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crimeq

05-27-2008, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
for the board to be down for 3 days.Coldwater can be angry at me for saying so but I dion't care.It was a mistake.If coldwater needs assistants to keep the board up during holidays let the forum managers ask for volunteers and select someone trustworthy.
I'm not here to post about the case because someone here seems to have issues with my views about it.But I still follow the case and discuss it with a few people who live in the Reno area.

Apparently some of Brianna's friends are organizing a flag football event to publicize the case so someone can google that and post a link.If you live in the area of Reno you can participate. [/*]

Atlantis, all views should be welcome here. This is a message board and all case aspects can be discussed. I'm regretful that you think your views are unwelcome here. I'd like to know what they are. We never know what good idea may spark forward movement in the case or a better understanding of it. :seeya:

Politigal

05-27-2008, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by crimeq
I read a post on WS that a rape occurred in a hospital parking lot in Reno around May 20 but could not find any reference to it on google, and it wasn't picked up for discussion on the WS board. Does anybody know anything about this?

I am sooooooooooooo suffering from withdrawal from the long weekend w/o this board. [/*]

I couldn't find any report of another assault and it's not on the Reno PD site either...

There was news of assault/murder in *Reno County* ...in Kansas. Maybe that's what the poster was referring to.

crimeq

05-27-2008, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Politigal

I couldn't find any report of another assault and it's not on the Reno PD site either...

There was news of assault/murder in *Reno County* ...in Kansas. Maybe that's what the poster was referring to. [/*]

Hi Politigal, I just went back to find the WS post:

http://www.ktnv.com/global/story.asp?s=8350163

"This just happened in Vegas, it sounds like the same thing briannas and the other girls rapist did. Could it be a match? the only difference is the guy is described alittle difference."

This was in Vegas, not Reno--sorry for my mistake. I wonder if it could be the same perp in a new locale.
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crimeq

05-27-2008, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by AngelEyes

Suspect In Desert Springs Hospital Attack Arrested

http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8373545&nav=menu498_1_1 [/*]

Glad they got that one. I can't imagine him writing about it in his diary but am so glad he did, and that the roommate read it.

Thanks for the update.

Rosieo

05-27-2008, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by AngelEyes

Suspect In Desert Springs Hospital Attack Arrested

http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8373545&nav=menu498_1_1 [/*]

Interesting! A little younger than thought, but that may not mean anything. And the part about hoping the police don't think he has a real gun - they always have to assume he has a "real" gun, it would be silly not to.

Rosieo

05-27-2008, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by crimeq

Glad they got that one. I can't imagine him writing about it in his diary but am so glad he did, and that the roommate read it.

Thanks for the update. [/*]

Bless the roommate for turning him in!

omsk99

05-27-2008, 04:18 PM

[i]~snip (for space)
Apparently some of Brianna's friends are organizing a flag football event to publicize the case so someone can google that and post a link.If you live in the area of Reno you can participate. [/*]

Here is the link:

http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080527/NEWS10/805270343/1321/NEWS

Rosieo

05-27-2008, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

Here is the link:

http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080527/NEWS10/805270343/1321/NEWS [/*]

What a wonderful idea!

Rosieo

05-27-2008, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
He has a myspace site although I don't know if it is still up, so does his rommmate.
I've been discussing him with other people, apparently he was on meds, went off of them then went and did the attacks, then did a porno film in Las Vegas to get money to flee the city.
Apparently his fake gun resembles one carried by the alleged perp in an October attack in Reno.
I hope they do dna testing on him to see if he matches any of the other Reno attacks, particularly Brianna's..... [/*]

ITA!!

Rosieo

05-27-2008, 04:36 PM

Politigal

05-27-2008, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by AngelEyes

Suspect In Desert Springs Hospital Attack Arrested

http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8373545&nav=menu498_1_1 [/*]

I am soooo glad they caught this guy....and I note he's charged with sexual assault of a minor.....that makes my blood pressure skyrocket.....I hope he gets the maximum punishment when he's found guilty.

BitterSweet

05-27-2008, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by AngelEyes

Suspect In Desert Springs Hospital Attack Arrested

http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8373545&nav=menu498_1_1 [/*]

Don't know if he fits into the Denison case?
I would definately see him as a POI Julianna (sp?) Redding case?

:rose: Justice is coming Brianna!

concerned

05-27-2008, 10:34 PM

I am very interested in seeing what becomes of this guy. I highlighted his about me section of his myspace so it could be read, and it says he works with horses and spends the winters in LV. Looks as though his last log in was a year ago, but it just makes me wonder. The Briana POS is known to have a "farmer's tan" so to speak as if he works outside. We also know he has a goatee. ALSO...I read one of the above statements that said something about him shooting a porn movie?? I didn't see a link so I didn't quote it, but that could explain the "shaved" parts if it turns out to be legit.....????

Here's the myspace link...http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=160548341

Rosieo

05-27-2008, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by concerned
I am very interested in seeing what becomes of this guy. I highlighted his about me section of his myspace so it could be read, and it says he works with horses and spends the winters in LV. Looks as though his last log in was a year ago, but it just makes me wonder. The Briana POS is known to have a "farmer's tan" so to speak as if he works outside. We also know he has a goatee. ALSO...I read one of the above statements that said something about him shooting a porn movie?? I didn't see a link so I didn't quote it, but that could explain the "shaved" parts if it turns out to be legit.....????

Here's the myspace link...http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=160548341 [/*]

Very good points! This myspace, though, says he's 27 - didn't the news story say he's 19? :confused:

concerned

05-27-2008, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by Rosieo

Very good points! This myspace, though, says he's 27 - didn't the news story say he's 19? :confused: [/*]

Ya know...i'll have to go back and look....i'm not sure, but if you'll look at his second or third comment from * a guy in his underwear,* lol....well that guy pulls up under the name of the roomate that turned him in! That's how I knew it had to be him, and the pictures match the one in the newspaper also.

Rosieo

05-27-2008, 10:53 PM

Lots of interesting things on his myspace - dark blond/brownish hair, 5'9", 165 lbs..muscular, likes to work out, do a lot of outdoor stuff - hunting, fishing, riding horses, works on a dude ranch and trains horses in the summer, sometimes 16-18 hours a day (yep, farmer's tan fits), vacations in Las Vegas in the winter, though that summer, 2007, said he was in Vegas and was considering making it his permanent home but had decided not to. Interestingly, he says "if you think you can impress me because you have a nice body, big t*ts, or a nice a**, you're wrong by a longshot - I can get laid any time of day by some ditz" - goes on to say he's looking for a lasting, serious relationship and likes older women, then goes on to say he's off the market, he found his true love - a 42 year old woman who left a comment. Still confused though why it says he's 27 and the news stories say he's 19.

Rosieo

05-27-2008, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by concerned
I am very interested in seeing what becomes of this guy. I highlighted his about me section of his myspace so it could be read, and it says he works with horses and spends the winters in LV. Looks as though his last log in was a year ago, but it just makes me wonder. The Briana POS is known to have a "farmer's tan" so to speak as if he works outside. We also know he has a goatee. ALSO...I read one of the above statements that said something about him shooting a porn movie?? I didn't see a link so I didn't quote it, but that could explain the "shaved" parts if it turns out to be legit.....????

Here's the myspace link...http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=160548341 [/*]

Also something that caught my eye, he lists himself as a proud parent - as young as he is, maybe the proud parent of a baby? AND with his background and activities, my guess would be he drives a truck.

Rosieo

05-27-2008, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by concerned

Ya know...i'll have to go back and look....i'm not sure, but if you'll look at his second or third comment from * a guy in his underwear,* lol....well that guy pulls up under the name of the roomate that turned him in! That's how I knew it had to be him, and the pictures match the one in the newspaper also. [/*]

It is definitely him - I can tell by the picture he has posted there - it's him, just confused whether he lied on his myspace (because he likes older women) or if LE got his age wrong, which I HIGHLY doubt.

Rosieo

05-27-2008, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by concerned

Ya know...i'll have to go back and look....i'm not sure, but if you'll look at his second or third comment from * a guy in his underwear,* lol....well that guy pulls up under the name of the roomate that turned him in! That's how I knew it had to be him, and the pictures match the one in the newspaper also. [/*]

Did you look at that guy's myspace? ay yi yi! LOL The whole page is naked and half naked men, even in all the comments! Along with a few bondage pics. Yegads!

concerned

05-27-2008, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by Rosieo

Did you look at that guy's myspace? ay yi yi! LOL The whole page is naked and half naked men, even in all the comments! Along with a few bondage pics. Yegads! [/*]

Yes I did and that was my response too LOL!!! I also found that strange. Why would he be rooming with this guy if he's still married?? Bc he evidentally isn't married anymore, and possible DID have a child with her?? Like I said....merely speculations of course, but very interesting. I can only hope they are presently working on comparing the dna

But about the age thing,... yes, many people lie about their age when they create them for various reasons. That's really common. I only know, bc I live on myspace half the time, lol. Many do it just to keep from giving out their actual date of birth though, bc their are a lot of hackers on the site....;)

Politigal

05-27-2008, 11:16 PM

here's a big photo of him

http://www.lasvegassun.com/photos/2008/may/21/4782/

BitterSweet

05-27-2008, 11:16 PM

I have visited his myspace since he was wanted/arrested.

I pray that is Bri's perp?
Somehow unfortunately, I do not think this is the case.

Uhhhgg..grrr.
None the less...can we all agree to not giving up?

I know I will not!

Politigal

05-27-2008, 11:19 PM

concerned

05-27-2008, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by Rosieo

Also something that caught my eye, he lists himself as a proud parent - as young as he is, maybe the proud parent of a baby? AND with his background and activities, my guess would be he drives a truck. [/*]

OOO... I did not catch that about him being a "proud parent", and you're right....I bet he drives one too.

Also, if I remember correctly, did he write he was origianally from Montana? If so, could this be the same one?-------

http://mtlawlibrary.wordpress.com/2006/12/15/opinion-eklund-v-trost/

I just clicked on the case number and read all about it. Looks like this guy has had some run in with trouble if it is him.....

:shrug:

Rosieo

05-27-2008, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by concerned

Yes I did and that was my response too LOL!!! I also found that strange. Why would he be rooming with this guy if he's still married?? Bc he evidentally isn't married anymore, and possible DID have a child with her?? Like I said....merely speculations of course, but very interesting. I can only hope they are presently working on comparing the dna

I got the impression from his page that he's divorced or separated, looking for true love and he's a father, or maybe never married the mother of his child but says he's a proud parent- so maybe a baby.......it IS quite odd that he was rooming with this guy - that was quite a page! LOLOL Not that I minded seeing it of course. hahahaha, just not quite exactly what I'd have expected.

But about the age thing,... yes, many people lie about their age when they create them for various reasons. That's really common. I only know, bc I live on myspace half the time, lol. Many do it just to keep from giving out their actual date of birth though, bc their are a lot of hackers on the site....;) [/*]:

Ahhhh, he may have simply lied on his page then. I did have a myspace, but when I was following the leah hickman case, I clicked on her sister's page from her friends list and within 3 hours, my friends were emailing me saying random porn was being sent out from my myspace name. Eeek! I deleted my account LOL

Rosieo

05-27-2008, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by concerned

OOO... I did not catch that about him being a "proud parent", and you're right....I bet he drives one too.

Also, if I remember correctly, did he write he was origianally from Montana? If so, could this be the same one?-------

http://mtlawlibrary.wordpress.com/2006/12/15/opinion-eklund-v-trost/

I just clicked on the case number and read all about it. Looks like this guy has had some run in with trouble if it is him.....

:shrug: [/*]

It does seem to be him - and yep, his myspace said he grew up in Montana - interesting that he stole his grandfather's PICKUP TRUCK. I really do hope, I'm sure they are, comparing DNA, because they may very possibly have Bri's killer in custody - right height and weight, hair color, goatee, farmer's tan and most likely drives a pickup truck,if not always, at least from time to time - and he's a "proud father." The pieces sure fit and it sure would be fantastic to have her killer in custody. :::fingers crossed::: 19 is really younger than the suspect description, but I don't put a lot of stock in the age they gave, since the victim who gave the description didn't even see his face.........and he looks older than 19 also.

Rosieo

05-27-2008, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by BitterSweet
I have visited his myspace since he was wanted/arrested.

I pray that is Bri's perp?
Somehow unfortunately, I do not think this is the case.

Uhhhgg..grrr.
None the less...can we all agree to not giving up?

I know I will not! [/*]

Amen, Bittersweet! I'm never giving up on this case until he's caught!

Rosieo

05-27-2008, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by Politigal

News articles say Trost sexually assaulted a woman & her teenage daughter...that's probably why he went for the older women....to get to their children. [/*]

Very good point! Odd that on his myspace page, he'd finally found true love with a 42 year old woman - but the article I just posted here said he was caught shoplifting at Best Buy with his 17 year old girlfriend. Hmmmmmmm...strange. of course, that myspace was in 8/07, things could've changed since then. It sounds like this guy's been in trouble all his life. It makes you wonder what other attacks he's committed where he DIDN'T get caught - I highly doubt this is his first rape.

Rosieo

05-27-2008, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by Politigal
here's a big photo of him

http://www.lasvegassun.com/photos/2008/may/21/4782/ [/*]

Thanks, Politigal - I really have a thing about people's eyes - the eyes really ARE the windows to the soul - and his eyes creep me out -they're empty.

osubbfan

05-28-2008, 06:21 AM

I also find it interesting that this guy's MO involves parking garages. The Oct. and Nov. Reno attacks were in parking garages and the Dec. victim was abducted from a parking lot IIRC. I believe a lot of assaults happen in parking garages so it may not mean much. However, it certainly seems like an environment this perp is comfortable in.

gestalt

05-28-2008, 09:52 AM

I know, I couldn't find anything yesterday other than on WS. Good job everyone!

He thought he was invincible. By his writings you immediately know that egotistical element (another malignant narcissist).

Rosieo

05-28-2008, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by osubbfan
I also find it interesting that this guy's MO involves parking garages. The Oct. and Nov. Reno attacks were in parking garages and the Dec. victim was abducted from a parking lot IIRC. I believe a lot of assaults happen in parking garages so it may not mean much. However, it certainly seems like an environment this perp is comfortable in. [/*]

It sure does! I certainly hope LE will let us know if he was ruled in or out - I noticed that so far they're silent on any relation he may or may not have to Bri's case, and that's actually a good sign.

Rosieo

05-28-2008, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by gestalt
I know, I couldn't find anything yesterday other than on WS. Good job everyone!

He thought he was invincible. By his writings you immediately know that egotistical element (another malignant narcissist). [/*]

Yep! It's very frightening if he's not related to Bri's case or the rape a couple weeks ago to think there are/were THREE of these freaks running around that area? I think, though, if not related to Bri's case, they're going to find this attack is just the tip of the iceberg on this guy, IMO.

BitterSweet

05-29-2008, 12:38 PM

I am so frustrated with this case.

RENO LE NEEDS TO GIVE THE MEDIA AN UPDATE!

My only hope is that they have a POI.

:mad:

*Lastly..this is JMO - Please do not respond with LE protocol.*

Jpanda

05-29-2008, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by BitterSweet
I am so frustrated with this case.

RENO LE NEEDS TO GIVE THE MEDIA AN UPDATE!

My only hope is that they have a POI.

:mad:

*Lastly..this is JMO - Please do not respond with LE protocol.* [/*]

ITA. I'm not knocking LE at all, but I really DO think they need to update the public. I can't even IMAGINE how scary it must be to live in Reno right now, not knowing how many active rapists/killers are wandering around.

The public deserves to know, especially since it's their lives that are in danger!

jmo

osubbfan

05-29-2008, 06:53 PM

Where's butterfly? We need a full report on the mood in Reno. Are people there talking about this? Is there any pressure on the media or LE to provide the public with some information about how many predators they are looking for? IMO this is a matter of public safety and LE needs to educate the public about these crimes/criminals.

Also, I found this post over at WS...

Originally Posted by mavryk
I tracked the manufacturer of the underwear and obtained the transaction history for that thong garment. It turns out that the distributor sold six pairs in that size in the entire state of Nevada, all in 2007. I got my hands on the dates and locations of the sales and passed it on to LE. I only hope they can do something with it. Keep your fingers crossed.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65130 (http://)

I would think if someone on a message board could get that information LE should have already had it...but who knows?

Politigal

05-29-2008, 07:34 PM

Rosieo

05-29-2008, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by Jpanda

ITA. I'm not knocking LE at all, but I really DO think they need to update the public. I can't even IMAGINE how scary it must be to live in Reno right now, not knowing how many active rapists/killers are wandering around.

The public deserves to know, especially since it's their lives that are in danger!

jmo [/*]

ITA - I'm scared FOR them - this is just not right -

Rosieo

05-29-2008, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by Politigal

I've emailed a Reno detective on Mavryk's post.... [/*]

Excellent :beer:

Rosieo

05-29-2008, 08:40 PM

butterfly28

05-29-2008, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by osubbfan
Where's butterfly? We need a full report on the mood in Reno. Are people there talking about this? Is there any pressure on the media or LE to provide the public with some information about how many predators they are looking for? IMO this is a matter of public safety and LE needs to educate the public about these crimes/criminals.

Also, I found this post over at WS...

Originally Posted by mavryk
I tracked the manufacturer of the underwear and obtained the transaction history for that thong garment. It turns out that the distributor sold six pairs in that size in the entire state of Nevada, all in 2007. I got my hands on the dates and locations of the sales and passed it on to LE. I only hope they can do something with it. Keep your fingers crossed.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65130 (http://)

I would think if someone on a message board could get that information LE should have already had it...but who knows? [/*]

I'm here. :seeya: I read these boards at least once a day!!

I am sad to report there is nothing new going on in Reno in regards to this information. Nothing new has been in the news and no one around town even talks about the attacks!! The only time I even hear updated info is when I come here and get the updates from you guys! How sad is it that I have to go to a message board for updates when because we can't get them from LE. :mad: I too am frustrated. I am a big supporter of LE especially locally but I am losing faith quickly. Hopefully they will SOON tell us that they have been onto this guy and didn't want to tip him off, but I am getting nervous.

I agree with many of you that stated that we deserve an update. It really is a matter of public safety... and yes, how many guys are out there right now that they know of? Is this the same guy or all different? I wish the public would put pressure on LE to release information but I do not know how to put pressure on them.... any ideas (you guys always have amazing ideas!!)? I will gladly do what I can.

Rosieo

05-29-2008, 09:44 PM

HI Butterfly!

I am sad to report there is nothing new going on in Reno in regards to this information. Nothing new has been in the news and no one around town even talks about the attacks!! The only time I even hear updated info is when I come here and get the updates from you guys! How sad is it that I have to go to a message board for updates when because we can't get them from LE. :mad: I too am frustrated. I am a big supporter of LE especially locally but I am losing faith quickly. Hopefully they will SOON tell us that they have been onto this guy and didn't want to tip him off, but I am getting nervous.

I agree with many of you that stated that we deserve an update. It really is a matter of public safety... and yes, how many guys are out there right now that they know of? Is this the same guy or all different? I wish the public would put pressure on LE to release information but I do not know how to put pressure on them.... any ideas (you guys always have amazing ideas!!)? I will gladly do what I can. [/*][/QUOTE]

You must be really frustrated, I know I would be if I lived there. It is NOT fair to just leave the women there in fear and wondering - If this guy, Bri's killer and the attack a couple weeks ago are all separate, that is much more frightening than if it's all the work of one person and if LE has any common sense, they would know that certainly doesn't do much for Reno public relations either. If they don't have a darned good reason for being this silent, then I don't know WTH they're thinking. :confused: I'm useless as to ideas on how to pressure them, other than circulating a petition demanding more info, although that's a catch-22 if they really DO have a reason for being this silent - but the very least they could do is publicly state "we have a reason for staying silent"! :flamemad:

Politigal

05-29-2008, 10:03 PM

I have gotten a couple of emails from one of the detectives...

He answered a few of my questions:

1) the assault at 900 S Meadows is *definitely* not linked to Brianna's case

2) the November victim (at 401 College) had just walked home to her apartment there - from the University - when she was attacked

3) Police are not releasing which door they believe Brianna was removed from at 1395 Mackay

4) Police are not releasing info on whether the panties found with Brianna were tied in any type of knot

5) Police do not believe that releasing the names of the male residents at Mackay would help the case

6) Police have found *no* link between the victims

Rosieo

05-29-2008, 10:10 PM

butterfly28

05-30-2008, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by Politigal
I have gotten a couple of emails from one of the detectives...

He answered a few of my questions:

1) the assault at 900 S Meadows is *definitely* not linked to Brianna's case

2) the November victim (at 401 College) had just walked home to her apartment there - from the University - when she was attacked

3) Police are not releasing which door they believe Brianna was removed from at 1395 Mackay

4) Police are not releasing info on whether the panties found with Brianna were tied in any type of knot

5) Police do not believe that releasing the names of the male residents at Mackay would help the case

6) Police have found *no* link between the victims [/*]

That was interesting! Thanks for sharing. Unfortunately I did not have a good feeling it was the same person. So the answer is there are at least 2 in the area that LE knows of. I don't want to even think about those we have no idea about or those who just have the thought to hurt others but haven't acted on it. What a sad world we are living in.
But looking at the bright side and trying to stay positive, that was great of LE to answer your email and provide information. I sill want to believe they have more information then they are letting on and I know they are still diligently working on these cases. Did they respond quickly?

Politigal

05-30-2008, 01:45 AM

Here I go again....veering off topic...

But I was thinking tonight...

I know that the man named Ian that gave one of the girls a ride home that night was cleared.

But, I wonder if Police have checked to see if Ian has a roommate, or someone living with him, that he could have told about the girl - being alone, being possibly intoxicated, and where he dropped her off at....

I've looked at various people searches and found at least 27 Ian's in Reno...1 even resides at 401 College.....

Rosieo

05-30-2008, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by Politigal
Here I go again....veering off topic...

But I was thinking tonight...

I know that the man named Ian that gave one of the girls a ride home that night was cleared.

But, I wonder if Police have checked to see if Ian has a roommate, or someone living with him, that he could have told about the girl - being alone, being possibly intoxicated, and where he dropped her off at....

I've looked at various people searches and found at least 27 Ian's in Reno...1 even resides at 401 College..... [/*]

Ohhhhhhhh good point! I like the way you think :beer: She said he chastized her about picking up a ride with a stranger - logically, if he lived with someone he would go home and say "geez, I can't believe this girl I just gave a ride to, drunk and picking up rides with strangers." I'd have never thought of that.

Maelstrom5

05-30-2008, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by Politigal
Here I go again....veering off topic...

But I was thinking tonight...

I know that the man named Ian that gave one of the girls a ride home that night was cleared.

But, I wonder if Police have checked to see if Ian has a roommate, or someone living with him, that he could have told about the girl - being alone, being possibly intoxicated, and where he dropped her off at....

I've looked at various people searches and found at least 27 Ian's in Reno...1 even resides at 401 College..... [/*]

Hi,

Ian was not the stranger that Jessica got a ride home with. He was the friend who gave Brianna and KT a ride home.

I don't think the name of the man who gave Jessica a ride was ever released to the press.

gestalt

05-30-2008, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
I don't think it was anybody Brianna knew or anybody anyone who knew her or the other occupants of the house knew either...just a predator who was lurking in the area, looked through the window and saw her there asleep...and apparently alone.

As for Trost there's further speculation about him because he was in a porno film and some male porno actors shave their groin area... [/*]

----------------------------------
Just read some interesting things: Trost's roommate said it is difficult to turn in someone you LOVE. So I guess he was more than a roommate?

Next, I wonder if the PP underwear was acquired from someone in the porn movie.

Jpanda

05-30-2008, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae
Snipped for space:

:seeya:

Perhaps a letter to your local newspaper editor...on the opinion page?

A mass e-mail to local and national news sources? (we can help with that)

Do you have access to a call in radio program maybe?

Picket the cop-shop... demanding info.....(we can help with your bail lol)

A petition? (like someone else suggested)

Thats all I can come up with tonight... [/*]

These are some very good ideas.

Butterfly, I think you and all your friends/family in Reno should start writing LE for updates. Since they seem willing to answer questions, maybe if they hear from enough "concerned citizens," they will hold a press conference or at least let you know if you should be on lock-down.

jmo

Politigal

05-30-2008, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by Maelstrom5

Hi,

Ian was not the stranger that Jessica got a ride home with. He was the friend who gave Brianna and KT a ride home.

I don't think the name of the man who gave Jessica a ride was ever released to the press. [/*]

Thank you...I wasn't aware.

I wonder if Ian's friends/roommates and the stranger's friends have been checked out?

Rosieo

05-30-2008, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by gestalt

----------------------------------
Just read some interesting things: Trost's roommate said it is difficult to turn in someone you LOVE. So I guess he was more than a roommate?

I caught that too!

Next, I wonder if the PP underwear was acquired from someone in the porn movie. [/*]

Politigal posted, though, that LE emailed her back and said Trost is definitely not related to Brianna's case.

gestalt

05-30-2008, 12:36 PM

Where does it say that Trost is excluded? Is it 900 S. Meadows--no.

Rosieo

05-30-2008, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by gestalt
Where does it say that Trost is excluded? Is it 900 S. Meadows--no. [/*]

Oh - maybe I mis-read her post - I'll have to read back - my apologies, I thought she said they told her Trost is definitely not related to Brianna's case, I must've misunderstood.

Rosieo

05-30-2008, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by gestalt
Where does it say that Trost is excluded? Is it 900 S. Meadows--no. [/*]

I just looked back at her post - I did misunderstand - my apologies!!!

Maelstrom5

05-30-2008, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Rosieo

I just looked back at her post - I did misunderstand - my apologies!!! [/*]

LOL Rosieo I know that feeling. There have been so many posts/news stories about Brianna it is hard to keep track of who said what and when.

BTW you guys have done some really good sleuthing in the last couple of days. I don’t know if your Las Vegas rapist is our guy but nothing I have seen here rules him out and a number of things point in his direction.

I have been busy on another thread here as well as doing a profile for ForeverSearching. FS asked me to look at the case of 16 year old Amy Fitzpatrick who went missing 1/1/08 on the coast of Spain. Sadly I think there is a good chance Amy was murdered.

Rosieo

05-30-2008, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Maelstrom5

LOL Rosieo I know that feeling. There have been so many posts/news stories about Brianna it is hard to keep track of who said what and when.

It does get confusing - I need to keep notes LOL

BTW you guys have done some really good sleuthing in the last couple of days. I don’t know if your Las Vegas rapist is our guy but nothing I have seen here rules him out and a number of things point in his direction.

They sure do!

I have been busy on another thread here as well as doing a profile for ForeverSearching. FS asked me to look at the case of 16 year old Amy Fitzpatrick who went missing 1/1/08 on the coast of Spain. Sadly I think there is a good chance Amy was murdered. [/*]

Interesting! I haven't seen that case, I'll google it. (((AMY))):rose:

gestalt

05-30-2008, 05:00 PM

Rosieo -

I thought maybe I had missed something about Trost being eliminated as a suspect. I was asking because there are so many posts. Thanks.

Rosieo

05-30-2008, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by gestalt
Rosieo -

I thought maybe I had missed something about Trost being eliminated as a suspect. I was asking because there are so many posts. Thanks. [/*]

It does get confusing - I'm glad he's not eliminated that we know of - he sure seems to fit!

crimeq

05-30-2008, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by Rosieo

It does get confusing - I'm glad he's not eliminated that we know of - he sure seems to fit! [/*]

It is odd that a statement hasn't been released if he's NOT a suspect in Bri's case. How long would it take to do a DNA comparison test? I know some DNA results take a long time to get back -- but then, I know very little about the process. I'd think (perhaps naively) that it would be a pretty simple matter to rule him out based on DNA.

The porno flick / shaved pubic area really seems to fit ... that's the first "logical" reason I've heard for the perp shaving his privates.

crimeq

05-30-2008, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Rosieo

Thanks, Politigal! It was nice of them to answer. I was really hoping it would be linked - several of these monsters is more frightening than one. [/*]

Good work Politigal. Thanks. :seeya:

Rosieo

05-30-2008, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by crimeq

It is odd that a statement hasn't been released if he's NOT a suspect in Bri's case. How long would it take to do a DNA comparison test? I know some DNA results take a long time to get back -- but then, I know very little about the process. I'd think (perhaps naively) that it would be a pretty simple matter to rule him out based on DNA.

ITA - and of course, I would assume his DNA testing would be a STAT rush - but I don't know much about it either, not sure how long it would take - they were pretty quick to say that the S. Meadows attack was definitely not related, so they must've gotten that DNA pretty quickly.

The porno flick / shaved pubic area really seems to fit ... that's the first "logical" reason I've heard for the perp shaving his privates. [/*]

ITA!

osubbfan

05-31-2008, 08:49 AM

The fact that LE was willing to release this info in an e-mail is even more frustrating to me. Do they believe it isn't newsworthy? Maybe rape and brutalization of women has become so common in Reno it doesn't even make the news?

Both of these perps are especially brutal, one has murdered a young woman and the other tortured and threatened at least one woman....and I think there is a very good chance he would have killed her if not interrupted. Maybe LE doesn't want to highlight the point they have been unable to catch one of these monsters let alone both of them. What about the attack in 2006? At one point they believed it was related to the May assault, so this guy has been free to "do his thing" for 2 years. Is the FBI still involved in Bri's case? Their freedom means the women of Reno have very little...they have to be in fear for their safety 24/7, even in their own homes.

osubbfan

05-31-2008, 11:23 AM

logic- I can't disagree that the system continues to give out slaps on the hand until these people have multiple victims or kill someone. Ask anyone in the mental health field and they will tell you 95% of these perps cannot be rehabilitated...yet they continually let them back out to hurt more people. I personally think this has it's basis in the "blaming the victim" mentality about sexual crimes. Most of the time you will get more time for stealing someone's car then you will if you rape them. It is a wonder that you don't see more vigilante justice when it comes to these freaks.

crimeq

05-31-2008, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by osubbfan
logic- I can't disagree that the system continues to give out slaps on the hand until these people have multiple victims or kill someone. Ask anyone in the mental health field and they will tell you 95% of these perps cannot be rehabilitated...yet they continually let them back out to hurt more people. I personally think this has it's basis in the "blaming the victim" mentality about sexual crimes. Most of the time you will get more time for stealing someone's car then you will if you rape them. It is a wonder that you don't see more vigilante justice when it comes to these freaks. [/*]

I agree totally. Sexual perps are known to be unable to be rehabilitated. It makes me want to look at remedies such as surgery or chemical alteration--seriously--but that won't happen in our male-dominated society. Not male-bashing here, not at all--just saying it the way I think it is.

osubbfan

05-31-2008, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
about the house.....
I need to see where the bedroom was where the girls were sleeping and try to figure out which door the perp came in so he went into the room with Brianna and not the room where the other young women were asleep....

Another rape in Reno, this one of a 13 year old girl:

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080531/NEWS18/80531005&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

They caught the perp and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with Brianna's case... [/*]

The video shows all the doors he could have used. All the doors lead into the area Bri was sleeping in. There is no outside entrance into KT's room.

Hey...good news...they actually caught a sexual perp in Reno...sarcasm font off. :tongue:

Politigal

05-31-2008, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by AngelEyes

Here is a video from FoxNews where Mark Fuhrman did a walk through the house where Brianna was abducted. This aired on Greta Van Sustren's show before they found Brianna. It was also before the 2 sexual assults (possibly 3 with the October assault) before Brianna's abduction were connected to the same POS. Side note: Mark mentions the POS changed his MO so they didn't yet think all the attacks were related, however DNA proved otherwise since the video aired. This video gives a good view of what the house looked like the night Brianna went missing.
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/launchPage.html?012308/012308_greta_fuhrman&Looking%20for%20Clues&On_the_Record&Mark%20Fuhrman%20analyzes%20missing%20Nevada%20coe d%20crime%20scene&On%20The%20Record&-1&Looking%20for%20Clues&Video%20Launch%20Page&Shows&http%3A//media2.foxnews.com/thumbnails/012308_012308_greta_fuhrman_320x240.jpg [/*]

Wow...thx for the video. I had not seen this before & I didn't realize that the glass back door was straight back from the front, thru the kitchen. After viewing this, IMO, the killer definitely took Brianna out that back door, since her blanket was found in the kitchen floor. I noticed in the video that in addition to the 2 male residents (that were in Oakland at the time of Brianna's abduction) that there was another upstairs - female resident who was also gone that night --- her name was Melissa.

Darn I wish I could get last names on the males & and on Melissa.

Rosieo

05-31-2008, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
about the house.....
I need to see where the bedroom was where the girls were sleeping and try to figure out which door the perp came in so he went into the room with Brianna and not the room where the other young women were asleep....

Another rape in Reno, this one of a 13 year old girl:

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080531/NEWS18/80531005&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

They caught the perp and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with Brianna's case... [/*]

Hi Atlantis - on the tape, the girls were sleeping in the room right behind the sofa - the door to the bedroom is just to the right of the sofa.

Rosieo

05-31-2008, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
about the house.....
I need to see where the bedroom was where the girls were sleeping and try to figure out which door the perp came in so he went into the room with Brianna and not the room where the other young women were asleep....

Another rape in Reno, this one of a 13 year old girl:

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080531/NEWS18/80531005&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

They caught the perp and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with Brianna's case... [/*]

I didn't see anything on that link that said it doesn't seem to have anything to do with Bri's case, did you read that elsewhere? That was just a very short article that there was an assault and he was arrested.

Rosieo

05-31-2008, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by osubbfan

The video shows all the doors he could have used. All the doors lead into the area Bri was sleeping in. There is no outside entrance into KT's room.

Hey...good news...they actually caught a sexual perp in Reno...sarcasm font off. :tongue: [/*]

LOL ITA - he must've walked up to LE, said "I did it" and held his hands out for the cuffs. :) My sarcasm font is off too :lol:

Rosieo

05-31-2008, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by Politigal

Wow...thx for the video. I had not seen this before & I didn't realize that the glass back door was straight back from the front, thru the kitchen. After viewing this, IMO, the killer definitely took Brianna out that back door, since her blanket was found in the kitchen floor. I noticed in the video that in addition to the 2 male residents (that were in Oakland at the time of Brianna's abduction) that there was another upstairs - female resident who was also gone that night --- her name was Melissa.

Darn I wish I could get last names on the males & and on Melissa. [/*]

Interesting - it would be great to find last names, I'll dig around :)

I agree - I think he came in the front, took her and walked right through to the back door. I didn't realize how VERY close that sofa is to the front door - I knew it was close, but I didn't realize how close.

osubbfan

05-31-2008, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Rosieo

Interesting - it would be great to find last names, I'll dig around :)

I agree - I think he came in the front, took her and walked right through to the back door. I didn't realize how VERY close that sofa is to the front door - I knew it was close, but I didn't realize how close. [/*]

I agree that he took her out the back door and I also think he likely parked in the alley behind the house...or on the parallel street. I don't know whether he came in through the front door or the sliding glass door, although I think the front door was more concealed due to a tree. I remember hearing LE state they are "certain" he didn't come in through the back door. I wonder what made them so sure? Certain is way beyond it just being logical IMO.

Also, I noticed the laundry room to the left of the kitchen...I've always wondered if that may be where he got the underwear from..but when?

Rosieo

05-31-2008, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by osubbfan

I agree that he took her out the back door and I also think he likely parked in the alley behind the house...or on the parallel street. I don't know whether he came in through the front door or the sliding glass door, although I think the front door was more concealed due to a tree. I remember hearing LE state they are "certain" he didn't come in through the back door. I wonder what made them so sure? Certain is way beyond it just being logical IMO.

It is odd that they can say they're certain, but they must have info they're holding back that makes them sure. ITA about parking in the alley behind the house, where he knew there was less chance of being seen carrying her out.

Also, I noticed the laundry room to the left of the kitchen...I've always wondered if that may be where he got the underwear from..but when? [/*]

He may have gone in the house while they were out that night - or the night before, I'm thinking?

osubbfan

05-31-2008, 07:58 PM

OK folks...here's some interesting info. Here is a link to the UNR Department of Computer Science & Engineering 2005 Senior projects. Look at Team #10...there is an Alvin Go-Tan listed....same name as the guy arrested for sexual assault on the 13 yr. old. Now look at team #14....good 'ole Marc Kellison...aka MCK. What a coincidence...or is it??

CS 426 - Senior Projects (http://www.cse.unr.edu/~sp2005/)

Politigal

05-31-2008, 10:36 PM

We don't really know which door Brianna's killer entered thru. Do we?

Even tho the reports have talked about the view thru the front door....I would think that the perp would most likely have been watching thru the back since it's at the alleyway/drive there, and he would not have been as conspicuous.

Politigal

06-01-2008, 12:02 AM

I was trying to think of the various jobs where one might be out late late or very early, and especially in Brianna's neighborhood.

I noticed that the Reno paper has home delivery 7 days a week and on Saturdays, all papers are delivered by 6:30am

http://www.discountednewspapers.com/homedelivery.html?fZip=89502

I'm curious if police have checked on newspaper delivery guys?

BitterSweet

06-01-2008, 12:38 AM

Has anyone come up with a photo of Go-Tan?

I also had trouble with finding a home address?

I DO think the project find is VERY interesting!

BitterSweet

06-01-2008, 01:22 AM

Just answered my own questions..LOL

Alvin Go-Tan works at IGT
His Address is
421 Ballentyne Way, Reno NV

I found a picture of Alvin

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=6069731&albumID=720554&imageID=11436246

~I found this picture basically by way of the above mentioned "Senior Project"

osubbfan

06-01-2008, 09:55 AM

Great find bittersweet...the coincidences are amazing..check this out-

Go-tan's workplace (http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee127/osubbfan/IGT.jpg?t=1212328434)

However, I'm going to make a risky assumption, based on his name, that Go-Tan is the Asian man in the pic Bittersweet found. Wouldn't LE be able to tell his ethnicity through his DNA?

BitterSweet

06-01-2008, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by osubbfan
Great find bittersweet...the coincidences are amazing..check this out-

Go-tan's workplace (http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee127/osubbfan/IGT.jpg?t=1212328434)

However, I'm going to make a risky assumption, based on his name, that Go-Tan is the Asian man in the pic Bittersweet found. Wouldn't LE be able to tell his ethnicity through his DNA? [/*]

Yes for certain Go-Tan is the asian man in the picture. As the other man is who the profile belongs to.

Also find it interesting that they are all intertwined with the Kellison circle of friends.

Victim description of perp. does not fit Go-Tan.

Although, again I am going back to my KELLISON feeling...
HE TOLD SOMEONE THAT HE WAS HEADING OUT OF TOWN!

IMO - The investigation should focus in on the week prior to Brianna's attack. Looking at EVERY move Kellison made!
Look at every receipt, who he saw, where he went, old school friends he bumped into!
If it walks like a duck..............
nuff said

:D

osubbfan

06-01-2008, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by BitterSweet

<snip>

Also find it interesting that they are all intertwined with the Kellison circle of friends.

Although, again I am going back to my KELLISON feeling...
[/*]

Intertwined they are. The guy who posted the pic of himself and Go-Tan also works in that area.

Worksites (http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee127/osubbfan/323.jpg?t=1212335243)
I am just posting that to show how it seems that it isn't unusual for UNR computer dept. alums to work in that particular area. I'm NOT placing any suspicion on anyone in particular. However, you may be on to something Bittersweet. ;)

Rosieo

06-01-2008, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by osubbfan
OK folks...here's some interesting info. Here is a link to the UNR Department of Computer Science & Engineering 2005 Senior projects. Look at Team #10...there is an Alvin Go-Tan listed....same name as the guy arrested for sexual assault on the 13 yr. old. Now look at team #14....good 'ole Marc Kellison...aka MCK. What a coincidence...or is it??

CS 426 - Senior Projects (http://www.cse.unr.edu/~sp2005/) [/*]

VERY interesting!

Rosieo

06-01-2008, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by BitterSweet

Yes for certain Go-Tan is the asian man in the picture. As the other man is who the profile belongs to.

Also find it interesting that they are all intertwined with the Kellison circle of friends.

Victim description of perp. does not fit Go-Tan.

Although, again I am going back to my KELLISON feeling...
HE TOLD SOMEONE THAT HE WAS HEADING OUT OF TOWN!

IMO - The investigation should focus in on the week prior to Brianna's attack. Looking at EVERY move Kellison made!
Look at every receipt, who he saw, where he went, old school friends he bumped into!
If it walks like a duck..............
nuff said

:D [/*]

ITA!!!

Rosieo

06-01-2008, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=231057200 [/*]

When I looked at his profile before, it was public and he's a pig, IMO - another one with zero respect for women, and a lot of talk about how he drank so much he blacked out the whole weekend one weekend and didn't remember a thing, etc. HEAVY partier and no respect at all for women - the general attitude in his and his buddies' comments was we're all tramps to be used. Odd that he has on there "Mood: Anxious."

Rosieo

06-01-2008, 12:55 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BitterSweet

Yes for certain Go-Tan is the asian man in the picture. As the other man is who the profile belongs to.

Also find it interesting that they are all intertwined with the Kellison circle of friends.

Victim description of perp. does not fit Go-Tan.

Although, again I am going back to my KELLISON feeling...
HE TOLD SOMEONE THAT HE WAS HEADING OUT OF TOWN!

I got behind here - was he not really out of town that weekend??

BitterSweet

06-01-2008, 01:45 PM

There are two male roommates. Both were in Oakland, California at the time of that Saturday night and Sunday morning of the discovery of Brianna missing.
quote: from Mark Fuhrman

Rosieo

06-01-2008, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by BitterSweet
There are two male roommates. Both were in Oakland, California at the time of that Saturday night and Sunday morning of the discovery of Brianna missing.
quote: from Mark Fuhrman [/*]

I thought they were - I got confused - thanks!

BitterSweet

06-01-2008, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
http://www.cse.unr.edu/~dta/sp2005/T10_P1.doc [/*]

thank you Atlantis

osubbfan

06-02-2008, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080601/NEWS18/80601013&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews [/*]

I love the reader comments on this article...
"Oh look! I see it now!! The Giant Placebo of Safety!!!"

"A blue whistle with the police phone number on it. That should make everyone feel safe."
:lol:

BitterSweet

06-02-2008, 04:44 PM

MY HEART IS POUNDING ON THIS ONE...
I will explain....

In 2000 IGT released the Pink Panther Gaming Machine.
I read about it months back. It always did interest me.
*Was there a release party?
*Promotional Items?
*Did someone from the IGT project's significant other buy the Pink Panther panties as a joke or surprise for hard working sig. other.

So again we talk about IGT, MK, the "intertwined" computer science field etc.
*Again I go back to reading about the Pink Panther IGT project and WHO's NAME is on the project but one of the 2 of
MK's partners from
the senior project...

*I Will not post the name but here is the link.
***NOTE WORTHY..THIS IS A COMMON NAME.. and may not be the same person, but very INTERESTING!

Tell me what you all think?

http://www.commercialalert.org/issues/culture/gambling/nevada-regulators-move-against-cartoon-themed-slot-machines

BitterSweet

06-02-2008, 06:18 PM

The above mentioned name Brian Mckay who was a part of the Pink Panther Manufactured Machines by IGT, is a prominent Reno citizen.

My feeling is the Senior Project was worked on by his son, by the same name. As I have found it to be a family name.

This man who worked on the project is 60plus years old and retired from IGT.

Does he even have a son?
Is his son working there?

If he did have a son his son would (possibly) go by the same name as his father. As I understand it is a family name.

All of this I do not know.

The whole thing just baffles me?
*shot in the dark...maybe...ironic..absolutely!

osubbfan

06-02-2008, 06:44 PM

I sure hope LE has looked into this. It is a HUGE coincidence if nothing else.

I also wonder how they were able to arrest Go-Tan so quickly...what was their evidence? Had they been "on to" him before? As always, there is a sexual assault WITH an arrest and absolutely no media coverage. Is this guy still in custody? What are they holding him on? Has he admitted or denied the offense? It is frigging unbelievable that the people of Reno allow this lack of information to go on, especially when the victim was a child in this case.

When John Walsh was saying he was shocked there hadn't been an arrest in this case I thought he was being a bit harsh. However, I am beginning to fall on that side of the fence. This game of "I've Got a Secret" with every sexual assault in the city is beginning to wear thin...instead we get articles about the police presence on campus...how bogus. :flamemad:

BitterSweet

06-02-2008, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by AngelEyes
Good work BitterSweet. :beer:
VERY interesting info you found and it definitely should be looked into by LE.
Here is a MySpace profile for a Brian McKay in Reno:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=33315319 [/*]

Thank you Angel Eyes

LE has been informed.
When it comes to contact with LE. What do you all think is the best form? email, phone, fax?

osubbfan

06-02-2008, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by BitterSweet

When it comes to contact with LE. What do you all think is the best form? email, phone, fax? [/*]

I'm not sure but when you find out maybe you ought to let the media know too!! :D

crimeq

06-02-2008, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
of mine who is missing...
It took a couple of weeks to get a response from LE.....

I think there may be a tipline on the City of Reno webpage.....so call that....

from the bring bri back webpage:

Click here to read the updated Police Bulletin.

Click here to download a PDF of the updated Police Bulletin.

Police and family are asking for the public’s help in finding Brianna's killer. Anyone with information is urged to call:

Reno Police Hot Line: (775) 745-3521
Reno Detectives: (775) 334-2115
Secret Witness: (775) 322-4900

Secret Witness is offering a $2,500 reward for anonymous tips that lead to an arrest and prosecution. [/*]

I didn't see the Secret Witness reward information on the Bring Bri Justice website--unless I missed it. I think it should be prominently featured there.

Where else could the reward information be posted--on facebook somehow? Myspace? Someplace where all kinds of people could be made aware of it?

JMO

BTW there is some FANTASTIC sleuthing going on here! Great work!

crimeq

06-02-2008, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by osubbfan

I'm not sure but when you find out maybe you ought to let the media know too!! :D [/*]

The National Enquirer gets a really bad rap (and I don't buy it or read it) BUT I know they pay their reporters more than any other publication; they stringently vet their stories to prevent libel suits; and they are perhaps the only publication left in our society that does true investigative reporting.

Maybe down the road ... ???

gestalt

06-02-2008, 11:36 PM

Remember when the person from WS traced to the store where the pink panther underwear was sold? He/she said it was Kohl's.

BTW, you guys have done amazing research.

I wonder though, can you get in trouble for mentioning names on here?

osubbfan

06-03-2008, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
out of it..tell LE and Bri's family about what you have found and then we wait.:patriot: [/*]

I should have put my sarcasm font on, that was easily misunderstood. I was meaning to be sarcastic about the fact the media hasn't figured out the best way to get in touch with LE either. :cuss:

osubbfan

06-03-2008, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS

<snip>
as for Mckay, his father/grandfather was a big wig in the company that hired grads from UNR. Other than knowing the others from school and work nothing adverse has been said about him...
<snip>
[/*]

Not only is the assumed father/grandfather a big wig in the company but if I'm not mistaken he is also the former Attorney General of Nevada. Grandfather/great grandfather was the CEO of IBM. We're talking a lot of money and influence in that family.

I wonder if they are distancing themselves from their employee Go-Tan? If he was hired due to any relationship with the younger BMc then, adult or not, I'd be sitting my kid down and discussing his choice in friends. Not that I'm assuming Go-tan is guilty of anything...we don't know enough about the crime he is accused of to make any judgment one way or the other.

gestalt

06-03-2008, 11:30 AM

It said in the news article about the attack on the 13 year old, that Go-Tan is 37 years old. I thought he was younger.

gestalt

06-03-2008, 11:51 AM

In the beginning of our discussion on this board, I thought it important to find out what businesses were located surrounding the place she was found and also ventured a guess that he could be someone who is in the business of manufacturing or installing slot machines for the casinos. Now we know of one company...

BitterSweet

06-03-2008, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by osubbfan

Not only is the assumed father/grandfather a big wig in the company but if I'm not mistaken he is also the former Attorney General of Nevada. Grandfather/great grandfather was the CEO of IBM. We're talking a lot of money and influence in that family.

I wonder if they are distancing themselves from their employee Go-Tan? If he was hired due to any relationship with the younger BMc then, adult or not, I'd be sitting my kid down and discussing his choice in friends. Not that I'm assuming Go-tan is guilty of anything...we don't know enough about the crime he is accused of to make any judgment one way or the other. [/*]

For the record I have made no connection between the "senior project" BMc and the BMc senior.
May just be an extremely odd coincidence??:shrug:

osubbfan

06-03-2008, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by BitterSweet

For the record I have made no connection between the "senior project" BMc and the BMc senior.
May just be an extremely odd coincidence??:shrug: [/*]

This isn't a court of law and we are allowed to speculate as long as we don't lie about people. Saying someone may be the son of someone isn't slanderous IMO. To sum up what we know to be true..
-Someone named Alvin Go-tan was arrested for sexually assaulting a 13 y.o.
- Someone named Alvin Go-tan was in the same class as Marc Kellison, who used to live, or presently lives, in the house Bri was abducted from.
-Someone named Alvin Go-tan works/worked at IGT, which is about 250 yards from where Bri's body was found.
-Someone named Brian McKay was in the same class as Kellison and Go-tan...and on the same project team as Kellison.
-Someone named Brian McKay is a big wig at IGT, which made a Pink Panther gaming machine...and employed Go-tan.
-Someone named David Tyson was in the same computer class, posted a pic of himself and Go-tan and also works down the street from where Bri's body was found.

It may be coincidence or mean nothing in regard to this case. However, it is worth discussing.

BitterSweet

06-03-2008, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by osubbfan

This isn't a court of law and we are allowed to speculate as long as we don't lie about people. Saying someone may be the son of someone isn't slanderous IMO. To sum up what we know to be true..
-Someone named Alvin Go-tan was arrested for sexually assaulting a 13 y.o.
- Someone named Alvin Go-tan was in the same class as Marc Kellison, who used to live, or presently lives, in the house Bri was abducted from.
-Someone named Alvin Go-tan works/worked at IGT, which is about 250 yards from where Bri's body was found.
-Someone named Brian McKay was in the same class as Kellison and Go-tan...and on the same project team as Kellison.
-Someone named Brian McKay is a big wig at IGT, which made a Pink Panther gaming machine...and employed Go-tan.
-Someone named David Tyson was in the same computer class, posted a pic of himself and Go-tan and also works down the street from where Bri's body was found.

It may be coincidence or mean nothing in regard to this case. However, it is worth discussing. [/*]

Amen Osubban!
Lets not forget both Tyson and MK have or had PUBLIC Myspace profiles. Myspace profiles may be either private or public, public profiles can be accessed by anyone on the web.
:beer:

BitterSweet

06-03-2008, 10:10 PM

GREAT POINT ATLANTIS!

Also wondering if anyone can find out if BMc has a son and his name?
I have had no luck.

I believe it is
D. *. Mckay

D- standing for?

Rosieo

06-03-2008, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by BitterSweet
MY HEART IS POUNDING ON THIS ONE...
I will explain....

In 2000 IGT released the Pink Panther Gaming Machine.
I read about it months back. It always did interest me.
*Was there a release party?
*Promotional Items?
*Did someone from the IGT project's significant other buy the Pink Panther panties as a joke or surprise for hard working sig. other.

So again we talk about IGT, MK, the "intertwined" computer science field etc.
*Again I go back to reading about the Pink Panther IGT project and WHO's NAME is on the project but one of the 2 of
MK's partners from
the senior project...

*I Will not post the name but here is the link.
***NOTE WORTHY..THIS IS A COMMON NAME.. and may not be the same person, but very INTERESTING!

Tell me what you all think?

http://www.commercialalert.org/issues/culture/gambling/nevada-regulators-move-against-cartoon-themed-slot-machines [/*]
I have to agree, this is VERY freaky...this would be an awfully big coincidence!

BitterSweet

06-04-2008, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by Rosieo

I have to agree, this is VERY freaky...this would be an awfully big coincidence! [/*]

<<<out..emotionally.

JMO.. I will no longer feed the perps (deflated) ego.

When I READ NOTHING ABOUT LE hunting him down?

:rose: Justice is on its way Bri!

osubbfan

06-04-2008, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by BitterSweet
GREAT POINT ATLANTIS!

Also wondering if anyone can find out if BMc has a son and his name?
I have had no luck.

I believe it is
D. *. Mckay

D- standing for? [/*]

I think D stands for Dean. I was able to find a Brian McKay in Reno-63 years old-possible relatives-

Karen McKay-age 61
Francis McKay- age 87
Brian *- age not listed
For whatever reason it gives the * sign for the capital (*)
dang it...it is Brian Bee...not the kind that buzzes and stings...this is likely the younger Brian:shrug:

Politigal

06-04-2008, 03:06 PM

"God loves you Reno"

http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/BPnews.asp?ID=28171

The Westboro group said the murder occurred because "God hates Reno," as their infamous signs proclaimed. Local media outlets interviewed several religious leaders in Reno to ask what residents should make of the Westboro messages.

"All the pastors and the religious leaders said was, 'These people are idiots. These people are nuts,'" Stewart said.

Rosieo

06-04-2008, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Politigal
"God loves you Reno"

http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/BPnews.asp?ID=28171

The Westboro group said the murder occurred because "God hates Reno," as their infamous signs proclaimed. Local media outlets interviewed several religious leaders in Reno to ask what residents should make of the Westboro messages.

"All the pastors and the religious leaders said was, 'These people are idiots. These people are nuts,'" Stewart said. [/*]

That they are, and they do it all in the name of religion. Sickening.

osubbfan

06-04-2008, 04:30 PM

I never did get a response from the reporter I e-mailed eons ago, but I believe he was reporting out of Vegas, not Reno...I realized this after I sent the e-mail. The reporter in Reno who has written most of the articles on this case is Frank X. Mullen Jr.. The brief about the assault on the 13 y.o. had a staff byline. Anyway, if anyone wants to write to him and see if we can get some answers about why no further info on ANY of the assaults (including the status of Go-tan) then join in by writing to Mullen at Frank X. Mullen Jr. (fmullen@rgj.com)

osubbfan

06-04-2008, 07:37 PM

These attitudes lead to this behavior...no doubt in my mind.

'In Nevada, domestic violence is a major factor in the overall crime rate, with the Silver State having more female violent deaths per capita than any other state.'

Nevada Leads Nation In Number Of Women Killed (http://www.nevadaobserver.com/News%20Story%20Top.htm)

Rosieo

06-04-2008, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by osubbfan
These attitudes lead to this behavior...no doubt in my mind.

'In Nevada, domestic violence is a major factor in the overall crime rate, with the Silver State having more female violent deaths per capita than any other state.'

Nevada Leads Nation In Number Of Women Killed (http://www.nevadaobserver.com/News%20Story%20Top.htm) [/*]

Totally agree! It perpetuates the "all women are pigs" attitude that some men seem to have. :flamemad:

BitterSweet

06-04-2008, 11:48 PM

RGJ ... response which I applaud[/*]

"security STILL (?) high"

"Well I would hope so seeing last time UNR was not in session .....
a young woman named Brianna Denison was taken in the middle of the night and thrown dead by the side of a road...like garbage!

IS THIS ARTICLE FOR REAL?

We Don't Need to know what woman on Campus are doing to keep safe!
We need to know what Reno PD is doing to KEEP THEM Safe?!"

BitterSweet

06-05-2008, 12:52 AM

[ Now we know of one company... [/*][/QUOTE]

Also Bally's Technology

BitterSweet

06-05-2008, 10:45 AM

Here is a google map with IGT and a few other Gaming Supply Businesses, located where Brianna's body was found.

http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GFRC_en___US206&q=9300+Prototype+Dr,+Reno,+NV+89521,+USA&um=1&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title

Take a look at this 24 hour Operation VSR Industries which services Casinos. Interesting Outfit?[/*]

http://www.vsrindustries.com/services/

Rosieo

06-07-2008, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
whhttp://bobonit-news.blogspot.com/2008/02/brianna-dennison-latest-suspect.html [/*]

That's odd - I never heard possibly Latino before, nor that it was a Chevy or GMC - very strange!

BitterSweet

06-07-2008, 10:55 PM

Where is everyone?

I was just on Websleuths...
they also find the G-tan M.K. connection very interesting.

Great sleuthing all...don't give up!
:rose: Justice soon Bri

Rosieo

06-07-2008, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by BitterSweet
Where is everyone?

I was just on Websleuths...
they also find the G-tan M.K. connection very interesting.

Great sleuthing all...don't give up!
:rose: Justice soon Bri [/*]

I haven't read over there, I'll have to pop over there and check it out - it is interesting - awfully coincidental. I'm sad to see the board getting slower - I hope the case isn't fading into the background as so often happens :(

BitterSweet

06-08-2008, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by Rosieo

I'm sad to see the board getting slower - I hope the case isn't fading into the background as so often happens :( [/*]

As well Rosieo.

None the less we have all done some great work here.

:rose: Justice Soon Bri

Rosieo

06-08-2008, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by BitterSweet

As well Rosieo.

None the less we have all done some great work here.

:rose: Justice Soon Bri [/*]

I agree! There have been some awesome discussions, theories and ideas thrown out there. I can't believe it's June already and NOTHING :(

BitterSweet

06-08-2008, 01:43 AM

myspace PUBLIC comments[/*]

The following are MK's comments on Public Myspace Domains... for whatever it's worth?

http://www.myspace.com/namit

http://www.myspace.com/schelebean

http://www.myspace.com/shootntheshiz

Politigal

06-08-2008, 12:22 PM

here I go....changing the subject again....

These photos were previously posted about (from Websleuths) - but I was looking again and this one really stuck out like a sore thumb IMO.

http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q58/fxstsi/?action=view&current=miscpictures2008141.jpg

Notice how the house at 1395 Mackay (where Brianna was abducted) sits on a lot that declines from College Dr. And, notice the *rocks.* IMO, it appears those rocks would have obstructed the view from someone just driving down College St.

IMO, whoever the killer is - most likely came from that drive behind the house, and that's how he saw Brianna.

Here's the photo of the rear drive.

http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q58/fxstsi/?action=view&current=miscpictures2008140.jpg

Politigal

06-08-2008, 12:44 PM

the drive behind the Mackay home leads to 330 College.

But there is another building that adjoins the drive that I can't find the address for, there on College.

According to Washoe County property records, it is a rental unit with 4 bdrms and 4 baths.

Here's the property map.

http://tinyurl.com/5k9al3

Click the zoom button to zoom in and see more detail

Rosieo

06-08-2008, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by Politigal
the drive behind the Mackay home leads to 330 College.

But there is another building that adjoins the drive that I can't find the address for, there on College.

According to Washoe County property records, it is a rental unit with 4 bdrms and 4 baths.

Here's the property map.

http://tinyurl.com/5k9al3

Click the zoom button to zoom in and see more detail [/*]

Interesting! ITA, it does seem the most likely is the rear drive.

BitterSweet

06-09-2008, 06:27 PM

As far as IGT when the pink panther machines came out they did have booths at gaming conventions around the country where, apparently they gave away some promotional items.I haven't been able to find online what those items were though. [/*][/QUOTE]

Very Intersting!

There was such a debate about the "cartoon themed" gaming machines, such as Pink Panther put out by IGT.
*The issue was somewhat similiar to Joe Camel.. Appeal to children.

My thought was possibly the IGT Marketing team found the logo on various items as a defense strategy - SUCH AS ..
EXTRA SMALL PINK PANTHER THONG UNDERWEAR!

BitterSweet

06-09-2008, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS

Your sarcasm is showing...smile.......

[/*]

Sorry Atlantis..did I offend you? Just adding to possible theory.

Rosieo

06-10-2008, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
I applaud the fine effort you have made in your researching this case.
I feel some frustration, not with you, but with the fact the Reno police don't seem to be making any headway.
This case really needs a break.
It needs someone who knows who is keeping quiet to come forward and expose the killer.
How do you get someone to do that ?
If I was speaking to someone who knew something...I would tell them I don't care about their morals.I am not here to judge them.I don't think the police and prosecutors would judge them either.I am not someone who cares what someone else thinks about me anyway.....and I would tell this person who knows something about this case not to care what others say about him or her.
What I would say is put yourself in Brianna's shoes. Do you, the person who knows something, really believe she deserved this ?
I would say she certainly did not deserve it.No one does. So how can someone sit there and know something and just sit there while this young woman's soul cries out for justice.
So that is what is needed.Justice. Someone has to find it in their heart to see that justice is what is required from them.

anyway, my soapbox.....:rose: [/*]

Well said, Atlantis. And someone DOES know something about this case....they know the perp or suspect that someone they know could be the perp. There's no way I believe that no-one knows and is just not calling it in. As you said so well, Brianna's soul cries out for justice - she deserves at least that much, as does her family.

BitterSweet

06-10-2008, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
I applaud the fine effort you have made in your researching this case.
I feel some frustration, not with you, but with the fact the Reno police don't seem to be making any headway.
This case really needs a break.
It needs someone who knows who is keeping quiet to come forward and expose the killer.
How do you get someone to do that ?
If I was speaking to someone who knew something...I would tell them I don't care about their morals.I am not here to judge them.I don't think the police and prosecutors would judge them either.I am not someone who cares what someone else thinks about me anyway.....and I would tell this person who knows something about this case not to care what others say about him or her.
What I would say is put yourself in Brianna's shoes. Do you, the person who knows something, really believe she deserved this ?
I would say she certainly did not deserve it.No one does. So how can someone sit there and know something and just sit there while this young woman's soul cries out for justice.
So that is what is needed.Justice. Someone has to find it in their heart to see that justice is what is required from them.

anyway, my soapbox.....:rose: [/*]

I could not agree more Atlantis.

Also, I understand your frustration with the case, or rather lack of break in this case.

I myself feel the same.

:rose: Justice soon Bri!

Rosieo

06-10-2008, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by AngelEyes

Someone out there has got to know something or suspect something. I can't believe the POS would be that much of a loner to not know anyone at all or even not have family. Maybe an SO or an ex-wife or girlfriend, perhaps even a parent. They may not know for sure but they may know something, even something small that could be the break in this case. Looking at the pictures that were sent in of the house where Bri was taken from I am shocked that nobody saw anything at all that night as well. I can't believe whoever this POS is has gotten away with murder and rape and absolutely no witnesses saw him at all and even his family, friends and perhaps SO have not even come forward with any information that we know of. It saddens me so much that Bri's family has had to wait so long for word on who took away sweet Bri. The total lack of LE's public relations has me saddened too, for both Bri's family and the women of Reno who deserve to be kept informed that an extremely dangerous killer/rapist, possibly 2 are on the loose. Hopefully justice will be coming soon. :rose: [/*]

ITA, angeleyes - someone knows something. I think our mind's natural defense mechanism is to disregard when we have a thought like that, "oh, how silly, it couldn't be Joe." Yes, it could be. I can't even imagine what her mother, brother, extended family and friends are going through, with no justice and no word. When LE clams up like this, like in the Leah Hickman case, I can't help but think they have nothing and they're hoping it will just fade into the background. It never will in my mind, I'll be following this case until someday, somehow, the POS is caught and brought to justice.

BitterSweet

06-10-2008, 06:41 AM

Found this interesting..

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/mostpopular/16547341/detail.html

gestalt

06-10-2008, 09:50 AM

Yes, I find that interesting and also one of the companion stories, link at bottom, about the guy who tried to abduct the jogger. The sketch, IMO, looks almost exactly like that guy who tried to abduct the woman in Reno who was walking home.

gestalt

06-10-2008, 09:58 AM

Here's the link:

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/13901057/detail.html

gestalt

06-10-2008, 10:09 AM

Searching archives:

Here's something interesting as well

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/1997/12/12/MN162.DTL&hw=abducting&sn=038&sc=339

gestalt

06-10-2008, 11:07 AM

I've concluded that the sketches can look like any number of perpetrators. This sketch looks like the man arrested for the attempted abduction of the woman walking home AND Edwin Hall, who was already arrested for murdering Kelsey Smith:

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/13901057/detail.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelsey_Smith

I can't find the article on the arrest for the attempted abduction near Reno.

I think I'm going to have to take a break.

Rosieo

06-10-2008, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by gestalt
Searching archives:

Here's something interesting as well

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/1997/12/12/MN162.DTL&hw=abducting&sn=038&sc=339 [/*]

Oh, how sick that a woman was in on this with him! This just goes against nature. Bad enough that a man does it, but have that natural instinct to protect children - normal women, at least. And it sounds like they were responsible for a lot more than they've been charged with yet. SICK.

Rosieo

06-10-2008, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by AngelEyes

ITA! How horrifying. I never heard of such a thing where a woman is involved like that. Like you said, most women have a natural maternal instinct and to think that she would willingly participate in such crimes is disgusting and appalling. barf

Regarding Bri I am wondering why LE has not come out and at least told us if they looked into that rapist in Las Vegas, Roy Trost and let us know whether or not there is a link with his DNA to Bri's case. Since he was arrested May 21st I would think the DNA results should be back by now. At least them coming out and saying whether they have eliminated him as a suspect would at least let the public know they are still working hard to find Bri's killer. The total silence from them makes it seem like they are just letting it go cold. The last announcement on the Reno Police Dept. website was on April 4. Why the silence? I can't figure out a good reason for them to not at least talk with the media maybe once a week or so and inform the women of Reno to be on the lookout. It also might help refresh peoples memories too and someone might remember something. They don't necessarily have to give out any new information just be respectful and friendly with the public about how active and determined they are is all and to get awareness out there. I hope to God they have more information than us in the public do and they have their reasons for being quiet but I am losing confidence in how LE is being so quiet and the local citizens must be as well. :flamemad: JMO
Okay off my soapbox now. [/*]

I am too, Angeleyes - before I thought there must be a good reason and I felt so sure they would get him - so much time has gone by now, I'm not so sure any more. :(

BitterSweet

06-13-2008, 01:30 AM

ATLANTIS?[/*]

I don't get your post?

Was this a UNR computer science project?

:shrug:

BitterSweet

06-13-2008, 09:56 PM

Thanks Atlantis...
I followed that and DO know who you are referring to.

As the saying goes "you are the company you keep".[/*]

Rosieo

06-13-2008, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
if he is and sincerely wants to be an FBI agent then more power to him and I wish him good luck.

http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080613/NEWS18/80613066&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

A 44-year-old convicted sex offender on parole for a 1982 rape and attempted murder of a Minden teen was arrested Friday on charges he raped, kidnapped and robbed two Reno women between November 2006 and May, in cases police described as chilling.

I wonder if he did the rapes in South Reno.I will have to check. [/*]

I wonder if it is the guy -I noticed it said he wears masks and in one instance, used a gun -I'd like to get all excited and hope it's Bri's killer and they've got him, but I've done that too many times :(

BitterSweet

06-13-2008, 11:55 PM

Check him out on the National list..could be?

Also a Sean Lange, I do not know if there is any relation?
JMO...hope Sean has been DNA tested.

BitterSweet

06-14-2008, 12:10 AM

Lange may be guilty of the "South" incident...but DNA does not like him to Bri.

http://blogs.rgj.com/crime/

BitterSweet

06-14-2008, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by Rosieo

I'd like to get all excited and hope it's Bri's killer and they've got him, but I've done that too many times :( [/*]

As well Rosieo...
:mad:

BitterSweet

06-14-2008, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
although there are some people I know who thought SRR, as I call him, was also Bri's murderer.
I didn't think he was because of the robbery element of his crimes.The guy who killed Brianna is a rapist not a robber in my opinion.
Oh well...I hoped I was wrong though...:shrug: [/*]

At least Reno LE is arresting someone.

osubbfan

06-14-2008, 06:19 AM

Originally posted by BitterSweet

At least Reno LE is arresting someone. [/*]

That is good news. It also gives them more time and attention to put towards finding Bri's killer.

BitterSweet

06-14-2008, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=268381710

I feel sorry for his wife and child but not him...... [/*]

GREAT Find!

Lange is a convicted sex offender.
Is having a myspace account a violation of his parol?
The whole myspace/sex offender issue is confusing to me.

I know myspace tries to remove offenders...
missed one!

BitterSweet

06-15-2008, 01:09 AM

wow...that was fast[/*]

I did look at that late last night and had the same feeling about connections. The Rancher/Horse connection sounded all too familiar.
:read:

Wow Atlantis..who deleted his account if he is in custody.:shrug:
That is odd.

concerned

06-15-2008, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by BitterSweet
wow...that was fast[/*]

I did look at that late last night and had the same feeling about connections. The Rancher/Horse connection sounded all too familiar.
:read:

Wow Atlantis..who deleted his account if he is in custody.:shrug:
That is odd. [/*]

Here's the wife's acct...I remembered her name from looking at his site :)

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=256209317

Politigal

06-15-2008, 12:35 PM

the Google cache of Lange's myspace is still available:

http://tinyurl.com/67jkez

concerned

06-15-2008, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by AngelEyes

I notice at the top her mood is "mad" ....I wonder who she is mad at? LE for arresting her hubby? Or mad at her hubby for what he did? Her photo has just him and the daughter and there are more in her albums. [/*]

Yes, I bet she is, lol....she had the "mad" mood yesturday too. I, for one, wouldn't want that picture up with my child if I had just found out what her father had done.

concerned

06-15-2008, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
She probably doesn't like us looking at her and her daughter's pictures on myspace either....

Trost was in court last week...

http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/16563869/detail.html

I wonder if Trost and Lange could have ever met through their fondness of horses...... [/*]

Well, all she would have to do is set her myspace to private and that would cure that ya know? As far as Trost...I was wondering that exact thing about their "cowboy" images...

Rosieo

06-15-2008, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by Politigal
the Google cache of Lange's myspace is still available:

http://tinyurl.com/67jkez [/*]

How odd that it says on his myspace he's single.......

Rosieo

06-15-2008, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by AngelEyes
Happy Father's Day Everyone! :beer:
I hope that you all have a wonderful day surrounded by family and friends. Those of you with fathers
in Heaven may you have a day filled
with wonderful thoughts and memories. I am not celebrating today as I never knew my father however I have wonderful memories of my grandfather and think of him on this day. [/*]

(((ANGELEYES) Hope you have a good day! We did our Father's Day yesterday, since my FIL was here from out of town and had to return today. My father's been gone for many years now, but my FIL is like a father to me. Happy Father's day to all you guys out there!

osubbfan

06-15-2008, 04:25 PM

The perp's description released by LE following the May incident...
The man is described by police as a white male in his mid 20's, approximately five foot seven, with bushy, brown hair.
scumbag (http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee127/osubbfan/17862-779083.jpg)
Not even close. Guess that is an example of why they say eye witness accounts are so unreliable. I would venture to bet that they didn't find this POS based on this description.

osubbfan

06-15-2008, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
<snip>
He's an aries, if you follow astrology. So am I....smile...:rolleyes: [/*]

The boy who was my first heartbreak was an Aries. Actually, he kinda had the same smirky smile Lange has in his mug shot. Thankfully my taste in men has improved with age. :cool: Atlantis- I hope the female version has a more likable grin. :D

crimeq

06-15-2008, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by concerned

Here's the wife's acct...I remembered her name from looking at his site :)

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=256209317 [/*]

From a comment on her myspace acct, it looks like she may be Wiccan.

Nov 26 2007 3:43 PM

Amy, I hope you have a killer birthday. Happy birthday and warmest and most Blessed wishes from the Goddess to you. Blessed Be.

Tiffany

BitterSweet

06-16-2008, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
if she is a wiccan...I think she must be heartbroken......

I hope they post more about it tomorrow.... [/*]

Altlantis is there a connection betweet this case and the Wiccan following?

This article is upsetting and horrific. Reminds me of why I was drawn to Brianna's case.....

A horrific crime where someones daughter, sister, niece was treated like trash and thrown by the side of the road.
I will fight like hell for you Bri!
:rose:

crimeq

06-16-2008, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
if she is a wiccan...I think she must be heartbroken......

I saw this:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/comments?type=story&id=5172762

It probably isn't related to Brianna's case...but the perp drove a pick up and had a child that he killed...in a truly horrific fashion.And Turlock is only about 200 miles from Reno, if I looked it up correctly...
I hope they post more about it tomorrow.... [/*]

Of course it's not damning. It was just an observation and yes, if she is Wiccan, I'm sure she is heartbroken.

BitterSweet

06-16-2008, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by crimeq

Of course it's not damning. It was just an observation and yes, if she is Wiccan, I'm sure she is heartbroken. [/*]

Sorry crimeq I was confused about who you were referring to?
I think it is an interesting observation.

crimeq

06-18-2008, 03:14 AM

Originally posted by BitterSweet

Sorry crimeq I was confused about who you were referring to?
I think it is an interesting observation. [/*]

No problem -- I, too, thought it was interesting. We cannot know for sure that his wife is wiccan, but we can assume that one of her friends is, and relates it easily in communication to her.

I know that wicca is good and not bad, so I wonder about the dynamics of how the wife (if wiccan) ended up with the rapist ...

BitterSweet

06-18-2008, 09:13 AM

Just wondering if there has been any comment by Bri's Family in relation to the Criminal Investigation?

I was unable to find a recent editorial?

BitterSweet

06-18-2008, 09:20 AM

SORRY ...ALL OVER THE PLACE THIS AM...

CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT...
Lange SURE sounds like our PERP!

http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080618/NEWS01/806180438/1004/NEWS19

concerned

06-18-2008, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by BitterSweet
SORRY ...ALL OVER THE PLACE THIS AM...

CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT...
Lange SURE sounds like our PERP!

http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080618/NEWS01/806180438/1004/NEWS19 [/*]

So could this be Bri's killer though??? All things point to him, but wouldn't his DNA have been in the system? I think i'm more confused?? His young daughter could explain the "shoe" too....ugh!!

BitterSweet

06-18-2008, 09:37 AM

Link shows directions from Lange's residence to Mackay court...
6.3 miles

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=5495+Lani+Cir,+Sun+Valley,+NV+89433&geocode=&dirflg=&daddr=1395+mackay+court&f=d&sll=39.594975,-119.776468&sspn=0.006978,0.018711&ie=UTF8&z=12

concerned

06-18-2008, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by BitterSweet
Link shows directions from Lange's residence to Mackay court...
6.3 miles

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=5495+Lani+Cir,+Sun+Valley,+NV+89433&geocode=&dirflg=&daddr=1395+mackay+court&f=d&sll=39.594975,-119.776468&sspn=0.006978,0.018711&ie=UTF8&z=12 [/*]

Thanks! That's exactly what I was looking for;)

Politigal

06-18-2008, 09:53 AM

Police still say there is no evidence linking Lange to Brianna's case.

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8491022

Police say there is no forensic evidence that links this case to the Denison murder investigation.

BitterSweet

06-18-2008, 10:02 AM

Concerned...

Past reports claim that Lange has been eliminated as a suspect in the Brianna Denison case.

Although, I do not see that comment in this recent article.

Hoping and praying evidence is re-examined and this is our guy.

I guess we just wait.

crimeq

06-18-2008, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by BitterSweet
SORRY ...ALL OVER THE PLACE THIS AM...

CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT...
Lange SURE sounds like our PERP!

http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080618/NEWS01/806180438/1004/NEWS19 [/*]

Wow -- he shaved his body before attacking -- visited the victim at her workplace the day before the attack, and knew her plans the day of the attack -- :confused: -- rape kit -- there wasn't anything spontaneous about this guy's attacks and I bet there are more that we don't know about.

What a creep and I'm glad he's off the streets.

BitterSweet

06-18-2008, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by Politigal
Police still say there is no evidence linking Lange to Brianna's case.

[/*]

"Police STILL say"

Politigal are you referring to the June 14th article? STILL[/*]

I am unable to find the reference to...
"Police STILL say there is no evidence linking Lange to Brianna's case"?

Politigal

06-18-2008, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by BitterSweet

"Police STILL say"

Politigal are you referring to the June 14th article? STILL[/*]

I am unable to find the reference to...
"Police STILL say there is no evidence linking Lange to Brianna's case"? [/*]

I had previously posted that a Reno detective responded to my email a couple wks ago and said the 900 S Meadows rape was not linked to Brianna's case ...period.

And this June 14th article also says there is no link between Lange & Brianna's case.

ruby

06-18-2008, 01:44 PM

:rose:

concerned

06-18-2008, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Politigal

I had previously posted that a Reno detective responded to my email a couple wks ago and said the 900 S Meadows rape was not linked to Brianna's case ...period.

And this June 14th article also says there is no link between
Lange & Brianna's case. [/*]

Oh, yes...I remember that now. Thank you....If Lange was so "careful" to hide evidence it still makes me wonder. Do we know if the DNA collected in Bri's case was actually from "her body" or just taken off the underwear?

concerned

06-18-2008, 04:19 PM

I pushed send before I was finished:D

Just the fact that this creep, Lange, shaved his body parts, just seems like an awfully big coincedence to me. Anyone feel the same. He happens to have a small child too....I LOVED to know what this POS drives!

BitterSweet

06-18-2008, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by concerned
I I LOVED to know what this POS drives! [/*]

As well!

crimeq

06-18-2008, 09:03 PM

crimeq

06-18-2008, 09:05 PM

crimeq

06-18-2008, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by concerned
I pushed send before I was finished:D

Just the fact that this creep, Lange, shaved his body parts, just seems like an awfully big coincedence to me. Anyone feel the same. He happens to have a small child too....I LOVED to know what this POS drives! [/*]

I wonder if his pic / audio of his voice / have been shown to the other victim (actually I surmise the answer is yes).

I, too, agree that there's way too much about this guy that is coincidentally the same as the perp of the pre-Bri victim that should mean a closer look at him re: being Bri's killer. DNA tells the tale; maybe they didn't have his, but only DNA from the panties, as someone else suggested.

Whatevah. I'm sure LE is comparing everything very closely now.

concerned

06-18-2008, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by crimeq

Is there any way to find that out from the DMV? I'm not a good PI-searcher, but I know many people here are. I would think it would be possible to find out what he drives from DMV or tax records -- something like that :confused: [/*]

I'm not sure if there's a way...i'm not very good with it either, but i'd sure like to know how.

osubbfan

06-18-2008, 09:27 PM

I'm so happy this waste of flesh is behind bars. When are they going to learn that violent sex offenders DO NOT change? The rape and stabbing of the high school girl was no "he said, she said", it was an extremely violent and premeditated attack. There really is no way a mental health professional can accurately access the risk when the low-life had been in prison for 20 years...what was he basing his opinion on?? These creeps tend to be master manipulators and there is absolutely no way I would try to say someone with a history like this POS's would ever be less than a high risk to reoffend.

I have never heard of anyone trying to kill themselves by sticking tissue down their throat. What a worthless idiot.

BitterSweet

06-18-2008, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by crimeq

Agree :beer: Agree :beer:

and again. WAY too many coincidences unless this guy has a twin brother running around Reno.

JMO [/*]

ITA

:beer:

BobbiKinkaid

06-19-2008, 12:21 AM

Hi everyone!
While it is great the Reno LE has Lange behind bars, I am afraid that they have already determined that he is not linked to Brianna's case. They ran the DNA found in the So. Meadows vic's home prior to arresting him. That DNA did not match the DNA from Brianna's and the other UNR victims’ cases. This is why LE has issued statements saying that there was no forensic evidence linking the two sets of cases. The crime lab compared Lange's DNA with the DNA from the So Meadows crime scene and found a match. This was June 13th the same day he was arrested. Unfortunately, he is not responsible for the attacks around UNR, Bri’s kidnapping and murder.
It is incredibly frustrating to that this guy seems so right to be the perp when he is not. Hopefully, something will break soon before someone else is harmed because there is no way he is going to stop.

BitterSweet

06-19-2008, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by BobbiKinkaid
Hi everyone!
They ran the DNA found in the So. Meadows vic's home prior to arresting him. That DNA did not match the DNA from Brianna's and the other UNR victims’ cases. [/*]

I appreciate your response BobbiKinkaid, and welcome to this board.

I only see 1 article dated June 14th where LE claims above information. Do you have a link to follow your claim? Do you have access unreported info?

This board is filled with people who have examined and re-examined EVER aspect of this case. This group is all about finding Bri's killer. So, please provide us with a link or more information.

concerned

06-19-2008, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by BitterSweet

I appreciate your response BobbiKinkaid, and welcome to this board.

I only see 1 article dated June 14th where LE claims above information. Do you have a link to follow your claim? Do you have access unreported info?

This board is filled with people who have examined and re-examined EVER aspect of this case. This group is all about finding Bri's killer. So, please provide us with a link or more information. [/*]

Yes, BobbiKinkaid, if you have more links that would be great. Like I mentioned a few post above, do we know the actual "source" of the DNA from Bri's case? Do they have DNA from her body? If not, or if we do not know for sure...to me, it would still be possible. I'm by no means trying to play smarter than LE, of course, but unless the "obvious" was on her body and that being the DNA they compared too, I wouldn't be so certain. We do know there were ALSO other female dna at the scene other than Bri's friend that lived with her. So, to make a long post shorter....the only way that I would rule him out is if there was dna taken from Bri's body from the sexual assault. I think her killer put those underwear there to do exactly what has happened...and that is to throw them off.

Politigal

06-19-2008, 09:38 AM

BobbiKinkaid

06-19-2008, 01:38 PM

Good morning everyone,

I am from Reno and have been following this case very closely as you all have and I have post other info regarding case here as well. As requested, here are two links stating that LE does not believe that they two sets of cases are linked.Both of these are from KTVN

http://www.ktvn.com/Global/story.asp?S=8280787
http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8491022

Politgal has stated she received an email from RPD where they stated there is no link.

I did copy both these links directly off this forum and it seems like you are asking me for addition info to support my statements that this is not the guy. The only thing I can offer is my understanding of the two sets of cases and DNA.

So here it goes:

The DNA found in Brianna's case was found at the residence she was taken from. I do not know what it was or where it was found.(LE has not released this info) It was this DNA that linked her case with the 2 previous attacks at UNR and that was made prior to her being found. If the DNA at found at the residence is not the DNA of the man who took Bri then her case would no longer be linked to the UNR Nov. attack and the UNR Dec. Rape. Also, keep in mind that all the info we have regarding this perp comes from the Nov/Dec victims. They are the ones that reported his height, weight ect... including the shave body hair.

Finally, there are several differences between this Lange's crimes and the UNR attacks:
Apparently, Lange knew or had contact with both of his victim's and even learned of one victims plans.
Both women were older, in mid 50's.
He assaulted them for several hours in different rooms in their homes.
He brought clothing for them to put on and posed them.
He made both of them wash after.
He robbed both.

http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080618/NEWS01/806180438/1004/NEWS19

I am sorry guys, since Lange's DNA does not match the DNA recovered from the UNR Nov. attack, the Dec. Rape and DNA recovered from the residence that Brianna was taken from, I do not believe that this is Brianna's killer.

Politigal

06-19-2008, 04:00 PM

changing the subject....

I think what bothers me the most about Brianna's case is that darn baby shoe, that the December victim saw in the killer's vehicle floorboard.....

Knowing that this unstable/deranged cowardly man is possibly a parent or in contact with a child, is really unsettling to me.

BobbiKinkaid

06-19-2008, 05:59 PM

Hi Politigal..I just realized that I mispelled your nic in my previous post. Sorry.

As to the shoe... I agree that it is bothersome. It is the one thing that I wish LE would provide more info on. (if they had it) I mean, what kind of shoe was it. A small bootie type shoe might indicate newborn infant, while, say a larger tennis shoe might point to an older infant or even a very young toddler. Heck, with as much as the victim was going through at the time the size of the shoe could be slightly distorted. I have also wondered, and I am sure this is wishful thinking on my part, that maybe the item was mistaken for a baby shoe. The only thing I can think of though, is a shoe for a doll or stuffed bear. Anyhow, it frustrates me to have so little info on that item but I am sure LE has reason for holding it back. I do hope this guy is not around any children as much as you do, unfortunately though, as we have seen time and time again, when these types of guys get caught, they often have families.

Politigal

06-19-2008, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by BobbiKinkaid
Hi Politigal..I just realized that I mispelled your nic in my previous post. Sorry.

As to the shoe... I agree that it is bothersome. It is the one thing that I wish LE would provide more info on. (if they had it) I mean, what kind of shoe was it. A small bootie type shoe might indicate newborn infant, while, say a larger tennis shoe might point to an older infant or even a very young toddler. Heck, with as much as the victim was going through at the time the size of the shoe could be slightly distorted. I have also wondered, and I am sure this is wishful thinking on my part, that maybe the item was mistaken for a baby shoe. The only thing I can think of though, is a shoe for a doll or stuffed bear. Anyhow, it frustrates me to have so little info on that item but I am sure LE has reason for holding it back. I do hope this guy is not around any children as much as you do, unfortunately though, as we have seen time and time again, when these types of guys get caught, they often have families. [/*]

I did some wishful thinking too...hoping that maybe the shoe was one of those trinkets that hang on a rearview mirror, or maybe even a funky keychain. I've seen some with little flip flop shoes and even tennis shoes. I went ahead and emailed the detective today to ask if they have any more detail.

osubbfan

06-19-2008, 06:36 PM

I saw this on another site. I don't know anything about this show but wanted to let everyone know about it.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/crime/2008/06/20/Sarcastic-Crime-Talk-Radio-Presents-the-Brianna-Dennison-Murder originally posted by christine 2449 on WebSleuths
Sarcastic Crime Talk Radio Presents the Brianna Dennison Murder ...
Sue and Shannon discuss the case of the beautiful Brianna Dennison in Reno, NV. The suspect is still free, there are other victims, so...what can we do to help the case? Tune in and find out!

osubbfan

06-19-2008, 07:06 PM

I wanted to add that the above show will air tonight, Thur. 16th @ 9 pm.

crimeq

06-19-2008, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by osubbfan
I'm so happy this waste of flesh is behind bars. When are they going to learn that violent sex offenders DO NOT change? The rape and stabbing of the high school girl was no "he said, she said", it was an extremely violent and premeditated attack. There really is no way a mental health professional can accurately access the risk when the low-life had been in prison for 20 years...what was he basing his opinion on?? These creeps tend to be master manipulators and there is absolutely no way I would try to say someone with a history like this POS's would ever be less than a high risk to reoffend.

I have never heard of anyone trying to kill themselves by sticking tissue down their throat. What a worthless idiot. [/*]

I had to laugh at the suicide-by-swallowed-Kleenex strategy. Really. What an idiot.

crimeq

06-19-2008, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by Rosieo

How odd that it says on his myspace he's single....... [/*]

Maybe that's why his wife set her myspace mood indicator to "mad". :cool:

crimeq

06-19-2008, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by osubbfan
I'm so happy this waste of flesh is behind bars. When are they going to learn that violent sex offenders DO NOT change? The rape and stabbing of the high school girl was no "he said, she said", it was an extremely violent and premeditated attack. There really is no way a mental health professional can accurately access the risk when the low-life had been in prison for 20 years...what was he basing his opinion on?? These creeps tend to be master manipulators and there is absolutely no way I would try to say someone with a history like this POS's would ever be less than a high risk to reoffend.

I have never heard of anyone trying to kill themselves by sticking tissue down their throat. What a worthless idiot. [/*]

Osubbfan, I've said it before, these sexual deviants do NOT change. There is NO chance of rehabilitation. The recidivism rate is high because when released, they do it again.

I really think rapists should be physically altered--turned to euneuchs. But then I'm afraid their anger would turn to other forms of abuse and murder. :(

crimeq

06-19-2008, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by BobbiKinkaid
Hi everyone!
While it is great the Reno LE has Lange behind bars, I am afraid that they have already determined that he is not linked to Brianna's case. They ran the DNA found in the So. Meadows vic's home prior to arresting him. That DNA did not match the DNA from Brianna's and the other UNR victims’ cases. This is why LE has issued statements saying that there was no forensic evidence linking the two sets of cases. The crime lab compared Lange's DNA with the DNA from the So Meadows crime scene and found a match. This was June 13th the same day he was arrested. Unfortunately, he is not responsible for the attacks around UNR, Bri’s kidnapping and murder.
It is incredibly frustrating to that this guy seems so right to be the perp when he is not. Hopefully, something will break soon before someone else is harmed because there is no way he is going to stop. [/*]

Thanks, Bobbi, and welcome. How weird that there are at least TWO perps who shave body parts before attacking their victims. What school did these creeps go to? It's horrifying because it smacks of pre-planning--nothing spontaneous--this is a project for these guys and they go prepared. :(

BitterSweet

06-19-2008, 11:08 PM

Thank you Bobbi for your response.

Does Trost have a younger apprentice in training?
IDK this case is baffling.

FYI
*MK has not logged on to Myspace since June 6th.......:confused:

gestalt

06-20-2008, 12:30 AM

It does seem, as you say, that all of these attackers know one another in some way--perhaps as Atlantis says, something to do with the rodeo. Or, that country-western bar? Did they sit around drinking beers and discussing the best way to avoid detection was to shave their body hair?

crimeq

06-20-2008, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by gestalt
It does seem, as you say, that all of these attackers know one another in some way--perhaps as Atlantis says, something to do with the rodeo. Or, that country-western bar? Did they sit around drinking beers and discussing the best way to avoid detection was to shave their body hair? [/*]

I don't think they know each other. They are acting out ultimate fantasies for themselves, I think, and I don't think guys share that with each other readily. I think this is something the perp would keep TIGHTLY held to himself--not risking anything to get caught. Maybe part of the heightened excitement to him is that only he knows ... also I think if they knew about each other and confided in each other, they would act together in attacks.

The shaved body hair is mind boggling to me, but maybe these guys watch CSI and similar shows (I wonder about the danger of giving too much info to criminals and perps, via entertainment TV). Never would I have thought that shaving body parts would be a norm. (I dated a competitive swimmer in college and he shaved his chest and legs, and that was a little too weird for me).

MOO

BobbiKinkaid

06-20-2008, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by crimeq

The shaved body hair is mind boggling to me, but maybe these guys watch CSI and similar shows (I wonder about the danger of giving too much info to criminals and perps, via entertainment TV).[/*]

Hi everyone,
I think that it very possible, like crimeq says, that these perps get ideas from forensic heavy shows. We know that Lange, spend 20 years in prison, he may have picked up the shaved body idea from there. He clearly went to a lot of trouble to hide his identity and from leaving DNA but was unsuccessful in the end.

The perp, from Brianna's case seems to have an incomplete understanding of how DNA is transferred because he went to all the trouble to shave but still left enough DNA behind to complete a profile. In my opinion, he was less organized than Lange.

Politigal

06-20-2008, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by BobbiKinkaid

Hi everyone,
I think that it very possible, like crimeq says, that these perps get ideas from forensic heavy shows. We know that Lange, spend 20 years in prison, he may have picked up the shaved body idea from there. He clearly went to a lot of trouble to hide his identity and from leaving DNA but was unsuccessful in the end.

The perp, from Brianna's case seems to have an incomplete understanding of how DNA is transferred because he went to all the trouble to shave but still left enough DNA behind to complete a profile. In my opinion, he was less organized than Lange. [/*]

IMO, in Brianna's case...the shaving was not done to try & hide evidence....since he left his DNA in her case & the others.

Reno is a college town with lots of young men, and it seems to be a common practice to shave, just as it is with young women. I have two daughters in their 20's and they tell me that all their friends do this - male & female.

BitterSweet

06-20-2008, 04:09 PM

Very off topic and I apologize...
I thought you all would think this article is interesting.

I will see if I can come up with the entire article..first time I have seen this and I have looked.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-721720_ITM

BobbiKinkaid

06-20-2008, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Politigal

IMO, in Brianna's case...the shaving was not done to try & hide evidence....since he left his DNA in her case & the others.

Reno is a college town with lots of young men, and it seems to be a common practice to shave, just as it is with young women. I have two daughters in their 20's and they tell me that all their friends do this - male & female. [/*]

You could very well be right. I am unfamiliar with the trend for males to shave, but now that you mention it, I do recall hearing about it; probably from you, earlier in the Brianna discussion threads.

Boy that makes me feel old. Not only because didn't remember the little tidbit of information but because I am so far out of the "youth culture" that I can not even image guys routinely shaving themselves.:D

Politigal

06-20-2008, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by BitterSweet
Very off topic and I apologize...
I thought you all would think this article is interesting.

I will see if I can come up with the entire article..first time I have seen this and I have looked.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-721720_ITM [/*]

I also see where they're ramping up the Pink Panther campaign this year too.

http://mgm.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=525

But if I recall correctly, this was with children's underwear, pj's, etc.

Politigal

06-20-2008, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by BobbiKinkaid

You could very well be right. I am unfamiliar with the trend for males to shave, but now that you mention it, I do recall hearing about it; probably from you, earlier in the Brianna discussion threads.

Boy that makes me feel old. Not only because didn't remember the little tidbit of information but because I am so far out of the "youth culture" that I can not even image guys routinely shaving themselves.:D [/*]

For some reason, the younger generation has decided that body hair is "out." My daughter's boyfriends shave their chest, legs and other areas. But yet, many of them sport a goatee....

Makes no sense to an old hippie like me. :)

Politigal

06-20-2008, 07:47 PM

Revisiting the suspect description from the December victim....

he was large but not muscular

and had "thick, meaty fingers"

approx early 20's to mid 30's

Thick, meaty fingers....this trait sort of stands out to me for some reason.

BitterSweet

06-20-2008, 08:12 PM

I will check out the article Atlantis...

THIS IS UNREAL!

MGM article 2001.

More than I EVER expected to come across!

MGM Consumer Products ran an e-mail campaign designed to boost sales of Pink Panther underwear to girls age 13-17, reports A.J. Rhodes, Coordinator of Worldwide Marketing for MCP (phone: 310-449-3000). The company sent 60,000 RadicalMail e-mails to girls in the southern U.S., based on names from the MGM database and teen sites Alloy.com and Seventeen.com.

The e-mail allowed users to view a short Pink Panther video and to download vouchers for a gift in exchange for trying on Pink Panther Intimates at Parisians, Carson Pirie Scott, or Younkers stores. The e-mail also offered a Panther screensaver and allowed recipients to send the voucher via e-mail to up to three other friends.

In addition to the e-mails, another 100,000 postcards urged teens to visit the stores, Rhodes says. The campaign was designed to raise brand awareness and increase traffic and sales at Pinkpanther.com, a site that sells to the general public but is designed to appeal almost exclusively to teen girls. This regional test may be expanded in other areas, including in California in 3Q '01, Rhodes says.

Politigal

06-20-2008, 08:15 PM

oh no...and the report says she's 23 yrs old....so young

Politigal

06-20-2008, 09:03 PM

I just got an email back from Reno police on the baby shoe ....

They said the December victim simply did not get a good enough look. They don't know if it was a baby bootie or toddler shoe.

BitterSweet

06-20-2008, 10:10 PM

Thank you for sharing Politigal.
Quick and insightful response from LE..:)

BitterSweet

06-21-2008, 12:14 AM

Is anyone feeling as baffled by this case as me!
:confused:

None the less, we have all been so dedicated, and should be VERY proud.

Sigh....:beer:

Politigal

06-22-2008, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by AngelEyes
New Nevada law reclassifies sex offenders by crime

http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080622/NEWS18/80622010&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

Sounds like a good thing to me. Looks like some sex offenders are fighting the new law. Well maybe they should have thought about that before they assaulted their victim. I think this will be a good thing for the public to feel safer. [/*]

wow...am I reading this correctly - that under their current law -- rapists aren't even listed on the sex offender database???

The lawsuit does not name the offender, but he is identified as a man who was convicted as a 20-year-old Marine in 1984 for raping a 20-year-old female soldier in the barracks while he was drunk.

Under the current laws, Roskeâ€™s client is considered by authorities as a low risk to re-offend, meaning his information is only shared with law enforcement, courts and prosecutors. His information is not posted on the stateâ€™s Web database of sex offenders.

WTF!!

BitterSweet

06-22-2008, 10:54 PM

Is it me or does anyone else find it odd that the Denison family has been in the media?

Maybe just my positive nature...but I think this may be a good sign?

BitterSweet

06-23-2008, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS

Too much of a chance it might leak and the suspect would flee... [/*]

Good Point Atlantis

BitterSweet

06-24-2008, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
http://bringbriback.blogspot.com/2008/06/ride-for-justice.html [/*]

VERY cool idea!

I am happy to see that her friends/family are still fighting for "Justice".

:rose: Justice soon Bri!

Rosieo

06-25-2008, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by crimeq

I had to laugh at the suicide-by-swallowed-Kleenex strategy. Really. What an idiot. [/*]

LOL! I missed this, I've been away awhile, what story was this? That is a pretty strang method to choose!C

Rosieo

06-25-2008, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by Politigal

For some reason, the younger generation has decided that body hair is "out." My daughter's boyfriends shave their chest, legs and other areas. But yet, many of them sport a goatee....

Makes no sense to an old hippie like me. :) [/*]

I guess I'll be thankful now that I'm old LOL I could never get into a guy with a shaved chest and legs - yuck

osubbfan

06-25-2008, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by Rosieo

LOL! I missed this, I've been away awhile, what story was this? That is a pretty strang method to choose!C [/*]

Strange it is...as said before, the man is a deranged idiot.

Police said Lange tried to commit suicide after his arrest Friday by shoving tissue down his throat. He was booked after being evaluated at a hospital.
Evidence links man to two similar rape, robbery cases (http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080618/NEWS01/806180438/1004/NEWS19)

I also found this "interesting." The POS terrorizes women and then has the nerve to complain about how he and his family are treated in the media. What a total piece of filth. Here's a tip...don't rape and terrorize other people and you won't have to worry about what is written in the paper.
RE: Curtis Lange case.
UPDATE: During a brief meeting with Lange at the jail this morning, he declined to talk about his arrest.
He didn't want to say "I'm innocent," or "They've got the wrong guy" or whatever ... he said nothing in his defense to the multiple sexually violent charges that have been filed against him.
He did, though, want to tell me he is mad at the media for publishing his address and showing his house on TV because he thinks his family is in danger now, and can't go home. He said he's frustrated, and wanted to know if I was the one who put stuff out about him on the Internet ...I said YES.
"Whether I am guilty or not, why put my family in danger?" he asked me.
I had to tell him that his physical address has been on the state's sex offender Web site for some time ...
I am disappointed he didn't want to talk about what's been going on. His commentary, perhaps, could have cleared up some things?
It would have been nice to hear his own words on why he's sitting in jail without bail, accused of horrible, horrible things that police say he linked to through DNA and a variety of other evidence.
Anyway, he had his chance... and said nothing.
Signature Violence and Rapes (http://blogs.rgj.com/crime/)
**Just wanted to clearly state that I understand Lange's family is innocent in this and I wish them no harm. Just the irony of this POS's complaint is amazing.

Maelstrom5

06-25-2008, 10:39 AM

Hi osubbfan,

Very interesting and informative article. Note that Lange deliberately shaved his privates in a attempt to keep from leaving DNA, and just like the man in Brianna's case he failed.

This story supports those of us who think that Bri's killer shaved on purpose not because it is the "In thing” to do.

gestalt

06-25-2008, 11:38 AM

If any of us saw footwear for an infant, we would describe it according to the category it was in. I believe it was probably a traditional baby shoe, not a bootie.

As you say, the body hair obviously was shaved to avoid detection.

I wonder how the conversation went with his wife about this uncharacteristic procedure.

Rosieo

06-25-2008, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by osubbfan

Strange it is...as said before, the man is a deranged idiot.

Police said Lange tried to commit suicide after his arrest Friday by shoving tissue down his throat. He was booked after being evaluated at a hospital.
Evidence links man to two similar rape, robbery cases (http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080618/NEWS01/806180438/1004/NEWS19)

I also found this "interesting." The POS terrorizes women and then has the nerve to complain about how he and his family are treated in the media. What a total piece of filth. Here's a tip...don't rape and terrorize other people and you won't have to worry about what is written in the paper.
RE: Curtis Lange case.
UPDATE: During a brief meeting with Lange at the jail this morning, he declined to talk about his arrest.
He didn't want to say "I'm innocent," or "They've got the wrong guy" or whatever ... he said nothing in his defense to the multiple sexually violent charges that have been filed against him.
He did, though, want to tell me he is mad at the media for publishing his address and showing his house on TV because he thinks his family is in danger now, and can't go home. He said he's frustrated, and wanted to know if I was the one who put stuff out about him on the Internet ...I said YES.
"Whether I am guilty or not, why put my family in danger?" he asked me.
I had to tell him that his physical address has been on the state's sex offender Web site for some time ...
I am disappointed he didn't want to talk about what's been going on. His commentary, perhaps, could have cleared up some things?
It would have been nice to hear his own words on why he's sitting in jail without bail, accused of horrible, horrible things that police say he linked to through DNA and a variety of other evidence.
Anyway, he had his chance... and said nothing.
Signature Violence and Rapes (http://blogs.rgj.com/crime/)
**Just wanted to clearly state that I understand Lange's family is innocent in this and I wish them no harm. Just the irony of this POS's complaint is amazing. [/*]

Hi Osubbfan - thanks for posting this - I've been crazy busy and missed a lot. He told his wife he shaved his chest, legs and privates because of heat rash - and she must've known about his previous conviction for rape - but she didn't notice there was no rash? Sorry, I just get really angry when these women turn a blind eye or are stupid to what's right in front of their face. If my husband shaved those areas, even without a prior rape conviction, I'd damned sure know something was up. However, I agree, he should have thought about his family before he did this - they're victims now, too, suffering for what this filthy POS did. His picture sure doesn't look like his myspace persona of the happy-go-lucky just like to laugh, have fun and be silly guy. Filthy pig.

Rosieo

06-25-2008, 01:02 PM

oh - and LOL at suicide by Kleenex. What a dope. "I'll show you! I'll swallow a whole box of Kleenex!"

Rosieo

06-25-2008, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
or something similar and that is why he shaved.
It was a lie of course, he shaved because he was afraid of leaving evidence behind. [/*]

That confuses me - if they're at all intimate, wouldn't she notice there was no rash and he was lying? She had to know he's a convicted sex offender, shaving those areas should have been a big red flag for her. Sorry if I'm being mean, but to marry a guy convicted of such a violent attack, she can't be the sharpest tool in the box, either.

concerned

06-25-2008, 03:18 PM

And oh, isn't he thoughtful to be concerned for "his" loved ones??? :rolleyes:

Rosieo

06-25-2008, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by concerned
And oh, isn't he thoughtful to be concerned for "his" loved ones??? :rolleyes: [/*]

Amazing, isn't it? Gee, I wonder how he'd feel if someone had done what he did to his wife, mother, sister? Just sick, the way their minds work. I've read so much about them, their psyches, their behaviors, and I still don't understand it, I never will - I know the reasons why what they do what they do, but I can't wrap my head around how they can having seemingly normal romantic relationships and many times be seemingly normal family men. If that evil is in them, how they control it with their wives or SOs. I don't get it.

Rosieo

06-25-2008, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by AngelEyes

ITA Rosieo!
It looks like he had a good start at having a brand new life and turning his life around....got married, became a dad..heck he didn't even have a job and was living the good life and still he couldn't control the insane urge these POS's have to assault others and destroy lives. It makes me sick. Its proof positive to me that these criminals cannot be rehabilitated. Time and time again they are let out and go back to their ways of harming others. From what I understand sexual predators and child molesters are the most at risk to re-offend when they are let out. I don't understand the system at all when it comes to them letting out someone early like in this case. He should have still been in prison doing time and those poor women would not have been attacked. :(
Also I too don't understand why the wife didn't think it was a red flag that her hubby shaved suddenly. Given his background, which she most likely knew about, that should have given her reason to wonder. He must have also hid his "rape kit" somewhere. He would have had to bring that home at some point and hidden it away along with the pictures the victims said he took. I am surprised that she wouldn't have come across it somehow. A backpack is not small and from all the things that he had in there it would have been hard to hide something that big. Its all very strange. :shrug: [/*]

Hi Angeleyes! He was probably so convincing in telling her that he learned, prison changed him, he's a new man, etc etc but still, with his background, you'd be attuned, you would certainly think, to anything out of the ordinary, and shaving his chest, legs and privates was just a *little* obvious....or would have been to most people! I don't know if women like this are stupid, naive, or just choose to turn a blind eye, but it's infuriating. This is probably the same thing that's happening with Bri's killer, that he has a wife, ex-wife or SO that KNOWS it could be him, if she used her head and common sense but for whatever reason isn't coming forward. The victim apparently scratched this guy, they said that's how they got his DNA - so your husband shaves, is gone at the time this rape occurred and that night has scratches on him - helllloooooo! Not to mention, he could not possibly have been acting completely normal that night - if you're intimate with your husband, these are all things I would think you'd pick up on - I'm certain I would!

Politigal

06-25-2008, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Rosieo

Amazing, isn't it? Gee, I wonder how he'd feel if someone had done what he did to his wife, mother, sister? Just sick, the way their minds work. I've read so much about them, their psyches, their behaviors, and I still don't understand it, I never will - I know the reasons why what they do what they do, but I can't wrap my head around how they can having seemingly normal romantic relationships and many times be seemingly normal family men. If that evil is in them, how they control it with their wives or SOs. I don't get it. [/*]

sort of off topic but about sex offenders...

I was flabbergasted today when I read about the Supreme Court (and I use that term lightly) ruling *against* the death penalty for child rapists....Unfreakinbelievable!

and from the article:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/25/scotus.child.rape/index.html

we conclude there is a national consensus against capital punishment for the crime of child rape," Anthony Kennedy wrote.

who exactly are they listening to???

osubbfan

06-25-2008, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by Rosieo

Amazing, isn't it? Gee, I wonder how he'd feel if someone had done what he did to his wife, mother, sister? Just sick, the way their minds work. I've read so much about them, their psyches, their behaviors, and I still don't understand it, I never will - I know the reasons why what they do what they do, but I can't wrap my head around how they can having seemingly normal romantic relationships and many times be seemingly normal family men. If that evil is in them, how they control it with their wives or SOs. I don't get it. [/*]

That is what I found so appalling about his complaint. I'm sure the families of his victims wanted their loved ones to be safe as well. However, this POS is the only one that matters in his eyes...selfish arse concerned only about what directly affects him. I guess we should all bend over backwards to make sure he never has to spend a minute worrying about his loved ones...meanwhile, his victims and their families will be coping with what he did to them for the rest of their lives.

osubbfan

06-25-2008, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by gestalt
If any of us saw footwear for an infant, we would describe it according to the category it was in. I believe it was probably a traditional baby shoe, not a bootie.

As you say, the body hair obviously was shaved to avoid detection.

I wonder how the conversation went with his wife about this uncharacteristic procedure. [/*]

Hi gestalt..Det. McDonald, the lead investigator (I believe) in Bri's case described the shoe as a newborn shoe, adding "like the kind you would see given to someone at a baby shower."

BitterSweet

06-25-2008, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by Politigal
I just got an email back from Reno police on the baby shoe ....

They said the December victim simply did not get a good enough look. They don't know if it was a baby bootie or toddler shoe. [/*]

Politigal gave us this info...recently

BitterSweet

06-26-2008, 12:09 AM

UNREAL ... Sicker than Sick ... Reno Again
How does this happen?

WASHINGTON (AP) - Hundreds of people have been arrested and 21 children rescued in what the FBI is calling a five-day roundup of networks of pimps who force children into prostitution that targeted 16 cities, including Reno and Las Vegas..

The Justice Department says it targeted 16 cities as part of its "Operation Cross Country" that caps off five years of similar stings nationwide. Many of the children forced into prostitution are either runaways or what authorities call "thrown-aways" - kids whose families have shunned them. Officials say they are preyed upon by organized networks of pimps who lure them in with shelter or drugs, then often beat, starve or otherwise abuse them until the children agree to work the streets. "We together have no higher calling than to protect our children and to safeguard their innocence," FBI Director Robert Mueller said today. "Yet the sex trafficking of children remains one of the most violent and unforgivable crimes in this country." In all, authorities arrested 345 people - including 290 adult prostitutes - during the operation that ended this week. Since 2003, 308 pimps and hookers have been convicted in state and federal courts of forcing youngsters into prostitution, and 433 child victims have been rescued, Mueller said. The cities targeted in this week's sting are: Atlanta; Boston; Dallas; Detroit; Houston; Los Angeles; Miami; Montgomery County, Md.; Oakland, Calif.; Phoenix; Sacramento, Calif.; Tampa; Toledo, Ohio and Washington. The problem of child prostitution has taken on a new urgency in recent years with the growth of online networks where pimps advertise the youngsters to clients. The FBI generally investigates child prostitution cases that cross state lines. The cases aren't easy to convict. In April 2006, for example, charges against a Nevada man resulted in a hung jury after his 14-year-old victim refused to testify against him. Months later, however, a second jury found Juan Rico Doss of Reno, Nev., guilty of forcing two girls - ages 14 and 16 - to sell sex in Los Angeles, Sacramento, San Francisco and Oakland. A University of Pennsylvania study estimates nearly 300,000 children in the United States are at risk of being sexually exploited for commercial uses - "most of them runaways or thrown-aways," said Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. "These kids are victims. This is 21st century slavery," Allen said. "They lack the ability to walk away."

BitterSweet

06-26-2008, 12:11 AM

Investigators call a "throw away kid" ? Is that a foster child who turns 18?
:cuss:

Maelstrom5

06-26-2008, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by BitterSweet
Investigators call a "throw away kid" ? Is that a foster child who turns 18?
:cuss: [/*]

BitterSweet

Definition -throw·a·ways-

1. Something designed or likely to be discarded after use, as a free handbill distributed on the street.

2. A child or teenager who has been rejected, ejected, or abandoned by parents or guardians and lives on the streets.

On the subject of p*mps and runaway/throw-away children

****’s girlfriend imprisoned for helping enslave teens as prostitutes

By Alex Wood
Journal Inquirer
Published: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 12:22 PM EDT

Shanaya “Toni” Hicks, who was sentenced Tuesday to almost four years in federal prison for helping her boyfriend run a prostitution ring from a Burnside Avenue apartment in East Hartford, grew up without her mother, a crack cocaine addict who engaged in prostitution and spent considerable time in prison.

When she was in her early 20s, Hicks took on the role of guarding the locked door of a room in the Burnside Avenue apartment, behind which two teenagers were held and forced to engage in prostitution seven days a week.

The two young women — who had passed their 18th birthdays, but not by much, according to prosecutor James G. Genco — were let out of the room to use the bathroom or to “work,” Judge Christopher F. Droney said.

Genco commented on the irony of Hicks’ life story during the sentencing in U.S. District Court in Hartford. Because of her “deprived background,” the prosecutor said, Hicks, 25, might have been able to relate to the young women who were victimized in the prostitution ring. Instead, he said, she engaged in “egregious and callous conduct.”

Hicks pleaded guilty to helping her then-boyfriend, Brian Forbes, coerce the two 18-year-olds into prostitution. She also pleaded guilty to involvement in his use of two girls younger than 18 as prostitutes.

At one point, Genco said, Hicks took one of the underage girls to a tattoo parlor. The parlor’s staff refused to give the girl a tattoo because of her age, but Hicks told them she was the girl’s guardian, the prosecutor added.

Hicks has admitted that she and Forbes lured the two older teenagers into working for them with promises of jobs that didn’t include prostitution, Genco and Washington-based federal prosecutor Andrew J. Kline said in a sentencing memorandum.

Hicks and Forbes then employed isolation, drug addiction, and violence to break the girls’ wills and keep them working as prostitutes, the prosecutors continued.

Note from Peter:

I am very interested in this group of p*mp's and there operation. I believe there may be a connection between this operation and a New England teen who has been missing for over 4 years.

I spoke with Alex Wood, the reporter who wrote this article, and he was kind enough to go over his court notes with me. All the young women and underage teens forced into prostitution by Paris and Forbes were from out of state.

Maelstrom5

06-26-2008, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
plus she looks to be Hispanic.
That's not meant to be racist....I just am not sure she's the type of target UNR is interested in.
If I had to guess she had a jealous boyfriend/wannabe boyfriend and he did something to her and it's not UNR.... [/*]

ATLANTIS,

Bri was Caucasian. The December attack was against a woman who heritage is Asian. There is no connection in regards to race, but there is a connection when one looks at physical attributes.

Peter

Maelstrom5

06-26-2008, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
and I know one of the previous victims was an asian exchange student...
Most rapist have a certain type they favor...
I don't think this woman who is missing is UNR's type..... [/*]

I am not saying that she is or is not. We know very little about Yulma outside the fact she is missing. My point was that I think it would be wrong to rule one way or the other based on race, because it is clear that race is NOT a deciding factor.

Body type may be based on the previous assaults.

Yulma is 5'2" 120 lbs “with a thin build,” and long dark hair. Maybe in other parts of the country that does not fit the definition of petite, but here in Connecticut it does.

BitterSweet

06-26-2008, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by AngelEyes
Reno police ask for public's help in finding missing 23-year-old woman

http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080626/NEWS18/80626004

I hope that she is found safe and this isnt the POS that took Bri striking again. She is very petite like Bri with long dark hair from what I could tell by her photo. Only 23 years old. She has been missing since Saturday. I wonder why it took so long for Reno LE to ask the public for help? This should have been in the news allot sooner. [/*]

This report made my heart sink!
:mad:

Politigal

06-26-2008, 08:15 PM

the address for this latest missing woman appears to be a mobile home park...mostly Hispanic residents, except for a few.

Politigal

06-26-2008, 08:49 PM

and I meant to also say- even tho' this latest young woman is Hispanic, I definitely think she fits the general physical description of young women that Brianna's killer went after....young, petite, long dark hair, etc.

BitterSweet

06-26-2008, 11:16 PM

Does anyone know posibble INVESTIGATIVE reasons LE may have for not releasing information on her missing earlier?

Not looking to bash investigators, just interested in insight?

JMO ...
She DOES fit the physical description of the UNR, murderer and rapist.
Also, we know nothing other than a pic. of her, until more is released, I definately feel the connection is possible.

Politigal

06-27-2008, 11:38 AM

"Ride for Justice"

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080627/NEWS01/806270488

Breazy

06-27-2008, 04:22 PM

I haven't been here in a long, long time but checking in on latest and wanted to say :seeya:. There's been quite interesting discussion here and I continue to pray for answers that will lead to an arrest . . .

osubbfan

06-28-2008, 11:49 AM

I was checking out the news in Reno for any updates, hoping that finally there has been some movement on this case. Unfortunately, the silence is deafening. However, I did find this article on a man sentenced for a rape and burglary in nearby Sparks. The last sentence beautifully summarizes what these predators are all about and is another example of the extreme self-centeredness that makes them so charming...barf

Viloria said Mendoza-Lobos, when asked by an evaluator about how he thought his victim felt, said, "I'm sorry. But what about me, and what I'm going through?" :rolleyes:

Sparks man must serve 44 years for rape (http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080627/NEWS01/806270489/1004)

Politigal

06-28-2008, 10:17 PM

on Yulma Salazar-Lopez

http://rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080627/NEWS18/80627030&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

Politigal

06-29-2008, 04:44 PM

Back to Brianna's case....

I keep going back to the December victim...and her location. Where she parked her vehicle & was abducted is actually on the back side of Virginia or ...Terrace Drive. It's not a busy street.

I love the new google maps - they show real time photos of the addresses you input now. 1425 Virginia - is where the victim was attacked. If you pan around, you can see that she parked directly across the street from 1430 Terrace Dr - where there are several residents. IMO, someone living or visiting there would have the best view of someone parking where the December victim parked.

(Go to googlemaps.com and input 1430 Terrace Dr and look at the street view - in Full View -- and pan around. You will see the back of 1425 N Virginia.)

Politigal

06-29-2008, 08:19 PM

adding to my post above - 1415 & 1430 Terrace are just across from the rear parking of 1425 Virginia

Politigal

06-29-2008, 08:34 PM

sorry....it's 1415 & 1431

BitterSweet

06-30-2008, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
knows the neighborhood.He knows when people are out and about and when they are not.He knows where there is cover from the roads. He either lives there,use to live there or went to school at unr and is familiar with the area.

As you probably know Go-tan had a real estate license.
[/*]

I did not know Go-tan had a license..Interesting?

ITA..perp knows the area well, especially the off campus rental close to campus. Either as a current resident or frequent visitor to the area, possibly job related?

Lastly, Atlantis have you some knowledge of recent home sales in
area?

BitterSweet

06-30-2008, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by Politigal
Back to Brianna's case....

I keep going back to the December victim...and her location. Where she parked her vehicle & was abducted is actually on the back side of Virginia or ...Terrace Drive. It's not a busy street.

I love the new google maps - they show real time photos of the addresses you input now. 1425 Virginia - is where the victim was attacked. If you pan around, you can see that she parked directly across the street from 1430 Terrace Dr - where there are several residents. IMO, someone living or visiting there would have the best view of someone parking where the December victim parked.

(Go to googlemaps.com and input 1430 Terrace Dr and look at the street view - in Full View -- and pan around. You will see the back of 1425 N Virginia.) [/*]

Very interesting.. I know you have felt strongly about this location.
Great Job