Michelle Young.(New)..8.18.08 SW Results

[bookie]

Originally posted by agathachristie


How do you know he didn't have a single scratch on him? [/*]


Because he submitted to the NTIO and if he'd had signs of a fight on him that would have 1) resulted in an arrest 2) been listed in the s/w applications.

[bookie]

Originally posted by agathachristie


So where is the dark shirt he was seen wearing on the hotel video at midnight the night his wife was murdered? [/*]


Unlike Bud I don't claim to go around questioning people involved in this case so I have no way of knowing where the shirt is. The better question is WHY did the police wait so long to look for it?

[on the go]

Originally posted by bookie



Unlike Bud I don't claim to go around questioning people involved in this case so I have no way of knowing where the shirt is. The better question is WHY did the police wait so long to look for it? [/*]

How long did they wait?

[bookie]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


Could be anywhere is right.
The cops think it has a lot to do with the case. [/*]


It could have been left in the hotel room. Hmmm wonder if the police bothered to check the hotel lost and found.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


Do you honesly think the cops thought they would find a bloody shirt in Brevard :lol:

They saw the video and knew there was a missing shirt the first week of the murder. [/*]


I don't pretend to know what anyone involved thinks.

[PlainJane]

Originally posted by Cardinal


The shirt and the key card access records are two of the most significant pieces of probable cause in the warrants, IMO. [/*]

I agree. I was certain Jason had the unfortunate experience of being asleep hours away when his wife was murdered. That just doesn't seem to be the case. :(

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by bookie
Kat, could you please pm me a link to the actual s/w's? The article I read didn't have a link to it. [/*]


Sorry, Bookie, watching the game.

Did you get the link yet, it is on the WRAL page.

Did anyone just watch Greta?

She covered the Michelle Young case tonite..

Segment was called "New Clues"

Reporter was Gurnal Scott.

They said Michelle was strangled.

:confused:

Kat

[bookie]

The bottom line is that if this "evidence" was really evidence and incriminated Jason he would have been in jail long ago. The fact that the cops omitted the fact that Jason returned to his hotel room screams reasonable doubt. IMO they know there wasn't enough time for him to go back and kill Michelle so they left out pertinent information when they asked for the s/w.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Sorry, Bookie, watching the game.

Did you get the link yet, it is on the WRAL page.

Did anyone just watch Greta?

She covered the Michelle Young case tonite..

Segment was called "New Clues"

Reporter was Gurnal Scott.

They said Michelle was strangled.

:confused:

Kat [/*]


Yes I got the link but didn't watch Greta.

I posted a ways back that I think I figured out what the s/w at Jason's sister's house was about. I think the police took swabs from the bedroon furniture that his family removed from the home.

[on the go]

Originally posted by bookie
The bottom line is that if this "evidence" was really evidence and incriminated Jason he would have been in jail long ago. The fact that the cops omitted the fact that Jason returned to his hotel room screams reasonable doubt. IMO they know there wasn't enough time for him to go back and kill Michelle so they left out pertinent information when they asked for the s/w. [/*]

how do you know he returned to the hotel?

[bookie]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


bookie, you are obviously not very knowledgeable about this case period. [/*]


Too bad you didn't show that that's just your opinion. A wrong opinion at that.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


There is not a separate video recorder for each camera. Other than the front desk, the others record randomly. They were lucky to get the one of him exiting in the dark pull over.

How do I know ? I was there and was told by the desk clerk ;) [/*]


14 cameras and that is the only shots they got?

I really don't care where you were, I know you also like to pretend you are a cop too, right RPD?

Do you carry a fake badge?
How about a pretend siren?
:)
Kat

[bookie]

Originally posted by on the go


how do you know he returned to the hotel? [/*]


Because his luggage was in his vehicle and because the police never stated that he didn't return to the hotel. If he hadn't returned that would have been mentioned in the s/w. That would have guaranteed the judge would sign the s/w application.

[bookie]

Originally posted by agathachristie


My assessment is that Bud doesn't claim to do those things, he DOES those things. I , for one , appreciate his input , but can understand why you and many others find him so threatening.

And I agree. I don't understand why it took LE so long to look for the shirt.

MOO Aggie [/*]


I don't find Bud threatening. I find him hilarious.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


Hey Paula

Good to see you again.
Yes, I too believe we will see an arrest very soon .
The cops obviously have MUCH more than they showed in these SW's. [/*]


It doesn't sound like that have much more to me...

It only took them 13 months later to go back to the home to look at the deck...

:shrug:

Kat

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Celiarun


That's what happens when cops wait over a year to go look for something.

Where does it state in the search warrant that cops saw Jason when he arrived in Fuguay and noted what he was wearing? [/*]

SNooooRT!


His mother described what he was wearing when he arrived in Brevard.[/*]

Well, there's a credible source.

JMO

Swabby

[bookie]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Really ? I don't believe you. Why all the rants about his credibility ? Admit it, he gets under your skin.:biggrin:

MOO Aggie [/*]



Not because of what he says but because of the way anyone who thinks Jason is innocent is treated if they post inside info. I find the hypocricy disgusting.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Trinity


Swabby, explain to me why MA PAT, gave LE a list of what was missing in the house? How the He77 would she know? Or did she simply pass a list on from JY? I would think Meredith would have been much more reliable since she seems to have been in the house and much closer to Michelle than Ma Pat. [/*]


Maybe they were items she had given them? They packed the house up and moved everything. She's be in a position to know if things she had given them were missing.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Trinity


The only inside info I have seen is Junes and sure don't remember Bud posting about it.

:shrug: [/*]


Bud posted what he claims is inside info tonight. Remember his post about the hotel clerk and the cameras? And I was talking about how ALL JDI's treat anyone who believes Jason is innocent and posts inside info, not Bud specifically. June has been villified over her post about an indictment even though she also posted that it might be about the other murdered PE employee.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Trinity


But what about the things she didn't give them? Shouldn't there have been someone close to Michelle to make that determination? [/*]


Do you know there wasn't? Or are you assuming there was no input from Michelles family?

[bookie]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


June is vilified because she does not tell the truth...plain and simple [/*]


And since there is NO corroboration of your info I choose to believe it's not truthful. It works both ways.

[PlainJane]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


Fair enough

Please refresh my memory on who / what / when was posted here by JII "insiders"

PLEASE don't include June in your answer, as it is a proven fact she is not truthful. [/*]

I'm pretty sure JTF, or another JII "insider," posted two years ago that the drawers from the jewelry box were missing. After all the information you've leaked here - did you every bother to corroborate that information? It was denied time and again by the JDIs. Wow - Turns out it's true.

So, not only the JIIs want to ignore facts that don't fit into their theories.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Trinity


Her post has been reported to CW. It was a direct violation of the TOS. [/*]

CW knows all about RPD..and how he mis~repped himself here.
She has banned him many, many times.

Kat

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by bookie




Not because of what he says but because of the way anyone who thinks Jason is innocent is treated if they post inside info. I find the hypocricy disgusting. [/*]

Do you honestly think JY is innocent after reading the recently released search warrants, what LE discovered and the evidence collected including JY's DNA blood on the wall, etc?

I recall reading posts stating if JY's prints in blood were at the crime scene, the posters would consider that to be damning evidence against him.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Do you honestly think JY is innocent after reading the recently released search warrants, what LE discovered and the evidence collected including JY's DNA blood on the wall, etc?

I recall reading posts stating if JY's prints in blood were at the crime scene, the posters would consider that to be damning evidence against him. [/*]


Jason's DNA blood on the wall? It didn't say his dna blood was on the wall. It said DNA that was surrounded by what appeared to be blood spatter and was described as a possible PRINT. Why misrepresent what was in the s/w?


"One DNA swab was collected from an area sixteen inches from the floor and seven inches from the frame of the door to Jason Young's closet. The area, which was in close proximity to the victim and surrounded by what appeared to be blood splatter, was described as a possible print."

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



I started the thread.
June scooped the warrants..

What have you done for the Board lately?
Besides try to shut it down.?


Kat [/*]

Exactly. Nothing but sarcasm in his posts. Very rude person.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Trinity


And now we know what happened to the jewely, IMO, Jason staged a robbery.

Easy peasy. [/*]


The fact that you had to put IMO in there proves "we" don't know what happened to the jewelry.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Trinity


Swabby, explain to me why MA PAT, gave LE a list of what was missing in the house? How the He77 would she know? Or did she simply pass a list on from JY? I would think Meredith would have been much more reliable since she seems to have been in the house and much closer to Michelle than Ma Pat. [/*]

Trinity,

I wish I could answer that.

Truthfully, I am in a tail-spin. I knew for several months...that Jason was NOT interested in talking to the investigators. But after reading today..I am flabbergasted!
His wife is murdered, his child is still in Raleigh AND he HANGS UP on LE!

What a guy.

Poor, Poor Michelle!

RIP Rylan.

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Trinity


And now we know what happened to the jewely, IMO, Jason staged a robbery.

Easy peasy. [/*]

SO, he staged a robbery, but forgot to break a window, or kick open a door, or anything else to make it look like one.

Great planning, it's all in the little details.

Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by bookie



Jason's DNA blood on the wall? It didn't say his dna blood was on the wall. It said DNA that was surrounded by what appeared to be blood spatter and was described as a possible PRINT. Why misrepresent what was in the s/w?


"One DNA swab was collected from an area sixteen inches from the floor and seven inches from the frame of the door to Jason Young's closet. The area, which was in close proximity to the victim and surrounded by what appeared to be blood splatter, was described as a possible print." [/*]

It mentions later in some of the warrants something about "Jason's bloodstain." Very misleading the way the warrants are written. For the DA to admit that the search warrants weren't returned in a timely fashion due to "inadvertence" well, that just shows the incompetence of this investigation. It's a real shame, imvho.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Trinity



Exactly. IMO, he staged a robbery.

If I had to base an opinion on what I have seen, especially when Ma Pat said JY left a wallet in the closet containing 500.00, that was stolen as well, I'd have to go with JY staging a robbery. [/*]



"that they customarily used bank and/or credit cards for most if not all purchases."

That was said by police after reviewing their finances. Leaving a wallet with cash in it at home doesn't suggest staging. It suggests someone who didn't carry cash for whatever reason.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Trinity



"Jay"
:lol:

Be mad at LE Kat, they are the ones trying to get him convicted, and it looks like its gonna happen too. [/*]


Hey, if I was a JDI and it was almost 2 years later, I can understand your frustration.

It took 4 long grueling months to get Scott Peterson, I thought it would never end.

Laci's body was found in a bay after months and months, and Michelle' body was found in her home the next day..

Hmm, which case should have been easier to solve and bring to justice.?

:shrug:
Kat

[bookie]

Originally posted by Alli4Steeler


Well, one thing is for sure...Jason does not have possession of it OR the dark colored pull over he was filmed wearing at the Hampton Inn after he was filmed checking in in something different. Or the Hush puppy shoes.

I would like to know what Jason was doing in a fresh change of clothes at almost midnight heading toward the exit of the HI in Podunk Hillsville Va?

We "heard" he stopped in Hillsville because he was tired.

We "heard" he left for the business trip the night before so he would be fresh for his meeting and not be rushed and have to start his drive so early in the morning.

So why wasn't he in his room getting his rest?

Why didn't he just drive on closer to Clintwood?

I find that odd.

IMHO [/*]


What I find odd is that the police didn't mention how long he was gone. I'm betting it's because he wasn't gone long enough to commit a murder at home.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Trinity


Sorry Bookie, I don't know any man who leaves for a business trip and leaves his wallet at home.

Wait, make that leaves the HOUSE without his wallet. [/*]


Could you please point out where the s/w said it was Jason's only wallet because all I see is that is says it was in a new wallet.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Alli4Steeler


Well, we do know that his key card was not swiped at his room door until the next day --- by the maid.

This makes me think he was gone for good- never came back to Hillsville. [/*]


Except that his luggage was found in his vehicle the next day. Don't you think the police would have mentioned him being on video leaving the hotel carrying his luggage shortly after checking in? They also would have mentioned if he'd checked in without luggage.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Trinity


I don't know any guys who have two wallets either. [/*]


I wonder how I knew that was going to be your answer. :rolleyes:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


SO, he staged a robbery, but forgot to break a window, or kick open a door, or anything else to make it look like one.

Great planning, it's all in the little details.

Kat [/*]

He staged a robbery, forgot to make it look like a robbery and also left a bloody footprint of his own shoe on a pillow where cops would be sure to see it.....and coincidently, the only sister admitted to touching a pillow.

Sounds more like somebody was trying to set him up, imo.

[PlainJane]

Originally posted by bookie




"that they customarily used bank and/or credit cards for most if not all purchases."

That was said by police after reviewing their finances. Leaving a wallet with cash in it at home doesn't suggest staging. It suggests someone who didn't carry cash for whatever reason. [/*]

Who's to say there was really even a wallet? Much less one full of cash? Isn't this from a list of "missing" items provided by Jason?

[bookie]

Originally posted by Trinity


Because it makes sense.

Do you know any guys who have two wallets? [/*]


Yes I do. Several in fact. I know someone who wears a long one with a chain for work and a smaller one when he goes out. Women aren't the only ones who like different styles.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego

That is an excellent question. According to the SW they had seen the video at the Hotel on 11/4/2006 and had his vehicle and all the luggage in it in their possession at that time.

But they wait over a year to go looking for the shirt?

:confused: [/*]

And, 13 months to go back to the home to get some measurements...this time with a real ruler.

:rolleyes:

Kat

[bookie]

Originally posted by PlainJane


Who's to say there was really even a wallet? Much less one full of cash? Isn't this from a list of "missing" items provided by Jason? [/*]



No it was provided by his mom. The money in the wallet is money she says she paid him back for the trip they went on. Since I don't think his entire family is involved with or are covering up Michelle's murder I have no reason not to believe her.

[PlainJane]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


$500 cash from Mommy tucked away in the closet ?
He could not even afford to fix the heater or garage door.
What was $500 doing in the closet ? [/*]

to be accurate, "they" couldn't afford to fix the heater or garage door... if you believe those rumors.

As for the cash, I don't believe there was any.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Alli4Steeler


How do you know what luggage he took in?

He could have checked in with an overnight bag that contained the change of clothes in it and left his luggage in the SUV.

The photo of the check in at the HI was hard to make out, but I would not be surprised to see that he had an overnight big with him at check in and not a suitcase.

JMO, of course. [/*]


An overnight bag IS luggage. Again....no mention of him taking ANY luggage, including an overnight bag, out with him when he was seen on video. :rolleyes:

[PlainJane]

Originally posted by bookie




No it was provided by his mom. The money in the wallet is money she says she paid him back for the trip they went on. Since I don't think his entire family is involved with or are covering up Michelle's murder I have no reason not to believe her. [/*]

"No it was provided by his mom."

what is "it" in that sentence? My understanding is his mom gave the list of items missing to police. How would she know there was money in a wallet in his closet (that is missing) unless he told her that? She may have given him cash to pay him back for the CA trip, but she has no way of knowing what he did with it.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by bookie



Yes I do. Several in fact. I know someone who wears a long one with a chain for work and a smaller one when he goes out. Women aren't the only ones who like different styles. [/*]

It's nonsense to try to spin extra cash as something odd or sinister. I know quite a few people including ourselves who stash extra cash in the house for use in an emergency. ATMs don't always work in major power outages, cards can be lost or stolen, etc. It's just common sense...which seems sadly lacking in some, imvho.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


OUCH!

Low Blow!

Last I checked, Heather kicked the whole mess back into Ma Pat's lap.

Jason ONLY has a roof over his head right now, because Cassidy wasn't annihilated along with her Mom and un-born brother. MOO

WHAT man of majority????Loses his wife???Pays the Insurance premiums????Yet after her demise, doesn't Collect??? For almost 2 years???????????

Ans: A GUILTY MAN!

JMO


Swabby [/*]

I know that Heather had a baby, and where Jay lives now is not my concern..

Apparently, the Fishers are not too worried about the safety of C, they never tried for a emergency custody hearing like the Cooper case.

Why is that?

Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by PlainJane


"No it was provided by his mom."

what is "it" in that sentence? My understanding is his mom gave the list of items missing to police. How would she know there was money in a wallet in his closet (that is missing) unless he told her that? She may have given him cash to pay him back for the CA trip, but she has no way of knowing what he did with it. [/*]

His mom told police about the cash in the wallet because she and other family members were the source of the cash. She may also have been the source of the new wallet that contained the cash. She certainly had a good way to know what he did with it...he could have told her.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Trinity



Guys like Jason dont' wear chain wallets. [/*]


Just for the record I wasn't saying Jason used one but it's ridiculous to claim he isn't the type to wear a chain wallet since you don't know him. But that's another moot point. It was an example of the types of wallet someone that I know uses.

[bookie]

Originally posted by Trinity


ITA, but it the extra wallet that is throwing some of us off. [/*]


Why? If it was a new wallet there is nothing suspicious about it. It could have been a gift he didn't like, or one he was saving for when his current one needed to be replaced. There are many reasonable explanations for it.

[Jules2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


It's nonsense to try to spin extra cash as something odd or sinister. I know quite a few people including ourselves who stash extra cash in the house for use in an emergency. ATMs don't always work in major power outages, cards can be lost or stolen, etc. It's just common sense...which seems sadly lacking in some, imvho. [/*]


Actually, what's odd and sinister, is a grown man who just loses his wife compiles a "list" of missing items and gives it to his mother to tell LE, instead of doing it himself.


IMHO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by PlainJane


"No it was provided by his mom."

what is "it" in that sentence? My understanding is his mom gave the list of items missing to police. How would she know there was money in a wallet in his closet (that is missing) unless he told her that? She may have given him cash to pay him back for the CA trip, but she has no way of knowing what he did with it. [/*]

Unless the wallet was a gift and Mrs. Young enclosed the 500 in it as a pay back + present..


Kat

[bookie]

Originally posted by Alli4Steeler


Then it is possible that he checked in empty handed.

At some point he did have to have the change of clothes, though... [/*]


And it's possible he went out, got something from his car and went right back in.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


$500 cash from Mommy tucked away in the closet ?
He could not even afford to fix the heater or garage door.
What was $500 doing in the closet ? [/*]

Where do you get the idea he couldn't afford to fix the heater or garage door? Is this just more of your fiction or do you have a link to a public document that states this?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Celiarun


It mentions later in some of the warrants something about "Jason's bloodstain." Very misleading the way the warrants are written. For the DA to admit that the search warrants weren't returned in a timely fashion due to "inadvertence" well, that just shows the incompetence of this investigation. It's a real shame, imvho. [/*]I agree.

And they didn't bother to test any of the bedroom furniture so they had to go back over a year later and do that.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by bookie



And it's possible he went out, got something from his car and went right back in. [/*]
Yes, that is possible.

I have to wonder when that rock was found and removed. And if the video shows that door propped open.

[PlainJane]

Originally posted by Trinity


ITA, but it the extra wallet that is throwing some of us off. [/*]

That doesn't seem odd to me at all. I assume he got it as a gift and didn't like it (I have donated a couple to Goodwill in the past ten years that my husband received and didn't like). A wallet (like a handbag, IMO) can be a rather personal choice.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by PlainJane


Not a man hater at all. (And that comment adds to the case, how? Pot, kettle again.) I love my husband dearly (of course he's not a creepy internet braggart) and I have many male friends. I think the reason I wanted to wait for evidence before believing Jason killed his wife is that I simply couldn't bring myself to believe that a man would do that to his wife. His Pregnant wife.

I don't think Jason's mother lied about giving him the money. I think she had no idea whether it was "missing". She just repeated what Jason told her, IMO. How could she possibly know whether he had $500 in his closet? I have $400 in my closet right now and I don't think my husband even knows (of course it's his change but he has no idea how much has accumulated). [/*]

Why would Jason lie to his mother about missing money? What would he gain by doing that? His family gave him the money. His family packed up the house to move everything. If your family was packing up your house to sell, wouldn't you alert them to that $400 in the closet? Or would you just keep quiet?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Alli4Steeler


Then it is possible that he checked in empty handed.

At some point he did have to have the change of clothes, though... [/*]How could he check in empty handed and then go to his room and come back out with other clothes on?

[Jules2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Where do you get the idea he couldn't afford to fix the heater or garage door? Is this just more of your fiction or do you have a link to a public document that states this? [/*]


Speaking of fiction......I wonder what ever happened to that poster who insisted that the sealed search warrants were for Meredith. That same poster insisted that Meredith must have stolen the missing jewelry to support her so-called drug habit. I didn't see Meredith's house being searched, or anything related to her at all.

Couldn't provide a link for that fiction either yet the JII's hung on to it like it was the gospel truth. :shrug:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Alli4Steeler


No spin when exactly 500.00 cash just happened to be in Jason's new wallet in his closet and just happened to be missing when Michelle's purse was reported to have been left untouched on the kitchen counter.

And that Jason, who usually used a card to make purchases, would have to purchase gas at some point on his trip with cash so the purchase could not be traced. [/*]

who reported that Michelle's purse was left untouched?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Jules2



Speaking of fiction......I wonder what ever happened to that poster who insisted that the sealed search warrants were for Meredith. That same poster insisted that Meredith must have stolen the missing jewelry to support her so-called drug habit. I didn't see Meredith's house being searched, or anything related to her at all.

Couldn't provide a link for that fiction either yet the JII's hung on to it like it was the gospel truth. :shrug: [/*]

The sealed search warrants haven't been made public. It's very possible that Meredith Fisher was the focus.

[Jules2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


The sealed search warrants haven't been made public. It's very possible that Meredith Fisher was the focus. [/*]


You mean there are super secret, nobody knows anything about except for you, sealed warrants still out?


Link link link....please

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Alli4Steeler


Why does anyone lie?

How can you be sure he wouldn't lie? Just because you know it is wrong and wouldn't do it does not mean he wouldn't. [/*]

Lies are told for a reason. He didn't tell this to police. What would he have to gain by telling his mother a lie? Seems to me, logic dictates that if he's the killer and used the money for gas, he'd simply not tell his mother anything at all about it.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Alli4Steeler


OR it suggests someone planned Michelle's murder and knew they would need cash for gas and conveniently left it in the "new" wallet in his closet.

Why didn't Jason do a walk through of the house with LE and point out things that were missing? [/*]

Hi Alli4Steeler,

I dunno for sure, But I suspected...in the beginning, that it took EVERYTHING out of Jason to fool his step-dad, which apparently worked for a few minutes. Ergo, the l-o-n-g slow ride back to Raleigh.

He KNOWS.....he knew when he made UP that silly story about Jason "falling plumb to his knees". Funny we haven't heard a lot out of him in the last several months, think he headed for higher ground?

I know I would have.;)

MOO

Swabby

[PlainJane]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Why would Jason lie to his mother about missing money? What would he gain by doing that? His family gave him the money. His family packed up the house to move everything. If your family was packing up your house to sell, wouldn't you alert them to that $400 in the closet? Or would you just keep quiet? [/*]

For the simple fact that it lends credibility to the robbery theory/story.

And I seriously doubt I would even think to mention the box of rolled coins in my closet to my family if they were packing up my house following the murder of my spouse. Call me sentimental, but I'd be thinking about something else.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Jules2



You mean there are super secret, nobody knows anything about except for you, sealed warrants still out?


Link link link....please [/*]

There is a sealed warrant in this case. Link has been posted many times but here it is again.

http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/3305132/

[PlainJane]

Originally posted by Alli4Steeler


long ago....on a thread that went poof....

It is, of course, a rumor....but IIRC, it was posted by someone who had been in the house after it was released by LE. [/*]

So that's a rumor you feel comfortable believing? You sure are selective... Funny how all the rumors you believe support your theory. ;)

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by PlainJane


For the simple fact that it lends credibility to the robbery theory/story.

And I seriously doubt I would even think to mention the box of rolled coins in my closet to my family if they were packing up my house following the murder of my spouse. Call me sentimental, but I'd be thinking about something else. [/*]

Howso? Mrs. Young didn't share the missing money information with police until May, 2007. That's quite a length of time if the goal was to plant a robbery scenario.

I would alert my family to all the valuables in my house if they were packing it up for me so that I wouldn't have to do it. $500 isn't chump change to me.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Alli4Steeler


Of course he didn't tell this to police...he hasn't told them anything as we all read in the sw---he hung up on them while he was en route to Fuquay Varina for goodness sake! He was so despondant over this tragedy that he had the good mind to redirect LE to his yet-to-be retained atty and then hang up?

Also--- I would like to point out that we were told by the teacher that Jason was told to get an atty by a close friend when he arrived in Fuquay Varina. I think this has been proven to be a lie.

So, as you say, lies are told for a reason. What is the reason for this lie?

If he was trying to stage a robbery, then why not "mention" missing cash to his mother? Makes the robbery scenario look much more credible if the "robbers" stole jewelry AND cash. [/*]

Jason did get an attorney. No lie there. Jason did assert his right to silence right away. No lie there. And where do you get the idea that missing cash that his mother told LE about seven months later is now evidence that it was a staged robbery? If anything, it proves just the opposite. For something to be considered "staged," police have to know about it from the get-go. Nowhere in those search warrants do LE even remotely suggest it is a lie. I think they took it quite seriously and were searching for missing items.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


$500 cash from Mommy tucked away in the closet ?
He could not even afford to fix the heater or garage door.
What was $500 doing in the closet ? [/*]

:beer:

Thank You for stating the obvious.


Not important to Jason's supporters, that Michelle & Cassidy were in a VERY cool house, early November. Meanwhile, Jason had ALL the creature comforts that a hotel can offer.

He left early, only to be late the next day...on a routine run...NO caring man would even waste his portion of an overnight stay for such a frivolous distance!

Now I find out that his Mom maintains that (hah) the money to fix the problem was just sitting there in the closet....All the while.........just waiting on a bludgeoning/robbery.

RiiiiiiighT

JMO!

Swabby

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Alli4Steeler


Yep.

I believe this one because I believe the person who said it.

I also believe it because LE said no robbery. Would they have said that if they saw that Michelle's purse had been rifled through? [/*]

How could police even tell her purse was rifled through? There would be no way to know how much money Michelle had in her wallet to begin with.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Alli4Steeler



Why do you think the robbery info was not shared with LE prior to May 2007?

Would that not have helped the investigation?

I would alert LE to the fact that there was cash and missing valuables ASAP in order to aid the investigation.

Why the long wait? [/*]

There was a change in investigators. Perhaps the info was shared with the first investigators and they were so focused on Jason and only Jason that they didn't believe it or chose not to pursue it. Whatever the reason, the detectives in May took note of it and treated it seriously.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by bookie



An overnight bag IS luggage. Again....no mention of him taking ANY luggage, including an overnight bag, out with him when he was seen on video. :rolleyes: [/*]


DOH!

He was only there for a few minutes, how much luggage did he need?

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Celiarun


His mom told police about the cash in the wallet because she and other family members were the source of the cash. She may also have been the source of the new wallet that contained the cash. She certainly had a good way to know what he did with it...he could have told her. [/*]

A fin against a donut hole, that the $500.00 idea came to the forefront AFTER the SWs, with anonymous "A" & "*" were released.

MOO

Swabby

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by PlainJane


That doesn't seem odd to me at all. I assume he got it as a gift and didn't like it (I have donated a couple to Goodwill in the past ten years that my husband received and didn't like). A wallet (like a handbag, IMO) can be a rather personal choice. [/*]

"personal choice" ?

Like the Coach purse as a gift and Jason collecting sorority sister's opinions about which style to purchase for Michelle, and the bogus fax ruse intended for Meredith to find her sister's dead body and toddler niece covered in blood? That kind of personal choice?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Alli4Steeler


Well of course they took it seriously!

They executed a search for it, so that is obvious.

If there was cash there before the murder and Mrs. Young says it's gone and Jason needed cash for his secret gas-ups during his drive and there is no record of him recently withdrawing cash from any of his accounts then VOILA!....you have the cash he needed to buy fuel.

And we were lied to about when and where Jason retained an atty no matter how you try and spin it. [/*]

GMAB. If Jason used the cash to buy fuel after he murdered his wife, he wouldn't have alerted his own mother to the fact he had the cash at all. He knew his mother was talking to police.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Alli4Steeler
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Celiarun


There was a change in investigators. Perhaps the info was shared with the first investigators and they were so focused on Jason and only Jason that they didn't believe it or chose not to pursue it. Whatever the reason, the detectives in May took note of it and treated it seriously. [/*][/QUOTE

They were focused on Jason and only Jason, and Jason knew it, but yet he did not share info of a robbery with LE at all and FINALLY his mother shared it in May 2007....info that could have turned the investigation in another direction..away from her son and toward the killer of her DIL and unborn grandson, a grandson to carry on the Young name.

And I find it hard to believe that LE would ignore evidence that this was a robbery/homicide and not just a homicide and would fail to mention it to new investigators.

This is not info to take lightly. It could lead right to the killer.

LE investigated the mallet, for crying out loud. [/*]

How would Jason providing that information immediately turn the investigation into another direction? If cops believed Jason did it from the get-go, they'd believe he was lying about the robbery.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Celiarun


He staged a robbery, forgot to make it look like a robbery and also left a bloody footprint of his own shoe on a pillow where cops would be sure to see it.....and coincidently, the only sister admitted to touching a pillow.

Sounds more like somebody was trying to set him up, imo. [/*]

Yes, during the 911 call Meredith Did admit to touching the pillow.

She did not, however, step on the pillow and leave a bloody shoe print.

I wonder how many times Jason called Meredith before she arrived at the house? Did he talk to her directly, or did he simply leave a message on her voicemail? Or both?

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Celiarun


GMAB. If Jason used the cash to buy fuel after he murdered his wife, he wouldn't have alerted his own mother to the fact he had the cash at all. He knew his mother was talking to police. [/*]

LOL!

Jason doesn't have to "alert" his mom to ANYTHING anymore. He has already symbolically killed her.

I am sure she is towing the line now.

MOO

Swabby

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by alter ego
How could he check in empty handed and then go to his room and come back out with other clothes on? [/*]

He checked into the hotel wearing a white long-sleeved shirt, returned to the front desk wearing a brown long-sleeved shirt.

Are you going to say that he engaged in convo with another patron in the hallway and they exchanged shirts?

:rolleyes:

*Don't forget about the rock at the side exit door.

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by Bud Wiser


Ok here is something I will post that WILL come true...just for you Kat.

JASON LYNN YOUNG WILL BE INDICTED FOR 1st DEGREE MURDER [/*] :beer: And soon to have company.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Celiarun


How could police even tell her purse was rifled through? There would be no way to know how much money Michelle had in her wallet to begin with. [/*]

If I was murdered, my bank statement will show that I got $50 cash out of the ATM on my way home from work so that I could purchase gas and coffee the following morning on my way into work.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


He checked into the hotel wearing a white long-sleeved shirt, returned to the front desk wearing a brown long-sleeved shirt.

Are you going to say that he engaged in convo with another patron in the hallway and they exchanged shirts?

:rolleyes:

*Don't forget about the rock at the side exit door. [/*]No, that's not what I'm saying.

Why don't you try again.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Alli4Steeler


Yep.

I believe this one because I believe the person who said it.

I also believe it because LE said no robbery. Would they have said that if they saw that Michelle's purse had been rifled through? [/*]When did LE say there was no robbery?

[5swab5]

Originally posted by alter ego
When did LE say there was no robbery? [/*]

Ummm, from the VERY beginning.

"NO forced entry and NO robbery".

Later gators, haystack time.

MOO

Swabby

[alter ego]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Ummm, from the VERY beginning.

"NO forced entry and NO robbery".

Later gators, haystack time.

MOO

Swabby [/*]
Then link it pls, cuz I can't find LE saying "no robbery" anywhere.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by alter ego

Then link it pls, cuz I can't find LE saying "no robbery" anywhere. [/*]

"no forced entry"

Are you thinking the robber knocked on the door and Michelle opened it to let the robber come into the house?

"no forced entry" means: No robbery.

Jason staged the crime scene to make it look like a robbery and that's one of several reasons why the investigation has taken so long. Jason Not cooperating is one of the major reasons.

**There are numerous articles that mention LE said "no forced entry" and the links are provided in the Link Thread.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by bookie
The bottom line is that if this "evidence" was really evidence and incriminated Jason he would have been in jail long ago. The fact that the cops omitted the fact that Jason returned to his hotel room screams reasonable doubt. IMO they know there wasn't enough time for him to go back and kill Michelle so they left out pertinent information when they asked for the s/w. [/*]

One only needs to read this thread to see why LE have to have each i dotted and t crossed. Too many women who would not use their God given brains were they to be selected to be on this jury. Short of a video of the murder and an allocution by JLY, the DA doesn't stand a chance if some of these posters are indicative off the abilities of the women in Raleigh to use deductive reasoning and logic, imho.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by Trinity


Yeah, I did.

Sorry, I just don't get why she needs to stir the pot like this when everyone is so emotional and we only want justice for Michelle. It gets me very upset.

Sorry. [/*]

Trinity hon, the sooner you accept that there are quite a few posters here who will gladly forgo justice for Michelle as long as ole Jayboy stays out of jail, the sooner you will not be so upset. It is not only sad, but SICK, IMO.

[Schatzie]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich


Trinity hon, the sooner you accept that there are quite a few posters here who will gladly forgo justice for Michelle as long as ole Jayboy stays out of jail, the sooner you will not be so upset. It is not only sad, but SICK, IMO. [/*]Truer words were never spoken-the same click is cheering for Brad Cooper. barf