Michelle Young 9/1/09

[gbmy]

Originally posted by Hiller


I guess you missed both my answers .

Sounds like you want more detail

1- The cops have him walking toward the south exit wearing a garment that was mysteriously missing when the cops searched his luggage. He used his key-card ONCE, 6 minutes after he checked in. How does he explain being downstairs at midnight and not reentering his room that night ?

2- There is a bloody print of the same shoe he was PROVEN to own. The exit video also cannot EXCLUDE these shoes. Odd they were missing from his luggage and closet. The size 10 Franklin shoe print was also found at the scene. So happens a similar print was found preserved in deck satin. They found his DNA on the wall , surrounded by blood spatter. It was on the wall beside his closet, a mere 17" above the floor in the immediate vicinity of the body. [/*]
Hiller, your answers were a clear yes and yes! The reply you are now replying to was in response to barbara2's post not yours.

[gbmy]

Originally posted by Barbara2


What you are really asking me is if I know what evidence has been collected by LE and turned over to the DA. The answer is No. If you're asking me if I believe based on what has been revealed in the warrants if they have enough to take this to trial, my answer is yes. IMO [/*]
To be clear, anything I ever post on this board assumes the obvious fact that you or anyone won't know what evidence LE has collected and turned over to the DA. All we can do is discuss information that's in the public domain.

You've now answered the question. Now, if your opinion/belief is that they have enough info from what's revealed in the warrants to take this to trial, then what is your opinion as to why they are not doing that?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by gbmy

To be clear, anything I ever post on this board assumes the obvious fact that you or anyone won't know what evidence LE has collected and turned over to the DA. All we can do is discuss information that's in the public domain.

You've now answered the question. Now, if your opinion/belief is that they have enough info from what's revealed in the warrants to take this to trial, then what is your opinion as to why they are not doing that? [/*]

I have no idea. If I was the DA, he would be in jail now.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by gbmy
Enigma and Hiller, thanks for the straight answers. To me, that's always refreshing when someone takes a stand whether I agree with it or not. Since you both believe the DA has enough evidence to prove he left the hotel and enough evidence to link him to the crime scene, then what are some of your theories as to why he hasn't been taken into custody? The obvious answer is, because they are still dotting the Is and crossing the Ts, but I'm wondering if you might have other less vague ideas.

My least vague idea would be whether or not the DA wants the DP or LWOP. If the DA has just received this case, it has been reported it takes a month or 3 to review and then proceed. My greatest hope regarding this case is that the Fishers do not have to wait any longer than necessary for the murderer to face a jury of his peers.

[gbmy]

Originally posted by enigma™


My least vague idea would be whether or not the DA wants the DP or LWOP. If the DA has just received this case, it has been reported it takes a month or 3 to review and then proceed. My greatest hope regarding this case is that the Fishers do not have to wait any longer than necessary for the murderer to face a jury of his peers. [/*]
I definitely agree with your point about the Fishers continuing to wait.

Enigma, you had a good point which I hadn't thought of and that's that the DA may not have had all of the evidence as it was collected as I niavely thought. I haven't a clue how the process works.

barbara2, I'm sure the Fisher's wish you were the DA! :-)

[enigma™]

Originally posted by gbmy
I definitely agree with your point about the Fishers continuing to wait.

Enigma, you had a good point which I hadn't thought of and that's that the DA may not have had all of the evidence as it was collected as I niavely thought. I haven't a clue how the process works.

barbara2, I'm sure the Fisher's wish you were the DA! :-)

The DA should be aware of all criminal cases because that is the job. How closely they follow certain cases depends on the offense. I imagine petty cases, when prosecuted, are relegated to those with less experience. The higher the profile of a case, the closer the DA would be keeping tabs on it, as I see things. DA offices have their own investigators, as well. When LE is finished investigating the case, they present it to the DA to take further action or maybe strike a deal. This is all MUO.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Hiller

I think she said 1st :biggrin:

If the shoe fits. Wait, wrong case. I heard 1st grade, too, but I was not convinced.

[shack]

Originally posted by enigma™


BZZZT, I am sorry, your response does not compute. Michelle could have taken him for anything he was worth (although, it appears he was/is a worthless cad). Whoa, that almost sounded Geragosian. I am scaring myself.

Michelle could have sued him for child support and alimony for starters. Please step back and allow those that know a thing or 3 respond in the future. Thank you for playing. [/*]
Not really sure what your law is regarding alimony ,but where I live she wouldn't have collected alimony as she wasn't a dependant spouse.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by shack

Not really sure what your law is regarding alimony ,but where I live she wouldn't have collected alimony as she wasn't a dependant spouse. [/*]

She was planning to cut back on work in order to stay home with her child. He would be responsible for providing for a percentage of her support. IMO

[Barbara2]

I'm watching "Cape Fear" and it reminds me so much of this case. You know the bad guy is guilty but the good guys just keep missing it by the tiniest amount. You want them to catch the bad guy but they have to follow the law, and the law doesn't always make sense. Frustrating sometimes.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by shack

Not really sure what your law is regarding alimony ,but where I live she wouldn't have collected alimony as she wasn't a dependant spouse. [/*]


Although North Carolina is a no-fault divorce state and marital infidelity is typically not relevant to divorce proceedings, whether one spouse had an affair is extremely important in an action for alimony. N.C.G.S. 50-16.3A says that if the dependent spouse had an affair, that spouse is barred from receiving alimony. Or, if the supporting spouse had an affair, the court must award alimony to the dependent spouse. If both spouses cheated, the award of alimony is back in the court’s discretion.



http://kruschandsellers.wordpress.c...north-carolina/





§ 50‑16.3A. Alimony.

(a) Entitlement. – In an action brought pursuant to Chapter 50 of the General Statutes, either party may move for alimony. The court shall award alimony to the dependent spouse upon a finding that one spouse is a dependent spouse, that the other spouse is a supporting spouse, and that an award of alimony is equitable after considering all relevant factors, including those set out in subsection (*) of this section. If the court finds that the dependent spouse participated in an act of illicit sexual behavior, as defined in G.S. 50‑16.1A(3)a., during the marriage and prior to or on the date of separation, the court shall not award alimony. If the court finds that the supporting spouse participated in an act of illicit sexual behavior, as defined in G.S. 50‑16.1A(3)a., during the marriage and prior to or on the date of separation, then the court shall order that alimony be paid to a dependent spouse. If the court finds that the dependent and the supporting spouse each participated in an act of illicit sexual behavior during the marriage and prior to or on the date of separation, then alimony shall be denied or awarded in the discretion of the court after consideration of all of the circumstances. Any act of illicit sexual behavior by either party that has been condoned by the other party shall not be considered by the court.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Enacted...S_50-16.3A.html

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by shack


You know I think you may have finally figured out the motive behind this murder. LF getting control of the life insurance. I'm looking through the papers I have and I now have found where it was reported and then retracted that the Fishers or some members of that family was withdrawing funds from the little girls college fund. Now you say they are going after the insurance money. What better motive always follow the money. [/*]

Bingo.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by shack

Not really sure what your law is regarding alimony ,but where I live she wouldn't have collected alimony as she wasn't a dependant spouse. [/*]

That's true in my state as well. They had only been married three years and she had an excellent job with great earning potential. The fact that friends say she was planning on cutting back her hours AFTER the baby's birth is an indication Michelle wasn't planning on divorcing her husband and being a single parent in her near future.

[gbmy]

Originally posted by Barbara2
I'm watching "Cape Fear" and it reminds me so much of this case. You know the bad guy is guilty but the good guys just keep missing it by the tiniest amount. You want them to catch the bad guy but they have to follow the law, and the law doesn't always make sense. Frustrating sometimes. [/*]
I think that is a great analogy that would certainly apply to this case if the good lord told us all right now that JY was guilty. I've watched Cape Fear several times and it always shakes me up and, like you said, frustrates me. Why do I keep watching it? Good question which I can't answer!

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by gbmy

I think that is a great analogy that would certainly apply to this case if the good lord told us all right now that JY was guilty. I've watched Cape Fear several times and it always shakes me up and, like you said, frustrates me. Why do I keep watching it? Good question which I can't answer! [/*]

Regardless of who is guilty, that person is still out among good, law abiding people almost two years after brutally killing Michelle and her unborn baby. The good guys must still be missing something or think they are missing something. I think we would ALL like to see the murderer arrested soon! IMO

[Jules2]

Originally posted by onederwomyn


HEHE!! Ok, so you are quick to think a loving mother would kill her grown daughter for money is a possible motive, but that her "possibly" adulterous husband with "possible" worries about money doesn't seem plausible?

I state "possible" because I know it hasn't been 100% confirmed, but hopefully we will know the definitive answers soon.

At any rate, the fact that you would think that is a motive is in one word, PATHETIC. [/*]


I agree, onederwomyn, and it doesn't occur to the JII's that Michelle's family might be "going after the money" only, and I mean ONLY so that the murderer doesn't get his slimy paws on any of it.

IMO of course.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Celiarun


That's true in my state as well. They had only been married three years and she had an excellent job with great earning potential. The fact that friends say she was planning on cutting back her hours AFTER the baby's birth is an indication Michelle wasn't planning on divorcing her husband and being a single parent in her near future. [/*]


All of this alimony/child support talk is based on an unfounded rumor. There has been no legitimate link showing a divorce was ever a possibility. And not a bit of outrage from the JDI's over the unfounded rumor. Amazing ain't it?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by bookie



All of this alimony/child support talk is based on an unfounded rumor. There has been no legitimate link showing a divorce was ever a possibility. And not a bit of outrage from the JDI's over the unfounded rumor. Amazing ain't it? [/*]

Divorce is a possibility in any marriage. Have you never been surprised when a couple you know divorces and you felt it was totally unexpected?

[bookie]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Divorce is a possibility in any marriage. Have you never been surprised when a couple you know divorces and you felt it was totally unexpected? [/*]


Divorce in this case is a completely unfounded rumor. Certain JDI's rant and rave if a JII posts something they consider rumor without links to back it up but here the JDI's are posting about an imaginary divorce and not a single complaint. Facts are only required when a JII posts. I find that pathetic.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Divorce is a possibility in any marriage. Have you never been surprised when a couple you know divorces and you felt it was totally unexpected? [/*]

I've been surprised. But if the wife were seeing a therapist and the husband were involved with her good friend, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

JMO

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by bookie



Divorce in this case is a completely unfounded rumor. Certain JDI's rant and rave if a JII posts something they consider rumor without links to back it up but here the JDI's are posting about an imaginary divorce and not a single complaint. Facts are only required when a JII posts. I find that pathetic. [/*]

I think you're wrong. I think it goes both ways and I see the complaint often. In this case, no one is saying that they WERE getting a divorce. They are saying that under the circumstances it would be a possibility. I'm not seeing it posted as a fact but only a possible motive/reason why a husband might kill his wife. They say the most dangerous time for a woman is when she tries to leave. IMO.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I think you're wrong. I think it goes both ways and I see the complaint often. In this case, no one is saying that they WERE getting a divorce. They are saying that under the circumstances it would be a possibility. I'm not seeing it posted as a fact but only a possible motive/reason why a husband might kill his wife. They say the most dangerous time for a woman is when she tries to leave. IMO. [/*]

I would love to know what the conversation was between the GA friend and Michelle that fateful evening.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by annalyzer


I would love to know what the conversation was between the GA friend and Michelle that fateful evening. [/*]

My thoughts exactly. IIRC, the GA friend is married to Jason's good friend. Think she knew something and told Michelle?

[Cardinal]

I believe Kat is away for the weekend, Hiller, so please spare the rest of us your bait.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Hiller


I was stating a fact Cardinal.
It was in response to Kat's constant "22 months, bla bla bla"
I call that bait.

Why do you feel it is necessary to pop in with that response ? [/*]

Unless you can provide a link to Jason being arrested in 44 days, it is not a fact according to the TOS for this board.

Kat hasn't been here this morning, so your comment couldn't have been a response to her. "22 months" is, however, a fact - one which I personally find tragic.

Because I consider your post to be bait, and bait does not contribute to a discussion of this case, imo.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Cardinal


My thoughts exactly. IIRC, the GA friend is married to Jason's good friend. Think she knew something and told Michelle? [/*]

I'd like to know more if Michelle shared any feelings about Jason and their home life, circumstances, etc. But yeah it's possible the friend told her something but if this was planned out then Jason already had his reason(s) to murder Michelle.

[gbmy]

Originally posted by Hiller
Kat

44 days before JLY is cuffed. (could be earlier)

Tick, tock
Tick, tock [/*]

Other than a gut feel guess, what do you base this precise estimate for when he'll be arrested on?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by onederwomyn


HEHE!! Ok, so you are quick to think a loving mother would kill her grown daughter for money is a possible motive, but that her "possibly" adulterous husband with "possible" worries about money doesn't seem plausible?

I state "possible" because I know it hasn't been 100% confirmed, but hopefully we will know the definitive answers soon.

At any rate, the fact that you would think that is a motive is in one word, PATHETIC. [/*]

:rolleyes:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hiller


No she did not know anything.
She and Ryan had lunch with JLY the day before the funeral.
Nearly all of the friends supported him at first.

Of course, that quickly changed. NONE of his Raleigh buds or Michelle's friends can stand the sight of him now. [/*]

If that were remotely true, these friends wouldn't still be visiting with one another, spending vacations together, etc. :no:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hiller


Don't wag your finger at me.

They DO NOT spend ANYTIME together.
The last time JLY saw any of his old buds socially was in 2007.
You obviously have NO IDEA what you are blabbing about :rolleyes: [/*]

Jason and his friends do spend time together, email and speak frequently. Unlike yourself, I have no need to lie about it. :no:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Jason and his friends do spend time together, email and speak frequently. <snipped> [/*]

How do you know that?

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Celiarun
Jason and his friends do spend time together, email and speak frequently. Unlike yourself, I have no need to lie about it. :no:

Where is the link to back up this statement? :rolleyes: If you have no link, I will deduce that you made it up, i.e., lied. :no:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hiller


The point is you don't know any of these people and I do.

"friends" yes...as in Mountain Buds

I know for a FACT RS, SS, VA and JD have NOTHING to do with him.
He was NOT invited to the beach trip. The Raleigh group is totally repulsed by his name and image.

Stop posting misleading information on this board that you make up on a whim.
:no: [/*]

You're the one making it up, hon. Jason's friends don't speak to you. I don't need to make up lies about something so ridiculous. :rolleyes:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


How do you know that? [/*]

They told me.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


You're the one making it up, hon. Jason's friends don't speak to you. I don't need to make up lies about something so ridiculous. :rolleyes: [/*]

Do you live in Raleigh? I thought you were in the mid west. How do you know? How do you know that Hiller doesn't know these people?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Do you live in Raleigh? I thought you were in the mid west. How do you know? How do you know that Hiller doesn't know these people? [/*]

I don't believe I have ever stated where I live, Barbara2 nor is it relevant.

"These people" know who they know. :rolleyes:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


I don't believe I have ever stated where I live, Barbara2 nor is it relevant.

"These people" know who they know. :rolleyes: [/*]

It was your reference to your veterinarian and the University that he is associated with. Anyway, no matter. You obviously don't live in Raleigh and you don't know Hiller. Why should anyone believe you?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hiller



You have NO IDEA who I know or talk to in Raleigh, so quit making up lies saying otherwise.

ALL of your many, many nics are very well known to all of us here over the past 22 months.

They ALL have proven to have ZERO credibility. [/*]

Jason's friends know they aren't talking to you and they resent your comments. I have no need to make up lies. That's your game.

:rolleyes:

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Barbara2
It was your reference to your veterinarian and the University that he is associated with. Anyway, no matter. You obviously don't live in Raleigh and you don't know Hiller. Why should anyone believe you?

No one does. This particular poster makes it up as she goes along. She lacks self esteem, so she throws herself into these high profile cases and pretends she knows what she is talking about. She is fooling no one. All you have to do is check any active board and read the collective groan upon her arrival. MUO

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


It was your reference to your veterinarian and the University that he is associated with. Anyway, no matter. You obviously don't live in Raleigh and you don't know Hiller. Why should anyone believe you? [/*]

Do you live in Raleigh? Do you know Hiller? Not that it matters. I do know a couple of Jason's friends because they've contacted me. I believe them rather than Hiller.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Do you live in Raleigh? Do you know Hiller? Not that it matters. I do know a couple of Jason's friends because they've contacted me. I believe them rather than Hiller. [/*]

Why would they contact you? This isn't very believable to me. I'm sorry and no offense intended, but you're nobody to this case. IMO

ETA: Without a face-to-face, how would you know that they are who they claim to be?

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Hiller
barbara, she is telling the truth

The 2 friends she speaks of are the nasty 'rafter' and the 'retired teacher'


:lol: :lol:

With friends like those...

[Cardinal]

I thought this was the Michelle Young board, but I seem to have taken a wrong turn and wound up at the Theatre Of The Absurd, where 2 posters are arguing about who really knows Jason's friends.

:lol:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Why would they contact you? This isn't very believable to me. I'm sorry and no offense intended, but you're nobody to this case. IMO

ETA: Without a face-to-face, how would you know that they are who they claim to be? [/*]

I know who they are because I have their email addresses. They contacted me to thank me for supporting Jason. LE has asked them not to post on forums but they certainly do read here. I don't care whether you believe me or not. You're nobody to this case. They very much are.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Hiller



There you go again card, popping in to add your 'worthless' 2 cents.

Do you have anything to say about the case ?
If not, mind your own business. ;) [/*]

:seeya:

ETA: Who could get a word in edgewise to discuss the case during that ridiculous argument?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Cardinal


:seeya:

ETA: Who could get a word in edgewise to discuss the case during that ridiculous argument? [/*]



Cardinal quote:
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Originally posted by Hiller


I was stating a fact Cardinal.
It was in response to Kat's constant "22 months, bla bla bla"
I call that bait.

Why do you feel it is necessary to pop in with that response ? [/*]
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Unless you can provide a link to Jason being arrested in 44 days, it is not a fact according to the TOS for this board.

Kat hasn't been here this morning, so your comment couldn't have been a response to her. "22 months" is, however, a fact - one which I personally find tragic.

Because I consider your post to be bait, and bait does not contribute to a discussion of this case, imo.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Celiarun




Cardinal quote:
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Originally posted by Hiller


I was stating a fact Cardinal.
It was in response to Kat's constant "22 months, bla bla bla"
I call that bait.

Why do you feel it is necessary to pop in with that response ? [/*]
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Unless you can provide a link to Jason being arrested in 44 days, it is not a fact according to the TOS for this board.

Kat hasn't been here this morning, so your comment couldn't have been a response to her. "22 months" is, however, a fact - one which I personally find tragic.

Because I consider your post to be bait, and bait does not contribute to a discussion of this case, imo. [/*]

If your point is that THAT was a ridiculous exchange as well, you're absolutely right. Hiller's on a roll today.

JMO

[shack]

Looks like some posters have meandered over from that there other place. You know when this happens its just to get the board closed. they have no other reason to be here since they have their own little haven over yonder. I've just stayed off today don't want to let them get the board closed. Remember we have been promised an arrest . Let's see if the board can stay open till then.

[enigma™]

The only real case discussion that I have seen recently took place last evening. It does not take a rocket scientist to decipher who was here and who was not. That should settle the debate on who throws out chum to stir the board, and who is really here to discuss this case.

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN!

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by annalyzer


I'd like to know more if Michelle shared any feelings about Jason and their home life, circumstances, etc. But yeah it's possible the friend told her something but if this was planned out then Jason already had his reason(s) to murder Michelle. [/*]

IF Jason called home around 11:00 pm as is rumored, maybe the GA friend was still there and heard something in Michelle's end of the call that triggered a confidence one way or the other.

JMO

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Cardinal


IF Jason called home around 11:00 pm as is rumored, maybe the GA friend was still there and heard something in Michelle's end of the call that triggered a confidence one way or the other.

JMO [/*]

Michelle's association with the GA friend was through Jason's relationship with the husband. I would doubt she would be the person that Michelle would be most likely to confide in regarding problems in her relationship with Jason. JMO

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Cardinal


IF Jason called home around 11:00 pm as is rumored, maybe the GA friend was still there and heard something in Michelle's end of the call that triggered a confidence one way or the other.

JMO [/*]

But I'm saying even if that happened Jason had already decided to murder Michelle so it wouldn't have made a difference. That's of course if he killed her.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Michelle's association with the GA friend was through Jason's relationship with the husband. I would doubt she would be the person that Michelle would be most likely to confide in regarding problems in her relationship with Jason. JMO [/*]

I thought of that, too, but IF Jason and Michelle argued, Michelle might have vented to the GA friend just because she was there. Or maybe the GA friend felt motivated to tell Michelle something.

JMO

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I thought of that, too, but IF Jason and Michelle argued, Michelle might have vented to the GA friend just because she was there. Or maybe the GA friend felt motivated to tell Michelle something.

JMO [/*]

I'm pretty sure that we heard in the very beginning that the GA friend left at 10:30. I believe it was reliable information.

[gorealtors]

Originally posted by Cardinal


IF Jason called home around 11:00 pm as is rumored, maybe the GA friend was still there and heard something in Michelle's end of the call that triggered a confidence one way or the other.

JMO [/*]


GA friend left at 10:30 pm, not 11:00pm. JMO

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Cardinal
I thought this was the Michelle Young board, but I seem to have taken a wrong turn and wound up at the Theatre Of The Absurd, where 2 posters are arguing about who really knows Jason's friends.

:lol: [/*]And i got here following you LMBO. I can say with certainty, this bunch ain't worth being acknowledged and that is a fact.:patriot:

[Jules2]

Originally posted by Celiarun




Cardinal quote:
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Originally posted by Hiller


I was stating a fact Cardinal.
It was in response to Kat's constant "22 months, bla bla bla"
I call that bait.

Why do you feel it is necessary to pop in with that response ? [/*]
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Unless you can provide a link to Jason being arrested in 44 days, it is not a fact according to the TOS for this board.

Kat hasn't been here this morning, so your comment couldn't have been a response to her. "22 months" is, however, a fact - one which I personally find tragic.

Because I consider your post to be bait, and bait does not contribute to a discussion of this case, imo. [/*]


And this coming from someone who told me just yesterday to read the TOS to see that links are NOT required if you are posting about something you have heard.

So what it boils down to is that links are only required by the JDI's. The JII's can state whatever the heck they want as fact.


There's that double standard again and it's getting mighty tiring.


IMO!!!

[Jules2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Jason and his friends do spend time together, email and speak frequently. Unlike yourself, I have no need to lie about it. :no: [/*]

And where might this link be?


Oh that's right. No link needed if you're a JII!

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by annalyzer


But I'm saying even if that happened Jason had already decided to murder Michelle so it wouldn't have made a difference. That's of course if he killed her. [/*]

I guess I'm still holding out that, IF Jason killed Michelle, it wasn't premeditated that far in advance. I still think it's possible that she had asked him to leave that night and an argument on the phone triggered it.

JMO

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by shack
Looks like some posters have meandered over from that there other place. You know when this happens its just to get the board closed. they have no other reason to be here since they have their own little haven over yonder. I've just stayed off today don't want to let them get the board closed. Remember we have been promised an arrest . Let's see if the board can stay open till then. [/*]:beer:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I'm pretty sure that we heard in the very beginning that the GA friend left at 10:30. I believe it was reliable information. [/*]

I wasn't here in the beginning, but gorealtors just said the same thing. If that's true then, it probably is unlikely that Michelle would have confided in her. I still wonder, though, if she might have told Michelle something.

JMO

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by gorealtors



GA friend left at 10:30 pm, not 11:00pm. JMO [/*]

Do we know for a fact when Jason called home that evening or even if he did? I'm not being argumentative, I just don't remember this.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Jules2



And this coming from someone who told me just yesterday to read the TOS to see that links are NOT required if you are posting about something you have heard.

So what it boils down to is that links are only required by the JDI's. The JII's can state whatever the heck they want as fact.


There's that double standard again and it's getting mighty tiring.


IMO!!! [/*]

I'm sorry, Jules, I don't remember telling you that yesterday.

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I thought of that, too, but IF Jason and Michelle argued, Michelle might have vented to the GA friend just because she was there. Or maybe the GA friend felt motivated to tell Michelle something.

JMO [/*]IMO,she and Michelle had a good friendship or she would not be at her home watching GA. MOO

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I guess I'm still holding out that, IF Jason killed Michelle, it wasn't premeditated that far in advance. I still think it's possible that she had asked him to leave that night and an argument on the phone triggered it.

JMO [/*]

I have to look at it as if Jason did premeditate the murder, otherwise why stop at a hotel only 2.5 hours away?

[gorealtors]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Do we know for a fact when Jason called home that evening or even if he did? I'm not being argumentative, I just don't remember this. [/*]


IIRC, he called home at least once that evening.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Do we know for a fact when Jason called home that evening or even if he did? I'm not being argumentative, I just don't remember this. [/*]

I don't know if it's in any search warrants but I'm sure we were told early on that Jason called home after 9 to talk to Michelle about his plans to swing by his mother's house and stay the night Friday night. We were told that she asked him to call back after GA was over. We were told he called back after he got to the hotel close to 11. I'm sure LE has the definitive records but the information we were given matches with what I've posted.

[Jules2]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I'm sorry, Jules, I don't remember telling you that yesterday. [/*]

I was replying to Celiarun and a statement that she made to your post.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
IMO,she and Michelle had a good friendship or she would not be at her home watching GA. MOO [/*]

Do you know how long they'd known each other?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by agathachristie


I've been thinking about the two different bloody shoe prints on the pillow. I wonder how visible they were? We've never heard what color their linens were. I think that JY changed his shoes after the bloody murder and was unaware of either shoe print. If he had been he would have taken the pillow with him.

MOO Aggie [/*]

If he would have had enough blood on his shoes to leave a print on a pillow then there should have been at least some trace evidence of it on the floorboard or pedals of his vehicle.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by annalyzer


I have to look at it as if Jason did premeditate the murder, otherwise why stop at a hotel only 2.5 hours away? [/*]

My thoughts as well. If he is guilty, it seems pre-planned.

[gorealtors]

Originally posted by annalyzer


I have to look at it as if Jason did premeditate the murder, otherwise why stop at a hotel only 2.5 hours away? [/*]


IMO he stayed just far enough away to support his alibi and close enough to bring it all together.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Jules2


I was replying to Celiarun and a statement that she made to your post. [/*]

Thanks for clarifying, but the statement to Hiller about the link was mine, not hers.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by annalyzer


If he would have had enough blood on his shoes to leave a print on a pillow then there should have been at least some trace evidence of it on the floorboard or pedals of his vehicle. [/*]

You said that before when we were having this discussion, and I think you're right. I still haven't seen a plausible explanation for the 2 shoe prints on the pillow.

JMO

[Jules2]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Thanks for clarifying, but the statement to Hiller about the link was mine, not hers. [/*]

Then I'm surprised Celiarun didn't tell you that links weren't required since that's what she went on and on about to me yesterday. :shrug:

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Okay. Gotcha. Makes sense. [/*]

Unless he put on a hazmat suit before he got in his vehicle.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by zed


Forgot about that other call. I think that information originally came from the neighbor. I remember that Jason was checking with Michelle about going to his mom's after the meeting, something about furniture. I guess Jason's mom can verify that, as I seem to remember that there were additional calls to mom.

It does seem a little odd that Jason was picking up baby furniture when they should have already had baby furniture from Cassidy. I guess a chest of drawers wouldn't seem unusual. [/*]

Which call are you saying was reported by the neighbor?

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Do you know how long they'd known each other? [/*]No i don`t card, that is why i added mo.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by zed


Not Michelle's neighbor, Jason's neighbor. I didn't say that it was reported, I said that the rumor was delivered by the neighbor; Jason's neighbor. [/*]

No, I mean which call were you saying forget about - the 9:00 or the 11:00?

[annalyzer]

I don't mean a hazmat suit but one of those protective covering suits worn in hospitals, etc. I have one in the next room provided to me when caring for mom. It's to protect you in case of a large blood spill you need to clean up.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by annalyzer
I don't mean a hazmat suit but one of those protective covering suits worn in hospitals, etc. I have one in the next room provided to me when caring for mom. It's to protect you in case of a large blood spill you need to clean up. [/*]

With the shoe covers?

[HI_CYCLE]

Another board has a picture of the killer holding the glove. Now all LE have to do is identify this person. How hard will that be:shrug: Come on Det. Spivy,do your job.MOO:patriot:

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by janesdean


or he could have simply changed shoes [/*]

Again?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Cardinal


With the shoe covers? [/*]

Yes. And now that I'm an elderly caregiver my clients each have one at their residences.

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by janesdean


who's the killer in this picture, holding the glove ? and, what picture ? [/*]I have no idea who is in the picture holding the glove,,didn`t make that clear when i called upon the dect.to do his job.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Yes. And now that I'm an elderly caregiver my clients each have one at their residences. [/*]

I can't remember, did Jason ever sell medical supplies?



o/t I think it's great you're doing that now, annalyzer. There's a real need for experienced, caring people in that field.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Michelle's association with the GA friend was through Jason's relationship with the husband. I would doubt she would be the person that Michelle would be most likely to confide in regarding problems in her relationship with Jason. JMO [/*]

Why the need to minimize Michelle's relationship with the GA friend? They were obviously good friends if they were spending time together without their husbands present. :rolleyes:

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I can't remember, did Jason ever sell medical supplies?



o/t I think it's great you're doing that now, annalyzer. There's a real need for experienced, caring people in that field. [/*]

Thanks. I don't know but he did go to hospitals IIRC. Wouldn't be that hard to get one if you know what I mean.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by annalyzer


I have to look at it as if Jason did premeditate the murder, otherwise why stop at a hotel only 2.5 hours away? [/*]

One reason could be that he didn't want to drive in the mountains at night.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by janesdean


ok, lemme ask you another way, what board, what picture, what killer, what glove ? [/*]

Scout's, sw photo, Jason, what Jason is holding in photo.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Celiarun


One reason could be that he didn't want to drive in the mountains at night. [/*]

Yes, if he's innocent.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by zed


Michelle had a promising future and was a dedicated, much appreciated employee (link is available online by searching "Michelle Young" + "promising future"). [/*]

I don't think anyone would doubt that.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by janesdean


Well, that posters post still makes no sense to me, if it's the SW picture he is talking about, we all know who it is in it.
Sarcastic post, is that it ? Oh brother ..... [/*]

I dunno, just guessing. :D

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by janesdean


Then why would he deliberately leave at night ? [/*]

To get a headstart on the next day.

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by janesdean


ok, lemme ask you another way, what board, what picture, what killer, what glove ? [/*]Scout`s board,picture posted today showing unknown person holding the glove that posters have identified as glove killer wore to murder Michelle with.I was sure glove had been discarded never to be found. Boy i was wrong,here it is posted right on the INTERNET.moo

[shack]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
I have no idea who is in the picture holding the glove,,didn`t make that clear when i called upon the dect.to do his job. [/*]

I saw that. Yes I'm sure JY just walked right up to the desk at the motel carrying gloves and a water bottle. I thought it humorous. Look at the hands in the photo and you will know who it is.

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by zed


Do you have a link? [/*]
sure

http://frictionpowered.hqforums.com/13-vt94.html?postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=300

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
Scout`s board,picture posted today showing unknown person holding the glove that posters have identified as glove killer wore to murder Michelle with.I was sure glove had been discarded never to be found. Boy i was wrong,here it is posted right on the INTERNET.moo [/*]

HI_CYCLE, I think your sense of humor has escaped some. :D

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by zed


I suppose he could have stayed home rather than drive the 2.5 hours the night before. What was the total drive time? Wasn't it around 4 hours? Why couldn't he leave at 5 AM and get to the meeting on time? He could have overnighted at the meeting location and driven back the next day. According to Jason, Michelle didn't mind him being away that night, so if he was too tired to drive or didn't like the mountains, why not overnight after the meeting and drive well-rested, and after his meeting, during the day? [/*]

I still think Michelle asked him to leave.

JMO

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Why the need to minimize Michelle's relationship with the GA friend? They were obviously good friends if they were spending time together without their husbands present. [/*]

Still not someone you would confide dirty family secrets with, IMO. That's what the discussion was about and that's what I was responding to.

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by janesdean


Well, that posters post still makes no sense to me, if it's the SW picture he is talking about, we all know who it is in it.
Sarcastic post, is that it ? Oh brother ..... [/*]no,no,this picture is clear as a jay bird.Posted at 2;40 p.m I Think this poster has at long last solved this murder.Dang he is Good.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by janesdean


Not much of one. If he didn't like driving in the mountains he could have either left earlier Thursday and then stopped for a hotel after driving a reasonable distance, or just left EARLY Friday morning. Do we know how mountainous the route he took was, or if it was at all ? [/*]

I drove almost that same route about 10 years ago, and, unless the roads have improved considerably, I wouldn't want to drive it in the dark.

JMO

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by zed


I suppose he could have stayed home rather than drive the 2.5 hours the night before. What was the total drive time? Wasn't it around 4 hours? Why couldn't he leave at 5 AM and get to the meeting on time? He could have overnighted at the meeting location and driven back the next day. According to Jason, Michelle didn't mind him being away that night, so if he was too tired to drive or didn't like the mountains, why not overnight after the meeting and drive well-rested, and after his meeting, during the day? [/*]

I don't know the drive time because I don't know the road conditions and how fast it could be driven. You are attempting to second guess a decision without knowing all the circumstances. I guess you've never driven in the mountains at nighttime so its difficult for you to grasp why someone would prefer to make that part of the drive during the daytime.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Still not someone you would confide dirty family secrets with, IMO. That's what the discussion was about and that's what I was responding to. [/*]

IIRC, Michelle was said to have a temper (that is NOT a criticism - I obviously have one too ;) )

IF she did, and IF she were angry, do you think she would vent to someone who happened to be there?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
no,no,this picture is clear as a jay bird.Posted at 2;40 p.m I Think this poster has at long last solved this murder.Dang he is Good. [/*]

Yeah sorry, I hadn't seen that photo.

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by zed


Posters at some other board identified a glove as being worn by Michelle's murderer? Interesting, but do you have a link, or is this make-believe. Credibility is a valuable asset, so hopefully your facts are accurate. [/*]OH, my facts are correct,hope theirs is.IMO

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Still not someone you would confide dirty family secrets with, IMO. That's what the discussion was about and that's what I was responding to. [/*]

What is the basis of your opinion that Michelle wouldn't confide in her? The GA friend was with Michelle and they were close friends. I didn't realize either of those facts were in dispute.
:rolleyes:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Cardinal


IIRC, Michelle was said to have a temper (that is NOT a criticism - I obviously have one too ;) )

IF she did, and IF she were angry, do you think she would vent to someone who happened to be there? [/*]

I don't think so. Not the wife of her husband's best friend. I've not heard anything to indicate that she was that angry that night.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by zed


Why? I am wondering what is known that supports that idea? I know that Michelle had a couple of meetings with a therapist provided through work, and that rumors are her marriage was both unhappy and financially strained. If she asked him to leave, certainly the GA friend would know about it. Has that been confirmed? Asking a husband to move out would result in a bit of dramatics at departure time, even if there was a friend at the house, if we are to believe the "crime of passion" theory. [/*]

I admit it's speculation on my part, based upon the therapist visits and the rumors.

But IIRC, she was occupied with Cassidy after the GA friend arrived - wasn't that how Jason allegedly showed her the purse printout?

And because the GA friend IS married to Jason's good friend, would not both Jason and Michelle have an interest in maintaining appearances that evening?

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by janesdean


Well, fact remains we don't know how mountainous the route he took was and Jason drives all day/evening for a living so I doubt he has a phobia about roads of any kind. [/*]

The route is mountainous.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by janesdean


Isn't that what YOU are doing by suggesting Jason didn't like mountain driving at night ? And, how do we know if the route he took was mountainous ?
Second guessing aren't YOU ? Or, just diversion tactics, the subject was why Jason stopped at a hotel after driving only 2.5 hours. My thought is so he could head right back to Raleigh, and murder his wife. [/*]

I merely used common sense. Some of the locations he visited were in the mountains. It's not rocket science to figure out the route he drove to get there was mountainous....well, for some of us it isn't rocket science. :rolleyes:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by zed


Sounds like a very good reason to start off in the morning, rather than drive through the night until tired, and then by get stopped at the mountains. [/*]

Or leave earlier in the day and drive all the way to the destination and stay the night there.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Hi Jane. The boy grew up in the mountains. Why have any fear of conquering those roads at night? [/*]

Brevard is at the foot of the Blue Ridge - not truly "mountains" - (contrary to myth :D )

Clintwood VA is on the other side of the Blue Ridge.

JMO

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I don't think so. Not the wife of her husband's best friend. I've not heard anything to indicate that she was that angry that night. [/*]

Michelle and the GA friend were close friends. If Michelle was angry that night, the GA friend would have noticed it and passed that information off to LE.

:shrug:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Or leave earlier in the day and drive all the way to the destination and stay the night there. [/*]

It's likely he had other business to attend to during the workday Thursday that precluded his ability to leave earlier in that day.

:rolleyes:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by zed


Sounds like a very good reason to start off in the morning, rather than drive through the night until tired, and then by get stopped at the mountains. [/*]

I agree. Another reason I think Michelle asked him to leave.

JMO

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by agathachristie


I agree. Plus, the GA friend was a newlywed , was she not? Most women don't like to rain on a newlywed's afterglow, if you get my drift. And wasn't she also several years younger? If MY confided in anyone it was her mother and sister.

MOO Aggie [/*]

There are friends that you might share surface issues with and other family and very close friends that you share the deep issues. I agree about her confiding anything of a serious nature with her mother and sister. I don't think she would burden the GA friend with it. MO

[enigma™]

Originally posted by agathachristie
Hi Jane. The boy grew up in the mountains. Why have any fear of conquering those roads at night?

I do not believe for one minute that Jason was scared of anything, let alone driving at night through the hills of NC. He murdered his wife and had no fear of being caught. It is laughable that some would think he feared night driving. MUO

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by zed


In fact I understand driving mountains in the daytime so well, I have to wonder why Jason started out the evening before in the first place. If he left between 7 and 9, then he had 4-5 hours to arrive at his destination. If he knew the mountains would slow him down at night, why not have a good sleep at home and blitz it in the morning? We know he can blitz it, as he did exactly that from his meeting to moms and then home all without any additional sleep.

I do wonder what he was doing between leaving his house at perhaps 7:30 or 8:30 and arriving at his hotel perhaps 2.5 later if the drive time is only 1.5 hours (excluding the mountains). [/*]

I don't wonder why he didn't leave early morning and drive 4 or 5 hours into the mountains to attend a business meeting. I wouldn't do it nor would my employer expect me to do it. It appears that his employer didn't have a problem with it. His friend who told the media he wanted to "get a head start" didn't have a problem with it. Only posters who want him arrested have a problem with it. :rolleyes:

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by agathachristie


If MY confided in anyone it was her mother and sister.

MOO Aggie [/*]

That's what I said long ago and everyone argued that she would confide in her friends first. :shrug:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by zed


Quite true. If Jason knew that he had a 4-5 hour drive through the mountains (hopefully that didn't scare him), certainly he could have left at 4:30 in the afternoon, or the following morning? He would have been far more refreshed for his "one month into the job" meeting than the choice he made. [/*]

And maybe been on time! ;)

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by zed


I thought you just said no one knows what route he took, and now you say it isn't rocket science. Your inconsistency in comments is confusing. [/*]

You need to work on your comprehension skills. I said I don't know the mountainous road CONDITIONS including weather, grade, speed limit, etc. Some of the locations he visited were in the MOUNTAINS. Comprende?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by zed


Are you suggesting that he knew he was going to be out of town, but couldn't finish his work that day until late in the evening? Was he too disorganized to complete his office work on time (as a traveling salesman) so he had flexible, convenient, cost effective traveling times and expenses? [/*]

No, I didn't suggest that at all, zed. Why are you having such difficulty understanding my posts? My employer doesn't expect me to put in a full business workday and then drive five hours into the mountains for the next one and apparently Jason's didn't either.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by zed


There's nothing to support that. Michelle had at most 3 meetings with the work related therapist. There was no knowledge amongst her co-workers that there was a problem in her marriage. Others have come forward since the murder claiming there was conflict, or that the marriage was acrimonious, but nothing supports the idea that they were separating. If anything, I expect Michelle would have waited until after the birth of Rylan before making a decision like that, but that's just family planning. [/*]

I said it was speculation on my part. But the one coworker on the NCW show did mention Michelle's anger/disappointment at Jason's reaction to the auto accident. We don't know what she may have said to her coworkers.

And I don't think Michelle would have felt the need to wait until after Rylan's birth IF she had decided to end her marriage. I think she was too strong to be constrained by her pregnancy.

And I think that IF she asked him to leave that night, it was triggered shortly before that and she wouldn't necessarily have had time to share it with anyone. And she may have decided not to ruin Homecoming weekend by sharing it with anyone.

JMO

JMO

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by janesdean


You are the one who doesn't comprehend that for the most part the posters here do NOT buy your imaginary facts and no matter how you twist and misrepresent facts, you are transparent and for some reason, desparate to be believed although you are NOT. [/*]

Jason's business meeting locations are not my imagination, janesdean. These locations are on maps, if you'd bother to look.

If my posts bother you so much, feel free to put me on ignore. :rolleyes:

[luna24]

Originally posted by zed


Forgot about that other call. I think that information originally came from the neighbor. I remember that Jason was checking with Michelle about going to his mom's after the meeting, something about furniture. I guess Jason's mom can verify that, as I seem to remember that there were additional calls to mom.

It does seem a little odd that Jason was picking up baby furniture when they should have already had baby furniture from Cassidy. I guess a chest of drawers wouldn't seem unusual. [/*]

I thought that was odd too..I also always thought it was odd that he was going to change his plans to "swing by" his parents house, that far away, when his friends were on their way to the Young's to stay over for the weekend or a night? Am I remembering that correctly?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by agathachristie


He wasn't home on Oct. 31st for the halloween gathering.
No one knows where he was.
It's very possible he could have blown in for a few hours , then left again.

MOO Aggie [/*]

They did seem to spend a lot of time apart as a couple in the months prior to Michelle's death. And it wasn't time apart as the result of his job either. IMO

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by zed


I take it this isn't a media link. [/*]Surely you:biggrin:
look closely at his feet and I would suggest 2 you a size 10 shoe. moo

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by zed


Oh puleese, not the comprehension again. I try so hard, but the likelihood of you and me comprehending at the same time fits well in the null set.

No one is asking for that level of detail (requested, not required, on this thread). You suggested that Jason was afraid of driving in mountains after dark so he bunked down early. Then you suggested that you didn't really know what route he took. Finally you said that it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out his route.

I'm no rocket scientist, so I assumed your first statement was accurate: that he was simply afraid of the mountain roads. [/*]

Your assumptions are because you have comprehension problems. Please stop misrepresenting my posts. :no:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by janesdean


I am not talking about Jason's business meeting locations, that is simply another in a long line of YOUR twists and misrepresentations. And, if I had to put posters on ignore as much as you "claim" you do, I would not feel as if I could handle posting on a message board. What do you do in real life when someone exposes your fabrications, or doesn't agree with you?
Put them on "Ignore" LOL [/*]

I put baiters on ignore. :seeya:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
Surely you:biggrin:
look closely at his feet and I would suggest 2 you a size 10 shoe. moo [/*]

I thought it was verified in the SWs that Jason wore a size 12 :shrug: So you believe he could have been wearing the size 10?

[shack]

Originally posted by zed


In fact I understand driving mountains in the daytime so well, I have to wonder why Jason started out the evening before in the first place. If he left between 7 and 9, then he had 4-5 hours to arrive at his destination. If he knew the mountains would slow him down at night, why not have a good sleep at home and blitz it in the morning? We know he can blitz it, as he did exactly that from his meeting to moms and then home all without any additional sleep.

I do wonder what he was doing between leaving his house at perhaps 7:30 or 8:30 and arriving at his hotel perhaps 2.5 later if the drive time is only 1.5 hours (excluding the mountains). [/*]

Its 171 + miles from Raleigh to the motel. Mapquest says 2 hrs. 54 min. drive time . Did you drive it in 1.5 hrs?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by luna24


I thought that was odd too..I also always thought it was odd that he was going to change his plans to "swing by" his parents house, that far away, when his friends were on their way to the Young's to stay over for the weekend or a night? Am I remembering that correctly? [/*]

iirc, the friends were not arriving until Saturday afternoon. They were planning to attend the late afternoon football game together and then go to the Youngs'.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
Surely you:biggrin:
look closely at his feet and I would suggest 2 you a size 10 shoe. moo [/*]

somebody trying to photoshop some "evidence" eh? That's pretty desperate, imvho.

[gorealtors]

Originally posted by Celiarun


iirc, the friends were not arriving until Saturday afternoon. They were planning to attend the late afternoon football game together and then go to the Youngs'. [/*]


No, no, no, no, no. The friends were going to arrive on Friday afternoon.JMO

[gorealtors]

Originally posted by janesdean


ITA Aggie, that's the way I remember it too, also, wasn't the game on Friday nite? [/*]


Janesdean, the game was on Sat with a pregame tailgate all set in place.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by janesdean


ITA Aggie, that's the way I remember it too, also, wasn't the game on Friday nite? [/*]

The game was on Saturday but it was homecoming and tailgating starts early. The friends were coming to stay Friday night and go to the game on Saturday. They were called enroute and told about the murder. They continued on to Raleigh and stayed with other friends instead. IMO

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by agathachristie


I recall the details differently.
They were headed TO the Youngs when they rec'd a call that MY had been murdered.
As upset as they were, they decided to continue to Raleigh anyway.

MOO Aggie [/*]

iirc, all of Jason's friends were notified of the murder by another friend on Friday afternoon. But the overnight guests were staying at the Young's Saturday night, not Friday night.

[gorealtors]

Originally posted by Celiarun


iirc, all of Jason's friends were notified of the murder by another friend on Friday afternoon. But the overnight guests were staying at the Young's Saturday night, not Friday night. [/*]


I seem to recall they were staying BOTH nights.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Celiarun


If that were remotely true, these friends wouldn't still be visiting with one another, spending vacations together, etc. :no: [/*]


Really?
On what authority do you have this info?

Inquiring minds want to know.

MOO

Swabby

It is my understanding that Jason has been permanently Uninvited. Perhaps your informant and my informant will meet in court?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by gorealtors



No, no, no, no, no. The friends were going to arrive on Friday afternoon.JMO [/*]

That's the myth you're still trying to promote nearly two years later. LE knows the truth.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by gorealtors



I seem to recall they were staying BOTH nights. [/*]

No, I have been told the guest expected Friday night cancelled at the last minute due to illness. LE interviewed him, I'm pretty sure.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by gorealtors



I seem to recall they were staying BOTH nights. [/*]

Thank you! It is so helpful to have people in the know to correct the misinformation that gets reported as fact. IMO

[gorealtors]

Originally posted by Celiarun


That's the myth you're still trying to promote nearly two years later. LE knows the truth. [/*]

Sure they have their facts and I have mine.Guess what? They match!:D The couple was enroute on FRIDAY and received the sad news about Michelle... came to Raleigh anyway and stayed with other friends.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Michelle's association with the GA friend was through Jason's relationship with the husband. I would doubt she would be the person that Michelle would be most likely to confide in regarding problems in her relationship with Jason. JMO [/*]

BINGO!

But I would bet that "pillow talk" has revealed a plethora of info in the last couple of years.

Poor GA friend.

MOO

Swabby

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Thank you! It is so helpful to have people in the know to correct the misinformation that gets reported as fact. IMO [/*]

It's a myth started on this forum. After two years promoting it as fact without any links whatsoever, don't you have anything better to do?

[5swab5]

Originally posted by annalyzer


If he would have had enough blood on his shoes to leave a print on a pillow then there should have been at least some trace evidence of it on the floorboard or pedals of his vehicle. [/*]

WHY?

It was his house. He had a whole closet full of shoes for replacements.

JMO

Swabby

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by agathachristie
That poor girl ! Imagine what she has been feeling?

The last to see MY alive, vibrant, and well.

The last to witness CY being lovingly tucked into bed by her mother for the LAST time.

It must haunt her.

MOO Aggie [/*]

I have to believe that she is most anxious to have the murderer arrested and put behind bars.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by agathachristie
That poor girl ! Imagine what she has been feeling?

The last to see MY alive, vibrant, and well.

The last to witness CY being lovingly tucked into bed by her mother for the LAST time.

It must haunt her.

MOO Aggie [/*]

So true, Aggie. I can't imagine the questions she must have and the horror she must feel.

Goodnight, everybody. :seeya:

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I thought it was verified in the SWs that Jason wore a size 12 :shrug: So you believe he could have been wearing the size 10? [/*]I believe the individual holding the glove,, posted at 2;40 pm is wearing a size 10 shoe and all left to solve the murder is to identify who this person is. I am calling for all who want justice to e mail or call the DA and let him know the killer is in possession of the glove.DO it now, today.

Now I have a,can not miss, football game to watch.GO GATORS....

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
I believe the individual holding the glove,, posted at 2;40 pm is wearing a size 10 shoe and all left to solve the murder is to identify who this person is. I am calling for all who want justice to e mail or call the DA and let him know the killer is in possession of the glove.DO it now, today.

<snipped>
[/*]

What are you talking about??? :shrug:

[5swab5]

Originally posted by zed


I had forgotten about the 9:30 call that Jason supposedly (rumored) made to Michelle about collecting furniture from his mom's house. There was an additional call between 11 and midnight from Jason to Michelle after he arrived at the hotel (also rumored). Presumably Pat can verify the 9:30 calls, as the rumor is that Jason spoke with both Michelle and his mother regarding collecting baby furniture rather than welcoming his weekend guests. The rumor is that Jason asked Michelle if it was ok. Michelle was only 20 weeks pregnant, so there was no urgency to picking up the furniture on such a busy weekend, and it was a bit out of the way from his meeting and home.

Grey's Anatomy was on TV from 9-10. [/*]

Good,

I am not alone.



I think that the phone records from Jason, during the very late hours of Nov.2nd will prove useful to the Prosecutors. Rumor has it, that he called every-other friend he had that night, WHY not the couple that were coming from Charlotte to stay for the Homecoming game? An N.C. State season-ticket holder would NOT do that.

A mistake?

A designed in flaw?

OR method to his madness?
MOO

Swabby

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by gorealtors


Sure they have their facts and I have mine.Guess what? They match!:D The couple was enroute on FRIDAY and received the sad news about Michelle... came to Raleigh anyway and stayed with other friends. [/*]

Your source appears to be the problem...

[gorealtors]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
I believe the individual holding the glove,, posted at 2;40 pm is wearing a size 10 shoe and all left to solve the murder is to identify who this person is. I am calling for all who want justice to e mail or call the DA and let him know the killer is in possession of the glove.DO it now, today.

Now I have a,can not miss, football game to watch.GO GATORS.... [/*]


I have a question?:biggrin: How on earth can you tell from that picture that the person is wearing a size 10 shoe? You must have unknown talents.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
I believe the individual holding the glove,, posted at 2;40 pm is wearing a size 10 shoe and all left to solve the murder is to identify who this person is. I am calling for all who want justice to e mail or call the DA and let him know the killer is in possession of the glove.DO it now, today.

Now I have a,can not miss, football game to watch.GO GATORS.... [/*]

:beer:

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by 5swab5


WHY?

It was his house. He had a whole closet full of shoes for replacements.

JMO

Swabby [/*]

So he wore the shoes shown in the video home, then changed into the size 10's to kill her, then changed back into a pair of hushpuppies, then stepped in blood again, then changed into another pair, gathered all the other shoes to dispose of...

No wonder he was at the house until the newspaper boy delivered. :eek:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by annalyzer


So he wore the shoes shown in the video home, then changed into the size 10's to kill her, then changed back into a pair of hushpuppies, then stepped in blood again, then changed into another pair, gathered all the other shoes to dispose of...

No wonder he was at the house until the newspaper boy delivered. :eek: [/*]

I think he wore the hush puppies home. I think it's possible that he changed into the Franklin's after he showered and changed clothes. It's possible that the blood was wiped from the soles by the time he got to the car and no trace remained. IMO

I consider that theory a very remote possibility. There are others that I think fit the evidence better but if he was the wearer of both sets of shoes, that's what I would think happened.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by zed


The position he had when Michelle was murdered was medical software traveling salesman. He had only been in the position for about a month, and was let go (not sure if it was voluntary) at the time of the murder. According to Jason's Mom's neighbor, Jason had a number of different career paths in the years prior to his wife's murder. Michelle had a promising future and was a dedicated, much appreciated employee (link is available online by searching "Michelle Young" + "promising future"). [/*]

And therein is the motive.

I think that Jason got caught playing footsie with MM.

Michelle was getting ready to "kick him out".
Alimony in N.C. isn't so forgiving as some would like to think for a straying spouse.

MOO

Swabby

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by annalyzer


So he wore the shoes shown in the video home, then changed into the size 10's to kill her, then changed back into a pair of hushpuppies, then stepped in blood again, then changed into another pair, gathered all the other shoes to dispose of...

No wonder he was at the house until the newspaper boy delivered. :eek: [/*]

:lol:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I think he wore the hush puppies home. I think it's possible that he changed into the Franklin's after he showered and changed clothes. It's possible that the blood was wiped from the soles by the time he got to the car and no trace remained. IMO

I consider that theory a very remote possibility. There are others that I think fit the evidence better but if he was the wearer of both sets of shoes, that's what I would think happened. [/*]

What better theory explains two different shoe prints were both made by Jason Young? Did a mouse wear the second shoe and step on the pillow, too?

[gorealtors]

Originally posted by Celiarun


What better theory explains two different shoe prints were both made by Jason Young? Did a mouse wear the second shoe and step on the pillow, too? [/*]

Rather doubt it. He grabbed whatever he could find in his closet. Bear in mind... the bloody part of the murder wasn't in the cards... it threw the entire masterplan into a tailspin.JMO

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Celiarun


To get a headstart on the next day. [/*]

LOL!

Surely you jest!

The "sleepy one".


THE Jason that was SO tired that he couldn't continue for another single second? Yet was back downstairs in ONE hour in different clothes? AND late for a meeting OVER 11 hours later?

SURELY NOT the Jason whose wife and unborn child were coincidentally slaughtered on the very night that Jason was last seen (see SW for key-card use) heading toward an EXIT?

Not the SAME door that had a rock placed in it that night to prevent accountability.

Certainly, not "that" Jason.

MOO

Swabby

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by gorealtors


Rather doubt it. He grabbed whatever he could find in his closet. Bear in mind... the bloody part of the murder wasn't in the cards... it threw the entire masterplan into a tailspin.JMO [/*]

I agree with that. It wasn't supposed to be a brutal beating. IMO

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Cardinal


IIRC, Michelle was said to have a temper (that is NOT a criticism - I obviously have one too ;) )

IF she did, and IF she were angry, do you think she would vent to someone who happened to be there? [/*]

Cardinal,

Tough call on that one. By most estimations Michelle was supposed to be a mentor to the GA friend, so I doubt it.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Celiarun


It's likely he had other business to attend to during the workday Thursday that precluded his ability to leave earlier in that day.

:rolleyes: [/*]

Actually it is UN likely, that IF Jason were on a voyage for his Company, that he Couldn't and Wouldn't be excused for "taking off early" on Thursday.

Happens ALL the time.

JMO

Swabby

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by agathachristie



HUH ??????? :confused:
Don't go until you have translated.
You have totally lost me. [/*]

I believe the poster saw a picture on another site that was a reenactment of the hallway picture from the Hampton Inn video. It was showing what might have been in the hands of the person in the original picture. She saw the size 15 Bruno Maglis and assumed that MUST be a picture of the killer. I think that is where all the confusion has come from. IMO

[5swab5]

Originally posted by shack


Its 171 + miles from Raleigh to the motel. Mapquest says 2 hrs. 54 min. drive time . Did you drive it in 1.5 hrs? [/*]

Hi Shack!

IF you had started out with all of us...way back when...you would have gotten a REAL education on "MapQuest" vs. 'time travel'



MOO

Swabby

PSST, They LIE!

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Oh no !!!!!!!
You said the BM word !!!!!!!!!
Bruno Maglis ?????????????????
Not THOSE shoes ???????
Those ugly azz shoes???????
Say it isn't so !!!!!!!!!!! [/*]

You're right. I don't know what she was thinking. The poster that she thought was in the picture wouldn't be caught dead in those.

But back to the case; the limited pictures from the 2/13-14 search warrants definitely show Jason in different clothing headed towards the exit door. There are feeble excuses given for why he may not have actually exited the hotel but there is no evidence to back up the feeble excuses. Would he really have left the hotel without securing his room? Why was there no other entry recorded with his key card during his entire stay?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by agathachristie



HUH ??????? :confused:
Don't go until you have translated.
You have totally lost me. [/*]

HI believes the killer posted a pix of himself holding gloves and wearing the size 10 shoes he wore the night he killed Michelle.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


HI believes the killer posted a pix of himself holding gloves and wearing the size 10 shoes he wore the night he killed Michelle. [/*]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[shack]

Originally posted by Celiarun


No, I have been told the guest expected Friday night cancelled at the last minute due to illness. LE interviewed him, I'm pretty sure. [/*]

That is right . I have it from someone that knows and that person the Friday night guest is no longer with us now.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by shack


That is right . I have it from someone that knows and that person the Friday night guest is no longer with us now. [/*]

How is that possible? You're a law student in Cincinnati, OH that just found out about this case last month. I question your "inside information" IMO.

[shack]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Hi Shack!

IF you had started out with all of us...way back when...you would have gotten a REAL education on "MapQuest" vs. 'time travel'



MOO

Swabby

PSST, They LIE! [/*]

Oh don't tell me please don't tell me you are smarter than map quest. If you were that smart you wouldn't be wasting your time arguing over a murder of someone you don't even know. IMO

[shack]

Originally posted by Barbara2


How is that possible? You're a law student in Cincinnati, OH that just found out about this case last month. I question your "inside information" IMO. [/*]

Fedex stays busy delivering new information every day. Pretty soon and I may have pictures to show you.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by shack


Oh don't tell me please don't tell me you are smarter than map quest. If you were that smart you wouldn't be wasting your time arguing over a murder of someone you don't even know. IMO [/*]

Anyone who has ever used MapQuest knows that they overestimate the travel time required. I think that was discussed here recently. IMO, IDCIYBM.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by shack


Fedex stays busy delivering new information every day. Pretty soon and I may have pictures to show you. [/*]

But you still have a problem with that UC law school schedule. ;)

IMO

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Celiarun


iirc, the friends were not arriving until Saturday afternoon. They were planning to attend the late afternoon football game together and then go to the Youngs'. [/*]


Nah Celianun,

NC State Homecoming is a HUGE deal!

Everyone has to have a place to go and be prepare for it WAY ahead of time..IF you are so lucky.

I doubt the Charlotte couple "feels" so lucky.

Q: When DID Jason FINALLY call them?

A: He didn't....he was too busy "RACING" back to Raleigh to collect Cassidy.! HAH!


Destroy Evidence.

And enlist the Family in his charade.

IMO!

Swabby

[Sparrow]

Originally posted by shack


That is right . I have it from someone that knows and that person the Friday night guest is no longer with us now. [/*]

different guests
guest from one direction cancelled
guests from other direction did not
these are longtime established facts for those with knowledgeable sources

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Sparrow


different guests
guest from one direction cancelled
guests from other direction did not
these are longtime established facts for those with knowledgeable sources [/*]

Thank you. I appreciate the clarification.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Celiarun


That's the myth you're still trying to promote nearly two years later. LE knows the truth. [/*]

LE knows the truth

Hallelujah!

JMO

Swabby

[Sparrow]

Originally posted by zed


Is that like a dead soldier? [/*]

pardon?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Are you saying that one of the friday night guests has died?

Or are you saying that one of the friday night guests is a former poster that no longer posts on this board?

Please clarify. [/*]

I was wondering the same thing. :chicken:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


You're right. I don't know what she was thinking. The poster that she thought was in the picture wouldn't be caught dead in those.

But back to the case; the limited pictures from the 2/13-14 search warrants definitely show Jason in different clothing headed towards the exit door. There are feeble excuses given for why he may not have actually exited the hotel but there is no evidence to back up the feeble excuses. Would he really have left the hotel without securing his room? Why was there no other entry recorded with his key card during his entire stay? [/*]

There is no evidence so far that we've seen that proves Jason left the hotel. Those "excuses" that you call "feeble" so far trump the lack of proof he left the hotel. :lol:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by shack


That is right . I have it from someone that knows and that person the Friday night guest is no longer with us now. [/*]

May he rest in peace.

:rose:

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Celiarun


May he rest in peace.

:rose: [/*]

Who?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Sparrow


different guests
guest from one direction cancelled
guests from other direction did not
these are longtime established facts for those with knowledgeable sources [/*]

guests from the "other direction" were coming on Saturday. A knowledgeable source would know the Youngs had only one guest room. :rolleyes:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by annalyzer


I was wondering the same thing. :chicken: [/*]

I think if you read Sparrows post it clarifies and corrects the misinformation being perpetrated by some posters. IMO

[enigma™]

Originally posted by agathachristie

Are you saying that one of the friday night guests has died?

Or are you saying that one of the friday night guests is a former poster that no longer posts on this board?

Please clarify.

The shack du june is telling us that one of the guests is no longer with them (us = JII's). It is my belief that june du shack is suggesting that the guest no longer believes that Jason is innocent, hence no longer with them (us). :shrug:

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Celiarun
guests from the "other direction" were coming on Saturday. A knowledgeable source would know the Youngs had only one guest room. :rolleyes:

One guest room means what? That they couldn't accommodate more people by inflating air mattresses? The Youngs had plenty of room and these people were young, so they wouldn't mind so much as someone in your age bracket.
I bet they would forego the comforts of private accommodations to spend time with friends. That is what homecoming weekends are all about, but you probably were never invited to one. One must be an alumnus of a University or other institute of higher education to get an invitation. Or even a high school graduate, but I bet you knew that. :rolleyes:

[5swab5]

Originally posted by annalyzer


So he wore the shoes shown in the video home, then changed into the size 10's to kill her, then changed back into a pair of hushpuppies, then stepped in blood again, then changed into another pair, gathered all the other shoes to dispose of...

No wonder he was at the house until the newspaper boy delivered. :eek: [/*]

Sorry, but I don't "see" Jason in HPs at the hotel.

What difference does it make anyway?

He had an ENDLESS
supply to use (in his closet), not use...AND dispose of?

MOO

Swabby

:shrug:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by enigma™


One guest room means what? That they couldn't accommodate more people by inflating air mattresses? The Youngs had plenty of room and these people were young, so they wouldn't mind so much as someone in your age bracket.
I bet they would forego the comforts of private accommodations to spend time with friends. That is what homecoming weekends are all about, but you probably were never invited to one. One must be an alumnus of a University or other institute of higher education to get an invitation. Or even a high school graduate, but I bet you knew that. :rolleyes: [/*]

We know that they had four bedrooms and were only using two of them at the time. We know they also had what is called a "bonus" room. I don't think they were lacking for space in that big house. IMO.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Celiarun


HI believes the killer posted a pix of himself holding gloves and wearing the size 10 shoes he wore the night he killed Michelle. [/*]


Forgive Me,
"HI"

I am confused.

TIA

Swabby

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


We know that they had four bedrooms and were only using two of them at the time. We know they also had what is called a "bonus" room. I don't think they were lacking for space in that big house. IMO. [/*]

you continue to post misinformation, Barbara2. Is this your hobby? The Youngs' home had three bedrooms. The area used as the office was not an enclosed room. The bonus room was Cassidy's playroom. Why do you waste time intentionally posting misinformation? The cops know the truth despite your best efforts to obscure it.

:rolleyes:

[5swab5]

Originally posted by shack


That is right . I have it from someone that knows and that person the Friday night guest is no longer with us now. [/*]


IF I am reading your post correct?

Please tell me that Jason hasn't gone on another rampage.

PMs are fine. TIA

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by shack


Oh don't tell me please don't tell me you are smarter than map quest. If you were that smart you wouldn't be wasting your time arguing over a murder of someone you don't even know. IMO [/*]

THAT is pretty cruel

I didn't Personally know Raymond, Jeni, Kathleen, Carlie, Jessica, Lori, Laci, Connor, Jayden, RYLAN or Michelle OR countless others..but it changes NOTHING!

They are 6' UNDER!

I WILL NEVER QUIT!

Take THAT to the BANK


JUSTICE!

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Celiarun


you continue to post misinformation, Barbara2. Is this your hobby? The Youngs' home had three bedrooms. The area used as the office was not an enclosed room. The bonus room was Cassidy's playroom. Why do you waste time intentionally posting misinformation? The cops know the truth despite your best efforts to obscure it.

:rolleyes: [/*]


Good GRIEF!

What are we talking about here?

A distinction, without a difference?

Pretty soon, they will be giving us a NEW and IMPROVED definition of "No Sex". Mark my Words!

MOO

Swabby ROTFLMAO!

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Sorry, but I don't "see" Jason in HPs at the hotel.

What difference does it make anyway?

He had an ENDLESS
supply to use (in his closet), not use...AND dispose of?

[/*]


I can understand him having to change shoes after the murder but I don't see him changing them twice, getting blood on the clean shoes and leaving two different shoe prints on a pillow. In order to not leave a trace of blood in his vehicle he would have to change shoes a third time. No trace amounts of blood found in his vehicle from all of these bloody shoes and clothes is just hard to believe. If there had been any blood he would have been arrested. No wonder LE is having such a hard time. :confused:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by SkyPlot


"The area used as the office was not an enclosed room"

Really ? 4 walls and 2 doors is not an enclosed room :confused: [/*]

The area wasn't a room with four walls and 2 doors. :rolleyes:

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by SkyPlot


It was his house, how hard is that to understand ? [/*]

Who said it wasn't his house? You got a problem newbie?
:punch:

[5swab5]

Originally posted by agathachristie


He wasn't home on Oct. 31st for the halloween gathering.
No one knows where he was.
It's very possible he could have blown in for a few hours , then left again.

MOO Aggie [/*]

I will always wonder about that.

Ya know, the ALL Loving, CARING Father & (CHOKE) husband.

Why miss Cassidy's first real Halloween. Doesn't make ANY sense.

Was he Otherwise enGAGED?

OR Jason doesn't just show up on "ELM STREET" every few years?

MOO

Swabby

Try BirchLeaf.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Doorbell


Trying to catch up here, after a LONG absence.

Two points:

a) Mapquest is not as smart as it thinks it is. It frequentely gets people lost who use it to try and find my workplace.

*) YOU are here arguing over a murder of someone you don't even know.

Some of us feel that too many young and pregnant women are being killed, often by their husbands or boyfriends or fiances. Some of us feel the need to try and understand this phenomenon, and see justice for the victims, any of whom could be our (or your) daughters, sisters, friends or cousins.

Every one of these victims has a mother who loved her, raised her, hugged her, and sent her off to have a lovely life, and to do the same for her own daughter.

Michelle's daughter will never have that from Michelle, and is not even allowed to get such love from the person who gave it to Michelle--Linda.

Among other things, I am hoping to have something from here that I can teach my own daughters.

IMO [/*]

To say that Michelle's daughter will never have love from Michelle trivializes the relationship that was able to take place between mother and child, brief as it was. I bet CY still remembers her mother's touch. Nothing Linda can do or say will bring back Michelle, unfortunately.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by SkyPlot


You are wrong------AGAIN [/*]

You sure didn't waste time returning with a new nic. No, I am not wrong. The original plan was altered by the previous owner and the area was open to the stairway and hall. No doorway. It was open and used as an office and pass thru to the bonus room. Also a moot point. The friends weren't expected Friday evening. Time for you to deal with the truth.:no:

[5swab5]

Originally posted by annalyzer


So he wore the shoes shown in the video home, then changed into the size 10's to kill her, then changed back into a pair of hushpuppies, then stepped in blood again, then changed into another pair, gathered all the other shoes to dispose of...

No wonder he was at the house until the newspaper boy delivered. :eek: [/*]

Hi Annalyzer,

I Agree, it was disorganized. BUT, he still had probably 101 options for replacement shoes...once he was back in control.

Wonder IF he EVER had a private SECOND of control...until Michelle's last breath? (RIP Rylan)

I will always believe that Michelle thwarted the "strangulation " attempt. Makes me sick to type this, but...she fought. Fought HARD!

For herself, Rylan, and probably more than anything...Cassidy in the adjoining room.

Sickens me to my core.

It will get UGLY once Jason is arrested. But, I will not be surprised.

:shrug:

^^^^^MOO

Swabby

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Doorbell


Perhaps Michelle's daughter will remember her. Michelle will not be there to fix her hair for kindergarten, to help her learn cheers for tryouts, to talk to her about boyfriends, fasten a string of pearls around her neck on her wedding day, or do any of the other things mothers do for their daughters.

If Linda did these things (and others like them) for Michelle, it would be nice if she could do them for Cass as well. [/*]

Nice and unrealistic, imvho.

[Celiarun]

There is not a door to the office, no fourth wall, only three. I have a floorplan of the house and photos provided by the realtor.
:rolleyes:

[5swab5]

Originally posted by shack


Fedex stays busy delivering new information every day. Pretty soon and I may have pictures to show you. [/*]

I anxiously await your confirmation.

Please let us ALL know. TIA

MOO

Swabby

[Celiarun]

There have been plenty of credible links posted. A sealed search warrant does exist whether you want to believe it or not.

[Jules2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


There have been plenty of credible links posted. A sealed search warrant does exist whether you want to believe it or not. [/*]


Where have there been credible links posted that state WHAT is in the sealed search warrants?

You need to brush up on your comprehension skills. You have repeatedly claimed to be privy to what is in those sealed warrants because "someone" told you.

So where's your link?

[Celiarun]

I've seen a floor plan of the Young home as it was at the time of the murder and in the days afterward. I've seen photos. No door to the office area, just a large doorway. I'm not sure why you can't deal with such a minor fact.
:rolleyes:

[Jules2]

Originally posted by SkyPlot


Jules, there is one last 'sealed' SW executed 7-5-07. [/*]


I'm aware of that, SP but Celiarun claims to know that what is in the warrant points at someone other than Jason. We are supposed to believe her (without a credible link) because someone told her.


Celiarun
Member

Registered: May 2008
Location:
Posts: 985



What is sealed points solidly at someone other than Jason Young whether you want to accept it or not.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logg:shrug:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Jules2



Where have there been credible links posted that state WHAT is in the sealed search warrants?

You need to brush up on your comprehension skills. You have repeatedly claimed to be privy to what is in those sealed warrants because "someone" told you.

So where's your link? [/*]

Sorry. I can't link to what I've been told. You didn't believe it last year when posters noted that not all search warrants had been returned.

:shrug:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Jules2



I'm aware of that, SP but Celiarun claims to know that what is in the warrant points at someone other than Jason. We are supposed to believe her (without a credible link) because someone told her.


Celiarun
Member

Registered: May 2008
Location:
Posts: 985



What is sealed points solidly at someone other than Jason Young whether you want to accept it or not.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logg:shrug: [/*]

Jules, use a little common sense, if possible. A judge would not seal one search warrant that points to Jason Young's involvement but refuse to seal others. One reason to seal search warrants is to ensure a fair trial. If the results of any of those search warrants had revealed evidence that proved motive or opportunity, they would have been sealed. :read: a few law books and statutes.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by annalyzer



I can understand him having to change shoes after the murder but I don't see him changing them twice, getting blood on the clean shoes and leaving two different shoe prints on a pillow. In order to not leave a trace of blood in his vehicle he would have to change shoes a third time. No trace amounts of blood found in his vehicle from all of these bloody shoes and clothes is just hard to believe. If there had been any blood he would have been arrested. No wonder LE is having such a hard time. :confused: [/*]


Fair enough.

I am thinking that he wanted to make an appearance AT the "Front Desk" ...which Jason did.

By the pics alone, he was interacting with someone and "Waiting?" for something?

ONE hour after "check-in"???

ONE HOUR..after stopping...because he was too tired to continue...except for a POSSIBLE Alibi"?

What was he getting about MidNight on the VERY night that his wife and unBORN child were Annihilated? (with the ROCK-IN-THE-LOCK)


Questions????????

MOO
Swabby

[COLOR=silver]WHY, was Mr. Jason Lynn Young LATE for his meeting the next day?...Lord knows he started out in PLENTY of time to get there!

[Jules2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Sorry. I can't link to what I've been told. You didn't believe it last year when posters noted that not all search warrants had been returned.

:shrug: [/*]


Well thank you, you just proved my whole point.

Your info is supposed to be credible just because you've been told something yet you slam SkyPlot for posting something that he was informed of. You demand a link and if not the poster's credibility is "busted".


There's that old double standard again.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Jules2



Well thank you, you just proved my whole point.

Your info is supposed to be credible just because you've been told something yet you slam SkyPlot for posting something that he was informed of. You demand a link and if not the poster's credibility is "busted".


There's that old double standard again. [/*]

If you want to believe his lies, go for it. I don't.

Nobody's forcing you to believe anything I post. I've only asked for links for libelous rumors posted as fact that I have been told directly are untrue, i.e., "Jason's friends think he's guilty and have turned on him."

[Jules2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


If you want to believe his lies, go for it. I don't.

Nobody's forcing you to believe anything I post. I've only asked for links for libelous rumors posted as fact that I have been told directly are untrue, i.e., "Jason's friends think he's guilty and have turned on him." [/*]


Actually they aren't lies.

How do I know?


My source told me. ;)

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Jules2



Actually they aren't lies.

How do I know?


My source told me. ;) [/*]

:rolleyes:

[BiggerRedDog]

Originally posted by Doorbell So. Your sources are trustworthy, but others' sources, particularly if they appear to have info that does not support Jason, are not?
Right... [/*]That's what it looks like to me, Doorbell.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Doorbell


So. Your sources are trustworthy, but others' sources, particularly if they appear to have info that does not support Jason, are not?

Right... [/*]

My sources have been proved right: LE sat on search warrants.

You'll have to ask those posters who are doing it why they have a need to lie.

:rolleyes:

[5swab5]

Originally posted by annalyzer



I can understand him having to change shoes after the murder but I don't see him changing them twice, getting blood on the clean shoes and leaving two different shoe prints on a pillow. In order to not leave a trace of blood in his vehicle he would have to change shoes a third time. No trace amounts of blood found in his vehicle from all of these bloody shoes and clothes is just hard to believe. If there had been any blood he would have been arrested. No wonder LE is having such a hard time. :confused: [/*]



I understand where you are coming from & going.

My contention, is that Jason "thought" he could sneak back, do the nasty and walk into a NEW WORLD...With Michelle's money .

AHhhh, Fortunately she FOUGHT like a trogan!

I will always believe that PLAN A failed.. (massive blood) Plan "*" is where the "Genius" made a lot of mistakes. IMO

Question is, how Cooperative and Complicit are the "abettors" in Brevard and environs willing to commit to...

That possibility paralyzes Me. Yet it is not only ongoing..but AMPED-up!

JMO..

Swabby.

Sad Day for Rylan:rose:

Sad for Michelle :rose:

Cassidy deserves SO MUCH better!

[BiggerRedDog]

Originally posted by 5swab5 I understand where you are coming from & going.
My contention, is that Jason "thought" he could sneak back, do the nasty and walk into a NEW WORLD...With Michelle's money .
AHhhh, Fortunately she FOUGHT like a trogan!
I will always believe that PLAN A failed.. (massive blood) Plan "*" is where the "Genius" made a lot of mistakes. IMO
Question is, how Cooperative and Complicit are the "abettors" in Brevard and environs willing to commit to...
That possibility paralyzes Me. Yet it is not only ongoing..but AMPED-up!
JMO..
Swabby.
Sad Day for Rylan:rose:
Sad for Michelle :rose:
Cassidy deserves SO MUCH better! [/*]I think you're right, Swabby. Michelle fought way more than her assailant thought she would, and an unplanned part of this attack took place. I shudder to think of her thoughts at this time. Cassidy was uppermost in them. I think. :(

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Celiarun


To say that Michelle's daughter will never have love from Michelle trivializes the relationship that was able to take place between mother and child, brief as it was. I bet CY still remembers her mother's touch. Nothing Linda can do or say will bring back Michelle, unfortunately. [/*]

You are correct.

Just as a Mother's intuition couldn't STOP Michelle from Marrying Jason.

Sad commentary...Isn't it!
MOO

Swabby

KILLS me, to think what MIGHT have been.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Doorbell



So it wasn't you who said there was information in the search warrants that would exonerate Jason? [/*]

I don't recall saying that but have been told it is true.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Nice and unrealistic, imvho. [/*]

WHAT is unrealistic? That Cassidy should be afforded a NORMAL childhood? OR some other venue, that YOU deem OK for her?

My Mom is a polio survivor. She has never been able to do certain things,

BUT!!!!

Even at my age, I still remember the way she washed my hair.

That love and tenderness that Cassidy will NEVER experience again with Michelle, breaks my heart.

JMO

Swabby



"DADDY DID IT"!..I hope she emancipates, and sues him back to the STONE AGE...IF N.C. doesn't FRY him first!

[5swab5]

Originally posted by SkyPlot


Huh ?

You make a statement as fact and you can't back it up ?
Thought so. Just another fabrication to get attention
:rolleyes:

Friends from Charlotte you mean ?

Yes, anyone that knows anyone close to the case knows they were on their way Friday when they received the call from JD telling them of the tragedy. [/*]

I know,

This re-writing of history is getting exasperating!

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Celiarun


There have been plenty of credible links posted. A sealed search warrant does exist whether you want to believe it or not. [/*]


Just out of idle curiosity...

Do you have link to yet another SW implicating Jason?

I'm surprised he hasn't taken off for the Bahamas already.

MOO

Swabby

BTW, how do you account for his massive weight loss in the last two years? My bet is a guilty conscious

[BiggerRedDog]

Originally posted by Doorbell
She will probably always feel abondoned by her mother, even when she is old enough to understand that her mother had no control over her time of leaving.
And she has to feel abandoned by her Aunt and Grandmother, too.
Kids don't understand "died." They just know "here" and "not here." And, in their childish way, they assume it's their fault.
I'm glad she is receiving some counselling. [/*] Too true, Doorbell. I think this little girl will have some hard questions she'll want answers to, when she's older.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by BiggerRedDog
I think you're right, Swabby. Michelle fought way more than her assailant thought she would, and an unplanned part of this attack took place. I shudder to think of her thoughts at this time. Cassidy was uppermost in them. I think. :( [/*]

I know that bad things happen to good people..."out of the blue".

But I will ALWAYS believe that this Murder was a cowardly attack. Designed in such a way that ONE spouse would win and ONE spouse would be DEAD, and No ONE would be the wiser. HAH!



It breaks my heart.


She thought she knew him,

She knew him intimately.

She thought she knew him.

She got pregnant...She thought she knew him

She married him...TWICE.

She thought she knew him.

Michelle saw Jason ignoring and disrespecting Cassidy AND her, BUT.

She still thought, She KNEW him,

Early that November morning,

Michelle knew.


Michelle knew EXACTLY who destroyed her, Rylan and Cassidy's lives.

Unforgivable..imo!

Swabby

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by 5swab5




BTW, how do you account for his massive weight loss in the last two years? My bet is a guilty conscious [/*]

How much did Jason weigh two years ago? I didn't see an obese Jason at the funeral. Often times a person will lose weight once they become single. Some people tend to relax while married and not worry about a few extra pounds.

Meredith, on the other hand, has undergone a massive weight loss in the last two years. Are we to assume she has a guilty conscious because of her massive weight loss?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by SkyPlot


Meredith lost 30 pounds BEFORE the murder. She continued on the plan and eventually met her goal. She is a diabetic and lost weight for health reasons. [/*]

Obesity is a cause of diabetes. But that is not my question. Anyone that obese can say they lost some weight before the murder but how are we to know it's true? It has been brought up on this board several times that because Jason lost "massive" weight that he must have a guilty conscious. So the question is are we to assume Meredith has a guilty conscious because she underwent a massive weight loss in the last two years?

[gorealtors]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Obesity is a cause of diabetes. But that is not my question. Anyone that obese can say they lost some weight before the murder but how are we to know it's true? It has been brought up on this board several times that because Jason lost "massive" weight that he must have a guilty conscious. So the question is are we to assume Meredith has a guilty conscious because she underwent a massive weight loss in the last two years? [/*]


Aside from her diabetic condition I would think additional weight loss could stem from the trauma and stress of discovering the body of her loving sister. Think about it.

[gorealtors]

Originally posted by SkyPlot
Assuming it is true, what do you guys think about JY heading for the south exit at midnight carrying a pair of gloves ?

Hint....it was apparently not cold enough for a heavy jacket. [/*]


I think it fits right in with the course of events that took place about 2:30am in Raleigh on Nov.3rd.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by SkyPlot
Assuming it is true, what do you guys think about JY heading for the south exit at midnight carrying a pair of gloves ?

Hint....it was apparently not cold enough for a heavy jacket. [/*]

My question would be why did he carry the gloves into the hotel? Were they in his luggage he took in? If so then when did he retrieve his luggage from the hotel?

Another question. If that is a book or newspaper he is holding and his right hand is in his pocket what is holding that book or newpaper up at that angle?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by SkyPlot



This line of discussion is silly. It is obvious from each and every photo JY's weigh has not fluctuated that much. He has not lost "massive" amounts of weight. It is obvious so why do you continue to bring it up ? [/*]

Read back newbie. I am not the one that keeps bringing it up. :no:

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by gorealtors



Aside from her diabetic condition I would think additional weight loss could stem from the trauma and stress of discovering the body of her loving sister. Think about it. [/*]

It could but we have a poster here that keeps equating a massive weight loss to a guilty conscious.

5swab5 quote~

"BTW, how do you account for his massive weight loss in the last two years? My bet is a guilty conscious "

5swab5 quote~

"I beg to differ.

Jason's picture with Cassidy in Puerto Rico, shows a MUCH slimmer Jason.

Maybe he gained weight while married, maybe he didn't, but something has caused a dramatic weight loss, IMO.

Surely can't be Momma's cooking.

Stress...Maybe?

MOO

Swabby "

[Jules2]

Originally posted by annalyzer


It could but we have a poster here that keeps equating a massive weight loss to a guilty conscious.

5swab5 quote~

"BTW, how do you account for his massive weight loss in the last two years? My bet is a guilty conscious "

5swab5 quote~

"I beg to differ.

Jason's picture with Cassidy in Puerto Rico, shows a MUCH slimmer Jason.

Maybe he gained weight while married, maybe he didn't, but something has caused a dramatic weight loss, IMO.

Surely can't be Momma's cooking.

Stress...Maybe?

MOO

Swabby " [/*]


Jason did not have a weight problem and was already a healthy looking person. The recent photos do appear to show him as being thinner. Whether it's the lighting or the angle......who knows. But he does look thinner.

Meredith, OTOH, did have a weight problem and due to health reasons, had been losing (prior to the murder) and continued to lose weight. Her weight loss, IMO, is something she had chosen to do. This has also been confirmed by sources who have been told this by Meredith herself. Sorry no link, you'll just have to believe me or not.

Usually a person who is thin to begin with does not choose to lose weight. Of course it could be due to stress or lack of eating properly for whatever reason.

I think 5swab5 was merely pointing this out.

So, if Jason has lost weight...why?


We've already been told why Meredith has lost weight.

IMO

[enigma™]

It is such a weighty issue. :D

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Jules2



So, if Jason has lost weight...why?


[/*]

The possibility of why Jason appears slimmer and trimmer since the murder has been answered.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by SkyPlot
Ok we get your point. Other posters brought it up first.
So why do you keep posting this weight stuff ? [/*]

Because I was replying to those that brought it up.
That's how a message board works.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by onederwomyn


Watch out annalyzer...I posted the same thing about people gaining weight when married and Celiarun posted that I said Jason had a weight problem. HEHE. His name was not even in the post. Just wanted to give you a heads up that you may be defending your statement shortly...

I agree, though...many people tend to gain weight while married... [/*]

you made an inane statement to try to support your lame theory about Jason wearing multiple shoe sizes said that married men such as Jason gains weight and thus their feet can grow two sizes. I merely responded to point out Jason didn't have a weight problem. btw, at the time of the murder, Meredith Fisher was morbidly obese. Did she wear a size 10? She admitted on the 911 call that she "touched" a pillow. Did she "touch" it with her foot? Very possible that size 10 shoe belongs to Meredith Fisher, imvho.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Celiarun


you made an inane statement to try to support your lame theory about Jason wearing multiple shoe sizes said that married men such as Jason gains weight and thus their feet can grow two sizes. I merely responded to point out Jason didn't have a weight problem. btw, at the time of the murder, Meredith Fisher was morbidly obese. Did she wear a size 10? She admitted on the 911 call that she "touched" a pillow. Did she "touch" it with her foot? Very possible that size 10 shoe belongs to Meredith Fisher, imvho. [/*]

Well, I'll bet the JDIs will be here screaming soon. Celiarun, Meredith was NOT "morbidly obese". C'mon.

And do you really think LE so inept that they didn't check her clothes and shoes?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by SkyPlot


Move on to something else. Your lame theories to try to convict Michelle's loving sister have failed miserably for almost 2 years. :rolleyes: [/*]

Wow. I'm impressed.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Well, I'll bet the JDIs will be here screaming soon. Celiarun, Meredith was NOT "morbidly obese". C'mon.

And do you really think LE so inept that they didn't check her clothes and shoes? [/*]

Meredith Fisher was morbidly obese in the photos I viewed.

fyi: LE checked 2/08 for Jason's clothes and shoes.
There is a sealed warrant in this case and it doesn't pertain to Jason's clothes/shoes.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Meredith Fisher was morbidly obese in the photos I viewed.

fyi: LE checked 2/08 for Jason's clothes and shoes.
There is a sealed warrant in this case and it doesn't pertain to Jason's clothes/shoes. [/*]

How can you know what it doesn't pertain to? It's sealed.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Celiarun, Meredith was NOT "morbidly obese". C'mon.

[/*]

If she weighs about 130 now and weighed at least 230 before then she was morbidly obese.

http://www.stronghealth.com/services/surgical/bariatric/morbidobesity.cfm

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Cardinal


How can you know what it doesn't pertain to? It's sealed. [/*]

I just used a little common sense and :read: the search warrants from 2/08.

On the other hand, if you want to believe LE went to Brevard in July '07 and searched for Jason's shoes and clothes and Feb '08 was a repeat performance, that's fine with me.
:rolleyes:

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by SkyPlot


There you go again.
Are you overweight or perhaps anorexic ?
You seemed to be obsessed with weight . [/*]

Hey newbie, I am responding to other posts. That's how a message board works. :punch:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Celiarun


I just used a little common sense and :read: the search warrants from 2/08.

On the other hand, if you want to believe LE went to Brevard in July '07 and searched for Jason's shoes and clothes and Feb '08 was a repeat performance, that's fine with me.
:rolleyes: [/*]

No, I don't believe the July SW was about Jason's shoes and clothes. I've said before, it wouldn't surprise me if that SW were directed at Kim Young.

JMO

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by annalyzer


If she weighs about 130 now and weighed at least 230 before then she was morbidly obese.

http://www.stronghealth.com/services/surgical/bariatric/morbidobesity.cfm [/*]

I don't know why some posters want us to know that she lost weight for health reasons and then go into meltdown when the term morbidly obese is used to describe her. Sheesh.

It's not going to change the fact that size 10 shoe could belong to her.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Cardinal


No, I don't believe the July SW was about Jason's shoes and clothes. I've said before, it wouldn't surprise me if that SW were directed at Kim Young.

JMO [/*]

but of course. :rolleyes: