Michelle Young 8-30-08

[Lynne]

I have been following the Michelle Young murder case since November of 2006 and was wondering if, in light of the latest release of the search warrants, anyone has any doubts as to Jason's involvment in this double murder? I certaintly don't.

[BiggerRedDog]

Originally posted by Lynne
I have been following the Michelle Young murder case since November of 2006 and was wondering if, in light of the latest release of the search warrants, anyone has any doubts as to Jason's involvment in this double murder? I certaintly don't. [/*]Hello Lynne. Some still have doubts, some don't. Given what's known and what can be surmised, I don't have doubts. I do have doubts about what may or may not stand up in a court of law, at this point.

[Hecate]

bumping for the nonpoliticos

Hecate

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by BiggerRedDog
Hello Lynne. Some still have doubts, some don't. Given what's known and what can be surmised, I don't have doubts. I do have doubts about what may or may not stand up in a court of law, at this point. [/*]

I'm still willing to give Jason Young the benefit of the doubt, because he hasn't been indicted (that we know), there hasn't been a trial, and we haven't seen all of the evidence. I do find the pc in the SWs that were recently unsealed to be strongly indicative, but I don't think it would be enough to convict him.

JMO

[Hecate]

bumping

Hecate

[tiny paw-prints]

Since November 2006 and Jason's consistent lack of cooperation, his behavior and actions during the past 22+ months have brought forth strong Evidence.

For every month, week and day that goes by--there's more direct and circumstantial evidence, i.e., building a case around him.

:patriot: Lady Justice is calling Jason's name. IMO

[HI_CYCLE]

Well,well, well......What happed to scare NC Wanted? Check out the trash has been removed and the picture of Michelle and JASON that had SUSPECT has been cleaned up.


http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/3401466/
Authorities have never called Jason Young a suspect or person of interest in the case, but in multiple search warrant affidavits, they have characterized him as being unwilling to help investigators.

He talked with investigators the day his wife's body was found and later gave fingerprints under a court order, but has generally been uncooperative, they have said.

From the perspective of a defense attorney, Shanahan said that if he were representing Jason Young, he would urge him not to talk to investigators.
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Look`s like scout may have been spanked also,she has removed pictures posted on her board a couple days ago and having to remind her JDI to be a little more careful with their posts.
I suspect MR. Smith is doing the spanking and it`s about time.Something coming down............
:beer:

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints
Since November 2006 and Jason's consistent lack of cooperation, his behavior and actions during the past 22+ months have brought forth strong Evidence.

For every month, week and day that goes by--there's more direct and circumstantial evidence, i.e., building a case around him.

:patriot: Lady Justice is calling Jason's name. IMO [/*] I dont think so.
http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/3401466/
"Authorities have never called Jason Young a suspect or person of interest in the case"

[shack]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
I dont think so.
http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/3401466/
"Authorities have never called Jason Young a suspect or person of interest in the case" [/*]
People thought that emails pointing out the errors of their ways wouldn't work. Maybe they don't like the word libel.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
Well,well, well......

(snipped) Something coming down............
:beer: [/*]

I agree!!

:patriot: Lady Justice is calling Jason's name.

Echos from Raleigh to the Mountains of Brevard...

1-2 weeks? Max 3 weeks. JMG/IMO

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I agree!!

:patriot: Lady Justice is calling Jason's name.

Echos from Raleigh to the Mountains of Brevard...

1-2 weeks? Max 3 weeks. JMG/IMO [/*]NOPE, pictures wouldn`t be coming down and wrongful accusation disappearing if,Justice was calling Jason's name. But you already know that. Good try.

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by shack

People thought that emails pointing out the errors of their ways wouldn't work. Maybe they don't like the word libel. [/*]
:patriot: :beer:

[shack]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I agree!!

:patriot: Lady Justice is calling Jason's name.

Echos from Raleigh to the Mountains of Brevard...

1-2 weeks? Max 3 weeks. JMG/IMO [/*]

I think Lady justice may be getting ready to call some body but I don't think it is Jason Young. I think who lady Justice is after is who made the bogus Craigs list and convinced NCWanted to run with it. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE


(snipped)

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Look`s like scout may have been spanked also,she has removed pictures posted on her board a couple days ago and having to remind her JDI to be a little more careful with their posts.
I suspect MR. Smith is doing the spanking and it`s about time.Something coming down............
:beer: [/*]

Are you afraid to register as a member over there?

Just curious.

Because several of you JII's are posting here about what is posted over there.

IIRC, Coldwater has already warned everybody here about that.

Hope this helps.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
Well,well, well......What happed to scare NC Wanted? Check out the trash has been removed and the picture of Michelle and JASON that had SUSPECT has been cleaned up.


http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/3401466/
Authorities have never called Jason Young a suspect or person of interest in the case, but in multiple search warrant affidavits, they have characterized him as being unwilling to help investigators.

He talked with investigators the day his wife's body was found and later gave fingerprints under a court order, but has generally been uncooperative, they have said.

From the perspective of a defense attorney, Shanahan said that if he were representing Jason Young, he would urge him not to talk to investigators.
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Look`s like scout may have been spanked also,she has removed pictures posted on her board a couple days ago and having to remind her JDI to be a little more careful with their posts.
I suspect MR. Smith is doing the spanking and it`s about time.Something coming down............
:beer: [/*]

Also at your link: "A former federal prosecutor says that newly released search warrants in the 2006 murder case of Michelle Young show investigators seem to be building a case around her husband, Jason Young.

"Reading between the lines of the search warrant, he's their primary suspect," Kieran Shanahan said Tuesday."

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by shack


I think Lady justice may be getting ready to call some body but I don't think it is Jason Young. I think who lady Justice is after is who made the bogus Craigs list and convinced NCWanted to run with it. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes. [/*]And...I have a pretty good idea who that is.Maybe people will learn, playing follow the leader can some time be dangerous.

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Are you afraid to register as a member over there?

Just curious.

Because several of you JII's are posting here about what is posted over there.

IIRC, Coldwater has already warned everybody here about that.

Hope this helps. [/*]Information from all over the internet is posted here every day.Remember, we own what we write. No I would NEVER trust her with my personal information.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
NOPE, pictures wouldn`t be coming down and wrongful accusation disappearing if,Justice was calling Jason's name. But you already know that. Good try. [/*]

You might want to be more focused on the evidence in this case.

Has the video clip from Hampton Inn depicting Jason checking in wearing a light-colored shirt and 1 hr later his leaving with a dark shirt--been pulled from the public's view yet?

[shack]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Are you afraid to register as a member over there?

Just curious.

Because several of you JII's are posting here about what is posted over there.

IIRC, Coldwater has already warned everybody here about that.

Hope this helps. [/*]

Why would anyone want to register over there and give them access to your isp number? I may not be a genius but I'm smarter than that.

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Also at your link: "A former federal prosecutor says that newly released search warrants in the 2006 murder case of Michelle Young show investigators seem to be building a case around her husband, Jason Young.

"Reading between the lines of the search warrant, he's their primary suspect," Kieran Shanahan said Tuesday." [/*]
HE also stated"Shanahan said that if he were representing Jason Young, he would urge him not to talk to investigators."

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Also at your link: "A former federal prosecutor says that newly released search warrants in the 2006 murder case of Michelle Young show investigators seem to be building a case around her husband, Jason Young.

"Reading between the lines of the search warrant, he's their primary suspect," Kieran Shanahan said Tuesday." [/*]

"Reading between the lines...."

IIRC, that's kinda what Sheriff Harrison suggested when he commented upon the "relationship" between MM and Jason?

As well as "I wonder what the little girl saw" ? IMO

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


You might want to be more focused on the evidence in this case.

Has the video clip from Hampton Inn depicting Jason checking in wearing a light-colored shirt and 1 hr later his leaving with a dark shirt--been pulled from the public's view yet? [/*]Why would it need to be removed.Nothing wrong with showing it, unless they forgot to confiscate the luggage.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by shack


Why would anyone want to register over there and give them access to your isp number? I may not be a genius but I'm smarter than that. [/*]

I reckon some ppl might have good reasons to hide?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by bookie



Richard Ricci was LE's primary suspect in the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart. The police were wrong.

Richard Jewell was the police and FBI's primary suspect in the Atlanta park bombing. The FBI and police were wrong.

I have no doubt there are hundreds, if not thousands, of other cases where police were wrong about who their primary suspect's were. [/*]

:no: Michelle Young was not kidnapped. She was murdered in her own home. Can you reference a recent case wherein LE arrested the wrong killer in a murder case?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by bookie


If Jason isn't seen leaving the hotel or propping the door open with a rock that video is evidence of nothing. [/*]

If that is all they have, I would agree. If it is put together with other evidence that links him to the crime, it would be evidence. The video proves that he left his room but his key card was not used to regain entry.

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


"Reading between the lines...."

IIRC, that's kinda what Sheriff Harrison suggested when he commented upon the "relationship" between MM and Jason?

As well as "I wonder what the little girl saw" ? IMO [/*]
Yes reading between the lines is special, you get to read what you want to see.:patriot:

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE

Yes reading between the lines is special, you get to read what you want to see.:patriot: [/*]

That must be why you and others always request a link!

:D

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Barbara2


If that is all they have, I would agree. If it is put together with other evidence that links him to the crime, it would be evidence. The video proves that he left his room but his key card was not used to regain entry. [/*]The rock was found the next day by housekeeper. How many guest do you suppose left through that door checking out before housekeeping found the rock?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
The rock was found the next day by housekeeper. How many guest do you suppose left through that door checking out before housekeeping found the rock? [/*]

:lol: "...found the next day..."

At about 12:16am?

A few minutes after Jason checked out?

(try to read between the lines) :D

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
The rock was found the next day by housekeeper. How many guest do you suppose left through that door checking out before housekeeping found the rock? [/*]

I have no idea. I don't know that Jason put that rock there. It is a possibility. I do know that I have never been in a hotel where I have come across a rock propping open an outside door. Maybe just another one of those *coincidences*.

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I have no idea. I don't know that Jason put that rock there. It is a possibility. I do know that I have never been in a hotel where I have come across a rock propping open an outside door. Maybe just another one of those *coincidences*. [/*]
I don`t think LE has any idea who put it there.That makes the rock moot as for as evidence.Heck, there may be video of the person placing it in the door. LE does NOT have to give that information out.

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
Why would it need to be removed.Nothing wrong with showing it, unless they forgot to confiscate the luggage. [/*]
Ever hear of inductive logic? JMO

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE

I don`t think LE has any idea who put it there.That makes the rock moot as for as evidence.Heck, there may be video of the person placing it in the door. LE does NOT have to give that information out. [/*]

They could have evidence that Jason put the rock there. That still is not evidence that he killed his wife.

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by forpsystudent

Ever hear of inductive logic? JMO [/*]When it comes to confiscating his luggage LE better have more then inductive logic.

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by agathachristie



:lol: Are you kidding ? Waaay too heavy.
Nice to see you again, Miss Forpsy.
MOO Aggie [/*]

Nice to be seen Miss Aggie and, of course, it goes without saying that it is nice to see you too!

:seeya:

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
When it comes to confiscating his luggage LE better have more then inductive logic. [/*]


Well, they do. Probable cause is based on deductive logic.
I am not going to argue the merit of one vs the other.
JMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


You might want to be more focused on the evidence in this case.

Has the video clip from Hampton Inn depicting Jason checking in wearing a light-colored shirt and 1 hr later his leaving with a dark shirt--been pulled from the public's view yet? [/*]There is no video of JY leaving the hotel.

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by alter ego
There is no video of JY leaving the hotel. [/*]but,but,but...;)

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by alter ego
There is no video of JY leaving the hotel. [/*]

No video of JLY actually leaving the hotel and not returning, that we're aware of.

Nor is there any video depicting the killer during the actual time the murder occurred.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
Well,well, well......What happed to scare NC Wanted? Check out the trash has been removed and the picture of Michelle and JASON that had SUSPECT has been cleaned up.


http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/3401466/
Authorities have never called Jason Young a suspect or person of interest in the case, but in multiple search warrant affidavits, they have characterized him as being unwilling to help investigators.

He talked with investigators the day his wife's body was found and later gave fingerprints under a court order, but has generally been uncooperative, they have said.

From the perspective of a defense attorney, Shanahan said that if he were representing Jason Young, he would urge him not to talk to investigators.
.................................................. ...............................................
Look`s like scout may have been spanked also,she has removed pictures posted on her board a couple days ago and having to remind her JDI to be a little more careful with their posts.
I suspect MR. Smith is doing the spanking and it`s about time.Something coming down............
:beer: [/*]

Bravo! Sounds like some cease and desist letters have been received. Hope the recipients have deep pockets.

[shack]

Originally posted by Neo


:lol:

That is just so juvinile! I don't know one single person who would waste a minute of their time to do something like that.

But I know that those who feel Jason is innocent will never ever ever blame him for anything, it will always be someone elses fault. [/*]

You have got to be kidding. There have been people that have spent days driving the route JY drove to get to his meeting. There have been people that have driven to the homes of JY's family and friends and taken pictures. There have been people that have driven to where the Young's had an accident and took pictures. Knowing all of this you think making a bogus dating page juvenile? If doing all those other things wasn't juvenile I don't know why this would be. LE will find out who did it and I hope they are prosecuted. I have a feeling they know where the pictures came from. Shame on those that used the pictures that was sent to them of Cassie on vacation for such an evil project.

[shack]

Originally posted by bookie




I don't know who was responsible for the fake "Craigslist" ad but posters on a messageboard were juvenile enough to send a pizza with the word decomp on the box to the Anthony home a few nights ago. Some people are capable of anything when they get too involved in cases they follow.

ETA if I'm not mistaken people set up fake webpages pretending to be Scott Peterson before and after his arrest. Alter ego has a better memory than I do and might remember that. [/*]

Scroll down to where you see the never before seen photo of Cassie at age 4. I think the phony date photos came from the same source. IMO

http://www.ncwanted.com/apps/search/search/?qs=jason+young&jump=1

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by shack


Scroll down to where you see the never before seen photo of Cassie at age 4. I think the phony date photos came from the same source. IMO

http://www.ncwanted.com/apps/search/search/?qs=jason+young&jump=1 [/*]

I believe that photo was taken at Cassidy's preschool by the Fisher's when they visited her there. I may be wrong.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by shack

People thought that emails pointing out the errors of their ways wouldn't work. Maybe they don't like the word libel. [/*]

Oh Boy,

What a SAD day for all of us.

People that live in small towns can now rewrite history??

GOOD LUCK With That!


December 9th 2006:


Wake County Sheriff's Maj. Richard Johnson would not be more specific about the relationship between Money and Jason Young. "It's pretty self-explanatory," Johnson said Thursday. "The average person can read the search warrant and make up their own mind."

NOW, it should be also be changed "TO" Jason is NOT chumming on the Internet for dates with Michelle's daughter as bait?

I know my electricity was out for a bit, but where is the indignation?

JMO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by shack


Shame on those that used the pictures that was sent to them of Cassie on vacation for such an evil project. [/*]

This doesn't sound like something that a young man in college would say.

[shack]

Originally posted by annalyzer


This doesn't sound like something that a young man in college would say. [/*]

Why is every one picking on me for going to school? What is wrong with going to school and becoming interested in what is going on here? What does a young man going to college sound like?

[5swab5]

Originally posted by shack


You have got to be kidding. There have been people that have spent days driving the route JY drove to get to his meeting. There have been people that have driven to the homes of JY's family and friends and taken pictures. There have been people that have driven to where the Young's had an accident and took pictures. Knowing all of this you think making a bogus dating page juvenile? If doing all those other things wasn't juvenile I don't know why this would be. LE will find out who did it and I hope they are prosecuted. I have a feeling they know where the pictures came from. Shame on those that used the pictures that was sent to them of Cassie on vacation for such an evil project. [/*]


The PO'lice' aren't the only ones that have done it!


I am guity. I started out on Birchleaf...even tho it is out of my way...

Hillsville is a "slide", esp. at night. :biggrin:

Jason Lynn Young had time to spare, IMO!

MOO!

Swabby

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by shack


Why is every one picking on me for going to school? What is wrong with going to school and becoming interested in what is going on here? What does a young man going to college sound like? [/*]

Becoming interested? Sounded personal to me. Since when do young college students think it is "evil" to post photos on fake ads on the internet? People make up fake MySpace pages every day. When did you become so passionate about this case that you would make a remark such as that? Last week you said that you didn't care who murdered Michelle.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by shack


Scroll down to where you see the never before seen photo of Cassie at age 4. I think the phony date photos came from the same source. IMO

http://www.ncwanted.com/apps/search/search/?qs=jason+young&jump=1 [/*]

WHO would "click" on that?

Ya know what?

Cassidy is NOT up for grabS!

UNLESS Michelle's greiving(sic) husband puts up pics of Cassidy on the Internet, I THINK they should be DELETED!

JMO
SWABBY

[5swab5]

Originally posted by janesdean


It's quite possible that you'll be receiving a letter, all those posts about Meredith and Linda Fisher surely will catch up to you, despite your many nics on this board !! Keep LQQKING and pointing your finger at everyone else, and tell me how that's working for you, ok ? :lol: [/*]

Oh MAN,

The desperation is palatable isn't it?

Kinda' like in the old days, watching the gallows being built from the Jailhouse window.

Brevardians can try to RUIN as many careers as necessary. ((Gawd knows they have tried))

But, the FACTS don't change.

Jason Lynn Young is a BANE ON SOCIETY!

MOO

Swabby



I remember all of the fun times with my Dad...we have some GREAT pics. Why is Jason forcing Cassidy to hang over a cliff just for a photo OP? Obviously Cassidy was not comfortable!

[5swab5]

Originally posted by agathachristie


So where was he? Was he in his room? How can that be? He entered his room ONE TIME and was seen at the desk in different clothing at midnight. Where do you think he went? How come he didn't re-enter his room? [/*]

PERFECT!

In my world it is about 1:30AM.

BUT, I can go to bed happy. You summed it up SO! nicely.

MOO

Swabby

Jason has NO excuse. The ONLY reason Jason isn't behind bars right now, is because "some" people will go to any extent to confound the issue.

[stormie_raine]

I'm just so sad for Michelle, her little boy and their family that, this many months - almost two years later - still no arrests. :(

[5swab5]

Originally posted by janesdean


His DNA on the wall of his room is surrounded by the blood splatter of his wife, Michelle Young. Here is the Search Warrant excerpt:

One DNA swab was collected from an area sixteen inches from the floor and seven inches from the frame of the door to Jason Youngs closet. The area, which was in close proximity to the
victim and surrounded by what appeared to be blood splatter, was described as a possible print. Due to it's location and the reasonable belief that it was in a place where the assailant may have come in contact with the wall, it was sent to the State Bureau of Investigation.

The results of the testing were described as follows:

"The DNA profile obtained from swabbing from the sheet rock MATCHED the DNA profile obtained from the bloodstain of Jason Young"



http://www.wral.com/news/local/document/3395790/ [/*]



Hi JanesDean!


I have tried long and hard to figure it out. They hadn't been in that house for very long.


I figured it out tho...........


Jason fell over while attempting a feat that isn't even an Olympic Sport for Men.....he was dusting!

AND, that's

"ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW"!

MOO

Swabby

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by 5swab5




Hi JanesDean!


I have tried long and hard to figure it out. They hadn't been in that house for very long.


I figured it out tho...........


Jason fell over while attempting a feat that isn't even an Olympic Sport for Men.....he was dusting!

AND, that's

"ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW"!

MOO

Swabby [/*]


:lol:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
Well,well, well......What happed to scare NC Wanted? Check out the trash has been removed and the picture of Michelle and JASON that had SUSPECT has been cleaned up.


http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/3401466/
~snipped~
[/*]

HI_CYCLE, I don't think the picture in your link ever had Jason labeled "suspect". It's this photo, and the label is still there:

http://www.ncwanted.com/unsolved/image/2450482/

And the internet dating story is still there, too:

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/3408878/

I just think it hasn't been filed with the other Michelle Young stories yet. NCW doesn't appear to be scared to me.

JMO

[Lynne]

Originally posted by alter ego
There is no video of JY leaving the hotel. [/*]

According to this report, there is video of JY leaving the hotel:

"In addition, the warrants revealed that although Jason did indeed check into a hotel in Hillsville, Virginia the night of November 2, 2006, his keycard was only used to access his room on one occasion, six minutes after he checked into the hotel. Surveillance images, however, show Jason Young leaving the hotel later that night.

The clothes Jason was wearing when he left the hotel that night have not been recovered."

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/3408878/

The fact that the clothing that JY had changed into, and was wearing when he left the hotel, has not been recovered is what caught my attention.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by kingcole


I reckon you'll have to read the warrants for
yourself, Lynne. Them tabloid guys can't read.

==Kingcole [/*]

I've read the warrants for myself. They say that the security video captured Jason "...headed toward the side exit at the southern end of the hotel."

The warrants don't say whether or not Jason was seen leaving the hotel. One inference is as good as the other. AE, however, stated as fact that there is no video of Jason leaving the hotel. That can't be stated as fact unless one has seen the video.

JMO

[shack]

Originally posted by Lynne


According to this report, there is video of JY leaving the hotel:

"In addition, the warrants revealed that although Jason did indeed check into a hotel in Hillsville, Virginia the night of November 2, 2006, his keycard was only used to access his room on one occasion, six minutes after he checked into the hotel. Surveillance images, however, show Jason Young leaving the hotel later that night.

The clothes Jason was wearing when he left the hotel that night have not been recovered."

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/3408878/

The fact that the clothing that JY had changed into, and was wearing when he left the hotel, has not been recovered is what caught my attention. [/*]

Lynne, use your head. Jason checked in with luggage. He probably took a shower and changed after he got there. Why he was down stairs I don't know. Was he outside I don't know. Was he back in his room absolutely. How do I know ? His luggage wasn't there when the maid went in to clean. I think Jason went to bed got a good nights rest and went to his meeting. I don't think there is any proof he didn't.

[Lynne]

Upon re-reading the actual warrants, I see your point, kingcole.

Page 43 of the warrant states that Jason was recorded heading toward the side exit at the southern end of the hotel. The warrant does not say that the video captured him actually exiting the hotel.

What are your thoughts on the dark colored long sleeve pullover garment that Jason was wearing on videotape that has never been recovered?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by shack


Lynne, use your head. Jason checked in with luggage. He probably took a shower and changed after he got there. Why he was down stairs I don't know. Was he outside I don't know. Was he back in his room absolutely. How do I know ? His luggage wasn't there when the maid went in to clean. I think Jason went to bed got a good nights rest and went to his meeting. I don't think there is any proof he didn't. [/*]

Why would Jason take a shower and dress in street clothes to get a good night's rest?

[shack]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Why would Jason take a shower and dress in street clothes to get a good night's rest? [/*]Lots of men call sweat pants and a floppy shirt sleepwear. Perhaps he even took the shirt off once he got back to the room.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by shack
Lots of men call sweat pants and a floppy shirt sleepwear. Perhaps he even took the shirt off once he got back to the room. [/*]

What sweat pants? The warrant doesn't mention his pants that I can find.

And why did he go down to the front desk?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by kingcole


You're right, Cardinal. You read them.
Way to go. I "headed toward" Raleigh this morning
to get a copy of that video.

==Kingcole [/*]

Really? And what entitles you to a copy of the video?

[Lynne]

It is interesting reading the different points of view here. Thank you to all who have responded. I am looking forward to reading more responses.

Have a nice Labor Day everyone!

[shack]

Originally posted by Cardinal


What sweat pants? The warrant doesn't mention his pants that I can find.

And why did he go down to the front desk? [/*]

Can't you tell those are sweat pants in the video? You are right the warrant doesn't say why he was at the front desk. You can bet the cow on if it was something that helped them LE would have mentioned it. So we now know what ever he was doing at the front desk it was innocent.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by shack


Can't you tell those are sweat pants in the video? You are right the warrant doesn't say why he was at the front desk. You can bet the cow on if it was something that helped them LE would have mentioned it. So we now know what ever he was doing at the front desk it was innocent. [/*]

I haven't seen the video. And unless you can link it, you haven't either. I don't have a cow, but, if I did, I wouldn't risk it on betting that Jason's purpose at the front desk was necessary information to include in the pc in the SW.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by kingcole


If the police really wanted that shirt,
they would have asked for it. JMO, of course.

==Kingcole [/*]

They did ask for it. In the SW.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by kingcole


Oh, I'm not entitled. Just thought I would
"head toward" Raleigh and see what happened.
I reckon you can "head toward" the police and
ask them to show you the video. It's easy to
head toward something without getting there.

==Kingcole [/*]

Let me save you a 4 hour trip. LE isn't going to show you the video.

ETA: Maybe shack can send you a copy. :biggrin:

[shack]

Originally posted by agathachristie


He didn't re-enter his room. His key card was used ONE TIME six minutes after he checked in. [/*]

There is a long bar on motel room doors. You pull it around and it prevents the door from locking. It would be to LE advantage to get someone like you on a jury. Someone that never stayed in a motel and never used the bar to step out of a smoke or to see the front desk about something. But it would be a 1000 to 1 odd that anyone on the jury never used that bar .

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by shack


There is a long bar on motel room doors. You pull it around and it prevents the door from locking. It would be to LE advantage to get someone like you on a jury. Someone that never stayed in a motel and never used the bar to step out of a smoke or to see the front desk about something. But it would be a 1000 to 1 odd that anyone on the jury never used that bar . [/*]

If you're talking about the security latch, I've used it to step outside my room for a moment. To load and unload the car when I've stayed in a hotel where my car was parked outside my room.

But if I were on the jury, I wouldn't equate that with using it to keep my door ajar while I went to the hotel lobby 2 floors down from my room. I'm not that trusting.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by kingcole


No, they didn't. In a police state, cops
don't ask: they demand.
-------------

Detective: Ma'am, I have a search warrant
here signed by a judge. Would you mind
helping us find these things?

Ma'am: Certainly. Would you like a cup
of coffee while we look?

Detective: Yes, thank you. We'd like to see
a dark-colored shirt with a stripe across the chest.
Will you find it for us?
--------------------

Do you think the cops in a police state
acted like this? I don't.

==Kingcole [/*]

Since NC is not a police state, how LE in a police state acts is not relevant to this case, imo.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by kingcole


Try standing up for your rights sometime, Cardinal.
You'll see what state you're living in.

==Kingcole [/*]

I have. My statement stands.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by kingcole


Next time you stay in a motel, check the
lobby exit doors. Chances are you'll find
a prop of some kind outside at least one
of the doors.

==Kingcole [/*]

Jason wasn't seen heading toward the lobby exit door.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by kingcole


Well, Cardinal, you haven't answered my question.
But that's okay. Maybe you will describe for me
how you think the search was conducted. My
description obviously is a fantasy.

==Kingcole [/*]

I think the search was conducted in accordance with the laws of the state of NC.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by kingcole


Well, sorta. I reckon you have no imagination.
Anyway, the law gives the police
the power to demand. They don't have to ask.
A police state.

This circles us back to my original statement:
The police haven't asked for the shirt....at least,
so far as I have heard. Have you heard differently?

==Kingcole [/*]

Oh, I have plenty of imagination, when something interests me. Just ask the posters here who heard my Kim-Young-did-it theory. The hypothetical dialogue between LE and Mrs. Young during the execution of the SWs doesn't interest me at all.

And the law doesn't give the police the power to demand. That power rests with the judicial branch - a SW has to be signed by a judge.

How would the police have "asked for" the shirt, without a SW? Is Jason answering them?

JMO

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by kingcole


Try standing up for your rights sometime, Cardinal.
You'll see what state you're living in.

==Kingcole [/*]

Well, I didn't know that those "nice" plastic license plate covers were against the law. Why do they sell them in the store if it's against the law?

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I think the search was conducted in accordance with the laws of the state of NC. [/*]So you would agree if his luggage was confiscated it would be identified on the SW under items taken?

[Sparrow]

Originally posted by shack
Lots of men call sweat pants and a floppy shirt sleepwear. Perhaps he even took the shirt off once he got back to the room. [/*]

No man would use the words "floppy" and "sleepwear" in the same sentence.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
So you would agree if his luggage was confiscated it would be identified on the SW under items taken? [/*]

There has been some question about that. I'm not sure they list the contents of the car separate from the car. I don't believe they listed purses either. Luggage might be considered along with the general search warrant for the car.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
So you would agree if his luggage was confiscated it would be identified on the SW under items taken? [/*]

If it were "seized", yes. If it were only searched and returned to the owner(s), no.

JMO

[shack]

Originally posted by Sparrow


No man would use the words "floppy" and "sleepwear" in the same sentence. [/*]

I just did. Touche

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Sparrow


No man would use the words "floppy" and "sleepwear" in the same sentence. [/*]

Not true. IIRC, Carson Kressley did so on Oprah.

JMO

[Sparrow]

Originally posted by shack


I just did. Touche [/*]

Exactly my point.

[Sparrow]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Not true. IIRC, Carson Kressley did so on Oprah.

JMO [/*]

I know who Oprah is. I've never heard of Carson Kressley.

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Cardinal


If it were "seized", yes. If it were only searched and returned to the owner(s), no.

JMO [/*]Do you believe it was searched and returned to owner? I just can`t get past this luggage since the video from motel.Such a big deal is made about the dark colored shirt. I Know that LE had no record of what Jason was wearing the night of the murder because they had not seen the video, why,why would they not keep the luggage.It just does NOT make sense Damn, I hate when something stays on my mind like this.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
Do you believe it was searched and returned to owner? I just can`t get past this luggage since the video from motel.Such a big deal is made about the dark colored shirt. I Know that LE had no record of what Jason was wearing the night of the murder because they had not seen the video, why,why would they not keep the luggage.It just does NOT make sense Damn, I hate when something stays on my mind like this. [/*]

I think that's a reasonable possibility. That SW was issued on 11/4/06; it wasn't returned to the CSC until 1/5/07. That's long after they had the video of Jason, imo. Once they had determined that the shirt wasn't in the luggage, they had no reason to keep it.

JMO

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Sparrow


No man would use the words "floppy" and "sleepwear" in the same sentence. [/*]That is a ridiculous statement to make.:rolleyes:

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I think that's a reasonable possibility. That SW was issued on 11/4/06; it wasn't returned to the CSC until 1/5/07. That's long after they had the video of Jason, imo. Once they had determined that the shirt wasn't in the luggage, they had no reason to keep it.

JMO [/*]Card, you even said had the luggage had been seized it would be listed as seized. Oh well, I guess I will have continue to wait:confused:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
Card, you even said had the luggage had been seized it would be listed as seized. Oh well, I guess I will have continue to wait:confused: [/*]

Maybe it's listed as seized on an inventory for a SW we haven't seen yet. We know there's at least one sealed. Maybe there's another?

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Maybe it's listed as seized on an inventory for a SW we haven't seen yet. We know there's at least one sealed. Maybe there's another? [/*]I hope so.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by agathachristie


~snipped~

There has been NO trashing on this board today. Don't ruin it.

MOO Aggie [/*]

I agree. Please, HC....tempting as it may be. :)

[Cardinal]

Sorry, CW. I guess I just have a problem with unbridled arrogance.

Goodnight, everyone. :seeya:

[shack]

Originally posted by Sparrow


I know who Oprah is. I've never heard of Carson Kressley. [/*]
Nor have I. But before you say it buddy I'm not a girly girl. I am a guy. I have floppy shirts and floppy shoes.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Neo


Well that just brought the thread to a grinding halt!
:biggrin: [/*]

Shack said the same thing when the story first came out.

[Lynne]

Allrighty, then.

Cut with the moaning and complaining. Sheesh.

The interest in justice for Michelle and Rylan is not going away.

All input is valuable.

[Lynne]

I made it clear in my opening that I am one who believes that Jason is guilty of murdering his wife, Michelle. (and their baby, which maybe wasn't made as clear)

The murder of Michelle Young has brought us all together---some thinking Jason is the perpetrator----some thinking that Jason could not have committed this heinous act.

We will be discussing this for a long time.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by kingcole

==============

Of course we do. We know Jason's innocent. You don't. Once you start there, you've got to move on to who is guilty.

==Kingcole [/*]

And the reason LE hasn't moved on is because?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by kingcole

==============

Of course we do. We know Jason's innocent. You don't. Once you start there, you've got to move on to who is guilty.

==Kingcole [/*]

How do you know? Is it because he told you? Because you can't believe he could have done this? Or do you have actual evidence that he couldn't possibly have done this? If the last one is the case, why would Jason not want to share this with the investigators?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by annalyzer


And the reason LE hasn't moved on is because? [/*]

LE is now refusing comment and directing media inquiries to the DA. That's an excellent sign this case has moved forward.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


How do you know? Is it because he told you? Because you can't believe he could have done this? Or do you have actual evidence that he couldn't possibly have done this? If the last one is the case, why would Jason not want to share this with the investigators? [/*]

More likely, LE has shared information about their investigation with Jason.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Celiarun


LE is now refusing comment and directing media inquiries to the DA. That's an excellent sign this case has moved forward. [/*]

I was asking why is LE not moving on to someone else.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by agathachristie


I agree. Budweiser posted the same info earlier this evening.

MOO Aggie [/*]

Shack posted the same thing the other day.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by annalyzer


I was asking why is LE not moving on to someone else. [/*]

I think LE moved on to someone else months ago and the sheriff's office has now handed it over to prosecutors.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Neo


So, should we expect search warrants directed as someone other than JY? [/*]

I expect sealed search warrants directed at someone other than Jason.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


That would not surprise me. But, I bet they were used to clear that “someone”. [/*]

Dream on. If a search warrant turns up evidence that clears someone, there is no legal justification for sealing the search warrant and keeping it from the public. :rolleyes:

[shack]

Originally posted by annalyzer


I was asking why is LE not moving on to someone else. [/*]

My take on it is LE has concluded their investigation. They have given their findings to the DA. Will the DA indict JY or is there someone else in their sights? Until the DA makes a move I thing we are all just guessing. With what we know from warrants I don't think the DA has a chance of winning a case against JY. We know for a fact he was in motel at 12;00 on the night of the murder. No one has been able to put him in Raleigh the night of the murder. His gas purchases bear out that he didn't drive the extra miles it would take to get to Raleigh and back. The fact that 2 different shoe prints are in blood in the bedroom and 1 is 2 sizes to small for JY would be a big problem . The fact that none of the missing things from the house have been found in JY's possession . The fact that LE waited 15 months to search for the missing shirt and the items missing from the house doesn't look good. If I am understanding right LE have just in Feb. taken the bedroom furniture to look for trace evidence. Furniture that has been dismantled and taken to storage months ago. I would think any evidence on it would have been contaminated. So my take on it is unless LE has a smoking gun as they say then this case will never see the inside of a court room. IMO

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Celiarun


More likely, LE has shared information about their investigation with Jason. [/*]

I agree! For instance:

1. LE/CSI had "shared" some info with Jason (and his family) when luminol residue remained on the carpet after CSI released the house to Jason (who btw never returned to the house, but his family members did). And, Jason's family later shared their own individual CSI with the public; thank you! LOL.

2. LE/DA have "shared" a snippet portion of some of the search warrants, etc., the infamous hotel surveillance video with Jason and his family AND the public. (LE merely threw in the "door in the rock" for the public's entertainment)!! LOL.

3. LE/DA (via NCWanted media outlet) have "shared" their awareness of certain internet fodder, including certain public domain vacation photos with Jason and his family AND the public. LOL

In light of the above, I think LE/DA has a great sense of humor that only a killer would truly appreciate!!

:patriot: IMO!!

[shack]

Originally posted by bookie



Surrounded by, not covering with. It's very possible the dna is sweat from him tounching the wall as he leaned down to pick something up from his closet and not related to the crime at all. [/*]

It was by his closet door. If he pulled off a shirt and hung it up his skin cells could have floated on the wall. I bet his DNA would be on just about every inch of that wall next to his closet and LE know this. They are not the dumb keystone cops variety. They know a conviction could never be gotten on that kind of evidence. when the 07-05-07 warrant is open maybe some more questions will be answered. If that warrant points to someone else , like maybe they found some of the missing thing s somewhere then i think we will see an indictment before that warrant is unsealed.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Celiarun


I think LE moved on to someone else months ago and the sheriff's office has now handed it over to prosecutors. [/*]

Nope! Because Jason was uncooperative (he did not volunteer for the NTO, it was court ordered), LE had no choice but to build a case around him.

At this time, all questions and comments are directed to the DA's office. In the past, Rebecca Holt has been known to review a case for up to 3 months before moving forward.

Good luck with your "someone else" theory! IMO

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by shack


It was by his closet door. If he pulled off a shirt and hung it up his skin cells could have floated on the wall. I bet his DNA would be on just about every inch of that wall next to his closet and LE know this. They are not the dumb keystone cops variety. They know a conviction could never be gotten on that kind of evidence. when the 07-05-07 warrant is open maybe some more questions will be answered. If that warrant points to someone else , like maybe they found some of the missing thing s somewhere then i think we will see an indictment before that warrant is unsealed. [/*]

Considering Pat Young gave them the list of missing things in May 2007 and LE executed a s/w July, 2007 that is now sealed, I think it's likely that they found something they were looking for in July such as the new wallet. That wallet is the only item on their list that Pat told them about that was not searched for in Feb. '08.

[Cardinal]

I sense some deep-seated frustration on the part of some posters, that the recently unsealed SWs didn't seem to trigger an epiphany among the JIIs. Sadly, it seems that some posters are entirely too personally vested in this case.

Like it or not, the JIIs have mounted some pretty strong arguments regarding the pc in those SWs. I hope the DAs office is paying attention - it'll give them a really good idea of what they're up against, if they decide to pursue an indictment against Jason Young.

JMO

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Cardinal
I sense some deep-seated frustration on the part of some posters, that the recently unsealed SWs didn't seem to trigger an epiphany among the JIIs. Sadly, it seems that some posters are entirely too personally vested in this case.

Like it or not, the JIIs have mounted some pretty strong arguments regarding the pc in those SWs. I hope the DAs office is paying attention - it'll give them a really good idea of what they're up against, if they decide to pursue an indictment against Jason Young.

JMO [/*]

What "strong arguments" would those be? I've not seen them.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by kingcole

==========

I've heard that's why posters are here, Cardinal.
They let the cops know that some things can
to explained.

==Kingcole [/*]

Speaking of too personally vested..........

There's a poster who has frequented most of the Michelle Young boards, claiming to be a friend of the family. Unfortunately, his idea of helping the family has been to twist the truth, personally attack posters both publicly and privately, and turn the quest for justice for Michelle Young into a farce. Sad, don't you think?

JMO

[5swab5]

Originally posted by kingcole

==========

I've heard that's why posters are here, Cardinal.
They let the cops know that some things can
to explained.

==Kingcole [/*]

Nah,

Sure...one by one.

Trying explain AWAY 100 little coincidences to a jury.

Won't fly.

"Guilty as Charged!"

IMO

Swabby

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Speaking of too personally vested..........

There's a poster who has frequented most of the Michelle Young boards, claiming to be a friend of the family. Unfortunately, his idea of helping the family has been to twist the truth, personally attack posters both publicly and privately, and turn the quest for justice for Michelle Young into a farce. Sad, don't you think?

JMO [/*]

Are you talking about june? I don't think you can believe everything that he/she says. JMO.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Are you talking about june? I don't think you can believe everything that he/she says. JMO. [/*]

No, I'm not talking about June.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Cardinal


No, I'm not talking about June. [/*]

So it sounds like there might be more than one, huh?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Mrs. Young didn't say that the wallet was missing. According to the SWs, she says that $500 cash that was IN a new wallet was missing. Unless the bills were marked, how would they search for them? [/*]

The SW didn't say the wallet wasn't missing, either. It did not quote Mrs. Young. The search warrant said: "Mrs. Young stated that she had a list of items that were missing from the crime scene." The s/w purposefully listed the money separately from the wallet and phrased it the way they did.

The s/w goes on to say: "As of this time these items have not been recovered or accounted for." Yet neither the $500 or the wallet was on the list of items they were looking for. That's significant, imvho.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by lonetraveler


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
A partial print (surrounded by blood splatter), not covered with blood splatter........................................th at usually means that whatever made the print was present when the blood splattered, and blocked the blood from contacting the surface behind the partial print. If the partial print was made after the blood splattered, blood would be under it. If the partial print was made before the blood splattered, blood would have covered it during the splatter. Think again. [/*]


Hi Traveler,

Happy Labor Day!

You did an excellent job!

I doubt that the DA will have any trouble putting any juror's questions to bed either.

MOO

Swabby

[shack]

Originally posted by bookie



Surrounded by, not covering with. It's very possible the dna is sweat from him tounching the wall as he leaned down to pick something up from his closet and not related to the crime at all. [/*]

Its very possible there wasn't any blood there at all. If you read the warrant carefully you will see all the little things LE used to get warrants.
What it says is "what appeared to be blood splatter". It never clarified that it was blood. Remember Mr. Young's car it also appeared to have blood on it in 2 different places. Did his car have blood on it ? Was there any blood surrounding the print ? No one here knows because LE has never said.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by kingcole


Okay, thinking again.
1. How thick was the splatter? Don't know.
2. How large was the print? Don't know.
3. Is it possible the splatter just missed the print?
---I reckon so.

==Kingcole [/*]

I reckon NOT!

I also reckon that a wishin' & a hopin' ain't gonna' make it so either.

What was the old adage, if "wishes were horses, beggars would ride?"


My Opinion As Always
Swabby

[5swab5]

ALWAYS FOLLOW THE MONEY:




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§ 50‑16.3A. Alimony.

(a) Entitlement. – In an action brought pursuant to Chapter 50 of the General Statutes, either party may move for alimony. The court shall award alimony to the dependent spouse upon a finding that one spouse is a dependent spouse, that the other spouse is a supporting spouse, and that an award of alimony is equitable after considering all relevant factors, including those set out in subsection (*) of this section. If the court finds that the dependent spouse participated in an act of illicit sexual behavior, as defined in G.S. 50‑16.1A(3)a., during the marriage and prior to or on the date of separation, the court shall not award alimony. If the court finds that the supporting spouse participated in an act of illicit sexual behavior, as defined in G.S. 50‑16.1A(3)a., during the marriage and prior to or on the date of separation, then the court shall order that alimony be paid to a dependent spouse. If the court finds that the dependent and the supporting spouse each participated in an act of illicit sexual behavior during the marriage and prior to or on the date of separation, then alimony shall be denied or awarded in the discretion of the court after consideration of all of the circumstances. Any act of illicit sexual behavior by either party that has been condoned by the other party shall not be considered by the court.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_50/GS_50-16.3A.html