View Full Version : ANOTHER teacher abusing 5 yr old. (recorded too)
No two sides on this one.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4945581&page=1
She continues: "Something needs to be done because you are pathetic! If me saying these words to you hurt, I hope it does because you're hurting everyone else around you."
Gabriel can be heard crying on the tape.
Brattnt
05-29-2008, 02:56 PM
OMG!....WTH is wrong with these people?!...:mad:
Lyvia
05-29-2008, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by VC2
No two sides on this one.
<snip>
Gabriel can be heard crying on the tape. [/*]
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Oh, my gosh. This is terrible.
It says the teacher's union is defending her, saying she just snapped. That doesn't seem like much of a defense. And the spokesperson for the Indiana State Teachers Association asked what you should do with a kid that acts out (listing some behaviors she attributes to the child), like the kid deserved it. Again, it doesn't matter what the child did...you don't do what she did. If the Teachers Association is trying to justify this behavior, I am a little scared.
The parents say they tried to meet with the teacher about the child's behavior.
I understand a teacher might lose her cool, but there should be zero tolerance for this kind of thing. And in this case and the other, it wasn't just the teacher having a momentary blowup. She went on and on and then involved the whole class. Even if she lost your cool, you'd think she would have regained it a lot sooner.
MysteryMachine
05-29-2008, 03:12 PM
I had already heard this one before I got into the other thread (the 5yo voted out of class). What is wrong with these people?
As my pastor always says...he will be on you if he ever hears you call your child stupid, ignorant or pathetic. You don't say these things to a child.
I realize teaching is not an easy job. But certain words, like cuss words, you don't go around saying in your classroom. These words should be added to that list.
Making him stand there while she makes the class tell him they don't want to be his friend. Geeze Louise. Like I said in the voted out thread about that boy...I'll bet there is alot more kids verbually abused by their teachers. It's a darn shame.
:rose: For all these little kids who have to trust in adults.
I think every parent of a child in school should start to be suspicious now when they say their teacher is mean to them. Thank goodness that once he started to act out at home they decided to see if what he said was a reason and gave him a tape recorder.
Obviously its not just a 'well all kids think teachers are mean when disciplined" throw away statement any longer.
What really infuriates it me, is that in both cases these were "well respected and liked teachers"
So much for what you need to be a respected and liked teacher.
And its not just "losing her cool" as the union says. It had been going on for months according to the child, its why the parents gave him a tape recorder. The union expects us to believe that she never said things like this before, it just so happened to occur on a day when he had a tape recorder?????????
imo
smurf
05-29-2008, 03:16 PM
Now watch, the parents will be sued for audio taping the teacher without her permission!!!
Lyvia
05-29-2008, 03:20 PM
Holy cannoli, she says, "You're done. You've lost everything. You're done."
To a five-year-old!
In the video, you can hear bits and pieces.
you know in the other thread case i thought perhaps the OP was going a little far when she connected it to school shootings etc.
However if this is a pattern that is occurring in schools, to little children, i can see a connection. When you have the authorities (and to kids teachers are as authority as police) telling you that you are pathetic and useless etc., encouraging other kids to bully you and say the same sort of things, implicitly saying its ok to behave like this, im not surprised that a few kids self esteem is so damaged that they become seriously sick and twisted enough to see shooting your peers and teachers as the only way out. Especially when most of them won't be getting the help this family is going to get him.
Its an important age, for developing empathy and caring..both for yourself and others. Its a two sided coin, if you don't have it for yourself its hard to have it for others and vice versa.
These teachers are STOMPING on that very ability that is needed to grow healthy adults. Normally it will result in addiction problems, sexual acting out and the more normal things we see. However its not hard to see that if its year after year (most kids go to the same school for years so don't escape that enviroment) a small minority will not be able to overcome it. Suicide is ever increasing among kids, as is violence at school IMO they are the same root, anger and hate. Whether to yourself or reflected out onto others.
Its disgusting and i just don't believe with 2 cases in the news now there are not hundreds more where the kids don't tell or the parents don't understand what "mean to me" means when they do.
imo
Originally posted by Lyvia
Holy cannoli, she says, "You're done. You've lost everything. You're done."
To a five-year-old!
In the video, you can hear bits and pieces. [/*]
:eek: i cant watch videos so didn't hear that. omg.
happy2bme
05-29-2008, 03:25 PM
:flamemad: This teacher is pathetic! There is no excuse for her behaviour. I don't give a hoo-ha what that 5 year old little boy did. I cannot begin to fathom how the parents feel. I am scared to even think of what DH or myself would have done had this been one of ours.
Land SharkŪ
05-29-2008, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by smurf
Now watch, the parents will be sued for audio taping the teacher without her permission!!!
If I were the parents I would be more than happy to take any legal punishment given for taping such unbelievable crap.
happy2bme
05-29-2008, 03:46 PM
You know we often wonder why some of these kids are doing some of the things they do.
kitty1182
05-29-2008, 04:02 PM
What in the world is happening? :mad:
workn2hard2day
05-29-2008, 04:06 PM
i wonder if there is any other connection between the parents and the teacher, because I just can't imagine any other explaination. :flamemad:
delsina363
05-29-2008, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by happy2bme
You know we often wonder why some of these kids are doing some of the things they do. [/*]
This is so true. I wonder how many other kids are spoken to this way. It is truly sad and disheartening :(
smurf
05-29-2008, 04:11 PM
I am not saying they were wrong, I have put a recorder in my kids back pack before:D
Land SharkŪ
05-29-2008, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by smurf
I am not saying they were wrong, I have put a recorder in my kids back pack before:D
I know you're not saying they were wrong.
You brought up an interesting scenario.
I could see it happen.
Lyvia
05-29-2008, 05:16 PM
Anyone ready for some pure irony?
The New Albany-Floyd County Education Association has filed a grievance on behalf of the teacher, who was suspended pending an investigation. The grounds? How she was treated. They say the contract calls for teachers to be treated "with respect and human dignity."
See? Irony.
Link (http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080528/NEWS02/805280871)
Land SharkŪ
05-29-2008, 05:23 PM
Yep. Irony.
Plain as day.
LisaM22
05-29-2008, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by Lyvia
Anyone ready for some pure irony?
The New Albany-Floyd County Education Association has filed a grievance on behalf of the teacher, who was suspended pending an investigation. The grounds? How she was treated. They say the contract calls for teachers to be treated "with respect and human dignity."
See? Irony.
Link (http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080528/NEWS02/805280871) [/*]
wow, that is ironic (or should we say moronic) - I don't think the teacher gets it
Originally posted by Lyvia
Anyone ready for some pure irony?
The New Albany-Floyd County Education Association has filed a grievance on behalf of the teacher, who was suspended pending an investigation. The grounds? How she was treated. They say the contract calls for teachers to be treated "with respect and human dignity."
See? Irony.
Link (http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080528/NEWS02/805280871) [/*]
this is outrageous!!! (and ironic)
wtf does that union think its doing??? supporting this behavior is insane, i guess the message is that teachers can abuse little children as young as 5 to their hearts content and to make it public is not showing respect.
barf
Lyvia
05-29-2008, 11:22 PM
I agree, VC2. Another thing that bothered me is that the same person who was interviewed about the grievance and complained about the way the teacher was treated said something like, What would you do with a kid who's biting, punching, etc?. It's in the article somewhere.
To defend a teacher who is clearly in the wrong by maligning a child who had taken so much abuse from this teacher his parents had to have him tape the class--that's just disgusting. Maybe the kid did all that, but he's still a child. Yeah, the parents went to the press, so she may have felt justified in going public with information about the child, but it still doesn't sit well with me.
The teacher was only suspended pending an investigation for something she's on tape doing, and they're fighting it. How can anyone hear that and want her back in the classroom?
Just take a look at how the reporter wrote his story in your link.
"spoken to harshly"
HUH? not even a quote, anyone reading it would think that the kid was sent to the corner and told that pulling a girls pigtail was naughty.
Not that he is pathetic, ignorant, thrown it all away, done.
grrrrrrr
Originally posted by Brattnt
OMG!....WTH is wrong with these people?!...:mad: [/*]
What is really scary is other teachers and the state association seeing NOTHING wrong with her actions!!! "She probably lost her cool." HUH???? TEACHERS aren't supposed to lose their cool. Their job can certainly be tough, and they are human, but it's THEIR JOB to not lose their cool in front of their students. They can get stern, send the student out, walk into the hall for a few deep breaths, ask for someone else (even a secretary can "sit" for a few minutes) to watch the kids---but it is NEVER "OKAY" for a teacher to treat a student of any age this way.
Self-absorbed? What FIVE YEAR OLD CHILD isn't self-absorbed, for Pete's sake!!!!
So, she's had trouble w/him all year? Enough that it must have been discussed in the teacher's lounge. But not enough to take the time set down for the conference w/the parents to do an IEP? When it was her suggestion in the first place?
And, just like the other one---instead of dealing w/it privately (altho one would hope she still wouldn't have used that tactic in a private session) she has to involve all the little 5 y/o's who don't have a clue what is happening. She's not only messing this kid up big time, she's doing a number on the others, IMO, setting an example that it's okay to gang up on one little kid.
Originally posted by Lyvia
Anyone ready for some pure irony?
The New Albany-Floyd County Education Association has filed a grievance on behalf of the teacher, who was suspended pending an investigation. The grounds? How she was treated. They say the contract calls for teachers to be treated "with respect and human dignity."
See? Irony.
Link (http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080528/NEWS02/805280871) [/*]
Being suspended (and most likely WITH PAY--a nice little PAID vacation from her so vexing duties as a teacher) is not respectful and dignified? THAT is how it is set up, if she was suspended w/o pay or out and out fired--they'd have a problem w/that too, I am sure. What did they expect? That it would be quietly swept under the rug and let her go on? When that little boy isn't there to be her whipping boy, she'd soon enough pick another kid to treat that way--no one will EVER get me to believe there aren't other kids in that class who act up.
Wonder how much his actions got worse over the course of the school year JUST BECAUSE of the way she treated him? He's a 5 y/o kid, for pete's sake. He doesn't have the ability to handle this type of behaviour toward HIM, IMO.
And, maybe she didn't want to bother with the meeting w/the parents to change his behaviour---maybe she enjoyed treating him like sh$$. Just wondering, of course.
sparkle
05-30-2008, 04:52 AM
There's a petition started to have the teacher held accountable who stood the five year old in front of his class, had his classmates say what they disliked about him and took a vote to kick him out. Here's the
story
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/ 2008/may/24/30gtteacher- lets-students-vote-out-classmate- 5/
Here's the petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/autism08/petition.html
GA On My Mind
05-30-2008, 05:40 AM
I have the utmost respect for the parents of that little boy because had that been my child, I would have gone ballistic on that teacher. I cannot believe that anyone would defend her actions.
Talking to a child like she did could have lasting consequences on that poor kid's psyche. She has no business in that profession whatsoever and I hope to God that she doesn't have kids of her own.
sage68
05-30-2008, 09:05 AM
Originally posted by VC2
No two sides on this one.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4945581&page=1
She continues: "Something needs to be done because you are pathetic! If me saying these words to you hurt, I hope it does because you're hurting everyone else around you."
Gabriel can be heard crying on the tape. [/*]
I cant believe what I just heard! Im stunned, Im disgusted, discouraged, there arent enough words in the dictionary to describe what Im feeling right now.
How does anyone with any compassion treat a child the way these teachers are treating these little boys. Anyone with half a brain knows how damaging things like this are to children.
My chin is still on the floor.
sage68
05-30-2008, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by Lyvia
Anyone ready for some pure irony?
The New Albany-Floyd County Education Association has filed a grievance on behalf of the teacher, who was suspended pending an investigation. The grounds? How she was treated. They say the contract calls for teachers to be treated "with respect and human dignity."
See? Irony.
Link (http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080528/NEWS02/805280871) [/*]
:flamemad: This **** makes me steaming mad!
BorderCollieMom
05-30-2008, 10:33 AM
Maybe we need Live Feed Streaming audio & video in classrooms across the country.
Daycare centers have used them for years.
Lost2Found
05-30-2008, 11:14 AM
Does anyone have maybe another link to this recording?
I went to the link and got the story, but there was no place to hear the recording. I temporarily disabled my PopUp blocker, and even went directly to the GMA site, but still could not find the recording...
I think what this so-called teacher & the one in FL did is absolutely unforgivable, and that neither should ever be allowed to work with or around children again.
TIA for any help with hearing the recording! :seeya:
MysteryMachine
05-30-2008, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by BorderCollieMom
Maybe we need Live Feed Streaming audio & video in classrooms across the country.
Daycare centers have used them for years. [/*]
That was my exact thought yesterday. Then there's no question of "little Johnny bit someone" and you called my child "ignorant and pathetic".
It would be in the best interests of the children and parents, for parents who believe their child does no wrong, and for children who have teachers verbally abusing them.
Lyvia
05-30-2008, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by Lost2Found
Does anyone have maybe another link to this recording?
I went to the link and got the story, but there was no place to hear the recording. <snip>[/*]
The link in the first story (in the opening post) has the video embedded, you just have to hit play. That didn't work for you? It's not a pop-up.
Lost2Found
05-30-2008, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by Lyvia
The link in the first story (in the opening post) has the video embedded, you just have to hit play. That didn't work for you? It's not a pop-up. [/*]
No ~ there's a big blank white space to the left of the story when I pull it up, with the words "A recording catches a teacher berating a kindergartener" underneath the blank space.
I assumed that's where the video/recording SHOULD be, but for some reason it isn't... That's why I tried disabling the popup blocker, thinking maybe that would work - but no luck.
:shrug:
Lyvia
05-30-2008, 01:33 PM
So weird. I've tried to find it on other sites for you, but it looks like since it's from Good Morning America, that's the only place it is. If I find it, I'll post it.
Lyvia
05-30-2008, 01:39 PM
There's a video link on this page. (http://www.whas11.com/education/stories/whas11_topstory_080527_recording.3444fc17.html) It's not the same as the GMA one, but there's overlap. This one has the little boy speaking, which will break your heart. The teacher sounds really, really calm when she asks the kids if they want to be in class with them and tells him his friend doesn't want to be with him.
This video doesn't have the teacher saying, 'You're done. You've lost everything. You're done" That really chilled me.
I hope it works for you.
Lost2Found
05-30-2008, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Lyvia
There's a video link on this page. (http://www.whas11.com/education/stories/whas11_topstory_080527_recording.3444fc17.html) It's not the same as the GMA one, but there's overlap. This one has the little boy speaking, which will break your heart. The teacher sounds really, really calm when she asks the kids if they want to be in class with them and tells him his friend doesn't want to be with him.
This video doesn't have the teacher saying, 'You're done. You've lost everything. You're done" That really chilled me.
I hope it works for you. [/*]
Thanks Lyvia ~ you are the hot-bomb diggity! I could not believe this quote from that link -
"The New Albany-Floyd County Education Association says it plans to file a grievance on Woodward's behalf against the school board for suspending her. "
WHAT are those people smokin'??? Un-flippin-believable :flamemad:
Amy S.
05-30-2008, 04:05 PM
One year I was hired to handle a difficult class of 2nd graders. There were 12 kids and 3 were beyond help. I remember one in particular that when I would say the spelling words, he would either spell it aloud or say a rhyming word.
He spent most of the day jumping on and off of his desk.
But at no time, did I feel the need to call the little boy names and belittle him.
Teacher's are supposed to be understanding and helpful.
What an *ss. (MOO)
Lyvia
05-30-2008, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by Lost2Found
Thanks Lyvia ~ you are the hot-bomb diggity! I could not believe this quote from that link -
"The New Albany-Floyd County Education Association says it plans to file a grievance on Woodward's behalf against the school board for suspending her. "
WHAT are those people smokin'??? Un-flippin-believable :flamemad: [/*]
It's insane. I posted yesterday about the grievance. What's so rich is that the spokesperson, who is so concerned about the treatment of the teacher, made specific allegations about the child's behavior to the press. Now, I know the parents went to the press, but that doesn't mean a child should be maligned, especially not with someone with an education association, publicly. She said he bites, hits, etc. She could have simply said the behavior was bad or something, but she made specific charges.
And the icing on the cake was that the spokesperson also said that by suspending the teacher (who we hear verbally abusing a child on and one), the school violated the teacher's contract, which says teachers must be treated with "with respect and human dignity."
I actually noodled around the education association's website a little. They talk about children needing support, but they're supporting an abuser and vilifying a child. IMO.
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