Michelle Marie Young 6/12/08

[Kat4Eagles]

I have no idea what happened .
I hope it is okay to start a new thread.
And, I hope we can stay on topic.


Thanxxx.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
I have no idea what happened .
I hope it is okay to start a new thread.
And, I hope we can stay on topic.


Thanxxx.

Kat [/*]

I hope so too, Kat. I sent CW a PM to ask whether it's ok to start a new thread, but I haven't received a response.

And I also hope we can stay on topic. Honestly, I haven't seen much of that this week.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I hope so too, Kat. I sent CW a PM to ask whether it's ok to start a new thread, but I haven't received a response.

And I also hope we can stay on topic. Honestly, I haven't seen much of that this week.

JMO [/*]

Hiya Card..
I went out and came back and we were closed.
I don't even want to know what happened.
:(
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

How about there is something so convincing, something that could prove Jason was not in Raleigh that nite?

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
Any ideas for a topic?

Kat [/*]

Anything other than what to call Michelle's sister would suit me. :)

Maybe the murder weapon? I don't think it was a maglite. Any ideas about what it could have been?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles I have no idea what happened ._I hope it is okay to start a new thread._And, I hope we can stay on topic.Thanxxx.Kat [/*]

Kat, thanks for starting a new thread.I had already started one._ Coinky-dink!Your timing is impeccable!

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Anything other than what to call Michelle's sister would suit me. :)

Maybe the murder weapon? I don't think it was a maglite. Any ideas about what it could have been? [/*]


What are the choices for the murder weapon?
I always thought it had to be something that was near by that was just picked up by chance.

If Jason had planned to kill Michelle,why didn't he just shoot her?
One bullet, pillow to smother her and the noise.

Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



What are the choices for the murder weapon?
I always thought it had to be something that was near by that was just picked up by chance.

If Jason had planned to kill Michelle,why didn't he just shoot her?
One bullet, pillow to smother her and the noise.

Kat [/*]

If he had planned to strangle her and then found it wasn't that easy to look into the eyes of your victim while you murder them, might he have looked for something on hand and killed her in a different way than the original plan?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Kat, thanks for starting a new thread.I had already started one._ Coinky-dink!Your timing is impeccable! [/*]

Can you bring yours over, or do you want to move over there?
I didn't see it.
Let me check.


Kat

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Anything other than what to call Michelle's sister would suit me. :)

Maybe the murder weapon? I don't think it was a maglite. Any ideas about what it could have been? [/*]


I was reading older posts and came back to that mallet found in the yard by the neighbor. I know that LE has said it had nothing to do with the murder but that is one odd coincidence to me. They said it kind of quickly also, had they tested it first? Seems if they had it tested it would of taken longer for them to pronounce the insignificance of it, considering just a few months ago they said some materials hadn't even come back from the lab yet. Or do they already have the murder weapon in their possesion therefore they knew the mallet wasn't important to the case?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



What are the choices for the murder weapon?
I always thought it had to be something that was near by that was just picked up by chance.

If Jason had planned to kill Michelle,why didn't he just shoot her?
One bullet, pillow to smother her and the noise.

Kat [/*]

Guns aren't easy for some people. Especially typically law-abiding types. To get one legally would leave a paper trail. To get one illegally would mean dealing with some people not so pleasant. That's one reason I don't think this was about drugs or robbery. Those types would have guns.

I think the murder weapon was something nearby, too. But what?

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by JD1974



I was reading older posts and came back to that mallet found in the yard by the neighbor. I know that LE has said it had nothing to do with the murder but that is one odd coincidence to me. They said it kind of quickly also, had they tested it first? Seems if they had it tested it would of taken longer for them to pronounce the insignificance of it, considering just a few months ago they said some materials hadn't even come back from the lab yet. Or do they already have the murder weapon in their possesion therefore they knew the mallet wasn't important to the case? [/*]\

I think the mallet turned out to have no bearing on the case , but some of us got our hopes up high.


:shrug:

Kat

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
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I think the mallet turned out to have no bearing on the case , but some of us got our hopes up high.


:shrug:

Kat [/*]


Right but that is my question, how did LE know so quickly that it had no bearing on the case? It was found quite awhile after the murder so there probably wouldn't have been anything visible to the naked eye on it, so how did they determine so quickly that it had nothing to do with the murder, like I said could it be that they have the murder weapon already and that is how they debunked the mallet so quickly?


ETA So quickly meaning there were reports that they were still waiting on lab work just a few months ago, that material was collected back when the crime was committed and it wasn't back yet, so testing on the mallet couldn't have come back that fast could it?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by JD1974



I was reading older posts and came back to that mallet found in the yard by the neighbor. I know that LE has said it had nothing to do with the murder but that is one odd coincidence to me. They said it kind of quickly also, had they tested it first? Seems if they had it tested it would of taken longer for them to pronounce the insignificance of it, considering just a few months ago they said some materials hadn't even come back from the lab yet. Or do they already have the murder weapon in their possesion therefore they knew the mallet wasn't important to the case? [/*]

Actually, that's a good point. Maybe LE did announce so quickly that the mallet had nothing to do with the murder because they either already had the murder weapon or knew what it was.

So what could it be?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by JD1974



Right but that is my question, how did LE know so quickly that it had no bearing on the case? It was found quite awhile after the murder so there probably wouldn't have been anything visible to the naked eye on it, so how did they determine so quickly that it had nothing to do with the murder, like I said could it be that they have the murder weapon already and that is how they debunked the mallet so quickly? [/*]

I know it was ruled out pretty quickly, as compared to some of other things in the case.

Maybe they don't have the "actual weapon" but they do know what the weapon was that was used.

In this case, the mallet wasn't .

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Barbara2


If he had planned to strangle her and then found it wasn't that easy to look into the eyes of your victim while you murder them, might he have looked for something on hand and killed her in a different way than the original plan? [/*]

But what?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Cardinal


But what? [/*]

Not being a forensic expert and not having access to the photos, I wouldn't be able to say. Could be a golf club, a bat, a heavy flashlight. That's all I can think of off the top of my head. If it was easily accessible to an intruder, it would have been easily accessible to Jason as well.

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Actually, that's a good point. Maybe LE did announce so quickly that the mallet had nothing to do with the murder because they either already had the murder weapon or knew what it was.

So what could it be? [/*]


Hope this won't double post but I was looking around my house and thinking about it, I couldn't read the autopsy reports, so all I know is some of the wounds had a cresent shape to them that is if I am remembering correctly. So looking around I would guess maybe a small hammer type object or maybe the bottom of a small table top lamp, like the kind I have in my bedroom on the night stand.


Sorry didnt realize typing ham mer would bring the little icon on, but I am sure you got the point I was making.


ETA about the ham mer, if the killer came through the garage...most people I know keep their tools like ham mers in there.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by JD1974



Hope this won't double post but I was looking around my house and thinking about it, I couldn't read the autopsy reports, so all I know is some of the wounds had a cresent shape to them that is if I am remembering correctly. So looking around I would guess maybe a small hammer type object or maybe the bottom of a small table top lamp, like the kind I have in my bedroom on the night stand.


Sorry didnt realize typing ham mer would bring the little icon on, but I am sure you got the point I was making.


ETA about the ham mer, if the killer came through the garage...most people I know keep their tools like ham mers in there. [/*]

I've done the same thing. Problem is, I don't have anything on my nightstand or near my bed that would make a crescent-shaped wound. So I'm at a loss to imagine the murder weapon.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JD1974



Hope this won't double post but I was looking around my house and thinking about it, I couldn't read the autopsy reports, so all I know is some of the wounds had a cresent shape to them that is if I am remembering correctly. So looking around I would guess maybe a small hammer type object or maybe the bottom of a small table top lamp, like the kind I have in my bedroom on the night stand.


Sorry didnt realize typing ham mer would bring the little icon on, but I am sure you got the point I was making.


ETA about the ham mer, if the killer came through the garage...most people I know



The lamp in Michelle's bedroom did have blood on it, but I don't know if it was the weapon used.

So, why didn't Jason just poison Michelle?

He would not have had to return to Raleigh to poison her before he left.

He drove all the way home to strangle her......great plan.

:rolleyes:

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JD1974



Hope this won't double post but I was looking around my house and thinking about it, I couldn't read the autopsy reports, so all I know is some of the wounds had a cresent shape to them that is if I am remembering correctly. So looking around I would guess maybe a small hammer type object or maybe the bottom of a small table top lamp, like the kind I have in my bedroom on the night stand.


Sorry didnt realize typing ham mer would bring the little icon on, but I am sure you got the point I was making.


ETA about the ham mer, if the killer came through the garage...most people I know



The lamp in Michelle's bedroom did have blood on it, but I don't know if it was the weapon used.

So, why didn't Jason just poison Michelle?

He would not have had to return to Raleigh to poison her before he left.

He drove all the way home to strangle her......great plan.

:rolleyes:

Kat [/*]

Kat, IF Jason killed Michelle, I don't think he drove home with the intention of killing her.

JMO

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I've done the same thing. Problem is, I don't have anything on my nightstand or near my bed that would make a crescent-shaped wound. So I'm at a loss to imagine the murder weapon.

JMO [/*]

I hate even thinking about this but if you take for instance the night stand lamp and hit it on your hand it leaves a cresent mark because it is round and only a portion of it actually strikes where you are hitting. SO if you imagine someone picking up a lamp and using it at an angle where only the side is hitting against whatever it is you are hitting it leaves a cresent shaped indent, although not a cresent shape like say the moon, more like a C shape but a stretched out C.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Kat, IF Jason killed Michelle, I don't think he drove home with the intention of killing her.

JMO [/*]

Good, so at least we can throw pre~med out the window.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by JD1974


I hate even thinking about this but if you take for instance the night stand lamp and hit it on your hand it leaves a cresent mark because it is round and only a portion of it actually strikes where you are hitting. SO if you imagine someone picking up a lamp and using it at an angle where only the side is hitting against whatever it is you are hitting it leaves a cresent shaped indent, although not a cresent shape like say the moon, more like a C shape but a stretched out C. [/*]

Ouch. Maybe. But I did read the autopsy report. The only mention of a crescent-shaped wound was on her upper arm. The wounds on her skull didn't lend themselves to any identification of a weapon, imo.

But maybe you're right. If LE determined that the lamp was the weapon, they wouldn't be looking for anything else.

Question: If the lamp was the weapon, where would it be located at the crime scene? Still on the table? On the floor?

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by JD1974


I hate even thinking about this but if you take for instance the night stand lamp and hit it on your hand it leaves a cresent mark because it is round and only a portion of it actually strikes where you are hitting. SO if you imagine someone picking up a lamp and using it at an angle where only the side is hitting against whatever it is you are hitting it leaves a cresent shaped indent, although not a cresent shape like say the moon, more like a C shape but a stretched out C. [/*]


Okay, but listen.

The lamp had to be light enouh to swing it about 30 times, but heavy enough to do all the damage that was done to Michelle.

Tire iron?
Bat?


Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Good, so at least we can throw pre~med out the window.

Kat [/*]

That's just my opinion, Kat. I'm sure I'm in the minority. But I don't think this murder was premeditated, regardless of who killed Michelle. Too disorganized, imo.

JMO

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JD1974



Hope this won't double post but I was looking around my house and thinking about it, I couldn't read the autopsy reports, so all I know is some of the wounds had a cresent shape to them that is if I am remembering correctly. So looking around I would guess maybe a small hammer type object or maybe the bottom of a small table top lamp, like the kind I have in my bedroom on the night stand.


Sorry didnt realize typing ham mer would bring the little icon on, but I am sure you got the point I was making.


ETA about the ham mer, if the killer came through the garage...most people I know



The lamp in Michelle's bedroom did have blood on it, but I don't know if it was the weapon used.

So, why didn't Jason just poison Michelle?

He would not have had to return to Raleigh to poison her before he left.

He drove all the way home to strangle her......great plan.

:rolleyes:

Kat [/*]


I really don't think he did it, but I am open to the fact that it is possible, I just don't think it is probable. Too many variables that could of gone wrong but didn't,if he did it he is one of the luckiest murderers there is, no one seen him driving or stopping anywhere on a 6 hour round trip. No purchases with credit cards that would show he left the motel.

Either he planned it extremely well or he didn't do it. I don't think the murder was planned so why isn't there any record of him being outside of his motel that night? If not planned, he wouldn't have thought about making an alibi by not using his credit cards or avioding anyone, no one is just that lucky. IMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Okay, but listen.

The lamp had to be light enouh to swing it about 30 times, but heavy enough to do all the damage that was done to Michelle.

Tire iron?
Bat?


Kat [/*]

I don't think a tire iron would leave a crescent mark. Plus, I think a tire iron would have completely crushed her skull. A bat? The small end might leave the crescent mark, but I don't think the large end would.

JMO

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Okay, but listen.

The lamp had to be light enouh to swing it about 30 times, but heavy enough to do all the damage that was done to Michelle.

Tire iron?
Bat?


Kat [/*]


Right my lamp is metal, not heavy at all but if I were to throw it at a wall it would definitely leave a mark and the lightbulb may be broke but the lamp wouldn't look any different. Next time you go to the store go to the lamps and look at them, they look heavy but they aren't. The one I have is not heavy at all but the bottom of it is very thick, that would be what you would hit someone with, the thick bottom portion.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by JD1974



I really don't think he did it, but I am open to the fact that it is possible, I just don't think it is probable. Too many variables that could of gone wrong but didn't,if he did it he is one of the luckiest murderers there is, no one seen him driving or stopping anywhere on a 6 hour round trip. No purchases with credit cards that would show he left the motel.

Either he planned it extremely well or he didn't do it. I don't think the murder was planned so why isn't there any record of him being outside of his motel that night? If not planned, he wouldn't have thought about making an alibi by not using his credit cards or avioding anyone, no one is just that lucky. IMO [/*]

IF Jason killed Michelle, and IF he drove back to Raleigh, it could indeed be a matter of luck, imo. Like I said, I don't think it was premeditated. People travel all the time without any record of it.

JMO

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Ouch. Maybe. But I did read the autopsy report. The only mention of a crescent-shaped wound was on her upper arm. The wounds on her skull didn't lend themselves to any identification of a weapon, imo.

But maybe you're right. If LE determined that the lamp was the weapon, they wouldn't be looking for anything else.

Question: If the lamp was the weapon, where would it be located at the crime scene? Still on the table? On the floor?

JMO [/*]


Honestly I think after the killer/killers realized what they had done they most likely just dropped it on the floor and ran out. I too agree that it wasn't premeditated so after the initial rage had worn off and they seen what they had done, they were probably in shock or scared because of what they had done, let the murder weapon drop to the floor and booked out of there.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JD1974



Hope this won't double post but I was looking around my house and thinking about it, I couldn't read the autopsy reports, so all I know is some of the wounds had a cresent shape to them that is if I am remembering correctly. So looking around I would guess maybe a small hammer type object or maybe the bottom of a small table top lamp, like the kind I have in my bedroom on the night stand.


Sorry didnt realize typing ham mer would bring the little icon on, but I am sure you got the point I was making.


ETA about the ham mer, if the killer came through the garage...most people I know



The lamp in Michelle's bedroom did have blood on it, but I don't know if it was the weapon used.

So, why didn't Jason just poison Michelle?

He would not have had to return to Raleigh to poison her before he left.

He drove all the way home to strangle her......great plan.



Kat [/*]

Can you think of a smart murderer who had a great plan? Was Scott Peterson's plan great? Who in their right mind plans a "great" murder? My guess is no one.

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Cardinal


IF Jason killed Michelle, and IF he drove back to Raleigh, it could indeed be a matter of luck, imo. Like I said, I don't think it was premeditated. People travel all the time without any record of it.

JMO [/*]


For that many hours though, 6 hrs travelling in a car. You would have to stop for gas or the restroom at some point in there, especially if you just killed your wife and were panicked driving the whole way back. I know when I am nervous or scared I have to use the restroom every 15 min.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JD1974



For that many hours though, 6 hrs travelling in a car. You would have to stop for gas or the restroom at some point in there, especially if you just killed your wife and were panicked driving the whole way back. I know when I am nervous or scared I have to use the restroom every 15 min. [/*]

Men don't necessarily have to use formal restrooms. Any off the road place will do. IMO

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Can you think of a smart murderer who had a great plan? Was Scott Peterson's plan great? Who in their right mind plans a "great" murder? My guess is no one. [/*]


I am sure there are plenty of murderers who have a great plan, look at how many unsolved homicides there are.

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Men don't necessarily have to use formal restrooms. Any off the road place will do. IMO [/*]


Taking the chance of someone seeing him? Especially LE who routinely drive the highways at night? What about gas? Unless he filled up right before he arrived at the motel, he would of had to have stopped somewhere on the way back home then back to the motel, once again taking the chance of running out of gas and LE, another motorist or even having to walk to a station, someone would remember any of those scenarios.


ETA If he didn't stop and was just taking the chance that he would make it with the gas he had in the car. I would bet that even had he paid cash LE has checked the videos from gas stations etc. on his route.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JD1974



I am sure there are plenty of murderers who have a great plan, look at how many unsolved homicides there are. [/*]

How many are familiar or spousal? I think most of the unsolved are drive by or stranger murders. They seem to be the unplanned ones that just happen that get away. IMO

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JD1974



Taking the chance of someone seeing him? Especially LE who routinely drive the highways at night? What about gas? Unless he filled up right before he arrived at the motel, he would of had to have stopped somewhere on the way back home then back to the motel, once again taking the chance of running out of gas and LE, another motorist or even having to walk to a station, someone would remember any of those scenarios. [/*]

There have been a number of theories of how he COULD have done it. All guesses but it would not have been impossible.

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Barbara2


There have been a number of theories of how he COULD have done it. All guesses but it would not have been impossible. [/*]


I agree nothing is impossible, I am just saying it seems improbable that someone who just killed their wife, especially an unplanned murder, would be that lucky as to have not been seen or had any paper trail showing he left his motel that night.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by JD1974



I am sure there are plenty of murderers who have a great plan, look at how many unsolved homicides there are. [/*]


This murder was not planned.
This murder was not even supposed to happen.

Something went wrong, horribly wrong.
I think we can all attest to that.

Something else was going on, and Michelle either got in that way or when she tried to defend herself, it all went horribly wrong.

No one kills someone like this with any amount of thinking put into it.

They did not have time to think.

This was pure, in the moment, panic, rage, a fight that escalated, a struggle that left the killer exhausted, physcially and emotionally, and with no time to do anything more than run when it was over.

I think there was a moment of disbelief when it was all over, and then great regret and sadness.

And, then the killer went into survival mode, knowing it was all but over.

JMO
IMO

Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JD1974



I agree nothing is impossible, I am just saying it seems improbable that someone who just killed their wife, especially an unplanned murder, would be that lucky as to have not been seen or had any paper trail showing he left his motel that night. [/*]

I'm not sure that it's a given that he wasn't seen. I don't think we know everything that LE has. Even if someone thought they saw him, that's still not the best evidence. Eyewitness testimonies are some of the most unreliable. IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

I also think it is wrong to say the killer or killers, whoever it is, moved on.

How could anyone pick up the pieces and move on after killing someone like this?


Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



This murder was not planned.
This murder was not even supposed to happen.

Something went wrong, horribly wrong.
I think we can all attest to that.

Something else was going on, and Michelle either got in that way or when she tried to defend herself, it all went horribly wrong.

No one kills someone like this with any amount of thinking put into it.

They did not have time to think.

This was pure, in the moment, panic, rage, a fight that escalated, a struggle that left the killer exhausted, physcially and emotionally, and with no time to do anything more than run when it was over.

I think there was a moment of disbelief when it was all over, and then great regret and sadness.

And, then the killer went into survival mode, knowing it was all but over.

JMO
IMO

Kat [/*]

I think there was some element of planning in the murder of Michelle Fisher Young and her baby boy. JMO

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
I also think it is wrong to say the killer or killers, whoever it is, moved on.

How could anyone pick up the pieces and move on after killing someone like this?


Kat [/*]

How can anyone kill like this? The killing makes much less sense than the moving on. IMO

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



This murder was not planned.
This murder was not even supposed to happen.

Something went wrong, horribly wrong.
I think we can all attest to that.

Something else was going on, and Michelle either got in that way or when she tried to defend herself, it all went horribly wrong.

No one kills someone like this with any amount of thinking put into it.

They did not have time to think.

This was pure, in the moment, panic, rage, a fight that escalated, a struggle that left the killer exhausted, physcially and emotionally, and with no time to do anything more than run when it was over.

I think there was a moment of disbelief when it was all over, and then great regret and sadness.

And, then the killer went into survival mode, knowing it was all but over.

JMO
IMO

Kat [/*]


I agree and that brings me back to the point that if like I believe this crime was not premeditated how can someone be so lucky as to not leave any evidence of a 6 hour drive as in having to stop for gas somewhere along the way, LE canvassed the gas stations yet apparently no one remembers him, no credit card charge for gas etc. If there was any evidence he left that motel he would be sitting in jail awaiting trial. NO ONE is that lucky!

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JD1974



I agree and that brings me back to the point that if like I believe this crime was not premeditated how can someone be so lucky as to not leave any evidence of a 6 hour drive as in having to stop for gas somewhere along the way, LE canvassed the gas stations yet apparently no one remembers him, no credit card charge for gas etc. If there was any evidence he left that motel he would be sitting in jail awaiting trial. NO ONE is that lucky! [/*]

Most gas stations are self serve and pay at the pump. There are stations that have pumps that accept cash. If he checked it out ahead of time, he would have known where those were. I doubt that those attending those stations late at night pay attention to every car and driver that comes in.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Anything other than what to call Michelle's sister would suit me. :)

Maybe the murder weapon? I don't think it was a maglite. Any ideas about what it could have been? [/*]I don't think it was either.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by JD1974



I agree and that brings me back to the point that if like I believe this crime was not premeditated how can someone be so lucky as to not leave any evidence of a 6 hour drive as in having to stop for gas somewhere along the way, LE canvassed the gas stations yet apparently no one remembers him, no credit card charge for gas etc. If there was any evidence he left that motel he would be sitting in jail awaiting trial. NO ONE is that lucky! [/*]Absolutely agree.

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I'm not sure that it's a given that he wasn't seen. I don't think we know everything that LE has. Even if someone thought they saw him, that's still not the best evidence. Eyewitness testimonies are some of the most unreliable. IMO [/*]


With all the other supposed evidence on Jason an eyewitness that places him outside of his motel would place him in jail. If you really believe someone seen him plus all the other CE that some posters believe there is, then they have all the pieces of the puzzle, what else could they possibly need?? We even have an eyewitness that blows his alibi apart, no way would he be walking around right now?

If all of this is true, the supposed CE and an eyewitness that takes care of his alibi, LE isn't looking for one last piece of the puzzle to solve this crime like some have said they are wanting the puzzle glued, framed and hung on the wall before they will arrest him. I just can't believe with all this evidence he would still be walking around as a free man.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
I also think it is wrong to say the killer or killers, whoever it is, moved on.

How could anyone pick up the pieces and move on after killing someone like this?


Kat [/*]Think Jeffrey MacDonald.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by JD1974



With all the other supposed evidence on Jason an eyewitness that places him outside of his motel would place him in jail. If you really believe someone seen him plus all the other CE that some posters believe there is, then they have all the pieces of the puzzle, what else could they possibly need?? We even have an eyewitness that blows his alibi apart, no way would he be walking around right now?

If all of this is true, the supposed CE and an eyewitness that takes care of his alibi, LE isn't looking for one last piece of the puzzle to solve this crime like some have said they are wanting the puzzle glued, framed and hung on the wall before they will arrest him. I just can't believe with all this evidence he would still be walking around as a free man. [/*]:beer:

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[JD1974]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Most gas stations are self serve and pay at the pump. There are stations that have pumps that accept cash. If he checked it out ahead of time, he would have known where those were. I doubt that those attending those stations late at night pay attention to every car and driver that comes in. [/*]


Cameras never lie and they are never mistaken.


ETA Also the pay at the pump you need a credit card, if by chance there was one that accepted cash there would be a camera, if not, there is a credit card hit that places him outside of the motel.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JD1974



With all the other supposed evidence on Jason an eyewitness that places him outside of his motel would place him in jail. If you really believe someone seen him plus all the other CE that some posters believe there is, then they have all the pieces of the puzzle, what else could they possibly need?? We even have an eyewitness that blows his alibi apart, no way would he be walking around right now?

If all of this is true, the supposed CE and an eyewitness that takes care of his alibi, LE isn't looking for one last piece of the puzzle to solve this crime like some have said they are wanting the puzzle glued, framed and hung on the wall before they will arrest him. I just can't believe with all this evidence he would still be walking around as a free man. [/*]

There were quite a few eyewitnesses that supposedly saw Laci walking her dog after she was dead. There were so many that she couldn't have possibly been in all of those places during the short time period that they supposedly saw her. Like I said, eyewitness testimony is often very unreliable.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by JD1974



Hope this won't double post but I was looking around my house and thinking about it, I couldn't read the autopsy reports, so all I know is some of the wounds had a cresent shape to them that is if I am remembering correctly. So looking around I would guess maybe a small hammer type object or maybe the bottom of a small table top lamp, like the kind I have in my bedroom on the night stand.


Sorry didnt realize typing ham mer would bring the little icon on, but I am sure you got the point I was making.


ETA about the ham mer, if the killer came through the garage...most people I know keep their tools like ham mers in there. [/*]



I can't type h a m m e r without getting the icon?

Could it have been some type of a h a m m e r?
Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JD1974



Cameras never lie and they are never mistaken.


ETA Also the pay at the pump you need a credit card, if by chance there was one that accepted cash there would be a camera, if not, there is a credit card hit that places him outside of the motel. [/*]

You can get gift credit cards that do not have a name or account associated with them. They just have a set amount of money on them. And contrary to popular belief, cameras are not everywhere.....yet.

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Barbara2


There were quite a few eyewitnesses that supposedly saw Laci walking her dog after she was dead. There were so many that she couldn't have possibly been in all of those places during the short time period that they supposedly saw her. Like I said, eyewitness testimony is often very unreliable. [/*]


When Laci disappeared it was national news, of course people seen her walking around because they WANTED to. Yet no reports of anyone seeing Jason anywhere, I am sure there are plenty of people who think he is guilty and just wish they could say they had seen him outside of his motel room.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Okay, but listen.

The lamp had to be light enouh to swing it about 30 times, but heavy enough to do all the damage that was done to Michelle.

Tire iron?
Bat?


Kat [/*]Who keeps a tire iron in their bedroom?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JD1974



When Laci disappeared it was national news, of course people seen her walking around because they WANTED to. Yet no reports of anyone seeing Jason anywhere, I am sure there are plenty of people who think he is guilty and just wish they could say they had seen him outside of his motel room. [/*]

There have really been no reports at all about this case. I have no idea what the difference is. I take that back. Laci was a missing person so a lot of people wanted to be helpful and find her. That's the difference. IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Most gas stations are self serve and pay at the pump. There are stations that have pumps that accept cash. If he checked it out ahead of time, he would have known where those were. I doubt that those attending those stations late at night pay attention to every car and driver that comes in. [/*]

No videos?
No camera?
No surveillance?
No security guard?

Kat

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Barbara2


You can get gift credit cards that do not have a name or account associated with them. They just have a set amount of money on them. And contrary to popular belief, cameras are not everywhere.....yet. [/*]


Like I said Jason was one lucky man, he found a gas station that happened to not have cameras, got gas in the middle of the night and the clerk never even looked at him and used a gift card to purchase the gas, he should play the lottery.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


No videos?
No camera?
No surveillance?
No security guard?

Kat [/*]

Not at the gas stations I go to.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego
Who keeps a tire iron in their bedroom? [/*]

I don't know.
Killer could have found it in the garage , using it to just scare her, never meaning to use it to kill her.

Kat

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles




I can't type h a m m e r without getting the icon?

Could it have been some type of a h a m m e r?
Kat [/*]


I had that problem too.... It could of been, they make a cresent shape when you hit a nail wrong, ask my walls!

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego
I don't think it was either. [/*]

What do you think the murder weapon was?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JD1974



Like I said Jason was one lucky man, he found a gas station that happened to not have cameras, got gas in the middle of the night and the clerk never even looked at him and used a gift card to purchase the gas, he should play the lottery. [/*]

How lucky was OJ? He was seen but his eyewitness decided to try and sell her story so she was discredited. He literally got away with murder. Unfortunately that's the ugly side of life. It's not always fair. :(

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego
Think Jeffrey MacDonald. [/*]


Some people thought OJ planned to kill Nicole.

Today makes 14 years since the murder.

RIP Nicole and Ron.

:rose:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Barbara2


How lucky was OJ? He was seen but his eyewitness decided to try and sell her story so she was discredited. He literally got away with murder. Unfortunately that's the ugly side of life. It's not always fair. :( [/*]



She was also discredited because she was not credible.

A few months earlier the same witness sold her story to the tabloids saying she was involved with a soap opera star.

The defense would have tore her to shreds.

Oops, off topic.

Getting back on>>>>>

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by JD1974



I had that problem too.... It could of been, they make a cresent shape when you hit a nail wrong, ask my walls! [/*]

Weird, I guess I never typed h~a~m~m~er on here before.



Kat

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Barbara2


How lucky was OJ? He was seen but his eyewitness decided to try and sell her story so she was discredited. He literally got away with murder. Unfortunately that's the ugly side of life. It's not always fair. :( [/*]


OJ wasn't very lucky, he had lots of evidence against him, was arrested and brought to trial. I am talking about enough evidence just to arrest Jason, they apparently don't even have that. The only luck OJ had was that the prosecutors dropped the ball.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JD1974



OJ wasn't very lucky, he had lots of evidence against him, was arrested and brought to trial. I am talking about enough evidence just to arrest Jason, they apparently don't even have that. The only luck OJ had was that the prosecutors dropped the ball. [/*]

If they arrest him, he becomes a defendant and they have to share what they have with his defense attorney. He's not going anywhere so I'm not sure the prosecution wants to give away what they have just yet. I can't say for sure since I'm not privvy, but that's my guess.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by JD1974



OJ wasn't very lucky, he had lots of evidence against him, was arrested and brought to trial. I am talking about enough evidence just to arrest Jason, they apparently don't even have that. The only luck OJ had was that the prosecutors dropped the ball. [/*]

,,,,,,,,and, the Dream Team.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Not at the gas stations I go to. [/*]

Maybe it is just the bigger cities, but everything in Philly and especially A C are on tape.

If you go into an elevator in AC, you are on camera.

Kat

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Maybe it is just the bigger cities, but everything in Philly and especially A C are on tape.

If you go into an elevator in AC, you are on camera.

Kat [/*]


Any gas station that aceepts cash at the pump would be stupid not to have cameras installed, for the same reasons atm's have them...some people are dumb enough to try to steal money out of them. No one is going to leave a gas station unmanned in the middle of the night with cash sitting in the pump and not have cameras.

ETA Especially when gas prices are high and they were in 06 there are too many drive offs nowadays for gas stations not to have cameras, even when they have attendants.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Maybe it is just the bigger cities, but everything in Philly and especially A C are on tape.

If you go into an elevator in AC, you are on camera.

Kat [/*]

That's understandable, but the outlying areas of NC and VA are NOT Atlantic City. Las Vegas has had metal detectors in their high schools for years but we still don't have them in our high school...yet. Gambling cities are not good for comparison, IMO.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JD1974



Any gas station that aceepts cash at the pump would be stupid not to have cameras installed, for the same reasons atm's have them...some people are dumb enough to try to steal money out of them. No one is going to leave a gas station unmanned in the middle of the night with cash sitting in the pump and not have cameras. [/*]

ATMs don't have attendants. Gas stations do.

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Barbara2


ATMs don't have attendants. Gas stations do. [/*]

I didn't say ATM's have attendants? I said gas stations with the pay at the pumps have cameras JUST LIKE ATM'S especially ones you can pay cash at because there is always some dumb one that thinks they can get away with robbing them.

[JD1974]

Originally posted by JD1974


I didn't say ATM's have attendants? I said gas stations with the pay at the pumps have cameras JUST LIKE ATM'S especially ones you can pay cash at because there is always some dumb one that thinks they can get away with robbing them. [/*]

Plus people today love to steal credit cards, with gas prices like they are you use the pay at the pump and you are using someone else's card you will be on camera just like if you try to use someone else's card at the ATM.

[JD1974]

I live in very rural Indiana, we have 1 yes only 1 gas station here in my town, even he has cameras and it is full service with no pay at the pump, cash only.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JD1974


Plus people today love to steal credit cards, with gas prices like they are you use the pay at the pump and you are using someone else's card you will be on camera just like if you try to use someone else's card at the ATM. [/*]

I'm not sure where you live but cameras at gas stations have not made their way here yet. I can't say if they have made their way to rural areas of NC and VA or not. I'm sure LE knows. I'm sure they don't care if we know or not but it is an interesting point of discussion.

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I'm not sure where you live but cameras at gas stations have not made their way here yet. I can't say if they have made their way to rural areas of NC and VA or not. I'm sure LE knows. I'm sure they don't care if we know or not but it is an interesting point of discussion. [/*]


Barbara this may sound odd and may get you a few odd looks but ask about cameras at gas stations, you can't see any of them at the gas stations near me and the only way I even know they exist is because I was there when a drive off occured and overheard LE talking to the attendant. If I wouldn't have been there, I would of never known they even had cameras.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JD1974



Barbara this may sound odd and may get you a few odd looks but ask about cameras at gas stations, you can't see any of them at the gas stations near me and the only way I even know they exist is because I was there when a drive off occured and overheard LE talking to the attendant. If I wouldn't have been there, I would of never known they even had cameras. [/*]

It doesn't really matter. Unless you know for a fact that they have them at every station in rural NC and VA, you can't say that he would have been caught on camera.

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Barbara2


It doesn't really matter. Unless you know for a fact that they have them at every station in rural NC and VA, you can't say that he would have been caught on camera. [/*]


Well I would think a computer search of gas stations in rural NC and VA on Jason's computer would look pretty suspicious, not to mention if he actually asked the clerk about them. So it goes back to him being incredibly lucky to stop at one that didn't have cameras. Like I said maybe he should of just played the lottery, he would of gotten a lot more than 1 mill. then he could afford child support for 2 kids, also could of eliminated that pesky suspicion that he murdered his wife.

Take all the incredible luck that he has had and put it into perspective.....

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JD1974



Well I would think a computer search of gas stations in rural NC and VA on Jason's computer would look pretty suspicious, not to mention if he actually asked the clerk about them. So it goes back to him being incredibly lucky to stop at one that didn't have cameras. Like I said maybe he should of just played the lottery, he would of gotten a lot more than 1 mill. then he could afford child support for 2 kids, also could of eliminated that pesky suspicion that he murdered his wife.

Take all the incredible luck that he has had and put it into perspective..... [/*]

Maybe, maybe not. LE has all the info and for some reason, as recently as February, they were still investigating Jason's habitats. Maybe he isn't so lucky after all.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Maybe it is just the bigger cities, but everything in Philly and especially A C are on tape.

If you go into an elevator in AC, you are on camera.

Kat [/*]

More importantly, the IRS requires salesmen to keep detailed records of mileage and gas purchases. An extra "roundtrip" to Raleigh would be reflected in his odometer reading.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by JD1974



Barbara this may sound odd and may get you a few odd looks but ask about cameras at gas stations, you can't see any of them at the gas stations near me and the only way I even know they exist is because I was there when a drive off occured and overheard LE talking to the attendant. If I wouldn't have been there, I would of never known they even had cameras. [/*]

I think a station's insurance carrier would require some type of video security system.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Maybe it is just the bigger cities, but everything in Philly and especially A C are on tape.

If you go into an elevator in AC, you are on camera.

Kat [/*]

Pretty much true everywhere.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


I think a station's insurance carrier would require some type of video security system. [/*]

You can think that but you don't know that, right?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Barbara2


You can think that but you don't know that, right? [/*]

The reason I think it is because I know it is true.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


The reason I think it is because I know it is true. [/*]

Do you have proof or some link? TIA

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by june1943


You think the same person that couldn't strangle someone because of the look in the eyes could stand there and beat the teeth right out of their mouth? I see no logic in that. I think the strangulation didn't work because the person was not strong enough to get the job done. I think that person grabbed something and beat Michelle with an uncontrollable rage. [/*]

When you beat someone in the back of the head you aren't looking into their eyes with your hands around their neck, right?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Do you have proof or some link? TIA [/*]

Proof that insurance rates are lower for property that is monitored with security systems? No, I don't have proof. Feel free to consider it a rumor. :rolleyes:

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I think there was some element of planning in the murder of Michelle Fisher Young and her baby boy. JMO [/*]


I agree. I think whoever murdered Michelle and baby boy waited until the Grey's Anatomy guest had left the house.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by june1943


Barbara her teeth where knocked out. They aren't in the back of her head. The left side of her head had a skull fracture that was probably done from the front. The autopsy report said there was no underlying damage done in the back of the head. The worse beating was from the front. [/*]


A beating from the front (face to face) would appear to be "up close and personal" don't you agree?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints



A beating from the front (face to face) would appear to be "up close and personal" don't you agree? [/*]

I believe that is her point.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by annalyzer I believe that is her point. [/*]Regardless, I believe the murderer's attempt was to make a "point" -- don't you agree? He/she succeeded in the attempt to make a point which resulted in not one death, but two.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Barbara2 Maybe, maybe not._ LE has all the info and for some reason, as recently as February, they were still investigating Jason's habitats._ Maybe he isn't so lucky after all. [/*]I was just thinking about how "unlucky" I believe Jason is and, once again, begun to wonder why the investigation has taken so long._ My memory refreshed several tidbits about this case had me reflecting upon the ritual NFL events shared between the couple and their mutual friends, including Cassidy having once been costumed as a cheerleader. While reading the "Sports" forum here (which I often do), there's a new thread about David Jacobs' death ruled as a suicide._ Jacob was a steriods dealer._ The article is interesting, as well as the videotape of Jacobs.Being in the pharmaceutical business, do you think Jason might have been "pushing" steriods? This may be one of the reasons the investigation is continuing.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by JD1974



Cameras never lie and they are never mistaken.


ETA Also the pay at the pump you need a credit card, if by chance there was one that accepted cash there would be a camera, if not, there is a credit card hit that places him outside of the motel. [/*]

"Maybe" he used one of those VISA Gift Cards to purchase gas. It may sound far fetched, but it is a possibility. That would definitley eliminate a paper trail. You can buy one and put anyones name on it.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Maybe it is just the bigger cities, but everything in Philly and especially A C are on tape.

If you go into an elevator in AC, you are on camera.

Kat [/*]

That is pretty amazing. I thought DC would have more security going on than Philly and I know they don't have cameras in every elevator. Many of the gas stations do have cameras but not all of them do.

There are cameras on several street corners in the more "seedy" areas of town but not everywhere.

Do they have tolls on any of the roads Jason would have used?
Those would have a record of some sort but maybe not. It would only record your car tag number if you did not pay the toll and there are ways of getting off the toll road to avoid the toll booths and get back on again.

Just thinking out loud about what places may place Jason away from the hotel when he should not have been.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


More importantly, the IRS requires salesmen to keep detailed records of mileage and gas purchases. An extra "roundtrip" to Raleigh would be reflected in his odometer reading. [/*]

Yes, they do require you to keep track of mileage for business trips you claim. They do not require any reocrds for personal mileage. IRS would have no way of knowing if he added an round trip as he would not have included that portion in his records. He would have subtracted that portion out of his reported mileage for that trip. IMO

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by june1943


Just when you think you have heard it all another story comes along. Some people just like to start rumors or tell fibs. I was reading today where I am over on another part of IS declaring someone else Innocent. I was so convinced I went and looked ,no I wasn't there just someone telling yet another fib. I wonder if you even know what a pharmaceutical rep is? Where would he be pushing the steroids to ,hospitals? The simple truth about why the investigation is continuing is LE doesn't know who killed Michelle. LE is just like you they have tried every way they can to make Jason guilty but they just can't find any evidence. Meanwhile back at the ranch the guilty party is laughing their butt off at LE. It's true I've seen the pictures. [/*]

June, the poster in no way, shape or form posted a rumor. She posted a thought she had about a possibilty. She even posed it as a question.
You have twisted that post somehow into she has started a rumor. No, she has not.
Do you have a link to "the simple truth" that LE is taking so long is because LE doesn't know who killed Jason?
They have never stated that so how can it be a truth? It is an ongoing investigation with LE still working aspects of the case. That is all it is. We have no idea what LE knows or does not know as they have released very little information to the public.

IMO

[JD1974]

Originally posted by oakayfine


"Maybe" he used one of those VISA Gift Cards to purchase gas. It may sound far fetched, but it is a possibility. That would definitley eliminate a paper trail. You can buy one and put anyones name on it. [/*]


I thought about that too, but then you have to think about an attendant and or a camera being there also. Even if he used a pre-paid card the odds of someone seeing him and recognizing him are about medium. Especially in rural areas where if there is no attendant I personally find it hard to believe there are no cameras.

[JD1974]

Originally posted by oakayfine


June, the poster in no way, shape or form posted a rumor. She posted a thought she had about a possibilty. She even posed it as a question.
You have twisted that post somehow into she has started a rumor. No, she has not.
Do you have a link to "the simple truth" that LE is taking so long is because LE doesn't know who killed Jason?
They have never stated that so how can it be a truth? It is an ongoing investigation with LE still working aspects of the case. That is all it is. We have no idea what LE knows or does not know as they have released very little information to the public.

IMO [/*]


I don't think LE knows who killed Michelle, I think they have an idea but no evidence. No evidence means you aren't guilty and can't be arrested, gut feelings don't count in a court of law.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by JD1974



I don't think LE knows who killed Michelle, I think they have an idea but no evidence. No evidence means you aren't guilty and can't be arrested, gut feelings don't count in a court of law. [/*]Absolutely. How could LE 'know' who killed Michelle if they don't have the evidence to prove it. And since the case remains 'unsolved', it's obvious they don't 'know' who murdered Michelle.

Sheriff Donnie said there was a lot of evidence at the crime scene sent to the FBI, CCBI and private labs. And after a year and a half, none that evidence conclusively shows Jason to be the killer.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


I don't know.
Killer could have found it in the garage , using it to just scare her, never meaning to use it to kill her.

Kat [/*]I can't wrap my mind around that senario. Why threaten with a weapon then drop it and attempt a strangulation?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


What do you think the murder weapon was? [/*]Maybe a crescent wrench

http://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=138355

:shrug:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
I just got some information on why LF paid for Michelle`s funeral. I will state now I have NO link .
I was told that Michelle had a small life insurance policy with her mother as the beneficiary and Jason had the same with his mother made the beneficiary. These were to be used for their burial.If something happen to Jason MS. Young would have done the same. Sounds like Michelle and Jason were very wise and was planning for "C" in case of their death. MOO since I have no link.. [/*]That is interesting, if true. And if true, the ones complaining that Jason hasn't paid LF back for the funeral can eat crow :D

[alter ego]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

Great link,I have book marked it. TY. This could very well be the weapon used and should have been recognized easily.That would also explain why so many wounds. I can see where it would take multiple hits to make sure she was dead. [/*]
Here is a case from Dublin wherein the murder weapon of blunt force trauma to the head was a post from the wood deck :eek:

http://tinyurl.com/5llumh

[alter ego]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
AE,I can say it come from a very reliable source. [/*]What your source is claiming is similar to early postings in the case wherein it was said that 3 mos before the murder, Jason got an ins policy and named his mom beneficiary to match the one Michelle had naming her mom beneficiary. This small policy was touted as the ins purchased shortly before the murder and of course was proclaimed to be the $1m policy.

:shrug:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints
I was just thinking about how "unlucky" I believe Jason is and, once again, begun to wonder why the investigation has taken so long._ My memory refreshed several tidbits about this case had me reflecting upon the ritual NFL events shared between the couple and their mutual friends, including Cassidy having once been costumed as a cheerleader. While reading the "Sports" forum here (which I often do), there's a new thread about David Jacobs' death ruled as a suicide._ Jacob was a steriods dealer._ The article is interesting, as well as the videotape of Jacobs.Being in the pharmaceutical business, do you think Jason might have been "pushing" steriods? This may be one of the reasons the investigation is continuing. [/*]

Lol, they were more interested in college sports, not pro...
At least , the weekend of their homecoming game from NC.
They were Wolf Pack fans.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by oakayfine


That is pretty amazing. I thought DC would have more security going on than Philly and I know they don't have cameras in every elevator. Many of the gas stations do have cameras but not all of them do.

There are cameras on several street corners in the more "seedy" areas of town but not everywhere.

Do they have tolls on any of the roads Jason would have used?
Those would have a record of some sort but maybe not. It would only record your car tag number if you did not pay the toll and there are ways of getting off the toll road to avoid the toll booths and get back on again.

Just thinking out loud about what places may place Jason away from the hotel when he should not have been. [/*]


I can not even think of a place in Philly or Atlantic City that does not have cameras or videos.

Banks
Gas Stations
Fitness Centers
Dunkin Donuts
Hotels
Toll Bridges
Walmarts, Targets, etc.
Conveniece Stores
Department Stores
Some intersections

We just had an officer killed at a Dunkin Donuts, and not only was the crime on tape, but the entire parking lot and a surrounding street where the suspect fled.

Surveillance is everywhere now.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by oakayfine


Yes, they do require you to keep track of mileage for business trips you claim. They do not require any reocrds for personal mileage. IRS would have no way of knowing if he added an round trip as he would not have included that portion in his records. He would have subtracted that portion out of his reported mileage for that trip. IMO [/*]

I am glad you mentioned this.
There was a receipt from a Precision Tune body shop, on the s/w.
I would imagine that this had the mileage of the car, so, if a oil change or any other maintenance was done, there would be a record of it.
If Jason's car was used for business, he needed all those receipts for his employer and tax purposes.
I hope he kept good records.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
AE,I can say it come from a very reliable source. [/*]


Thanx, Hi~C.

I know the rumors of anything to make Jason look bad still exist, and anything to make Jason look guilty are still going around.

The circumstances surrounding the funeral home and the arrangements probably happened so quickly and without a chance for everyone to sit down and discuss what they wanted.

The most important thing was to get Michelle buried and have her friends and family pay tribute to her and say their last goodbyes.

It might have been a misunderstanding, and usually whoever is in charge of the funeral is in charge of the cemetary and grave marker/ headstone.

They could still decide to split the costs, if LF paid for it all, she could still send Jason half the bill.

Who knows, and why is it our business?

I would be more interested in everyone's behavior there, and if anyone saw someone with marks or scratches,

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


I am glad you mentioned this.
There was a receipt from a Precision Tune body shop, on the s/w.
I would imagine that this had the mileage of the car, so, if a oil change or any other maintenance was done, there would be a record of it.
If Jason's car was used for business, he needed all those receipts for his employer and tax purposes.
I hope he kept good records. [/*]In addition, in order to claim the vehicle as a business expense for tax puposes, the business related mileage has to be compared to the personal use mileage. And to do that, mileage records have to be kept.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego

Here is a case from Dublin wherein the murder weapon of blunt force trauma to the head was a post from the wood deck :eek:

http://tinyurl.com/5llumh [/*]


That was really interesting, A/E.

You find some great links.

Thanx.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego
In addition, in order to claim the vehicle as a business expense for tax puposes, the business related mileage has to be compared to the personal use mileage. And to do that, mileage records have to be kept. [/*]


Yep, so if they checked out, then what?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by oakayfine


Yes, they do require you to keep track of mileage for business trips you claim. They do not require any reocrds for personal mileage. IRS would have no way of knowing if he added an round trip as he would not have included that portion in his records. He would have subtracted that portion out of his reported mileage for that trip. IMO [/*]

Business and personal use. If you use your car for both business and personal purposes, you must divide your expenses between business and personal use. You can divide your expense based on the miles driven for each purpose.

...

More than 50% business use requirement. You must use the property more than 50% for business to claim any section 179 deduction. If you used the property more than 50% for business, multiply the cost of the property by the percentage of business use. The result is the cost of the property that can qualify for the section 179 deduction.

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p463/ch04.html#d0e3164

:read:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Yep, so if they checked out, then what? [/*]
:shrug:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by oakayfine


"Maybe" he used one of those VISA Gift Cards to purchase gas. It may sound far fetched, but it is a possibility. That would definitley eliminate a paper trail. You can buy one and put anyones name on it. [/*]Those require activation and there would be computer or phone records for that activation that would in turn lead to the discovery of such by LE.

[Kat4Eagles]

OT.
I was just reading that this weeknd will be a year since the murder of Jenna Nielsen.

So, thats a least 2 big homicide cases they are working on in Raleigh..

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by june1943


Just when you think you have heard it all another story comes along. Some people just like to start rumors or tell fibs. I was reading today where I am over on another part of IS declaring someone else Innocent. I was so convinced I went and looked ,no I wasn't there just someone telling yet another fib. I wonder if you even know what a pharmaceutical rep is? Where would he be pushing the steroids to ,hospitals? The simple truth about why the investigation is continuing is LE doesn't know who killed Michelle. LE is just like you they have tried every way they can to make Jason guilty but they just can't find any evidence. Meanwhile back at the ranch the guilty party is laughing their butt off at LE. It's true I've seen the pictures. [/*]


So then, I would suggest that Jason start talking to the investigators about WHO he thinks might have killed his wife and unborn baby boy, don't you agree? Meanwhile, he continues to remain silent for 20 months.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by june1943 I do indeed. Barbara thought that she wasn't strangled because the person couldn't look at her while they strangled her. I think any one capable of doing what was done to Michelle has no conscience what so ever. The reason the strangulation failed to my opinion is the person wasn't strong enough. [/*]In my opinion (if a strangulation was attempted and failed), I believe Michelle fought off her attacker and that is the reason_ strangulation failed._ She was a former cheerleader, she was very strong and flexible, etc.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles OT.I was just reading that this weeknd will be a year since the murder of Jenna Nielsen.So, thats a least 2 big homicide cases they are working on in Raleigh.. [/*]The STATE Crime Bureau is now working on the investigation of Michelle's murder (no longer the city, Raleigh). Did you read the recent news articles?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints
The STATE Crime Bureau is now working on the investigation of Michelle's murder (no longer the city, Raleigh). Did you read the recent news articles? [/*]Sure did. Do you have a link?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by alter ego Sure did._ Do you have a link? [/*]Please refer to the link thread, above.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by june1943 What difference does it make who he thinks killed his wife LE thinks he did . They aren't going to look at any one else they have proved that already._ They didn't tell him how sorry they were about his wife and baby boy when he got back to Raleigh they treated him like a murderer. Now 19 months later and the case is unsolved and people want to blame Jason for that ,also. Jason is a salesman he isn't LE its their job to solve the case. If Joe blow down the street killed her do you think he is gonna help LE solve the case? [/*]I believe Jason should talk to investigators._ In doing so, people might begin to think he's not guilty._ So far, he's not talking.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints
In my opinion (if a strangulation was attempted and failed), I believe Michelle fought off her attacker and that is the reason_ strangulation failed._ She was a former cheerleader, she was very strong and flexible, etc. [/*]:confused: She hadn't been a cheerleader in over 10 years, and was only a college cheerleader her freshman year. So where are you getting that she was 'strong and flexible'.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by oakayfine


Yes, they do require you to keep track of mileage for business trips you claim. They do not require any reocrds for personal mileage. IRS would have no way of knowing if he added an round trip as he would not have included that portion in his records. He would have subtracted that portion out of his reported mileage for that trip. IMO [/*]

fyi: there is only one odometer on a vehicle. Salesmen are required to keep mileage logs and by golly! the IRS also knows how to subtract.:rolleyes:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by june1943


In the long run what does it matter what people on a message board think? [/*]Exactly. His every word would be picked to pieces, just like every thing else about him.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
OT.
I was just reading that this weeknd will be a year since the murder of Jenna Nielsen.

So, thats a least 2 big homicide cases they are working on in Raleigh.. [/*]

Published: Nov 17, 2006 12:00 AM

Young was the 22nd of 23 people to die violently at the hand of another this year in Wake County. Like five of those homicides, hers remains unsolved.

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/511581.html

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints
I was just thinking about how "unlucky" I believe Jason is and, once again, begun to wonder why the investigation has taken so long._ My memory refreshed several tidbits about this case had me reflecting upon the ritual NFL events shared between the couple and their mutual friends, including Cassidy having once been costumed as a cheerleader. While reading the "Sports" forum here (which I often do), there's a new thread about David Jacobs' death ruled as a suicide._ Jacob was a steriods dealer._ The article is interesting, as well as the videotape of Jacobs.Being in the pharmaceutical business, do you think Jason might have been "pushing" steriods? This may be one of the reasons the investigation is continuing. [/*]

NFL games? Pharmaceutical business?
At the time of Michelle's murder, Jason sold software. They were college football boosters.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints



So then, I would suggest that Jason start talking to the investigators about WHO he thinks might have killed his wife and unborn baby boy, don't you agree? Meanwhile, he continues to remain silent for 20 months. [/*]

19 months.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


NFL games? Pharmaceutical business?
At the time of Michelle's murder, Jason sold software. They were college football boosters. [/*]

You caught that too?

:read:

Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints
Please refer to the link thread, above. [/*]The 'recent news article' about the SBI analyzing the crime scene is from November 2007. :confused:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Where did you find the linK?? I didn`t see one. [/*]



The current link is at WRAL.COM, in today's headlines.

It specifically says Raleigh Police are working on the case, and that there have been 700 people interviewed and over 1000 tips.

Like, I said, that is 2 big unsolved murder cases they got going on.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Where did you find the linK?? I didn`t see one. [/*]The last post in the LINKS thread by Tiny. Her first link is from 11/07, her second link is from 02/08.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles




The current link is at WRAL.COM, in today's headlines.

It specifically says Raleigh Police are working on the case, and that there have been 700 people interviewed and over 1000 tips.

Like, I said, that is 2 big unsolved murder cases they got going on. [/*]See my post upthread. As of 11/06, Michelle's was 23rd homicide and the 6th unsolved murder in 2006 for WSCO.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego
See my post upthread. As of 11/06, Michelle's was 23rd homicide and the 6th unsolved murder in 2006 for WSCO. [/*]

Got it.

Thanx.
Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Got it.

Thanx.
Kat [/*]I wonder if the other cases got as much man power as this case?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943


I don't think Jenna nelson even has a forum. [/*]

That is sad,

Also, it is very sad news to learn that Tim Russert just died.
I am in shock, he was one of my favs.

:(

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943


I don't think Jenna nelson even has a forum. [/*]

I don't know about a forum, but her husband and family created an entire website:

http://justice4jenna.weebly.com/index.html

ETA: BTW, Jenna Nielsen's murder is under the jurisdiction of the Raleigh Police Department, not the WCSO.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/story/1106821.html

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


fyi: there is only one odometer on a vehicle. Salesmen are required to keep mileage logs and by golly! the IRS also knows how to subtract.:rolleyes: [/*]

I'm required to keep a mileage log for business travel in my personal vehicle, but my log isn't required to include the odometer readings, only the the number of miles.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


That is sad,

Also, it is very sad news to learn that Tim Russert just died.
I am in shock, he was one of my favs.

:(

Kat [/*]

Mine too.

:rose: Tim Russert

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Mine too.

:rose: Tim Russert [/*]


Hiya, Card!

Yes, that was a shocker..Tim Russert...:rose:

Looks like nothing is going to happen this weekend, I guess we can re~group and meet back here on Monday....

Maybe someday we will even have real news to talk about.

Kinda curious about this crescent h a m m e r that A/E linked for us.

You think that could be it?

Kat

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Hiya, Card!

Yes, that was a shocker..Tim Russert...:rose:

Looks like nothing is going to happen this weekend, I guess we can re~group and meet back here on Monday....

Maybe someday we will even have real news to talk about.

Kinda curious about this crescent h a m m e r that A/E linked for us.

You think that could be it?

Kat [/*]

If the perp was carrying a h a m m e r then why the strangulation attempt? Put down the h a m m e r , try to strangle, can't do that so pick the h a m m e r back up?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by annalyzer


If the perp was carrying a h a m m e r then why the strangulation attempt? Put down the h a m m e r , try to strangle, can't do that so pick the h a m m e r back up? [/*]

You got me....
Maybe the h a m m e r was just supposed to be a scare tactic, then a fight started, then the attempted strangulation, then the full force use of the
h a m m e r.

:shrug:

Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by annalyzer


If the perp was carrying a h a m m e r then why the strangulation attempt? Put down the h a m m e r , try to strangle, can't do that so pick the h a m m e r back up? [/*]I have a problem with that too but I can't think of a bedroom item that could be picked up and weilded with the force necessary to break a jaw and avulse teeth yet not break bones in hands put up to deflect the blows from the back of the head.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by alter ego
I have a problem with that too but I can't think of a bedroom item that could be picked up and weilded with the force necessary to break a jaw and avulse teeth yet not break bones in hands put up to deflect the blows from the back of the head. [/*]

I think the maglite is the best idea yet. I even have a small one beside my bed for emergencies. A little larger one would do much damage. Heck even my little one could put a hurtin on someone. If someone went there with the intent of strangling then they probably didn't have a weapon with them and would've used something handy.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by annalyzer


I think the maglite is the best idea yet. I even have a small one beside my bed for emergencies. A little larger one would do much damage. Heck even my little one could put a hurtin on someone. If someone went there with the intent of strangling then they probably didn't have a weapon with them and would've used something handy. [/*]


Unless Michelle and Jason kept a small h a m m e r by their bed, or maybe she was in the middle of hanging something on a wall?

I don't know.
I got nothing.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego
I have a problem with that too but I can't think of a bedroom item that could be picked up and weilded with the force necessary to break a jaw and avulse teeth yet not break bones in hands put up to deflect the blows from the back of the head. [/*]


2 different weapons could= 2 killers.

Gojo's theory.

I miss his posts.

:(

Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by annalyzer


I think the maglite is the best idea yet. I even have a small one beside my bed for emergencies. A little larger one would do much damage. Heck even my little one could put a hurtin on someone. If someone went there with the intent of strangling then they probably didn't have a weapon with them and would've used something handy. [/*]But a maglight that would leave only a 1" crescent on her arm isn't very big. :shrug:

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by alter ego
But a maglight that would leave only a 1" crescent on her arm isn't very big. :shrug: [/*]

Someone posted a link the other day that showed even the larger maglites only had a head diameter of one to two inches. My little maglite is heavy for it's size and made of metal. Believe me if I hit someone with it it will do a lot of damage.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Someone posted a link the other day that showed even the larger maglites only had a head diameter of one to two inches. My little maglite is heavy for it's size and made of metal. Believe me if I hit someone with it it will do a lot of damage. [/*]I head diameter of 1 - 2 inches would leave a bigger crescent than 1", wouldn't it?

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


fyi: there is only one odometer on a vehicle. Salesmen are required to keep mileage logs and by golly! the IRS also knows how to subtract.:rolleyes: [/*]

I understand IRS knows how to subtract, we'd all be in a heap of trouble if they did not. They do probably rely more on computers and calculators these days though. I am also more than aware that vehicles have only 1 odometer.

Mileage Logs are required by IRS for "Business Miles", not personal miles. The IRS really doesn't care how many personal miles you put on your car and I hope I never see the day that they would.

Jason would theoretically log the miles of this particular business trip less the extra round trip to Raleigh. He would be in total compliance with IRS regulations as well as his employer's requirements.

IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by oakayfine


I understand IRS knows how to subtract, we'd all be in a heap of trouble if they did not. They do probably rely more on computers and calculators these days though. I am also more than aware that vehicles have only 1 odometer.

Mileage Logs are required by IRS for "Business Miles", not personal miles. The IRS really doesn't care how many personal miles you put on your car and I hope I never see the day that they would.

Jason would theoretically log the miles of this particular business trip less the extra round trip to Raleigh. He would be in total compliance with IRS regulations as well as his employer's requirements.

IMO [/*]

What extra round trip to Raleigh?


Kat

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



I can not even think of a place in Philly or Atlantic City that does not have cameras or videos.

Banks
Gas Stations
Fitness Centers
Dunkin Donuts
Hotels
Toll Bridges
Walmarts, Targets, etc.
Conveniece Stores
Department Stores
Some intersections

We just had an officer killed at a Dunkin Donuts, and not only was the crime on tape, but the entire parking lot and a surrounding street where the suspect fled.

Surveillance is everywhere now. [/*]

Are you saying that EVERY gas station in Philly has a surveillance camera? Banks, "larger" dept. stores, and most convenience stores is a little more believable.
There are plenty of "Ma & Pa type convenience stores in the DC , MD and VA areas that do not have surveillance cameras due to the simple fact that they can not afford them. The same would go for the smaller "family owned" gas stations.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


What extra round trip to Raleigh?


Kat [/*]

This conversation originated with the supposed "extra round trip to Raleigh" and what a lucky guy he was if he has gotten away with commiting this murder. It's in the thread. Have you not read it? It's all hypothetical.

Hope this helps.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by oakayfine


I understand IRS knows how to subtract, we'd all be in a heap of trouble if they did not. They do probably rely more on computers and calculators these days though. I am also more than aware that vehicles have only 1 odometer.

Mileage Logs are required by IRS for "Business Miles", not personal miles. The IRS really doesn't care how many personal miles you put on your car and I hope I never see the day that they would.

Jason would theoretically log the miles of this particular business trip less the extra round trip to Raleigh. He would be in total compliance with IRS regulations as well as his employer's requirements.

IMO [/*]IRS most certainly does care about personal miles as it is used to determine % of personal vs business use :read:

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by alter ego
IRS most certainly does care about personal miles as it is used to determine % of personal vs business use :read: [/*]

Yes, but not the times and date of those personal miles. Personal miles driven per year + business miles driven per year would equal total miles driven per year. Thus the % of miles is computed based of of those totals. The actual records kept are required for business use only.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by oakayfine


Yes, but not the times and date of those personal miles. Personal miles driven per year + business miles driven per year would equal total miles driven per year. Thus the % of miles is computed based of of those totals. The actual records kept are required for business use only. [/*]Right, because the IRS does care about personal mileage.

And in cases where there is personal use of a company vehicle, they care a lot about those personal miles cuz they want to tax them as income.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by alter ego
Right, because the IRS does care about personal mileage.

And in cases where there is personal use of a company vehicle, they care a lot about those personal miles cuz they want to tax them as income. [/*]

I will agree in those cases of personal use of a company vehicle. In this case, though, there was no company vehicle involved. It was Jason's personal vehicle.
He would have had to keep the following only -

"To claim the deduction, keep complete and accurate mileage records for each business use of your car. If you are unable to produce a clear record, the IRS may disallow the deduction. "

Note the words "each business use". It says nothing of personal use.

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=105708,00.html

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by oakayfine


I understand IRS knows how to subtract, we'd all be in a heap of trouble if they did not. They do probably rely more on computers and calculators these days though. I am also more than aware that vehicles have only 1 odometer.

Mileage Logs are required by IRS for "Business Miles", not personal miles. The IRS really doesn't care how many personal miles you put on your car and I hope I never see the day that they would.

Jason would theoretically log the miles of this particular business trip less the extra round trip to Raleigh. He would be in total compliance with IRS regulations as well as his employer's requirements.

IMO [/*]



The cops also know how to read odometers, they had his records and his car. Nearly 20 months later and no arrest is an indication there was no "extra" round trip to Raleigh.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by oakayfine


I will agree in those cases of personal use of a company vehicle. In this case, though, there was no company vehicle involved. It was Jason's personal vehicle.
He would have had to keep the following only -

"To claim the deduction, keep complete and accurate mileage records for each business use of your car. If you are unable to produce a clear record, the IRS may disallow the deduction. "

Note the words "each business use". It says nothing of personal use.

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=105708,00.html [/*]

We don't know his employer's policy for reimbursement to him for the use of his personal car and what records his employer required him to keep.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


We don't know his employer's policy for reimbursement to him for the use of his personal car and what records his employer required him to keep. [/*]

So, what is your point? We were speaking about IRS regulations, not his work requirements.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by MandyMutton




The cops also know how to read odometers, they had his records and his car. Nearly 20 months later and no arrest is an indication there was no "extra" round trip to Raleigh. [/*]

I don;t believe LE had the beginning odometer reading for his business trip. They would have no way of knowing that information.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by oakayfine


I will agree in those cases of personal use of a company vehicle. In this case, though, there was no company vehicle involved. It was Jason's personal vehicle.
He would have had to keep the following only -

"To claim the deduction, keep complete and accurate mileage records for each business use of your car. If you are unable to produce a clear record, the IRS may disallow the deduction. "

Note the words "each business use". It says nothing of personal use.

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=105708,00.html [/*]I was just going back to your statement that the IRS doesn't care about personal mileage, which isn't exactly accurate.

You do think 'complete and accurate mileage' includes the odometer of the vehicle at the beginning and end of each trip?

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by zed


I vaguely recall reading that there was an oil change shortly before the murder and that the odometer reading was taken at the time. [/*]

That still would not prove anything unless the mileage calculations would have ruled a 'speculated" round trip out due to not enough miles being on the car. If that were the case, then the cops would have cleared him a long time ago. There is something that is just not adding up (no pun intended) that would keep the cops so interested in Jason. I have no clue what it is but they have not moved on.

JMO

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by oakayfine


So, what is your point? We were speaking about IRS regulations, not his work requirements. [/*]

You argue just to argue which is why YOU don't know the point.

:no:

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by alter ego
I was just going back to your statement that the IRS doesn't care about personal mileage, which isn't exactly accurate.

You do think 'complete and accurate mileage' includes the odometer of the vehicle at the beginning and end of each trip? [/*]

I will correct my original posting to state that IRS does not care about personal mileage on a personal vehicle. A company vehicle would be much different and I believe the company would be much more concerned about that mileage, not the IRS.
Company Vehicles are not required to keep logs of business miles as they are considered "company vehicles" unless they are provided to the employee for personal use as well as company use. The same rules would apply as far as record keeping for those vehicles as the vehicles themselves are reported by the employer as "other income" for IRS purposes and taxed as such.

Yes, I do think "complete and accurate mileage" would include the odometer readings at the beginning and ending of each trip. This would lead back to my original statement that he "could" have subtracted the mileage off those odometer readings so that those odometer readings would coincide with the mileage claimed.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by oakayfine


That still would not prove anything unless the mileage calculations would have ruled a 'speculated" round trip out due to not enough miles being on the car. If that were the case, then the cops would have cleared him a long time ago. There is something that is just not adding up (no pun intended) that would keep the cops so interested in Jason. I have no clue what it is but they have not moved on.

JMO [/*]

They have also not arrested him.


Kat

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


You argue just to argue which is why YOU don't know the point.

:no: [/*]

Pardon Me? I am asking you to clarify your point I don't see that as arguing at all. Please explain to me so that I can know YOUR point.

Thanks.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


They have also not arrested him.


Kat [/*]

Thus my last statement. I know no why. But something is holding this up. Any ideas as to what it might be?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


True. If it is true that there was an oil change (I think that was rumor from someone close to Jason) and the odometer reading was taken, then if his vehicle mileage was really low he would have been ruled out. I doubt that Jason has ever clarified the route he took November 2 and 3, so perhaps the police have their hands tied in terms of using mileage as an indication of anything. [/*]

No, LE doesn't have their hands tied. LE have all his receipts, they confiscated his laptop, they confiscated his vehicle. His employer has cooperated. What else do they need after nearly 20 months?

No need to rule Jason out. They never named him a suspect.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by oakayfine


Thus my last statement. I know no why. But something is holding this up. Any ideas as to what it might be? [/*]


Yeah, but it's just one little thing.

Jason is Innocent.

Kat

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


If the police don't know the route that Jason took after leaving his house on Nov 2, then knowing mileage is irrelevant as there's nothing to compare it to. If the mileage on the vehicle was too low to permit round trips back home after arriving at the hotel, then presumable Jason would have been ruled out. If Jason knew that the mileage on his vehicle could prove his innocence, I'm confident his lawyer would have presented that information to the police. As it stands, Jason hasn't been ruled out, so I'm assuming that the mileage doesn't help him. [/*]

Your logic is flawed, imo.

Why would they rule Jason out when they never ruled him in?

:shrug:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by zed


If the police don't know the route that Jason took after leaving his house on Nov 2, then knowing mileage is irrelevant as there's nothing to compare it to. If the mileage on the vehicle was too low to permit round trips back home after arriving at the hotel, then presumable Jason would have been ruled out. If Jason knew that the mileage on his vehicle could prove his innocence, I'm confident his lawyer would have presented that information to the police. As it stands, Jason hasn't been ruled out, so I'm assuming that the mileage doesn't help him. [/*]

And, he hasn't been officially ruled in, so I guess the mileage
(whatever it was ) didn't hurt him either.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


That's certainly the debate, and there is a good possibility that he is not innocent. The Feb 14 search warrants strongly suggest that the police are still interested in Jason as having had something to do with the murders. [/*]

I'd like to know which Feb. 14 search warrants "strongly suggest the police are still interested in Jason as having had something to do with the murders."

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by zed


That's certainly the debate, and there is a good possibility that he is not innocent. The Feb 14 search warrants strongly suggest that the police are still interested in Jason as having had something to do with the murders. [/*]

They were looking for something, that's for sure.

But those warrants are now 4 months old, to the day.

Maybe as long as Michelle's rings are not accounted for, they have a big problem, huge.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


I'm not sure where you're getting the information that Jason did not have to be ruled out, but I think you may be mistaken. [/*]

I get my information from legal resources. Jason has never been named a suspect or POI. No legal requirement to "rule him out."

[alter ego]

Originally posted by zed


How did you all convince yourselves that Jason didn't have to be ruled out? I'm amused, but I think we all know that the husband has to be ruled out when his wife is murdered. We also know that Jason has yet to be ruled out. [/*]:confused: How did we convince ourselves that Jason didn't have to be ruled out?

We also know that no one has been ruled out.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by zed


If the police don't know the route that Jason took after leaving his house on Nov 2, then knowing mileage is irrelevant as there's nothing to compare it to. If the mileage on the vehicle was too low to permit round trips back home after arriving at the hotel, then presumable Jason would have been ruled out. If Jason knew that the mileage on his vehicle could prove his innocence, I'm confident his lawyer would have presented that information to the police. As it stands, Jason hasn't been ruled out, so I'm assuming that the mileage doesn't help him. [/*]

ITA. His lawyer would have shown this 29 months ago and Jason would not even have had to say a word.
The mileage as it stands alone can not convict him nor does it prove he was even remotely responsible for the murder.
For all any of us know, even if the mileage is high between the alleged oil change and the business trip, he could have actually driven all of those extra miles totally inncoently and as a matter of course with his daily schedules throughout that time.
The only thing the mileage proves at this point is that there is a "possiblity" that an extra round trip "could" have been made. That's all.

I would like to see Jason as innocent but I just don't see everything the same way as several others on this board do. All of those small things add up to a bigger picture for me. Yes, individually, they can all be explained away, but it is difficult to explain it all away when they are all laid out in front of me.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


Sorry, I thought you were following the case and were familiar with the search warrants that were served in Feb. 2008. I don't have time to provide you with links to the facts of the case, but there are several websites containing that information. [/*]

The Feb. 14 search warrants have not been returned so the probable cause is not public record. I'm aware of the content, you apparently are not because you continue to make clueless misrepresentations here.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by oakayfine


ITA. His lawyer would have shown this 29 months ago and Jason would not even have had to say a word.
The mileage as it stands alone can not convict him nor does it prove he was even remotely responsible for the murder.
For all any of us know, even if the mileage is high between the alleged oil change and the business trip, he could have actually driven all of those extra miles totally inncoently and as a matter of course with his daily schedules throughout that time.
The only thing the mileage proves at this point is that there is a "possiblity" that an extra round trip "could" have been made. That's all.

I would like to see Jason as innocent but I just don't see everything the same way as several others on this board do. All of those small things add up to a bigger picture for me. Yes, individually, they can all be explained away, but it is difficult to explain it all away when they are all laid out in front of me. [/*]I beg to differ. If there was mileage unaccounted for that LE could use to bust his alibi, they would do it.

If the individual pieces can be explained away then there is no bigger picture to be made with them. That is how CE works.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


They were looking for something, that's for sure.

But those warrants are now 4 months old, to the day.

Maybe as long as Michelle's rings are not accounted for, they have a big problem, huge. [/*]

I keep seeing these allegations that Michelle's ring(s) are missing. Do you have a link for that? I think it started out as her wedding ring but now I see it is rings(plural) and you are now saying it is a big problem unless they are found. Do you have a link for the ring or rings?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by alter ego
:confused: How did we convince ourselves that Jason didn't have to be ruled out?

We also know that no one has been ruled out. [/*]

Nobody's been ruled in....or out. LOL

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


They were looking for something, that's for sure.

But those warrants are now 4 months old, to the day.

Maybe as long as Michelle's rings are not accounted for, they have a big problem, huge. [/*]

I don't view it as a problem as much as I view it as a way to ensure this is a death penalty case.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by oakayfine


I will correct my original posting to state that IRS does not care about personal mileage on a personal vehicle. A company vehicle would be much different and I believe the company would be much more concerned about that mileage, not the IRS.
Company Vehicles are not required to keep logs of business miles as they are considered "company vehicles" unless they are provided to the employee for personal use as well as company use. The same rules would apply as far as record keeping for those vehicles as the vehicles themselves are reported by the employer as "other income" for IRS purposes and taxed as such.

Yes, I do think "complete and accurate mileage" would include the odometer readings at the beginning and ending of each trip. This would lead back to my original statement that he "could" have subtracted the mileage off those odometer readings so that those odometer readings would coincide with the mileage claimed. [/*]Thank you for recapping what I have been trying to say for several posts.

Sure he 'could' have put incorrect mileage down on a log to mask his actual miles. But since he would have other trips logged, at some point there would be a huge gap.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by alter ego
I beg to differ. If there was mileage unaccounted for that LE could use to bust his alibi, they would do it.

If the individual pieces can be explained away then there is no bigger picture to be made with them. That is how CE works. [/*]

CE is built upon pieces all coming together. It was done in the SP trial as well as OJ's trial. I know some of you still believe SP is innocent but CE is many things that all add up to the sum.
I don't care to argue either case with anyone here as they have their own boards but many times CE plays a much bigger role in proving guilt or innocence than actual eye witness testimony.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by alter ego
Thank you for recapping what I have been trying to say for several posts.

Sure he 'could' have put incorrect mileage down on a log to mask his actual miles. But since he would have other trips logged, at some point there would be a huge gap. [/*]

Not if he is not responsible for personal miles. He does not have to explain those. Where would the gap be? They were for personal use which he does not have to answer to anyone for. I'm not understanding your logic at all.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Nobody's been ruled in....or out. LOL [/*]I was under the assumption LE was still at the 'everyone is being looked at' stage since they said they had not ruled anyone out.

:shrug:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by alter ego
I was under the assumption LE was still at the 'everyone is being looked at' stage since they said they had not ruled anyone out.

:shrug: [/*]

Yeppers, that's what they said.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by oakayfine


Not if he is not responsible for personal miles. He does not have to explain those. Where would the gap be? They were for personal use which he does not have to answer to anyone for. I'm not understanding your logic at all. [/*]Then we are on an even keel cuz I'm not understanding your logic either.

LE made it clear in the various SW that they were reconstructing the events in the months leading up to the murder. They even went so far as to sieze and examine the couple's wedding photos and the Cali vacation. In their investigation, they would, of course, be interested in what was going on the home and marriage of Michelle. As they investigate those closest to the victim, they again examine their movements in the days, weeks, months leading up to the murder.

So, if Jason attempted to mask his actual mileage on the trip he took the night before the murder, LE would have a basis, from their investigation into his movements in the months leading up tot he murder, to determine if there was a gap of unaccounted for mileage.

There is a case where LE did just that, I'll see if I can locate it.

[annalyzer]

This was a horrible murder near where I live. There was never any suspects named and it has been almost 18 months since the murder. Today a suspect was arrested. :patriot:

http://parkersburgsentinel.com/page/content.detail/id/506334.html?nav=5061

I hope one day soon to find out someone has been arrested for the murder of Michelle Young and her baby boy. :rose:

[Barbara2]

I was reading the article that alter ego linked yesterday:

http://tinyurl.com/5llumh

Fascinating case. I did a search on that site for other articles about Rachel O'Reilly and found a lot of similarities to this case. I also found that the porch post was presented as a possibility for the weapon but the actual weapon was never found. The husband was found guilty in that case.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Barbara2
I was reading the article that alter ego linked yesterday:

http://tinyurl.com/5llumh

Fascinating case. I did a search on that site for other articles about Rachel O'Reilly and found a lot of similarities to this case. I also found that the porch post was presented as a possibility for the weapon but the actual weapon was never found. The husband was found guilty in that case. [/*]

Eerie. Did you read any articles that said where the children were during the beating and ultimate death of their mother?

[oakayfine]

That is all well and good but only an assumption on your part. Nowehre does it say that Michelle was paying for her Aunt's trip to Italy. For all we know, it "could" have been that the Aunt was paying for Michelle's trip. Unknown facts but a conclusion drawn by you which could very well be wrong; just as my scenario could very well be wrong. We just don't know and it does not prove whether or not the Youngs were suffereing financially.

My parent's are suffering financially but travel quite extensively all over the world. We (my brother and sisters) pay for those trips for them. Just because they take those trips does not mean they are not personally suffering financially.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Eerie. Did you read any articles that said where the children were during the beating and ultimate death of their mother? [/*]

I'm pretty sure they were at day care/school. I believe Rachel's mother was notified when Rachel did not show up to pick up her son and that's when Rachel's mother went over to the house and found her daughter dead.

[Barbara2]

To me it just looks like more proof that this couple REALLY did not like to spend time together. IMO

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Knew you would make some type of excuse.LMBO
Think she should be "mad" because Jason was going on a trip with his family. I don`t think Michelle was that selfish.Two weeks in NY with her family and planing a trip to Italy with her Aunt.
ETA: You are correct,it is just a assumption that JY was paying for the trip,IMO to make him look bad.Did Linda pay for Michelle`s trip to NY? Maybe they were NOT having financial troubles!!! You think? [/*]

They both had good jobs. I haven't heard of any gambling or money spent on prostitutes by Jason. I don't know why they would be in financial trouble. :shrug:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Knew you would make some type of excuse.LMBO
Think she should be "mad" because Jason was going on a trip with his family. I don`t think Michelle was that selfish.Two weeks in NY with her family and planing a trip to Italy with her Aunt.
ETA: You are correct,it is just a assumption that JY was paying for the trip,IMO to make him look bad.Did Linda pay for Michelle`s trip to NY? Maybe they were NOT having financial troubles!!! You think? [/*]

I don't believe they were having financial trouble. I do think there might be some jealousy of their lifestyle, especially by the only sister. Was Meredith also planning to attend this Italy trip? Would her mother have to pay her way? iirc, Meredith was on eBay selling a new pursue at below cost just a few months after Michelle's murder.

The fact that Michelle intended to cut back her hours after the baby was born is a strong indication they were not suffering serious financial problems. She also wouldn't be planning to cut back hours if she wanted a divorce, imo.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
I don`t think they were and I wonder if Michelle`s aunt wish she could take back this information. Do you think maybe LE was asking leading questions to wittiness a and * so they could put a twist on it and use it against Jason? [/*]

I doubt leading questions were needed. I think the animosity toward Jason was so great, the information was volunteered.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by june1943


I think you are right. There has been so much made about jason not attending the memorials the Fishers plan. Jason would be a fool if he went any where near the Fishers after all the things they have said about him. [/*]

I can't say that I blame him for not wanting himself or his child exposed to such animosity. The campaign they launched to convict Jason on the Internet certainly hasn't made themselves look very stable, imo.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
I wonder if LE were aware that Michelle was planning a trip to Italy with her Aunt,just prior to her murder???? Did witness A and * mention this small thing to LE? I bet not. I bet LE knew noting of the trip till her Aunt spoke of it to the media. [/*]

I can't see Michelle making a trip to Italy either pregnant or with a newborn.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Knew you would make some type of excuse.LMBO
Think she should be "mad" because Jason was going on a trip with his family. I don`t think Michelle was that selfish.Two weeks in NY with her family and planing a trip to Italy with her Aunt.
ETA: You are correct,it is just a assumption that JY was paying for the trip,IMO to make him look bad.Did Linda pay for Michelle`s trip to NY? Maybe they were NOT having financial troubles!!! You think? [/*]

I'm sorry, you lost me in your post. There is no excuse that was made in my post to cause you to LMBO.

I never once stated that Michelle would be mad becuase Jason was going on a trip with his family. Nope, I don't think Michelle was selfish at all. Of course, I did not know her personally, but from everything I have read, I would say she was not selfish.

Where did I suggest that JY was paying for the trip? I suggested that the Aunt "may" have paid for the trip, but I did not know that as fact.

I have no idea whether Linda paid for Michelle's trip to NY; she may have. When my parents were doing well, they paid for many of their children's trips to visit with them. They wanted to see their grandchildren.

The point remains, no one knows who paid for what trips planned or actually made. The trips have no bearing on whether or not they were having financial problems or not. There is not enough information released that would lead one to believe either way.

Finances could have played a part in this tragedy yet again, they may not have. I don't know nor do you.

Now, let's see how you can again mis-represent another post.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
I don`t either but out of the mouth of her Aunt she was. Remember she was only 4 months pregnant and her Aunt said they were making plans just PRIOR to her murder. Maybe their plan was to go before she got too far along in her pregnancy. A month,2 months:shrug: You don`t think her Aunt would fib about something like this just to bring more attention to how terrible Jason is do you? I believe she was planning on going.This would just make her anger at Jason for taking a trip less believable. [/*]

The article stated that that Michelle and her Aunt were planning a trip to Italy. Why would you think she would "fib" about that to make Jason look bad? What does the Italy trip have to do with making Jason look terrible? I'm not clear on how the trip to Italy would make Jason look terrible. I'm not sure why the Aunt would "fib" about a simple trip to Italy. What benefit would it bring her?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
I don`t either but out of the mouth of her Aunt she was. Remember she was only 4 months pregnant and her Aunt said they were making plans just PRIOR to her murder. Maybe their plan was to go before she got too far along in her pregnancy. A month,2 months:shrug: You don`t think her Aunt would fib about something like this just to bring more attention to how terrible Jason is do you? I believe she was planning on going.This would just make her anger at Jason for taking a trip less believable. [/*]

I don't believe Michelle planned to attend simply because of the timing. Maternity leave was just ahead and she was still employed full time. I think the aunt embellished it because it makes a cute story. It follows the pattern we've seen in this case. Cutsie things such as Magnet Militia and Ladybug Liftoff. iirc, it was Meredith who waxed on about visiting Italy on her myspace page back when it was public.

[Jules2]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


I don't believe Michelle planned to attend simply because of the timing. Maternity leave was just ahead and she was still employed full time. I think the aunt embellished it because it makes a cute story. It follows the pattern we've seen in this case. Cutsie things such as Magnet Militia and Ladybug Liftoff. iirc, it was Meredith who waxed on about visiting Italy on her myspace page back when it was public. [/*]


So am I to understand that you believe any event held in the honor of Michelle Fisher Young is considered "cutsie"?


Sorry, but your post leaves me disgusted.


IMO

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
I googled Sheriff Donnie and found this link that took me to a familiar board. I guess since I found it from google I can post it.

http://frictionpowered.wordpress.com/
"Linda’s sister – Michelle’s aunt – recently took a trip to Italy – one that Michelle had planned to attend prior to her death. They went to a town that Michelle had always wanted to go. All of a sudden, her aunt looked down and saw a ladybug."

Now does this sound like the Young's were having financial difficulties or that Michelle would be upset or angry because Jason took a trip with his family?
She went to NY for two weeks and was planing a trip,PRIOR to her death, to Italy with her Aunt. Hummmmmm.
:shrug: :shrug: [/*]

I can't find the direct quote on that link but if all that was said about the trip was what you quoted then one could look at that in different ways. Was this trip actually planned out to the extent they knew the date they were departing, etc.? Was this trip planned for the next month, the next year, years down the road or was this just something Michelle had always wanted to do and expressed that wish?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
annalyzer, I edit my post with another link that I found. Try this:
Could not edit my post but I am posting a link to the original reported statement from Linda`s sister.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/blogpost/1994329/ [/*]

Jason may have also been planning to go on this trip with Michelle but of course his name wouldn't have been mentioned at this time.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
I am disgusted with the JDI and their horrible post about the husband and father of Michelle`s daughter. It is disgusting to hear this and all the horrible things about his mother and sisters. Right down to the clothing they wore to the funeral.Try looking up the word hypocrite...... [/*]

Just remember that the Youngs know what is in the probable cause on those unreturned search warrants and the web gadflies who are on multiple forums 24/7 lobbing insults at them and trying to convict Jason in the court of public opinion do not know. :D

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

...................................oakayfine WROTE:
"That is all well and good but only an assumption on your part. Nowehre does it say that Michelle was paying for her Aunt's trip to Italy. For all we know, it "could" have been that the Aunt was paying for Michelle's trip. Unknown facts but a conclusion drawn by you which could very well be wrong; just as my scenario could very well be wrong. We just don't know and it does not prove whether or not the Youngs were suffereing financially."
.................................................. ..................................
"The trips have no bearing on whether or not they were having financial problems or not."
.................................................. ...............................
Sorry but her being angry about the trip Jason Young made to California and money he spent, did contribute to the issuing of the search warrant as a contributing fact to him being a possible suspect in his wife`s murder.This was the facts in getting a judge to sign off on the SW... Maybe you should keep up on the SW...
What you do for your parents has NO bearing on this case,so I snipped that part of your excuse.
Maybe this will help [/*]

Your posts are wearing my nerves very thin. My posts are NOT EXCUSES for anyone and I am having an extremely hard time understanding how you can manage to construe those posts in to "excuses".

Yes, the warrants stated that witness a & * said Michelle was upset about a recent trip to California made by Jason and his family. What YOU are failing to understand is that my posts did not reference ANY search warrants. Why you are bringing them up, I have no clue. Your insinuation that I do not keep up with SW's is totally uncalled for. You do not know if I have or have not however, I will state that since I have kept up with this case, yes, I have kept up with the SW's.

You need to realize that this is a message board and as such people can and will post a variety of things regarding the case including personal snippets from their own life experiences to try and make a point.

The trips, in and of themselves, have no bearing one way or another on whether there were financial problems. Does that make it a little easier for you to understand? They "could" be an indication that there were problems but we do not know.

You should know that insulting other posters' is in violation of TOS and I do believe if I read back on your posts to me, I will find at least one insult in almost each and every post you have made in reply to me.

It is not appreciated nor will I tolerate it any more. I will also not stoop to your level and throw them back your way; although I could easliy do that without any problem at all.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by janesdean
This is the way a Wake Co. sheriff explains what went on between Jason and Michelle Money:

Wake County Sheriff's Maj. Richard Johnson would not be more specific about the relationship between Money and Jason Young. "It's pretty self-explanatory," Johnson said Thursday. "The average person can read the search warrant and make up their own mind."

Interesting, obvious what the deal was there !!

jmo


http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/519119.html [/*]
The SW has MM admitting almost daily contact with Jason. Sure doesn't have her admitting to any sexual encounters with him.

Obviously a friendship between them.

Obviously nothing more as nothing else was included in the SW.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by june1943


I.ll tell you who I feel sorry for. I feel sorry for Michelle's husband who couldn't even bury his wife in a respectful manner because of the awful things that where being said in the Other room. talk about lack of class. [/*]

Who would that be? Who was saying awful things about Jason in the other room? Did you hear them say these things? TIA

[alter ego]

Originally posted by zed


There's that "romantic relationship" argument remark again. The police said romantic relationship, but you can argue that it didn't happen. It makes no difference.

Oops, here's that link again.

"In addition, investigators have said that Jason Young had a romantic relationship with a Florida woman who attended N.C. State University at the same time as the couple."

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/951291.html [/*]
Please show where LE told a judge it was a romantic relationship.

Please show a direct quote of LE calling it a romantic relationship.

Thanks

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by zed


Why do we want to split hairs?

[/*]

I'd like to know what investigators said that and when they said it. There has been a lot of lousy reporting with this investigation. I know at what time it was reported that blood was found in Jason's vehicle.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by oakayfine


I keep seeing these allegations that Michelle's ring(s) are missing. Do you have a link for that? I think it started out as her wedding ring but now I see it is rings(plural) and you are now saying it is a big problem unless they are found. Do you have a link for the ring or rings? [/*]

No one can say for sure to this day where Michelle's rings are.

Rings=engagement and wedding.


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Could not edit my post but I am posting a link to the original reported statement from Linda`s sister.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/blogpost/1994329/ [/*]


Wow, so Michelle was planning to go to Italy.!!

Kinds makes the trip to Cali pale in comparsion, doesn't it?

You guys find the neatest links.

Thank you, Hi~C !!

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by zed


Where are her shoes? [/*]


The killer(s) stole them?
:eek:

Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by zed


Why do we want to split hairs?

Investigators announced that it was a "romantic relationship", and that was reported by the media. I don't know why the public would expect to be informed that this information was presented to a judge. I don't know why anyone would doubt that investigator's made the comment. The date of the linked article is:
Published: Feb 19, 2008 12:30 AM
Modified: Feb 19, 2008 02:24 AM

This statement is not in any way revised from original investigator statements, and investigators haven't objected to it either when it was first published, or recently. That tells me that investigators stand behind what has been reported.


It was a romantic relationship shortly after the murder, and still was on Feb 19, 2008. [/*]
Investigators announced no such thing.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Wow, so Michelle was planning to go to Italy.!!

Kinds makes the trip to Cali pale in comparsion, doesn't it?

You guys find the neatest links.

Thank you, Hi~C !!

Kat [/*]Maybe that is why she was stressing over money like Witness * said :shrug:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Wow, so Michelle was planning to go to Italy.!!

Kinds makes the trip to Cali pale in comparsion, doesn't it?

You guys find the neatest links.

Thank you, Hi~C !!

Kat [/*]

I didn't see anything to suggest that Michelle was planning to pay for the trip to Italy for her family. That's what the issue was with the California trip. She didn't care that he was going to be gone. She didn't care that he was going without her. She was upset that he was spending the money to pay for his mother, sister and brother-in-law after he had been out of work for some time before that trip. IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by oakayfine


The article stated that that Michelle and her Aunt were planning a trip to Italy. Why would you think she would "fib" about that to make Jason look bad? What does the Italy trip have to do with making Jason look terrible? I'm not clear on how the trip to Italy would make Jason look terrible. I'm not sure why the Aunt would "fib" about a simple trip to Italy. What benefit would it bring her? [/*]


Because Witness A and Bee made such a big thing out of Jason going to Cali without Michelle and that Michelle was so angry at Jason for spending money on such trip.

I love it when the truth comes out.

Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by zed


Why?

I think the search warrants confirm something about it being romantic. I don't have time to search it now. I also know that most readers have followed this case a long time and have probably read it all, so no point in debating that which has already been debated.

I think that the information will come out if there is a trial. That's usually when all the facts of the case come out, not in the media before an arrest.

It's odd but on the one hand you wonder why this information is not available, and on the other hand you object that he is being tried in the media. The info that you want is no one's business unless you want to try Jason in the media. [/*]
The SWs don't confirm anything about the 'relationship' being romantic.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



<snipped>

I love it when the truth comes out.

Kat [/*]

Me too! I can't wait for the trial! The truth will definitely come out then and we can put all these rumors and slanderous statements to rest.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Because Witness A and Bee made such a big thing out of Jason going to Cali without Michelle and that Michelle was so angry at Jason for spending money on such trip.

I love it when the truth comes out.

Kat [/*]I don't read it that way at all.

“I had previously interviewed two witnesses. I am identifying one here as Witness A who had described how ‘Michelle was very, very pissed off’ about a trip made by Jason Young to California in 2006….Witness A was interviewed on December 21, 2006.

I also previously interviewed Witness *. This person described how Michelle was stressing over money and things Jason would go out and do. This witness gave me an example some details about a trip to California.
http://tinyurl.com/5l8rvo


Nothing about Jason paying for the trip. :shrug:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Me too! I can't wait for the trial! The truth will definitely come out then and we can put all these rumors and slanderous statements to rest. [/*]

You have to solve the crime before you get an arrest,
You have to make an arrest before you get to a trial.
You have to have enough proof to make the arrest to get a trial before you get a conviction.

Any day now..
:read:

Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


You have to solve the crime before you get an arrest,
You have to make an arrest before you get to a trial.
You have to have enough proof to make the arrest to get a trial before you get a conviction.

Any day now..
:read:

Kat [/*]

Those who care about Michelle are looking forward to the trial. Those who care about her and her baby boy want their killer brought to justice. A trial is needed for that. The truth will come out in that trial. I'm sure you understand that's what I meant.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by zed



It's odd but on the one hand you wonder why this information is not available, and on the other hand you object that he is being tried in the media. [/*]

No, I only want factual reporting.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego
I don't read it that way at all.

“I had previously interviewed two witnesses. I am identifying one here as Witness A who had described how ‘Michelle was very, very pissed off’ about a trip made by Jason Young to California in 2006….Witness A was interviewed on December 21, 2006.

I also previously interviewed Witness *. This person described how Michelle was stressing over money and things Jason would go out and do. This witness gave me an example some details about a trip to California.
http://tinyurl.com/5l8rvo


Nothing about Jason paying for the trip. :shrug: [/*]

No, but I bet anything Witness A and Bee tried to implicate that was the case.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Those who care about Michelle are looking forward to the trial. Those who care about her and her baby boy want their killer brought to justice. A trial is needed for that. The truth will come out in that trial. I'm sure you understand that's what I meant. [/*]

There is not a person on this Board who does not care about Michelle.

It is the mis~leading things posted about her husband that need to be cleared up.

:patriot:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943


Gotta have and arrest before a trial. You're putting the horse before the cart. [/*]


^5........just posted the same thing.
:)

Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


There is not a person on this Board who does not care about Michelle.

It is the mis~leading things posted about her husband that need to be cleared up.

:patriot:

Kat [/*]

I hope that you're right but there are certainly those who give the impression that they do not care about Michelle and only care about her murderer getting away with the crime. Sad but true.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by june1943


Here's the link romatic wasn't mentioned.

http://wral.com/asset/news/local/2006/12/08/1085668/dell.swf [/*]

The romantic is known. (IMO) You can pretend it didn't happen but it doesn't change reality. Don't you think that the investigators KNOW for a fact? Does it really matter whether or not you accept it as fact?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943


My understanding was she was upset because she had stayed so long in NY and had no vacation time left. I don't think she was mad at Jason but at herself. Did witness A and Bee say Jason was mad because she stayed in NY for 2 weeks? I didn't think so. [/*]


The actual words from Witness A and Bee were that Michelle was pissed at Jason for the trip to Cali....because of their financial situation.......:cough:

Boy, Witness A and Bee just had all kinds of good Jason stories to share.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the ones posted here didn't originate from the same source.



Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by june1943


I'm not pretending any thing I am telling you what the search warrant said. You have an opinion it was different . I think that if the investigators knew for a fact then it would have said so in the warrant. You are the one not excepting facts. [/*]

The search warrant doesn't list every detail. Believe what you want. It doesn't change reality.

[Kat4Eagles]

I know most of the good guys have left us.
Frank, Gojo, etc, but I wanted to wish all the Dads here( if we have any left)
a Happy Fathers Day,
and I hope Jason and C will share a special day tomorrow.

Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



The actual words from Witness A and Bee were that Michelle was pissed at Jason for the trip to Cali....because of their financial situation.......:cough:

Boy, Witness A and Bee just had all kinds of good Jason stories to share.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the ones posted here didn't originate from the same source.



Kat [/*]

You mean because he was paying for the trip. Maybe Jason liked to try to convince his family that he was :cough: a very successful man. There have been a few cases here recently where men have killed their wives because the men were living a lie and pretending they were very :cough: successful.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943


I also wish them a happy fathers day. Wish mine was still here . If you are fortunate enough to still have your father try and spend the day with him tomorrow. [/*]

I agree although I just read Kevin Federline got Father of the Year award..
You have to be kidding,
OT, sorry.!!
Seriously, Happy Fathers day to all Dad's reading here.
Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by june1943


I'm not pretending any thing I am telling you what the search warrant said. You have an opinion it was different . I think that if the investigators knew for a fact then it would have said so in the warrant. You are the one not excepting facts. [/*]
Not a word about romantic except for in the media and on some msg boards.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by janesdean


"It's pretty self-explanatory," Johnson said Thursday. "The average person can read the search warrant and make up their own mind."
:biggrin: [/*]Yeah, like I said. It's pretty self explanatory that Jason and MM were in almost daily contact via email or phone calls. Not one word in the SW about romance or affairs or sexual encounters. Not one word.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by janesdean


Most of the "good guys" left you ? Don't you wonder why the majority of the posters who use to post here are gone ? They were driven away by the bashing of the victims family, and the constant whining to the moderator about nothing. That whining caused alot of very good posters to be banned, that is where the "good guys" have gone. And they are not the ones you named in your post. JMO [/*]No, the 'good guys' are still here. The trouble makers were banned and continue to be banned when they show up to disrupt. 'Very good posters' would not have broken TOS and gotten themselves banned if there were indeed 'very good posters'.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by zed


Sorry you missed the news, but investigators have been reported as stating that it was a romantic relationship. [/*]Didn't miss the news. No one from LE has ever been directly quoted as saying the relationship was romantic.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by zed


The absence of specific details about paperwork received by judges prior to an arrest does not imply that the information you have is not factual. You have factual information.

It is no one's business what the judge specifically addresses until there is a trial, yet you think you have a right to know what goes on in a judge's chambers? Why? It would be trial by public opinion. No one wants that. [/*]

I don't know what you're rambling about. I never mentioned anything about judges and what goes on in their chambers. I only stated that I would like factual reporting. To report investigators said something and then not back it up with names and quoted statements to me is not factual. To report that blood was found in Jason's vehicle when no LE officer ever said any such thing is not factual reporting.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


No one can say for sure to this day where Michelle's rings are.

Rings=engagement and wedding.


Kat [/*]

Then your post is considered as rumor. IMO

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Because Witness A and Bee made such a big thing out of Jason going to Cali without Michelle and that Michelle was so angry at Jason for spending money on such trip.

I love it when the truth comes out.

Kat [/*]

As Barbara stated in her post, Michelle was upset that Jason was paying for his family to go to Cali. Nowhere in the post about Italy is it stated that Michelle was paying for her family to go to Italy. The truth "Might" have been that her Aunt was paying for Michelle to go along with her.



Hope this helps.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by june1943


How about the other two jewelry drawers. I still can't find out if the Alan Fisher that owns Fishers jewelry chain is related to Michelle's dad. If Michelle was part of this family then the talk of heirloom jewelry being missing might now be to far off the mark. I can see a Grandpa giving his granddaughter jewelry for birthdays ,Christmas's ,graduations and even as a wedding gift. Maybe that's why her rings were so expensive.

http://www.ahfisher.com/aboutus.html [/*]

Do you have a credible link stating that jewlry drawers were missing?

As far as I remember, this was posted by a supposed "insider" and should be considered as rumor.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by oakayfine


As Barbara stated in her post, Michelle was upset that Jason was paying for his family to go to Cali. Nowhere in the post about Italy is it stated that Michelle was paying for her family to go to Italy. The truth "Might" have been that her Aunt was paying for Michelle to go along with her.



Hope this helps. [/*]Do you have a credible link stating that Jason paid for the Cali trip?

As far as I remember, this was posted by a supposed "insider" and should be considered as rumor.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943


Well the only things posted about her were taken off her own web sites so if they were misleading then she is the one to set the record straight. Oh yes the posts about her stealing from Cassies fund that was brought to CTV by RPD . Maybe he can get MF to come on here and set the record straight on that one. [/*]

June, do you think that Meredith killed Michelle?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943


It was posted by Kim Young and I see no reason for her to lie.

~snipped~

[/*]

You don't???

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943

I think it is very possible that she could have. From the things i have read on her my space before she went private she isn't a very nice person. [/*]

How is whether or not she's a nice person evidence of murder?

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by alter ego
Do you have a credible link stating that Jason paid for the Cali trip?

As far as I remember, this was posted by a supposed "insider" and should be considered as rumor. [/*]

I remember it being written up on the WRAL site with the witness A & *. Many then speculated that the witnesses A & * HAD to be Michelle's mother and sister.
WRAL original links all come up with "page not found" so I am assuming those articles have been archived. I'm too cheap to pay for the articles so I guess it's a moot point.