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Wudge+

06-26-2008, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by higharm

Is it your opinion the three dark-skinned men are the ones who had something to do with the safe? If so, how did the safe end up at Todd's? Do you think the 3DSM took the safe to Todd's house?

Do you think Todd would keep quiet about someone else who might have been involved?

What is it you are thinking? [/*]

I have long held that the burglars were almost assuredly involved in the abduction and death of Laci.

An examination of the burglars' storyline shows that as regards the Medina's burglary having taken place on 12/26, their story impeaches itself over and over and over.

Diane Jackson reported seeing three men and a van and a safe at 11:40 AM on Xmas Eve. This places three men right across from Laci's home. It gives credence to Lt. Aponte hearing that Laci confronted Steven Todd when he was in the process of burglarizing the Medina's residence.

Moreover, in addition to Steven Todd, Glen Pearce admitted to being involved in the burglary. I have no reason to believe either of them lied about their involvement. However. I don't not believe that they were the only men involved in the burglary.

higharm

06-26-2008, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

I have long held that the burglars were almost assuredly involved in the abduction and death of Laci.

An examination of the burglars' storyline shows that as regards the Medina's burglary having taken place on 12/26, their story impeaches itself over and over and over.

Diane Jackson reported seeing three men and a van and a safe at 11:40 AM on Xmas Eve. This places three men right across from Laci's home. It gives credence to Lt. Aponte hearing that Laci confronted Steven Todd when he was in the process of burglarizing the Medina's residence.

Moreover, in addition to Steven Todd, Glen Pierce admitted to being involved in the burglary. I have no reason to believe either of them lied about their involvement. However. I don't not believe that they were the only men involved in the burglary. [/*]

If Steven Todd was in a confrontation with Laci, why would he keep the safe in his yard? Would he not get rid of it if it might tie him to a murder? Just strange behavior.

So are you saying the 3DSM were part of the burglary? If so, then Steven Todd would know who the 3DSM are. I guess he is not {ratting} them off? {If} this be the case.

If the 3DSM took Laci, and Todd knew it, (1) why keep the safe (2) would the killers let Todd live knowing he could tell on them?

I am just wanting to understand this. And why would 3DSM being hanging out with 2 white airport boys?

Frydaddy

06-26-2008, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+
Carrying over discussion from the June 24th/25th thread.

Judge Delucchi considered Diane Jackson's report to be fully truthful. So he permitted it to be admitted "for the truth."

Prosecutors never claimed that the report was inaccurate or untruthful. Nor did prosecutors have Sgt. Steele testify so as to impeach Diane Jackson's report wherein she told LE that she saw three men, a van and a safe at 11:40AM on Xmas Eve in front of the Medina's residence. [/*]

LMAO - Since when does a prosecution team need to impeach a third party ruse, when the third party ruse failed to even register to anyone due to the weakness of it?

earth goddess

06-26-2008, 04:29 PM

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by higharm

If Steven Todd was in a confrontation with Laci, why would he keep the safe in his yard? Would he not get rid of it if it might tie him to a murder? Just strange behavior.

So are you saying the 3DSM were part of the burglary? If so, then Steven Todd would know who the 3DSM are. I guess he is not {ratting} them off? {If} this be the case.

If the 3DSM took Laci, and Todd knew it, (1) why keep the safe (2) would the killers let Todd live knowing he could tell on them?

I am just wanting to understand this. And why would 3DSM being hanging out with 2 white airport boys? [/*]

I certainly believe that the three men Diane Jackson saw were members of a crew of men that burglarized the Medina's home on Xmas Eve.

I have long held that the Medina's departing their home at 10:30AM and the subsequent burglary taking place that morning supports the burglars having had knowledge that the Medinas intended to go on a trip that day.

I further believe they were casing the Medina's home and the neighborhood on the morning of Xmas Eve as they waited for a best time to break into the Medina's house.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by Frydaddy

LMAO - Since when does a prosecution team need to impeach a third party ruse, when the third party ruse failed to even register to anyone due to the weakness of it? [/*]

Specifics on your "ruse"?

Frydaddy

06-26-2008, 04:40 PM

Frydaddy

06-26-2008, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

Specifics on your "ruse"? [/*]

The whole safe, Diane Jackson, Tenbrink brothers, Aponte, burglars killed Laci is a ruse Wudge. MG bamboozled ya on this one. There was far too much information known that could have come in during the trial that didn't. IF all this stuff was what really happened, MG would have played Matlock on it. It's fantasy.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by Frydaddy

:lol: And you base this on what? [/*]

The fact that Mrs. Medina testified that she and her husband drove away from their home around 10:30AM on Xmas Eve. And the testimony by the mailman, Mr. Graybill, stating that he would have finished delivering the mail to the Medina's and the Peterson home within the next half hour. Within 40 minutes, Diane Jackson then sees the three men, a van and a safe in front of the Medina's residence.

higharm

06-26-2008, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

I certainly believe that the three men Diane Jackson saw were members of a crew of men that burglarized the Medina's home on Xmas Eve.

I have long held that the Medina's departing their home at 10:30AM and the subsequent burglary taking place that morning supports the burglars having had knowledge that the Medinas intended to go on a trip that day.

I further believe they were casing the Medina's home and the neighborhood on the morning of Xmas Eve as they waited for a best time to break into the Medina's house. [/*]

So these men were there at 10:40 am, according to Diane Jackson. With the safe already out of the house. The Medina's had left about 10 minutes before this. So they pulled up in there just as the Medina's left? Were they driving up and down the street waiting for them to leave? HOw did they get there so soon and have the safe out in the yard already? I guess I am confused of the sequence of events to make this work?

If Todd and Pearce are involved with this {crew} you say you think is responsible for the burglary, then why was it Todd had to go talk to Tenbrink to ask for help, and why did he need Pearce to give him a ride?

And if the 3DSM took the safe, why is it in Todd's yard?

Something is not working here? Or is it and I am missing it?

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by higharm

So these men were there at 10:40 am, according to Diane Jackson. With the safe already out of the house. The Medina's had left about 10 minutes before this. So they pulled up in there just as the Medina's left? Were they driving up and down the street waiting for them to leave? HOw did they get there so soon and have the safe out in the yard already? I guess I am confused of the sequence of events to make this work?

If Todd and Pearce are involved with this {crew} you say you think is responsible for the burglary, then why was it Todd had to go talk to Tenbrink to ask for help, and why did he need Pearce to give him a ride?

And if the 3DSM took the safe, why is it in Todd's yard?

Something is not working here? Or is it and I am missing it? [/*]

Incorrect on times. The Medinas left around 10:30AM. Diane Jackson's sighting is 11:40AM.

I believe that Todd did ask Tenbrink if he wanted to help him with a burglary that was already started. My take is that Todd thought Tenbrink might have been able to help with the fencing of the stolen items.

higharm

06-26-2008, 05:14 PM

What does anyone know about Diane Jackson? Is there any reason someone should not believe her? Is there any reason she would make all of this up?

higharm

06-26-2008, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

Incorrect on times. The Medinas left around 10:30AM. Diane Jackson's sighting is 11:40AM.

I believe that Todd did ask Tenbrink if he wanted to help him with a burglary that was already started. My take is that Todd thought Tenbrink might have been able to help with the fencing of the stolen items. [/*]

I am sorry on the time error. For some reason I read your post as 10:40 not 1{1:40. So, yes, then there is plenty of time for the Medina's to leave and then DJ to see someone there.

So if the 3DSM are part of the Todd and Pearce group, why does Todd need Tenbrink? You say maybe to {fence} the property? I don't know why you think this, but I can't agree with that at all. Seems Todd had that property sold all over the place and is a known fence himself. I really can't agree Todd needed Tenbrinks to fence property.

Why do you think the Tenbrinks are fences?

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by higharm
What does anyone know about Diane Jackson? Is there any reason someone should not believe her? Is there any reason she would make all of this up? [/*]

Over the years, numerous posters from Modesto have said that they know Diane Jackson. I've never heard or read anything from those posters, or anywhere else, that questions Diane Jackson's motive or credibility.

Net, an honest citizen who reported what she had seen.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by higharm

I am sorry on the time error. For some reason I read your post as 10:40 not 1{1:40. So, yes, then there is plenty of time for the Medina's to leave and then DJ to see someone there.

So if the 3DSM are part of the Todd and Pearce group, why does Todd need Tenbrink? You say maybe to {fence} the property? I don't know why you think this, but I can't agree with that at all. Seems Todd had that property sold all over the place and is a known fence himself. I really can't agree Todd needed Tenbrinks to fence property.

Why do you think the Tenbrinks are fences? [/*]

Asking another person if they are interested in helping with a burglary that was already underway does not mean that the person asked is a fence. They might have been thought to know someone who is a fence.

However, since Adam Tenbrink stated that Steven Todd made this inquiry of him in the evening of Xmas Eve, it does support that Todd's inquiry was made in regards to the burglary of the Medinas home earlier on Xmas Eve.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by TexMex

SNIP

No one knows what TIME Laci "disappeared"!

SNIP

[/*]

Agree.

This is a key defense point.

higharm

06-26-2008, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

Asking someone another person if they are interested in helping with a burglary that was already underway does not mean that the person asked is a fence. They might have been thought to know someone who is a fence.

However, since Adam Tenbrink stated that Steven Todd made this inquiry of him on the evening of Xmas, it does support that Todd's inquiry was made in regards to the burglary of the Medinas home earlier on Xmas Eve.

As for [/*]

I was refering to your previous post where you said
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Originally posted by Wudge+

Incorrect on times. The Medinas left around 10:30AM. Diane Jackson's sighting is 11:40AM.

I believe that Todd did ask Tenbrink if he wanted to help him with a burglary that was already started.

My take is that Todd thought Tenbrink might have been able to help with the fencing of the stolen items. [/*]

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I don't think Todd would not need Tenbrink to help with fencing the property. And why would the 3DSKM leave the safe at Todd's house and let Todd dispence of everything? Would they even trust him to do that?

And why would Todd be talking about this burglary all over to people he did not even know if he knew anything about Laci?

I just can't believe this is what happened. I can believe something might be going on with the 3DSM, but not this way. But I am trying to see why people think this, and I am willing to listen to why

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by higharm

I was refering to your previous post where you said
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Originally posted by Wudge+

Incorrect on times. The Medinas left around 10:30AM. Diane Jackson's sighting is 11:40AM.

I believe that Todd did ask Tenbrink if he wanted to help him with a burglary that was already started.

My take is that Todd thought Tenbrink might have been able to help with the fencing of the stolen items. [/*]

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I don't think Todd would not need Tenbrink to help with fencing the property. And why would the 3DSKM leave the safe at Todd's house and let Todd dispence of everything? Would they even trust him to do that?

And why would Todd be talking about this burglary all over to people he did not even know if he knew anything about Laci?

I just can't believe this is what happened. I can believe something might be going on with the 3DSM, but not this way. But I am trying to see why people think this, and I am willing to listen to why [/*]

The first thing you need to do is decide if you believe the burglary took place on 12/26, as Steven Todd and Glen Pearce claim.

higharm

06-26-2008, 05:42 PM

I would like to know how many think the burglars are involved and how many think the 3DSM are involved.

And now I guess how many think Todd and Pearce are hooked up with the 3DSM and they are ALL involved? Along with the Tenbrinks?

Is this the popular view of most of the NG's? It certainly is not mine.

higharm

06-26-2008, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

The first thing you need to do is decide if you believe the burglary took place on 12/26, as Steven Todd and Glen Pearce claim. [/*]

I am far from new to this case just so you will know. I believe someone was robbing that house on the 24th. And if you remember, which I am sure you do, Todd at one time stated he saw Scott doing something suspicious on the 24th. So where was Todd at that point in time when he was supposedly seeing Scott in the early dark hours of the 24th? Do we believe he saw Scott on the 24th?

Out of nowhere the date changes to have the burglary committed on the 26th. Very strange.

I have thought perhaps there were two periods of time someone was in that house burglarizing it. I even have my doubts that Todd was even at that house. It is possible he ended up with all this property and the safe and someone else is the person/persons who actually took it. Have you thought of that?

Tenbrinks are supposedly afraid of someone? Who? Certainly NOT Todd and Pearce. So who? The 3DSM? or someone we have never heard of? But it is not Todd and Pearce. So this tells me there is someone else being refered to in this statement "You don't know who you are dealing with".

I think everyone is stuck on Todd and Pearce and they are not seeing WHO is really involved.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by higharm
I would like to know how many think the burglars are involved and how many think the 3DSM are involved.

And now I guess how many think Todd and Pearce are hooked up with the 3DSM and they are ALL involved? Along with the Tenbrinks?

Is this the popular view of most of the NG's? It certainly is not mine. [/*]

I believe the Medina's burglars took place on Xmas Eve. I believe the burglars abducted Laci that day. I believe that just as Adam Tenbrink stated, he was approached by Steven Todd during the evening of Xmas Eve and asked about helping Todd with a burglary that was already started.

higharm

06-26-2008, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by TexMex

Hi higharm

Who do you think killed Laci Peterson? [/*]

That would be impossible to guess exactly who. Might not even be the people who took her. She could have been transported alive and handed over to someone else. If this is the case, could be anyone.

Why take someone anyway? Why not just kill them on the spot and leave them there? Why load them up in your vehicle, and then have to deal with driving them around where people can see you. Why take them to a house and let people know you have her? Why risk getting pulled over with her?

Unless you are kidnapping her for ransom, or someone owes you. Then you might hold them hostage.

But why is a burglar going to take her and kill her and then keep the safe in his yard, talk about it, and distribute the property all over the place so people can tell on you. Now that just does not make any sense whatsoever. Todd is not stupid, he would not keep that safe and then let everyone know he was involved in a burglary that would tie him straight to a murder. It's someone else.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by higharm

I am far from new to this case just so you will know. I believe someone was robbing that house on the 24th. And if you remember, which I am sure you do, Todd at one time stated he saw Scott doing something suspicious on the 24th. So where was Todd at that point in time when he was supposedly seeing Scott in the early dark hours of the 24th? Do we believe he saw Scott on the 24th?

Out of nowhere the date changes to have the burglary committed on the 26th. Very strange.

I have thought perhaps there were two periods of time someone was in that house burglarizing it. I even have my doubts that Todd was even at that house. It is possible he ended up with all this property and the safe and someone else is the person/persons who actually took it. Have you thought of that?

Tenbrinks are supposedly afraid of someone? Who? Certainly NOT Todd and Pearce. So who? The 3DSM? or someone we have never heard of? But it is not Todd and Pearce. So this tells me there is someone else being refered to in this statement "You don't know who you are dealing with".

I think everyone is stuck on Todd and Pearce and they are not seeing WHO is really involved. [/*]

Given that you believe the Medinas were robbed on Xmas Eve and given that Steven Todd and Glen Pearce admitted to robbing the Medina's home, then what do you believe happened to Laci after her abduction?

higharm

06-26-2008, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

I believe the Medina's burglars took place on Xmas Eve. I believe the burglars abducted Laci that day. I believe that just as Adam Tenbrink stated, he was approached by Steven Todd during the evening of Xmas Eve and asked about helping Todd with a burglary that was already started. [/*]

Do you believe Todd and Pearce abducted Laci? And took her where? And then keep the safe and start offing the property all over and sitting in houses talking about this property in front of people they do not even know? When it TIES THEM TO A MURDER?

Sorry, I can assure you that did NOT happen. Now someone else might have robbed that house and took her, but I am telling you it is NOT Todd and Pearce. And it is NOT the Tenbrinks. So who else was there?

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by higharm

Do you believe Todd and Pearce abducted Laci? And took her where? And then keep the safe and start offing the property all over and sitting in houses talking about this property in front of people they do not even know? When it TIES THEM TO A MURDER?

Sorry, I can assure you that did NOT happen. Now someone else might have robbed that house and took her, but I am telling you it is NOT Todd and Pearce. And it is NOT the Tenbrinks. So who else was there? [/*]

I simply believe that the burglars abducted Laci on Xmas Eve I don't know if there were 3, 4 or 5 burglars there that day. As to which ones abducted Laci, it really matters not. Because if she ended up dead as a result of a $7,000 burglary, then felony murder would sweep over everyone involved.

higharm

06-26-2008, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

According to Todd and Pearce's claims there is no way they loaded everything they stole into a small car like Pearces mom owned.

On top of the safe that they claimed took up the whole passenger seat they took a rolling toolbox, another toolbox, various tools, reciprocating saw, drill, cameras, camera lens, a weedeater, and other jewelry that was on top of the safe. And as I said Susan Medina didn't even list everything they stole because she only had minimum coverage and insurance didn't cover it all.

I think Todd and Pearce were involved with the men in the van. I think it was all loaded into the van. I also believe the men in the van took their share of what was stolen and that's why it all wasn't found.

I also believe Laci confronted what she thought was two burglars and was possibly attacked by the others so she couldn't call the police. I also think it's very possible that after hearing that Scott was at the bay that they disposed of her body there so they wouldn't get caught. [/*]

I would really like to know who these 3DSM were. Why would they be involved with Todd and Pearce? If everything was loaded into a the van, why did the 3DSM need help from Todd and Pearce? And again, if Todd knows Laci was taken, why does he keep this safe and go talking about the property and spreading it all over the place? Does a burlgar really rob a house, know someone was kidnapped and probably killed and then talk about this stuff in front of people, spread the property all over and keep the safe that assures he is going to be arrested for murder?

I am trying to understand why people think Todd would do this?
Why would any criminal do that? Something is not right with this.

adding one more thought

If everything was loaded into the van, and they also took laci, are they going to drive over to Todd's house and dump the safe out there? With Laci in the van? And is Todd going to let them dump it there if they have Laci?

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by higharm

Do you believe Todd and Pearce abducted Laci? And took her where? And then keep the safe and start offing the property all over and sitting in houses talking about this property in front of people they do not even know? When it TIES THEM TO A MURDER?

Sorry, I can assure you that did NOT happen. Now someone else might have robbed that house and took her, but I am telling you it is NOT Todd and Pearce. And it is NOT the Tenbrinks. So who else was there? [/*]

I certainly think there is an excellent chance that after her abduction, Laci was held somewhere in Tracy.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by higharm

I would really like to know who these 3DSM were. Why would they be involved with Todd and Pearce? If everything was loaded into a the van, why did the 3DSM need help from Todd and Pearce? And again, if Todd knows Laci was taken, why does he keep this safe and go talking about the property and spreading it all over the place? Does a burlgar really rob a house, know someone was kidnapped and probably killed and then talk about this stuff in front of people, spread the property all over and keep the safe that assures he is going to be arrested for murder?

I am trying to understand why people think Todd would do this?
Why would any criminal do that? Something is not right with this.

adding one more thought

If everything was loaded into the van, and they also took laci, are they going to drive over to Todd's house and dump the safe out there? With Laci in the van? And is Todd going to let them dump it there if they have Laci? [/*]

Glen Pearce places Todd in the Medina's home. Steven Todd places himself there as well. However, it would not surprise me if they are covering up for two or three other people as well.

higharm

06-26-2008, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

I simply believe that the burglars abducted Laci on Xmas Eve I don't know if there were 3, 4 or 5 burglars there that day. As to which ones abducted Laci, it really matters not. Because if she ended up dead as a result of a $7,000 burglary, then felony murder would sweep over everyone involved. [/*]

But it does matter. If Todd received that safe from someone and did not have anything to do with that burglary, he is not part of the crime that is responsible for a murder. If he robbed the house before or after someoene else did who might have taken Laci, then again, he is not part of the murder. Why would anyone want to do to Todd and Pearce and the Tenbrinks, EXACTLY what everyone is yelling happened to Scott? Framing convenient persons. It is the very same thing. Think about it. Find out who REALLY killed her before accusing this supposed burglars.

higharm

06-26-2008, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

I certainly think there is an excellent chance that after her abduction, Laci was held somewhere in Tracy. [/*]

I know that is the popular view held by the ng's. I disagree. I believe that tip was BS. And I do believe I know where that info came from. Someone on the boards knows who turned that tip in and if they would ever admit it, then this would all be cleared up about the Tracy tip.

higharm

06-26-2008, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

Glen Pearce places Todd in the Medina's home. Steven Todd places himself there as well. However, it would not surprise me if they are covering up for two or three other people as well. [/*]

Well if they are covering for someone else, then they are going to have to say they were there and robbed the house. How else would they explain they have the property if they are not willing to tell who really robbed the house? The stuff did not just walk over to Todd's house. If they are not going to tell who robbed it, they have to say they did. See what I mean?

higharm

06-26-2008, 06:23 PM

I must go for a bit. I enjoy this discussion but have things to do. I would really like to get to the bottom of this burglary and the 3DSM.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by higharm

But it does matter. If Todd received that safe from someone and did not have anything to do with that burglary, he is not part of the crime that is responsible for a murder. If he robbed the house before or after someoene else did who might have taken Laci, then again, he is not part of the murder. Why would anyone want to do to Todd and Pearce and the Tenbrinks, EXACTLY what everyone is yelling happened to Scott? Framing convenient persons. It is the very same thing. Think about it. Find out who REALLY killed her before accusing this supposed burglars. [/*]

Anyone who took part in the prior planning and the execution of the burglary of Medina's home on Xmas Eve at which time Laci was abducted would face felony murder charges. This would not include after the fact complicity or aiding and abetting of the stolen goods unless they had knowledge that the burglary ended up with Laci's abduction.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by higharm

Well if they are covering for someone else, then they are going to have to say they were there and robbed the house. How else would they explain they have the property if they are not willing to tell who really robbed the house? The stuff did not just walk over to Todd's house. If they are not going to tell who robbed it, they have to say they did. See what I mean? [/*]

Your hypothesis is certainly plausible, far moreso than the notion that Scott planned and deliberated Laci's murder.

earth goddess

06-26-2008, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by higharm

So these men were there at 10:40 am, according to Diane Jackson. With the safe already out of the house. The Medina's had left about 10 minutes before this. So they pulled up in there just as the Medina's left? Were they driving up and down the street waiting for them to leave? HOw did they get there so soon and have the safe out in the yard already? I guess I am confused of the sequence of events to make this work?

If Todd and Pearce are involved with this {crew} you say you think is responsible for the burglary, then why was it Todd had to go talk to Tenbrink to ask for help, and why did he need Pearce to give him a ride?

And if the 3DSM took the safe, why is it in Todd's yard?

Something is not working here? Or is it and I am missing it? [/*]

The mailman was on the street from 10:30-10:50. He delivered mail to the Medinas, whose mailbox was on their porch. He noticed NOTHING out of the ordinary - like Todd's bicycle by the fence in front.

Frydaddy

06-26-2008, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

The fact that Mrs. Medina testified that she and her husband drove away from their home around 10:30AM on Xmas Eve. And the testimony by the mailman, Mr. Graybill, stating that he would have finished delivering the mail to the Medina's and the Peterson home within the next half hour. Within 40 minutes, Diane Jackson then sees the three men, a van and a safe in front of the Medina's residence. [/*]

Pretty smart burglars...knowing when the Medinas would leave and when the mailman would be done with that street. Must've known the Medinas relationship with their neighbors well enough to assume that no one would question them while they were robbing the place. Of course, not smart enough to get the safe from the house into the van, instead just leaving it out there in plain view.

Ridiculous!

Frydaddy

06-26-2008, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Were the prosecutors mind readers and knew beforehand that the jurors wouldn't believe that Diane Jackson saw the burglary on the 24th? [/*]

What was there to believe..."that's what it says" x 2 isn't worth the time it took the stenographer to type it. Why impeach two questions and answers that amounted to about 15 seconds of trial testimony with ZERO corroboration.

No one's answered the question...why not submit the tipsheet with the theatrical flair MG possessed? Why not call Ed Steele and prance around the courtroom with the exhibit on the projector, HAMMERING home that DJ saw a safe on the 24th? We both know why...and it wasn't MG incompetence.

Sturgeon_Moon

06-26-2008, 06:52 PM

Sturgeon_Moon

06-26-2008, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by higharm
What does anyone know about Diane Jackson? Is there any reason someone should not believe her? Is there any reason she would make all of this up? [/*]No.

imo

Sturgeon_Moon

06-26-2008, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

And in all of the years since the trial Diane Jackson has never come out and said she didn't see a safe. [/*]Sometimes I wonder if I was a witness, would I come forward, just to be questioned about my honesty and intelligence.

imo

Ryder

06-26-2008, 07:11 PM

Would someone please explain because I don't understand how this is possible. Pro-Scott people are saying that the burglars are responsible for Laci's disappearance and death. Ok, that's fine, but how did Todd manage to put her on his bike and peddle away without Laci putting up a fight? where did they store her body all those months and how did they take her to the bay?

Sturgeon_Moon

06-26-2008, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Well Diane Jackson did come forward. And not once in all of this time has she said she never mentioned seeing a safe. [/*]I bet if she had to do it over, she wouldn't. Just ignore it like many others, not worth the hassle.

imo

Ryder

06-26-2008, 07:15 PM

Ryder

06-26-2008, 07:24 PM

Sturgeon_Moon

06-26-2008, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by TexMex

We know there is a time frame when she was last seen and when she spoke with her mom. Noone spoke with her at all
on Dec 24th. Her killer is the only person reporting her "whereabouts" on Dec 24th.

A safe and the Medina stuff has no bearing on this case. The burglars were caught and are not connected to Laci's death. All that was just white noise by Geragos to try to have the jurors
forget for a moment or two that Scott's wife's body washed up, 90 miles from their home, exactly where he went "fishing" in bad weather on Christmas Eve--the very day he reports her "missing".

It didn't work. [/*]And the bodies just happened to be found where Scott went when he rented cars and even lied to his mother where he was.

imo

Sturgeon_Moon

06-26-2008, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by TexMex

Hey Sturgeon!

LTNS...

This was as Geragos put it...."a damning circumstantial case". [/*]Hi TexMex.

While there may be some distractions, I think most of the case will be how large the award is.

imo

alter ego

06-26-2008, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by Frydaddy

The whole safe, Diane Jackson, Tenbrink brothers, Aponte, burglars killed Laci is a ruse Wudge. MG bamboozled ya on this one. There was far too much information known that could have come in during the trial that didn't. IF all this stuff was what really happened, MG would have played Matlock on it. It's fantasy. [/*]What was recorded by MPD on the tip sheet is a ruse?

The safe stolen from the Medina's is a ruse?

Too bad the defense didn't get the opportunity to test it for anything and come up empty to support your claim. Wonder why MPD destroyed the safe.

Wonder why the notes from the Aponte interview disappeared into thin air like all the notes Brocchini destroyed before the court ORDERED him to stop.

:shrug:

Okito

06-26-2008, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

If you are comfortable buying the fairy tale the prosecution sold the jury fine but I didn't buy it. There was more circumstantial evidence that Laci confronted the burglars while they were stealing the safe from the Medina home then there ever was that Scott killed her and dumped her body in the bay in broad daylight. [/*]

Let me think about this one for a minute.........I guess a neighborhood full of people in broad daylight equals a lone boat out on the vast expanse of the SF Bay for witnesses.

Yah, I guess I'll just kidnap/murder/stash her body here on the lawn, next to the "safe". Gee sure hope no blood, skin cells, hairs or fibers get left in my bicycle/van/white car.

And please explain, again, why, if DJ saw a safe on the lawn on the 24th, she didn't think it was prudent to call until the 27th????? I remember when the story broke and the 3 DSM, but don't recall hearing about a safe???????

alter ego

06-26-2008, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by stopthemurde

FIRST OF ALL: There was no FAIRY TALE told by the prosecution. It was a tragedy they told, about true FACTS: Scott killed Laci and Conner.
Can you tell the difference between facts and fairy tales ???

There was no evidence of any kind that Laci confronted the thieves. Being a stupid thief and kidnapping and murdering a pregnant woman, then disposing of her body where the husband was, and where the police was investigating Scott's activities around the Bay - that is a fairy tale told be those who think SII since they desperately try to find some FAIRY TALE to explain why Laci was killed in order to get Prince Charming off the death row.

Well there is no such fairy tale. He will die as a convict. I also doubt there will be any successful appeal since none of the fairly tales cooked up by MG were ever even close to something a jury considered as offering reasonable doubt. [/*]
Really? The Pros based their tale of murder on 'true facts'?

What 'true fact' proved Scott murdered Laci?
What 'true fact' proved Scott hid Laci's dead body under umbrellas in the back of his truck?
What 'true fact' proved Scott hid Laci's dead body in the boat when he drove to the Bay?
What 'true fact' proved Scott made any anchors?
What 'true fact' proved Laci's body was anchored?

:shrug:

higharm

06-26-2008, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

Anyone who took part in the prior planning and the execution of the burglary of Medina's home on Xmas Eve at which time Laci was abducted would face felony murder charges. This would not include after the fact complicity or aiding and abetting of the stolen goods unless they had knowledge that the burglary ended up with Laci's abduction. [/*]

Not if they had nothing to do with the people who took her and did not know someone else was robbing that house. It could very well have been robbed 2 times by total separate people.

If someone robbed that house and killed laci and dumped that safe on Todd and he did not know about Laci, he is not tied to the murder in any way. And I do think someone dumped that safe on him and he had no idea. He would never keep that safe at his house and off the property all over the way he did if he knew.

alter ego

06-26-2008, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by Okito

Let me think about this one for a minute.........I guess a neighborhood full of people in broad daylight equals a lone boat out on the vast expanse of the SF Bay for witnesses.

Yah, I guess I'll just kidnap/murder/stash her body here on the lawn, next to the "safe". Gee sure hope no blood, skin cells, hairs or fibers get left in my bicycle/van/white car.

And please explain, again, why, if DJ saw a safe on the lawn on the 24th, she didn't think it was prudent to call until the 27th????? I remember when the story broke and the 3 DSM, but don't recall hearing about a safe??????? [/*]She called the tip line on the 27th. Please show her initial report was on the 27th and not on the 24th. TIA.

higharm

06-26-2008, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by feathergirl

It amazes me, the amount of credit that people give to those bumbling burglars. They couldn't even do a simple break-in without leaving a trail straight to themselves.......and I believe that Todd had the stolen property stored right in his mother's shed.

Yet.................they pulled off not only the perfect murder but the perfect frame-up? Nah.......................... [/*]

I do not believe Todd and Pearce, nor the Tenbrinks had anything at all to do with Laci. I know most of the ng's seem to think so, but I don't. Not at all.

Okito

06-26-2008, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
What was recorded by MPD on the tip sheet is a ruse?

The safe stolen from the Medina's is a ruse?

Too bad the defense didn't get the opportunity to test it for anything and come up empty to support your claim. Wonder why MPD destroyed the safe.

Wonder why the notes from the Aponte interview disappeared into thin air like all the notes Brocchini destroyed before the court ORDERED him to stop.

:shrug: [/*]

The Medina's didn't want the safe back and told MPD so. Prolly cost more to get it fixed and MPD doesn't supply storage. The burglars confessed....what more evidence do you need?

What do you think the safe would have told you? Looking for grass stains on the bottom? Fingerprints of 3 unknown DSM?

Yet another Thursday red herring.

Link please that there were any notes from the Aponte interview.

GrandmaGA

06-26-2008, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

Really? The Pros based their tale of murder on 'true facts'?

What 'true fact' proved Scott murdered Laci?
What 'true fact' proved Scott hid Laci's dead body under umbrellas in the back of his truck?
What 'true fact' proved Scott hid Laci's dead body in the boat when he drove to the Bay?
What 'true fact' proved Scott made any anchors?
What 'true fact' proved Laci's body was anchored?

:shrug: [/*]

NONE

alter ego

06-26-2008, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by stopthemurde

What you believe and make up in you mind hardly matters. The only thing that matters is what the jury belives to be that truth based on the evidence presented, Scott's lies, and the futile attempts from the defense.

-snipped the bait-
[/*]
Sounds like what some posted after the Cynthia Sommers verdict of GUILTY was handed down.

:read:

alter ego

06-26-2008, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by stopthemurde

Go read the transcripts :o [/*]I have.

So, where in the transcripts are these 'true facts'?

Okito

06-26-2008, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
She called the tip line on the 27th. Please show her initial report was on the 27th and not on the 24th. TIA. [/*]

I do NOT have a reading comprehension issue. I said "If she saw the safe on the 24th, why DID she wait to call on the 27th?"

higharm

06-26-2008, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by earth goddess

The mailman was on the street from 10:30-10:50. He delivered mail to the Medinas, whose mailbox was on their porch. He noticed NOTHING out of the ordinary - like Todd's bicycle by the fence in front. [/*]

So how strange Todd had said he saw Scott doing something suspicious in the very early am of the 24th, but he then changed it and robbed the house on the 26th? So he says.

Well if the mailman did not see the safe nor anything else weird around the house, then it was not yet robbed. So Todd's first statements can't be true about the early am of the 24th. And being he never testified to that, that probably was not true.

So now the timeline{If the mailman is correct} shows no burglary before 10:50. So then we have 40 minutes left from then til the time DJ sees the 3 DSM - - and by the way she did not see Todd nor Pearce nor their car - - So what happened during these 50 minutes. If the safe is out there at 11:40 some of the time would have to be getting the safe out of the house. Was Todd and Pearce there at that point? DJ did not see them. So did they come after DJ saw the 3DSM? And why would they go there if DJ already saw a burglary going on and a safe in the yard?

So was Todd and Pearce there before the 3DSM, and the 3DSM went back to pick up the safe? And if they did, would they really go deliver it to Todd's house?

alter ego

06-26-2008, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by Okito

The Medina's didn't want the safe back and told MPD so. Prolly cost more to get it fixed and MPD doesn't supply storage. The burglars confessed....what more evidence do you need?

What do you think the safe would have told you? Looking for grass stains on the bottom? Fingerprints of 3 unknown DSM?

Yet another Thursday red herring.

Link please that there were any notes from the Aponte interview. [/*]
Don't know and never will know if the safe had any evidence in it. MPD has an evidence locker and garage. If they aren't a storage facility, why did they keep Scott's boat?

SOP for LE to take notes when they interview anyone in a criminal investigation. S.O.P. They certainly had notes from follow up on the thousands of other tips that Grogan and other MPD testified about.

Sturgeon_Moon

06-26-2008, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by Okito

I do NOT have a reading comprehension issue. I said "If she saw the safe on the 24th, why DID she wait to call on the 27th?" [/*]She was busy during the holidays.

imo

higharm

06-26-2008, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

The police barely investigated Todd or Pearce. After catching them in the 27th lie they then took their words on the 26th because the items they got rid of were disposed of on the 26th.

The other three men may have been friends of Todd and/or Pearce. We'll never know because finding them didn't seem important to the MPD.

We also don't know when the safe was taken to Todd/Pearce's home. We only have the word of two criminals who had already lied once. It could have been taken there after it was opened and emptied out. [/*]

I have a hard time believing someone would take an empty safe to their house especially if that safe was tied to a murder.

How do you know they started getting rid of the items on the 26th? Do you really know that? Not being arguementive, just want to know if you know that or what. If they had the safe on the 24th why is Todd waiting 2 days to get rid of things? Are you sure he was not getting rid of things sooner? Or was someone else?

The reality is, it is very possible Todd stole that safe from someone who stole it from the Medinas. I think that is very likely. They he lied and said he did the burglary. He was already in trouble for several burglaries, so what is one more. Better than having to say you stole it from someone and then go to prison with those people.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by higharm

Not if they had nothing to do with the people who took her and did not know someone else was robbing that house. It could very well have been robbed 2 times by total separate people.

If someone robbed that house and killed laci and dumped that safe on Todd and he did not know about Laci, he is not tied to the murder in any way.

SNIP

[/*]

Correct.

I believe I said the same thing.

alter ego

06-26-2008, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by TexMex

Circumstantial evidence. A legal term familiar to Mark Geragos.

It sure was a damning circumstantial case, just like he predicted. [/*]He was referring to the location of the bodies and Scott giving MPD the recipt from the Marina.

:shrug:

higharm

06-26-2008, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by Ryder
Would someone please explain because I don't understand how this is possible. Pro-Scott people are saying that the burglars are responsible for Laci's disappearance and death. Ok, that's fine, but how did Todd manage to put her on his bike and peddle away without Laci putting up a fight? where did they store her body all those months and how did they take her to the bay? [/*]

I don't think Scott killed her, but I do not think the burglars had anything to do with it either. Todd and Pearce are not going to dump her body at the bay 4 months later. There are so many things they would have to have done to be the ones; things they would NEVER do. Although I believe Scott did not kill her, there is more pointing at him then there are at the burglars, and there is not a lot pointing at him either.

I don't think this is Scott vs. Scott & Pearce. I think this is something totally different.

alter ego

06-26-2008, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by Okito

I do NOT have a reading comprehension issue. I said "If she saw the safe on the 24th, why DID she wait to call on the 27th?" [/*]Again, please show her INITIAL call was on the 27th and not the 24th.

higharm

06-26-2008, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by feathergirl

......and then even after they've abducted/murdered a pregnant woman, an hour later they're still standing around in the street glaring at people who drive by (just in case they haven't noticed them), with the safe laying out in the front yard.

Sure..................... [/*]

LOL, yes that is pretty funny! They they go talk about it in front of people they do not know until someone tells they have the property. They could not have known about Laci.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by higharm

I don't think Scott killed her, but I do not think the burglars had anything to do with it either. Todd and Pearce are not going to dump her body at the bay 4 months later. There are so many things they would have to have done to be the ones; things they would NEVER do. Although I believe Scott did not kill her, there is more pointing at him then there are at the burglars, and there is not a lot pointing at him either.

I don't think this is Scott vs. Scott & Pearce. I think this is something totally different. [/*]

The options are Scott or the burglars. The burglars had means, motive and opportunity.

Frydaddy

06-26-2008, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
What was recorded by MPD on the tip sheet is a ruse?

The safe stolen from the Medina's is a ruse?

Too bad the defense didn't get the opportunity to test it for anything and come up empty to support your claim. Wonder why MPD destroyed the safe.

Wonder why the notes from the Aponte interview disappeared into thin air like all the notes Brocchini destroyed before the court ORDERED him to stop.

:shrug: [/*]

Since we don't have the tip sheet, it's impossible to know. Since MG didn't include it as an exhibit, I'm guessing there's an issue with what it says.

There's no question the Medina safe was stolen by Todd & Pearce. When, is a matter of contention.

What would the safe prove? Todd and Pearce admitted to stealing the safe, they were found with it in their possession. They passed polys. If you have as convincing evidence as that, feel free to post it.

What evidence did Aponte have? What evidence was presented to the court regarding Aponte, in front of the jury?

earth goddess

06-26-2008, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by Frydaddy

What was there to believe..."that's what it says" x 2 isn't worth the time it took the stenographer to type it. Why impeach two questions and answers that amounted to about 15 seconds of trial testimony with ZERO corroboration.

No one's answered the question...why not submit the tipsheet with the theatrical flair MG possessed? Why not call Ed Steele and prance around the courtroom with the exhibit on the projector, HAMMERING home that DJ saw a safe on the 24th? We both know why...and it wasn't MG incompetence. [/*]

Diane Jackson allegedly saw this at 11:40 on the 24th and thought it was so important that she didn't call it in until 18:30 on the 27th!!!! She may have said burglary in the tip sheet, but she failed to mention it in her report to the police or to the defense investigator in his report. She did however, change her description of the vehicle from white to tan to brown - makes it a little harde to find when you say it's 3 different colors, doesn't it?

Ryder

06-26-2008, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

The options are Scott or the burglars. The burglars had means, motive and opportunity. [/*]Well, because the burglars were cleared, that leaves only Scott. All the circumstantial evidence points to Scott as well. The bodies being found right where Scott went "fishing" is very strong CE.

If you don't believe Scott murdered his wife and son, you can not limit the speculation to the burglars alone. That would be your opinion. All opinions are welcome, but it isn't a good idea to state your opinion as fact.

HTH

higharm

06-26-2008, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

The options are Scott or the burglars. The burglars had means, motive and opportunity. [/*]

With all due respect, how are these the ONLY two options. Anyone could have knocked on her door and marched her out of there at gunpoint. Some whackmaster could have pulled up and ordered her into the car.

And it is very possible the 3 DSM were not even involved in the burglary, but rather were parked over there and went into her house.

There is a lot people don't know. We don't know everything that was going on in her life at all. Who can possibly know everything. To get stuck on the burglars is as crazy as you think it is to get stuck on Scott.

earth goddess

06-26-2008, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by higharm

With all due respect, how are these the ONLY two options. Anyone could have knocked on her door and marched her out of there at gunpoint. Some whackmaster could have pulled up and ordered her into the car.

And it is very possible the 3 DSM were not even involved in the burglary, but rather were parked over there and went into her house.

There is a lot people don't know. We don't know everything that was going on in her life at all. Who can possibly know everything. To get stuck on the burglars is as crazy as you think it is to get stuck on Scott. [/*]

It's the ABS theory - Anybody bur Scott.

higharm

06-26-2008, 09:16 PM

higharm

06-26-2008, 09:21 PM

Well Homer Maldonado had to go deliver something that day and he was in the area, and he even said he saw her. He also saw her another 2 times in the park.

Maybe he was delivering the safe? Maybe he grabbed her? Maybe he had been stalking her before?

Maybe he knows the 3DSM.

See this is not just about the Todd and Pearce or Scott. There were a lot of people around and who knows what they were doing.

Ryder

06-26-2008, 09:21 PM

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 09:22 PM

higharm

06-26-2008, 09:25 PM

So what exactly is allowed in the civil trial.

which judge is presiding over it?

What do you suppose the defense it going to try to bring up?

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 09:26 PM

[i]Ryder

SNIP

All the circumstantial evidence points to Scott as well. The bodies being found right where Scott went "fishing" is very strong CE.

SNIP

[/*]

Ryder, cite all of the inculpatory circumstantial evidence that points to Scott.

higharm

06-26-2008, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

Because evidence to support a third option is lacking. Hence, it boils down to Scott or the burglars. [/*]

I really have to disagree with that, and if that were my ONLY two options I would choose Scott having something to do with this before I would Todd and Pearce.

earth goddess

06-26-2008, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by TexMex

Hi goddess

Imagine their suprise when they "knocked on her door and marched her out of there at gunpoint." Or " Some whackmaster could have pulled up and ordered her into the car.",....
and Laci was already on the way to the Bay...a victim of her husband who had told people he was a widower and was looking for soul-mates, bought a boat, made some anchors then kills her, dumps her like garbage, comes home eats some pizza and orders up porn on the house TV! [/*]

It's rather funny since they've have to get her a change of clothes too, cuz she wasn't wearing black pants when she was found. And, the front gate was locked so they would have to go around to the side, through the big gate (where McKenzie was on his leash), and go into the house. And yet, they left $200,000 worth of jewelry sitting in plane site on the dresser. Odd that they'd take a change of clothes for Laci but leave the jewelry

Ryder

06-26-2008, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

Ryder, cite all of the inculpatory circumstantial evidence that points to Scott. [/*]If you ask nicely, I might.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by higharm

I really have to disagree with that, and if that were my ONLY two options I would choose Scott having something to do with this before I would Todd and Pearce. [/*]

Do you know Todd or Pearce or live in the area?

higharm

06-26-2008, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by TexMex

Hi goddess

Imagine their suprise when they "knocked on her door and marched her out of there at gunpoint." Or " Some whackmaster could have pulled up and ordered her into the car.",....
and Laci was already on the way to the Bay...a victim of her husband who had told people he was a widower and was looking for soul-mates, bought a boat, made some anchors then kills her, dumps her like garbage, comes home eats some pizza and orders up porn on the house TV! [/*]

I am not a {anybody but Scott} person. By far. I am just saying that there are NOT only two options as wudge believes. I would choose Scott guilty over Todd and Pearce. I am just saying if people are stuck on Todd and Pearce, there are other options that could be just as believeable.

btw, I think Scott does know what happened.

Okito

06-26-2008, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

The options are Scott or the burglars. The burglars had means, motive and opportunity. [/*]

The burglars had a boat? They barely had a vehicle!! And since they were apprehended so soon, how did they dispose of her body so that it was in the water for 3 to 5 months?

Contrary to what the SII contingent states about the marina, it's a mighty big body of water and they could have gone south, due west or anywhere and NOT hit the spot that the perp took. And pretty darned risky if the marina was crawling with LE. Having seen their mug shots, they would have stuck out like sore thumbs in that milieu.

They had an opportunity when no one knows if Laci disappeared the late evening of the 23rd/early AM of the 24th or when?

What was their motive? If she threatened to call the police, you don't think they would have just high tailed it out of there before the cops arrived?

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by higharm

I am not a {anybody but Scott} person. By far. I am just saying that there are NOT only two options as wudge believes. I would choose Scott guilty over Todd and Pearce. I am just saying if people are stuck on Todd and Pearce, there are other options that could be just as believeable.

btw, I think Scott does know what happened. [/*]

I said Scott or the burglars. I did not say Scott or Todd and Pearce, because I hold there were more than two burglars.

Okito

06-26-2008, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
Again, please show her INITIAL call was on the 27th and not the 24th. [/*]

It's posted EVERYWHERE....even by your fellow scott supporters......she called on the 27th to report what she claimed to have seen on the 24th! Talk about a lack of credibility!! She was "too busy" with the holidays.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by Okito

It's posted EVERYWHERE....even by your fellow scott supporters......she called on the 27th to report what she claimed to have seen on the 24th! Talk about a lack of credibility!! She was "too busy" with the holidays. [/*]

Distaso secured and certified the trial record with Bates 14765 dated as 12/26.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by TexMex

So again I ask.....Wudge, exactly how many people were "in" on this murder and kidnapping?

Two, Five, Seven? I'm getting lost.

Amazing these clowns kept this all under wraps for so long and not ONE of these losers ratted another out for the huge reward involved:confused: [/*]

Three burglars at a minimum.

higharm

06-26-2008, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by feathergirl

......and he said that even before all of the evidence was out there. There was enough for him to believe it would be a slam-dunk conviction, though.

Good ole Geragos: It amazes me that some people still believe that he changed his mind and thought for even a second that Scott was not guilty.

He knew. [/*]

I don't think he ever changed his mind about anything.

Frydaddy

06-26-2008, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by earth goddess

Diane Jackson allegedly saw this at 11:40 on the 24th and thought it was so important that she didn't call it in until 18:30 on the 27th!!!! She may have said burglary in the tip sheet, but she failed to mention it in her report to the police or to the defense investigator in his report. She did however, change her description of the vehicle from white to tan to brown - makes it a little harde to find when you say it's 3 different colors, doesn't it? [/*]

We both know that this issue is not argued from the NG perspective with objectivity as part of the equation.

Ask anyone to drive down a street they are familiar with and nearly every person will be able to tell you what stands out as abnormal. You see three men out of place, with a safe in a yard, giving you a menacing look, what would you do? Slow down, get a plate number? Call police as soon as you get home, risking the embarrassment of it being nothing? Or sit on it, listening for the news of an abduction, where rewards are offered. Most NG's forget the key aspect to most crimes...common sense. Jackson impeached herself with the three day delay in calling.

As I've stated numerous times...Todd and Pearce were petty theives. Smart burglars move on to bigger jobs and they don't leave the evidence on their property, out in the open. To believe that they could bungle a robbery so bad, but be any part of masterminding the steps needed to put Laci and Conner at the bay is remarkably far fetched.

Ryder

06-26-2008, 09:48 PM

higharm

06-26-2008, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

I said Scott or the burglars. I did not say Scott or Todd and Pearce, because I hold there were more than two burglars. [/*]

Okay I should have not assumed you meant Todd or Pearce. However, you said you thought they were part of a crew, so I assumed you were including them.

so you are thinking some {other} burglars? Do you have anyone in mind?

Okito

06-26-2008, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

Distaso secured and certified the trial record with Bates 14765 dated as 12/26. [/*]

The 26th or the 27th....what does it matter??? She DIDN'T call it in, on the 24th, as soon as she saw it....or claims she saw it.

I think she's like that kind old woman who swore she saw Laci walking the dog while her husband watched football on TV....when there was NO game on. DJ prolly means well, but she sounds a few sandwiches short of a picnic. She says she saw a safe, and 3 menacing DSM, but doesn't report it. OK!!

higharm

06-26-2008, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by TexMex

Hi again higharm

What do you believe Scott knows? [/*]

I believe he has a very good idea who had Laci, and why. I just do not think he killed her.

Okito

06-26-2008, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

Three burglars at a minimum. [/*]

ROTFLMAO!!!! Gotta work TenBrink in there somehow!!!! Nice of Todd and Pearce to keep their mouths shut!!!!

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by Okito

ROTFLMAO!!!! Gotta work TenBrink in there somehow!!!! Nice of Todd and Pearce to keep their mouths shut!!!! [/*]

Why did you name Tenbrink?

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by higharm

I believe he has a very good idea who had Laci, and why. I just do not think he killed her. [/*]

I asked earlier if you know Todd or Pearce or live in the area? However, you did not respond.

Okito

06-26-2008, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

Why did you name Tenbrink? [/*]

Why indeed? That dead Aponte 'tip" you keep posting!!! LOL!!!

higharm

06-26-2008, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by Okito

ROTFLMAO!!!! Gotta work TenBrink in there somehow!!!! Nice of Todd and Pearce to keep their mouths shut!!!! [/*]

Oh boy, do you think this is where this is going?

I wish someone would go talk to these three, Todd, Pearce and Tenbrink, before they start accusing them. Why is it okay to accuse them but not okay to accuse Scott? I just don't get this onesided reasoning. Okay to try to frame Todd, Pearce, Tenbrink and Deanna Renfro, but not okay to try to frame Scott Peterson.

What is the difference? I hope the heck the 3rd option for the burglars is not Tenbrink - - The Tenbrinks had NOTHING to do with this. And I guess the fence is going to be Deanna Renfro? Who also had nothing to do with this.

Ryder

06-26-2008, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by Okito

Why indeed? That dead Aponte 'tip" you keep posting!!! LOL!!! [/*]LMAO! Now, that is really funny! :beer:

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by Okito

Why indeed? That dead Aponte 'tip" you keep posting!!! LOL!!! [/*]

I never thought that either of the Tenbrink brothers were one of the burglars.

higharm

06-26-2008, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

I asked earlier if you know Todd or Pearce or live in the area? However, you did not respond. [/*]

Not to be evasive but I don't tell people where I am from, nor who I know. Would it make a difference?

If I answered yes, no one would believe me or say I was trying to cover for them because I know them.

If I answered no, then people would say I did not know what I was talking about.

So either way, it is not prudent for me to answer those questions.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by TexMex

Yes, Pearce got 8 years. You think if he had testimony to offer about his compadres doing a murder he might say something to cut a deal... [/*]

For the record, Todd was sentenced to 8 years, not Pearce.

earth goddess

06-26-2008, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by higharm

I believe he has a very good idea who had Laci, and why. I just do not think he killed her. [/*] I am sure his loyalty will be rewarded on death row.

Okito

06-26-2008, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by higharm

Oh boy, do you think this is where this is going?

I wish someone would go talk to these three, Todd, Pearce and Tenbrink, before they start accusing them. Why is it okay to accuse them but not okay to accuse Scott? I just don't get this onesided reasoning. Okay to try to frame Todd, Pearce, Tenbrink and Deanna Renfro, but not okay to try to frame Scott Peterson.

What is the difference? I hope the heck the 3rd option for the burglars is not Tenbrink - - The Tenbrinks had NOTHING to do with this. And I guess the fence is going to be Deanna Renfro? Who also had nothing to do with this. [/*]

Please, I am NOT accusing anyone. I am making light of the "theories" postulated here without one shred of evidence to support them. Course I heard it all during and after the trial so nothing surprises me.

It was said tongue in cheek.....and no, I don't think the TenBrinks are involved in any way, shape or form.

higharm

06-26-2008, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

I never thought that either of the Tenbrink brothers were one of the burglars. [/*]

Thank you, I am very glad to know that.

so do you have someone in mind, and if so, do you care to say who that might be. Maybe I could shed some light on that person too.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by higharm

Not to be evasive but I don't tell people where I am from, nor who I know. Would it make a difference?

If I answered yes, no one would believe me or say I was trying to cover for them because I know them.

If I answered no, then people would say I did not know what I was talking about.

So either way, it is not prudent for me to answer those questions. [/*]

It is entirely prudent and smart for posters to protect their personals.

earth goddess

06-26-2008, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by higharm

Oh boy, do you think this is where this is going?

I wish someone would go talk to these three, Todd, Pearce and Tenbrink, before they start accusing them. Why is it okay to accuse them but not okay to accuse Scott? I just don't get this onesided reasoning. Okay to try to frame Todd, Pearce, Tenbrink and Deanna Renfro, but not okay to try to frame Scott Peterson.

What is the difference? I hope the heck the 3rd option for the burglars is not Tenbrink - - The Tenbrinks had NOTHING to do with this. And I guess the fence is going to be Deanna Renfro? Who also had nothing to do with this. [/*]

Aponte's tip is purse unadulterated hearsay. A staff member "overheard" something in the day room and reported it to Aponte. So it's a case of heqrsay without any tapes to back it up. Aponte claims to have made a tape but it disappeared.

He said he said he said. Not admissable

higharm

06-26-2008, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by earth goddess
I am sure his loyalty will be rewarded on death row. [/*]

I really doubt that Earth Goddess. I think there are not rewards for Scott Peterson, and I do not think it is out of loyalty that he is quiet.

earth goddess

06-26-2008, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by higharm

I really doubt that Earth Goddess. I think there are not rewards for Scott Peterson, and I do not think it is out of loyalty that he is quiet. [/*]

Fear? OF WHAT? DISINHERITANCE?

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by higharm

Thank you, I am very glad to know that.

so do you have someone in mind, and if so, do you care to say who that might be. Maybe I could shed some light on that person too. [/*]

I have cited Todd and Pearce as probable burglars simply because they confessed. I hold to three or more burglars. As far as this forum goes, that is all that is necessary.

You seem to be of the mind that Todd is a fence. I made a note of that. It's not something I have heard elsewhere.

higharm

06-26-2008, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Who has told you that you can't blame, accuse or frame Scott? I must have missed those posts.

An officer, well two actually, brought the Tenbrink brothers into this. And then an inmate later contacted the prosecution and brought it back up. None of us brought them into anything. And according to those two corrections officers one of the Tenbrink brothers brought them into it by talking about their good friend Steven Todd confronting Laci. [/*]

Can you please tell me why you think Todd and Tenbrinks are good friends?

What I am meaning is - - why is it okay with the ng's to try to blame others who had nothing to do with anything, yet it is not okay to blame Scott who they believe had nothing to do with anything. You would trade 3 or 4 innocent people to sit on death row in Scott's place? How is that going to be justice or okay?

Would not have anything to do with they are poor old airporters would it. That maybe they have a criminal record? Is it okay to sentence people who are poor burlgars to death for something they did not do? I don't think so. You don't trade one or more innocent people for Scott. Why is everyone so gung-ho one doing just that? Here, pick the poor petty burglars and a couple of druggies and blame them so we can get Scott out of prison. That just is not right.

higharm

06-26-2008, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by Okito

Please, I am NOT accusing anyone. I am making light of the "theories" postulated here without one shred of evidence to support them. Course I heard it all during and after the trial so nothing surprises me.

It was said tongue in cheek.....and no, I don't think the TenBrinks are involved in any way, shape or form. [/*]

You have misread me. I know you are not accusing these people. My first sentence was to you, confirming your thoughts that somehow tenbrink had to be fitted in, and I was laughing with you.

The rest of my post was just my thoughts in general about how ng's want to blame the poor airporters because they deserve to sit in prison even if they are innocent so long as Scott is released.

Sorry you misread me, I will try to be more specific as to who I am addressing my thoughts to.

Frydaddy

06-26-2008, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

What do you think Grogan was looking at when he said "that's what it says"? He was looking at the tipsheet that Geragos handed him.

GERAGOS: Okay. Now, the, specifically she had phoned in a call to the command center as well. And pointing you to 14765. And she said that on 12/24 at 11:40 she saw the van and a safe being removed from the house, correct?

You do realize what that 14765 is right? It's a bates stamp number meaning the tipsheet that Geragos had Grogan looking at was submitted. [/*]

I know exactly what 14765 is. For the fourth time...why not present it as an exhibit? Grogan only testified to what the sheet said. He did NOT testify as to when the tip was taken.

The only mention of 12-26 as the date of the tip was done by MG's sidekick Harris, who offered 12-26. Again, you can go with Wudge's nonsense about the prosecutor not objecting, but they likely didn't care because this was less than nothing. The non-objection is NOT proof of anything. The tipsheet as an exhibit would prove something.

The fact that the tipsheet hasn't hit the internet since the trial is even more evidence it is not favorable to Scott.

earth goddess

06-26-2008, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

Distaso secured and certified the trial record with Bates 14765 dated as 12/26. [/*]

Please post the testimony on that information because even Dalton says she called in on the 27th.

Oh, I bet you are referring to when Gergagos asked his asst counsel if that was a 26 or not on the resport. DUH, Thaqt's not testimony.

You are claiming that DJ called in the tip BEFORE anyone knew there had been a burglary.

Would you send me some of what you are smoking?

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by earth goddess

Aponte's tip is purse unadulterated hearsay. A staff member "overheard" something in the day room and reported it to Aponte. So it's a case of heqrsay without any tapes to back it up. Aponte claims to have made a tape but it disappeared.

He said he said he said. Not admissable [/*]

Put Adam Tenbrink on the stand and ask him two questions. First: Is Carl Jensen's report accurate? Second: Did you tell your brother, Shawn, that Steven Todd confronted Laci Peterson?

higharm

06-26-2008, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by earth goddess

Aponte's tip is purse unadulterated hearsay. A staff member "overheard" something in the day room and reported it to Aponte. So it's a case of heqrsay without any tapes to back it up. Aponte claims to have made a tape but it disappeared.

He said he said he said. Not admissable [/*]

I agree this thing is blown totally out of proportion.

What I would like everyone to think about is MR R in the jail. So where is he, he started this mess? Why was he not in court?

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by earth goddess

SNIP

I bet you are referring to when Geragos asked his asst counsel if that was a 26 or not on the report.

SNIP

[/*]

TITCR

Okito

06-26-2008, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by earth goddess
I am sure his loyalty will be rewarded on death row. [/*]

Your PM box is overflowing, so kindly empty it!!

higharm

06-26-2008, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by earth goddess

Fear? OF WHAT? DISINHERITANCE? [/*]

I don't think it is fear of anyone either.

higharm

06-26-2008, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

I have cited Todd and Pearce as probable burglars simply because they confessed. I hold to three or more burglars. As far as this forum goes, that is all that is necessary.

You seem to be of the mind that Todd is a fence. I made a note of that. It's not something I have heard elsewhere. [/*]

Stick around, you might hear a lot of things you have not heard elsewhere.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by higharm

Can you please tell me why you think Todd and Tenbrinks are good friends?

SNIP

Adam Tenbrink told Carl Jensen that he and Todd were close friends.

Ryder

06-26-2008, 10:26 PM

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Ryder
Was Bates 14765 offered and accepted for the truth? [/*]

Yes.

higharm

06-26-2008, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

Put Adam Tenbrink on the stand and ask him two questions. First: Is Carl Jensen's report accurate? Second: Did you tell your brother, Shawn, that Steven Todd confronted Laci Peterson? [/*]

None of these people are ever going to testify about anything. Why should they?

higharm

06-26-2008, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

Adam Tenbrink told Carl Jensen that he and Todd were close friends. [/*]

Really? LOL

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by higharm

None of these people are ever going to testify about anything. Why should they? [/*]

Because the verdict will almost assuredly be reversed by an Appellate court. If prejudice is not attached to the reversal, then it will be remanded back for a second criminal trial.

Frydaddy

06-26-2008, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Investigator Jensen tracked down AT in Modesto and spoke with him. AT acknowledged that Stephen Todd was a close friend and that Todd approached him on the evening of December 24, 2002, about helping him with a burglary that was already started. This directly contradicts Todd's prior statement that the burglary occurred on December 26th.

pg 5 actual page or pg 15 on the counter.

http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/peterson/captrsn22505dmot.pdf

If Todd, Pearce or anyone else was responsible for Laci's murder then they deserve to be in prison. It has absolutely nothing to do with them being poor, druggies or criminals.....well only if they were the ones who committed this crime.

Todd and Pearce lied to police about when they committed the burglary but the police turned around and accepted the second date they gave them despite having a witness who said she saw the safe being removed from the home on the 24th, not the 26th.

Diane Jackson had no dog in the fight. She had no reason to lie about when she saw the safe being removed. Todd and Pearce did have a reason to lie.

Adam Tenbrink telling Jensen that Todd contacted him about helping with a burglary backs up Aponte's claim about the phone call. How else would Aponte know that they were friends? Again, he is someone who had no reason to lie but the Tenbrinks, Todd and Pearce all did. [/*]

Jenson, nor Tenbrink testified. MG could have put just about anything in his motion at the end...none of which proves anything at all.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by higharm

Really? LOL [/*]

Do you laugh because you have researched their records and found that there is nothing to tie them together? Or do you laugh because you have researched their address histories and found that there is nothing there to tie them together?

higharm

06-26-2008, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Investigator Jensen tracked down AT in Modesto and spoke with him. AT acknowledged that Stephen Todd was a close friend and that Todd approached him on the evening of December 24, 2002, about helping him with a burglary that was already started. This directly contradicts Todd's prior statement that the burglary occurred on December 26th.

pg 5 actual page or pg 15 on the counter.

http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/peterson/captrsn22505dmot.pdf

If Todd, Pearce or anyone else was responsible for Laci's murder then they deserve to be in prison. It has absolutely nothing to do with them being poor, druggies or criminals.....well only if they were the ones who committed this crime.

Todd and Pearce lied to police about when they committed the burglary but the police turned around and accepted the second date they gave them despite having a witness who said she saw the safe being removed from the home on the 24th, not the 26th.

Diane Jackson had no dog in the fight. She had no reason to lie about when she saw the safe being removed. Todd and Pearce did have a reason to lie.

Adam Tenbrink telling Jensen that Todd contacted him about helping with a burglary backs up Aponte's claim about the phone call. How else would Aponte know that they were friends? Again, he is someone who had no reason to lie but the Tenbrinks, Todd and Pearce all did. [/*]

I am very aware of all of this and have been for ages. I don't believe the half of it.

How do you know they lied to the police, maybe the police wanted it to go this way. Todd was in trouble all ready, it would not matter if he committed another burglary or not. He was going to prison anyway. His saying anything one way or another made no difference. He did not have to say anything at all. It made no difference.

If this is what the defense has up their sleeve, so sorry for Scott Peterson, this is never going to fly.

Someone had a lot of stolen property. Believe me it was not who you think. How is everyone missing this?

higharm

06-26-2008, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

There are many good appealate issues. When the time comes for PetersonII those people may very well be on the witness stand.

Adam Tenbrink can testify that the burglary took place on the 24th. He can also testify about the phone conversation he had with his brother about Laci confronting Todd during the burglary on the 24th. Diane Jackson will be able to corroborate that the burglary happened on the 24th. [/*]

do you honestly think any of these people are going to testify? They can't make them say a word. They won't tell anything so the defense can forget that. It is NOT going to happen, sorry.

higharm

06-26-2008, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

Because the verdict will almost assuredly be reversed by an Appellate court. If prejudice is not attached to the reversal, then it will be remanded back for a second criminal trial. [/*]

I am sure you have heard of hostile witnesses. Take a look at who all of you think are going to testify. It is not going to happen.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by higharm

I am sure you have heard of hostile witnesses. Take a look at who all of you think are going to testify. It is not going to happen. [/*]

I've never held "Aponte et al" to be critical to Scott reversal chances. He just needs a second trial -- hopefully a bench trial.

higharm

06-26-2008, 11:02 PM

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by higharm

I laugh because I know better. Sorry. You just can't believe everything someone says. I don't mean to laugh but that was pretty funny. [/*]

Are you claiming that Steven Todd does not know Adam Tenbrink?

higharm

06-26-2008, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

Do you laugh because you have researched their records and found that there is nothing to tie them together? Or do you laugh because you have researched their address histories and found that there is nothing there to tie them together? [/*]

You might want to double-check all your research if you think they are closely tied. Those records lie ya know. It is much better to ask the "horse" himself. But I doubt you get a straight answer.

I always thought you a very great informed poster concerning a lot of legal issues etc, but as far as knowing what these people really are to one another or why they say the things they do, is really not set in stone. And the reason why many of these people APPEAR to know one another, is an entirely different reason that their actually being connected the way people think they are. And I KNOW this.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by higharm

You might want to double-check all your research if you think they are closely tied. Those records lie ya know. It is much better to ask the "horse" himself. But I doubt you get a straight answer.

I always thought you a very great informed poster concerning a lot of legal issues etc, but as far as knowing what these people really are to one another or why they say the things they do, is really not set in stone. And the reason why many of these people APPEAR to know one another, is an entirely different reason that their actually being connected the way people think they are. And I KNOW this. [/*]

I asked if you're claiming that Steven Todd does not know Adam Tenbrink?

higharm

06-26-2008, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

We know who had a lot of property stolen. Rudy and Susan Medina. And a lot of it was never recovered. [/*]

But you do not know where it went do you? Might want to start reading those warrants again.

earth goddess

06-26-2008, 11:11 PM

Let's put DJ and the "safe to bed. Here's Geragos's cross of Garegos on it:

GERAGOS: Okay. And Stough had gone out there, I guess, as it says from the tip line here, at 6:30 on the 27th?

GROGAN: Yes, it appears so.

GERAGOS: Okay. And she said that she was driving by 516 Covena. Now, 516 Covena is directly across the street from the Peterson house, correct?

GROGAN: Yes. It's, I don't think it's, GERAGOS: The Medina, the Medina house, which is, I guess if I'm standing on the, on the driveway of the Peterson house and I'm looking across the street, it's going to be just at a slight angle right across the street?

GROGAN: I think if you were standing in the driveway you would see, yeah, the north, north property line of the Medina residence.

GERAGOS: Okay. That's 516 Covena, right?

GROGAN: Yes.

GERAGOS: Okay. And she said that as she drove by she saw three short of stature dark-skinned but not African American guys in the front yard of the residence, correct?

GROGAN: Yeah.

GERAGOS: And she stated as she drove by the guys turned and looked at her and that they were standing near a van; is that correct?

GROGAN: That's what it says, yes.

GERAGOS: And when asked to further describe them she said that's all she could remember and she wasn't thinking about that, until she called the police?

GROGAN: Correct.

GERAGOS: And asked if she was able to identify any of these subjects if she saw them again, she stated she didn't know but she doubted it, correct?

GROGAN: That's what it says, yes.

GERAGOS: Okay. And then your, she was asked if she saw them at the back of the van or the yard, and she said that the van was parked on the street in front of the house and not in the driveway, correct?

GROGAN: Correct.

GERAGOS: She stated that two of the individuals were standing at the back of the van, and one was standing in the front yard near the van, correct?

GROGAN: Correct.

GERAGOS: And she thought it was unusual because they looked, let's see, because they looked, or initially she thought that they were landscapers and that landscapers normally would continue working, correct?

GROGAN: Yes.

GERAGOS: But that they didn't and looked at the traffic going by, correct?

GROGAN: Correct.

GERAGOS: And that when she first saw the van, when she first stated that she had seen it, she first told the officers she believed the van was white, but, upon thinking about it, she thought it was darker than that, correct?

GROGAN: Correct.

GERAGOS: And then I guess at that point she said she thought it was darker, either a tan or a brown color, and stated it was an older van, it had a door, or both doors would open at the rear she didn't really remember, correct?

GROGAN: Correct.

GERAGOS: Okay. Now, the, specifically the reward poster was previously marked as Defendant's double N, and I think I've got all this up here. This, for the most part, for the most part the information on double N was taken from Diane Jackson's, or at least, I should say, the information that is, the information that's up here, 500 block of Covena, three dark-skinned males, not African American, short in stature, older model, full sized van, tan or light brown in color, one or two possibly two doors that open at the rear; all of that came from Diane Jackson, correct?

GROGAN: Yes.

Does anyone see "safe" in his questions?

I don't

higharm

06-26-2008, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Donuts

higharm, could Scott have been the fence?

The cops kept going back to Covena with their search warrants. What if they were looking for stolen jewelry?????? [/*]

You think? Search warrants sealed.

2nd search warrant is a doosie is it not?

You tell me?

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by earth goddess
Let's put DJ and the "safe to bed. Here's Geragos's cross of Garegos on it:

GERAGOS: Okay. And Stough had gone out there, I guess, as it says from the tip line here, at 6:30 on the 27th?

GROGAN: Yes, it appears so.

GERAGOS: Okay. And she said that she was driving by 516 Covena. Now, 516 Covena is directly across the street from the Peterson house, correct?

GROGAN: Yes. It's, I don't think it's, GERAGOS: The Medina, the Medina house, which is, I guess if I'm standing on the, on the driveway of the Peterson house and I'm looking across the street, it's going to be just at a slight angle right across the street?

GROGAN: I think if you were standing in the driveway you would see, yeah, the north, north property line of the Medina residence.

GERAGOS: Okay. That's 516 Covena, right?

GROGAN: Yes.

GERAGOS: Okay. And she said that as she drove by she saw three short of stature dark-skinned but not African American guys in the front yard of the residence, correct?

GROGAN: Yeah.

GERAGOS: And she stated as she drove by the guys turned and looked at her and that they were standing near a van; is that correct?

GROGAN: That's what it says, yes.

GERAGOS: And when asked to further describe them she said that's all she could remember and she wasn't thinking about that, until she called the police?

GROGAN: Correct.

GERAGOS: And asked if she was able to identify any of these subjects if she saw them again, she stated she didn't know but she doubted it, correct?

GROGAN: That's what it says, yes.

GERAGOS: Okay. And then your, she was asked if she saw them at the back of the van or the yard, and she said that the van was parked on the street in front of the house and not in the driveway, correct?

GROGAN: Correct.

GERAGOS: She stated that two of the individuals were standing at the back of the van, and one was standing in the front yard near the van, correct?

GROGAN: Correct.

GERAGOS: And she thought it was unusual because they looked, let's see, because they looked, or initially she thought that they were landscapers and that landscapers normally would continue working, correct?

GROGAN: Yes.

GERAGOS: But that they didn't and looked at the traffic going by, correct?

GROGAN: Correct.

GERAGOS: And that when she first saw the van, when she first stated that she had seen it, she first told the officers she believed the van was white, but, upon thinking about it, she thought it was darker than that, correct?

GROGAN: Correct.

GERAGOS: And then I guess at that point she said she thought it was darker, either a tan or a brown color, and stated it was an older van, it had a door, or both doors would open at the rear she didn't really remember, correct?

GROGAN: Correct.

GERAGOS: Okay. Now, the, specifically the reward poster was previously marked as Defendant's double N, and I think I've got all this up here. This, for the most part, for the most part the information on double N was taken from Diane Jackson's, or at least, I should say, the information that is, the information that's up here, 500 block of Covena, three dark-skinned males, not African American, short in stature, older model, full sized van, tan or light brown in color, one or two possibly two doors that open at the rear; all of that came from Diane Jackson, correct?

GROGAN: Yes.

Does anyone see "safe" in his questions?

I don't [/*]

Geragos' cross examination of Detective Grogan

171. MR. GERAGOS: Detective, specifically -- once again, this is a
sheet like what we had up before on Harshman's, correct?
172. Correct.
173. Okay. And specifically it's a sheet that was phoned in at --
looks like 4:10, looks like from Sergeant Ed Steele; is that right?
174. Yes.
175. And who is he?
176. He's a sergeant with the Modesto Police Department. He was
assigned to go --
177. THE COURT: Detective Grogan, you're talking away from the
microphone. I'm not sure they can hear you.
178. THE WITNESS: Assigned to go to the volunteer center after it
was opened at the hotel.
179. MR. GERAGOS: Okay. And he talked to Diane Jackson, who -- the
woman that we had pointed out, lived on this Edgebrook Street in that La Loma
neighborhood; is that correct?
180. I'm not sure if he talked to her directly when -- when she
called in, or if he received that information and then just passed it on.
181. Okay. And then he said that -- what was on the call sheet was
that she witnessed a burglary on Covena, correct? 459 is a Penal Code Section
for burglary?
182. Yes.
183. On 12:24 at 11:40 a.m.?
184. That's what it says.
185. Okay. And she said she saw the van and the safe being removed
from the house, correct?
186. That's what it says

earth goddess

06-26-2008, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by Okito

Your PM box is overflowing, so kindly empty it!! [/*]

Mine? It's empty. There's nothing there

higharm

06-26-2008, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

I've never held "Aponte et al" to be critical to Scott reversal chances. He just needs a second trial -- hopefully a bench trial. [/*]

Well if you are truly not guilty, always better to have a bench trial in my opinion. At least the judge is suppose to go by the law, not emotions. He should have asked for one to begin with.

higharm

06-26-2008, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

Are you claiming that Steven Todd does not know Adam Tenbrink? [/*]

no. Most all the old airporters know one another. It is a very small place and people who go to jail and live in a cliquish place like that do know one another.

I laugh at the fact they are good friends.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by higharm

no. Most all the old airporters know one another. It is a very small place and people who go to jail and live in a cliquish place like that do know one another.

I laugh at the fact they are good friends. [/*]

Does not Deanna Renfro know Steven Todd?

higharm

06-26-2008, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Adam Tenbrinks help could have been to open the safe or dispose of items. No one has suggested that Todd wanted him to go to the Medina's home.

Who said Todd carried Laci off on his bike? There was, according to Diane Jackson, a van right there on the scene. Laci could have confronted them after DJ passed the area and knowing they had been seen by two people by that time they could have killed Laci then.

The looooooong list of items stolen from the Medina home wasn't going to fit in Pearce's moms little car. On top of the safe they stole a weedeater, a rolling toolbox, another toolbox, saws, drills, cameras and long camera lenses as well as other jewelry and guns.

The safe was never checked for fingerprints. Grogan only ordered it to be tested AFTER Geragos got permission from Susan Medina to get it from the MPD. Maybe if the police had expended that little effort the identities of the three dark skinned men would be known and there would be more answers. [/*]

so now adam tenbrink is involved because he helped open the safe? Why do you want adam tenbrink to be involved in this. Do you know anything at all about these people? This is absurd.

higharm

06-26-2008, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

higharm
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Registered: Jun 2008
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I laugh because I know better. Sorry. You just can't believe everything someone says. I don't mean to laugh but that was pretty funny.

Thanks for letting us know ahead of time not to believe you. [/*]

oh because I can PROVE you are wrong? You know it too. Don't believe me, I don't care, but I am right. You don't want me to be right because it blows your research and theories all to pieces. You people are wrong wrong wrong and I am trying to tell you this but you would rather stay stuck on that burglary and these people from the airport than to open your eyes. No matter to me. You think your phonebooks are going to prove otherwise? LOL

Sturgeon_Moon

06-26-2008, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

Adam Tenbrink told Carl Jensen that he and Todd were close friends. [/*]Scott told Amber he had friends in France.:punch:

higharm

06-26-2008, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by Donuts

Wasn't Laci upset with Scott at the pawn shop? Didn't Aunt Robin claim there was no missing jewelry from Grandma?

The MPD entered that house too many times after not finding a "crime scene". The cops were looking for "something" specific. [/*]

Ah! I see someone is paying attention.

agree, agree, agree.

They had to be looking for something specific, they had to fill out the application and say what they were looking for. They were not looking for a murder weapon nor evidence for a murder, so what were they looking for that they removed 95+ random items. Some of which matched up.

Tell me more what you think.

earth goddess

06-26-2008, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by higharm

I am very aware of all of this and have been for ages. I don't believe the half of it.

How do you know they lied to the police, maybe the police wanted it to go this way. Todd was in trouble all ready, it would not matter if he committed another burglary or not. He was going to prison anyway. His saying anything one way or another made no difference. He did not have to say anything at all. It made no difference.

If this is what the defense has up their sleeve, so sorry for Scott Peterson, this is never going to fly.

Someone had a lot of stolen property. Believe me it was not who you think. How is everyone missing this? [/*] It's all HEARSAY> It's Adam Tenbrink saying what Steven Todd told him. Todd was in Redwood City and ready to testify as to what he said. Why did Geragos not call him?

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by higharm

Ah! I see someone is paying attention.

agree, agree, agree.

They had to be looking for something specific, they had to fill out the application and say what they were looking for. They were not looking for a murder weapon nor evidence for a murder, so what were they looking for that they removed 95+ random items. Some of which matched up.

Tell me more what you think. [/*]

Does not Deanna Renfro know Steven Todd?

higharm

06-26-2008, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

We know who had a lot of property stolen. Rudy and Susan Medina. And a lot of it was never recovered. [/*]

They are not the only ones who had a lot of property stolen. And wonder where all that went too? Who is the fence?

higharm

06-26-2008, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

Does not Deanna Renfro know Steven Todd? [/*]

almost everyone who has been to jail several time or does drugs will know one another. I suppose everyone who is ever knew someone is now involved in this?

btw that is not laci's watch.

earth goddess

06-26-2008, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by feathergirl

You believe that Todd started a burglary in broad daylight, kidnapped/murdered a woman, and then enlisted someone to go BACK to the scene of the crime that night?

No one is that stupid ("not even you, Scott"). Even the dumbest burglars wouldn't go back for more stuff after committing murder/kidnapping - not to even mention that Todd also claims he was on a bicycle.

How, pray tell, did Todd kill Laci in broad daylight and then carry her around on his bicycle? Where did he hide her - in his mother's garage?

Isn't the only reason he asked the other guy to help him because he didn't have a vehicle of his own? Wouldn't he know that by that night, word would be out that a pregnant woman was missing and there would be a search going on for her and LE all over the place?

Impossible, I say................. [/*]

Todd did not live with his mother. He lived in a shed on Pearce's mom's property. Det Michael Hicks testified that he has known Steven Todd for 7 years and has never known him to drive a car. So it's a bicycle acrosss the Altamont - ROFLMAO Wairt - you can't take a bicycle on ther Interstate. So he'd have to hitchhike with a body in tow.

And he asked someone to return to the scene on the night of the 24th when the entire street was crawling with cops and people yeah-right.

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by Donuts

SNIP

Didn't Scott try to give Amber jewelry? [/*]

Mythology.

earth goddess

06-26-2008, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by higharm

almost everyone who has been to jail several time or does drugs will know one another. I suppose everyone who is ever knew someone is now involved in this?

btw that is not laci's watch. [/*] Men and women are not housed together in jail. or even in the same holding cells.I believe in 2002, they were in entirely different facilities.

If Deanna did have Laci's watch which she does not, she pawned her yellow gold watch for $20 - you don't think she'd go after the $250,000 reward the Petersons are offering?

higharm

06-26-2008, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

It looks like we're supposed to believe something was found in Scott and Laci's home then NOT used as evidence in the trial. And it comes from someone who told us not to believe everything we hear. [/*]

You can try all you want to make people think I do not know what I am talking about.

btw, I did not post the above post, someone else did. I said you should not believe everything you hear like the aponte report and your research that ties everyone in the modesto to everyone else. I can't believe how many things you people have thought you found that is so far from the truth its ridiculous. Why don't you try to go really ask a real person who knows who rather than try to figure it out by a bunch of address matches. Do you know how funny 90% of that is? I guess not.

I have watched this forever and the more you look the worse it gets. For pete's sake get someone to go ask a real human being. - - oh that is right, you won't believe them because the truth does not match your nonsense.

Next I will be involved LOL. oh wait, I already am :biggrin:

higharm

06-26-2008, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

I'm basing my opinion on what he told Jensen. That's more believable then you. [/*]

Sure, you are so worried I could blow your theories to bits that you now have to somehow discredit me. Not going to happen. I know what was said in those houses, I know who did NOT do what, and I am telling you, you are way off, but oh no, you would rather believe this nonsense than listen.

Well you just try to discredit me all you want. When the bomb falls oh well.

Remember I know these people.

higharm

06-26-2008, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by Sturgeon_Moon
Scott told Amber he had friends in France.:punch: [/*]

sure he does, he lies too. He lied all the time. Maybe he knows Frenchie, more like it

Wudge+

06-26-2008, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by higharm

Sure, you are so worried I could blow your theories to bits that you now have to somehow discredit me. Not going to happen. I know what was said in those houses, I know who did NOT do what, and I am telling you, you are way off, but oh no, you would rather believe this nonsense than listen.

Well you just try to discredit me all you want. When the bomb falls oh well.

Remember I know these people. [/*]

Whose houses do you refer to?

higharm

06-26-2008, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by earth goddess
It's all HEARSAY> It's Adam Tenbrink saying what Steven Todd told him. Todd was in Redwood City and ready to testify as to what he said. Why did Geragos not call him? [/*]

EG, I know it is all BS. I asked.

earth goddess

06-26-2008, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by feathergirl

Yes, but it was not fine jewelry and it was not Laci's jewelry. He left her a new Amber necklace along with some other gifts for her birthday - he hid them in some bushes and told her where to find them. [/*]

Didn't Scott claim that laci always wore a diamond pendant? Look at her picture at the Dec 14th party. Is she obviously drenched in diamonds? Nope, she's wearing a costume jewelry neclace.d\

higharm

06-26-2008, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by Donuts

I'm paying attention to what you are writing about Todd & Pearce and it makes sense.

Todd & Pearce were small time burglars and known to the MPD.

Once the MPD interviewed Todd for the Medina burglary, would they really let him go if they thought he also abducted Laci? I don't think so.....If the MPD thought both were involved in Laci's disappearance, wouldn't they play one against the other to get a confession?

Time to focus a little on Scott. Didn't Scott try to give Amber jewelry? [/*]

yah he did.

And there is jewelry missing, no matter what robin said. Maybe not grandma's but there is some missing, so where did that come from? It came from somewhere. So where did it go? I am told it is missing. And if people keep thinking I don't know, well we will see.

higharm

06-27-2008, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by Wudge+

Does not Deanna Renfro know Steven Todd? [/*]t

So what game is this? Why don't you just say you all have spent umpteen million hours on intellius, ancestry.com, people search, phone books etc, trying to match these people up. Yet you have not talked to a single one of them to know if this stuff is correct or not. You have so much stuff wrong I could not even begin to make a list of it, but I DO have it all copied what you think. You think I don't know? I do. One of you were telling me everything. One of you gave me your password to use to go look. I know everything you all have been doing and trying to connect me to this crime and my family. You people are ridiculous.

try connecting me to all these people, you can probably do that too. Wow, maybe I do know them and know something? you think? duh! My family people. They have nothing to do with this. Did you think I would help you prove they did?

Thanks for all you bs info. I have shown it all to all of them.

You think anyone is going to testify for Scott Peterson? You got to be kidding. No one cares about Scott Peterson, and keep it up and they will be testifying AGAINST him.

higharm

06-27-2008, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by W_D_1

All of Laci's jewelry was accounted for except for the Croton watch and a pair of earrings. If Laci had other missing jewelry that would have come out in testimony. [/*]

oh you think so? shows what you know? And no it did not come out? Obviously you don't know the half of it. Do you think everything came out in trial? Wrong.

higharm

06-27-2008, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by Wudge+

Mythology. [/*]

another LOL

higharm

06-27-2008, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by earth goddess
Men and women are not housed together in jail. or even in the same holding cells.I believe in 2002, they were in entirely different facilities.

If Deanna did have Laci's watch which she does not, she pawned her yellow gold watch for $20 - you don't think she'd go after the $250,000 reward the Petersons are offering? [/*]

I know men and women are not housed together, I am talking in general that most people who have been to jail together or do drugs and live in the airport do know one another. I know you live there and know how small the airport is and how cliquish those people are, they know one another, half of them are related, but to the ng's this means they are all guilty and involved. How crazy. You know how much money and time these idiots have spent trying to prove my family is involved and living with some of these people? It's insane. If you saw this you would Roll.

Frydaddy

06-27-2008, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by Sturgeon_Moon
Scott told Amber he had friends in France.:punch: [/*]

:lol:

Well played! :beer:

higharm

06-27-2008, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by earth goddess
Men and women are not housed together in jail. or even in the same holding cells.I believe in 2002, they were in entirely different facilities.

If Deanna did have Laci's watch which she does not, she pawned her yellow gold watch for $20 - you don't think she'd go after the $250,000 reward the Petersons are offering? [/*]

haha the rewards.

someone might want to ask the details on that. I did. It is a joke LOL

You get nothing more than a disclaimer as to why they do not have to pay anyone one cent. LOL And they think criminals are going to fall for that? They must think people are stupid. Well, wrong, no one is stupid but the ones thinking they can throw a trickbag at a con and get it past them. NO ONE is going to fall for that, NO ONE is going to testify to help Scott Peterson, and if anything someone is going to hang him good for sure if this does not stop, because there are people who knows what was really going on. And belive me, it is not going to help Scott one bit. I am about ready to do it myself.

earth goddess

06-27-2008, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by Frydaddy

Jenson, nor Tenbrink testified. MG could have put just about anything in his motion at the end...none of which proves anything at all. [/*]

Here's what makes it less than believable. Deense received and signed for aponte tip in May of 2004. Jenson didn't interview Tenbrink until Dec 2005. He's going to remember the exact date from three years prior??????

Not to mention that it's also hearsay considering that Todd was available to t estify as to what he said.

higharm

06-27-2008, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by Donuts

I don't think Scott was the one who killed Laci but now I'm starting to wonder what he did to cause her death.:eek:

Scott told Amber something about Laci being in Modesto. It was on one of his boring tapes. IMO, there was some kind of code going on between Scott & Amber. Those tapes (most of them) were beyond stupid.

Wasn't there a burglary at the Del Rio CC are? It's been so long, I can't remember. Please disregard if I'm not remembering correctly, it's been a long time since I looked at this case.;) [/*]

yes that was a HIG robbery on Oct 22, 2002 with DAS, Cota, etc.

just one of many, involving safes and jewelry. DAS was fencing the stuff. I wonder to whom? LOL

earth goddess

06-27-2008, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by higharm

I know men and women are not housed together, I am talking in general that most people who have been to jail together or do drugs and live in the airport do know one another. I know you live there and know how small the airport is and how cliquish those people are, they know one another, half of them are related, but to the ng's this means they are all guilty and involved. How crazy. You know how much money and time these idiots have spent trying to prove my family is involved and living with some of these people? It's insane. If you saw this you would Roll. [/*]

I don't live there and never have. I used tolive on N Santa Cruz when this happened, but that's not the airport district.

higharm

06-27-2008, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by Donuts

Didn't Scott & Laci pawn some jewelry? Whose jewelry were they pawning?

Where's the list Aunt Robin claimed was written listing all the jewelry? Was it ever found? [/*]

someone I know can prove there was more jewelry than grandma's. I am sure they will do it soon. I will let them do it being they are the ones who did the research to find some BIG stuff.

but no one wants to believe there was other jewelry missing, well gee I wonder if they would belive it if is came straight out of the peterson's mouths? would they post not to believe them either?

you just never know what I have got my hands on do you?

higharm

06-27-2008, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Laci and Scott sold some jewelry. Amy testified that Laci planned to sell it. The pawn broker testified that Laci came in to sell it but couldn't because she forgot her license so Scott had to sell it. They listed some on EBay. That has all been accounted for as well as all of her other jewelry except for the Croton watch and earrings. [/*]

Not true, that is NOT all that is missing. Obviously you are out of the center loop of the ng's, even some of them know better than that, and it is FOR SURE you do not KNOW, and you certainly are not in contact with the Petersons. So don't tell me you know and I don't, I went straight to the source and asked. There is other jewelry missing.

higharm

06-27-2008, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by Wudge+

Whose houses do you refer to? [/*]

The houses of the people you think you know all about. You know your address matches you all have. Do you know how many of them are my family? I guess I can ask them what happened and KNOW what REALLY went on. I am related to them. I would think that is better than looking in phone books to try to figure it out.

I KNOW. I REALLY KNOW. And all of you find my family names and sit there and try to investigate them and ME from a phone book and stupid intellius reports LOL.

First off you all have my name wrong LOL, and then you find someone elses mother in a rest home and say she is connected to the HIG LOL That one really blew me over. Good lord it is a rest home you people. And it is not my mother. YOu are tying my mom to the HIG? good lord! yah it's my mother and she is in her 80's and involved with the HIG... get real! do you know how ridiculous that is?

higharm

06-27-2008, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by W_D_1

If you could blow anyone's theories out of the water you would have done so already. [/*]

try me!

higharm

06-27-2008, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by earth goddess

Didn't Scott claim that laci always wore a diamond pendant? Look at her picture at the Dec 14th party. Is she obviously drenched in diamonds? Nope, she's wearing a costume jewelry neclace.d\ [/*]

she had a diamond necklace yes.
oh I can't wait for the ng's to say this is a lie.

higharm

06-27-2008, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by W_D_1

The prosecution went to great lengths to make it look like Scott was selling Laci's jewelry behind her back. They even brought an EBay investigator to the trial. You can bet your last dollar that if any of her jewelry was missing it would have been in testimony. [/*]

you are wrong. you better go huddle with others and get them to tell you the truth before I post exactly who it was who told me. Then the cat will surely be out of the bag that someone very important knows that jewelry was missing, and if it is not grandma's then where did it come from.

you would certainly be suprised who told me too. I would like to see you call THEM a liar?

higharm

06-27-2008, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by earth goddess

I don't live there and never have. I used tolive on N Santa Cruz when this happened, but that's not the airport district. [/*]

I meant modesto, not the airport district, sorry.

higharm

06-27-2008, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Thank you for the laughs. I love free entertainment. :lol: :lol: [/*]

maybe you should try asking a real person, start with the petersons, maybe they will tell you? have you asked?

higharm

06-27-2008, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by W_D_1

I have been for about an hour now. All I've seen is you saying not to believe everything you hear. Thanks for letting me know not to believe you. :lol: [/*]

oh don't worry I will be putting it all on the net, along with everyone who told me confidential info. So they can all see who is really trustworthy. I bet the petersons are going to love that too.

yah this is going to blow wide open.

civil trial have at it, Scott will still be in prison on death row at his appeal too, and if anyone testifies, it will be AGAINST him, NOT for him.

you want to drag innocent people into this, well maybe you all will really wish you had not. I will see to it Scott Peterson never gets off death row.

Frydaddy

06-27-2008, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by earth goddess

Here's what makes it less than believable. Deense received and signed for aponte tip in May of 2004. Jenson didn't interview Tenbrink until Dec 2005. He's going to remember the exact date from three years prior??????

Not to mention that it's also hearsay considering that Todd was available to t estify as to what he said. [/*]

Without a doubt!

Frydaddy

06-27-2008, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by TexMex

FD and Sturgeon....

What were their names? Was it Pasqual and Francois? [/*]

I'm not sure, the dog was barking too loud in the background! :D

higharm

06-27-2008, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by feathergirl

Why would you expect people to believe that someone has all this information and yet is keeping it secret.

For what reason? [/*]

which info. Different reasons why different people are quiet.

For one, the Petersons are keeping a LOT quiet. It is not going to look good for Scott.

There is a good reason the search warrants were sealed

No one wanted it out what was going on. Well too bad. It is going to come out if people don't quit trying to blame other innocent people.

I will so hang scott peterson it is not funny

higharm

06-27-2008, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Why would I waste my time verifying something said by someone who said "not to believe everything you hear" especially when testimony proves that person is wrong? :lol: [/*]

why not, you people have wasted 6 years searching the modesto phone book LOL... seems like one question to the petersons would be pretty simple... IF you have the contacts. Don't have access to the confidential info? oh too sad

higharm

06-27-2008, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by feathergirl
It would be so nice if we could get back on topic and stop letting this silly little game be played with us.

If this poster had any special info that he/she wants to contribute, they should just do it or else get back to talking about the things that we ALL know. [/*]

I'll go post it elsewhere. All of it.
Including confidential info from the petersons and their investigators. Yes it was leaked.

Sturgeon_Moon

06-27-2008, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by TexMex

FD and Sturgeon....

What were their names? Was it Pasqual and Francois? [/*]That sounds right.:biggrin:

Sturgeon_Moon

06-27-2008, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by Frydaddy

I'm not sure, the dog was barking too loud in the background! :D [/*]:lol:

BFD - v2.0

06-27-2008, 04:16 AM

Originally posted by higharm

which info. Different reasons why different people are quiet.

For one, the Petersons are keeping a LOT quiet. It is not going to look good for Scott.

There is a good reason the search warrants were sealed

No one wanted it out what was going on. Well too bad. It is going to come out if people don't quit trying to blame other innocent people.

I will so hang scott peterson it is not funny [/*]

How can you hang someone who's already been hung?

How silly.

As if you're going to make Scott even "more guilty". He on DEATH ROW, in case you hadn't heard.

Well, of course you've heard... you have all this inside information.

Your writing style is very familiar. So is the tone of your post. You've been saying these same things for the last 5 years. No information has been forthcoming yet.

Wudge+

06-27-2008, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by higharm

The houses of the people you think you know all about. You know your address matches you all have. Do you know how many of them are my family? I guess I can ask them what happened and KNOW what REALLY went on. I am related to them. I would think that is better than looking in phone books to try to figure it out.

I KNOW. I REALLY KNOW. And all of you find my family names and sit there and try to investigate them and ME from a phone book and stupid intellius reports LOL.

First off you all have my name wrong LOL, and then you find someone elses mother in a rest home and say she is connected to the HIG LOL That one really blew me over. Good lord it is a rest home you people. And it is not my mother. YOu are tying my mom to the HIG? good lord! yah it's my mother and she is in her 80's and involved with the HIG... get real! do you know how ridiculous that is? [/*]

I've never mentioned your Mother.

Wudge+

06-27-2008, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by higharm
t

So what game is this? Why don't you just say you all have spent umpteen million hours on intellius, ancestry.com, people search, phone books etc, trying to match these people up. Yet you have not talked to a single one of them to know if this stuff is correct or not. You have so much stuff wrong I could not even begin to make a list of it, but I DO have it all copied what you think. You think I don't know? I do. One of you were telling me everything. One of you gave me your password to use to go look. I know everything you all have been doing and trying to connect me to this crime and my family. You people are ridiculous.

try connecting me to all these people, you can probably do that too. Wow, maybe I do know them and know something? you think? duh! My family people. They have nothing to do with this. Did you think I would help you prove they did?

Thanks for all you bs info. I have shown it all to all of them.

You think anyone is going to testify for Scott Peterson? You got to be kidding. No one cares about Scott Peterson, and keep it up and they will be testifying AGAINST him. [/*]

I never said your family was involved.

Frydaddy

06-27-2008, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by Beebee
The three men that Diane Jackson saw.....

I think it's possible it was these three:

At the robbery scenes, the indictment charges, victims were physically hurt. Silva, Martinez and Morrison are charged with committing sexual assaults, an attempted murder and other violent attacks, kidnapping and car and gun thefts. The indictment charges that they committed the crimes to benefit the Norteños street gang.

(the above came from the Modesto Bee, but the link no longer works)

These guys were part of the home invasion gang that was eventually busted, and all are doing life in prison now. Silva has multiple life sentences. He lived in Modesto in 2002. One of the early reports about him includes:

David Anthony Silva, 29, of Modesto, who is still at large, were wanted in connection to an alleged kidnapping that took place in Modesto. The men allegedly kidnapped a woman at gunpoint, but she was later able to escape from them following a pursuit by the California Highway Patrol, said Modesto Police Sgt. Ron Cloward.

This is what Silva, Martinez and Morrison look like:

http://www.stanislaussheriff.com/Whatnew/home_robbery/photo_info/

Jackson's description:

http://dwb.sacbee.com/24hour/special_reports/laci_peterson/story/7433534p-8351578c.html [/*]

If you saw any of these people and a safe in the front yard, when and who would you call?

Frydaddy

06-27-2008, 11:42 AM

My Friday challenge...

If you think you have info the rest of the forum isn't privy to, put up or beat feet. Anyone here can claim to have evidence for or against Scott, the secrecy is both juvenile and severely lacking in credibility.

I have no problem with discussing the case and adamant disagreement, but this thread has become a bizarre train wreck.

margaritaville

06-27-2008, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Donuts

I'm paying attention to what you are writing about Todd & Pearce and it makes sense.

Todd & Pearce were small time burglars and known to the MPD.

Once the MPD interviewed Todd for the Medina burglary, would they really let him go if they thought he also abducted Laci? I don't think so.....If the MPD thought both were involved in Laci's disappearance, wouldn't they play one against the other to get a confession?

Time to focus a little on Scott. Didn't Scott try to give Amber jewelry? [/*]

Try?
Scott did give Amber jewelry......It was jewelry made of Amber IIRC...

California

06-27-2008, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

And in all of the years since the trial Diane Jackson has never come out and said she didn't see a safe. [/*]:confused: What else has she not said?:confused:

California

06-27-2008, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by higharm

None of these people are ever going to testify about anything. Why should they? [/*]Wouldn't they have already done it?

California

06-27-2008, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by higharm

she had a diamond necklace yes.
oh I can't wait for the ng's to say this is a lie. [/*]Didn't she have a gold anklet?

Frydaddy

06-27-2008, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by Beebee

If I drove by I might not call anyone right away. Later if I heard there was a missing person, then I would call to report the suspicious activity just in case it could be related.

Jackson didn't live on Covena, did she? [/*]

Around the corner if I recall correctly.

I can comprehend not calling right away, but wouldn't you call MPD?

Frydaddy

06-27-2008, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by Beebee

At the time, I don't think she knew what she saw. After she reported what she saw, it was obvious that she saw the burglary. The Medina's weren't home and their safe was stolen. [/*]

Did she specify seeing the men at the Medina's?

California

06-27-2008, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Donuts

Thanks higharm for the date of the robbery!

Do you know when the pole camera directed at the Peterson house went up?

Why place a camera to view the Peterson residence after Laci "disappeared"? Scott was being followed by that time.

Was that camera up BEFORE Laci vanished? I wonder why Geragos never pressed for more infomation on the pole cam. [/*]Do you know Geragos didn't have complete information on the pole camera?

earth goddess

06-27-2008, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by Frydaddy

Around the corner if I recall correctly.

I can comprehend not calling right away, but wouldn't you call MPD? [/*]

What is weird is that Jackson did not call in when the information about Laci being missing was out. She waited until the burglary was reportred with the $1000 reward before calling.

I would think she would have called in when the news of the disappearance was announced, but she did not. She waited until the 27th to call in - at 4:19 pm.

Frydaddy

06-27-2008, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Beebee

If she lived around the corner, I wonder how well she knew the Medinas... if at all?

I would be hesitant on calling in case they were legit workers or friends of the Medinas. How could she really know what was going on?... I'd be on the fence, but once I heard a person was missing I would call, and it looks like that's what she did.

I find the timing to be interesting. 11:40.

Where was Laci at 11:40? [/*]

Depends on whether or not you believe Karen Servais. The SP world believes in Diane Jackson, but has made KS a villain.

Frydaddy

06-27-2008, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by earth goddess

What is weird is that Jackson did not call in when the information about Laci being missing was out. She waited until the burglary was reportred with the $1000 reward before calling.

I would think she would have called in when the news of the disappearance was announced, but she did not. She waited until the 27th to call in - at 4:19 pm. [/*]

Yes, my recall has faded on the case, but I do remember us discussing this. Thanks for the reminder! ;)

caphill

06-27-2008, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by higharm

Not true, that is NOT all that is missing. Obviously you are out of the center loop of the ng's, even some of them know better than that, and it is FOR SURE you do not KNOW, and you certainly are not in contact with the Petersons. So don't tell me you know and I don't, I went straight to the source and asked. There is other jewelry missing. [/*]

Was the stolen Medina jewelry ever recovered? Wonder how the thieves were aware of such a large haul of jewelry in the Medina house which just coincidentally was right across the street from the Petersons who had just come into a substantial worth of jewelry.

Frydaddy

06-27-2008, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by Beebee

Yes, by a van.

Here is what was reported:

http://dwb.sacbee.com/24hour/special_reports/laci_peterson/story/7433534p-8351578c.html [/*]

Hmmm, she couldn't recall the color of the van, but she knew the street address?

earth goddess

06-27-2008, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Frydaddy

Did she specify seeing the men at the Medina's? [/*]Yes, she would have had to be traveling N on Covena towards her house. The van was parked in front of the Medina's house with the back doors open, two men at the back of the van and one in the yard. I seriously doubt she saw any safe in that amount of time as the van would have blocked her view. She also did not mention any dolly, and Todd says he moved the safe with the dolly and a dolly WAS found in the bushes in front of the house.

Everything cooroborates Tidd and Pearce's version of what happened, down to the method of entry and moving of the safre, yet people want to believe what a drive-by person is CLAIMED to have said - yet never told the police or the defense investigators in those reports which I am sure she had to SIGN. Instead, they believe Mark Geragos, the world's biggest shyster ever created. MG is the man who gives lawyers a bad name imo.

There's no proof that teh tip was taken by a cop either. It was taken at the search center, not at MPD. Steele put it on the tip sheet, but ther's no evidence he took the call. He could have jsut written what he was told by someone else who may have wanted to deflect attention from Peterson.

Wasn't Scott aware of the burglary BEFORE DJ's report became public?

BFD - v2.0

06-27-2008, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by Frydaddy

Depends on whether or not you believe Karen Servais. The SP world believes in Diane Jackson, but has made KS a villain. [/*]

Mainly because Servas changed her times and then got extremely defensive on the stand.

A person's attitude and mannerisms are definitely in play as to whether to believe a witness or not.

I did not find Karen to be believable.

She's not a villain, I just don't believe her. Nor do I know whether to believe anything Diane Jackson says, her memories were toyed with and someone else toyed with tips sheets, police reports, etc. So that throws everything up in the air.

So, let's not paint with such a broad stroke. No one has generalized the CourtTv "G" crowd. But I could break out the thesaurus if needed.

earth goddess

06-27-2008, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Frydaddy

Yes, my recall has faded on the case, but I do remember us discussing this. Thanks for the reminder! ;) [/*]

I made a typo - she called in at 4:10, not 4:19. I believe a missing safe had been reportede by that time also.

BFD - v2.0

06-27-2008, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Frydaddy

Hmmm, she couldn't recall the color of the van, but she knew the street address? [/*]

:confused:

when she saw three men standing near a tan van parked in front of 516 Covena Ave.

As if you weren't aware that this is paraphrasing anyway.

earth goddess

06-27-2008, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

What date and time did she find out Laci was missing? She may not have known until the 27th. It was the holiday and people were busy and not glued to tv's. [/*]

The town was blanketed by fliiers on the 26th. And she wouldn't have seen all the cops around the neighborhood on the 24th? They were everywhere, canvasing the neighborhood, knocking on doors, stopping people. People walking from the park to the Peterson house would be going right by DJU's house. She would have had to live in a bunker to not notice. She lived on the CORNER of an unnamed street and Covena

Frydaddy

06-27-2008, 01:21 PM

Frydaddy

06-27-2008, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

:confused:

As if you weren't aware that this is paraphrasing anyway. [/*]

You know how this works...splitting hairs and using common sense when it favors Scott is fine, when it doesn't, we have protest.

The point is, you can take this thing step by step and no matter what direction you go, Jackson's story makes no sense, there is always something that stands out as improbably based on logic. Yet we should ignore the improbabilities and trust everything about her.

On the flip side there is Karen Servas, who was asked by Scott to scrutinize the timeline and when she does and it doesn't help Scott, it actually hurts him, then she's a good for nothing liar, to most.

earth goddess

06-27-2008, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

Mainly because Servas changed her times and then got extremely defensive on the stand.

A person's attitude and mannerisms are definitely in play as to whether to believe a witness or not.

I did not find Karen to be believable.

She's not a villain, I just don't believe her. Nor do I know whether to believe anything Diane Jackson says, her memories were toyed with and someone else toyed with tips sheets, police reports, etc. So that throws everything up in the air.

So, let's not paint with such a broad stroke. No one has generalized the CourtTv "G" crowd. But I could break out the thesaurus if needed. [/*] Of course, she got defensing on the stand. Geragos kept interrupting her and not letting her answer the questions.

She provided documented proof of her time change about the dog issue. And she notified authorities of it as soon as she found said documentation, within days of her original statement.

You also seem to forget that SCOTT told her to narrow down the time fame also. She was only trying to be helpful and Scott's attty is attacking her. She did nothign wrong, yet SHE is the one who is being attacked.

She even has to ask the judge to let her talk. She is trying to answer, but MG isn't getting the answers he wants so he's interrupting her. Who bears the responsibility for that. Not an upstanding citizen who is trying to do the right thing.

Frydaddy

06-27-2008, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by Beebee

What day do you think Jackson drove down Covena and saw the men and the van? Like you said, who could miss the police and media presence on that street starting the eve of the 24th??

As far as I am concerned, we can leave the safe out of it for this purpose. [/*]

IMO, she might have seen three men and a van on the 24th near the Medina house. But also MO, there's an equal chance she made it up.

earth goddess

06-27-2008, 01:56 PM

: If that's when he did the report, that's correct, but I notified him less than 48 hours after that.

GERAGOS: Can you tell me when it says, see if that refreshes your recollection as to when you actually talked to him?

SERVAS: He called me back. I talked to him,

GERAGOS: A month later?

SERVAS: Can you let me explain it, please?

GERAGOS: No, I'm going to ask the questions.

JUDGE: Now, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

SERVAS: I would like to be able to explain.

GERAGOS: I will explain.

She is trying to explain something and Geragos says HE will explain - he is not on the stand. This is harrassment. Even the judge is saying to wait. Guess he needs the Geragos spin on it....ROFLMAO

Wudge+

06-27-2008, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by Beebee

Well, since the Medina home was burglarized and the items taken did not fit on a bike, or in a small honda, it makes sense to me the van and other men could be involved. [/*]

(chuckle)

In 1961, Henry Marshall was investigating Billy Sol Estes. Marshall was found dead in Franklin, Texas, He had been shot five times in his back and side with a single-shot rifle.

I was watching TV when they interviewed the sheriff. He said: "it's a clear case of suicide. I have no reason to believe otherwise".

LE accepting Todd's asinine claim that, except for the safe, he carted off the rest of the stolen items on the back of his bike reeks of LE involvement in a cover-up comparable to the cover-up in Henry Marshall's murder.

Frydaddy

06-27-2008, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by Beebee

Well, since the Medina home was burglarized and the items taken did not fit on a bike, or in a small honda, it makes sense to me the van and other men could be involved. [/*]

Yep...COULD BE...no van though, no dark skinned men...Todd and Pearce had some of the stuff in their possession...they confessed (the 26th)...passed poly's on it...Jackson called three days later...sketchy details at best.

Geragos could have called Todd, Pearce, Steele, Aponte, and either Tenbrink or admit the tip sheet, he played the dumb card and waited to drop his load in JD's lap at the last minute. Why? No cross in front of the jury.

Guess we're back to MG and MPD incomptence argument from the one side and burglary is unrelated to Scott killing Laci and Conner on the other.

Frydaddy

06-27-2008, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

That doesn't mean she knew what was going on. I didn't know my neighbors house had burned to the ground until someone told me a day later and the fire trucks drove right past my house. I knew something was going on but not what.

It was Christmas, a very busy time for many people but moreso for others. Did you live with her to know her schedule and what she knew and didn't? [/*]

Isn't it an odd phenomenon that we all have an example of something extraordinary that supports our own arguments in cases like this?

Common sense says that she had to know there was police activity in that area long before she reported anything.

Wudge+

06-27-2008, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by Frydaddy

Yep...COULD BE...no van though, no dark skinned men...Todd and Pearce had some of the stuff in their possession...they confessed (the 26th)...passed poly's on it..

SNIP

.

LE never said Todd and Pearce passed a polygraph. That's more case mythology.

earth goddess

06-27-2008, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by Frydaddy

Isn't it an odd phenomenon that we all have an example of something extraordinary that supports our own arguments in cases like this?

Common sense says that she had to know there was police activity in that area long before she reported anything. [/*]

Judge Cordova knew about it on the 25th when he saw the shsoes and he lived farther away than Jacksson did.

Frydaddy

06-27-2008, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

LE never said Todd and Pearce passed a polygraph. That's more case mythology. [/*]

Do you think they took them?

margaritaville

06-27-2008, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by Beebee

The home invasion people that I posted about on the previous page targeted homes with small businesses, and Susan Medina had a business at home. How they got all their info I don't know.

If somebody wanted Peterson jewelry, (knew about it) why didn't they go into the home and get it? [/*]

Oh come on you should know the answer to that by now!!

Because Scott was involved...Duh!
Haven't you been reading higharms posts....;)

Isn't he the fence???

FoxySly

06-27-2008, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by TexMex

I'm as comfortable with it as I am in my favorite boots and blue jeans sipping on a Shiner Bock. [/*]

:seeya: Hello Texy!!!

Hope ya got them jeans tucked into those boots 'cause it's looking like the same ol BS we walked through before.

Sly
P.S. hope everything is going great for ya! Things here are good. Take care.

Wudge+

06-27-2008, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by Frydaddy

Do you think they took them? [/*]

I suspect Pearce did.

Wudge+

06-27-2008, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by Beebee

I agree Wudge, and to top it off, not only were they "believed", they did pleas for a lesser sentence.

Do you remember this:

That was in the Modesto Bee but the link no longer works.

Unbelievable. [/*]

I remember reading that like it was yesterday. Based on experience, my "tell a lie, cut a deal" antenna immediately began to vibrate like crazy.

margaritaville

06-27-2008, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by TexMex

Foxy!

Great to see ya!

LOL...that's a great idea. I mean all these tortured reasonings when the answer is so simple. Husband kills wife. Sad but true.
Happens all the time. [/*]

But good looking guys don't so that! Only the icky ones that "look" like murderers do...

People that grow up privileged would never.......

It has to be the icky burglars from across the street...yah, yah...it must be them..

Scott would never hurt Laci. Scott Loved her.. Just ask Amber!

Frydaddy

06-27-2008, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by Wudge+

I suspect Pearce did. [/*]

If Pearce did, why wouldn't Todd? After the alleged polygraphs of Todd and Pearce, the police said the burglary and Laci's disappearance were unrelated. So, in a sense, they did say they passed with regards to Laci. So, you pretty much have to claim a PD wide conspiracy to frame Scott, when they had the killers or accomplices in custody. To think that all those LE personnel would do such a thing just to nail Scott is ludicrous.

I suppose you could say those bumbling idiots Todd and Pearce were both wizards at cheating polygraphs AND loyal and/or scared of the other members of this, thus far, fictional crew; but if either were gifted with such qualities, why would they be living in sheds and riding bikes? As always, such things defy logic.

Frydaddy

06-27-2008, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

If we were talking about someone who disappeared on March 20th you might have a point but we are talking about someone who disappeared during the busiest holiday of the year.

We don't even know that Diane Jackson was in town between the time she saw the burglary and the 27th. She may have gone to visit family, or had family in at her house so it's impossible to assume when she knew about Laci's disappearance. [/*]

You are correct that any of this is POSSIBLE, but the only fact is, she waited three days to report what she thought could have been a burglary to a tip line about a missing woman. Yet she didn't think anything about calling MPD about a burglary the three days in between.

Logic would indicate she was trying to fit the men she saw into a crime (trying to be helpful or trying to filch a reward) or she made them up to do the latter.

BFD - v2.0

06-27-2008, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by Beebee

Think about your post for a minute.

Icky? yah, yah? How old are you for cripes sake?

If you think the majority of people posting here (in defense of Scott) think in that manner, you are sadly mistaken.

Why do you (and some others) get so upset that Scott cheated with Amber? Millions of husbands cheat, I'm sure you know that, so why do you hate Scott so much for it? It's not like he cheated on you. Amber is so laughable as a motive for murder, so why is she such a big part of the equation for you? Here is some shocking news-- many men who cheat love their wives and would never leave them. Would you have felt better if after Laci went missing Scott told Amber to &%^$ OFF with all her non-stop calling (and taping...)?? Have you ever considered he felt bad for the position he thought he put her in, and also believed she was trying to be a friend?

Or is it just impossible for you to talk about the case facts without all the drama? Do you know the case facts?

In fact.... will you give me your opinion on what Adam Tenbrink said to his brother?? When you play it out in your mind, how do you think that whole thing transpired?? Aponte, Tenbrinks, Mr. R..... the worker at the prison.

It will be interesting to see if you can/will respond. [/*]

Laci did go missing after he told Amber to &%^$ off.

Frydaddy

06-27-2008, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by Beebee

I have spent a lot of time wondering what could and did motivate the main investigators from the MPD in this case to dismiss the Medina burglary, because it wasn't because Todd and Pearce were truthful.

I'm sure there is a reason -- we just don't know what it is... maybe a LE informant was part of the burglary and they wanted to make sure that informant could keep on working? I've read some amazing things when informants are involved. Especially gang related informants out in CA. Have you ever heard of Operation Black Widow? Just an example of how things are not always as they seem.

I don't have the answers, but I know darn well that Todd and Pearce lied their butts off and IMO the MPD know it too. [/*]

Sincere question...not trying to perpetuate any arguing here. Where do most people gather their information on Todd and Pearce as far as what lies they told? Since neither testified and all we heard about them was through media outlets (some quoting LE), it seems difficult to separate the facts from all the speculation on the internet boards.

I am sure there are times when embedded informants are protected, but to the extent that it had anything to do with Scott, there are too many members of LE to think that someone wouldn't stumble on to this and spill the beans. IMO, anyway.

Hey Paula

06-27-2008, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by Beebee

FG,

Many people question her timeline.

Why didn't the Medinas see anything?? They were in and out all morning and left at 10:30-- confirmed by cell phone records. Yet they never saw the dog or Karen??

Sorry, but Karen "I just realized I was an hour off" isn't the holy grail on time-lines in my book. [/*]

Hi Beebee!

I think Karen was an hour off because she hadn't adjusted one of the clocks from DST to PST.

IMO

Hey Paula

06-27-2008, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by Beebee

But when she showed up an hour early for her party, don't you think the host would notice and point it out to Karen??

Taking all that time to "realize" is bull. [/*]

I thought it was her attendance at the party, coupled with a phone call she'd made, which made realize she gave LE the wrong time and corrected herself.

She showed up an hour early for a party? I didn't know that!

Wudge+

06-27-2008, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by Frydaddy

If Pearce did, why wouldn't Todd? After the alleged polygraphs of Todd and Pearce, the police said the burglary and Laci's disappearance were unrelated. So, in a sense, they did say they passed with regards to Laci. So, you pretty much have to claim a PD wide conspiracy to frame Scott, when they had the killers or accomplices in custody. To think that all those LE personnel would do such a thing just to nail Scott is ludicrous.

I suppose you could say those bumbling idiots Todd and Pearce were both wizards at cheating polygraphs AND loyal and/or scared of the other members of this, thus far, fictional crew; but if either were gifted with such qualities, why would they be living in sheds and riding bikes? As always, such things defy logic. [/*]

Todd may have been given a lie detector test. He never claimed that happened though, nor did LE claim that either Todd or Pearce passed a polygraph test.

My point was that it has long been urban legend that Todd and Pearce passed a lie detector test, nothing more.

We all have been long case followers, but even to this day we occasionally hear others present case lure as fact. It's important to clear up what we can.

earth goddess

06-27-2008, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by Frydaddy

Do you think they took them? [/*]

Crier says they did in her book.

earth goddess

06-27-2008, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by margaritaville

Oh come on you should know the answer to that by now!!

Because Scott was involved...Duh!
Haven't you been reading higharms posts....;)

Isn't he the fence??? [/*]

As for home invastion, Covena is not a high-profile, area with lots of money showing.

The home invasions that were going on were out in the country or in very visible high-end homes. Off the top of my heqd, I cannot recall ONE that took p0lace in the Modesto city limits.

Not to mention, that home invasion gang tend to pick on their own ethnic group, i.e., SE Asians go for SE Asian home owners as they don't use banks and keep lots of gold and money at home. Todda nd Pearce are white.

Okito

06-27-2008, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Setting out for a walk with McKenzie? [/*]

An hour and 22 minutes AFTER Karen Servas put McKenzie back in the yard? No gingerbread ready to go into the oven? No French toast marinating for brunch?

Laci was en route to the bay in a tarp covered middle aged man dinky Sears Craftsman boat purchased for the occasion and prolly destined for dumping as soon as possible.

earth goddess

06-27-2008, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by Frydaddy

If Pearce did, why wouldn't Todd? After the alleged polygraphs of Todd and Pearce, the police said the burglary and Laci's disappearance were unrelated. So, in a sense, they did say they passed with regards to Laci. So, you pretty much have to claim a PD wide conspiracy to frame Scott, when they had the killers or accomplices in custody. To think that all those LE personnel would do such a thing just to nail Scott is ludicrous.

I suppose you could say those bumbling idiots Todd and Pearce were both wizards at cheating polygraphs AND loyal and/or scared of the other members of this, thus far, fictional crew; but if either were gifted with such qualities, why would they be living in sheds and riding bikes? As always, such things defy logic. [/*]

They were questioned separately. Peace did finger Todd, - their stories jived. most of the stolen items were recovered - there was much to believe that these were, indeed, the right culprits even without a polygraph. They had details only the burglar would have, the dolly for instance. I don't recall Diane ever saying that a safe was being moved via a dolly, do you?

earth goddess

06-27-2008, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

Hi Beebee!

I think Karen was an hour off because she hadn't adjusted one of the clocks from DST to PST.

IMO [/*]

I agree on her afternoon time. However, her morning tim was not based on the same clock that we know of and her morning time was backed up by receipts from three places that all say the same thing. Cell phones and ATMs are automatically changed for DSP tp PST.

And Karen didn't see the MEDINAS BECAUSE

a. from their testimony, they were in and out of their house

*. they were leaving and entering NOT from the front of their house (their car was on the side of the house)

c She was at Austins making purchase when they left. She then went to Starbucks, and the bank and PrimeShine before returning home. Theior vehicles would not have crossed paths because she went from the bank up McHenry to Prime Shine (N) and they would be going @ to the freeway.

Karen estimated that her trip from her home to Austins was 11 minutes.which is reasonable as it took me 14 minutes from Covena to the warehouse which is on the other side of town. I just did street to street rather than door to door and her timing was door to door.

earth goddess

06-27-2008, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

I thought it was her attendance at the party, coupled with a phone call she'd made, which made realize she gave LE the wrong time and corrected herself.

She showed up an hour early for a party? I didn't know that! [/*]

No, Paula. They are trying to mix up her information. The phone call time corroborated her 10"18 time. Her afternoon time (I believe she got from her vehicle clock. There is absolutly NOTHING that the two separate incidents hafve in common other than the fact that people want to confuse the truth. Thankfully, the jury didn't fall for it.

Raven

06-27-2008, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

Laci did go missing after he told Amber to &%^$ off. [/*]

LOL!!! Better post that since no one here heard him do anything but beg her to meet him at Lake Arrowhead!! Put a birthday present in the bushes!! Had a map to her work the day he was running for the border!!

Doesn't sound like he told her anything of the sort, but then, BFD, you wouldn't sound like you if you didn't say something silly. :lol:

earth goddess

06-27-2008, 08:00 PM

Let's put another myth to rest:

October 15 Glen Pearce gives a media interview—his first since being charged with the burglary of Rudy and Susan Medina's home. Pearce states that he passed a polygraph test given to him shortly after Laci Peterson's disappearance. Refuting defense suggestions that she could have met foul play when interrupting the burglary, he states, "My answer to that is I didn't have nothing to do with it. I never knew she was gone. I never even heard of her till all this **** happened." Responding to the oft-asked question about how he and accomplice Steven Todd could have hauled off a safe during a time when the media had already descended on Covena Avenue, Pearce recalls that he saw bright lights that could have belonged to satellite trucks parked at the end of the street, but contends that there were no journalists near the Medina's home. Pearce says that investigators did not encourage him to change his story to fit the timeline they had developed for the case.

http://www.crimenews2000.com/lacipeterson/when/when0410.htm