapsed since the s/w was served and no arrest is a strong indication to me that more is required than just ownership of a size 12 shoe. The fact that the crime scene was steps away from the man's closet might be a factor in the crime. The shoe may have been used to beat Michelle. That's not proof Jason was the killer.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by onederwomyn


So, someone beat her with a shoe from her husband's closet? That would be poor planning, as it seems it may take a while to kill someone with a shoe...especially one that isn't a high heel or something of that nature. If this was premeditated, logic tells me the murder weapon was not a shoe.

[/*]

Since there was an attempt to strangle I don't think the bludgeoning was planned. But I agree, I hardly doubt a shoe was used.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Debb


Thanks for the link. Very interesting.

I guess the small red marks with scratches on husband's neck, could be an insect bite and that he scratched it himself or there was an altercation with his wife and she scratched him. That could explain why she lost a fingernail that police retrieved from the house. I wonder how husband didn't throw it out before police searched, since he was cleaing so much? Also, what kind of cleaning solution was he using and why didn't police take it?

I have so many questions now, I'm not sure where to start. [/*]


You are very welcome, and of course there is a NC thread for that case.

I stiil can not figure out some of the stuff going on in this case, like grabbing Michelle's death certificate..

What was the purpose of that?

I guess it would be safe to say that L E and Jason do not have a very good relationship at this point.....I guess they are at a stalemate.

I am not confident that the statement that the DA now has the case has much significance either.

The D A always has had this case.

They work closely with LE , are very much involved, and updated and consulted along the way..

22 months today.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by kingcole


Howdy, One. You seem to think the bloody shoe print on the pillow was size 12. Last I heard the cops were waiting for the Chinese to make a size 12 for comparison. Who you reckon left the #10?

==Kingcole [/*]

Howdy King,

Good to see you.:seeya:
You reckon some of the other evidence listed in the s/w's could be explained and accounted for?

The different shirts are easy .
He checked in wearing one shirt, got cleaned up, then put on another heavier shirt, and probably went out in the car to get some stuff he needed to brief himself on before his meeting.
The temperature had really fallen that nite.

Then he might have went outside again to put something away.

I never heard whether Jason smoked, did he?

I often bring more than I need in to our hotel room, and then go through it, then take what I don't need down to the car...

If he was only gone for a few minutes, he left the door open.

Only someone who wants those things to be sinister, will look at them that way.

Me?

I see an innocent person who has a one man wrecking crew filled with vengeance out to get him.


:confused:

Kat

[awareness]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
Wow,22 months to the day this crime happened, and 22 months later, I am not sure we have a case against anyone.

If you read the new article in today's WRAL concerning the Cooper case and the s/w's possibly being released, you will see that the DA has argued against releasing them.
That they have been sealed 2x for a total of 60 days.

So, thinking this case is in the D A's hands, may or may not be true.

I hope everyone had a good weekend, spending 5 days at the beach makes it hard to come back..!!

Hope everyone in the path of the storm is safe.

I only have one question today, why did they take Michelle's death certificate, if it was only a copy?

:confused:
Kat


ETA The Cooper warrants have just been released, I don't have a link though......sorry!! [/*]

While apparently some may need help with reading comprehension.... Its very clear to me who the SUSPECT is and yes, its the Jason Lynn Young you've been so keen on supporting and defending all these months.

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Howdy King,

Good to see you.:seeya:
You reckon some of the other evidence listed in the s/w's could be explained and accounted for?

The different shirts are easy .
He checked in wearing one shirt, got cleaned up, then put on another heavier shirt, and probably went out in the car to get some stuff he needed to brief himself on before his meeting.
The temperature had really fallen that nite.

Then he might have went outside again to put something away.

I never heard whether Jason smoked, did he?

I often bring more than I need in to our hotel room, and then go through it, then take what I don't need down to the car...

If he was only gone for a few minutes, he left the door open.

Only someone who wants those things to be sinister, will look at them that way.

Me?

I see an innocent person who has a one man wrecking crew filled with vengeance out to get him.


:confused:

Kat [/*]


lol we KNOW what you see.

Question is, what does LE see and clearly they are seeing Jason Lynn Young.

JMO/IMO

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


<snipped>

I see an innocent person who has a one man wrecking crew filled with vengeance out to get him.


:confused:

Kat [/*]

I think you might need to get to the eye doctor and get some new glasses so you can see more clearly. JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by awareness


While apparently some may need help with reading comprehension.... Its very clear to me who the SUSPECT is and yes, its the Jason Lynn Young you've been so keen on supporting and defending all these months.




lol we KNOW what you see.

Question is, what does LE see and clearly they are seeing Jason Lynn Young.


JMO/IMO [/*]

I am sure they are or were, but we don't know if or when the investigation took them somewhere else completely different.

What about that last sealed warrant?

I can't call guilty on what is known here,
Jason had no signs of a bad temper or anything to that effect.

Should I convict a man because he was accused of a dumb ring swallowing story, or have the fashion police arrest him for sunglasses and a red tie?

Nope, not I.
:)
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I think you might need to get to the eye doctor and get some new glasses so you can see more clearly. JMO [/*]

22 months later?

I think it will be others who need to start looking for another suspect.

Nope, not I.

:)
Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


22 months later?

I think it will be others who need to start looking for another suspect.

Nope, not I.

:)
Kat [/*]

I think you are going to be disappointed. I doubt that the investigators would agree with your wishful thinking. JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


I am sure they are or were, but we don't know if or when the investigation took them somewhere else completely different.

What about that last sealed warrant?

I can't call guilty on what is known here,
Jason had no signs of a bad temper or anything to that effect.

Should I convict a man because he was accused of a dumb ring swallowing story, or have the fashion police arrest him for sunglasses and a red tie?

Nope, not I.
:)
Kat [/*]

Kat, I don't know what's in the sealed warrant(s) - I think there may be more than one - I don't know if Jason had a temper, and I couldn't care less about ring-swallowing, sunglasses and a red tie.

But I saw the photos from the security camera at Scout's earlier today, and Jason's attire in those photos raises a lot of questions for me. They say a picture is worth a thousand words, and, in this case, maybe that's true.

I can see the shirt he was wearing at the desk, but, to me (and I think, to others), what he's wearing in the hall photo seems different. It looks like some sort of sweatshirt or hoodie over the shirt in the earlier photo. And shack, I don't think those are sweatpants - too much "structure".

So, yes, maybe he was running out to the car for something. But it wouldn't have been so cold that night that he needed an additional covering for that.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Kat, I don't know what's in the sealed warrant(s) - I think there may be more than one - I don't know if Jason had a temper, and I couldn't care less about ring-swallowing, sunglasses and a red tie.

But I saw the photos from the security camera at **** earlier today, and Jason's attire in those photos raises a lot of questions for me. They say a picture is worth a thousand words, and, in this case, maybe that's true.

I can see the shirt he was wearing at the desk, but, to me (and I think, to others), what he's wearing in the hall photo seems different. It looks like some sort of sweatshirt or hoodie over the shirt in the earlier photo. And shack, I don't think those are sweatpants - too much "structure".

So, yes, maybe he was running out to the car for something. But it wouldn't have been so cold that night that he needed an additional covering for that.

JMO [/*]


Hi Card.......!!

Not sure what pics you saw, this forum has a much higher standard of quality, proof and rules.

But, I didn't read anything in the warrants that can not be explained, and I certainly see no cause for alarm after the amount of time that has passed, and the fact that the GJ met since then and nothing happened.

Today marks the 22nd month, Michelle's killer(s) is still free.

That is my primary concern in this case.

Now, the Cooper case?, I would say Brad's days are numbered.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Hi Card.......!!

Not sure what pics you saw, this forum has a much higher standard of quality, proof and rules.

But, I didn't read anything in the warrants that can not be explained, and I certainly see no cause for alarm after the amount of time that has passed, and the fact that the GJ met since then and nothing happened.

Today marks the 22nd month, Michelle's killer(s) is still free.

That is my primary concern in this case.

Now, the Cooper case?, I would say Brad's days are numbered.

Kat [/*]

It has been 22 months, Kat. 22 months without justice for Michelle and Rylan. How tragic. :rose:

You should take a look at those photos, Kat. IMO, Jason was dressed to be out for a while. I can't say he was driving back to Raleigh, but I can say he was dressed to be out for a while. Where was he going?

JMO

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Cardinal


It has been 22 months, Kat. 22 months without justice for Michelle and Rylan. How tragic. :rose:

You should take a look at those photos, Kat. IMO, Jason was dressed to be out for a while. I can't say he was driving back to Raleigh, but I can say he was dressed to be out for a while. Where was he going?

JMO [/*]

The pictures certainly show that he wasn't just running down to the desk in his comfy lounging clothes. Dressed in heavier clothing, heading towards the exit.... I think the jury will see that he was leaving the hotel but he never used his key card to reenter his room. IMO

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Barbara2


The pictures certainly show that he wasn't just running down to the desk in his comfy lounging clothes. Dressed in heavier clothing, heading towards the exit.... I think the jury will see that he was leaving the hotel but he never used his key card to reenter his room. IMO [/*]

He surely knew there was a camera on the desk so why show himself in different clothing?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by annalyzer


He surely knew there was a camera on the desk so why show himself in different clothing? [/*]

I don't know. It wasn't a very smart move. Perhaps he wanted to be seen to "prove" that he was there and not in Raleigh. Perhaps he wasn't thinking about the recording of the key card. Maybe he didn't realize that there was a camera at the exit door. It will be interesting when all of the evidence is made known at trial. IMO.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Barbara2


The pictures certainly show that he wasn't just running down to the desk in his comfy lounging clothes. Dressed in heavier clothing, heading towards the exit.... I think the jury will see that he was leaving the hotel but he never used his key card to reenter his room. IMO [/*]

The key card bothers me too. I've heard all of the possible explanations, and they have merit, to a point. But after seeing those photos.........

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by annalyzer


He surely knew there was a camera on the desk so why show himself in different clothing? [/*]

I stay in hotels/motels fairly often. For business and personal travel. And I can honestly say it never occurred to me that I was on camera at any time. I think I'll be a lot more careful about my behavior in the future!

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


It has been 22 months, Kat. 22 months without justice for Michelle and Rylan. How tragic. :rose:

You should take a look at those photos, Kat. IMO, Jason was dressed to be out for a while. I can't say he was driving back to Raleigh, but I can say he was dressed to be out for a while. Where was he going?

JMO [/*]\


Or, could he have just had a shower, and put on something warmer on to run down to the car in ?

It is all in the interpretation at this point.

You want Jason to be guilty, then everything is sinister.!!!

From everything he wore to everything he ate, drank, smoked, slept, looked at, talked to, watched on tv, listened to on the radio, read in the newspaper that nite/am,

What I see is his alibi checking out and holding..

He checks in the hotel at approx 10:50, called Michelle sometime soon after that.

Is still in the hotel at a hour later at seconds to midnite.
For all we know there is even later video of him there,
L E released that video to show the contrast of shirts.

How do we know, one shirt is not under the other?

Not everything is sinister, scary and eerie. although the 911 call should have been filled with those emotions, at least one of those emotions..

So,, call Jason guilty, arrest him, convict him, put him on Death Row ?

Nope, not I.

:)

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
\


Or, could he have just had a shower, and put on something warmer on to run down to the car in ?

It is all in the interpretion at this point.

You want Jason to be guilty, then everything is sinister.!!!

From everything he wore to everything he ate, drank, smoked, slept, looked at, talked to, watched on tv, listened to on the radio, read in the newspaper that nite/am,

What I see is his alibi checking out and holding..

He checks in the hotel at approx 10:50, called Michelle sometime soon after that.

Is still in the hotel at a hour later at seconds to midnite.
For all we know there is even later video of him there,
L E released that video to show the contrast of shirts.

How do we know, one shirt is not under the other?

Not everything is sinister, scary and eerie. although the 911 call should have been filled with those emotions, at least one of those emotions..

So,, call Jason guilty, arrest him, convict him, put him on Death Row ?

Nope, not I.

:)

Kat [/*]



Look at the photos, Kat.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal




Look at the photos, Kat. [/*]


I saw them in the warrants.

I am very careful about what sites I visit..

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



I saw them in the warrants.

I am very careful about what sites I visit..

Kat [/*]

Okay, so you saw them in the warrants. How would you describe Jason's clothing? In for the night, or out for a while?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I stay in hotels/motels fairly often. For business and personal travel. And I can honestly say it never occurred to me that I was on camera at any time. I think I'll be a lot more careful about my behavior in the future!

JMO [/*]

There are usually cameras anywhere where there are money transactions.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by annalyzer


There are usually cameras anywhere where there are money transactions. [/*]

I know that now. But even so, I wouldn't have thought about hallways. Maybe Jason didn't either.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Okay, so you saw them in the warrants. How would you describe Jason's clothing? In for the night, or out for a while? [/*]


Again, in the interpretation..

What was the temp that nite?

We know it was cold in Raleigh, and Va. is farther north.

So, he grabs a shower, wants something from his car, and throws on a heavier shirt.

Does Jason smoke?

Did he need to go outside to use his cell phone?

Answer me this, why is a man who is ready to go kill someone that lives almost 3 hours away, hang around the hotel for another hour?

He is already on camera, he has interacted with the desk clerk.
He made his alibi.

Hampton Inn's aren't all that, you know.

They only have 4 floors, some have a bar and a pool, some have a lounge/restaurant.

There is one on the hghwy, about 4-5 miles out of AC, I keep saying I am going to check it out, they just look small to me.

:shrug:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I know that now. But even so, I wouldn't have thought about hallways. Maybe Jason didn't either.

JMO [/*]


It is more than that.

It is for security reasons.

Robberies and other crimes.

I guess I am just used to AC, everything is on camera in the casinos, elevators, restaurants, etc.

:shrug:
Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Again, in the interpretation..

What was the temp that nite?

We know it was cold in Raleigh, and Va. is farther north.

So, he grabs a shower, wants something from his car, and throws on a heavier shirt.

Does Jason smoke?

Did he need to go outside to use his cell phone?

Answer me this, why is a man who is ready to go kill someone that lives almost 3 hours away, hang around the hotel for another hour?

He is already on camera, he has interacted with the desk clerk.
He made his alibi.

Hampton Inn's aren't all that, you know.

They only have 4 floors, some have a bar and a pool, some have a lounge/restaurant.

There is one on the hghwy, about 4-5 miles out of AC, I keep saying I am going to check it out, they just look small to me.

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

LOL I don't think you'll be asked to do advertisements for Hampton Inns!

I don't know if Jason smokes, but most hotels still have smoking rooms. And I haven't had a problem using my cell in hotel rooms in years.

Hillsville VA isn't so much farther north that the temp would vary greatly in November.

And why would Jason need an alibi?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I know that now. But even so, I wouldn't have thought about hallways. Maybe Jason didn't either.

JMO [/*]

He was seen on camera at the hotel that he was staying at. What LE need to do is place him back home that night.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Cardinal



And why would Jason need an alibi? [/*]

LOL Oops!

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by annalyzer


He was seen on camera at the hotel that he was staying at. What LE need to do is place him back home that night. [/*]

I agree. And unless the print in the blood spatter can do that, I don't think they can.

JMO

[Cardinal]

That's all for me tonight.

Have a good one, everybody. :seeya:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by annalyzer


LOL Oops! [/*]


Yep, you are right, I will concede.

I would feel much better if the photos of Jason seconds to

midnite had him wearing his Batman p'j's and bunny slippers, and

buying a snack from the nearby vending machine.

:biggrin:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by annalyzer


He was seen on camera at the hotel that he was staying at. What LE need to do is place him back home that night. [/*]


Exactly!!

Being at the hotel is where Jason was "supposed" to be..

Certain places @ certain times!!

Now, put him in a car entering the hghwy headed back to Raleigh!

That is where he is not "supposed " to be.!!

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal
That's all for me tonight.

Have a good one, everybody. :seeya: [/*]


Nite Card.

I am headed out too.

:seeya:
Kat

[Lynne]

Originally posted by agathachristie


So, how come he didn't go back to his room after being recorded on camera in different clothes at midnight at the front desk? [/*]

Because he headed straight back to his home on Birchleaf Drive to murder Michelle. IMO.

[shack]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Kat, I don't know what's in the sealed warrant(s) - I think there may be more than one - I don't know if Jason had a temper, and I couldn't care less about ring-swallowing, sunglasses and a red tie.

But I saw the photos from the security camera at Scout's earlier today, and Jason's attire in those photos raises a lot of questions for me. They say a picture is worth a thousand words, and, in this case, maybe that's true.

I can see the shirt he was wearing at the desk, but, to me (and I think, to others), what he's wearing in the hall photo seems different. It looks like some sort of sweatshirt or hoodie over the shirt in the earlier photo. And shack, I don't think those are sweatpants - too much "structure".

So, yes, maybe he was running out to the car for something. But it wouldn't have been so cold that night that he needed an additional covering for that.

JMO [/*]

Card, its the same shirt. Just a big loose shirt I would say probably a dark grey in color. We put the photos through a clean up photo shop here and it is for sure the same shirt. Le keeps saying dark in color I would say med dark at the most.

[shack]

Originally posted by awareness


While apparently some may need help with reading comprehension.... Its very clear to me who the SUSPECT is and yes, its the Jason Lynn Young you've been so keen on supporting and defending all these months.




lol we KNOW what you see.

Question is, what does LE see and clearly they are seeing Jason Lynn Young.

JMO/IMO [/*]

They couldn't be seeing him to clearly or he would be under arrest.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by agathachristie
Man, the batman pajamas and bunny slipper comment vanished in a whisper!

Good decision. I was ready to follow up with Cassidy perhaps clad in her Wonder Woman pajamas and bunny slippers.
Sweet child. Innocent and so unaware of the horror to come in the morning.

Her life is forever changed.

Justice for her mother and family. :rose: [/*]


My post is still there.

Hope this helps.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Neo
Wow. I imagined this board would be going nuts today with thenew pics!! I guess they speak for themselves and there really isn't much to say? [/*]


What new pics?

Are you guys okay?

They have pics of Jason in Raleigh now?

Link, please?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Lynne


Because he headed straight back to his home on Birchleaf Drive to murder Michelle. IMO. [/*]


How do we know that there are not stairwells near the exits?

There are only 4 floors, not 40...

Anyone know where the stairs were located?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by shack


Card, its the same shirt. Just a big loose shirt I would say probably a dark grey in color. We put the photos through a clean up photo shop here and it is for sure the same shirt. Le keeps saying dark in color I would say med dark at the most. [/*]


Is it the same shirt then?

:confused:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Neo



ITA. No footage of him returning is there? [/*]



How do we know what other footage there is?

The video released shows timestamp photos, if there was only the one near 11:00 pm, there would be some room to play with, but the other one showing him there seconds to midnite, makes it harder and harder to make the timeframe fit.

Keep trying.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Neo
Wow. I imagined this board would be going nuts today with the new pics!! I guess they speak for themselves and there really isn't much to say? [/*]


I am not getting this.

The pics show Jason exactly where he said he was, and exactly where he was supposed to be..

The pics came out over 2 weeks ago, what is it we are supposed to be afraid of?

:confused:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Neo


ITA. It looked like dark, warm clothing. He was heading somewhere, thats for sure, not just running out to his car. [/*]


How do you know this?

:rolleyes:

Kat

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Neo
Wow. I imagined this board would be going nuts today with thenew pics!! I guess they speak for themselves and there really isn't much to say? [/*]

He's carrying a bottle of soda and a book to read?

[Kat4Eagles]

If you do a search on the Hampton Inn, Hillsville, they have a pool, a fitness center, a whirlpool, restaurant and lounge, and self parking.

No valet parking.!!

There is a McD's directly behind it.

I don't know what time they are open to..

So, did Jason do any of those things?

Swim, workout, read in the lounge, go get a hamburger with fries?

Did he talk to anyone, how did he act?

Did he have an wake~up call?

Jason left home at approx 8pm, got to the hotel and checked in at 10:50, taking almost the 3 hours (we) allotted him.

A hour later we know he is still there.

And, if there is even a later video, you got to give it up.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by annalyzer


He's carrying a bottle of soda and a book to read? [/*]


But,even that has to be suspicious too.

Sinister, scary, eerie, and evil.

Imagine someone doing normal things like that.

:rolleyes:

Kat

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Neo


ITA. It looked like dark, warm clothing. He was heading somewhere, thats for sure, not just running out to his car. [/*]First pictures i saw posted earlier today at scout`s, the poster suggested Jason was wearing cargo or hunting pants and duck boots[ looks like the photograph of boots has now been removed]. a couple poster went as far as to say,he looks like he is dressed to go hunting, I just looked and it appears the same poster now confesses,to using photo software to make these photo`s clearer and now he is back to, round toe casual shoes and very casual trousers.
Geez how fast things changes there.

Cardinal have you been back over to see how posts and picture of duck boots have been deleted. I have no idea why maybe someone can tell us.:shrug:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by onederwomyn


So, someone beat her with a shoe from her husband's closet? That would be poor planning, as it seems it may take a while to kill someone with a shoe...especially one that isn't a high heel or something of that nature. If this was premeditated, logic tells me the murder weapon was not a shoe.

Also, I did not mean ANY size 12 shoe. I believe from reading the s/w, that the size 12 shoe sole/pattern was only on 3 different shoes that are now discontinued and they have a receipt showing that JY or MY purchased one of those 3 types that match the pattern. Now discontinued size 12s is pretty specific, IMO. [/*]

The style is what is discontinued, not the size.

The fact it was an unsuccessful strangulation is also an indication it was very poor "planning."

:rolleyes:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Kat, I don't know what's in the sealed warrant(s) - I think there may be more than one - I don't know if Jason had a temper, and I couldn't care less about ring-swallowing, sunglasses and a red tie.

But I saw the photos from the security camera at Scout's earlier today, and Jason's attire in those photos raises a lot of questions for me. They say a picture is worth a thousand words, and, in this case, maybe that's true.

I can see the shirt he was wearing at the desk, but, to me (and I think, to others), what he's wearing in the hall photo seems different. It looks like some sort of sweatshirt or hoodie over the shirt in the earlier photo. And shack, I don't think those are sweatpants - too much "structure".

So, yes, maybe he was running out to the car for something. But it wouldn't have been so cold that night that he needed an additional covering for that.

JMO [/*]

wow. You really believe Jason was at the front desk and 33 seconds later had changed into another shirt as he headed down that first floor hallway? And you can see through the top shirt to the shirt underneath? And it's a hoodie? You can see that, too? GMAB. Your desperation to convict this man is getting pretty absurd, imvho.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Celiarun


~snipped~ Your desperation to convict this man is getting pretty absurd, imvho. [/*]

Celiarun, I have told you before that I do not require your assistance in stating my position with regard to this case. :no:

To be perfectly clear:

While it appears that all of the known information points strongly to Jason Young, unless/until Jason Young is indicted, unless/until there is a trial through which all of LE's evidence is made known, and unless/until Jason Young is convicted of murdering his wife and unborn child, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Hope this helps.

[JHP]

Originally posted by Celiarun


wow. You really believe Jason was at the front desk and 33 seconds later had changed into another shirt as he headed down that first floor hallway? And you can see through the top shirt to the shirt underneath? And it's a hoodie? You can see that, too? GMAB. Your desperation to convict this man is getting pretty absurd, imvho. [/*]

Since these were different cameras, the time stamps might be off slightly. That is something That I hope LE checked on when they were at the hotel.

JMO

[Barbara2]

I really think that the shirt you see him in at the desk is the same shirt he is wearing 33 seconds later. It just looked lighter in color under the lights at the desk. If you look closely, you can see the stripe across the chest. I made the same mistake in thinking that it was a different shirt. But it is definitely not the same shirt that he was wearing when he checked in. IMO

[luna24]

Looks like Linda Fisher only gets to see Cassidy once a year at her daycare. :(

I haven't been following this case as closely as some -- has there been indication that Michelle's mom would like to see her more (and maybe in NY?) but that hasn't been allowed? Or does she not feel comfortable visiting the child with JY and family around?

Fisher retired in June 2006 after teaching high school math on Long Island, N.Y., for 33 years. She visited North Carolina at least once a month after Cassidy was born.

"I would just have to see her," Fisher said. "I needed my fix."

Now, Fisher spends much of her time reading the Bible. She keeps a journal and regularly talks with the detectives assigned to her daughter's case. She's getting a lot of support from friends and "a big, gigantic, Italian family."

Jason Young has custody of Cassidy. They are staying at his mother's home in Brevard.

Linda Fisher is left with a yearly visit to her granddaughter's day care in the western part of the state.

"She is the love of our life," Fisher said. "When I am around her, I feel a part of Michelle."

Ugh, my heart goes out to that poor woman and her family. :(

http://www.newsobserver.com/2810/story/1204075.html

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Neo


Its horrible. Hopefully there will be justice soon and Cassidy will get to spend more time with her mother's loving family. [/*]


There has to be a reason that we may not be aware of for this.

Just as I am sure there is another reason for the headstone, if Michelle's family purchased the plot..then how could Jason do anything?

We don't know what happened in the days following the murder, or what, if any, accusations were made.

But, we do know, that C is loved and being raised by her Dad, and we do know that L E would not entrust her care to someone who would put her in any danger.

There has to be other reasons we don't know about behind the scenes in this case.

Remember, Jason took C to visit with her maternal grandfather.

:shrug:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by luna24
Looks like Linda Fisher only gets to see Cassidy once a year at her daycare. :(

I haven't been following this case as closely as some -- has there been indication that Michelle's mom would like to see her more (and maybe in NY?) but that hasn't been allowed? Or does she not feel comfortable visiting the child with JY and family around?



Ugh, my heart goes out to that poor woman and her family. :(

http://www.newsobserver.com/2810/story/1204075.html [/*]

Ps. Thank you for the link.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Celiarun


wow. You really believe Jason was at the front desk and 33 seconds later had changed into another shirt as he headed down that first floor hallway? And you can see through the top shirt to the shirt underneath? And it's a hoodie? You can see that, too? GMAB. Your desperation to convict this man is getting pretty absurd, imvho. [/*]


Most of this case seems to be now in desperate stages.

A rock to hold a door open=murder.???

What if the doors are for emergency exits only and have alarms on them?

Do they allow re~entry after a certain time?

Would someone put a rock there at seconds close to midnite and expect it to be there hours later when they returned?

What about a wake~up call?
Did Jason require one?
If so, did he pick up ?

Are the stairs by the doors, or closer to the elevators?

Not like he had to climb 40 floors to get back to his room.

:shrug:
Kat

[enigma™]

Originally posted by kingcole
Okay, I'll wonder....if no one else is going to....

I wonder how that guy on the other board got the new photos?


==Kingcole [/*]

Are they new? I suppose if you give up your boycott, I reckon you could ask him yourself.

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by luna24
Looks like Linda Fisher only gets to see Cassidy once a year at her daycare. :(

I haven't been following this case as closely as some -- has there been indication that Michelle's mom would like to see her more (and maybe in NY?) but that hasn't been allowed? Or does she not feel comfortable visiting the child with JY and family around?



Ugh, my heart goes out to that poor woman and her family. :(

http://www.newsobserver.com/2810/story/1204075.html [/*]Thanks for the link,sad so many families have to go through this kind of horror. Like Kat, i also think there is good reason Jason has chosen restricted visitation with FL and IM00, it has something to do with MF.
A couple of other article`s caught my eye when i went to the link
and it certainly points out why the good people in and around the triangle area has big problems in trust of their LE and afraid to cooperate even with a attorney.


http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1204190.html
SBI inquiry looks at tampering with DWI cases
SMITHFIELD - The State Bureau of Investigation has seized dozens of files on dismissed impaired driving cases to examine for evidence of tampering, a special prosecutor with the state Attorney General's Office told a judge Tuesday
..................................
Ex-sheriff will be sentenced in October

In May, a federal jury found Medford and Penland guilty of charges including extorting bribes from illegal video gambling operators and money laundering. They each face as long as 170 years in prison.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by kingcole


No boycott, Enigma. Those guys just don't like me.
Yeah, I know you're surprised. I don't really care
how he got the photos....just curious why no one
else is curious.

==Kingcole [/*]

Now now, what reason have you given for them not to like you? Was it that you called them all a bunch of drunks? You seem to be the only one questioning where the photos came from, or how they came to be had, so ask the person who posted them. But this really has nothing to do with the murder of Michelle and Rylan.

22 months today they took their last breaths on this earth. 22 months with their murderer wandering free. 22 months too long.

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN! The sooner the better.

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Neo
Snipped:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
Thanks for the link,sad so many families have to go through this kind of horror. Like Kat, i also think there is good reason Jason has chosen restricted visitation with FL and IM00, it has something to do with MF.
QUOTE]

ITA. IMO, The Fishers have a very strong suspicion that Jason murdered their lovely Michelle. Jason knows they know he did it.

I think we are going to find out they are have suspected correctly.

JMO [/*]Neo,no one, knows Jason did it but if you are correct then LF chose suspicion of guilt,which she must have voiced verbally, over her granddaughter.moo

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Neo


Jason made all the choices FOR the Fisher's when he murdered her daughter and now witholds her grandaugther from her.

JMO [/*] I disagree and the sad thing if Jason is innocent, which i think he is, she loses and Cassidy loses..Apparentlly AF made a wise choice and was able 2 enjoy a relationship with his granddaughter.May he rest in peace.:rose:

[Kat4Eagles]

I know we hit on this before, but for a long time I was under the

impression that Michelle was found on the floor, because we

talked about how she may have been scrunched close to the

closet and could not fight back, but then an article

will say she was found in bed which goes against the 911 call,

where her only sister asks C if she fell.:confused:

That would also defy all logic that her only sister could not turn her over in bed, I always thought MF was trying to lift her off the floor to turn her over, when in reality if Michelle was in bed, she should have been able to do so.

Besides, how could Michelle fall and land in bed?

And, then I thought the pillow was on the floor, because it got

stepped on, unless the pillow was in the bed and the killer

jumped on it wearing 2 different shoes?.....

The 911 call and the crime scene do not match.

very :confused:

Kat

[enigma™]

Originally posted by kingcole


So I take it you're not curious. Hmmm. I find that curious.
And why are you hanging out with a dunch of brunks? Hmmm.
Why am I not curious?

I applaud your last comment. Too long. And you're right. Keep the focus on the homicide.

==Kingcole [/*]

No, I can't say I'm curious. I was just happy to see them out there. Some posters have access to things I do not, and I appreciate their efforts and the fact they put it out there for all to see.

I don't hang with those you call a "dunch of brunks". I read all the forums, I post here.

Justice for Michelle and Rylan! Perhaps the DA will present this case next week.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

(snipped for bandwidth and whatnot)

The 911 call and the crime scene do not match.

very :confused:

Kat [/*]

How do you know this?

[shack]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
I know we hit on this before, but for a long time I was under the

impression that Michelle was found on the floor, because we

talked about how she may have been scrunched close to the

closet and could not fight back, but then an article

will say she was found in bed which goes against the 911 call,

where her only sister asks C if she fell.:confused:

That would also defy all logic that her only sister could not turn her over in bed, I always thought MF was trying to lift her off the floor to turn her over, when in reality if Michelle was in bed, she should have been able to do so.

Besides, how could Michelle fall and land in bed?

And, then I thought the pillow was on the floor, because it got

stepped on, unless the pillow was in the bed and the killer

jumped on it wearing 2 different shoes?.....

The 911 call and the crime scene do not match.

very :confused:

Kat [/*]

A lot of this case is confusing. I've read where the family was taking shoes out of the closet and comparing them to the footprints. LE should have taken every pair of shoes in that house. 2 bloody footprints and LE leave shoes behind. What was the family comparing the shoes to did LE leave the pillow or was there other bloody prints? If there was other bloody prints why didn't LE cut the carpet they were on and take them? The body is on the floor the body is on the bed the child is in the room the child is watching TV. A lot of conflicting stories. I wonder if the truth will ever be known. And then that 911 call and her saying I just moved a pillow. To me that one sentence speaks volumes.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
I know we hit on this before, but for a long time I was under the

impression that Michelle was found on the floor, because we

talked about how she may have been scrunched close to the

closet and could not fight back, but then an article

will say she was found in bed which goes against the 911 call,

where her only sister asks C if she fell.:confused:

That would also defy all logic that her only sister could not turn her over in bed, I always thought MF was trying to lift her off the floor to turn her over, when in reality if Michelle was in bed, she should have been able to do so.

Besides, how could Michelle fall and land in bed?

And, then I thought the pillow was on the floor, because it got

stepped on, unless the pillow was in the bed and the killer

jumped on it wearing 2 different shoes?.....

The 911 call and the crime scene do not match.

very :confused:

Kat [/*]

Where did it say she was in bed? I think she was on the floor next to the bed but I don't believe it was in a tight space, too tight to be able to roll her over. No picking up necessary, just roll over, should have been possible no matter how stiff the body was. I always thought it was strange that MF had not checked on her sister's condition before she dialed 911. Her tone of voice throughout the call, her not recognizing a murder had occurred are a couple of other things I found very odd. Her "Oh my God" utterings at the beginning of the call don't match what was said and her voice inflections in the rest of the call.

But Jason, as far as we know, sent her over there.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by shack
A lot of this case is confusing. I've read where the family was taking shoes out of the closet and comparing them to the footprints. LE should have taken every pair of shoes in that house. 2 bloody footprints and LE leave shoes behind. What was the family comparing the shoes to did LE leave the pillow or was there other bloody prints? If there was other bloody prints why didn't LE cut the carpet they were on and take them? The body is on the floor the body is on the bed the child is in the room the child is watching TV. A lot of conflicting stories. I wonder if the truth will ever be known. And then that 911 call and her saying I just moved a pillow. To me that one sentence speaks volumes.

I'm sorry, but this post does not appear to come from the analytical mind of someone going to law school. Impartial? I am not seeing it here. A case study? I think not.

Do not worry about the truth, it will be coming to a courthouse in NC. Does your professor expect you to stick with this assignment throughout the semester? Longer? Law students have so many cases and laws to study, I do not understand the continued interest in this particular case, especially since there has been no arrest.

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN!

[enigma™]

Originally posted by annalyzer
Where did it say she was in bed? (snipped to address this question)

But Jason, as far as we know, sent her over there.

I believe it was stated in an article that Michelle was in the bed. As you know, those articles are only good for the JII's if it serves the purpose of a particular post, otherwise it is considered a "rag" or a gossip paper, or whatever the descriptive du jour may be. :rolleyes:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Celiarun, I have told you before that I do not require your assistance in stating my position with regard to this case. :no:

To be perfectly clear:

While it appears that all of the known information points strongly to Jason Young, unless/until Jason Young is indicted, unless/until there is a trial through which all of LE's evidence is made known, and unless/until Jason Young is convicted of murdering his wife and unborn child, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Hope this helps. [/*]

Cardinal, you seem to me to be very desperate to convict Jason Young and/or his sister. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, it just seems to be based on wishful thinking rather than facts. :shrug:

[Wyn]

Originally posted by kingcole


No boycott, Enigma. Those guys just don't like me.
Yeah, I know you're surprised. I don't really care
how he got the photos....just curious why no one
else is curious.

==Kingcole [/*]

Most people don't really care how he got the photos. The rest of us know. Seems you're the only one who's curious. But then, you're the only one here who's Jason's "bud".

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Most of this case seems to be now in desperate stages.

A rock to hold a door open=murder.???

What if the doors are for emergency exits only and have alarms on them?

Do they allow re~entry after a certain time?

Would someone put a rock there at seconds close to midnite and expect it to be there hours later when they returned?

What about a wake~up call?
Did Jason require one?
If so, did he pick up ?

Are the stairs by the doors, or closer to the elevators?

Not like he had to climb 40 floors to get back to his room.

:shrug:
Kat [/*]

In the Hampton Inn I frequently stay, the stairwell is right next to the first floor exit. The elevators are near the lobby.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by shack


A lot of this case is confusing. I've read where the family was taking shoes out of the closet and comparing them to the footprints. LE should have taken every pair of shoes in that house. 2 bloody footprints and LE leave shoes behind. What was the family comparing the shoes to did LE leave the pillow or was there other bloody prints? If there was other bloody prints why didn't LE cut the carpet they were on and take them? The body is on the floor the body is on the bed the child is in the room the child is watching TV. A lot of conflicting stories. I wonder if the truth will ever be known. And then that 911 call and her saying I just moved a pillow. To me that one sentence speaks volumes. [/*]

Hopefully there will be an arrest soon and maybe we'll learn the truth. iirc from the discussion about the footprint the family saw, it was on the tile floor in the master bath.

[shack]

Originally posted by Celiarun


In the Hampton Inn I frequently stay, the stairwell is right next to the first floor exit. The elevators are near the lobby. [/*]

I have read where someone is curious as to what if there is a photo of Mr. Young leaving the motel the next morning. Is there some way to find out if there is such a photo?

[shack]

Originally posted by Wyn


Most people don't really care how he got the photos. The rest of us know. Seems you're the only one who's curious. But then, you're the only one here who's Jason's "bud". [/*]

Well we all know that he got them from either LE or the Fishers. Those would be the only 2 sources for them. If its LE I don't see why they don't call a press conference and show all the photos they have. Maybe even one of him leaving the motel on the morning of the murder. I am sure he is standing at the same front desk to get his receipt. So why not show all the photos?

[shack]

Originally posted by enigma™


I'm sorry, but this post does not appear to come from the analytical mind of someone going to law school. Impartial? I am not seeing it here. A case study? I think not.

Do not worry about the truth, it will be coming to a courthouse in NC. Does your professor expect you to stick with this assignment throughout the semester? Longer? Law students have so many cases and laws to study, I do not understand the continued interest in this particular case, especially since there has been no arrest.

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN! [/*]

You sure seem to be awfully interested in what I am doing. I don't see why all the interest.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by shack


Well we all know that he got them from either LE or the Fishers. Those would be the only 2 sources for them. If its LE I don't see why they don't call a press conference and show all the photos they have. Maybe even one of him leaving the motel on the morning of the murder. I am sure he is standing at the same front desk to get his receipt. So why not show all the photos? [/*]

Aren't they the same photos as in the sw but enhanced?

[shack]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Hopefully there will be an arrest soon and maybe we'll learn the truth. iirc from the discussion about the footprint the family saw, it was on the tile floor in the master bath. [/*]

Would that be the same tiles they didn't measure till months later?

[enigma™]

Originally posted by shack
You sure seem to be awfully interested in what I am doing. I don't see why all the interest.

Do not confuse my pointing out the error of your ways with my being interested in what you are doing. It is painfully obvious what you are not doing, and that is attending law school.

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Aren't they the same photos as in the sw but enhanced? [/*]

I think so. Now a public document. LE would have no reason to release more photos just to some poster on an obscure blog.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by shack


You sure seem to be awfully interested in what I am doing. I don't see why all the interest. [/*]

The goal is to derail the forum and get it closed. Best to ignore.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by shack


Would that be the same tiles they didn't measure till months later? [/*]

iirc, that print was seen in the master bath. The tiles LE measured were in the hallway bath.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by shack


I have read where someone is curious as to what if there is a photo of Mr. Young leaving the motel the next morning. Is there some way to find out if there is such a photo? [/*]

Yep,

I'm waiting to see the photo of him leaving the next morning.

More like him slinking back in, with yet a third set of clothes on. :biggrin:

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by enigma™


How do you know this? [/*]


How do you know it matches or does not, when all that we have read states that Michelle's only sister walked into the bloodiest, goriest,horrific homicide in years and yet, showed no fear?

:shrug:
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Where did it say she was in bed? I think she was on the floor next to the bed but I don't believe it was in a tight space, too tight to be able to roll her over. No picking up necessary, just roll over, should have been possible no matter how stiff the body was. I always thought it was strange that MF had not checked on her sister's condition before she dialed 911. Her tone of voice throughout the call, her not recognizing a murder had occurred are a couple of other things I found very odd. Her "Oh my God" utterings at the beginning of the call don't match what was said and her voice inflections in the rest of the call.

But Jason, as far as we know, sent her over there. [/*]


In the article that was just posted here

It states that Michelle was found laying in her bed in a pool of blood.

:confused:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by enigma™


<snipped>

Justice for Michelle and Rylan! Perhaps the DA will present this case next week. [/*]


Next week?

Time is running out.........59 days left...

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Celiarun


In the Hampton Inn I frequently stay, the stairwell is right next to the first floor exit. The elevators are near the lobby. [/*]


So, Jason could have been headed for the stairs?

There is no video we know of that shows him actually leaving the property.

Now, if Jason was found at a Marriot, or a Holiday Inn, instead of the Hampton, then he would have lied.

Tape shows him exactly where he was supposed to be...and exactly where he said he was.

Kat

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Next week?

Time is running out.........59 days left...

Kat [/*]

This is FALSE!

There is no statute of limitations on Murder!

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by shack


Would that be the same tiles they didn't measure till months later? [/*]


Yep.....:biggrin:................... only this time they brought a ruler.


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


This is FALSE!

There is no statute of limitations on Murder!

Swabby [/*]

59 days left until the case becomes 2 years old, goes into the cold case file in the basement, and the limitation in filing a civil /wrongful death suit.

Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



So, Jason could have been headed for the stairs?

There is no video we know of that shows him actually leaving the property.

Now, if Jason was found at a Marriot, or a Holiday Inn, instead of the Hampton, then he would have lied.

Tape shows him exactly where he was supposed to be...and exactly where he said he was.

Kat [/*]

Most likely he was headed for the stairs. There doesn't seem to be any video showing Jason leaving the building or returning down that hallway in the opposite direction. Even if he had propped the door with a rock, there would have been security video of Jason returning.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Yep.....:biggrin:................... only this time they brought a ruler.


Kat [/*]

I wouldn't start celebrating yet.

Hardly any murder investigation is perfect.

In the SP case, the batteries were dead in the tape recorder when LE did one of their interviews.

Didn't change a thing in the grand scheme of things tho.

I have a feeling we will be seeing many more pics of Jason at the Hotel. Lots of cameras, he may very well have been 'at certain places at certain times", but what about those ALL important pics, that show him back on the 3rd floor, right after midnight?

Can't wait to see those.

:biggrin:

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Yep,

I'm waiting to see the photo of him leaving the next morning.

More like him slinking back in, with yet a third set of clothes on. :biggrin:

MOO

Swabby [/*]

So, do you really think Jason came back to the hotel.?
Think about this now.

NY Post delivery man puts a car there at 4-5 am..

Jason would get back to the hotel somewhere between 7-8am.

Taking a big chance on being seen, especially if he had any scratches or marks on him.

People waking up, leaving, packing their cars, having breakfast in the lounge, restaurant.

People reading the morning papers in the lobby, and in walks Jason looking like the Dark Knight.

No sleep,and 3 hours commuting after committing one of the most brutal murders in NC ever.

Just shrugs it off, goes into the hotel, back in his room gets his pre~planned wake ~up call, then strolls in the lobby, wishing everyone a happy day and goes on to his meeting.

:rolleyes:

Kat

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


59 days left until the case becomes 2 years old, goes into the cold case file in the basement, and the limitation in filing a civil /wrongful death suit.

Kat [/*]

Link Please to ANYthing that says that Wake County LE considers a case "cold" and "puts it in a basement" after 24 months. TIA

Ridiculous! IMO

Swabby

Besides, all inquiries are now to be referred to the DA's Office, sounds far from cold to me.

MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


I wouldn't start celebrating yet.

Hardly any murder investigation is perfect.

In the SP case, the batteries were dead in the tape recorder when LE did one of their interviews.

Didn't change a thing in the grand scheme of things tho.

I have a feeling we will be seeing many more pics of Jason at the Hotel. Lots of cameras, he may very well have been 'at certain places at certain times", but what about those ALL important pics, that show him back on the 3rd floor, right after midnight?

Can't wait to see those.

:biggrin:

MOO

Swabby [/*]

Swabby,, I am not celebrating anything...

I am trying to piece things together.

The SP case only took 4 months for an arrest, and even those were 4 long dragging months until Laci was found.

This case has a body that was found immediately.

That is why T O D is going to be so crucial.

It should rule someone in or someone out completely.

I don't know if there are more pics of Jason @ the Hampton, but if there is another one later than midnite, watch the timeline shrink and scrunch even more until it no longer fits.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Link Please to ANYthing that says that Wake County LE considers a case "cold" and "puts it in a basement" after 24 months. TIA

Ridiculous! IMO

Swabby

Besides, all inquiries are now to be referred to the DA's Office, sounds far from cold to me.

MOO [/*]

N C looks like it has a lot of murder cases to solve..

At least, Cooper might wrap up fast, Brad had some visible scratches on his neck..

See, that is the kind I proof I need...

Kat

ETA And, for your invisible line...
The Cooper case is referring to the DA too, you think there are double indictments ready to go then?

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


N C looks like it has a lot of murder cases to solve..

At least, Cooper might wrap up fast, Brad had some visible scratches on his neck..

See, that is the kind I proof I need...

Kat

ETA And, for your invisible line...
The Cooper case is referring to the DA too, you think there are double indictments ready to go then? [/*]

As a matter of fact, I think that both arrests are imminent.

I wouldn't be surprised if there is a "photo finish" on the timeline for the perp walks.

MOO

Swabby

Then, just to double back and grab Raven Abaroa.

Psst... No such thing as an invisible line, IF there was, you couldn't see it.:D

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
How do you know it matches or does not, when all that we have read states that Michelle's only sister walked into the bloodiest, goriest,horrific homicide in years and yet, showed no fear?

:shrug:
Kat

Once again, you fail to answer a direct question. You do not know that Meredith had no fear. You know nothing. You speculate, as we all do. Unless you have a link for your misinformation, please state it as your opinion. Otherwise, I will believe you are trying to derail the conversation and get this thread shut down. MUO

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN!

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
Next week?

Time is running out.........59 days left...

Kat

There is no statute of limitations on murder. :rolleyes:

ETA: I see Swabby handled this statement of misinformation, but it bears repeating.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by 5swab5
Link Please to ANYthing that says that Wake County LE considers a case "cold" and "puts it in a basement" after 24 months. TIA

Ridiculous! IMO

Swabby

Besides, all inquiries are now to be referred to the DA's Office, sounds far from cold to me.

MOO

This link does not exist, but in the mind of Kat. Justice will prevail.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


As a matter of fact, I think that both arrests are imminent.

I wouldn't be surprised if there is a "photo finish" on the timeline for the perp walks.

MOO

Swabby

Then, just to double back and grab Raven Abaroa.

Psst... No such thing as an invisible line, IF there was, you couldn't see it.:D [/*]


Cooper case, maybe, but not this one.

Someone accidentally put the year as 09 here on our thread, do you think that is an omen that we will still be here then?

Still arguing over the murder and whodoneit?

3 Super Bowls, 2 World Series, 1 National Championship later, and we still won't know who killed Michelle or why.

:shrug:
Kat

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
DELETE - take it to the sports thread
and we still won't know who killed Michelle or why.

Kat

Some know the answer to both and others remain blind to the obvious. :rolleyes:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by enigma™


Once again, you fail to answer a direct question. You do not know that Meredith had no fear. You know nothing. You speculate, as we all do. Unless you have a link for your misinformation, please state it as your opinion. Otherwise, I will believe you are trying to derail the conversation and get this thread shut down. MUO

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN! [/*]

What's gotten the board shut down in the past is the attacks on other poster's opinions that don't agree with your opinion.

The only fear Meredith's voice displayed was a fear of touching her sister. That's MY opinion.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Cooper case, maybe, but not this one.

Someone accidentally put the year as 09 here on our thread, do you think that is an omen that we will still be here then?

Still arguing over the murder and whodoneit?

3 Super Bowls, 2 World Series, 1 National Championship later, and we still won't know who killed Michelle or why.

:shrug:
Kat [/*]

The "WE" in your post is not a collective "we".

LE knows,

Linda Knows,

Meredith knows,

I know,

And so do a great many others.

Call it intuition, if you wish, but if I have to make every excuse in the book for the way someone did this, that and the other, I start to take notice.

100s of coincidences are not lost on trained LE officers either. Lucky for us that the perps always make mistakes.

Jason should have really kept his mouth shut, but NO...he just HAD to establish that alibi in Va. (Remember Scott and his Marina ticket? Bet he wishes he had that smooth move back.)

Anyway, IF Jason had made them dig around to find out where he was, most probably the tapes would have been "taped over". Ergo, no video of the 'exhausted" one prowling the hallways of the Hampton in the middle of the night...in different clothes.

Looks to me like in that video that he is getting something from the desk "person" @ about midnight. What else, but a receipt? Once again, that employee might have forgotten IF it had taken a week or so for LE to show up, but they got to talk to them real soon, because of Jason's "alibi" receipt. Thanks Jason!

See, the little things.


^^^^^^^
ALL Mine!

Swabby

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Celiarun
What's gotten the board shut down in the past is the attacks on other poster's opinions that don't agree with your opinion.

The only fear Meredith's voice displayed was a fear of touching her sister. That's MY opinion.

I can state as a FACT, that I have never been the cause of this board being shut down.

I suppose you have no fear of touching a dead body. Figures. :rolleyes:

MUO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by enigma™


Once again, you fail to answer a direct question. You do not know that Meredith had no fear. You know nothing. You speculate, as we all do. Unless you have a link for your misinformation, please state it as your opinion. Otherwise, I will believe you are trying to derail the conversation and get this thread shut down. MUO

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN! [/*]

Do you hear fear in Michelle's only sister's voice?
Do you hear her running around from room to room to make sure the killer or some kind of dangerous situation is not still there?
Do you hear her tell the 911 operator that she needs to leave the home to get C away from the bloody scene to another safer location?

I didn't think so, I didn't either.
:shrug:
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by enigma™


This link does not exist, but in the mind of Kat. Justice will prevail. [/*]

what year?

:sigh:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by agathachristie


It is all yours, Swabby ! Clear, concise, no baloney.
Great post!

MOO Aggie [/*]

Were you able to find my post ?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


The "WE" in your post is not a collective "we".

LE knows,

Linda Knows,

Meredith knows,

I know,

And so do a great many others.

Call it intuition, if you wish, but if I have to make every excuse in the book for the way someone did this, that and the other, I start to take notice.

100s of coincidences are not lost on trained LE officers either. Lucky for us that the perps always make mistakes.

Jason should have really kept his mouth shut, but NO...he just HAD to establish that alibi in Va. (Remember Scott and his Marina ticket? Bet he wishes he had that smooth move back.)

Anyway, IF Jason had made them dig around to find out where he was, most probably the tapes would have been "taped over". Ergo, no video of the 'exhausted" one prowling the hallways of the Hampton in the middle of the night...in different clothes.

Looks to me like in that video that he is getting something from the desk "person" @ about midnight. What else, but a receipt? Once again, that employee might have forgotten IF it had taken a week or so for LE to show up, but they got to talk to them real soon, because of Jason's "alibi" receipt. Thanks Jason!

See, the little things.


^^^^^^^
ALL Mine!

Swabby [/*]




And, it is the little things that would have Jason arrested by now.
No one saw him anywhere on route to Raleigh or back?

Good thing there was not a fire at the hotel , and everyone had to evacuate.....

Why, where is Jason Young?
We went to his room, no one there?

Hmm, strange.

Good thing he did not get a flat tire,
Good thing his car did not break down..

Good thing that he did not get pulled over for any traffic violation, with the bloody weapon, shoes, and clothes in the car.

Good things or lucky things?


:shrug:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


The "WE" in your post is not a collective "we".

LE knows,

Linda Knows,

Meredith knows,

I know,

And so do a great many others.

Call it intuition, if you wish, but if I have to make every excuse in the book for the way someone did this, that and the other, I start to take notice.

100s of coincidences are not lost on trained LE officers either. Lucky for us that the perps always make mistakes.

Jason should have really kept his mouth shut, but NO...he just HAD to establish that alibi in Va. (Remember Scott and his Marina ticket? Bet he wishes he had that smooth move back.)

Anyway, IF Jason had made them dig around to find out where he was, most probably the tapes would have been "taped over". Ergo, no video of the 'exhausted" one prowling the hallways of the Hampton in the middle of the night...in different clothes.

Looks to me like in that video that he is getting something from the desk "person" @ about midnight. What else, but a receipt? Once again, that employee might have forgotten IF it had taken a week or so for LE to show up, but they got to talk to them real soon, because of Jason's "alibi" receipt. Thanks Jason!

See, the little things.


^^^^^^^
ALL Mine!

Swabby [/*]

Wait, Swabby, one more thing.
Jason had to have an alibi.
It was the middle of the nite.
Where was he supposed to say he was?
He had to account for this time.
Plus, according to some, this was pre~med, welll thought out down to the minute.

Scott went to the bay in the middle of the day, and thought someone saw him...therefore he choked.

Kat

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Do you hear fear in Michelle's only sister's voice?
Do you hear her running around from room to room to make sure the killer or some kind of dangerous situation is not still there?
Do you hear her tell the 911 operator that she needs to leave the home to get C away from the bloody scene to another safer location?

I didn't think so, I didn't either.
:shrug:
Kat [/*]

I hear NOTHING wrong with the 911 tape, except the "daddy did it" part, and neither does anyone else, except a select few that have NOWHERE ELSE to go. I.E. They discount every single action of Jason as innocent.

Meredith was sent there by Jason, the PC in the latest (released) SW confirms that.

If Meredith had anything to do with the massacre, someone please explain to me, why she would do Jason's bidding on that fateful day.

MOO

Swabby

HINT: She wouldn't have! She would have done exactly what Jason did, "check his voice mails frequently", until the coast was clear.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
deleted for lack of substance.

Kat

Michelle's sister has a name. It is Meredith. :rolleyes:

[enigma™]

Originally posted by kingcole

Howdy, Enigma. You shore are a puzzle. Not sure
I understand this post. However.....

I reckon some of us do try to help keep facts
straight. Could use some help though, when
you're not busy.

Woe is me, Enigma.
I sent the following email to Thomasi, that rag
reporter on that rag N&O, Aug. 19. Never did get an answer.
Reckon I'll send it on to his boss and see what
he thinks. Shore hate to do that, though. Somebody
will suggest I'm trying to get someone fired....not
just trying to keep facts straight. Why don't you
give it a go?

==Kingcole
------------
Thomasi:

I reckon you do well with providing attribution for your facts.
However, I hope you don't mind if I point out a few details.

--lying facedown on her bed in a pool of blood. (On the floor.)

--Footprints from her 2-year-old daughter, who was unharmed, trailed across the carpet. (Nope. Not true.)

--They also found a blood splatter that might have been a print on the bedroom wall near the body of Michelle Young.
Nope. (They found a print surrounded by blood spatter.)

--Young's key card was not used to re-enter the hotel. (He didn't leave the hotel....so far as we know.)

--The security camera did not show him returning to his hotel room. (You know this...how?)

--The warrant says that investigators suspect a light-colored SUV seen at the Young residence between 4 a.m. and 5 a.m. by a newspaper carrier was Jason Young's white Ford Explorer. (Nope. Similar to his Ford. Michelle drove a light-colored (silver) SUV. The cops maybe think the carrier saw Michelle's car. Who knows?)

I just do not know where to begin snipping, so I will let your post stand as is.
Woe is you is right. Did you miss the correction on page 2 of the N&O? All your worries have been reckoned with in print media. If you are expecting an online retraction, you will have a long wait, I reckon. MUO

Oh, I do believe you missed the point of my post. I was trying to convey that the Jason Is Innocent (JII) crowd will accept certain things if it suits them (body on bed), and if other facts do not align with their thoughts on the case, then the written word is downgraded to tabloidesque. Hope this helps.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by kingcole


(snipped)

I sent the following email to Thomasi, that rag
reporter on that rag N&O, Aug. 19. Never did get an answer.
Reckon I'll send it on to his boss and see what
he thinks. Shore hate to do that, though. Somebody
will suggest I'm trying to get someone fired....not
just trying to keep facts straight. Why don't you
give it a go?

==Kingcole
[/*]

RiiiigHT!

No agenda there. Did you start out by calling the N&O a rag?

"N.C. Wanted" is a rag, "HeraldSun" is a rag, now, the "N&O" is a rag. ROTFLMAO!

Do whatever makes your tires squeal. I am sure they are all well affiliated with "strong-arm" tactics by now. Maybe even using pseudonyms. Who Knows?

From here until the DAY that Jason is arrested, I am writing EACH and EVERY news source and every member of Wake County's DA Office.

Enough already!

MOO

Swabby


:rose: Justice for Michelle, Rylan and Cassidy!

[daddydidit]

Originally posted by shack


Well we all know that he got them from either LE or the Fishers. Those would be the only 2 sources for them. If its LE I don't see why they don't call a press conference and show all the photos they have. Maybe even one of him leaving the motel on the morning of the murder. I am sure he is standing at the same front desk to get his receipt. So why not show all the photos? [/*]

seems to most everyone that he is indeed standing at the front desk to get his receipt...

but that was around midnight.

right before he left.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by enigma™


Michelle's sister has a name. It is Meredith. :rolleyes: [/*]

Indeed she does!

Bless her heart, what a terrible thing for a BIL to do to Michelle's only sister.

Personally, I will never forgive Jason for that.

Hey, but at least she took care of Cassidy while he meandered back to Raleigh. Heck, I could have WALKED there, by the time those slackers showed up!

MOO

Swabby


:rose: For Meredith!

[daddydidit]

Originally posted by kingcole


No boycott, Enigma. Those guys just don't like me.
Yeah, I know you're surprised. I don't really care
how he got the photos....just curious why no one
else is curious.

==Kingcole [/*]

if you really didn't care, you would have never thought to ask.

hope this helps.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by daddydidit

seems to most everyone that he is indeed standing at the front desk to get his receipt...

but that was around midnight.

right before he left.

It will be interesting to see if there are additional videos from the Hampton Inn. My best guess is there are no morning snapshots of Jason in his business suit.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by 5swab5
Indeed she does!

Bless her heart, what a terrible thing for a BIL to do to Michelle's only sister.

Personally, I will never forgive Jason for that.

Hey, but at least she took care of Cassidy while he meandered back to Raleigh. Heck, I could have WALKED there, by the time those slackers showed up!

MOO

Swabby


:rose: For Meredith!

I cannot wait to get a look at the phone records. One I am most interested in is the call between LE and Jason where it is reported he hung up on them. I wonder how long that call lasted?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Indeed she does!

Bless her heart, what a terrible thing for a BIL to do to Michelle's only sister.

Personally, I will never forgive Jason for that.

Hey, but at least she took care of Cassidy while he meandered back to Raleigh. Heck, I could have WALKED there, by the time those slackers showed up!

MOO

Swabby [/*]


Wait, wait,wait.!!
Personally, you will never forgive Jason?
Have you told him this?

Those "slackers" made pretty good time, after learning that Jason lost his Michelle...

If L E was that concerned, they should have sent him a patrol car and sirens to clear his way back.
Or a helicopter.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by enigma™


I cannot wait to get a look at the phone records. One I am most interested in is the call between LE and Jason where it is reported he hung up on them. I wonder how long that call lasted? [/*]


I can not wait to see the crime scene to understand how anyone could think anything but a horrible, gruesome, brutal murder happened there........ that could be confused with a fall.

And, now we learn Michelle was in bed.

Kat

[enigma™]

Originally posted by kingcole

I missed it. Give me a hint? How do I find it?

==Kingcole

Buy a copy of the paper? That is what most citizens do.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by daddydidit


seems to most everyone that he is indeed standing at the front desk to get his receipt...

but that was around midnight.

right before he left. [/*]


Where did he go?
:shrug:
Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Cardinal, you seem to me to be very desperate to convict Jason Young and/or his sister. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, it just seems to be based on wishful thinking rather than facts. :shrug: [/*]

Celiarun, since I have no personal stake in this, I have no reason to be desperate about anything. I don't care who is arrested for Michelle's murder, as long as someone is held accountable for it.

I do think it's interesting that you are so determined to attack my position. Why is that?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Where did he go?

Kat [/*]

That's one of the questions I'd like answered, Kat. Where did he go? Why did he go down to the desk when hotels will bring anything you need to your room, and why was he dressed to go out?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



I can not wait to see the crime scene to understand how anyone could think anything but a horrible, gruesome, brutal murder happened there........ that could be confused with a fall.

And, now we learn Michelle was in bed.

Kat [/*]

How did we learn Michelle was in bed?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Cardinal


How did we learn Michelle was in bed? [/*]

She wasn't. It was a misprint in an article. The reporter left off "room". Michelle was found in the "bedroom" not in the "bed". IMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by kingcole


Thanks, Enigma. You'll always be my Enema.

==Kingcole [/*]

Now THAT is a violation of the TOS.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by kingcole

Thanks, Enigma. You'll always be my Enema.

==Kingcole

Now that is probably a TOS violation, but it will not be reported.

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN!

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


How did we learn Michelle was in bed? [/*]





In th link that was posted here earlier
today from the News Observer.

It said Michelle was found lying
on her bed in a pool of blood.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Barbara2


She wasn't. It was a misprint in an article. The reporter left off "room". Michelle was found in the "bedroom" not in the "bed". IMO [/*]

Thank you, Barbara. I read all of these posts from today recharacterizing the evidence based upon Michelle being found in her bed, and couldn't determine where that came from.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Barbara2


She wasn't. It was a misprint in an article. The reporter left off "room". Michelle was found in the "bedroom" not in the "bed". IMO [/*]


Nope, it says on the bed.
Not in.
On..

I doubt they meant Michelle was found on the bedroom, do you?


Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles






In th link that was posted here earlier
today from the News Observer.

It said Michelle was found lying
on her bed in a pool of blood.

Kat [/*]

Barbara just explained it was a misprint. And I thought I remembered clearly that the family friend once said that the carpet beneath her body was removed for analysis. I couldn't figure out why the carpet was on her bed. :)

[Nellikat]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Nope, it says on the bed.
Not in.
On..

I doubt they meant Michelle was found on the bedroom, do you?


Kat [/*]

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/youngwarrants.pdf

"the decedent was found lying on the floor of her bedroom"

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Thank you, Barbara. I read all of these posts from today recharacterizing the evidence based upon Michelle being found in her bed, and couldn't determine where that came from. [/*]

No problem. I would prefer to discuss the case and not have it sidetracked by those with an agenda. I'm pretty sure that 99% of the posters realized that the reporter misrepresented the information. Unfortunately, spellcheck doesn't pick up a mistake like that. ;)

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Thank you, Barbara. I read all of these posts from today recharacterizing the evidence based upon Michelle being found in her bed, and couldn't determine where that came from. [/*]


:no:
Not so fast !!

Direct Quote from News Observer..

"The pregnant young mother was lying ON her bed in a pool of blood."

Hope this helps.

Kat

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Wait, wait,wait.!!
Personally, you will never forgive Jason?
Have you told him this?

Those "slackers" made pretty good time, after learning that Jason lost his Michelle...

If L E was that concerned, they should have sent him a patrol car and sirens to clear his way back.
Or a helicopter.

Kat [/*]

IF you think for a single second that it would take me, or any other reasonable person that much time, to mobilize and land in Raleigh, you are sadly mistaken.

They had HAD the bad news, Jason was dressed and his car was warm!

??WHAT?? were they doing "ALL" that time?

#1, getting their stories straight?

#2 , hiding/destroying evidence?

Inquiring Minds want to know.

MOO

Swabby


BUT, the MOST important thing is that they were NOT afraid for Meredith to be with Cassidy!

Interesting, in and of itself.

IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Nellikat


http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/youngwarrants.pdf

"the decedent was found lying on the floor of her bedroom" [/*]


Then the News Observer is in error...:shrug:

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



:no:
Not so fast !!

Direct Quote from News Observer..

"The pregnant young mother was lying ON her bed in a pool of blood."

Hope this helps.

Kat [/*]

Regardless of what the N&O says, Nellikat is right - the warrant says that Michelle was "...lying on the floor of her bedroom."

That helps more.

[Cardinal]

So, now that that's cleared up (thanks, Nellikat), why did Jason go down to the desk, and where was he going?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


IF you think for a single second that it would take me, or any other reasonable person that much time, to mobilize and land in Raleigh, you are sadly mistaken.

They had HAD the bad news, Jason was dressed and his car was warm!

??WHAT?? were they doing "ALL" that time?

#1, getting their stories straight?

#2 , hiding/destroying evidence?

Inquiring Minds want to know.

MOO

Swabby


BUT, the MOST important thing is that they were NOT afraid for Meredith to be with Cassidy!

Interesting, in and of itself.

IMO [/*]


At that time, it is hard to know what anyone was doing or thinking.

Don't you imagine that everyone was pretty hysterical?

L E missed their big chance of informing Jason in person..

Maybe it wasn't until later that the pieces started coming together about what happened.

Maybe the 911 call raised some questions..

:shrug:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal
So, now that that's cleared up (thanks, Nellikat), why did Jason go down to the desk, and where was he going? [/*]


Maybe he came down to get something from his car, and stopped to chat before he went back upstairs for the nite.

Maybe he asked for a wake~up call.

Only the clerk knows, we can only guess.

Kat

[daddydidit]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Where did he go?
:shrug:
Kat [/*]

oh, you know, kat..when he made that midnight ride back home to bludgeon his wife and baby to death.

hope this helps:::::: : )

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



At that time, it is hard to know what anyone was doing or thinking.

Don't you imagine that everyone was pretty hysterical?

L E missed their big chance of informing Jason in person..

Maybe it wasn't until later that the pieces started coming together about what happened.

Maybe the 911 call raised some questions..

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

Yes, Kat, I imagine everyone in Brevard was pretty hysterical. I can't imagine getting that kind of information about my daughter-in-law.

But how would LE know where Jason was, to deliver the tragic news in person?

[daddydidit]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Then the News Observer is in error...:shrug:

Kat [/*]

don't tell us you're one of those people who always believes everything they read...

surely you've heard of typos.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Maybe he came down to get something from his car, and stopped to chat before he went back upstairs for the nite.

Maybe he asked for a wake~up call.

Only the clerk knows, we can only guess.

Kat [/*]

I've asked for wake-up calls. And more towels. And several other things.

I've done all of that by calling the desk. So that I didn't have to get dressed and leave my room.

ETA: And if he went to get something from his car, that means he left the hotel. Which several say he didn't.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by daddydidit


oh, you know, kat..when he made that midnight ride back home to bludgeon his wife and baby to death.

hope this helps:::::: : ) [/*]



And,.............. 22 months later, he is still free.

Free to travel, free to leave the state, free to raise his daughter, free to do anything he wants.

Why is that?

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles




And,.............. 22 months later, he is still free.

Free to travel, free to leave the state, free to raise his daughter, free to do anything he wants.

Why is that?

Kat [/*]

Because he hasn't been indicted. But not having been indicted is not, by itself, proof of innocence.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I've asked for wake-up calls. And more towels. And several other things.

I've done all of that by calling the desk. So that I didn't have to get dressed and leave my room. [/*]


Unless you would go out to your car, and on the way back , stop by the desk.

Maybe he wanted some travel brochures or an I~Hop Coupon.

Seriously, we don't know.
There is no actual video of him actually leaving the hotel that we know of, if there was, I doubt there would still be so much interest or discussion.

Jason was exactly where he was suppposed to be at seconds to midnite.

That could be a good book "Seconds to Midnite"
I better tm it.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Unless you would go out to your car, and on the way back , stop by the desk.

Maybe he wanted some travel brochures or an I~Hop Coupon.

Seriously, we don't know.
There is no actual video of him actually leaving the hotel that we know of, if there was, I doubt there would still be so much interest or discussion.

Jason was exactly where he was suppposed to be at seconds to midnite.

That could be a good book "Seconds to Midnite"
I better tm it.

Kat [/*]

Kat, I edited my post after you quoted it. To say that IF Jason went to his car, he left the motel. Which several say he didn't.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Because he hasn't been indicted. But not having been indicted is not, by itself, proof of innocence.

JMO [/*]

And being indicted is not proof of guilt, but it is a good start.
:)
Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


And being indicted is not proof of guilt, but it is a good start.
:)
Kat [/*]

Are you saying that if Jason is indicted, you will consider that an indication of guilt?

[daddydidit]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles




And,.............. 22 months later, he is still free.

Free to travel, free to leave the state, free to raise his daughter, free to do anything he wants.

Why is that?

Kat [/*]



you are right...he is free for now.

i would love for anyone to ask jy how "free" he really feels.

but alas...jy does not answer questions.

he's much too busy searching for and sending replies to chicks on that online dating service.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Kat, I edited my post after you quoted it. To say that IF Jason went to his car, he left the motel. Which several say he didn't. [/*]


K,

One can go to their car without getting into it and driving off the property.

One could be looking for a map to get to Clintwood.

One could drive over to McD's for a hamburger, fries and shake.

You have to put him back in Raleigh, not in a hallway, not near an exit that is near a staircase that takes him back to his room.

You have to prove he did not leave his room door unlocked for a short period of time.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



K,

One can go to their car without getting into it and driving off the property.

One could be looking for a map to get to Clintwood.

One could drive over to McD's for a hamburger, fries and shake.

You have to put him back in Raleigh, not in a hallway, not near an exit that is near a staircase that takes him back to his room.

You have to prove he did not leave his room door unlocked for a short period of time.

Kat [/*]

All of that is true, Kat. And I don't have any more information than you do about LE's ability to put him back in Raleigh. That's why I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

JMO

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Then the News Observer is in error...:shrug:

Kat [/*]

Perfect example of why we need a SURGE of emails to not only the news outlets, but also to Wake County Officialsl.

This case has been pretty much out of the public eye, for quite some time.

Reporters, new and old...are only doing token reports. My emails include links for the recently released SWs and DEMAND action.

Nancy Grace was my first choice, but she is so busy with Caylee Anthony, that she doesn't even answer other queries anymore.


:rose: Justice for Rylan, Caylee and Cassidy!


MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Are you saying that if Jason is indicted, you will consider that an indication of guilt? [/*]


If there is an indictment because of something I can not explain

and there is absolute proof that Jason was back in Raleigh, and if

he had scratches or marks on him during the physical search of his person, and

if they have a motive that makes sense and sticks, and if the

murder weapon is found with his and his alone prints, then..

Yep.....guilty.
Yep.........Daddydidit..

Kat

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

(snipped)
That could be a good book "Seconds to Midnite"
I better tm it.

Kat

I believe books are copyrighted. ©

Hope this helps.

Jason left the Hampton Inn. There's no question about that.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Perfect example of why we need a SURGE of emails to not only the news outlets, but also to Wake County Officialsl.

This case has been pretty much out of the public eye, for quite some time.

Reporters, new and old...are only doing token reports. My emails include links for the recently released SWs and DEMAND action.

Nancy Grace was my first choice, but she is so busy with Caylee Anthony, that she doesn't even answer other queries anymore.


:rose: Justice for Rylan, Caylee and Cassidy!
MOO

Swabby [/*]






I agree, but if you think this case is being neglected or forgotten, look at the Nancy Cooper thread.

The s/w's were just released, all kinds of damaging evidence against Brad, and no one is even discussing it.

:(

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



If there is an indictment because of something I can not explain

and there is absolute proof that Jason was back in Raleigh, and if

he had scratches or marks on him during the physical search of his person, and

if they have a motive that makes sense and sticks, and if the

murder weapon is found with his and his alone prints, then..

Yep.....guilty.
Yep.........Daddydidit..

Kat [/*]

Wow, Kat. Coming from you, that's a major concession.

:patriot:

[enigma™]

Originally posted by janesdean
snipped from kingcole

--They also found a blood splatter that might have been a print on the bedroom wall near the body of Michelle Young.
Nope. (They found a print surrounded by blood spatter.)
************
riddle me this batman:

How does a print come to be surrounded by blood spatter ?

By the hand that made the print being on the wall AT THE TIME THE BLOOD IS SPATTERED. [/*]

That sounds like a perfectly logical explanation. Actually, it sounds like the only explanation.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Wow, Kat. Coming from you, that's a major concession.

:patriot: [/*]

Well, Card, no offense, but if Jason went back to Raleigh in the middle of the nite, it was not to drop off an overdue library book or order pizza.

I have said all along......put him back there.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by enigma™


I believe books are copyrighted. ©

Hope this helps.

Jason left the Hampton Inn. There's no question about that. [/*]

There is no proof that Jason left and if he did, it may have been to get something to eat.

That is what he may have been chatting with the clerk about.

Put him in Raleigh..or where he went does not matter.......

Keep on trying.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Well, Card, no offense, but if Jason went back to Raleigh in the middle of the nite, it was not to drop off an overdue library book or order pizza.

I have said all along......put him back there.

Kat [/*]

No offense taken, Kat. :)

But that, I think, is the crux of the case. So far, I haven't seen anything to put him back there. Unless the blood spatter can do it, and I don't pretend to know enough about DNA to determine that.

JMO

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



K,

One can go to their car without getting into it and driving off the property.

One could be looking for a map to get to Clintwood.

One could drive over to McD's for a hamburger, fries and shake.

You have to put him back in Raleigh, not in a hallway, not near an exit that is near a staircase that takes him back to his room.

You have to prove he did not leave his room door unlocked for a short period of time.

Kat [/*]


Here's a better one...show ME where another exhausted traveler's wife and unborn child were found bludgeoned to death that VERY next day.........

With Jason Lynn Young heading towards the exit door?

Think he put the rock in the lock for someone else?

More nefarious than even I can come up with.

MOO

Swabby

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


There is no proof that Jason left... DELETED just because I wanted to address this.

Kat

Don't be daft. Of course he left the Hampton Inn. I don't even need to try to prove this fact. The proof is, he made it to Brevard in time to fall plumb to his knees. Otherwise, he'd still be at the Hampton Inn, right?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


No offense taken, Kat. :)

But that, I think, is the crux of the case. So far, I haven't seen anything to put him back there. Unless the blood spatter can do it, and I don't pretend to know enough about DNA to determine that.

JMO [/*]

I knew you wouldn't take any offense.!!!

Yep, that is the piece missing..

Until that happens, if it ever does..........I don't see anything going to change..


Kat

[5swab5]

Originally posted by janesdean
snipped from kingcole

--They also found a blood splatter that might have been a print on the bedroom wall near the body of Michelle Young.
Nope. (They found a print surrounded by blood spatter.)
************
riddle me this batman:

How does a print come to be surrounded by blood spatter ?

By the hand that made the print being on the wall AT THE TIME THE BLOOD IS SPATTERED. [/*]

I know,

Must be an extra special exception to ALL the rules of physics and nature.

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by enigma™


Don't be daft. Of course he left the Hampton Inn. I don't even need to try to prove this fact. The proof is, he made it to Brevard in time to fall plumb to his knees. Otherwise, he'd still be at the Hampton Inn, right? [/*]


We were talking about the video that shows him at the hotel close to midnite.

:rolleyes:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


I know,

Must be an extra special exception to ALL the rules of physics and nature.

MOO

Swabby [/*]

Okay, so let's pretend it is Jason's print undeniably on the wall, with no other way to explain it.

Why no arrest?
Why is that not enough?
What more do you need?

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


I knew you wouldn't take any offense.!!!

Yep, that is the piece missing..

Until that happens, if it ever does..........I don't see anything going to change..


Kat [/*]

At some point, I believe the DA's office will obtain an indictment of Jason Young. CE case or not, I think they'll take it to trial.

Notice I didn't give a timetable. :)

JMO

[5swab5]

Originally posted by daddydidit




you are right...he is free for now.

i would love for anyone to ask jy how "free" he really feels.

but alas...jy does not answer questions.

he's much too busy searching for and sending replies to chicks on that online dating service. [/*]

LOL!

He can't be feeling all that sanctimonious, IF the rumors are correct....and he hightails it out of Brevard every-other Monday night.

I love it! Like a boa constrictor. Coming to get you, Ha..Ha!

Squeezing, squeezing, squeezing.

Not very "free" .

IMO.

Swabby

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

We were talking about the video that shows him at the hotel close to midnite.

:rolleyes:

Kat

I'm well aware, however, it was asked for proof that he left the Hampton Inn. He did. End of story. Hope this helps. :rolleyes:

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



If there is an indictment because of something I can not explain

and there is absolute proof that Jason was back in Raleigh, and if

he had scratches or marks on him during the physical search of his person, and

if they have a motive that makes sense and sticks, and if the

murder weapon is found with his and his alone prints, then..

Yep.....guilty.
Yep.........Daddydidit..

Kat [/*]


Kat,

This post is frightening to me.

You have instantaneously moved the burden in a Court of Law, to some standard of YOURS, that in reality...does not exist.

I hate when this kind of misinformation is allowed to stand.

Thank Goodness jurors are well advised of the perimeters for a conviction.

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by enigma™


I'm well aware, however, it was asked for proof that he left the Hampton Inn. He did. End of story. Hope this helps. :rolleyes: [/*]

There is no proof, that anyone knows of, at this time, that Jason left the hotel right after the video shot of him at the front desk close to midnite.

I think you need more help with this than I do.

:)

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by kingcole


So, back to that nefarious rock (NR), are you?
I reckon most mountain boys travel with
an NR....never know when we will need to
prop a door. You never heard of the Pet
Rock (PR) craze many moons ago? That's how
it got started....door propping.

I've heard some travelers today just depend
on being lucky and finding a NR when they
need one. But not a mountain boy.

==Kingcole [/*]

Actually, pet rocks were a California thing, not a mountain boy thing.

But that's enough of the o/t silliness.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


At some point, I believe the DA's office will obtain an indictment of Jason Young. CE case or not, I think they'll take it to trial.

Notice I didn't give a timetable. :)

JMO [/*]

We shall see or we might see who the Size 10 shoe belongs to.
@@
No more timetables, please!!
:)
Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


We shall see or we might see who the Size 10 shoe belongs to.
@@
No more timetables, please!!
:)
Kat [/*]

There are lots of things that, hopefully, we'll see, when/if there's a trial.

I'd like to think one of them would be justice for Michelle and Rylan. :rose:




Have a good one, everybody.

Goodnight. :seeya:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5



Kat,

This post is frightening to me.

You have instantaneously moved the burden in a Court of Law, to some standard of YOURS, that in reality...does not exist.

I hate when this kind of misinformation is allowed to stand.

Thank Goodness jurors are well advised of the perimeters for a conviction.

MOO

Swabby [/*]

That is what I would need, Swabby, but, I am not a possible potential juror, so it does not count...

Don't worry!!

Kat

[5swab5]

Originally posted by kingcole


So, back to that nefarious rock (NR), are you?
I reckon most mountain boys travel with
an NR....never know when we will need to
prop a door. You never heard of the Pet
Rock (PR) craze many moons ago? That's how
it got started....door propping.

I've heard some travelers today just depend
on being lucky and finding a NR when they
need one. But not a mountain boy.

==Kingcole [/*]


Just TRY selling that to 12 jurors.

Obviously, it is an offense at the Hampton, otherwise it wouldn't have been reported.

GOOD for them, they have a nice crew that watches out for their business & patrons.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by kingcole
Whoa. No more talk about N&O reporters.
I just learned the N&O would like to get rid
of 320 employees. That ain't good. We ought
to let them know we appreciate them. We need
a newspaper in Raleigh.

==Kingcole [/*]

Just out of idle curiosity, How many of dem thar Reporters, had anything to do with the Michelle Young case?

ARE there ANY reporters left that work for the "Transylvania Times", OR have they all been dispatched to purgatory as well? TIA

MOO

Swabby

So much for the 1st Amendment

[5swab5]

Originally posted by kingcole


I reckon the T. Times is quite healthy.
I was there yesterday, talking with reporters
and the editor. I didn't notice any purgatory.

Daily papers across the country are in trouble.
Advertisers are using the internet, and readers
are using the internet. I think small local papers will
stay healthy. The internet cannot replace them....yet.

==Kingcole [/*]

Glad to hear it!

I am so happy that the "Transylvania Times" FINALLY decide to report on a local boy.

I am well versed in the ins & pouts of local reporting.

I can ONLY pray that the last SWs gave the editor the impetus to FINALLY move forward!

MOO

Swabby

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Glad to hear it!

I am so happy that the "Transylvania Times" FINALLY decide to report on a local boy.

I am well versed in the ins & pouts of local reporting.

I can ONLY pray that the last SWs gave the editor the impetus to FINALLY move forward!

MOO

Swabby [/*]

Now we just need the DA to follow suit.

[shack]

Originally posted by janesdean
snipped from kingcole

--They also found a blood splatter that might have been a print on the bedroom wall near the body of Michelle Young.
Nope. (They found a print surrounded by blood spatter.)
************
riddle me this batman:

How does a print come to be surrounded by blood spatter ?

By the hand that made the print being on the wall AT THE TIME THE BLOOD IS SPATTERED. [/*]

You read the warrant wrong. Read it again . It says " what appeared to be blood splatter" Where has it ever stated it was blood splatter? Remember the warrant for the car because of what appeared to be drops of blood on the car. Was there blood on the car? You all are changing the wording of the warrants to state a positive. There is no positive there. Just insinuations like heading toward an exit well did he exit? Who knows.

[katy1974]

Originally posted by shack


You read the warrant wrong. Read it again . It says " what appeared to be blood splatter" Where has it ever stated it was blood splatter? Remember the warrant for the car because of what appeared to be drops of blood on the car. Was there blood on the car? You all are changing the wording of the warrants to state a positive. There is no positive there. Just insinuations like heading toward an exit well did he exit? Who knows. [/*]

shack, Aren't you the law student?
May I ask what school you attend?
Did you have to choose what case you are studying, or did your professor assign you this case?

[shack]

Originally posted by katy1974


shack, Aren't you the law student?
May I ask what school you attend?
Did you have to choose what case you are studying, or did your professor assign you this case? [/*]

I am not studying this case, I am here just like you. Why is every one so interested in why I am here?

[shack]

Originally posted by Hiller


Who cares ?

We already know who owned the bloody Hush Puppy slip-on.
That puts Jason Young smack in the middle of the crime scene. [/*]


I haven't seen any where that states what size the HP was. How can you know who owes it if you don't know what size it was? What if it turns out to be a size 7 would that change your mind?

[shack]

Originally posted by Hiller


Guess her law school is slack on punctuation and the use of the English language.
Guess she won't be drafting case briefs :D [/*]

I guess she isn't a she.

[shack]

Originally posted by Hiller


I rest my case :tongue: [/*]

Show me where there has been a size released on the HP shoe? In my opinion you have no case to rest.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by shack

I am not studying this case, I am here just like you. Why is every one so interested in why I am here?

Perhaps it is because your story changes every time you post? Most aren't concerned with why you are here, but do not like being lied to, as you have done quite often.

Enough about you, it's time for JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN!

[shack]

Originally posted by Neo


You told us you were a law student studying the case. [/*]

I never said we were studing the case. I said we were asked to look over the warrants. We did . I have pointed out the what appears in the warrants . To say what appears to be blood splatter and what appears to be blood drops on a car will get you a warrant but it sure won't win a case. Its my feeling if there was blood on the car and if there was a print in blood splatter Mr. Young would have already been indicted. I have 1 year of law school under my belt if this case ever gets to court I don't think It would be an assignment of mine. I wish.

[shack]

Originally posted by Hiller


Sorry, I guess you missed my point.
I just pointing out that your law school was in fact slack on grammar, spelling and punctuation. ;) [/*]

Talk about grammar, spelling and punctuation you should see my text messages.

[shack]

Originally posted by Hiller


Ok, let me guess again.

Were you born in June, 1943 by chance :biggrin: [/*]

Not hardly I am 27.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by kingcole
Howdy, Swab. I have fond memories of Chapel Hill.
At one time, the town had an excellent small-town newspaper.
I used to know a lady who was a photographer for the
medical examiner there. And the campus newspaper
annually won national awards for outstanding reporting.
I reckon you're lucky to have excellent journalists in your town.
I think we small-town guys should appreciate what we have.

==Kingcole [/*]

Nice that you have fond memories of Chapel Hill, but WHAT does that have to do with YOUR version of "excellence in broadcasting/reporting"?


Anything, Jason Lynn Young has been held to a standard BEYOND the norm.

Mistakes always happen. What are his supporters so afraid of?

My guess would be the TRUTH!

MOO

Swabby

[shack]

Originally posted by Hiller


Sorry, I guess you missed my point.
I was just pointing out that your law school was in fact slack on grammar, spelling and punctuation. ;) [/*]

You missed my point . Can you show me where the shoe size has been published?

[shack]

Originally posted by enigma™


Perhaps it is because your story changes every time you post? Most aren't concerned with why you are here, but do not like being lied to, as you have done quite often.

Enough about you, it's time for JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN! [/*]

You are being lied to with every warrant that has been served. when you guy change the wording to make a positive out of it that's a lie. I have seen it written over and over that there was a print surrounded by blood splatter, that wasn't in the warrant. The warrant says possible print and what appeared to be blood splatter. I guess I am being hassled because I am not writing what you want to hear. i am sorry I am writing what I am reading.

[shack]

Originally posted by Hiller


Go back and read it one more time sweetie. [/*]

Read what?

[shack]

Originally posted by Hiller


Your law books of course. :D [/*]

You went back and read the warrant didn't you? Now you see what I am talking about. Since this APPEARS to be getting us nowhere I am out of here.

[Kat4Eagles]

If you are going to PM me for whatever reason, that's cool, but how about making sure your PM box is empty, so that when I try to answer you, I can.
Grrrrrrrr.

Tia.

:seeya:

Kat

Don't forget to clear out your sent messages too.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Hiller

The cops know he bought size 12 HP shoes 7/2005
The cops know the sole design based on 2 other models.
They also know the dimensions of the bloody print left by the HP.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to match a duplicate size 12 sole to the print on the pillow.

Think the cops would intentionally mislead a judge with bogus information when applying for a warrant :eek: [/*]


Nah, I doubt it.


I also can't imagine that getting a replica out of China, on a discontinued model would be simple either.

JMO

Swabby

[Jules2]

Originally posted by shack


I never said we were studing the case. I said we were asked to look over the warrants. We did . I have pointed out the what appears in the warrants . To say what appears to be blood splatter and what appears to be blood drops on a car will get you a warrant but it sure won't win a case. Its my feeling if there was blood on the car and if there was a print in blood splatter Mr. Young would have already been indicted. I have 1 year of law school under my belt if this case ever gets to court I don't think It would be an assignment of mine. I wish. [/*]


I think you might need a continuity advisor, Shack. It might help keep all your stories straight and insure your credibility.



shack
Member

Registered: Aug 2008
Location: Bethel,Ohio
Posts: 156
Re: Re: Re: Michelle Young 8-22-08


Originally posted by shack


You are welcome to your opinion. Actually it was my professor that recieved the information. It's WE the class working on it. Its sorta a case study in what not to do during a murder investigation. This kind of thing happens all the time , you just never know about it. Sorry I have no idea what AE is and every think I have said I believe I backed up with links.
Number 1 thing to advise our clients , don't talk.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Jules2



I think you might need a continuity advisor, Shack. It might help keep all your stories straight and insure your credibility.



shack
Member

Registered: Aug 2008
Location: Bethel,Ohio
Posts: 156
Re: Re: Re: Michelle Young 8-22-08


Originally posted by shack


You are welcome to your opinion. Actually it was my professor that recieved the information. It's WE the class working on it. Its sorta a case study in what not to do during a murder investigation. This kind of thing happens all the time , you just never know about it. Sorry I have no idea what AE is and every think I have said I believe I backed up with links.
Number 1 thing to advise our clients , don't talk. [/*]

GOOD CATCH!


I have never seen anything since P.West to even compare to this.

Gonna' be interesting, coming down to the wire.


$64,000.00 question IS, does Jason remember what he said to...

OR

DOES his last ~~2-3-4~~ champions on this earth remember what THEY posted, that he said?

TRUTH needs NO excuses!

MOO

Swabby

[shack]

Originally posted by Jules2



I think you might need a continuity advisor, Shack. It might help keep all your stories straight and insure your credibility.



shack
Member

Registered: Aug 2008
Location: Bethel,Ohio
Posts: 156
Re: Re: Re: Michelle Young 8-22-08


Originally posted by shack


You are welcome to your opinion. Actually it was my professor that recieved the information. It's WE the class working on it. Its sorta a case study in what not to do during a murder investigation. This kind of thing happens all the time , you just never know about it. Sorry I have no idea what AE is and every think I have said I believe I backed up with links.
Number 1 thing to advise our clients , don't talk. [/*]

Jules what part of this do you find not to be true? If you had looked a little farther you would have seen where I said we were sent the warrants and the 911 tape. We broke the warrants down for you readers. You refuse to see what I am saying . You have a one track mind and nothing with take you off that track. If you aren't interested in whether there was blood on the car or blood splatter surrounding a print then that's your problem not mine.. Just because you change the words of a warrant doesn't make it true. For someone to say they know the HP was Mr. Youngs when LE hasn't released a size of the HP shoe doesn't make it true. Saying Mr. Young was heading for an exit doesn't make him going out of it. If LE had every thing you all claim is true Mr. Young would have been indicted long ago. You all don't want to talk the law you want to make up stories and pretend they are true.

[Jules2]

Originally posted by shack


Jules what part of this do you find not to be true? If you had looked a little farther you would have seen where I said we were sent the warrants and the 911 tape. We broke the warrants down for you readers. You refuse to see what I am saying . You have a one track mind and nothing with take you off that track. If you aren't interested in whether there was blood on the car or blood splatter surrounding a print then that's your problem not mine.. Just because you change the words of a warrant doesn't make it true. For someone to say they know the HP was Mr. Youngs when LE hasn't released a size of the HP shoe doesn't make it true. Saying Mr. Young was heading for an exit doesn't make him going out of it. If LE had every thing you all claim is true Mr. Young would have been indicted long ago. You all don't want to talk the law you want to make up stories and pretend they are true. [/*]

I would guess Jason headed out that exit since he was wearing a coat. One doesn't usually toss on a coat just to meander down the hallway. I'm not even a law student and I can figure obvious stuff out all on my own. TYVM

And what wording in the warrants have I ever changed?


And now you are saying that your law class broke down the warrants just for us readers? Wow, I've never felt so important before.


BTW, I'll stick with my "one track mind" any day over a poster whose comments have been all over the rails.

IMO

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Jules2


I would guess Jason headed out that exit since he was wearing a coat. [/*]


What coat? He's wearing the same shirt that he has on at the desk a half a minute earlier. You can see the stripe in both photos. It's just that the hall photo is much darker.

[freejason]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


We shall see or we might see who the Size 10 shoe belongs to.
@@
No more timetables, please!!
:)
Kat [/*]

AGAIN......why does everyone find it hard to fathom that he used the size 10's as a decoy.....he planned everything else pretty well, don't you think?

All he had to do was have a pair of size 10's and leave the print...they could be anyqhere from here to Hillsdale in a dumpster....but probably separate from the missing HP's.......and the shirt...............and his freedom....soon.............

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by freejason


AGAIN......why does everyone find it hard to fathom that he used the size 10's as a decoy.....he planned everything else pretty well, don't you think?

All he had to do was have a pair of size 10's and leave the print...they could be anyqhere from here to Hillsdale in a dumpster....but probably separate from the missing HP's.......and the shirt...............and his freedom....soon............. [/*]


So, you are saying he steps on a pillow with 2 different shoes,

because the murder he had so well thought out and planned

turned into a bloodbath, which shook him to the core, but still

gave him the presence of mind to create mismatched size prints?

Can I ask you why he did not just take the pillow with him?

Thanxx.

:shrug:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by zed


I'm a little confused by all your law class discussion. Did you say that you took one year of law school at some point in the past? Was this shortly after the murder? Are you also saying that the information in the warrants about a shoe print was included in the information students received? This is where I'm confused. Although I haven't read the most recent warrants, I do know that factual foot print information is new (obviously I'm ignoring the size 10 gossip that was presented early on the boards). Presumably that information was in a sealed warrant. Are you saying that the information in a sealed warrant was released to law students?

Also, what was the point of discussing blood spatter or blood drops? Certainly there was case law for comparison, and some conclusions resulting from this discussion. Perhaps you could enlighten us on those facts. [/*]



I don't think any poster needs to be grilled or questioned on their background.

Unless they are posting something as FACT.

There are other posters who have repped themselves as something they were not to deliberately pretend they had secret information.

This is not the case here.

If you do not believe what a poster's credentials say they are, that is your right.

But we are not here to badger people or solve the mystery as to who they are in real life.

We are supposed to be trying to figure out who killed Michelle,

some of you have come to the conclusion that Jason did it, and

some, like me, have no clue who killed her.

That makes us all equal....

Thanxx.

Kat

[bookie]

Originally posted by onederwomyn


I personally do not find it hard to believe at all. I mentioned that my husband's crap shoes are 1 size smaller than the rest of his shoes and are about 10 years old. My best friend's husband has nike crap shoes that are 1.5 sizes smaller than he wears now.

Also, someone posted a link of a man who normally wears size 13 shoes who put on a decoy pair of size 8 shoes when he killed his wife. He was still convicted!!

Obviously, even if you cannot fit your foot into a shoe, a shoe can be altered in such a way to make it more comfortable (cut open the toes or cut open the heel). These ways have no effect on the sole.... [/*]


In another link provided it stated that the DA admitted during the trial that the size 8 shoe impressions may not have been connected to the case linked. They didn't prove the man wore those shoes when he murdered his wife.

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Neo


It makes me frustrated too. My husband has a pair from HS that he uses to paint, mow, etc. They are two sizes smaller, but stretched out from use and time. I don't see the size thing as such a big deal. [/*] since size of shoes is immaterial as evidence,to some posters, you can explain why LE collect them to use as evidence.I believe you call that, selective evidence.:rolleyes:

[enigma™]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
since size of shoes is immaterial as evidence,to some posters, you can explain why LE collect them to use as evidence.I believe you call that, selective evidence.:rolleyes:

Huh? Would it be possible for you to rephrase that in English? I am not sure if that is a question, observation or, well I just don't know what you are trying to convey.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by annalyzer



What coat? He's wearing the same shirt that he has on at the desk a half a minute earlier. You can see the stripe in both photos. It's just that the hall photo is much darker. [/*]


Because, Anna, if he has a coat on, it makes everything so much more evil and sinister, and means he was headed in the direction of Raleigh..


:rolleyes:

Kat

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Neo


Re-read the post before you roll your eyes at me.

That is NOT what I said at all. A size 10 shoe could be explained. Obviously its evidence and is important. [/*]Many posters are stating how their spouse has shoes in sizes as much as 2 sizes smaller then his foot so my question is size of foot immaterial. Sorry having to use on-screen keyboard and for unknown reason has no question mark,have to use a period.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Neo


It makes me frustrated too. My husband has a pair from HS that he uses to paint, mow, etc. They are two sizes smaller, but stretched out from use and time. I don't see the size thing as such a big deal. [/*]

So, why would someone buy shoes 2 sizes smaller to begin with when they could have easily bought the right size.??

Do an experiment, wear shoes today that are 2 sizes too small and get back to me........

Kat

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Neo


It makes me frustrated too. My husband has a pair from HS that he uses to paint, mow, etc. They are two sizes smaller, but stretched out from use and time. I don't see the size thing as such a big deal. [/*]

I like for my feet to be comfortable no matter what I'm doing. My yardwork shoes are the same size as the rest of my shoes. When a good pair gets worn looking I relegate them to yardwork shoes.

Splurge ladies and buy your husband a new pair of shoes!

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
Many posters are stating how their spouse has shoes in sizes as much as 2 sizes smaller then his foot so my question is size of foot immaterial. Sorry having to use on-screen keyboard and for unknown reason has no question mark,have to use a period. [/*]

I could see it more if the shoes were 2 sizes bigger, bur not smaller.

That would defy the reason to even buy cheap kick ~back knock~offs if they were going to be too painful to wear.

:shrug:

Kat

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Neo


ETA: I was only offering a theory from my experience. I could easily pull a pair of shoes 2 sizes smaller from my husbands closet simply because he's had the things for SO LONG! [/*]

LOL Men are like that. Try to have a garage sale and they go around taking everything back out of it they want to hang onto.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by freejason

<respectfully snipped>

and his freedom....soon............. [/*]


What is going to cause Jason to lose his freedom?

Caught on hotel video?

Every hotel has them, everyone knows about them, there are cameras almost everywhere we go now..

Supermarkets,
Pharmacies,
Walmart, Target,
Lowe's, Home Depot
Banks
Dunkin Donuts
Fast Food Drive Thru's

I would be worried if there was a camera at the Hampton Inn that did not show Jason was there!!

And the timing......almost midnite...

The Shoes?

Do you know how common Hush Puppies are?

The shirt?

How come they did look for the shirt before?

They left themselves wide open for explanations on this.

You can't go looking for stuff almost a year and a half later, and because it is or is not found, draw any reasonable conclusions from it.

Kat

[HI_CYCLE]

RESPECTLY SNIPED FROM Kat4Eagles;;

You can't go looking for stuff almost a year and a half later, and because it is or is not found, draw any reasonable conclusions from it.

Kat
Only in Wake County.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Jules2


I would guess Jason headed out that exit since he was wearing a coat. One doesn't usually toss on a coat just to meander down the hallway. I'm not even a law student and I can figure obvious stuff out all on my own. TYVM

And what wording in the warrants have I ever changed?


And now you are saying that your law class broke down the warrants just for us readers? Wow, I've never felt so important before.


BTW, I'll stick with my "one track mind" any day over a poster whose comments have been all over the rails.

IMO [/*]

Making stuff up to suit your version of events, again?
The search warrants do not indicate Jason was wearing a coat. :read: