June 25 to 27

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


But, Jason would not know that.
He was probably told C was fine, or at least unhurt.

He probably talked to her on the phone and said Daddy is coming.

Did C scream when Jason said he was coming to get her.?

No one at that time knew how long Michelle was dead.
There was no medical exam or autopsy report released that first nite.
I am sure these things were not learned until later.

We still don't know the Time of Death.
Do we?
So, no one knew what C saw, where she was, or how long she had been there.

Kat [/*]

Kat, my point about Cassidy being at the scene for hours was in response to your assertion about Meredith removing her from the scene. Sadly, the child had already seen everything there was to see - what would removing her at that point protect her from?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego

Oh come on, now Kat. Don't spoil the Jason and Young family bash fest with anything sensible. [/*]

Sorry.
I was thinking of my good friend Spinelli that used to post here.
:(

Kat

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Forget that the family had to calm down, piece all the info together, and get the family together or that they had to pack.

Why didn't L E just send a helicopter for him?

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

Heli was in the shop for repairs that day.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by janesdean


Well all you need to do is read a little and look at the numerous photos and videos to get an idea how close Michelle was to her sister and mother, not to mention all the love portrayed for Cassidy by each of the above. [/*]


Everytime I see a pic of Michelle and her only sister, I am struck at the contrast between them.

:(

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



So, what exactly do you think they were doing then, Card?

Playing a game of scrabble?

I am not sure I understand where this going.

What kind of "things" were Jason and the Youngs doing, that should cause us to question their time of arrival..?

Kat [/*]

I'm not accusing anyone of anything, Kat. I don't have a clue what they were doing. That's just it:

What were they doing from the time they got Linda's call until Jason arrived that they weren't prepared to leave as soon as he got there?

Why did they wait until the BIL got off work before leaving?

Why didn't Jason get to Brevard until 3:30 if he left Duffield at noon?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Everytime I see a pic of Michelle and her only sister, I am struck at the contrast between them.

:(

Kat [/*]

Why?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Doorbell


Please note that I did not suggest that he should have driven himself. There are friends, cabs, shuttles...I'm sure in Brevard there was someone willing to take the grieving widower home. [/*]


If I were LE, and I wanted him bad enough, I would have ran his plates through the DMV, put out a APB on him, all in the pretense of wanting to break the news to him myself., so I could see his reaction..and talk to him before he had a chance to laywer up.


Not my fault they did not do that....

Kat

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



So, what exactly do you think they were doing then, Card?

Playing a game of scrabble?

I am not sure I understand where this going.

What kind of "things" were Jason and the Youngs doing, that should cause us to question their time of arrival..?

Kat [/*]

Rumor has it that they had set up the slip n slide to play on for a little bit before they left.

[Kat4Eagles]

If Jason killed Michelle, and he knew C had walked in on the killing, and saw him, please tell me why he did not make an earlier attempt to get back to her, before she talked to someone, anyone?

Thanxxxx.
Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



If I were LE, and I wanted him bad enough, I would have ran his plates through the DMV, put out a APB on him, all in the pretense of wanting to break the news to him myself., so I could see his reaction..and talk to him before he had a chance to laywer up.


Not my fault they did not do that....

Kat [/*]

Maybe they did. But if they did, they probably did the BOLO for the route from Clintwood to Raleigh. I don't believe LE knew about the side trip to Brevard.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by oakayfine


Rumor has it that they had set up the slip n slide to play on for a little bit before they left. [/*]

WHAT???

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
If Jason killed Michelle, and he knew C had walked in on the killing, and saw him, please tell me why he did not make an earlier attempt to get back to her, before she talked to someone, anyone?

Thanxxxx.
Kat [/*]

Kat, IF Jason killed Michelle, he had to establish his alibi and take that risk.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Based upon what's been reported and what can be heard on the 911 call, Cassidy had been at the scene for several hours and was trying to fix booboos. Snatching her out of there wouldn't undo any of that.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Doorbell




Not about LE wanting him, either. It's about Jason being willing to wait for his family to get their act together, rather than follow a basic parental instinct to get to his child at such a sad and scary time. [/*]


Here is what you have wrong.

At that time, no one knew Michelle had been murdered.

The only sister thought she fell, remember?

The first calls did not say murder, only that Michelle was dead.

I don't know when the status changed to Murder..
Nor do you.
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Kat, IF Jason killed Michelle, he had to establish his alibi and take that risk.

JMO [/*]

His alibi was to be at the hotel during the murder.

Why did he need an extended alibi other than to have the body discovered, an alibi he made the nite before?

If the only sister had found the body at 7am, why would he need to go to Brevard at all?

I don't know, but the Board seems to be getting heated, maybe the pool is open.

Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Kat, IF Jason killed Michelle, he had to establish his alibi and take that risk.

JMO [/*]His alibi was already established at that point.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by janesdean


Probably probably probably...you are guessing. Maybe Jason took his sweet time getting to Raleigh in hopes Cassidy would be asleep and she wouldn't have to react to seeing him until he could get her back to Brevard, away from all the Fishers and LE ??? And, what we DO know is all the people involved KNEW that Cassidy was alone all night and day Nov 2/3 and Michelle was not alive. Her sister described her body as STIFF and COLD. Heeelllloooooooooooo??? [/*]

And, she thought she fell.

:rolleyes:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Actually, Bat Cave NC is only about an hour from Brevard. :biggrin: [/*]


Aren't you the sly one, :lol:

Link please.

Just kidding.
:)

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


His alibi was to be at the hotel during the murder.

Why did he need an extended alibi other than to have the body discovered, an alibi he made the nite before?

If the only sister had found the body at 7am, why would he need to go to Brevard at all?

I don't know, but the Board seems to be getting heated, maybe the pool is open.

Kat [/*]

I've posted a theory about the Brevard trip being a ruse altogether, and I still think it's feasible.

But Meredith didn't find Michelle at 7 am, and Jason had no way of knowing if Michelle had told anyone about the Brevard trip. So he would have had to continue with the plans.

JMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by TIAZ


You are just going to have to search and dig around like the rest of us. I am sick of digging for links for you guys. [/*]Originally posted by janesdean


Not quite, without a link it's not a fact, just a rumor/hearsay. Sorry :shrug: [/*]

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I've posted a theory about the Brevard trip being a ruse altogether, and I still think it's feasible.

But Meredith didn't find Michelle at 7 am, and Jason had no way of knowing if Michelle had told anyone about the Brevard trip. So he would have had to continue with the plans.

JMO [/*]

Does not add up for me.

He could have made another business trip for another city and it would have seemed more legit in his grand schemed mastermined deviant evil genius well thought out premediated murder plan.

Does anyone else see why L E is having such a hard time putting this together?

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Does not add up for me.

He could have made another business trip for another city and it would have seemed more legit in his grand schemed mastermined deviant evil genius well thought out premediated murder plan.

Does anyone else see why L E is having such a hard time putting this together?

Kat [/*]

Absolutely - and why it's taking as long as it is. It's also why I have splinters. :)

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Doorbell


Maybe when the EMS and police got there and assessed the situation? [/*]


.......but, did they let the family or the public know right away?

I am thinking almost anyone who had walked in there would have had the initial response that a bloody murder had occurred.

Almost anyone, that is.

Kat

[JHP]

Originally posted by june1943


I have never asked that question I don't see any importance to knowing. I do know it was before Jason got to Brevard. I am not sure if MF's call was before or after they left or Raleigh. [/*]

I do think it's kind of important as to what was going on in Brevard and what the rest of the family was thinking. Did they get the call about Michelles death at 2:30? And they started calling Jason then.
Or did the call come in at 3:21 and they called him and he showed up 9 min. later? That would be kind of a coincidence don't you think?
So when they left Brevard they might not have even known Michelle was Murdered? If they Hadn't spoken with MF?

[katy1974]

I've been away for a few weeks.
I'm trying to catch up on all the posts.
Nothing new has happened?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by katy1974
I've been away for a few weeks.
I'm trying to catch up on all the posts.
Nothing new has happened? [/*]

Hi, Katy, good to see you. :seeya:

No, there has been no news.

[katy1974]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Hi, Katy, good to see you. :seeya:

No, there has been no news. [/*]

Hi Cardinal!

I didn't think there had been anything new in the news. That's too bad. Seems long overdue for an arrest in this case, although there are other cases where an arrest took even longer.

It's good to see you too Cardinal.:seeya:

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



When was I shocked the first time?

Jason is a hero to C...should be good enough for us..

Hope this helps.

Kat [/*]

I don't think so. He's a coward to me. I really don't know if he's a "hero" to Cassie or not. He's her Dad but no one really knows too much more than that. Not even you or June. JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by katy1974


Hi Cardinal!

I didn't think there had been anything new in the news. That's too bad. Seems long overdue for an arrest in this case, although there are other cases where an arrest took even longer.

It's good to see you too Cardinal.:seeya: [/*]

I think we're all anxious for an arrest, Katy. But you're right - there are other cases where it's taken a lot longer.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by TIAZ


Thank you for pointing that out Cardinal. There is a poster here who believes this will go into the Cold Case files after the two year mark.

Not true. [/*]

I said last night, and I'll say again - I don't think the WCSO will ever consider Michelle's case "cold".

JMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I said last night, and I'll say again - I don't think the WCSO will ever consider Michelle's case "cold".

JMO [/*]What do you think they will do when they run out of leads ?

[awareness]

Originally posted by oakayfine


I don't think so. He's a coward to me. I really don't know if he's a "hero" to Cassie or not. He's her Dad but no one really knows too much more than that. Not even you or June. JMO [/*]

That's my opinion too.

He's a total coward for not talking to law enforcement to help the investigation re the murder of his wife & unborn son.

He's a total coward for not stepping up to the plate to pay for the funeral or a headstone.

He's a total coward for not allowing more of a relationship between C and MY's family after her death.

JMO/IMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
What do you think they will do when they run out of leads ? [/*]

I think they'll keep going through every bit of evidence they have until they decide to go to trial regardless.

JMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I think they'll keep going through every bit of evidence they have until they decide to go to trial regardless.

JMO [/*]:confused: If the evidence doesn't solve the case, how will they go to trial?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
:confused: If the evidence doesn't solve the case, how will they go to trial? [/*]

Have you never seen a trial where the DA presented the evidence in such a way that s/he obtained a conviction in a less-than-perfect case?

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I think they'll keep going through every bit of evidence they have until they decide to go to trial regardless.

JMO [/*]

That's exactly what they did with David Temple. Nothing changed in those years between the investigation and the leads ran out until the trial.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by oakayfine


That's exactly what they did with David Temple. Nothing changed in those years between the investigation and the leads ran out until the trial. [/*]

That's the case I was thinking about, too. I think as long as LE has leads, they will hold off on an arrest until they finish investigating them. But I believe at some point, they will decide to go with what they have.

JMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Have you never seen a trial where the DA presented the evidence in such a way that s/he obtained a conviction in a less-than-perfect case? [/*]Wouldn't that describe all the wrongful convictions?

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by alter ego
:confused: If the evidence doesn't solve the case, how will they go to trial? [/*]

I was wrong about David Temple and the 6 years before it went to trial. It was actually 9 years. LE investigated and gathered evidence and 8 years later, with none of the evidence changing, they arrested, tried and convicted him.

http://www.kathryncasey.com/node/28123

Yes, it does happen. Probably more often than we even realize.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by zed


Continue on the path they're on. It's not exactly like they've eliminated the obvious suspect. [/*]They haven't eliminated anyone. And Sheriff Donnie said in Feb '08 that Jason isn't a suspect.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
Wouldn't that describe all the wrongful convictions? [/*]

I don't think so. I know of quite a few wrongful convictions that resulted from evidence that "solved" the case. Especially some with eyewitness testimony that "definitely" identified the defendant.

JMO

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by alter ego
Wouldn't that describe all the wrongful convictions? [/*]

It "could" explain some but I don't think all. I also think that not all of these cases that Card mentioned can be considered as a wrongful conviction either. I think it boils down to the DA wanting as much as humanly possible before taking it to trial. They only get one chance at a conviction so they want to ensure they have as much as they can right. The more the better. Sometimes it is not possible to have everything they feel they might need so they "roll the dice".

IMO

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Allison


How is Jason a hero to Cassidy?

He barely sees her.

She's being raised by her paternal grandmother and step-grandfather.

Also...if Cassidy did not witness the actual murder, which, IMO, she did not, and only saw her dad cleaning up and taking care of her, then IMO, she would not have a negative reaction to her father when she FINALLY saw him when he FINALLY arrived back in Raleigh on 11/3. So saying that her initial reaction to her father is telling is, IMO, wrong.

IMO [/*]

Oh, c'mon. You are clueless, as are we all are, as to what the child witnessed that awful night of her young life. You make it clear you don't like Jason. No doubt the feeling is mutual. But you continue to drag his child into it and pretend you know the private details of her life for no other purpose than to bash Jason. Is it at all possible for you to respect her privacy and leave the child out of range of your venom?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
They haven't eliminated anyone. And Sheriff Donnie said in Feb '08 that Jason isn't a suspect. [/*]

No, that isn't what what Harrison said. He said that the February searches didn't mean Jason was a suspect.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2450106/

"...Harrison said Monday that last week's search does not mean he is a suspect now."

He also said this:

"Harrison said that in no way was the lack of an arrest in the case indicative of how the investigation was going.

"I talked to (Michelle Young's family) sometime back and told them this was not a cold case, won't be a cold case any time soon, and we're continuing to work very hard on it," he said."

[alter ego]

Originally posted by oakayfine


I was wrong about David Temple and the 6 years before it went to trial. It was actually 9 years. LE investigated and gathered evidence and 8 years later, with none of the evidence changing, they arrested, tried and convicted him.

http://www.kathryncasey.com/node/28123

Yes, it does happen. Probably more often than we even realize. [/*]According to your link "Then in 2004, new forensic evidence emerged and David Temple was charged with Belinda's murder." They solved the case when they got new forensic evidence, they didn't (as Cardinal said) go "through every bit of evidence they have until they decide to go to trial regardless".
:shrug:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


No, that isn't what what Harrison said. He said that the February searches didn't mean Jason was a suspect.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2450106/

"...Harrison said Monday that last week's search does not mean he is a suspect now."

He also said this:

"Harrison said that in no way was the lack of an arrest in the case indicative of how the investigation was going.

"I talked to (Michelle Young's family) sometime back and told them this was not a cold case, won't be a cold case any time soon, and we're continuing to work very hard on it," he said." [/*]:confused: How does "Harrison said Monday that last week's search does not mean he is a suspect now" not mean "And Sheriff Donnie said in Feb '08 that Jason isn't a suspect. "

:shrug:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Allison


How is Jason a hero to Cassidy?

He barely sees her.

She's being raised by her paternal grandmother and step-grandfather.

Also...if Cassidy did not witness the actual murder, which, IMO, she did not, and only saw her dad cleaning up and taking care of her, then IMO, she would not have a negative reaction to her father when she FINALLY saw him when he FINALLY arrived back in Raleigh on 11/3. So saying that her initial reaction to her father is telling is, IMO, wrong.

IMO [/*]

But what happens to the people who post as fact that C says.
"Daddydidit?"

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
According to your link "Then in 2004, new forensic evidence emerged and David Temple was charged with Belinda's murder." They solved the case when they got new forensic evidence, they didn't (as Cardinal said) go "through every bit of evidence they have until they decide to go to trial regardless".
:shrug: [/*]

I didn't say that's what LE did in the Temple case. I said that's what I think they will do in Michelle's case.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Allison


:no:

That's not what Sheriff Donnie said.

"Authorities have not named Jason Young a suspect in his wife's death, and Harrison said Monday that last week's search does not mean he is a suspect now."


http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2450106/

Didn't say he was, didn't say he wasn't. [/*]

Huh? "does not mean he is a suspect now" means that Jason isn't a suspect.

No amount twisting is going to change Sheriff Donnie saying Jason isn't a suspect.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
:confused: How does "Harrison said Monday that last week's search does not mean he is a suspect now" not mean "And Sheriff Donnie said in Feb '08 that Jason isn't a suspect. "

:shrug: [/*]

Like Allison said - Harrison didn't say he is and didn't say he isn't. He's only say that the SWs themselves don't mean he's a suspect.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego


Huh? "does not mean he is a suspect now" means that Jason isn't a suspect.

No amount twisting is going to change Sheriff Donnie saying Jason isn't a suspect. [/*]

I'm not twisting anything. Harrison was referring only to the February searches in that statement. Nothing else.

JMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


That's the case I was thinking about, too. I think as long as LE has leads, they will hold off on an arrest until they finish investigating them. But I believe at some point, they will decide to go with what they have.

JMO [/*]

They DA won't go with what they have if it doesn't prove the case.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by zed


They've eliminated me, so the statement that "they haven't eliminated anyone" isn't quite accurate.

I'm not a police person, so when I say suspect, I mean it in a layman's context. Jason is a suspect and is currently being investigated by the police. All search warrants that are available to the public relate to Jason. [/*]

The recent "valentine search warrants"?

What kinds of things do you think LE was looking for?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego


They DA won't go with what they have if it doesn't prove the case. [/*]

How do you know what they have won't prove the case to the jury?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I'm not twisting anything. Harrison was referring only to the February searches in that statement. Nothing else.

JMO [/*]No, he was referring to Jason's status as a suspect and the latest searches not meaning he is one.

Authorities have not named Jason Young a suspect in his wife's death, and Harrison said Monday that last week's search does not mean he is a suspect now.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2450106/

[Cardinal]

Thank you for the warning, CW. Hopefully, a warning will be sufficient.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


How do you know what they have won't prove the case to the jury? [/*]Because they haven't gotten an indictment.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
No, he was referring to Jason's status as a suspect and the latest searches not meaning he is one.

Authorities have not named Jason Young a suspect in his wife's death, and Harrison said Monday that last week's search does not mean he is a suspect now.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2450106/ [/*]

Actually, AE, that's not a quote from Harrison. That's a paraphrase by the author. We don't know exactly what Harrison said.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
Because they haven't gotten an indictment. [/*]

A certain expression about a ham sandwich comes to mind. The DA could get an indictment if he chooses, imo. The lack of an indictment isn't indicative of being able to prove the case to a jury.

JMO

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by TIAZ


And.......its sort of OBVIOUS when only the places that Jason has lived are the subject of the warrants.

That screams suspect IMO. [/*]


Since the Feb 08 warrants were for the 2 places that he's been staying, what do you suppose the warrants were for; more cellphones, computers, etc.

BTW, does anyone know if Jason's sister is still in possession and driving Michelle's vehicle?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Allison



They haven't gotten an indictment because they haven't presented the case to the GJ yet. [/*]

So, they haven't got a case then?
20 + months and no case.
Very confident and reassuring.
And, not =cold.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Allison


You are right, Cardinal.

Who knows in what context that statement from Sheriff Harrison was made?

If the Sheriff, who has pretty much kept this case hush-hush, was asked directly if the sw's meant Jason is the primary suspect in Michelle's murder, he may have responded with the vague answer we read.

I think it has been established that the WCSO is not in the habit of naming official suspects in a case.

IMO, we won't know anything until and indictment is handed down. [/*]

That's my thinking, too - that Harrison was asked by the reporter if the warrants meant Jason was a suspect, and he was dodging the question as he always has.

JMO

[katy1974]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



.......but, did they let the family or the public know right away?

I am thinking almost anyone who had walked in there would have had the initial response that a bloody murder had occurred.

Almost anyone, that is.

Kat [/*]

At the beginning of the call to emergency services Meredith says, "I think my sister is dead." She was blindsided by what she came upon when entering Michelle's home. I'm sure no one would be thinking straight in any direction.
She knew Michelle didn't fall.
She knew something horrible had taken place there.
She just didn't expect it to be the worst scenario that may have flashed through her mind.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints



Since the Feb 08 warrants were for the 2 places that he's been staying, what do you suppose the warrants were for; more cellphones, computers, etc.

BTW, does anyone know if Jason's sister is still in possession and driving Michelle's vehicle? [/*]

My guess would be electronic devices of some sort, but I don't know.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by oakayfine


It "could" explain some but I don't think all. I also think that not all of these cases that Card mentioned can be considered as a wrongful conviction either. I think it boils down to the DA wanting as much as humanly possible before taking it to trial. They only get one chance at a conviction so they want to ensure they have as much as they can right. The more the better. Sometimes it is not possible to have everything they feel they might need so they "roll the dice".

IMO [/*]Since the State only gets one bite at the apple, DAs don't "roll the dice".

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by zed


That is a very interesting question. We do know that they couldn't have justified the searches if they didn't have new information, so I suspect that they suspect Jason may know more than he is letting on. [/*]

I agree, your suspicions were my thinking as well. With possible "new information", I suspect Jason has been talking and/or communicating with someone or a few people, probably by cellphone and/or computer. I don't believe LE is searching for a family heirloom butter knife at either or both homes.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


A certain expression about a ham sandwich comes to mind. The DA could get an indictment if he chooses, imo. The lack of an indictment isn't indicative of being able to prove the case to a jury.

JMO [/*]Sure it is. If the DA thought they had a case with sufficient evidence to secure a conviction, he would present.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
Sure it is. If the DA thought they had a case with sufficient evidence to secure a conviction, he would present. [/*]

"It just takes time," Harrison said. "There's so much involved in this case – so many things involved in this case – that we just want to take our time, and this is just a part of it."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2450106/

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


That's my thinking, too - that Harrison was asked by the reporter if the warrants meant Jason was a suspect, and he was dodging the question as he always has.

JMO [/*]A dodge would be 'no comment'.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego
Sure it is. If the DA thought they had a case with sufficient evidence to secure a conviction, he would present. [/*]

Or if there was enough evidence to make an arrest, they would make one..

WCSO is no different than any other county that handles murder cases.

Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


"It just takes time," Harrison said. "There's so much involved in this case – so many things involved in this case – that we just want to take our time, and this is just a part of it."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2450106/ [/*]
Right, they haven't solved the case so there is nothing to present to a GJ let alone sustain a conviction.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


"It just takes time," Harrison said. "There's so much involved in this case – so many things involved in this case – that we just want to take our time, and this is just a part of it."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2450106/ [/*]

Hiya Card,

That article is 4 months old now, sure wish we would get something new.

Kat

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by zed


Maybe whatever they were looking for at Birchleaf in connection with the deck stain didn't pan out, so they checked the other places where Jason stays for extended visits. I thought I read somewhere that they looked in sheds during that search. [/*]

Maybe the warrants were for comparison purposes of deck stain (used on the patio deck at Birchleaf and the woodsheds in Brevard)?

Is that what June meant when she said McIntyre stayed behind to "get things done"---he finished painting the wood shed? Naw.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Hiya Card,

That article is 4 months old now, sure wish we would get something new.

Kat [/*]

Hi, Kat. I agree, I wish we would get something new. But I have to respect LE for keeping this so tightly wrapped.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego

Right, they haven't solved the case so there is nothing to present to a GJ let alone sustain a conviction. [/*]

I have more faith than that, AE. I believe there will be justice for Michelle and Rylan.

JMO

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by alter ego
According to your link "Then in 2004, new forensic evidence emerged and David Temple was charged with Belinda's murder." They solved the case when they got new forensic evidence, they didn't (as Cardinal said) go "through every bit of evidence they have until they decide to go to trial regardless".
:shrug: [/*]

There are many, many links to this case. The one I happened to pull stated this. What do you think they were doing between 1999 and 2004 when the new forensic evidence came in? They were reviewing evidence. They were going through every piece and sending more and more to labs for testing. So, Cardinal was neither right nor was she wrong.
I do believe she was basing her info on what I had previously posted and the link that I had posted previously which said nothing of the new forensic evidence.

JMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Or if there was enough evidence to make an arrest, they would make one..

WCSO is no different than any other county that handles murder cases.

Kat [/*]Exactly.

And they certainly aren't going to present a unsolved case to a GJ.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I have more faith than that, AE. I believe there will be justice for Michelle and Rylan.

JMO [/*]I hope they do solve it. But I don't for a second believe they would hold back on presenting to a GJ if they thought they had enough evidence to secure a conviction.

[awareness]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


So, they haven't got a case then?
20 + months and no case.
Very confident and reassuring.
And, not =cold.

Kat [/*]

:lol:
You know darn well they're working on it Kat and its NOT "cold".

:no: :rolleyes:

JMO/IMO

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by alter ego
Since the State only gets one bite at the apple, DAs don't "roll the dice". [/*]

It was a phrase I chose to use. They go with what they have. It may not be as much as what they want but they go with it anyway. Yes, they "roll the dice" so to speak. Are we now not allowed to use phrases of our choice either? Only links and proper verbage are allowed.
I am sure that most people got the gist of the post.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
I hope they do solve it. But I don't for a second believe they would hold back on presenting to a GJ if they thought they had enough evidence to secure a conviction. [/*]

Suppose they have enough for a conviction, but not enough for a DP sentence. Do you think they would hold back then?

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by alter ego

Right, they haven't solved the case so there is nothing to present to a GJ let alone sustain a conviction. [/*]

That is YOUR opinion of how YOU interpreted the linked article. Nothing more and nothing less.
Others have read and interpreted differently.

JMO

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


But what happens to the people who post as fact that C says.
"Daddydidit?"

Kat [/*]

What happens to those people? Probably nothing. They are still posting that that is what they are hearing; so that tells me that nothing happens to them. What do you think happens to them?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by oakayfine


There are many, many links to this case. The one I happened to pull stated this. What do you think they were doing between 1999 and 2004 when the new forensic evidence came in? They were reviewing evidence. They were going through every piece and sending more and more to labs for testing. So, Cardinal was neither right nor was she wrong.
I do believe she was basing her info on what I had previously posted and the link that I had posted previously which said nothing of the new forensic evidence.

JMO [/*]Cold cases sit on a shelf until someone starts looking thru them to see if they can generate any leads.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by oakayfine


That is YOUR opinion of how YOU interpreted the linked article. Nothing more and nothing less.
Others have read and interpreted differently.

JMO [/*]My interpretation is based on the FACT that there hasn't been a GJ indictment and the FACT the case is still UNSOLVED.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by alter ego


They DA won't go with what they have if it doesn't prove the case. [/*]
You are correct but since we don't know what they have or do not have makes this entire conversation moot. Some think they have enough and are awaiting more. Others think they have nothing. It's all based on various opinions. That's it.
You say they have nothing, I say they have plenty and will move forward to the GJ when they are confident they have enough for DP.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Suppose they have enough for a conviction, but not enough for a DP sentence. Do you think they would hold back then? [/*] :confused:


No.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
:confused:


No. [/*]

Why not?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by oakayfine

You are correct but since we don't know what they have or do not have makes this entire conversation moot. Some think they have enough and are awaiting more. Others think they have nothing. It's all based on various opinions. That's it.
You say they have nothing, I say they have plenty and will move forward to the GJ when they are confident they have enough for DP. [/*]If they had 'enough' they would present.

Enough for a DP? Huh?

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


So, they haven't got a case then?
20 + months and no case.
Very confident and reassuring.
And, not =cold.

Kat [/*]

How did you surmise this from what was posted? Your post makes no sense when in context to what the actual post read.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Why not? [/*]

Because the decision to seek the DP, or not, is made after a GJ indictment and before charges are filed and usually involve input from the victim's family.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego


Because the decision to seek the DP, or not, is made after a GJ indictment and before charges are filed and usually involve input from the victim's family. [/*]

But my question was, do you think they would hold off on the indictment until they thought they had enough for the DP? I don't think that decision would be made after the indictment.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


But my question was, do you think they would hold off on the indictment until they thought they had enough for the DP? I don't think that decision would be made after the indictment.

JMO [/*]


I don't think it works that way.

They usually decide afterwards if they want to go for the DP, sometimes consulting with the family even.

Wasn't it the Barber case where the jury decided on the DP, and the Judge overturned their decision and made it LWOP?



Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



I don't think it works that way.

They usually decide afterwards if they want to go for the DP, sometimes consulting with the family even.

Wasn't it the Barber case where the jury decided on the DP, and the Judge overturned their decision and made it LWOP?



Kat [/*]

Kat, I don't know about usually, but I don't think the DA is going to walk into the grand jury room in this case without knowing whether or not he's planning to seek the DP. Not after all of this time. But that's just my opinion.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Kat, I don't know about usually, but I don't think the DA is going to walk into the grand jury room in this case without knowing whether or not he's planning to seek the DP. Not after all of this time. But that's just my opinion. [/*]


I was surprised to learn that MA has no DP.
The Entwistle case would have been a definite candidate.

And, NC does not recognize the Laci and Conner law.

:(

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



I was surprised to learn that MA has no DP.
The Entwistle case would have been a definite candidate.

And, NC does not recognize the Laci and Conner law.

:(

Kat [/*]

I know, and I think it's a shame. I know that Jenna Nielsen's family are strong advocates for enacting that law in NC, and, IIRC, Linda and Meredith Fisher have supported it too.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal

<snipped>

I know, and I think it's a shame.

JMO [/*]

Can you or someone help me link something from today's WRAL?

It is the one about a pastor's home where blood and shoes were found. His wife was killed.

It says authorities have called the husband
"a person of interest."

Thank you.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Can you or someone help me link something from today's WRAL?

It is the one about a pastor's home where blood and shoes were found. His wife was killed.

It says authorities have called the husband
"a person of interest."

Thank you.

Kat [/*]

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Can you or someone help me link something from today's WRAL?

It is the one about a pastor's home where blood and shoes were found. His wife was killed.

It says authorities have called the husband
"a person of interest."

Thank you.

Kat [/*]

I saw that:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3112255/

But that's Hoke County, not Wake County. :)

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I saw that:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3112255/

But that's Hoke County, not Wake County. :) [/*]


Thank you, Card,
I was going to link it manually,
I will never learn !

But, they still only called him a person of interest when you know he is probably a lot more than that.

It is 85 miles from Raleigh.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Thank you, Card,
I was going to link it manually,
I will never learn !

But, they still only called him a person of interest when you know he is probably a lot more than that.

How far is that from Raleigh?

Kat [/*]

It's about 1 1/2 hours. Actually, it's near Aberdeen. :D

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Maybe MA will reconsider after this heinous crime.
They could call it something like "Lilislaw".
Wasn't that the sweet baby's name? [/*]

I wish every state that doesn't yet recognize it would reconsider.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


It's about 1 1/2 hours. Actually, it's near Aberdeen. :D [/*]


You are starting to remind me of Lindsey, she can find anything.

:)

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I wish every state that doesn't yet recognize it would reconsider. [/*]

The DP or the Laci and Conner Law?

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


The DP or the Laci and Conner Law?

Kat [/*]

The Laci and Conner Law. I've got mixed feelings about the DP.

JMO

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by Cardinal


The Laci and Conner Law. I've got mixed feelings about the DP.

JMO [/*]

OT

I have mixed feelings with DP as well. I think LWOP is a much better punishment in the long run. DP lets the perp off too easy. Just a needle poke with no suffering at all.
LWOP, if it is truly LWOP, means they have to spend the rest of their life reflecting upon what they did.
BUT that would require the person to have a conscience to begin with. I sometimes wonder if some of these people have one. In those cases, it doesn't matter which way you go with them ... DP or LWOP - it wouldn't matter.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by oakayfine


OT

I have mixed feelings with DP as well. I think LWOP is a much better punishment in the long run. DP lets the perp off too easy. Just a needle poke with no suffering at all.
LWOP, if it is truly LWOP, means they have to spend the rest of their life reflecting upon what they did.
BUT that would require the person to have a conscience to begin with. I sometimes wonder if some of these people have one. In those cases, it doesn't matter which way you go with them ... DP or LWOP - it wouldn't matter. [/*]

I think LWOP is a better option, too. In NC, there's an automatic appeal of DP sentences, that keeps people on Death Row for years anyway. And, honestly, there have been too many DP sentences overturned for me to be comfortable with it.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by agathachristie


I was surprised to learn that it costs the taxpayers more to house DR inmates.
Actually more cost effective to do LWOP.
Still sad and depressing no matter what.

MOO Aggie [/*]

Yes, it is.

And back o/t, if the DA/LE is waiting for DP evidence in the Michelle Young case, I personally think they would be better off to go with what they have.

Not that they will care what I think. :D

JMO

ETA: Have a good evening, everyone. :seeya:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


But my question was, do you think they would hold off on the indictment until they thought they had enough for the DP? I don't think that decision would be made after the indictment.

JMO [/*]
No.

What evidence would they be waiting for to show the murder was 'especially heinous, atrocious, or cruel?
:shrug: