August 2008

[Politigal]

It really bothers me that this case has gone so cold. I keep searching the news for rapes in other parts of the country, looking for any similarities but haven't found a thing. It still makes me wonder if he's already in jail. Then again, he could just be laying low. But how long will he curb his deviant urges?

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by Politigal
It really bothers me that this case has gone so cold. I keep searching the news for rapes in other parts of the country, looking for any similarities but haven't found a thing. It still makes me wonder if he's already in jail. Then again, he could just be laying low. But how long will he curb his deviant urges? [/*]

Politgal,

Not to be glib but how long did "BTK' go between rape/homicides?

How many hours did Dennis Rader spend in college? Courting his wife? Playing little league dad? Playing church elder?

All the while he was coviting his little box of treasures. How may times did he look at his little box of horrors and relive them? Then go out and put on the face of everyman.

That is the problem Reno PD faces.

Peter

[BitterSweet]

Politigal and Gang...

I understand your frustration.


I however am frustrated with the way the case has been handled when it come to statements/updates by family and LE.

Please know I CANNOT fathom the pain of the Denison family feels.

What I DO KNOW is that they had, and may still have the ability to keep Bri's murder in the media.

What better way to catch her murderer?

America likened Bri to their sister, daughter, friend and maybe even themselves.
I can only hope that the lack of Bri's case in the media mean the family does not want to interfer with a SUSPECT which they are certain is Bri's killer!

Otherwise I would encourage her loved ones to keep her case alive and catch this creep!

I hope you all understand my frustration commitment to this case and catching Bri's killer.

BitterSweet

[Politigal]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


Politgal,

Not to be glib but how long did "BTK' go between rape/homicides?

How many hours did Dennis Rader spend in college? Courting his wife? Playing little league dad? Playing church elder?

All the while he was coviting his little box of treasures. How may times did he look at his little box of horrors and relive them? Then go out and put on the face of everyman.

That is the problem Reno PD faces.

Peter [/*]

You're right....

and it's hard for the rest of us (sane people) to get inside the minds of these perverts/killers or try & second guess them.

[BitterSweet]

Thoughts....

I was just reviewing Bri's case again and I am going back to the December victim profile.

At that time the Perp is described as having a "about a quarter to half-an-inch long below his chin was soft and not prickly as stubble normally is". Also a a light covering of arm hair.

December victim also noted a "shaved pubic region".

All along I have felt this was an attempt by the perp. to avoid leaving forensic evidence. I NO longer think this is true. Nor do I think he is that calculated.

I have always had the knowledge of the suspect physical description and just dont think it matches with an attempt to avoid leaving evidence.

I really feel the perp. is trained in Martial Arts. Based on the ambush attacks rendering the victims unconsious. I feel this sport is the reason for his shaved groin area.
I also feel that he may be practicing martial arts late evening/early morning... and is on an "adrenoline high".

Seeing he did not smell of cigs. or alcohol. I also feel he may be recovering addict that is fueled with rage and anger.

Ok.. any thoughts?...
Bri is on my mind today!

BitterSweet

[Politigal]

Originally posted by BitterSweet
Thoughts....

I was just reviewing Bri's case again and I am going back to the December victim profile.

At that time the Perp is described as having a "about a quarter to half-an-inch long below his chin was soft and not prickly as stubble normally is". Also a a light covering of arm hair.

December victim also noted a "shaved pubic region".

All along I have felt this was an attempt by the perp. to avoid leaving forensic evidence. I NO longer think this is true. Nor do I think he is that calculated.

I have always had the knowledge of the suspect physical description and just dont think it matches with an attempt to avoid leaving evidence.

I really feel the perp. is trained in Martial Arts. Based on the ambush attacks rendering the victims unconsious. I feel this sport is the reason for his shaved groin area.
I also feel that he may be practicing martial arts late evening/early morning... and is on an "adrenoline high".

Seeing he did not smell of cigs. or alcohol. I also feel he may be recovering addict that is fueled with rage and anger.

Ok.. any thoughts?...
Bri is on my mind today!

BitterSweet [/*]

I've also felt he may have been into martial arts, considering the type of hold on the Dec victim.

It's interesting, there's a school just across the street from where Brianna was found.

http://www.precisiontkd.com/

[BitterSweet]

Originally posted by Politigal


I've also felt he may have been into martial arts, considering the type of hold on the Dec victim.

It's interesting, there's a school just across the street from where Brianna was found.

http://www.precisiontkd.com/ [/*]


Glad we agree..interesting find...

[BitterSweet]

Attacks at Colorado State University...

http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080813/NEWS01/80813002

[BitterSweet]

Reno early morning breakins..

http://www.ktvn.com/Global/story.asp?S=8898318&nav=menu549_2

BitterSweet

[BitterSweet]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
but I doubt it...I doubt he would have been scared away so easily...
We have to see if he stole anything from the homes... [/*]

NOW enough of that "stinkin thinkin" Atlantis!:)


I think it IS him..

For the Reno PD to even breath a word of relevance in these cases to Bri's case?...That is something!

Probably casing the joint or did not think that there was more than one female home?

Remember he DOES scare off easily! Remember the parking lot victim that screamed and he ran away?
Little Wimpy Man's days are NUMBERED!
BitterSweet

[BitterSweet]

I understand Atlantis although Bri has been on my mind so much!
We need to ALL get back to this case..

So we know KT and Jessica went to bed at 4am. This was the last time Bri was seen alive.
Coincendentally(?) these incidents on Bon Rea Way and Bell Street were between the hours of 4-5am.

So....AND I NEED HELP HERE FOLK!

Who would be actively canvasing this (1/2 mile radius) at this hour?

I believe this creep is either a resident or a employee?
I do not think it is someone who rapes and murders on the way into the office? This Man works into late evening early morning?

I think he delivers something and is VERY familiar with this vicinity!

Is there permit parking only on these streets?
Does Reno parking patrol work 24/7?
What about the local Campus apartments, do they have parking patrol?

I know in college around 2am was the best time to get a parking ticket at an apartment party with permit parking.

Many of the mentioned questions we have hashed out before, I know.
We need to do better!

Justice Soon Bri~


:rose:
BitterSweet

[Politigal]

This article says that the recent break-ins are not related to Brianna's case...."at this time."

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8897949

[Politigal]

Originally posted by BitterSweet
Attacks at Colorado State University...

http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080813/NEWS01/80813002 [/*]

Did you happen to send this to Reno Police?

[BitterSweet]

Originally posted by Politigal


Did you happen to send this to Reno Police? [/*]


Do you think that I should Politigal?

I will do so if you think worthy of sending.

BitterSweet

[BitterSweet]

Originally posted by Politigal
This article says that the recent break-ins are not related to Brianna's case...."at this time."

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8897949 [/*]


"Authorities said they have no evidence that the two "hot prowl" burglaries are related to the murder of Brianna Denison but are treating them as if they might be."

http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080827/NEWS01/808270414/1004&GID=UEYjMM1/1YlPDcTwUgMmbtZGvGqG5j+HTPMPJJ5U13U%3D

BitterSweet

[Politigal]

Originally posted by BitterSweet



Do you think that I should Politigal?

I will do so if you think worthy of sending.

BitterSweet [/*]

I think so....you never know - they may have DNA they could compare.

[osubbfan]

Originally posted by BitterSweet
Reno early morning breakins..

http://www.ktvn.com/Global/story.asp?S=8898318&nav=menu549_2

BitterSweet [/*]

Good find BitterSweet. I'm thinking there just might be a link here due to LE's comments. I don't remember a situation where they did anything but say there is no relationship. So a "maybe" is significant to me and makes me think they are thinking it just might be the same guy. I don't agree that he wouldn't be easily scared off. As stated earlier, the Nov. victim was able to scare him off by screaming, and Det. McDonald said there "was a male in the homes" which I think would most certainly scare the coward off. He seems to target very petite women so any male would be a threat to the wuss IMO.

Did anyone notice the anchor in the video said Bri was raped. I have never heard this reported before and wonder if it was a "slip" based on an assumption she made. The only thing I can remember LE stating is that the attack was "sexually motivated." Another thing that struck me about the video is how bad Det. McDonald looked...he looked beat up and worn out to me.

I know that it isn't unheard of for serial rapists/killers to go long periods of time between attacks but they really are the exception rather than the norm. It is difficult to predict but most often it is very hard for them to control their impulses for long. It actually hasn't been all that long for this perp...7 months with the entire community looking for him.

[ruby]

Picked up the Sept. Cosmopolitain issue and there is a story on Brianna in it. Warning of how vulnerable we are in a 'safe' home.


RIP :rose:

[Maelstrom5]

Hi BitterSweet, Ruby, ATLANTIS, osubbfanm, Politigal and everyone else;

A New case has emerged in Tennessee. It is not likely to have a connection to Brianna but I felt you may be interested in it. If you are interested, I would be interested in your ideas. I am look looking forwards to your insights.


From my last post on Jennifer Hampton's thread in missing people:

Hi.

Sorry, I misread your post, thank you for clearing it up for me.

If Jennifer was taken from her room and there was no evidence of forced entry, then it is far more likely she knew her abductor or he was posing as someone in authority, (Cop, nighttime manager of the hotel, etc.) someone she would open her door for. If the door or a window was forced it could be anyone.

The Knoxville PD seems to be approaching this case much like the Reno, Nevada PD approached the abduction of Brianna Denison last winter. Because evidence of potential foul play was found at the scene they immediately launched an all out investigation.

Unless something very strange stands out to them I would expect them to follow standard protocol which is to interview the last person to see Jennifer before she vanished and establish that person’s alibi first, then work outward. First the coworkers staying at the hotel, then staff/guests of the hotel, followed by anyone she may have talked to while in Knoxville. If Jennifer has a boyfriend/ex-boyfriend they will also want to interview him/them to ascertain their whereabouts that night.

Only after they feel sure no one close was involved will they concentrate on a stranger abduction although they will consider that a possibility from the get go. As I said if the door/window was forced then it could be anyone.

[Politigal]

here's Jennifer's myspace

http://www.myspace.com/jenniferhamp

[BitterSweet]

Hi BitterSweet, Ruby, ATLANTIS, osubbfanm, Politigal and everyone else;

A New case has emerged in Tennessee. It is not likely to have a connection to Brianna but I felt you may be interested in it. If you are interested, I would be interested in your ideas. I am look looking forwards to your insights.


From my last post on Jennifer Hampton's thread in missing people:

Hi.

Sorry, I misread your post, thank you for clearing it up for me.

If Jennifer was taken from her room and there was no evidence of forced entry, then it is far more likely she knew her abductor or he was posing as someone in authority, (Cop, nighttime manager of the hotel, etc.) someone she would open her door for. If the door or a window was forced it could be anyone.

The Knoxville PD seems to be approaching this case much like the Reno, Nevada PD approached the abduction of Brianna Denison last winter. Because evidence of potential foul play was found at the scene they immediately launched an all out investigation.

Unless something very strange stands out to them I would expect them to follow standard protocol which is to interview the last person to see Jennifer before she vanished and establish that person’s alibi first, then work outward. First the coworkers staying at the hotel, then staff/guests of the hotel, followed by anyone she may have talked to while in Knoxville. If Jennifer has a boyfriend/ex-boyfriend they will also want to interview him/them to ascertain their whereabouts that night.

Only after they feel sure no one close was involved will they concentrate on a stranger abduction although they will consider that a possibility from the get go. As I said if the door/window was forced then it could be anyone.

Thanks for posting Maelstrom..
I am reading up on this case....
Seems they have made a hotel employee arrest of 2 men, which at this time they charged with using fake social security cards (forgery).

Were there signs of forced entry? Or are they not saying?

So far from what I have read my gut tells me there will not be a happy ending to this story.

I have been wrong before and would be thrilled to be proven wrong on this assumption.

BitterSweet

[Politigal]

This rape case is unrelated to Brianna's case...but just felt I *had* to post this....it's horrible!!


Men can't be charged in rapes despite DNA links

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/yahoolatestnews/stories/092408dnmetnojustice.19e0128.html?npc

[Maelstrom5]

Hi Politigal,

A number of cases like the one you posted are coming out of the woodwork. Because states assign status of limitation on most crimes the new advances in technology come to late to achieve justice for the victim.

By the way, TY to all of you for your comments about the Jennifer Hampton case. Politigal, I used your link to Jennifer’s MySpace to find her sister.

Atlantis I hope you are right but the nature of the search effort leads me to believe this story is not going to have a good outcome; I pray that I am wrong. Still no news as to what may have happened to Jennifer.

[Maelstrom5]

Ty for posting this followup.

Jennifer's case does not look good at the moment.

I just want all those who have followed Brianna's case to know what you already know, that for every missing person, 100's of lives are forever changed. I asked you to comment on Jennifer‘s case because I know that those still following Brianna’s case really care.

I posted in the hope that some that followed this case would look at someone else; you did. I posted because not only those who get frequent news reports and updates on CNN are loved.

I posted about Jennifer because I know about all those who never get mentioned, never get a single news story written about them; but I know are loved, and missed.

I posted for all those who hardly ever get any copy. For Heather Lewis 13; missing for over 5 years; Ely, Nevada :rose:

Peter

[BitterSweet]

Thank you for the kind words Maelstrom (Peter).

I am deeply saddened by the recent findings in Jennifer's case.

More tommorow....

Blessing to all.
BitterSweet

[BitterSweet]

cases..a lot of which are cold...and sadly won't ever be solved because they involve disappearances or bones found with no dna or evidence left behind by the perp..and yes those victims must never be forgotten...


I hate killers.....:flamemad::flamemad:

I will Never give up until Bri's perp is behind bars!
Bri...:rose:
BitterSweet

[BitterSweet]

I am going back and reading thru all the wonderful work and effort everyone has put into catching Bri's Killer..

As you all may know I strongly feel that there is an IGT connection.
This is ONLY MY opinion.

What I have found and maybe others as well?

A person who works and IGT, as well as worked on the Senior Project has or at one point had a friendship (dated?) the sister of one of the girls that was sleeping at Mackay Court on the night Bri disappeared....
This is a FACT!

Sorry if the above sentence is hard to understand, as I was being careful not to use names.

BitterSweet
Bri :rose:

[BitterSweet]

I feel that he was working a 6-12 month intership at IGT, or contract position. He lived on campus.

He probably left the area 2 months after Bri's body was found (March)..possibly going back for his Masters Degree at either another University or out of State.


These are only my NON FACTUAL feelings.

Also, keep in mind that this was a holiday weekend. Many people may have been home for break. I would not rule out the other roomates friends or siblings who may have been stopping by to crash for the night. This POS was enraged and Bri was the innocent victim.

BitterSweet

[BitterSweet]

Reno Crime Update:

http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080929/NEWS01/80929033/1004

BitterSweet

[BitterSweet]

More from Reno:
Kudos to the Detective work on this case!:)

http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080929/NEWS18/80929065&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

[BitterSweet]

Can we start a thread for "Possible Related Cases"?

I believe I tried in the past.

Would someone do this for this thread.

Thanks
BitterSweet

[BitterSweet]

Hi Stop!

Not sure how it is determined that she was killed at the house?


Strange situation in Fernley Nevada. Very strange circumstances?
Not to imply it is related to Bri..

http://www.rgj.com/article/20081014/NEWS01/810140345/1321/NEWS

BitterSweet

[BitterSweet]

That was very odd...here is the rest of the story - she has bee arrested!
http://rgj.com/article/20081015/NEWS01/810150391/1321/NEWS


I don't want to pass judgement, but this behavior is very disturbing.
I hope she is made to pay fines for not coming forward sooner.

[Maelstrom5]

Hi BitterSweet,

This story is interesting. I may be wrong but I think that Shane knows a lot more about his wife’s actions then was given to the public. I think the reason he kept this in the press after the phone call from “friends” was because he was afraid of what Nicole may have been up to with those friends.

A number of locals posted comments to the follow up news report and noted how old Nicole looked in the second picture compared to the one in the first news report. I agree with them and think this missing person report may have been her husbands way of trying to force Nicole to get help. Her actions, including the arrest for petty larceny, are consistent with someone who is a substance abuser

[BitterSweet]

Hi BitterSweet,

This story is interesting. I may be wrong but I think that Shane knows a lot more about his wife’s actions then was given to the public. I think the reason he kept this in the press after the phone call from “friends” was because he was afraid of what Nicole may have been up to with those friends.

A number of locals posted comments to the follow up news report and noted how old Nicole looked in the second picture compared to the one in the first news report. I agree with them and think this missing person report may have been her husbands way of trying to force Nicole to get help. Her actions, including the arrest for petty larceny, are consistent with someone who is a substance abuser

I agree Maelstom. I think Nicole was in true panic mode, thus the visit to the jewelry store.

None the less, a waste of police time!

Take a look at this Police Blotter from September 30th Sagebrush..pathetic IMO.
http://nevadasagebrush.com/blog/2008/09/30/student-assaulted-near-campus/
BitterSweet

[BitterSweet]

I worry this case will never be solved...

:mad:


Unfortunately I agree.
BitterSweet

[Maelstrom5]

I worry this case will never be solved...

:mad:

I think it will be solved, the question is when. This guy has crawled back under his rock for the moment but I don't think he will be able to stay there forever.

Sooner or later he will strike again, my real fear is that a number of other women will be raped and maybe murdered before he is captured.

[BitterSweet]

Sooner or later he will strike again, my real fear is that a number of other women will be raped and maybe murdered before he is captured.

My fear as well.

Are we safe to assume that indeed MK, and the 2005 CS friends have been DNA tested?

As we KNOW Go-Tan was part of this group. I previously posted a photo of Go-Tan with other CS friend David Tyson from Tyson's PUBLIC myspace profile.


It is also clearly evident that David Tyson had a friendship (relationship) with Jennifer Deal who is Jessica Deal's sister. Jessica DID NOT live at Mackay court but was rather spending the night at Mackay with Bri. KT Hunter resided at Mackay court.

Please know that David Tyson has a PUBLIC myspace profile. Which means anyone may access his posts, pictures, etc.
Jennifer Deal also has a public profile.

I am not implicating anyone only stating factual information.

BitterSweet

[Maelstrom5]

BitterSweet,

I don't think it is safe to say anyone has been tested unless LE tells you so. I can't remember was the information you mentioned forwarded to Reno LE?

If not it is worth a message to them. If these guys had nothing to do with it then they should have no problem telling LE where they were that night and be more then willing to let them take a DNA swab.

[Maelstrom5]

Brianna's family to open foundation office

**Snipped from story**

"Our focus is not just on Brianna, but on making something so horrific keep other safe," Lauren Denison said. "Education is the key. There are a lot of predators out there and taking a few extra precautions that night might have saved Brianna's life."

Source:
www.rgj.com/article/20081030/NEWS01/810300334