Christian-Newsom Thread

[ExArkie]

What happened to the Christian-Newsom thread (again). I know the long one was deleted when we were having trouble; but, where is the NEW one? Anyone know?

[Search4U]

Here's an update:

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/sep/19/out--town-jurors-likely-hear-christiannewsom-carja/

[Search4U]

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/sep/25/first-carjack-case-state-court-will-have-out--town/


http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/sep/26/jury-in-Newsom-Christian-slayings/

[jace]

I understand the judge's decision to move the trial, but these people will be found guilty even if they try them on the moon; where they've shipped in Martians for the jury once the facts of the case are made known.

[royals02]

I remember reading about this case on the 13th Juror website...the gruesomeness of the story of what those poor kids endured at the hands of these monsters is unspeakable. I always look for updates and any info on upcoming trials in this case and it would be great to have a thread. Thanks for the link

[Dogmatic]

I remember reading about this case on the 13th Juror website...the gruesomeness of the story of what those poor kids endured at the hands of these monsters is unspeakable. I always look for updates and any info on upcoming trials in this case and it would be great to have a thread. Thanks for the link


Makes you wonder how many crimes these creeps have committed before being caught on this one, doesn't it.

[GA On My Mind]

Makes you wonder how many crimes these creeps have committed before being caught on this one, doesn't it.

Yes, it does. These monsters are evil and should be destroyed. The things they did to those poor innocents is horrific. I'll never forget this crime - it is imbedded in my mind and I can't help but think of what those two kids had to endure and I often think of their families and how they are doing. I pray to God that they find some semblance of peace in their lives, although I'm not sure that I could survive something like this, had it been my child.

As one poster mentioned, the old thread had tons of information and links, and it is unfortunate that it's now gone.

We can only hope that the perps get what's coming to them. Personally, I think they should be turned over to the families and friends of the victims, but that's just MO.

[FFLady]

Hopefully we can keep this thread going.....last I heard on the Knoxville (newspaper) website that they would be tearing down that awful house on Chipman St......

[eyeswideopen]

I"m not sure where they will find jurors who haven't heard of this case, but rest assured anyone hearing this for the first time is going to be shocked beyond belief, as so many of us were. I remain horrified to this day at the callous savagery that took place in that house. I can't imagine anyone who hears about it will walk away without seriously questioning how evil such as this exists.

[aubrey04]

Hopefully we can keep this thread going.....last I heard on the Knoxville (newspaper) website that they would be tearing down that awful house on Chipman St......

Thank goodness. That is a house of horrors, IMO. It should be condemned, like a few of the defendants will surely be in due time.

Eric Boyd's sentencing hearing is slated for October 15th - a week from tomorrow. I tried to google to make sure it wasn't delayed for some reason or another.. didn't find anything, so I guess it is still on for the 15th.

[wnb]

Bruce Poston, who recently defended Eric McClean, was appointed by the Court to help defend the first suspect who will be tried. Poston has started by attacking the police work.

[eyeswideopen]

Bruce Poston, who recently defended Eric McClean, was appointed by the Court to help defend the first suspect who will be tried. Poston has started by attacking the police work.

Well when you have no defense, your only hope is finding something wrong with the way the case has been handled. Wonder how this guy sleeps at night.

[FFLady]

Well when you have no defense, your only hope is finding something wrong with the way the case has been handled. Wonder how this guy sleeps at night.


Grasping at the straws......:D

From what I understand, though, is these Public Defender's have to take cases assigned by the Court. I think all PD's are allowed to decline 3 of them a year (if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me).....It makes one wonder - hell-ov-a-way to climb that corporate ladder and make a name for yourself, having to "defend" someone of this nature....

[aubrey04]

Bruce Poston, who recently defended Eric McClean, was appointed by the Court to help defend the first suspect who will be tried. Poston has started by attacking the police work.

Wow. I can honestly say I like Mr. Poston from the McLean trial.. (He did take on McLean's case for free in the beginning when the court decided Eric McLean didn't qualify for a public defender but then his personal worth was assessed again and a judge granted it. Otherwise, Poston would have kept on doing it pro-bono). but I guess even a scumbag, like Letalvis Cobbins, deserves a good attorney in the US?

Anyway - you're correct.. He is representing Cobbins.. Here is a link to where Poston says he plans on attacking LE..

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/sep/20/jury-for-slayings-trial-likely-not-from-knox/?partner=RSS

[FFLady]

Defense Attorney Phil Lomanaco filed a motion on Wednesday asking for a reduced sentence for Boyd because he helped police find Davidson.

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=66340&catid=2


Never ceases to amaze me......

[GA On My Mind]

Defense Attorney Phil Lomanaco filed a motion on Wednesday asking for a reduced sentence for Boyd because he helped police find Davidson.

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=66340&catid=2


Never ceases to amaze me......


Oh yeah, Boyd is such an upstanding citizen. Why not give him the key to the city? He did nothing to 'help' police find Davidson. If anything, he did everything in his power to NOT help them locate him. What a monster.

[FFLady]

Here we go Folks!! The start of partial justice for the Christian & Newsome families....

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/oct/15/criminal-past-man-who-hid-carjacker-worse-than-loo/

[wnb]

Wow. I can honestly say I like Mr. Poston from the McLean trial.. (He did take on McLean's case for free in the beginning when the court decided Eric McLean didn't qualify for a public defender but then his personal worth was assessed again and a judge granted it. Otherwise, Poston would have kept on doing it pro-bono). but I guess even a scumbag, like Letalvis Cobbins, deserves a good attorney in the US?

Anyway - you're correct.. He is representing Cobbins.. Here is a link to where Poston says he plans on attacking LE..

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/sep/20/jury-for-slayings-trial-likely-not-from-knox/?partner=RSS

It is reported toward the end of this thread (http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/oct/23/well-never-forget-what-happened-here/) that there will be a hearing regarding the Cobbins trial on November 3. Also Bruce Poston, co-defense counsel, has signed on for another murder trial. It is not known if there is a connection.

[wnb]

A Knox County judge today delayed the trials for another six months, blaming defense attorney Bruce Poston, who did not show up for hearings Wednesday and today. The prosecution refused to put on the other trials first.

The attorney who will supposedly replace Poston said that he could not "get up to speed" for the original date. When the July 2009 date arrives, he will probably ask for another delay.

[Heidi J.]

A Knox County judge today delayed the trials for another six months, blaming defense attorney Bruce Poston, who did not show up for hearings Wednesday and today. The prosecution refused to put on the other trials first.

The attorney who will supposedly replace Poston said that he could not "get up to speed" for the original date. When the July 2009 date arrives, he will probably ask for another delay.

Just delaying the inevitable..

:flamemad:

[iluvmua]

Christian/Newsom Trial dates:
LeTalvis Cobbins- July 6, 2009
Vanessa Coleman- August 10, 2009
Lemaricus Davidson- September 21, 2009
George Thomas- November or December 2009

[iluvmua]

I can't believe it's been 2 years already
RIP Channon & Chris

Do you think Tru TV will cover the Trials live ?

[FFLady]

Yep, 1-7-07....worse day for the Christian/Newsome families....

I would hope it would be shown on TV, but I doubt it will...:sad:

[FFLady]

If anyone is interested, here is the latest link. From this page, you can access one of the defendent's (Letalvis Cobbins) transcripts of his statement when first arrested.....interesting stuff...

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/jan/31/lawyers-want-interviews-out/

[Dogmatic]

Wow.

Difficult transcripts to read. It's like he barely speaks English.

He sees two people carjacked, blindfolded, and tied up and thinks it's just another day on the farm? Give me a break.

What a liar.

He clearly states he never touched the girl and then his dna shows up all over her body.


Disgusting pigs

[FFLady]

Hey Dog - did you get the impression (after reading his statements) that he was :unsure: errr lying? It seems he kept trying to divert the questions to telling the Det's that he wasn't getting along with his brother, and he wasn't down wit what he was doing!!! :bored: I can bet the Det's were rolling their eyes BIG TIME!!!

Morbid as it may sound, I love reading these types of interrogations....

[Dogmatic]

Hey Dog - did you get the impression (after reading his statements) that he was :unsure: errr lying? It seems he kept trying to divert the questions to telling the Det's that he wasn't getting along with his brother, and he wasn't down wit what he was doing!!! :bored: I can bet the Det's were rolling their eyes BIG TIME!!!

Morbid as it may sound, I love reading these types of interrogations....

I didn't even realize until AFTER I read the transcripts that his dna was found on the mortal remains of Channon.

My impression as I was reading the transcripts is that he was trying to cover for Vanessa and himself. i.e. He gave her a glass of water? Yeah right. Not likely.

And all that horse hooey about moving furniture for someone and then wanting to get out of the situation once his brother took it to a level he didn't like. I got the impression he was lying and that he wanted to make it look like he feared his brother and what his brother might do to him. He and his lovely gal Vanessa had multiple opportunities to do the right thing and save those two young lives. They not only opted not to, but come to find out, they participated wholeheartedly in the torture.

It took alot of speed reading to get through the "ya know what I'm sayin, they are doin some crazy chit, effin this and effin that" blah blah blah. Good Lord......unbelievable.

So how much of a stud does it make their ilk to rape a tied up man and a tied up woman? This proves how tough they are? Improves their street rep? I don't get it. Never will

[Dogmatic]

I do live in Knoxville..and I have never said this..but I feel I have seen at least one of the defendants in the past. Deja vu.Might just be wishful thinking on my part but I need to look them up and see if I can recall where I might have seen one of them.Of course this would have been a few years back and before the murders..but still it might be interesting for me to recall when I saw one of those jokers and where.

Yes Cobbins is a liar and a thug. I don't see any way he skates through this.

:thumbdown:

If you did run across one of them, I'm glad you made it out alive. These are not human beings as far as I'm concerned. I don't know what they should be classified as, but to be able to do what they did and show no remorse is unreal.

[FFLady]

I didn't even realize until AFTER I read the transcripts that his dna was found on the mortal remains of Channon.

My impression as I was reading the transcripts is that he was trying to cover for Vanessa and himself. i.e. He gave her a glass of water? Yeah right. Not likely.

And all that horse hooey about moving furniture for someone and then wanting to get out of the situation once his brother took it to a level he didn't like. I got the impression he was lying and that he wanted to make it look like he feared his brother and what his brother might do to him. He and his lovely gal Vanessa had multiple opportunities to do the right thing and save those two young lives. They not only opted not to, but come to find out, they participated wholeheartedly in the torture.

It took alot of speed reading to get through the "ya know what I'm sayin, they are doin some crazy chit, effin this and effin that" blah blah blah. Good Lord......unbelievable.

So how much of a stud does it make their ilk to rape a tied up man and a tied up woman? This proves how tough they are? Improves their street rep? I don't get it. Never will


:laugh::laugh: No doubt.....

.......and "E" probably thinks he's got it made to only be charged for "carjacking" - I think when all this comes to light, there's no doubt he'll be on needle row with the rest of them...he played a much bigger row than we think.

[iluvmua]

Lawyer wants off carjacking-slaying case

www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/feb/18/lawyer-wants-carjack-slaying-case/

[FFLady]

On one hand, I can't blame him for wanting off. However, I hope this doesn't add yet another delay for the families.

[DeeN]

Then hire public defenders at the new location?

It seems to me they are going to have to move it- so why not hire attorneys at the new location?

Couldn't Knoxville pay for the trial even though it may be in a different location? :confused:

[aubrey04]

Lawyer wants off carjacking-slaying case

www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/feb/18/lawyer-wants-carjack-slaying-case/

I can't blame him. Who would want to defend these pigs? Didn't Eric McLean's lawyer, Bruce Poston, ask to be removed from Cobbins defense team too? ..

I just looked it up Green took over for Poston when Poston was allowed to be removed.

http://www.volunteertv.com/news/headlines/34084269.html

This case is pure evil! I will read more of Cobbs police interview later - I started to read it but this crime is so depraved that I can only read in small doses..

[Dogmatic]

I can't blame him. Who would want to defend these pigs? Didn't Eric McLean's lawyer, Bruce Poston, ask to be removed from Cobbins defense team too? ..

I just looked it up Green took over for Poston when Poston was allowed to be removed.

http://www.volunteertv.com/news/headlines/34084269.html

This case is pure evil! I will read more of Cobbs police interview later - I started to read it but this crime is so depraved that I can only read in small doses..

I don't believe the problem is that they don't want to defend these pigs. It's because they are receiving death threats FOR defending these pigs.

We might just see these pigs back out on the street if the good citizens of Knoxville don't let the wheels of justice turn.

These five filthy animals deserve representation. If they don't get it, they will be back among us to kill again.

[RayStar]

I don't believe the problem is that they don't want to defend these pigs. It's because they are receiving death threats FOR defending these pigs.

We might just see these pigs back out on the street if the good citizens of Knoxville don't let the wheels of justice turn.

These five filthy animals deserve representation. If they don't get it, they will be back among us to kill again.They need to move the case to a state way up north and keep the lawyers names and faces out of the press. I don't want them back with the public.

[Dogmatic]

They need to move the case to a state way up north and keep the lawyers names and faces out of the press. I don't want them back with the public.


The citizens need to stop making death threats on the lawyers that are doing their jobs.

Let the wheels of justice turn, albeit slowly, and the end result should be fine.

The people making those death threats may very well be trying to achieve an acquittal based on poor representation.

If the threats are being made by law abiding citizens, they sure aren't very smart ones.

[iluvmua]

Lawyer defends woman's role

www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/feb/28/lawyer-defends-womans-role/

[Dogmatic]

Lawyer defends woman's role

www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/feb/28/lawyer-defends-womans-role/


Oh boy, now my eyes are really rolling back in my head.

So we are being asked to believe that the lovely and domestic Vanessa cooked up a storm for the marauding murderers, and took Channon a glass of water. For being such violent individuals, two of them were sure concerned about making sure Channon had enough water to drink. (eye roll) She peeked in on Channon after knowing that her boyfriend had "had sex" with her, took her water and then peeked in again to see one of the men strangling Channon in a closet. But, no worries, Vanessa just went about her busy day in the kitchen making biscuits, gravy and eggs.

The only problem with this magical little tale of innocence is that the autopsy reveals different information.

Bottom line: Vanessa is just as violent as the rest of them. No one that wasn't would be able to cook and hang out in a house where an innocent young lady was being tortured, raped, sodomized, beaten, and mutilated,then stuffed in a garbage can to die.

[aubrey04]

The citizens need to stop making death threats on the lawyers that are doing their jobs.

Let the wheels of justice turn, albeit slowly, and the end result should be fine.

The people making those death threats may very well be trying to achieve an acquittal based on poor representation.

If the threats are being made by law abiding citizens, they sure aren't very smart ones.

I agree with you. I do not know why people add fuel to the fire by hurling death threats at the lawyers. It's not like this crime was devastating enough for the Christian and Newsom families without this added stress.

I just hope that these trials get under way soon because this has to be unbelievably painful for the families. It is bad enough when a family has to sit through the trial of one or two killers, but five trials! :ohmy:

Death threats or not, I doubt many lawyers would want any of these sickos as a client.

[FFLady]

Trancripts of Ms Vanessa Coleman's interrogation.......

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/mar/03/detectives-didnt-buy-womans-story-on-slayings/

[Dogmatic]

Trancripts of Ms Vanessa Coleman's interrogation.......

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/mar/03/detectives-didnt-buy-womans-story-on-slayings/


I don't know what physical evidence they have on Vanessa, but one thing is for sure. She says she never heard Channon cry or scream, but she heard men whispering.

She heard it all, and she knew when she watched them hog tie Channon that Channon was still alive when she was stuffed in that garbage can. She knew and deserves to never see the light of day again.

God rest your souls Channon and Christopher. You are together in heaven.

[iluvmua]

If somebody had saved Channon that night, would she still be alive or was her brain injuries/body too severe? How bad was the brusing on her brain?

[Dogmatic]

If somebody had saved Channon that night, would she still be alive or was her brain injuries/body too severe? How bad was the brusing on her brain?


I don't know the answer to your question. I know the injuries she sustained were horrific. The pain she must have endured during that 24 hours is unthinkable.

[Dogmatic]

I read the evidence report.

As if being car-jacked, blindfolded, tied up and kidnapped was not terrifying enough, I am astounded at the level of torture that Chris and Channon endured for hour after hour.

What those people did to those two young people is beyond my comprehension.

[Dogmatic]

I noticed that Vanessa is being charged with 20 counts of rape for both Chris and Channon

but is not charged in the murder of Chris. I'm puzzled by these charges. Does anyone know the evidence they have against her?

[iluvmua]

Hi, If anyone is interested you can watch various news clips about this case @ Google Video

go to www.google.com and click on video and then type in Channon Christian or Chris Newsom.

[Dogmatic]

I look forward to those responsible for the torment, torture, rape, and murder of two innocent young people to have their day in court.

The families will never have closure, but I want justice served on this very disturbing case.

[Dogmatic]

Knoxville news is reporting that more details of the crime are being release, and as if the initial reports were not disgusting enough, it appears that there are far more details of the crimes that indicated the level of torture these two beautiful young people endured at the hands of these criminals.

(Latest reports indicate that Christopher was savaged internally with an object, causing immense internal damage before being raped.)

[Dogmatic]

Knoxville news reporting today that the accused dirtbags are now starting to turn on each other.

Defense is starting to question method of evidence collection.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Vanessa turn states witness to avoid harsh penalty.

Not one of these people should see the light of day except from behind bars. Regardless of their level of participation, Channon was still alive when she was abandoned by the low lifes, and one anonymous phone call to 911 might have saved her.

Depraved group of heartless, mindless, thugs. They inspire me to hate.

[Dogmatic]

My questions to all of the perps who are now pointing fingers at each other:

1. Do you really expect the world to believe that Channon and Chris did not scream in agony while they were being tortured?

2. Ever heard of the witness protection program?

3. Where in your upbringing were you taught to be able to endure the torturing of other humans for hours on end, and then walking away with no thought except to plead ignorance to save your own skin?


Enough delays on this trial. Time is not going minimize what was done to Channon and Chris. Let the entire truth be known. Let the public know exactly what those two innocent young people endured at the hands of hardened gang members. Let them have their day in court and then lets quit glorifying gangs. They are nothing but violent cowards who prey on societies fears. Get the gangs off our streets. Lock them up and give them ZERO contact with the free society. Zero. Once those home grown terrorists are off our streets, you will see our crime rate decline sharply.

This case angers me to the point of boiling over because of what happened and how our liberal media tried to sweep it under the carpet.

[KittyMom]

It breaks my heart that the animals responsible for this horrorific hate crime have still not been brought to justice. May they see the faces of their victims everytime they close their eyes. May they hear their cries in the stillness of night.

[aproudmom]

Knoxville news reporting today that the accused dirtbags are now starting to turn on each other.

Defense is starting to question method of evidence collection.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Vanessa turn states witness to avoid harsh penalty.

Not one of these people should see the light of day except from behind bars. Regardless of their level of participation, Channon was still alive when she was abandoned by the low lifes, and one anonymous phone call to 911 might have saved her.

Depraved group of heartless, mindless, thugs. They inspire me to hate.

does not surprise me one bit they usually do turn on each other to try to save their own A$$

[aproudmom]

OMG this is so sad how could anyone do this :crying:
this is one of the worst things I have heard of..what they did to them..makes me ill to even read..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom

[aproudmom]

I can not believe I have never heard about this story..I am outraged these poor kids were put though He77:cursing:
No Internet postings...FGS I hate this Judge sorry I saw him in another trial he is down right rude it was a live trial anyone see it can not remember which one it was but he was so rude in the trial..all jmo

March 03, 2009
Media vs. suspects' attorneys on Christian - Newsom murders coverage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnuTopV9Ws8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/user/randygray78

[aproudmom]

http://richard-baumgartner.love.com/
Judge not ready to rule on continuance motion in Christian - Newsom murder case
April 24, 2009 12:22 PM CDT :cursing::thumbdown:

The victims' families even brought a private attorney for the first time, hoping to push for a speedy trial.

The legal limbo was so frustrating it prompted the victims' fathers to walk out of the courtroom.

Afterward, Hugh Newsom said, "I was very upset over the fact that he wouldn't let the lawyer that we had retained along with the Christians present our case."

And Gary Christian asked. "What is speedy? It's been two-and-a-half years. We're still sitting here."

I will be watching this case..I hope they all rot in jail..PURE EVIL

[Dogmatic]

Pure evil is right.

Justice for these families.

[logbump]

Here is another source for background info.
http://www.jurorthirteen.com/
Victims should have more rights!

[aproudmom]

Pure evil is right.

Justice for these families.

I never heard about this and I have also never cried so hard for these 2 what fear they had to go through it makes me ill to think about it and to know we have so many people out there that would do something like this..:cursing:

[aproudmom]

Here is another source for background info.
http://www.jurorthirteen.com/
Victims should have more rights!

thanks logbump
I think the victims are being victimized by the system they sure have not got JUSTICE

This is one live trial I could not even watch way to said and horrible details..:cursing:

[aubrey04]

I will NEVER understand why this case didn't get more publicity. It reminds me of the Wichita Massacre case - which is on even par with how barbaric the Christian-Newsom torture deaths were.

Anyway I still haven't been able to read all of Vanessa Coleman's interview. This case gives me nightmares and I can only read so much of the interrogation interviews and other information released before I have to take a break.. I could sit and read evidence against Casey Anthony for hours - but not with the Newsom-Christian case.. it is just too evil and upsetting.

It figures these scumbags are going to turn on one another. What scumbags..none of them should ever walk free again. ever.

[royals02]

I remember reading about this savagery when it first happened. I follow whatever info I can....I wait and wait for the trial, but seems like the attorneys keep putting it off....Why does our legal system seem to protect animals like these. The horrors that these poor kids suffered makes me ill. I know the trials were supposed to start some time last year and ofcourse got delayed. Too bad our justice system doesnt allow these scumbags to die the same way they took the lives of poor Chris and Channon. I cant imagine how the parents of these kids survive and I dont know how they will sit thru trials listening to what happened (even though they already know) and have some a__hole attorney defend them

[iluvmua]

Today would have been Channon's 24th Birthday :crying:

[Hey Paula]

I will NEVER understand why this case didn't get more publicity. It reminds me of the Wichita Massacre case - which is on even par with how barbaric the Christian-Newsom torture deaths were.

Anyway I still haven't been able to read all of Vanessa Coleman's interview. This case gives me nightmares and I can only read so much of the interrogation interviews and other information released before I have to take a break.. I could sit and read evidence against Casey Anthony for hours - but not with the Newsom-Christian case.. it is just too evil and upsetting.

It figures these scumbags are going to turn on one another. What scumbags..none of them should ever walk free again. ever.

I think this case was underreported because it was so heinous and barbaric in its execution, and because none of the participants/those present did anything to stop it or prevent the victims from being tortured, violated and murdered. However, I believe if the races were reversed, this heinous crime might very well have been a high profile case.

IMO

:rose: In Memory of Channon and Christian

[iluvmua]

That is one of my questions - does Tennessee have the Death Penalty?

I hadn't heard of this case either - until now. What a horrible, HORRIBLE crime. Are these perverts going to be tried separately?

I'll follow this on these boards from time to time. But it is too gruesome for me to "delve" into.


Hi Court Jester, Tennessee does have the Death Penalty and the prosecution is going for the death penalty for all of of the accused in this case.

yes, they are all going to be tried seperately. (sorry for the mis spellings)

Here are the dates so far:
Letalvis Cobbins- July 6 2009
Vanessa Coleman- August 10 2009
Lemaricus Davidson- September 21 2009
George Thomas- December 2 2009

These trial dates may change though

[DangerMouse]

Hey Natasha. Hello all! I'm also new, but not new to this case. During the Boyd trial, I was confused with all the nicknames and gang names.

I recall when LE went to KY and arrested Vanessa, George and Letalvis, they were pointing the finger at Lemaricus and E (Boyd). I found that pretty damning, since according to E, he had showed up at the Chipman Street house on Sunday and only briefly.

I don't know who will flip first. My bet was Vanessa, until I heard and read her interview with LE. I made breakfast?

[DangerMouse]

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/may/01/prosecutors-say-feds-never-gave-immunity-carjack-s/
Snip
Torture slaying suspect Vanessa Coleman was never granted immunity by federal authorities and willingly gave up her right against self-incrimination, a prosecutor argued in a motion filed today in response to Coleman's bid to have state murder charges filed against her tossed out.

[KittyMom]

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/may/01/prosecutors-say-feds-never-gave-immunity-carjack-s/

Prosecutors say feds never gave immunity to carjack-slaying suspect
By Jamie Satterfield
Originally published 02:26 p.m., May 1, 2009
Updated 02:26 p.m., May 1, 2009

[DangerMouse]

This is great news. Now perhaps she will try and cut a deal?

[DangerMouse]

Apparently, V's lawyers are asking to be paid by the state now.

Snip
Coleman attorneys Russ Greene and Theodore Lavit met with Judge Baumgartner in his chambers at 11:30a.m. Friday.

They discussed making a transition from being retained lawyers to court-appointed lawyers.

Lavit said the money from the Coleman family ran out, and Judge Baumgartner agreed to make both attorneys state-appointed.

Baumgartner has not yet signed an order on the transition.

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=85580
Updated: 4/25/2009 8:18:23 PM Posted: 4/24/2009 11:00:19 AM

[logbump]

Hi, Dogmatic.

Do you happen to have a link to the evidence report? I would like to read it.

It's so hard to find info in this case (meaning direct evidence instead of what appears in the news).

Tya.
There is quite a bit of info through this site.
http://www.jurorthirteen.com/

[aproudmom]

Vanessa neither asked for nor received any kind of immunity. Her lawyers need to do their homework on the difference between state and federal grand juries and immunity. Too late now, it's done.

Here is the pdf of the State's motion. Page 8 and foonote 3

http://www.wbir.com/pdf/coleman_5_1.pdf

I realize this is a motion and not a ruling, but I would guess the door is shut on this exit strategy. jmo. :)

thanks and I do not think anyone should get immunity

[Dogmatic]

Hi, Dogmatic.

Do you happen to have a link to the evidence report? I would like to read it.

It's so hard to find info in this case (meaning direct evidence instead of what appears in the news).

Tya.

Juror 13 website has alot of info. Also, Knoxnews.com has the interviews under the heading "christian/newsom trials".

I think the most telling info from reading the interviews is how no one saw or heard anything. And then you read the graphic autopsy reports detailing horrific torture and you know without a doubt that both Christopher and Channon had to have been screaming for their lives during the torture that was taking place while their bodies were violated to unbelievable extremes.

In short, they are all liars and if they weren't physically involved in the torture they belong behind bars for life just by virtue of the fact that they were able to be there, listen and/or see what was happening to two innocent people, and not do one thing to stop the madness.

[kellyfowler]

I have kept up with this horrible crime and just wish it was all a bad nightmare for Channon and Christopher and their families. That being said, I do not understand how any of these animals could get less than death. I so wish an eye for an eye in this situation. Anything less just isn't right. The prison should put photos of the brutalized bodies of these kids in each of the cells and allow them no contact with another human for the rest of their useless lives.
Kelly

[aproudmom]

I have kept up with this horrible crime and just wish it was all a bad nightmare for Channon and Christopher and their families. That being said, I do not understand how any of these animals could get less than death. I so wish an eye for an eye in this situation. Anything less just isn't right. The prison should put photos of the brutalized bodies of these kids in each of the cells and allow them no contact with another human for the rest of their useless lives.
Kelly

I have never been so shocked to hear what these sickos did..it was so hard to even read of the torture they went through:crying:

[Dogmatic]

I have kept up with this horrible crime and just wish it was all a bad nightmare for Channon and Christopher and their families. That being said, I do not understand how any of these animals could get less than death. I so wish an eye for an eye in this situation. Anything less just isn't right. The prison should put photos of the brutalized bodies of these kids in each of the cells and allow them no contact with another human for the rest of their useless lives.
Kelly


Unfortunately, those of their ilk take great pride in these crimes. They would actually earn brownie points toward their "rep" for such things. If these scumbags had any feelings, they would have surfaced when the victims were alive, and no doubt, begging for their lives. Having pictures of the victims would not have any impact on them, imo.

[Mandysmom]

I think this case was underreported because it was so heinous and barbaric in its execution, and because none of the participants/those present did anything to stop it or prevent the victims from being tortured, violated and murdered. However, I believe if the races were reversed, this heinous crime might very well have been a high profile case.

IMO

:rose: In Memory of Channon and Christian I believe the same thing.

This crime is horrific and it should have been publicized more. It is not a good thing to keep your head buried in the sand and pretend it didn't happen.

These monsters should be all over the news but then that would be "offensive" to some I guess.

I hope they all get the death penalty, if they don't deserve it, who in the world does? :cursing:

[Mandysmom]

I have never been so shocked to hear what these sickos did..it was so hard to even read of the torture they went through:crying:
I agree, it was very hard to read, much less have to think of your child going through something this awful.

It matters not one iota to me what race the victims or the murderers are.

These murderers are not even human to me, they are monsters who don't deserve to breathe.

No human being, no matter what race, should have such hatred for another that they could even think to do this. I know it happens and it sickens me to know that people like this exist.

:sad:

[Dogmatic]

I agree, it was very hard to read, much less have to think of your child going through something this awful.

It matters not one iota to me what race the victims or the murderers are.

These murderers are not even human to me, they are monsters who don't deserve to breathe.

No human being, no matter what race, should have such hatred for another that they could even think to do this. I know it happens and it sickens me to know that people like this exist.

:sad:

I would much rather have died trying to get help for these two young people than live one more day breathing, knowing that I listened to them suffer, listened to them being tortured, and stood by and did nothing.

They all deserve the stiffest penalty our system has to offer

[Mandysmom]

I would much rather have died trying to get help for these two young people than live one more day breathing, knowing that I listened to them suffer, listened to them being tortured, and stood by and did nothing.

They all deserve the stiffest penalty our system has to offer
I feel the same as you. How can anybody live with themselves for letting this go on or participating in something this heinous?

Monsters all of them. :cursing:

[FREEMORE]

More tax dollars wasted on defending these killers. They are COLD.

[Dogmatic]

Will they ever get these losers to trial?

[aproudmom]

I agree, it was very hard to read, much less have to think of your child going through something this awful.

It matters not one iota to me what race the victims or the murderers are.

These murderers are not even human to me, they are monsters who don't deserve to breathe.

No human being, no matter what race, should have such hatred for another that they could even think to do this. I know it happens and it sickens me to know that people like this exist.

:sad:

ITA race means nothing I had never heard of this case until I just so happen to come across it a week ago on here..this is one of the worst cases I have ever heard of and do not even think the DP is good enough they should suffer the same way their victims did..:cursing:

[aproudmom]

Will they ever get these losers to trial?

not with that Judge..sorry did not like him in one of the live trials I watched and was a little peed he did not allow the family to have a lawyer to speak about some motion can not even remember what it was but they have been victims over and over and now by the courts one of the mothers could not be there on one date but they would not delay crap for her but they do for these EVIL MONSTERS..JMO

[Dogmatic]

One thing about this case just struck me.

I always wondered why they removed Chris and dumped his body at another location but left Channon in the rental home.

I'm starting to think that they planned to come back and remove the trash can that Channon was in, but the police found the finger print in Channon's car and the thugs weren't given time to remove Channon's body.

Basically, if Channon's parents hadn't found her car so quickly, I'm guessing these four might have gotten away with murder.

[dgfred]

Without the fingerprint it would have been a tough nut to crack.
I believe you might be right about the body at the rental home.

I have always wondered what made them decide to take it to that level instead of just taking the car and valuables... what they did is a huge step to take.

[Dogmatic]

Without the fingerprint it would have been a tough nut to crack.
I believe you might be right about the body at the rental home.

I have always wondered what made them decide to take it to that level instead of just taking the car and valuables... what they did is a huge step to take.

There is no evidence to back this up so please don't anyone ask me for a link.

I have always felt, for whatever reason, that it was taken to another level when one of the thugs said or did something toward Channon that had sexual intent and that Chris attempted to defend her.

I don't know why I think that, but I do.

[dgfred]

You will never hear me ask to post a link :wink: , I enjoy all theories and speculation.

That sounds good as any. So maybe Chris tried to protect her, they hurt Chris, then Channon was the only witness and they didn't want to let her go. Still you would think career criminals would have known better than to put their lives on the line too. One of them must have had a powerful personality to talk/force/threaten the others into falling in line.
Thanks Dog.

[Dogmatic]

You will never hear me ask to post a link :wink: , I enjoy all theories and speculation.

That sounds good as any. So maybe Chris tried to protect her, they hurt Chris, then Channon was the only witness and they didn't want to let her go. Still you would think career criminals would have known better than to put their lives on the line too. One of them must have had a powerful personality to talk/force/threaten the others into falling in line.
Thanks Dog.

I don't think they ever banked on Channon having a family that would react as quickly as they did. If Channon's family hadn't located her car within a day of her going missing, those thugs would have had alot of time to destroy evidence. I think they thought they had their bases covered by burning Chris to destroy evidence and using bleach on Channon.

And just one other guess: Based on the level of depraved violence they inflicted on these two young people, every one of those idiots has a long history of violence against people. They just haven't been caught yet. This wasn't their maiden voyage into rape and battery or even murder.

They finally messed with the wrong family. IMO

[dgfred]

I'm not sure about the murder part, but I'm quite sure you are right about the assault and battery. I thought they had been in the 'carjacking business' for some time but didn't escalate to the extent of murder or serious injury. Cruel beyond measure what they did to both of them, and all involved need to go down in flames.

[Dogmatic]

I'm not sure about the murder part, but I'm quite sure you are right about the assault and battery. I thought they had been in the 'carjacking business' for some time but didn't escalate to the extent of murder or serious injury. Cruel beyond measure what they did to both of them, and all involved need to go down in flames.


I wouldn't be shocked to see some unsolved murders tied to this crew.

I'm sure they started out bullying and fighting and I'm guessing there are a whole host of victims that didn't step forward out of fear.

I just can't fathom that their first and only kidnapping and rape started out at this level. These are experienced criminals with no empathy, remorse or scrupals.

[FFLady]

not with that Judge..sorry did not like him in one of the live trials I watched and was a little peed he did not allow the family to have a lawyer to speak about some motion can not even remember what it was but they have been victims over and over and now by the courts one of the mothers could not be there on one date but they would not delay crap for her but they do for these EVIL MONSTERS..JMO


I'm just hoping his actions are a "front"...that, as trial nears, all defense motions will be quashed...Surely, as a Judge, he has the knowledge/gut instinct that the State's burden of proof is soooo over whelming and just doesn't want anything to go wrong...

This case is one of the most horrendous acts I have ever read about. Sometimes I find myself thinking too much about it, and just how much Chris & Channon endured at the hands of these devils. Dogmatic, I agree with you that Chris probably did try to protect Channon and that's what started the terror...

[iluvmua]

How come the Fox News Channel, HLN Prime News, Nancy Grace, 20/20, Dateline and 48 Hours Mystery etc. have never covered this case?

This case has got to be one of the most HORIFFIC crimes I have ever heard of.

If so many other cases are covered on one or more of the TV shows I've listed than why can't Channon and Chris's be?

[dgfred]

Maybe too gruesome for tv?

Personally I like trials where some quesswork is needed and the evidence ends up proving innocence or guilt... this one they definately got the right people (killers) involved/we will never know 'exactly' everything that happened to each of the victims/and the evidence just shows what horrible people these murderers are. I feel so sorry for the victims and it disgust me what happened to them. Like some others here, this case pops into my head quite often, probably since I have a 18yr old daughter and this could have happened to anyone.

[Dogmatic]

Maybe too gruesome for tv?

Personally I like trials where some quesswork is needed and the evidence ends up proving innocence or guilt... this one they definately got the right people (killers) involved/we will never know 'exactly' everything that happened to each of the victims/and the evidence just shows what horrible people these murderers are. I feel so sorry for the victims and it disgust me what happened to them. Like some others here, this case pops into my head quite often, probably since I have a 18yr old daughter and this could have happened to anyone.


Agreed.

However, I think the reason this did not get more press is far more sinister.

[wnb]

How come the Fox News Channel, HLN Prime News, Nancy Grace, 20/20, Dateline and 48 Hours Mystery etc. have never covered this case?

This case has got to be one of the most HORIFFIC crimes I have ever heard of.

If so many other cases are covered on one or more of the TV shows I've listed than why can't Channon and Chris's be?

About two years ago, there were segments on two shows. There was a short piece on Geraldo Rivera's Sunday night FNC show. The topic was on how horrible the crime was.

Paula Zahn's former show had a slightly longer segment. The theme on the Paula Zahn show was whether race was a factor in the coverage.

There hasn't been a thing on the shows that cover crime news about the Christian-Newsom murders since to my knowledge.

[Dogmatic]

About two years ago, there were segments on two shows. There was a short piece on Geraldo Rivera's Sunday night FNC show. The topic was on how horrible the crime was.

Paula Zahn's former show had a slightly longer segment. The theme on the Paula Zahn show was whether race was a factor in the coverage.

There hasn't been a thing on the shows that cover crime news about the Christian-Newsom murders since to my knowledge.

Why do you think there is so little coverage?

[wnb]

Why do you think there is so little coverage?

A lot of people have said that the MSM doesn't want to cover a horrific black on white crime. Despite the lack of coverage on TV, this upcoming trial has been discussed a lot on the internet. In Session has covered two Knoxville trials (McClean and Dossett-Leath) recently. This means that they know how to find Knoxville TN.

[Search4U]

I am pretty sure some folks here on the boards have forwarded info to Nancy Grace & others. I don't remember if they got a repsonse or not. I wonder if a nudge is in order, due to the fact trial times are approching?

[anais2005]

Has there been any indications as to whether any of these trials will be televised?

[iluvmua]

Has there been any indications as to whether any of these trials will be televised?

I don't know, I hope at least one of the trials would be televised.

hope all of them get sexually assaulted like they did to poor Chris and Channon. matter of fact, I hope one or all gets killed in prison.

I know this sounds VERY harsh, But they did showed NO feelings what so ever towards Channon and Chris.

[KittyMom]

http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=10388498

Families: time never heals pain of Christian - Newsom murders


Posted: May 19, 2009 12:48 PM EDT

By HANA KIM
6 News Reporter

KNOXVILLE (WATE) -- Two-and-half years after their children were carjacked, raped and murdered, the Christian and Newsom families are frustrated with the justice system and dealing with pain that never heals.

But as they continue awaiting the suspects' trials, Channon's father, Gary, said, "We are going through mortal hell in that courtroom."

The families say they aren't blaming the judge, but they're furious with the legal system they feel is protecting the people who took their children's lives.

[iluvmua]

Why would they delay the trials even more? it's been two and a half years, I don't understand what the hold up is.

[dgfred]

The order of the trials is also confusing :confused: . Why wouldn't they try the 'ring-leader' first and use the others as witness? I don't understand why they tried the accomplice first, unless they want to get some facts into evidence to use against the ones that were there from the start of the crime.

[DangerMouse]

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=88287&catid=2

Defense uses race to argue against the death penalty
Snip:
Defense attorneys for Lemaricus Davidson have signaled their intent to bring race into their legal battle to dismiss the death penalty as a possible sentence for their client.

[DangerMouse]

The order of the trials is also confusing :confused: . Why wouldn't they try the 'ring-leader' first and use the others as witness? I don't understand why they tried the accomplice first, unless they want to get some facts into evidence to use against the ones that were there from the start of the crime.

I agree. I was confused with the Boyd trial as well.

[anais2005]

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=88398&catid=2

plea deal was discussed but parents are determined to get the DP

[dgfred]

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=88398&catid=2

plea deal was discussed but parents are determined to get the DP

Don't blame them one bit... these people deserve it for sure!

[anais2005]

I don't agree with DP, so even for these 4 defendants I don't think it should be an available punishment

I still find it so hard to understand why it takes years to get to trial, the evidence never changes, and there is plenty of strong physical evidence in this case for a conviction, so the family has to just hang on for such a long time before it is all over

I hope we don't get too many more delays,

[dgfred]

Well, that is up to you as the individual... but these killers more than deserve it in my opinion.

[ExArkie]

Well, that is up to you as the individual... but these killers more than deserve it in my opinion.

I was on a DP jury about 5-6 years ago and IMHO the DP should be reserved for the VERY WORST of the worst - and unfortunately, these guys fit the bill - and I helped save my jury from going that way - and, it was not easy. If there is no DP for these thugs, then we should just outlaw the DP for everyone!:sad:

[iluvmua]

Cobbins trial delayed until August 12th.

[FFLady]

WBIR in Knoxville reporting that Cobbins Defense is trying to get DNA evidence thrown out....:confused:

[aubrey04]

Cobbins trial delayed until August 12th.

You've got to be kidding me! :rolleyes: This thing is going to drag on and on and on. I wonder if any of them will even be tried in 2009.. I know they're all scheduled for '09 but that seems unlikely to me.

[anais2005]

thanks for the update, both families must be livid,

[anais2005]

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=90323&catid=2

funding an issue, search warrant at issue, DNA an issue, Coleman wants immunity, and on and on it goes

[september]

How come the Fox News Channel, HLN Prime News, Nancy Grace, 20/20, Dateline and 48 Hours Mystery etc. have never covered this case?

This case has got to be one of the most HORIFFIC crimes I have ever heard of.

If so many other cases are covered on one or more of the TV shows I've listed than why can't Channon and Chris's be?

Oh please,iluvmua, surely you know the reason. One word race.:angry:

The networks won't touch this with a ten foot pole.

[Dogmatic]

thanks for the update, both families must be livid,

Justice is one thing, but we have innocent people in prison.

Meanwhile, these dirtbags are using up huge amounts of resources at the taxpayers expense. Enough already

[wnb]

Oh please,iluvmua, surely you know the reason. One word race.:angry:

The networks won't touch this with a ten foot pole.

The networks and the major newspapers think crimes like the Christian-Newsom murders get too much attention as it is. They think covering them causes "negative stereotypes."

A "stereotype" is something rooted in reality. Lies wouldn't worry the media types. They want to pretend that these crimes aren't happening.

[aubrey04]

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=90323&catid=2

funding an issue, search warrant at issue, DNA an issue, Coleman wants immunity, and on and on it goes

I don't see how the lawyers will get the DNA thrown out, but it's a tactic that almost every defense lawyer tries at every single trial.. so it isn't surprising.

And I doubt that the state needs Vanessa Coleman to get a conviction on any of these guys, so why in the world would they give her immunity? So, good luck on that.. maybe if she'd been more truthful from the jump - she could have cut a deal.. instead of continued lies. Like she didn't hear what was going on in that tiny house. puh-leaze. :rolleyes:

These people are not human.. they're depraved, savage animals.

[RayStar]

I don't see how the lawyers will get the DNA thrown out, but it's a tactic that almost every defense lawyer tries at every single trial.. so it isn't surprising.

And I doubt that the state needs Vanessa Coleman to get a conviction on any of these guys, so why in the world would they give her immunity? So, good luck on that.. maybe if she'd been more truthful from the jump - she could have cut a deal.. instead of continued lies. Like she didn't hear what was going on in that tiny house. puh-leaze. :rolleyes:

These people are not human.. they're depraved, savage animals.
If there is anything less Aubrey it fits also. This is the worst case ever.

[DangerMouse]

Knox police to examine phones in carjack slayings
2 1/2 years after carjack killings, detective seeks OK to look at 11 devices :cursing:
(Snip)
For more than two years, 11 cell phones seized in the days following the torture slaying of a Knox County couple sat in a police evidence room gathering dust.

That changed on June 17 when Knoxville Police Department Investigator Todd Childress quietly sought and won judicial approval to go fishing inside the devices for information he contends could provide authorities with a key time line in the fatal carjacking of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/jun/30/knox-police-to-examine-phones-in-slayings/#c888862

[dgfred]

Well, about time they look at the phone information... jeez! :confused:

[september]

The networks and the major newspapers think crimes like the Christian-Newsom murders get too much attention as it is. They think covering them causes "negative stereotypes."

A "stereotype" is something rooted in reality. Lies wouldn't worry the media types. They want to pretend that these crimes aren't happening.

Better be careful wnb, the pc police will get you. In Bernard Kelb's book "Bias" he talks about CBS filming at a prison and they were instructed to get mostly white prisoners in the shots......wouldn't want a "stereotype " reinforced would we?

[wnb]

Until you're a victim of stereotyping, you'll probably continue to believe that.

The victims in this case are Channon Christian, Christopher Newsom and their families.

[september]

The victims in this case are Channon Christian, Christopher Newsom and their families.

wnb, sometimes iggy is your best friend.

[Mandysmom]

I was on a DP jury about 5-6 years ago and IMHO the DP should be reserved for the VERY WORST of the worst - and unfortunately, these guys fit the bill - and I helped save my jury from going that way - and, it was not easy. If there is no DP for these thugs, then we should just outlaw the DP for everyone!:sad:
Absolutely agree with you!

These are not humans, they are monsters who do not deserve to ever breathe free air again.

Prison is too good for them imo. Lethal injection is too good for them. Monsters, every one.

:cursing:

[ExArkie]

Bump - to keep CW from deleting this thread - remember the old thread which disappeared.

[Search4U]

I sure hope she doesn't delete it....it's been deleted several times, actually.

Here's some follow-up news
Alleged torture slaying ringleader Lemaricus Davidson told authorities he promised on his daughter's life to save Channon Christian.


http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/jul/18/transcript-davidson-says-he-told-christian-he-woul/

[disneyfreak]

I was on a DP jury about 5-6 years ago and IMHO the DP should be reserved for the VERY WORST of the worst - and unfortunately, these guys fit the bill - and I helped save my jury from going that way - and, it was not easy. If there is no DP for these thugs, then we should just outlaw the DP for everyone!:sad:

I am with you. The DP should be reserved for the worst of the worst. Serial killers, those that torture and/or hold their victims over time (like this case and Jesse James Hollywood) etc.

It should be used sparingly and this is one of those cases. IF it ever goes to trial (I have seen cases go on for years in pre-trial motions etc)

[aubrey04]

There is a battle between the defense and prosecution over whether BEFORE photos of Channon and Christopher can be shown to the jury...

http://www.wate.com/global/story.asp?s=10743849

Also, Christopher and Channon's families got to view the graphic, gruesome "after" pictures, which included many autopsy pictures. I don't think I would want to see that, but I can understand Christopher's fathers reasoning.

http://www.volunteertv.com/news/headlines/50974142.html

[RayStar]

I can't imagine the horror of being on that jury and having to watch all that evil.Hot darn Rachel. You are so correct. This is the worst crime next to Jessica by that crayon coloring book Couey. I know that sentence does not make sense. I feel for the jurors who will have to listen to this trial. Now this is a real reason to get off jury duty!

[iluvmua]

www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/jul/20/interrogation-torture-slaying-suspect-released-tod/.

[FFLady]

Sheesh - between Slim's, Rome's & Nessie's interrogations, I couldn't really understand a word of what they were saying, and I was reading the transcript!!! :confused: Can't wait to read what G's says....:huh:

[Dogmatic]

Sheesh - between Slim's, Rome's & Nessie's interrogations, I couldn't really understand a word of what they were saying, and I was reading the transcript!!! :confused: Can't wait to read what G's says....:huh:

Amen. Those three and their "version" of the English language is a complete nightmare.

I love how they all act so innocent, like they have no responsibility toward what happened. Not one of them felt the responsibility to seek help for Chris or Channon.

Unreal. Disgusting pigs, all of them.

[aubrey04]

Sheesh - between Slim's, Rome's & Nessie's interrogations, I couldn't really understand a word of what they were saying, and I was reading the transcript!!! :confused: Can't wait to read what G's says....:huh:

Wow. I know. I've never seen one use the 'g*d d*mmit' (sic) phrase so much for no apparent reason either. It didn't even fit into his sentences. He's a compulsive liar - he got caught in so many lies that entire thing made my head spin.

I've got a question, which I don't think I have read yet - so not sure if this info has been released or talked about.

Christopher was sodomized - was he actually raped? Was there DNA from Cobbins and Davidson in Christopher.. or only Channon? I was trying to figure out if they sodomized him with an object or actually had physical contact. I know they did all the above with poor Channon.

This crime is truly astonishing. How the parents of Channon and Christopher contain themselves is beyond my realm of thought. I guess you do what you have to do in that situation but the pain they must endure ever day must be unbearable. God bless them..

[Dogmatic]

Wow. I know. I've never seen one use the 'g*d d*mmit' (sic) phrase so much for no apparent reason either. It didn't even fit into his sentences. He's a compulsive liar - he got caught in so many lies that entire thing made my head spin.

I've got a question, which I don't think I have read yet - so not sure if this info has been released or talked about.

Christopher was sodomized - was he actually raped? Was there DNA from Cobbins and Davidson in Christopher.. or only Channon? I was trying to figure out if they sodomized him with an object or actually had physical contact. I know they did all the above with poor Channon.

This crime is truly astonishing. How the parents of Channon and Christopher contain themselves is beyond my realm of thought. I guess you do what you have to do in that situation but the pain they must endure ever day must be unbearable. God bless them..

Good question. I don't know the answer

[Dogmatic]

When do the trials start for these demented demons?

[MoonFlwr]

When do the trials start for these demented demons?

Updated trial dates are at the bottom of the first page at the link :)

http://jurorthirteen.com/ChristianNewsomMurders/tabid/1199/Default.aspx

[iluvmua]

www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/jul/24/defense,

link will not work

[ExArkie]

Here are the trial dates (of course, they may be changed again):

Cobbins' trial had been pushed back to July 6. Now scheduled for August 12.

Vanessa Coleman's trial date has been set for August 10. Now delayed. No date set.

Lemaricus Davidson's trial date is set for September 21.

George Thomas will go to trial December 2.

[wnb]

Wow. I know. I've never seen one use the 'g*d d*mmit' (sic) phrase so much for no apparent reason either. It didn't even fit into his sentences. He's a compulsive liar - he got caught in so many lies that entire thing made my head spin.

I've got a question, which I don't think I have read yet - so not sure if this info has been released or talked about.

Christopher was sodomized - was he actually raped? Was there DNA from Cobbins and Davidson in Christopher.. or only Channon? I was trying to figure out if they sodomized him with an object or actually had physical contact. I know they did all the above with poor Channon.

This crime is truly astonishing. How the parents of Channon and Christopher contain themselves is beyond my realm of thought. I guess you do what you have to do in that situation but the pain they must endure ever day must be unbearable. God bless them..

DNA evidence ties Davidson to Christian, and statements by all four co-defendants claim he carried out one murder, and ordered the other murder.

DNA evidence ties Cobbins to Christian, but no co-defendant statements claim he carried out either killing.

No DNA evidence ties Thomas to Christian, but co-defendant statements claim he admitted to killing Newsom.

The authorities have said from the start that Newsom was raped. They haven't said if they have any DNA evidence of this, but say that Newsom was raped by an "object." The defendants are the only living witnesses to what happened. The above information comes from a lengthy article (http://www.vdare.com/stix/090328_prosecutions.htm) in March by Nicholas Stix.

[MoonFlwr]

This crime is truly astonishing. How the parents of Channon and Christopher contain themselves is beyond my realm of thought. I guess you do what you have to do in that situation but the pain they must endure ever day must be unbearable. God bless them..

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I know! It is incomprehensible! Every time I even see a picture of one of their parents my body wants to collapse. :(

[MoonFlwr]

Amen. Those three and their "version" of the English language is a complete nightmare.

I love how they all act so innocent, like they have no responsibility toward what happened. Not one of them felt the responsibility to seek help for Chris or Channon.

Unreal. Disgusting pigs, all of them.

Yeah, I couldn't get over how the 2 brothers just kept trying to absolve themselves by saying they weren't there. Breaking down and getting upset..crying ... during the interrogation - where were the 'big men' that took part in this despicable crime, during the interrogations!?

Did they seriously think they were going to walk away from this!?

[aubrey04]

DNA evidence ties Davidson to Christian, and statements by all four co-defendants claim he carried out one murder, and ordered the other murder.

DNA evidence ties Cobbins to Christian, but no co-defendant statements claim he carried out either killing.

No DNA evidence ties Thomas to Christian, but co-defendant statements claim he admitted to killing Newsom.

The authorities have said from the start that Newsom was raped. They haven't said if they have any DNA evidence of this, but say that Newsom was raped by an "object." The defendants are the only living witnesses to what happened. The above information comes from a lengthy article (http://www.vdare.com/stix/090328_prosecutions.htm) in March by Nicholas Stix.


wnb,

Thank you for that information. These monsters had a lot of rage in them to do the things they did... I wonder where it stems from. I hope that Cobbins trial goes as scheduled - the delays have gone on long enough for the families.

[dgfred]

I too was struck (shocked) by the rage, hate and evilness of the whole ordeal. I couldn't believe not one of them thought about the consequences of what they were doing.

[aubrey04]

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I know! It is incomprehensible! Every time I even see a picture of one of their parents my body wants to collapse. :(

I know how you feel. On more than one occasion I have opted to just read an article with comments from family members VS watching the video, because it is very upsetting to even see the parents speak.


The fact that they have to go through FIVE trials, including all the pre-trial motions - which seem to be never-ending.. is horrific. The games the defense lawyers are playing just add more salt to their open wounds.

At least they're through with Eric Boyd. I still think he was more involved and got off light, but at least the streets are safe for at least 18 years.

[FFLady]

I know how you feel. On more than one occasion I have opted to just read an article with comments from family members VS watching the video, because it is very upsetting to even see the parents speak.


The fact that they have to go through FIVE trials, including all the pre-trial motions - which seem to be never-ending.. is horrific. The games the defense lawyers are playing just add more salt to their open wounds.
At least they're through with Eric Boyd. I still think he was more involved and got off light, but at least the streets are safe for at least 18 years.


My guess is that these Public Defender's were so pi$$ed to get put on this case, that this game-play is their way of "getting back" at the Judge...just my opinion....I certainly wouldn't want to defend any of these Satan-spawned thugs.....LET THE TRIALS BEGIN!!!!!!

[september]

My guess is that these Public Defender's were so pi$$ed to get put on this case, that this game-play is their way of "getting back" at the Judge...just my opinion....I certainly wouldn't want to defend any of these Satan-spawned thugs.....LET THE TRIALS BEGIN!!!!!!

Defense lawyers do not think like you and me. Lyons (Casey Anthoniy's newest lawyer) let a man sit in prison for 26 years knowing he was not guilty. She refused to put her client (the guy who had actually committed the crime) at risk. She was not the attorney for the POS who did the crime but his attorneys spoke with her. Now I ask you how do you sleep at nite with that kind of a value system? :confused:

[RayStar]

I just read that the jury will be sequestered. That's awful.
www.knoxnews.com

I need to travel to Tennessee.

[Dogmatic]

Defense lawyers do not think like you and me. Lyons (Casey Anthoniy's newest lawyer) let a man sit in prison for 26 years knowing he was not guilty. She refused to put her client (the guy who had actually committed the crime) at risk. She was not the attorney for the POS who did the crime but his attorneys spoke with her. Now I ask you how do you sleep at nite with that kind of a value system? :confused:

In cases such as this one, I don't need forensic evidence to determine who actually pulled the trigger or who actually, eventually caused the death. If they were in that tiny home, they knew what was going down, they could have prevented it, they either witnessed or took part in the torture that led up to the murders. They are all guilty and all deserve the death penalty as they are the worst of the worst.

JMHO

[DeeN]

from having to defend these guys. However, their efforts were futile.
I guess if you're a public defense attorney-you don't get to choose-Period.
This case alone would make me switch to the prosecutions side! :sad:

I'm a little confused because I thought the first trial was to start 7/21-or is that 7/21/10?



My guess is that these Public Defender's were so pi$$ed to get put on this case, that this game-play is their way of "getting back" at the Judge...just my opinion....I certainly wouldn't want to defend any of these Satan-spawned thugs.....LET THE TRIALS BEGIN!!!!!!

[wnb]

On Monday, the judge announced the jury would be from Davidson County (Nashville). They will be bussed to Knoxville. This is in addition to being sequestered once chosen.

[DeeN]

Looks like maybe the end of August?

Jurors polled in Nashville for Christian - Newsom murders trial
Posted: Jul 27, 2009 7:09 AM PDT
Updated: Jul 27, 2009 3:33 PM PDT

Letalvis CobbinsBy HANA KIM
6 News Reporter

NASHVILLE (WATE) -- The search for a jury in the first trial of the suspects accused of killing Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom took the court to Nashville Monday.

Judge Richard Baumgartner and attorneys for both sides are involved in the polling of hundreds of potential jurors in Davidson County for the trial of Letalvis Cobbins.

A nine person security team also brought Cobbins to Nashville for the polling. He sat with his attorneys. His trial is slated to be begin on Wednesday, August 12.

Three other suspects are charged in the case: Lemaricus Davidson, George Thomas and Vanessa Coleman.

The questionnaire has 120 questions including a section devoted to the media. Some of the questions ask how respondents get their news, if they've ever written a letter to an editor and whether they write Internet blogs on post comments on media Web sites?

In April, Judge Baumgartner ruled to allow unrestricted media coverage in the trials. All four suspects had asked the court to order media outlets to prohibit people from posting comments about stories related to the case.

There's also a section of poll questions asking about the case itself, including whether the jury pool has ever heard of it, blogged about it or commented on it online.

Some questions ask respondents how they deal with racial differences. For example, question 92 says, "Have you ever had an argument, conflict, confrontation or very unpleasant experience with a person or a race or ethnic origin different from yours?"

The two murder victims in this case were both white. The four suspects are black.

Question #104 asks potential jurors, "Do you have any moral, religious or other beliefs which may prevent you from considering the death penalty in this case?" The suspects are all facing the death penalty.

A later question on the death penalty asks if respondents believe it's more expensive to execute someone or imprison him for life.

The suspects' attorneys have challenged the death penalty in several motions, including that it's unconstitutional because it costs more than a sentence of life in prison and that it's racially biased. So far, all the motions have been denied.

Another poll question asks respondents if they believe the criminal justice system is too strict, too lenient or about right.

After answering, the jury pool came to a courtroom in the downtown Nashville courthouse.

The jury will be sequestered so those with acceptable reasons they can't meet this requirement are being dismissed.

Stephanie Howard was dismissed due to her beliefs regarding the death penalty. She told 6 News she believes a person found guilty should be imprisoned, not put to death.

Howard said she believes it's wrong for a murderer to kill and it's wrong for him or her to be executed as well.

The jury pool was asked to return to court on August 12 and 13 so attorneys can start their individual questioning.

[dgfred]

Well if you have even heard just a tidbit of this case... you know what all these 'people' deserve. So anybody from the immediate area and anyone even reading about it one time would be out... monsters they were/are.

[RayStar]

Well if you have even heard just a tidbit of this case... you know what all these 'people' deserve. So anybody from the immediate area and anyone even reading about it one time would be out... monsters they were/are.
Thank you for being so kind in calling them monsters. What I call them cannot be posted. This case makes you want to weep.

[Dogmatic]

This is one of those trials that really needs to happen. As if the crimes themselves are not disgusting enough, the time between the crime and justice is horrific.

The families and friends of Channon and Chris will never know peace again. They will forever invision the final hours of their loved ones. All they can hope for at this point is that the rest of society can be a little more at peace, knowing that those capable of such unspeakable torture are locked away for life.

Justice needs to happen and it needs to prevail.

[FFLady]

I totally agree Dog.....

In the words of "E" Boyd, "Bring It".....

[anais2005]

finally it appears that one of the trials is at least moving forward, I think they will find it difficult to seat a jury though,

[aubrey04]

I wish this one was televised, but I know it won't be. I wonder how many people know about this crime in the Tennessee area. I am in Texas and whenever I bring it up -- people look at me with a blank stare. It just was never really covered on a national level.

Does anyone here live in Tennessee who could tell us what the coverage has been like in the news? (Outside of Knoxville, but still in Tennessee)..

I would NOT want to be on this jury. I feel sorry for anyone who has to endure this trial. It would like going into the depths of hell each day in court.

I have now listened to all of the interviews - I had to keep going back to Vanessa's especially.. I had to take breaks..

[FFLady]

Anyone want to speculate this move?

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=94686&catid=2

[dgfred]

In the comments someone speculated this was so after convicted in his own county... they would come back and appeal that it wasn't a fair trial because of the tainted jury (that he requested :rolleyes: ).

[aubrey04]

Anyone want to speculate this move?

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=94686&catid=2

I am sure there is a reason for this. Maybe he is hoping people he knows will be picked as jurors.. Or perhaps, he's hoping to just delay his trial a little longer while the judge looks over the motions.

Davidson is really the lowest of the low. A spineless, cowardly, little punk. I can't imagine the cost of his defense - all the motions & court time.. What a waste of tax payer money.. Something he NEVER contributed to - as he never held a dang job!.. all trying in a futile attempt to save his worthless existence.

I understand everyone is entitled to a lawyer and a decent defense in this country - to ensure their rights aren't violated.. but sometimes it is a real slap in the face when people like this play these games with the court... all on tax payers dime while continuing to toy with the emotions of the victims families and friends.. When these scumbags didn't show their victims an ounce of mercy.

If he's so tough - he should take his punishment like a man.

[wnb]

I wish this one was televised, but I know it won't be. I wonder how many people know about this crime in the Tennessee area. I am in Texas and whenever I bring it up -- people look at me with a blank stare. It just was never really covered on a national level.

Does anyone here live in Tennessee who could tell us what the coverage has been like in the news? (Outside of Knoxville, but still in Tennessee)..

I would NOT want to be on this jury. I feel sorry for anyone who has to endure this trial. It would like going into the depths of hell each day in court.

I have now listened to all of the interviews - I had to keep going back to Vanessa's especially.. I had to take breaks..

I live in Middle Tennessee, some 250 miles away from Knoxville. The crime has been heavily covered in Knoxville, but there has been very little coverage elsewhere in Tennessee. When the first questionnaires were given to the prospective jurors in Davidson County (Nashville), very few had even heard of the case. There would be little difficulty in finding jurors who had no prior opinion for the Cobbins trial, which is the first.

[iluvmua]

www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/aug/01/cobbins-lawyers-question-death-penalty-decisions/

OMG, getting the needle is NOTHING compared to what Channon and Chris had to endure mentally and physically.

all 4 defendents will still have a life, Channon & Chris do not.

Davidson's trial begins September 21st.

[iluvmua]

I wish this one was televised, but I know it won't be. I wonder how many people know about this crime in the Tennessee area. I am in Texas and whenever I bring it up -- people look at me with a blank stare. It just was never really covered on a national level.

Does anyone here live in Tennessee who could tell us what the coverage has been like in the news? (Outside of Knoxville, but still in Tennessee)..

I would NOT want to be on this jury. I feel sorry for anyone who has to endure this trial. It would like going into the depths of hell each day in court.

I have now listened to all of the interviews - I had to keep going back to Vanessa's especially.. I had to take breaks..

I'm sure once all of the trials are completed Dateline, 20/20, Primetime Crime (airs in the summer) and/or 48 Hours Mystery will do a story on this brutal crime.

IMO, this story needs to be told

it's just TOO horrific to be ignored

[iluvmua]

www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/aug/03/documents-relating-christian-newsom-murders-knoxvi/


These may take a while to read.

[aubrey04]

www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/aug/03/documents-relating-christian-newsom-murders-knoxvi/


These may take a while to read.

Ugh. Thanks for the link.

The "State's motions detailing specifics of alleged rapes" link states that semen was found in Christopher's rectum.. They believe he was raped with an object, then "penile penetration".. :angry:

Here is the link:
http://web.knoxnews.com/pdf/053009carjack-motion-rapes.pdf

[Dogmatic]

Sigh........

They tried to burn the mortal remains of Chris to cover their disgusting deeds.

They tried to use cleaning solvent to destroy evidence of their crimes against Channon.


I'm not convinced that these four are the only perps. Obviously they are the ones that did the most, but I will always believe there was a whole host of people who took part.

And Daphne................well............Daphne may have been able to save Channon's life had she reacted and called 911. I fear Chris was already gone, but Channon may have been saved if Daphne could have mustered one ounce of moral character.

[grammaw]

Sigh........

They tried to burn the mortal remains of Chris to cover their disgusting deeds.

They tried to use cleaning solvent to destroy evidence of their crimes against Channon.


I'm not convinced that these four are the only perps. Obviously they are the ones that did the most, but I will always believe there was a whole host of people who took part.

And Daphne................well............Daphne may have been able to save Channon's life had she reacted and called 911. I fear Chris was already gone, but Channon may have been saved if Daphne could have mustered one ounce of moral character.

I read today where the transcripts of calls between Davidson and Daphne were released,but not published and that I saw,a person like this (I don't even want to call him a person)swearing to God that he had no part in this horrendous crime against a human being is so evil,and then for Daphne calling him "Baby"Gross!!She had some real taste in a "Man",huh?

[Dogmatic]

I read today where the transcripts of calls between Davidson and Daphne were released,but not published and that I saw,a person like this (I don't even want to call him a person)swearing to God that he had no part in this horrendous crime against a human being is so evil,and then for Daphne calling him "Baby"Gross!!She had some real taste in a "Man",huh?


It's my opinion that he was saying he was innocent because he was certain the burning and the cleaning solvent had destroyed any evidence that would convict him of the violating crimes he had committed against these two young people.

He was wrong, and is the violent lying thief and murderer that he is being accused of. I fear the child of his that is being raised by the likes of Daphne.

[grammaw]

It's my opinion that he was saying he was innocent because he was certain the burning and the cleaning solvent had destroyed any evidence that would convict him of the violating crimes he had committed against these two young people.

He was wrong, and is the violent lying thief and murderer that he is being accused of. I fear the child of his that is being raised by the likes of Daphne.

Can you imagine the stigma of being known as that monsters child!I so pity that child,since his Mother has no idea of a decent man and who knows what she already knew about this gigantic loser before she ever became pregnant.Totally stupid!!

[dgfred]

Reading all the transcripts... it sure didn't take much for them to turn on each other, you would think brothers would take up for each other at least a little bit.

[grammaw]

What got me ROTFL was how in Davidson's transcripts,he kept saying he wasn't a stupid man,he was much more than that!!Big Loser!!He deserves to fry a couple of times!!!!

[dgfred]

It is hard to figure the evil these people... I don't think they believed for one minute they would get away with it, but were scared or didn't care enough to at least protest what was going on. The terror the two victims must of felt is hard to get out of your mind.

[grammaw]

It is hard to figure the evil these people... I don't think they believed for one minute they would get away with it, but were scared or didn't care enough to at least protest what was going on. The terror the two victims must of felt is hard to get out of your mind.

You better believe it!And to think that Vanessa Coleman said"she didn't hear nothing from her"meaning Shannon,is too unbelievable to conjure up!What a bunch of liars they all are!I only hope they get sensible jurors in that box,no namby-pambies,or 15 minutes of famers,I always said that people would go for the death penalty more often if it happened like this to one of their family members,but those people would be the first to be let go out of the jury pool.I only want justice for this family!And their children!!Lets get this ball rolling!!

[dgfred]

In the interrogations- both brothers claim the other was/is 'gone crazy' or 'done some crazy chit'... if both new that what was going on was CRAZY... why didn't one or the other put a stop to it instead of going along for the 'crazy' ride?

[Dogmatic]

In the interrogations- both brothers claim the other was/is 'gone crazy' or 'done some crazy chit'... if both new that what was going on was CRAZY... why didn't one or the other put a stop to it instead of going along for the 'crazy' ride?


They have just enough intelligence to be dangerous. They knew how to destroy evidence, (burning and cleaning solvent) they knew that if they commit crimes in groups and point the finger at each other, it's pretty impossible to determine exactly who did what.

This is why group crimes are so scary.

Fortunately, in this case some of the dna evidence was not destroyed.


I'm a big fan of stiffer penalties for crimes done in packs, groups or gangs.

[dgfred]

Well I'm just so thankful that 'Slim's' fingerprint was found on the envelope... if not no telling how long it would have taken to figure out who did this and even longer to dig through all the lies.

[Dogmatic]

Well I'm just so thankful that 'Slim's' fingerprint was found on the envelope... if not no telling how long it would have taken to figure out who did this and even longer to dig through all the lies.

So true. I'm guessing without the fingerprint that poor Channon's mortal remains would have probably ended up in the landfill and may never have been found.

These trials need to get a move on..........it's been too long.

[FFLady]

I don't live in Tenn, but I must say, I have NEVER seen a court system such as this one. I have to, in my hearts of all hearts, believe that this Judge knows exactly what he is doing, but I can't help but feel frustration for the (real) victim's family, everytime I read that this is being done, or that is being done...saying a hair found on Channon's body can not be used for evidence because it could belong to either one of the brothers, not a big deal, because there is also other DNA that could conclude who the rightful owner is....But this has seriously got to be one of the most ridiculous justice processes I have ever followed......:confused:

[grammaw]

I don't live in Tenn, but I must say, I have NEVER seen a court system such as this one. I have to, in my hearts of all hearts, believe that this Judge knows exactly what he is doing, but I can't help but feel frustration for the (real) victim's family, everytime I read that this is being done, or that is being done...saying a hair found on Channon's body can not be used for evidence because it could belong to either one of the brothers, not a big deal, because there is also other DNA that could conclude who the rightful owner is....But this has seriously got to be one of the most ridiculous justice processes I have ever followed......:confused:

It's unbelievable what defendants rights as compared to victims of such as this horrendous crime have come before the poor victims.The justice system has gone way beyond being fair to both parties.I hope and pray that the families of Shannon and Chris stay strong and show their outrage if this trial doesn't find real justice for their children.Strength for the detail they will have to endure of their children's torture at the hands of these MONSTERS.Keep your feeling out there for wanting justice.It will help!

[grammaw]

So true. I'm guessing without the fingerprint that poor Channon's mortal remains would have probably ended up in the landfill and may never have been found.

These trials need to get a move on..........it's been too long.

Way too long!This should have been over and done with,but these defendants seem to have the cards in their favor,for some reason.Does the judge have an affection for one of their lawyers or what?Get it on,Judge.Justice is needed BIG TIME!Is August trial date still set?I get on Knoxville news daily to find out. I"m waiting!!

[dgfred]

Vanessa should have been tried first to 'tell' on all the other's involvement... the rest would have fallen like a house of cards. All the rest will lie to minimize their involvement. Of course Vanessa is doing the same thing :mad: , but absolutely nobody will believe she didn't hear what was happening in that room nearby.

[Dogmatic]

Vanessa should have been tried first to 'tell' on all the other's involvement... the rest would have fallen like a house of cards. All the rest will lie to minimize their involvement. Of course Vanessa is doing the same thing :mad: , but absolutely nobody will believe she didn't hear what was happening in that room nearby.

I saw pictures of the house. Tiny. No way anyone that spent any time at all in there didn't hear what was going on. They all participated. I truly think that if we could all hear and see exactly what was said and done to Chris and Channon that we would go out of our minds with rage.

[grammaw]

I saw pictures of the house. Tiny. No way anyone that spent any time at all in there didn't hear what was going on. They all participated. I truly think that if we could all hear and see exactly what was said and done to Chris and Channon that we would go out of our minds with rage.

Yes,I did too,and just a curtain hanging over the door,please!Plus vanessa didn't hear anything from the garbage can when she was cooking in that very kitchen the day before and suddenly there is a can in the corner.No one will believe that either.I know the parents are outraged already by watching their interviews after the judge's decisions.I would be too!Way too long for this trial!!

[Dogmatic]

That's why I'm not following this story closely. My mind DOES create vivid pictures - almost as if I can see things that are happening.

That's why I don't ever understand why videos of crimes - beatings, etc., get the public so riled and words don't. When I read the words, I see the images. I don't need a video. I already know what it looks like.

And I can't bear to think of these images. I want them all sentenced, and gone from society, but I don't want to read the details of this horror.

I understand. I, too, create images in my mind without video or audio.

Somehow, although it may seem distorted, I feel like I owe it to Channon and Chris to endure the images and the details of the unspeakable crime. I want to know that each person responsible for this crime pays the ultimate penalty. My fear is not that the "main four" won't pay. My fear is that there were more than four participants, and some may skate free.

[FFLady]

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/aug/08/cobbins-trial-in-slayings-will-go-on-as/

:thumbsup:

This is great news!!!

[ExArkie]

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/aug/08/cobbins-trial-in-slayings-will-go-on-as/

:thumbsup:

This is great news!!!

If you are not familiar with this case, check it out! It has to be just about the worse there is. I wish IS would cover it - but, I'm sure they wont - for many, many reasons!

[FFLady]

I agree ExArkie, horrible.....I have followed this case from day one...

Justice!!!

[flareon]

If you are not familiar with this case, check it out! It has to be just about the worse there is. I wish IS would cover it - but, I'm sure they wont - for many, many reasons!

This case was horrible. It always reminded me of the complete lack of humanity that was evident in the Wichita murders.

Sometimes it is shocking to see how depraved some human beings can be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wichita_Massacre

[MoonFlwr]

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/aug/08/cobbins-trial-in-slayings-will-go-on-as/

:thumbsup:

This is great news!!!

Wow! I agree! Thanks for the update!

I read up on this case and listened to the suspects' interrogations etc, so I was trying to keep an eye out for trial dates.

[aubrey04]

This case was horrible. It always reminded me of the complete lack of humanity that was evident in the Wichita murders.

Sometimes it is shocking to see how depraved some human beings can be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wichita_Massacre

It does remind me of the "Wichita Massacre" - in fact, I was reading an article about the Wichita Massacre which lead me to the Newsom/Christian case.. there was so little coverage of the Newsom/Christian murders - that I didn't hear about it in Texas when it first happened.

I am just glad this case is going on as scheduled. The wait has been long enough.

[aubrey04]

If you are not familiar with this case, check it out! It has to be just about the worse there is. I wish IS would cover it - but, I'm sure they wont - for many, many reasons!

Yes, I wish they would too, but as you said - there is just no way that it will be. I hope every one of them gets the DP, especially Cobbins and Davidson.

imo

[september]

Two things I know:
1.This will not get national coverage.
2.No cameras in the courtroom.

Anyone want to guess why?:confused:

[grammaw]

Two things I know:
1.This will not get national coverage.
2.No cameras in the courtroom.

Anyone want to guess why?:confused:

I hope I get three guesses,because the first two won't count!I only want these parents to get thru this trial in one piece(On with their life,I mean)and they get a jury that will give these two families the justice they deserve!!Bring it on!!

[aubrey04]

Two things I know:
1.This will not get national coverage.
2.No cameras in the courtroom.

Anyone want to guess why?:confused:

Well, I know what part of it is - the media doesn't want to touch this thing with a ten-foot pole. Maybe they are afraid it will incite people - who knows?

Part of me thinks that the sadastic nature of the crime might play a smaller part of the reason why it is ignored.. however, Dahmer's crimes were barbaric and savage, but they got a lot of play in the media..

Cameras were in the court room for the trial of JP Orlewicz and that crime was very graphic and heinous.

I do plan on keeping up with this trial via one of the local news sites in Knoxville.. knoxnews.com has done a good job keeping tabs on it.

Hopefully a reporter will twitter during the trial and paraphrase what is going on throughout the day - I saw that done in other trials recently... I do wish it was televised and/or live streamed though..

imo

[FFLady]

Oh yes Aubrey!!! Twitter!!! I want the play-by-play telling us how "Rome" is squirmming in his chair!!!!!!!!! :thumbup:

[SavannahStar]

If you are not familiar with this case, check it out! It has to be just about the worse there is. I wish IS would cover it - but, I'm sure they wont - for many, many reasons!

I've heard of the case and was, of course, horrified. Haven't kept up with it though, and could not watch even if it were televised. Some cases are just TOO much for me to handle. This is one. :sad:

[aubrey04]

Oh yes Aubrey!!! Twitter!!! I want the play-by-play telling us how "Rome" is squirmming in his chair!!!!!!!!! :thumbup:

I'd love to see him squirming too, especially during the DNA testimony which (allegedly) nails him. I hope the media releases the jailhouse tapes of Rome (and G) - I want to hear what these idiots said that was so inciminating.

It still shocks me that people are so open during their jailhouse visits - reminds me of the Casey Anthony case.. How can you NOT know that you're being recorded? I am not sure about the Knox County jail, but I know in Orange County Jail where Casey was being held - there were signs up warning visitors/inmates that they're being recorded..

One would think that with the extensive criminal backgrounds of these defendants - they'd know that they were being recorded, even if there was no signs.

They're just a bunch of barbaric nitwits!

[FFLady]

Not that I'm an expert on gang members, but don't they like to "brag"? I hope those jail conversations are released to the public. Once they are entered to as evidence, don't they become public "record"?

Trial starts Wednesday!!!! :thumbsup:

[grammaw]

Not that I'm an expert on gang members, but don't they like to "brag"? I hope those jail conversations are released to the public. Once they are entered to as evidence, don't they become public "record"?

Trial starts Wednesday!!!! :thumbsup:

Wonderful,long overdue,hope they get a smart jury.BTW,when I said before I saw pictures of that house being destroyed did not mean what-so-ever that I would want to see ANY of the graphic photos of these two victims.I feel so extremely bad that the parents would see them!I know I wouldn't sleep at nite!Poor jury too,I just hope they get fried!Still too easy for these monsters!

[Dogmatic]

I'm delighted the Judge is keeping this in motion, however a part of me feels that all of the autopsy photographs should be allowed in as evidence. The Judge stated that a handful of the photographs were "too gruesome" to be used.

They can't be too gruesome. They represent the truth, as painful and gruesome as it is. No sugar coating can downplay the hate and violence that took place that night by the hands of a bunch of gang bangers.

[dgfred]

Well I agree, but I don't want anything to get in the way of these monsters getting what they deserve.
A few pictures will more than show what these monsters did.
Too many 'might' prejudice the jury somewhat... how could it not?
Just so none of them weasel out of this, I'll be content.

[Dogmatic]

Well I agree, but I don't want anything to get in the way of these monsters getting what they deserve.
A few pictures will more than show what these monsters did.
Too many 'might' prejudice the jury somewhat... how could it not?
Just so none of them weasel out of this, I'll be content.

I don't want anything to get in the way of justice either. I just hope we have ALL of the culprits.

I still think Daphne knew more than she is letting on

[wnb]

Tennessee is pretty camera-friendly in regards to televising trials. The Nashville TV stations streamed the Marcia Trimble murder trial last month. IS televised the trial. The Knoxville stations might stream the Christian-Newsom trials. I haven't seen any word on whether cameras will be allowed or not.

[RayStar]

I hope we get good updates on this trial. I so wish the jury gives all of them the DP. I'm not sure if the trial should be televised. This is a HOT one.

[anais2005]

Tennessee is pretty camera-friendly in regards to televising trials. The Nashville TV stations streamed the Marcia Trimble murder trial last month. IS televised the trial. The Knoxville stations might stream the Christian-Newsom trials. I haven't seen any word on whether cameras will be allowed or not.

The family appear to want all the details about these crimes placed in the public domain, with that premise I hope a TV station picks it up and streams it, it was an horrendous crime and they may be a bit squeamish about the evidence and testimony that will be revealed, but with the families wanting it made known the horrors that were inflicted on there children I hope we get to see it live

[dgfred]

For some reason I am doubting this one will be televised. I'm thinking it is just too gruesome to be on tv for kids and all to see or hear.

[FFLady]

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/aug/11/judge-allows-phone-calls-with-foul-language/

[RayStar]

After reading that article, why don't these guys just plead out? I feel like I know enough already. Just the thought of the crimes, fills me with pain and anger!

[FFLady]

RayStar I don't think they are smart enough. After reading their interrogation transcripts, I can't wait to see what the defense uses....surely Rome doesn't think we are dumb enough to believe his story on how his DNA got in Channon's mouth....not that I'm on the jury, but I wouldn't buy it...

What's odd is how these guys act like it was just a normal day on Chipman, a little morning delight between Rome & Nessie, then her going into the kitchen to cook breakfast...and all the while, all the evil that was going on in that house.....

PUH LEEZ!!!!!

[Dogmatic]

RayStar I don't think they are smart enough. After reading their interrogation transcripts, I can't wait to see what the defense uses....surely Rome doesn't think we are dumb enough to believe his story on how his DNA got in Channon's mouth....not that I'm on the jury, but I wouldn't buy it...

What's odd is how these guys act like it was just a normal day on Chipman, a little morning delight between Rome & Nessie, then her going into the kitchen to cook breakfast...and all the while, all the evil that was going on in that house.....

PUH LEEZ!!!!!

My thoughts exactly.

[RayStar]

Worst bunch ever.
I really think I should have sympathy for the jury. The final verdict can't get here soon enough for me.

[FFLady]

If anyone is interested, you can follow (the Reporter) Jamie Satterfield's Tweets here: https://twitter.com/jamiescoop.

[wnb]

After reading that article, why don't these guys just plead out? I feel like I know enough already. Just the thought of the crimes, fills me with pain and anger!

At least one of the suspects did offer to plead to life imprisonment. The authorities wanted to accept the plea, but the parents of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom were against it. The parents were told that imprisonment meant being confined to a small cell for 23 hours of each day.

The parents were even taken to the prison the suspects would be sent to and found that prison life wasn't as bad as they were told. Prisoners on death row were playing handball and those in the general population were playing cards. They even talked to some of the inmates. Channon Christian's father said that the prison area wasn't as well manicured as the Augusta Country Club but "it wasn't far from it."

There would be a lot of public criticism of Knoxvile law enforcement if they didn't go for the death penalty.

[Dogmatic]

It's finally here. Strength to the family and friends of Channon and Chris.

This will be a difficult trial, compounded by the total lack of remorse shown by the perps. Their only regret is being busted.

In the end, I hope there is justice, but I think it will still leave the families and friends of Channon and Chris feeling hollow inside.

Praying for justice

[RayStar]

At least one of the suspects did offer to plead to life imprisonment. The authorities wanted to accept the plea, but the parents of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom were against it. The parents were told that imprisonment meant being confined to a small cell for 23 hours of each day.

The parents were even taken to the prison the suspects would be sent to and found that prison life wasn't as bad as they were told. Prisoners on death row were playing handball and those in the general population were playing cards. They even talked to some of the inmates. Channon Christian's father said that the prison area wasn't as well manicured as the Augusta Country Club but "it wasn't far from it."

There would be a lot of public criticism of Knoxvile law enforcement if they didn't go for the death penalty.
Is this the norm? I mean survivors have to agree with a defendant taking a plea. If so, I learned something new today. Thanks
I want the dp also in this case.

[aubrey04]

~snipped~

There would be a lot of public criticism of Knoxvile law enforcement if they didn't go for the death penalty.

Absolutely. Because if any crime screams death penalty - it would be this one. I think the DP should only be used in the most egregious cases and this is clearly one of the most egregious crimes I have ever read about.

Why in the would would the DA's office offer a plea with all the evidence they have? Especially since the crimes were so barbaric. The DA"s office has no reason to negotiate when they have DNA evidence, fingerprint evidence, interviews which incriminate the suspects.. and some eye witness testimony that will have tie all these individuals to the crimes.

The case against these thugs, especially Cobbins & Davidson, is stacked, so why barter with them?

imo

[dgfred]

Probably wasn't those two that was offered a deal. I'm thinking Vanessa and hoping it wasn't Rome. :cursing:

[Dogmatic]

Probably wasn't those two that was offered a deal. I'm thinking Vanessa and hoping it wasn't Rome. :cursing:


Probably. Can't take a plea deal from any of them. They wouldn't tell the truth anyway. They would give a watered down version of what really took place to save their own skin.

Prosecute them all to the fullest extent of the law.

[dgfred]

Probably. Can't take a plea deal from any of them. They wouldn't tell the truth anyway. They would give a watered down version of what really took place to save their own skin.

Prosecute them all to the fullest extent of the law.

I agree 100% :wink: .

[logbump]

Thanks to whomever posted the Twitter link!
https://twitter.com/jamiescoop

Even the jury selection sounds fascinating.

[Dogmatic]

Worst bunch ever.
I really think I should have sympathy for the jury. The final verdict can't get here soon enough for me.


If only one of these vermin could have just decided to do the right thing, to end the madness, to set an example their kids and family could be proud of. If just one could have found a moment to dial 911 and spare two innocent lives. But their limited minds are so entrenched in the "gang mentality" that they go along like a bunch of bumbling cattle, staying within the confines of their fences even though they have the capacity to break free. Then when faced with the reality of paying for the crimes, they all turn on each other in a heartbeat.

Gangs will end civilized society if allowed to exist and if we, as a society, continue to accept them and glamorize their clothes, speech, etc. JMHO

[RayStar]

Ray, I think often the prosecutors will take the victim's or family's feelings into account as a courtesy, but no, they don't get to decide whether the accused takes a plea deal or not. The accused has the right to insist he be heard in a court of law by a jury of his peers - not the family of the victim. And the prosecutor can decide to offer a plea deal instead, and offer it to the accused. The prosecutor can take the victim's wishes into account in that decision.
Thanks RachelRose. I got confused by the earlier post I quoted. I like the idea of survivors voices being heard. I was just thinking perhaps with the passage of time one of the accused would want to spare the families further pain.

Dogmatic I can't understand it either. How can any human be so non-feeling. Choosing my words very carefully.

[Dogmatic]

Thanks RachelRose. I got confused by the earlier post I quoted. I like the idea of survivors voices being heard. I was just thinking perhaps with the passage of time one of the accused would want to spare the families further pain.

Dogmatic I can't understand it either. How can any human be so non-feeling. Choosing my words very carefully.

Whatever households these four are from need a long and intense visit from the "moral police".

[FFLady]

Thanks to whomever posted the Twitter link!
https://twitter.com/jamiescoop

Even the jury selection sounds fascinating.


Your welcome logbump....I hate to be soooo estactic, but after waiting 2 years & 7 months, I am....As a few peeps have stated, this has gone on LONG ENOUGH!! I'm thinking Rome's Crip-mentality might get knocked down a notch or 2....no doubt he's scared sh*tless. Now he can know what Chris & Channon felt....:angry:

[Dogmatic]

Your welcome logbump....I hate to be soooo estactic, but after waiting 2 years & 7 months, I am....As a few peeps have stated, this has gone on LONG ENOUGH!! I'm thinking Rome's Crip-mentality might get knocked down a notch or 2....no doubt he's scared sh*tless. Now he can know what Chris & Channon felt....:angry:


I truly wish that were the case, but IMO Rome will never know what Chris and Channon felt. He has a defense team and I'm sure he's already paving the way for his ignorant existance behind bars, by hooking up with other gang bangers just like himself. His future life will be much better and much longer than the final hours he granted Channon and Chris.

I wish otherwise

[dgfred]

What gets me is how tough they act during and after a crime... but when they are caught they start balling like babies. I see it all the time on shows like the First 48. They deny, act like tough guys, not going to tell the cops anything, they know their rights, they didn't doooo anything. Then when the truth is shown to be known, the crying and boo-hooing starts and you get the 'I'll never see my little baby again and I've thrown my life away'... great, now you get some sense :thumbdown: ... jerks.

[aubrey04]

If only one of these vermin could have just decided to do the right thing, to end the madness, to set an example their kids and family could be proud of. If just one could have found a moment to dial 911 and spare two innocent lives. But their limited minds are so entrenched in the "gang mentality" that they go along like a bunch of bumbling cattle, staying within the confines of their fences even though they have the capacity to break free. Then when faced with the reality of paying for the crimes, they all turn on each other in a heartbeat.

Gangs will end civilized society if allowed to exist and if we, as a society, continue to accept them and glamorize their clothes, speech, etc. JMHO

So true. I guess that is what is so disturbing about these type of crimes which involve a lot of people... I can see finding two-three people with no conscience or soul.. but at least 5 people were involved.. None of those 5 had the nerve to speak up and stop the madness..

That house - if you look it up on zillow.com - was only 762 sq. feet.. My first apartment was larger than that.. Can you imagine the screams of terror Channon let out during her torture? No one cared enough to dial 911.. Channon might have been saved, if any one of those cowards would have done something!


Who knows how involved Eric Boyd and Daphne Sutton really were too?!? I think both might have been more involved in this than any of us know.. but again, no one said a peep.. then when they were first questioned, Boyd and Sutton LIED to police.. ugh.

imo.

[Dogmatic]

So true. I guess that is what is so disturbing about these type of crimes which involve a lot of people... I can see finding two-three people with no conscience or soul.. but at least 5 people were involved.. None of those 5 had the nerve to speak up and stop the madness..

That house - if you look it up on zillow.com - was only 762 sq. feet.. My first apartment was larger than that.. Can you imagine the screams of terror Channon let out during her torture? No one cared enough to dial 911.. Channon might have been saved, if any one of those cowards would have done something!


Who knows how involved Eric Boyd and Daphne Sutton really were too?!? I think both might have been more involved in this than any of us know.. but again, no one said a peep.. then when they were first questioned, Boyd and Sutton LIED to police.. ugh.

imo.

At the very least Daphne KNEW she was receiving stolen goods.

She could have put it all together in time to save Channon, at the very least.

I'm hoping we see testimony that cooks Eric Boyd's goose more than it already is.

They were all there. They all knew something bad was going down. Most of them knew a young couple was being tortured and killed. I'm convinced of that.

[logbump]

According to tweets, Def. is trying to use race card in jury selection claiming death penalty views knocking off more blacks than whites,

[Dogmatic]

According to tweets, Def. is trying to use race card in jury selection claiming death penalty views knocking off more blacks than whites,

Well we know that Letalvis and Lemaricus believe in the death penalty, for sure.....

The Defense appears to be doing their job, which is good.

[aubrey04]

At the very least Daphne KNEW she was receiving stolen goods.

She could have put it all together in time to save Channon, at the very least.

I'm hoping we see testimony that cooks Eric Boyd's goose more than it already is.

They were all there. They all knew something bad was going down. Most of them knew a young couple was being tortured and killed. I'm convinced of that.

And no one cared enough to contact police before it was too late.. When police contacted them - they lied. :rolleyes: Like I said, it is odd that some many people with no conscience got involved.. if just one of them had a heart and said something.. Called 911 anonymously or something.. the end result could have been so different.

[aubrey04]

According to tweets, Def. is trying to use race card in jury selection claiming death penalty views knocking off more blacks than whites,

They're allowed to use the race card, but the prosecution isn't. I still think this was most likely a hate crime.. DA's office say they don't think it was a hate crime, because Slim was dating a white girl.. but people who date interracially CAN be racists.

I really don't see the defenses argument here. The DA's office is making sure that the jurors have no issue with the DP, since this is a DP case.. If blacks are answering that they're have a hard time handing down a death sentence, then of course the prosecution has a right to nix them.

Just like they have the right to knock out any whites, hispanics, asians, etc.. who oppose the DP.

imo

[RayStar]

NO NO They get no pass using the race card.
When humans do what was done here, they get no pass on the human race card!

[J-13]

I don't know if anyone has posted this yet, but they do have a Live Blog going at Volunteer TV. I don't know if this link will move from day to day, or not.

I see this horrific crime as a hate crime!

Cloey

http://www.volunteertv.com/home/headlines/53041777.html

You can also follow twitter updates here

http://twitter.com/hhaleywvlt

[FFLady]

Anyone following these tweets? It sounds like the Judge, DA & Defense are just about on each other's last nerve....I would assume no one is having fun.....

[RayStar]

Anyone following these tweets? It sounds like the Judge, DA & Defense are just about on each other's last nerve....I would assume no one is having fun.....I'm following them. I think the defendant is enjoying this.

[iluvmua]

Q: Are they going to have different jurors in the other three trials or are they going to have the same ones?

[wnb]

Q: Are they going to have different jurors in the other three trials or are they going to have the same ones?

There will be a different jury for each defendant.

[logbump]

Jury 7 black, 4 white, 1 asian. Picking alternates now.

[anais2005]

any hints yet if it will be streamed or televised,

guess openings will be on Monday

[logbump]

Three whites, one black makeup alternates.

[logbump]

Jury will be bussed to Knoxville Sunday, so sounds like trial will start Monday. Finally!!

[DangerMouse]

According to comments on the Knox News Sentinel, a poster heard from a televised news report on WBIR that CourtTv would be covering this trial.

[DangerMouse]

I also read that Cobbins plans to accuse Eric Boyd of the killings, though my guess that would be of Chris Newsom's murder, as part of his defense.

[DangerMouse]

Also saw WATE.com will cover the trial gavel to gavel.

[logbump]

Hello Mouse, I so hope you are correct on the possibility of some kind of live coverage. This is a very complicated and brutal case.

[iluvmua]

Is Court TV going to start airing the trial on Monday? I don't have satellite anymore so there is no way i'd be able to watch it.

Don't they also do reruns?

[ExArkie]

Is Court TV going to start airing the trial on Monday? I don't have satellite anymore so there is no way I'd be able to watch it.

Don't they also do reruns?

No more CTV - remember! It's TruTV, now. If they do air this, I will be VERY surprised! However, if they do, I will publicly apologize for all the bad thoughts I've had of them for the past year or so!:wink: Unfortunately, I don't think I will be apologizing!! Too bad!!:glare: