Michelle Young.(New)..8.18.08 SW Results

[Kat4Eagles]

Morning!!


We need a new thread to discuss the s/w's that will be unsealed sometime this week...

Finally we can see what L E is looking for...!!

Any "guesses" as to what is in them?

Kat

[Wyn]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


This is all you are getting from the SW? Are we reading the same document. He left the room, didn't use the room key again. His cloths were never accounted for, his own mother providing eyewitness info about the cloths, etc.

DNA in the blood splatter area.

Man, this is bad. I would have never guessed that the cops had this much. [/*]

No, this isn't bad BS, this is good! Wonder when the arrest will come?

Yes, the rings are missing. Wonder where JASON HID THEM?

[freejason]

In all seriousness....did JY really expect the police to think that some random stranger broke into the house to rob it.....then decided to beat to death his wife.....and take a little jewelry.....as if Michelle would have even fought a robber....she would have given him everything she had, just to leave her and her precious daughter unhurt.

Jason - they're coming for you, Babe.

[freejason]

You are truly misguided....if you can look at all this evidence and say it's a coincidence.

WHERE ARE THE CLOTHES HE WAS WEARING THE NIGHT SHE WAS MURDERED??? WHERE ARE THEY?

[freejason]

Originally posted by june1943


Jason's DNA could be found anywhere in that room. The big thing in this warrant is the size 10 shoe. [/*]

June - Look at the search warrant...no where does it say size 10 shoe............they are looking for the tread outsoles.......not limiting it to size.

Read.

[Wyn]

Originally posted by june1943


Jason's DNA could be found anywhere in that room. The big thing in this warrant is the size 10 shoe. [/*]

And the ones on the pillow? What size were they? Take the blinders off. The Franklin one said ten on the bottom. What other shoe print are they comparing? Hushpuppies?? Did you see the reciept??

[Wyn]

Sad and tragic would be descriptive, not name calling. Funny BS, none of my shoes have the size stamped into the bottom either.

Where are the hush puppies June? Focus.

[Wyn]

Originally posted by june1943


Wyn, I clean my closet each fall and spring. I toss to the garbage unuseable items I give to the mission store sellable items. Otherwise I would have no room for purchases . I just a few months ago took a fairly large tub of clothes to the mission store. LE waited 15 months to look for these shoes? I don't see that as a PC. They could be anywhere. [/*]

Well, I just don't think Jason does any fall and spring cleaning so I wouldn't count on him being as diligent as you. You're right about one thing, those shoes could be anywhere. I'm guessing they landed in a dumpster in VA while Jason made his way to his mother's house.

[Wyn]

Originally posted by june1943


Because they had a long chat with Spivey at the bug fest. We knew that all along. But remember loose lips sank ships. Spivey may have bitten the whole case in the azz. [/*]

Wishful thinking on your part. Spivey didn't give any details on the investigation at the memorial for Michelle that weren't already known to the public. I still find it interesting that you feel the need to try demean the memorial by calling it a "bug fest". It reflects poorly on you.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


They can't hear you, they don't listen to the facts, they don't see the truth in the search warrants.

For them it's see no evil about Jason, hear no evil about Jason, speak no evil about Jason.

All their communication lines to the truth and the facts of this case are cut off and will never be repaired. :no: [/*]

I agree,

Today's revelations should cause a prudent person to take pause.

Wonder where Jason is? On a slow boat to China? Bet he has never felt so "looked" after in his whole life.

Swabby

[Wyn]

Originally posted by june1943


They probably have jobs. LOL [/*]

Never stopped them before so maybe they're still reading? You might want to go back and reread a few things. You seem fixated on a size ten shoe when there's so much else to digest that you've missed. Good luck.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


They can't hear you, they don't listen to the facts, they don't see the truth in the search warrants.

For them it's see no evil about Jason, hear no evil about Jason, speak no evil about Jason.

All their communication lines to the truth and the facts of this case are cut off and will never be repaired. :no: [/*]


Sorry about the duplicate, I got an"error message". Boy is this thing acting up.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


They can't hear you, they don't listen to the facts, they don't see the truth in the search warrants.

For them it's see no evil about Jason, hear no evil about Jason, speak no evil about Jason.

All their communication lines to the truth and the facts of this

case are cut off and will never be repaired. :no: [/*]


I am here, let me read the s/w's and catch up..
I didn't know they were going to be released today.
I promise to give my honest assessment for what it is worth.

Promise.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by montauk66
Ok, forgive me for not being too smart.

Would it be safe to assume, that LE have found the size 10 shoes given the unsealing of the SW? [/*]


Well, the rumors about the jewelry being missing are true!!
I knew it!!!!

This is very interesting so far..

I am confused about the pillow though.

I still have more reading.

Jason was seen close to midnite, that is in his favor, really narrows the timeline.


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Trinity


Well, probably not much considering just how far off your assesments have been. [/*]


Unless you want the Board to be closed, could we just discuss the contents of the warrants, and what they mean.

This is the day most of us have been waiting for.

The JDI's will get a chance to list what goes against Jason and the JII's can list what does not.

There are 47 pages here to read. I just started.

The possbility of a sighting of Jason's car at 4-5 am has to go for him.

That really does it, he would have to drive almost 6 hours to get to his meeting..

And still arrive in a matter that did not draw attention.

Please let's discuss this without the insults.

Bottom line........
There still has been no arrest.
The s/w's are over 6 months old.

Kat

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Unless you want the Board to be closed, could we just discuss the contents of the warrants, and what they mean.

This is the day most of us have been waiting for.

The JDI's will get a chance to list what goes against Jason and the JII's can list what does not.

There are 47 pages here to read. I just started.

The possbility of a sighting of Jason's car at 4-5 am has to go for him.

That really does it, he would have to drive almost 6 hours to get to his meeting..

And still arrive in a matter that did not draw attention.

Please let's discuss this without the insults.

Bottom line........
There still has been no arrest.
The s/w's are over 6 months old.

Kat [/*]

How does someone sighting Jason's car help him? No matter how you stretch the timeline to suit you, no matter what you do to make his drive as long as possible, the fact remains that he very well could have murdered Michelle and Rylan.

I wonder if all those lights were still on when Meredith arrived at Birchleaf. If they were off, that seals it - no murderer would take the time to turn off the lights on his way out unless he was concerned about his electric bill.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


She doesn't care about them. She only cares about Jason. The husband who has failed to do anything to help with the investigation of his murdered wife. She has made up her mind and it will never be changed regardless of the facts.

JD, you are wasting your time. It's like talking to a brick wall. [/*]

BSN, do you have any idea why Jason took approximately 3 days to "lawyer up"? According to the documents, he didn't find an attorney until 11/6 or thereabouts. What was the hold up?

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by june1943


Jason's DNA could be found anywhere in that room. The big thing in this warrant is the size 10 shoe. [/*]The ONE piece of puzzle, Na, there are a lot of missing pieces. You can NOT shove a size 12 foot in a size 10 shoe.
Kat, you were so right about the wedding rings and IMO,a robbery did take place. I would also like to know if it was routine for them to keep cash on hand,hidden in case of emergency? I do know I do and my son knows where it is kept.Most people do if they can afford it.
ALL lights on in house per individual who delivered their paper, looks like Michelle was murdered before going to bed. That explains why she was still in her sweats and hoodie, clothes she had prolly worn ALL day. Her friend would be able to answer that question.
I can see why Jason has NOT been arrested.

[freejason]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
The ONE piece of puzzle, Na, there are a lot of missing pieces. You can NOT shove a size 12 foot in a size 10 shoe.
Kat, you were so right about the wedding rings and IMO,a robbery did take place. I would also like to know if it was routine for them to keep cash on hand,hidden in case of emergency? I do know I do and my son knows where it is kept.Most people do if they can afford it.
ALL lights on in house per individual who delivered their paper, looks like Michelle was murdered before going to bed. That explains why she was still in her sweats and hoodie, clothes she had prolly worn ALL day. Her friend would be able to answer that question.
I can see why Jason has NOT been arrested. [/*]

Keep dreaming...keep spinning that web...you are in denial.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
The ONE piece of puzzle, Na, there are a lot of missing pieces. You can NOT shove a size 12 foot in a size 10 shoe.
Kat, you were so right about the wedding rings and IMO,a robbery did take place. I would also like to know if it was routine for them to keep cash on hand,hidden in case of emergency? I do know I do and my son knows where it is kept.Most people do if they can afford it.
ALL lights on in house per individual who delivered their paper, looks like Michelle was murdered before going to bed. That explains why she was still in her sweats and hoodie, clothes she had prolly worn ALL day. Her friend would be able to answer that question.
I can see why Jason has NOT been arrested. [/*]

It doesn't say that it is a size 10 shoe. It says there is a 10 on the bottom. That COULD indicate size but it might have something to do with a brand or style as well. The warrant does not spell that out.

[enigma™]

Interesting that 3 pearl necklaces were found in the storage facility. Is one of them the "missing" necklace from the warrants? Perhaps a piece of heirloom jewelry that was handed down through the Young family? Something Jason couldn't just toss away because it had sentimental family value? hmmm

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by enigma™


BSN, do you have any idea why Jason took approximately 3 days to "lawyer up"? According to the documents, he didn't find an attorney until 11/6 or thereabouts. What was the hold up? [/*]


Eginma, where did you see that?

I am jumping all over reading this...with a million interruptions.

That is a good sign, that means he did not lawyer up the nite he got back in Raleigh or enroute..

Kat

[enigma™]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


I have no idea. However, it was the weekend.

According to the SW it didn't take 3 days. It seems he lawyered up before he even got back to Raleigh. It occurred in his first short conversation with the cops. I think I would be so dazed in this kind of a situation that I wouldn't even think of getting a lawyer. Talk about calm, cool, and collected. [/*]

DOH! How could I forget it was the weekend? He had others doing his thinking for him that day & it hasn't ceased, if you ask me. I found it interesting that the Youngs were questioned at the Goins abode. very interesting...

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by montauk66
HOTEL

- JY sighted on hotel surveillence at 11.59pm wearing dark pullover. Item of clothing has not been located.

- Rock used to ensure key card not required to enter/re-enter hotel (room?). JY only used his key card once soon after arrival. Significant as LE would hypothesise JY put the rock there, so that he would not need to swipe his card to get back in, in the early hours. [/*]

Wait, wait, wait.!!
Would someone really take a chance of leaving their door propped open all nite enroute to murder their wife.?
All someone would have to do is look in and see he was gone.
Too dangerous.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


If you actually read the thing it says just that. He lawyered up during a phone call in route to Raleigh. [/*]

K, not there yet.
My fault.
Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by montauk66
Im just catching up.

Is this search warrant the one that had been delayed for 10 days? IE no indictment, they were just delaying it for a different reason.

Or is this a different SW? [/*]

I think it's the same set of s/w. I can see why the Judge said it's time they release them. It looks to me like the sheriff's office plays games with civil rights and the Judge called them on it. Using one's right to remain silent as probable cause on a search warrant is pretty ridiculous. The sheriff wants the public to believe those search warrants turned up incriminating stuff against Jason but in reality, if they had done so, Jason would have been arrested and those search warrants stayed sealed. No reason not to release s/w if they didn't turn up anything of evidentiary value. Waiting over a year to find shoes and shirts is pretty futile. The search warrant I'd like to see is the one that's been re-sealed.

[Kat4Eagles]

Hotel Key Card used 2 x.

I just saw where Jason used his key card again shortly before noon on the 3rd , so he went to the meeting, then back to the hotel.


Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by montauk66
Car sighting

- NYT delivery man sights a light coloured SUV between 4-5am at the Young's residence. JY car matches this description. [/*]

So does Michelle's. Her SUV is light-colored, JY's SUV is white.

[JD1974]

I found a lot of information in the search warrants, me I tend to think that having your DNA by your side of the closet is a no brainer but who knows. Anyway, Pat said she paid Jason back in cash for that trip that he paid for to California, I thought it was his treat and witness A&* said Michelle was pretty ticked about it?

Missing jewelry, how long have we heard that debunked on this board, wedding rings even!

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


Do you pop your head into stranger's hotel rooms? [/*]

If I went to get ice at 2am and saw the door open, and then still open again in the am before I checked out,I probably would.
I like to check out rooms to see if they are as nice or nicer than the one I got.

Plus I am always curious to see the view from another room.

I am just saying someone would be taking a big chance, was all his stuff in there?

What if someone robbed him, and when he got back, the cops were in there?
??
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


They didn't find the shirt or shoes on the night of the 3rd. Don't any of you people read the thing before you start tearing it apart? Oh, that's right. You have already made up your mind and you don't like the facts getting in the way.

You guys take it easy.............. [/*]


I have told you and the Board a million times, I am going to be fair about this and let the warrants and investigation speak for themselves.

But, now we have PROOF there is missing jewelry, and that Michelle's rings were missing.

How many times did I post that?

Kat

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


WRONG...please try to read more carefully :read:
so you don't mislead some.

He used the key once when he checked in.
The only other entry was by the hotel staff the next day when they cleaned the room. [/*]

Thank you! You saved me from going back and finding that info. I knew I read he used his card only once and then maid service or whatever entered the next morning. :patriot:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


WRONG...please try to read more carefully :read:
so you don't mislead some.

He used the key once when he checked in.
The only other entry was by the hotel staff the next day when they cleaned the room. [/*]


Yeah,. I just caught that too.

Housekeeping went in at 11:41 am.

My fault..

Kat

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by freejason


Keep dreaming...keep spinning that web...you are in denial. [/*] What did I spin?These are facts from the SW. Please show me the spin
May I SUGGEST if the JDI, succeeds in getting this board closed, everyone who wants to continue our discussion, meet at Crime Library,where there is a MY board open while IS was down. We might as well plan ahead,we know their routine. Get this board closed then run to their "other board" so they can spew their hate and lies. moo

[Wyn]

Jason only used his key card ONCE, when he entered the room after check-in. Page eight. He then left wearing a different shirt.

Pages 17/18, door that was left open with a rock was an EXIT door, not hotel room door.

The number on the bottom of the Franklin shoe doesn't mean it wasn't Jason's. Athletic shoe sizing is not always the same as "street" shoes. Varies greatly by manufacturer. And if it wasn't his, who helped him? Was it a men's or women's shoe? Wonder if Kim wears a size ten shoe? She looks fairly tall.

[Wyn]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


Just exit door

The key card was used once to enter his room
He was seen leaving with different clothing at 11:59 and NEVER reopened the room door. [/*]

And some wonder how those outlandish rumors get started. Here, they start here.

Wow Hi, nasty tone to that post. Something upset you?

[5swab5]

I'm sorry, but I always held out hope beyond hope, that Michelle found out about M. Money and Jason returned home to "straighten" her out and a fight ensued.

The rock in the lock ...does it for me PRE-MED!

Why is he not behind bars?

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


So he was seen on video at 11:59 pm in different clothes AFTER he entered the room. Wonder why there was no return to the room ?

I reckon it is because he left for Raleigh at midnight and never returned to the hotel ;)

Does that make sense Kat ?

Still on the fence ????????

:biggrin: [/*]\


Nope, I am more convinced than ever of Jason's innocence.

There are no gas receipts, the timeline has been destroyed.

It was impossible before, but now it will never fit.

There is a size 10 shoe.

Jewelry was missing !

Michelle's rings were gone.

It was a robbery...........

Kat

[JD1974]

I have a question, where are the clothes he wore into the hotel? Did he leave them, take them to the car....if he didn't leave with any bags or extra clothing then how the heck did he get the clothes he wore into the motel out of there?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by montauk66
I'm sure JY's lawyers are already practicing "if the shoe don't fit you must acquit". [/*]


I don't think Jason or his lawyers have anything to worry about.

The warrants are old, and the results must be back and still no arrest.

Good day in Brevard!!

:)
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by JD1974
I have a question, where are the clothes he wore into the hotel? Did he leave them, take them to the car....if he didn't leave with any bags or extra clothing then how the heck did he get the clothes he wore into the motel out of there? [/*]


Yep,are there pics or video showing Jason removing stuff?

Good catch, JD..

There could be more video showing him re~entering the hotel for all we know, or maybe the video went off at midnite?

Kat

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Wyn
Jason only used his key card ONCE, when he entered the room after check-in. Page eight. He then left wearing a different shirt.

Pages 17/18, door that was left open with a rock was an EXIT door, not hotel room door.

The number on the bottom of the Franklin shoe doesn't mean it wasn't Jason's. Athletic shoe sizing is not always the same as "street" shoes. Varies greatly by manufacturer. And if it wasn't his, who helped him? Was it a men's or women's shoe? Wonder if Kim wears a size ten shoe? She looks fairly tall. [/*]I was thinking the same of MEREDITH.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by montauk66
LOL did we really expect anybody's mind to be changed unless there's confession in court?

Might as well be looking at a Rorshachs test. [/*]


Well, an eye witness along Jason's so ~called travels would have convinced me or a gas receipt from somewhere in that time frame.

Something else would be if he had scratches or marks...

None of this is anything that can not be explained away.

Weren't the JDI's hoping for more of substantial value?

Something that would say without any reasonable doubt to end the case?

Kat

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


Just exit door

The key card was used once to enter his room
He was seen leaving with different clothing at 11:59 and NEVER reopened the room door. [/*]Was he seen carrying his luggage out? LE left that little info out. Wonder why? If charged, that question will be ask. Nope bet it wasn`t.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Well, the rumors about the jewelry being missing are true!!
I knew it!!!!

This is very interesting so far..

I am confused about the pillow though.

I still have more reading.

Jason was seen close to midnite, that is in his favor, really narrows the timeline.


Kat [/*]

LOL!

For Mr. Leadfoot?

MOO

[Wyn]

Seeing the attempts to spin the damaging information in the search warrants is hilarious.

Kat, do you know that gas stations take CASH?

Meredith doesn't wear a size ten shoe.

Jason took the jewelry, etc. to make it APPEAR it was a robbery.

Who would have stained Jason's deck, besides Jason?

Carry on!



:biggrin:

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser
Just as I thought Kat, no matter what is presented you will NEVER admit the cops have a damning case against Jason Young.

The difference in me is I would concede and look your way if there was anything...anything at all exculpatory.
Fact is, there is nothing. [/*]

And it's only going to get worse for Jason, as far as I'm concerned. If the phone logs are released it will be an interesting to see how long he talked to Michelle during that 11 pm conversation.

[Wyn]

Something to ponder, was he seen carrying luggage IN?? :eek:

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Well, an eye witness along Jason's so ~called travels would have convinced me or a gas receipt from somewhere in that time frame.

Something else would be if he had scratches or marks...

None of this is anything that can not be explained away.

Weren't the JDI's hoping for more of substantial value?

Something that would say without any reasonable doubt to end the case?

Kat [/*]

LOL!

Kat are you kidding me? This is a landslide, "slam dunk", banner day, etc.

RIP Michelle & Rylan...Wake County will prevail!

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Wyn
Something to ponder, was he seen carrying luggage IN?? :eek: [/*]

Early reports were that he left with several bags.

Don't shoot the messenger, those...sadly along with TONS of other posts, have been purged by CTV/IS.

MOO

Swabby

[vthom]

I guess he's going to say "I never bought those ugly *** shoes". ( famous OJ quote)
I'm angry that JY has not been arrested for Michelle's murder. I'm no LE but I would think there is plenty of evidence in those search warrants to arrest and convict him. What are they waiting for???

[5swab5]

I have NEVER beren more proud of my NYTimes delivery man, than today!

Details, Details, Details.

MOO

Swabby

[alter ego]

Originally posted by june1943


Well so far we know he was in Hillsville at 11 , wouldn't the same camera show if he was out in the parking lot later? Did they wait 20 months to look for a shirt? Are we going to know when the key was used?



http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/youngwarrants.pdf [/*]

WOW :eek:

This has me off the fence and leaning toward Jason being not innocent in the matter of wife's slaying.

The shoe size gives me pause, but if he was seen outside his room after he was recorded entering it and never used his key card again....

Wow.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser
For those who say the size 10 shoes exclude Jason....that same pair of shoes that made the bloody print was also determined to be sealed in the stain .

THE PERSON THAT STAINED THE DECK KILLED MICHELLE [/*]


Then why no arrest?

Nope, a person who walked in the stain before it dried could have murdered Michelle.

Kat

[enigma™]

Originally posted by alter ego


WOW :eek:

This has me off the fence and leaning toward Jason being not innocent in the matter of wife's slaying.

The shoe size gives me pause, but if he was seen outside his room after he was recorded entering it and never used his key card again....

Wow. [/*]

WOW is right! I never thought I'd see the day. Thank you for this post.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Celiarun


I think it's the same set of s/w. I can see why the Judge said it's time they release them. It looks to me like the sheriff's office plays games with civil rights and the Judge called them on it. Using one's right to remain silent as probable cause on a search warrant is pretty ridiculous. The sheriff wants the public to believe those search warrants turned up incriminating stuff against Jason but in reality, if they had done so, Jason would have been arrested and those search warrants stayed sealed. No reason not to release s/w if they didn't turn up anything of evidentiary value. Waiting over a year to find shoes and shirts is pretty futile. The search warrant I'd like to see is the one that's been re-sealed. [/*]Unfornately, the invocation of rights AND someone being cooperative can both be used by LE to further their probable cause argument. They can play it both ways, not talking = suspicious, talking = suspicious.

What I find disengenuous is LE stating they only verified his where abouts because he wasn't talking to them. They would have checked his alibi regardless and to insinuate otherwise flies in the face of Homicide Investigations 101.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


LOL!

Kat are you kidding me? This is a landslide, "slam dunk", banner day, etc.

RIP Michelle & Rylan...Wake County will prevail!

Swabby [/*]


If this had any makings of a slam dunk, there would have been an arrest.

Are you telling me it took LE until Nov of 2007 to check the deck for footprints?

After they got a warrant for charge records for shoes from DSW back in Jan 2007?

That one of the warrants just took C's flip flops in Feb of this year?

Get your arrest on that..
Kat

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by vthom
I guess he's going to say "I never bought those ugly *** shoes". ( famous OJ quote)
I'm angry that JY has not been arrested for Michelle's murder. I'm no LE but I would think there is plenty of evidence in those search warrants to arrest and convict him. What are they waiting for??? [/*]Read carefully. Jason has receipts for shoes he, actually, looks like Michell ordered and Jason is a size "12" The bloody foot print on the pillow was clearly visible was a size "10" JDI, Houston, we have a problem.Jason Young is innocent. FACT and LE knows is.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by montauk66
For mine the things that go against JY the most.

-
- Shoe imprint in blood at the crime scene and in deck stain that matches the type of shoe bought by JY in 2005.

.

Correct me if im wrong on any of those. [/*]
I am not finding where it was determined to be a match, only that it appeared to be similar.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
Read carefully. Jason has receipts for shoes he, actually, looks like Michell ordered and Jason is a size "12" The bloody foot print on the pillow was clearly visible was a size "10" JDI, Houston, we have a problem.Jason Young is innocent. FACT and LE knows is. [/*]
The shoe size does seem to flip the whole thing on it's head.

No where do I find a men's 12 equating to a 10

http://www.onlineconversion.com/clothing_shoes_mens.htm

[Wyn]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



If this had any makings of a slam dunk, there would have been an arrest.

Are you telling me it took LE until Nov of 2007 to check the deck for footprints?

After they got a warrant for charge records for shoes from DSW back in Jan 2007?

That one of the warrants just took C's flip flops in Feb of this year?


Kat [/*]

Getting all the ducks in a row, all the puzzle pieces fit together for that eventual slam dunk. No rush, no time limit to arrest Jason. It's coming.

I doubt it took them that long to check the deck for foot prints. That's just when they got the search warrants to REMOVE the deck boards because they realized that whoever sealed the deck had the same shoes that made the bloody shoe print.

Was the flip flop Cassidy's? Would she have worn size six at two years of age? They didn't get a search warrant for it, they found it and took it, that's why it's listed on the items seized.

Starting to sound a little testy Kat "Get your arrest on that.."

It's okay, we understand. Hard to see the truth written out in black and white. Denying it won't change the inevitable.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



If this had any makings of a slam dunk, there would have been an arrest.

Are you telling me it took LE until Nov of 2007 to check the deck for footprints?

After they got a warrant for charge records for shoes from DSW back in Jan 2007?

That one of the warrants just took C's flip flops in Feb of this year?

Get your arrest on that..
Kat [/*]
I agree. If it all conclusively pointed to Jason as the perp, an indictment would have been handed down.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by alter ego


WOW :eek:

This has me off the fence and leaning toward Jason being not innocent in the matter of wife's slaying.

The shoe size gives me pause, but if he was seen outside his room after he was recorded entering it and never used his key card again....

Wow. [/*]

What happened?????

[vthom]

The shoe sole matches. The DNA on the door frame matches. He will not talk to LE nor did he help in initial walk through in the house. What is he hiding from then??? Print in blood on frame, he was there. He did live a trail for LE. It is not the perfect crime. He will be found out. Look at Michael Peterson. There's less trace evidence in that case, and the truth was found out. He is guilty. I know it. What a coward he has been.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego

The shoe size does seem to flip the whole thing on it's head. [/*]


You had me worried, lol.

So, to sum up the warrants , there were certain things that L E was looking for, nothing new that we hadn't previously discussed.

The rings are missing.

I am wondering why there has been no additional mention of the therapist notes.

There is no smoking gun, there is no bombshell..

The s/w's were for routine items that had to be checked out, including Jason's alibi.

I would have liked to see more of his demeanor on camera at the Hampton, if he looked like a cold blooded killer getting ready to murder his wife.

We had a tape of OJ showing him laughing at Sydney's recital when people were trying to say he was scowling and in a murderous mood.

:shrug:

Kat

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by alter ego

The shoe size does seem to flip the whole thing on it's head.

No where do I find a men's 12 equating to a 10

http://www.onlineconversion.com/clothing_shoes_mens.htm [/*]

A men's size 10 UK would equate to US 12.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



If this had any makings of a slam dunk, there would have been an arrest.

Are you telling me it took LE until Nov of 2007 to check the deck for footprints?

After they got a warrant for charge records for shoes from DSW back in Jan 2007?

That one of the warrants just took C's flip flops in Feb of this year?

Get your arrest on that..
Kat [/*]


I have plenty of time. You always "said" that you wanted to see the SWs.

Still want to back (IMO) a murdering husband, even with his child in the womb?

Just Askin'

Swabby

"reading is fundamental"

^^^^^^^^^^MOO

[HI_CYCLE]

IF I disappear For awhile, looks like I am going to have a visitor her name is FAY and the skies are black. It looks like it is night inside my house. FLORIDA, we have a small problem.Take care and use your head.Stay updated and most important,FOLLOW,EMA,suggestions. BE SAFE.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by JD1974
I have a question, where are the clothes he wore into the hotel? Did he leave them, take them to the car....if he didn't leave with any bags or extra clothing then how the heck did he get the clothes he wore into the motel out of there? [/*]
I suppose the argument could be made that he wore an outer layer of clothing over what he was seen wearing at check in.

However, that doesn't explain the shoe size difference and the apparent lack of blood trace evidence on the pedals of the SUV Jason drove on his trip.

I am perplexed about the newspaper person seeing all the lights on in the early morning hours. Why would a killer do that when it would only serve to draw attention to the house?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


A men's size 10 UK would equate to US 12. [/*]

You have a link to that, right?

Thanxxx.

Kat

[Wyn]

Hey Swabby, denial ain't just a river is it!?

Of course, I may have to change my mind on Jason's guilt. You know, he didn't LOOK like a killer when he left the hotel. Until today I was unaware there was a certain facial expression that announced guilt.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
IF I disappear For awhile, looks like I am going to have a visitor her name is FAY and the skies are black. It looks like it is night inside my house. FLORIDA, we have a small problem.Take care and use your head.Stay updated and most important,FOLLOW,EMA,suggestions. BE SAFE. [/*]

Be safe, HI~C!!


Kat

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


The fact remains that the same shoe print on the pillow is also on the deck. The killer stained the deck in the same shoes.

Also, the other print is his size 12 Hush puppy that it was proven he owned.

If you don't want to believe the Franklin sneakers were his (someone just happened to walk on a wet deck and then kill Michelle), then you need to believe there were 2 killers....1 being Jason Young wearing the size 12 Hush puppies. [/*]HUH?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego

I suppose the argument could be made that he wore an outer layer of clothing over what he was seen wearing at check in.

However, that doesn't explain the shoe size difference and the apparent lack of blood trace evidence on the pedals of the SUV Jason drove on his trip.

I am perplexed about the newspaper person seeing all the lights on in the early morning hours. Why would a killer do that when it would only serve to draw attention to the house? [/*]


Okay, if......... Jason was seen on a camera leaving the hotel.
and, Jason's shoeprints match the killers.
and, Jason is missing a shirt.

Why has Jason not been arrested?

Kat

[vthom]

Are there any pictures of his feet in the hotel video's??? That would be interesting. I can't tell but did LE ever get a search warrant for his storage unit in Brevard?? Also, so he took the time to take the jewelry after the murder. Wonder if she was wearing the rings??
Also the hotel thing about leaving his door open. He didn't need to leave his hotel room open once he left. Wonder why he propped open the door at the exit? did he think he would come back that same night? Just in case. As far as the gas, of course he paid cash.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


You have a link to that, right?

Thanxxx.

Kat [/*]

Sorry, I thought it was common sense knowledge, like the color black (similar common knowledge about internet copyright laws).

Google is your friend.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by alter ego


WOW :eek:

This has me off the fence and leaning toward Jason being not innocent in the matter of wife's slaying.

The shoe size gives me pause, but if he was seen outside his room after he was recorded entering it and never used his key card again....

Wow. [/*]


AE,

You may not believe this, but I NEVER wanted it to be Jason.

The absolute horror that Michelle went thru... Sickens me.

RIP in your mommy's arms Rylan. You are safe now.

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943


I did, you are right. Do you suppose the employee left the rock there? Do you suppose the employee might be making up a story? Wouldn't his job be to remove the rock for security sake. Are the few size 12 shoes and Michelle's death cert. Cassie's therapy records ins.papers all they took. I guess Wake had to take something. I thought the shoes at the murder scene were Hush Puppies, why take these shoes? [/*]


What about C's therapy records?
I never heard this before.

Kat

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by janesdean
Funny how Scout and RPD have been ON THE MONEY about alot of the facts now presented in the search warrants. What ? I can't hear you June, Kat, Mimi etc..... [/*]

Yes, how did someone know about the surveilance video?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Sorry, I thought it was common sense knowledge, like the color black (similar common knowledge about internet copyright laws).

Google is your friend. [/*]



You don't have a link them saying that UK shoes in a size 10 match American shoes in a Size 12 then?

Okay, thanxxx.

That's all I wanted to know.

:)
Kat

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



If this had any makings of a slam dunk, there would have been an arrest.

Are you telling me it took LE until Nov of 2007 to check the deck for footprints?

After they got a warrant for charge records for shoes from DSW back in Jan 2007?

That one of the warrants just took C's flip flops in Feb of this year?

Get your arrest on that..
Kat [/*]

Nope,

I think that was Jason's biggest SNAFU of all.

He thought that he had a pair of disposable shoes. He just forgot that he had played in the stain with them earlier. I contribute that little detail to GOOD police work.

"Fresh Eyes" and all of that.

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Why would the killer step on a pillow?

This being the same pillow MF mentioned in her call?

And, MF says she touched it or moved it...did she not see footprints?
?????

Kat

[HI_CYCLE]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Be safe, HI~C!!


Kat [/*]TY Kat, I will,born and raised here. Worry about the foolish ones. oops lights flickered.Getting off now.:chicken:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Yes, how did someone know about the surveilance video? [/*]Yes the info of what was seen on the video being disclosed is quite bothersome.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles




You don't have a link them saying that UK shoes in a size 10 match American shoes in a Size 12 then?

Okay, thanxxx.

That's all I wanted to know.

:)
Kat [/*]

It's not my job to provide you with a link of common knowledge available to everybody.

BTW, are you familiar with the metric system?

Once again, Google is your friend.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Yes, how did someone know about the surveilance video? [/*]


All hotels have surveillance videos, gas stations, grocery stores, supermarkets, everything is on tape.

Highways, street crossings, etc..

Elevators, subways, trains, etc..

Kat

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Be safe, HI~C!!


Kat [/*]

Ditto!

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


It's not my job to provide you with a link of common knowledge available to everybody.

BTW, are you familiar with the metric system?

Once again, Google is your friend. [/*]


It's okay if you don't have one.

Apparently, it didn't matter.

Kat

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



It's okay if you don't have one.

Apparently, it didn't matter.

Kat [/*]

I'm not going to hold your hand, Kat.

You can Google "shoe conversion chart" and

that might help you find your answer.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
Why would the killer step on a pillow?

This being the same pillow MF mentioned in her call?

And, MF says she touched it or moved it...did she not see footprints?
?????

Kat [/*]

What leads you to believe it's the same pillow Meredith mentioned?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


I thought Gojo leaked that info by mistake when he saw the SW's back on 2/14. This was one of the times that he disappeared for a while. [/*]


Whatever the s/w's do or do not include the one thing that is the most important is that nothing was so damning or damaging that it made an arrest happen..

Everything in these warrants pertain to Jason, I see no one else being looked at...but, we also don't know what other warrants there are, f any.

Also, in all the news articles today it states no one is a suspect. or has been named a suspect.

Call Jason a suspect, bring him in, make him talk..
Measure his foot in the United Kingdom.

:)
Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by annalyzer


What happened????? [/*]
Just being open minded. :)

[alter ego]

Originally posted by montauk66
If a US store imported the orbital shoes as a size 10UK, it would come up in the receipts as a size 12?

Btw, forget the online purchase, just reread the receipts. [/*]Not according to the size conversion chart I posted upthread.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


You can blame the retired teacher or a Young family confidant...they are the only ones that saw the SW's


OR, are you just talking about what the cops disclosed being troublesome for JLY ? [/*]


I can even admit after reading the warrants, things look bad and that Jason is the focus..

But, without more info I can not convict him or anyone of you if you were accused of a crime, with the amount of evidence known.

The fact that Jason was miles and miles away scrunches the timeline and I have yet to see a motive that holds up.

Now that jewelry has been confirmed to be missing, when exactly did Jason have time to do that?

And leave all the lights on to draw attention to the home?

And park right in the driveway so anyone and everyone could see him!!!

And, how about his cell phone records?

"Show me a ping"...

:)
Kat

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles




You don't have a link them saying that UK shoes in a size 10 match American shoes in a Size 12 then?

Okay, thanxxx.

That's all I wanted to know.

:)
Kat [/*]

I just looked inside a pair of my sneakers. Size 8 us, size 6 uk.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Whatever the s/w's do or do not include the one thing that is the most important is that nothing was so damning or damaging that it made an arrest happen..

Everything in these warrants pertain to Jason, I see no one else being looked at...but, we also don't know what other warrants there are, f any.

Also, in all the news articles today it states no one is a suspect. or has been named a suspect.

Call Jason a suspect, bring him in, make him talk..
Measure his foot in the United Kingdom.

:)
Kat [/*]

You are unbelievable!


Yet you claim that you pegged Scott Peterson from "jump street"?

They had NOTHING on Scott compared to this!

Hi to SP in San Quentin, ... I'm sure his mommie has him internet connection by now.

MOO

Swabby

I'm tired of guessing, what nic did you use during PW? PMs are open. THX

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by alter ego

Just being open minded. :) [/*]

No, I meant literally what happened. But I've been reading back and found out.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser
I hate to say it, but after all this fun, the evidential arrest will somehow be anticlimactic. [/*]

By the end of the summer, right?
;)
Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


A men's size 10 UK would equate to US 12. [/*]Nope.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


You are unbelievable!


Yet you claim that you pegged Scott Peterson from "jump street"?

They had NOTHING on Scott compared to this!

Hi to SP in San Quentin, ... I'm sure his mommie has him internet connection by now.

MOO

Swabby

I'm tired of guessing, what nic did you use during PW? PMs are open. THX [/*]


Scott was laughing at Laci's Memorial.

Scott had Amber.

Scott pretended to be in Paris with Pasquale and Francois.

Scott told Amber his wife had died.

Scott loked up charts of the tide on the SF bay.

Scott brought a boat no one knew of..

They had nothing on Scott?

Hmmm.

Enough to put him on Death Row though.

Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by annalyzer


No, I meant literally what happened. But I've been reading back and found out. [/*]Oh, sorry Anna...what is your take on what is contained in the SWs?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5




I'm tired of guessing, what nic did you use during PW? PMs are open. THX [/*]


What is PW?

Kat

[vthom]

I hope by the end of the summer. Why can't he be arrested and held. There is probable cause.
There has been cause from day one. Where are the links to MF reports? Did they find faxes that he sent?? Are there time line links? I am raleighite and have been following this case.
Cassidy needs to be away from him. Is her therapy sessions in Brevard???

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



I can even admit after reading the warrants, things look bad and that Jason is the focus..

But, without more info I can not convict him or anyone of you if you were accused of a crime, with the amount of evidence known.

The fact that Jason was miles and miles away scrunches the timeline and I have yet to see a motive that holds up.

Now that jewelry has been confirmed to be missing, when exactly did Jason have time to do that?

And leave all the lights on to draw attention to the home?

And park right in the driveway so anyone and everyone could see him!!!

And, how about his cell phone records?

"Show me a ping"...

:)
Kat [/*]

Kat,

(A) Jason had PLENTY of time!

(*) tossing rings out of the window, "no -brainer".

(C) I believe that Cassidy interrupted..the rest is history.

(D) As for the phone records...you didn't expect these SWs to reveal ALL, did you?

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by alter ego
Oh, sorry Anna...what is your take on what is contained in the SWs? [/*]

Am I to understand that two different types of shoes prints were found at the scene?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



What is PW?

Kat [/*]

common knowledge. Peterson West.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Kat,

(A) Jason had PLENTY of time!

(*) tossing rings out of the window, "no -brainer".

(C) I believe that Cassidy interrupted..the rest is history.

(D) As for the phone records...you didn't expect these SWs to reveal ALL, did you?

MOO

Swabby [/*]

Awful brazen to leave all the lights on inside and out and his SUV in the driveway. But this is just from one eyewitness, the paper carrier.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


common knowledge. Peterson West. [/*]

Not common knowledge to me.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


Please read the SW's ;) [/*]

I just did. They mentioned a Hushpuppie and another shoe prints didn't they?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Scott was laughing at Laci's Memorial.

Scott had Amber.

Scott pretended to be in Paris with Pasquale and Francois.

Scott told Amber his wife had died.

Scott loked up charts of the tide on the SF bay.

Scott brought a boat no one knew of..

They had nothing on Scott?

Hmmm.

Enough to put him on Death Row though.

Kat [/*]



I think you missed the poster's point as to:

"They had NOTHING on Scott compared to this!"

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser

You got something against NY times delivery people ? [/*]


No. Do you have a problem?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Not common knowledge to me. [/*]

If you followed the PW case, it would be!

[alter ego]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Am I to understand that two different types of shoes prints were found at the scene? [/*]Shoesprints in blood with a '10' on a pillow and some prints on the deck in deckstain that appear to be similar to the ones on the pillow.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Awful brazen to leave all the lights on inside and out and his SUV in the driveway. But this is just from one eyewitness, the paper carrier. [/*]Yeah.

And puzzling as to why someone would do that.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


OMG Kat, do you honestly think this is the entire case against JY ?
The judge required extensive PC to get SW's in Brevard.
Rest assured, the DA has much, much more on JLY.

Like I have been telling you for > 1 year, they are waiting on that last little piece to slam dunk this PM murder to the death penalty. If they don't get it soon, they have a very compelling case with both forensics and tons on CE.

Why can't you stop and understand that ? [/*]

Do you understand what you are saying?
You are saying they have this, plus more?
And they still can not get an arrest?

:biggrin:

Kat

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by alter ego
Shoesprints in blood with a '10' on a pillow and some prints on the deck in deckstain that appear to be similar to the ones on the pillow. [/*]


I guess the "handyman" wore those shoes when he stained the deck? And then the "killer" with same shoes (covered Michelle's head with a pillow) and then stomped on it?

eta: It wasn't enough that the killer beat Michelle to death, knocked her teeth out, killed the life inside her (with toddler in the next room, lights on, car in driveway), but he covered her head with a pillow and stomped on it; enough so that he left a BLOODY shoe PRINT on the pillow. Disgusting.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by alter ego
Shoesprints in blood with a '10' on a pillow and some prints on the deck in deckstain that appear to be similar to the ones on the pillow. [/*]

Maybe I'm just too tired after work, I'll read again later, but two types of shoes are mentioned as leaving prints, a Franklin brand athletic shoe and a Hushpuppie shoe.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Do you understand what you are saying?
You are saying they have this, plus more?
And they still can not get an arrest?

:biggrin:

Kat [/*]

They don't have to arrest him until they're ready! What part of that don't you understand, Kat? It's a murder case. There is no deadline to make an arrest.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints



I guess the "handyman" wore those shoes when he stained the deck? And then the "killer" with same shoes (covered Michelle's head with a pillow) and then stomped on it?

eta: It wasn't enough that the killer beat Michelle to death, knocked her teeth out, killed the life inside her (with toddler in the next room, lights on, car in driveway), but he covered her head with a pillow and stomped on it; enough so that he left a BLOODY shoe PRINT on the pillow. Disgusting. [/*]

There was a lot of pent up hate and rage in Michelle's murder, that's for sure.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


They don't have to arrest him until they're ready! What part of that don't you understand, Kat? It's a murder case. There is no deadline to make an arrest. [/*]

Yep..........
We always like killers to remain free as long as we can..
Teaches other criminals a good lesson.

:lol:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


Yes, I know exactly what I said.
Apparently you did not.
I said they want more for the death penalty.
If they don't get it soon, they have a ton of forensic and CE
to move forward. [/*]

So, in other words, they do not have enough for the DP now.
But, someday they will.

Someday before summer is over.
Kat

[5swab5]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Awful brazen to leave all the lights on inside and out and his SUV in the driveway. But this is just from one eyewitness, the paper carrier. [/*]

Why would he do anything different? He lived there!

It is the culmination of all events that early Nov. evening/morning. Jason is not a serial killer. The public "at large" is safe.

RIP Michelle & Rylan, we are getting forever closer.

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by annalyzer


There was a lot of pent up hate and rage in Michelle's murder, that's for sure. [/*]

I agree , did anyone ever see Jason mad?

Kat

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


I agree , did anyone ever see Jason mad?

Kat [/*]

:rolleyes:

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Why would he do anything different? He lived there!

[/*]

Because he was sneaking around and committing murder!



So someone please help me out here. Why would there be prints from two different types of shoes at the murder scene?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by june1943
I'm sorry to see that you find it funny that we are discussing a murder of a beautiful young mother. Her teeth were scattered all over her bedroom and you are having fun discussing this. You are certainly not who I thought you were , but you are sounding like someone very sick that I know from Raleigh. Would you happen to be very short in stature? [/*]

I didn't read anywhere that the post you're referring made any comment about this case being funny. I interpreted as maybe the poster was referring to the "fun debate".

In the future, please address the contents of the post and not the poster.

Thank you.

[annalyzer]

Why would there be prints from two different types of shoes at the murder scene?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by june1943


No one is going to throw away a stone as big as Michelle's ring. [/*]

You would if it was the difference between life in prison and freedom.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser



I have to explain each and every word to you ?

I said they are waiting for a strong DP case. If they don't get that soon, they will proceed with 1st degree..life in prison. [/*]

Sorry,

I vote for the "two for one" special!

N.C. is in the back of the line adopting the new law.

WHERE are we? The federal law is plain and simple. OH, I forgot, some "PORK" dude proposes a bridge to Australia instead.

Forgive me, and carry on!

Swabby

(the murderer of Michelle SHOULD be held accountable for Rylan's death too!)

Period, the END!

MOO!

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by annalyzer
Why would there be prints from two different types of shoes at the murder scene? [/*]

Entered the house in one pair of shoes and exited the house in a different pair of shoes. IMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


So, in other words, they do not have enough for the DP now.
But, someday they will.

Someday before summer is over.
Kat [/*]That doesn't make sense. There are either aggravating circumstances or there aren't.

(d) Aggravating Factors. – The following are aggravating factors:

(1) The defendant induced others to participate in the commission of the offense or occupied a position of leadership or dominance of other participants.

(2) The defendant joined with more than one other person in committing the offense and was not charged with committing a conspiracy.

(2a) The offense was committed for the benefit of, or at the direction of, any criminal street gang, with the specific intent to promote, further, or assist in any criminal conduct by gang members, and the defendant was not charged with committing a conspiracy. A "criminal street gang" means any ongoing organization, association, or group of three or more persons, whether formal or informal, having as one of its primary activities the commission of felony or violent misdemeanor offenses, or delinquent acts that would be felonies or violent misdemeanors if committed by an adult, and having a common name or common identifying sign, colors, or symbols.

(3) The offense was committed for the purpose of avoiding or preventing a lawful arrest or effecting an escape from custody.

(4) The defendant was hired or paid to commit the offense.

(5) The offense was committed to disrupt or hinder the lawful exercise of any governmental function or the enforcement of laws.

(6) The offense was committed against or proximately caused serious injury to a present or former law enforcement officer, employee of the Department of Correction, jailer, fireman, emergency medical technician, ambulance attendant, social worker, justice or judge, clerk or assistant or deputy clerk of court, magistrate, prosecutor, juror, or witness against the defendant, while engaged in the performance of that person's official duties or because of the exercise of that person's official duties.

(6a) The offense was committed against or proximately caused serious harm as defined in G.S. 14‑163.1 or death to a law enforcement agency animal or assistance animal as defined in G.S. 14‑163.1, while engaged in the performance of the animal's official duties.

(7) The offense was especially heinous, atrocious, or cruel.

(8) The defendant knowingly created a great risk of death to more than one person by means of a weapon or device which would normally be hazardous to the lives of more than one person.

(9) The defendant held public office at the time of the offense and the offense related to the conduct of the office.

(10) The defendant was armed with or used a deadly weapon at the time of the crime.

(11) The victim was very young, or very old, or mentally or physically infirm, or handicapped.

(12) The defendant committed the offense while on pretrial release on another charge.

(13) The defendant involved a person under the age of 16 in the commission of the crime.

(14) The offense involved an attempted or actual taking of property of great monetary value or damage causing great monetary loss, or the offense involved an unusually large quantity of contraband.

(15) The defendant took advantage of a position of trust or confidence, including a domestic relationship, to commit the offense.

(16) The offense involved the sale or delivery of a controlled substance to a minor.

(16a) The offense is the manufacture of methamphetamine and was committed where a person under the age of 18 lives, was present, or was otherwise endangered by exposure to the drug, its ingredients, its by‑products, or its waste.

(16*) The offense is the manufacture of methamphetamine and was committed in a dwelling that is one of four or more contiguous dwellings.

(17) The offense for which the defendant stands convicted was committed against a victim because of the victim's race, color, religion, nationality, or country of origin.

(18) The defendant does not support the defendant's family.

(18a) The defendant has previously been adjudicated delinquent for an offense that would be a Class A, *1, *2, C, D, or E felony if committed by an adult.

(19) The serious injury inflicted upon the victim is permanent and debilitating.

(20) Any other aggravating factor reasonably related to the purposes of sentencing.

http://tinyurl.com/5mjxlj

[alter ego]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I didn't read anywhere that the post you're referring made any comment about this case being funny. I interpreted as maybe the poster was referring to the "fun debate".

In the future, please address the contents of the post and not the poster.

Thank you. [/*]Practice what you preach.

Thank you.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by annalyzer
Why would there be prints from two different types of shoes at the murder scene? [/*]
And both of them on the pillow.

:shrug:

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by alter ego
Practice what you preach.

Thank you. [/*]

Oh Lordy, since 2004, I think I've only slipped up a couple of times. Had to sit in the corner too! :D

[im4justice]

Originally posted by june1943


Well I'm back to singing my same song. Whoever has the jewelry killed Michelle. No one is going to throw away a stone as big as Michelle's ring. Its stashed somewhere. Wonder who's baby teeth was taken. More mementos of the Fishers girls? [/*]

Pat Young reports among jewelry taken
a pearl neklace

Among the inventory of items Seized in search of Jason's Frontier self storage :Pearl necklaces I guess LE will be checking those out

[im4justice]

Here's a link to a UK/US coversion chart for men's shoes

http://www.solepedia.com/Shoe_Size_Conversion

Seems like a Mens UK10 can convert anywhere to a 10.5 to 11.5 Mens US shoes size depending on the manufacturer I do not see a Franklin listed
Depending on the style and manufacturer I dont think it unusual for peoples shoe size to vary by a half to full sixe I myself usually wear a size 8 but some shoes run big and I can get a size 7

[alter ego]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints



I guess the "handyman" wore those shoes when he stained the deck? And then the "killer" with same shoes (covered Michelle's head with a pillow) and then stomped on it?

eta: It wasn't enough that the killer beat Michelle to death, knocked her teeth out, killed the life inside her (with toddler in the next room, lights on, car in driveway), but he covered her head with a pillow and stomped on it; enough so that he left a BLOODY shoe PRINT on the pillow. Disgusting. [/*]
Where in the world are you getting that Michelle's head was covered with a pillow and then stomped on?

:rolleyes:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego

:shrug: [/*]

:shrug: 2.

K, let's try this.

Jason worked on this diabolical genius masterminded plan to kill Michelle for some time.

All he needed was an excuse to get out of town that everyone knew about.

He calls Michelle , pretends everything is ok, then proceeds with evil plan.

1) He cozies up to the front desk clerk after checking in and before hitting on the road to madness, chats with the clerk and smiles nice for the camera.

2) He makes sure he is seen leaving the hotel.

3) He drives for approx 3 hours making sure no one sees him.

4)He arrives back home, parks in the driveway, cause he has nothing to hide, he is only there to simply bludgeon his wife to death,

5)Sure wouldn't want to wake Michelle or C or the neighbors by pulling in the driveway.

6)Sure wouldnt want anyone to see him or put him back in Raleigh.

7) Commits murder,then leaves all the lights on to alert neighbors something could be wrong in the Young house.

8)Knows the NY Times will be delivering papers soon.

9) Knows the sun will be coming up.
What was sunrise for am on 11/3?

1O)Kisses C goodbye, pats Mr. G on the head for not barking, and is off to his meeting.

11) Oops, has to make a fast robbery attempt set~up

12) Exits home, packs all incriminating evidence with him, after taking a shower.

13) Still leaves the home unsecured knowing C is all alone and could wander outside.

14)Drives approx 6 hours which means he arrives at 10-11am for meeting..(This is not possible) Again, no eye witness.

15) Has his meeting, is able to look people in the eye and act normal.

16 Drives to Brevard, gets hit with the devastating news that Michelle is dead, and the rest we know, or kinda know.


How's that?

:rolleyes:

Kat

[5swab5]

Originally posted by annalyzer
Why would there be prints from two different types of shoes at the murder scene? [/*]

THINK!

Do the "rock in the lock"!

MOO

Swabby

Were there ANY other bludgeoned wives reported....whose husbands spent the night, at THAT hotel. That night?

I rest my case.

Swabby

MOO as usual.

[im4justice]

Originally posted by annalyzer
Why would there be prints from two different types of shoes at the murder scene? [/*]
Different possibilities

Murderer may not have expected such a bloody scene Realizing just how bloody the shoes have become Shoes are put into a plastic bag and a different pair taken out of closet and are put on?

2 diiferent people 2 sets of shoes?
JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


:shrug: 2.

K, let's try this.

Jason worked on this diabolical genius masterminded plan to kill Michelle for some time.

All he needed was an excuse to get out of town that everyone knew about.

He calls Michelle , pretends everything is ok, then proceeds with evil plan.

1) He cozies up to the front desk clerk after checking in and before hitting on the road to madness, chats with the clerk and smiles nice for the camera.

2) He makes sure he is seen leaving the hotel.

3) He drives for approx 3 hours making sure no one sees him.

4)He arrives back home, parks in the driveway, cause he has nothing to hide, he is only there to simply bludgeon his wife to death,

5)Sure wouldn't want to wake Michelle or C or the neighbors by pulling in the driveway.

6)Sure wouldnt want anyone to see him or put him back in Raleigh.

7) Commits murder,then leaves all the lights on to alert neighbors something could be wrong in the Young house.

8)Knows the NY Times will be delivering papers soon.

9) Knows the sun will be coming up.
What was sunrise for am on 11/3?

1O)Kisses C goodbye, pats Mr. G on the head for not barking, and is off to his meeting.

11) Oops, has to make a fast robbery attempt set~up

12) Exits home, packs all incriminating evidence with him, after taking a shower.

13) Still leaves the home unsecured knowing C is all alone and could wander outside.

14)Drives approx 6 hours which means he arrives at 10-11am for meeting..(This is not possible) Again, no eye witness.

15) Has his meeting, is able to look people in the eye and act normal.

16 Drives to Brevard, gets hit with the devastating news that Michelle is dead, and the rest we know, or kinda know.


How's that?

:rolleyes:

Kat [/*]

ETA....Forgot the most important ones.

!7)Must have someone find Michelle.
18) Need lame excuse to rescue C

[lonetraveler]

Originally posted by june1943


Finish it. The print wasn't conclusive. That means it wasn't Jason's. Swab the Sheetrock in your house I bet your DNA is all over it. That's shedding skin cells. Take off a garment and the skin cells fly all over the place. [/*]

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I read this and just had to get into the fray. Not conclusive does not rule out that the print could be Jason's. It just means that he can not be ruled out. However, when a print is over the blood splatter Hint: (surrounded by blood splatter), it had to have been put there after the blood splattered the wall. Think about it......

[Kat4Eagles]

Coach Purse seized in Warrant.


What was that about?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


As we discussed many times before, I bet he ditched all the jewelry along with the clothes and weapon. No way he takes a chance with the ring showing up later....after all, he had $1mm coming to him ;) [/*]

No one would ever even admit jewelry was stolen, score one for the JII's.

:)
Kat

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by im4justice


Pat Young reports among jewelry taken
a pearl neklace

Among the inventory of items Seized in search of Jason's Frontier self storage :Pearl necklaces I guess LE will be checking those out [/*]

Yes, the pearl necklaces are listed.

Is a platinum ring and a diamond ring also listed somewhere?

JLY's wedding band is gold, right?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Maybe I'm just too tired after work, I'll read again later, but two types of shoes are mentioned as leaving prints, a Franklin brand athletic shoe and a Hushpuppie shoe. [/*]
I reread it again and yes, the Franklin shoe print with a '10' in blood on the pillow is similar to the print on the deck.

But they are chasing down the Hushpuppy shoe to see if it belonged to Jason.

Not the Franklin one.

:shrug:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego

I reread it again and yes, the Franklin shoe print with a '10' in blood on the pillow is similar to the print on the deck.

But they are chasing down the Hushpuppy shoe to see if it belonged to Jason.

Not the Franklin one.

:shrug: [/*]

I imagine the shoes the killer wore were covered in blood. Too risky to leave wearing them. IF the killer changed shoes, they may have inadvertently left a shoeprint somewhere telling, without realizing it.

JMO

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


As we discussed many times before, I bet he ditched all the jewelry along with the clothes and weapon. No way he takes a chance with the ring showing up later....after all, he had $1mm coming to him ;) [/*]



Nah,

IF that were true, Jason and the "honey" of the week would be in "parts unknown".

Guar*D*tee you, that more besides me, knows EXACTLY where JLY is tonight.:D

Show Me The Money! He Who Has Nothing To Hide, Hides Nothing!

MOO

Swabby

[alter ego]

Hushpuppy bellville

http://tinyurl.com/6hnle5

Hushpuppy sealy

http://tinyurl.com/694hg2

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


He wore the hush puppy shoes to the murder...they became a bloody mess, so he grabbed the old sneakers he used to stain decks and other 'messy' jobs. [/*]

If that's true, that leans less toward premeditation than if it were the other way around.

JMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I imagine the shoes the killer wore were covered in blood. Too risky to leave wearing them. IF the killer changed shoes, they may have inadvertently left a shoeprint somewhere telling, without realizing it.

JMO [/*]But.....there was evidently no blood trace found on the pedals of the SUV Jason drove that weekend but the shoe prints were in blood....

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by 5swab5




Nah,

IF that were true, Jason and the "honey" of the week would be in "parts unknown".

Guar*D*tee you, that more besides me, knows EXACTLY where JLY is tonight.:D

Show Me The Money! He Who Has Nothing To Hide, Hides Nothing!

MOO

Swabby [/*]

:D thanks for the guarantee...

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


If that's true, that leans less toward premeditation than if it were the other way around.

JMO [/*]I disagree. If he did indeed prop the door open at that hotel with a rock, there is premeditation right there.

Besides, premeditation can form in a matter of seconds.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I imagine the shoes the killer wore were covered in blood. Too risky to leave wearing them. IF the killer changed shoes, they may have inadvertently left a shoeprint somewhere telling, without realizing it.

JMO [/*]and....Jason doesn't wear a size 10....

[lonetraveler]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


Do you pop your head into stranger's hotel rooms? [/*]

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I traveled many, many times in my career and many times I have seen hotel room doors with the dead bolts locked into place outside of the door to intentionally keep the door from closing and locking. Some do this because they did not get a second key and were expecting someone and also they may have children who are not in the room and they have to shower or whatever and do not want to have to go and open the door for anyone. I know, bad for security but it happens all the time.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by im4justice

Different possibilities

Murderer may not have expected such a bloody scene Realizing just how bloody the shoes have become Shoes are put into a plastic bag and a different pair taken out of closet and are put on?

2 diiferent people 2 sets of shoes?
JMO [/*]

Nice try,

Did he also have a "mattress" and a threat of divorce from the deceased?

PLUS a $1,000,000.00 insurance policy?

MOO

Swabby

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
But.....there was evidently no blood trace found on the pedals of the SUV Jason drove that weekend but the shoe prints were in blood.... [/*]

Maybe a shoeprint was left in dried blood. Maybe crisscrossing one of Cassidy's footprints. It may not have been enough to transfer to the gas pedal after walking through the house?

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943


It wasn't a purse Kat it was just a brown paper coach bag. The kind the store puts your purchases in. Why would they take Michelle's death cert. and Cassie's therapy records? I thought they could only take what was on the list of what they were looking for. Maybe they were embarrassed to have traveled 5 hours for 2 pr. of gym shoes so they grabbed up some other stuff to make the list longer. Did you see they took Cassies flipflops. What is wrong with these police? [/*]

Thank you, June

A lot to absorb in one day ......especially a Monday..

I thought Bud said the warrants would not come out this soon.

:confused:

Kat

[lonetraveler]

Originally posted by alter ego
and....Jason doesn't wear a size 10.... [/*]

==============================================
Don't get too comfortable with that thought. I served on a triple murder and rape trial and one of the reasons that "reasonable doubt" was found was due to the defendant wearing a size 13 shoe and a shoe print in the blood was a size 9. That "freed defendant" is going to be retried by a military court this fall. NO, double jepardy does not rule because he was tried in a State criminal court the first time (found guilty), State Criminal court the second time (won a re-trial) and now the military has dna evidence (semin) matching his dna and trial no. 3 is coming up. Look up Timothy Bailey Hennis if you would like.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
I disagree. If he did indeed prop the door open at that hotel with a rock, there is premeditation right there.

Besides, premeditation can form in a matter of seconds. [/*]

That's true. Unfortunately. I keep hoping it wasn't premeditated.

[alter ego]

Franklin shoe???

http://tinyurl.com/5quqfg

[alter ego]

Originally posted by lonetraveler


==============================================
Don't get too comfortable with that thought. I served on a triple murder and rape trial and one of the reasons that "reasonable doubt" was found was due to the defendant wearing a size 13 shoe and a shoe print in the blood was a size 9. That "freed defendant" is going to be retried by a military court this fall. NO, double jepardy does not rule because he was tried in a State criminal court the first time (found guilty), State Criminal court the second time (won a re-trial) and now the military has dna evidence (semin) matching his dna and trial no. 3 is coming up. Look up Timothy Bailey Hennis if you would like. [/*]

o/t I can't believe the military is going after him after he has been cleared by civilian courts twice now. :cuss:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


Bye Bye June

You are being reported for harassment :seeya: [/*]

Please don't do that. I'd hate to see the thread closed on this discussion.

June, who cares how tall Bud is?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by june1943


It wasn't a purse Kat it was just a brown paper coach bag. The kind the store puts your purchases in. Why would they take Michelle's death cert. and Cassie's therapy records? I thought they could only take what was on the list of what they were looking for. Maybe they were embarrassed to have traveled 5 hours for 2 pr. of gym shoes so they grabbed up some other stuff to make the list longer. Did you see they took Cassies flipflops. What is wrong with these police? [/*]

"What is wrong with these police?"

You might want to check with your neighbor who lives in Raleigh.

:D

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by lonetraveler


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I traveled many, many times in my career and many times I have seen hotel room doors with the dead bolts locked into place outside of the door to intentionally keep the door from closing and locking. Some do this because they did not get a second key and were expecting someone and also they may have children who are not in the room and they have to shower or whatever and do not want to have to go and open the door for anyone. I know, bad for security but it happens all the time. [/*]

I agree, we constantly leave the door ajar when not going out for a long time..

Sometimes friends are staying on another floor, or we run down to get something from the gift shop, coffee shop, etc.

Or even something from the car..
Like the laptop.

Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Maybe a shoeprint was left in dried blood. Maybe crisscrossing one of Cassidy's footprints. It may not have been enough to transfer to the gas pedal after walking through the house?

JMO [/*]Any amt would leave transfer trace evidence.

[lonetraveler]

Originally posted by alter ego
I disagree. If he did indeed prop the door open at that hotel with a rock, there is premeditation right there.

Besides, premeditation can form in a matter of seconds. [/*]

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
It would'nt take a large rock, only one large enough to keep the door from shutting enough to automatically lock.

[lonetraveler]

I'm wondering where his hotel room was located? Was it at the end of the hallway? That way, no one would have had any reason to be walking by the door and would not have noticed the rock in the doorway.

[im4justice]

Originally posted by june1943


That deck had not been stained since Jason and Michelle moved there . What part of that don't you understand? [/*]
June Jason stained the deck when they moved in and left his shoe imprint on the deck board
A similar shoe imprint to the deckboard is now found made by blood on a pillow at the crime scene Do you not understand????
JMO

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by june1943


That deck had not been stained since Jason and Michelle moved there . What part of that don't you understand? [/*]


"What part of that don't you understand?"

Once again, at the very least, you could use your own words rather than mimic my words.

Reasonable Logic: The killer on the night/morning of the murder was wearing the same pair of shoes that he wore when he stained the deck. Simple.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943


That deck had not been stained since Jason and Michelle moved there . What part of that don't you understand? [/*]

Wow...nice work.
I remember reading here that Jason purchased stain but never got around to using it.
Was the stain un~opened then?
Would the prints on the deck be from the former owners.?
I wonder if they had to give shoe measurements.
Well, that shoots that theory down..

I still can not believe anyone would want to live in that house. yuk.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by im4justice

June Jason stained the deck when they moved in and left his shoe imprint on the deck board
A similar shoe imprint to the deckboard is now found made by blood on a pillow at the crime scene Do you not understand????
JMO [/*]

It was stated here that Jason did not stain the deck..

Kat

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


It was stated here that Jason did not stain the deck..

Kat [/*]

June stated that he stained the deck when they moved into the house!

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943
No way that jewelry was ditched. That jewelry was part of Michelle's Fishers inheritance. That jewelry may never be seen again , but I assure you it is still around somewhere. That is unless the 7-05-07 Sw found it. [/*]

I agree, it's around somewhere.

At least thw SWs confirmed that the drawers were missing at the time the crime scene was secured. That puts to rest the rumors about them having been taken after the house was released.

I think it's interesting that the drawers themselves are missing, rather than just the contents. I can understand the drawers being removed, but I find it strange that they were taken.

JMO

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by june1943


A man's platinum ring and a woman's platium band. What do you want to bet those were LF's and AF's and Jason wanted his own band. [/*]

He must have wanted those rings (as you say), his DNA profile is on the jewelry box.

Where was he going to wear the 3 pearl necklaces?

:o Pat Young should be embarrassed at this point.

[on the go]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


He must have wanted those rings (as you say), his DNA profile is on the jewelry box.

Where was he going to wear the 3 pearl necklaces?

:o Pat Young should be embarrassed at this point. [/*]

Pat Young should be wondering where the h*ll her son's shirt went.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by on the go


Pat Young should be wondering where the h*ll her son's shirt went. [/*]

The shirt and the key card access records are two of the most significant pieces of probable cause in the warrants, IMO.

[lonetraveler]

I re-read the warrant and would like to correct my earlier post: the rock was used in the door jam of the side exit door, not the hotel room door. However, I do think that he used the dead bolt to keep the door from shutting and locking so that entry into his room would not have registered. The video proves that he did leave his room and was dressed in dark clothing at the front desk area around 11:59 pm. leaving toward the side exit door. The key is not shown being used again until 11:41 am the next morning. This is how I see it at this time.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by june1943


Jason moved in 3 years before , he bought those shoes you are talking about in 05. You need to check with some insider ,because I have been told Jason never ever stained that deck. From the looks of the deck in the real estate ad I would bet that's right. [/*]

Do you have a link to those shoes he bought in 2005?

LE might want to talk with you, if you know for a fact that he purchased those shoes in 05. Did he buy those shoes from you?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by june1943


Jason moved in 3 years before , he bought those shoes you are talking about in 05. You need to check with some insider ,because I have been told Jason never ever stained that deck. From the looks of the deck in the real estate ad I would bet that's right. [/*]

Well, once again June, looks like somebody misinformed you yet again!

(btw, I don't think Jason ever got around to completely staining the deck, he obviously purchased some stain though, right?)

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by june1943


He was seen going into the room carrying a bag. When he went out the side door he wasn't carrying a bag. He had to have gone back to the room at some point. I wonder if LE ever found the first shirt he was wearing. My daughters and I travel a lot. We always pull that little lever around to keep the door from locking. We get non smoking rooms but some of us smoke . So we are always going outside. I see a lot of people doing that. Those that are saying that Jason never went back in that room are full of it. He may even have called Michelle after he was seen in the lobby the second time. Telephone records will tell. [/*]

Does Jason smoke?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943


He was seen going into the room carrying a bag. When he went out the side door he wasn't carrying a bag. He had to have gone back to the room at some point. I wonder if LE ever found the first shirt he was wearing. My daughters and I travel a lot. We always pull that little lever around to keep the door from locking. We get non smoking rooms but some of us smoke . So we are always going outside. I see a lot of people doing that. Those that are saying that Jason never went back in that room are full of it. He may even have called Michelle after he was seen in the lobby the second time. Telephone records will tell. [/*]

June, you're exactly right. He HAD to have gone back into his room at some point. Problem is, he didn't use his keycard. I can see someone setting the safety latch to step outside for a few minutes. I've done that myself. But I wouldn't leave my room unsecured if it weren't within view AND go to the trouble of finding a rock to keep the outside door from latching. The key card is NOT that much trouble.

JMO

[SayNothing]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I agree, it's around somewhere.

At least thw SWs confirmed that the drawers were missing at the time the crime scene was secured. That puts to rest the rumors about them having been taken after the house was released.

I think it's interesting that the drawers themselves are missing, rather than just the contents. I can understand the drawers being removed, but I find it strange that they were taken.

JMO [/*]

Of course JY would take them because he'd be afraid that he'd leave DNA on them when he pulled out the drawers.

[Schatzie]

According to a Raleigh TV station- things don't look good for Young. I remember on another thread a few stated the police were doing nothing as 2 yrs. have passed-wrong!

[lonetraveler]

Originally posted by Cardinal


The shirt and the key card access records are two of the most significant pieces of probable cause in the warrants, IMO. [/*]

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ITA, very valuable key pieces of evidence. Key card only used twice, once entering and once upon leaving the hotel the next day, but video proves he left the room and walked toward the side exit about midnight. So, his first exit from the room wasn't clocked on the key and the second time he entered the room is also not clocked on the key. Surely, some of you who think he did not commit this crime have doubts at this time???

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by lonetraveler


==============================================
ITA, very valuable key pieces of evidence. Key card only used twice, once entering and once upon leaving the hotel the next day, but video proves he left the room and walked toward the side exit about midnight. So, his first exit from the room wasn't clocked on the key and the second time he entered the room is also not clocked on the key. Surely, some of you who think he did not commit this crime have doubts at this time??? [/*]

The door only records when you enter, not exit. The only record of him using the key card is when he checked in. The key card used the next day was used by the housekeeper to go in and clean the room.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by june1943

Card, I can't see him leaving his door open driving to Raleigh killing is wife ,driving back to hotel getting dressed for meeting. None of that makes sense. If a light colored car was seen between 4 and 5 at the house that would give Jason at the most 7 hrs to get back to the motel , dress and drive to Clintwood. Its 5 and 1/2 hr That leaves 1 and 1/2 hrs to dress and check out of motel. It could be done , but there is that pesky gas problem. His car needed gas after the meeting just as it should have. I would think he would have had to have been so lucky to have pulled this off and not have been seen by any one. I still am hoping something was found in the 7=05-07 warrants. Wish we could have seen them today. I still have a ray of hope that those are being held because there has been an indictment. Maybe they found what was missing in that warrant. [/*]

He could very well have showered and dressed at his house. He had clothes there to change into. That means he could have gone straight to the meeting.

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


That is an understatement :)

Yes, Kat has gone on and on about this being a cold case.
Shows how much she knows :D [/*]There were a few others too!

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943

Card, I can't see him leaving his door open driving to Raleigh killing is wife ,driving back to hotel getting dressed for meeting. None of that makes sense. If a light colored car was seen between 4 and 5 at the house that would give Jason at the most 7 hrs to get back to the motel , dress and drive to Clintwood. Its 5 and 1/2 hr That leaves 1 and 1/2 hrs to dress and check out of motel. It could be done , but there is that pesky gas problem. His car needed gas after the meeting just as it should have. I would think he would have had to have been so lucky to have pulled this off and not have been seen by any one. I still am hoping something was found in the 7=05-07 warrants. Wish we could have seen them today. I still have a ray of hope that those are being held because there has been an indictment. Maybe they found what was missing in that warrant. [/*]

June, I don't begrudge you your ray of hope. Whoever killed Michelle has had some degree of luck, or there would have been an arrest by now. As tight as the timeline is for Jason, it's do-able. As for the gas, cash doesn't leave a record, and neither do gas cans.

I'd like to see the July 07 warrants, too. But I'm still trying to process the probable cause in the ones that were unsealed today. They tell me first of all, that LE has been working this case diligently, despite comments to the contrary. And they tell me second of all, that there is some d*mning evidence against Jason. Whether or not he's guilty, it really doesn't look good right now, IMO.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser
I now see why Spivey and Blackwell told me at the Lady bug event 5/08....."Oh, yes, there WILL BE a trial" :) [/*]


Don't you need an arrest first?

Kat

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


June, the timeline is there and easy to fit into the known times
Guess you forgot
Do I need to repost all the mileage and gas details again :rolleyes: [/*]Gee maybe you should- just kidding-not worth your effort.:D

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


That is an understatement :)

Yes, Kat has gone on and on about this being a cold case.
Shows how much she knows :D [/*]



These search warrants are 6 months old..they are not new.
This case is almost 2 years old....
C will be graduating from college at this rate..


I never claimed to know anyone on the inside, I am a complete outsider..

:)

Kat

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by june1943


Nurse for 32 years. Wanna bet? [/*]I am one longer-means nothing- re: your expertise in DNA- different field .

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


Eyes stuck ?

June, you and Kat need to understand this is just a small part of what the cops have on JLY. Surely you don't think PC for SW's is all they have ?

Yep, there is much more to their case.
When he is cuffed, it will be a slam dunk...so much so, I bet he cops a plea to avoid death. [/*]


The s/w's are just a small part that go with the big part, the huge part, the part where they can arrest Jason any second now.

I got that part.

:)

Kat

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


Really, a retired LPN knows about DNA :confused: [/*]Oh so true :lol:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by kingcole


Sorry. You've got that wrong.
Washed, not stained.
Shaken, not stirred.

Kingcole [/*]

Thank you, KC..
That is what I thought you said..

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


All that talk about how to wash and seal a deck ?

Just curious, Jason does not talk to anyone (including Ma pat) about the murder or evidence they may have.

How would you know what he did to his deck :confused: [/*]



I guess if there was any slam dunking today, King Cole just did it, and June scooped the warrants for us.

Thanxx to both.

Nothing in the warrants should give anyone false hope either way, they merely showed reasons of what they were looking for...

What it means and what they actually found are still unknown..

Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


Foot bones don't shrink June.
I reckon they forgot to mention that in LPN school :D [/*]

I thought that everyone knew that your foot is the same size as the distance from your inner elbow to your wrist. (Put your heel inside your elbow, your toes end at your wrist.) Go ahead and try it. You know you want to.

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


Just curious Kat, what is your motive for supporting JLY with such blind passion ?

I think I know, just can't say it if I want to continue posting. [/*]They are female haters-all too common-even though they are female.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by lonetraveler


==============================================
ITA, very valuable key pieces of evidence. Key card only used twice, once entering and once upon leaving the hotel the next day, but video proves he left the room and walked toward the side exit about midnight. So, his first exit from the room wasn't clocked on the key and the second time he entered the room is also not clocked on the key. Surely, some of you who think he did not commit this crime have doubts at this time??? [/*]

Hi Lonetraveler,

NOPE!

They have an answer for everything, including IF he confessed on tape.


BTB, how many other men's wives and un-born children were SLAIN that night? I mean the ones that stayed in THAT hotel? WHO jammed that rock HOME for a possible alibi?? Why haven't we heard about them?

Good Grief!

MOO!

Swabby

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by june1943


No actually I saw the bad stuff. ICU RN critical care for almost 15 years of my career. One of my daughters is in Columbia SC now doing same thing. Go read up on DNA its all about skin cells ,honest. [/*]

That still does not make you a forensics expert. I'm sure they can differentiate between normal skin cells and recent dna left as the result of a person touching something. I HOPE they are better trained in this area than a nurse!!!

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


Just curious Kat, what is your motive for supporting JLY with such blind passion ?

I think I know, just can't say it if I want to continue posting. [/*]



You know what?

If I thought for one second Jason was guilty, and they had all this evidence you claim they have, and they still were not arresting him , I would be upset too.

No matter who claims time is not of the essence here, is, very wrong.

Time does matter.

For whoever killed Michelle, time needs to end.

I am defending Jason because I don't believe all the things that were posted about him here were true.

I would defend anyone who were accused of such a thing, if I did not have any hard facts or real evidence in front of me.

Scott Peterson was guilty from the get~go, there was never a doubt.
Rae Carruth should have received Murder One.

I don't spend my time defending men who kill.
There is something more to this case, and I won't be at all surprised if something else should come to light soon.

It has nothing to do with being a Jason fan.

I just don't believe he is capable of this crime.

Even after the s/w's.

Moreso after the s/w's.

Hope this helps.

Kat

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by Barbara2


That still does not make you a forensics expert. I'm sure they can differentiate between normal skin cells and recent dna left as the result of a person touching something. I HOPE they are better trained in this area than a nurse!!! [/*]I hope so too & I'm an RN. She's having pipe dreams!!!!!!

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Schatzie
They are female haters-all too common-even though they are female. [/*]


:confused:

Only thing I hate are the Dallas Cowboys.

Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by june1943


There is no way to date DNA as of this time. [/*]

Unless it is on top of blood and they CAN date when the blood was left. IMO

[Jules2]

Originally posted by june1943


Do you personally know any one that has lost a lot of weight? If you do ring them up , I bet you they wear a smaller shoe. Bones don't shrink but feet get fat just like the rest of the body. My friends body bones didn't shrink either but she went down 6 dress sizes. Geez did you think MF's body bones shrank? That was fat she lost not bone mass. [/*]


I personally do know someone who lost a lot of weight. Her shoes are still the same size.

The thickness of the foot will change if the person had "chubby" feet but bones don't shrink. The distance from toe to heel won't change. Completely impossible. In fact our feet tend to become larger as we age due to them becoming flatter from extra carried weight or from wearing shoes with poor support or walking barefoot a lot over the years.

They don't magically shrink back just because the extra pounds were lost.


Just my opinion, of course.

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


Foot bones don't shrink June.
I reckon they forgot to mention that in LPN school :D [/*]Width changes -not length.OMG what else will she say?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


<snipped>
I just don't believe he is capable of this crime.

Even after the s/w's.

Moreso after the s/w's.

Hope this helps.

Kat [/*]

I don't know how you can read the probable cause in those warrants and come to that conclusion. Even if you dismiss the clothing evidence and shoe evidence and the sighting of the SUV at the house in the early morning hours, how do you explain the change of clothes? Why did he change into the dark shirt (which cannot be found) right after checking into the hotel?

[5swab5]

Originally posted by june1943


There is no way to date DNA as of this time. [/*]

((COUGH))

THAT my friend is a distinction, without a difference.

MURDERERS, need to quit hiding behind lawyers and their Mommies.

DO The Crime, DO THE TIME!

Poor, Poor Cassidy!

MOO

Swabby

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by june1943


You are an RN and you are saying they can tell if DNA was left on a drawer last week or today? If that is the case then things sure have developed fast. You might also study skin cells. They are totally DNA and you haven't said a word about them. [/*]You did not understand my post-as yours makes no sense. Now I understand why you are confused re: another NC murder.

[bookie]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Hi Lonetraveler,

NOPE!

They have an answer for everything, including IF he confessed on tape.


BTB, how many other men's wives and un-born children were SLAIN that night? I mean the ones that stayed in THAT hotel? WHO jammed that rock HOME for a possible alibi?? Why haven't we heard about them?

Good Grief!

MOO!

Swabby [/*]


Most hotels have camera's aimed at the exit doors (for security reasons) so why wasn't Jason seen putting the rock in the door? It could have been an employee sneaking out for a smoke break?

[bookie]

Kat, could you please pm me a link to the actual s/w's? The article I read didn't have a link to it.

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by Trinity


Why do you guys always run away when confronted with your posts? [/*] :beer:

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I don't know how you can read the probable cause in those warrants and come to that conclusion. Even if you dismiss the clothing evidence and shoe evidence and the sighting of the SUV at the house in the early morning hours, how do you explain the change of clothes? Why did he change into the dark shirt (which cannot be found) right after checking into the hotel? [/*]

Hi Barbara,

Don't hold your breath.

NO answers, Jason's WORST nightmare, the truth has ben laid out.

Yet, there are still some that can NOT read.

Sad, but true!

MOO

Swabby

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by agathachristie


:beer:

Lord have mercy on us all ! Now we're hearing ICU critical care.:biggrin:

Surely doubt it, IMO Agatha Christie RN.

I'm awaiting the resident multi-degreed mega poster with multiple nics to weigh in on this.

I'm sure all know of whom I speak. [/*]Yes to your last sentence. :seeya:

[5swab5]

Originally posted by bookie



Most hotels have camera's aimed at the exit doors (for security reasons) so why wasn't Jason seen putting the rock in the door? It could have been an employee sneaking out for a smoke break? [/*]


OK,

Fair enough.

Jason MIGHT have left early to get to an appointment...yet only drive HALF way.
Jason was still LATE for that apt.

Jason MIGHT have not been messing around on his wife.
Jason MIGHT have had the bad luck to be in the ONLY hotel in the EASTERN part of the US, on that fateful day.....when there was a rock....where it shouldn't have been.

Are you forgetting that a baby was also killed in the process?

JUSTICE for RYLAN!

MOO

Swabby

RIP Michelle!

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC


If Jason confessed you would still come up with an excuse.

You need to learn to look at things with your eyes and your brain so that you can be realistic. Leave your idealistic heart out of it. [/*] :beer:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by agathachristie


:eek: [/*]

I wondered about that one myself but decided it was too far out there. I would NEVER think of opening the door of another guest at a hotel. Can you imagine if she peeked her head in your room???? I think that was a statement made to make a point that can't be made. IMO.

[bookie]

Originally posted by 5swab5



OK,

Fair enough.

Jason MIGHT have left early to get to an appointment...yet only drive HALF way.
Jason was still LATE for that apt.

Jason MIGHT have not been messing around on his wife.
Jason MIGHT have had the bad luck to be in the ONLY hotel in the EASTERN part of the US, on that fateful day.....when there was a rock....where it shouldn't have been.

Are you forgetting that a baby was also killed in the process?

JUSTICE for RYLAN!

MOO

Swabby

RIP Michelle! [/*]


Hate to burst your bubble but that hotel isn't the only one that has ever had a door propped open. I'd bet MANY other hotels in the EASTERN part of the US, as well as the western, northern and southern parts had doors propped open on that very day/night.

Reading the s/w there was a camera aimed at that door so again.....why didn't it show Jason propping the door open? The police have had a copy of that video since a month after the murder. If he was seen on that video propping open the door that information would be in the s/w.


"The exit door where this security camera is located is the same door that hotel employees discovered a rock that had been placed in the door jam."

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Cardinal


June, you're exactly right. He HAD to have gone back into his room at some point. Problem is, he didn't use his keycard. I can see someone setting the safety latch to step outside for a few minutes. I've done that myself. But I wouldn't leave my room unsecured if it weren't within view AND go to the trouble of finding a rock to keep the outside door from latching. The key card is NOT that much trouble.

JMO [/*]

How is the fact he only used his keycard once a Problem? There's no video of Jason leaving the hotel, no evidence he's the one who placed the rock in the door but even if he had, that's no biggie, imo. I've done the same thing myself many times: Check in first to get my room key, then move my car closer to my room and retrieve my stuff from the car. I totally disagree that a keycard isn't much trouble. It certainly is if your hands are full. If he left his room unsecured while he went to his car to gather his belongings, what is the big deal? What did he have in the room that was going to get stolen?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Trinity
One of the most shocking things in the warrants that I found was JY hanging up on the investigators the day Michelle was found murdered.

Why would an innocent man refuse to speak with LE and hang up on them? [/*]

His stepfather told him to, maybe.

I want to know how that shirt that he was seen in at the hotel managed to disappear.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Trinity


Well, you can argue about the propped door all you want, but Jason was seen arriving and leaving and his key card was never used again. The maid was the next person to enter the room. [/*]


Then how did his luggage get back IN his vehicle if he didn't enter the room again? And why didn't the police mention that Jason was never SEEN again? Because they would have lost probable cause if they'd been honest?

[bookie]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


There is not a separate video recorder for each camera. Other than the front desk, the others record randomly. They were lucky to get the one of him exiting in the dark pull over.

How do I know ? I was there and was told by the desk clerk ;) [/*]


There were 14 cameras in that hotel. They all record video, not just the front desk camera.

Sorry but you claiming that a clerk told you doesn't prove a thing to me. I could say anyone told me something.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by bookie



Hate to burst your bubble but that hotel isn't the only one that has ever had a door propped open. I'd bet MANY other hotels in the EASTERN part of the US, as well as the western, northern and southern parts had doors propped open on that very day/night.

Reading the s/w there was a camera aimed at that door so again.....why didn't it show Jason propping the door open? The police have had a copy of that video since a month after the murder. If he was seen on that video propping open the door that information would be in the s/w.


"The exit door where this security camera is located is the same door that hotel employees discovered a rock that had been placed in the door jam." [/*]

The s/w is coyly written, imvho. There is video showing Jason near the door but it doesn't capture him leaving, returning or propping the rock in the door? GMAB. And they see him in a video wearing a different shirt yet wait over a year to go look for the shirt? Is this being investigated by Keystone Cops? This would be funny if it weren't so tragic.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


I'll tell you the big deal....the clothing at 11:59 was missing from his luggage . Please try to explain that little fact [/*]

He put the shirt back on for the return trip to Raleigh.

They waited over a year to go looking for the clothing. Please explain that little fact.:rolleyes:

[bookie]

Originally posted by Celiarun


The s/w is coyly written, imvho. There is video showing Jason near the door but it doesn't capture him leaving, returning or propping the rock in the door? GMAB. And they see him in a video wearing a different shirt yet wait over a year to go look for the shirt? Is this being investigated by Keystone Cops? This would be funny if it weren't so tragic. [/*]


I agree.

If I read the s/w right I believe I may have found the reason for the s/w served on his sister's home. According to his mother they removed the belongings from the home and the police wanted another look at the bedroom furniture to look for dna or prints.


"In reviewing the photographs and video from the scene and seeing the close proximity of the furniture, one can see the possibility that additional latent and trace evidence may still be contained in or on the surface of the furniture. If latent and/or trace evidence remains then there still exist a possibility that they can be collected and analyzed."

[bookie]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


There were 14 cameras with 2 recorders.
That means the from desk is always recording and the other 13 cameras rotate and record on an interval.

Sorry, but you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. I also could care less if I proved anything to you or not. [/*]


Unlike you I actually worked in the hotel industry. I don't need rumors posted by an anonymous person on a message board.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser





Go back and read what Ma pat said he was wearing...a shirt and tie. Also, the cops saw Jason when he arrived in Fuquay and noted what he was wearing.

That shirt is unaccounted for period. [/*]



And this proves what? He changed clothes after he arrived at his mothers house and that proves murder???? Sorry I had to snip out the laughing guy so that they could be used where appropriate....right here.


:lol: :lol:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I don't know how you can read the probable cause in those warrants and come to that conclusion. Even if you dismiss the clothing evidence and shoe evidence and the sighting of the SUV at the house in the early morning hours, how do you explain the change of clothes? Why did he change into the dark shirt (which cannot be found) right after checking into the hotel? [/*]

Please :read: more carefully. There was a sighting of a light-colored SUV at the house. Jason drove a white SUV, his wife drove a light-colored SUV.

Why does there need to be an explanation for changing his shirt after he arrived at the hotel? What about it is evidence he killed his wife? Nothing. That's why the Judge released the warrants to the public, imvho.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


I'll tell you the big deal....the clothing at 11:59 was missing from his luggage . Please try to explain that little fact [/*]

Hi Bud and Everyone!

I think those clothes might have been disposed of after Michelle was murdered, while en route back to the hotel. I think JY showered and changed his clothes and shoes in the house. That would also explain the two different shoe prints.

I've always felt JY put something in the door jamb so he wouldn't have to use the key card, in an attempt to have it believed he remained in his room all night.

I think an indictment and arrest will follow soon.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Trinity


:confused:

He just posted what the hotel staff told him. I don't understand why that is so upsetting to you. No one is telling you to believe it. [/*]


What I want to know is where is the outrage about unfounded "inside info" being posted like what was posted last night? You sure didn't mind harassing June about what she said she heard. It's suddenly accepted? Oh wait....I forgot that it's coming from a JDI and it perfectly fine. :rolleyes:

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by Trinity


:confused:

He just posted what the hotel staff told him. I don't understand why that is so upsetting to you. No one is telling you to believe it. [/*]Nature of the beast.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser



:lol: :lol:

Go back and read what Ma pat said he was wearing...a shirt and tie. Also, the cops saw Jason when he arrived in Fuquay and noted what he was wearing.

That shirt is unaccounted for period. [/*]

That's what happens when cops wait over a year to go look for something.

His mother described what he was wearing when he arrived in Brevard. Where does it state in the search warrant that cops saw Jason when he arrived in Fuguay and noted what he was wearing?

[bookie]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


Go back and read the SW's bookie

You have a whole bunch to try to understand. ;) [/*]


I read it. I just left out the twisted logic you seem to be using.


"When Jason Young arrived in Brevard in the late afternoon of November 3rd, 2006, between 3:30 pm and 4:00 pm according to Jason Young's mother, Pat Young, he was wearing a white shirt and a tie. Pat Young said that her son exited his vehicle and had his jacket slung over his shoulder."


This was AFTER Michelle had been found murdered. The police state NOTHING in the s/w about what Jason was wearing when he arrived at Meredith's house. They also don't mention his return to the hotel even though we know he DID return because his luggage was found in his vehicle.

Apparently the police found nothing suspicious about the clothing he was wearing after the murder but if you want to pretend it's important go for it.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


You and your sidekick bookie need to understand the facts before you start spouting off total crap.

Michelle's Lexus was in the GARAGE, so that leaves the killer driving a 'light colored SUV' (BTw, MF drove a dark Honda ;) )

. [/*]

My aren't you the kettle screaming black. Facts aren't your strong suit, imvho.

Michelle's car keys were in the house. The killer certainly didn't mind turning on all the inside and outside lights. The killer may have decided to take Michelle's car for a spin to dispose of items such as the murder weapon, clothes, etc.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Trinity


I didn't harass June! I said if you chose to believe June, you have to believe all info posted by insiders. You can't pick and choose which insiders to believe depending which side of the fence you are on. You completely misunderstood. [/*]


I disagree. I saw harassment for a couple of hours last night.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


Jason was in MF's house.
MF invited the cops in her house
The cops , as well as MF and 3 of his buds observed what he was wearing when he arrived.

The shirt in the video is missing cause it ended up covered in blood and he threw it in a dumpster. [/*]

Where does it state these facts in the search warrant? Oh. wait. it doesn't.

You just seem to make it up as you go along. :rolleyes:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by bookie



I read it. I just left out the twisted logic you seem to be using.


"When Jason Young arrived in Brevard in the late afternoon of November 3rd, 2006, between 3:30 pm and 4:00 pm according to Jason Young's mother, Pat Young, he was wearing a white shirt and a tie. Pat Young said that her son exited his vehicle and had his jacket slung over his shoulder."


This was AFTER Michelle had been found murdered. The police state NOTHING in the s/w about what Jason was wearing when he arrived at Meredith's house. They also don't mention his return to the hotel even though we know he DID return because his luggage was found in his vehicle.

Apparently the police found nothing suspicious about the clothing he was wearing after the murder but if you want to pretend it's important go for it. [/*]

Bravo for stating the obvious. :beer:

[bookie]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Where does it state these facts in the search warrant? Oh. wait. it doesn't.

You just seem to make it up as you go along. :rolleyes: [/*]


It's moot anyway. He arrived at his mother's house after the murder and he arrived at Merediths even longer after the murder. In between being seen on the video wearing a sweater and a white shirt and tie at his mother's he attended a meeting. A lot of salesmen wear white shirts and ties to meetings. And most people change clothes when they wake up. It proves absolutely nothing.

[MYMomma]

WOW! Just wow!
I am amazed at the evidence in the sw. I've followed this case since day one by reading along here. I have to say it makes me a bit angry that there was this much evidence, and no charges were brought ages ago. I suppose LE wants an airtight case. But frankly, it seems cases have won convictions with far less.
I've never posted here before (too much nasty bickering for me), but this information was just shocking in what it reaveled!
I just started reading, but does anyone here know offhand how European sizing differs from U.S. sizing? FWIW, my husband wears an 11 normally, but has shoes in one size up and two down...it depends upon the style ( workboots, dress, atheletic, etc.).
I doubt I post again, but kudos to ALL the posters on this thread who have stuck with Michelles case for so long. She seemed like a lovely person who is deserving of such devotion!

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Trinity


And didn't the retired teacher mention that someone showered or there was blood in the shower or something to that effect? Sorry, I'm not real positive about this, just something I vaguely remember. [/*]

If LE checked the shower drain, most of the blood would have been Michelle's, IMO.

I can't see JY walking out of the house, and into his vehicle, covered in blood. That's why I've always believed he showered and changed his clothes and shoes before he left.

I'm not surprised by this because I've always felt LE had significant evidence, but were building a solid case against JY; one which the DA feels comfortable with in winning a conviction.

Although justice was delayed, I wholeheartedly believe it will not be denied Michelle, her baby boy, and all who love them.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Trinity


LE are looking for the clothes he wore the night before. [/*]


That was my point. He wasn't wearing the clothes from the night before so what he was wearing at his mother's house and Meredith's house is moot.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Trinity


ITA, shoe sizes can change, depending on style, make, etc.......


O/T, Mymomma and HeyPaula, what happened to the Caylee thread? [/*]

Coffee break due to going O/T.

Greta is going to talk about Michelle's case, following this break!!

[bookie]

Originally posted by Trinity


ITA. But I didn't think anyone was arguing that, just where are the clothes he wore the night before.

GREATA IS COVERING THE MICHELLE YOUNG CASE NEXT!! [/*]


Bud is arguing that. Why else is he trying to make a big deal about what Jason was wearing when he got to Meredith's house.

[PlainJane]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


It is nothing but a game for her Tiny :rolleyes: [/*]

Dude, you're the one who called all this "fun". :rolleyes:

[bookie]

Originally posted by Trinity


Unless I am missing something, I thought thats all Bud was asking as well.

:shrug: [/*]



You missed something.


Originally posted by Bud Wiser





Go back and read what Ma pat said he was wearing...a shirt and tie. Also, the cops saw Jason when he arrived in Fuquay and noted what he was wearing.

That shirt is unaccounted for period.


Bud is trying to make an issue out of what Jason was wearing when he arrived at his mom's house and later at Meredith's house.

[PlainJane]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser
I hate to say it, but after all this fun, the evidential arrest will somehow be anticlimactic. [/*]


Please don't be too upset if the Fishers continue to hope for an arrest, even if it is anticlimactic for you.

barf

[bookie]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Correct. Where is the dark shirt he was seen wearing on the hotel video? Where is it? [/*]


That shirt could be anywhere and have nothing to do with this case.

Michelle had defensive wounds but Jason had not a single scrath on him. A bloody size 10 shoe print was found on a pillow in the room, Jason wears a 12. It would be easy to wear a shoe size larger but not easy to wear one 2 sizes too small.

That is evidence that points to innocence. Read back on the thread and you'll see where someone posted that that very issue caused a hung jury or ng verdict in a case that person was a juror on.

[PlainJane]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser
Look who rolled out of the woodwork, good ol
PlainJane.

As I recall, this is NOT about YOU.

Am I right ? [/*]

It's not about you, either, pal. I didn't need to roll out of the woodwork; I've been here all along. But without any actual news, I remained on my fence and felt no need to enter the fray. Same ol', same ol', no?

[bookie]

Originally posted by Trinity


Sigh...........

I will let Bud explain. Maybe you will understand better if it comes directly from him. [/*]


I don't need Bud to explain anything. It's clear as day that he is trying to make an issue out of what Jason was wearing AFTER the murder. Jason attended a meeting that morning. There is NO reason to think he'd be wearing anything other then a white shirt (or any color really) and a tie to that meeting. Bringing up what he was wearing the next day is moot.