Michelle Young 9/1/09

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by enigma™


Who is to say that is the first time (whatever is being referenced) it was searched for? There are sealed warrants out there, and no one but LE, the DA, the Judge and the person served the warrant knows what it says. According to some JII's, there is more than one sealed warrant that the general public is not aware of, so who can say it took 18 months to search for something?

Answer: NO ONE.

MUO [/*]

Please :read: the actual warrants. They say the items listed had not been recovered. The murder was 11/06 and the warrants were executed 2/08. Do the math. :rolleyes:

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by freejason


HIS ONLY INTENTION WAS TO USE AS A DECOY AT THE SCENE. That's why he bought them the wrong size. You're crazy if you don't think that's possible or really probable. [/*]He may have planted wooden ducks,as DECOY`S at the crime scene or maybe Jason murdered his wife with a wooden duck:shrug:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
:beer: [/*]

I think those of us who wish to discuss real facts about the case need to ignore those who are making up utter nonsense. Too bad they can't find more productive things to do. :shrug:

[Celiarun]

Jason Young does not have a weight problem. :rolleyes:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
I already have''enigma'' on ignore. [/*]

Such a shame this case hasn't been solved, isn't it? I wonder how much time LE has had to waste chasing down all the nonsense such as the so-called can't swim/almost drowned incident? Or the mallet in the yard....

:patriot:

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Celiarun

Please :read: the actual warrants. They say the items listed had not been recovered. The murder was 11/06 and the warrants were executed 2/08. Do the math. :rolleyes:

You read the warrants and roll your eyes elsewhere. Once again you fail to comprehend something I simplified for even the most stupid of posters. That puts you in a class all by yourself. Congratulations!

I understand the items have not been recovered. That does not preclude the fact that they could have been searched for at another time in another place. RIF!

MUO

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Neo

WHAT???! She NEVER said that!!! OMG!!!!!

Stop stirring the pot! Why are you are TRYING to start trouble today.

Please stay on topic!

There are some that just stick with what they do best. This will not get in the way of JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN!

[shack]

Originally posted by Hiller

The cops know he bought size 12 HP shoes 7/2005
The cops know the sole design based on 2 other models.
They also know the dimensions of the bloody print left by the HP.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to match a duplicate size 12 sole to the print on the pillow.

Think the cops would intentionally mislead a judge with bogus information when applying for a warrant :eek: [/*]

I don't know if LE would do that or not. Have you heard if those supposed blood drops on Mr. Young's car was really there? LOL

[shack]

Originally posted by Jules2


I would guess Jason headed out that exit since he was wearing a coat. One doesn't usually toss on a coat just to meander down the hallway. I'm not even a law student and I can figure obvious stuff out all on my own. TYVM

And what wording in the warrants have I ever changed?


And now you are saying that your law class broke down the warrants just for us readers? Wow, I've never felt so important before.


BTW, I'll stick with my "one track mind" any day over a poster whose comments have been all over the rails.

IMO [/*]

Now you are making up another story. LE has said it was a dark shirt with a stripe across the chest now you've made it a coat. See what I mean about you can't stick to the truth.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Neo


WHAT???! She NEVER said that!!! OMG!!!!!

Stop stirring the pot! Why are you are TRYING to start trouble today.

Please stay on topic! [/*]

She implied it and I responded and it was on topic.

I've had enough of YOUR pot-stirring today.

>>click<<

:seeya:

[shack]

Originally posted by Hiller


Yes, she is aware of that fact annalyzer.
It is a heavy knit pullover garment. [/*]

If she is aware of that then why the story of it being a coat? I guess you can tell its heavy and knit HOW?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by bookie



Actually someone did suggest (stated as fact truthfully) what Celia posted.


Originally posted by freejason


HIS ONLY INTENTION WAS TO USE AS A DECOY AT THE SCENE. That's why he bought them the wrong size. You're crazy if you don't think that's possible or really probable. [/*]

As for your next post to Celia accusing her of pot stirring....the post she quoted did mention weight gain.

Originally posted by onederwomyn


You are right, it is absurd to suggest someone would intentionally do this. HOWEVER, no one suggested it....probably because it is absurd.

I believe those of us that have said something about it mentioned that they were older shoes that our spouses never got rid of. They had smaller feet then. Imagine that...yes, feet can change during your lifetime (especially as men put on weight after marriage).... [/*] [/*]

Thanks, Bookie. It's obvious they're just here to post nonsense. Jason's shirt has now morphed into a coat and he intentionally wore shoes two sizes too small....yeah, that's believable. NOT. LOL

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Hiller

No I have no heard and neither have you.
What "appears to be" and "what is" are 2 different things.
Guess 1st year law school didn't go over that .

I wonder what, if anything, is still waiting to be tested by the state labs, FBI, etc. There is still so much that is unknown.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Originally posted by Hiller


Hush Puppies common ? Old, well known brand, but not common.

How come they did look for the shirt before? Well Kat, it seems they did. They impounded his car and luggage as soon as he went in MF's home. He was seen wearing the shirt and tie when he arrived and his mother confirmed that fact as well as the fact he did not unload, unpack or bring any clothing into the home.

The 'search' 15 months later for the 'shirt' was simply to confirm it in fact did not exist among his possessions. Did you follow the Mike Peterson trial ? The blow poke suddenly appeared for the jury at the end of the trial. The cops made sure that it will be impossible for Jason to produce the 'missing shirt' at trial. [/*]

Thank you.

Hiller.......the voice of reason.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by onederwomyn

Holy crap. I try to stay out of this stuff and stay on topic. BUT...I never suggested Jason had a weight problem or had gained weight. I wasn't even implying it. I have no idea what Jason weighs now nor what he weighed prior to getting married.

The only thing I was saying is that some men (and I was actually referring to my own husband) gain weight after marriage. That's it.

Some people really like to create waves, eh?

And some have reading comprehension issues, as you can see.

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN!

[shack]

Originally posted by Hiller

No I have no heard and neither have you.
What "appears to be" and "what is" are 2 different things.
Guess 1st year law school didn't go over that . [/*]

This would be a good time to talk about grammar. Nah I am nicer than that.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by enigma™


I wonder what, if anything, is still waiting to be tested by the state labs, FBI, etc. There is still so much that is unknown. [/*]

I wonder the same thing. Surely they have tested everything by now?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by bookie


You have a link showing he bought shoes 2 sizes too small? The receipt in the warrant showed size 12 shoes purchased, not size 10. [/*]

Did Jason and Michelle go to Puerto Rico on their honeymoon? Is it possible that in Puerto Rico, shoes have UK sizing?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by freejason


HIS ONLY INTENTION WAS TO USE AS A DECOY AT THE SCENE. That's why he bought them the wrong size. You're crazy if you don't think that's possible or really probable. [/*]


No one is thinking decoy at a murder scene like this.

How about, just getting the heck out of there, as quietly and

quickly as possible?

How about leaving in the dark too?, instead of having all the lights

on to draw attention to the home.

Good thing, none of Michelle's neighbors woke up , saw all the

lights on, remembered Michelle was 5 months pregnant and

didn't call or go knock on her door to see if anything was wrong?

Gosh, I wonder if the killer would have answered the door for them?

Things just don't add up.

2 different shoe patterns=2 different killers.

Could be what is taking so long...

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



No one is thinking decoy at a murder scene like this.

How about, just getting the heck out of there, as quietly and

quickly as possible?

How about leaving in the dark too?, instead of having all the lights

on to draw attention to the home.

Good thing, none of Michelle's neighbors woke up , saw all the

lights on, remembered Michelle was 5 months pregnant and

didn't call or go knock on her door to see if anything was wrong?

Gosh, I wonder if the killer would have answered the door for them?

Things just don't add up.

2 different shoe patterns=2 different killers.

Could be what is taking so long...

Kat [/*]

I've thought about the lights, Kat. I think Michelle must still have been awake, and the lights on, when she was attacked. Her clothing seems to indicate that, too.

The way the house is situated, I'm not sure the neighbors would have noticed the lights were on late, and, even if they did, they wouldn't necessarily have thought anything of it. Particularly if it weren't unusual for the lights to be on late at night. And we don't know whether or not it was.

So, if the lights were already on, that doesn't really indicate anything telling, imo.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Did Jason and Michelle go to Puerto Rico on their honeymoon? Is it possible that in Puerto Rico, shoes have UK sizing? [/*]




Jason bought shoes on his honeymoon to wear to kill Michelle

someday because he had to marry her twice and was really mad

at her, but then, he put the shoes in his closet and forgot all

about them.

But, then he got mad at her again and finally remembered the

shoes and what he bought them for.....and then right before he

left for Hillsville, he got the shoes out , tried them on, and they

brought back all the murderous memories, and he decided that

was the nite!!!

Possible?

:rolleyes:

Solving the case seems to be the only thing impossible..

Kat

[Cardinal]

Kat, I was taking a few days off at a resort recently, and realized I hadn't brought any walking shoes. I have nice walking shoes at home, so I wasn't inclined to spend a lot of money on a pair I'd need for just a few days.

So I bought a pair that was economically priced. I don't really intend to wear them again, so they'd be good for staining the deck or something.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I've thought about the lights, Kat. I think Michelle must still have been awake, and the lights on, when she was attacked. Her clothing seems to indicate that, too.

The way the house is situated, I'm not sure the neighbors would have noticed the lights were on late, and, even if they did, they wouldn't necessarily have thought anything of it. Particularly if it weren't unusual for the lights to be on late at night. And we don't know whether or not it was.

So, if the lights were already on, that doesn't really indicate anything telling, imo.

JMO [/*]

Ut oh, Card,:no: the JDI's have narrowed the killing down to after

3 am, to give Jason time to jet from Hillsville to Raleigh, so, why

would Michelle still be awake that late?

:shrug:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Kat, I was taking a few days off at a resort recently, and realized I hadn't brought any walking shoes. I have nice walking shoes at home, so I wasn't inclined to spend a lot of money on a pair I'd need for just a few days.

So I bought a pair that was economically priced. I don't really intend to wear them again, so they'd be good for staining the deck or something.

JMO [/*]

How did you forget your shoes?
You seem so organized !!

:biggrin:

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Ut oh, Card,:no: the JDI's have narrowed the killing down to after

3 am, to give Jason time to jet from Hillsville to Raleigh, so, why

would Michelle still be awake that late?

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

I don't know, Kat, but that's what it seems like.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


How did you forget your shoes?
You seem so organized !!

:biggrin:

Kat [/*]

I was focused on the spa appointment. :biggrin:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I don't know, Kat, but that's what it seems like.

JMO [/*]

There are people on various boards after 3 a.m. and they are east coast residents. Some people stay up late for a variety of reasons. I think it's very likely that Michelle had not gone to bed. MO.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Barbara2


There are people on various boards after 3 a.m. and they are east coast residents. Some people stay up late for a variety of reasons. I think it's very likely that Michelle had not gone to bed. MO. [/*]

I agree. I remember a rumor that Michelle was on her computer after midnight. I'm sure LE has determined whether or not that's true.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Hiller


Very likely, aren't most of us ?

The creepy thing is he was leaving the HI to kill her at that very moment . [/*]

Not me, I'm afraid. That's way past my bedtime. :)

IF Jason killed Michelle, IF, I've wondered if he might have called her on his way back to Raleigh. A while back, I speculated that Michelle might have given Jason his walking papers that night. IF Jason drove back to Raleigh that night, might he have called Michelle to ask her to reconsider? IF so, she would probably have been too wired to sleep.

Another thought - it was Homecoming weekend. Does NC State have online forums for that kind of thing?

JMO

Speaking of....that's it for me. Have a good one, everybody. :seeya:

[5swab5]

Originally posted by bookie



Since Jason didn't gain weight there was no reason for that to be added in ( )....which is what Celia responded to. :punch: [/*]

I beg to differ.

Jason's picture with Cassidy in Puerto Rico, shows a MUCH slimmer Jason.

Maybe he gained weight while married, maybe he didn't, but something has caused a dramatic weight loss, IMO.

Surely can't be Momma's cooking.

Stress...Maybe?

MOO

Swabby

[Jules2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Making stuff up to suit your version of events, again?
The search warrants do not indicate Jason was wearing a coat. :read: [/*]


Nope, not making anything up at all.

I saw the photos. I just happen to refer to the dark pull over type garment he was wearing as a "coat". I own one similar to that and only wear it over another shirt if I'm headed outside into cooler weather. Not something one would usually wear while taking a casual stroll down a hotel hallway. IMO, which is an opinion that I have a right to, btw.


Also, kindly show me where I have EVER made anything up on these boards since you accused me of making stuff up "again".

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Hiller


Ok, fair enough
2 different killers if you insist
Jason Young was placed at the scene of the crime with his Hush Puppies.

Think they will nab the other killer :confused: [/*]


Could be,

Wonder why Jason hasn't moved heaven and earth to let LE talk with Cassidy? She WAS there.

IF my spouse were slain in the house and a small child were left there, I would be interested to have them examined by qualified doctors and let them tell what they saw.

OR maybe, Jason is just waiting for Cassidy to go for that emancipation thing in her teens, when she realizes what a lousy husband and father he really is.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Ut oh, Card,:no: the JDI's have narrowed the killing down to after

3 am, to give Jason time to jet from Hillsville to Raleigh, so, why

would Michelle still be awake that late?

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

Maybe, that call from Jason, put Michelle ill-at-ease.

Little did she know.

MOO

Swabby

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by 5swab5



Could be,

Wonder why Jason hasn't moved heaven and earth to let LE talk with Cassidy? She WAS there.

IF my spouse were slain in the house and a small child were left there, I would be interested to have them examined by qualified doctors and let them tell what they saw.

OR maybe, Jason is just waiting for Cassidy to go for that emancipation thing in her teens, when she realizes what a lousy husband and father he really is.

MOO

Swabby [/*]

After seeing the picture from Puerto Rico, her teen years aren't going to come soon enough. She looks like she is terrified of him in that picture.

[shack]

Originally posted by zed


Is that what your law class concluded: that they weren't really there? [/*]

How can you conclude that? How can you conclude that there was blood? You can't thats another thing left hanging in the air. I would have to guess that there was no blood on the car and the DNA of Mr. Young wasn't touching any blood in the house. Why would I guess that, because if there was blood either place then there should have been an arrest before 22 months. I would also have to guess that there is a photo of Mr. Young all suited up for his meeting on the morning of the 3rd.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Barbara2


After seeing the picture from Puerto Rico, her teen years aren't going to come soon enough. She looks like she is terrified of him in that picture. [/*]



I agree, it looked like he was getting ready to toss her over the rail and into an alligator pit or something.

Funny, that he would use that photo to "troll" for babes with.

How Prophetic.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Neo


I think she was packing. Leaving him for good. [/*]

Hi Neo,

Could Be? Either way?

I have a sneaky suspicion, that at trial we will find out that Jason was no longer welcome @ Birchleaf.

Lots of "early rumors" have been borne out by subsequent SWs. I have no reason to believe that the original rumors of how much luggage he took with him, for an overnight stay won't pan out as well.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Neo


Its always been my gut feeling that something set Michelle off that night and she told Jason she was done, it was over, she was taking Cassidy and leaving. [/*]

GMTA!

[BSNBREVARDNC]

"On Wednesday, FBI shoe-print examiner Michael Smith spent most of the afternoon testifying about soil, soles and shoe sizes."

"Smith testified he often wears suspects' shoes when making test impressions and he has gotten into a size 8 1/2 even though he wears a size 12."

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/metro/215181.php

Let’s try this one more time. The FBI Agent wears a size 12, but he has gotten his foot into a size 8 ½.

A 10 is only two sizes smaller than a 12. An 8 ½ is 3 ½ sizes smaller, yet it can be done. Getting your foot into a smaller cheap pair of sneakers is not a miraculous feat. It’s uncomfortable but not impossible.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC
Getting your foot into a smaller cheap pair of sneakers is not a miraculous feat. It’s uncomfortable but not impossible. [/*]

I don't think anyone ever said it was.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC
"On Wednesday, FBI shoe-print examiner Michael Smith spent most of the afternoon testifying about soil, soles and shoe sizes."

"Smith testified he often wears suspects' shoes when making test impressions and he has gotten into a size 8 1/2 even though he wears a size 12."

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/metro/215181.php

Let’s try this one more time. The FBI Agent wears a size 12, but he has gotten his foot into a size 8 ½.

A 10 is only two sizes smaller than a 12. An 8 ½ is 3 ½ sizes smaller, yet it can be done. Getting your foot into a smaller cheap pair of sneakers is not a miraculous feat. It’s uncomfortable but not impossible. [/*]



Thanks! Great Link!

Not to mention that "cheapie" shoe manufactures are not as concerned about quality control, let alone "size" control, as a Co., like say..Nike.

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hiller


The prosecutor will prove jason Young could not only fit into those shoes, she will show the jury he owned them. [/*][/QUOTE





Are they going to try and make Jason try them on, Bud?

You know, like the famous glove demo?

:biggrin:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Neo


I SO cannot wait until you see how very WRONG you have been about EVERYTHING. [/*]


So, they are going to pull out the Size 10 shoes in court and make Jason walk around the room?

Will that be the trial of the next century or this one?

Thanxx.
:)

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5




Thanks! Great Link!

Not to mention that "cheapie" shoe manufactures are not as concerned about quality control, let alone "size" control, as a Co., like say..Nike.

MOO

Swabby [/*]


Swabby, come on.

They are saying it is physically possible for someone to get their foot in a shoe four sizes smaller and be able to walk.

Sounds like Cinderella and her step~sisters.

K, I am going to try it.

I wear a 7, will try and find a 3 or whatever is equivalent to a size 4 times smaller.

I will get back to you.
Maybe you and a few others could volunteer to try this experiment too.

:ouch:

Kat

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Originally posted by Hiller



Please address me by my nic and not 'Bud', is that clear ?

No one can 'make' Jason Young try on anything for the jury.
The DA can do that very easily with a scale model of his foot ;) [/*]

Or
They could have the FBI Agent testify and / or a podiatrist.

I don’t see how this will be that big of an issue.

Peterson west was convicted and the investigators never knewing for certain where Laci was murdered. That would be a much bigger hurdle than the cheap sneaker.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Hiller



Please address me by my nic and not 'Bud', is that clear ?

No one can 'make' Jason Young try on anything for the jury.
The DA can do that very easily with a scale model of his foot ;) [/*]


Naaaaaaah , the jury will want to see them on Jason.

For that smoking gun effect, right,?

You know, that gasp in the courtroom moment, when all eyes will be on Jason as he ties the shoes and gets up to walk?

Kat

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Swabby, come on.

They are saying it is physically possible for someone to get their foot in a shoe four sizes smaller and be able to walk.

Sounds like Cinderella and her step~sisters.

K, I am going to try it.

I wear a 7, will try and find a 3 or whatever is equivalent to a size 4 times smaller.

I will get back to you.
Maybe you and a few others could volunteer to try this experiment too.

:ouch:

Kat [/*]

So now the FBI Agent is a lier

Your opinion is fact and anyone that disagrees is a lier.
OK…..Got it.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Have you personally tried to wear a shoe that is 4 sizes too small?

Let me know how it works out for you.

:)
Kat [/*]

So you are saying that he is a lier? (BTW it's 3 1/2)

And in this case we are talking about 2 sizes.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


Yes it does…..Thanks.

The WCSO has so much more than they did in the Peterson West case.

Thanks for proving my point.
:patriot: [/*]

Ummm, then why was Peterson west arrested in 4 months, and Jason Young is still free 22 months, over 5 times as long as Scott?

Because, ummm, WCSO, has more evidence.

:cool:

Kat

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Well, get back to me on it.

I can't get wait to get your report.

:)
Kat [/*]

What would I have to report on?
You are suggesting that the FBI expert is a lier and you are wrong about the size difference.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by bookie



The WCSO may have more but apparently it doesn't prove Jason left the hotel, drove home, murdered Michelle, then drove back to the hotel. [/*]

They have everything they need by now.
They just want to get things right.
:rolleyes:

Kat

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



I was thinking more along the lines that is when Laci's body surfaced.

Is Jason getting ready to run?

I hope he wears the right size shoes this time.
:D

Kat [/*]

It’s so interesting that you have reduced the murder of a pregnant woman down to the level of fans cheering for rival high school basketball teams.

This is a sad state indeed.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


What would I have to report on?
You are suggesting that the FBI expert is a lier and you are wrong about the size difference. [/*]

The word is liar, and you are the only one using it.
That is against TOS.

:no:

Kat

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


They have everything they need by now.
They just want to get things right.
:rolleyes:

Kat [/*]

If Jason is arrested and convicted will you apologize for your arrogance?

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


The word is liar, and you are the only one using it.
That is against TOS.

:no:

Kat [/*]

The word "liar" is against TOS?

Or is being the only one to use a word against TOS?

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Swabby, come on.

They are saying it is physically possible for someone to get their foot in a shoe four sizes smaller and be able to walk.

Sounds like Cinderella and her step~sisters.

K, I am going to try it.

I wear a 7, will try and find a 3 or whatever is equivalent to a size 4 times smaller.

I will get back to you.
Maybe you and a few others could volunteer to try this experiment too.

:ouch:

Kat [/*]


HUH???


They are saying it is physically possible for someone to get their foot in a shoe four sizes smaller and be able to walk.

What is this? Some kinda' "New Math"?

Last time I was in a classroom or working on my checkbook...

The difference between 10 & 12 =======TWO!

I'm starting to understand where Urban Legends come from.

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5



HUH???


They are saying it is physically possible for someone to get their foot in a shoe four sizes smaller and be able to walk.

What is this? Some kinda' "New Math"?

Last time I was in a classroom or working on my checkbook...

The difference between 10 & 12 =======TWO!

I'm starting to understand where Urban Legends come from.

MOO

Swabby [/*]


The article was supposed to be 4 sizes.

But, hey, 2 will work.

We can all bogo @ Payless this weekend.

Ask the clerk for a shoe 2 sizes smaller and tell her we are working on our sluething skillzz for a murder case.

:rolleyes:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Hiller


David Temple spouse murder conviction was 18 months ago
Ann Miller's spouse murder conviction was 3 years ago.

You really need to read up if you are going to challenge facts. [/*]


Not interested in those cases, I like the high profile ones.

Thanxx n~e~wayz.

:)
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by bookie



Discussing the case isn't baiting or derailing. :punch: [/*]

Thank you, Bookie.
I try !!

:)

Nite.

Kat

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



The article was supposed to be 4 sizes.

But, hey, 2 will work.

We can all bogo @ Payless this weekend.

Ask the clerk for a shoe 2 sizes smaller and tell her we are working on our sluething skillzz for a murder case.

:rolleyes:

Kat [/*]

Kat,

I'm sorry, I must have dozed off and hit my head on something real hard.

What "article" that has ANYTHING to do with Michelle & Rylan's murders SWITCHES size 10 & 12 shoes to 8 & 12?...TIA

Swabby

MOO JIC

[shack]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Kat,

I'm sorry, I must have dozed off and hit my head on something real hard.

What "article" that has ANYTHING to do with Michelle & Rylan's murders SWITCHES size 10 & 12 shoes to 8 & 12?...TIA

Swabby

MOO JIC [/*]

The article BSN posted about the FBI guy. It didn't have any thing to do with this murder and Kat didn't bring it to the forum .

[5swab5]

Originally posted by bookie




An article posted about a man murdering his wife and wearing shoes several sizes smaller then his normal size. The problem being it doesn't help the cause because the DA admitted at trial that the shoe impressions in that case may not have been related to the murder. [/*]

Exactly what "cause" would that be?

The "Cause" to try and make sure that a philandering, "No-account" , murdering husband never pays for his crimeS?

Apparently.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by bookie




The cause of proving a man wore shoes too small to murder his wife. [/*]

I only have TWO options.


Either Jason planned, even better that I would give him credit for, OR KIM helped him.

My money is on BOTH!

MOO

Swabby

Wonder what size shoe Pat Young wears, now that I think about it. ANY MIL that would show up to a funeral for her DIL AND unborn grandchild...in that "get-up". Tsk, Tsk!

Can't get any more disrespectful than that IMO.


NTO PLEASE!

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hiller


Ok, fair enough
2 different killers if you insist
Jason Young was placed at the scene of the crime with his Hush Puppies.

Think they will nab the other killer :confused: [/*]

Has there been an arrest that I missed?

In reality~which you don't appreciate~if Jason Young was placed at the crime scene, he would be under arrest.

Try again. :rolleyes:

[shack]

Originally posted by Hiller


No need to try again Celiarun.
The DA will present the facts that he bought the same shoe (now missing) whose bloody print was found at the crime scene.

It will be up for the jury to decide if he was there based on that evidence.
Just a small part of the DA's very compelling CE case. ;) [/*]

What do you think the defense will do? Well they will point out that someone wearing a size 10 shoe killed Mrs Young then reached into Mr. Youngs closet and took a pair of his shoes stepped in blood with them and bingo where is your evidence Mr. Young was there? Gone. Mr. Youngs shoe being there isn't the mystery he lives there and the killer had all the time in the world to frame him . The mystery is the size 10 wonder who wears a size 10 shoe.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Hiller



<snipped>


It will be up for the jury to decide if he was there based on that evidence.
Just a small part of the DA's very compelling CE case. ;) [/*]



And, how does the DA explain the smaller size shoe print to a jury of intelligent people?

And, if this case is so very compelling, as you call it, then why hasn't it been filed?

Let's see, bloody handprint
missing shirt
incriminating shoe print
seen leaving the hotel

Could it possibly be that the TOD doesn't fit?
Could it possibly be that Jason was seen even later at the hotel?

Yep, compelling case that they just aren't quite that sure of and ready with yet.

Any day now, though.

Latest prediction is for Sept.21st, less than 3 weeks.

:rolleyes:

Kat

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Hiller

So now the 'law student' is claiming Mr Young was framed :eek:

I should have seen that one coming from a mile away. ABJ (Anyone But Jason) is the motto of the JII crowd. It will only get worse, once Jason is arrested for murdering Michelle and Rylan.

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN!

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Hiller


Latest prediction by whom ?
He will be arrested before the end of October.
Go ahead kat, mark it on your calender and save the post.

You will be back to admit you have been wrong, right :confused: [/*]


Sure, you have been wrong for 22 months and still keep coming back, why wouldn't I be here?

Now, it's the end of October?

:biggrin:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by bookie



The only shoes that were purchased that we know of to date were size 12's, not size 10. If the DA had proof Jason had purchased a pair of size 10 shoes that are now missing he'd have been arrested long ago.

The DA doesn't have a compelling case because they don't have evidence Jason murdered Michelle. Contrary to the claims here they aren't sitting on hidden "compelling" evidence and letting a murderer run free. [/*]



Exactly, L E does not sit on a case with compelling evidence while Jason is free to roam the country. and raise a small child who may have even been a possible witness.

They simply can not put the case together, and it has to be because there is something else.

22 months later, and they are just finishing up with some shoe print comparisons?

How do you explain this to anyone? You can't.

That should have been done in the early days or weeks.
:shrug:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Hiller


When will you learn bookie ?
The cops have a print in the deck stain that matches the dimensions of the Franklin. You have no idea what their further analysis and purchase history has uncovered in the past 6 months.


Jason Young WILL BE arrested for this murder before the end of October. You and Kat can carry on about size 10 shoes, but it will not change that fact. [/*]



And, if Jason Young is not arrested by the end of October, then what?

What will you do then?

Kat

[shack]

Originally posted by Hiller


So now the 'law student' is claiming Mr Young was framed :eek: [/*]

I'm saying the defense will say that Mr. Young's shoe print isn't the one needing explained its the size 10 . I think its funny that some think Mr Young planted a size 10 shoe print but can't see how easy it would have been for someone to have planted a shoe print of Mr. Young's. As easy as opening the closet door.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Originally posted by shack


The article BSN posted about the FBI guy. It didn't have any thing to do with this murder and Kat didn't bring it to the forum . [/*]

Posters are saying that it is not possible for a person that wears a size 12 shoe to fit his foot into a size 10. This article and the FBI Agents statement refute this. That would make the article very relevant.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Originally posted by shack


I'm saying the defense will say that Mr. Young's shoe print isn't the one needing explained its the size 10 . I think its funny that some think Mr Young planted a size 10 shoe print but can't see how easy it would have been for someone to have planted a shoe print of Mr. Young's. As easy as opening the closet door. [/*]

It would have been equally as easy for Jason to “plant” the size 10 shoe print.

Gee, what time are your law school classes in session? Are you last for school?

[shack]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles




And, if Jason Young is not arrested by the end of October, then what?

What will you do then?

Kat [/*]

Its my opinion that they have chosen the end of Oct. because after Nov 3rd. LF can't file a wrongful death suit. If Mr. Young is indicted that will be extended for I think its 2 years. I find it strange how some want LF to profit from her daughter's death.

[shack]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


It would have been equally as easy for Jason to “plant” the size 10 shoe print.

Gee, what time are your law school classes in session? Are you last for school? [/*]

Oh, I didn't realize the closet was full of size 10 shoes. My classes has nothing to do with this case you are way OT. IMO

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Originally posted by shack


Oh, I didn't realize the closet was full of size 10 shoes. My classes has nothing to do with this case you are way OT. IMO [/*]


It’s a big house, why just limit the shoes being in the closet?

Sorry, for the concern about your class schedule. Being late is one of my pet peeves.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by shack


Its my opinion that they have chosen the end of Oct. because after Nov 3rd. LF can't file a wrongful death suit. If Mr. Young is indicted that will be extended for I think its 2 years. I find it strange how some want LF to profit from her daughter's death. [/*]




Oh, yeah, I know that.

That is why the date is so important.

It's just that Hiller said that he had spoken personally with the

detectives at the Lady Bug Fair, and they assured him

in confidence that there would be an arrest by the end of

summer.


So, I took that to mean Labor Day, but other posters pointed out

it could be up to and including Sept.21 st, the last day of the

summer season.

So, I extended the date, now Hiller says late October.

So, either the detectives were wrong too, or______________.

We get to fill in the blanks.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC



It’s a big house, why just limit the shoes being in the closet?

Sorry, for the concern about your class schedule. Being late is one of my pet peeves. [/*]

I think a bigger pet peeve would be how a murderer gets to walk free for 22 months in shoes that are 2 sizes too small for him.


:read:
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


Posters are saying that it is not possible for a person that wears a size 12 shoe to fit his foot into a size 10. This article and the FBI Agents statement refute this. That would make the article very relevant. [/*]


Well, I still think the shoe experiment in court will be an interesting and nail biting exhibit..

Don't you?

Kat

[shack]

Originally posted by Hiller


When will you learn bookie ?
The cops have a print in the deck stain that matches the dimensions of the Franklin. You have no idea what their further analysis and purchase history has uncovered in the past 6 months.


Jason Young WILL BE arrested for this murder before the end of October. You and Kat can carry on about size 10 shoes, but it will not change that fact. [/*]

There you go leaving out that very important word that will get a warrant but not an indictment. APPEARED.
Here's what the warrant really said. On Nov20 2007 the impressions appeared to be similar. Now unless you have a link showing different LE does not have a print that matches the deck stain. Mr. Young could be arrested tomorrow but I doubt, unless there is a whole lot more than what we have seen , that he will ever be convicted.

[shack]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


I think a bigger pet peeve would be how a murderer gets to walk free for 22 months in shoes that are 2 sizes too small for him.


:read:
Kat [/*]

Kat , what I can't figure out is where did he get these shoes? They keep talking about the HP shoes he bought , anyone could have grabbed those shoes from his closet and made a fake print . I have seen no evidence he ever bought a size 10 Franklin.

[shack]

Originally posted by bookie



"Appears" is a catch all word for police. They can use it to get warrants for items that turn out to have no relation to a crime. [/*]

Its a word they use to get a warrant where no probable cause exists.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by bookie



"Appears" is a catch all word for police. They can use it to get warrants for items that turn out to have no relation to a crime. [/*]



Good catch on your part too.!!

Appears to be blood in the car.
Appeared to have parked his car at the airport.
Appeared to be communicating with Michelle's friend.
Appeared to be having financial troubles.
Appeared to be headed for divorce ,with new baby on the way.

The only thing we know for sure is that Jason appeared on the video of Hampton Inn where he appeared to be staying.

I wonder what people would come up with if there were no pics of Jason that nite...

If there was no proof he was at the Hampton Inn when he said he was. That would appear to me to be big trouble, huge.

Oh, well, guess, not all is as it appears to be.
:shrug:

Kat

October..:sigh:

[enigma™]

Originally posted by shack
(snipped)
I have seen no evidence he ever bought a size 10 Franklin.

What you have seen and what LE has in their case file, are more than likely 2 very different things. If you have an imagination, try using it. After 22 months, LE has more than they have allowed the public to see. You can take that to the bank. MUO

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN!

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by enigma™


What you have seen and what LE has in their case file, are more than likely 2 very different things. If you have an imagination, try using it. After 22 months, LE has more than they have allowed the public to see. You can take that to the bank. MUO

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN! [/*]


But, not enough for an arrest, an indictment, or a conviction.

Why?

Because they have so much?
Or because they have so little?

No, wait, that's it.!!
They have too much evidence,.so they are trying to scale back a little on some of it.!!

:shrug:

Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hiller


No need to try again Celiarun.
The DA will present the facts that he bought the same shoe (now missing) whose bloody print was found at the crime scene.

It will be up for the jury to decide if he was there based on that evidence.
Just a small part of the DA's very compelling CE case. ;) [/*]

Yeah, right :rolleyes: Nearly two years and the DA has yet to indict Jason Young. That *compelling* case seems to be only a figment of your imagination.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hiller


When will you learn bookie ?
The cops have a print in the deck stain that matches the dimensions of the Franklin. You have no idea what their further analysis and purchase history has uncovered in the past 6 months.


Jason Young WILL BE arrested for this murder before the end of October. You and Kat can carry on about size 10 shoes, but it will not change that fact. [/*]

The size 10 shoe is a fact that YOU can not change:lol:

[shack]

Originally posted by Neo



Maybe LF doesn't want JASON profiting from her daughter's death?

If someone murdered my child, I'd do everything in my power to make their lives a living he77. [/*]

Mrs. Young was worth a whole lot more to Mr. Young alive than she was dead. Her income alone would have made him the insurance money in 10 years time. Not to mention she was carrying his heir. What value do you put on an heir? Some would say priceless.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


It would have been equally as easy for Jason to “plant” the size 10 shoe print.

Gee, what time are your law school classes in session? Are you last for school? [/*]

There's no reason for Jason to "plant" a size 10 shoe print. All he had to do was dispose of the pillow. Do try to use a little common sense, please.:rolleyes:

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Originally posted by shack


Mrs. Young was worth a whole lot more to Mr. Young alive than she was dead. Her income alone would have made him the insurance money in 10 years time. Not to mention she was carrying his heir. What value do you put on an heir? Some would say priceless. [/*]

She would have made $4,000,000.00 in 10 years?

The insurance policy was for $2,000,000 with a double indemnity clause.

Accountants at Progress Energy make good money but not that good.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by shack


Its my opinion that they have chosen the end of Oct. because after Nov 3rd. LF can't file a wrongful death suit. If Mr. Young is indicted that will be extended for I think its 2 years. I find it strange how some want LF to profit from her daughter's death. [/*]

I think you're probably right. Nov. 3 is a Monday so a wrongful death lawsuit would have to be filed by October 31, imvho.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Originally posted by Celiarun


There's no reason for Jason to "plant" a size 10 shoe print. All he had to do was dispose of the pillow. Do try to use a little common sense, please.:rolleyes: [/*]

I'll leave the lecture about common sense to someone other than you.

But thanks anyway:)

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


She would have made $4,000,000.00 in 10 years?

The insurance policy was for $2,000,000 with a double indemnity clause.

Accountants at Progress Energy make good money but not that good. [/*]

Refresh my memory: did you also view the insurance policy when you viewed the autopsy photos?

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Refresh my memory: did you also view the insurance policy when you viewed the autopsy photos? [/*]

You have me confused with someone else.

I never saw the autopsy photos. I get my info from the same family that King Cole / Gojo gets his info from. If it is good enough coming from him, well…….is there a double standard?

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Originally posted by Neo


Wow BSN!! Today YOU get to be RPD! [/*]

Oh...................kay?

CW should know that I am not.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

I don’t think anyone doubted me when I first told people about there having been a SW served on 2/14. King cole / Gojo was not happy that I broke the story, but it was the truth.

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Hiller


No need to try again Celiarun.
The DA will present the facts that he bought the same shoe (now missing) whose bloody print was found at the crime scene.

It will be up for the jury to decide if he was there based on that evidence.
Just a small part of the DA's very compelling CE case. ;) [/*]Are you really arrogant enough to really believe the DA is going to take this case to trial because you suggest 2 them how to present their case:confused: Do you really believe you have all that power:rolleyes: Sorry you are a nobody with a handful of follower that will agree with you because like you they need to have their ego stroked. Wrong board little man. The DA if and when they get REAL evidence to indict and arrest will do so. Not one day before. This county does NOT HAVE 6 months and 4,000,000 dollars plus to convict a husband with a alibi and wears a size 12 shoe with a size 10 print and a hp shoe they can NOT prove even the size.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC
I don’t think anyone doubted me when I first told people about there having been a SW served on 2/14. King cole / Gojo was not happy that I broke the story, but it was the truth.

Unfortunately for some, the truth is unacceptable when it points toward Jason Young as the murderer of Michelle and Rylan. MUO

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN!

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Originally posted by enigma™


Unfortunately for some, the truth is unacceptable when it points toward Jason Young as the murderer of Michelle and Rylan. MUO

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN! [/*]

True.
Admittedly, there has been very little released on this case. However, what has been released points solidly towards Jason. I’ve seen nothing about securiy video of a neighbor, MF, MM, or anyone else. Nothing about anyone elses shoes, vehicles being searched, etc., etc.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC

True.
Admittedly, there has been very little released on this case. However, what has been released points solidly towards Jason. I’ve seen nothing about securiy video of a neighbor, MF, MM, or anyone else. Nothing about anyone elses shoes, vehicles being searched, etc., etc.

But, but, but, just because these things exist does not mean Jason is a murderer. The meltdowns will be something to behold, once the arrest is made. Hopefully it will be in the very near future. MUO

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC
I don’t think anyone doubted me when I first told people about there having been a SW served on 2/14. King cole / Gojo was not happy that I broke the story, but it was the truth. [/*]

What's the "truth" about the July '07 warrant that is sealed?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


True.
Admittedly, there has been very little released on this case. However, what has been released points solidly towards Jason. I’ve seen nothing about securiy video of a neighbor, MF, MM, or anyone else. Nothing about anyone elses shoes, vehicles being searched, etc., etc. [/*]


What is sealed points solidly at someone other than Jason Young whether you want to accept it or not.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Celiarun

What's the "truth" about the July '07 warrant that is sealed?

It is sealed, no civilian knows what the "truth" is about that warrant. :rolleyes:

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Celiarun

What is sealed points solidly at someone other than Jason Young whether you want to accept it or not.

And you know this, how?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by enigma™


It is sealed, no civilian knows what the "truth" is about that warrant. :rolleyes: [/*]

The "civilian" and whomever she told about it in the nearly year after it was executed and before it was sealed certainly knows the "truth" about the warrant. :rolleyes:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by enigma™


And you know this, how? [/*]

By investing sums of money in my education. :rolleyes:

[Jules2]

Originally posted by Celiarun



What is sealed points solidly at someone other than Jason Young whether you want to accept it or not. [/*]

Here we go again with the sealed warrant "speculation".

If the warrant is sealed, it means you haven't seen it....so how on earth do you know who or what it may or may not implicate?

Your stating, as fact, that the warrants point solidly at someone other than Jason when IN FACT...you have no way of knowing. This is how rumors get started, and the last I heard, CW is not tolerating the initiation of rumors on this board.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Jules2


Here we go again with the sealed warrant "speculation".

If the warrant is sealed, it means you haven't seen it....so how on earth do you know who or what it may or may not implicate?

Your stating, as fact, that the warrants point solidly at someone other than Jason when IN FACT...you have no way of knowing. This is how rumors get started, and the last I heard, CW is not tolerating the initiation of rumors on this board. [/*]

Apparently you are not aware that the warrant was executed in July '07 but wasn't sealed for nearly a year. That isn't rumor, it is FACT.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Celiarun
By investing sums of money in my education. :rolleyes:

:lol:

Thanks for the big guffaw. Wow, I never thought I'd be able to type again after reading that whopper.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Originally posted by enigma™


It is sealed, no civilian knows what the "truth" is about that warrant. :rolleyes: [/*]

Jason knows, the Young's know, King Cole / Gojo knows. If they know, then more "civilians" know as well.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Celiarun

The "civilian" and whomever she told about it in the nearly year after it was executed and before it was sealed certainly knows the "truth" about the warrant. :rolleyes:

Did your sums of money pay her (whoever "her" is) to reveal the contents of this particular search warrant, or did your sums of money pay for schooling in the art of clairvoyance? You are a hoot today. No, really, you are.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by enigma™


:lol:

Thanks for the big guffaw. Wow, I never thought I'd be able to type again after reading that whopper. [/*]

It's the truth whether you want to believe it or not. Because you don't contribute anything here except 24/7 insults to other posters, I'm going to put you on ignore.:seeya:

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Celiarun

Apparently you are not aware that the warrant was executed in July '07 but wasn't sealed for nearly a year. That isn't rumor, it is FACT.

And your point is?

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Originally posted by Celiarun


By investing sums of money in my education. :rolleyes: [/*]

As a psychic, a mind reader, as a what? What kind of education allows you "know" what is in a sealed SW?

If you know it’s because King Cole / Gojo told you.

[dkny]

I was just thinking about the size ten athletic shoe/sneaker, I was shopping for my Husband the other day and bought a pair of NB runing sneakers for him, I did not have my glasses w/me and my husband wears an 11 or 12 depending on the make of the sneaker/shoe. I pick out a pair in size 11 that I thought he would like and bought them. When he went to try them on the sneaker fit him wrong and he commented what is wrong w/these sneakers ? He looked at the tag and said you bought me women's sneakers, these sneakers were not a woman's style by any means. Maybe JY's Mom or sisters picked him up a pair of sneakers @ one time and made the same mistake I made. JY mighyt have used them to stain the deck, as to not ruin another pair of shoes. JMHO.

[Jules2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Apparently you are not aware that the warrant was executed in July '07 but wasn't sealed for nearly a year. That isn't rumor, it is FACT. [/*]


I know all about the warrant. But once again you twist my words. :no:


What is NOT a fact is what is in the warrants. No one is going to believe that you know what's in them just because you say you were given the information by someone who knows.

Unless you have a link, then it's all hearsay/gossip/made up/untruths/BS. IMO

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Celiarun
It's the truth whether you want to believe it or not. Because you don't contribute anything here except 24/7 insults to other posters, I'm going to put you on ignore.:seeya:

I do believe you said the same thing yesterday. I know you live and breathe for my every post, do not deny it. You are the one that arrives daily to chum the thread. I have insulted no one. I can not help it if my intelligence is beyond your comprehension. Good luck with finding that ignore button. MUO

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN!

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


As a psychic, a mind reader, as a what? What kind of education allows you "know" what is in a sealed SW?

If you know it’s because King Cole / Gojo told you. [/*]

The search warrant wasn't sealed for nearly a year.

You have no idea who my source is.

:rolleyes:

[enigma™]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC
As a psychic, a mind reader, as a what? What kind of education allows you "know" what is in a sealed SW?

If you know it’s because King Cole / Gojo told you.

And if kingcole told her, then the only logical deduction would be that the July '07 warrant was served on someone in the Young family.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Originally posted by enigma™


And if kingcole told her, then the only logical deduction would be that the July '07 warrant was served on someone in the Young family. [/*]

BINGO

[dkny]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


Haven’t you heard dkny? Ma Pat never makes mistakes. There fore your theory must be wrong. :shrug: [/*]

Yes, "And that is all I need to know"..

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


Haven’t you heard dkny? Ma Pat never makes mistakes. There fore your theory must be wrong. :shrug: [/*]


:no:

Who is Ma Pat?

CW said :no:

Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Jules2



I know all about the warrant. But once again you twist my words. :no:


What is NOT a fact is what is in the warrants. No one is going to believe that you know what's in them just because you say you were given the information by someone who knows.

Unless you have a link, then it's all hearsay/gossip/made up/untruths/BS. IMO [/*]

If you don't want to believe I know information, that's fine with me. I can't link to something I've been told. I suggest you :read:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=18

[BSNBREVARDNC]

I think the SW’s that happened later on in this case have more to do with sending messages that actually obtaining “new” evidence.

Kind of a psych – ops sorta thing

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Originally posted by Celiarun


If you don't want to believe I know information, that's fine with me. I can't link to something I've been told. I suggest you :read:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=18 [/*]

And the JDI get discredited all the time for doing the same thing. Like I’ve said before, double standards.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by dkny
I was just thinking about the size ten athletic shoe/sneaker, I was shopping for my Husband the other day and bought a pair of NB runing sneakers for him, I did not have my glasses w/me and my husband wears an 11 or 12 depending on the make of the sneaker/shoe. I pick out a pair in size 11 that I thought he would like and bought them. When he went to try them on the sneaker fit him wrong and he commented what is wrong w/these sneakers ? He looked at the tag and said you bought me women's sneakers, these sneakers were not a woman's style by any means. Maybe JY's Mom or sisters picked him up a pair of sneakers @ one time and made the same mistake I made. JY mighyt have used them to stain the deck, as to not ruin another pair of shoes. JMHO. [/*]

So, you purchased the wrong size shoe for your husband and he pointed it out. Why keep and try to WEAR a shoe two sizes too small? That makes no sense whatsoever, imvho.

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by dkny
I was just thinking about the size ten athletic shoe/sneaker, I was shopping for my Husband the other day and bought a pair of NB runing sneakers for him, I did not have my glasses w/me and my husband wears an 11 or 12 depending on the make of the sneaker/shoe. I pick out a pair in size 11 that I thought he would like and bought them. When he went to try them on the sneaker fit him wrong and he commented what is wrong w/these sneakers ? He looked at the tag and said you bought me women's sneakers, these sneakers were not a woman's style by any means. Maybe JY's Mom or sisters picked him up a pair of sneakers @ one time and made the same mistake I made. JY mighyt have used them to stain the deck, as to not ruin another pair of shoes. JMHO. [/*]OR......They were on the feet of a female Sounds logical to me.

[dkny]

Originally posted by Celiarun


So, you purchased the wrong size shoe for your husband and he pointed it out. Why keep and try to WEAR a shoe two sizes too small? That makes no sense whatsoever, imvho. [/*]

When did I say I did not return them ? And if they were a gift to JY maybe he kept them as to not hurt anyone's feelings, because obviously he cares a whole lot about his family. Of course it would not make sense to someone w/a closed mind. IMHO.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
OR......They were on the feet of a female Sounds logical to me. [/*]

Very logical to me. What isn't logical at all is to believe Jason wore two different-sized and brands of shoes simultaneously. That's laughably absurd, imvho.

[dkny]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
OR......They were on the feet of a female Sounds logical to me. [/*]

I thought about that as well and none of the search warrants are geared towards anyone other than JY. JMHO.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by dkny


When did I say I did not return them ? And if they were a gift to JY maybe he kept them as to not hurt anyone's feelings, because obviously he cares a whole lot about his family. Of course it would not make sense to someone w/a closed mind. IMHO. [/*]

Why would anyone keep a pair of shoes that don't fit? How would returning something in the wrong size hurt someone's feelings? Maybe you would you wear shoes two sizes too small just because someone in your family gave them to you but I sure wouldn't. If it doesn't fit, it's a waste of money. You're the one not making sense, sorry.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by dkny
I thought about that as well and none of the search warrants are geared towards anyone other than JY. JMHO.

Except in the minds of those "in the know", or so they would like you to believe.

I cannot wait for justice to prevail. Linda has been the epitome of patience throughout this ordeal. Meredith, as well. It can't be easy for them to hear that the person who murdered Michelle has been globe trotting for the past 22 months.

:rose: for Linda
:rose: for Meredith
:rose: for Cassidy

Justice is coming.

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by dkny


I thought about that as well and none of the search warrants are geared towards anyone other than JY. JMHO. [/*]We really don`t know that until a arrest is made or other SW are made public

[dkny]

You sound so silly! It is my opinion you do not have to agree. And I agree w/you who would wear shoes 2 sizes too small on the other hand I wear a size 6 depending on the make of the shoe women's size, I also fit into kids size 4 crocs and sneakers. My 9 year old niece gets a kick out it when I fit into her shoes that is how I know. JMHO.

[dkny]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
We really don`t know that until a arrest is made or other SW are made public [/*]

Your right, what I have read so far leads me to believe that the investigation is geared towards JY. JMO

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Hiller
I guess you get an "F" for legal research effort here Shack.
The window to file Wrongful death is NOT extended 2 years after an arrest.

Basic 1st year law student should know that
:no:

I am still trying to figure out why a law class in OH would be studying a case from NC? Would it not be more prudent to take on a local case? More logical to study a case in the state you will probably take the bar? Surely, between Cincinnati and Cleveland, there would be a plethora of cases to decipher warrants. :shrug:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Hiller

Bad memory huh Kat :rolleyes:

I never said the detectives would have an arrest by the end of the summer. Quit misrepresenting facts. [/*]

You sure did tell us that your buddy detective friends told you at the Lady Bug Festival, that there would be an arrest by the end of the summer.

Of course, you used another one of your names since you have been banned here so much..

:biggrin:

So, Oct, now, huh?

Kat

[dkny]

Re wrongful death, we would need to know what MY's will read in terms of who her "representative" is. Only they could file a wrongful death. JMO

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by dkny


Your right, what I have read so far leads me to believe that the investigation is geared towards JY. JMO [/*]That`s cool.I have stated numerous x`s. I want justice for Michelle and that means arrest AND conviction of the person or person`s who murdered her.

[dkny]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
That`s cool.I have stated numerous x`s. I want justice for Michelle and that means arrest AND conviction of the person or person`s who murdered her. [/*]

I want to see the same thing whoever it is. JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Hiller


The question is what will you do when he is arrested ?
I am not worried about my prediction. [/*]



Hey, take all the time you need.

You need until Thanksgiving, Christmas, you got it!!

I just hate to see all that compelling evidence just sitting there, but hey, I understand.

These things take time, and if 22 months is not enough, you just take another 22 !!

Jason isn't going anywhere, well, maybe some more vacation time coming up, but, what the hey, they can always find him, right?

And, if not, I am sure you know where he is at all times.

Kat

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Hiller


Nope, guess you can't understand my posts, sorry.

I said
THERE WILL BE AN ARREST BEFORE THE END OF OCTOBER 2008. [/*]:lol:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Jules2



It's cool if you want to state something you heard but state it as such and not as a true indisputable fact. Which is what you always do. :no:

Hearsay is what your information is, and no, I don't believe it. [/*]

:rolleyes:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


True.
Admittedly, there has been very little released on this case. However, what has been released points solidly towards Jason. I’ve seen nothing about securiy video of a neighbor, MF, MM, or anyone else. Nothing about anyone elses shoes, vehicles being searched, etc., etc. [/*]

That does not mean it does not exist.

Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hiller


Nope, guess you can't understand my posts, sorry.

I said
THERE WILL BE AN ARREST BEFORE THE END OF OCTOBER 2008. [/*]

I totally agree with you.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


You sure did tell us that your buddy detective friends told you at the Lady Bug Festival, that there would be an arrest by the end of the summer.

Of course, you used another one of your names since you have been banned here so much..

:biggrin:

So, Oct, now, huh?

Kat [/*]

I guess the detectives neglected to tell him who would be the arrestee. :shrug:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Celiarun


I guess the detectives neglected to tell him who would be the arrestee. :shrug: [/*]


You think?

I didn't know detectives were allowed to do that.

:shrug:

Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



No need to yell!!

We read your posts the last time, and the time before that, and this time last year predicting an arrest etc, etc.

Hey, whatever happened to Outside the Box?
His prediction was for 3/31/07.
Would you say he was a little "off" too?

:biggrin:

Kat [/*]

The only prediction I've seen here that has proved to be true was the postings over a year ago that said LE was sitting on search warrants and not returning them. I wonder how many more are out there?:biggrin:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



You think?

I didn't know detectives were allowed to do that.

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

Detectives can also LIE.

:patriot:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Celiarun


The only prediction I've seen here that has proved to be true was the postings over a year ago that said LE was sitting on search warrants and not returning them. I wonder how many more are out there?:biggrin: [/*]



I have to admit most of the insiders have disappointed me too.

You know the ones that tried to insist that Jason tried to kill Michelle before?
I was sure something was going to come of that, weren't you?

I saw handcuffs, the orange jumpsuit, and everything!

Or the ones that said they had to get married, and Jason really didn't want to, then we find out that not only did he propose but he married her 2x. !!!

Got to love it when the facts really do come out.

Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles




I have to admit most of the insiders have disappointed me too.

You know the ones that tried to insist that Jason tried to kill Michelle before?

Or the ones that said they had to get married, and Jason really didn't want to, then we find out that not only did he propose but he married her 2x. !!!

Got to love those facts when they come out.

Kat [/*]

The posters who predicted LE were sitting on search warrants and proved to be right are the reeeeeal insiders.;)

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Hiller
Who is "outside the box" :confused:

I have NEVER provided an arrest date window until today.
Like I said for the 3rd time, STOP misrepresenting what posters have said in the past. Provide a quote link or get your facts straight .

K ?

That is all she has to work with. If she can't do the twist and shout with posts, she has nothing. Same with the rest of her cohorts. MUO

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN!

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Neo


You are going to be very disappointed in your "Jay" when the real facts come out. Trust me. [/*]


I know it, the real Jay, the one who lost his Michelle, who is trying to put his life back together and raise his daughter?

That Jay?

Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hiller


~snipped~

One thing is for sure, kat can't say "rush to judgement" after 24 months. :biggrin: [/*]

fyi: MF's supporters won't be able to say "rush to judgment," either.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Hiller
Don't hold your breath Neo.

Remember Kat's post after the SW's were unsealed ?

"After reading the SW's I am now more convinced than ever
Jay is innocent" :lol:

When he is arrested, look for the very same Jay fans to cry injustice.

One thing is for sure, kat can't say "rush to judgement" after 24 months. :biggrin:

Remember this post in the future, Hiller. As a matter of fact, try to remember each and every one where the JII congregation has stated, unequivocally, that LE has never named a suspect, nor have they named a person of interest. When Jason is arrested for his dastardly deeds, there will be cries of "foul", and "Jason was the only suspect/POI that LE looked at for 22 months. True story.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Celiarun

fyi: MF's supporters won't be able to say "rush to judgment," either.

Meredith's supporters will not need to borrow a phrase from the Jason supporters. MUO

Your meltdown will be the worst of all, toto.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by onederwomyn
Changing subjects...

I wonder where Jason made the call to Meredith. If it was on his cell, it had to ping off of a tower. I would like to know which tower (location), and time. Is it on a normal route from the Hampton to his meeting? Is it somewhere he logically should not have been?

Isn't there one SW still sealed? Perhaps it has that kind of info??

No one, that I am aware of, has seen the phone records. I do believe, when they are released during trial, they will be very enlightening.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Hiller


Don't hold your breath Neo.

Remember Kat's post after the SW's were unsealed ?

"After reading the SW's I am now more convinced than ever
Jay is innocent" :lol:

When he is arrested, look for the very same Jay fans to cry injustice.

One thing is for sure, kat can't say "rush to judgement" after 24 months. :biggrin: [/*]


I think "we" all know the great lengths and beyond you have gone to, in trying to get Jason arrested, that scares most people following the case.

So far your efforts have produced=nothing.

Keep trying.

22 months and counting.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Hiller



It was 7:30 am on Friday
He called her from the Hampton Inn in Hillsville after he returned . [/*]


Yep...that is another reason he has been arrested, cause he went back to the hotel.....:rolleyes:

I sure would hate to find out someone saw him reading the paper in the lobby earlier that am, wouldn't you?

Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



I think "we" all know the great lengths and beyond you have gone to, in trying to get Jason arrested, that scares most people following the case.

So far your efforts have produced=nothing.

Keep trying.

22 months and counting.

Kat [/*]

I wouldn't say the efforts have produced=nothing. I think the result will be felony obstruction charges for harrassing the victim's family.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Hiller
Up to October 21, 2008 arrest deadline.

Up to 46 days and counting

:patriot: [/*]

Okay, we will preserve this in our time Message Board vault for safe keeping..

We can put it with your other predictions, there should be room for one more.

Now, you will show up, if such arrest does not take place?

I hate it when posters just disappear without a trace, don't you?

Oct 21st it is...
:)

Kat

[enigma™]

Originally posted by agathachristie

:lol:

What is going to be interesting is when Celiarun and all her incarnations are taken to task for trying to implicate Meredith in the murder of her beloved sister, Michelle. Add to that, all the ones who cheered her on and took up the party line. Now they have something to worry about, felony harassment being the least of their worries. MUO

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hiller


I'll take my chances with the cops.

You are the one that needs to worry about hiring a civil attorney to defend numerous libel suits that are sure to come :D [/*]

:rolleyes:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Hiller


Yep, by 10-21-08 it is .

I look forward to seeing you here after the arrest, K ?

btw, don't tattle on me to get me banned like you normally do.
This will be all for not if you do ;) [/*]


You have brought nothing to this Board but empty promises and predictions.

If you want to make another one, go ahead.

Remember when you swore Jason hired a hitman.:biggrin:

If you get banned, you do that by yourself.

You have had enough attention today, can you get some from

somewhere else now?,

I would like to talk about Michelle now, since the weather has cancelled my weekend plans.

Thanxxxxx.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by enigma™


What is going to be interesting is when Celiarun and all her incarnations are taken to task for trying to implicate Meredith in the murder of her beloved sister, Michelle. Add to that, all the ones who cheered her on and took up the party line. Now they have something to worry about, felony harassment being the least of their worries. MUO [/*]

Would that include the poster that stated the only sister was about to be arrested on embezzlement charges?

Hope this helps.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Celiarun


:rolleyes: [/*]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hiller


I know, I know, it stinks.
All those nasty posts at RU are preserved for future litigation.
Thankfully, the worst of the worst are stored in one neat place. [/*]

Nasty TRUTH doesn't = libel no matter where something is posted.

Felony obstruction charges however, are for illegal acts such as phoning the Hampton Inn and pretending to be Jason Young in order to obtain his personal information. Or illegally accessing his CLUE report and posting it online. Just two examples of many. It won't be Jason Young taking action, it will the the companies who were defrauded, imvho.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Would that include the poster that stated the only sister was about to be arrested on embezzlement charges?

Hope this helps.

Kat [/*]

iirc, the poster stated the only sister was arrested for embezzlement charges. There was no "about to be" in it. It was stated as a done deal.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by enigma™


What is going to be interesting is when Celiarun and all her incarnations are taken to task for trying to implicate Meredith in the murder of her beloved sister, Michelle. Add to that, all the ones who cheered her on and took up the party line. Now they have something to worry about, felony harassment being the least of their worries. MUO [/*]


I'm taking you off ignore this to respond to your misrepresentation of my posts. I haven't implicated Meredith, her words on the 911 tape implicate her as well as her own writings on various Internet postings. :no:

[shack]

Originally posted by dkny
I was just thinking about the size ten athletic shoe/sneaker, I was shopping for my Husband the other day and bought a pair of NB runing sneakers for him, I did not have my glasses w/me and my husband wears an 11 or 12 depending on the make of the sneaker/shoe. I pick out a pair in size 11 that I thought he would like and bought them. When he went to try them on the sneaker fit him wrong and he commented what is wrong w/these sneakers ? He looked at the tag and said you bought me women's sneakers, these sneakers were not a woman's style by any means. Maybe JY's Mom or sisters picked him up a pair of sneakers @ one time and made the same mistake I made. JY mighyt have used them to stain the deck, as to not ruin another pair of shoes. JMHO. [/*]

Maybe they did . Then again maybe one of the restaurant workers in town wore a size 10. Anything is possible.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Wyn


What exactly is the "Lady Bug Festival"?

Did you perhaps mean the "Michelle Young Ladybug Memorial", or the "Ladybug Liftoff"? Both are acceptable. Funny, I don't remember any "Fest" to it. It wasn't a festival. It was to honor a murder victim and your constantly referring to it incorrectly as a "Fest" is very disrespectful. hammer

And for you, and anyone else who hasn't figured it out, the case HAS recently gone to the DA's office. [/*]


"We" have all agreed not to use the icon you used out of respect for Michelle and the fact she was bludgeoned to death.

Some people call it the bugfest, I was being nice.

The Cooper case also said that the DA would be handling the q's now too, this does not mean either of the 2 cases have been officially turned over, unless, you got a link?

Thanxxx.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by shack


Maybe they did . Then again maybe one of the restaurant workers in town wore a size 10. Anything is possible. [/*]



No, wait.

Here is the latest.

Jason hired a hit man who wore the size 10 shoes.
The hitman botched the job, so he called Jason at the Hampton to come home and finish it.
Jason was so angry by the time he got back that he killed both of them.

ETA.......Then he kept the 500 bucks for himself.
:rolleyes:

Kat

[shack]

Originally posted by Hiller



It was 7:30 am on Friday
He called her from the Hampton Inn in Hillsville after he returned . [/*]

Do you have a link to the 7:30 on a Friday ?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Hiller


WRONG Kat.

We constantly correct your factual errors.
PLEASE learn the facts before you post, Thanks

The CPD are still very actively investigating the Cooper murder and unlike the MY case, it has NOT been turned over to the DA for final review before indictment

The DA was involved with the litigation to seal the warrants in the Cooper case.
Who else do you think would do that fro the State in open court:confused: [/*]

So, they found the hitman's body that you said Jason hired?
Cool.
:cool:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Wyn


"WE" haven't agreed to anything. Why don't you agree to stop being disrespectful when you mention the memorial for Michelle?

I don't need a link to know it's been turned over. I've been told by people who know. Don't really care if you believe it or not. There was a clue in the Transylvania Times article last week. Go back and read it, maybe you'll figure it out. :read:

Thanxxxxxx! [/*]

Nahhhhhhhh, I can wait till Halloween..

Kat

[5swab5]

UNBELIEVABLE that a little icon can be considered disrespectful to Michelle.

YET, when her husband spends the Anniversary of her death partying in Puerto Rico, Neglects to attend ANY of her Memorials or Celebrations of her life and is TOO SORRY to even have a tombstone erected on her and Rylan's grave, he is given a free pass.

:shrug:

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Hanna is moving fast and gaining hurricane strength and headed for the Carolinas.



Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Wyn


I find it funny. They don't want to know. [/*]


I don't find anything about this case funny, but, hey, that's just me.

:shrug:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5
UNBELIEVABLE that a little icon can be considered disrespectful to Michelle.

YET, when her husband spends the Anniversary of her death partying in Puerto Rico, Neglects to attend ANY of her Memorials or Celebrations of her life and is TOO SORRY to even have a tombstone erected on her and Rylan's grave, he is given a free pass.

:shrug:

MOO

Swabby [/*]

Not a free pass, Swabby, but I would need more information before I judged him..

For instance, Scott Peterson attended Laci's Memorial..so , where did that get him? Death Row, front seat...

For instance, Jason wanted to get away on the anninversary of his Michelle and grieve privately.

For instance, L E owns the burial plot and has the authority to dictate what is or is not placed there.

K?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Wyn


Is this the weather board? [/*]


No, but this case took place in North Carolina , so it is on topic.

Kind of..or..maybe I just always wanted to be a weather reporter.

Be safe!!

:)
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Wyn


Twisting words again, are we? You know I meant I find you funny because you don't want to know the truth. Wanted a link but can't look it up yourself when given direction. Spin on, doesn't change the fact that the DA has the case now. [/*]


I know,:rolleyes: the DA has the case, and the arrest will be on the 21st of Oct.
46 days from now.

I got the drill memorized.

:shrug:

Kat

[dkny]

Originally posted by bookie




Michelle's will has nothing to do with who can file a wrongful death suit. In NC immediate family members can file. Immediate family members include parents and siblings.


Who can file a wrongful death claim?

This varies by state, but generally immediate family members (spouses, children and parents) are the ones that can pursue a wrongful death claim. Some states are now extending the definition of “immediate family members” to include grandparents, legal dependents, or members of the extended family, in limited situations.

http://www.triangle-wrongful-death-lawyers.com/faqs.html#3 [/*]

I see your internet quote, I disagree. JMO

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Celiarun
I'm taking you off ignore this to respond to your misrepresentation of my posts. I haven't implicated Meredith, her words on the 911 tape implicate her as well as her own writings on various Internet postings. :no:

I knew you hung on my every word. Meredith's emergency call was nothing short of disbelief at what she was forced to look at due to a call from the murderer asking for a "favor".

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by bookie




Michelle's will has nothing to do with who can file a wrongful death suit. In NC immediate family members can file. Immediate family members include parents and siblings.


Who can file a wrongful death claim?

This varies by state, but generally immediate family members (spouses, children and parents) are the ones that can pursue a wrongful death claim. Some states are now extending the definition of “immediate family members” to include grandparents, legal dependents, or members of the extended family, in limited situations.

http://www.triangle-wrongful-death-lawyers.com/faqs.html#3 [/*]

I disagree, too. In NC, the personal representative files the wrongful death action.

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapter_28A/GS_28A-18-2.pdf

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Wyn

Is this the weather board?

Coldwater linked a sports thread yesterday, I believe it was. Perhaps she would be kind enough to link the hurricane/weather thread for those that can not seem to find it.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I disagree, too. In NC, the personal representative files the wrongful death action.

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapter_28A/GS_28A-18-2.pdf [/*]


No matter who files, it has to be done before 11/02/08.

But , for all the good civil suits do, I don't know.

Sharon Rocha will never receive any money from Scott.

OJ Simpson never paid a cent to the Goldmans and Browns.

But, I do understand wanting to file one, if nothing more than principal..

:(

Kat

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Not a free pass, Swabby, but I would need more information before I judged him..

For instance, Scott Peterson attended Laci's Memorial..so , where did that get him? Death Row, front seat...

For instance, Jason wanted to get away on the anninversary of his Michelle and grieve privately.

For instance, L E owns the burial plot and has the authority to dictate what is or is not placed there.

K?

Kat [/*]

If that's not a free pass, I don't know what would qualify.

MOO

Swabby

Psst. Scott got a seat on death row, because he murdered Laci and Connor, not because he attended a Candlelight Vigil.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



No matter who files, it has to be done before 11/02/08.

But , for all the good civil suits do, I don't know.

Sharon Rocha will never receive any money from Scott.

OJ Simpson never paid a cent to the Goldmans and Browns.

But, I do understand wanting to file one, if nothing more than principal..

:(

Kat [/*]

Yes, it does have to be filed by then, and it wouldn't surprise me if it were. And I think part of it is principal, but the other part of it is accountability, imo.

ETA: IF a wrongful death action were filed against Jason, do you think he would defend himself in court?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


If that's not a free pass, I don't know what would qualify.

MOO

Swabby

Psst. Scott got a seat on death row, because he murdered Laci and Connor, not because he attended a Candlelight Vigil. [/*]


Oops, I meant L F owned the burial plot, not L E. (typo)

Have a great weekend , I hope everyone's team wins, and the hurricane passes us all by without any injuries or extensive damage.
46 days>>>>>>>>

:seeya:

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Oops, I meant L F owned the burial plot, not L E. (typo)

Have a great weekend , I hope everyone's team wins, and the hurricane passes us all by without any injuries or extensive damage.
46 days>>>>>>>>

:seeya:

Kat [/*]

Bye, Kat. :seeya:

[awareness]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
OJ Simpson never paid a cent to the Goldmans and Browns.
[/*]

The Goldmans have received various funds from the case though, usually via court order.

JMO/IMO

[Sparrow]

Originally posted by agathachristie



Link: Gojo [/*]

outsidethebox

speculation only

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by Hiller


WRONG Kat.

We constantly correct your factual errors.
PLEASE learn the facts before you post, Thanks

The CPD are still very actively investigating the Cooper murder and unlike the MY case, it has NOT been turned over to the DA for final review before indictment

The DA was involved with the litigation to seal the warrants in the Cooper case.
Who else do you think would do that for the State in open court:confused: [/*]

Don't you know that the DA is now deputizing for LE by answering all questions on murder cases? You are doing a valiant job in trying to keep the facts straight here but, unfortunately, I think you're fighting a losing battle. The JII crowd will use whatever illogic is necessary to try to skew the perspective of those who truly want justice for Michelle and Rylan, no matter where it leads.

[Barbara2]

Perhaps the weather report was a preemptive strike to give an excuse for why a certain someone slips out of town in the early morning hours of this coming Tuesday. In that case it would be on topic. :hat:

[enigma™]

Originally posted by agathachristie
[QUOTE]Originally posted by enigma™

I knew you hung on my every word.

snipped

:lol: Didn't I make that call? Doesn't the ignore button hide someone's post so you don't even see it? How did she see it then? Case closed.

MOO Aggie

You absolutely did. And, I knew you were right when I read it. The posts are hidden unless someone quotes, or curious Celia clicks to see what she is missing. I bet she doesn't even know where the ignore feature is hidden. But enough about her. It is time for an arrest in the matter of the state vs. the murderer.

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN!

[shack]

Originally posted by Hiller


The criminal trial will take care of 'principal'
The civil suit is for Cassidy.

Linda will get control over the $1mm life insurance to be sure Cassidy gets 100%. If not, he could get off and blow the money or give 1/2 to his mother and girlfriends. [/*]

You know I think you may have finally figured out the motive behind this murder. LF getting control of the life insurance. I'm looking through the papers I have and I now have found where it was reported and then retracted that the Fishers or some members of that family was withdrawing funds from the little girls college fund. Now you say they are going after the insurance money. What better motive always follow the money.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by shack


You know I think you may have finally figured out the motive behind this murder. LF getting control of the life insurance. I'm looking through the papers I have and I now have found where it was reported and then retracted that the Fishers or some members of that family was withdrawing funds from the little girls college fund. Now you say they are going after the insurance money. What better motive always follow the money. [/*]

Try again, super sleuth. Linda was in New York. I'm sure her alibi has been checked out. IMO.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by shack

You know I think you may have finally figured out the motive behind this murder. LF getting control of the life insurance. I'm looking through the papers I have and I now have found where it was reported and then retracted that the Fishers or some members of that family was withdrawing funds from the little girls college fund. Now you say they are going after the insurance money. What better motive always follow the money.

Following the money leads directly to Jason Lynn Young. Do not pass go, do not collect $200 (or $500) dollars. Linda isn't assured of gaining control of anything. If she files a wrongful death suit, I speculate it will be to stop Jason from profiting from the death of Michelle. Nothing more, nothing less.

Jason, on the other hand, had at least ($)1 million reasons to murder Michelle, and possibly ($)2. It depends on who is counting.

[shack]

Originally posted by Hiller



Yes that was true

However, it also stated by someone that in fact knew when the call was made.....not the retired teacher ;) [/*]

Only 3 people would know when that call was made, JY, MF and LE.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by shack


Only 3 people would know when that call was made, JY, MF and LE. [/*]

Actually the people at the phone company who prepared the records would know. It could be more than 3 people. IMO

[shack]

Originally posted by enigma™


Following the money leads directly to Jason Lynn Young. Do not pass go, do not collect $200 (or $500) dollars. Linda isn't assured of gaining control of anything. If she files a wrongful death suit, I speculate it will be to stop Jason from profiting from the death of Michelle. Nothing more, nothing less.

Jason, on the other hand, had at least ($)1 million reasons to murder Michelle, and possibly ($)2. It depends on who is counting. [/*]

You are wrong. Michelle was worth a lot more to Jason alive.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by shack


You are wrong. Michelle was worth a lot more to Jason alive. [/*]

Not if she divorced him, she wouldn't be. That would certainly be a motive. IMO

[shack]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Not if she divorced him, she wouldn't be. That would certainly be a motive. IMO [/*]

No creditable talk of a divorce from any of their family or friends. Friends said both of them seems to be happy .

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by shack


No creditable talk of a divorce from any of their family or friends. Friends said both of them seems to be happy . [/*]

Really? I guess it depends on which friends you talked to. There are friends that described trouble in paradise. IMO

[luna24]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Really? I guess it depends on which friends you talked to. There are friends that described trouble in paradise. IMO [/*]

I remember that too..and Michelle had begun seeing a therapist who was ordered to disclose details of their sessions with Michelle because it was deemed relevant to the homicide...

since LE is focusing on one main POI who is her husband, and they deem her therapy sessions to be relevant, it seems logical she was speaking to her therapist about her husband...

[enigma™]

Originally posted by shack

You are wrong. Michelle was worth a lot more to Jason alive.

BZZZT, I am sorry, your response does not compute. Michelle could have taken him for anything he was worth (although, it appears he was/is a worthless cad). Whoa, that almost sounded Geragosian. I am scaring myself.

Michelle could have sued him for child support and alimony for starters. Please step back and allow those that know a thing or 3 respond in the future. Thank you for playing.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Hiller

The only 'friends' that would say TODAY they had a good marriage reside in Brevard.

These 'friends' residing in Brevard, did they even know Michelle, or are they 'friends' with Jason? The state of their relationship was known only to Michelle and Jason, and even that is pushing it. I do not believe that Michelle ever thought it was to the point she would not survive to tell anyone about it. MUO

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN!

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Hiller

So now june is trying to implicate the victim's loving Mother.
Lady, you won't stop at anything to smear the entire family. :cuss:

That's no lady. No lady would sink that low. How do some of these people look at their reflections in the mirror? How does Jason get up every morning and carry on as if nothing has happened? How can he go on sales calls and look people in the eye and try to sell his product? Can he? The people he pitches to - do they know what he did? How is that career working for him?

How does he face Cassidy when he sees her? The child looks petrified of him in that 'jungle' picture. That is no way for a child to grow up. MUO

[gbmy]

So, the warrants that had been sealed since Feb. have been unsealed for a few weeks now. That day of 'unsealing' was deemed to be very significant. Many thought an arrest would soon follow. Maybe it will. But here we are again in the same holding pattern.

Do any of the JDI's believe that they have enough info to convince the DA of the following 2 things:

1. They can link him to the crime scene with forensics.
2. They can prove he left the hotel.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by gbmy
So, the warrants that had been sealed since Feb. have been unsealed for a few weeks now. That day of 'unsealing' was deemed to be very significant. Many thought an arrest would soon follow. Maybe it will. But here we are again in the same holding pattern.

Do any of the JDI's believe that they have enough info to convince the DA of the following 2 things:

1. They can link him to the crime scene with forensics.
2. They can prove he left the hotel. [/*]

It doesn't matter if they can convince the DA. It matters whether or not the DA believes he/she can convince a jury with available evidence that is admissable. IMO

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Hiller
1- yes
2- yes

Ditto.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by TIAZ
Hi all! Its been awhile! I see we have news of a possible arrest! FINALLY!!! [/*]

I think it's all up to the DA now. IMO

[gbmy]

Originally posted by Barbara2


It doesn't matter if they can convince the DA. It matters whether or not the DA believes he/she can convince a jury with available evidence that is admissable. IMO [/*]
I should have been more clear. Do you believe that based on the admissable evidence the DA has right now, that he/she is confident that a jury can be convinced that JY

1. Left the hotel
2. Can be linked to the crime scene with forensics.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by agathachristie

I whole heartedly agree. It's not about her, you or me. It's about this brutally murdered mother. If not an arrest, then release some of the search warrants. It's long overdue.

MOO Aggie

Nothing I can add to this. It is time. The world, as we know it, will be a much better place with the murderer behind bars. If the DA feels the evidence is not enough to go for the death penalty, then so be it. I waver between wanting him to fry, or be scared of what might face him in general population. Now that he has had 2 years to wander the planet without a care in the world, I say a solo cell is too good for him. Let him live with his kind. Murderers! I hear they do not take kindly to child killers.

:rose: for Rylan

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by gbmy

I should have been more clear. Do you believe that based on the admissable evidence the DA has right now, that he/she is confident that a jury can be convinced that JY

1. Left the hotel
2. Can be linked to the crime scene with forensics. [/*]

We'll know the answer to that question when they go to the GJ for an indictment and an arrest warrant is issued. IMO

[enigma™]

Originally posted by gbmy
I should have been more clear. Do you believe that based on the admissable evidence the DA has right now, that he/she is confident that a jury can be convinced that JY

1. Left the hotel
2. Can be linked to the crime scene with forensics.

Yes and yes. MUO

[gbmy]

Originally posted by enigma™


Ditto. [/*]
Enigma and Hiller, thanks for the straight answers. To me, that's always refreshing when someone takes a stand whether I agree with it or not. Since you both believe the DA has enough evidence to prove he left the hotel and enough evidence to link him to the crime scene, then what are some of your theories as to why he hasn't been taken into custody? The obvious answer is, because they are still dotting the Is and crossing the Ts, but I'm wondering if you might have other less vague ideas.

[gbmy]

Originally posted by Barbara2


We'll know the answer to that question when they go to the GJ for an indictment and an arrest warrant is issued. IMO [/*]
Ok, having no opinion as to whether you believe they can prove he left the hotel and can link him to the crime scene is a fair response.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by gbmy

Ok, having no opinion as to whether you believe they can prove he left the hotel and can link him to the crime scene is a fair response. [/*]

What you are really asking me is if I know what evidence has been collected by LE and turned over to the DA. The answer is No. If you're asking me if I believe based on what has been revealed in the warrants if they have enough to take this to trial, my answer is yes. IMO

[gbmy]

Originally posted by Hiller


I guess you missed both my answers .

Sounds like you want more detail

1- The cops have him walking toward the south exit wearing a garment that was mysteriously missing when the cops searched his luggage. He used his key-card ONCE, 6 minutes after he checked in. How does he explain being downstairs at midnight and not reentering his room that night ?

2- There is a bloody print of the same shoe he was PROVEN to own. The exit video also cannot EXCLUDE these shoes. Odd they were missing from his luggage and closet. The size 10 Franklin shoe print was also found at the scene. So happens a similar print was found preserved in deck satin. They found his DNA on the wall , surrounded by blood spatter. It was on the wall beside his closet, a mere 17" above the floor in the immediate vicinity of the body. [/*]
Hiller, your answers were a clear yes and yes! The reply you are now replying to was in response to barbara2's post not yours.

[gbmy]

Originally posted by Barbara2


What you are really asking me is if I know what evidence has been collected by LE and turned over to the DA. The answer is No. If you're asking me if I believe based on what has been revealed in the warrants if they have enough to take this to trial, my answer is yes. IMO [/*]
To be clear, anything I ever post on this board assumes the obvious fact that you or anyone won't know what evidence LE has collected and turned over to the DA. All we can do is discuss information that's in the public domain.

You've now answered the question. Now, if your opinion/belief is that they have enough info from what's revealed in the warrants to take this to trial, then what is your opinion as to why they are not doing that?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by gbmy

To be clear, anything I ever post on this board assumes the obvious fact that you or anyone won't know what evidence LE has collected and turned over to the DA. All we can do is discuss information that's in the public domain.

You've now answered the question. Now, if your opinion/belief is that they have enough info from what's revealed in the warrants to take this to trial, then what is your opinion as to why they are not doing that? [/*]

I have no idea. If I was the DA, he would be in jail now.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by gbmy
Enigma and Hiller, thanks for the straight answers. To me, that's always refreshing when someone takes a stand whether I agree with it or not. Since you both believe the DA has enough evidence to prove he left the hotel and enough evidence to link him to the crime scene, then what are some of your theories as to why he hasn't been taken into custody? The obvious answer is, because they are still dotting the Is and crossing the Ts, but I'm wondering if you might have other less vague ideas.

My least vague idea would be whether or not the DA wants the DP or LWOP. If the DA has just received this case, it has been reported it takes a month or 3 to review and then proceed. My greatest hope regarding this case is that the Fishers do not have to wait any longer than necessary for the murderer to face a jury of his peers.

[gbmy]

Originally posted by enigma™


My least vague idea would be whether or not the DA wants the DP or LWOP. If the DA has just received this case, it has been reported it takes a month or 3 to review and then proceed. My greatest hope regarding this case is that the Fishers do not have to wait any longer than necessary for the murderer to face a jury of his peers. [/*]
I definitely agree with your point about the Fishers continuing to wait.

Enigma, you had a good point which I hadn't thought of and that's that the DA may not have had all of the evidence as it was collected as I niavely thought. I haven't a clue how the process works.

barbara2, I'm sure the Fisher's wish you were the DA! :-)

[enigma™]

Originally posted by gbmy
I definitely agree with your point about the Fishers continuing to wait.

Enigma, you had a good point which I hadn't thought of and that's that the DA may not have had all of the evidence as it was collected as I niavely thought. I haven't a clue how the process works.

barbara2, I'm sure the Fisher's wish you were the DA! :-)

The DA should be aware of all criminal cases because that is the job. How closely they follow certain cases depends on the offense. I imagine petty cases, when prosecuted, are relegated to those with less experience. The higher the profile of a case, the closer the DA would be keeping tabs on it, as I see things. DA offices have their own investigators, as well. When LE is finished investigating the case, they present it to the DA to take further action or maybe strike a deal. This is all MUO.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Hiller

I think she said 1st :biggrin:

If the shoe fits. Wait, wrong case. I heard 1st grade, too, but I was not convinced.

[shack]

Originally posted by enigma™


BZZZT, I am sorry, your response does not compute. Michelle could have taken him for anything he was worth (although, it appears he was/is a worthless cad). Whoa, that almost sounded Geragosian. I am scaring myself.

Michelle could have sued him for child support and alimony for starters. Please step back and allow those that know a thing or 3 respond in the future. Thank you for playing. [/*]
Not really sure what your law is regarding alimony ,but where I live she wouldn't have collected alimony as she wasn't a dependant spouse.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by shack

Not really sure what your law is regarding alimony ,but where I live she wouldn't have collected alimony as she wasn't a dependant spouse. [/*]

She was planning to cut back on work in order to stay home with her child. He would be responsible for providing for a percentage of her support. IMO

[Barbara2]

I'm watching "Cape Fear" and it reminds me so much of this case. You know the bad guy is guilty but the good guys just keep missing it by the tiniest amount. You want them to catch the bad guy but they have to follow the law, and the law doesn't always make sense. Frustrating sometimes.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by shack

Not really sure what your law is regarding alimony ,but where I live she wouldn't have collected alimony as she wasn't a dependant spouse. [/*]


Although North Carolina is a no-fault divorce state and marital infidelity is typically not relevant to divorce proceedings, whether one spouse had an affair is extremely important in an action for alimony. N.C.G.S. 50-16.3A says that if the dependent spouse had an affair, that spouse is barred from receiving alimony. Or, if the supporting spouse had an affair, the court must award alimony to the dependent spouse. If both spouses cheated, the award of alimony is back in the court’s discretion.



http://kruschandsellers.wordpress.c...north-carolina/





§ 50‑16.3A. Alimony.

(a) Entitlement. – In an action brought pursuant to Chapter 50 of the General Statutes, either party may move for alimony. The court shall award alimony to the dependent spouse upon a finding that one spouse is a dependent spouse, that the other spouse is a supporting spouse, and that an award of alimony is equitable after considering all relevant factors, including those set out in subsection (*) of this section. If the court finds that the dependent spouse participated in an act of illicit sexual behavior, as defined in G.S. 50‑16.1A(3)a., during the marriage and prior to or on the date of separation, the court shall not award alimony. If the court finds that the supporting spouse participated in an act of illicit sexual behavior, as defined in G.S. 50‑16.1A(3)a., during the marriage and prior to or on the date of separation, then the court shall order that alimony be paid to a dependent spouse. If the court finds that the dependent and the supporting spouse each participated in an act of illicit sexual behavior during the marriage and prior to or on the date of separation, then alimony shall be denied or awarded in the discretion of the court after consideration of all of the circumstances. Any act of illicit sexual behavior by either party that has been condoned by the other party shall not be considered by the court.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Enacted...S_50-16.3A.html

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by shack


You know I think you may have finally figured out the motive behind this murder. LF getting control of the life insurance. I'm looking through the papers I have and I now have found where it was reported and then retracted that the Fishers or some members of that family was withdrawing funds from the little girls college fund. Now you say they are going after the insurance money. What better motive always follow the money. [/*]

Bingo.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by shack

Not really sure what your law is regarding alimony ,but where I live she wouldn't have collected alimony as she wasn't a dependant spouse. [/*]

That's true in my state as well. They had only been married three years and she had an excellent job with great earning potential. The fact that friends say she was planning on cutting back her hours AFTER the baby's birth is an indication Michelle wasn't planning on divorcing her husband and being a single parent in her near future.

[gbmy]

Originally posted by Barbara2
I'm watching "Cape Fear" and it reminds me so much of this case. You know the bad guy is guilty but the good guys just keep missing it by the tiniest amount. You want them to catch the bad guy but they have to follow the law, and the law doesn't always make sense. Frustrating sometimes. [/*]
I think that is a great analogy that would certainly apply to this case if the good lord told us all right now that JY was guilty. I've watched Cape Fear several times and it always shakes me up and, like you said, frustrates me. Why do I keep watching it? Good question which I can't answer!

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by gbmy

I think that is a great analogy that would certainly apply to this case if the good lord told us all right now that JY was guilty. I've watched Cape Fear several times and it always shakes me up and, like you said, frustrates me. Why do I keep watching it? Good question which I can't answer! [/*]

Regardless of who is guilty, that person is still out among good, law abiding people almost two years after brutally killing Michelle and her unborn baby. The good guys must still be missing something or think they are missing something. I think we would ALL like to see the murderer arrested soon! IMO

[Jules2]

Originally posted by onederwomyn


HEHE!! Ok, so you are quick to think a loving mother would kill her grown daughter for money is a possible motive, but that her "possibly" adulterous husband with "possible" worries about money doesn't seem plausible?

I state "possible" because I know it hasn't been 100% confirmed, but hopefully we will know the definitive answers soon.

At any rate, the fact that you would think that is a motive is in one word, PATHETIC. [/*]


I agree, onederwomyn, and it doesn't occur to the JII's that Michelle's family might be "going after the money" only, and I mean ONLY so that the murderer doesn't get his slimy paws on any of it.

IMO of course.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by bookie



All of this alimony/child support talk is based on an unfounded rumor. There has been no legitimate link showing a divorce was ever a possibility. And not a bit of outrage from the JDI's over the unfounded rumor. Amazing ain't it? [/*]

Divorce is a possibility in any marriage. Have you never been surprised when a couple you know divorces and you felt it was totally unexpected?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Divorce is a possibility in any marriage. Have you never been surprised when a couple you know divorces and you felt it was totally unexpected? [/*]

I've been surprised. But if the wife were seeing a therapist and the husband were involved with her good friend, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

JMO

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by bookie



Divorce in this case is a completely unfounded rumor. Certain JDI's rant and rave if a JII posts something they consider rumor without links to back it up but here the JDI's are posting about an imaginary divorce and not a single complaint. Facts are only required when a JII posts. I find that pathetic. [/*]

I think you're wrong. I think it goes both ways and I see the complaint often. In this case, no one is saying that they WERE getting a divorce. They are saying that under the circumstances it would be a possibility. I'm not seeing it posted as a fact but only a possible motive/reason why a husband might kill his wife. They say the most dangerous time for a woman is when she tries to leave. IMO.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I think you're wrong. I think it goes both ways and I see the complaint often. In this case, no one is saying that they WERE getting a divorce. They are saying that under the circumstances it would be a possibility. I'm not seeing it posted as a fact but only a possible motive/reason why a husband might kill his wife. They say the most dangerous time for a woman is when she tries to leave. IMO. [/*]

I would love to know what the conversation was between the GA friend and Michelle that fateful evening.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by annalyzer


I would love to know what the conversation was between the GA friend and Michelle that fateful evening. [/*]

My thoughts exactly. IIRC, the GA friend is married to Jason's good friend. Think she knew something and told Michelle?

[Cardinal]

I believe Kat is away for the weekend, Hiller, so please spare the rest of us your bait.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Hiller


I was stating a fact Cardinal.
It was in response to Kat's constant "22 months, bla bla bla"
I call that bait.

Why do you feel it is necessary to pop in with that response ? [/*]

Unless you can provide a link to Jason being arrested in 44 days, it is not a fact according to the TOS for this board.

Kat hasn't been here this morning, so your comment couldn't have been a response to her. "22 months" is, however, a fact - one which I personally find tragic.

Because I consider your post to be bait, and bait does not contribute to a discussion of this case, imo.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Cardinal


My thoughts exactly. IIRC, the GA friend is married to Jason's good friend. Think she knew something and told Michelle? [/*]

I'd like to know more if Michelle shared any feelings about Jason and their home life, circumstances, etc. But yeah it's possible the friend told her something but if this was planned out then Jason already had his reason(s) to murder Michelle.

[gbmy]

Originally posted by Hiller
Kat

44 days before JLY is cuffed. (could be earlier)

Tick, tock
Tick, tock [/*]

Other than a gut feel guess, what do you base this precise estimate for when he'll be arrested on?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by onederwomyn


HEHE!! Ok, so you are quick to think a loving mother would kill her grown daughter for money is a possible motive, but that her "possibly" adulterous husband with "possible" worries about money doesn't seem plausible?

I state "possible" because I know it hasn't been 100% confirmed, but hopefully we will know the definitive answers soon.

At any rate, the fact that you would think that is a motive is in one word, PATHETIC. [/*]

:rolleyes:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hiller


No she did not know anything.
She and Ryan had lunch with JLY the day before the funeral.
Nearly all of the friends supported him at first.

Of course, that quickly changed. NONE of his Raleigh buds or Michelle's friends can stand the sight of him now. [/*]

If that were remotely true, these friends wouldn't still be visiting with one another, spending vacations together, etc. :no:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hiller


Don't wag your finger at me.

They DO NOT spend ANYTIME together.
The last time JLY saw any of his old buds socially was in 2007.
You obviously have NO IDEA what you are blabbing about :rolleyes: [/*]

Jason and his friends do spend time together, email and speak frequently. Unlike yourself, I have no need to lie about it. :no:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Jason and his friends do spend time together, email and speak frequently. <snipped> [/*]

How do you know that?

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Celiarun
Jason and his friends do spend time together, email and speak frequently. Unlike yourself, I have no need to lie about it. :no:

Where is the link to back up this statement? :rolleyes: If you have no link, I will deduce that you made it up, i.e., lied. :no:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hiller


The point is you don't know any of these people and I do.

"friends" yes...as in Mountain Buds

I know for a FACT RS, SS, VA and JD have NOTHING to do with him.
He was NOT invited to the beach trip. The Raleigh group is totally repulsed by his name and image.

Stop posting misleading information on this board that you make up on a whim.
:no: [/*]

You're the one making it up, hon. Jason's friends don't speak to you. I don't need to make up lies about something so ridiculous. :rolleyes: