Michelle Young May 18

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by zed


I got that, but you said that if it was a deadbolt, then Michelle left it unlocked. I don't get that part. [/*]

Michelle was inside the house after Jason and GA friend left. Who else was there to lock the doors?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by fiver
In all honesty, LE said the BTK killings were "not random" when they, in fact, were. [/*]

That's why I think it is idiotic these days to make such public statements. Richmond LE said the Harvey family murders were not random and they were.

[fiver]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles




The newest s/w's that we know about are over 3 months old, I don't think L E is there to make sure he got them.

Although, I am starting to think there may be some scare tactics involved with these s/w's.

The case lays low for awhile, then s w's for the deck and stain in Dec, and then to Brevard in Feb.

How could you find anything intact after this length of time.
Anything incriminating would be destroyed.

Kat [/*]They had to still look for whatever it was they were looking for.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by zed


There is a door leading to the house from the garage. Once inside that door, a person can go up the stairs to the bonus room, or through a door and into the kitchen. Once inside the bonus room, there is a door going into the small office that is at the back of the house. The small office has a second door that leads into the upstairs hallway. That door is directly across the hall from the master bedroom door. [/*]

That makes it even more ominous. The killer could've been hiding in there while MF was spending five minutes trying to determine if her sister was dead or if she had just fallen. How any adult could not have determined immediately that a murder had taken place is beyond me. Shock or no shock. :eek:

[fiver]

Originally posted by awareness


Could have been financial or other records that aren't easily destroyable.

JMO/OMP [/*]They normally get financial information directly from the financial institution. My bank statements get eaten up by the shredder just as easily as credit card offers.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by annalyzer


That makes it even more ominous. The killer could've been hiding in there while MF was spending five minutes trying to determine if her sister was dead or if she had just fallen. How any adult could not have determined immediately that a murder had taken place is beyond me. Shock or no shock. :eek: [/*]

Very true.

I'm surprised the smell from the decaying body wasn't a big clue the moment she entered that closed up house.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by FaithHope


they are.
every week, a couple of days a week, they have been seen [/*]

What were they doing?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Being human,she may have been tired and over looked locking the door. Someone,hopefully a stranger,could easily have entered the house, the dog may have heard them and started barking,waking Michelle,she gets up and as she exits her bedroom to check she sees a stranger.She returns to her bed room,to possibly grab a gun for protection,this would explain the closet in a mess,he grabs her,attempts to choke her,she fights,he picks up something in the BR maybe something he had brought in for protection in case he was caught and he is in a panic,beats her to a pulp and gets out as quickly as possible. NO robbery,just run and run and still running. [/*]

Of course she may have overlooked locking the door. Easy to forget that one. The Petits didn't lock their basement door and the killers used it for entry.

You bring up a very believable scenario. That is probably a question LE would like to ask Jason. Was there a gun kept in the closet. Was it kept loaded? Maybe it wasn't and was used to bash Michelle in the head? Good thinking, HI-CYCLE.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Otterman


I'm NOT the least bit surprised YOU would say something like this :cuss: [/*]

Why would that offend you? Decaying bodies do have an odor. That's not a fact I'm inventing.

[fiver]

Originally posted by FaithHope


they are.
every week, a couple of days a week, they have been seen [/*]By who?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
That does not even make sense.They have no jurisdiction there, if they are from Wake County.If it is Wake County,I personally don`t think so, they need their butts back in Wake County going over evidence. Jason is out of town working,who would they be watching?? [/*]

those that claim to be watching them? lol

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Otterman



Your disrespect for the decedent and her family is what offends me. [/*]

My comment about the odor of a decaying body wasn't any more disrespectful than comments about blood, wounds, etc. Do get a grip.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by FaithHope


It makes no difference what the answer is.
Because there is no answer that will satisfy you.

You are here ONLY to bait, bully, and challenge every single piece of information that someone trys to share.

You ask questions, you're given an answer, and you still bait some more. It's easy to see your gameplan here.

I don't understand it.
You and your other JII buddie love to gang up and attack, don't you? Bait, bully and insult. Isn't that the game for you all?

Very odd. I've never seen a message board quite like this.

And even odder is that Coldwater has allowed the bullies to run the board.
Anyone out there know why that's allowed on the Michelle Young forum here?

It really is a shame and a disgrace.

JMHO. [/*]

Use ignore and I'll do the same. Your whining about the board, posters and moderator really are boring anyway.

[fiver]

Originally posted by Otterman


Under many different nics, this poster has been on this board bashing and baiting for 18 months. As soon as she is banned, she gets a new nic and starts where she left off.

Appears there is no end to the insanity. [/*]Replace "she" with "he" and you have just described RPD.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
I keep a 357 in my closet,loaded,but if I had to grab it then I would be slinging things around to put my hands on it. With a child in the house most would have it hide and out of reach of the child.
Jason`s attorney should be able to get that info from Jason and give it to LE and for all we know he has.I think their cooperation is getting Jason to sit down and give a statement..I am sure if LE needed the answer such as this he would be glad to pass it to them through his attorney. [/*]

Good point. Let's suppose there was a gun and Jason's attorney confirmed it and LE determined the gun was missing from where they kept it. This could be similar to jewelry that's rumored to be missing. Perhaps LE decided to see if the gun was still in his posession?

[fiver]

Originally posted by Otterman



Why are you discussing banned nics on this forum ?
Is that relevant to the case ? [/*]Just as relevant as your off topic posts about other posters or the moderator. :hat:

[fiver]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


I am interested in the deck because 13 months or so after the crime, someone in L E was interested in it to.

Why, though?

It has to be related to a print..

Kat [/*]What I meant was, why then is LE so interested in the deck. :)

[fiver]

Originally posted by zed


What are you talking about? Could you please expand on what you're saying as I don't see your connection. [/*]Sorry for the misunderstanding zed, I was referring to LE's interest in the deck, not yours. :)

[fiver]

Originally posted by FaithHope



" Well, he just will not talk to us ", Sherrif Harrison explained.
" We try to go through his attorney, and also contact him and he has failed to come in or failed to meet with us anytime we have asked."

http://news14.com/content/top_stories/582047/still-no-arrest-in-michelle-young-murder/Default.aspx


Jason won't talk. Period. [/*]They have tried to contact Jason directly after he told them they had to go through his attorney?

:eek:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by fiver
They have tried to contact Jason directly after he told them they had to go through his attorney?

:eek: [/*]

Interesting. He admits they do try to go through his attorney so some questions are being answered that route. What the attorney has refused is a face-to-face meeting.

[jammies]

Originally posted by fiver
Replace "she" with "he" and you have just described RPD. [/*]



.....and a few others you would be intimately familiar with.


Now, could you please try to stay on topic like CW asked?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by fiver
In all honesty, LE said the BTK killings were "not random" when they, in fact, were. [/*]

I didn't think the BTK victims were random. I thought they were specifically targeted (except for one who was killed because the targeted victim was not home.)

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by FaithHope


That is not what was said.

No !!! No questions are being answered!!! [/*]

That's not the way I read it.

"They are still waiting to talk to Jason Young.
"Well, he just will not talk to us,” Harrison explained. “We'd try to go through his attorney, and also contact him, and he has failed to come in or failed to meet us anytime that we've asked." "

Sounds to me like Jason won't talk to them directly and that they were trying to get him in for an interview, by contacting his attorney and him directly, but he refused. No where does it say that no questions were being answered through his attorney.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by WonderingInSC


You might be right, but the initial investigation must not have found unidentifiable fingerprints, DNA, etc.,which may be why it was stated not a random crime.
It sounds from what LE said.....they will arrest someone soon. [/*]

The initial investigation could not have been completed by the time they announced the no~ random theory.

And, we have no way of knowing whether anything unidentifiable was found, do we?

Yes, the arrest is coming any second...check out CNN.
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by annalyzer


That makes it even more ominous. The killer could've been hiding in there while MF was spending five minutes trying to determine if her sister was dead or if she had just fallen. How any adult could not have determined immediately that a murder had taken place is beyond me. Shock or no shock. :eek: [/*]

Post of the day, thank you.
:)
Kat

[jammies]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


The initial investigation could not have been completed by the time they announced the no~ random theory.

And, we have no way of knowing whether anything unidentifiable was found, do we?

Yes, the arrest is coming any second...check out CNN.
Kat [/*]


Link please!

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by Celiarun


No sign of forced entry. [/*]

Location, number, type and severity of wounds.
Overkill
JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by fanny_mae


Who said an arrest was coming any second? [/*]

The posters who claim L E is in Jason's town, ready to make their move..

Why else would they be there if an arrest was not going down?



Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by awareness


Could have been financial or other records that aren't easily destroyable.

JMO/OMP [/*]

Records like that could be found on any computer, I doubt that they went there for that.

If they went there at all.

Kat

[WonderingInSC]

Originally posted by Celiarun


That's why I think it is idiotic these days to make such public statements. Richmond LE said the Harvey family murders were not random and they were. [/*]

I know that case. Knew Brian in college. The reason they thought it was not random is that the family had planned a party that day, which never happened. The killers went to the front door, and were inside when a friend dropped one of their daughters off that morning. That was a very different case than most. Not one to compare to this one.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Celiarun


those that claim to be watching them? lol [/*]



I guess their cover has been blown.

:)

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943


For whats its worth it was a lot less disturbing to be that the description of the autopsy photos. Now that was totally disrespectful to Michelle. [/*]

Runner up post of the day.
There was nothing to gain by viewing the autopsy photos except morbid curiousity.

Not everyone wants to know the gory details of a murder case, again, ewwwwwwww.
Plus, it must have hurt the family.

Kat

[SaraSidle]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


The initial investigation could not have been completed by the time they announced the no~ random theory.

And, we have no way of knowing whether anything unidentifiable was found, do we?

Yes, the arrest is coming any second...check out CNN.
Kat [/*]

Kat I checked Cnn and could not find a thing. Any particular place to look on CNN

[fiver]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I didn't think the BTK victims were random. I thought they were specifically targeted (except for one who was killed because the targeted victim was not home.) [/*]You know, Barbara2, I think you are right. :)

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Good point. Let's suppose there was a gun and Jason's attorney confirmed it and LE determined the gun was missing from where they kept it. This could be similar to jewelry that's rumored to be missing. Perhaps LE decided to see if the gun was still in his posession? [/*]

I really do think Michelle had not planned to fall asleep, which would explain her clothing, I think she was exhausted.

Can you imagine being awaken and your first thought is .....
Omg, I forgot to lock the door......

Anyone could have killed Michelle,

JMO
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by SaraSidle


Kat I checked Cnn and could not find a thing. Any particular place to look on CNN [/*]

Sara, Sara, Sara,

I take it you don't understand the challenges us JII's face when dealing with the other side.

They put it out there, we question, and then nothing happens.

Why should today be any different?

:shrug:

Kat

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


There was a profiler, I don't have the link, it should be on WRAL or in the Observer though, I think his name was Morgan, who let it slip in his statement something about the front door being left open.....

I don't know if he meant before or after the crime.
:shrug:

Kat [/*]


He is not/was not a "profiler."
He is an investigator with the WCSO.
He has taken--among other instruction noted, classes (or as he put it) "specialized training" in criminal profiling. He was the individual who revealed that the garage door was not secured and that Meredith Fisher had gained entry to the house through the unsecured garage door and then through the door leading from the garage to the house.
Link:
http://www.ncwanted.com/asset/unsolved/2007/11/28/2095268/1196443051-Complete_Warrant_November_20,_2007.swf

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by forpsystudent



He is not/was not a "profiler."
He is an investigator with the WCSO.
He has taken--among other instruction noted, classes (or as he put it) "specialized training" in criminal profiling. He was the individual who revealed that the garage door was not secured and that Meredith Fisher had gained entry to the house through the unsecured garage door and then through the door leading from the garage to the house.
Link:
http://www.ncwanted.com/asset/unsolved/2007/11/28/2095268/1196443051-Complete_Warrant_November_20,_2007.swf [/*]

Wrong, this was someone else.
I believe his name was Chris Morgan, I have asked Lindsey for the link.
When I reach her, I will have her post if for you.
Hope that helps.

Kat

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Maybe the Sheriff just like to whine and make it look like Jason is why this case has not been solved,not even a suspect. Sounds like he continues to make excuses for his investigators who works under his guidance. Poor WCSD,the husband want talk to us,we need to know if his murdered wife leaves the porch light on at night. [/*]

There are a number of questions that JY could have answered that would be relevant. What was her normal bedtime routine? Did she normally sleep in the attire she was found dead in? Did she usually snack before bed? If yes, was there a favorite (pregnant women do have cravings but no, I don't have a link) snack. What was Cassidy's normal bedtime and what time did she normally wake up? Was Cassidy a light sleeper? Did Michelle have any enemies that JY would have known of that Michelle would not or had not mentioned to anyone else? It's not unusual to say these things to a spouse as opposed to a sib or parent so as not to worry them. Did she normally leave doors unlocked? Stuff like that. I could come up with more but you should get the general idea.

[fiver]

Originally posted by annalyzer


That's not the way I read it.

"They are still waiting to talk to Jason Young.
"Well, he just will not talk to us,” Harrison explained. “We'd try to go through his attorney, and also contact him, and he has failed to come in or failed to meet us anytime that we've asked." "

Sounds to me like Jason won't talk to them directly and that they were trying to get him in for an interview, by contacting his attorney and him directly, but he refused. No where does it say that no questions were being answered through his attorney. [/*]I agree with you. It does sound like they are only wanting a sit down with Jason and have not submitted any questions to his attorney. That seems rather odd. :shrug:

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Wrong, this was someone else.
I believe his name was Chris Morgan, I have asked Lindsey for the link.
When I reach her, I will have her post if for you.
Hope that helps.

Kat [/*]

I'm sure you do.
Hope that helps that is.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

Isn`t there a lot of homeless living within a couple of miles?
This may have been a robbery turned murder.Maybe the intruder did not go in the home with the intention of hurting anyone. Slip in,rob and slip out. If so,such a shame it turned into such a horror. [/*]


So many different things could have happened.
It could have been , like someone said, a knock on the front door, after the GA friend left, and all hell broke loose.

Maybe it was supposed to be a robbery, and they did not find all the expensive stuff they might have thought was there, and this angered them.

Maybe Michelle refused to turn over her rings.

I never thought this was a planned murder.

I think the reason Jason got scared, is because he knew he could or would get blamed, and he knew if they found out about MM, it would look bad.

Look at the things that have been posted about him here.

Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by WonderingInSC


I know that case. Knew Brian in college. The reason they thought it was not random is that the family had planned a party that day, which never happened. The killers went to the front door, and were inside when a friend dropped one of their daughters off that morning. That was a very different case than most. Not one to compare to this one. [/*]

My point was that LE can be wrong in their initial statement it was/wasn't a random act.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Maybe the Sheriff just like to whine and make it look like Jason is why this case has not been solved,not even a suspect. Sounds like he continues to make excuses for his investigators who works under his guidance. Poor WCSD,the husband want talk to us,we need to know if his murdered wife leaves the porch light on at night. [/*]

I noticed he didn't mention Jason or lack of cooperation during his media comments at the bug celebration.

[SaraSidle]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Otterman


I heard from a reliable source GA girl left out the front door, as the garage door was closed and no way to open it remotely [/*][/QUO


How would they get their cars in and out then?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by zed


Maybe the guy that murdered Michelle had a key, and maybe he left the door unlocked when he left. Maybe he wanted it to look like someone broke in through the partially open garage and entered through an unlocked door.

An unlocked door after the murder does not mean that it was unlocked before the murder. The type of lock also has nothing to do with who unlocked it.

It's possible that the friend left through the patio or front door, and Michelle assumed that if the kitchen to stairwell door was locked, then Jason remembered to lock the stairwell to garage door as well. [/*]

Open doors, partial or not, do not give the appearance of a break in.

Why would Jason lock any door behind him when he left? His wife and friend were inside and the friend would be leaving, dog let outside, etc. He had no reason to lock the door he exited.

An unlocked door after the murder does indicate it was unlocked prior to the murder and that Michelle was the one who left it unlocked.

Why would the friend leave through the patio door? That doesn't even make sense so I discard it as a possibility.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

Isn`t there a lot of homeless living within a couple of miles?
This may have been a robbery turned murder.Maybe the intruder did not go in the home with the intention of hurting anyone. Slip in,rob and slip out. If so,such a shame it turned into such a horror. [/*]

If that were the case, there would be a lot more evidence of a stranger murderer. IMO

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by zed


Thanks. I guess that would leave the possibility that Michelle checked the kitchen door, found it locked, and assumed the connecting door stairwell/garage door was locked but it wasn't, or someone had a key. [/*]

Where do you get the idea there were multiple doors from house to garage?

[fiver]

Originally posted by Barbara2


If that were the case, there would be a lot more evidence of a stranger murderer. IMO [/*]Such as?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Otterman


My bet is on a key.

Most husbands have a key to their own homes.
Most wives lock the doors when home alone with a small child. [/*]

Most husbands don't carry keys with them to every door in the house. And not everybody remembers to lock all the doors before they go to bed, unfortunately in this case that may have been a fatal mistake.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by zed


Sure, except the police have said it was not random and not a robbery, which helps narrow down the suspect list.

I see no reason why a healthy 29 year old former cheerleader would be exhausted. Do you have any reasons why you think she was? [/*]


Sheesh, Zed, I don't know.
She was 5 months pregnant, I think she worked that today, I know she cared for C, maybe she made dinner, then she had to say goodbye to Jason, get C ready for bed, before she finally settled down to watch G A w/ her friend.

Then she most likely let Mr G out before bedtime.

Think she was a little tired, Zed?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by fiver
Such as? [/*]

Bloody footprints, stolen items, fingerprints, weapon, door left open, child harmed, dog harmed. Lots of possibilities. IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Otterman


Actually, I was told that poster's blog was much more sensitive and thus comforting to the family than the very blunt autopsy report ;) [/*]


I doubt it......but if it helps some people to be able to sleep at nite.........

Kat

[fiver]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


But your posting of the autopsy report on the internet gave them great solace.

:rolleyes:


Kat [/*]I agree with the words from the staff at the ME's office as told by Amanda Lamb:

"One of the men commented that they are used to these types of photographs, but could not understand why anyone else would ever want to see them unless it is related to their job."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/blogpost/1193658/

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Sheesh, Zed, I don't know.
She was 5 months pregnant, I think she worked that today, I know she cared for C, maybe she made dinner, then she had to say goodbye to Jason, get C ready for bed, before she finally settled down to watch G A w/ her friend.

Then she most likely let Mr G out before bedtime.

Think she was a little tired, Zed? [/*]

You might want to ask Lindsey. I believe that poster indicated that Michelle was on the computer after midnight. You can ask her that when you ask her about the profiler.

[fiver]

Originally posted by zed


Oh yes, that I agree with. Most moms with a small child will check all doors and windows before going to bed at night when they are alone. [/*]Perhaps she had not yet gone to bed :shrug:

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by Barbara2


If that were the case, there would be a lot more evidence of a stranger murderer. IMO [/*]

Barbara2

ITA.
LE doesn't just pull "random" or "not random" out of a hat (no pun intended).
They knew immediately that it was not random because of probability.
Would be robbers and burglars don't usually kill and if they had to they do it with just enough force to get the job done. That's termed instrumental homicide. Expressive homicide is that which, as the name implies, expresses something about the victim. That's not to say that strangers don't express themselves homicidally because they do but they do it differently. That's why LE knew it was no stranger.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by zed


Sure, except the police have said it was not random and not a robbery, which helps narrow down the suspect list.

I see no reason why a healthy 29 year old former cheerleader would be exhausted. Do you have any reasons why you think she was? [/*]


But, L E could not know all that at the time, and once again, it leads us back to the rings.......

Wasn't the Pam Smart case about a husband being killed because he would not take off his wedding ring?

How do you know Michelle refused to do the same?
Her fingers were reportedly bruised.

Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



I doubt it......but if it helps some people to be able to sleep at nite.........

Kat [/*]

I would hope that anyone that found out that anything they did brought pain to someone who is already dealing with more than their share would reconsider their words and actions and be a little bit kinder. IMO

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by zed


Oh yes, that I agree with. Most moms with a small child will check all doors and windows before going to bed at night when they are alone. [/*]

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Originally posted by zed


Thanks. I guess that would leave the possibility that Michelle checked the kitchen door, found it locked, and assumed the connecting door stairwell/garage door was locked but it wasn't, or someone had a key. [/*]
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Where do you get the idea there were multiple doors from house to garage?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by zed


Most people have all the doors to the house re-keyed to work with one key. [/*]

No indication the Youngs did that.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Otterman


My bet is on a key.

Most husbands have a key to their own homes.
Most wives lock the doors when home alone with a small child. [/*]

But, that is not a given.
Michelle could have forgot.
Or she could have planned to get up and lock up, but fell asleep.
Or, she was tired.
Or she felt safe.
Or maybe they did not have a habit of locking all the doors.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by zed


I don't think a 29 year old healthy, fit woman is going to be exhausted because she is 20 weeks pregnant. Pregnancy is not an illness, it's a perfectly normal event that women can do without a wheelchair.

No, other than normal end of day tired, I do not think there is anything to support the idea that Michelle was exhausted. [/*]

But, her GA friend would know...
Right?

Kat

[fiver]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Bloody footprints, stolen items, fingerprints, weapon, door left open, child harmed, dog harmed. Lots of possibilities. IMO [/*]There is a possibility that bloody footprints and fingerprints exist that are not matched to anyone and it's never been clear if the weapon was found or identified, has it? Also, I thought I read somewhere that a door was open when Meredith arrived at the house.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by zed


There have been many photos of the house on real estate sites. It's easy to see where there were doors. Sorry if you missed the information. [/*]

as a matter of fact, I did see the photos and there was only one door between the house and garage. Sorry if you missed the information.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I would hope that anyone that found out that anything they did brought pain to someone who is already dealing with more than their share would reconsider their words and actions and be a little bit kinder. IMO [/*]


Yep, I agree, there are many posters here who are mean to the Youngs.
Thank you for pointing that out.
Kat

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by Otterman


Most homes have a single key to open each and every exterior door. Apparently yours does not.

A pregnant Mother at home alone with a 2 year old is more likely to lock the door than not. ;) [/*]

True.
LE didn't label this homicide as "not random" because of doors, locked or no. Michelle, or the murderer familiar to her, could have left every door unlocked and LE STILL (caps for emphasis only) would have called it what they did.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Most husbands don't carry keys with them to every door in the house. And not everybody remembers to lock all the doors before they go to bed, unfortunately in this case that may have been a fatal mistake. [/*]

Why would Jason lock up, knowing that Michelle had company, that she would probably walk her to the car, and then lock up?

????

Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by fiver
There is a possibility that bloody footprints and fingerprints exist that are not matched to anyone and it's never been clear if the weapon was found or identified, has it? Also, I thought I read somewhere that a door was open when Meredith arrived at the house. [/*]

That's it in a nutshell.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Why would Jason lock up, knowing that Michelle had company, that she would probably walk her to the car, and then lock up?

????

Kat [/*]

He wouldn't. The GA friend was there and knows which exit Jason left through. The idea that Jason left doors unlocked and partially open as an effort to present a staged breakin is fairly absurd, isn't it.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by SaraSidle



Thanks Jammies. And thank you kat for getting my hopes up and letting me waste so much time on CNN. [/*]

Sara, every other day there is going to be an arrest in this case, soon you will learn like the rest of us.
Besides, CNN is very informative...
Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by zed


On that you are mistaken. This much I know as fact. [/*]

I'm not mistaken. There was only one door between garage and house and it opened into a vestibule containing the stairway and the doorway into the kitchen.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Otterman


Again, a pregnant Mother at home alone with a 2 year old is more likely to lock the door than not.

Compare the odds, I heard you are good at that ;) [/*]

Not if she accidentally fell asleep first.
Not if she felt she lived in a good neighborhood and felt safe.
Not if she thought the alarm system was not needed.
Not if she had a dog.


Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by fiver
There is a possibility that bloody footprints and fingerprints exist that are not matched to anyone and it's never been clear if the weapon was found or identified, has it? Also, I thought I read somewhere that a door was open when Meredith arrived at the house. [/*]

If there were other footprints/fingerprints that have not been identified, you would think that investigators would certainly be going in another direction. So far that doesn't seem to be the case.

I don't know about the door. I've heard that said but I don't know about the accuracy. Remember that we also heard on one show that Jason's car was at an airport. It turns out that the person saying it was confusing two cases.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by zed


No, but it's a reasonable assumption. There were three exterior doors plus the connecting doors between the stairs/garage and stairs/kitchen. That means 5 keys to carry around, or having all the doors re-keyed for one key.

I wonder if two well educated professionals chose to carry 5 house keys or one. [/*]

Actually, it is not a reasonable assumption and I have no idea where you got the idea there was a separate door between the stairs and garage.

They only needed to carry one key to gain entry to the house for when the electricity was off and the automatic garage door didn't work. Why rekey all the doors? Seems like a waste of money to do that.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Yep, I agree, there are many posters here who are mean to the Youngs.
Thank you for pointing that out.
Kat [/*]

I'm sure that's not what I meant. You can take it to heart or ignore it. That's not my choice.

[fiver]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



But, L E could not know all that at the time, and once again, it leads us back to the rings.......

Wasn't the Pam Smart case about a husband being killed because he would not take off his wedding ring?

How do you know Michelle refused to do the same?
Her fingers were reportedly bruised.

Kat [/*]The way I understood it, the wounds to her hands were defensive in nature.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Otterman


Most homes have a single key to open each and every exterior door. Apparently yours does not.

[/*]

Neither does mine, or my parent's, or my brother's, or my next door neighbors.................

Apparently most homes don't have a single key to open each and every exterior door.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by agathachristie


How do you know that? [/*]

Where's the indication?

[fiver]

Originally posted by Barbara2


If there were other footprints/fingerprints that have not been identified, you would think that investigators would certainly be going in another direction. So far that doesn't seem to be the case.

I don't know about the door. I've heard that said but I don't know about the accuracy. Remember that we also heard on one show that Jason's car was at an airport. It turns out that the person saying it was confusing two cases. [/*]Well, they did get prints from family and friends, didn't they? If they are not able to identify a foreign print, they probably would not shut down the investigation. For all we know, that could be why there hasn't been an arrest :shrug:

This is one place where I read about an open door:

"MIKE BROOKS, FORMER D.C. POLICE: I mean, absolutely not, Nancy, because he`s not going to hang around the house. And, you know, the daughter running all around, didn`t know what to do. There`s going to be her footprints there.

Now, they said there`s blunt force trauma. Did she beat herself to death? I seriously doubt that. And, you know, there was no sign of forced entry. This wasn`t a, you know, random. The door was open. You know, it had..."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0611/10/ng.01.html

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by zed


You answered your own question. There's the door between the house and the garage, and the doorway between the stairway and the kitchen. [/*]

No door between the stairway and kitchen. It is a doorway with no door.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Otterman


Yep, I know. She has leaked nothing about what she told the cops. She is a key prosecution witness that will likely be crucial in nailing of JY.

Nope. WCSO has their GJ every other Tuesday ;) [/*]

Yep, it was posted she did tell L E a few different stories, like where in the house she actually found C.

Is that why they brought her back in?

Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Yep, it was posted she did tell L E a few different stories, like where in the house she actually found C.

Is that why they brought her back in?

Kat [/*]

How would anyone posting here know what she told LE unless the poster was a member of LE?

[fiver]

Originally posted by Barbara2


How would anyone posting here know what she told LE unless the poster was a member of LE? [/*]The same way they would know if she leaked what she told LE to anyone who then leaked it on the internet :shrug:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Yep, it was posted she did tell L E a few different stories, like where in the house she actually found C.

Is that why they brought her back in?

Kat [/*]

Conflicting statements would be as good a reason as any to ask someone to come back in and talk to LE.

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Neither does mine, or my parent's, or my brother's, or my next door neighbors.................

Apparently most homes don't have a single key to open each and every exterior door. [/*]

Mine does.
But then, we just bought this house and installed all new locks?
JMO

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


How would anyone posting here know what she told LE unless the poster was a member of LE? [/*]

It may be mentioned as probable cause on search warrants that haven't been returned.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Barbara2


How would anyone posting here know what she told LE unless the poster was a member of LE? [/*]

Ask Otterman

[Barbara2]

Otterman- How would anyone know what Meredith told LE unless they were a member of LE? Did you hear that she told different stories? Why would I be directed to ask you?

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Yep, it was posted she did tell L E a few different stories, like where in the house she actually found C.

Is that why they brought her back in?

Kat [/*]


Link please.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


It may be mentioned as probable cause on search warrants that haven't been returned. [/*]

And again, how would a poster here have that information unless that poster is a member of LE? It's a legitimate question.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by zed


I'm not going to debate this further. The photos of the house are no longer available on the real estate website, so I can't direct you to the photos of the kitchen with the door just behind the black fridge; the one to the right of the cupboards. If you have a chance to review the photos some other way, that is the door between the kitchen and stairway that I am talking about. [/*]

That wasn't to the stairway. It's also a moot point. Only one door between house and garage and it lead to stairs and kitchen. A single door. Don't know how to make it any plainer to you.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


And again, how would a poster here have that information unless that poster is a member of LE? It's a legitimate question. [/*]

Posters here may have seen or heard about the search warrants that haven't been returned.

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Posters here may have seen or heard about the search warrants that haven't been returned. [/*]

What?

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by zed


Meredith's statements to police have never been made public. [/*]

Then how does anyone know about them? How does Kat supposedly know that Meredith was called "back in?"
TIA

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Posters here may have seen or heard about the search warrants that haven't been returned. [/*]

In what connection would the poster have seen or heard about a warrant that has not been returned? Is this a family member who is posting here? I don't remember seeing anything posted here about Meredith telling different stories except rumors posted by posters with no links or even any indication of a credible source. I would like to know if the information is believable or something posted by someone trying to change opinions and nothing else.

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Conflicting statements would be as good a reason as any to ask someone to come back in and talk to LE. [/*]


Who made conflicting statements and how would you know about it if they did? TIA

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Otterman


Just another internet rumor.
What MF told the cops has not leaked on message boards [/*]

So, how do you know that, Otter, is it?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by zed


Who knows how Kat knows what Meredith told the police. I doubt the police would be happy to learn that someone on a message board has been discussing Meredith's statement. [/*]

It was posted here that she gave conflicting stories on where she found C in the home.
It happened way before I got here, I was watching football.

:)

Kat

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by zed


Who knows how Kat knows what Meredith told the police. I doubt the police would be happy to learn that someone on a message board has been discussing Meredith's statement. [/*]

Ok.
Let's clarify.
You're saying then that Kat is correct?
Meredith made conflicting statements to LE that resulted in her being "called back in?" TIA

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


In what connection would the poster have seen or heard about a warrant that has not been returned? Is this a family member who is posting here? I don't remember seeing anything posted here about Meredith telling different stories except rumors posted by posters with no links or even any indication of a credible source. I would like to know if the information is believable or something posted by someone trying to change opinions and nothing else. [/*]

Posters may have seen or heard about the search warrants the same way the media saw or heard about the warrants, i.e., from those who saw and read the warrants.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by zed


Who knows how Kat knows what Meredith told the police. I doubt the police would be happy to learn that someone on a message board has been discussing Meredith's statement. [/*]


I would also think they would be upset knowing someone is posting info about undercover cops being in Brevard ready to take Jason in,

So much for the element of surprise, or the safety and security of their officers.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Otterman


Address me by my correct nic . [/*]



RPD?

Okay, sorry.

:)
Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Posters may have seen or heard about the search warrants the same way the media saw or heard about the warrants, i.e., from those who saw and read the warrants. [/*]

The ones that the media posted about were returned. The ones that were served on 2/14 did not have any information that the media could report. All they can see is that a warrant was served but not the contents. Are you trying to tell me that someone from Meredith's family shared with you what was on a warrant that was not returned regarding her? Are you sure you believe this tall tale??

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Posters may have seen or heard about the search warrants the same way the media saw or heard about the warrants, i.e., from those who saw and read the warrants. [/*]


It was posted that the she had to go back in for another interview, :shrug:

Please don't tell me things I read here, are not true.
I would be crushed.

Kat

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


It was posted here that she gave conflicting stories on where she found C in the home.
It happened way before I got here, I was watching football.

:)

Kat [/*]

Didn't the moderator clarify nicknames, etc.?
Why do you insist on calling Cassidy "C?"
I'm sure you're unaware of this but many people who work in the medical profession use "C" as a shortened form of the word cancer. Cancer as in the disease cancer. Surely you've heard someone say something about the "big C?" Would you, could you at least refer to this little girl by her given name?

JMO

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
It was plastered on the internet that Linda and Michelle met with the DA just last week. Posters on the boards where I read it was sure the DA was telling them an arrest was about to be made. Everyone of them agreed. That had to be it. OOPS!!! maybe the DA had some questions for them? Maybe some stories didn`t add up? Maybe about the notes that is only in the hands of the DA`S from Michelle`s counselor? Who know`s? [/*]

So far, no arrest so you're probably spot on that the reason was for additional questioning. LE bringing the mother into it is quite interesting.

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
It was plastered on the internet that Linda and Michelle met with the DA just last week. Posters on the boards where I read it was sure the DA was telling them an arrest was about to be made. Everyone of them agreed. That had to be it. OOPS!!! maybe the DA had some questions for them? Maybe some stories didn`t add up? Maybe about the notes that is only in the hands of the DA`S from Michelle`s counselor? Who know`s? [/*]


That is not even close to the inference given in the statement that Meredith was called "back in" for conflicting statements. JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Celiarun


So far, no arrest so you're probably spot on that the reason was for additional questioning. LE bringing the mother into it is quite interesting. [/*]

Why were the Fishers called back in last week?

Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


So far, no arrest so you're probably spot on that the reason was for additional questioning. LE bringing the mother into it is quite interesting. [/*]

Believe what you want. It doesn't change reality.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


The ones that the media posted about were returned. The ones that were served on 2/14 did not have any information that the media could report. All they can see is that a warrant was served but not the contents. Are you trying to tell me that someone from Meredith's family shared with you what was on a warrant that was not returned regarding her? Are you sure you believe this tall tale?? [/*]

No, the media did not see that the warrant was served. They got a tip and asked LE to confirm and LE did so.

Meredith wouldn't know was on those warrants unless LE or the Young family told her. The Young family is free to talk about it.

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
It was plastered on the internet that Linda and Michelle met with the DA just last week. Posters on the boards where I read it was sure the DA was telling them an arrest was about to be made. Everyone of them agreed. That had to be it. OOPS!!! maybe the DA had some questions for them? Maybe some stories didn`t add up? Maybe about the notes that is only in the hands of the DA`S from Michelle`s counselor? Who know`s? [/*]

So did you make the enormous inferential leap from "meeting with the DA's office" to being "called back in" by yourself or did you have help? TIA

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
It was plastered on the internet that Linda and Michelle met with the DA just last week. Posters on the boards where I read it was sure the DA was telling them an arrest was about to be made. Everyone of them agreed. That had to be it. OOPS!!! maybe the DA had some questions for them? Maybe some stories didn`t add up? Maybe about the notes that is only in the hands of the DA`S from Michelle`s counselor? Who know`s? [/*]

"Everyone of them" did not agree. I remember that discussion and I never claimed that an arrest was imminent. I think that a few expressed wishful thinking but no one thought they were telling anyone about an arrest. IMO

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Why were the Fishers called back in last week?

Kat [/*]

Most likely for additional questioning. What other reason could there be? Jason hasn't been arrested.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


No, the media did not see that the warrant was served. They got a tip and asked LE to confirm and LE did so.

Meredith wouldn't know was on those warrants unless LE or the Young family told her. The Young family is free to talk about it. [/*]

You're talking about two different things. I never said anything about Meredith knowing about what was on the 2/14 warrants but I would assume she would know what was on a warrant served on her if any such warrant existed.

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Why were the Fishers called back in last week?

Kat [/*]


Who said the Fisher's were "called back in?"
Meeting with the DA could mean anything and probably means they are being kept apprised of the status of the case. Stating they were "called back in" gives a whole new, much more sinister twist to the statement. I thought you were not anti-Fisher but merely pro-Jason Young?


JMO

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
I use "C" to protect her identity. We were ask to do this when this message board began discussing the case. I still use it. She is a minor...
This is NOT about cancer,it is about a murder.:confused: [/*]

Hence the distinction I made.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by zed
Here it is. and we can see the hinges on the kitchen door.


http://www.daknoidx.com/triangle_mls_images/942584_3.jpg [/*]


As I said, there is a vestibule. Through the kitchen doorway (no door) is the 9-window-paned door connecting the house to the garage. If you look through that door's glass, you will see the garage door that leads to the back yard from the garage.

The stairway is along the wall behind the stove.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by zed


Isn't it normal for the family of a murder victim to want to touch base with the police and inquire about the investigation? [/*]

Not to all family members apparently. JY doesn't touch base with LE to inquire about the investigation.

Only family member who care about their loved one and the progress of the investigation will want to keep in touch with LE.

IMO

[on the go]

Originally posted by forpsystudent



Who said the Fisher's were "called back in?"
Meeting with the DA could mean anything and probably means they are being kept apprised of the status of the case.

-snipped-

JMO [/*]

Correct.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by forpsystudent


Didn't the moderator clarify nicknames, etc.?
Why do you insist on calling Cassidy "C?"
I'm sure you're unaware of this but many people who work in the medical profession use "C" as a shortened form of the word cancer. Cancer as in the disease cancer. Surely you've heard someone say something about the "big C?" Would you, could you at least refer to this little girl by her given name?

JMO [/*]

:rolleyes:

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
You don`t have to be so rude. [/*]


Rude?
Try incredulous.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


You're talking about two different things. I never said anything about Meredith knowing about what was on the 2/14 warrants but I would assume she would know what was on a warrant served on her if any such warrant existed. [/*]

Meredith wouldn't know about probable cause in search warrants not served directly to her unless someone who has seen it, tells her. My point was that her conflicting statements to LE may appear in the probable cause of search warrants that the Youngs have seen and Meredith hasn't seen.

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
I use "C" to protect her identity. We were ask to do this when this message board began discussing the case. I still use it. She is a minor...
This is NOT about cancer,it is about a murder.:confused: [/*]


Ohhh.
I hadn't thought of that.
Protect her identity.
Like no one knows who she is?
Uh huh.

[on the go]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Meredith wouldn't know about probable cause in search warrants not served directly to her unless someone who has seen it, tells her. My point was that her conflicting statements to LE may appear in the probable cause of search warrants that the Youngs have seen and Meredith hasn't seen. [/*]

I never heard/read of any conflicting statements. Do you have a link?

[on the go]

Originally posted by Otterman


Dream on, cause YOU have not seen any such warrants. [/*]

A friend of Pat Young spoke about how upsetting the 2/14 warrants were. Guess he must have seen them.

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Meredith wouldn't know about probable cause in search warrants not served directly to her unless someone who has seen it, tells her. My point was that her conflicting statements to LE may appear in the probable cause of search warrants that the Youngs have seen and Meredith hasn't seen. [/*]


That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
JMO

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Meredith wouldn't know about probable cause in search warrants not served directly to her unless someone who has seen it, tells her. My point was that her conflicting statements to LE may appear in the probable cause of search warrants that the Youngs have seen and Meredith hasn't seen. [/*]

Why would anything related to her be on a search warrant served on the Youngs?

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by Otterman


I have no doubt the family "case consultant" saw them. [/*]


Oh no.
Not the "case consultant."
He scares me and I don't scare easily.
JMO

[on the go]

Originally posted by Otterman


I have no doubt the family "case consultant" saw them. [/*]

Did the friend of Pat Young ever elaborate on what was contained in those warrants? He seemed distraught.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
I use "C" to protect her identity. We were ask to do this when this message board began discussing the case. I still use it. She is a minor...
This is NOT about cancer,it is about a murder.:confused: [/*]


I use C for respect for Michelle who would not even want her child discussed on a public message board to begin with.

Michelle would have hated it.

Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



I use C for respect for Michelle who would not even want her child discussed on a public message board to begin with.

Michelle would have hated it.

Kat [/*]

I think CY would be the better choice. I don't like associating that precious child with something negative. JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943


That's a real good possibility. [/*]

Interesting, like if Witness A or Bee swore Jason had something in his possession,, then L E went looking it for it, and found nothing, would they call Witness A and Bee back to tell them they were merely mistaken?

Kat

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by agathachristie


I agree . I installed new storm doors several years ago. Complete PIA as they had different keys. Time to update your system. Makes life much easier. Their house was built later. One would think that all doors opened with one key.

MOO Aggie [/*]

Nah, an extra key or two doesn't bother me. I seldom use any of them but the front door key.

[on the go]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Interesting, like if Witness A or Bee swore Jason had something in his possession,, then L E went looking it for it, and found nothing, would they call Witness A and Bee back to tell them they were merely mistaken?

Kat [/*]

Perhaps LE would keep on looking.

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Huh? Are you reading tonight all the posters post or just a portion?hammer [/*]


I have no clue what you are going on about.
Could you lay off that hammer thing though?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I think CY would be the better choice. I don't like associating that precious child with something negative. JMO [/*]


I associate the child with nothing negative.

She is adorable and needs to be protected.

Anyone who reads more into it than that, needs to ask themselves why.

Some of you think she witnessed her Mom's murder, so if I tend not to use her full name, that is my wish.
And, my right.

Kat

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Not from me they don`t. I can`t control others who call her by name. Like I said, she is a minor.. [/*]


As Barbara suggested, you could call her CY.
Or take a page out of Kat's playbook and call her the only surviving child.
JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Otterman


How would she feel reading your hateful posts about her beloved sister ? Get real :rolleyes: [/*]


What about her beloved husband?

Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



I associate the child with nothing negative.

She is adorable and needs to be protected.

Anyone who reads more into it than that, needs to ask themselves why.

Some of you think she witnessed her Mom's murder, so if I tend not to use her full name, that is my wish.
And, my right.

Kat [/*]

That's not what I meant. A poster indicated that the letter "C" is associated with cancer. I can't use that abbreviation for CY because I think it has a negative connotation. It's my personal preference. I won't be surprised if you disagree with me.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by forpsystudent



As Barbara suggested, you could call her CY.
Or take a page out of Kat's playbook and call her the only surviving child.
JMO [/*]


I don't call her that, and please don't speak for me.
Gosh, we can't call Meredith , Mere, and now we are supposed to call C , CY?
Anyone running this by CW?
Cause I can..

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Not from me they don`t. I can`t control others who call her by name. Like I said, she is a minor.. [/*]


She is a minor, she could be a witness.
She needs to be protected as much as possible, in any way she can.
She can not defend herself .

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Then think positive. [/*]

^5.

Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



I don't call her that, and please don't speak for me.
Gosh, we can't call Meredith , Mere, and now we are supposed to call C , CY?
Anyone running this by CW?
Cause I can..

Kat [/*]

Oh good grief. Do you not want anyone posting here any more? Is that the goal? I'm really curious what the agenda is here.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Otterman


So what ?

Voice your concerns to each and every media broadcast and publication (scores) that has carried her image and name over the past 18 months. [/*]



It does not mean we have to do it here.

If you want to do it, go ahead..

Some of us who care about her ,won't though, k?

Kat

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



I don't call her that, and please don't speak for me.
Gosh, we can't call Meredith , Mere, and now we are supposed to call C , CY?
Anyone running this by CW?
Cause I can..

Kat [/*]

Oh no!
I'm sorry Kat!

[on the go]

Originally posted by forpsystudent



I have no clue what you are going on about.
Could you lay off that hammer thing though? [/*]

Considering the way Michelle died, I find the use of the hammer thing disturbing.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Actually in the medical profession they use Ca. for cancer. [/*]

In real life it's referred to as "the big C".

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by Otterman


Why do you come back and post this ?

Ca. is short for California, not cancer. [/*]

No, they're right.
In official medical language it is CA. Not Ca.
Unofficially people refer to it as the big "C," just as non professionals do. JMO

[on the go]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Well if the hammer is distrubing,I suggest you go over to the, what`s for dinner thread. You must have really been disturbed when the AR was splattered all over the board. I just scrolled by it and anything else that disturbs me. I even took a break from the board today because of the issue of one door being unlocked and the consequences that may have come from that fact. I was really disturbed that Jason is being called a murderer,murder,murder when it could easily have been anyone. So maybe you should try it. It did work for me. [/*]

Wasn't singling you out. Just find the use of this disturbing. Obviously, you are upset about other things that I have not made comment about.

[fiver]

Originally posted by zed


Isn't it normal for the family of a murder victim to want to touch base with the police and inquire about the investigation? [/*]They didn't get an update from the Sheriff and his deputies at the LadyBug Liftoff? :shrug:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Why would anything related to her be on a search warrant served on the Youngs? [/*]

I think it is more than obvious.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


I think it is more than obvious. [/*]

I guess I'm not understanding your implications because it's not obvious to me. Why are the Youngs being served with a warrant regarding statements made by Meredith?

[fiver]

Originally posted by fanny_mae


They were off duty remember? They went to show their support. I doubt they would discuss something like that in the presence of the media and Michelle's friends. [/*]Their brains don't shut off when they are off duty. Besides, the Sheriff was all decked out in his uniform.

[forpsystudent]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Check charts,Dr. Writings and then correct me. Capital C with a small a. [/*]

Dr. Writings?

Ok, whatever.
You're the medical expert.
:rolleyes:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Otterman


So what ?

Voice your concerns to each and every media broadcast and publication (scores) that has carried her image and name over the past 18 months. [/*]

Not all media. Here's one that is abiding by ethical standards.

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2008-05-10-0007.html

[fiver]

Originally posted by fanny_mae


Okay? So? That still doesn't mean that progress on a murder case would be discussed with the Family at an event surrounded by the media and friends of the victim. Its not the appropriate way to handle it. [/*]A statement was made for the media but they didn't have a private talk with the Family about the status of the investigation? How very odd.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Not all media. Here's one that is abiding by ethical standards.

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2008-05-10-0007.html [/*]

That article contained her name and her image.

Oh! You mean because her face is slightly blurred.

[fiver]

Originally posted by fanny_mae


Not at the event. No. [/*]Or before or after it :shrug:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I guess I'm not understanding your implications because it's not obvious to me. Why are the Youngs being served with a warrant regarding statements made by Meredith? [/*]

Then you really haven't followed today's thread. :read:

[fiver]

Originally posted by smack_down



That would be hard when he's not speaking to anyone but his family:shrug: [/*]That is what attorneys are for.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Then you really haven't followed today's thread. [/*]

I did but I guess I missed the link or information related to the warrant that was served on the Youngs but was not returned and included statements made by Meredith. Give me a hint as to what page and time and I'll go :read:

[fiver]

Originally posted by fanny_mae


A few days after it, yes they did. [/*]How odd

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by fanny_mae


Maybe JY can complain to the media outlets and have CY's picture removed then. [/*]

Complain? The media knows the law. If they can't follow it, they'll face lawsuits and regulatory fines and deservedly so.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by fanny_mae


Not really. As someone posted earlier, most families of murder victims meet with LE to discuss the progress of their case.

I find it more odd that JY has never done this. [/*]

I don't find it odd at all. When LE meets with suspects, it's called an interrogation, not a discussion.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by Coldwater


Send me a report, if it's vile, obscene or personal I will take action with the poster. [/*]

Most, if not all of those posts allowed which I referred to, , have gone into cyberland. The entire threads have gone so the posts were allowed.

I will send you a "report" when I see another. They were extremely "vile, obscene and personal'. Total trashing of the victim's family which I have never seen allowed on any other thread within the old CTV and now IS.

As I said before, and will stand behind what I posted, ... this thread is somehow different. It may have changed now but what I have read in the past was extremely defamatory and those posters were allowed to continue to spew that puke on this board.

When (not if) I see it again, I will send you a "report".

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by fiver
How odd [/*]

I do find it interesting that days after that bug celebration, LE calls Meredith and her mother back in.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by fanny_mae


Then its a non-issue. JY can sue all the media outlets if he protests CY's image being shown. He is covered. [/*]

You certainly are callous about that little girl's rights. How would you like it if your toddler's face was plastered on the net leaving open the possibility that her face will then be photoshopped into online pedophile porn?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


I do find it interesting that days after that bug celebration, LE calls Meredith and her mother back in. [/*]

I think there is a big difference between "called in" and "invited in". I believe that Michelle's mother and sister get regular updates on the status of the investigation. I would assume that's standard procedure for LE to keep concerned and caring family members informed. I know they kept Laci's mom informed during the course of the investigation into her daughter's death.

[fiver]

Originally posted by fanny_mae


Not really. As someone posted earlier, most families of murder victims meet with LE to discuss the progress of their case.

I find it more odd that JY has never done this. [/*]Right, and they were all together at the Ladybug Liftoff but nary a word about the status of the investigation to the Family but a public statement was made.

What do you think they tell family members about an ongoing investigation?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by fiver
Right, and they were all together at the Ladybug Liftoff but nary a word about the status of the investigation to the Family but a public statement was made.

What do you think they tell family members about an ongoing investigation? [/*]

If Meredith uttered a word or comment at that shindig that didn't jive with her past statements, that would certainly trigger an invite back in, wouldn't it?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by fanny_mae


Excuse me?

She is a minor. JY is her custodial parent. Take it up with him if you don't like her photo being used. He can put a stop to it immediately. [/*]

JY can't control the media and neither can I.

I can control what I see here.

:seeya:

[fiver]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I think there is a big difference between "called in" and "invited in". I believe that Michelle's mother and sister get regular updates on the status of the investigation. I would assume that's standard procedure for LE to keep concerned and caring family members informed. I know they kept Laci's mom informed during the course of the investigation into her daughter's death. [/*]They don't tell the family anything and Laci's mom complained about that in her book. :shrug:

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Just keep thinking that if it makes you feel better. Remember the picture of Meredith smiling and talking freely with the sheriff and how serious the two detectives looked? if not review it again. Some people just can`t quit talking and talking and talking.They loved her reminiscing and discussing her memories about her sister,niece and I am sure her *-I-L.
Keep talking Meredith. [/*]

ITA. Let her keep talking.

[fiver]

Originally posted by Celiarun


If Meredith uttered a word or comment at that shindig that didn't jive with her past statements, that would certainly trigger an invite back in, wouldn't it? [/*]It could.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by fiver
They don't tell the family anything and Laci's mom complained about that in her book. :shrug: [/*]

They don't give details but they do give status reports. Laci's mom was recruited into helping in the investigation. :unshrug:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by fiver
It could. [/*]

But it didn't.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by fiver
It could. [/*]

Something sure caused those detectives to scowl at Meredith in those photos.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Something sure caused those detectives to scowl at Meredith in those photos. [/*]

Oh my gosh! :lol: That was funny! Don't give up your current job because your detective skills are lacking. You might want to get some info from people who were actually there and not read into photos what you want to see. (I think the sun was in their eyes.) :lol:

[fiver]

Originally posted by smack_down



I doubt he still has his attorney. JMO [/*]Attorneys can be hired with a phone call. I doubt he still has an attorney either, it's not like there is anything for an attorney to work on since there have been no charges filed against Jason.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Otterman



You can't control your nastiness can you ? [/*]

How is the word, scowl, nasty? It's my observation of a photo that's available online.

[fiver]

Originally posted by Barbara2


They don't give details but they do give status reports. Laci's mom was recruited into helping in the investigation. :unshrug: [/*]Status report being "we are working hard on the case", "we are making progess". :reshrug:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by fiver
Status report being "we are working hard on the case", "we are making progess". :reshrug: [/*]

I don't know. I wasn't "called in" with them. :no shrug I hate those things:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
The last sentence,now that is funny!!! [/*]

I think you missed the point, but that's O.K.

[fiver]

Originally posted by Barbara2


But it didn't. [/*]I don't know if it did or didn't. For all I know the whole story is just another rumor.

[fiver]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I don't know. I wasn't "called in" with them. :no shrug I hate those things: [/*]I know from personal experience that LE does not give details of an ongoing criminal investigation to anyone outside LE agencies involved in the investigation. It is very frustrating.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by fiver
I don't know if it did or didn't. For all I know the whole story is just another rumor. [/*]

I care but it doesn't really matter what I believe is rumor. Those who need to have the facts have them and hopefully the murderer will face the consequences of his actions. That's what I REALLY care about.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by fiver
I know from personal experience that LE does not give details of an ongoing criminal investigation to anyone outside LE agencies involved in the investigation. It is very frustrating. [/*]

I understand.

[fiver]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I care but it doesn't really matter what I believe is rumor. Those who need to have the facts have them and hopefully the murderer will face the consequences of his actions. That's what I REALLY care about. [/*]I think that is all anyone really cares about.

[fiver]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I think there is a big difference between "called in" and "invited in". I believe that Michelle's mother and sister get regular updates on the status of the investigation. I would assume that's standard procedure for LE to keep concerned and caring family members informed. I know they kept Laci's mom informed during the course of the investigation into her daughter's death. [/*]I have an idea about what they may have met with the DA about.

[fiver]

Originally posted by fanny_mae



What is your idea fiver? [/*]That Michelle's mother is contemplating filing a wrongful death suit, which must be done before the 2 year anniversary of Michelle's death, and a civil attorney requested the case file from the DA and the DA discussed the issue with them.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by fiver
That Michelle's mother is contemplating filing a wrongful death suit, which must be done before the 2 year anniversary of Michelle's death, and a civil attorney requested the case file from the DA and the DA discussed the issue with them. [/*]

Interesting thought but does the mother have legal standing to file such a suit?

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



I use C for respect for Michelle who would not even want her child discussed on a public message board to begin with.

Michelle would have hated it.

Kat [/*]

Then please have the same respect for her sister, Meredith.

[on the go]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Interesting thought but does the mother have legal standing to file such a suit? [/*]

Weren't the Goldmans successful in filing a wrongful death suit against OJ?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Interesting thought but does the mother have legal standing to file such a suit? [/*]

Why wouldn't she? Sharon Rocha filed one against Scott Peterson, as did Judita Brown against OJ Simpson.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by on the go


Weren't the Goldmans successful in filing a wrongful death suit against OJ? [/*]

yes but they had legal standing to file it.

[on the go]

Originally posted by Celiarun


yes but they had legal standing to file it. [/*]


Please explain "but".

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by on the go



Please explain "but". [/*]

I did. Not just anybody can bring a wrongful death action.

[on the go]

Originally posted by Celiarun


I did. Not just anybody can bring a wrongful death action. [/*]

"Just anybody" wouldn't be.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Celiarun


I did. Not just anybody can bring a wrongful death action. [/*]

Can't LF file on behalf of CY?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by on the go


"Just anybody" wouldn't be. [/*]

As of right now, what legal standing does LF have to file a wrongful death lawsuit?

[fiver]

Originally posted by Celiarun


Interesting thought but does the mother have legal standing to file such a suit? [/*]
I am not sure of that. Here is an abbreviation of the slayer law in North Carolina:

§ 31A‑3. Definitions.

As used in this Article, unless the context otherwise requires, the term ‑

(3) "Slayer" means any of the following:

d. A person who is found by a preponderance of the evidence in a civil action brought within two years after the death of the decedent to have willfully and unlawfully killed the decedent or procured the killing of the decedent. If a criminal proceeding is brought against the person to establish the person's guilt as a principal or accessory before the fact of the willful and unlawful killing of the decedent within two years after the death of the decedent, the civil action may be brought within 90 days after a final determination is made by a court of competent jurisdiction in that criminal proceeding or within the original two years after the death of the decedent, whichever is later. The burden of proof in the civil action is on the party seeking to establish that the killing was willful and unlawful for the purposes of this Article.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/bysection/chapter_31a/gs_31a-3.html

§ 28A‑18‑2. Death by wrongful act of another; recovery not assets.
...shall be liable to an action for damages, to be brought by the personal representative or collector of the decedent;...

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/bysection/chapter_28a/gs_28a-18-2.html

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Can't LF file on behalf of CY? [/*]

No, she doesn't have custody and Jason's parental rights are intact.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Celiarun


No, she doesn't have custody and Jason's parental rights are intact. [/*]

He is a suspect in MY's murder as per the SWs.

[fiver]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Why wouldn't she? Sharon Rocha filed one against Scott Peterson, as did Judita Brown against OJ Simpson. [/*]Those are California cases, the rules of civil procedure may be different :shrug:

[on the go]

Originally posted by Celiarun


As of right now, what legal standing does LF have to file a wrongful death lawsuit? [/*]


Mother of the victim - pain and suffering.

[fiver]

Originally posted by on the go



Mother of the victim - pain and suffering. [/*]According to the statute, only the personal representative or collector of the decedent can file a wrongful death suit.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


He is a suspect in MY's murder as per the SWs. [/*]

What does that have to do with his parental rights or the fact that he still legally is Michelle's next of kin?

[SaraSidle]

Originally posted by fiver
According to the statute, only the personal representative or collector of the decedent can file a wrongful death suit. [/*]


In this case who would be the collector of the decedent?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Otterman


Anyone can file a suite. A Judge will rule she has more than enough legal standing when she skins JY for killing her Daughter and Grandson. [/*]

Not just anyone. It is spelled out in statute.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by fiver
According to the statute, only the personal representative or collector of the decedent can file a wrongful death suit. [/*]

Did MY have a will? If so, who is the administrator?

TIA

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Did MY have a will? If so, who is the administrator?

TIA [/*]

I don't believe the Will has been probated. The administrator has to be confirmed/appointed by the Probate Court.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by SaraSidle



In this case who would be the collector of the decedent? [/*]

It's usually the spouse.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Otterman


After JY is locked up , doncha think Linda will be her personal representative ?

bTW, what google search did you use to get that BS ? [/*]

Since when are state statutes BS?

[fiver]

Originally posted by SaraSidle



In this case who would be the collector of the decedent? [/*]The person who "collects" the decent's estate if I understand it correctly.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by fiver
The person who "collects" the decent's estate if I understand it correctly. [/*]

Right. Collection of debts and assets. Debts such as credit card charges don't vanish when someone dies, even if it was only in her name.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Otterman


No, but she is very well aware of just how cold and cruel you have been to both she and Meredith.
All of your posts at RU are saved for later.;) [/*]

Do you always post in riddles?

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Otterman


OK, I'll give you the answer.
You are gonna wish you never heard of Linda and Meredith Fisher in the not too distant future.;) [/*]

That sounds very much like an empty threat.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Otterman

Why would I threaten you ?
You mean absolutely nothing to me.
Just a pesky pest on a message board. [/*]

Why will I wish I never heard of Linda and Meredith Fisher?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by fiver

I am not sure of that. Here is an abbreviation of the slayer law in North Carolina:

§ 31A‑3. Definitions.

As used in this Article, unless the context otherwise requires, the term ‑

(3) "Slayer" means any of the following:

d. A person who is found by a preponderance of the evidence in a civil action brought within two years after the death of the decedent to have willfully and unlawfully killed the decedent or procured the killing of the decedent. If a criminal proceeding is brought against the person to establish the person's guilt as a principal or accessory before the fact of the willful and unlawful killing of the decedent within two years after the death of the decedent, the civil action may be brought within 90 days after a final determination is made by a court of competent jurisdiction in that criminal proceeding or within the original two years after the death of the decedent, whichever is later. The burden of proof in the civil action is on the party seeking to establish that the killing was willful and unlawful for the purposes of this Article.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/bysection/chapter_31a/gs_31a-3.html

§ 28A‑18‑2. Death by wrongful act of another; recovery not assets.
...shall be liable to an action for damages, to be brought by the personal representative or collector of the decedent;...

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/bysection/chapter_28a/gs_28a-18-2.html [/*]


So, if the suit has to be filed in 2 years, and there is no arrest in all that time, then what?

That there is only 6 more months to get both an arrest and an conviction?

It is easy to win a judgement, but difficult to collect.
It becomes more of a personal victory for the victim than anything else.
Try collecting a million dollars from someone sitting on Death Row, example.SP....or someone like OJ, who refuses to pay.



Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



So, if the suit has to be filed in 2 years, and there is no arrest in all that time, then what?

That there is only 6 more months to get both an arrest and an conviction?

It is easy to win a judgement, but difficult to collect.
It becomes more of a personal victory for the victim than anything else.
Try collecting a million dollars from someone sitting on Death Row, example.SP....or someone like OJ, who refuses to pay.



Kat [/*]

The lawsuit has to be filed in 2 years AND has to be filed by someone with legal standing to file it.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by fanny_mae



Most only want to see justice for their loved one, knowing full well they will never see a dime. Its a way for the families of the victim to have some sort of closure. As with SP and OJ, those families don't expect, IMO, to collect a dime. They just want
justice. [/*]

I understand that completely and have no problem with anyone filing one.

It is just another trial for the family to go through, although a lot easier to prove.

It is still another heartache though,


Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


I understand that completely and have no problem with anyone filing one.

It is just another trial for the family to go through, although a lot easier to prove.

It is still another heartache though,


Kat [/*]

I'm not sure a wrongful death action would be easy to win if there's not been an arrest and trial in the case. There is an element of proof that is required.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Celiarun


I haven't libeled anybody. [/*]

I missed the original post that you captured, but I bet the Youngs feel the same way about things posted here about Jason.

We are all responsible for our posts, not CW, not In Sessions.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Celiarun


I'm not sure a wrongful death action would be easy to win if there's not been an arrest and trial in the case. There is an element of proof that is required. [/*]

That is why I was asking about the time restraint.

Thank you for the link and info.

Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


That is why I was asking about the time restraint.

Thank you for the link and info.

Kat [/*]

I think the suit just has to be filed within two years from DoD. In the S. Peterson case, the civil trial was delayed because of the criminal trial.

[fiver]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



So, if the suit has to be filed in 2 years, and there is no arrest in all that time, then what?

That there is only 6 more months to get both an arrest and an conviction?

It is easy to win a judgement, but difficult to collect.
It becomes more of a personal victory for the victim than anything else.
Try collecting a million dollars from someone sitting on Death Row, example.SP....or someone like OJ, who refuses to pay.



Kat [/*]That's why I think Michelle's mom and sister were visiting with the DA (if they were in fact doing that) to see if there would be an arrest before the 2 year limitation expired or to discuss the hand over of the case file to a civil attorney that is prepared to file.

:shrug:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by fanny_mae


When your child is murdered, these are things you have to do. Like it or not. Fight and protect them to the end no matter how difficult or painful it is for you or anyone else. [/*]


I know that..........and I would expect nothing less from either side of the family when this is over.

:(
Kat

New thread in the am, k?

[fiver]

Originally posted by fanny_mae



Most only want to see justice for their loved one, knowing full well they will never see a dime. Its a way for the families of the victim to have some sort of closure. As with SP and OJ, those families don't expect, IMO, to collect a dime. They just want justice. [/*]I disagree. They want to ensure that the killer does not profit from their crime. Since the Son of Sam Laws were struck down, it is up to the family of the victim to keep the killer from profiting, not the state.

[fiver]

Originally posted by Celiarun


I'm not sure a wrongful death action would be easy to win if there's not been an arrest and trial in the case. There is an element of proof that is required. [/*]I agree and without the case file, the low burden of "preponderance of evidence" would be difficult to attain.

[fiver]

Originally posted by fanny_mae


That means Linda can file a suit. [/*]Only if she is the personal representative or collector. :shrug:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by fiver
I disagree. They want to ensure that the killer does not profit from their crime. Since the Son of Sam Laws were struck down, it is up to the family of the victim to keep the killer from profiting, not the state. [/*]


No one should profit from a murder, least of all, the killer.

Do you think this case will ever be over?

Kat

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by fiver
I agree and without the case file, the low burden of "preponderance of evidence" would be difficult to attain. [/*]

I doubt the DA would share an open criminal case file with a civil attorney under any circumstances.

[fiver]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



No one should profit from a murder, least of all, the killer.

Do you think this case will ever be over?

Kat [/*]
I don't think there will be resolution in this case for a long time. :mad:

[fiver]

Originally posted by Celiarun


I doubt the DA would share an open criminal case file with a civil attorney under any circumstances. [/*]I agree but I still had a thought that maybe that is why Michelle's mom and sister met with him (if they in fact did meet with him).

[fiver]

Originally posted by Coldwater
Tomorrow a Daily thread should be started, all others locked.
If the forum has to be closed it will be permanent, no new threads in any forum until there is updated or breaking news. [/*]

thank you.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by Coldwater
Tomorrow a Daily thread should be started, all others locked.
If the forum has to be closed it will be permanent, no new threads in any forum until there is updated or breaking news. [/*]

Understood. Thanks.

[fiver]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

If there is a strong suspect other then Jason,would the DA be forced to tell Linda if she is thinking of filing a civil case? [/*]I don't think the DA can be forced to divulge any information from an ongoing criminal investigation.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

If there is a strong suspect other then Jason,would the DA be forced to tell Linda if she is thinking of filing a civil case? [/*]

Not forced. The DA doesn't have to tell her anything he doesn't want to tell her.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by fiver
I agree but I still had a thought that maybe that is why Michelle's mom and sister met with him (if they in fact did meet with him). [/*]

All just speculation since we don't know if it's true they met with the DA. They may have requested a meeting with the DA to complain as to why Jason hasn't been arrested.

[fiver]

Originally posted by Celiarun


All just speculation since we don't know if it's true they met with the DA. They may have requested a meeting with the DA to complain as to why Jason hasn't been arrested. [/*]I agree and it's doubtful any civil action could be brought since there isn't even a named suspect.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by fiver
I agree and it's doubtful any civil action could be brought since there isn't even a named suspect. [/*]

isn't even a named POI and that's really unusual. LE will name somebody a POI just to make them sweat. Not done here so I wonder if they really don't have anything on Jason.

[fiver]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



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That there is only 6 more months to get both an arrest and an conviction?

snipped


Kat [/*]No - if the criminal proceedings begin any time in the 2 year time frame, then the civil suit can be brought within 90 days of the final determination of that criminal proceeding. For instance, if Jason was arrested in mid October and a trial date set for June next year, then at the completion of the actual trial the civil suit could be filed and still be considered "timely". However, if no civil suit is filed and no criminal proceedings started by the 2 year mark, then no civil suit can be filed.

[fiver]

Originally posted by Celiarun


isn't even a named POI and that's really unusual. LE will name somebody a POI just to make them sweat. Not done here so I wonder if they really don't have anything on Jason. [/*]Whatever they do have appears to be enough to sustain suspicion but falls short of being enough to bring charges.

[Celiarun]

Originally posted by fiver
No - if the criminal proceedings begin any time in the 2 year time frame, then the civil suit can be brought within 90 days of the final determination of that criminal proceeding. For instance, if Jason was arrested in mid October and a trial date set for June next year, then at the completion of the actual trial the civil suit could be filed and still be considered "timely". However, if no civil suit is filed and no criminal proceedings started by the 2 year mark, then no civil suit can be filed. [/*]

ETA: I misread this a few minutes ago.
It is also my understanding that a civil suit does have to be initiated within the two-year mark.

[fiver]

Originally posted by Celiarun


ETA: I misread this a few minutes ago.
It is also my understanding that a civil suit does have to be initiated within the two-year mark. [/*]If a civil case is filed, but no criminal proceedings have been started - how does that affect 5th amendment rights? I know that someone convicted of a crime can take the 5th in any civil actions relating to that conviction because of pending appeals. I know that the 5th amendment applies to criminal cases only. So how does it work at a civil trial when no criminal proceedings have been started?