Teen drowned newborn

[Motomom]

http://www.nj.com/southjersey/index.ssf/2008/05/teen_girl_charged_with_murder.html

[txfemale45]

The link did not work but I can guess what it says.... These young girls have alot more information than they did 20 years ago and everyone knows about the safe haven law.... she should get the same thing she did to her baby......

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by txfemale45
The link did not work but I can guess what it says.... These young girls have alot more information than they did 20 years ago and everyone knows about the safe haven law.... she should get the same thing she did to her baby...... [/*]

The link was working yesterday don't know why it isn't today.

This girl already has another child. IIRC they said the baby was around 10 months old but is being raised by someone else.

imoo

[Amy]

I don't condone what this girl did, but, to me, it is no different than the "legal" murder of partial birth abortion. Well, it is a difference of a few minutes. The partial birth babies WOULD have taken their first breaths if they hadn't been murdered minutes before they were delivered. But, I am sure that is fodder for a different forum.

[Santa'sMom]

she is just a baby herself and here she was having her second baby? she's 14 with a 13-month-old. if the second baby was full-term, that means she got pregnant just 4 months after delivering the first baby. where on earth was social services and counselors for this girl? who fathered the babies? and why is that worthless pos not under the jail for child molestation?

[wandering]

Originally posted by Leather&Lace
Baby's body expected to go to the teens father.

The 14-year-old girl's father has custody of his daughter's 13-month-old son, who was born when she was in seventh grade. All three were living together in an apartment in Bridgeton.

:eek: 7th Grade!

Link states this teen was an "honors student" and "student of the month" earlier this month.

http://www.nj.com/gloucester/stories/index.ssf?/base/news-9/121040701717540.xml&coll=8 [/*]She's 14, she had two children with this guy, he gets custody of the first one, and nothing happens to him? :confused:

[sardoodledom]

Originally posted by Santa'sMom
she is just a baby herself and here she was having her second baby? she's 14 with a 13-month-old. if the second baby was full-term, that means she got pregnant just 4 months after delivering the first baby. where on earth was social services and counselors for this girl? who fathered the babies? and why is that worthless pos not under the jail for child molestation? [/*]

I'm wondering myself if this was incest.

Even if it wasn't, kids that age aren't going to be sexually active to this extent unless someone taught them what to do. IMO.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sardoodledom


I'm wondering myself if this was incest.

Even if it wasn't, kids that age aren't going to be sexually active to this extent unless someone taught them what to do. IMO. [/*]

I certainly do not think a Judge would give her child to him to raise if he had committed incest.

Nor do I think the Prosecutor would say the baby boy's little body would be given to her father.

I have seen many articles that have discussed that 11 and 12 year old girls are sexually active these days. No one has to teach them....they see it everyday on television, mags and in the movies. Kids know all about sex at a much earlier age than even this age. It is a sad state of affairs but that is the way it is.

imoo

[rph3664]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I certainly do not think a Judge would give her child to him to raise if he had committed incest.

Nor do I think the Prosecutor would say the baby boy's little body would be given to her father.

I have seen many articles that have discussed that 11 and 12 year old girls are sexually active these days. No one has to teach them....they see it everyday on television, mags and in the movies. Kids know all about sex at a much earlier age than even this age. It is a sad state of affairs but that is the way it is.

imoo [/*]

Are these 11- and 12-year-old girls sexually active by themselves? I would hazard to guess they are not, and when they are, it's almost always with much older partners. This is true with boys that age who are sexually active, and it was also true 30 years ago when I was that age. Yes, it did go on then and everybody knew about it.

Then as now, it was usually associated with EXTREMELY permissive parenting, and alcohol and drug use among the kids and their parents.

[Nellie]

It says HER father has custody of the other child. It does NOT say the father of the child. So I wouldn't jump to the conclusion of incest.

Furthermore, perhaps the father is a teenager as well.

Have you seen 14 year olds today? Don't kid yourself....they don't need an adult around to teach them anything about sex. They could teach me a thing or two, unfortunately.

[sardoodledom]

Originally posted by utahb


Why are you switching between this nic and your saradoodledom nic? :read: [/*]

I certainly hadn't meant to do that. And I noticed that my thread response notifications are going to a different e-mail address.

Must be that update.

[Amy]

Originally posted by wandering
She's 14, she had two children with this guy, he gets custody of the first one, and nothing happens to him? :confused: [/*]

I don't think the reports mentioned whether or not both babies have the same father.

It says HER father has custody of her first baby. Which is not unusual from here. There are very young girls who have babies, and the actual custody of some of the babies go to (usually) her parents. Not all cases, but some.

As for the father(s) of the babies--who knows how old these kids are? Possibly barely teens themselves.

We have to report to Social Services any female who comes in to deliver who would have gotten pregnant before the age of 16. Some of the fathers are the same age, or nearly. Others, the "dads" are in their 20's--but, nothing seems to happen. We don't have reports of cases in court about statutory rape, so guess nothing is being done. Some of the girls' moms seem to think it's so fine that their little girl can draw the attention of an "older man." Not that many of these "men" are upstanding citizens (otherwise, they wouldn't be porking 15 y/and younger girls) some don't even have jobs, and worse yet, have other kids, and sometimes even a wife!!!!

[Amy]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I certainly do not think a Judge would give her child to him to raise if he had committed incest.

Nor do I think the Prosecutor would say the baby boy's little body would be given to her father.

I have seen many articles that have discussed that 11 and 12 year old girls are sexually active these days. No one has to teach them....they see it everyday on television, mags and in the movies. Kids know all about sex at a much earlier age than even this age. It is a sad state of affairs but that is the way it is.

imoo [/*]

Exactly. I don't think it is necessarily something that is taught @ home.

We were just discussing w/the girl across the street whose 16 y/o cousin is having her second baby. She doesn't take care of the one she has, leaves him w/her mom, sister, cousin, whomever is there when she walks off to do what SHE wants to do.

IMO, for girls this age, who are going to be sexually active unless they have a chastity belt, I think should receive the Depro Vera shot---every 3 months like clock work, mom/dad/guardian should take them in for it. There should be no talk about "rights" when a great number of these girls either don't take care of their babies, or don't even have custody of them. The cost to society for the price of an injection is much, much less than the cost to pay for raising half a dozen kids that their moms don't even want.

[mixberry]

Such a sad thing to happen!!!!!!!!!!!:rose:

[wandering]

Originally posted by Amy


Exactly. I don't think it is necessarily something that is taught @ home.

We were just discussing w/the girl across the street whose 16 y/o cousin is having her second baby. She doesn't take care of the one she has, leaves him w/her mom, sister, cousin, whomever is there when she walks off to do what SHE wants to do.

IMO, for girls this age, who are going to be sexually active unless they have a chastity belt, I think should receive the Depro Vera shot---every 3 months like clock work, mom/dad/guardian should take them in for it. There should be no talk about "rights" when a great number of these girls either don't take care of their babies, or don't even have custody of them. The cost to society for the price of an injection is much, much less than the cost to pay for raising half a dozen kids that their moms don't even want. [/*]hmmm...If you're reluctant to have the discussion with a daughter, how about leaving a case of prophylactics casually around the house? Kids are naturally nosy.

It's a difficult discussion, talking about birth control with young girls can insinuate you're giving permission. I think that's why so many parents don't have that discussion.

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by wandering
hmmm...If you're reluctant to have the discussion with a daughter, how about leaving a case of prophylactics casually around the house? Kids are naturally nosy.

It's a difficult discussion, talking about birth control with young girls can insinuate you're giving permission. I think that's why so many parents don't have that discussion. [/*]

I had this discussion with my daughters, and did "refresher" discussions from time to time. It was uncomfortable and they were "weirded out" (their words) but I did it anyway. Some things are just too important and you have to overcome your reluctance, IMO.

Some young women actually get pregnant on purpose, however, and no amount of talks will keep them from doing it, again JMO.

[aubrey04]

Originally posted by Amy
I don't condone what this girl did, but, to me, it is no different than the "legal" murder of partial birth abortion. Well, it is a difference of a few minutes. The partial birth babies WOULD have taken their first breaths if they hadn't been murdered minutes before they were delivered. But, I am sure that is fodder for a different forum. [/*]

Aren't partial birth abortions illegal, per Federal law? Once a baby is viable isn't it illegal to abort them unless it is medically necessary?

I thought the "Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act", which was upheld by the Supreme Court, bans partial/late abortions.

Even Laci Peterson's unborn son Connor and Jessie Davis' unborn daughter Chloe were considered human beings -- when their mothers were murdered, as they were both around 8 months in utero.

That child was born; therefore, a person - a human being and nobody had the right to take that baby's life away.

[Amy]

Originally posted by aubrey04


Aren't partial birth abortions illegal, per Federal law? Once a baby is viable isn't it illegal to abort them unless it is medically necessary?

I thought the "Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act", which was upheld by the Supreme Court, bans partial/late abortions.

Even Laci Peterson's unborn son Connor and Jessie Davis' unborn daughter Chloe were considered human beings -- when their mothers were murdered, as they were both around 8 months in utero.

That child was born; therefore, a person - a human being and nobody had the right to take that baby's life away. [/*]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial-Birth_Abortion_Ban_Act

An interesting article about this. Seems there are still incidences where it is allowed for the health/life of the mother. I work in maternal child. By the time the baby is partially delivered, it takes seconds to deliver the remainder of the baby. Less time than it would take to gather the equipment needed for this "emergency" (unless someone "knew" there would be an "emergency" and this equipment was readily @ hand) and to use the equipment.

I see down toward the end of the information that some "doctors" will administer lethal drugs so that they are actually delivering a stillborn. :flamemad: I wonder where the people who are against lethal injection for DP stand on the use of lethal injection to kill a baby just before it is born. (The little humans who cry from pain or cold or having a wet/dirty diaper, the ones who can 'feel' it seems.)

Anyway, there are still, it seems altho in very limited number of cases, instances where partial birth abortion are "legal", and IMO, the perpetrators of these murders (the mother and the doctor, the father if involved) are no better than women who abandon their babies @ birth.