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annalyzer

06-25-2008, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Thats what I thought.

Its okay, I think just about everyone who is a JDI is banned or on time out due to the constant complaining. Can't see how that leaves you all anything much to discuss, but, whatever........ [/*]

I wasn't here last nite so didn't see the posts but I do know that CW doesn't put someone on time out or ban them for no reason at all. TOS has to be broken in some way for her to do that.

And that's all I have to say on the subject.

Back on topic! :patriot:

annalyzer

06-25-2008, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by june1943

Here's one of the reports of 10 licks . Could the person in back have been hitting with something that would leave more than one cut? I think the mouth and left side of the head is consistent with a single blow weapon.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1175401/ [/*]

I don't think it was two people. There would have been a much higher possibility that trace evidence would have been found for one. It didn't take two people to kill little pregnant Michelle.

Kat4Eagles

06-25-2008, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ
OT-Verdict in NE case [/*]

GUILTY IN THE FIRST DEGREE ON ALL CHARGES.

Good.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-25-2008, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by june1943

Here's one of the reports of 10 licks . Could the person in back have been hitting with something that would leave more than one cut? I think the mouth and left side of the head is consistent with a single blow weapon.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1175401/ [/*]

Are there other articles that mention more than 10 blows........?

Devastating , no matter how you look at it.

I think one of the problems with this case is that people are trying to make this like the Entwistle case, even wanting to include the same motives.

I just don't think that is the case here.

Kat

JD1974

06-25-2008, 04:23 PM

Well after all this time I still am not sure who killed Michelle, it is too hard to come to any conclusions because LE isn't talking. I can't go by I heard this from this person who heard from this person and so on.

The only thing to me that points to Jason is the print out, that is just one weird coincidence if it is true. I had a miscarriage after I was injured, miscarriage gad nothing to do with the injury so I am still not sure about the car accident causing Michelle's.

I too am hoping someone is arrested soon, I guess I am on the fence leaning towards Jason being not guilty.

JHP

06-25-2008, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by JD1974
Well after all this time I still am not sure who killed Michelle, it is too hard to come to any conclusions because LE isn't talking. I can't go by I heard this from this person who heard from this person and so on.

The only thing to me that points to Jason is the print out, that is just one weird coincidence if it is true. I had a miscarriage after I was injured, miscarriage gad nothing to do with the injury so I am still not sure about the car accident causing Michelle's.

I too am hoping someone is arrested soon, I guess I am on the fence leaning towards Jason being not guilty. [/*]

IIRC you had put an interesting scenario out there the other evening. About Jason's stepfather's alibi on the night Michelle was murdered.

I wonder if anyone knows what the relationship between the person who posted as gojo here and Jason's stepfather?

Just an interesting scenario I thought.

I hope someone is arrested soon also.

JHP

06-25-2008, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by june1943

What do you think could account for all those blows to the back of the head and no underlying damage? Now look at the front and left blows they left extensive damage. [/*]

Maybe whoever killed her, started to hit her when she was in bed and they hit her with such force she fell out of bed. But they remained standing over her so the blows were not as strong. Wasn't she found in a very small area? I think it would have been hard for 2 people to be there without leaving alot of evidence.

JMO

JD1974

06-25-2008, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by JHP

IIRC you had put an interesting scenario out there the other evening. About Jason's stepfather's alibi on the night Michelle was murdered.

I wonder if anyone knows what the relationship between the person who posted as gojo here and Jason's stepfather?

Just an interesting scenario I thought.

I hope someone is arrested soon also. [/*]

I mentioned it kind of in jest, but I thought about it, supposably he is the one who told Jason to get an attorney (if rumors of course are correct) plus it is most likely he was driving the vehicle that took so long for Jason to get back home. Was he doing stuff to make Jason look guilty or is it just an outsider looking in thinking it looks weird?

JD1974

06-25-2008, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by JD1974

I mentioned it kind of in jest, but I thought about it, supposably he is the one who told Jason to get an attorney (if rumors of course are correct) plus it is most likely he was driving the vehicle that took so long for Jason to get back home. Was he doing stuff to make Jason look guilty or is it just an outsider looking in thinking it looks weird? [/*]

Sorry meant to edit, but also there would be a reason his fingerprints etc would be in the house. Or maybe he hired someone and then like I said did these things to make Jason look guilty, but what would be the motive? If Jason is convicted and (rumor again) Heather got custody of Cassidy, wouldn't that make them 1 mill richer?

awareness

06-25-2008, 06:06 PM

Im sure someone will be arrested soon and Im confident that someone is Jason Young. SOON as in the next few months.

JMO/IMO

Cardinal

06-25-2008, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by JHP

Maybe whoever killed her, started to hit her when she was in bed and they hit her with such force she fell out of bed. But they remained standing over her so the blows were not as strong. Wasn't she found in a very small area? I think it would have been hard for 2 people to be there without leaving alot of evidence.

JMO [/*]

I've thought in the past that maybe the first blow happened while she was in bed, but, based upon the injuries, I think the first blow was the one that caused the skull fracture, and that it put her down. I think all of the other blows happened while she was on the floor. All of the injuries seem to be on her left side, and I think the area between the bed and the wall was rather small, which would limit the range of motion, imo.

JMO

ETA: I also think the first blow was an emotional reaction, and not necessarily intended to kill. But after the first blow........

Also JMO

Cardinal

06-25-2008, 06:58 PM

The murder weapon?

http://www.fitbuy.com/pd/ap101520.html

alter ego

06-25-2008, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal
The murder weapon?

http://www.fitbuy.com/pd/ap101520.html [/*]Wouldn't that leave indents?

Cardinal

06-25-2008, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
Wouldn't that leave indents? [/*]

I'm not sure. That's why I linked to the vinyl rather than the metal. There was a crescent mark on her arm, but would vinyl leave indents on bone?

alter ego

06-25-2008, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

I'm not sure. That's why I linked to the vinyl rather than the metal. There was a crescent mark on her arm, but would vinyl leave indents on bone? [/*]I would think so if it was heavy enough. :shrug:

Cardinal

06-25-2008, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
I would think so if it was heavy enough. :shrug: [/*]

I honestly don't know, AE. The hand weight idea just popped into my head. I thought I'd see what everyone else thought.

Kat4Eagles

06-25-2008, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal
The murder weapon?

http://www.fitbuy.com/pd/ap101520.html [/*]

Evening Card and everyone..:seeya:

Now, I am kinda stuck on the golf club , could that work?

Or, maybe Michelle just kept something by the bed, for when Jason was gone, and she tried to get to it first, but that infuriated the killer.

Could be anything.

Tough call.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-25-2008, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by awareness
Im sure someone will be arrested soon and Im confident that someone is Jason Young. SOON as in the next few months.

JMO/IMO [/*]

I doubt it will be Jason.

If there is not an arrest by the 2 year mark, this case is going in the cold case archives.

I hope that does not happen.

Kat

oakayfine

06-25-2008, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I doubt it will be Jason.

If there is not an arrest by the 2 year mark, this case is going in the cold case archives.

I hope that does not happen.

Kat [/*]

I don't think it will. Waco Sheriff's Office doen't either.

"Wake County sheriff's investigators have made no arrests and have named no suspects, but they continue to say they are making progress in the case."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2864448/

Cardinal

06-25-2008, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Evening Card and everyone..:seeya:

Now, I am kinda stuck on the golf club , could that work?

Or, maybe Michelle just kept something by the bed, for when Jason was gone, and she tried to get to it first, but that infuriated the killer.

Could be anything.

Tough call.

Kat [/*]

Hi, Kat :seeya:

That's where my mind was wandering.......something kept nearby. Picked up because it was convenient.

I wish we knew more.

JMO and Goodnight.

Kat4Eagles

06-25-2008, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Hi, Kat :seeya:

That's where my mind was wandering.......something kept nearby. Picked up because it was convenient.

I wish we knew more.

JMO and Goodnight. [/*]

If we just knew one thing::

murder weapon
motive

Something, anything.!!

Kat

awareness

06-25-2008, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I doubt it will be Jason.

If there is not an arrest by the 2 year mark, this case is going in the cold case archives.

I hope that does not happen.

Kat [/*]

How do you KNOW this will go into the cold case file at the 2 year mark?

Investigators have said all along they're continuing to make progress - I feel an arrest will happen.

I furthermore feel Jason will be the person they arrest.

JMO/IMO

oakayfine

06-25-2008, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by june1943

You will forgive us if we don't take your word for that won't you? [/*]

Please don't include me in your "us".

I am sure she will "forgive you" though.

Kat4Eagles

06-25-2008, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by awareness

How do you KNOW this will go into the cold case file at the 2 year mark?

Investigators have said all along they're continuing to make progress - I feel an arrest will happen.

I furthermore feel Jason will be the person they arrest.

JMO/IMO [/*]

Without a strong motive or an eye witness, how good is their latest progress report?

They stated they still need someone to come forward.

They can not get Jason even with the extra help they get from here!

Good luck, though.
Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-25-2008, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by agathachristie

I agree. Some people suggested this go into the cold case file months ago. I think they even wanted the entire thread closed?

We are an impatient society ( I include myself in that equation) , instant gratification, instant satisfaction.

LE has taken a slow, deliberate, thorough approach in resolving this crime.

Despite my impatience, I commend them.

MOO Aggie [/*]

Or, they simply have no case to be brought against anyone.

:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-25-2008, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Did you read the article I posted? It may help you to understand why LE is working slowly and carefully in this case. [/*]

If they had their case, they would not have to wait.

C could be in college by then...

:rolleyes:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-25-2008, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Did you read the article I posted? It may help you to understand why LE is working slowly and carefully in this case. [/*]

Good grief...That case was a drowning off the coast in Australia, of course, it would be more difficult to prove.

This case, the Michelle Young case, took place in her bedroom, in her home..

Hope this helps, Tia.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-25-2008, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Its not always that easy Kat. It could take YEARS to build a case, to find a missing piece, etc........... [/*]

All cases have missing pieces until they are put together, what is so hard about this case, if the husbanddidit?

Kat

alter ego

06-25-2008, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Not true. Thats not how it works Kat. Just because Michelle's case may reach the two year mark does NOT mean that it will be considered a cold case. :rolleyes:

CNN) -- An Alabama man whose wife died during a honeymoon scuba diving trip off the coast of Australia ALMOST 5 YEARS AGO has been charged in her death.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/21/drowned.bride/index.html?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail [/*]The coroner in Austrailia isn't overseeing this case nor does LE in this case need interviews of witnesses in another country :shrug:

alter ego

06-25-2008, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

All cases have missing pieces until they are put together, what is so hard about this case, if the husbanddidit?

Kat [/*]Yes, what is missing in the so called mountain of CE some claim there is :shrug:

annalyzer

06-25-2008, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by june1943

He didn't come to Raleigh when the family did. So it would have been impossible for him to have been driving. [/*]

Jason's stepfather wasn't with him and his mom when they went back to Raleigh that evening?

alter ego

06-25-2008, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

I swear I wonder if you guys really even WANT to discuss this case or just bash everyone who comes on here. Kat posted that she thought the case would become cold after the two year mark. I posted a case that took FIVE years and as you well know, there are MANY other cases out there that have taken just as long if not longer. Why is everything an arguement over here?

EVERYONE knows that a case won't simply be put in the Cold Case files because its been two years, but you will even argue THAT fact!

Amazing! [/*]I didn't bash anyone and I'm not arguing with anyone.

Too bad you can't say the same.

:rolleyes:

ddawg

06-25-2008, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal
The murder weapon?

http://www.fitbuy.com/pd/ap101520.html [/*]

Or this?
http://www.fireplacescreenshowcase.com/pokers.htm

meltdown

06-25-2008, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by agathachristie

I agree. Some people suggested this go into the cold case file months ago. I think they even wanted the entire thread closed?

We are an impatient society ( I include myself in that equation) , instant gratification, instant satisfaction.

LE has taken a slow, deliberate, thorough approach in resolving this crime.

Despite my impatience, I commend them.

MOO Aggie [/*]

I think there doing all they can to solve this.
Rome wasn't build in a day.
As long as they find the one who did this, time is of little essence.

meltdown

06-25-2008, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by ddawg

Or this?
http://www.fireplacescreenshowcase.com/pokers.htm [/*]

I guess it could have been a poker:shrug: wish we knew

meltdown

06-25-2008, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by june1943

I know it was you who complained and now c Joe is gone . I fail to see why you are blaming Kat when it was you that complained and got him poofed. Kat merely reminder them to be nice she didn't complain to CW. Your first post today was to jump on Kat , what is your problem? [/*]

Why are you so mad with this poster? And how do you no who has complained to CW?

annalyzer

06-25-2008, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by june1943

No he was not. He stayed behind to get things in order , they knew they would be gone a pretty long time.

I wanted to add , it was a good thing he did other wise they wouldn't have had a car to go home in. [/*]

So Jason did head right home after learning of his wife's death and didn't diddle daddle around for hours like some have claimed?

meltdown

06-25-2008, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

So Jason did head right home after learning of his wife's death and didn't diddle daddle around for hours like some have claimed? [/*]

I thought they all went together and that's when LE took all there stuff and the mom and dad's medicine?:shrug:

annalyzer

06-25-2008, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

He never arrived in Raleigh until 9-9:30 pm [/*]

What time was he notified of Michelle's death and how long of a drive is it back home from his mother's house?

meltdown

06-25-2008, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

3:30-4pm [/*]

And wasn't it real late when he picked up Cassidy?

meltdown

06-25-2008, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

I think a couple of hours after he arrived in Raleigh. [/*]

I wonder why it would take him 2 hrs after he arrived to go get his daughter? He sure the heck wasn't talking to LE for 2 hrs:shrug:

tiny paw-prints

06-25-2008, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Without a strong motive or an eye witness, how good is their latest progress report?

They stated they still need someone to come forward.

[/*]

Since when does a killer need a strong motive to kill someone? Most murderers kill another simply for the thrill of it, and they usually do it when they make sure there's no eye witness.

I believe the investigators have been waiting for JASON to come forward. Does he continue to hide behind his family and the little girl?

The recent search warrants were necessary, pertinent, not frivolous; obviously.

tiny paw-prints

06-25-2008, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

He never arrived in Raleigh until 9-9:30 pm [/*]

McIntyre wasn't part of the caravan was he? The following day was a Saturday? Did he take a separate car and drive to Raleigh on Saturday?

JD1974

06-25-2008, 11:28 PM

tiny paw-prints

06-25-2008, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by june1943

No he was not. He stayed behind to get things in order , they knew they would be gone a pretty long time.

(snipped) [/*]

So, McIntyre chose to stay behind to "get things in order"?

What "things" were out of order?

Did McIntyre stay behind to dispose of evidence while Jason & caravan made the trip to Raleigh?

annalyzer

06-26-2008, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

So, McIntyre chose to stay behind to "get things in order"?

What "things" were out of order?

Did McIntyre stay behind to dispose of evidence while Jason & caravan made the trip to Raleigh? [/*]

Put food down for the pets to last awhile. Who knows? I'm sure as heck not going to involve him in some kind of a cover up.

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by annalyzer

Put food down for the pets to last awhile. Who knows? I'm sure as heck not going to involve him in some kind of a cover up. [/*]

It was mentioned up thread that McIntyre "stayed behind to get things in order." Assuming there was no "cover up"--then what was so pertinent to get done while the rest of the family made the trip to Raleigh?

No neighbors to feed pets for a couple of days? The following day was a Saturday? No local kennel in town? Does McIntyre work weekends?

His daughter-in-law was found MuRdeRed, so what would be more important than lending moral support to Jason during such a crucial point in time? The caravan consisted of not one, but two vehicles with all the other family members.

Why did McIntyre single himself out at such a time?

JHP

06-26-2008, 03:54 AM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

It was mentioned up thread that McIntyre "stayed behind to get things in order." Assuming there was no "cover up"--then what was so pertinent to get done while the rest of the family made the trip to Raleigh?

No neighbors to feed pets for a couple of days? The following day was a Saturday? No local kennel in town? Does McIntyre work weekends?

His daughter-in-law was found MuRdeRed, so what would be more important than lending moral support to Jason during such a crucial point in time? The caravan consisted of not one, but two vehicles with all the other family members.

Why did McIntyre single himself out at such a time? [/*]

Hi, tpp:seeya: You know I think the most frustrating thing about this case is the lack of credible information. It's all rumors. Nobodys talking. So it leads to alot of speculation, imagination, etc.
I hope someday we will find out more when an arrest is made.

Just as some people find the 911 call suspicious, I don't understand the "rumored" behavior of Jason's family that day. Maybe none of the rumors are true.

IIRC LE said at one point they were looking at everyone close to Michelle. From reading on another message board, it was rumored some sort of investigators were hanging out in Brevard a little while ago.

I don't understand why, If wake county suspected Jason from the start, why his Mothers house wasn't searched the first weekend instead of waiting 15 months. So much doesn't make sense.

All this is JMO. I can't believe I'm posting on a message board at 3 in the morning.

I hope everyone has a great day!

freejason

06-26-2008, 10:27 AM

Now that Neil has received his life sentence w/o parole....I'm back to follow JY.

Jason - your next.....get compliant, get relaxed, think you're safe, it will only be one mistake you make and you are going to be Neil's roomate.....2 baby killers together......that makes for an easier target for the other inmates, eh?

Run, Jason, Run.

annalyzer

06-26-2008, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by june1943

Jason arrived somewhere around 3:30 in Brevard. They arrived at MF's house at 9:30. The drive takes 5 hours. There was a gas fill up on the way might have taken 15 or so minutes. so there is about 45 minutes unaccounted for . I don't have a link but I was told Jason sat on the lawn that whole time and the hold up was his BIl that had to get there from work. So unless you call 45 minutes unaccounted for there was no diddle dawdling. Is daddle a word I know what we used to use the other one for back in the good old days. LOl [/*]

I don't know if daddle is a word but it sounded good. :biggrin:

So all this talk of Jason arriving hours late is just that, talk.

JD1974

06-26-2008, 10:40 AM

I have a question because I never noticed this before...

The law also allows Young to request evidence be returned to him after 90 days if there is no probable cause. District Attorney Colon Willoughby confirmed that request has not been made but wouldn't speculate why.
"I don't think that we would feel comfortable in trying to read
any inferences into what people do or don't do," Willoughby said.

Does that mean Jason COULD ask for the NTIO results back because they don't implicate him?

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=5751070

JD1974

06-26-2008, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by june1943

The NTIO results can be used for 2 things to show a person did something or to show a person did not do something. There is no need for Jason to ask for the NITO results back as they show no evidence against him . I'm sure it was Jason's attorney that made the decision to leave them where they are because there is evidence there that can exonerate him. [/*]

What I am asking is this, after his statement it leads me to believe Jason could ask for the evidence to be given back, is that what he is saying or is he just talking in general? If he is saying Jason could that would have to mean the evidence doesn't fit with him being the killer...does anybody get what I mean, I don't think I am wording it correctly?

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by june1943

The bedroom was searched for 13 days. They had Jason's car for 2 months. The still have all of his phones,computers ,camera's photos, not to mention his library key or maybe it was Michelle's library key. They took part of his deck, 5 gal of unopened deck seal. Went to his moms and sister's and looked where he was sleeping. Re dusted his car that he sold to his mom months ago. Checked a company car that isn't even the company he was working for when Michelle was murdered. Where does people think these pieces are hiding at? I think if Jason had killed Michelle this case would have been solved by Christmas 2006. [/*]

"maybe", just maybe, they are holding all of these things as evidence. "maybe" they are gathering as much as possible because CE cases are the most difficult to prosecute. "Maybe" they are not satisifed with what they have and are thinking "more is better".
There is a reason, jmo, that they have taken and are still holding much of what they have.

This is only my speculation, no links, just trying to think of a logical reason as to why they would still be focusing on Jason. That is all this post represents.

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by JD1974

What I am asking is this, after his statement it leads me to believe Jason could ask for the evidence to be given back, is that what he is saying or is he just talking in general? If he is saying Jason could that would have to mean the evidence doesn't fit with him being the killer...does anybody get what I mean, I don't think I am wording it correctly? [/*]

That is how I am reading it. That if Jason wants all of his stuff back, all he has to do is ask for it back. If there is probable cause for LE to keep the stuff as evidence, they will keep it.

Now, just because Jason has not asked for the stuff back, it does not necessarily mean it is actual evidence. It might be, but then again, it might not be. That is why the Willoughby said not to read anything into why Jason has not asked for the stuff back.
JMO

Does this make sense?

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by june1943

Oh I absolutely agree that if Jason wanted to get them back he could. I don't think Willoughby could have made it any clearer. [/*]

Apparantly, the poster was confused as to the wording of the statement. this means that it was not clear to her. Why would you be so snippy with her when she is merely asking for clarification? Have you never read something that was not clear to you, but crystal clear to some others and had to ask for clarification?

JMO

annalyzer

06-26-2008, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Sorry June, just because YOU post it, doesn't make it so.
I need some links if you are claiming you are the only one who knows the truth. [/*]

How can she link what she knows? LOL If you don't want to take her word for it then don't.

annalyzer

06-26-2008, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by oakayfine

Apparantly, the poster was confused as to the wording of the statement. this means that it was not clear to her. Why would you be so snippy with her when she is merely asking for clarification? Have you never read something that was not clear to you, but crystal clear to some others and had to ask for clarification?

JMO [/*]

Snippy? :confused:

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by annalyzer

Snippy? :confused: [/*]

Yes, snippy.

"I don't think Willoughby could have made it any clearer".

That line is not necessary at all.

JMO

JD1974

06-26-2008, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by oakayfine

That is how I am reading it. That if Jason wants all of his stuff back, all he has to do is ask for it back. If there is probable cause for LE to keep the stuff as evidence, they will keep it.

Now, just because Jason has not asked for the stuff back, it does not necessarily mean it is actual evidence. It might be, but then again, it might not be. That is why the Willoughby said not to read anything into why Jason has not asked for the stuff back.
JMO

Does this make sense? [/*]

The thing is, Jason already knows what they have with the NTIO. So to me if Willoughby is saying not to read anything into him not requesting it back, that means he could get it back because it doesn't tie him to the crime. It just seems he could of worded it differently if it included Jason in the crime, umm like he went to extra lengths to say he is not sure why he hasn't asked for them back, meaning they have no value? LOL I am not sure exactly how to word what I am trying to get at and writing was my best subject, my college englush teacher must have really been horrible!

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by june1943

Thank you . Some people think there is a link to everything. I know what I had for breakfast this morning but I don't have a link for it. LOL [/*]

As many posters have stated in the past, unless you have a link, the post can only be considered rumor. Just because you say so, does not make it a fact. I do believe you have asked for links in the past as well. I can say I am someone who is an insider and post anything ... it does not necessarily mean it is truth and that others should take it as gospel.

Sure, you might know what you had for breakfast ... but you could turn around and tell us you had something entirely different; I would not know if you were posting truth or fiction.

People are not always honest, I'm not saying that you, personally are or are not; I'm just saying that it is up to an individual poster to make their own decisions as to what to believe when it is posted on a message board.

Hope this helps.

JMO

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by JD1974

The thing is, Jason already knows what they have with the NTIO. So to me if Willoughby is saying not to read anything into him not requesting it back, that means he could get it back because it doesn't tie him to the crime. It just seems he could of worded it differently if it included Jason in the crime, umm like he went to extra lengths to say he is not sure why he hasn't asked for them back, meaning they have no value? LOL I am not sure exactly how to word what I am trying to get at and writing was my best subject, my college englush teacher must have really been horrible! [/*]

It could also mean that Wiloughby is trying to be "politically correct". In other words, it "could" tie Jason to the crime but Willoughby is "protecting" JLY's rights by stating not to read anything into him not asking for it back. Willoughby's statements have all been "non-information" and could lean either way. He's always given JLY the benefit of the doubt in every statement.

Jason knows what is in the NTIO, "maybe" he knows there is something incriminating contained in it; therefore, he is not asking for it back so as not to open up a "can of worms".

It could be read either way. It's kind of like is the glass half empty or half full?

JMO

annalyzer

06-26-2008, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by june1943

Isn't what you said exactly what annalyzer said? Only he/she summed it up in one sentence. [/*]

That's because I'm goooooood . ;)

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by june1943

Isn't what you said exactly what annalyzer said? Only he/she summed it up in one sentence. [/*]

I was responding to YOUR post ... not Analyzer's since you did not seem to understand why someone would ask for a link.

Hope this helps. I've copied your post for reference below.

." Some people think there is a link to everything. I know what I had for breakfast this morning but I don't have a link for it. LOL"

annalyzer

06-26-2008, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

This from the same person who won't believe anything unless there is a link??

Amazing. [/*]

I seldom if ever ask for a link.

alter ego

06-26-2008, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by JD1974
I have a question because I never noticed this before...

The law also allows Young to request evidence be returned to him after 90 days if there is no probable cause. District Attorney Colon Willoughby confirmed that request has not been made but wouldn't speculate why.
"I don't think that we would feel comfortable in trying to read
any inferences into what people do or don't do," Willoughby said.

Does that mean Jason COULD ask for the NTIO results back because they don't implicate him?

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=5751070 [/*]
15A‑280. Return.

Within 90 days after the nontestimonial identification procedure, a return must be made to the judge who issued the order or to a judge designated in the order setting forth an inventory of the products of the nontestimonial identification procedures obtained from the person named in the affidavit. If, at the time of the return, probable cause does not exist to believe that the person has committed the offense named in the affidavit or any other offense, the person named in the affidavit is entitled to move that the authorized judge issue an order directing that the products and reports of the nontestimonial identification procedures, and all copies thereof, be destroyed. The motion must, except for good cause shown, be granted. (1973, c. 1286, s. 1.)
http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/bysection/chapter_15a/gs_15a-280.html

90 days after Jason submitted to the NTIO, LE still had probable cause to believe that Jason committed the offense named in the affidavit as evidenced by subsequent search warrants in Feb '07. Therefore, he had no grounds to move to have the results destroyed.

awareness

06-26-2008, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Without a strong motive or an eye witness, how good is their latest progress report?

They stated they still need someone to come forward.

They can not get Jason even with the extra help they get from here!

Good luck, though.
Kat [/*]

Oh so you DONT know they're going to put it in the cold file case.

:rolleyes:
JMO/IMO

annalyzer

06-26-2008, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by awareness

Oh so you DONT know they're going to put it in the cold file case.

:rolleyes:
JMO/IMO [/*]

Did ya think Kat had a direct line to the sheriff's office? :biggrin:

JD1974

06-26-2008, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

It could also mean that Wiloughby is trying to be "politically correct". In other words, it "could" tie Jason to the crime but Willoughby is "protecting" JLY's rights by stating not to read anything into him not asking for it back. Willoughby's statements have all been "non-information" and could lean either way. He's always given JLY the benefit of the doubt in every statement.

Jason knows what is in the NTIO, "maybe" he knows there is something incriminating contained in it; therefore, he is not asking for it back so as not to open up a "can of worms".

It could be read either way. It's kind of like is the glass half empty or half full?

JMO [/*]

To me the problem with that argument is they have had no problem being not politically correct when it suits them?

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by JHP

(snipped)

Just as some people find the 911 call suspicious, I don't understand the "rumored" behavior of Jason's family that day. Maybe none of the rumors are true.

IIRC LE said at one point they were looking at everyone close to Michelle. From reading on another message board, it was rumored some sort of investigators were hanging out in Brevard a little while ago.

I don't understand why, If wake county suspected Jason from the start, why his Mothers house wasn't searched the first weekend instead of waiting 15 months. So much doesn't make sense.

[/*]

At the time, the primary crime investigation took place at the Birchleaf home where the murder of the victim occurred (for nearly 12-13 days) and there was NO obvious or suspicious reasons (at that time) to suspect anything was "out of order" at the Brevard residence.

The investigators have been "hanging out" in Brevard, periodically, for quite some time; thereby making Brevard a secondary crime investigation to the primary. Very interesting! IMO

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by june1943

Cassie was at MF's house . Jason came straight to MF.s house. He was with Cassie when he arrived in Raleigh at 9:30. Just thought you might want to know the truth. You said you think it was 2 hrs. now you don't have to think you know the truth. [/*]

When there's an arrest and you know the truths surrounding the murder, then it will give you something more to think about. IMO.

awareness

06-26-2008, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

When there's an arrest and you know the truths surrounding the murder, then it will give you something more to think about. IMO. [/*]

ITA along with several others here.

JMO/IMO

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by JD1974
I have a question because I never noticed this before...

(snipped)

Does that mean Jason COULD ask for the NTIO results back because they don't implicate him? [/*]

He wouldn't ask because he knows the truth, however, he COULD ask for a payout of the life insurance policy.

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by june1943

(snipped)

You have any idea what Mr. McIntyre might have gotten rid of for Jason? [/*]

Nope! With or without a link, I thought maybe you might know.

Although, I do wonder if the detectives were able to determine if Jason's vehicle had recently been cleaned, washed, etc. Seems unreasonable that they held the vehicle for so long!

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by june1943

Thank you . Some people think there is a link to everything. I know what I had for breakfast this morning but I don't have a link for it. LOL [/*]

I wonder if Jason remembers what he had for breakfast on the day Michelle's body was found.

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

This from the same person who won't believe anything unless there is a link??

Amazing. [/*]

Yep!

annalyzer

06-26-2008, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

Yep! [/*]

Please point out any posts where I have asked for a link.

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

Please point out any posts where I have asked for a link. [/*]

To "point out" the posts as evidence, I'd have to provide links to your posts. :D

annalyzer

06-26-2008, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

I just found it odd that we are expected to believe June because she "knows", but if a JDI posts info that they "know" links are demanded and we get the eye rolling icon.

But June "KNOWS" according to annalyzer, so I guess we should believe it. [/*]

No one expects you to believe anything. But to ask for a link to something she said she knows that has not been reported in the news is laughable, ridiculous, absurd.

annalyzer

06-26-2008, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

To "point out" the posts as evidence, I'd have to provide links to your posts. :D [/*]

No a date and page number will do.

annalyzer

06-26-2008, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Do you see what you just wrote???!?!?! OMG! This is EXACTLY what you DEMAND of anyone who has inside info and comes here!

[/*]

I have asked politely to point out anywhere where I have asked for a link to anything. A page number and date will do.

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

(snipped)

I don't think June has any inside info or "knows" anything anyway. [/*]

I wonder if Jason knows that his wife was pregnant with a baby boy when she was murdered?

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

I have asked politely to point out anywhere where I have asked for a link to anything. A page number and date will do. [/*]

Unfortunately; this forum's topic of discussion isn't about you and/or your posts, the links thereto; page numbers and/or dates, etc. This is merely my "polite" opinion to your above request.

JHP

06-26-2008, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

I wonder if Jason remembers what he had for breakfast on the day Michelle's body was found. [/*]

I wonder if anyone at the Hampyon Inn remembers him having breakfast that very morning?

annalyzer

06-26-2008, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

Unfortunately; this forum's topic of discussion isn't about you and/or your posts, the links thereto; page numbers and/or dates, etc. This is merely my "polite" opinion to your above request. [/*]

If you want to accuse me of something you had better be prepared to back it up. Obviously you can't. Figures. From now on I know what to think of any of your opinions. ;)

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by freejason
Now that Neil has received his life sentence w/o parole....I'm back to follow JY.

Jason - your next.....get compliant, get relaxed, think you're safe, it will only be one mistake you make and you are going to be Neil's roomate.....2 baby killers together......that makes for an easier target for the other inmates, eh?

Run, Jason, Run. [/*]

Where would you like Jason to run?

He didn't flee the country like Entwistle.

His activities after Michelle's murder have not been at all suspicious, only to those who want to think he is guilty.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by meltdown

I think there doing all they can to solve this.
Rome wasn't build in a day.
As long as they find the one who did this, time is of little essence. [/*]

Time is of the essence when you allow a cold blooded killer or killers to walk free.

I thought you wanted justice for Michelle.

:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

That's because I'm goooooood . ;) [/*]

:)

JHP

06-26-2008, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

At the time, the primary crime investigation took place at the Birchleaf home where the murder of the victim occurred (for nearly 12-13 days) and there was NO obvious or suspicious reasons (at that time) to suspect anything was "out of order" at the Brevard residence.

The investigators have been "hanging out" in Brevard, periodically, for quite some time; thereby making Brevard a secondary crime investigation to the primary. Very interesting! IMO [/*]

Except Jason had "supposedly" gotten a call from someone that told him to lawyer up, LE thinks it's you. we have heard rumors that he got that call before they left Brevard, and also in the car on the way home.

So if LE were thinking it was Jason from the get go and treating him and family rudely even before they arrived back. If LE knew he was at his mom's house wouldn't they have gone there to see if anything was amiss right away. especially if they knew Jason had been there for a couple of hours?

I hope I made sense.
JMO

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by awareness

Oh so you DONT know they're going to put it in the cold file case.

:rolleyes:
JMO/IMO [/*]

If after 2 years this case is not solved, I don't know what their policy is...

Common sense would tell you a case is cold after that long of a length of time.

But, hey, maybe someone will wake up tomorrow and suddenly remember something about the murder.

:rolleyes:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

Did ya think Kat had a direct line to the sheriff's office? :biggrin: [/*]

We text message frequently.
:lol:

Kat

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

Please point out any posts where I have asked for a link. [/*]

I don't believe you have. And the posts are incorrect. I know I have a tendency to get a few posters mixed up. I think that's what has happened here.

Annalyzer has not asked for a link as far as I can remember. Many others have though.

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 04:46 PM

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

When there's an arrest and you know the truths surrounding the murder, then it will give you something more to think about. IMO. [/*]

I wish someone would tell me who is going to be arrested.

:biting fingernails:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by JHP

I wonder if anyone at the Hampyon Inn remembers him having breakfast that very morning? [/*]

Yep, a waitress that would remember him with his red tie and sunglasses, sitting at a table with 5 maps spread out, talking on his cell to his attorney, and putting ointment on some scratches.

:rolleyes:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

I don't believe you have. And the posts are incorrect. I know I have a tendency to get a few posters mixed up. I think that's what has happened here.

Annalyzer has not asked for a link as far as I can remember. Many others have though. [/*]

Yep, I just did.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by JHP

Except Jason had "supposedly" gotten a call from someone that told him to lawyer up, LE thinks it's you. we have heard rumors that he got that call before they left Brevard, and also in the car on the way home.

So if LE were thinking it was Jason from the get go and treating him and family rudely even before they arrived back. If LE knew he was at his mom's house wouldn't they have gone there to see if anything was amiss right away. especially if they knew Jason had been there for a couple of hours?

I hope I made sense.
JMO [/*]

Even before someone tipped him off, Jason had to know that he was prime..
With that million dollar policy out there.

:shrug:
Kat

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

If after 2 years this case is not solved, I don't know what their policy is...

Common sense would tell you a case is cold after that long of a length of time.

But, hey, maybe someone will wake up tomorrow and suddenly remember something about the murder.

:rolleyes:

Kat [/*]

I don't think a case is classified as "cold" by any time element. I think it would be classified as "cold" after LE has run out of leads and all test results have been received back. I would think that at that point, they would weigh the evidence they have and decide whether or not they have enough for an arrest. Even then, I think that some cases are still left open and if anything trickles in, they would investigate it.
There are so many cases that have lingered on for years that were never classified as "cold" but for one reason or another, LE decides it's time to move on it.
I think about David Temple. That one took 6 years (I'm pretty sure it was 6 years, it may have been a little more or a little less but not much). That one was never classified as "cold" and nothing about the evidence changed in those 6 years but he was arrested, tried and convicted.
That case was quite similar to this one in that the wife was pregnant and murdered in her bedroom.
http://www.click2houston.com/news/14606135/detail.html

I guess the bottom line is that we really don't know what criteria is used to classify a case as "cold". Certainly, time is not one of them.

JHP

06-26-2008, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Even before someone tipped him off, Jason had to know that he was prime..
With that million dollar policy out there.

:shrug:
Kat [/*]

That wasn't the point of what I posted.

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Where would you like Jason to run?

He didn't flee the country like Entwistle.

His activities after Michelle's murder have not been at all suspicious, only to those who want to think he is guilty.

Kat [/*]

I guess the same can be said about Meredith and her 911 call. It seems normal to everyone except some of those who think Jason is innocent. JMO

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by JHP

That wasn't the point of what I posted. [/*]

Can you re~word it?
If I misunderstood, I aplogize.

Kat

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Yep, I just did.

Kat [/*]

So what? Many people ask for links. Annalyzer is not one of those.

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

I don't think a case is classified as "cold" by any time element. I think it would be classified as "cold" after LE has run out of leads and all test results have been received back. I would think that at that point, they would weigh the evidence they have and decide whether or not they have enough for an arrest. Even then, I think that some cases are still left open and if anything trickles in, they would investigate it.
There are so many cases that have lingered on for years that were never classified as "cold" but for one reason or another, LE decides it's time to move on it.
I think about David Temple. That one took 6 years (I'm pretty sure it was 6 years, it may have been a little more or a little less but not much). That one was never classified as "cold" and nothing about the evidence changed in those 6 years but he was arrested, tried and convicted.
That case was quite similar to this one in that the wife was pregnant and murdered in her bedroom.
http://www.click2houston.com/news/14606135/detail.html

I guess the bottom line is that we really don't know what criteria is used to classify a case as "cold". Certainly, time is not one of them. [/*]

I don't know about that case, but, after reading your link, it said the motive was a girlfriend, who he married after the murder.

I have been looking for motive here, so,do you think Jason will marry MM?
Kat

Ps: Thank you for the link, looks interesting.

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

I guess the same can be said about Meredith and her 911 call. It seems normal to everyone except some of those who think Jason is innocent. JMO [/*]

I don't know if normal would be a good way to describe it.

Kat

JHP

06-26-2008, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Can you re~word it?
If I misunderstood, I aplogize.

Kat [/*]

What I was trying to get across was if LE had focused on Jason from the beginning as we were told from several JII posters.

Why if they, LE knew he was at his mom's house for a couple of hours the afternoon Michelle was found.

Why some sort of LE did not go investigate his mom's house that weekend?

does that make sense?

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Even before someone tipped him off, Jason had to know that he was prime..
With that million dollar policy out there.

:shrug:
Kat [/*]

I believe that it is quite an excessive amount for such a young couple, making the salaries they made. I also think it is odd that Jason has yet to claim it (or so it has been rumored). If that is true, what would the purpose of having the life insurance be, except to collect when your spouse dies so that you can make it through those rough times financially. IMO

awareness

06-26-2008, 05:08 PM

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I don't know if normal would be a good way to describe it.

Kat [/*]

Back to that phonecall for a sec, thanx for bringing it up.

Has anyone figured out how C was able to see Michelle's wounds?

With the way, Michelle was described on the floor, I don't know exactly how they were visable.

Kat

awareness

06-26-2008, 05:10 PM

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I don't know about that case, but, after reading your link, it said the motive was a girlfriend, who he married after the murder.

I have been looking for motive here, so,do you think Jason will marry MM?
Kat

Ps: Thank you for the link, looks interesting. [/*]

Please re-read my post. I never said anything about motive so I think your attempt to twist the purpose of my post and link is ridiculous.
I have no idea what Jason's future plans are. Do you?

btw - not every murder has motive and motive is not necessary to prove murder.

Every one of your posts this afternoon have reaked of sarcasm. Are you here to discuss the case or are you attempting to be the class clown?

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I don't know if normal would be a good way to describe it.

Kat [/*]

True. Nothing seems unusual.

Hope this helps.

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by awareness

Yeah and common sense tells me that they're working on it and expect an arrest.

Just as I thought. You didnt and DONT "KNOW".

:rolleyes:
JMO/IMO [/*]

How would you expect me to know?
And, how would you know about any arrest?

:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by JHP

What I was trying to get across was if LE had focused on Jason from the beginning as we were told from several JII posters.

Why if they, LE knew he was at his mom's house for a couple of hours the afternoon Michelle was found.

Why some sort of LE did not go investigate his mom's house that weekend?

does that make sense? [/*]

Okay, I got it now!
And,yes, it makes sense.
I often wondered why someone from L E was not there in person to gauge Jason's reaction as well.
Maybe that was their chance to ask a few questions too.
A missed opportunity they may regret or may have no bearing on the outcome.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

True. Nothing seems unusual.

Hope this helps. [/*]

I don't agree.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

Please re-read my post. I never said anything about motive so I think your attempt to twist the purpose of my post and link is ridiculous.
I have no idea what Jason's future plans are. Do you?

btw - not every murder has motive and motive is not necessary to prove murder.

Every one of your posts this afternoon have reaked of sarcasm. Are you here to discuss the case or are you attempting to be the class clown? [/*]

I know that motive does not have to play into a murder, but it helps.

Why do you or anyone else here think Michelle was murdered?

There has to be a reason she was killed.

Reason=motive.

:shrug:

Kat

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Okay, I got it now!
And,yes, it makes sense.
I often wondered why someone from L E was not there in person to gauge Jason's reaction as well.
Maybe that was their chance to ask a few questions too.
A missed opportunity they may regret or may have no bearing on the outcome.

Kat [/*]

This was discussed about a week ago. There are so few actual facts and so many rumors it is difficult to know the why's of anything involved.

It may have been that LE had no idea of Jason's side trip to Brevard. They were expecting him to return to Raleigh that evening. They tried contacting him on his cell but never made contact with him.
How did Mrs Young and his step-dad find out about the murder? They are the one's who broke the news to Jason, not LE.
Perhaps if LE had known he was headed to Brevard, they would have had an LE representative there to break the news to him; or at least had Brevard LE let him know.

JMO

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 05:29 PM

Here, let's try this.:

Jason killed Michelle because he took out a huge amount of life insurance on her.

Only problem is, he can not collect it.

Jason killed Michelle because he wanted his freedom.

Only problem with that, is if he gets caught, he will be spending his life in prison ,possibly Death Row and can appeal all the way to heck and back again, and still not be free.

How are those 2 things working out for him?

Kat

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I don't agree.

Kat [/*]

WE all know that you do not agree. That was the point of my original post.

JHP

06-26-2008, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Okay, I got it now!
And,yes, it makes sense.
I often wondered why someone from L E was not there in person to gauge Jason's reaction as well.
Maybe that was their chance to ask a few questions too.
A missed opportunity they may regret or may have no bearing on the outcome.

Kat [/*]

Exactly. But this is why I have a problem with what went on in Brevard that afternoon.

Because we have heard so little actual true facts in this case. like who called Jasons parents to tell them? I believe if anyone knew Jason was going to be at his mom's house they would have at least had someone from the Brevard LE to give him the news.

I would have thought they would not have notified anyone until Jason was notified. And who knows maybe they didn't:shrug:

JMO

JHP

06-26-2008, 05:34 PM

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I know that motive does not have to play into a murder, but it helps.

Why do you or anyone else here think Michelle was murdered?

There has to be a reason she was killed.

Reason=motive.

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

I, personally, do not know why she was murdered. I don't know if we will ever know the "why". I just want whomever did this to be arrested AND convicted. If LE needs 6 years to get to the point that they feel comfortable in doing that; then so be it. I trust they know a whole lot more than anyone here does. I will trust their judgement as to when to make an arrest.

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Sorry, but I would request a link to investigators hanging out in Brevard, when no such thing has been reported..

Thanxxxxxxxxxx.

Kat [/*]

"investigators hanging out in Brevard" was a quote by the other poster up thread and I merely quoted that poster within my reply to that poster.

IIRC, there were a few articles that reported Jason having been "seen" in Brevard. I highly doubt the editors of those articles had actually "seen" him. It's been my opinion that they received word from somebody that Jason had been seen in Brevard. I don't believe that "somebody" was a Brevard neighbor or merchant---I believe the info came directly from a detective or investigator.

However, about a similar subject, I believe it was the editor of an article who actually went to Jason's sister's house and spotted a white Jeep parked in the garage, went to the door, nobody answered, and thereafter someone was seen peeking out the window? You don't recall this?

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

This was discussed about a week ago. There are so few actual facts and so many rumors it is difficult to know the why's of anything involved.

It may have been that LE had no idea of Jason's side trip to Brevard. They were expecting him to return to Raleigh that evening. They tried contacting him on his cell but never made contact with him.
How did Mrs Young and his step-dad find out about the murder? They are the one's who broke the news to Jason, not LE.
Perhaps if LE had known he was headed to Brevard, they would have had an LE representative there to break the news to him; or at least had Brevard LE let him know.

JMO [/*]

Okay, maybe I am missing something here.

Michelle's body is found at 1:30 PM, and some time not long afterward people are starting to find out, I have no idea how..

But a call comes in to Brevard around 3:30 pm, right?
Jason is on the road somewhere.

So, when does L E start calling Jason on his phone?
They did try to reach him directly, right?
Did they order a BOLO for him so they can be the ones to tell him?

Do they find out where his parents live, and order local Brevardian police to go to the home?

I am not sure what the sequence of actions were here, but whose fault was it, that Jason did not arrive back in Raleigh when he did?

He could have been pulled over at anytime on his way back.

All they had to do was look for him.

Kat

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
Here, let's try this.:

Jason killed Michelle because he took out a huge amount of life insurance on her.

Only problem is, he can not collect it.

Jason killed Michelle because he wanted his freedom.

Only problem with that, is if he gets caught, he will be spending his life in prison ,possibly Death Row and can appeal all the way to heck and back again, and still not be free.

How are those 2 things working out for him?

Kat [/*]

Once again, you are being ridiculous. It's not a game.

Jason can't collect ... why? He most certainly can. He WON'T for some unknown reason.

Jason killed Michelle for his freedom - problem you state is "if" he is caught. Maybe he thought he would not get caught.

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by JHP

Exactly. But this is why I have a problem with what went on in Brevard that afternoon.

Because we have heard so little actual true facts in this case. like who called Jasons parents to tell them? I believe if anyone knew Jason was going to be at his mom's house they would have at least had someone from the Brevard LE to give him the news.

I would have thought they would not have notified anyone until Jason was notified. And who knows maybe they didn't:shrug:

JMO [/*]

I am understanding you now, read above.

I guess we have to fill in the blanks for some of that afternoon until Jason's arrival.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

Once again, you are being ridiculous. It's not a game.

Jason can't collect ... why? He most certainly can. He WON'T for some unknown reason.

Jason killed Michelle for his freedom - problem you state is "if" he is caught. Maybe he thought he would not get caught. [/*]

Jason can not at this time collect the insurance money without looking suspicious.

Watch the name calling or insults.

:no:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

I, personally, do not know why she was murdered. I don't know if we will ever know the "why". I just want whomever did this to be arrested AND convicted. If LE needs 6 years to get to the point that they feel comfortable in doing that; then so be it. I trust they know a whole lot more than anyone here does. I will trust their judgement as to when to make an arrest. [/*]

Usually there is a reason..

You want me to think someone killed Michelle with no idea why.

So, OJ , Blake, Carruth, Hacking, Barber, Entwistle . all their wives, ex's were killed, and we don't know why.??

But we kinda do!!

Nicole Simpson, OJ never got over her,
Cherica Adams=pregnant with Rae Carruth, a NFL Carolina Panther star, he didn't want her or the baby,
Bonnie Bakely<sp>, in a custody paternity fight with Blake,
Lori Hacking =going to leave Mark,
Justin Barber =insurance money and having affairs, and the latest cream of the crop, (gag)
Neil Enwitsle who not only murdered his wife, and baby, but is trying to destroy her good name and memory with his defense team's accusations.

So, again, why was Michelle killed?

Kat

JHP

06-26-2008, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I am understanding you now, read above.

I guess we have to fill in the blanks for some of that afternoon until Jason's arrival.

Kat [/*]

If you really think about it Jasons mom hearing about her death by 3:30 that afternoon is pretty quick.

JMO

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Okay, maybe I am missing something here.

Michelle's body is found at 1:30 PM, and some time not long afterward people are starting to find out, I have no idea how..

But a call comes in to Brevard around 3:30 pm, right?
Jason is on the road somewhere.

So, when does L E start calling Jason on his phone?
They did try to reach him directly, right?
Did they order a BOLO for him so they can be the ones to tell him?

Do they find out where his parents live, and order local Brevardian police to go to the home?

I am not sure what the sequence of actions were here, but whose fault was it, that Jason did not arrive back in Raleigh when he did?

He could have been pulled over at anytime on his way back.

Kat [/*]

Perhaps my post was not clear.
LE expected Jason to return to Raleigh after his business trip. They had no idea he was headed to Raleigh. They tried reaching him by cell with no luck.
When? I would imagine as soon as they discovered Michelle was murdered. I would think and also assume that they did try to reach him directly. I don't know what their protocol is for notifying spouses but I would think that this would be a part of it.
Somehow Jason's parents find out about the murder. Perhaps one of his friends called, no one knows how they were informed.
He arrives at Mom and Dad's and they tell him what has happened. They pack up and go to Raleigh.

There was NO reason to issue a BOLO (another one of your sarcastic remarks which I should just quit replying to).

Why would they pull him over? What reason would they have? He was not a suspect.
They expected a return to Raleigh, not Brevard.

This would all be assuming that what was posted early on by insiders was true. He called Michelle the night before to ask permission to go to Brevard. She would have been the one to know of the Brevard side trip. Meredith did not know. All she knew was that he was on a business trip and was expecting guests for the football game.
The guests got a call while travelling to Raleigh and may or may not have been at Meredith's when Jason arrived.

This is all going off track from what the original post was in response to. Like I said, there was a lot of discussion about this ... it may have been last weekend. Maybe you should review those posts.

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by JHP

If you really think about it Jasons mom hearing about her death by 3:30 that afternoon is pretty quick.

JMO [/*]

Michelle's sister could have called them all, did she?
Or was she told not to notify anyone?

If I remember right, no one even knew she was murdered right away, an insider said they were told or thought Michelle had a miscarriage.

Did Michelle's sister still not think there was a murder when all the police, and LE arrived?

When did everyone else learn Michelle was murdered?

So, the initial story to Jason could not have been murder .

:shrug:

Kat

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Jason can not at this time collect the insurance money without looking suspicious.

Watch the name calling or insults.

:no:

Kat [/*]

If he has nothing to hide, he should not be worried in the least. He paid the premiums, he is entitled to the proceeds.

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

Perhaps my post was not clear.
LE expected Jason to return to Raleigh after his business trip. They had no idea he was headed to Raleigh. They tried reaching him by cell with no luck.
When? I would imagine as soon as they discovered Michelle was murdered. I would think and also assume that they did try to reach him directly. I don't know what their protocol is for notifying spouses but I would think that this would be a part of it.
Somehow Jason's parents find out about the murder. Perhaps one of his friends called, no one knows how they were informed.
He arrives at Mom and Dad's and they tell him what has happened. They pack up and go to Raleigh.

There was NO reason to issue a BOLO (another one of your sarcastic remarks which I should just quit replying to).

Why would they pull him over? What reason would they have? He was not a suspect.
They expected a return to Raleigh, not Brevard.

This would all be assuming that what was posted early on by insiders was true. He called Michelle the night before to ask permission to go to Brevard. She would have been the one to know of the Brevard side trip. Meredith did not know. All she knew was that he was on a business trip and was expecting guests for the football game.
The guests got a call while travelling to Raleigh and may or may not have been at Meredith's when Jason arrived.

This is all going off track from what the original post was in response to. Like I said, there was a lot of discussion about this ... it may have been last weekend. Maybe you should review those posts. [/*]

I don't know any better reason than to try and reach someone than to notify them of a loss of a loved one.
Jason was next of kin.
This was a MURDER.

Sorry, but they should have pulled out all stops trying to locate him, be the first ones to tell him,and look for any signs of a struggle or a suspicous reaction.

Too late now.

:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

If he has nothing to hide, he should not be worried in the least. He paid the premiums, he is entitled to the proceeds. [/*]

Either way he can not win.

If he comes forward, people will say guilty+motive.

If he does nothing =guilty+motive.

Better to just leave the money there for now.

IMO

Kat

JHP

06-26-2008, 06:14 PM

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Usually there is a reason..

You want me to think someone killed Michelle with no idea why.

So, OJ , Blake, Carruth, Hacking, Barber, Entwistle . all their wives, ex's were killed, and we don't know why.??

But we kinda do!!

Nicole Simpson, OJ never got over her,
Cherica Adams=pregnant with Rae Carruth, a NFL Carolina Panther star, he didn't want her or the baby,
Bonnie Bakely<sp>, in a custody paternity fight with Blake,
Lori Hacking =going to leave Mark,
Justin Barber =insurance money and having affairs, and the latest cream of the crop, (gag)
Neil Enwitsle who not only murdered his wife, and baby, but is trying to destroy her good name and memory with his defense team's accusations.

So, again, why was Michelle killed?

Kat [/*]

We all can surmise why we think someone murdered another person. These are only what we think. Our opinions (which you forgot to add in your post).

Honestly, I really don't care what you believe or don't believe, just as I am sure you could care less about the same with me.
I can tell you why I think Jason killed Michelle. You will come back and say why you think that reason is bunk, in your opinion. We can go back and forth forever and a day and neither one of us will change the other's mind. Many on this board have proffered reasons as to why Jason killed Michelle. Some of those reasons, I agree with, others, not necessarily so.

Hope this helps.

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Michelle's sister could have called them all, did she?
Or was she told not to notify anyone?

If I remember right, no one even knew she was murdered right away, an insider said they were told or thought Michelle had a miscarriage.

Did Michelle's sister still not think there was a murder when all the police, and LE arrived?

When did everyone else learn Michelle was murdered?

So, the initial story to Jason could not have been murder .

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

"So, the initial story to Jason could not have been murder ."

Could not have been? You don't know that as fact. It very well could have been sorted out by then that it was, indeed, murder.

As far as Meredith still not thinking it was murder ... that is total conjecture on your part and extremely insulting to Meredith.
From what I remember reading, it was Michelle's mother who called and she was so upset that the Young's could not understand her. Then, when they heard from Meredith, they had a hard time UNDERSTANDING (Caps for emphasis) Meredith. I highly doubt that Meredith thought Michelle had suffered a miscarriage once LE and paramedics had arrived.

And all of this "assumes" that all of the rumors posted by "insiders" were actually fact.

JMO

Cardinal

06-26-2008, 06:24 PM

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

(snipped)

I often wondered why someone from L E was not there in person to gauge Jason's reaction as well.
Maybe that was their chance to ask a few questions too.
A missed opportunity they may regret or may have no bearing on the outcome. [/*]

"A missed opportunity they may regret" will be very little to NO bearing whatsoever on the overall outcome at time of trial.

It's too bad that LE can't be in all places at the same time to gauge a person's reaction. I'm sure if they could be in all places at the same time, more cases would be solved in a heartbeat! LE is not employed to babysit each and every citizen.

IIRC, when the family was enroute to Brevard, the Sheriff had asked Pat (for confirmation purposes) if Jason was with them. Truth of that is unknown?

In any event, it will be interesting to later learn exactly what was said when and by whom. Investigators usually take very good notes about every little detail. As things unfolded during the initial hours, it may be that Pat said to the Sheriff that Jason would speak to investigators upon their arrival to Raleigh and then when they finally arrived, Jason changed his mind or more than likely; someone changed his mind for him! (attorney Smith comes to mind). IMO.

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I don't know any better reason than to try and reach someone than to notify them of a loss of a loved one.
Jason was next of kin.
This was a MURDER.

Sorry, but they should have pulled out all stops trying to locate him, be the first ones to tell him,and look for any signs of a struggle or a suspicous reaction.

Too late now.

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

He was notified by his parents. Who better to give this type of information than your own parents, who can offer comfort and support in a badly needed time.
Shoud have, would have, could have. Quite similar to your football analogies of "Monday Morning Quarterbacking".

Cardinal

06-26-2008, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

~snipped for emphasis~

In any event, it will be interesting to later learn exactly what was said when and by whom. Investigators usually take very good notes about every little detail. As things unfolded during the initial hours, it may be that Pat said to the Sheriff that Jason would speak to investigators upon their arrival to Raleigh and then when they finally arrived, Jason changed his mind or more than likely; someone changed his mind for him! (attorney Smith comes to mind). IMO. [/*]

I agree - it will be very interesting. From the RUMORS, it would appear that the Brevard contingent started out as any family would - on their way to Raleigh to deal with a tragic death.

It further appears that something changed on that trip. What? Phone calls from friends? An awareness that LE was suspicious of Jason? Advice to retain an attorney?

What information was communicated to the Brevard contingent to effect that change?

JMO

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by JHP

I think Meredith would have been quite busy with investigators and Cassidy for a period of time. Even if someone took Cassidy somewhere else Meredith was answering questions etc.

I doubt LE was telling anyone that had gathered what was going on. They were busy.

I don't think Meredith would have been making many phone calls.

Thats JMO [/*]

I think those series of events are important.

Kat

Cardinal

06-26-2008, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I think those series of events are important.

Kat [/*]

Hi, Kat. :seeya:

I think they're very important, too. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll be privy to them until there's a trial.

And I do think there'll be a trial, Kat. I don't know when. I'm not going to speculate about whom. But I DON'T believe this case will ever be considered "cold" by the WCSO.

JMO

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

I posted my belief about the motive several weeks ago. [/*]

Hiya Card!!

And, I remember it !!

So, I would relate your theory to one that matches up the closest with Mark Hacking.

Do you agree?
At least, somewhat, lol?

Tough crowd today.

:)

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

He was notified by his parents. Who better to give this type of information than your own parents, who can offer comfort and support in a badly needed time.
Shoud have, would have, could have. Quite similar to your football analogies of "Monday Morning Quarterbacking". [/*]

I don't know.....

L E went to a lot of trouble to notify OJ all the way in Chicago.

First responses and reactions are key........

Kat

Cardinal

06-26-2008, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Hiya Card!!

And, I remember it !!

So, I would relate your theory to one that matches up the closest with Mark Hacking.

Do you agree?
At least, somewhat, lol?

Tough crowd today.

:)

Kat [/*]

Thank you for remembering! :)

Yes, I think Hacking is a good comparison for circumstances. Not so good for aftermath.

JMO

Cardinal

06-26-2008, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I don't know.....

L E went to a lot of trouble to notify OJ all the way in Chicago.

First responses and reactions are key........

Kat [/*]

True. But who, other than Michelle, knew Jason's itinerary? I think, initially, LE might have tried to call his cell. Meredith might have had that number. If so, that apparently was not successful.

JMO

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Hi, Kat. :seeya:

I think they're very important, too. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll be privy to them until there's a trial.

And I do think there'll be a trial, Kat. I don't know when. I'm not going to speculate about whom. But I DON'T believe this case will ever be considered "cold" by the WCSO.

JMO [/*]

I don't think anyone wants it to go cold, but if you run out of tips, and have followed up on all the leads, where do you go?

Does anyone wonder why the Reward Money was never claimed?

Kat

Cardinal

06-26-2008, 07:00 PM

June said earlier that Jason arrived in Brevard around 3:30 in the afternoon.

It has been posted that his meeting in Clintwood was at 10:00; I can't imagine that the meeting lasted more than an hour. That would put Jason on the road to Brevard at around 11:00.

It's about 3 1/2 hours from Clintwood to Brevard. Why wasn't Jason in Brevard by 2:30?

Is my math wrong?

JMO

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

True. But who, other than Michelle, knew Jason's itinerary? I think, initially, LE might have tried to call his cell. Meredith might have had that number. If so, that apparently was not successful.

JMO [/*]

Well, I can only imagine what went on at the crime scene after first arriving and identifying Michelle.

Naturally, they would want to talk to Jason.
Then , they find out he was out of town.

I am sure there was quite a lot of speculating after that,

You know what?

I bet that is where Jason and L E got off to a bad start.
They were waiting to talk to him, and he did not arrive back fast enough.

Patience was running out, by the time he arrived, and after what they saw at the crime scene, they were not in a good mood.

Jason gets a lawyer, and things go downhill.

They could not repair their first impressions of each other.

I am almost posted out..

Kat

Cardinal

06-26-2008, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I don't think anyone wants it to go cold, but if you run out of tips, and have followed up on all the leads, where do you go?

Does anyone wonder why the Reward Money was never claimed?

Kat [/*]

I'm not sure the WCSO has finished following up on all the evidence.

As for the reward money, do we know it hasn't been claimed?

JMO

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I don't know.....

L E went to a lot of trouble to notify OJ all the way in Chicago.

First responses and reactions are key........

Kat [/*]

Here's the difference. LE KNEW (caps for emphasis) where OJ was in order to go to those great lengths to notify him. In this case, from what we know, LE did NOT know Jason's exact whereabouts. They "thught" he was on his way back from a business trip in VA and would be arriving around 4 or 5.
They most likely knew the time, place and expected duration of the meeting by contacting his employer. They were NOT aware of his side trip to Brevard.
It is my opinion that had they known he about the Brevard trip, they would have had either a WCSO representative or a Brevard representative there to meet him and deliver the news.

JMO

Cardinal

06-26-2008, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Well, I can only imagine what went on at the crime scene after first arriving and identifying Michelle.

Naturally, they would want to talk to Jason.
Then , they find out he was out of town.

I am sure there was quite a lot of speculating after that,

You know what?

I bet that is where Jason and L E got off to a bad start.
They were waiting to talk to him, and he did not arrive back fast enough.

Patience was running out, by the time he arrived, and after what they saw at the crime scene, they were not in a good mood.

Jason gets a lawyer, and things go downhill.

They could not repair their first impressions of each other.

I am almost posted out..

Kat [/*]

I think there's a lot to that, Kat. I posted something similar, some time (it blurs). I think it was last weekend, with oakayfine. Anyway, I think it's entirely possible that LE expected Jason back before he arrived, and found that suspicious.

JMO

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal
June said earlier that Jason arrived in Brevard around 3:30 in the afternoon.

It has been posted that his meeting in Clintwood was at 10:00; I can't imagine that the meeting lasted more than an hour. That would put Jason on the road to Brevard at around 11:00.

It's about 3 1/2 hours from Clintwood to Brevard. Why wasn't Jason in Brevard by 2:30?

Is my math wrong?

JMO [/*]

Lunch?

Cardinal

06-26-2008, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Lunch? [/*]

Maybe. But I travel on business a lot. If I'm by myself, I don't do a restaurant with table service. It's fast food and eat in the car. Even if it's fast food and eat in the restaurant, it's only 15-20 minutes. There's still time missing, I think.

JMO

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

I'm not sure the WCSO has finished following up on all the evidence.

As for the reward money, do we know it hasn't been claimed?

JMO [/*]

Do you mean evidence they had being tested or new evidence all together?

I don't know about the reward money, I thought we may have heard if it was claimed.

Just like if there was an insurance payoff/.payout.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Maybe. But I travel on business a lot. If I'm by myself, I don't do a restaurant with table service. It's fast food and eat in the car. Even if it's fast food and eat in the restaurant, it's only 15-20 minutes. There's still time missing, I think.

JMO [/*]

But, how do we know Jason and some of the associates at the meeting did not go to lunch?
Oh, wait, what about that gas receipt ?
Wasn't that around 12:30pm?

:looking at my notes:

Kat

Cardinal

06-26-2008, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Do you mean evidence they had being tested or new evidence all together?

I don't know about the reward money, I thought we may have heard if it was claimed.

Just like if there was an insurance payoff.

Kat [/*]

As hush-hush as most of this investigation has been, I'm not sure we'd have heard about either the reward money or the insurance payout.

But I was mostly thinking about whatever evidence was collected with the 2/14 SWs. LE could still be waiting for some of that.

JMO

Cardinal

06-26-2008, 07:21 PM

Cardinal

06-26-2008, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

But, how do we know Jason and some of the associates at the meeting did not go to lunch?
Oh, wait, what about that gas receipt ?
Wasn't that around 12:30pm?

:looking at my notes:

Kat [/*]

According to Scout's blog, the gas receipt in Duffield was at 12:06 (I'll link it if asked :) )

It's still only 2 1/2 hours to Brevard. Why wasn't he there before 3:30?

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Was it? [/*]

I saved the link in my favorites, but it won't come up.

:(

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

According to Scout's blog, the gas receipt in Duffield was at 12:06 (I'll link it if asked :) )

It's still only 2 1/2 hours to Brevard. Why wasn't he there before 3:30? [/*]

Well, there was a rumor he stopped at a hospital but I can not swear to it.

Hearsay.

Oh, and if you look at the links thread it says he arrived at 3 pm.

Kat

Cardinal

06-26-2008, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Well, there was a rumor he stopped at a hospital but I can not swear to it.

Hearsay.

Oh, and if you look at the links thread it says he arrived at 3 pm.

Kat [/*]

I don't know, Kat. I was just going by what June said earlier. She seemed to know.

I heard a rumor about a hospital, too, but that's it. Nothing's ever been said about it otherwise.

I just think it's interesting. There's been a lot of emphasis on the Hillsville-Raleigh timeline, and not so much on the rest of it. I still think there's some time missing.

JMO and calling it a night. Have a good one! :seeya:

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Lunch? [/*]

On November 3rd, I'm willing to bet that Jason didn't have an appetite for breakfast lunch OR dinner.

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I saved the link in my favorites, but it won't come up.

:(

Kat [/*]

I've had it saved in my favorites for-ever, the link has always worked fine for me, as it does today at this very moment.

p.s. thanks to scout for putting the calendar together, much gratitude and appreciation! :seeya: << hello to scout!

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by agathachristie

Me too. [/*]

Do you think he took a short snooze while he was being chauffeured to Raleigh, or do you think he was busily chatting on his cellphone and/or checking his voicemail messages? Probably no eat, no sleep, with lots of intermittent chatting on phone, but no chatting with LE upon his arrival?

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 09:30 PM

I'd like to see his incoming and outgoing cellphone(s) records within the 24 hour period (Nov 2 thru Nov 3), as well as how many times he checked his voicemail, etc. I'm also willing to bet there's a record of him talking to McIntyre or his mother before he arrived in the "driveway" at Brevard (before falling to his knees).

Who was it that said they "had good reason to believe" that Michelle was on her computer at home just prior to being murdered? Lindsay?

BTW, my notes from June 2007 reflect that someone posted about Hillsville Va Hampton Inn, right off I-77, 10 miles into Va. there's about 4-5 motels, a McDonald's, 3 gas-convenience stores all crammed into a very small area. So maybe Jason grabbed a snack?

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

Do you think he took a short snooze while he was being chauffeured to Raleigh, or do you think he was busily chatting on his cellphone and/or checking his voicemail messages? Probably no eat, no sleep, with lots of intermittent chatting on phone, but no chatting with LE upon his arrival? [/*]

I thought he was crying in to towels the whole way back and that was why he could not speak with LE?
"if" he is responsible for this murder, I just can not understand how he can sleep at all. Or how he can face life everyday. How can he face his own daughter? He has to see Michelle in her every time he looks at her. I just don't understand how anyone could function after doing something this horrendous ... especially having to look at Cassie every day. He would have to be void of any feelings. I wonder if he has ever cried. I wonder if he has truly known love. I am just totally baffled.
These non-emotions, coupled with the silence and the claims that he has spoken to NO ONE about this murder, whether or not he is responsible, leads me to believe he is void of emotion. How can anyone not speak of such a tragedy?
If he did not do this ... then he really needs to seek out professional help because he is stuffing emotions down ... this is not good for mental health.

JMO

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints
I'd like to see his incoming and outgoing cellphone(s) records within the 24 hour period (Nov 2 thru Nov 3), as well as how many times he checked his voicemail, etc. I'm also willing to bet there's a record of him talking to McIntyre or his mother before he arrived in the "driveway" at Brevard (before falling to his knees).

Who was it that said they "had good reason to believe" that Michelle was on her computer at home just prior to being murdered? Lindsay?

BTW, my notes from June 2007 reflect that someone posted about Hillsville Va Hampton Inn, right off I-77, 10 miles into Va. there's about 4-5 motels, a McDonald's, 3 gas-convenience stores all crammed into a very small area. So maybe Jason grabbed a snack? [/*]

Yes, that was Lindsey (Lindsay?). Not sure of the spelling.

I think I am more curious as to exactly what time and how Jason's parents found out.

As Cardinal posted before, much empasis was placed on the timelines and goings on the night of the murder but not much has been posted about the day after and all of those timelines.
I'm not a strong believer that Jason's parents did anything to help in any coverup but I do wonder more about Jason and his activities both before and after the meeting and before he arrived in Brevard.

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

You are correct. I apologize Annalyzer.

I think I mixed you up with someone else. [/*]

Thank You. It is really easy to do. I do it quite a bit myself. I hope Annalyzer understands.
I do commend you for stepping up and making an apology. That is something that is rarely seen here.

JMO.

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

Yes, that was Lindsey (Lindsay?). Not sure of the spelling.

I think I am more curious as to exactly what time and how Jason's parents found out.

As Cardinal posted before, much empasis was placed on the timelines and goings on the night of the murder but not much has been posted about the day after and all of those timelines.
I'm not a strong believer that Jason's parents did anything to help in any coverup but I do wonder more about Jason and his activities both before and after the meeting and before he arrived in Brevard. [/*]

I think Jason's cellphone records are going to reflect that he spoke with either McIntyre, his mother (or both of them) before he arrived in the Brevard driveway and before he fell to his knees. He might have been talking with either of them at about the same time he was "frequently checking his voicemail".

I believe Jason was multi-tasking immediately after the murder and up until the time he arrived in Raleigh with his family.

JHP

06-26-2008, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Its also easy to see, after following the NE case, how blind a parent (NE's parents in this case) can be to the obvious. In their defense, I'm sure they believe JY had nothing to do with Michelle's murder. They will continue in this belief when he is arrested, tried and found guilty, IMO. [/*]

It seems to be quite a pattern doesn't it? A quite unfortunate one too.

JMO

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by JHP

It seems to be quite a pattern doesn't it? A quite unfortunate one too.

JMO [/*]

Speaking about "patterns" -- these search warrants are definitely showing a pattern!

JHP

06-26-2008, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

Speaking about "patterns" -- these search warrants are definitely showing a pattern! [/*]

Yes they are. :) I sure do hope someone is arrested soon for this crime. Whoever did this should not be walking free.

JMO

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by agathachristie

Difficult to imagine the scenario. I clearly remember it being posted that his mother called LE ( or maybe they called her?) to say they were enroute. LE's response was something like" he better be on his way back" . Also, that they wanted to speak with him but his mother said he was too upset to talk or he couldn't speak with them for some reason. By the time he posts he is lawyered up and REFUSES to speak. I remember it well. Too bad those posts are gone.

MOO Aggie [/*]

Yes, I remember something like you say, and how those meanie law enforcement cops rudely beamed their bright lights and sirens upon the family's arrival in Raleigh? ...

and took their luggage and winter coats.

meltdown

06-26-2008, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Time is of the essence when you allow a cold blooded killer or killers to walk free.

I thought you wanted justice for Michelle.

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

I do want justice for Michelle and her baby Kat, what i was saying is this takes time and instead of them rushing and makeing mistakes, chargeing the wrong person they should take there time and get it right.

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by agathachristie

It was definitely Lindsey. She posted that many times. As I recall, she tried to retract it , but it was too late. I tended to believe it . Not sure why she backed off. [/*]

Also, (in reviewing my notes from June 2007) someone posted about the Hillsville Va Hampton Inn, right off I-77, 10 miles into Va. there's approx 4-5 motels, a McDonald's w/drive-thru, 3 gas-convenience stores, all crammed into a very small area. So maybe Jason grabbed a snack?

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

Yes, I remember something like you say, and how those meanie law enforcement cops rudely beamed their bright lights and sirens upon the family's arrival in Raleigh? ...

and took their luggage and winter coats. [/*]

I can't remember the exact phrasing but yes, I remember the same thing posted. I believe it was by Gojo or one of his many incarnations. The family started to take things out of the car but LE yelled at them and told them to leave everything there. That they were seizing the car and everything in it. I think it was posted that the SW was not served until 3:30am or something like that to seize the vehicle.
I guess if all of what I remember being posted is true ... then where did the Young's go ... did they stand in the drive way until the warrant was signed and delivered; did they go inside Meredith's house to wait or did LE give them a ride to a hotel?

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by meltdown

I do want justice for Michelle and her baby Kat, what i was saying is this takes time and instead of them rushing and makeing mistakes, chargeing the wrong person they should take there time and get it right. [/*]

Or rushing, making mistakes, charging the right person and having that person get off on a technicality? How would justice be served that way?

oakayfine

06-26-2008, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by meltdown

I don't care how long it takes to get Jason arrested they are putting the pieces of the puzzel together, it will be well worth the wait imo:D [/*]

Oh, I can wait too. I'd rather have it done right.
Pros gets one stab at the apple and that is it. There is no room for error. 100% on an exam is a difficult thing to pull off for anyone. These are few and far between.

I linked a case earlier this evening - David Temple. It took 6 years to bring him to justice. The case was a totally CE case but he is now where he belongs. I'm sure he thought he would get away with it; even up until the day the jury found him guilty.

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

I can't remember the exact phrasing but yes, I remember the same thing posted. I believe it was by Gojo or one of his many incarnations. The family started to take things out of the car but LE yelled at them and told them to leave everything there. That they were seizing the car and everything in it. I think it was posted that the SW was not served until 3:30am or something like that to seize the vehicle.
I guess if all of what I remember being posted is true ... then where did the Young's go ... did they stand in the drive way until the warrant was signed and delivered; did they go inside Meredith's house to wait or did LE give them a ride to a hotel? [/*]

I think scout's calendar reflects the SW for Jason's SUV was issued on Saturday November 4 at 3:15am and (per WTVD) was executed at 4am for the 2004 Ford Explorer.

In addition to the above (per WRAL) the search warrant for 5108 Birchleaf on Friday November 3 was issued at 3:15pm and returned at 3:55pm (just a few hours after Meredith made the 911 call). Jason arrived at his mother's Brevard driveway between 3:30pm-4pm when he (supposedly) received first word of Michelle's death.

I believe the above links for these search warrants are posted in the LINKS thread.

I'm still amazed LE held the 2004 Ford Explorer for as long as they did and it was returned to attorney Smith, I believe.

tiny paw-prints

06-26-2008, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

Oh, I can wait too. I'd rather have it done right.
Pros gets one stab at the apple and that is it. There is no room for error. 100% on an exam is a difficult thing to pull off for anyone. These are few and far between.

I linked a case earlier this evening - David Temple. It took 6 years to bring him to justice. The case was a totally CE case but he is now where he belongs. I'm sure he thought he would get away with it; even up until the day the jury found him guilty. [/*]

Wow! So, David Temple now resides in the solitary "temple" confinement?

In 6 years, little Cassidy would be about 8-9 years old?

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

Wow! So, David Temple now resides in the solitary "temple" confinement?

In 6 years, little Cassidy would be about 8-9 years old? [/*]

C is 4 now, do you think that will make her 10.??

:rolleyes:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-26-2008, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by june1943

LF was the first person to call the Youngs. She was so incoherent that Mrs. young understood that Michelle had miscarried and bled to death. The next person to call was MF I am not sure if they were on their way to Raleigh by then or not. Several people were interviewed before Jason got back to Raleigh ,one of them is the friend that called Jason and said lawyer up they are after you. I know who that friend is but I won't say as it isn't important. Mr. McIntyre helped get the lawyer. I have no links ,some here seem to not want to believe anything if there isn't a link so believe it or not its your choice. [/*]

Thank you, June, sometimes Just the Facts is all you need.

:)

Kat

tiny paw-prints

06-27-2008, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by janesdean
Another link to quite a few articles and videos concerning this case

http://www.wral.com/apps/search/search/?qs=michelle+young&x=24&y=5 [/*]

Whoa! WRAL.com with 162 results? I'd venture to say that constitutes more than a "few articles"!

Thanks ever-so-much for sharing the above link.

I'm going to >> :read:

oakayfine

06-27-2008, 06:16 AM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

Wow! So, David Temple now resides in the solitary "temple" confinement?

In 6 years, little Cassidy would be about 8-9 years old? [/*]

OT
The temple of doom, so to speak. Yes, Temple's son was about 3 when David took his mother from him. He is now about 12 or 13. There was a lot of talk about what would happen to the son. since David had re-married, the child knew his step-mother as his Mom. I don't know how all that ended up as I could find no more articles about it after David was sentenced.

It was a very interesting case. There are many (not all) but many similarities to this case.

I think the thing that really got to me was that none of the evidence had changed in those 6 years. LE found nothing more than what they had after the first few years. For some reason, they just decided it was "time" to forge ahead, arrest and prosecute.

oakayfine

06-27-2008, 07:05 AM

Originally posted by Cardinal

According to Scout's blog, the gas receipt in Duffield was at 12:06 (I'll link it if asked :) )

It's still only 2 1/2 hours to Brevard. Why wasn't he there before 3:30? [/*]

And then, why spend another 2 hours in Brevard before actually heading back to Raleigh? I would think that the logical thing to do if waiting for BIL and others to get ready, would be to send one car - driver and Jason right away and have the rest of the family follow once they were off work, packed and ready to go.

JHP

06-27-2008, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by june1943

LF was the first person to call the Youngs. She was so incoherent that Mrs. young understood that Michelle had miscarried and bled to death. The next person to call was MF I am not sure if they were on their way to Raleigh by then or not. Several people were interviewed before Jason got back to Raleigh ,one of them is the friend that called Jason and said lawyer up they are after you. I know who that friend is but I won't say as it isn't important. Mr. McIntyre helped get the lawyer. I have no links ,some here seem to not want to believe anything if there isn't a link so believe it or not its your choice. [/*]

Isn't it funny june that he couldn't answer the phone or talk to anyone that day, except the friend that told him to get a lawyer?

Since you seem to know everything what time did LF call the Youngs?

Cardinal

06-27-2008, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by oakayfine

And then, why spend another 2 hours in Brevard before actually heading back to Raleigh? I would think that the logical thing to do if waiting for BIL and others to get ready, would be to send one car - driver and Jason right away and have the rest of the family follow once they were off work, packed and ready to go. [/*]

June posted that LF and MF both called the Youngs. I'm interested in what time those calls were received in relation to what time Jason arrived in Brevard. If those calls happened say around 2:30, why didn't the Youngs get a head start on the travel plans?

Also, did the Youngs try to contact Jason after receiving those calls? I don't think they should have given him the news over the phone while he was driving, but I think it would have been natural to try to locate him to confirm that he was still on his way to Brevard and estimate what time he might arrive.

JMO

Cardinal

06-27-2008, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Its even stranger that he took his good old time getting to Cassidy, and yet all we hear about from the JII's is about Meredith's behavior.

What about Jason's VERY STRANGE behavior? [/*]

Speaking of very strange behavior.......

Why would McIntyre break the news about Michelle to Jason in the front yard? Why not wait until he was in the house? And where was Pat?

JMO

MandyMutton

06-27-2008, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Speaking of very strange behavior.......

Why would McIntyre break the news about Michelle to Jason in the front yard? Why not wait until he was in the house? And where was Pat?

JMO [/*]

The common sense answer is that he wanted to do it before Jason started unloading his things from the car. I doubt it's now or ever will be an issue with the DA. I think everyone should please be patient as LE puts the final pieces into the puzzle.

Cardinal

06-27-2008, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

The common sense answer is that he wanted to do it before Jason started unloading his things from the car. I doubt it's now or ever will be an issue with the DA. I think everyone should please be patient as LE puts the final pieces into the puzzle. [/*]

I'm not saying it's an issue with the DA. I'm saying I find it very strange.

All McIntyre had to do was say, "Jason, come on in the house first." It has been asserted countless times that the Youngs are very private people. If that's true, I can't imagine breaking the news in the front yard. And was Pat also in the front yard?

JMO

JD1974

06-27-2008, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

Nope! With or without a link, I thought maybe you might know.

Although, I do wonder if the detectives were able to determine if Jason's vehicle had recently been cleaned, washed, etc. Seems unreasonable that they held the vehicle for so long! [/*]

They washed the vehicle but missed the blood that LE had no problem seeing from outside of the vehicle? At least that is what the search warrant said, LE seen blood, what ever happened with that?

alter ego

06-27-2008, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by Doorbell

We KNOW why.

"Daddy did it."

Lord knows what all she has said. [/*]What, she didn't tell LE "daddy did it", and instead just mumbled it so that only a few people who WANT to hear it can hear it on the 911 call?

What, didn't Michelle's only sister hear Cassidy say those 3 words when she was standing right there talking to her?

And just how incompetent is WSCO when they have a bombshell like this and still don't have enough to sustain a GJ indictment let alone an arrest?

More like we KNOW no such words were ever uttered.

alter ego

06-27-2008, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by JHP

Isn't it funny june that he couldn't answer the phone or talk to anyone that day, except the friend that told him to get a lawyer?

[/*]Is there a link to that?

alter ego

06-27-2008, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Maybe its because we are women? I'd WALK if I had to, just to get to my daughter. Lawyering up would come later, if at all. You are right in that everyone sure seemed more concerned about JY's well being than Cassidy's. [/*]Why, was Michelle's only sister not capable of watching out for Cassidy until Jason got back in town to the point that everyone had to be 'concerned' for her well being?

alter ego

06-27-2008, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by JD1974

They washed the vehicle but missed the blood that LE had no problem seeing from outside of the vehicle? At least that is what the search warrant said, LE seen blood, what ever happened with that? [/*]So much for some grand conspiracy involving all the Youngs in some coverup.

Never heard another word about it, just the allegations in the SW.

Cardinal

06-27-2008, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
Why, was Michelle's only sister not capable of watching out for Cassidy until Jason got back in town to the point that everyone had to be 'concerned' for her well being? [/*]

What does Meredith's ability to care for Cassidy have to do with how long it took the Youngs to get to Raleigh?

alter ego

06-27-2008, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by janesdean

Good question, and when did Meredith become someone the Youngs wouldn't let near Cassidy and WHY ?? [/*]:confused: Is there a credible to link to the Young's not letting MF near Cassidy?

alter ego

06-27-2008, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

What does Meredith's ability to care for Cassidy have to do with how long it took the Youngs to get to Raleigh? [/*]:confused: Why would they be concerned about Cassidy's well being if MF was caring for her?

Cardinal

06-27-2008, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
:confused: Why would they be concerned about Cassidy's well being if MF was caring for her? [/*]

Because she had spent hours with her mother's dead body? Because her Daddy might want to comfort her after that traumatic experience?

alter ego

06-27-2008, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by janesdean
I really find it hard to understand why Jason would call Meredith to go to his home and get something from his printer, but immediately after that day, stopped all her contact with Cassidy. Then, later the same day, he took his time getting to Raleigh to pick up Cassidy, leaving her for hours longer with Meredith after Michelles body was discovered, but now won't let her see Cassidy. What changed so quickly, the Fishers went from closely knit to outcasts as far as Cassidy is concerned. Common sense tells me, he is afraid of what she would have told them she saw or heard the day her mom was killed. jmo [/*]

Please provide a link to MF not being allowed to see Cassidy.

Common sense should tell you that if Cassidy had anything incriminating to say, she would have done so in the hours she was with MF. And then there's the time frame after LE arrived at the home to start investigating Michelle's murder, or did MF keep her away from LE?

alter ego

06-27-2008, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Because she had spent hours with her mother's dead body? Because her Daddy might want to comfort her after that traumatic experience? [/*]:confused: was MF not capable of proving her any comfort?

alter ego

06-27-2008, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Um..........she just spent hours with her mother's dead body?

I'd want to hold and comfort my child. IMMEDIATELY. [/*]
um.....and she in the care of her aunt?

This isn't about you, nonetheless, there is nothing to indicate Jason didn't want to IMMEDIATELY hold and comfort his child, now is there.

Cardinal

06-27-2008, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
:confused: was MF not capable of proving her any comfort? [/*]

Of course she was, and I don't think that's the issue being raised. The issue was the speed at which the child's father got to his daughter. When I was that age and needed comfort, I wanted a parent, not an aunt.

JMO

Cardinal

06-27-2008, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

um.....and she in the care of her aunt?

This isn't about you, nonetheless, there is nothing to indicate Jason didn't want to IMMEDIATELY hold and comfort his child, now is there. [/*]

Only the fact that it took him as long as it did to get there.

JMO

alter ego

06-27-2008, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by Doorbell

I would need to be there as soon as possible, to hold my child. That would be no reflection on the care she had in the meantime. If nobody in my family would consent to an immediate departure, I would have found another way to get there. No hanging around, waiting for a sister to get off work, not packing, nothing. Just, "Take me home, NOW, or I will take myself. If you won't let me drive, I'll find somebody else to take me. One way or the other, I'm leaving NOW." [/*]
So? It wasn't YOU that got the news your wife was murdered, now was it.

Do you know for a fact what happened after Jason was told his wife had been murdered?

alter ego

06-27-2008, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Only the fact that it took him as long as it did to get there.

JMO [/*]Is there a link to how long it took him to get there?

alter ego

06-27-2008, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

We are talking about his putzing around for hours prior to getting his daughter.

-snipped the bait- [/*]
No, you are rumor mongering :read:

Cardinal

06-27-2008, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
Is there a link to how long it took him to get there? [/*]

Originally posted by june1943

Jason arrived somewhere around 3:30 in Brevard. They arrived at MF's house at 9:30. The drive takes 5 hours. There was a gas fill up on the way might have taken 15 or so minutes. so there is about 45 minutes unaccounted for . I don't have a link but I was told Jason sat on the lawn that whole time and the hold up was his BIl that had to get there from work. So unless you call 45 minutes unaccounted for there was no diddle dawdling. Is daddle a word I know what we used to use the other one for back in the good old days. LOl [/*]

Why did they wait for the BIL to get off work? Or don't you believe June?

And why did they let Jason sit on the lawn the whole time?

ETA: And why didn't Jason get to Brevard before 3:30 if the gas stop in Duffield was at 12:06?

alter ego

06-27-2008, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Of course she was, and I don't think that's the issue being raised. The issue was the speed at which the child's father got to his daughter. When I was that age and needed comfort, I wanted a parent, not an aunt.

JMO [/*]It's an 'issue' at what speed Jason returned home? I don't recall LE or the media ever saying anything about it or anything being substantiated about specific times of when Jason was notified or when he left Brevard or when he arrived back home.

:shrug:

alter ego

06-27-2008, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Why did they wait for the BIL to get off work? Or don't you believe June?

And why did they let Jason sit on the lawn the whole time? [/*]I don't know where June is getting her info.

They 'let' Jason sit on the lawn the whole time? Huh?

:confused:

Cardinal

06-27-2008, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
It's an 'issue' at what speed Jason returned home? I don't recall LE or the media ever saying anything about it or anything being substantiated about specific times of when Jason was notified or when he left Brevard or when he arrived back home.

:shrug: [/*]

It's an "issue" raised by some of the posters here today. No one has claimed it's an issue with LE or the media. Again, I was relying upon June's post. Do you think she's wrong?

JMO

alter ego

06-27-2008, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

ETA: And why didn't Jason get to Brevard before 3:30 if the gas stop in Duffield was at 12:06? [/*]:confused: Where did those times come from?

Cardinal

06-27-2008, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
:confused: Where did those times come from? [/*]

The 3:30 came from June's post, and the gas receipt time came from a blog that apparently can't be linked here. I'll be glad to PM you the link if you like.

JMO

awareness

06-27-2008, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

AE, you need to go relax. Maybe take a break from the boards for a while.

We are talking about his putzing around for hours prior to getting his daughter.

Oh, and the next time you are all bashing Meredith and calling her a murderer, remember, Jason was in NO rush to get Cassidy away from her. [/*]

ITA

JMO/IMO

Kat4Eagles

06-27-2008, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by Doorbell

We KNOW why.

"Daddy did it."

Lord knows what all she has said. [/*]

Not true.
:no:
And, apparently not anything like you think, cause Daddy has not been arrested.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-27-2008, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by janesdean

Good question, and when did Meredith become someone the Youngs wouldn't let near Cassidy and WHY ?? [/*]

Maybe something else came out later?

Or maybe when Michelle was alive, she played peacemaker, and once she was gone, Jason did not want to deal with these people anymore.

We don't know the family's history of how they got along.

:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-27-2008, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Just as the Entwistles need to blame Rachel, the Youngs and some of the posters here need to blame Meredith. [/*]

What about the people who think Jason did it, with no evidence or proof.?

Kat

alter ego

06-27-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by Doorbell

Nope. Just what JTF posted, back in the day. Sislbee saved those posts on her blog, even though IS removed them. [/*]IS owns the copyright to those posts if they were posted here.

Sorry, I don't share your desperation for info that I'll believe any ole thing posted on the WWW.

Interesting that Jason allegedly not rushing back soon enough to suit some here is used to bash him and his family. Nothing like being intolerable to someone doing something different than what you would do. Unless of course it's MF describing a horrific murder scene as 'the place doesn't look like it normally does'.

Kat4Eagles

06-27-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by janesdean

Or, maybe he wanted to HELP Jason unload "some things" from his car, before he got him a lawyer that is. Wonder why Cassidy wasn't a priority to any of them ? Surely a concerned father would want to rush to his daughters side after her horrific day spent with her mothers dead body. jmo [/*]

Lol, what kind of incriminating things do you think Jason would be driving around with all day?

Kat

alter ego

06-27-2008, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Maybe something else came out later?

Or maybe when Michelle was alive, she played peacemaker, and once she was gone, Jason did not want to deal with these people anymore.

We don't know the family's history of how they got along.

:shrug:

Kat [/*]
Oh come on, now Kat. Don't spoil the Jason and Young family bash fest with anything sensible.

Kat4Eagles

06-27-2008, 01:17 PM

alter ego

06-27-2008, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

The 3:30 came from June's post, and the gas receipt time came from a blog that apparently can't be linked here. I'll be glad to PM you the link if you like.

JMO [/*]Is it Scout's blog?

Kat4Eagles

06-27-2008, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
:confused: Is there a credible to link to the Young's not letting MF near Cassidy? [/*]

Nope.....none.

Kat

alter ego

06-27-2008, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Doorbell

You don't believe the media, anyway, unless they support your point of view.

IMO [/*]Please don't tell me what I believe.

TIA.

alter ego

06-27-2008, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Nope.....none.

Kat [/*]I didn't think so.

Kat4Eagles

06-27-2008, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by Doorbell

I would need to be there as soon as possible, to hold my child. That would be no reflection on the care she had in the meantime. If nobody in my family would consent to an immediate departure, I would have found another way to get there. No hanging around, waiting for a sister to get off work, not packing, nothing. Just, "Take me home, NOW, or I will take myself. If you won't let me drive, I'll find somebody else to take me. One way or the other, I'm leaving NOW." [/*]

Jason was five hours away and in no condition to drive.

But, let's put C's only surviving parent at risk too.

:rolleyes:

Kat

Cardinal

06-27-2008, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
IS owns the copyright to those posts if they were posted here.

Sorry, I don't share your desperation for info that I'll believe any ole thing posted on the WWW.

Interesting that Jason allegedly not rushing back soon enough to suit some here is used to bash him and his family. Nothing like being intolerable to someone doing something different than what you would do. Unless of course it's MF describing a horrific murder scene as 'the place doesn't look like it normally does'. [/*]

Silsbee attributes the posts and provides links to the sources. Of course, the links probably don't work if the posts have been deleted, but she abided by the copyright laws at the time she included them.

And I don't see how finding the timeline and behavior that afternoon strange is bashing anyone. I think it's strange that McIntyre gave Jason the news about Michelle in the front yard and that the Youngs waited for the BIL to get off work before leaving. Others think it's strange that Meredith described the murder scene as she did. Is that bashing Meredith?

JMO

Kat4Eagles

06-27-2008, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
I didn't think so. [/*]

There is not, and they are also forgetting one BIG thing. HUGE.

No one knew in the early stages that Michelle had been murdered, and no one would know how long C was by herself and under what conditions, but the murderer.

So, If Jason murdered Michelle, then I could see the rush to get to C to shut her up, and not talk to anyone.

But, he didn't do that?

Why?

Cause he was not afraid of what she would say, because he did not kill Michelle.

Thank you.
I rest my case.
:)

Kat......

oakayfine

06-27-2008, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

I WAS wrong, its not Annalyzer who asks for links all the time, Its AE!!! [/*]

Yep, I did not want to mention any names in my post yesterday but you now have it.

Cardinal

06-27-2008, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by june1943

His putzing around for hours is only in your mind. I can put it to within 45 minutes and that's being nice. He could have arrived in Brevard at 3:45 then I can put it to 30minutes. The gas sop could have taken longer than 15 minutes maybe 20 then I could put it within 25 minutes. So its peoples choice believe you or believe me.
Talking about what MF has said on her webs sites isn't bashing that's just discussing her moral by her own words. [/*]

June, why did it take from 12:06 until 3:30 to get from Duffield to Brevard?

Kat4Eagles

06-27-2008, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by janesdean

Well all you need to do is read a little and look at the numerous photos and videos to get an idea how close Michelle was to her sister and mother, not to mention all the love portrayed for Cassidy by each of the above. [/*]

Jason may have tolerated them for Michelle's sake, we don't know or vice versa.

But, and this is a big but, if they, the Fishers, were accusing him of murder on the 1st nite, then, geeze, I wonder why they have such a bad relationship now.

:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-27-2008, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Um..........she just spent hours with her mother's dead body?

I'd want to hold and comfort my child. IMMEDIATELY. [/*]

Umm, and if most people found the brutally beaten dead body of someone they loved, they might remove the child from that scene asap?

You think?

Kat

Cardinal

06-27-2008, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by june1943

I have never asked that question I don't see any importance to knowing. I do know it was before Jason got to Brevard. I am not sure if MF's call was before or after they left or Raleigh. [/*]

June, do you know whether or not the Youngs tried to contact Jason after they got Linda's call?

Kat4Eagles

06-27-2008, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

Oh come on, now Kat. Don't spoil the Jason and Young family bash fest with anything sensible. [/*]

Forget that the family had to calm down, piece all the info together, and get the family together or that they had to pack.

Why didn't L E just send a helicopter for him?

:shrug:

Kat

Cardinal

06-27-2008, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Umm, and if most people found the brutally beaten dead body of someone they loved, they might remove the child from that scene asap?

You think?

Kat [/*]

Kat, the child had already been at that scene for hours.

JMO

Kat4Eagles

06-27-2008, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Silsbee attributes the posts and provides links to the sources. Of course, the links probably don't work if the posts have been deleted, but she abided by the copyright laws at the time she included them.

And I don't see how finding the timeline and behavior that afternoon strange is bashing anyone. I think it's strange that McIntyre gave Jason the news about Michelle in the front yard and that the Youngs waited for the BIL to get off work before leaving. Others think it's strange that Meredith described the murder scene as she did. Is that bashing Meredith?

JMO [/*]

Sils has a great blog, the only one I refer to for facts.

Kat

Cardinal

06-27-2008, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Forget that the family had to calm down, piece all the info together, and get the family together or that they had to pack.

Why didn't L E just send a helicopter for him?

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

Kat, the Youngs certainly had some preparations to make. But the timeline that afternoon as we know it raises some questions, imo.

alter ego

06-27-2008, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by janesdean

That link has been provided numerous times, you'll have to get off here, and go find it yourself. [/*]
No, it has not.

Cardinal

06-27-2008, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Sils has a great blog, the only one I refer to for facts.

Kat [/*]

I've learned a lot from her blog, too.

oakayfine

06-27-2008, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Jason was five hours away and in no condition to drive.

But, let's put C's only surviving parent at risk too.

:rolleyes:

Kat [/*]

Did you fail to read the entire post? She never mentioned anything about Jason driving himself.

Kat4Eagles

06-27-2008, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Kat, the child had already been at that scene for hours.

JMO [/*]

But, Jason would not know that.
He was probably told C was fine, or at least unhurt.

He probably talked to her on the phone and said Daddy is coming.

Did C scream when Jason said he was coming to get her.?

No one at that time knew how long Michelle was dead.
There was no medical exam or autopsy report released that first nite.
I am sure these things were not learned until later.

We still don't know the Time of Death.
Do we?
So, no one knew what C saw, where she was, or how long she had been there.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

06-27-2008, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

Did you fail to read the entire post? She never mentioned anything about Jason driving himself. [/*]

Sure did, someone even thinks he should have walked.

:read:

Kat

alter ego

06-27-2008, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

yeah, it has. [/*]Where.

alter ego

06-27-2008, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by janesdean
snipped from AE's post

"Interesting that Jason allegedly not rushing back soon enough to suit some here is used to bash him and his family. Nothing like being intolerable to someone doing something different than what you would do. Unless of course it's MF describing a horrific murder scene as 'the place doesn't look like it normally does'."

**************

Thanks for proving one or "our" points so well. LOL All that bashing of Meredith over the 911 call is interesting, speaking of being "intolerable to someone doing something different than what you would do." Thanks again !! jmo [/*]
Something about 'unless of course' you don't understand?