Police Kill Man Who Beat Child to Death

[Lis73]

http://www6.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20080615/Baby.Killed/




I am at a loss..... I am both angry and extremely upset for what this child went through.



:rose: :rose: For that poor baby.

[Annie143]

I cannot wrap my mind around this one either. Dear God. Surely this man was on drugs or was deranged. That poor baby, it probably wasnt the first time.

Little one

:rose:

[Indy]

This is extremely difficult to respond to.

Just heartbreaking the child couldn't be saved.

Dammit, why do people do this?!! :flamemad:

May that sweet baby find comfort in Heaven and the dirtbag that did this rot in Hell!

[evalles]

I really can't stand this crap anymore.

OMG, it sounds like he kept beating him after he killed him.

I'm glad this monster is dead, but I wish he would have suffered more.

[SaraSidle]

I sure hope this is not related to the Amber Alert in CA. IMO

[evalles]

Originally posted by SaraSidle
I sure hope this is not related to the Amber Alert in CA. IMO [/*]


I hope not, because if it is, where is the other little boy.

The youngest in the photo is 3 and he looks to big to be confused with a one or two year old.

They were also going in the wrong direction if they were headed to Mexico.
Unless, after killing their mother, he was disoriented and went the wrong way.
That would have made him pretty mad.
The article also said the vehicle was facing in the wrong direction.

[Lis73]

:rose: Praying for the precious baby. :rose:

I don't know about the rest of you, but these incidents are becoming far to numerous that it weighs heavy on my heart. I take small confort in knowing that he is being treasured for the gift he was wrapped in God's arms.

[SaraSidle]

Originally posted by evalles



I hope not, because if it is, where is the other little boy.

The youngest in the photo is 3 and he looks to big to be confused with a one or two year old.

They were also going in the wrong direction if they were headed to Mexico.
Unless, after killing their mother, he was disoriented and went the wrong way.
That would have made him pretty mad.
The article also said the vehicle was facing in the wrong direction. [/*]

I noted all that evalles....just both men are reportedly 27 yrs old
IMO.

[evalles]

Originally posted by SaraSidle


I noted all that evalles....just both men are reportedly 27 yrs old
IMO. [/*]

I didn't notice they were both 27, you're much more observant than I am.
Things are certainly looking bad.
Same age, state, day and they were both in trucks.
I was trying to find out if Ortega's was a 4 door, but didn't have any luck.

[Annie143]

is there a link to what you all are referring to regarding an Amber alert ?

I find this thread heart wrenching. The littlest ones are so vulnerable. How can anyone abuse a small child in this way, even if they were crying or soiled their pants, there is no excuse or forgiveness for me when this is done to a child.

[evalles]

Originally posted by Annie143
is there a link to what you all are referring to regarding an Amber alert ?

I find this thread heart wrenching. The littlest ones are so vulnerable. How can anyone abuse a small child in this way, even if they were crying or soiled their pants, there is no excuse or forgiveness for me when this is done to a child. [/*]

[evalles]

Originally posted by Annie143
is there a link to what you all are referring to regarding an Amber alert ?

I find this thread heart wrenching. The littlest ones are so vulnerable. How can anyone abuse a small child in this way, even if they were crying or soiled their pants, there is no excuse or forgiveness for me when this is done to a child. [/*]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=333466

[SaraSidle]

Originally posted by evalles


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=333466 [/*]

Thank you for linking that. I have no idea how to do it.

[SaraSidle]

Originally posted by evalles


I didn't notice they were both 27, you're much more observant than I am.
Things are certainly looking bad.
Same age, state, day and they were both in trucks.
I was trying to find out if Ortega's was a 4 door, but didn't have any luck. [/*]

Well I just saw the picture of the 3 yr old and you are right. I do not think he would pass for 1 or 2 either.....IMO

[evalles]

Originally posted by jenny_92808
It is unthinkable for someone to do this to a baby. The Stanislaus county coroner's office said they would have to identiy the boy through dna because he was beaten beyond recognition.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/15/BAJT119MI5.DTL [/*]

This article says the truck was a four door toyota.
They were looking for Ortega in a ford ranger.
I still have a feeling it's Ortega. Hwy 99 would have been the likely route from Sundale, I think.

They also say he lived in Turlock and then they didn't know where he came from or where he was going ??

[evalles]

Ok, I think we're heading in the wrong direction on this.
The Amber alert was issued today, Sunday afternoon.
Based on the articles I've read, this baby was beaten to death Saturday night.

[SaraSidle]

Originally posted by evalles
Ok, I think we're heading in the wrong direction on this.
The Amber alert was issued today, Sunday afternoon.
Based on the articles I've read, this baby was beaten to death Saturday night. [/*]

Thanks evalles. You are certainly quick at finding that info. I just read from thread to thread.

[evalles]

Originally posted by SaraSidle


Thanks evalles. You are certainly quick at finding that info. I just read from thread to thread. [/*]

I have self-diagnosed OCD.

[evalles]

Originally posted by Bratlings




I agree, in fact I am mad we cant kill him some more as irrational as that is. [/*]

Not irrational at all.

[SaraSidle]

Originally posted by evalles


I have self-diagnosed OCD. [/*]


I have self diagnosed ADD with a side of OCD

[SaraSidle]

Originally posted by SaraSidle



I have self diagnosed ADD with a side of OCD [/*]

I am sorry this is off topic I just hope the find out who this man is?:

[msgatorslayer]

:( What the he!! is wrong with someone who can be so enraged at a baby that bystanders and LE could not get him to stop the beating?

:rose:

[Postergeist]

I saw this story on Geraldo- too sickening and outrageous beyond words.

poor sweet little baby boy :rose:

for those that couldn't stop him before it was too late :rose:


No child should ever have to wait to be in the arms of Jesus to be safe.

[evalles]

Originally posted by SaraSidle


I am sorry this is off topic I just hope the find out who this man is?: [/*]

I think they know who he is, but they're waiting to notify family.
They said it might be difficult to get in touch with family because they were out of state.
If the truck was his, then they know who he is.

[evalles]

If this is legit, here are a couple of comments from this forum from a man claiming to be the child's uncle. He doesn't give any names.

fresno
Fresno, CA Reply »
|Report Abuse |#4 10 hrs ago
this is sad for the family trust me... This inocent child was my nephew (cousin's son)! I still can believe this!!

fresno
Fresno, CA Reply »
|Report Abuse |#20 7 hrs ago
I know thats what we have all been asking ourselves, Why wasnt anybody doing anything. I mean I would have pushed this man and token this child running, this was his father were talking about!!!! why did he do this is what i ask myself, I still dont know.... Poor baby, he was only 2...



http://www.topix.com/forum/source/evening-sun/T96JB205Q9PD05OTH

[evalles]

New comment from Fresno after someone asked for a name.

fresno
Fresno, CA Reply »
|Report Abuse |Judge it! |#39 4 min ago
i'm sorry but cant say anything... I dont think my cousing will want this shown, he was hispanic, I mean if I am giving permission I will give it out. Sorry!!!

[lorjac]

I think it's amazing that numerous people stopped and attempted to help this child.... they have to live w/what they saw... and it depends on the size of those people versus the rage of the man. The elderly couple were there first.... what could they have done other than call 911.

This man was HELL BENT on what he was doing and who knows if he was on drugs or what.... I'm sure every one of the people who stopped to help are going through the list of 'what ifs' and are mortified w/the outcome of this for that child.

I give those people a ton of credit for STOPPING. They could have easily called 911 and went on their way... they did what they could.

[Annie143]

two posts on this thread strangely seemed to sooth my anger.
Reading the Lords Prayer was calming. Thank you for that.

Our Father, which art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name;
thy kingdom come;
thy will be done,
in earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive them that trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation;
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom,
the power, and the glory,
For ever and ever.
Amen.

and

This man was HELL BENT on what he was doing and who knows if he was on drugs or what.... I'm sure every one of the people who stopped to help are going through the list of 'what ifs' and are mortified w/the outcome of this for that child.

I give those people a ton of credit for STOPPING. They could have easily called 911 and went on their way... they did what they could. Another Amen.

[evalles]

Originally posted by lorjac
I think it's amazing that numerous people stopped and attempted to help this child.... they have to live w/what they saw... and it depends on the size of those people versus the rage of the man. The elderly couple were there first.... what could they have done other than call 911.

This man was HELL BENT on what he was doing and who knows if he was on drugs or what.... I'm sure every one of the people who stopped to help are going through the list of 'what ifs' and are mortified w/the outcome of this for that child.

I give those people a ton of credit for STOPPING. They could have easily called 911 and went on their way... they did what they could. [/*]

You're right, leave the blame with the scum who committed the crime. The people that were there are going through enough already, if they read the critical comments that some have made, they'll feel even worse.
They're probably thinking of all the what if's right now.

[Daisy]

I just read this at cnn.com and am completely sickened and heartbroken! It's just beyond comprehension. I can't imagine the nightmares the people and police officers who witnessed this are going to have.

Too bad somebody couldn't take a tire iron to this guy's head. But, who knows, maybe the poor baby was already gone before even the first witnesses stopped. This is just freaking horrifying!


~Daisy

[lorjac]

If someone has the nerve to criticize the actions of these people they need to shut up.... these people did more than a lot of people would have. If someone comes up with the "I would have grabbed him and forced him to the ground".... well, good for them. I'm sure that these people did everything they could... but if a man holding a gun on you cannot stop someones actions... you tell me what an individual can do????

This is something that will haunt these people for years if not the rest of their lives. This elderly couple may be grandparents... imagine the way they can see their grandchildren in that little boy....

I cannot imagine the tears these people have cried... their heartbreak....

And we haven't even touched on the loss the family has experienced. These are just people who had NO clue who this child was.......

:rose:

[Indy]

Originally posted by lorjac
If someone has the nerve to criticize the actions of these people they need to shut up.... these people did more than a lot of people would have. If someone comes up with the "I would have grabbed him and forced him to the ground".... well, good for them. I'm sure that these people did everything they could... but if a man holding a gun on you cannot stop someones actions... you tell me what an individual can do????

This is something that will haunt these people for years if not the rest of their lives. This elderly couple may be grandparents... imagine the way they can see their grandchildren in that little boy....

I cannot imagine the tears these people have cried... their heartbreak....

And we haven't even touched on the loss the family has experienced. These are just people who had NO clue who this child was.......

:rose: [/*]Well said and absolutey right! To witness a child dying in such a horrific way, one would have to have counseling and support to get through that visual nightmare!

I for one am glad that evil monster was shot dead. Save the tax payers the money from some insanity defense and a long drawn out trial.

For all who tried to help that boy. :rose:

For that precious baby boy, "you are no longer in pain and fear".
:rose:

[evalles]

His father killed him.

http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/669470.html

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by lorjac
If someone has the nerve to criticize the actions of these people they need to shut up.... these people did more than a lot of people would have. [/*]

Who did that? :confused:

[4Kids]

It sounds like this little one had angels at his side while he was dying. The article I read said it was odd that so many passers by occurred on that lonely road. I wonder why they were all there?

I will believe they were there to show this baby that he was not alone. That there were people there with him, fighting for him and crying for him. He was not alone.

They could not stop the animal who did this. But this baby was not alone when he died.

May he Rest in Peace.

[lorjac]

Why wasnt anybody doing anything. I mean I would have pushed this man and token this child running,

This is one comment I was referring to... and then someone mentioned that the family would probably come out and say he was a good father who had never done anything bad.

Regarding this comment..... Why wasn't anybody doing anything??? Yeah, they just stood by and watched.... even a police officer w/a loaded gun could do NOTHING to stop this monster. Leave the blame where it truly belongs!!!

ETA about 3 this afternoon all of the sudden it hit me and I just burst into tears for this poor child....

[SaraSidle]

Originally posted by evalles


You're right, leave the blame with the scum who committed the crime. The people that were there are going through enough already, if they read the critical comments that some have made, they'll feel even worse.
They're probably thinking of all the what if's right now. [/*]

He may even have been on drugs which would have 10 X the rage and anyone without a weapon would be badly hurt. JMHO

[SaraSidle]

Originally posted by evalles
His father killed him.

http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/669470.html [/*]


Definitely not the one I was talking about earlier. 2 different crimes.

[Lis73]

:rose: For the precious baby boy. :rose:

[Heidi J.]

Originally posted by msgatorslayer
:( What the he!! is wrong with someone who can be so enraged at a baby that bystanders and LE could not get him to stop the beating?

:rose: [/*]

No crap.. Thank God I didn't witness this.. He would need DNA to be recognized :flamemad:

[evalles]

Few Answers in Toddler Beating Death

There's a picture of the killer

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=43311&catid=2

[lorjac]

We hear it every day people who witness child abuse and do nothing. All I'm saying is they could have easily dialed 911 and reported it and drove on.

You're right, the original report stated the first car that came upon them was an elderly couple.

[Daisy]

This gave me nightmares last night. I can't imagine what the people who actually witnessed and tried to stop this guy are living through.

According to the CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/17/toddler.killed.ap/index.html) story this morning, this man (I hate to call him a father!) was yelling that the little boy was "filled with demons" and was "trash". And when the police officer ordered him to stop beating the baby, the man gave him the finger. Then the officer shot him in the middle of his forehead. I can't imagine anyone who deserved it more.

This story just kills me!
~Daisy

[HANNAH ROSE]

I'm not faulting the people who were there but didn't stop this guy but in my mind I just envision someone taking a running tackle at this guy and at least getting him off this baby even if it meant being hurt yourself. My FIL is 60 years old, overweight with a bad knee and I can totally see him trying to take this guy out in some way to try and save that child. Even if it meant running him down with his truck. It's a tall truck, enough to hide a toddler underneath.

Poor, poor baby.

[lorjac]

I understand, but who is to say that he would have let go of the child and the child could not have been hurt at that point as well??

Most likely the child had suffered so much damage by the time these people stopped that if he did survive, he wouldn't have had much quality of life.

[VeeTruWill]

You have no idea what you would have done. Until you are put in that position, you have absolutely NO CLUE!!! It is sooooo easy to say "Oh, I would have done this, I would have done that". Please!?!?!?!

I nearly lost my husband due to 1 selfless act. He stepped into a domestic situation and was stabbed in the chest, collapsing a lung and nearly killing him. This all happened on a remote road out in the country. He was making a delivery to a mining operation when he came upon this guy beating the crap out of his girlfriend. He very well could have saved her life. I truly believe that. He stepped in got stabbed and afterward was criticized for his actions because he should not have put his life in danger.

No one should be criticized for their heroic actions. NO ONE!!! I am just glad they attempted to do something. I just hope they can get passed the guilt they will likely feel and see that they did the right thing by just stopping and calling 911.

This child is in God's arms now. Save your "Well I would have done......." for when you are actually in one of these situations.

:rose: Kudos to all that made any type of attempt to save this child. You are all angels in my eyes.:rose:

[HANNAH ROSE]

You know I started out by saying that I wasn't trying to fault anyone I was just thinking the scenario through. I'm sure everyone there will be second-guessing themselves for a long, long time.

I'm sorry for your personal experience and wish nothing but the best for you and your husband.

[lorjac]

Bless your husband ~ I completely agree nobody knows how they will act until they are in the situation. People with the best intentions can freeze, people you would NEVER expect to step up are complete heroes.

[Annie143]

Good posts on a sad and tragic subject.

My best wishes go out to you and your husband. He is a hero and God bless him for his selfless act.

:rose:

[evalles]

Coroner: Turlock Toddler Killer was Baby's Father


http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=43480&catid=2


Mom was a kindergarten teacher and is said to be devastated.

Some are blaming her, but so far it doesn't appear that there were any signs that he was capable of something like this.

OMG, I can't imagine being in her shoes. It's bad enough to lose a child, but to know how much he suffered at the hands of someone he trusted.

[Heidi J.]

Thanks for the update.. and no I cannot begin to think what the mom is feeling.. My goodness.. unbelievable.

:rose: Axel

[lorjac]

I know people seem to believe there HAS to be warning signs.... maybe there were and they were very subtle and in hindsight will seem more obvious, but she has to live w/that.

I wouldn't wish that on any person.

[evalles]

Originally posted by lorjac
I know people seem to believe there HAS to be warning signs.... maybe there were and they were very subtle and in hindsight will seem more obvious, but she has to live w/that.

I wouldn't wish that on any person. [/*]



Who really thinks that anybody is capable of something like that ?

I hope she gets through this.

[Lis73]

:rose: For the baby boy:rose:

[melanie78]

Originally posted by evalles




Who really thinks that anybody is capable of something like that ?

I hope she gets through this. [/*]


That's what I was going to say. What would be a warning sign of this? This by far is one of the worst I have seen here. They can't even ID this baby!


Singh said an elderly couple made the first 911 call to police after spotting Aguilar's stopped pickup facing the wrong direction. They said a young man was brutally beating a child behind his truck and throwing the toddler on the ground. "They could see him being beaten and people were trying to intervene, but it was having little or no effect," said Singh, adding that one man who tried to stop the violence was repeatedly thrown to the ground by Aguilar.

This is from the article. It doesn't sound like they were just watching. At least one man was stepping in.

Prayers for the mother. I can't even imagine the pain she has to be feeling.

[lorjac]

I think by all means people were physically trying to stop him another quote said that he threw someone off and went back to beating the child.... he was not going to be stopped... that was very obvious.

[evalles]

Originally posted by lorjac
I think by all means people were physically trying to stop him another quote said that he threw someone off and went back to beating the child.... he was not going to be stopped... that was very obvious. [/*]

The witnesses had to be in shock.
There's no way to prepare for something like this.

[lorjac]

And there is no way to ever unsee it either.....

[melanie78]

Or foresee it.

I think it is so horrific people are trying to put it togther and grasp at whoever was involved.

This man was unhuman.

[lorjac]

I can understand if he had numerous calls for domestic abuse or had been investigated for child abuse or had been in and out of institutions that people could have seen and/or prevented this... but it doesn't always work that way.

[melanie78]

He doesn't even have a criminal record. I am waiting for the tox tests! Maybe that will give some answers.

[WebGal]

I came across this awhile ago, so I thought I'd post in case anyone wanted an update ... I'm glad the boards are back!

Sergio Casian Aguiar, 27, had no drugs or alcohol in his system that might help explain his behavior, said Kristi Ah You, Stanislaus County chief coroner.

Link (http://www.modbee.com/local/story/349797.html)

There may never be any answers here, I believe. :(

[Heidi J.]

Thanks for the update. What set him off:shrug: