Michelle Young 8/27/08

[alter ego]

Originally posted by gbmy

Brad Cooper is talking and cooperating. Does that suggest innocence to you? [/*]As did Susan Smith.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Schatzie
For killing his wife-that's what else. :flamemad: [/*]When was the trial :confused:

[bookie]

Originally posted by Schatzie
For killing his wife-that's what else. :flamemad: [/*]


With no evidence that he killed her. Boy I'm glad I don't live in your world.

[bookie]

Originally posted by alter ego
As did Susan Smith. [/*]


And Cynthia Sommers.

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by bookie



With no evidence that he killed her. Boy I'm glad I don't live in your world. [/*]Me Too!

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by alter ego
As did Susan Smith. [/*] Hacking included-don't remember his first name.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Schatzie
Hacking included-don't remember his first name. [/*]


Colin Finnerty, Reade Seligmann and Dave Evans.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by bookie



Colin Finnerty, Reade Seligmann and Dave Evans. [/*]

Most everyone talks. That's how they get caught. ;)

[Sparrow]

Originally posted by alter ego
If he told them he wouldn't talk to them w/o an atty they should have ended the convo, instead they said 'something' and that caused JY to hang up. Once someone invokes, the convo is over. [/*]

That's a baseless accusation against LE. Jason said that he wouldn't talk without his attorney and ended the call by hanging up.

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by alter ego
As did Susan Smith. [/*]As did others.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Sparrow


That's a baseless accusation against LE. Jason said that he wouldn't talk without his attorney and ended the call by hanging up. [/*]It's not baseless at all as the SW says the call ended when JY hung up on the detective who was speaking to him. :read:

[bookie]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Most everyone talks. That's how they get caught. ;) [/*]


All of the ones I have named are innocent. According to the police the 3 quoted here weren't cooperating.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by bookie



All of the ones I have named are innocent. According to the police the 3 quoted here weren't cooperating. [/*]

I never heard of the ones you mentioned. I was going by others saying Hacking and Susan Smith.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Most everyone talks. That's how they get caught. ;) [/*]
Not always caught - some are coerced. Innocent people who talked have been convicted.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by bookie



All of the ones I have named are innocent. According to the police the 3 quoted here weren't cooperating. [/*]Isaac Anderson didn't cooperate and he was acquitted.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by bookie



He talked to police for about an hour that first day according to old Donnie in early reports. Then almost 2 years later we find out he confirmed to police that he had a storage unit according to the 2/14 s/w. Too bad we'll never know exactly what the police said to him that caused him to hang up on them. [/*]


LOL!

An hour? Bull!

Which part of the PC in the SW executed in Feb. do you not understand?


..He refused to come to the scene or to continue speaking with investigators. The conversation concludes with Jason Young hanging up on the investigator who is speaking with him. Jason Young reportedly obtained legal counsel on or about Nov.6th 2006. Despite being requested to do so, he has not spoken with anyone from the Wake County Sheriff's Office since.

When, pray tell did all this yackety-yack take place?

MOO

Swabby

[bookie]

Originally posted by annalyzer


I never heard of the ones you mentioned. I was going by others saying Hacking and Susan Smith. [/*]


They were the Duke students. The police and Nifong claimed they were hiding behind a shield and not cooperating with the investigation.

[bookie]

Originally posted by 5swab5



LOL!

An hour? Bull!

Which part of the PC in the SW executed in Feb. do you not understand?


..He refused to come to the scene or to continue speaking with investigators. The conversation concludes with Jason Young hanging up on the investigator who is speaking with him. Jason Young reportedly obtained legal counsel on or about Nov.6th 2006. Despite being requested to do so, he has not spoken with anyone from the Wake County Sheriff's Office since.

When, pray tell did all this yackety-yack take place?

MOO

Swabby [/*]

Where in there does it say how long he talked to police? Oh....it doesn't. So was old Donnie lying way back in the beginning or did he lie when trying to get the warrant?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by bookie



They were the Duke students. The police and Nifong claimed they were hiding behind a shield and not cooperating with the investigation. [/*]

That was a farce. I don't know of anyone that thought they were guilty.

[bookie]

Originally posted by annalyzer


That was a farce. I don't know of anyone that thought they were guilty. [/*]


Quite a few posters here did.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by alter ego

What's he supposed to do, pine away? He has to be a father to his daughter and he has to be strong for her.

And it wouldn't matter what he did or didn't do - he would be bashed to hell for it. [/*]

Well, he could start by setting a good example for Cassidy. Real men don't hide. Regardless of what the Courts ultimately do to him and exactly what Cassidy remembers, He WILL have to answer to her someday!

Some like to say that he is grieving...I have seen ZERO evidence of that and he has kept Cassidy away from all the celebrations of Michelle's life.

He has had almost two years, yet he still has Cassidy camped out at his mom's house? Betcha! Michelle would have had them relocated and integrating back into society by now) if only the situation were reversed.

MOO

Swabby


POOR, Poor, Poor Cassidy! :rose:

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by 5swab5


POOR, Poor, Poor Cassidy! :rose: [/*]

ITA She has been through so much.

[BiggerRedDog]

Originally posted by annalyzer ITA She has been through so much. [/*]And, I fear, she has much to still go through.

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by alter ego
When was the trial :confused: [/*]RE:read:

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by bookie


And others that we don't know about who may have had motive, means and opportunity. [/*]One being JLY-had all 3.

[gbmy]

Originally posted by Schatzie
And the case is moving along -WRAL-police chief. [/*]
You replied to my question with a statement vs. an answer. Do you have an opinion on the answer? The question was, Brad Cooper is talking and cooperating. Does this suggest innocence?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by gbmy

You replied to my question with a statement vs. an answer. Do you have an opinion on the answer? The question was, Brad Cooper is talking and cooperating. Does this suggest innocence? [/*]

I would have to see him a few times professing his innocence before I decided. Stephen Grant did and each time his eyes got bigger until he looked like a complete psycho and that was right before they found his wife's torso in the garage. :eek:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Well, he could start by setting a good example for Cassidy. Real men don't hide. Regardless of what the Courts ultimately do to him and exactly what Cassidy remembers, He WILL have to answer to her someday!

Some like to say that he is grieving...I have seen ZERO evidence of that and he has kept Cassidy away from all the celebrations of Michelle's life.

He has had almost two years, yet he still has Cassidy camped out at his mom's house? Betcha! Michelle would have had them relocated and integrating back into society by now) if only the situation were reversed.

MOO

Swabby


POOR, Poor, Poor Cassidy! :rose: [/*]Not sure why you think he is 'hiding'.

He hasn't been at his mom's house the whole time, he was at his sister's house until recently.

Integrated back into society? They aren't living in a cellar :shrug:

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by gbmy

You replied to my question with a statement vs. an answer. Do you have an opinion on the answer? The question was, Brad Cooper is talking and cooperating. Does this suggest innocence? [/*]NO!!!!!!!!!! He & JLY might walk into Central together. One can only hope.

[bookie]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


Where have you been? Brad Cooper lawyered up. He may have given a little half hearted appearance of helping at the start (maybe he did learn a little something from how Jason Young's PR mistake) but that's changed now. [/*]


Police have said from day one that Brad Cooper cooperated fully. He allowed them to search his home, cars and person and he has answered their questions.

Then you have the Duke Lacrosse boys. They also cooperated fully from day one but the police told the world that they weren't cooperating and were hiding behind the lacrosse team shield.

And now almost 2 years later we read in a s/w application that Jason confirmed to police that he had a storage unit. I wonder what else he confirmed to them that they haven't admitted? Maybe he cooperated more than the police have let on.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Neo


Interesting!

"Search warrants indicate Michelle Young's husband, Jason Young, was having an extramarital affair, and there were financial strains in the marriage." [/*]


ROFLMAO. The s/w application doesn't say anything about an extramarital affair.

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC
http://www.ncwanted.com/

This is a new story about the 4 unsolved domestic related homicide cases in the Raleigh area. [/*]I have always felt that J. Nielson's husband killed her, When interviewed he was calm -no tears- & said how much she loved delivering papers. She was pregnant & they needed the $. Papers are heavy. He should have worked 2 jobs so she could take care of the other 2 & herself. She had no $ on her & I don't think was raped. Granted the area near the Farmers' Market is not great but if $ was the reason someone could have just asked for it showing the weapon. Susan Smith was more convincing with her pretend crying..

[bookie]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


Do you make a habit out of comparing apples to oranges? [/*]



How do you figure Michelle and Nancy Cooper are apples and oranges? Two dead women, one husband cooperating fully, the other police say isn't. The Duke case shows that police aren't always honest when they say a suspect isn't cooperating....police in the same general area btw.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Schatzie
I have always felt that J. Nielson's husband killed her, [/*]

That would be my guess also unless he had an absolute alibi. Being home with the kids doesn't cut it with me. They were most likely asleep.

[bookie]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


That's not what it says. It says they found a receipt during the search and PAT YOUNG confirmed that there was a storage unit..... Wow, someone is not comprehending what they read. [/*]



I think you should go back and read it real sloooowly. It says Jason confirmed the storage unit. It looks like you are the one not comprehending.


In addition, Jason Young later confirmed that he was renting the storage space and he was utilizing it for storage of work related items.

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/youngwarrants.pdf

[bookie]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


LATER......Yes

However, this was not something that he "volunteered". It merely acknowledged it after it was already known. The cops found the receipt and Pat confirmed it. I don't think this would pass as him being cooperative and leading the charge in the investigation of his wife' murder.

He doesn't care. He's not helping. He know who did it. It's him. [/*]


Since he rented it AFTER the crime scene had been released why would he need to volunteer it? Does he need to volunteer to police when he buys milk? What if he buys a shirt? Or pants?

He confirmed it to the police. In order to do that he had to speak TO them.....something they claim he won't do. And this is where my Duke case comparison comes in. The police said they wouldn't cooperate and the police were lying. The police in this case claim Jason won't talk to them but we find out he did sometime in the last 6 months or so. What else did he talk to them about?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


LATER......Yes

However, this was not something that he "volunteered". It merely acknowledged it after it was already known. The cops found the receipt and Pat confirmed it. I don't think this would pass as him being cooperative and leading the charge in the investigation of his wife' murder.

He doesn't care. He's not helping. He know who did it. It's him. [/*]And he shouldn't 'lead the charge' in the investigation as that is LE's job.

If you have such an issue with constitional rights, why don't start a grass roots movement to have them removed?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


When the cops say he will not talk to them and is not cooperating, I think you now what they mean. I hope I'm not giving you more credit than you deserve .

Answering a question about a storage unit where the answer is already known. Wow, Jason is a saint. When is the parade. [/*]I sure do, they want to use whatever he says against him.

If the answer was already known, then why did JY have to confirm?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


That's not what it says. It says they found a receipt during the search and PAT YOUNG confirmed that there was a storage unit..... Wow, someone is not comprehending what they read. [/*]Yeah and that someone is you. :tongue:

[bookie]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


When the cops say he will not talk to them and is not cooperating, I think you now what they mean. I hope I'm not giving you more credit than you deserve .

Answering a question about a storage unit where the answer is already known. Wow, Jason is a saint. When is the parade. [/*]


The police have been caught in a lie. He talked to them when they have been saying he wouldn't. Was anything more said during that conversation? We won't know since the police can't seem to get those types of details right.

[bookie]

Originally posted by alter ego
Yeah and that someone is you. :tongue: [/*]


That post was hilarious wasn't it?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


I just found a hair. Would you mind splitting it for me? [/*]

aren't you capable of multi-tasking?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


Yea, "hiding" is not the best description. I would describe it as "avoiding". He is avoiding his responsibility as a husband, a father, a man, an honest citizen, and on and on and on. Thank god that most men, husbands, and sons have more honor and integrity that Jason Young. He is a disgraceful human being. What real man would allow any member of his family to suffer a death like Michelle's and not feel compelled to help in the investigation in any way that he could. If he loved Michelle as mush as some of you say, how in the world could a lawyer stop him from doing whatever it took to assist in the investigation? Why would he not man up and go to the cops and say, "grill me, investigate me, give me a polygraph, I don't care. All I want is my wife's murder solved." Well, let's be honest. We know the answer to that question. He is responsible for her murder. Either that, or in Michelle's greatest time of need, he has decided to abandon her. [/*]
:rolleyes:

more like his atty told him not to talk and he heeded that advice.

Of course that isn't as dramatic.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Neo


Interesting!

"Search warrants indicate Michelle Young's husband, Jason Young, was having an extramarital affair, and there were financial strains in the marriage." [/*]:lol:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by bookie



ROFLMAO. The s/w application doesn't say anything about an extramarital affair. [/*]But a 'publication' would have to have some journalistic standards to recognize that. That rag has none.

[bookie]

Originally posted by alter ego
But a 'publication' would have to have some journalistic standards to recognize that. That rag has none. [/*]


Very true.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by alter ego
But a 'publication' would have to have some journalistic standards to recognize that. That rag has none. [/*]

Which is why it's a rag. I doubt it has many viewers.

[annalyzer]

O/T DNA has confirmed Caylee Anthony is dead. :rose:

[bookie]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC

snipped out the trash

God bless all of you. You're going to need it. Bye.................. [/*]


I'm proud to be one of the few around here who want evidence that someone is guilty of a crime. I'm proud that I'm not like you who sees half a picture and declares someone guilty. And I hope you NEVER sit on ANY jury. Some poor fool would probably end up on death row with no evidence.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC
I really am starting to wonder about people's morals, ethics, and decency. How people, that I 'm sure look and act like everyone else, can condone and defend someone like Jason Young is unimaginable. Talk about not knowing "what evil lurks in the hearts of men".

I hope that if I'm ever choking in a restaurant that people better than you are sitting close by. I now understand how women are brutally attacked in the streets, scream for help, and no one calls 911 or comes running to their aid. It's because they are like you guys.

If you can support Jason and his actions then there is nothing that you will not overlook, deny, or dispute. What a sad example of how we have declined as a people. Our moral compass is broken and quite possibly cannot be repaired. Social decency is dead when a husband will not defend his own wife's murder and people think that it's OK.

God bless all of you. You're going to need it. Bye.................. [/*]

Are you really leaving or is this just more of your drama?

Your sanctimonious hypocrisy won't be missed, imvho.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by bookie



I'm proud to be one of the few around here who want evidence that someone is guilty of a crime. I'm proud that I'm not like you who sees half a picture and declares someone guilty. And I hope you NEVER sit on ANY jury. Some poor fool would probably end up on death row with no evidence. [/*]

I'm with you. I want the person responsible for this crime to be arrested and convicted.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Hiller


You don't need to be so rude. BSN posted a link to a story and you and the others have done nothing but attack the poster since this morning. [/*]



BSN was not only rude but insulted my comprehension skills when s/he was wrong but as usual around here you missed all of that and honed in on my post. You get what you give. :punch:

[bookie]

Originally posted by onederwomyn
I get what BSN is getting at....

A lawyer may advise that he doesn't speak. But, it's just that -- advice. If he really had nothing to do with it, why not scrap that advice to try to HELP figure out what happened that night and what brought his happy family to a screeching halt?

He wouldn't be the first to not take the advice. I am not saying he is guilty. I am just saying, it would look better for him if he would HELP just a bit more... [/*]



The police focused on him from day one. We don't know what was said during the phone call but we have heard that his friends warned him about the police before he even got back into town so that tells me the police were showing some hostility. Following his attorneys advice was most likely the best course.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Celiarun


I'm with you. I want the person responsible for this crime to be arrested and convicted. [/*]


With real evidence, not rumors and gossip and half baked theories.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by onederwomyn
I get what BSN is getting at....

A lawyer may advise that he doesn't speak. But, it's just that -- advice. If he really had nothing to do with it, why not scrap that advice to try to HELP figure out what happened that night and what brought his happy family to a screeching halt?

He wouldn't be the first to not take the advice. I am not saying he is guilty. I am just saying, it would look better for him if he would HELP just a bit more... [/*]

Look better to whom? Strangers hiding behind nicknames on the Internet that are throwing insults into cyberspace?

Why bother to pay for a lawyer if you're not going to follow his professional advice? Especially in a matter that could cost him his life? That would be really stupid, imvho.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Neo


Uh, I don't think an arrest could be made on gossip and half baked theories..........do you???

Thanxxxxxxx [/*]


I can name 3 that were arrested in North Carolina on half baked theories and lies and not a shred of evidence. The special investigator that eventually dropped the charges admitted there was no indication a crime had ever occured.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC
I really am starting to wonder about people's morals, ethics, and decency. How people, that I 'm sure look and act like everyone else, can condone and defend someone like Jason Young is unimaginable. Talk about not knowing "what evil lurks in the hearts of men".

I hope that if I'm ever choking in a restaurant that people better than you are sitting close by. I now understand how women are brutally attacked in the streets, scream for help, and no one calls 911 or comes running to their aid. It's because they are like you guys.

If you can support Jason and his actions then there is nothing that you will not overlook, deny, or dispute. What a sad example of how we have declined as a people. Our moral compass is broken and quite possibly cannot be repaired. Social decency is dead when a husband will not defend his own wife's murder and people think that it's OK.

God bless all of you. You're going to need it. Bye.................. [/*]



:beer:

[Sparrow]

Originally posted by onederwomyn
I get what BSN is getting at....

A lawyer may advise that he doesn't speak. But, it's just that -- advice. If he really had nothing to do with it, why not scrap that advice to try to HELP figure out what happened that night and what brought his happy family to a screeching halt?

He wouldn't be the first to not take the advice. I am not saying he is guilty. I am just saying, it would look better for him if he would HELP just a bit more... [/*]

I'm sure Jason's attorney advised him in the beginning to keep his mouth shut. Since then, he's probable advised him to seek a plea deal to avoid the death penalty. Maybe that's why Smith isn't his attorney anymore.

[Sparrow]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Look better to whom? Strangers hiding behind nicknames on the Internet that are throwing insults into cyberspace?

Why bother to pay for a lawyer if you're not going to follow his professional advice? Especially in a matter that could cost him his life? That would be really stupid, imvho. [/*]

If his attorney advised him to seek a plea bargain for a reduced sentence, would you still feel it would be stupid for him to ignore such professional advice?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Sparrow


I'm sure Jason's attorney advised him in the beginning to keep his mouth shut. Since then, he's probable advised him to seek a plea deal to avoid the death penalty. Maybe that's why Smith isn't his attorney anymore. [/*]Huh? Plea deal for what? He hasn't even been indicted, let alone charged.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC
I really am starting to wonder about people's morals, ethics, and decency. How people, that I 'm sure look and act like everyone else, can condone and defend someone like Jason Young is unimaginable. Talk about not knowing "what evil lurks in the hearts of men".

I hope that if I'm ever choking in a restaurant that people better than you are sitting close by. I now understand how women are brutally attacked in the streets, scream for help, and no one calls 911 or comes running to their aid. It's because they are like you guys.

If you can support Jason and his actions then there is nothing that you will not overlook, deny, or dispute. What a sad example of how we have declined as a people. Our moral compass is broken and quite possibly cannot be repaired. Social decency is dead when a husband will not defend his own wife's murder and people think that it's OK.

God bless all of you. You're going to need it. Bye.................. [/*]

Hope you don't get a nose bleed up there on that high horse of yours.

jeeez.

:rolleyes:

[Sparrow]

Originally posted by alter ego
Huh? Plea deal for what? He hasn't even been indicted, let alone charged. [/*]

By the time he's indicted, it will be too late for him to try to negotiate a plea deal.

[Sparrow]

I'll put alter ego down for a NO. What abuot you Celiarun?

If his attorney advised him to seek a plea bargain for a reduced sentence, would you still feel it would be stupid for him to ignore such professional advice?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by onederwomyn
I get what BSN is getting at....

A lawyer may advise that he doesn't speak. But, it's just that -- advice. If he really had nothing to do with it, why not scrap that advice to try to HELP figure out what happened that night and what brought his happy family to a screeching halt?

He wouldn't be the first to not take the advice. I am not saying he is guilty. I am just saying, it would look better for him if he would HELP just a bit more... [/*]because everything you say can and will be held against you.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Sparrow


By the time he's indicted, it will be too late for him to try to negotiate a plea deal. [/*]Huh? If he isn't charged, there is nothing to base any plea deal on.

[gbmy]

Originally posted by annalyzer


I would have to see him a few times professing his innocence before I decided. Stephen Grant did and each time his eyes got bigger until he looked like a complete psycho and that was right before they found his wife's torso in the garage. :eek: [/*]
And therein lies the rub. Once someone talks, their words are parsed. Their mannerisms are scrutinized. Their personality traits, which could include nervousness could be misinterpreted.

[gbmy]

Originally posted by Schatzie
NO!!!!!!!!!! He & JLY might walk into Central together. One can only hope. [/*]
So, he's guilty and he's talking. Why would he do that?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Sparrow
I'll put alter ego down for a NO. What abuot you Celiarun?

If his attorney advised him to seek a plea bargain for a reduced sentence, would you still feel it would be stupid for him to ignore such professional advice? [/*]A plea wouldn't be sought unless charges were filed. If you want to rephrase the context of your question, I will happy to answer.

[Sparrow]

Originally posted by alter ego
A plea wouldn't be sought unless charges were filed. If you want to rephrase the context of your question, I will happy to answer. [/*]

Get with the program, alter. These things are hashed out all the time before charges are filed. If you don't want to offer an opinion of the stupidity of following attorney's advice, that's fine. The question needs no rephrasing.

[gbmy]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC
I really am starting to wonder about people's morals, ethics, and decency. How people, that I 'm sure look and act like everyone else, can condone and defend someone like Jason Young is unimaginable. Talk about not knowing "what evil lurks in the hearts of men".

I hope that if I'm ever choking in a restaurant that people better than you are sitting close by. I now understand how women are brutally attacked in the streets, scream for help, and no one calls 911 or comes running to their aid. It's because they are like you guys.

If you can support Jason and his actions then there is nothing that you will not overlook, deny, or dispute. What a sad example of how we have declined as a people. Our moral compass is broken and quite possibly cannot be repaired. Social decency is dead when a husband will not defend his own wife's murder and people think that it's OK.

God bless all of you. You're going to need it. Bye.................. [/*]
In America, when you're arrested and charged with a crime, you're innocent until proven guilty. Here, we have a guy who after 2 years of intense investigation hasn't even been arrested and you're questioning the morals/ethics/decency of those people who believe he's innocent? If so, then you entitled to that opinion.

[Marcia3]

I have run the full gamet on this one...I started out believing that JY was innocent of this crime, then jumped on the bandwagon that he had killed MY. Now I don't know. Well, admittedly, I didn't know before, but after two years of investigation and still no arrest...gotta wonder if it wasn't someone else who killed MY and her unborn child.

Yes, I get that JY had motive and opportunity. But still no indictment after all of this time? And from what I can tell, LE has focused on him since the crime was discovered.

At any rate, I would not want to be in his position right now. If he is indeed innocent, how horrible to have to live with suspicion hanging over your head every single hour! As his child grows, will she be subject to whispers and innuendo about her father?

Sorry, I think I'm rambling...

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Sparrow


Get with the program, alter. These things are hashed out all the time before charges are filed. If you don't want to offer an opinion of the stupidity of following attorney's advice, that's fine. The question needs no rephrasing. [/*]
I don't need to 'get with the program'. Plea deals are not negotiated before indictments are sought and charges are filed.

:rolleyes:

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by gbmy

And therein lies the rub. Once someone talks, their words are parsed. Their mannerisms are scrutinized. Their personality traits, which could include nervousness could be misinterpreted. [/*]

So? I just like to see their mannerisms etc. before I judge for myself. It is up to the court system to make the final judgement.

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


I just found a hair. Would you mind splitting it for me? [/*]God Bless You! Why bother with these broads?

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by gbmy

In America, when you're arrested and charged with a crime, you're innocent until proven guilty. Here, we have a guy who after 2 years of intense investigation hasn't even been arrested and you're questioning the morals/ethics/decency of those people who believe he's innocent? If so, then you entitled to that opinion. [/*]Re: your first sentence- only in a court room & only then.He did it.hammer

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Marcia3
I have run the full gamet on this one...I started out believing that JY was innocent of this crime, then jumped on the bandwagon that he had killed MY. Now I don't know. Well, admittedly, I didn't know before, but after two years of investigation and still no arrest...gotta wonder if it wasn't someone else who killed MY and her unborn child.

Yes, I get that JY had motive and opportunity. But still no indictment after all of this time? And from what I can tell, LE has focused on him since the crime was discovered.

At any rate, I would not want to be in his position right now. If he is indeed innocent, how horrible to have to live with suspicion hanging over your head every single hour! As his child grows, will she be subject to whispers and innuendo about her father?

Sorry, I think I'm rambling... [/*]

Hi, Marcia :seeya: Good to see you.

There are a couple of us who are neither JDI nor JII. And who have the same questions you do.

It's nice to have company. :)

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Schatzie
Re: your first sentence- only in a court room & only then.He did it.hammer [/*]Well gosh then those cops shows don't need the 'all persons are innocenct until proven guilty in a court of law' after showing videos of people committing criminal acts. And anyone could call anyone a murderer w/o having to worry about being sued.

And if IUPG only applies in court, then no one outside court can declare someone guilty of a crime.

Or claim 'he did it'.

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by Neo


I hope you meant BOARDS!!

:biggrin: [/*] No

[gbmy]

Originally posted by Marcia3
I have run the full gamet on this one...I started out believing that JY was innocent of this crime, then jumped on the bandwagon that he had killed MY. Now I don't know. Well, admittedly, I didn't know before, but after two years of investigation and still no arrest...gotta wonder if it wasn't someone else who killed MY and her unborn child.

Yes, I get that JY had motive and opportunity. But still no indictment after all of this time? And from what I can tell, LE has focused on him since the crime was discovered.

At any rate, I would not want to be in his position right now. If he is indeed innocent, how horrible to have to live with suspicion hanging over your head every single hour! As his child grows, will she be subject to whispers and innuendo about her father?

Sorry, I think I'm rambling... [/*]
Marcia3, What a nice, well balanced post. I enjoyed reading it and can definitely relate to the emotional rollercoaster you describe.

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by alter ego
Well gosh then those cops shows don't need the 'all persons are innocenct until proven guilty in a court of law' after showing videos of people committing criminal acts. And anyone could call anyone a murderer w/o having to worry about being sued.

And if IUPG only applies in court, then no one outside court can declare someone guilty of a crime.

Or claim 'he did it'. [/*]During a trial one is innocent until proven guilty-period. We went thru this during the S. Peterson trial. Why do you think one can be held in jail till trial such as Entwhistle -over 2 yrs.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Neo
Its been so quiet here since the NC Wanted article.......

Have some changed their minds on Jason's guilt? [/*]

None that I have seen.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Schatzie
During a trial one is innocent until proven guilty-period. We went thru this during the S. Peterson trial. Why do you think one can be held in jail till trial such as Entwhistle -over 2 yrs. [/*]Uh huh. Only a court can make a determination of guilt, I'm not entirely sure what you don't grasp about that.

Because of risk of flight. Not all those awaiting trial are held w/o bond.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Neo
Its been so quiet here since the NC Wanted article.......

Have some changed their minds on Jason's guilt? [/*]
You mean the Amanda Lamb article about the 4 unsolved murders?

[bookie]

Originally posted by alter ego

You mean the Amanda Lamb article about the 4 unsolved murders? [/*]


An article full of inaccurate information is supposed to change minds?

[Wyn]

Originally posted by onederwomyn
Can someone answer this for me?

The gift that Jason purchased for Michelle...did he purchase it that same morning right before Meredith? Did they grab the IP address that was used when this purchase was made? If so, what was the IP address? Was it a mobile card? Was it the hotel's IP address? When and from where was this order placed?

The entire "receipt print out" being at home is what makes me lean towards guilt. I know there are a ton of other things, but I shop on the internet A LOT. And never, never, never have I had to print out a receipt IMMEDIATELY. It usually gets sent to your email address and you can print it out IF and WHEN you want to. Heck...on most sites you can log into your account and reprint it.

Thanks... [/*]

The print out wasn't a "receipt", but a print out of a purse he was "considering" buying Michelle for a "late" anniversary gift, or "early" Christmas gift. He showed it to the GA friend and then put it back on the printer before he left the house.

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Hi, Marcia :seeya: Good to see you.

There are a couple of us who are neither JDI nor JII. And who have the same questions you do.

It's nice to have company. :) [/*]

Oh, Cardinal! It's good to see you, too!

And what good company it is...:D

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by gbmy

Marcia3, What a nice, well balanced post. I enjoyed reading it and can definitely relate to the emotional rollercoaster you describe. [/*]

Thank you...this case is heartbreaking on so many levels, isn't it?

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by alter ego
Uh huh. Only a court can make a determination of guilt, I'm not entirely sure what you don't grasp about that.

Because of risk of flight. Not all those awaiting trial are held w/o bond. [/*]That's what I said hammer

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Neo
Its been so quiet here since the NC Wanted article.......

Have some changed their minds on Jason's guilt?

Somehow, I doubt that, but one can always hope. :D

[bookie]

Originally posted by Neo
After the recent NC Wanted article and the info that was recently released, I feel that the Fisher family will finally see justice for Michelle and little Cassidy will be reunited with her dear Auntie and loving grandma. [/*]


The NC Wanted article is full of misinformation. It isn't going to help anyone.

The police never said Jason was having an extramarital affair. They didn't even say it was sexual or romantic. Being friends is considered a relationship.

Jason was not seen exiting the hotel. He was seen walking toward the exit but no one knows if he went out the door.

Those are just 2 off the top of my head that NC Wanted got wrong.

Oh wait....the "post" from Craigslist wasn't a post so they were wrong about that one too so it's up to 3 errors.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Neo
After the recent NC Wanted article and the info that was recently released, I feel that the Fisher family will finally see justice for Michelle and little Cassidy will be reunited with her dear Auntie and loving grandma.

That moment can't come too soon. Cassidy needs those people in her life. They are the ones that will keep Michelle alive for her. If the retired teacher is any indication of the disdain that is felt toward Michelle and her family, (and I believe how he acts and talks about Michelle reflects the feelings of the Youngs), then Cassidy can't get away fast enough. MUO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by enigma™


That moment can't come too soon. Cassidy needs those people in her life. They are the ones that will keep Michelle alive for her. If the retired teacher is any indication of the disdain that is felt toward Michelle and her family, (and I believe how he acts and talks about Michelle reflects the feelings of the Youngs), then Cassidy can't get away fast enough. MUO [/*]It's not up to you to decide what Cassidy needs in her life.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Neo
After the recent NC Wanted article and the info that was recently released, I feel that the Fisher family will finally see justice for Michelle and little Cassidy will be reunited with her dear Auntie and loving grandma. [/*]Those warrants were issued in Februrary and have not resulted in an indictment. Cassidy is with her dear Aunties and loving grandma right now.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Schatzie
That's what I said hammer [/*]No, it isn't.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by alter ego
It's not up to you to decide what Cassidy needs in her life.

:rolleyes:

Now that I know you don't have me on ignore, how about an answer to my question about voice stress tests? I've asked nicely, two times. If you have no answer, just say so, and I will "move on".

[alter ego]

Originally posted by bookie



The NC Wanted article is full of misinformation. It isn't going to help anyone.

The police never said Jason was having an extramarital affair. They didn't even say it was sexual or romantic. Being friends is considered a relationship.

Jason was not seen exiting the hotel. He was seen walking toward the exit but no one knows if he went out the door.

Those are just 2 off the top of my head that NC Wanted got wrong.

Oh wait....the "post" from Craigslist wasn't a post so they were wrong about that one too so it's up to 3 errors. [/*]
Not to mention there is no proof that JY even authored the 'text message'. Anyone who plays games impersonating others could have sent an email to a craigslist ad and included photos from a PUBLIC photobucket acct.

[bookie]

Originally posted by alter ego

Not to mention there is no proof that JY even authored the 'text message'. Anyone who plays games impersonating others could have sent an email to a craigslist ad and included photos from a PUBLIC photobucket acct. [/*]



Very true and we know from the Caylee Anthony case that posters on messageboards like to play tricks like sending pizza's with the word decomp on it to the grandparents home. I could easily see a poster being behind that email.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by enigma™


:rolleyes:

Now that I know you don't have me on ignore, how about an answer to my question about voice stress tests? I've asked nicely, two times. If you have no answer, just say so, and I will "move on". [/*]
:rolleyes:

I agree with the experts, voice stress analysis tests are junk science.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by bookie




Very true and we know from the Caylee Anthony case that posters on messageboards like to play tricks like sending pizza's with the word decomp on it to the grandparents home. I could easily see a poster being behind that email. [/*]:eek:

We have already witnessed someone impersonating JY to get hotel info.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by alter ego
:rolleyes:

I agree with the experts, voice stress analysis tests are junk science.

:rolleyes:

Thanks for the non-answer. To refresh your memory, I asked if the test could differentiate between "real" stress and "faked" stress.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by alter ego

:rolleyes:

I agree with the experts, voice stress analysis tests are junk science. [/*]

Maybe so but testimony from experts is allowed to be admitted as evidence and the jury decides which expert to believe. The 911 call made by Jim Barton is what got him convicted years later in the murder of his wife, Vickie.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hiller


And someone impersonating a law student, leaf raking expert, dog bladder control expert, I could go on and on......!! [/*]

Oh I remember the dog bladder debate. Some idiots who obviously don't have dogs lamely and futilely insisted that Young's old dog wandering around his own house for 14 hours or so didn't piddle or poo indoors because he's been "trained" not to do so.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by enigma™


:rolleyes:

Thanks for the non-answer. To refresh your memory, I asked if the test could differentiate between "real" stress and "faked" stress. [/*]

The answer is yes.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Celiarun

The answer is yes.

Thanks.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Oh I remember the dog bladder debate. Some idiots who obviously don't have dogs lamely and futilely insisted that Young's old dog wandering around his own house for 14 hours or so didn't piddle or poo indoors because he's been "trained" not to do so. [/*]

I had a female Dobie that held it longer than that one time, even though I had left paper down for her to relieve herself.

And anyway how do we know the dog didn't piddle somewhere on the carpet?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hiller


My dog is 12. He is the same type as the Youngs and can hold it that long.

I guess that makes me an idiot?

Just because YOUR dog has no control, YOU can't automatically create the base line for what is normal and call other posters idiots. [/*]

Yes, I can and did. My *source* isn't my dog, it's my veterinarian, who is on the faculty of the University of Missouri.
He said the only way a dog can hold it 14 hours is to deny it food and water. The Young's dog was in its usual routine. No evidence it was denied food or water nor is there evidence it relieved itself in the house.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by annalyzer


I had a female Dobie that held it longer than that one time, even though I had left paper down for her to relieve herself.

And anyway how do we know the dog didn't piddle somewhere on the carpet? [/*]

I've been told that the dog was at a neighbors when police arrived and there was no sign the dog piddled in the Young house. I can only go by what I've heard. :shrug:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Yes, I can and did. My *source* isn't my dog, it's my veterinarian, who is on the faculty of the University of Missouri.
He said the only way a dog can hold it 14 hours is to deny it food and water. The Young's dog was in its usual routine. No evidence it was denied food or water nor is there evidence it relieved itself in the house. [/*]

How could the dog be in it's usual routine when there was no one around that morning to give him food and water?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hiller


My dog is 12. He is the same type as the Youngs and can hold it that long.

I guess that makes me an idiot?

Just because YOUR dog has no control, YOU can't automatically create the base line for what is normal and call other posters idiots. [/*]

btw, what "type" dog is your dog?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


How could the dog be in it's usual routine when there was no one around that morning to give him food and water? [/*]

Someone doesn't have to be around for a dog to be in its usual routine. Caring dog owners make sure water bowls have water all the time.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Barbara2

How could the dog be in it's usual routine when there was no one around that morning to give him food and water?

Questions, questions.

How dare you question the expertise of someone on the faculty of the University of MO? :D It makes me wonder if there is a class offered on leaf raking.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Someone doesn't have to be around for a dog to be in its usual routine. Caring dog owners make sure water bowls have water all the time. [/*]

I have no doubt that caring owners do make sure of that if they are not dead.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by enigma™


Questions, questions.

How dare you question the expertise of someone on the faculty of the University of MO? :D It makes me wonder if there is a class offered on leaf raking. [/*]

wow, you need to a class to teach you how to rake? Try your local sheltered workshop. Maybe they can help you out.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hiller


Thats absolutely NOT TRUE.

Your should check the credentials of your source. [/*]

Yes it is true. I trust the credentials of my source.
Of course noone is forcing you to believe it.

:rolleyes:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hiller


My dog is 12. He is the same type as the Youngs and can hold it that long.

I guess that makes me an idiot?

Just because YOUR dog has no control, YOU can't automatically create the base line for what is normal and call other posters idiots. [/*]

what type of dog do you have?

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Celiarun
wow, you need to a class to teach you how to rake? Try your local sheltered workshop. Maybe they can help you out.

huh? Mayhaps you could take a remedial response class at your local "sheltered workshop"?

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Celiarun

what type of dog do you have?

The poster said they have the same type dog the Young's have. Remedial reading might be something you'd like to look into along with my other suggestion.

RIF!

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by enigma™


The poster said they have the same type dog the Young's have. Remedial reading might be something you'd like to look into along with my other suggestion.

RIF! [/*]

Yes, the poster did claim to have the same type of dog as the Young's. That's why I asked the poster to identify the type of dog. Am I typing too fast for you?

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Celiarun
Yes, the poster did claim to have the same type of dog as the Young's. That's why I asked the poster to identify the type of dog. Am I typing too fast for you?

:rolleyes:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by enigma™


:rolleyes: [/*]

why is Hiller unable to answer such a simple question? To claim to have the same type of dog as the Young's and then to :chicken: seems so very pointless.:shrug:

[bookie]

Originally posted by Hiller


My dog is 12. He is the same type as the Youngs and can hold it that long.

I guess that makes me an idiot?

Just because YOUR dog has no control, YOU can't automatically create the base line for what is normal and call other posters idiots. [/*]


And vice versa. Just because your dog could hold it doesn't mean Mr G could or did.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Hiller


And someone impersonating a law student, leaf raking expert, dog bladder control expert, I could go on and on......!! [/*]They don't hold a candle to the candian cop impersonator :lol:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by enigma™


:rolleyes:

Thanks for the non-answer. To refresh your memory, I asked if the test could differentiate between "real" stress and "faked" stress. [/*]Again, I agree with the experts, voice stress analysis tests are junk science.

RIF.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Barbara2


How could the dog be in it's usual routine when there was no one around that morning to give him food and water? [/*]How do you know he didn't have food and water in his dishes from the night before?

[enigma™]

Originally posted by alter ego
Again, I agree with the experts, voice stress analysis tests are junk science.

RIF.

RIF right back to you, and a big swooooooooosh right over your head. I bet Kat would be proud of that big swoosh.

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Neo
After the recent NC Wanted article and the info that was recently released, I feel that the Fisher family will finally see justice for Michelle and little Cassidy will be reunited with her dear Auntie and loving grandma. [/*]
Are you refering to this "dear Auntie"?

http://mixie118.livejournal.com/

Wednesday, April 9th, 2003
2:27 am Woo-hoo! My first journal entry....Well I'm on the downward spiral of coming down from a high...so I'm a little sleepy! There's nothing I hate more than being sick....except for being sick for 2 weeks (and maybe cheap people) So I'm a little cranky, a little high and a little sleepy....all that, means i should go to bed and end my only day off from work this week.....Be back soon!
Meredith

http://mixie118.livejournal.com/profile

I'm 22 years old, I live on Long Island (NY, kid) I hate my life, I went to college for 4 years to get a degree I have done nothing with, I waitress full time (woo-hoo) I have the cutest cat in the world (oh-no madison) and I have recently begun the countdown to moving our ot of my house (but as of now, I live home with the Leezard)

[alter ego]

Originally posted by enigma™


RIF right back to you, and a big swooooooooosh right over your head. I bet Kat would be proud of that big swoosh. [/*]What does Kat have to do with your inability to grasp the obvious? :shrug:

[enigma™]

Originally posted by alter ego
What does Kat have to do with your inability to grasp the obvious? :shrug:

Perhaps if I worded it more specifically you would be able to comprehend the question.

Is it supposed to be able to differentiate between real stress and faked stress? This has nothing to do with what you think of the science.
:rolleyes:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by enigma™


Perhaps if I worded it more specifically you would be able to comprehend the question.

Is it supposed to be able to differentiate between real stress and faked stress? This has nothing to do with what you think of the science.
:rolleyes: [/*]I comprehend the question, you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of 'junk science'.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by alter ego
I comprehend the question, you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of 'junk science'.

Apparently, you do not comprehend the question. It was pretty straight forward, but I suppose even simple comprehension is beyond your grasp. As for me understanding about "junk science", I understand fully what you are saying. It is a pity you will not admit when you are in error. But enough about you.

Justice for Michelle and Rylan!

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
I comprehend the question, you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of 'junk science'. [/*]

Hi, AE. So you don't believe it's possible to analyze stress in a voice recording?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Yes, I can and did. My *source* isn't my dog, it's my veterinarian, who is on the faculty of the University of Missouri.
He said the only way a dog can hold it 14 hours is to deny it food and water. The Young's dog was in its usual routine. No evidence it was denied food or water nor is there evidence it relieved itself in the house. [/*]

Maybe Kim let the dog out. Then gave him food and water.

JMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by enigma™


Apparently, you do not comprehend the question. It was pretty straight forward, but I suppose even simple comprehension is beyond your grasp. As for me understanding about "junk science", I understand fully what you are saying. It is a pity you will not admit when you are in error. But enough about you.

Justice for Michelle and Rylan! [/*]I'm not in error. I can't help it you don't understand.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Hi, AE. So you don't believe it's possible to analyze stress in a voice recording? [/*]Not to classify it, no.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Maybe Kim let the dog out. Then gave him food and water.

JMO [/*]When was Kim there?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
When was Kim there? [/*]

I don't know that she was, but if it wasn't Jason, she's the next best candidate, imo. Someone was there between 4 and 5 am, according to the NY Times delivery person. They could very well have let the dog out and given him food and water. If the talk is true, Kim is very good with animals, and I think she would have seen to Mr. G's needs.

Anyway, that means it wasn't 14 hours; it was, at most, 9. The dog could easily have gone 9 hours without messing the house. Mine used to do it routinely.

JMO

[enigma™]

Originally posted by alter ego
I'm not in error. I can't help it you don't understand.

I understand this: The fish that does not take the bait, lives the longest. Welcome to my ignore list.

[awareness]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE

Are you refering to this "dear Auntie"?

http://mixie118.livejournal.com/

Wednesday, April 9th, 2003
2:27 am Woo-hoo! My first journal entry....Well I'm on the downward spiral of coming down from a high...so I'm a little sleepy! There's nothing I hate more than being sick....except for being sick for 2 weeks (and maybe cheap people) So I'm a little cranky, a little high and a little sleepy....all that, means i should go to bed and end my only day off from work this week.....Be back soon!
Meredith

http://mixie118.livejournal.com/profile

I'm 22 years old, I live on Long Island (NY, kid) I hate my life, I went to college for 4 years to get a degree I have done nothing with, I waitress full time (woo-hoo) I have the cutest cat in the world (oh-no madison) and I have recently begun the countdown to moving our ot of my house (but as of now, I live home with the Leezard) [/*]

Nice, so we're quoting stuff AGAIN that's years old... borderline slanderous IMO... :rolleyes: