Michelle Young 8/27/08

[bookie]

Time for a new thread.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by bookie
Time for a new thread. [/*]

Thank you, bookie.

Can you please bring my last post over?

I contacted CW to close the other thread.

Kat

[bookie]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Thank you, bookie.

Can you please bring my last post over?

I contacted CW to close the other thread.

Kat [/*]


Here you go Kat.


Kat4Eagles
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Registered: Jun 2006
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Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


So, the cops and the media are conspiring against Jason? They are both just making stuff up? [/*]
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I don't think that at all, but they made a lot of mistakes, some big ones too.

They should have personally been the ones to tell Jason about Michelle's death, they should have not taken so long to bring Jason in for blood and DNA samples, they should have found the tooth, did the sexual assault exam.

Which one of those mistakes do you think will be the most costly?

Kat

I think the sexual assault exam, well the lack of, will be a costly mistake. That should have been the first thing done.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by bookie



Here you go Kat.


Kat4Eagles
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Registered: Jun 2006
Location: Philly
Posts: 4387

quote:
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Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


So, the cops and the media are conspiring against Jason? They are both just making stuff up? [/*]
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I don't think that at all, but they made a lot of mistakes, some big ones too.

They should have personally been the ones to tell Jason about Michelle's death, they should have not taken so long to bring Jason in for blood and DNA samples, they should have found the tooth, did the sexual assault exam.

Which one of those mistakes do you think will be the most costly?

Kat

I think the sexual assault exam, well the lack of, will be a costly mistake. That should have been the first thing done. [/*]


Thank you.

:)
Kat

[Dom]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Thank you.

:)
Kat [/*]

again, pls. explain the slim shady comment...thank you in advance!

i am looking and want to hear comments about shoes...does anyone have a database to share? i am looking at few and jahve questions....thanks to all!

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by bookie



Here you go Kat.


Kat4Eagles
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Registered: Jun 2006
Location: Philly
Posts: 4387

quote:
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Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


So, the cops and the media are conspiring against Jason? They are both just making stuff up? [/*]
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I don't think that at all, but they made a lot of mistakes, some big ones too.

They should have personally been the ones to tell Jason about Michelle's death, they should have not taken so long to bring Jason in for blood and DNA samples, they should have found the tooth, did the sexual assault exam.

Which one of those mistakes do you think will be the most costly?

Kat

I think the sexual assault exam, well the lack of, will be a costly mistake. That should have been the first thing done. [/*]

I don't know that anything other than the lack of the rape kit is going to be a problem if someone else is arrested. For this to be death penalty eligible, they have to have an additional crime tied to the murder. That obstacle has been overcome because there was money and jewelry taken. They can't prosecute on a sexual assault charge but the robbery/murder will lead the DA to the same outcome, imvho.

[im4justice]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC
Kat4Eagles
Senior Member

Registered: Jun 2006
Location: Philly
Posts: 4387


quote:Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


So, the cops and the media are conspiring against Jason? They are both just making stuff up? [/*]


"

I don't think that at all, but they made a lot of mistakes, some big ones too.

They should have personally been the ones to tell Jason about Michelle's death, they should have not taken so long to bring Jason in for blood and DNA samples, they should have found the tooth, did the sexual assault exam.

Which one of those mistakes do you think will be the most costly?

Kat
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When I asked the question I was referring to shacks' post.

However, I don't think cops (or the media) do autopsies.

"they should have not taken so long to bring Jason in for blood and DNA samples" Why, it wasn't going to change. His blood and DNA are going to be the same.

Wasn't the NTO done within a week?

BTW Check out this story

http://azstarnet.com/sn/metro/213879.php

This guy wore the wrong size shoes (he is a size 13 1/2 and he wore an 8 1/2) when he killed his wife. He has been convicted. [/*]

My, my, my veeerrrryy interesting!

[bookie]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC
Kat4Eagles
Senior Member

Registered: Jun 2006
Location: Philly
Posts: 4387


quote:Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


So, the cops and the media are conspiring against Jason? They are both just making stuff up? [/*]


"

I don't think that at all, but they made a lot of mistakes, some big ones too.

They should have personally been the ones to tell Jason about Michelle's death, they should have not taken so long to bring Jason in for blood and DNA samples, they should have found the tooth, did the sexual assault exam.

Which one of those mistakes do you think will be the most costly?

Kat
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When I asked the question I was referring to shacks' post.

However, I don't think cops (or the media) do autopsies.

"they should have not taken so long to bring Jason in for blood and DNA samples" Why, it wasn't going to change. His blood and DNA are going to be the same.

Wasn't the NTO done within a week?

BTW Check out this story

http://azstarnet.com/sn/metro/213879.php

This guy wore the wrong size shoes (he is a size 13 1/2 and he wore an 8 1/2) when he killed his wife. He has been convicted. [/*]


He wore BOTH shoes, not one. His wife's blood was also found in hs roommates truck. Michelle's blood wasn't found in Jason's vehicle.

[JHP]

Originally posted by bookie



He wore BOTH shoes, not one. His wife's blood was also found in hs roommates truck. Michelle's blood wasn't found in Jason's vehicle. [/*]


So?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by im4justice


My, my, my veeerrrryy interesting! [/*]



That was a good story, that guy is scary looking.
Thank you for the link.
Kat

[enigma™]

quote:
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Originally posted by Neo
Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I don't understand how you think I would know who killed Michelle.

snipped for more irrelevant babble

IMO
JMO

Kat
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I think Coldwater would agree, calling another poster's post "irrelevant babble" is not acceptable here.
Hope that helps!
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I swear CW posted that calling someone an idiot was OK, so where's the harm in calling a non-response "irrelevant babble"? Idiot seems so much harsher.

[bookie]

Originally posted by JHP



So? [/*]


So that is just 2 of the huge differences in the cases. A divorce was filed in that one, the marital assets had been divided and a custody battle was involved. None of those are involved in this case.

The husband in that case was linked to his dead wife by her blood being found in a truck he had access to. There was motive since he felt she was trying to take his kids away from him. And from the little that report covers there was evidence showing only 1 suspect.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by bookie



He wore BOTH shoes, not one. His wife's blood was also found in hs roommates truck. Michelle's blood wasn't found in Jason's vehicle. [/*]

Jason could be arrested tomorrow but the basis won't be because a grand jury accepted the absurd theory that Jason wore his own shoe AND another shoe two sizes too small.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC

(snipped)


BTW Check out this story

http://azstarnet.com/sn/metro/213879.php

This guy wore the wrong size shoes (he is a size 13 1/2 and he wore an 8 1/2) when he killed his wife. He has been convicted. [/*]

Thanks BSNBREVARDNC!

There goes that "impossible theory" right out the window.

MOO

Swabby

[bookie]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


You're right, Jason had mastered the art of bathing. [/*]


He also mastered the art of leaving NO blood in the bathroom drains? Or do you think the police just didn't bother to check that out also?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by enigma™
quote:
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Originally posted by Neo
Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I don't understand how you think I would know who killed Michelle.

snipped for more irrelevant babble

IMO
JMO

Kat
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I think Coldwater would agree, calling another poster's post "irrelevant babble" is not acceptable here.
Hope that helps!
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I swear CW posted that calling someone an idiot was OK, so where's the harm in calling a non-response "irrelevant babble"? Idiot seems so much harsher. [/*]

I don't recall CW ever condoning name-calling of any kind or the ridiculing of other posters the way you've ridiculed Kat for the last several hours. JMVHO

[bookie]

Originally posted by Neo


Jason may have worn both. We don't know. [/*]


Your right, we don't know. It's also possible that 2 different suspects wearing 2 different type/sized shoes killed Michelle.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


You're right, Jason had mastered the art of bathing. [/*]

How many shoes do you think he changed into to pull off this murder? The tiniest trace could've been detected on his floorboard or gas pedal, etc. If he left bloody footprints with two different shoes then do you think he changed shoes a third time?

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Jason could be arrested tomorrow but the basis won't be because a grand jury accepted the absurd theory that Jason wore his own shoe AND another shoe two sizes too small. [/*]

Why not?

Many on this board believe that it is possible.

Anytime you have a premeditated murder, you cannot discount ANY lengths to which the perpetrator might go, to avoid detection.

MOO

Swabby

[im4justice]

Originally posted by bookie



So that is just 2 of the huge differences in the cases. A divorce was filed in that one, the marital assets had been divided and a custody battle was involved. None of those are involved in this case.

The husband in that case was linked to his dead wife by her blood being found in a truck he had access to. There was motive since he felt she was trying to take his kids away from him. And from the little that report covers there was evidence showing only 1 suspect. [/*]
I don't believe the intent was to critique the entire case The point was to show that a smaller sized shoe worn while commiting a crime is not impossible IMO

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Celiarun

I don't recall CW ever condoning name-calling of any kind or the ridiculing of other posters the way you've ridiculed Kat for the last several hours. JMVHO

It is your perception that I ridiculed. I was not ridiculing anyone. I was asking for an answer. Hope this helps.

[bookie]

Originally posted by im4justice

I don't believe the intent was to critique the entire case The point was to show that a smaller sized shoe worn while commiting a crime is not impossible IMO [/*]


The problem is that we don't know someone wore a smaller shoe. Someone could have worn a bigger shoe while killing Michelle.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Neo
Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I don't understand how you think I would know who killed Michelle.

snipped for more irrelevant babble

IMO
JMO

Kat

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I think Coldwater would agree, calling another poster's post "irrelevant babble" is not acceptable here.

Lets try to keep comments like these off the board.

Hope that helps! [/*]



Thank you, Neo,

I don't think it was so much babble, as it was, I didn't give the answer that they "wanted".


Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by bookie



The problem is that we don't know someone wore a smaller shoe. Someone could have worn a bigger shoe while killing Michelle. [/*]

and someone certainly could have picked up Jason's shoe and left a print in order to implicate him.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Neo

Ahhh!! You are right!!!

Carry on!

(The way it was snipped looks as though the other poster was calling your post irrelevant babble. I just want to make sure the rules apply fairly to ALL)

Thanks. The way I remember CW's post, it went something like this: "... if I spent all day deleting posts where people are calling others idiots..." There was more and that is not verbatim, but she did say something to that effect. I didn't call anyone an idiot, and we have been instructed to snip posts to address the relevant part. I'm just doing what I can to save bandwidth. Now back to the case.

Will the shoes ever be found? Have they been found and LE is keeping that tidbit from the general public?

[Lindsey]

Brought from the old thread ...

Originally posted by annalyzer


How do you know what their conversation consisted of before Jason hung up? [/*]

Good point. And how do we really know that Jason hung up? What if the call just got dropped and both parties thought the other party had hung up? It has happened to me and especially on calls from NC.

Speaking of phone calls, who had called Michelle on the morning of Nov 3rd and left messages on the answering machine? One warrant listed answering machine with pending messages. Did Jason call and leave a message? If so, did they do a voice stress test on his message?

[JHP]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Why not?

Many on this board believe that it is possible.

Anytime you have a premeditated murder, you cannot discount ANY lengths to which the perpetrator might go, to avoid detection.

MOO

Swabby [/*]

Exactly. And I know if I ever kill someone to wear 2 different shoe sizes. I'll even go the extra mile and make sure it's the same foot.

JMO

[5swab5]

Originally posted by bookie



He also mastered the art of leaving NO blood in the bathroom drains? Or do you think the police just didn't bother to check that out also? [/*]

You have no way of knowing that, nobody does.

Thankfully, LE and the DA's Office have let as little as possible out about the facts in this case.

I want the conviction preserved!

MOO

Swabby

I'm so sure that they went to one of the bloodiest crime scenes they had EVER seen, with evidence of a shower having taken place, and didn't examine the tub traps, NOT!

Don't forget that "special machine" that was in the early News reports. YEP, I am convinced that they have MUCH more than we are privy to, as they should.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by enigma™


Thanks. The way I remember CW's post, it went something like this: "... if I spent all day deleting posts where people are calling others idiots..." There was more and that is not verbatim, but she did say something to that effect. I didn't call anyone an idiot, and we have been instructed to snip posts to address the relevant part. I'm just doing what I can to save bandwidth. Now back to the case.

Will the shoes ever be found? Have they been found and LE is keeping that tidbit from the general public? [/*]

iirc, nowhere in that post did CW even imply that calling another poster an idiot was acceptable. You didn't just snip Kat's post, you called her post "irrelevant babble.":no:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Lindsey
Brought from the old thread ...



Good point. And how do we really know that Jason hung up? What if the call just got dropped and both parties thought the other party had hung up? It has happened to me and especially on calls from NC.

Speaking of phone calls, who had called Michelle on the morning of Nov 3rd and left messages on the answering machine? One warrant listed answering machine with pending messages. Did Jason call and leave a message? If so, did they do a voice stress test on his message? [/*]


Boy, have you been missed.

Good question!!

I doubt Jason did one of those "Hi Beautiful, just me, Scott messages.!!

:)
Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Lindsey
Brought from the old thread ...



Good point. And how do we really know that Jason hung up? What if the call just got dropped and both parties thought the other party had hung up? It has happened to me and especially on calls from NC.

Speaking of phone calls, who had called Michelle on the morning of Nov 3rd and left messages on the answering machine? One warrant listed answering machine with pending messages. Did Jason call and leave a message? If so, did they do a voice stress test on his message? [/*]

you raise an interesting point. I wonder if LE did a voice stress test on Meredith Fisher's 911 call? I think they probably would do that.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by JHP


Exactly. And I know if I ever kill someone to wear 2 different shoe sizes. I'll even go the extra mile and make sure it's the same foot.

JMO [/*]

Myself!

Lordy, I don't want anything to ever happen to my husband. I won't even let him climb a 4' ladder without a sky hook.

LE would have a field day with my searches on the Internet.

Why doesn't anyone want to talk about the jewelry that Pat Young "reported" missing that was looked for in that last 3 search warrants in and around areas that Jason frequented?

MOO

Swabby

[bookie]

Originally posted by 5swab5


You have no way of knowing that, nobody does.

Thankfully, LE and the DA's Office have let as little as possible out about the facts in this case.

I want the conviction preserved!

MOO

Swabby

I'm so sure that they went to one of the bloodiest crime scenes they had EVER seen, with evidence of a shower having taken place, and didn't examine the tub traps, NOT!

Don't forget that "special machine" that was in the early News reports. YEP, I am convinced that they have MUCH more than we are privy to, as they should. [/*]

Did you miss the question marks at the end of both sentences? They should have indicated to you that questions were being asked.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Celiarun


you raise an interesting point. I wonder if LE did a voice stress test on Meredith Fisher's 911 call? I think they probably would do that. [/*]

What difference would it make?

IF Meredith had anything to do with Michelle's murder, there is NO way that she would have gone to that house at Jason's request. PERIOD!

MOO

Swabby

[enigma™]

Originally posted by 5swab5

What difference would it make?

IF Meredith had anything to do with Michelle's murder, there is NO way that she would have gone to that house at Jason's request. PERIOD!

MOO

Swabby

I agree. And, it would be no wonder if Meredith's emergency call showed signs of stress. She found her sister bludgeoned to death and her niece walking around in the aftermath.

(sorry to answer it in your post, but I'm tired of being berated by the JII crowd)

[5swab5]

Originally posted by bookie


Did you miss the question marks at the end of both sentences? They should have indicated to you that questions were being asked. [/*]

Of course I didn't. I hope I answered them.

MOO

Swabby

[alter ego]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC
Kat4Eagles
Senior Member

Registered: Jun 2006
Location: Philly
Posts: 4387


quote:Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


So, the cops and the media are conspiring against Jason? They are both just making stuff up? [/*]


"

I don't think that at all, but they made a lot of mistakes, some big ones too.

They should have personally been the ones to tell Jason about Michelle's death, they should have not taken so long to bring Jason in for blood and DNA samples, they should have found the tooth, did the sexual assault exam.

Which one of those mistakes do you think will be the most costly?

Kat
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When I asked the question I was referring to shacks' post.

However, I don't think cops (or the media) do autopsies.

"they should have not taken so long to bring Jason in for blood and DNA samples" Why, it wasn't going to change. His blood and DNA are going to be the same.

Wasn't the NTO done within a week?

BTW Check out this story

http://azstarnet.com/sn/metro/213879.php

This guy wore the wrong size shoes (he is a size 13 1/2 and he wore an 8 1/2) when he killed his wife. He has been convicted. [/*]

Green [the prosecutor]said at trial that the shoe prints could be unrelated to the murder or that Knight could have worn smaller shoes.
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/blogs/index.php?blog=34&m=20080204

oops

[bookie]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Of course I didn't. I hope I answered them.

MOO

Swabby [/*]


You being "sure" or convinced" that the police checked doesn't answer the questions. Those are assumptions.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by 5swab5


What difference would it make?

IF Meredith had anything to do with Michelle's murder, there is NO way that she would have gone to that house at Jason's request. PERIOD!

MOO

Swabby [/*]Sorry, but there is no way you can know that.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Jason could be arrested tomorrow but the basis won't be because a grand jury accepted the absurd theory that Jason wore his own shoe AND another shoe two sizes too small. [/*]


:biggrin:


Kat

[enigma™]

Originally posted by onederwomyn
About the different size shoes...it is really not that hard to cut a hole in the front (keeping the sole intact) or cut the heel out (again keeping the sole intact) to make it bearable to wear.

I still want to know if it which feet the shoes prints were (left or right or one of each)....

I've been wondering about that, too.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by enigma™


I agree. And, it would be no wonder if Meredith's emergency call showed signs of stress. She found her sister bludgeoned to death and her niece walking around in the aftermath.

(sorry to answer it in your post, but I'm tired of being berated by the JII crowd) [/*]What, you think she would be the first person on the planet to fake 'signs of stress'?

[im4justice]

Originally posted by bookie



You being "sure" or convinced" that the police checked doesn't answer the questions. Those are assumptions. [/*]

Why are you asking questions about blood in the drains being checked and then scoff at a reply ?
Do you really think anyone knows that other than LE for a fact??
IMO

[bookie]

Originally posted by alter ego


Green [the prosecutor]said at trial that the shoe prints could be unrelated to the murder or that Knight could have worn smaller shoes.
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/blogs/index.php?blog=34&m=20080204

oops [/*]



Hmmm so the prosecution couldn't even say for sure that Knight wore smaller shoes.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by 5swab5


You have no way of knowing that, nobody does.

Thankfully, LE and the DA's Office have let as little as possible out about the facts in this case.

I want the conviction preserved!

MOO

Swabby

I'm so sure that they went to one of the bloodiest crime scenes they had EVER seen, with evidence of a shower having taken place, and didn't examine the tub traps, NOT!

Don't forget that "special machine" that was in the early News reports. YEP, I am convinced that they have MUCH more than we are privy to, as they should. [/*]

What do you think that 'special machine' was? I thought it was a 3D crime scene simulator, but since they had to get a new warrant for the 'fresh eyes' to see the crime scene, I don't think that anymore.

Maybe it was a blood splatter 'string' machine - it plots the trajectory of blood splatter with lazer lights and turns it into a 3D image.

[bookie]

Originally posted by im4justice


Why are you asking questions about blood in the drains being checked and then scoff at a reply ?
Do you really think anyone knows that other than LE for a fact??
IMO [/*]


Maybe you should go back and read my post then the reply I quoted. Then you might have a clear understanding.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by alter ego
What, you think she would be the first person on the planet to fake 'signs of stress'?

I don't know much about voice stress tests. Tell me, since you are the all-knowing one, would a fake out by Meredith show up? Can the test weed out faked stress from honest-to-goodness real stress?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


You're right, Jason had mastered the art of bathing. [/*]

How many shoes do you think he changed into to pull off this murder? The tiniest trace could've been detected on his floorboard or gas pedal, etc. If he left bloody footprints with two different shoes then do you think he changed shoes a third time?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by enigma™


I agree. And, it would be no wonder if Meredith's emergency call showed signs of stress. She found her sister bludgeoned to death and her niece walking around in the aftermath.

(sorry to answer it in your post, but I'm tired of being berated by the JII crowd) [/*]


I got to take this one........... duct tape, don't fail me now.

You asked me a question,then, you said that I babble, and now you are being berated, is that correct?

You asked me to show you other possibilities besides Jason , and
I did.

I think it is kinda rude to respond the way you did.

But, hey, that's just me.

Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by alter ego
Sorry, but there is no way you can know that. [/*]

It's also faulty logic. If Meredith participated in the murder, she needed to explain why her prints or DNA were found at the crime scene. While she claims Jason phoned and asked her to go to the house, we've seen no proof such a call was made.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by enigma™


I don't know much about voice stress tests. Tell me, since you are the all-knowing one, would a fake out by Meredith show up? Can the test weed out faked stress from honest-to-goodness real stress? [/*]


You know, Michelle's only sister's name has not even been mentioned here for awhile.

The latest talk and discussions have been about the s/w's.

I wonder why some people want to bring her up again, is there something we should know, something you are not telling us about?


:confused:
Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Celiarun


It's also faulty logic. If Meredith participated in the murder, she needed to explain why her prints or DNA were found at the crime scene. While she claims Jason phoned and asked her to go to the house, we've seen no proof such a call was made. [/*]Wonder what size shoe she wears.

[im4justice]

Originally posted by bookie



Maybe you should go back and read my post then the reply I quoted. Then you might have a clear understanding. [/*]
I understand completely You state things as fact

QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bookie
He also mastered the art of leaving NO blood in the bathroom drains? Or do you think the police just didn't bother to check that out also?

There is no factual info about blood in the drains All rumor

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

SNIPPED

You asked me a question,then, you said that I babble, and now you are being berated, is that correct?

You asked me to show you other possibilities besides Jason , and
I did.

I think it is kinda rude to respond the way you did.

But, hey, that's just me.

Kat

I asked a question which you still have not answered. I didn't ask you to show other possibilities, I asked who you thought would be arrested. That's all. It's simple. Yet, you can't come up with an answer. Why not say you have no idea or thoughts on the subject?

I think it's kinda rude to respond the way you are responding right now. Your crew of JII posters, each and every one of them, jumped on my question and said you answered. That is ganging up, that is berating me because you didn't answer a question. I even asked you to give a simple answer, and you go on and on with one of your interminable lists. This is the last from me on this subject. Rude or not, you still haven't answered the question, and I can't figure out why. :rolleyes:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



You know, Michelle's only sister's name has not even been mentioned here for awhile.

The latest talk and discussions have been about the s/w's.

I wonder why some people want to bring her up again, is there something we should know, something you are not telling us about?


:confused:
Kat [/*]

Celiarun brought her up and others responded. You'll have to ask that question of Celiarun.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Neo


Meredith has cooperated with LE, its obvious that all of the information she gave them in regards to her whereabouts, the phone call from JY, etc...... has all checked out. She has obviously never been suspect or a POI in this case no matter how hard those who support Jason try to make her look like one. [/*]

While Meredith may have "cooperated" with LE, we still don't know if she told LE the truth or has been cleared from LE's list of suspects. There is a sealed warrant. MVHO

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by bookie



So that is just 2 of the huge differences in the cases. A divorce was filed in that one, the marital assets had been divided and a custody battle was involved. None of those are involved in this case.

The husband in that case was linked to his dead wife by her blood being found in a truck he had access to. There was motive since he felt she was trying to take his kids away from him. And from the little that report covers there was evidence showing only 1 suspect. [/*]

He also had several domestic violence arrests but the point is he wore way smaller shoes to mislead LE. I do wonder why he thought (and did) he would leave footprints behind? Footprints in what?

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

You know, Michelle's only sister's name has not even been mentioned here for awhile.

The latest talk and discussions have been about the s/w's.

I wonder why some people want to bring her up again, is there something we should know, something you are not telling us about?


:confused:
Kat

I am not the one that brought up Meredith's name. Please read before berating me about something I had nothing to do with in the first place. :rolleyes:

[5swab5]

Originally posted by alter ego


What do you think that 'special machine' was? I thought it was a 3D crime scene simulator, but since they had to get a new warrant for the 'fresh eyes' to see the crime scene, I don't think that anymore.

Maybe it was a blood splatter 'string' machine - it plots the trajectory of blood splatter with lazer lights and turns it into a 3D image. [/*]


Darlin'

You could be right.

But, that IS the $64,000.00 question.

I wish I knew. Better than that, I wish I had a hint as to why its use is being kept such a secret.

Believe me, I have tried to find out. ;)

MOO

Swabby

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Celiarun brought her up and others responded. You'll have to ask that question of Celiarun. [/*]

I brought up the 911 call. The discussion was about voice analysis. :read:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by alter ego
Wonder what size shoe she wears. [/*]

good question.

[daddydidit]

Originally posted by enigma™


I asked a question which you still have not answered. I didn't ask you to show other possibilities, I asked who you thought would be arrested. That's all. It's simple. Yet, you can't come up with an answer. Why not say you have no idea or thoughts on the subject?

I think it's kinda rude to respond the way you are responding right now. Your crew of JII posters, each and every one of them, jumped on my question and said you answered. That is ganging up, that is berating me because you didn't answer a question. I even asked you to give a simple answer, and you go on and on with one of your interminable lists. This is the last from me on this subject. Rude or not, you still haven't answered the question, and I can't figure out why. :rolleyes: [/*]

I think it's kinda rude to respond the way she does, too.

But, hey, that's just Kat:::::shrugs

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Celiarun


It's also faulty logic. If Meredith participated in the murder, she needed to explain why her prints or DNA were found at the crime scene. While she claims Jason phoned and asked her to go to the house, we've seen no proof such a call was made. [/*]

Ummmmm,

I'm pretty sure that the call was mentioned in the PC for the last released search warrants.:read:

MOO

Swabby

[bookie]

Originally posted by im4justice

I understand completely You state things as fact

QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bookie
He also mastered the art of leaving NO blood in the bathroom drains? Or do you think the police just didn't bother to check that out also?

There is no factual info about blood in the drains All rumor [/*]


Do you see the ? at the end of each sentence? The reason they are there is because I was asking questions because another poster made the claim that Jason mastered the art of showering. Questions are not statements of fact. :rolleyes:

[bookie]

Originally posted by annalyzer


He also had several domestic violence arrests but the point is he wore way smaller shoes to mislead LE. I do wonder why he thought (and did) he would leave footprints behind? Footprints in what? [/*]


Read the link alter ego posted. The prosecutor said during the trial that the shoes may have been unrelated to the murder. Someone jumped the gun when they posted the original link.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Celiarun


iirc, nowhere in that post did CW even imply that calling another poster an idiot was acceptable. You didn't just snip Kat's post, you called her post "irrelevant babble.":no: [/*]

Coldwater
Administrator

Registered: Aug 2002
Location:
Posts: 494
Re: Re: Re: coldwater

Nope, not picking on you, no one pays attention to my warning PMs so I guess I have to do it this way, check the Caylee forum if you think you are special. I haven't had time to make an announcement as of yet. Just as I don't have time to go back and read this thread I don't have time for pms that PROMISE they will be 'good' only to have them repeat so I have to take it to the boards. You have always had the option to send a report if you feel someone has broken a rule so I see it.

Name calling does not include childish playground names ie: "idiot" "dumb" "dork" etc etc. It means anything vile, obscene or personal. Otherwise I'd be deleting half the posts in one day.


Hope that helps

::shrugs::

Swabby

[im4justice]

Originally posted by bookie



Do you see the ? at the end of each sentence? The reason they are there is because I was asking questions because another poster made the claim that Jason mastered the art of showering. Questions are not statements of fact. :rolleyes: [/*]
Questions are not statements of fact. You sure attempt to make it sound as facts
Im not going to quibble with you
you are not worth the energy

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by daddydidit


I think it's kinda rude to respond the way she does, too.

But, hey, that's just Kat:::::shrugs [/*]



Yep, just me.

Maybe I need to put a trademark on my shrugs and stuff,

Imitation is a form of flattery, I suppose, but in the middle of a murder case, not so much.

:(

Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



You know, Michelle's only sister's name has not even been mentioned here for awhile.

The latest talk and discussions have been about the s/w's.

I wonder why some people want to bring her up again, is there something we should know, something you are not telling us about?


:confused:
Kat [/*]

I wonder why some people attempt to get the board closed whenever Meredith's name is mentioned? It's an obvious pattern.

[bookie]

Originally posted by im4justice

Questions are not statements of fact. You sure attempt to make it sound as facts
Im not going to quibble with you
you are not worth the energy [/*]

If you need to twist my questions to make your claim then go for it. I understand some people need to play games.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Celiarun


While Meredith may have "cooperated" with LE, we still don't know if she told LE the truth or has been cleared from LE's list of suspects. There is a sealed warrant. MVHO [/*]


AND, I am betting that the sealed one has to do with a tape on file with the Insurance Company about Michelle's jewelry. Ya know, the jewelry "reported" missing by Pat Young. It's gonna be SWEET!

MOO

Swabby

[alter ego]

Originally posted by 5swab5



Darlin'

You could be right.

But, that IS the $64,000.00 question.

I wish I knew. Better than that, I wish I had a hint as to why its use is being kept such a secret.

Believe me, I have tried to find out. ;)

MOO

Swabby [/*]Well keep tryin :D

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


I brought up the 911 call. The discussion was about voice analysis. :read: [/*]

Yes, you did. And that is how Michelle's sister was brought into the discussion. Like I said, you brought her in here today.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Celiarun


I wonder why some people attempt to get the board closed whenever Meredith's name is mentioned? It's an obvious pattern. [/*]


I can see where this Board is headed ......>>>>>>>>>

I am going to go research some new icons.
like.....

:banging head on keyboard:
:throwing myself in front of a post for dramatic effect:
:whining to moderator:
:babbling incoherently:

:)

Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Yes, you did. And that is how Michelle's sister was brought into the discussion. Like I said, you brought her in here today. [/*]

by golly, I sure did because she's the one who made the 911 call.
What else about Meredith would you like to discuss? Do you know her shoe size?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



I can see where this Board is headed headed......>>>>>>>>>

I am going to go research some new icons.

BBL.

:)

Kat [/*]

good idea. Second shift is due to start in less than an hour. Will you cover for me? LOL

[Kat4Eagles]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Celiarun


by golly, I sure did because she's the one who made the 911 call.
What else about Meredith would you like to discuss? Do you know her shoe size? [/*][/QUOTE



Does she usually glue her shoe size on before going out?

Kat

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by 5swab5



IF Meredith had anything to do with Michelle's murder, there is NO way that she would have gone to that house at Jason's request. PERIOD!

[/*]

Unless she was Jason's accomplice.

Or she was already there when he called.

Or she thought it was a good opportunity to clean up the scene.

Or she forgot something she left behind that could incriminate her.

Or she went back to stage the scene.

No way period?

[im4justice]

Originally posted by Celiarun


by golly, I sure did because she's the one who made the 911 call.
What else about Meredith would you like to discuss? Do you know her shoe size? [/*]
No you are wrong The 911 call was NOT being dicussed in that posting
I believe The landline phone message was brought up
The opportunity to again drag Meredith into the conversation was then started
IMO

[enigma™]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Coldwater
Administrator

Registered: Aug 2002
Location:
Posts: 494
Re: Re: Re: coldwater

Nope, not picking on you, no one pays attention to my warning PMs so I guess I have to do it this way, check the Caylee forum if you think you are special. I haven't had time to make an announcement as of yet. Just as I don't have time to go back and read this thread I don't have time for pms that PROMISE they will be 'good' only to have them repeat so I have to take it to the boards. You have always had the option to send a report if you feel someone has broken a rule so I see it.

Name calling does not include childish playground names ie: "idiot" "dumb" "dork" etc etc. It means anything vile, obscene or personal. Otherwise I'd be deleting half the posts in one day.


Hope that helps

::shrugs::

Swabby [/*]

That's the one. Thank you.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by bookie



Read the link alter ego posted. The prosecutor said during the trial that the shoes may have been unrelated to the murder. Someone jumped the gun when they posted the original link. [/*]

Yeah but he was found guilty.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by im4justice

Questions are not statements of fact. You sure attempt to make it sound as facts
Im not going to quibble with you
you are not worth the energy [/*]Huh? Asking a question is asserting a fact?

:confused:

[5swab5]

Originally posted by alter ego
Well keep tryin :D [/*]

LOL,

It is exasperating, I assure you. Seems to be some code of silence involved.

MOO

Swabby

[alter ego]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Yeah but he was found guilty. [/*]Yeah and he's appealing.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


by golly, I sure did because she's the one who made the 911 call.
What else about Meredith would you like to discuss? Do you know her shoe size? [/*]

Ask Kat. She's the one that wanted to know why Meredith keeps getting introduced into the forum.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by im4justice

No you are wrong The 911 call was NOT being dicussed in that posting
I believe The landline phone message was brought up
The opportunity to again drag Meredith into the conversation was then started
IMO

There was a question about voice stress tests that I was responding to, saying that Meredith found her sister's body and that's the post Kat decided I brought Meredith's name up today. :shrug:™

[5swab5]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Unless she was Jason's accomplice.

Or she was already there when he called.

Or she thought it was a good opportunity to clean up the scene.

Or she forgot something she left behind that could incriminate her.

Or she went back to stage the scene.

No way period? [/*]

I believe 'NO WAY".

I also believe that common sense dictates that a jury will believe the same.

Last I checked, there was an SUV sighted in the driveway. Meredith's car couldn't even be mistaken for an SUV.

IMO

Swabby

[im4justice]

Originally posted by alter ego
Huh? Asking a question is asserting a fact?

:confused: [/*]
Oh come on AE You know what I mean Dont try to get bookie out of the hole
No different than me asking Do you think Jason's friends knew about his sexual affairs? Try to insert something as fact, in a question
Nice camouflage but not fooling anyone

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by 5swab5


I believe 'NO WAY".

[/*]

I was going by what you said: IF Meredith WAS involved in the murder.

[bookie]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Yeah but he was found guilty. [/*]

Not because it was proven that he wore smaller shoes.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC
He got his size 12 foot into a size 8 1/2 shoe. Man, a size 10 would be a breeze. [/*]

I don't think it would be hard to do. I just wouldn't also leave a bloody print with my regular size shoe that could possibly be traced back to me. But that's just me. :D

[5swab5]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC
n Wednesday, FBI shoe-print examiner Michael Smith spent most of the afternoon testifying about soil, soles and shoe sizes.
The shoes that left the prints at the murder scene had a herringbone pattern, but there is no way to tell who made the shoes, Smith said.
While Adidas does make shoes with a herringbone pattern, so do Keds and Nike, Smith said.
Smith also testified that the soles of shoes can be one size, but the shoe itself another size -— depending upon how they are made.
As a result, no one can say with any certainty what size shoes left a particular impression, Smith said.
The impressions could have been left by an 8, 9, 10 or some other size, Smith said.
"If you take all of your types of shoes and trace them and then overlay the traces, there's going to be a lot of variations," Smith said.
In addition, the type of soil the impression was left on can make a lot of difference in trying to determine size, Smith said.
Smith testified he often wears suspects' shoes when making test impressions and he has gotten into a size 8 1/2 even though he wears a size 12.
Smith acknowledged under cross-examination he probably wouldn't be able to run in a size 8 1/2 shoe. He also said he didn't think a person who wears a size 14 could get into an 8 1/2 shoe, nor could a large shoe make a smaller impression.


http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/metro/215181.php [/*]

Very interesting.

I was looking up some info the other day on "tire and shoe tread" forensics.

They said pretty much said the same thing. For instance: They have a formula for determining the height of the perp from the known shoe "print"...but they could see a marked difference between what "size" person wore the same shoe in their lab test results.

Not much of a surprise there, I guess heavier people use more of the bottom of their shoes than bantam weights. :shrug:

MOO

Swabby

[bookie]

Originally posted by im4justice

Oh come on AE You know what I mean Dont try to get bookie out of the hole
No different than me asking Do you think Jason's friends knew about his sexual affairs? Try to insert something as fact, in a question
Nice camouflage but not fooling anyone [/*]


I'm not in a hole. Maybe if you would bother to actually read you could follow along. My QUESTION about blood in the drain was in response to this post. I stated NOTHING as fact.

And just to make sure this is clear there has been nothing in any warrants to indicate that the police found ANY signs that someone took a shower or cleaned up in any way, shape or form. The only blood mentioned was from the impressions on the 2 seperate shoes.


BSNBREVARDNC
Member

Registered: May 2008
Location:
Posts: 118

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by JHP



So? [/*]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



You're right, Jason had mastered the art of bathing.

[bookie]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC
He got his size 12 foot into a size 8 1/2 shoe. Man, a size 10 would be a breeze. [/*]

Or it was unrelated to the murder according to the prosecutor who tried that case per alter ego's link about the same case.

[bookie]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC
On Wednesday, FBI shoe-print examiner Michael Smith spent most of the afternoon testifying about soil, soles and shoe sizes.
The shoes that left the prints at the murder scene had a herringbone pattern, but there is no way to tell who made the shoes, Smith said.
While Adidas does make shoes with a herringbone pattern, so do Keds and Nike, Smith said.
Smith also testified that the soles of shoes can be one size, but the shoe itself another size -— depending upon how they are made.
As a result, no one can say with any certainty what size shoes left a particular impression, Smith said.
The impressions could have been left by an 8, 9, 10 or some other size, Smith said.
"If you take all of your types of shoes and trace them and then overlay the traces, there's going to be a lot of variations," Smith said.
In addition, the type of soil the impression was left on can make a lot of difference in trying to determine size, Smith said.
Smith testified he often wears suspects' shoes when making test impressions and he has gotten into a size 8 1/2 even though he wears a size 12.
Smith acknowledged under cross-examination he probably wouldn't be able to run in a size 8 1/2 shoe. He also said he didn't think a person who wears a size 14 could get into an 8 1/2 shoe, nor could a large shoe make a smaller impression.


http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/metro/215181.php [/*]


From your link....

The prosecutors say either Shad Knight made the impressions with altered shoes or the prints are unrelated to the case.

Since the shoe expert admitted he didn't think a size 14 could fit into an 8 1/2 and the defendant wore a 13 1/2 to a 14 the impressions probably weren't even related.

[bookie]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


I think you are missing the point. A size 12 can fit into a size 10. [/*]


And a size 10 can fit into a 12 but since that points away from Jason the JDI's don't seem to want to discuss that possibility.

[bookie]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


BUT.......this shoe expert is showing that Jy could have worn a size 10. [/*]


The shoes in that case weren't identified or found. If they had been his opinion might have changed depending on the brand/make. The size 10 in this case has been identified. If Jason is arrested I have no doubt someone will have him try on a size 10 of the same shoe.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


The Franklin could have been on purpose and the HP could have been by accident. [/*]

The way I visualize things...And granted I am not privy to the photos and was not there, but it really does sound like a "royal battle" took place.

Anything could have happened. Absolutely ANYTHING!

Remember Jason was on a schedule. Which probably accounts for all the lights being on, he couldn't rely on memory and his original plan, he needed to do a quick check, secure Cassidy, secure Mr. Garrison and get his mess in the wind. Darn that NYT deliveryperson.


MOO

Swabby

Yet, he was "reported" late for his meeting and checked his voice mail frequently. NAH, nothing suspicious about that.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC
He got his size 12 foot into a size 8 1/2 shoe. Man, a size 10 would be a breeze. [/*]Well gosh if that were the case then the Pros would have proved it.

Instead they said he COULD have worn smaller shoes and the prints COULD be unrelated to the murder.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


I've never seen anyone say that a 10 would not fit into a 12. However, the opposite has been deemed a physical impossibility. [/*]More like a stretch of the imagination in this case to believe that JY either wore 3 pairs of shoes or drove barefoot.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC

I've never seen anyone say that a 10 would not fit into a 12. However, the opposite has been deemed a physical impossibility.

There is a lot of information that isn't in the public realm. LE knows what pressure was used to make those impressions on the pillow. I imagine when someone is wearing a shoe that doesn't fit their foot, those impressions wouldn't be consistent with someone who would wear the size. I hope this makes sense.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by 5swab5


The way I visualize things...And granted I am not privy to the photos and was not there, but it really does sound like a "royal battle" took place.

Anything could have happened. Absolutely ANYTHING!

Remember Jason was on a schedule. Which probably accounts for all the lights being on, he couldn't rely on memory and his original plan, he needed to do a quick check, secure Cassidy, secure Mr. Garrison and get his mess in the wind. Darn that NYT deliveryperson.


MOO

Swabby

Yet, he was "reported" late for his meeting and checked his voice mail frequently. NAH, nothing suspicious about that. [/*]
It is rumored that he was late for a meeting.

And what is suspicious about a salesperson frequently checking his voice mails?

[bookie]

Originally posted by alter ego
More like a stretch of the imagination in this case to believe that JY either wore 3 pairs of shoes or drove barefoot. [/*]


And left what was called "the most gruesome scene" the sheriff had ever seen and left no trace of blood in his vehicle.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


BUT.......this shoe expert is showing that Jy could have worn a size 10. [/*]No, the expert didn't testify about Jason, just about what he has done. Also, he talks about an ALTERED shoe of smaller size.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by bookie



And left what was called "the most gruesome scene" the sheriff had ever seen and left no trace of blood in his vehicle. [/*]What a master criminal.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by alter ego

It is rumored that he was late for a meeting.

And what is suspicious about a salesperson frequently checking his voice mails? [/*]

Absolutely NOTHING!

Unless of course, after sending Meredith to his house on her fateful errand, he didn't read hers until he was safely in Brevard trying for an Academy Award, by "falling plumb to his knees".

MOO

Swabby

[alter ego]

Originally posted by im4justice

Oh come on AE You know what I mean Dont try to get bookie out of the hole
No different than me asking Do you think Jason's friends knew about his sexual affairs? Try to insert something as fact, in a question
Nice camouflage but not fooling anyone [/*]Bookie is in no hole.

Just because you play games with questions and use them to assert facts doesn't mean everyone else does.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Absolutely NOTHING!

Unless of course, after sending Meredith to his house on her fateful errand, he didn't read hers until he was safely in Brevard trying for an Academy Award, by "falling plumb to his knees".

MOO

Swabby [/*]:confused: Meredith sent him a voicemail?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


Hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. The expert say that he puts his size 12s in an 8 1/2. Jason getting his 12s in a 10 would be no problem.

Ya'll take it easy.................. [/*]You keep leaving out the altered part.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by bookie



And left what was called "the most gruesome scene" the sheriff had ever seen and left no trace of blood in his vehicle. [/*]


Why is it, every time I read about the murder scene as

being,gruesome, bloody, horrific and then I hear the

word "fallen", I feel like we are looking at 2 completely different

crime scenes.?

:shrug:

Kat

[5swab5]

Originally posted by bookie



And left what was called "the most gruesome scene" the sheriff had ever seen and left no trace of blood in his vehicle. [/*]


Sorry,

But Jason was the ONLY person that could chance not only being in that driveway in the middle of the night with all the lights on, risk taking a shower in his own house, have unlimited changes of clothes available, AND protect Cassidy and Mr. Garrison.

MOO

Swabby

Plus USE his SIL to discover the body and rescue Cassidy and Mr. Garrison.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


Hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. The expert say that he puts his size 12s in an 8 1/2. Jason getting his 12s in a 10 would be no problem.

Ya'll take it easy.................. [/*]


You think C was wearing her Daddy's shoes around the house.?

??

Kat

[5swab5]

Originally posted by alter ego
:confused: Meredith sent him a voicemail? [/*]

C'mon,

You don't think that people were trying to contact Jason during those long hours between the discovery Of Michelle's body and his arrival in Brevard?

I can't buy that.

MOO

SwabbyThunder Boomers coming in, I might be gone soon.

[Kat4Eagles]

There is breaking news in the Caylee Anthony case.

:(
Kat

[gbmy]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Thanks BSNBREVARDNC!

There goes that "impossible theory" right out the window.

MOO

Swabby [/*]
If you say something is impossible, chances are you will be wrong. He certainly could have worn a shoe 2 sizes too small. If I had to wager, I'd say he didn't based on what I believe is likely. You may feel differently which is cool.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by 5swab5


C'mon,

You don't think that people were trying to contact Jason during those long hours between the discovery Of Michelle's body and his arrival in Brevard?

I can't buy that.

MOO

SwabbyThunder Boomers coming in, I might be gone soon. [/*]I have no idea. I just don't find it odd that a saleman is frequently checking his voice mail.

If they can show it was out of character, then yeah, it would be suspcious.

Be safe.

[shack]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Why is it, every time I read about the murder scene as

being,gruesome, bloody, horrific and then I hear the

word "fallen", I feel like we are looking at 2 completely different

crime scenes.?

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

I have now listened to the 911 tape. Where you say the word fallen I would say a stone cold dead voice saying This place doesn't look like it normally does. Go back now and listen to it again. This lady changes her voice several different times. I,m going now to listen again.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Research it?
Not sure that you bang your head on your keyboard but you certainly induce that behavior in others with your posts.
As for the last three, you are the QUEEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good job, Kat!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep up the good work !!!!!!!!!!!!

How about those SWs????????

Your boy is looking bad.

One question, do you have an iota of sympathy for this dead mother? I didn't think so.

Shrugs, hugs, and a swoosh for good measure !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just sayin' and JMVHO Aggie [/*]
pls put your personal comments and slams in a PM so the rest of us don't have to read your trash talk.

Thanxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



You think C was wearing her Daddy's shoes around the house.?

??

Kat [/*]

Actually, Kat, that's as reasonable as some other things I've read today. Little girls do that, ime.

JMO

[im4justice]

Originally posted by alter ego
Bookie is in no hole.

Just because you play games with questions and use them to assert facts doesn't mean everyone else does. [/*]
Show where I have done that
I gave an example thats all
QUOTE]Originally posted by bookie
He also mastered the art of leaving NO blood in the bathroom drains? Or do you think the police just didn't bother to check that out also?

Bookie's question insinuates that there is knowledge of no blood in the drains
No one here has that info It is what it is IMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by shack


I have now listened to the 911 tape. Where you say the word fallen I would say a stone cold dead voice saying This place doesn't look like it normally does. Go back now and listen to it again. This lady changes her voice several different times. I,m going now to listen again. [/*]

We're all anxious to hear your "first" impression, shack. :biggrin:



DNA Question: Is comma placement genetic?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by bookie



And a size 10 can fit into a 12 but since that points away from Jason the JDI's don't seem to want to discuss that possibility. [/*]

That's true. Any idea what size shoe Kim Young wears?

[5swab5]

Originally posted by alter ego
I have no idea. I just don't find it odd that a saleman is frequently checking his voice mail.

If they can show it was out of character, then yeah, it would be suspcious.

Be safe. [/*]


Thanks! Lord knows, we need the rain. Thunder & Lightening...not so much.

I do believe that Jason's "normal" routines regarding voice mails will come into play. But I think that what will be more significant, was that he contacted Meredith to go on this mercy errand, yet he didn't answer her calls.

I will always believe that he didn't even start for Brevard in earnest, until he saw one from his mom. He knew at that point that everything was in place, well, except for dropping to his knees.

MOO

Swabby

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Cardinal

We're all anxious to hear your "first" impression, shack. :biggrin:

DNA Question: Is comma placement genetic?

Only when reincarnation occurs first. :D

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by enigma™


Only when reincarnation occurs first. :D [/*]

:lol:

[enigma™]

I don't recall you responding to my query about voice stress tests. Are the experts able to determine when someone is faking?

If you responded, please direct me to the reply. The board got derailed and I could have missed it. Thanks in advance.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by im4justice

~snipped~

Originally posted by bookie
He also mastered the art of leaving NO blood in the bathroom drains? Or do you think the police just didn't bother to check that out also?

Bookie's question insinuates that there is knowledge of no blood in the drains
No one here has that info It is what it is IMO [/*]

If there were blood in the bathroom drains, is it possible to determine whose body the blood was washed from?

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Cardinal


We're all anxious to hear your "first" impression, shack. :biggrin:



DNA Question: Is comma placement genetic? [/*]



Not sure about that. I remember studying eye and hair color and whether or not a person can roll or curl their tongues. I am sure that someone here has studied this more than myself.

I have noticed something unique in this case tho, when Jason "speaks", his mommie's lips move. Interesting.

JMO

Swabby

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by shack


Well you aren't going to hear the first impression. The class heard that. It was OMG to can you believe that shix to what a biteche. We are listening agin. [/*]

We're all standing by, with baited breath.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by shack

Well you aren't going to hear the first impression. The class heard that. It was OMG to can you believe that shix to what a biteche. We are listening agin.

Do you have a translation for that legalese?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by shack


Well you aren't going to hear the first impression. The class heard that. It was OMG to can you believe that shix to what a biteche. We are listening agin. [/*]

I live in Cincinnati and I know the schedule for UC's law school. Not that it matters. Continue on.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by 5swab5




Not sure about that. I remember studying eye and hair color and whether or not a person can roll or curl their tongues. I am sure that someone here has studied this more than myself.

I have noticed something unique in this case tho, when Jason "speaks", his mommie's lips move. Interesting.

JMO

Swabby [/*]

Sorry for the o/t, but be safe, Swabby. We had a tornado touch down near here earlier today.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Cardinal


That's true. Any idea what size shoe Kim Young wears? [/*]

I am curious too.

She isn't a petite woman. DON'T SHOOT, Just a personal observation.

Peace, Please!

MOO

Swabby

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Neo



No expert, but I would think that it would be possible. Maybe there is some sort of "layering" process? Like a layer of Michelle's blood, then another person's skin cells and maybe blood?

:shrug: [/*]

That makes sense. I would think that a lot of skin cells would slough off during a shower. I hope LE did that kind of analysis, if the rumors are true and the killer showered before leaving.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Neo



Is that where shack is studying? [/*]

That's what shack said on a previous thread.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


We're all standing by, with baited breath. [/*]


Card, lol, I am surprized at you.
You never got in the mud before.

:no:

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Neo


I hope so too, but again, I don't even know if that type of testing can be done, the layering part I mean.

I really wish this case would have some sort of resolution. Its really taking its toll. I can't imagine what the Fisher's are going through. What a horribly long time to wait.
:rose: [/*]

Forensics are so sophisticated now, it wouldn't surprise me if that type of analysis is possible.

And I think we all wish for resolution. And I have to believe, at this point, it will come sooner rather than later. I know others noted, and I did too, that inquiries to the WCSO are being referred to the DA's office. I find that significant.

JMO

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Neo


ITA. It must have been a very very long day for him waiting for that call. [/*]

The way I look at it is like this. Pat did not want to give Jason the info while he was at work or "on the road". I understand that. I'm not even a Mom, but I have one, so I KNOW that basic rule all too well.

Eventually she had to make a call, Jason did not have to answer it, but it was his way of knowing that the "coast was clear".

All that was left to do, was the "plumb to the knees" display.


MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Sorry for the o/t, but be safe, Swabby. We had a tornado touch down near here earlier today. [/*]




Me too, Swabby, stay safe..

I want all my JDI's in place when this case takes a sudden surprising turn....

:)
Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Card, lol, I am surprized at you.
You never got in the mud before.

:no:

Kat [/*]

Kat, I don't like being played. That's all. I'm here to discuss this case, period. Hopefully, with people who are genuinely interested in doing the same thing. You've said before, and I've agreed with you, that you don't care who anyone is behind their nic. But at least have the integrity of the nic.

Btw, have you heard from June lately? Not to go o/t, but she was very ill a few weeks ago. Since she hasn't been around in a while, I was concerned. :)

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Research it?
Not sure that you bang your head on your keyboard but you certainly induce that behavior in others with your posts.
As for the last three, you are the QUEEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good job, Kat!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep up the good work !!!!!!!!!!!!

How about those SWs????????

Your boy is looking bad.

One question, do you have an iota of sympathy for this dead mother? I didn't think so.

Shrugs, hugs, and a swoosh for good measure !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just sayin' and JMVHO Aggie [/*]

Crap, now I need more icons.....
a good grief icon,
a over acting icon
and my trademark swoosh icon,


My Boy? Jason? He looks pretty okay to me, been traveling, posted some pics to share, evidence of someone else being at the crime scene..

Looking better to me.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Kat, I don't like being played. That's all. I'm here to discuss this case, period. Hopefully, with people who are genuinely interested in doing the same thing. You've said before, and I've agreed with you, that you don't care who anyone is behind their nic. But at least have the integrity of the nic.

Btw, have you heard from June lately? Not to go o/t, but she was very ill a few weeks ago. Since she hasn't been around in a while, I was concerned. :)

JMO [/*]

No one likes to be played, Card.
I am just surpized at you.
You always stayed above the muck before,
June is MIA?
So, are a lot of other posters.
And, yet new ones arrive daily..
Even Slim Shady showed up earlier.
:cough:
Kat

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Cardinal


If there were blood in the bathroom drains, is it possible to determine whose body the blood was washed from? [/*]

Oh, I am sure that there was blood there, I doubt that Jason had time to "Liquid Fire" the drains too.

But, his Defense Attorney will say that finding blood in the hairs intertwined in a tub trap (gross, I know...sorry), in a house of a female of child bearing age is NOTHING. Jason's hairs and DNA would be expected to be there also.

JMO

Swabby


But, WHERE is the "foreign" DNA, ya know, the DNA that Jason CAN be excluded from?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Oh, I am sure that there was blood there, I doubt that Jason had time to "Liquid Fire" the drains too.

But, his Defense Attorney will say that finding blood in the hairs intertwined in a tub trap (gross, I know...sorry), in a house of a female of child bearing age is NOTHING. Jason's hairs and DNA would be expected to be there also.

JMO

Swabby


But, WHERE is the "foreign" DNA, ya know, the DNA that Jason CAN be excluded from? [/*]

It's not gross; it's factual. And true. But I agree that the presence or absence of "foreign" DNA is the telling factor.

JMO

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I live in Cincinnati and I know the schedule for UC's law school. Not that it matters. Continue on. [/*]

OOPS,

I saw that too. A good friend passed that info on.;)

The devil is in the details.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Neo


I hope so too, but again, I don't even know if that type of testing can be done, the layering part I mean.

I really wish this case would have some sort of resolution. Its really taking its toll. I can't imagine what the Fisher's are going through. What a horribly long time to wait.
:rose: [/*]

Hi Neo,

You are 100% correct! Sometimes I get wound up.

It IS all about Justice for Michelle & Rylan.


MOO

Swabby

I don't know how the Fishers are doing this. Seems that they are doing "time" even before the criminal.

:rose:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Neo


LE said this was one of the worst crime scenes they have ever seen.

I can't imagine the killer not leaving DNA. Jason's DNA was found, but no foreign DNA.

Very telling. [/*]

Now, see, this is wrong.

We don't know that no foreign DNA was not found.

Le did not interview 100 people and take prints from some of them if there was no foreign DNA

Anyone who visited or stayed in the Young house at some time, left foreign DNA there.

:sheesh: icon

Kat

[Cardinal]

I don't see how anyone other than the DA can promise an arrest. And I don't have timetable. I just want to be here, and have the board be open, when an arrest happens.

Michelle and Rylan Young deserve that. :rose:

[bookie]

Originally posted by 5swab5



Sorry,

But Jason was the ONLY person that could chance not only being in that driveway in the middle of the night with all the lights on, risk taking a shower in his own house, have unlimited changes of clothes available, AND protect Cassidy and Mr. Garrison.

MOO

Swabby

Plus USE his SIL to discover the body and rescue Cassidy and Mr. Garrison. [/*]


Many homes are broken into, some in broad daylight, and the persons responsible are never seen.

There has been nothing in any of the warrants that indicate the shower was used.

Cassidy wasn't protected too well since she was left in the home with her mother's dead body for God only knows how many hours. If Jason planned and committed this murder he could/would have planned it for a time that Cassidy wouldn't be left alone with a dead body for 12+ hours.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Now, see, this is wrong.

We don't know that no foreign DNA was not found.

Le did not interview 100 people and take prints from some of them if there was no foreign DNA

Anyone who visited or stayed in the Young house at some time, left foreign DNA there.

:sheesh: icon

Kat [/*]

No, we don't know that no foreign DNA was found. That information has not been made public. But the shower drain, IF the killer took a shower, is a much more limited area. And I hope it was tested.

JMO

[bookie]

Originally posted by Cardinal


If there were blood in the bathroom drains, is it possible to determine whose body the blood was washed from? [/*]


Wasn't there blood in the drains in the Pamela Vitale case that tested positive as hers?

[bookie]

Originally posted by Neo


You must be following a different case:D

According to the release, JY's DNA was found on a door and DNA that did not exclude him was found on a jewelry box.......nothing else was mentioned.

We don't know what else has been found, but so far, no where have I seen any foreign DNA being found.

Time will tell. [/*]


The police wouldn't mention foreign dna in a warrant asking for items specific to Jason. It would have no bearing on what they were looking for and might make a judge disagree that they need the items they are looking for.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Neo


You must be following a different case:D

According to the release, JY's DNA was found on a door and DNA that did not exclude him was found on a jewelry box.......nothing else was mentioned.

We don't know what else has been found, but so far, no where have I seen any foreign DNA being found.

Time will tell. [/*]

I don't think all of LE's evidence was revealed in the pc for the SWs. I imagine there were numerous forensics tests that would not be included in that information. We'll all have to wait to see what those tests indicate.

Calling it a night. And for those starting the holiday weekend early, have a good one.

:seeya:

[5swab5]

Originally posted by bookie



Many homes are broken into, some in broad daylight, and the persons responsible are never seen.

There has been nothing in any of the warrants that indicate the shower was used.

Cassidy wasn't protected too well since she was left in the home with her mother's dead body for God only knows how many hours. If Jason planned and committed this murder he could/would have planned it for a time that Cassidy wouldn't be left alone with a dead body for 12+ hours. [/*]

Oh Really?

Which Jason?

The Jason that played footsie with MM?

The Jason that doesn't do anything without his mommie?

The Jason that uses Cassidy as chum on dating sites?

The Jason that refuses to honor Michelle in any way?

OR,

The Jason that constantly complained about being married.

You Pick.

MOO

Swabby

OR the Jason that won't collect Michelle's LI Policy? Because he knows that he might have to open his mouth, and for ONCE his mommie's lips won't be moving

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by bookie



Wasn't there blood in the drains in the Pamela Vitale case that tested positive as hers? [/*]

Wasn't her husband cleared fairly quickly (a defense lawyer who cooperated completely) and wasn't her killer arrested, charged and convicted?

[bookie]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Oh Really?

Which Jason?

The Jason that played footsie with MM?

The Jason that doesn't do anything without his mommie?

The Jason that uses Cassidy as chum on dating sites?

The Jason that refuses to honor Michelle in any way?

OR,

The Jason that constantly complained about being married.

You Pick.

MOO

Swabby

OR the Jason that won't collect Michelle's LI Policy? Because he knows that he might have to open his mouth, and for ONCE his mommie's lips won't be moving [/*]


Played footsie? It's kind of hard to play footsie when you are talking on the phone or via email.

Won't do anything without his mommy? Are you in the home with them all day everyday? I didn't think so.

Craigslist isn't a dating site.

Constantly complained about being married? More unfounded rumor? Why did I expect better?

[bookie]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Wasn't her husband cleared fairly quickly (a defense lawyer who cooperated completely) and wasn't her killer arrested, charged and convicted? [/*]


Yes her husband was cleared but he's still accused of murdering her on this board. Poor Scott Dyleski was framed by the husband even though there was physical evidence (bloody clothing) against him.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by bookie



Yes her husband was cleared but he's still accused of murdering her on this board. Poor Scott Dyleski was framed by the husband even though there was physical evidence (bloody clothing) against him. [/*]

What people accuse or claim on this board doesn't matter. There are still people that think OJ is innocent and Elvis is alive. That doesn't make it real. IMO

[bookie]

Originally posted by Barbara2


What people accuse or claim on this board doesn't matter. There are still people that think OJ is innocent and Elvis is alive. That doesn't make it real. IMO [/*]


It proves the point I was making the other night.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by bookie



It proves the point I was making the other night. [/*]

Whatever. I'm dealing with the point being made tonight. That's all I can respond to. If you want to make a point regarding something that was made the other night, you might want to copy it over. JMO

[bookie]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Whatever. I'm dealing with the point being made tonight. That's all I can respond to. If you want to make a point regarding something that was made the other night, you might want to copy it over. JMO [/*]


The point was that some people will go to any lengths to make the husband guilty even if he isn't.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Hi Neo,

You are 100% correct! Sometimes I get wound up.

It IS all about Justice for Michelle & Rylan.


MOO

Swabby

I don't know how the Fishers are doing this. Seems that they are doing "time" even before the criminal.

:rose: [/*]

We all get wound up, Swabby, sometimes the horror that Michelle must have felt, seems to be so overwhelming and painful to even think about.

We have all put our time in here , and if there is a moment of lightness once in awhile, I hope Michelle would smile at that.

No one here has made fun of her death, or wishes she was not still alive...........and,..............not just another murder case.

No one here does not wish that Michelle was putting C and R to bed right now..


:(
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by im4justice

Kat Autumn starts September 22, 2008 making September 21 the last day of summer this year [/*]


Okay, I can extend the prediction another 3 weeks.

Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by bookie



The point was that some people will go to any lengths to make the husband guilty even if he isn't. [/*]

And some people will go to any lengths to make the husband innocent, even if he isn't. It works both ways. IMO

[5swab5]

Originally posted by bookie



Played footsie? It's kind of hard to play footsie when you are talking on the phone or via email.

Won't do anything without his mommy? Are you in the home with them all day everyday? I didn't think so.

Craigslist isn't a dating site.

Constantly complained about being married? More unfounded rumor? Why did I expect better? [/*]

You can "expect" anything you want to.

But the handwriting is on the wall.

Jason, wasn't/isn't perfect. Never has been/never will be.

Eyes wide shut learn nothing.

IMO

Swabby

The little pretzel logic world that some live in, must get kinda' cramped, late at night.

[bookie]

Originally posted by 5swab5


snipped

The little pretzel logic world that some live in, must get kinda' cramped, late at night. [/*]



I'm sure you can answer that....so is it cramped late at night?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Neo


You must be following a different case:D

According to the release, JY's DNA was found on a door and DNA that did not exclude him was found on a jewelry box.......nothing else was mentioned.

We don't know what else has been found, but so far, no where have I seen any foreign DNA being found.

Time will tell. [/*]


Why would L E tell us if or if not foreign DNA was found?

Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Why would L E tell us if or if not foreign DNA was found?

Kat [/*]

Why in February of 2008 would they still be after Jason if they had good reason to believe that someone else committed the crime?

[5swab5]

Originally posted by bookie



Played footsie? It's kind of hard to play footsie when you are talking on the phone or via email.

Won't do anything without his mommy? Are you in the home with them all day everyday? I didn't think so.

Craigslist isn't a dating site.

Constantly complained about being married? More unfounded rumor? Why did I expect better? [/*]

Whatever makes your boat float.

Jason is a lot of things, true....... BUT, he will never be accused of being discreet.

JMO

Swabby

[enigma™]

Originally posted by bookie

The point was that some people will go to any lengths to make the husband guilty even if he isn't.

No one can make someone guilty if they are not. Husband, sister, brother, mother, there is a murderer on the loose and whoever it is needs to be brought to justice.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Why in February of 2008 would they still be after Jason if they had good reason to believe that someone else committed the crime? [/*]


Tunnelvision.

[bookie]

Originally posted by enigma™


No one can make someone guilty if they are not. Husband, sister, brother, mother, there is a murderer on the loose and whoever it is needs to be brought to justice. [/*]


Your first sentence isn't true. Many people have been legally judged guilty when they were innocent. Some have been sentenced to death and many have spent decades locked away in prisons for crimes they didn't commit. And even after evidence surfaced that completely exonerated some they are still accused.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by bookie



Tunnelvision. [/*]

I call BS on that. LE wants to get it right. The DA demands it. If they had evidence that pointed to someone else, LE would be there. They gain nothing by trying to convict the wrong person. The Duke LaCrosse case is a prime example of trying to go with that "tunnelvision". IMO.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Neo


Meaning, the case would be taking a different direction by now. [/*]


But, how do you know it isn't?

Those s/w's are 6 months old..and no arrest of Jason Young.

So, 22 months later....."Who killed Michelle"?

Kat

[bookie]

Originally posted by Neo


And there should be no worry about anyone being wrongly convicted, not with the DNA and forensic technology we have today. [/*]


Cynthia Sommers was convicted earlier this year. She was found guilty of murdering a man who wasn't even murdered so yes....wrongful convictions still happen despite DNA technology.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I call BS on that. LE wants to get it right. The DA demands it. If they had evidence that pointed to someone else, LE would be there. They gain nothing by trying to convict the wrong person. The Duke LaCrosse case is a prime example of trying to go with that "tunnelvision". IMO. [/*]


The Duke Rape case doesn't help your point. The police helped Nifong. They are the ones who put a lineup full of Duke players, with no fillers, in front of CM. They broke their own policy during that lineup to help Nifong manufacture evidence against 32 innocent boys.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by bookie
Your first sentence isn't true. Many people have been legally judged guilty when they were innocent. Some have been sentenced to death and many have spent decades locked away in prisons for crimes they didn't commit. And even after evidence surfaced that completely exonerated some they are still accused.

BZZZZZZT! INCORRECT! No one can make someone guilty if they are not. I do not care if they are judged guilty by a jury of their peers or satan himself, if that person is not guilty, then that's all there is to it. They can have a guilty verdict handed down on them, but it still does not make them guilty if they did not commit the crime.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Neo


And she was released. [/*]

But the fact remains that she was wrongfully convicted in 2008. If it could happen a few months ago what is to stop it from happening again?

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Neo
And there should be no worry about anyone being wrongly convicted, not with the DNA and forensic technology we have today.

I concur, but unfortunately labs are prone to human error on occasion.

[bookie]

Originally posted by enigma™


BZZZZZZT! INCORRECT! No one can make someone guilty if they are not. I do not care if they are judged guilty by a jury of their peers or satan himself, if that person is not guilty, then that's all there is to it. They can have a guilty verdict handed down on them, but it still does not make them guilty if they did not commit the crime. [/*]


Tell that to someone who has been convicted for a crime they didn't commit.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by enigma™


No one can make someone guilty if they are not. Husband, sister, brother, mother, there is a murderer on the loose and whoever it is needs to be brought to justice. [/*]


And, no one can make themselves innocent by just hiding behind a lawyer , if the evidence is there.

Kat

[gbmy]

Originally posted by bookie



Many homes are broken into, some in broad daylight, and the persons responsible are never seen.

There has been nothing in any of the warrants that indicate the shower was used.

Cassidy wasn't protected too well since she was left in the home with her mother's dead body for God only knows how many hours. If Jason planned and committed this murder he could/would have planned it for a time that Cassidy wouldn't be left alone with a dead body for 12+ hours. [/*]
ITA....LE appears to be putting together a CE based case for premeditated murder with an apparent financial motive. Such a horrific crime scene that has all the markings of a rage based killing coupled with a small child in the house just doesn't seem to 'fit'.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by bookie



The Duke Rape case doesn't help your point. The police helped Nifong. They are the ones who put a lineup full of Duke players, with no fillers, in front of CM. They broke their own policy during that lineup to help Nifong manufacture evidence against 32 innocent boys. [/*]

And they were convicted? No, of course not. They were never brought to trial. The system worked.

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


Hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. The expert say that he puts his size 12s in an 8 1/2. Jason getting his 12s in a 10 would be no problem.

Ya'll take it easy.................. [/*]Sounds as though this case is a shoe in. :D

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by gbmy

ITA....LE appears to be putting together a CE based case for premeditated murder with an apparent financial motive. Such a horrific crime scene that has all the markings of a rage based killing coupled with a small child in the house just doesn't seem to 'fit'. [/*]

I don't think the motive was financial, JMO.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by bookie

Tell that to someone who has been convicted for a crime they didn't commit.

It's easy to try to throw that out there, rather than admit I was correct and you were not. It's OK, I've been battered by BS all day long.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Neo


Freedom was the motive, IMO. [/*]

There is another motive that Jason hinted at in a recent online posting but we are not allowed to mention it here because we don't have a link. ;)

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
And, no one can make themselves innocent by just hiding behind a lawyer , if the evidence is there.

Kat

Isn't that what your good buddy "Jay" is doing? Of course, no one but LE knows what the evidence is in this case, but it has been reported that Jason referred LE to his attorney from the get-go.

[gbmy]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I don't think the motive was financial, JMO. [/*]
Ok, then pick a different one. The point remains the same. The horrific crime scene coupled with a young child in the house doesn't seem to 'fit' a planned murder where the alleged perp had 2.5 final hours in the car to 'think' about how the plan would be executed. 'Possible', yes. But, I believe the more likely scenario is an unplanned murder where things got out of hand and rage took over.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Barbara2


And they were convicted? No, of course not. They were never brought to trial. The system worked. [/*]


They weren't convicted because their families had a ton of money and the resources to fight the corruption they were facing. Without that they'd probably be in prison right now, convicted for a crime they didn't commit because of a corrupt DA who had help from the police.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Neo

True. Thats why this case is taking so long. I believe LE wants no stone left unturned, no room for error. They want to be sure their case is solid.

It makes me wonder if they are double/triple checking some tests. Did the SBI run some labs, then send to the FBI to run the same tests for verification? There are probably hundreds of pages of test results that are in the DA's "case file" for review. Now that I think about it, no wonder it's taking so long to present to the Grand Jury.

[bookie]

Originally posted by enigma™


It's easy to try to throw that out there, rather than admit I was correct and you were not. It's OK, I've been battered by BS all day long. [/*]


You aren't correct but you'll never admit to being wrong. People who have been found guilty are guilty. They can proclaim their innocence but it doesn't do them a bit of good. People on boards like this one high five, clap, and cheer that "that lowlife murdering sob" is off the streets and wish for harm to come to them in general population.

The only BS I've seen attached to your posts was of your own making. You asked a question, got an answer then ignored it while claiming you never got one because you apparently didn't like the one you got.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by bookie



They weren't convicted because their families had a ton of money and the resources to fight the corruption they were facing. Without that they'd probably be in prison right now, convicted for a crime they didn't commit because of a corrupt DA who had help from the police. [/*]

I call BS on that too. It had nothing to do with money or family connections. It had to do with the fact that there was no case and there was a corrupt DA. We all saw what happened to him. (Good riddance!)

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Schatzie
Sounds as though this case is a shoe in. :D

Now that was funny.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I call BS on that too. It had nothing to do with money or family connections. It had to do with the fact that there was no case and there was a corrupt DA. We all saw what happened to him. (Good riddance!) [/*]


You can call bs all you like it doesn't change the facts. If those boys didnt' have rich families to help them out they'd have been tried for a crime that didn't happen. Do you honestly think that's the only case Nifong lied about? Not in a million years.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by gbmy

Ok, then pick a different one. The point remains the same. The horrific crime scene coupled with a young child in the house doesn't seem to 'fit' a planned murder where the alleged perp had 2.5 final hours in the car to 'think' about how the plan would be executed. 'Possible', yes. But, I believe the more likely scenario is an unplanned murder where things got out of hand and rage took over. [/*]

I'm sure you're familiar with the quote, "The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry". Things don't always work out like you think they will and sometimes you have to go with plan *. If you don't have a plan *, then it gets tricky. That is a likely scenario. IMO

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by bookie



You can call bs all you like it doesn't change the facts. If those boys didnt' have rich families to help them out they'd have been tried for a crime that didn't happen. Do you honestly think that's the only case Nifong lied about? Not in a million years. [/*]

I never thought those Duke boys did anything wrong from the get go. None of it added up. For those that thought they did (were you one of them?) you weren't paying attention. Sorry. Sad truth. That's not happening in the Young case. IMO.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by bookie
You aren't correct but you'll never admit to being wrong. People who have been found guilty are guilty. They can proclaim their innocence but it doesn't do them a bit of good. People on boards like this one high five, clap, and cheer that "that lowlife murdering sob" is off the streets and wish for harm to come to them in general population.

The only BS I've seen attached to your posts was of your own making. You asked a question, got an answer then ignored it while claiming you never got one because you apparently didn't like the one you got. [/*]

I was correct, you just won't admit it. As for the BS attached to my posts, I'm still waiting for an answer, but I've let it go. Too bad you won't do the same. :rolleyes:

The question I posed was: "who do you think will be arrested for this crime". I am not going to start this BS again. Why did you bring it up? Are you waiting for Kat's answer, too?

Add to that, you will never see me high 5, clap or cheer when someone is convicted for a crime they committed. Do not lump me into your apparently limited life experiences. Thanxxxxx!

[5swab5]

Originally posted by gbmy

ITA....LE appears to be putting together a CE based case for premeditated murder with an apparent financial motive. Such a horrific crime scene that has all the markings of a rage based killing coupled with a small child in the house just doesn't seem to 'fit'. [/*]

With the dog AND the child left unharmed.

Wonder who would care so much about that?

MOO

Swabby

[gbmy]

Originally posted by Neo


I think Jason did it, but I have always thought it was unplanned. Something happened, maybe Michelle found evidence he was cheating, and said she was leaving him. I think he drove home in a rage, confronted her and she was done. It was over. He lost it and beat her do death. Is that the scenario you are thinking? [/*]
Are you saying that you think when he left Raleigh for the Hampton Inn in Hillsville, VA he was not planning on driving back?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by 5swab5


With the dog AND the child left unharmed.

Wonder who would care so much about that?

MOO

Swabby [/*]

Interesting observation about dogs: even the sweetest, nicest dog can become very protective when their "family" is threatened by a stranger. I wonder why Mr. G was not blugeoned to death by this "stranger". I have to think that Mr. G would have come to protect his family. Why did these strangers not dispatch him the way they did the human?

[enigma™]

Has it been reported, or even rumored, what Jason's travel plans were? Was there a reservation for the HI made in advance, or did he really stop driving because he was tired? That is something I really would like to know about.

[gbmy]

Originally posted by 5swab5


With the dog AND the child left unharmed.

Wonder who would care so much about that?

MOO

Swabby [/*]
I wouldn't say that a person who leaves a small child alone in a house for 12+ hours knowing that she would find her mother dead in a pool of blood actually 'cares' about that child.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by enigma™
Has it been reported, or even rumored, what Jason's travel plans were. Was there a reservation for the HI made in advance, or did he really stop driving because he was tired? That is something I really would like to know about. [/*]

I think (believe, rumor) that he had a reservation. The family cover-up of him driving until he got tired was just that: a cover-up. IMO.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I never thought those Duke boys did anything wrong from the get go. None of it added up. For those that thought they did (were you one of them?) you weren't paying attention. Sorry. Sad truth. That's not happening in the Young case. IMO. [/*]



No I wasn't. And you don't know that it isn't happening in this case unless you are involved in the investigation.

[gbmy]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Interesting observation about dogs: even the sweetest, nicest dog can become very protective when their "family" is threatened by a stranger. I wonder why Mr. G was not blugeoned to death by this "stranger". I have to think that Mr. G would have come to protect his family. Why did these strangers not dispatch him the way they did the human? [/*]
Just because JY didn't do it, doesn't mean that a stranger did. There's just no info in the public domain to suggest another person that knew Michelle, the dog, the house, etc.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by gbmy

I wouldn't say that a person who leaves a small child alone in a house for 12+ hours knowing that she would find her mother dead in a pool of blood actually 'cares' about that child. [/*]

I agree. There are people that view their children/wives as possessions and give the outward appearances of caring but they really don't care. I think there are some that only want to hold onto those people but it's out of pride, not love. IMO.

[bookie]

Originally posted by enigma™


I was correct, you just won't admit it. As for the BS attached to my posts, I'm still waiting for an answer, but I've let it go. Too bad you won't do the same. :rolleyes:

The question I posed was: "who do you think will be arrested for this crime". I am not going to start this BS again. Why did you bring it up? Are you waiting for Kat's answer, too?

Add to that, you will never see me high 5, clap or cheer when someone is convicted for a crime they committed. Do not lump me into your apparently limited life experiences. Thanxxxxx! [/*]


You brought it up when you posted about bs. No I'm not waiting for Kat's answer since I read her answer the first time she posted it.

I didn't lump you into anything. People post, not animals, not obejects but people so there is no other way to phrase it. If you weren't one of the generic people I listed then it shouldn't bother you. Got a guilty conscience there?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by gbmy

Just because JY didn't do it, doesn't mean that a stranger did. There's just no info in the public domain to suggest another person that knew Michelle, the dog, the house, etc. [/*]

Means. motive, opportunity. The investigators have to follow that trail and come up with the evidence to convict. IMO

[gbmy]

Originally posted by Neo


Thats MY opinion. But I know its not popular among those who think Jason did it. Not that we bicker over it, its discussed a LOT though........I often think its simply because I can't imagine someone planning to murder their spouse. Maybe because thus far there has been no evidence of prior domestic violence? I listen to the evidence and go back and forth, but mostly, I think that something happened and Michelle had enough and Jason KNEW she was done with him for good. Maybe she found out about MM? I dunno. [/*]
This is all about expressing opinions that you believe stand a good chance of being truth. There will of course be people who disagree with you......maybe lots of them. But, your opinion is what it is.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by gbmy
I wouldn't say that a person who leaves a small child alone in a house for 12+ hours knowing that she would find her mother dead in a pool of blood actually 'cares' about that child.

I believe there was a call made, probably about 2.5 hours after the murderer left the scene of the crime, to have someone go fetch a print-out that would save Cassidy from wandering around that crime scene longer than necessary. I believe Barbara2 said it best when she said "the best laid plans..." Unfortunately for the murderer, the recipient of that call didn't go fetch as soon as the request was received. MUO

[gbmy]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Means. motive, opportunity. The investigators have to follow that trail and come up with the evidence to convict. IMO [/*]
agree.......There were others who knew Michelle and the dog.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by bookie




No I wasn't. And you don't know that it isn't happening in this case unless you are involved in the investigation. [/*]

You need to do better than that or you will be ignored. Not that I'll put you on "ignore". I value everyone's opinion but you need to do more than post juvenile comebacks. IMO.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Barbara2

I think (believe, rumor) that he had a reservation. The family cover-up of him driving until he got tired was just that: a cover-up. IMO.

Thanks, that helps put things in perspective a bit more.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Cardinal


We're all anxious to hear your "first" impression, shack. :biggrin:



DNA Question: Is comma placement genetic? [/*]

Oh no, another poster posting in the silver color? Do you know how hard that is on the eyes to read? Or do you just not want anyone to see what you are saying?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by gbmy

agree.......There were others who knew Michelle and the dog. [/*]

Exactly! But match up the motive, means and opportunity with that particular night and tell me what you come up with.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Barbara2


You need to do better than that or you will be ignored. Not that I'll put you on "ignore". I value everyone's opinion but you need to do more than post juvenile comebacks. IMO. [/*]


It wasn't a juvenile comeback. It's the truth. You aren't a part of the investigation so you have no clue what is going on behind the scenes. Put me on ignore or scroll past my posts. Either way I won't be out anything by you ignoring me.

[gbmy]

Originally posted by enigma™


I believe there was a call made, probably about 2.5 hours after the murderer left the scene of the crime, to have someone go fetch a print-out that would save Cassidy from wandering around that crime scene longer than necessary. I believe Barbara2 said it best when she said "the best laid plans..." Unfortunately for the murderer, the recipient of that call didn't go fetch as soon as the request was received. MUO [/*]
Help me understand a little more about what you're saying. LE asserts that JY left the hotel around midnight. Mapquest says Birchleaf is 2.5 hours from the Hampton Inn in Hillsville, VA. Many, including Barbara2, says that Mapquest typically says it'll take longer than it really does. But, let's assume 2.5 hours. That puts him there at 2:30am. So, what is your theory about the time the murder occurred and JY left the house?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by bookie



It wasn't a juvenile comeback. It's the truth. You aren't a part of the investigation so you have no clue what is going on behind the scenes. Put me on ignore or scroll past my posts. Either way I won't be out anything by you ignoring me. [/*]

Done! :)

[bookie]

Originally posted by gbmy

agree.......There were others who knew Michelle and the dog. [/*]

And others that we don't know about who may have had motive, means and opportunity.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by bookie
You brought it up when you posted about bs. No I'm not waiting for Kat's answer since I read her answer the first time she posted it.

I didn't lump you into anything. People post, not animals, not obejects but people so there is no other way to phrase it. If you weren't one of the generic people I listed then it shouldn't bother you. Got a guilty conscience there?

RIF! I did not bring it up. YOU brought it up and once again I'm not taking your stinky bait. I believe I'll make you my first "ignored" poster. I have no guilt about anything, why should I? I didn't murder anyone. Good Lord, you are truly deficient in reading comprehension. Don't bother posting to me, I will not be responding.

[bookie]

Originally posted by enigma™


RIF! I did not bring it up. YOU brought it up and once again I'm not taking your stinky bait. I believe I'll make you my first "ignored" poster. I have no guilt about anything, why should I? I didn't murder anyone. Good Lord, you are truly deficient in reading comprehension. Don't bother posting to me, I will not be responding. [/*]


You got offended by my mentioning people, no names, no descriptions of the people. If you weren't one of the nicless generic people then you shouldn't have been offended.

If I had a dime for everytime someone said they wouldn't be responding then did I'd never have to work again.

:lol:

[bookie]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


You keep missing the point.

The expert can put his own size 12 foot in an 8 1/2 size shoe.
This means JY can put his 12 in a 10.

THIS IS THE POINT!!!!!

The expert did not say that he puts his own size 12 foot in an altered 8 1/2 shoe. [/*]


It's meaningless if someone put their size 10 foot in a size 12 shoe and left that impression.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by bookie



They weren't convicted because their families had a ton of money and the resources to fight the corruption they were facing. Without that they'd probably be in prison right now, convicted for a crime they didn't commit because of a corrupt DA who had help from the police. [/*]


They were ALSO innocent! They made NO qualms about it, they went on "60 Minutes" within hours of the initial charges and they were SCREAMING from the rooftops that they were innocent, until they were officially cleared.

Of course, IF Pat wants to sink ALL her working years' worth of achievements into a son that won't even talk to investigators, then so be it.

See how the system works?

MOO
Swabby

[enigma™]

Originally posted by gbmy

Help me understand a little more about what you're saying. LE asserts that JY left the hotel around midnight. Mapquest says Birchleaf is 2.5 hours from the Hampton Inn in Hillsville, VA. Many, including Barbara2, says that Mapquest typically says it'll take longer than it really does. But, let's assume 2.5 hours. That puts him there at 2:30am. So, what is your theory about the time the murder occurred and JY left the house?

The time of the murder is inconsequential to what I was trying to convey. It is my thought that the murderer (you said JY, I agree) left the house sometime between 4 and 5 in the morning (NYT carrier adds credence to this). His arrival in Hillsville to call Meredith and get a local ping is what I was trying to put out there. If talk is true, Meredith received a voicemail around 7:30 in the morning. I suppose that has me believing Jason departed Raleigh to return to Hillsville at approximately 5 in the morning. The phone records will be quite telling.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Neo


The size 10 shoe is really nothing compared to the big picture. You will see. [/*]


If the size 10 shoe is the same foot as the other shoe impression it will have reasonable doubt all over it if LE can't tie it to Jason. It will be a big part of the trial you and others seem to think is in Jason's future.

[gbmy]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Exactly! But match up the motive, means and opportunity with that particular night and tell me what you come up with. [/*]
The only information in the public domain is around JY. So, I of course am not privy to any other information where I'd be able to match up motive, means, and oppty. I could offer wild speculation, but that's not my style.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by 5swab5



They were ALSO innocent! They made NO qualms about it, they went on "60 Minutes" within hours of the initial charges and they were SCREAMING from the rooftops that they were innocent, until they were officially cleared.

Of course, IF Pat wants to sink ALL her working years' worth of achievements into a son that won't even talk to investigators, then so be it.

See how the system works?

MOO
Swabby [/*]Right and the accused made no public statements until AFTER they were indicted, arrested and charged.

See how the system works? :cool:

[bookie]

Originally posted by alter ego
Right and the accused made no public statements until AFTER they were indicted, arrested and charged.

See how the system works? :cool: [/*]


And atleast one had an airtight alibi complete with ATM photos but it didn't stop the police and DA from arresting and charging him.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


You keep missing the point.

The expert can put his own size 12 foot in an 8 1/2 size shoe.
This means JY can put his 12 in a 10.

THIS IS THE POINT!!!!!

The expert did not say that he puts his own size 12 foot in an altered 8 1/2 shoe. [/*]

No, it doesn't. :D

The expert said the accused put his foot in an altered shoe. Then the Pros said the smaller shoe print might not even be related to the crime. :shrug:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by bookie



And atleast one had an airtight alibi complete with ATM photos but it didn't stop the police and DA from arresting and charging him. [/*]And in this case there is a shaky alibi, but no indictment has been made.

Then again, we don't have a DA shooting off his mouth in this case.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Neo


The size 10 shoe is really nothing compared to the big picture. You will see. [/*]Oh, I wouldn't be so sure about that.
You will see.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by bookie


And others that we don't know about who may have had motive, means and opportunity. [/*]


Funny you should mention that.

I'm sure that Harrison and the original investigators were hoping that Jason could assisst in small details just like this.

BUT, alas we will never know. Jason chose to obtain an Attorney and (CLICK) instead.

What a GUY!

MOO

Swabby

[gbmy]

Originally posted by enigma™


The time of the murder is inconsequential to what I was trying to convey. It is my thought that the murderer (you said JY, I agree) left the house sometime between 4 and 5 in the morning (NYT carrier adds credence to this). His arrival in Hillsville to call Meredith and get a local ping is what I was trying to put out there. If talk is true, Meredith received a voicemail around 7:30 in the morning. I suppose that has me believing Jason departed Raleigh to return to Hillsville at approximately 5 in the morning. The phone records will be quite telling. [/*]
I think it is consequential. The earlier he left the house, the less likely your assertion that he called approx. 2.5 hours later (ie call would have been 'too early'). The later he left, the less likely he would have gotten to his final destination in the Duffield, VA area anywhere's near when he was expected there. Now, I realize we don't know 'for sure' that he had a meeting and we don't know 'for sure' what time that meeting was.......

AThe 7:30am alleged call to MF is totally new news to me and unless you have a link, then it's baseless speculation. I don't think some sort of business engagement that would explain his 'trip' is baseless speculation. It's more likely than not IMO.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by bookie


And others that we don't know about who may have had motive, means and opportunity. [/*]And size 10 shoes :)

[alter ego]

Originally posted by 5swab5



Funny you should mention that.

I'm sure that Harrison and the original investigators were hoping that Jason could assisst in small details just like this.

BUT, alas we will never know. Jason chose to obtain an Attorney and (CLICK) instead.

What a GUY!

MOO

Swabby [/*]"every thing you say can and WILL be held against you in a court of law"

[gbmy]

Originally posted by Neo


Its a message board. You can offer your theories! [/*]
Agree......My personal preference is to state my opinions and theories that are directly based on information in warrants and other established 'facts'. As you say, those who choose to offer speculation based on speculation, etc. are free to do so since it is a message board.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by 5swab5


With the dog AND the child left unharmed.

Wonder who would care so much about that?

MOO

Swabby [/*]It could be possible that the perp didn't know the child was in the house.

[gbmy]

Originally posted by 5swab5



Funny you should mention that.

I'm sure that Harrison and the original investigators were hoping that Jason could assisst in small details just like this.

BUT, alas we will never know. Jason chose to obtain an Attorney and (CLICK) instead.

What a GUY!

MOO

Swabby [/*]
This is the 'what does it mean if you talk/cooperate vs. remaining silent' discussion. I don't have any new information to offer on this topic that hasn't already been repeated over and over again.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by enigma™


The time of the murder is inconsequential to what I was trying to convey. It is my thought that the murderer (you said JY, I agree) left the house sometime between 4 and 5 in the morning (NYT carrier adds credence to this). His arrival in Hillsville to call Meredith and get a local ping is what I was trying to put out there. If talk is true, Meredith received a voicemail around 7:30 in the morning. I suppose that has me believing Jason departed Raleigh to return to Hillsville at approximately 5 in the morning. The phone records will be quite telling. [/*]

AMEN!

I am a firm believer in following the finances.

The extra lady,

And the phone pings.

- - - - - - - - - - -- -- -- - - - >Jason! Ta DAH!

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by alter ego
Right and the accused made no public statements until AFTER they were indicted, arrested and charged.

See how the system works? :cool: [/*]

Yep, Yep, Yep!

BUT, the INNOCENT guys could talk to the world all they wanted. Even those very young (no pun intended) men didn't need their mommies to run interference for them.

MOO

Swabby

[gbmy]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Yep, Yep, Yep!

BUT, the INNOCENT guys could talk to the world all they wanted. Even those very young (no pun intended) men didn't need their mommies to run interference for them.

MOO

Swabby [/*]
Brad Cooper is talking and cooperating. Does that suggest innocence to you?

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by gbmy

Brad Cooper is talking and cooperating. Does that suggest innocence to you? [/*]And the case is moving along -WRAL-police chief.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by alter ego
Right and the accused made no public statements until AFTER they were indicted, arrested and charged.

See how the system works? :cool: [/*]

What I see is a "man" that has skeddadled back to the bosom of his mommie and is pretending that Michelle never existed.

MOO

Swabby


Sorry excuse for a father to Cassidy. IMO!

[alter ego]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Yep, Yep, Yep!

BUT, the INNOCENT guys could talk to the world all they wanted. Even those very young (no pun intended) men didn't need their mommies to run interference for them.

MOO

Swabby [/*]Not if they follow their atty's advice and decline to discuss anything.

What makes you think Mrs Young did anything at JY's behest? I can't imagine being in her or Mrs Fisher's shoes.

[bookie]

Originally posted by 5swab5



Funny you should mention that.

I'm sure that Harrison and the original investigators were hoping that Jason could assisst in small details just like this.

BUT, alas we will never know. Jason chose to obtain an Attorney and (CLICK) instead.

What a GUY!

MOO

Swabby [/*]


He talked to police for about an hour that first day according to old Donnie in early reports. Then almost 2 years later we find out he confirmed to police that he had a storage unit according to the 2/14 s/w. Too bad we'll never know exactly what the police said to him that caused him to hang up on them.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by 5swab5


What I see is a "man" that has skeddadled back to the bosom of his mommie and is pretending that Michelle never existed.

MOO

Swabby


Sorry excuse for a father to Cassidy. IMO! [/*]
What's he supposed to do, pine away? He has to be a father to his daughter and he has to be strong for her.

And it wouldn't matter what he did or didn't do - he would be bashed to hell for it.

[bookie]

Originally posted by alter ego

What's he supposed to do, pine away? He has to be a father to his daughter and he has to be strong for her.

And it wouldn't matter what he did or didn't do - he would be bashed to hell for it. [/*]


Absolutely. He was bashed for falling to his knees, wearing a red tie to the funeral, wearing sunglasses to the funeral and Lord only knows what else.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by bookie



He talked to police for about an hour that first day according to old Donnie in early reports. Then almost 2 years later we find out he confirmed to police that he had a storage unit according to the 2/14 s/w. Too bad we'll never know exactly what the police said to him that caused him to hang up on them. [/*]If he told them he wouldn't talk to them w/o an atty they should have ended the convo, instead they said 'something' and that caused JY to hang up. Once someone invokes, the convo is over.

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by bookie



Absolutely. He was bashed for falling to his knees, wearing a red tie to the funeral, wearing sunglasses to the funeral and Lord only knows what else. [/*]For killing his wife-that's what else. :flamemad: