Leave them Alone

[lita456]

This is horrible. JMOO



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[OvrAndOvrAgn]

If they were not in this country illegally then they would not have anything to worry about. Maybe they should think about going back home now. Also I am so tired of the excuse that "they have family here, so f**king what!! Having family here does not equal into a free pass to break the laws.

[st777jo]

You won't get no sympathy from me. There isn't even sympathy from the people that commented. They are illegal. INS and BP have a job to do. Just like you. End of story.

[st777jo]

Here's another bleeding heart sob story for you, Lita.

http://realcostofprisons.org/blog/archives/2008/07/tn_pregnant_wom.html

So sad, too bad! Maybe you could do a search on how many legal pregnant women are in prison.

[Rangerx1]

I'd bet if they turn themselves in, they'd be given safe shelter. And later deported.

Again, people put themselves in this position but they are the victims?? Sorry Lita. If they followed the law in the first place there would not be an issue.

[chrgrfan]

Due to the fact the hurricane is an act of God if I was them I'd be wondering if he was trying to tell me something!

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn
If they were not in this country illegally then they would not have anything to worry about. Maybe they should think about going back home now. Also I am so tired of the excuse that "they have family here, so f**king what!! Having family here does not equal into a free pass to break the laws. [/*]


And I'm sick and tired of yours and others excuse "if they weren't here they'd have nothing to worry about" - the problem is, "they are here" Ovr. They are here.

How about thinking up a more useful solution instead of the same ole rhetoric.

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by chrgrfan
Due to the fact the hurricane is an act of God if I was them I'd be wondering if he was trying to tell me something! [/*]


:rolleyes:

God created man equally no matter what race or religion.

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by $MakesUCuter
If they are here illegally, they are breaking the law. Should we take the "Just leave them alone" attitude with all law breakers? Enforce the laws for people of every color or race, except for one? [/*]


We should leave them alone when a possible catastrophe could strike whether it's an act of god or not. It's one thing to try and apprehend illegal immigrants crossing the border, but trying to apprehend them when running to safety from a hurricane is totally another.

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



We should leave them alone when a possible catastrophe could strike whether it's an act of god or not. It's one thing to try and apprehend illegal immigrants crossing the border, but trying to apprehend them when running to safety from a hurricane is totally another.

JMOO [/*]

Oh boo-hoo! I am so tired of pro illegal immigration supporters trying to find any reason to let illegal immigrants get away with breaking our laws. If they had followed the law then they wouldn't be in the situation they are in now.

[lita456]

Originally posted by $MakesUCuter


Then why do you feel its ok that they not be held accountable for breaking the laws of this country? As far as I know, the rest of us are. [/*]


Whoever said they shouldn't be held accountable? I have always said they should pay the fine for a first time border crossing misdemeanor for the group I support.

As far as the rest of us? Some do get away with breaking laws, I guess it's either you have a lot of money, or it's who you know.

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


Oh boo-hoo! I am so tired of pro illegal immigration supporters trying to find any reason to let illegal immigrants get away with breaking our laws. If they had followed the law then they wouldn't be in the situation they are in now. [/*]


There you go again Ovr.

What's done is done. Get it? There's no what if's. Think realistically, at least you won't sound like a broken record.

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



There you go again Ovr.

What's done is done. Get it? There's no what if's. Think realistically, at least you won't sound like a broken record.

JMOO [/*]

Yup whats done is done, they broke the law and now they will be deported. You need to be more loyal to your country at least then you wont sound so unAmerican. In my opinion.

[chrgrfan]

Originally posted by lita456



:rolleyes:

God created man equally no matter what race or religion.

JMOO [/*]

Do not steal. Do not lie. Do not deceive one another.
Leviticus 19:11

[lita456]

Originally posted by $MakesUCuter


Where are they going to get the money for the proposed fine? My house, by breaking in, while I am at work. [/*]


Ummm, we're talking about a misdemeanor here.

And if you don't know the misdemeanor fine for first time crossing the border is $50 - $250.

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


Yup whats done is done, they broke the law and now they will be deported. You need to be more loyal to your country at least then you wont sound so unAmerican. In my opinion. [/*]


Hmmm. I guess if I were on a "how American and patriotic are you?" thread, you would see how American I can be.

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by chrgrfan


Do not steal. Do not lie. Do not deceive one another.
Leviticus 19:11 [/*]


I'm sure, if it were up to God or Jesus, you break a commandment because of hardship, and ask for forgiveness, all would be well, (for the people I support).

I believe it's in passage, "god helps those who helps themselves".


JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



Hmmm. I guess if I were on a "how American and patriotic are you?" thread, you would see how American I can be.

JMOO [/*]

You are supporting the illegal invasion of this country so please tell me how that makes you loyal to your country? It doesnt matter that you are only supporting the ones who have broken the law for 10 to 20 years, illegal is illegal.

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



I'm sure, if it were up to God or Jesus, you break a commandment because of hardship, and ask for forgiveness, all would be well, (for the people I support).

I believe it's in passage, "god helps those who helps themselves".


JMOO [/*]

I don't think that illegal immigrants helping themselves to our tax dollars and our jobs while invading our country is what God meant by that.

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


I don't think that illegal immigrants helping themselves to our tax dollars and our jobs while invading our country is what God meant by that. [/*]


Right, but for the group I support, he did mean it for them.

And that is only my opinion.

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



Right, but for the group I support, he did mean it for them.

And that is only my opinion.

JMOO [/*]

Yup that is only "your" opinion and thank God for that.

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


Yup that is only "your" opinion and thank God for that. [/*]



Just as it is yours.

JMOO

[chrgrfan]

Originally posted by lita456



I'm sure, if it were up to God or Jesus, you break a commandment because of hardship, and ask for forgiveness, all would be well, (for the people I support).

I believe it's in passage, "god helps those who helps themselves".


JMOO [/*]

I think you are slightly confused Lita.

So you believe the 10 Commandments are meant to be broken as long as you ask for forgiveness later?

That's different. You've have got some serious moral issues Lita.

[lita456]

Originally posted by chrgrfan


I think you are slightly confused Lita.

So you believe the 10 Commandments are meant to be broken as long as you ask for forgiveness later?

That's different. You've have got some serious moral issues Lita. [/*]


Of course not!

But if someone does commit a sin, they ask for forgiveness.

Stop being a drama queen.

JMOO

[chrgrfan]

Originally posted by lita456



I'm sure, if it were up to God or Jesus, you break a commandment because of hardship, and ask for forgiveness, all would be well, (for the people I support).

I believe it's in passage, "god helps those who helps themselves".


JMOO [/*]

So you believe "the people you support" are allowed to break a commandment because of hardship, ask for forgiveness, and then all is forgiven? Is that what you believe Lita? And this only applies to people you support?

You believe someone is helping themselves by breaking immigration laws, lying, and stealing from others, and that God will reward them for it, by helping them? You believe that Lita? Seriously?

[lita456]

Originally posted by chrgrfan


So you believe "the people you support" are allowed to break a commandment because of hardship, ask for forgiveness, and then all is forgiven? Is that what you believe Lita? And this only applies to people you support?

You believe someone is helping themselves by breaking immigration laws, lying, and stealing from others, and that God will reward them for it, by helping them? You believe that Lita? Seriously? [/*]


They are risking their lives to cross the border for a better life and as many as practicing catholics, I'm sure they asked god for forgiveness.

Stiop acting as if they committed murder and not everyone breaks numerous immigration laws, lies or steals from others. You obviously do not read anything I post or your oblivious to anything anyone's post who's stance is against yours.

But then again, it doesn't suprrise me.

JMOO

[Rangerx1]

You know, I hear Microsoft is a good place to work. I'd like a nice job there to give me a better life. Maybe I can just walk in and start working. Hey, once I'm there, I only had good intentions and want a better life. They should now grant me the job rather than going through the applicaiton process and being approved to work there. Makes sense right?

[st777jo]

Originally posted by lita456



I'm sure, if it were up to God or Jesus, you break a commandment because of hardship, and ask for forgiveness, all would be well, (for the people I support).

I believe it's in passage, "god helps those who helps themselves".


JMOO [/*]

And they can help themselves and their people by changing their own country. Not by coming here illegally and changing ours.

[lita456]

Originally posted by hisgirl_2455


You are pretty full of yourself lita. Who are you to make a difinitave statement as to what GOD meant in his words??? You are speaking to intention, that isn't even allowed in court and I don't think you should be so presumptuous as to ASSUME you know what God MEANT to say. [/*]


Well look in the mirror hisgirl.

Did I not put JMOO at the end of the post? Let me check........hmmm, looks like I did hisgirl. Do I have to remind you what that stands for, or did the lightbulb go on?

JMOO

[st777jo]

Originally posted by lita456



They are risking their lives to cross the border for a better life and as many as practicing catholics, I'm sure they asked god for forgiveness.

Stiop acting as if they committed murder and not everyone breaks numerous immigration laws, lies or steals from others. You obviously do not read anything I post or your oblivious to anything anyone's post who's stance is against yours.

But then again, it doesn't suprrise me.

JMOO [/*]

Stiop acting as if they committed murder and not everyone breaks numerous immigration laws, lies or steals from others.


Just wondering Lita, how do you really know this?

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by chrgrfan


I think you are slightly confused Lita.

So you believe the 10 Commandments are meant to be broken as long as you ask for forgiveness later?

That's different. You've have got some serious moral issues Lita. [/*]

:beer: :patriot:

[lita456]

Originally posted by st777jo


Stiop acting as if they committed murder and not everyone breaks numerous immigration laws, lies or steals from others.


Just wondering Lita, how do you really know this? [/*]


I'm sorry, I cannot reveal my sources.

JMOO

:cool:

[Details]

Originally posted by lita456
:rolleyes:

God created man equally no matter what race or religion.

JMOO [/*]Yep. We were created equal - then some chose to be good people, live in the laws, and others chose to steal, and break laws.

[Details]

Originally posted by lita456
Ummm, we're talking about a misdemeanor here.

And if you don't know the misdemeanor fine for first time crossing the border is $50 - $250.

JMOO [/*]You're quoting only part of the punishment - the rest is deportation.

Living here illegally is a crime, in addition to crossing the border. Taking a job without a green card is another crime.

[Details]

Originally posted by lita456
Of course not!

But if someone does commit a sin, they ask for forgiveness.

Stop being a drama queen.

JMOO [/*]And if you ask any preacher, any priest - forgiveness is only if you sincerely repent - not if you plan to continue to commit the sin. Forgiveness for those who return home and say sorry - sure. For those who think they now have a right to keep what they have stolen - a job and residence in America - nope! That's not repentance! That's not asking for forgiveness.

[chrgrfan]

Originally posted by lita456



I'm sorry, I cannot reveal my sources.

JMOO

:cool: [/*]

Your sick. barf

[st777jo]

4 million to 1. lol

[lita456]

Originally posted by st777jo
4 million to 1. lol [/*]

You wish.

Did you know very wealthy individuals and foundations support pro illegal immigrant groups?

Wealthy philanthropic foundations are helping bankroll the pro-immigration movement, while groups advocating for tighter control of U.S. borders say they take a more grassroots approach to raising money.

The Ford Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation and Democratic activist George Soros, among other liberal funders, have donated millions of dollars to pro-immigration groups, as the Senate continues its debate on a contentious bill that would overhaul the nation's immigration policy

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2007/jun/05/20070605-041857-1302r/?KeepThis=true&TB_iframe=true&height=499.5&width=655.2


:lol:

[st777jo]

Originally posted by lita456


You wish.

Did you know very wealthy individuals and foundations support pro illegal immigrant groups?

Wealthy philanthropic foundations are helping bankroll the pro-immigration movement, while groups advocating for tighter control of U.S. borders say they take a more grassroots approach to raising money.

The Ford Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation and Democratic activist George Soros, among other liberal funders, have donated millions of dollars to pro-immigration groups, as the Senate continues its debate on a contentious bill that would overhaul the nation's immigration policy

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2007/jun/05/20070605-041857-1302r/?KeepThis=true&TB_iframe=true&height=499.5&width=655.2


:lol: [/*]

And this makes you proud? They are supporting amnesty for all these illegals. Some of which have done horrific crimes against our citizens. Just read a small sample written on these boards.

Do you think any of these people live in or around areas that are affected by illegal immigrants?

Also, just because they have money doesn't mean they have any common sense. You should understand that.

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456


You wish.

Did you know very wealthy individuals and foundations support pro illegal immigrant groups?

Wealthy philanthropic foundations are helping bankroll the pro-immigration movement, while groups advocating for tighter control of U.S. borders say they take a more grassroots approach to raising money.

The Ford Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation and Democratic activist George Soros, among other liberal funders, have donated millions of dollars to pro-immigration groups, as the Senate continues its debate on a contentious bill that would overhaul the nation's immigration policy

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2007/jun/05/20070605-041857-1302r/?KeepThis=true&TB_iframe=true&height=499.5&width=655.2


:lol: [/*]
LMAO you just posted a story about a few people with a lot of money who tried to help get an amnesty bill to pass but "We The People" stopped that bill without giving a penny since money does not run this country the people do.:lol:

[st777jo]

The best government MONEY can buy.

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by Searching
Sorry, but money does run this country. When the numbers get high enough that indicate people are paying attention the folks in charge then let us think we run the country. [/*]

Well the people stopped the bill from passing every time so all the money given to the NCLR and SPLC didnt do any good

[lita456]

Originally posted by Searching
:shrug: Are those groups giving illegals the money to pay off the smugglers that help them enter illegally. I would just like to know that if illegals have that kind of money why don't they stay where they are at. [/*]

I have no idea if pro groups send money back to mexico so they are able to pay smugglers? No idea.

I believe they have saved that money for a very long time, every penny went into that "Here I come America" fund.

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by st777jo


And this makes you proud? They are supporting amnesty for all these illegals. Some of which have done horrific crimes against our citizens. Just read a small sample written on these boards.

Do you think any of these people live in or around areas that are affected by illegal immigrants?

Also, just because they have money doesn't mean they have any common sense. You should understand that. [/*]


I responded to your ridiculous 4 million to 1 post Jo. Just trying to show you that it's not only little ole me who supports some illegal immigrants. Even wealthy people support them as well.

Well they must have made their money somehow - I'm sure it would be harder if they didn't have common sense???

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by Searching
:shrug: Well then if they are able to work and save that kind of money while in Mexico why do they to come here. There are plenty of Americans that would like to save $5000.00 or more. [/*]


I'm sure it took years. It doesn't take years for them to make that in America.

JMOO

[st777jo]

Originally posted by lita456



I'm sure it took years. It doesn't take years for them to make that in America.

JMOO [/*]

And for every employer who hired them, our citizens lost the only thing that kept them from total poverty. So keep up that agenda, Lita, it could cost your children and ours down the road.

[lita456]

Originally posted by Searching
I guess your right. Must be why Americans can not do the same thing. They lost their jobs to illegals. Thanks for clearing that up. [/*]


Ummm no.

Haven't you heard? Americans don't want those jobs, never did. That is why illegal immigrants are doing it and have been doing it for many years.

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by Brat2002


Wealthy individuals, like the wealthy Agri owners and other big companies like to hire slave labor so they can stay wealthy! And they also might be involved in donating to certain foundations and have enough control over them to have lots of input in decisions. No wonder they want their cheap labor to stay. They are anti-American. [/*]


No Brat. There people are not agri owners. They are high society affluent people. American affluent people. Your talking doctors, lawyers, celebrities, people who are only in the private sector.

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by st777jo


And for every employer who hired them, our citizens lost the only thing that kept them from total poverty. So keep up that agenda, Lita, it could cost your children and ours down the road. [/*]


Puleeze. This crap has been going on for years, and no one ever complained that an illegal immigrants "stole" their job.

Come on now.

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



Ummm no.

Haven't you heard? Americans don't want those jobs, never did. That is why illegal immigrants are doing it and have been doing it for many years.

JMOO [/*]

You really need to pull your head out of what ever hole you have it stuck in.

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



Puleeze. This crap has been going on for years, and no one ever complained that an illegal immigrants "stole" their job.

Come on now.

JMOO [/*]


Never in the history of this country has there ever been 30 plus million illegal immigrants here. Also people have been complaining about illegal immigration for years and years and years you just were not aware of it.

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


You really need to pull your head out of what ever hole you have it stuck in. [/*]


GMAB Ovr.

Practice what you preach.

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



How could they? With every single anti illegal immigrant group out there? Help the country of Mexico? They are here, they need help here.

I don't know what it's gonna take for you to see it.

JMOO [/*]

:rolleyes:

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn



Never in the history of this country has there ever been 30 plus million illegal immigrants here. Also people have been complaining about illegal immigration for years and years and years you just were not aware of it. [/*]


BS.

It's only been noticed because it's out of control, right now, at this time, after many years when no one complained. If you were right, things would have been done a long time ago up to and including many americans who think like you do.

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



GMAB Ovr.

Practice what you preach.

JMOO [/*]

I see what is going on you dont.

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



BS.

It's only been noticed because it's out of control, right now, at this time, after many years when no one complained. If you were right, things would have been done a long time ago up to and including many americans who think like you do.

JMOO [/*]

If that were true lita then why have organizations like the Center of Immigration Studies and FAIR and NumbersUSA been around for over 20 years?

[Carol25]

Everyone has choices. These people have choices. They made a choice to come over here illegally. They made a choice to be deported if caught. They now fear if a storm comes, they could lose their life or a life of a loved one. They have a choice to return to their homeland and be safe.

America has choices. America has laws. America chooses to enforce their laws.

Pretty simple.

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


If that were true lita then why have organizations like the Center of Immigration Studies and FAIR and NumbersUSA been around for over 20 years? [/*]


Statistics. Plain and simple.

JMOO

[chrgrfan]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn

LMAO you just posted a story about a few people with a lot of money who tried to help get an amnesty bill to pass but "We The People" stopped that bill without giving a penny since money does not run this country the people do.:lol: [/*]:beer:

[lita456]

Originally posted by Searching
Since most Americans can't live on slave wages, employers don't even bother to offer the jobs to them. Thats an old worn out excuse that Americans do not want the jobs. Americans also don't want to live 10 to a 1 bedroom house and survive on a diet of rice, beans, flour and corn tortillas. But all that aside I can't understand the stupidity of these illegals. They apparently have money in their country that they save up overtime. Thats according to your post("Here I come America fund"). They pay thousands of $'s to be able to sneak in to America. Run the risk of being caught and deported. When caught and deported return to their country and start over again. If they had not given the thousands of $'s to people smugglers in the first place and kept on saving wouldn't they be ahead in the long run. It's basically the same ? I asked earlier. If they are able to save thousands of $'s while in their country, why give the money to people smugglers and run the risk of lossing it all. IMO your attempt to help these folks is somewhat missguided. If your truly interested in helping these folks, why not teach them basic economics along with a course on applying for a green card or citizenship. IMO your time would be better spent than beating that old worn out drum that Americans do not want the jobs.:patriot: [/*]


Well according to the anti comrads on this forum say any american down and out would gladly take an illegal immigrant job. And I have said, numerous times, I don't see hundreds or even thousands of americans wanting to pick strawberries, or wash dishes for the rest of their lives and by beating down the door of the nearest unemployment office to do so.

Why poke fun at what they eat? Is there something wrong with their types of foods? It's actually very good.

As far as teaching them economics? Yah, sure, I'll get right on that.

JMOO





:rolleyes:

[Rangerx1]

My older brother washed dishes when he was younger. I washed dishes. My neice worked detassling corn crops. My friend's husband does landscaping as a career. Yes, some of us move on, some like the work and keep doing it, but there are always people that do these jobs. They just don't do them for slave wages. So your whole arguement that Americans will not do them has gotten old and tired. Repeating it over and over does not make it true.

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



Well according to the anti comrads on this forum say any american down and out would gladly take an illegal immigrant job. And I have said, numerous times, I don't see hundreds or even thousands of americans wanting to pick strawberries, or wash dishes for the rest of their lives and by beating down the door of the nearest unemployment office to do so.

Why poke fun at what they eat? Is there something wrong with their types of foods? It's actually very good.

As far as teaching them economics? Yah, sure, I'll get right on that.

JMOO





:rolleyes: [/*]

What about the immigrants here legally and on work visas? They took the steps to enter this country the right way and are now out of work because of illegal immigrants.

[lita456]

Originally posted by Rangerx1
My older brother washed dishes when he was younger. I washed dishes. My neice worked detassling corn crops. My friend's husband does landscaping as a career. Yes, some of us move on, some like the work and keep doing it, but there are always people that do these jobs. They just don't do them for slave wages. So your whole arguement that Americans will not do them has gotten old and tired. Repeating it over and over does not make it true. [/*]


And who else?

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


What about the immigrants here legally and on work visas? They took the steps to enter this country the right way and are now out of work because of illegal immigrants. [/*]


Link please.

JMOO

[Rangerx1]

Originally posted by lita456



And who else?

JMOO [/*]

You're right. We're the only ones that did this!! :rolleyes:

Why do you try to ignore facts that Americans do these jobs? Is it hard to understand that these are examples? Young people need to start somewhere and there is an endless supply of young people coming up. Or does every kid coming out of high school instantly go into a high paying office job in your world?

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



Link please.

JMOO [/*]

Go to FAIRS web site or to CIS web site. Try reading some web sites that are not pro illegal immigration once in awhile. I have posted all these links over and over again :D

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn



I bet that is your friend. :rolleyes: [/*]


Nope. Don't know who that is, just thought it was funny.

We need a little laughter every once in a while don't you think?

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



Nope. Don't know who that is, just thought it was funny.

We need a little laughter every once in a while don't you think?

JMOO [/*]

Yeah sure.

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


Yeah sure. [/*]


:shrug: If you don't believe me, don't.

If I were to have a friend on here, it would be way worse than that.

JMOO

[chrgrfan]

Originally posted by lita456



Link please.

JMOO [/*]

Lita you need a link for to show that illegal immigrants take the jobs legal immigrants could have? I thought you had "sources."
:lol:

[lita456]

Originally posted by Searching
Have you ever protested to the Mexican Govt.? I dare you to go to Mexico City and challenge there government to take better care of their own people. Be sure and take plenty of money for making bond. [/*]


I'm trying to voice support for the group I do support. They are already here, no need to go to Mexico.

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by Searching
It just seems that if you are truly interested in their problem you would want to go to the route cause. I can understand not wanting to travel to one of the most polluted citys in the world. Have you tried emailing El Presidente or the Mexican Consult. [/*]


No I haven't.

How about we go a different route? Why not you, emailing El Presidente and tell him to keep his own people in his yard? hmmm?

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



I'm trying to voice support for the group I do support. They are already here, no need to go to Mexico.

JMOO [/*]

You want to give special treatment to one group for breaking the law while punishing the other group for breaking the same law and in my opinion that is a form of racism.

[lita456]

Originally posted by Searching
You need to ask. I don't support them. You do. Are you so confused that you forgot that.:patriot: [/*]


Jeez.

You don't want them here correct?

JMOO

[Rangerx1]

Lita,

You support a better life for a group of people. Why would you not do all you can to stop the root of their problems? Is it better to only care about them after they leave behind their life and family only to risk their life and break another countries laws and have to live in secrecy?

On the other hand, myself as well as many others here support our laws being enforced. This means they need to return to their country of origin either voluntarily or involuntarily and follow the procedures in place if they desire to come here. Do you propose that we should try to force Mexico into making laws to stop their people from leaving?

[st777jo]

Someone is gonna have to get their "sources" on here for proof of that.

[st777jo]

lol, thanks searching, I meant Lita's "secret sources".

[lita456]

Originally posted by Rangerx1
Lita,

You support a better life for a group of people. Why would you not do all you can to stop the root of their problems? Is it better to only care about them after they leave behind their life and family only to risk their life and break another countries laws and have to live in secrecy?

On the other hand, myself as well as many others here support our laws being enforced. This means they need to return to their country of origin either voluntarily or involuntarily and follow the procedures in place if they desire to come here. Do you propose that we should try to force Mexico into making laws to stop their people from leaving? [/*]


What would you like me to do Ranger?

I'm trying to spread the word that not all illegal immigrants are the way they are made out to be. They came here for a better life, and in most cases, have that, why would they want to change?

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by GrnEyedBlnd


As long as nobody in the "group" has ever driven a car in the US in the past 20 yrs, that's who she supports, soooooo, gonna be a really small group.

Didn't she say that she supports the group that ONLY broke the law "that one time" by crossing our borders "a long time ago"?

The group is getting smaller by the minute!! I might have to start supporting that group also....

If they have only broken that one law, they get my support, BUT, if they have broken ANY other law, they are outta here...deal lita? [/*]



Stop being condescending. Maybe if you really had something to say, I'd listen.

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by Searching
Even though your still a little confused your coming along nicely. I don't want them here illegally. [/*]:lol:




:lol: :punch:

[Rangerx1]

Originally posted by lita456



What would you like me to do Ranger?

I'm trying to spread the word that not all illegal immigrants are the way they are made out to be. They came here for a better life, and in most cases, have that, why would they want to change?

JMOO [/*]


Maybe they would change so that they would not be breaking our laws? As has been pointed out, they break the law to come here. They break it by working when here illegally. They break it by driving (and don't try to say none do). They often drive without insurance which breaks another one.

They want to be part of this country, but to be part of it, they have to respect all of it, including it's laws.

[lita456]

Originally posted by Rangerx1



Maybe they would change so that they would not be breaking our laws? As has been pointed out, they break the law to come here. They break it by working when here illegally. They break it by driving (and don't try to say none do). They often drive without insurance which breaks another one.

They want to be part of this country, but to be part of it, they have to respect all of it, including it's laws. [/*]


And maybe our government or state will do something for them. You can follow that other posters blame on all illegal immigrants but not for the ones I support. That's totally up to you.

I don't understand why you can't give them a chance?

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by Searching
Try this www.judicialwatch.org. [/*]

I really like Judical Watch!!!

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



And maybe our government or state will do something for them. You can follow that other posters blame on all illegal immigrants but not for the ones I support. That's totally up to you.

I don't understand why you can't give them a chance?

JMOO [/*]

Hopefully our government or state will hold them accountable their actions and deport every last one of them.

[Rangerx1]

Originally posted by lita456



And maybe our government or state will do something for them. You can follow that other posters blame on all illegal immigrants but not for the ones I support. That's totally up to you.

I don't understand why you can't give them a chance?

JMOO [/*]


Follow? You mean where I recognize the laws that they do break? The choice was all theirs to come here legally or not. They chose not to. The US gave them the chance to come here legally through the procedures that are in place. Just because it's not a fast and easy route does not mean it's invalid. They chose the illegal path, not me. Our government owes them nothing for breaking our laws, and neither do I.

[chrgrfan]

Excellant post!

[lita456]

Originally posted by Brat2002


You continue to bring up the group you support, claiming that they have only broken one law by sneaking in this country illegally. You claim they pay taxes, but how is this possible to do when they cannot have a valid social security number? How do they get loans for homes and cars without going through proper credit checks, which require a social security number? How do they work legally at any job considering they are not citizens?

You are dreaming if you really believe they do not break many laws. Of course you won't answer this and I expect the same rhetoric, sans any real explanation. You have shown that you don't care what problems are caused for American citizens by the fact that so many illegals are living a lie.

I am beginning to think that the group you support is very, very small and perhaps your kinfolk or friends. If you are fully supporting (as in financially supporting) those here illegally so they do not steal people's identities, soak the taxpayers or take jobs that might benefit our youth or poor, then maybe they only broke one law. But, guess what, one law broken is one too many.

Last I checked, none of us are allowed to break any laws without some kind of punishment. Deportation isn't even a punishment and I'd suggest they all save themselves a lot of grief by just leaving before they get caught and held by ICE. ICE is not the enemy and I am tired of some people making them out to be the bad guys. More and more people are behind ICE and enforcing our laws. The message is clear and I hope someone translates it to the illegals right away. [/*]


Come on Brat, do I have to continue to post links indicating illegal immigrants do pay taxes? And I have also provided links that certain banks are approving loans for them to buy homes. Why do you continue the same rhetoric?

Don't worry I'll answer your questions Brat. I'm not afraid to state my opinion no matter how many people are against me.

What I see from anti's point of view is only one solution: deportation and it's not right. It's not fair. Many did not apply for amnesty in 1986 because some were only here a year or two, and you could only apply if you lived here for four years or more. Secondly, many did not have the appropriate paperwork to prove they did. Third, many did not believe our government and was afraid to apply for fear of deporation. It took time for people to gain confidence in the process.

Many have thought about listening to our government and laws by going home and applying legally but they do not trust our government:

Here's a snippet from when Bush's bill may have gone through

Cesar Damian Solis, who earns up to $600 a month laying bricks and pipe in Phoenix, thinks most illegal
immigrants would rather have a plan that allows them to remain in the United States while their applications are
processed. "I want to wait here and I will pay here," said Solis, 22, who left Mexico two years ago. "Sometimes I think the
government is lying. They can say go over there to your country, wait over there. Then they never answer.That's one of the main points that immigrants don't trust," said Tarazona, 19, who came to U.S. with his family when he was 11 years old and overstayed his visa. "Why do they have to go back and how much time?"

Immigration lawyers said a key unknown is whether the agency handling visa application promises not to share
information with deportation officers. Such a promise was made in 1986. "No one is going to come forward if they think it may lead to deportation," said Mary Meg McCarthy, a lawyer at
the National Immigrant Justice Center in Chicago.

http://www.cliniclegal.org/IntheNews/AP051807.html

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by Brat2002


Something is very fishy when people without social security numbers are said to pay taxes and get loans. I dare any American to try and get away with half of what the illegals do. No supporters would be asking the law officials or IRS to give us amnesty. And fearing the law or the government has never been an acceptable excuse.

The illegals broke the law and don't want to get caught. Period.

How on earth is it not fair to catch and deport them?
Much, much worse would happen to us if we attempted to pull this stuff in Mexico. Of course, there's no free lunch there and severe penalties for entering illegally. They are just lately trying to appear kinder to the illegals there in hopes of convincing us to keep their people. They need that money sent back in remittances. The Mexican government must laugh themselves silly at what their country has been able to do to us Americans.

Laying brick and pipe for 600.00 a month?? That job still pays decent around here, but as soon as some of these local companies realize how much more profit they could make by hiring illegals, that will change. Shame that so many jobs are going so cheap now. And most of us don't get government aid so some people are really hurting. And we pay taxes legally. Way too many taxes, and I wonder if you've looked at the numbers. The money spent on illegals far outweighs any contribution from them.

Face it, as long as you choose to view us Americans as snobs who can get any job they want at whatever pay they demand, you'll have an easier time of accusing us of being racist or mean just because we want laws enforced and no more favortism for certain groups who break laws. [/*]



That's rich.

I don't view americans as snobs, I said people who come in from other parts of the world, who basically cannot stand america and our values.

And you accept them? LOL. Whatever ok.

JMOO

[st777jo]

There's plenty of legal citizens that don't trust our gov't. either, but it doesn't give us the right to break our laws.

[chrgrfan]

Originally posted by Brat2002


Something is very fishy when people without social security numbers are said to pay taxes and get loans. I dare any American to try and get away with half of what the illegals do. No supporters would be asking the law officials or IRS to give us amnesty. And fearing the law or the government has never been an acceptable excuse.

The illegals broke the law and don't want to get caught. Period.

How on earth is it not fair to catch and deport them?
Much, much worse would happen to us if we attempted to pull this stuff in Mexico. Of course, there's no free lunch there and severe penalties for entering illegally. They are just lately trying to appear kinder to the illegals there in hopes of convincing us to keep their people. They need that money sent back in remittances. The Mexican government must laugh themselves silly at what their country has been able to do to us Americans.

Laying brick and pipe for 600.00 a month?? That job still pays decent around here, but as soon as some of these local companies realize how much more profit they could make by hiring illegals, that will change. Shame that so many jobs are going so cheap now. And most of us don't get government aid so some people are really hurting. And we pay taxes legally. Way too many taxes, and I wonder if you've looked at the numbers. The money spent on illegals far outweighs any contribution from them.

Face it, as long as you choose to view us Americans as snobs who can get any job they want at whatever pay they demand, you'll have an easier time of accusing us of being racist or mean just because we want laws enforced and no more favortism for certain groups who break laws. [/*]

I agree Brat, that job pays decent here too. Even to illegal immigrants. Who lays brick and pipe for $600.00 a month? Either he's lying or he's crazy. Thats probably the amount he "reports" he earns to his welfare worker and to the IRS. If he is paid weekly (average 4.33 weeks in a month) $138.56 a week divide by 40 hours=$3.46 an hour. Come on now! Lita you want us to believe he pays taxes on that income? Right. If he is paid $600.00 per month his yearly income is $7200.00. Not taxable dear. Therefore it costs the U.S. taxpayers to have him here, the only one profiting is the greedy employer. Plus I wonder who's job that was before he took it.

[lita456]

Originally posted by chrgrfan


I agree Brat, that job pays decent here too. Even to illegal immigrants. Who lays brick and pipe for $600.00 a month? Either he's lying or he's crazy. Thats probably the amount he "reports" he earns to his welfare worker and to the IRS. If he is paid weekly (average 4.33 weeks in a month) $138.56 a week divide by 40 hours=$3.46 an hour. Come on now! Lita you want us to believe he pays taxes on that income? Right. If he is paid $600.00 per month his yearly income is $7200.00. Not taxable dear. Therefore it costs the U.S. taxpayers to have him here, the only one profiting is the greedy employer. Plus I wonder who's job that was before he took it. [/*]



Only you would think he's lying or he's crazy. Wait.... no there are others....scratch that.

JMOO

[st777jo]

Here's another tidbit of info. 30 some years ago I left my husband for 4 yrs. When I went for child support for my son, I gave them all info, work, home addy, etc. They did nothing. Turned it over to welfare. I had to go thru welfare to get support for my son, not me. Welfare was supposed to get payment back from him. We got back together and bought a house. We both worked. Come income tax time, IRS took our taxes to pay back the money. Not just his taxes, but mine too, because it was joint.

So, oh yea, it needs changing. And it still boils down to, its our law, and we MUST abide. We meaning legal citizens.

[Rangerx1]

Originally posted by lita456




That's rich.

I don't view americans as snobs, I said people who come in from other parts of the world, who basically cannot stand america and our values.

And you accept them? LOL. Whatever ok.

JMOO [/*]


Someone that can not stand America is expressing their opinion. They're entitled to it. It doesn't mean I have to like them, but at least they follow our laws.

Now those that disrespect our country by breaking it's laws, that's another story. And you are fine with accepting them?

Holy crap! Sheesh! Jeez! OMG! :D

[chrgrfan]

Originally posted by st777jo
Here's another tidbit of info. 30 some years ago I left my husband for 4 yrs. When I went for child support for my son, I gave them all info, work, home addy, etc. They did nothing. Turned it over to welfare. I had to go thru welfare to get support for my son, not me. Welfare was supposed to get payment back from him. We got back together and bought a house. We both worked. Come income tax time, IRS took our taxes to pay back the money. Not just his taxes, but mine too, because it was joint.

So, oh yea, it needs changing. And it still boils down to, its our law, and we MUST abide. We meaning legal citizens. [/*]

Sorry Jo but this is going to piss you off more.

All parents/caretakers who apply or receive Medi-cal (Medi-caid for some) are required to cooperate with the local child support agency and give information on the absent parent so that the government can go after the absent parent financially for the benefits their child received (just like in your case). If the parent/caretaker refuses. Then the parent/caretaker is denied benefits (as long as she is not pregnant) for failing to cooperate with child support.

HOWEVER, there is one exception. Guess what it is? If the absent parent is an illegal immigrant, then it is not a requirement.

Because our government doesn't even try to locate the illegal immigrant absent parent and make him/her pay for the costs of their child (as they did in your case). They always claim family is #1. Then why are our caseloads full of illegal immigrant absent parents? So your husband had to pay child support owed. Then you guys got to pay for the medical costs of the children of illegal immigrant parents.

Special rules for special folks, must be nice. I smell dicscrimination, and it stinks!

[chrgrfan]

They do get rewarded and I truly believe these programs were set up this way to benefit the illegal immigrants so that they come and work for low wages. Therefore benefiting the employers. We all know who pays off the politicians and they are the ones who make the regulations to these welfare programs. That is my theory.
It is all about the money for these guys and they want cheap labor because it equals higher profits. Then when any of us talk about how wrong illegal immigration is, what do they call us.....RACISTS!
That is their only defense they don't want to debate the facts they don't want the facts known.

[st777jo]

When I come back in my next life, I'm gonna leave my English at home, along with all ID. lol

And I am gonna live next door to ?????????????

[lita456]

Originally posted by Rangerx1



Someone that can not stand America is expressing their opinion. They're entitled to it. It doesn't mean I have to like them, but at least they follow our laws.

Now those that disrespect our country by breaking it's laws, that's another story. And you are fine with accepting them?

Holy crap! Sheesh! Jeez! OMG! :D [/*]


Stop copying me Ranger. :D

[chrgrfan]

Too bad Brat's not running for president that last post was awesome. :beer:

[st777jo]

51,000 jobs lost in July.

unemployment rate, 5.7%

keeps getting better & better for legal U.S. citizens, yet they still want to tax us to death & support illegals.

[st777jo]

Originally posted by chrgrfan
Too bad Brat's not running for president that last post was awesome. :beer: [/*]

She has to much common sense, it won't fly, lol

[lita456]

Originally posted by chrgrfan
They do get rewarded and I truly believe these programs were set up this way to benefit the illegal immigrants so that they come and work for low wages. Therefore benefiting the employers. We all know who pays off the politicians and they are the ones who make the regulations to these welfare programs. That is my theory.
It is all about the money for these guys and they want cheap labor because it equals higher profits. Then when any of us talk about how wrong illegal immigration is, what do they call us.....RACISTS!
That is their only defense they don't want to debate the facts they don't want the facts known. [/*]


Look, you need to face the facts! In many instances some racism is involved whether the person making the accusations realizes it or not.

The Democratic allegations of racism may sound like just another political ploy, but there certainly is a case to be made that racial fears are informing some of the debate on immigration policy. The political demand to seal the U.S.-Mexico border, and the President's new proposal to send 6,000 members of the National Guard to help do that, is nominally based on national security. But why then is no one proposing sending additional National Guard troops to secure the U.S.-Canada border? Don't laugh. Ahmed Ressam, the so-called Millennium Bomber, was caught at the Canadian border with a trunk full of explosive precursor material and a plot to bomb Los Angeles Airport. And as for the notion that terrorists are mixing with undocumented border crossers to infiltrate the country from the south, all 19 of the 9/11 plotters entered the U.S. legally. Just as important, the debate could address the issue of race head-on: should ethnicity be a factor in granting citizenship? There are a small number of respectable scholars, like Harvard's Samuel P. Huntington, who argue that the large Hispanic influx into America does threaten its character.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1195250,00.html

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



Look, you need to face the facts! In many instances some racism is involved whether the person making the accusations realizes it or not.

The Democratic allegations of racism may sound like just another political ploy, but there certainly is a case to be made that racial fears are informing some of the debate on immigration policy. The political demand to seal the U.S.-Mexico border, and the President's new proposal to send 6,000 members of the National Guard to help do that, is nominally based on national security. But why then is no one proposing sending additional National Guard troops to secure the U.S.-Canada border? Don't laugh. Ahmed Ressam, the so-called Millennium Bomber, was caught at the Canadian border with a trunk full of explosive precursor material and a plot to bomb Los Angeles Airport. And as for the notion that terrorists are mixing with undocumented border crossers to infiltrate the country from the south, all 19 of the 9/11 plotters entered the U.S. legally. Just as important, the debate could address the issue of race head-on: should ethnicity be a factor in granting citizenship? There are a small number of respectable scholars, like Harvard's Samuel P. Huntington, who argue that the large Hispanic influx into America does threaten its character.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1195250,00.html [/*]


The only racism involved is AGAINST the American citizens since we are the ones who are not getting any special treatment, such as being allowed to break the laws. We are the ones being treated like second class citizens.

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn



The only racism involved is AGAINST the American citizens since we are the ones who are not getting any special treatment, such as being allowed to break the laws. We are the ones being treated like second class citizens. [/*]



And what's your take on what I posted?

JMOO

:rolleyes:

[st777jo]

Originally posted by Brat2002
LOL, guys, wouldn't want that job, but sure wish one of the candidates did have the common sense that the average person does. It would be great if the politicians would remember exactly who they are there to represent. [/*]

Vote out ALL incumbents, per Jack Cafferty from CNN and me.

[st777jo]

Originally posted by lita456




And what's your take on what I posted?

JMOO

:rolleyes: [/*]

How about the 3 C's of illegals:


Crime

Cost

Consequences of the future

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456




And what's your take on what I posted?

JMOO

:rolleyes: [/*]


I think that your story is 2 years old and we have now pulled the National Guard off of the border.
Let me ask you lita dont you find it odd that Bush is willing to do so much to secure the borders in other countries but not willing to secure our own?

[chrgrfan]

Originally posted by lita456



Look, you need to face the facts! In many instances some racism is involved whether the person making the accusations realizes it or not.

The Democratic allegations of racism may sound like just another political ploy, but there certainly is a case to be made that racial fears are informing some of the debate on immigration policy. The political demand to seal the U.S.-Mexico border, and the President's new proposal to send 6,000 members of the National Guard to help do that, is nominally based on national security. But why then is no one proposing sending additional National Guard troops to secure the U.S.-Canada border? Don't laugh. Ahmed Ressam, the so-called Millennium Bomber, was caught at the Canadian border with a trunk full of explosive precursor material and a plot to bomb Los Angeles Airport. And as for the notion that terrorists are mixing with undocumented border crossers to infiltrate the country from the south, all 19 of the 9/11 plotters entered the U.S. legally. Just as important, the debate could address the issue of race head-on: should ethnicity be a factor in granting citizenship? There are a small number of respectable scholars, like Harvard's Samuel P. Huntington, who argue that the large Hispanic influx into America does threaten its character.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1195250,00.html [/*]

Racism is just an excuse not to enforce our immigration laws. Honestly terrorism and illegal immigration are two totally seperate issues. One (hopefully) has nothing to do with the other. However they are both a huge threat to this country.

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn



I think that your story is 2 years old and we have now pulled the National Guard off of the border.
Let me ask you lita dont you find it odd that Bush is willing to do so much to secure the borders in other countries but not willing to secure our own? [/*]

oh ok, it's two years old. I figured as much.

Bush? What about Regan, what about Clinton? They didn't do squat either, and they should have done it years ago when many started to come over.

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by chrgrfan


Racism is just an excuse not to enforce our immigration laws. Honestly terrorism and illegal immigration are two totally seperate issues. One (hopefully) has nothing to do with the other. However they are both a huge threat to this country. [/*]


If you can't admit that yes at times racism is involved that's your problem.

JMOO

[chrgrfan]

Originally posted by lita456



If you can't admit that yes at times racism is involved that's your problem.

JMOO [/*]

You just use racism as a crutch Lita. Debate the facts. We all know racism has nothing to do with wanting our immigration laws enforced. It's a sign of weakness when you need to constantly throw in the race card. Sorry, but it is.

[lita456]

Originally posted by chrgrfan


You just use racism as a crutch Lita. Debate the facts. We all know racism has nothing to do with wanting our immigration laws enforced. It's a sign of weakness when you need to constantly throw in the race card. Sorry, but it is. [/*]


Hardly.

When the facts are right in front of your face and you refuse to see it, that's called denial and you have a load of it on your shoulders.

JMOO though.

[lita456]

Originally posted by Brat2002


Great point. While we all know there are racists out there, this is an entirely separate issue. This is about our laws, not to mention our money and our jobs. It doesn't matter the race of the majority of illegals. If it were white Canadians breaking our laws, we'd still be saying the same things. Secure the borders and deport illegals. [/*]


Yes, I'll agree there are many americans who feel the same way you do, that racism is not involved. Race is not a separate issue to some however.

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by lita456



Hardly.

When the facts are right in front of your face and you refuse to see it, that's called denial and you have a load of it on your shoulders.

JMOO though. [/*][/QUOTE


Why don't you go stand in front of a mirror and repeat that exact statement and then you will have said those words to the correct person.

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn
[QUOTE]Originally posted by lita456



Hardly.

When the facts are right in front of your face and you refuse to see it, that's called denial and you have a load of it on your shoulders.

JMOO though. [/*][/QUOTE


Why don't you go stand in front of a mirror and repeat that exact statement and then you will have said those words to the correct person. [/*]




And that's your opinion.



JMOO

[Rangerx1]

Lita

Because some with racist views are out there against illegal immigration does not mean that those that are against illegal immigration have racist views. That is why they are seperate. You like to let them blend to create false arguements to prove your points.

[lita456]

Originally posted by Rangerx1
Lita

Because some with racist views are out there against illegal immigration does not mean that those that are against illegal immigration have racist views. That is why they are seperate. You like to let them blend to create false arguements to prove your points. [/*]


Not all, but some do and if some do, racism is considered a factor. They are not false arguments and I can post links to show you that, but of course, I'll be told those are pro websites.

:rolleyes:

JMOO

[Rangerx1]

Originally posted by lita456



Not all, but some do and if some do, racism is considered a factor. They are not false arguments and I can post links to show you that, but of course, I'll be told those are pro websites.

:rolleyes:

JMOO [/*]

And when we're debating a point that is about the legality of what illegal immigrants are doing and why it's wrong, what does that have to do with racism?

Hint... Nothing!

[vonna]

Originally posted by lita456



Look, you need to face the facts! In many instances some racism is involved whether the person making the accusations realizes it or not.

The Democratic allegations of racism may sound like just another political ploy, but there certainly is a case to be made that racial fears are informing some of the debate on immigration policy. The political demand to seal the U.S.-Mexico border, and the President's new proposal to send 6,000 members of the National Guard to help do that, is nominally based on national security. But why then is no one proposing sending additional National Guard troops to secure the U.S.-Canada border? Don't laugh. Ahmed Ressam, the so-called Millennium Bomber, was caught at the Canadian border with a trunk full of explosive precursor material and a plot to bomb Los Angeles Airport. And as for the notion that terrorists are mixing with undocumented border crossers to infiltrate the country from the south, all 19 of the 9/11 plotters entered the U.S. legally. Just as important, the debate could address the issue of race head-on: should ethnicity be a factor in granting citizenship? There are a small number of respectable scholars, like Harvard's Samuel P. Huntington, who argue that the large Hispanic influx into America does threaten its character.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1195250,00.html [/*]

No need for protection from the Canadian's. They are not invading our country.

[lita456]

Originally posted by GrnEyedBlnd


I am with Ovr on this one. [/*]


No kidding?

:lol: :rolleyes:

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by Searching
Hey Lita. Don't mean to needle you or inject any discomfort but did you hear that one of those illegals you're so proud of gets their last free taxpayers ride tonight. Must be a pretty exciting ride. They strap him down and wheel him around and when it's over he gets to take a dirt nap. Just think he got to live 14 years longer than those two teenage girls he and his pals raped, stomped and murdered. I hear that for his last meal he's asking for :chicken: tacos. Seems appropriate. [/*]


Searchng I was just going to post something like this but you beat me to it.:beer:

[Rangerx1]

Originally posted by Searching
Hey Lita. Don't mean to needle you or inject any discomfort but did you hear that one of those illegals you're so proud of gets their last free taxpayers ride tonight. Must be a pretty exciting ride. They strap him down and wheel him around and when it's over he gets to take a dirt nap. Just think he got to live 14 years longer than those two teenage girls he and his pals raped, stomped and murdered. I hear that for his last meal he's asking for :chicken: tacos. Seems appropriate. [/*]


Lita and I may not agree, but that's a bit over the line to suggest this is someone she'd support.

[lita456]

Originally posted by Searching
Hey Lita. Don't mean to needle you or inject any discomfort but did you hear that one of those illegals you're so proud of gets their last free taxpayers ride tonight. Must be a pretty exciting ride. They strap him down and wheel him around and when it's over he gets to take a dirt nap. Just think he got to live 14 years longer than those two teenage girls he and his pals raped, stomped and murdered. I hear that for his last meal he's asking for :chicken: tacos. Seems appropriate. [/*]


What are you? A comedian?

I don't support illegal immigrants who commit heinous crimes. If you knew anything about me and my posts, you would know that.

JMOO

:rolleyes:

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn



Searchng I was just going to post something like this but you beat me to it.:beer: [/*]


Yeah, you would Ovr. You would.

JMOO

:punch:

[lita456]

Originally posted by Rangerx1



Lita and I may not agree, but that's a bit over the line to suggest this is someone she'd support. [/*]



:patriot:


I salute you Ranger. Thank you.

At least someone can be honest.

JMOO

[st777jo]

Originally posted by Rangerx1



Lita and I may not agree, but that's a bit over the line to suggest this is someone she'd support. [/*]

I don't believe she would knowingly support someone like that, but then we don't really know nothing about the ones she does support, because we or the gov't. don't really know who or what they really are, right? Besides being illegal, that is.

[lita456]

Originally posted by st777jo


I don't believe she would knowingly support someone like that, but then we don't really know nothing about the ones she does support, because we or the gov't. don't really know who or what they really are, right? Besides being illegal, that is. [/*]


Are you trying to be so evasive Jo so you don't cross the proverbial line of being non-dedicated to you group?

JMOO

[st777jo]

Originally posted by lita456



Are you trying to be so evasive Jo so you don't cross the proverbial line of being non-dedicated to you group?

JMOO [/*]

Unless you are with the ones you do support 24/7 or know intimately, then you really don't know them, do you? And I am only talking about one here, but you talk many. So, by going on what you say, how do you really know?

[lita456]

Originally posted by st777jo


Unless you are with the ones you do support 24/7 or know intimately, then you really don't know them, do you? And I am only talking about one here, but you talk many. So, by going on what you say, how do you really know? [/*]


No it does not mean that. It's about listening and learning and having an open mind; something you obviously don't have.

Sorry.

:shrug:

JMOO

[st777jo]

Originally posted by lita456



No it does not mean that. It's about listening and learning and having an open mind; something you obviously don't have.

Sorry.

:shrug:

JMOO [/*]

Then I guess you have a lot of catching up to do, so you better get on the ball.

[lita456]

Originally posted by Searching
Therein is the problem. You jump around so much with your support it is hard to tell. IMO your support may be disingenuous. It appears that you want to cherry pick which illegals you support. If you claim not to support illegals that commit crimes how can you support any illegal when they start out with a criminal act. Makes no sense. BTW do you also support the illegal Irish in Boston. Or do you discriminate.:patriot: [/*]


I don't jump around, I have, over and over again, posted the type of people I support. There aren't just one or two, there are hundreds.

I said I do not support illegal immigrants who commit heinous crimes.
HEINOUS crimes. Do I need to post the dictionary definition for you? The people I support only crossed the border and if need be, they can pay the fine for that and try to lead a normal life here if offered a path to legalization with stipulations of course.

JMOO

[st777jo]

Originally posted by lita456



I don't jump around, I have, over and over again, posted the type of people I support. There aren't just one or two, there are hundreds.

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JMOO [/*]

Hundreds? As I asked before, if you are not with these hundreds 24/7 or aren't intimately involved, how do you know exactly what these hundreds have done, besides illegally being here?

So if this executed guy was never caught, then he would be included in your hundreds that just came over for a better life, right?

[lita456]

Originally posted by st777jo


Hundreds? As I asked before, if you are not with these hundreds 24/7 or aren't intimately involved, how do you know exactly what these hundreds have done, besides illegally being here?

So if this executed guy was never caught, then he would be included in your hundreds that just came over for a better life, right? [/*]


I don't know his history whatsoever.

JMOO

[st777jo]

Originally posted by lita456



I don't know his history whatsoever.

JMOO [/*]

What was that you said about my reading comprehension?

[lita456]

Originally posted by st777jo


What was that you said about my reading comprehension? [/*]


That was written before I saw that thread.

:rolleyes:

JMOO

[vonna]

Originally posted by Searching
Therein is the problem. You jump around so much with your support it is hard to tell. IMO your support may be disingenuous. It appears that you want to cherry pick which illegals you support. If you claim not to support illegals that commit crimes how can you support any illegal when they start out with a criminal act. Makes no sense. BTW do you also support the illegal Irish in Boston. Or do you discriminate.:patriot: [/*]

What part of illegal don't you people understand? I don't support any law breaker.

[st777jo]

Originally posted by lita456



That was written before I saw that thread.

:rolleyes:

JMOO [/*]

Here Lita, lets try this again, shall we?


quote:
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Originally posted by lita456



I don't jump around, I have, over and over again, posted the type of people I support. There aren't just one or two, there are hundreds.

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JMOO [/*]
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Hundreds? As I asked before, if you are not with these hundreds 24/7 or aren't intimately involved, how do you know exactly what these hundreds have done, besides illegally being here?

So if this executed guy was never caught, then he would be included in your hundreds that just came over for a better life, right?

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Can you answer it now?

[lita456]

Originally posted by st777jo


Here Lita, lets try this again, shall we?


quote:
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Originally posted by lita456



I don't jump around, I have, over and over again, posted the type of people I support. There aren't just one or two, there are hundreds.

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JMOO [/*]
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Hundreds? As I asked before, if you are not with these hundreds 24/7 or aren't intimately involved, how do you know exactly what these hundreds have done, besides illegally being here?

So if this executed guy was never caught, then he would be included in your hundreds that just came over for a better life, right?

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Can you answer it now? [/*]


Jesus.

I don't have to give you the details of my personal life now do I Jo?

It's my business, not yours nor anyone else on this forum.

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by Searching
I do not think they are interested in the details of your personal ilife. I know I'm not. Sounds to me like they are just asking another simple ? for which you have no answer.JMO:hat: [/*]


I never asked if you were interested did I? No. I didn't.

I have given my answer regarding the people I support.

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



Jesus.

I don't have to give you the details of my personal life now do I Jo?

It's my business, not yours nor anyone else on this forum.

JMOO [/*]

What in the world does your personal life have to do with what jo asked you? I know the answer to that question..Nothing!!!

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


What in the world does your personal life have to do with what jo asked you? I know the answer to that question..Nothing!!! [/*]


She's asking about how I would know all this from illegal immigrants, so she's basically asking me do I hang out with them 24/7? How do I know them? It's none of her freaking business and it's not yours either. What I post is opinionated.

JMOO

[st777jo]

Originally posted by lita456



She's asking about how I would know all this from illegal immigrants, so she's basically asking me do I hang out with them 24/7? How do I know them? It's none of her freaking business and it's not yours either. What I post is opinionated.

JMOO [/*]

If what you post is all opinionated, then what happened to your "sources"? You post on here about the "people you support" as if its a fact. When its really not.
Your reply here just goes to show you know nothing about the "people you support". All your doing is hoping your right.
So, IMO, all the post you made, mean nothing, zilch, because you don't know any of these "people you support" and apparently neither does your "sources".

So post away, Lita, as far as I'm concerned, your all talk.

[lita456]

Originally posted by st777jo


If what you post is all opinionated, then what happened to your "sources"? You post on here about the "people you support" as if its a fact. When its really not.
Your reply here just goes to show you know nothing about the "people you support". All your doing is hoping your right.
So, IMO, all the post you made, mean nothing, zilch, because you don't know any of these "people you support" and apparently neither does your "sources".

So post away, Lita, as far as I'm concerned, your all talk. [/*]


I do have sources believe it or not. Anything I post are my words after what others have told me. I'm not gonna lie about it, why would I?

I'm all talk? LOL - whatever Jo. It's not like you ever had one ounce of interest in what I posted anyway, so why so upset?

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by Searching
Another typical nonanswer IMO. Also the same old worn out tactic of can't answer the ? so turn it back on the person asking. How tiresome and boring JMO. :seeya: [/*]


Yah, I've answered every question I have seen asked of me and if you want to talk about typical answers, take a look at a majority of your group's posts - same ole.



:lol: Yah ok, your one to talk.

JMOO

[st777jo]

Originally posted by lita456



I do have sources believe it or not. Anything I post are my words after what others have told me. I'm not gonna lie about it, why would I?

I'm all talk? LOL - whatever Jo. It's not like you ever had one ounce of interest in what I posted anyway, so why so upset?

JMOO [/*]

1) I've read 99% of what you wrote

2) I'm not upset. Whatever made you assume that?

3) IMO, you're only on here to play the underdog. If that weren't so you would respond to questions asked. Instead you reply with questions. You have no sources or stories to back up your claim of why or how you go about picking and choosing who you
support.

4) IMO, your boring with your same ole, same ole.

[lita456]

Originally posted by st777jo


1) I've read 99% of what you wrote

2) I'm not upset. Whatever made you assume that?

3) IMO, you're only on here to play the underdog. If that weren't so you would respond to questions asked. Instead you reply with questions. You have no sources or stories to back up your claim of why or how you go about picking and choosing who you
support.

4) IMO, your boring with your same ole, same ole. [/*]


And therein lies your reading comprehension problem, once again. I've posted numerous links, articles, etc., to backup what I say. I'm not playing anything. If you don't like what I write Jo, put me on ignore.

JMOO

[st777jo]

Originally posted by lita456



And therein lies your reading comprehension problem, once again. I've posted numerous links, articles, etc., to backup what I say. I'm not playing anything. If you don't like what I write Jo, put me on ignore.

JMOO [/*]

Why would I put you on ignore. Even I need a good laugh every now and then.

My comprehension and memory is still intact. Is yours?

[lita456]

Originally posted by st777jo


Why would I put you on ignore. Even I need a good laugh every now and then.

My comprehension and memory is still intact. Is yours? [/*]




Well stop complaining about how bored you are with my posts.

Although I don't think you really are. I think you hate the fact that you know I'm right. Isn't that so Jo?

JMOO



:lol:

[st777jo]

Originally posted by lita456





Well stop complaining about how bored you are with my posts.

Although I don't think you really are. I think you hate the fact that you know I'm right. Isn't that so Jo?

JMOO



:lol: [/*]

You are boring. And I laugh because you never have anything substantial to say. As I said, same ole, same ole. As for your comprehension, I am laughing at you, not with you. Got it?

As for you being right, only in your mind, Lita.

[lita456]

Originally posted by st777jo


You are boring. And I laugh because you never have anything substantial to say. As I said, same ole, same ole. As for your comprehension, I am laughing at you, not with you. Got it?

As for you being right, only in your mind, Lita. [/*]



Feelings are mutual.

JMOO

hammer

[st777jo]

Originally posted by lita456




Feelings are mutual.

JMOO

hammer [/*]

I believe some people are what they call right fighters. They are unable to stop until their adversary says they are right. I believe it could be a mild personality glitch.

[vonna]

How off topic can you people get?????

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



She's asking about how I would know all this from illegal immigrants, so she's basically asking me do I hang out with them 24/7? How do I know them? It's none of her freaking business and it's not yours either. What I post is opinionated.

JMOO [/*]

If you didn't make it sound as if you personally knew all these illegal immigrants that you support, and how they have spent every minute of every day that they have been in this country illegally, then she would not have asked. So it is what you said in your post that gave her reason to ask.
Also I could give a rat's hairy a** about your personal life.

[lita456]

Originally posted by st777jo


I believe some people are what they call right fighters. They are unable to stop until their adversary says they are right. I believe it could be a mild personality glitch. [/*]


Is that what your calling me? Believe me, the only thing I want to do is to make you think about what I'm telling you, I most certainly don't want you to say something that you don't believe in.

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


If you didn't make it sound as if you personally knew all these illegal immigrants that you support, and how they have spent every minute of every day that they have been in this country illegally, then she would not have asked. So it is what you said in your post that gave her reason to ask.
Also I could give a rat's hairy a** about your personal life. [/*]


:lol: hairy a**???? LOL. Ok, that's a new one.

I have said how they spend every minute of every day that they have been in this country? I don't think so, nice try though Ovr.

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



:lol: hairy a**???? LOL. Ok, that's a new one.

I have said how they spend every minute of every day that they have been in this country? I don't think so, nice try though Ovr.

JMOO [/*]

Maybe you are having a hard time reading word for word what I said since I said that you make it "sound" not that you "said".

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


Maybe you are having a hard time reading word for word what I said since I said that you make it "sound" not that you "said". [/*]


Well then stop over exaggerating.

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



Well then stop over exaggerating.

JMOO [/*]

lita you are the one who words your posts to make it sound as if you know for a fact that the group of illegal immigrants, that you support, have not broken any other law other than the one of entering this country illegally and that they are only doing the jobs we "LAZY" Americans won't do. If any one over exaggerates it is YOU.
What I don't understand why you just won't admit that you really don't know anything about the group of illegal immigrants that you support other than they have been in this country illegally the longest.

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


lita you are the one who words your posts to make it sound as if you know for a fact that the group of illegal immigrants, that you support, have not broken any other law other than the one of entering this country illegally and that they are only doing the jobs we "LAZY" Americans won't do. If any one over exaggerates it is YOU.
What I don't understand why you just won't admit that you really don't know anything about the group of illegal immigrants that you support other than they have been in this country illegally the longest. [/*]


I do know as a fact. Why the hell do you think I would be sitting here day after day, supporting a certain group of illegal immigrants, getting bashed, namecalled and ridiculed if I didn't really know? Do you think I just pulled it out of thin air? I have given links to support what I say but nnnnooooooooo. It's either an editorial piece, an article that is over a month old or it's something from a pro website! Even if I had an illegal immigrant on here posting, supporting what I say, it wouldn't change a damn thing so what's the point?

No matter what I say, it will not change the fact that you and everyone else on this illegal immigration forum are not willing to give a chance to people who deserve it, who've earned it. Your mindset is that they have all broken several laws, they take jobs from americans; americans who don't even want those jobs! If it weren't so sad, it would be laughable.

JMOO

[Rangerx1]

Originally posted by lita456



I do know as a fact. Why the hell do you think I would be sitting here day after day, supporting a certain group of illegal immigrants, getting bashed, namecalled and ridiculed if I didn't really know? Do you think I just pulled it out of thin air? I have given links to support what I say but nnnnooooooooo. It's either an editorial piece, an article that is over a month old or it's something from a pro website! Even if I had an illegal immigrant on here posting, supporting what I say, it wouldn't change a damn thing so what's the point?

No matter what I say, it will not change the fact that you and everyone else on this illegal immigration forum are not willing to give a chance to people who deserve it, who've earned it. Your mindset is that they have all broken several laws, they take jobs from americans; americans who don't even want those jobs! If it weren't so sad, it would be laughable.

JMOO [/*]

They do have a chance. Procedures are in place to apply to come here. As far as earning it, what have they earned? Just because they worked, while breaking the law to work I may add. I've worked for over 20 years. What have I earned besides the pay check I get every week? Do I get some special consideration? You act as if they have only broken 1 law in coming here. How many people can you actually say that have been here over 20 years have done nothing more than cross the border? As for the jobs they work, we've shown time and time again that Americans do these jobs and only require they pay a reasonable wage.

Lita, you continue to ignore anything that has been posted and see your group through the blinders you wear. The day they showed up here, they showed they were willing to break the law. Is that what you want to laugh at?

[lita456]

Originally posted by Rangerx1


They do have a chance. Procedures are in place to apply to come here. As far as earning it, what have they earned? Just because they worked, while breaking the law to work I may add. I've worked for over 20 years. What have I earned besides the pay check I get every week? Do I get some special consideration? You act as if they have only broken 1 law in coming here. How many people can you actually say that have been here over 20 years have done nothing more than cross the border? As for the jobs they work, we've shown time and time again that Americans do these jobs and only require they pay a reasonable wage.

Lita, you continue to ignore anything that has been posted and see your group through the blinders you wear. The day they showed up here, they showed they were willing to break the law. Is that what you want to laugh at? [/*]


They have earned my respect after going through everything they go through just trying to survive. They don't even know day to day whether they will make money for the week to put food on the table; something you would know nothing about since you do get paid every week. You have a pension, unemployment benefits, health benefits, tax refunds, etc. They don't get that.

I'm not ignoring anything Ranger. They showed up here is right, and nothing was done. They were allowed to stay with no repercussions and they build their lives here because of that. Now that it's out of control these same people need to leave?

It's just wrong, it's immoral.

JMOO

[st777jo]

Originally posted by lita456



They have earned my respect after going through everything they go through just trying to survive. They don't even know day to day whether they will make money for the week to put food on the table; something you would know nothing about since you do get paid every week. You have a pension, unemployment benefits, health benefits, tax refunds, etc. They don't get that.

I'm not ignoring anything Ranger. They showed up here is right, and nothing was done. They were allowed to stay with no repercussions and they build their lives here because of that. Now that it's out of control these same people need to leave?

It's just wrong, it's immoral.

JMOO [/*]

Where is your respect for our own people who don't know if they can put food on their table? We have millions unemployed, we have single parents working mininum paying jobs. Why should illegals get preferential treatment over our own people? Don't you think we should have our tax dollars supporting our own people first? Your right, its just wrong, and its immoral to put illegals before your own people.

In todays world, I didn't know that all jobs came with all those bennies you talk about. I know my husbands job doesn't. And he's legal.

[Rangerx1]

Originally posted by lita456



They have earned my respect after going through everything they go through just trying to survive. They don't even know day to day whether they will make money for the week to put food on the table; something you would know nothing about since you do get paid every week. You have a pension, unemployment benefits, health benefits, tax refunds, etc. They don't get that.

I'm not ignoring anything Ranger. They showed up here is right, and nothing was done. They were allowed to stay with no repercussions and they build their lives here because of that. Now that it's out of control these same people need to leave?

It's just wrong, it's immoral.

JMOO [/*]

The things you talk about are because I work within the law! If I worked under the table or used someone else's identity, how much of that would I be getting?

They weren't allowed to stay, they hid. And not enough was done to find them. That is being rectified. So yes, these people that have been circumventing the law need to atone for their actions that put them in this place. Again, their actions. They did it. Facing the consequences of breaking the law is right. Continuing to break the law knowingly is the immoral action.

[lita456]

Originally posted by Rangerx1


The things you talk about are because I work within the law! If I worked under the table or used someone else's identity, how much of that would I be getting?

They weren't allowed to stay, they hid. And not enough was done to find them. That is being rectified. So yes, these people that have been circumventing the law need to atone for their actions that put them in this place. Again, their actions. They did it. Facing the consequences of breaking the law is right. Continuing to break the law knowingly is the immoral action. [/*]


When you don't know where your next dollar is coming from I'd say that's scary. You get paid, if you lose your job, you have unemployment, you have resources to get what you need. It may be tough, but you would have it a hell of alot easier than they do.

Please do not compare yourself to them.

JMOO

[Rangerx1]

Originally posted by lita456



When you don't know where your next dollar is coming from I'd say that's scary. You get paid, if you lose your job, you have unemployment, you have resources to get what you need. It may be tough, but you would have it a hell of alot easier than they do.

Please do not compare yourself to them.

JMOO [/*]


Compare myself to them? Where? By saying if I ignored the laws of the country I'm supposedly building? Not at all! I work within the law. I don't go to another country, break their laws and expect to be rewarded for it.

That's good though. Keep pulling things out of nowhere and maybe you'll hit something valid!

[st777jo]

Originally posted by lita456



When you don't know where your next dollar is coming from I'd say that's scary. You get paid, if you lose your job, you have unemployment, you have resources to get what you need. It may be tough, but you would have it a hell of alot easier than they do.

Please do not compare yourself to them.

JMOO [/*]

I'm sure our struggling and homeless people would love for you to walk a mile in their shoes. I wonder how many of them would also love to be able to get their hands on some of the money illegals pay to coyotes.

As usual, your priorities suck.

[lita456]

Originally posted by st777jo


I'm sure our struggling and homeless people would love for you to walk a mile in their shoes. I wonder how many of them would also love to be able to get their hands on some of the money illegals pay to coyotes.

As usual, your priorities suck. [/*]


There are programs for our homeless, it is not like they don't have anywhere to go. They also are american! No need to look over your shoulders 24/7.

Walk a mile in their shoes? I'm sure they know what it's like to scrape together money or food just to survive as any illegal immigrant would. They are closer than you think.

JMOO

[st777jo]

Originally posted by lita456



There are programs for our homeless, it is not like they don't have anywhere to go. They also are american! No need to look over your shoulders 24/7.

Walk a mile in their shoes? I'm sure they know what it's like to scrape together money or food just to survive as any illegal immigrant would. They are closer than you think.

JMOO [/*]

I'm sure the people they took from the hospitals appreciate that program where they dumped them on the sidewalk. I wonder if you would that program?

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



There are programs for our homeless, it is not like they don't have anywhere to go. They also are american! No need to look over your shoulders 24/7.

Walk a mile in their shoes? I'm sure they know what it's like to scrape together money or food just to survive as any illegal immigrant would. They are closer than you think.

JMOO [/*]


Wow your head goes deeper and deeper into the sand every single time you post. Soon all that will be sticking out of the sand are your toes.

[lita456]

Originally posted by st777jo


I'm sure the people they took from the hospitals appreciate that program where they dumped them on the sidewalk. I wonder if you would that program? [/*]


You wonder if I would what?

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn



Wow your head goes deeper and deeper into the sand every single time you post. Soon all that will be sticking out of the sand are your toes. [/*]


In your opinion and it doesn't phase me.

JMOO

[st777jo]

quote:
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Originally posted by st777jo


I'm sure the people they took from the hospitals appreciate that program where they dumped them on the sidewalk. I wonder if you would that program? [/*]
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You wonder if I would what?

Ooops!!

I wonder if you would like being in that program, anythings possible right?

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



In your opinion and it doesn't phase me.

JMOO [/*]

It isnt just my opinion, it is a fact.

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


It isnt just my opinion, it is a fact. [/*]


It's your opinion Ovr - how about getting OVR yourself? Sheesh.

JMOO

:punch:

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



It's your opinion Ovr - how about getting OVR yourself? Sheesh.

JMOO

:punch: [/*]

No No you are wrong since your posts are solid proof that your head is buried in the sand.

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Searching
I'm not sure it's sand. But it could be up somwhere else.JMO:cool: [/*][/QUOTE

:beer:

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by Guernica

Thank you. I reside in a state where costs to the taxpayers for illegal aliens are a HUGE problem; therefore, I am particularly interested in this topic.

And, as is shown over and over, states nowhere near the Mexican border are seeing taxpayer dollars to support illegal aliens growing by leaps and bounds. ANOTHER Amnesty Program is NOT the solution. Here are some more facts and figures for New Jersey found in my research.


Sure, many of them hold jobs and are hard working, BUT:

"Welfare Use by Working Immigrant Families: Most immigrants from Mexico and Latin America hold jobs. Their heavy use of the welfare system is due to the fact that a very large share have LITTLE EDUCATION and as a result are able to earn only low incomes in the modern American economy, even though they work. The welfare system is geared toward helping low-income workers, especially those with children. Their education levels and the presence of U.S.-born children means welfare use will be extensive."


Sure, some of them pay taxes, BUT:

"Tax Payments: Of course, immigrants, including illegal aliens, also pay taxes. However, because of the education level and resulting incomes levels of Mexican and Latin American immigrants, their tax payments are much less than natives on average. The same is true for illegal aliens. In a 2004 study, the Center for Immigration Studies estimated that illegal alien households used about $2,700 more services than they paid in taxes at the federal level only. We also found that households headed by a legal Mexican immigrant created a net fiscal drain at the federal level of roughly $15,000, and for those with only a high school degree the drain was a little over $3,700."

Full text at this link: http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/welfarerelease.html


Speaking of education levels, it is obvious by what is shown below that education is NOT a priority in the culture of some groups:

New Jersey Demographics: http://www.locationnj.com/Demog_NJ_General.asp

Most recently available and rounded off to the nearest whole percentage, the population demographics for New Jersey are:

White: 71%
Black: 14%
Hispanic: 14%
Other 1%


New Jersey State Department of Education: http://www.locationnj.com/Demog_NJ_General.asp

2006-2007 Dropout Rates (K-12); rounded off to the nearest whole percentage, the figures are as follows:

White: 33%
Black: 31%
Hispanic: 33%
Other: 3%


The figures speak for themselves. [/*]

I wonder why the numbers dont speak to lita since she is in New Jersey too. Hmmmm her head must be buried so deep that she can't hear them :D

[lita456]

Originally posted by Guernica

Thank you. I reside in a state where costs to the taxpayers for illegal aliens are a HUGE problem; therefore, I am particularly interested in this topic.

And, as is shown over and over, states nowhere near the Mexican border are seeing taxpayer dollars to support illegal aliens growing by leaps and bounds. ANOTHER Amnesty Program is NOT the solution. Here are some more facts and figures for New Jersey found in my research.


Sure, many of them hold jobs and are hard working, BUT:

"Welfare Use by Working Immigrant Families: Most immigrants from Mexico and Latin America hold jobs. Their heavy use of the welfare system is due to the fact that a very large share have LITTLE EDUCATION and as a result are able to earn only low incomes in the modern American economy, even though they work. The welfare system is geared toward helping low-income workers, especially those with children. Their education levels and the presence of U.S.-born children means welfare use will be extensive."


Sure, some of them pay taxes, BUT:

"Tax Payments: Of course, immigrants, including illegal aliens, also pay taxes. However, because of the education level and resulting incomes levels of Mexican and Latin American immigrants, their tax payments are much less than natives on average. The same is true for illegal aliens. In a 2004 study, the Center for Immigration Studies estimated that illegal alien households used about $2,700 more services than they paid in taxes at the federal level only. We also found that households headed by a legal Mexican immigrant created a net fiscal drain at the federal level of roughly $15,000, and for those with only a high school degree the drain was a little over $3,700."

Full text at this link: http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/welfarerelease.html


Speaking of education levels, it is obvious by what is shown below that education is NOT a priority in the culture of some groups:

New Jersey Demographics: http://www.locationnj.com/Demog_NJ_General.asp

Most recently available and rounded off to the nearest whole percentage, the population demographics for New Jersey are:

White: 71%
Black: 14%
Hispanic: 14%
Other 1%


New Jersey State Department of Education: http://www.locationnj.com/Demog_NJ_General.asp

2006-2007 Dropout Rates (K-12); rounded off to the nearest whole percentage, the figures are as follows:

White: 33%
Black: 31%
Hispanic: 33%
Other: 3%


The figures speak for themselves. [/*]


illegal immigrants can't collect welfare - or is this about legal immigrants?

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



illegal immigrants can't collect welfare - or is this about legal immigrants? [/*]

They are not suppose to be able to collect welfare but they do and that has been proven so many times on here that I lost count.

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


They are not suppose to be able to collect welfare but they do and that has been proven so many times on here that I lost count. [/*]


Has nothing to do with the people I support.

JMOO

[st777jo]

I have to say:

Thank you all. As far as I am concerned, Lita is a waste of time and energy, as you all have spelled it out, time & time again, exactly how illegal immigration has affected all legal Americans.

[Rangerx1]

And the issues for teens getting jobs gets worse all the time.

The uncomfortable reality, as Andrew Sum sees it, is that there's a direct link between the steep national decline in teen employment rates and the growing practice of businesses hiring illegal immigrants and paying them off the books.

Sum is the director of the Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University and lead author of a widely cited nationwide study projecting teen employment will continue to fall, with a drop to 36.7 percent this summer from 45 percent in 2000. That puts it at or near its lowest level since the data series began in 1948, despite a strengthening economy and improving overall labor market.


http://www.detnews.com/2005/business/0507/23/biz-256543.htm

[lita456]

Originally posted by Guernica

They can't? As 'ovrandovragin' said ... they are not supposed to but THEY DO using a variety of methods -- by collecting on behalf of their anchor children and some by using forged or stolen documents. California is seeing it happen in ever increasing dollars; millions of dollars each and every month.

Here's a statement from Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael Antonovich:

"WELFARE COSTS FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS IN L.A. COUNTY OVER $36 MILLION IN JANUARY 2008

New statistics from the Department of Public Social Services reveal that illegal aliens and their families in Los Angeles County collected over $36 million in welfare and food stamp allocations in January 2008.

25% of all welfare and food stamps benefits is going directly to the children of illegal aliens. Illegals collected over $19 million in welfare assistance in January 2008, and over $16 million in monthly food stamp allocations, for a projected annual cost of $412 million.

“Illegal immigration continues to have a devastating impact on Los Angeles County taxpayers,” said Antonovich. “With $220 million for public safety, $400 million for healthcare, and $412 million in welfare allocations, the total cost for illegal immigrants to Los Angeles County taxpayers far exceeds $1 billion a year – NOT including the millions of dollars for education.”
* * * * * * * * * * * *

If you do not think this is happening in New Jersey on a smaller scale you are kidding yourself.

I, as well as other readers of this thread, take note that your single sentence above was the only reply to some serious research and statistics.

And your recent comment, "Has nothing to do with the people I support, " is telling, indeed.

You have been asked several times to identify who 'the people you support' are and you refuse to answer in even the most general terms.
No one here knows if you philosophically 'support a single family' of illegals or are a paid/volunteer spokesperson for a group that has convinced you they need your sympathy. For all anyone here knows you could be an illegal alien yourself.

Today you have shown to me at least that your mind is closed to facts, statistics and publications from linked sources. Your replies often consist of off hand comments that aren't even worthy of an 8th grader. You throw out the racial card whenever it suits you and you are miffed.

There is no reason for me or anyone else to try to conduct a serious exhange of ideas with you. [/*]


Actually it was a valid question. Just because it wasn’t a full page question does not mean it wasn’t valid. The group I support does not use forged docments to collect welfare. If anything, they may collect on a child they had here in the US and that is it. Your research really doesn't phase me one bit. I, too, have done plenty of research and what I've found only confirms my beliefs, that we need a revamped immigration system and it also has shown me how american citizens are so easily apt to condemn another human being for trying to have better life with no stipulations but deportation for these people. It makes me sick.

As far as the people I support, I’ve been posting about them since day one, and up until Jo wanted to know who these people are, no one gave a crap about the group I support because she and everyone else on this board threw illegal immigrants into one entire group. They never gave a crap they helped build this country, that they do in fact pay into the system, that they do speak fluent English. I’ve given my stories on how I know these people. I don’t know what you want. You want real names? Pictures? What? So freaking ridiculous. I have told the truth, it’s up to you whether or not you believe me either way and if statistics show, you won’t give a crap either, so what is the point? But they are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS who do not fall into your murderous, scandalous, raping, robbing, human beings category.

I have again reiterated I am not an illegal alien. I am an American citizen I was born here and I am not Hispanic. Again, it’s up to you if you want to believe me or not.

My mind isn’t closed, but it is closed to repetitive, one sided, links that only support your point of view. I have always stated close the borders, I have read and listened to each and every argument. The situation is this: I DON”T AGREE WITH YOU. I don’t care if you think I’m in kindergarten, I’m only trying to get my point across as well as you, and obviously, there’s more than one mind or one avenue closed on this thread if you want to take that path, at the very least, at least I listen and if I agree, I will state that I do. I don’t push anyone away who at least is humble, fair, and is just willing to listen. I’ve been called all sorts of names on this forum, you are no different and that’s sad.

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by st777jo
I have to say:

Thank you all. As far as I am concerned, Lita is a waste of time and energy, as you all have spelled it out, time & time again, exactly how illegal immigration has affected all legal Americans. [/*]


:seeya:

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



Has nothing to do with the people I support.

JMOO [/*]


You do not know if any of the illegal immigrants that you support have not or do not collect welfare.

[Rangerx1]

Originally posted by Brat2002


Mexico has the ability to change things so they can help their own citizens, but will never have the desire if we keep picking up the slack for them. The way it is, they have become so greedy that the welfare of their own low and middle class fell to the bottom of the priority list. Our leaders should be more focused on convincing the Mexican government to do the right thing rather than finding more ways to break the backs of the US taxpayers. Who is going to come to our rescue? [/*]


Why would they when they have built up an atmosphere that sends their citizens to work in the US illegally, and then send the money back to be spent in their economy?

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn



You do not know if any of the illegal immigrants that you support have not or do not collect welfare. [/*]

Really Ovr? And how do you know? Enlighten me please.

JMOO

:rolleyes:

[lita456]

Originally posted by Brat2002


She stated that some get it because of their children. lita probably cringes at the term "anchor baby", but that's how illegals get welfare. If a baby's mother is here illegally, then the baby shouldn't be considered a citizen.

Even citizens have to fill out paperwork, apply for a social security number, etc. when their child is born to make sure everything is in order. Can you imagine how far we'd get if we tried to get the shortcuts that illegals do? I can't fathom applying for a loan without giving my life's history to the loan officer, or worse yet, applying with a fake identity. I'd go directly to jail.

I noticed when I register my kids for school each year that there is a section asking about citizenship. If you check "no", then it seems you don't have to fill out all the info. That would be so much easier and cheaper. I should check the "no" box and maybe my kids will get free schooling. Might not get caught since if you're here illegally, the policy is for them to look the other way.

Naw, on second thought, I can't break the law because I respect this country and it's people. Besides, I speak English and that would be a dead give away.

Mexico has the ability to change things so they can help their own citizens, but will never have the desire if we keep picking up the slack for them. The way it is, they have become so greedy that the welfare of their own low and middle class fell to the bottom of the priority list. Our leaders should be more focused on convincing the Mexican government to do the right thing rather than finding more ways to break the backs of the US taxpayers. Who is going to come to our rescue? [/*]


As I said, when I feel someone is right, I'll say it. It's true, I don't like the term "anchor baby". I just don't like it. It's not their fault they were born here. It's not their fault their parents may have to collect welfare to survive. Why blame the children? Anchor baby is a derogatory term and shouldn't be applied to these innocent children.

Hmmm. Wonder how you feel about america bringing in the Iraqi's? Guess that's ok because their country is going through a hardship right? But hey, even though some Mexicans, or a south american country, etc. aren't going through hardships at all are they? Nope. I would also surmise the Iraqi's will be let in just as they did many many years ago, with their names on a piece of paper and a health exam.

JMOO

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456


Really Ovr? And how do you know? Enlighten me please.

JMOO

:rolleyes: [/*]


How many illegal immigrants are in this group that you support lita?

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



As I said, when I feel someone is right, I'll say it. It's true, I don't like the term "anchor baby". I just don't like it. It's not their fault they were born here. It's not their fault their parents may have to collect welfare to survive. Why blame the children? Anchor baby is a derogatory term and shouldn't be applied to these innocent children.

Hmmm. Wonder how you feel about america bringing in the Iraqi's? Guess that's ok because their country is going through a hardship right? But hey, even though some Mexicans, or a south american country, etc. aren't going through hardships at all are they? Nope. I would also surmise the Iraqi's will be let in just as they did many many years ago, with their names on a piece of paper and a health exam.

JMOO

JMOO [/*]

Then you are saying it is the parents fault for coming here to give birth?
We never should have gone to Iraq and we have to take responsibility for what we have done.

[lita456]

Originally posted by herlock h.


Lita, it seems as though you regularly treat these illegal aliens as if they are mentally challenged. You say things such as "it's not their fault, they can't help it, etc." Why do you feel as though they aren't quite as bright, as clever, as knowledgeable as real citizens? I would like to hold everyone to the same standard. These people aren't stupid, I believe they know right from wrong. It is because I would like to treat all humans as equals that I believe they should be held responsible and accountable for their misdeeds. Treating them as subhuman is really doing them a disservice. Perhaps if you expect the best from everyone, they would rise to the occasion. Treating certain groups of people as though they are inept and incompetent is just another form of oppression.

Herlock [/*]


They are not mentally challenged, that was asinine for you to say. How are they supposed to do anything, when they are shunned wherever they go? No paperwork, nothing. You tell me ole wise one.

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



They are not mentally challenged, that was asinine for you to say. How are they supposed to do anything, when they are shunned wherever they go? No paperwork, nothing. You tell me ole wise one.

JMOO [/*]

You are joking right? Please say you are because I can not see someone post something this ridiculous and not be joking.

[Rangerx1]

So now it's our fault they're here illegally and feel uncomfortable? Wow, you get better and better Lita!

[lita456]

Originally posted by herlock h.


There! You're doing it again (note the correct use of the apostrophe). I quote, "How are they supposed to do anything..." What??!!? If this huge group of illegal immigrants is THAT challenged, why are we (as a country) expected to take care of them? Is this really the genetic base we want interwoven into our country? I would much prefer the best and brightest. Of course, that they are "challenged" is NOT what I believe but seems to be what you think. I believe they are perfectly capable of navigating our system. Many just refuse. They are practiced and adept at maneuvering outside the legal boundaries (no easy task!) while other determined immigrants choose to do the right thing.

Nope, I say, hold them to the same standard that we hold others to. It's the right thing to do. When held to those same requirements that everyone else is, imagine the satisfaction, the pride they would feel when accomplishing this task. Perhaps they would discover a respect for the USA that has sadly been lacking.

Herlock [/*]


So what Herlock? I'm one voice who joins many voices in support of illegal immigrants. I'm not the only one, you know that right?
:rolleyes:

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by Brat2002
I like the way lita gets angry at the mentally challenged question, then goes on to ask how they are supposed to do anything. Again, lita is the one who implies that they are challenged, not us.

We have have millions of legal immigrants who had no trouble figuring out how to come here and how to build themselves a great life.

The illegals aren't stupid, but just need help to get around the laws and avoid getting caught. Look at everything they've gotten away with. You have to be smart to play the system to the extent they have.

In the long run, the only thing holding the illegals back is themselves. Even though applying for citizenship takes a long time, they don't even bother to get work visas. I think it's because a good number of them want no part of us and just want to take advantage of anything here that benefits them before returning to the country they love. [/*]


You are so wrong, and you continue to put down a person who is in support for a group that needs help regarding a system that needs their immigration laws changed.

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



You are so wrong, and you continue to put down a person who is in support for a group that needs help regarding a system that needs their immigration laws changed.

JMOO [/*]

Our immigration laws should not be changed just because the "group" you support are to lazy to go through the process or don't want to go through the process because they believe this land belongs to them and will be theirs again one day.

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


Our immigration laws should not be changed just because the "group" you support are to lazy to go through the process or don't want to go through the process because they believe this land belongs to them and will be theirs again one day. [/*]


Lazy? Your joking right?

Have you not read any articles I have ever posted? How long the process is? Not only that, they can't even apply if they were caught one time crossing the border?

What the hell are they supposed to do?

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



Lazy? Your joking right?

Have you not read any articles I have ever posted? How long the process is? Not only that, they can't even apply if they were caught one time crossing the border?

What the hell are they supposed to do?

JMOO [/*]

Yes many of them are to lazy to take the time to go through the process that we have in place, and have had in place for a long time. American citizenship is not something that should be given a way. It is something that people should have to earn by putting time and effort into getting it. We expect our military to put their lives on the line and fight for our country, then the least we can do is be careful of who we let into our country.
You say that if they get caught crossing one time they can not apply, which is a bunch of bs. There are illegal immigrants who have crossed illegally more than ten times before they were charged with entering illegally.
What the hell are they suppose to do? THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO ENTER LEGALLY!!!! It really is not that hard to understand. Immigrants have been entering legally for a many years.
Also you have called Americans lazy but yet you get defensive when illegal immigrants are called lazy hmmm.... and you wonder why I question your loyalty to this country and your fellow Americans. Amazing.

[lita456]

Originally posted by jenny_92808
Lita,

I am curious about something. You have a Spanish nic (Lita). I am just curious....do you have roots south of the US? Or if I am wrong, then maybe you are from Spain?

I understand you want the laws to disappear, no rules....anyone can enter this country and stay. You are obviously very passionate about it. I am just wondering...what is your motivation or passion that makes you so adamant?

One theory might be...you are doing it for attention (not so sure about that theory), the other is you are passionate about Mexicans illegally coming here scott free... because you have ties to those in Mexico so you want the rules/laws discarded for the Mexicans you have ties with. How far off am I?

I would be interested in learning about your true motivation because something has to be at the root of your passionate fight over allowing illegal aliens to break our laws, entering our country, illegally. Do you think all countries should abolish laws of legal entry into their countries? Or do you just think our country should? [/*]


The thread wasn’t about leaving Americans alone, it was about leaving illegal immigrants alone when a hurricane or another act of god is threatening the lives of people. You know human beings, illegal and legal, different skin colors; again, humans who are supposed to treat other humans with respect and to show a little compassion for others who don’t have what they have? Do you know what I mean Brat or do I have to get dictionary definitions for ya? :rolleyes:

[lita456]

Originally posted by lita456



The thread wasn’t about leaving Americans alone, it was about leaving illegal immigrants alone when a hurricane or another act of god is threatening the lives of people. You know human beings, illegal and legal, different skin colors; again, humans who are supposed to treat other humans with respect and to show a little compassion for others who don’t have what they have? Do you know what I mean Brat or do I have to get dictionary definitions for ya? :rolleyes: [/*]


Sorry, this was put on Jenny's post by mistake and it was past the time limit for me to delete - so this post is directed towards Brat.

[lita456]

Originally posted by Brat2002
lita started this thread stating "Leave them alone", and if they would leave us alone, we would gladly oblige. But when we are expected to endure so much, there's no way we can go about our daily lives and ignore their presence. Their coming here has disrupted so many lives. The big companies have gotten wealthier while the working person is paying more in taxes and the jobs are going away. There is no more disputing that fact. The violence in santuary cities has chased the law abiding citizens away, many leaving the only homes they had known. Classrooms across the country are in chaos with too many languages being spoken and not enough learning.

lita seems to believe that we are the ones going out of our way to be mean for no reason. She can't understand the problems that we personally experience as a result of so many illegals coming over here. We've had enough and are not willing, or able, to pay the price of leaving them alone. If they want to be left alone, they can go home or apply to come and obey the laws of the land. As long as they are here illegally and creating hardships for us, we will fight back. [/*]


The thread wasn’t about leaving Americans alone, it was about leaving illegal immigrants alone when a hurricane or another act of god is threatening the lives of people. You know human beings, illegal and legal, different skin colors; again, humans who are supposed to treat other humans with respect and to show a little compassion for others who don’t have what they have? Do you know what I mean Brat or do I have to get dictionary definitions for ya?

[lita456]

Originally posted by jenny_92808
Lita,

I am curious about something. You have a Spanish nic (Lita). I am just curious....do you have roots south of the US? Or if I am wrong, then maybe you are from Spain?

I understand you want the laws to disappear, no rules....anyone can enter this country and stay. You are obviously very passionate about it. I am just wondering...what is your motivation or passion that makes you so adamant?

One theory might be...you are doing it for attention (not so sure about that theory), the other is you are passionate about Mexicans illegally coming here scott free... because you have ties to those in Mexico so you want the rules/laws discarded for the Mexicans you have ties with. How far off am I?

I would be interested in learning about your true motivation because something has to be at the root of your passionate fight over allowing illegal aliens to break our laws, entering our country, illegally. Do you think all countries should abolish laws of legal entry into their countries? Or do you just think our country should? [/*]

No Jenny. I am not Spanish nor do I have roots in the south. I use the nic Lita for other reasons and has it nothing to do with the name and its heritage.

I never said make the rules disappear. I have never said that. I have kept saying over and over again, which is completely overlooked by the anti’s, to “close the borders immediately”. The borders need to be closed if this problem is to be rectified. Once the borders are closed, this will allow our government to take a deep breath, get their chit together and start revamping the illegal immigration system we currently have in place. It’s a long, drawnout process, that is really unfair, not only to the people who have been waiting for years but for the people who have lived here a long time and have paid into the system. There’s nothing wrong with revamping the process, with stipulations, and everyone can live peacefully together.

I also have a problem with the anti’s “get legal” and we’re happy attitude. Because one poster who continually tells me she’s tired of the illegal immigrants taking the time up of teachers who are teaching her children who are of course American, in our public school system because, so what if illegal immigrants change their status? They are still having trouble speaking English and learning English, the teachers time will still be used teaching the “now legal immigrants”, time will still be taken away from her child. So what’s the point of all this? What difference does it make?

I am passionate about this. About the people who have worked here very hard, sometimes three jobs trying to make ends meet, who send their children to school, who are happy to be here in America and following our rules and culture. Who have contributed to our system the best they know how and not getting anything back for it. They are not taking advantage of it. They love America and only want a chance, that is all without the risk of deportation.

JMOO

[Rangerx1]

Current immigration rates are moderate, even though America admitted more legal immigrants from 1991 to 2000 (between 10-11 million) than in any previous decade.

Since 2000, legal immigrants to the United States number approximately 1,000,000 per year

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States

How many should be admitted a year Lita? There are limits, and as long as more want to come here than the limit levels, there will always be a line. You talk as if somehow the wait will go away, but that will not happen unless the limits are removed. If you figure a 5 day work week for people to approve immigrant applications, that's about 4,000 people a day.

And one more note in regards to us not doing enough to get immigrants in.....

the United States accepts more legal immigrants as permanent residents than any other country in the world

[lita456]

Originally posted by Rangerx1




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States

How many should be admitted a year Lita? There are limits, and as long as more want to come here than the limit levels, there will always be a line. You talk as if somehow the wait will go away, but that will not happen unless the limits are removed. If you figure a 5 day work week for people to approve immigrant applications, that's about 4,000 people a day.

And one more note in regards to us not doing enough to get immigrants in.....

[/*]


It wouldn't be as much if you let the right ones in. We don't want convicts, drug lords, gangs, etc. here in the US.

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456


No Jenny. I am not Spanish nor do I have roots in the south. I use the nic Lita for other reasons and has it nothing to do with the name and its heritage.

I never said make the rules disappear. I have never said that. I have kept saying over and over again, which is completely overlooked by the anti’s, to “close the borders immediately”. The borders need to be closed if this problem is to be rectified. Once the borders are closed, this will allow our government to take a deep breath, get their chit together and start revamping the illegal immigration system we currently have in place. It’s a long, drawnout process, that is really unfair, not only to the people who have been waiting for years but for the people who have lived here a long time and have paid into the system. There’s nothing wrong with revamping the process, with stipulations, and everyone can live peacefully together.

I also have a problem with the anti’s “get legal” and we’re happy attitude. Because one poster who continually tells me she’s tired of the illegal immigrants taking the time up of teachers who are teaching her children who are of course American, in our public school system because, so what if illegal immigrants change their status? They are still having trouble speaking English and learning English, the teachers time will still be used teaching the “now legal immigrants”, time will still be taken away from her child. So what’s the point of all this? What difference does it make?

I am passionate about this. About the people who have worked here very hard, sometimes three jobs trying to make ends meet, who send their children to school, who are happy to be here in America and following our rules and culture. Who have contributed to our system the best they know how and not getting anything back for it. They are not taking advantage of it. They love America and only want a chance, that is all without the risk of deportation.

JMOO [/*]


Well what poster could you be referring to? Hmmmm could it be me?
So you think if they were all to come here legally that we would still have the same amount of non English speaking children in our schools? If you do you are wrong, since there are so many entering this country illegally every day, day after day, that we are not prepared to handle such a huge increase in our population. If they would have respected our laws in the first place and taken time to go through our immigration system then we would have time to prepare for them, since we would know before hand how many were coming and the immigrants would have time to learn how to speak even a little bit of English before coming here.
Also the parents and children would be made to go through a health check before coming here. If the parents have some form of illness like TB, and they are not made to go through a health check, sooner or later their child will be infected with TB and I do not want that child sitting in the same class room as my child.
There are many reasons why we have a process and for you to think that we should let them ignore that process is putting our kids in danger. If you want to risk your child's education and health, that is your irresponsible choice, but you have no right to be that careless with every other child who is in this country legally.
I will never understand how people like you think that it is ok for illegal immigrants to skip such an important process such as our immigration process. If we all thought the way you do we would be living in a third world country for sure.
Every single illegal immigrant in this country (even the ones in your group) needs to be deported, even the ones who have worked three jobs, since if they have that many jobs then some where out there is an unemployed American citizen or legal immigrant who needs that job and more than likely had that job first, until the illegal immigrant came along and took that job. The needs of illegal immigrants do not and should not ever come before the needs of any person here legally and any American citizen who puts the needs of people here illegally first, is not loyal to this country.

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



It wouldn't be as much if you let the right ones in. We don't want convicts, drug lords, gangs, etc. here in the US. [/*]


To find out who the convicts, drug lords, gang members and etc are, takes time, which is another reason there is a waiting period. You seem to think that it is possible to get instant back ground checks on people in other countries. I for one would question our immigration process if it was as quick as you seem to think it should be.

[lita456]

Originally posted by Brat2002


This is our argument. When you talk about letting the right ones in, it means they have to go through the process so we know they are the right ones. There is the problem. Millions are here, having sneaked through our borders, and it's impossible to know who is who. And the supporters and elected officials are treating them all the same, giving the criminals the same consideration and aid as the workers. This isn't working at all. [/*]



Your argument? Do you really think I want those types here?

There are other ways they can document illegals here. First, ship home the ones that are incarcerated, second, go through all records of welfare recipients, case workers need to check them out, and their entire families, third, Mexico must give us full access to their criminal records. It's the only way to check out people. I, obviously know, there may not be a record for all of those people, but I"m sure, I'm sure, they can find some and ship them back.

As far as the people with no record and who are here, they need to be documented, monitored, very carefully.

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn



To find out who the convicts, drug lords, gang members and etc are, takes time, which is another reason there is a waiting period. You seem to think that it is possible to get instant back ground checks on people in other countries. I for one would question our immigration process if it was as quick as you seem to think it should be. [/*]


You can get instant background check on people from puerto rico and mexico.

It doesn't take much to put a name in a computer now does it Ovr? As I said to Brat, Mexico should give us access, it's the only way.

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456




Your argument? Do you really think I want those types here?

There are other ways they can document illegals here. First, ship home the ones that are incarcerated, second, go through all records of welfare recipients, case workers need to check them out, and their entire families, third, Mexico must give us full access to their criminal records. It's the only way to check out people. I, obviously know, there may not be a record for all of those people, but I"m sure, I'm sure, they can find some and ship them back.

As far as the people with no record and who are here, they need to be documented, monitored, very carefully.

JMOO [/*]

I say deport them all and as they leave give them the paper work needed to apply for permission to enter legally, since there are people who have done the paper work and are waiting to enter legally and should be allowed to come here before anyone who has been here illegally.

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



You can get instant background check on people from puerto rico and mexico.

It doesn't take much to put a name in a computer now does it Ovr? As I said to Brat, Mexico should give us access, it's the only way.

JMOO [/*]

Unlike Mexican citizens, Puerto Ricans are statutory U.S. citizens.

[Rangerx1]

Originally posted by lita456



It wouldn't be as much if you let the right ones in. We don't want convicts, drug lords, gangs, etc. here in the US. [/*]

To screen them takes checks. To do those checks takes time. As it is, 4,000 a day. How many more can be added? How cooperative is Mexico going to be to hand over records so that we only send back the bad ones? You're right about what we don't want, but still, identifying these takes time. Do you really see that number per day being increased? And while it's not part of this particular discussion, your own words are the biggest reason why amnesty would be a horrible idea!

And if it doesn't take much time to put a name into a computer, why the resistance to the e-check system for employment verification?

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


I say deport them all and as they leave give them the paper work needed to apply for permission to enter legally, since there are people who have done the paper work and are waiting to enter legally and should be allowed to come here before anyone who has been here illegally. [/*]


I have always said the people waiting should be handled first.

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



I have always said the people waiting should be handled first.

JMOO [/*]

For the people in line to be handled first that would mean all illegal immigrants in this country, even those here for 20 years, go to the back of the line and wait their turn, in their own country. It is the only way to handle this fairly.

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


For the people in line to be handled first that would mean all illegal immigrants in this country, even those here for 20 years, go to the back of the line and wait their turn, in their own country. It is the only way to handle this fairly. [/*]


BS Ovr and you know it.

Are you telling me that every single illegal immigrant in this country has not applied for citizenship?

:lol:

[Rangerx1]

Originally posted by lita456



BS Ovr and you know it.

Are you telling me that every single illegal immigrant in this country has not applied for citizenship?

:lol: [/*]

Well, I'd say the first hint in that sentence is the word 'illegal'. Meaning, they are here illegally and should go back just as Ovr said.

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



BS Ovr and you know it.

Are you telling me that every single illegal immigrant in this country has not applied for citizenship?

:lol: [/*]

The rules do not say "Enter our country first and start the process when ever you feel like it."
If they have started the process then at least they wont have to wait in line (in their own country) as long as the ones who have not started the process.

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


The rules do not say "Enter our country first and start the process when ever you feel like it."
If they have started the process then at least they wont have to wait in line (in their own country) as long as the ones who have not started the process. [/*]



Well the rule was broken by many. There is no use in trying to rectify something they did a long time ago. There has to be a medium here. Many have been here a long time, why convict them now? This is what I'm saying. Why deport them now, when a plan can be offered with stipulations? Especially knowing they have contributed?

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456




Well the rule was broken by many. There is no use in trying to rectify something they did a long time ago. There has to be a medium here. Many have been here a long time, why convict them now? This is what I'm saying. Why deport them now, when a plan can be offered with stipulations? Especially knowing they have contributed?

JMOO [/*]

We don't get away with breaking the law and we sure don't get rewarded for breaking the law and neither should anyone who is in this country illegally.
We have given amnesty to illegal immigrants before and it was the worst thing we ever did because it caused more immigrants to come here illegally. They are a burden on this country and the citizens. They are destroying the lives of American citizens.
Like I said before, the needs and wants of illegal immigrants should NEVER come before the needs and wants of the American citizens.
Also no matter what they have contributed to this country it does not come close to what they have taken from this country. They all need to be deported.

[Rangerx1]

Originally posted by lita456




Well the rule was broken by many. There is no use in trying to rectify something they did a long time ago. There has to be a medium here. Many have been here a long time, why convict them now? This is what I'm saying. Why deport them now, when a plan can be offered with stipulations? Especially knowing they have contributed?

JMOO [/*]

How about I go rob a bank and then go into hiding for a number of years. When that time is over, I'll even pay taxes on the money I stole. So I should just get to keep it now with no penalty right? I mean, it was a long time ago. I contributed to the tax system as a result. Why convict me now? I was only bettering my life!!!

It's really simple Lita. They broke the law. In all likelyhood, multiple laws when you consider most drive unlicensed and work while here illegally. Time does not change that. Allowing them to stay is a reward. You don't reward someone for breaking the law just because they hide in the corners, continueing to break laws, and don't get caught for a number of years!!

[lita456]

Originally posted by Rangerx1


How about I go rob a bank and then go into hiding for a number of years. When that time is over, I'll even pay taxes on the money I stole. So I should just get to keep it now with no penalty right? I mean, it was a long time ago. I contributed to the tax system as a result. Why convict me now? I was only bettering my life!!!

It's really simple Lita. They broke the law. In all likelyhood, multiple laws when you consider most drive unlicensed and work while here illegally. Time does not change that. Allowing them to stay is a reward. You don't reward someone for breaking the law just because they hide in the corners, continueing to break laws, and don't get caught for a number of years!! [/*]


Robbing a bank and crossing the border are two completely different crimes and you know that Ranger. Jeez, you anti's consistently compare crossing the border with a heinous crime and it's not right.

Allowing them to stay, and offereing them a plan with stipulations is another example of two different situations.

I think that is what you can't get past. You think crossing the border is the same and it's not. Until you can get past that, you won't change.

JMOO

[Rangerx1]

Originally posted by lita456



Robbing a bank and crossing the border are two completely different crimes and you know that Ranger. Jeez, you anti's consistently compare crossing the border with a heinous crime and it's not right.

Allowing them to stay, and offereing them a plan with stipulations is another example of two different situations.

I think that is what you can't get past. You think crossing the border is the same and it's not. Until you can get past that, you won't change.

JMOO [/*]


Both are breaking the law and taking something that was not their right to take. I never said they were equivalent crimes, I said they are both crimes. And I've said I would be agreeable to a plan. That plan is that if they self deport, their illegal crossing would not be held against them and they should be free to apply to come here the correct way.

I know you want to think we see all as the same, but we don't. The fact that you like to ignore is that it is still against the law and you want that overlooked. Maybe one day you will see that people should be held accountable for their actions.

[lita456]

Originally posted by Rangerx1


Well, I'd say the first hint in that sentence is the word 'illegal'. Meaning, they are here illegally and should go back just as Ovr said. [/*]


And who made Ovr the decision maker?

Not I, and I'm sure half of america didn't either.

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



And who made Ovr the decision maker?

Not I, and I'm sure half of america didn't either.

JMOO [/*]

Oh puleeze :rolleyes: :lol:

[Rangerx1]

Originally posted by lita456



And who made Ovr the decision maker?

Not I, and I'm sure half of america didn't either.

JMOO [/*]


Once again Lita, you feel people should not be held accountable for their actions. When the crime is coming to this country illegally, what should be the proper consequences? When I tresspass, is it OK to stay once there?

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


Oh puleeze [/*]


:lol: :punch:


Obviously they believe your the leader.

cough, cough, BBBWWWAAAAHHHH cough cough - ok your highness cough cough


:lol:

[lita456]

Originally posted by Rangerx1



Once again Lita, you feel people should not be held accountable for their actions. When the crime is coming to this country illegally, what should be the proper consequences? When I tresspass, is it OK to stay once there? [/*]


Do I need to remind you ranger? I have always stated pay the fine for crossing the border.

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



:lol: :punch:


Obviously they believe your the leader.

cough, cough, BBBWWWAAAAHHHH cough cough - ok your highness cough cough


:lol: [/*]

It is called agreeing with something someone else says. Nothing more and nothing less.

[Rangerx1]

Originally posted by lita456



Do I need to remind you ranger? I have always stated pay the fine for crossing the border.

JMOO [/*]

So if a person steals something, it's OK to pay a small fine and keep it?

[Rangerx1]

Originally posted by Guernica
Brat, Herlock, Ovr, Ranger ...

I want to share with you this fairly well known quote:

"Some minds are like concrete, thoroughly mixed up and permanently set."
:D [/*]


That's one of the best, and most fitting, that I've heard in a while. :)

[st777jo]

I wonder how Lita would feel if her family went on vacation only to come home and find an illegal family had invaded their home while they were gone? They ate their food, slept in their beds, and found info on their bank accounts.

Would she just say, well they needed a place to sleep, eat, and oh yea, they had to send money to the rest of their family in their home country? No big deal? I don't feel violated?

[lita456]

Originally posted by Brat2002


It's all in her way of thinking, Ovr. She speaks for all the illegals and acts as their leader, though none of them have come here to thank her or agree. (hopefully, we won't be flooded with sock puppets now)

She figures since we're all in agreement that you must speak for us and be our leader. I am detecting some jealously, perhaps.

You'd be a good leader because you'd do the right thing by your country! [/*]


I am not their leader, I support some of them not all of them can you get that straight at least? No one needs to thank me, I don't need a whole group patting me on the back everytime I make a comment to the group who believes opposite of myself. I am my own person, I don't need back up as all of you obviously need every single time. No thanks.

Jealous of what? :lol:

Yeah ok Brat.

JMOO

[lita456]

Originally posted by Rangerx1


So if a person steals something, it's OK to pay a small fine and keep it? [/*]'


(((Sigh))) what have they stolen from you Ranger? The people I support, what have they stolen from you?

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by Brat2002


It's all in her way of thinking, Ovr. She speaks for all the illegals and acts as their leader, though none of them have come here to thank her or agree. (hopefully, we won't be flooded with sock puppets now)

She figures since we're all in agreement that you must speak for us and be our leader. I am detecting some jealously, perhaps.

You'd be a good leader because you'd do the right thing by your country! [/*]

lol Brat.
Well at least we are not a "posse" anymore.

[Rangerx1]

Originally posted by lita456
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(((Sigh))) what have they stolen from you Ranger? The people I support, what have they stolen from you?

JMOO [/*]

They have taken the right to be in this country. Something many people work hard and wait a long time for. There is an easy way to give that back though. They can return home.

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


lol Brat.
Well at least we are not a "posse" anymore. [/*]


Yes you are.

:rolleyes:

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by Guernica
Brat, Herlock, Ovr, Ranger ...

I want to share with you this fairly well known quote:

"Some minds are like concrete, thoroughly mixed up and permanently set."
:D [/*]

I like that!! :patriot:

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



I am not their leader, I support some of them not all of them can you get that straight at least? No one needs to thank me, I don't need a whole group patting me on the back everytime I make a comment to the group who believes opposite of myself. I am my own person, I don't need back up as all of you obviously need every single time. No thanks.

Jealous of what? :lol:

Yeah ok Brat.

JMOO [/*]

So you think we only say what we say because there are others here to "back us up" or "pat us on the back"? Yeah ok lita :rolleyes: Give me a break. Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



Yes you are.

:rolleyes:

JMOO [/*]

You really need to grow up lita.

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


You really need to grow up lita. [/*]



Yeah right.

This coming from the most immature poster on this forum.

Yah ok.

JMOO

:rolleyes:

[lita456]

Originally posted by Brat2002


You're the one who consistently brings up the fact that we are all on the same side, always agreeing each other. I still remember the comment you made about our "club". You wouldn't bring it up so much if it wasn't on your mind. For you to think about it and post about it frequently indicates that it bothers you. And since you are more or less complaining that we have this support group on these boards while you do not, it stands to reason why it bothers you.

We certainly don't need back up. The majority on this board taking one side of this issue is representative of the views of the rest country in this case. [/*]


BS, many don't come on this forum, I know, I've been on others.

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Originally posted by lita456



BS, many don't come on this forum, I know, I've been on others.

JMOO [/*]

Good golly lita you seem to know so much about everybody!! If ever I want to know something about someone in this world I know who to come ask. :rolleyes:

[lita456]

Originally posted by OvrAndOvrAgn


Good golly lita you seem to know so much about everybody!! If ever I want to know something about someone in this world I know who to come ask. :rolleyes: [/*]


:lol:


Sure, just ask Ovr! :rolleyes:

JMOO