June 26th - 27th

[Wudge+]

Originally posted by earth goddess
They were questioned separately. Peace did finger Todd, - their stories jived. most of the stolen items were recovered - there was much to believe that these were, indeed, the right culprits even without a polygraph. They had details only the burglar would have, the dolly for instance. I don't recall Diane ever saying that a safe was being moved via a dolly, do you? [/*]

As for Todd and Pearce allegedly havng details that only the burglar would know, that is not true. Because their storyline could not have been true. Moreover, the stories Todd and Pearce told did not come in for the truth.

HTH

[earth goddess]

Originally posted by TexMex


Hi BB


Talk about drmatic.

It is dramatic when a pregnant woman goes missing on Christmas Eve. Her family pleading for her return. Her husband with his tears streaming asking for her return. Every local channel and many national and cable networks following the case. Interviews and searches by the community.

Scott did this and was convicted. Who cares about Tenbrick, bumbling druggy petty thieves, or the other minutia being discussed. Please. "Oh, just calm down and talk about stuff that is unrelated to the case so we don't have to face the fact that a guy we've been defending for five years is a cold blooded killer who will die in prison".
Now that is dramatic. [/*]

I think it's more childish to defend a murderer a lot more childish than a few phrases. As for married men cheating and not leaving their wives, let me see.....

Michael Fletcher is another married man who cheated on his wife and his wife wound up dead. I believe Eriic Bechtel is another one.

Women want to believe the man they is concerned for her well-being. That is what makes it a tragic event - th e person they rely on to be their defender is in reality the man who kills them. The men cannot be honest enough to step up t o the plate and say "I'd ra ther not be married." Murder is more an option for them.

Many men murder their wives. It makes me glad that I never remarried.

[Wudge+]

Originally posted by earth goddess
Let's put another myth to rest:


October 15 Glen Pearce gives a media interview—his first since being charged with the burglary of Rudy and Susan Medina's home. Pearce states that he passed a polygraph test given to him shortly after Laci Peterson's disappearance. Refuting defense suggestions that she could have met foul play when interrupting the burglary, he states, "My answer to that is I didn't have nothing to do with it. I never knew she was gone. I never even heard of her till all this **** happened." Responding to the oft-asked question about how he and accomplice Steven Todd could have hauled off a safe during a time when the media had already descended on Covena Avenue, Pearce recalls that he saw bright lights that could have belonged to satellite trucks parked at the end of the street, but contends that there were no journalists near the Medina's home. Pearce says that investigators did not encourage him to change his story to fit the timeline they had developed for the case.


http://www.crimenews2000.com/lacipeterson/when/when0410.htm [/*]

I posted earlier that LE never claimed that Todd or Pearce passed a lie detector test. Over the years, many people have said they did pass a lie detector but no such reporting has yet been produced. That's why I said it was case mythology.

If you can produce such a reporting that would be helpful.

[Frydaddy]

Originally posted by Beebee


Frydaddy,

I think what you are saying could also be true, although I don't get why she would make up only a vague description- that doesn't get a person a reward. But let's say Diane Jackson didn't see the van and men.

Consider what was taken from the Medina home. Todd does not own a car. He rides a bike. Pearce has access to a small honda. That doesn't jive at all with what was taken..... there had to be more people involved, imo. [/*]

I'll grant there were inconsistencies with the burglars...how much of that was them trying to weasel out of charges...hard to say. If they had the same suspicion of LE that many here do, who could blame them for wanting to avoid MPD pinning Laci on them?

Crier's book, for what it is worth to you, says that they used a four door truck. I've heard plenty about the bike and the red Honda, but Pearce worked on vehicles for income, suppose it's possible that he used a rig he was working on to haul the booty. If they had a truck, the two man robbery is much more plausible.

Personally, I think they robbed the place on the early morning of the 26th. Sure there are issues with their story, but common sense tells me that with families gathering for Christmas festivities, mid-morning loses to sun-up as a better time to thieve.

[Frydaddy]

Originally posted by Beebee


I think it is a good and necessary question.

The officer who investigated the burglary was Hicks, so there is info in his testimony. Other relevant testimony is Susan Medina (she describes her mailbox details) and the mailman Graybill. It doesn't fit with what Todd claimed to Hicks. The lies emerge and then the complete list of what was taken in the Medina burglary make it even more obvious they lied. There is also the issue of the police and media presence on Covena from 12/24 eve on.... [/*]

I'll have to refresh my memory on these details, been too long since I read ANY testimony. I will say this...Graybill I trust, Medina, not as much. Something about her testimony and story just didn't feel right. Just my opinion though.

As for the mailbox, that is one reason I would have liked to see Todd called as a witness, to clear up what he was talking about.

[Frydaddy]

Originally posted by Wudge+


Todd may have been given a lie detector test. He never claimed that happened though, nor did LE claim that either Todd or Pearce passed a polygraph test.

My point was that it has long been urban legend that Todd and Pearce passed a lie detector test, nothing more.

We all have been long case followers, but even to this day we occasionally hear others present case lure as fact. It's important to clear up what we can. [/*]

Crier's book said they both submitted to them and police issued a statement shortly after that they weren't involved with Laci. Logically, that means they passed on the Laci investigation. Now, it's up to each person to decide what to believe regarding the burglars, the police, and Crier, but I think it's a reach to assume all three were lying. Not sure when or where or even why Todd would have said he took and passed one, unless I missed an interview with him somewhere.

[Frydaddy]

Originally posted by earth goddess


Crier says they did in her book. [/*]

Yes, I thought I remembered it in there, but I wasn't sure. TY!

[earth goddess]

Originally posted by Frydaddy


I'll have to refresh my memory on these details, been too long since I read ANY testimony. I will say this...Graybill I trust, Medina, not as much. Something about her testimony and story just didn't feel right. Just my opinion though.

As for the mailbox, that is one reason I would have liked to see Todd called as a witness, to clear up what he was talking about. [/*]

There is much of Medina that is open to impeachment imo. Her seeing Scott's truck in the driveway from her kichen windowat 5am when it was pitch black and there is very poor lighting on Copvena at night..is one thing. There are others Her claims to having $50,000 cash in the safe when she states she was paid in CHECKS and both bank bags were in teh safe empty. Todd did not just say the mailbox was his clue, he also said that only one car in the driveway (on the pad), was also a clue for him.

Todd had an alibi for that Christmas eve morning and I am sure that was checked out. There was also a footprint by the kicked-in doors. I doubt 3 short of stature men would have footprints as large as a six foot man. Todd also rode down Covena frequen tly on his way to see either his mother or his kids and he would notice one versus two cars in a locat ion. I believe the Medinas also drove high-end autos - Mercedes or BMwWs. The fact that most of the stolen good were recovered also points to their willingness to be forthcoming to the police.

[Wudge+]

Originally posted by Frydaddy


I'll grant there were inconsistencies with the burglars...how much of that was them trying to weasel out of charges...hard to say. If they had the same suspicion of LE that many here do, who could blame them for wanting to avoid MPD pinning Laci on them?

Crier's book, for what it is worth to you, says that they used a four door truck. I've heard plenty about the bike and the red Honda, but Pearce worked on vehicles for income, suppose it's possible that he used a rig he was working on to haul the booty. If they had a truck, the two man robbery is much more plausible.

Personally, I think they robbed the place on the early morning of the 26th. Sure there are issues with their story, but common sense tells me that with families gathering for Christmas festivities, mid-morning loses to sun-up as a better time to thieve. [/*]

Todd claims one of the reasons he targeted the Medina's home is that there was but one car in the driveway and that he saw mail in the mailbox on Christmas day as he rode by on his bike.

A single car in the driveway does not equate to an empty home. Moreover, the mail Todd claims he saw would have been impossible for anyone to have have seen. It's impossible because Mr. Graybill picked up the outgoing mail on 12/24 and the Medina's metal security mailbox precludes anyone seeing mail left by the postman. So we know this is proof that Todd lied.

Moreover, the whole world knows that Chistmas day is December 25th. Yet Todd told Officer Hicks that he went back home and returned that night, the "27th of December".

On the witness stand Officer Hicks said Todd was "confused". The fact is that we all know for a fact that the 27th of December does not follow Christmas. That is not "confusion". That is yet another way that Todd's story impeaches itself.

If it had been your son on trial, you would have been screaming that all of the ways the burglar's story impeaches itself proves that the burglar's lied about the burglary taking place on 12/26. And everyone would believe you.

[Wudge+]

Originally posted by Frydaddy


Crier's book said they both submitted to them and police issued a statement shortly after that they weren't involved with Laci. Logically, that means they passed on the Laci investigation. Now, it's up to each person to decide what to believe regarding the burglars, the police, and Crier, but I think it's a reach to assume all three were lying. Not sure when or where or even why Todd would have said he took and passed one, unless I missed an interview with him somewhere. [/*]

As best I know, no one, including Crier, ever claimed that LE said Todd and Pearce both passed lie detectors tests.

The point on the 24th versus the 26th long has been that the burglars' story impeaches itself in significant ways over and over and over.

Without even considering Diane Jackson's reporting and "Aponte et al", if based on the burglars' incredibly self-impeaching storyline, a person were to weigh the burglars story as being "more probable/less probable" of the truth, I believe anyone would rate it to be "less probable" -- at the very least.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by earth goddess

*snipped*

The fact that most of the stolen good were recovered also points to their willingness to be forthcoming to the police. [/*]

The fact that almost NOTHING was recovered tells a different story.

But, I guess that logic only works if it supports your argument, right?

[earth goddess]

Sunrise on Christmas Eve was at 7:15. I would like to know how someone could identify a vehicle in a driveway one house north of them at 5am on a poorlyl lighted street without night-vision goggles....lol

[Mamie]

Originally posted by Okito


An hour and 22 minutes AFTER Karen Servas put McKenzie back in the yard? No gingerbread ready to go into the oven? No French toast marinating for brunch?

Laci was en route to the bay in a tarp covered middle aged man dinky Sears Craftsman boat purchased for the occasion and prolly destined for dumping as soon as possible. [/*]

That's what I said, Okito, when we were going through all this in the first trial------re: the kitchen----nothing was getting room temperature for baking, etc. And I also said that there was a reason he chose that boat (already having the last name of Peterson on the registration for it and the trailer----I thought if he got stopped by LE for some minor traffic thing he could say that the guy was his uncle or something----and it's really too darned bad he didn't get stopped on the way to the bay!) He wanted no paper trail in case he was successful in dumping it as soon as possible. JMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by AngelWings


Whatyou have posted a million times is Grogan stating that's what IT says.

IT is not Diane Jackson. IT is what a tip sheet says.

Diane Jackson's statement from her mouth to the police officer does not mention a safe.

You are not right, you are wrong. [/*]No, you are wrong. Geragos is talking about what is on the tipsheet from Diane Jackson calling in.

Grogan agrees with what Geragos states is written on the sheet.

Spin it anyway you want, it's what the tipsheet says...that Diane Jackson called in to say she saw a SAFE.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by AngelWings


You might want to scroll back up. Fladager did address it. [/*]No she didn't. She only talked about the defense report, not the tip sheet.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Mamie


That's what I said, Okito, when we were going through all this in the first trial------re: the kitchen----nothing was getting room temperature for baking, etc. And I also said that there was a reason he chose that boat (already having the last name of Peterson on the registration for it and the trailer----I thought if he got stopped by LE for some minor traffic thing he could say that the guy was his uncle or something----and it's really too darned bad he didn't get stopped on the way to the bay!) He wanted no paper trail in case he was successful in dumping it as soon as possible. JMO [/*]:confused: No papertrail? The release of liability filed by Bruce Peterson was a paper trail and a half.

The ME was named Peterson too.

[Mamie]

Originally posted by Beebee


(snipped)

The price he paid for that POA..... whoa... I bet cheaters around the world secretly sympathized. If Scott killed Laci, and planned it, dealing with Amber would have been part of the plan.

(snipped)

[/*]

I'll bet cheaters around the world were laughing and thinking how much more stupid could this guy be?? JMO

[Mamie]

Originally posted by alter ego
:confused: No papertrail? The release of liability filed by Bruce Peterson was a paper trail and a half.

The ME was named Peterson too. [/*]


That's a paper trail on Bruce Peterson's end, nothing gets through DMV completion until the completion. I just went through all this with a vehicle myself. Scott could always say the boat got stolen or that BP showed him the boat but he didn't actually buy the boat, maybe Bruce Peterson got confused because he's not a young man, etc., etc. JMO

And so was the man they arrested in Marino's murder----named Peterson, and then there's Drew, and the (I think a reserve) deputy sheriff who killed is ex girlfriend a few months back in another town and state but it happened not long after Stacy Peterson went missing which is why I remembered his name, also a Peterson. And then there's Michael Peterson. Just to name a few........

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Mamie



That's a paper trail on Bruce Peterson's end, nothing gets through DMV completion until the completion. I just went through all this with a vehicle myself. Scott could always say the boat got stolen or that BP showed him the boat but he didn't actually buy the boat, maybe Bruce Peterson got confused because he's not a young man, etc., etc. JMO

[/*]:confused: The DMV had record of the transfer of liability, complete with Scott's name and address. You said there was no papertrail.

There was.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by earth goddess
Sunrise on Christmas Eve was at 7:15. I would like to know how someone could identify a vehicle in a driveway one house north of them at 5am on a poorlyl lighted street without night-vision goggles....lol [/*]Never heard of twilight, huh?

or moonlight?

[Mamie]

Originally posted by alter ego
:confused: The DMV had record of the transfer of liability, complete with Scott's name and address. You said there was no papertrail.

There was. [/*]

And you need to learn to comprehend what you read----I said he didn't want a papertrail. That's not the same as there being a papertrail. And I think your description of it was, "a papertrail and a half". Yes DMV has a record of what Bruce Peterson turned in and they keep that on file until the other half surfaces----of course within an allowable time period. In my particular case, eight months had passed and I was still registered as the owner. And yes, I did the Notice of Transfer and Release of Liability paper.

[Mamie]

Originally posted by feathergirl


Not really. Scott never registered the boat in his name, so the only way they would have traced the boat to him is if the seller saw him on TV, recognized him, and told LE to check it out.

If Scott had scuttled the boat (as he may have originally planned), he could have said that the other Peterson (the seller) was confused. AFAIK, Scott's SS# wasn't on that transfer paper. [/*]

(I knew there was a reason I liked you-----we think somewhat alike!)

I'm gonna go watch some television before I turn in----it's been "one of those weeks"-----see ya again soon:seeya:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Mamie


And you need to learn to comprehend what you read----I said he didn't want a papertrail. That's not the same as there being a papertrail. And I think your description of it was, "a papertrail and a half". Yes DMV has a record of what Bruce Peterson turned in and they keep that on file until the other half surfaces----of course within an allowable time period. In my particular case, eight months had passed and I was still registered as the owner. And yes, I did the Notice of Transfer and Release of Liability paper. [/*]No, you do.

You said "he wanted no paper trail". There was a paper trail.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by feathergirl


Not really. Scott never registered the boat in his name, so the only way they would have traced the boat to him is if the seller saw him on TV, recognized him, and told LE to check it out.

If Scott had scuttled the boat (as he may have originally planned), he could have said that the other Peterson (the seller) was confused. AFAIK, Scott's SS# wasn't on that transfer paper. [/*]:confused: The DMV had record of the sale from the transfer of liability. I don't think they file that in the trash.

:shrug:

[higharm]

the burglars, the burglars, the burglars - - If that is all the defense can come up with, Scott Peterson is never getting out of prison.

I can't believe everyone is still stuck on that.

They had NOTHING to do with Laci no matter what anyone says of believes nor how many people you think they know or lived with.

If you want to help Scott out of prison you should trash the burglar idea and look for the truth. GEE, how many times can someone be stuck on the same nonsense.

contrary to what some of you believe, I do KNOW. And there are people on this board who believe the burglars did this who think I am trying to cover for them because they KNOW I KNOW so many people connected to this mess.

For God's sake why would I be on the net talking about this if I did not KNOW they had nothing to do with it. Do you honestly think I would be on the net at all if they did, or people I know did? What is wrong with you people !

[higharm]

oh wait, no one wants the truth to come out, that's right, it will make scott look bad. good grief. the truth is the truth. But someone would rather blame other innocent people than have Scott look bad and connected to and involved in something.

GRRRRRRRRRR

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by higharm
oh wait, no one wants the truth to come out, that's right, it will make scott look bad. good grief. the truth is the truth. But someone would rather blame other innocent people than have Scott look bad and connected to and involved in something.

GRRRRRRRRRR [/*]

Please tell us, what is the truth?

Just spit it out. Tired of hearing the BS. Tired of hearing how you're putting your life and your family's life in danger by saying anything, blah, blah, blah.

Spit it out or please shut up already.

[Justice_Dawg]

Originally posted by Beebee


The defense did not "come up with" the information that Aponte tried to give the MPD. That came straight from Adam Tenbrink himself in a taped conversation. He claimed that Todd threatened Laci.

That ALONE is huge because at the very least it makes Todd a witness to Laci being alive after Scott left. So why do you think Adam said that to Shawn??

Do you think he made it up, knowing they were being recorded?? If so, why would he do such a thing? Was he trying to frame Todd?? If so, why?? Later Adam would tell Jensen he and Todd were friends. Was Adam "falsly accusing"?? If so, WHY?

It's interesting that when Shawn realizes the conversation was heard he called home to send the message to Adam to SHUT UP about STEVE TODD. He does not mention Laci's name a second time.

Nobody sought to pick on the "poor burglars" and "falsly accuse" them. Adam Tenbrink places Todd and Laci together. Not the defense, not the defense investigators... but Adam Tenbrink.

I do not understand your hostility. [/*]I hope this testimony gets in at the civil trial. Todd's story never added up to me.

[GrandmaGA]

Originally posted by Beebee


I sometimes wonder if Laci knew about Scott's cheating. Some people do have open type marriages. One time I found out a couple my husband and I know are swingers. I was shocked. They seemed so normal to me. We know Laci knew about other infidelity, so who knows how they really dealt with it. I also have a good friend who married a guy who was a serial cheater. After 10 years she finally divorced him, and now 15 years later he still begs her to get back... he loves her.... always did, but still cheated. I always said he is an idiot, yet I do think he loves her and always will :shrug: [/*]Sharon's words before Brochinni "planted his seeds". Rocha says the family also doesn't believe Scott Peterson had anything to do with his wife's disappearance, and describes him as being "devastated."

She says the couple had a happy marriage and loved each other.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/11/national/main536155.shtml

S. ROCHA: Yes. They just are really truly in love with each other. They do everything together. They're partners. They're a team. They love each other. They planned together, they play together. They're always smiling. They're just very happy, well- adjusted couple. Never been any indication, I never heard Laci say she was even angry with Scott for any reason at all.

KING: So, therefore, Ron, there is no thought in your mind obviously people always suspect the most immediate family member or something like this and the husband has not been released from that suspicion and no one, this program has not indicated that he is, but there was no question in your mind that he's not involved, right, Ron?

GRANTSKI: Well, that's correct. I, you know, it might seem unusual he went fishing by himself, but I go fishing by myself a lot. Heaven forbid something happen here because I do it all the time.

KING: So that's not strange to you that he would go fishing?

GRANTSKI: No. Not to me.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0301/13/lkl.00.html

Notice Ron's answer. Hummm

[Justice_Dawg]

Originally posted by earth goddess
Sunrise on Christmas Eve was at 7:15. I would like to know how someone could identify a vehicle in a driveway one house north of them at 5am on a poorlyl lighted street without night-vision goggles....lol [/*]
Have you been there?

It is a SMALL street. Very small. Houses are close together and if anyone parked on the street, you would have to go around that parked car.
Who said it wasn't well lit? :confused:

[Justice_Dawg]

Originally posted by Beebee


Yep, and what are the chances that if Karen was doing dog duty at 10:18 the Medina's who were in and out of their house and packing the car, putting mail in the mail box, checking the mail again and pulling out at 10:30 would not see Karen or Mac??

:rolleyes: [/*]I remember being yelled at by a woman from a porch across the street and to the left from Scott and Laci's. I had no problem hearing her. :D
Mrs. Medina just asked us a question in a normal voice from across the street and I heard her. She was nice. Asked if we were the jury. :lol:

[GrandmaGA]

Prosecution Witness #50: Eric Olsen, former Trade Corp employee Testimony

The Prosecution played the adultery card again, calling attention to the conversation between Scott and Shawn Sibley the first time they met. Scott and Eric Olsen, his employee, had gone to the trade show in Anaheim together. Eric knew Shawn from a previous employment. He also knew a David Fernandez, and setup a dinner for the four of them (Scott, Eric, David, and Shawn) so David and Shawn could meet. However, Scott and Shawn became involved in a steamy "sex position" conversation that both Eric and David said made them very uncomfortable. Eric is the one Shawn called on December 2 to find out if Scott was married. He said he did not want to become involved, and he told her she'd have to talk to him. The Defense drew out of Eric that Scott admitted he had made a mistake and done something stupid with his conversation with Shawn.

Eric also testified that he was at the warehouse at the end of November of first of December, but the boat was not there. He noted a partial bag of cement, and some old dried cement patches on the flat-bed trailer, like someone had been working with cement on the trailer.
That would seem to diffuse the Prosecution claim that cement on that flat-bed trailer related to the making of anchors for weighting down Laci. Scott had not yet even purchased the boat.