May 5th - 5/10

[BobbysGirl]

Originally posted by unclezeek
I had hoped you all still weren't falling for that.

They either need a body, or someone to talk. And with as many people that Drew would need to cover up two murders, there is someone. [/*]

And, who would that someone be? Curious

Bubba/BG

[unclezeek]

Originally posted by mcannie1965


Or it might be a copycat burial. Look for a tomato patch. Give the pooches a rest.

mho [/*]I think they should look here in Arizona but there are alot of bodies found here.

[MsBrown408]

Originally posted by unclezeek
I think they are hoping they come up with "sombody" else because that "somebody" is going to get torn apart on the stand.

Despite what you may have heard, Thomas Morphey is in intense rehab.

There is a reason Drew called him and it wasn't because he had been clean and sober for ten years. [/*]

To be honest, after having followed the Mark Jensen Case, (via live feed, gavel to gavel) I have TOTAL faith in the LE/DA's. These guys at the ISP and BBPD are under a microscope. They won't screw this one up. (insert :Praying Icon) :cool:

[unclezeek]

Originally posted by BobbysGirl


And, who would that someone be? Curious

Bubba/BG [/*]For the last six months all I have heard was "cops sticking up for cops" and "drew must have had something on..."

Fake police report
Fake autopsy
evidence covered up

Yet to do that there had to be others involved.

And NO ONE has spoken up yet?


I can answer that because if anyone had.....We'd have heard.

[BobbysGirl]

Originally posted by unclezeek
I think they should look here in Arizona but there are alot of bodies found here. [/*]


Careful what you say.

IMO

[MsBrown408]

Originally posted by unclezeek
Snipped with respect

Fake autopsy
evidence covered up

Yet to do that there had to be others involved.

And NO ONE has spoken up yet?


I can answer that because if anyone had.....We'd have heard. [/*]

IIRC didn't the cop that testified at Kathleens "Accidental Death" hearing also testify at the GJ being held at present? :shrug:

[unclezeek]

Originally posted by MsBrown408


To be honest, after having followed the Mark Jensen Case, (via live feed, gavel to gavel) I have TOTAL faith in the LE/DA's. These guys at the ISP and BBPD are under a microscope. They won't screw this one up. (insert :Praying Icon) :cool: [/*]And I hope you are correct!



But to think Thomas Morphy is a nail in the coffin is like trying to nial bricks into a tree.

I REALLY hope this is not all they hae.

[BobbysGirl]

Originally posted by unclezeek
For the last six months all I have heard was "cops sticking up for cops" and "drew must have had something on..."

Fake police report
Fake autopsy
evidence covered up

Yet to do that there had to be others involved.

And NO ONE has spoken up yet?


I can answer that because if anyone had.....We'd have heard. [/*]


You're right Zeek. The word is YET. I am not against your op or for. I want answers like anyone else. I cannot speculate. Not my agenda.

BG

[Land Shark®]

Originally posted by mcannie1965


Never thought of that. Good idea.

mho

Why would you think it's a good idea?

You believe she ran off with the mythical *other guy*.

[BobbysGirl]

Originally posted by Land Shark®


Why would you think it's a good idea?

You believe she ran off with the mythical *other guy*. [/*]

or *mystical*

BG

[BobbysGirl]

Originally posted by Dimondz


that's quite a distance from Bollingbrook. Many closer states have desolate areas. And Canada not far, either. [/*]

Hi, why AZ? Who lives in AZ and why the choice??? Very curious.

BG

[Cury-us Coyote]

Relatives of Drew Peterson's former wives testify before grand jury
Man who dated 3rd wife also takes witness stand
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson-grand-jury_09may09,0,4575257.story

[MsBrown408]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Relatives of Drew Peterson's former wives testify before grand jury
Man who dated 3rd wife also takes witness stand
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson-grand-jury_09may09,0,4575257.story [/*]

Thanks Cury, from the article:

"Sue Doman, a sister of Kathleen Savio, Peterson's third wife, testified as did Lisa Ward, the daughter of Peterson's second wife, Vicki Connolly. A third witness was Steve Maniaci, who was dating Savio, Doman said."

[MsBrown408]

Originally posted by BobbysGirl


Hi, why AZ? Who lives in AZ and why the choice??? Very curious.

BG [/*]

I think AZ was Uncles stab at humor. He lives in AZ and was making reference to how many BODIES they find in AZ. :shrug:

[BobbysGirl]

Originally posted by Dimondz


Hi,

you asking me? I dunno :shrug:

The only named suspect is DP and he's not in AZ so that surprised me.
I've always thought she's in Lake Michigan. [/*]

Hi, sorry, I posted to wrong poster. Welcome to the board.

I am surprised as well as the choice of AZ. I will check and see if any relatives live in that area.

:)

BG

[MsBrown408]

Originally posted by Dimondz


oh.
Humor sometimes leads to exile, not AZ. >cough<

:punch: myself [/*]

:D

[aubrey04]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Relatives of Drew Peterson's former wives testify before grand jury
Man who dated 3rd wife also takes witness stand
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson-grand-jury_09may09,0,4575257.story [/*]

Thank you... Holy cow, though. This should come with a warning. Following the blurb, there are pictures of Drew... and the first one is quite scary, "Drew vs. the media".

Yikes.

[sunmoonsky4u]

Originally posted by mcannie1965


It was meant as sarcasm :rolleyes:

mho [/*]

There is no Arizona
No painted desert,no Sedona :D

[MsBrown408]

Originally posted by BobbysGirl


Hi, sorry, I posted to wrong poster. Welcome to the board.

I am surprised as well as the choice of AZ. I will check and see if any relatives live in that area.

:)

BG [/*]

This is a quote from Uncles first post dated 11-02-07

"I have known Stacy since she was 16. Her sister Tina (who passed away last year) was married to my brother."

[BobbysGirl]

Originally posted by MsBrown408


I think AZ was Uncles stab at humor. He lives in AZ and was making reference to how many BODIES they find in AZ. :shrug: [/*]

Nice stab! For a relative of the family, and the 'humor' sucks. And his/her nonsense, and lack of credibility. Who ever it is, has no opinion. A waste of time and care for a lost person. IMO

Enjoy

Laugh and Laugh.

:seeya:

BG

[sunmoonsky4u]

Originally posted by BobbysGirl


Nice stab! For a relative of the family, and the 'humor' sucks. And his/her nonsense, and lack of credibility. Who ever it is, has no opinion. A waste of time and care for a lost person. IMO

Enjoy

Laugh and Laugh.

:seeya:

BG [/*]

WOW that's just wrong on so many levels.
talk about a waste of time.
yep wasted to much
:seeya:

[MsBrown408]

Originally posted by BobbysGirl


Nice stab! For a relative of the family, and the 'humor' sucks. And his/her nonsense, and lack of credibility. Who ever it is, has no opinion. A waste of time and care for a lost person. IMO

Enjoy

Laugh and Laugh.

:seeya:

BG [/*]

I'm not exactly sure WHAT you are trying to say.....

DID you mean? Nice Stab! For a relative of the the family the humor sucks. His nonsense is lacking credibilty. Whoever it is has no opinion. OMO This is a waste of time.

Not sure what the last part of your statement means.

Since you are

:seeya:

Guess this is falling on deaf ears. :D

[BobbysGirl]

Originally posted by sunmoonsky4u


WOW that's just wrong on so many levels.
talk about a waste of time.
yep wasted to much
:seeya: [/*]

so you/I say

Nite!

[not.another]

Originally posted by aubrey04


Thank you... Holy cow, though. This should come with a warning. Following the blurb, there are pictures of Drew... and the first one is quite scary, "Drew vs. the media".

Yikes. [/*]
Oh yeah. You mean the one where his whole face takes up the picture? Yep, everytime I see that one I think...What did Stacy see in him. She must have been so naive. He must have been some prince charming. IMO barf barf barf

[aubrey04]

Originally posted by not.another

Oh yeah. You mean the one where his whole face takes up the picture? Yep, everytime I see that one I think...What did Stacy see in him. She must have been so naive. He must have been some prince charming. IMO barf barf [/*]

Yes, that picture. It's very creepy and disgusting. Stacy was so beautiful - I can not fathom what attracted her to Drew.

You're right. barf

[unclezeek]

Originally posted by mcannie1965


Never thought of that. Good idea.

mho [/*]Too late they are still looking here...and Ihave been cleared

[browser]

Unclezeek, My deepest sympathies go out to you and the families involved for what you are going through. May God give you the wisdom and strength to go on.

[AmndaRcknwth]

iirc, Drew and Stacy were thinking of moving to AZ after his retirement.

Maybe that is where she wanted to be.

But... AZ is a heck of a long way from IL.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Seeing unclezeek posting...
Made me think of Tina's kids.
Which made me think of Stacy's & Kathleen's kids.

And Mothers Day.
And making stuff at school for Mommy.

And how sad those Bbk kids have to be each time they step out the front door and have to look at Sharons home.

And how much I hate her for putting another stab into their hearts.

And how the people who are building up the shrine rationalize the action because of their hate for Drew.

And I am sadder than ever for the little ones. I love little kids.
What happens to them now shapes what happens to them later.

[Devotion]

Originally posted by AmndaRcknwth
iirc,
Drew and Stacy were thinking of moving to AZ after his retirement.

Maybe that is where she wanted to be.

But... AZ is a heck of a long way from IL. [/*]
Makes a lot of sense!

Yes Arizona is probably a 23 hour drive from Illinois.

HE could have EASILY made the trip to Arizona and back in the 3 days he was missing....

DP could have possibly paid a trucker to haul the container to a drop-off location in Arizona.
Where he picked it up!

TIMING is the question here.
When did the trucker deliver the container to Arizona and where?
Was the container left at a location in AZ or did DP arrive in Arizona about the same time the container did?.....jmo

[kimmy56]

Originally posted by AmndaRcknwth
Seeing unclezeek posting...
Made me think of Tina's kids.
Which made me think of Stacy's & Kathleen's kids.

And Mothers Day.
And making stuff at school for Mommy.

And how sad those Bbk kids have to be each time they step out the front door and have to look at Sharons home.

And how much I hate her for putting another stab into their hearts.

And how the people who are building up the shrine rationalize the action because of their hate for Drew.

And I am sadder than ever for the little ones. I love little kids.
What happens to them now shapes what happens to them later. [/*]

Actually, I would think the kids would be happy to see anything related to their mother. Whatever the "intention" is of the people who put things on the shrine (and you certainly can't know that), it reminds the kids that alot of people still care about their mom and are still looking for her. Their father's behavior shows neither concern nor intent of finding her.

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by AmndaRcknwth
Seeing unclezeek posting...
Made me think of Tina's kids.
Which made me think of Stacy's & Kathleen's kids.

And Mothers Day.
And making stuff at school for Mommy.

And how sad those Bbk kids have to be each time they step out the front door and have to look at Sharons home.

And how much I hate her for putting another stab into their hearts.

And how the people who are building up the shrine rationalize the action because of their hate for Drew.

And I am sadder than ever for the little ones. I love little kids.
What happens to them now shapes what happens to them later. [/*]

This is a really nice post and I finally understand where you're coming from, regarding the shrine. Since I don't go on that findstacy forum and don't personally know anyone involved in this case, all I can do is hope that it IS up for the right reason and that the kids somehow feel comforted by seeing that people are still looking for their mother.

However, I totally get what you're saying. These poor children are caught in the middle and can you imagine what kids at school say about their dad? And they probably believe everything their dad tells them (and didn't Drew say recently that the kids still think Stacy is just on vacation?) So yes, I think you are right in that maybe the shrine right next door to their home isn't a positive thing, especially if it is blatantly obvious that it is there just to throw it in DP's face.

I DO believe it was put up with good intentions though. I DO believe that Sharon really cares about finding Stacy and she wants justice done for her. But I DO see what you're saying about the kids seeing it.

Heartbreaking.

JMO

[Vibo]

How ever this turns out...it's already not good and heart breaking. Flowers or no flowers, shrine or no shrine, etc... Kathleen and Stacy are gone from those kids. Hopefully they can grow up and lead happy lives despite.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Originally posted by Jpanda


This is a really nice post and I finally understand where you're coming from, regarding the shrine. Since I don't go on that findstacy forum and don't personally know anyone involved in this case, all I can do is hope that it IS up for the right reason and that the kids somehow feel comforted by seeing that people are still looking for their mother.

However, I totally get what you're saying. These poor children are caught in the middle and can you imagine what kids at school say about their dad? And they probably believe everything their dad tells them (and didn't Drew say recently that the kids still think Stacy is just on vacation?) So yes, I think you are right in that maybe the shrine right next door to their home isn't a positive thing, especially if it is blatantly obvious that it is there just to throw it in DP's face.

I DO believe it was put up with good intentions though. I DO believe that Sharon really cares about finding Stacy and she wants justice done for her. But I DO see what you're saying about the kids seeing it.

Heartbreaking.

JMO [/*]

Thank you, jpanda.

I know I come off as not caring sometimes, but I have tried to turn my back on this case because of the behavior of Sharon and her circus clowns, the 3T2 and the poster from CA. I cannot.

Some of the shrine contributors ARE well-meaning and sweet. I'm sure they are all "nice people" "caring people" except for the neighbor who is now trying to hog media attention for her, not for Stacy, and that is why the shrine is in her yard.

Why not Cass' yard? Why not a park?

Those kids do not have the capacity to think beyond what they know. They know Daddy is taking care of them, hugging them at night, feeding them lunch.

Yes, I think he did it. Yes, I hope he pays. Yet I still am disgusted by the media and the "friends" and I would like to see FAIR trials, not media trials.

I did search. I did contribute. I did attend fundraisers. I did observe behavior that I disagree with, and that is what has formed my opinion. I know things first hand, I have been there.

So so so many things I could just start on and keep on typing.
But many do not want to know the real stuff. There is ugly stuff.

STACY (the one who this is about) deserved better.
KATHLEEN (her too, but that body was found) deserved better.

And yes, I do believe the pastor, that SP knew all along.

I just wish I could walk away sometimes.
I think I will go to the FUNraiser Saturday night and ask them why they are making excuses not to search, but still taking peoples money under false pretences.

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by AmndaRcknwth


Thank you, jpanda.

I know I come off as not caring sometimes, but I have tried to turn my back on this case because of the behavior of Sharon and her circus clowns, the 3T2 and the poster from CA. I cannot.

Some of the shrine contributors ARE well-meaning and sweet. I'm sure they are all "nice people" "caring people" except for the neighbor who is now trying to hog media attention for her, not for Stacy, and that is why the shrine is in her yard.

Why not Cass' yard? Why not a park?

Those kids do not have the capacity to think beyond what they know. They know Daddy is taking care of them, hugging them at night, feeding them lunch.

Yes, I think he did it. Yes, I hope he pays. Yet I still am disgusted by the media and the "friends" and I would like to see FAIR trials, not media trials.

I did search. I did contribute. I did attend fundraisers. I did observe behavior that I disagree with, and that is what has formed my opinion. I know things first hand, I have been there.

So so so many things I could just start on and keep on typing.
But many do not want to know the real stuff. There is ugly stuff.

STACY (the one who this is about) deserved better.
KATHLEEN (her too, but that body was found) deserved better.

And yes, I do believe the pastor, that SP knew all along.

I just wish I could walk away sometimes.
I think I will go to the FUNraiser Saturday night and ask them why they are making excuses not to search, but still taking peoples money under false pretences. [/*]

Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and experiences. I seriously now completely understand where you are coming from. Maybe we can be pro-active and offer to search, even on weekends when they may not. I'm not sure how everything works, as I've never searched for anyone before, but maybe we can turn the attention back to searching. I'd be willing to help with that.

JMO

[not.another]

Originally posted by AmndaRcknwth


Thank you, jpanda.

I know I come off as not caring sometimes, but I have tried to turn my back on this case because of the behavior of Sharon and her circus clowns, the 3T2 and the poster from CA. I cannot.

Some of the shrine contributors ARE well-meaning and sweet. I'm sure they are all "nice people" "caring people" except for the neighbor who is now trying to hog media attention for her, not for Stacy, and that is why the shrine is in her yard.

Why not Cass' yard? Why not a park?

Those kids do not have the capacity to think beyond what they know. They know Daddy is taking care of them, hugging them at night, feeding them lunch.

Yes, I think he did it. Yes, I hope he pays. Yet I still am disgusted by the media and the "friends" and I would like to see FAIR trials, not media trials.

I did search. I did contribute. I did attend fundraisers. I did observe behavior that I disagree with, and that is what has formed my opinion. I know things first hand, I have been there.

So so so many things I could just start on and keep on typing.
But many do not want to know the real stuff. There is ugly stuff.

STACY (the one who this is about) deserved better.
KATHLEEN (her too, but that body was found) deserved better.

And yes, I do believe the pastor, that SP knew all along.

I just wish I could walk away sometimes.
I think I will go to the FUNraiser Saturday night and ask them why they are making excuses not to search, but still taking peoples money under false pretences. [/*]

I agree with you about the shrine. I think it is fine that it is in Sharon's yard. However, she went alot overboard on it. The posters in all of her windows is what I think is wrong. I know Sharon claims that the posters facing DP's house are for the meterman or whoever crosses her yard. But, anybody with a brain can see right through that. I think it is definately hurting the kids to see their moms face plastered over there everytime they walk outside or look out the window. The posters, to me, are not acceptable.

BTW, thank you for doing your part.

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by AmndaRcknwth


Thank you, jpanda.

I know I come off as not caring sometimes, but I have tried to turn my back on this case because of the behavior of Sharon and her circus clowns, the 3T2 and the poster from CA. I cannot.

Some of the shrine contributors ARE well-meaning and sweet. I'm sure they are all "nice people" "caring people" except for the neighbor who is now trying to hog media attention for her, not for Stacy, and that is why the shrine is in her yard.

Why not Cass' yard? Why not a park?

Those kids do not have the capacity to think beyond what they know. They know Daddy is taking care of them, hugging them at night, feeding them lunch.

Yes, I think he did it. Yes, I hope he pays. Yet I still am disgusted by the media and the "friends" and I would like to see FAIR trials, not media trials.

I did search. I did contribute. I did attend fundraisers. I did observe behavior that I disagree with, and that is what has formed my opinion. I know things first hand, I have been there.

So so so many things I could just start on and keep on typing.
But many do not want to know the real stuff. There is ugly stuff.

STACY (the one who this is about) deserved better.
KATHLEEN (her too, but that body was found) deserved better.

And yes, I do believe the pastor, that SP knew all along.

I just wish I could walk away sometimes.
I think I will go to the FUNraiser Saturday night and ask them why they are making excuses not to search, but still taking peoples money under false pretences. [/*]

Uhm.. Am I the poster from CA you're referring to? What did I do? I am not trying to excuse anyone's behavior. Not Sharon's nor any of the other people who post on the Find Stacy forums.. I read there occasionally, but can't manage to read more than a couple posts without clicking the X in the corner. The forum is very biased, but once in a great while, I can pick up a piece of information that I didn't know before.

I guess I just haven't followed this case as much as I used to, so I haven't seen as much of the media hogging as you probably have. I live too far away from that area and up until last month I was very involved in following a case that is semi-local to me and it affected my brother. A friend (and ex-girlfriend) of his was murdered and the case went to trial last month (FINALLY!). My brother attended the trial every day. I wasn't able to, but I talked to him almost every day and he and I both posted about the trial on my blog. The sentencing hearing is next week. So I am still supporting my brother.

Perhaps my idea of why the garden location seems appropriate to me is lame, but I still can't help comparing it to other "memorials" that people put up at the scene of a death or a crime. I'm sorry if that offended you or anyone else. The same for the searches. I do not understand the reasoning for when they actually search, but I do remember reading somewhere (other than on the FSP forums.. lol) that there were people doing searches even when there wasn't a "volunteer" search going on.

I think one of the things that turned me "off" on the actions of the FSP folks was the "pinata" thing at the event in Sharon's front yard. Rather "over the top" and very offensive to me to do something like that in public and then brag about how fun it was. I'd never seen anything like it in any other case I've followed.

If you do go to the event coming up, and do manage to get some kind of answer to your questions, could you please come back and let us know the answers?

[Rockford2]

I don't know if anyone remembers Sun-Times columnist Dorsey Connors (who died in September, 2007) and the disappearance of her daughter, Stephanie Lyng, back in 1977, when she was going through a divorce.

She and her estranged husband, Edward Lyng, had 4 daughters at the time of their mother's abrupt disappearance.

Please take the time to read this article. It will open your eyes as to what their lives were like while not knowing if their mother was ever going to come home. :rose:

MURDER AND BETRAYAL FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS EDWARD LYNG GOT AWAY WITH KILLING HIS WIFE, AND ONLY NOW ARE HIS FOUR ABUSED DAUGHTERS OUT OF HARM'S WAY

By Maurice Possley, Chicago Tribune
November 24, 1996



Here is the link:

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2007/11/lyng.html

My heart goes out to the kids of a missing parent. :rose:

[AmndaRcknwth]

Anakerie, NO NO NO, you are NOT the poster I meant. As far as I know it is just on FSP that she spreads her garbage thickly. She has suggested that a local restaurant poison Drew's food. Nope, they did not ban her she is the bff of the admin there.

I enjoy your thoughtful posts, whether we disagree or not. I like people who can debate and diagree and make their point. Of course I am subject to emotion most of the time and I understand that too. I have been around too many blocks forum-wise.

On second thoughts, my best bet is to stay as far away from the FUNraiser as possible, it would only anger me further.

At the Lisa Walk (Lisa Ruttenberg Stebic) I watched that Sharon woman try to get her face in any camera possible. Yes, at another person's event. Even though the SP case has surpassed ALL known media attention in our area for 6 months. She talked right through the prayer. I was ashamed to "know" her. There is no dignity with behavior like that.

The Ruttenberg/Greenberg families are first-class, dignified, respectful.

Lessons could be learned from them. The HONOR Lisa.

[Land Shark®]

Yeah... that's it. Drew Peterson is a suspect because of the media.

Tell that to Illinois Law Enforcement.

Seriously though, Drew Peterson is a suspect only because of his own actions.

I have yet to hear anyone from the media going before the Grand Jury.

Maybe I missed it?

I doubt it. :cool:

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by Rockford2
I don't know if anyone remembers Sun-Times columnist Dorsey Connors (who died in September, 2007) and the disappearance of her daughter, Stephanie Lyng, back in 1977, when she was going through a divorce.

She and her estranged husband, Edward Lyng, had 4 daughters at the time of their mother's abrupt disappearance.

Please take the time to read this article. It will open your eyes as to what their lives were like while not knowing if their mother was ever going to come home. :rose:

MURDER AND BETRAYAL FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS EDWARD LYNG GOT AWAY WITH KILLING HIS WIFE, AND ONLY NOW ARE HIS FOUR ABUSED DAUGHTERS OUT OF HARM'S WAY

By Maurice Possley, Chicago Tribune
November 24, 1996



Here is the link:

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2007/11/lyng.html

My heart goes out to the kids of a missing parent. :rose: [/*]

Thank you for the link, Rockford. Very interesting read! It's very easy to see the parallels to the Stebic case and to Stacy and Kathleen's.... A few paragraphs gave me goose bumps.

[sunmoonsky4u]

IMO LE has nothing and have resorted to trying to pass the hearsay law. that's why they are dragging the GJ out as long as possible. Also LE used underhanded methods to revoke Drews foid card.
all these things for me add up to LE having no solid evidence to even issue an arrest warrant.
Also for those sooo sure drew is a double murderer tell me why LE has NOT named a suspect in Kathleen's death?

emotions and hate won't get a conviction except from the sheeple in the court of public opinion.

[Land Shark®]

Originally posted by gerald1

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If I can be of further assistance let me know.:cool:

You haven't been of any assistance yet so I can't see how you might be able to assist in the future.

If you believe that Drew Peterson is a suspect in his missing wife's alleged homicide because of the *public, family, and news media pressure*.... I can only surmise that you have no clue as to how law enforcement works.

Knowing your complete ignorance of the way law enforcement works, I wish you luck in your posting endeavors. You're gonna need it. IMO. ;)

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by gerald1
Where are the parallels. The author states in the next to the last paragraph that the similarities to the Stebic and Peterson case are superfical and possible irrelevant.:cool: [/*]

Ok, I take it that you ONLY read the initial part of that page. Did you READ :read: the story about Lyng?

[Land Shark®]

Originally posted by Anakerie


Ok, I take it that you ONLY read the initial part of that page. Did you READ :read: the story about Lyng?

gerald1 doesn't seem to be able to grasp the legal aspects of this case. IMO.

He might want to reread this paragraph from the link posted above.

Courts have repeatedly held that other evidence – such as blood stains, apparent efforts to remove blood stains, a stormy history with the victim and even the defendant's lack of distress at the victim's disappearance – can add up to proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in what are informally called "no-body" cases.

I suggest gerald1 go back & read the whole article.

Of course, it's gerald1's prerogative to do so. :)

[Jpanda]

Gerald1, do you not think DP would be a suspect in Stacy's disappearance if it weren't for the media? Is that what you're saying? Or do you just think the media is adding to the hype? TIA just curious.

[not.another]

Originally posted by gerald1
Where are the parallels. The author states in the next to the last paragraph that the similarities to the Stebic and Peterson case are superfical and possible irrelevant.:cool: [/*]
There are lots of similarities between the two cases. So, why is the media not as interested in the Stebic case. I think it would be the background...the age difference between husband & wife as in DP's case. I don't believe Craig Stebic ever threatened his wife or previous wives ( that we have heard about anyway). Craig Stebic's not a cop is he? There very well could be media pressure on LE and GJ. That was probably part of why they have continued to go forward with this case.

[Land Shark®]

Originally posted by gerald1

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you IMO might find I could be of great assistance to you.

snipped


I disagree. Strongly.

To be of any assistance to me, you would need to be able to grasp the legal aspects of this case.

Evidently, that's not going to happen. IMO.

Thanks anyway. :)

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by not.another

There are lots of similarities between the two cases. So, why is the media not as interested in the Stebic case. I think it would be the background...the age difference between husband & wife as in DP's case. I don't believe Craig Stebic ever threatened his wife or previous wives ( that we have heard about anyway). Craig Stebic's not a cop is he? There very well could be media pressure on LE and GJ. That was probably part of why they have continued to go forward with this case. [/*]

ITA. And I don't doubt the fact that there is media pressure on LE. However, I think LE is being responsible and they haven't arrested him yet. I would be more concerned with the media pressure if DP was in custody and it didn't look like they had any solid evidence, IMO.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Attorney: Police have tunnel vision
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/940171,4_1_JO09_PETERSON_S1.article

[darcie]

Originally posted by AmndaRcknwth


I do not know what the money is being used for. Not for searches.
It needs to be accounted for. The case has gotten mad publicity.

The importance is not that they are not tax-exempt or non-profit, or whatever... the problem is they lied about it. They said months ago that they went to an atty and all was in order. Businesses had to file extensions because of this.

IL has no record of them, feds have no record of them. There is nothing in any charity search site either.

Yet they are still collecting using false info.

That is wrong. It is wrong on many levels. [/*]


If it really does concern you, and you are not trying to just *bash* the family and or the fund, then do report it to the proper authorities. That is your right, your obligation. Reporting it to a message board doesn't address the issue, it just stirs the pot.
Again, if you are concerned go to the proper authorities.


Just my opinion on it. :D

[Land Shark®]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Attorney: Police have tunnel vision
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/940171,4_1_JO09_PETERSON_S1.article

Tunnel vision is a great thing when it's centered on the correct & only suspect. :)

And yes... Brodsky is just "whistling dixie".

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Attorney: Police have tunnel vision
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/940171,4_1_JO09_PETERSON_S1.article [/*]

I read that article earlier this morning and am still trying to figure out why Brodsky thinks he knows so much more than Kathleen's family about the state of her relationship with the boyfriend who testified yesterday. Is he psychic or something? LOL... The man ONLY knows what Drew tells him plus whatever the so-called investigators he's supposedly hired tell him. Drew's opinions on Kathleen's relationships would only be self-serving... To make HIM look good.

I'm sorry Mr. Brodsky, but in the matter of Kathleen's relationships with others, I would believe her FAMILY a whole lot more than I would believe Drew.

[sunmoonsky4u]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Attorney: Police have tunnel vision
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/940171,4_1_JO09_PETERSON_S1.article [/*]

Thanks CC


State police have not named suspects in the Savio homicide. They have conceded Peterson is under suspicion for disappearance of his fourth wife, Stacy Peterson, a matter they have classified a "potential homicide

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Attorney: Police have tunnel vision
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/940171,4_1_JO09_PETERSON_S1.article [/*]

Thanks for posting the link. I definitely DO hope LE does their job and thoroughly investigates this boyfriend of Kathleen's. They should definitely not be focusing solely on one person, if there is evidence that suggests someone else could be the perp.

Having said that, I am not LE, and with all the facts we do know, I just do not think it is a coincidence that DP's third wife is dead and his fourth wife is missing. I think DP is guilty of both, but I do hope they thoroughly investigate everyone so they can build a solid case against the perp, who, IMO, is Drew Peterson.

JMO

[kimmy56]

Originally posted by gerald1
I didn't state I thought she is. It's a what if question. Same ? to you. Does he walk?:cool: [/*]

Of course.

[kimmy56]

Originally posted by Dimondz


Reminders that their mother vanished would make her children happy? I think forcing them to face a shrine plus accusations against their father is beyond cruel. As much as I dislike Mr. Drew Peterson, I think his neighbor is increasingly whacko. [/*]

So you think acting like it hasn't happened would be better?

[kimmy56]

Originally posted by Rockford2


wonder if good ol Drew would have gotten up at 2:30 to help a '50ish elderly hammer woman who needed his help?

Anyone know how old his 'lady of the moment' is?? [/*]

LOL - None of my "50ish elderly" friends would give him the time day! Gee - ya think that's why he goes for the younger ones???

[kimmy56]

Originally posted by Dimondz


Acting like an adult would be better. The children know their mother is missing. [/*]

DP would do well to follow that advice, too.

[kimmy56]

Originally posted by Dimondz


Thanx. Very interesting read. I'm shocked at how long it took to bring charges what with the threats and history.

What really jumps out is the degree of emotional and physical abuse those girls endured at the hand of their father after their mother disappeared. Chilling.

I would think if such fatherly actions were in play in either the Stebic or Peterson cases, we'd know about it. [/*]

Maybe. But maybe not. Friends and family are in a no win situation. They want to have access to visitation with the children - talking out about such behavior would hamper that.

[north-eh]

Originally posted by Anakerie


I read that article earlier this morning and am still trying to figure out why Brodsky thinks he knows so much more than Kathleen's family about the state of her relationship with the boyfriend who testified yesterday. Is he psychic or something? LOL... The man ONLY knows what Drew tells him plus whatever the so-called investigators he's supposedly hired tell him. Drew's opinions on Kathleen's relationships would only be self-serving... To make HIM look good.

I'm sorry Mr. Brodsky, but in the matter of Kathleen's relationships with others, I would believe her FAMILY a whole lot more than I would believe Drew. [/*]

I was just thinking pretty much the same thing, except Brodsky sounds to me as though he was trying to cast some suscipion on Kathleen's boyfriend, Maniaci. Of course that's nothing new coming from Brodsky, now is it?
jmo
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[kimmy56]

Originally posted by gerald1
The respective spouse is the usual primary suspect in these types of cases. If the story has high titillation value the news fuel the flames. Older man and younger woman, love triangles, money and drug problems,etc.,etc. You may find this hard to believe but its true. Insurance companies have been responsible for getting investigations going. If its a big enough policy at stake they will call the police and provide the motive for police to hang their hat on, If there is a big life policy out there you can bet the police will ratchet up their investigation in to the remaining spouse and possibly other family members. DP was a supect from day one and as usual the police haven't bothered to look anywhere else. The news just made him into a bigger suspect. He also hasn't done himself or his lawyers any favors. He's got to be a nightmare for a client. Have to go now it's nap time, Dr.'s orders.:cool: [/*]

I'm as skeptical as you about the police; however, this case has so much publicity that I can't believe the police are not CYA. They've got to know that if they ever do arrest DP every part of their case will be scrutinized to the nth degree.

By saying that about the police, you are doing exactly what you think all of us posters are doing which is jumping to conclusions and having tunnel vision.

[kimmy56]

Originally posted by Dimondz


My point has nothing to do with DP, my point is about the neighbor's behavior she's directing at Drew's children.

Is DP sticking up missing posters all over the INSIDE of his house? I doubt it. [/*]

I seriouly doubt that she is "targeting" the kids. She may be publicity hungry or full of herself or want her 15 minutes of fame, but I do not think she's targeting them.

[north-eh]

Originally posted by gerald1
That's not even "close" to what happened. I'm surprised so many posters have missed it when its so obvious. The operative word is "close".:cool: [/*]

:confused:
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[kimmy56]

Originally posted by Dimondz


:read: The Lyng case: Visitation denied once accusations were made about the father being involved/responsible for the disappearance and the abuse escalated.

The welfare of the children should be the priority. Friends and family should put their own selfish interests aside and do what's best for the children. The taunting actions of Peterson's neighbor don't help his children in any way. It's irresponsible. [/*]

You just proved my point. If they publicize any behavior like that, their visitation could be stymied. Isn't that exactly what's happened with the Stebic case?

And you're right - no matter what is said, the fathers should allow their children to see the relatives and friends. And I would say that taunting is pretty much DP's mode of operandi, i.e., several news reports where he acts like a jerk and tells pretty crude jokes about the journalists covering the case.

[not.another]

Originally posted by Dimondz


Thanx. Very interesting read. I'm shocked at how long it took to bring charges what with the threats and history.

What really jumps out is the degree of emotional and physical abuse those girls endured at the hand of their father after their mother disappeared. Chilling.

I would think if such fatherly actions were in play in either the Stebic or Peterson cases, we'd know about it. [/*]

DP likes to be seen as the perfect father/perfect husband. When everyone knows he is not. He is taking care of those kids because he has to. What other choice does he have. He really would look guilty of murder if he started abusing the boys in public or for anyone to see. What goes on behind closed doors is very different to the way he acts when people are watching IMO. People like DP are very good at playing mind games. Make everyone else look crazy, and himself look like a saint. I hope most people could see right through that.

[kimmy56]

Originally posted by not.another


DP likes to be seen as the perfect father/perfect husband. When everyone knows he is not. He is taking care of those kids because he has to. What other choice does he have. He really would look guilty of murder if he started abusing the boys in public or for anyone to see. What goes on behind closed doors is very different to the way he acts when people are watching IMO. People like DP are very good at playing mind games. Make everyone else look crazy, and himself look like a saint. I hope most people could see right through that. [/*]

One can hope but it's obvious some are more gullible than others. Or is it they love to play devil's advocate so much, they end up bending over backwards to show they're "fair" and "balanced" when in reality they are doing what they accuse us of.

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by north-eh


:confused:
N [/*]

Confusing, huh? You're not the only one. I think perhaps gerald1's nap time was overdue on that post.

[not.another]

Originally posted by kimmy56


LOL - None of my "50ish elderly" friends would give him the time day! Gee - ya think that's why he goes for the younger ones??? [/*]


IMO - He likes the younger ones because they are trophy wives to him. Not a human being. An object to flaunt! Thus, the breast implants etc. The younger ones are naive and don't know any better. Easier to catch/reel in. IMO

[kimmy56]

Originally posted by not.another



IMO - He likes the younger ones because they are trophy wives to him. Not a human being. An object to flaunt! Thus, the breast implants etc. The younger ones are naive and don't know any better. Easier to catch/reel in. IMO [/*]

Exactly.

[not.another]

Originally posted by mcannie1965


Following your line of reasoning, we know what he does when "people are watching." So what goes on behind closed doors cannot be known--until/unless it has been proven he abused his children. He has no charges of child abuse, to my knowledge:

If it goes on behind closed doors and he is careful when people are watching, then nobody knows if Drew is a good father or not.

mho [/*]
You are correct in saying that what goes on behind closed doors is unknown at this time. I'm not really talking about physical abuse, more of an emotional/mental abuse. Which may never be found out, either way. IMO

[not.another]

Originally posted by Dimondz


How many abusers do so in public? My point, which you continue to miss, is that publicly taunting a man you already suspect is abusing his kids isn't going to result in REDUCED abuse behind closed doors. [/*]

I am really not up for going back and forth on this subject. These are my opinions only. They are unsubstantiated in my book. It just makes me wonder. If what family/friends say about what went on in the marriage between DP & Stacy, he wouldn't limit the abuse to just her. IMO

Do you mean I am publicly taunting him? Or Sharon? Now you have me confused. I understand what you are getting at, but I don't believe I'm publicly taunting anyone. IMO, I may be way off here.

[north-eh]

Originally posted by not.another



IMO - He likes the younger ones because they are trophy wives to him. Not a human being. An object to flaunt! Thus, the breast implants etc. The younger ones are naive and don't know any better. Easier to catch/reel in. IMO [/*]

Lets not forget the term "repair work" DP uses when he refers to any "cosmetic" work Stacy had done! He truly thinks this type of talk is funny,IMO!
imo
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[AmndaRcknwth]

Originally posted by kimmy56


I seriouly doubt that she is "targeting" the kids. She may be publicity hungry or full of herself or want her 15 minutes of fame, but I do not think she's targeting them. [/*]

kimmy56, I was a huge Sharon supporter just a few short months ago. I thought the sun rose over Sharon Bychowski for the wonderful deeds trying to find SP.

Then I woke up over the course of a few days/weeks/whatever and took a good look at what the woman is doing.

Besides trying for more fame than I have ever ever seen a peripheral player try for (and I have followed many a case)...

-she has posted on a PUBLIC message board when the children are alone.
-she has posters in the windows that only Drews house can see. The outdoor grill. So the children can remember how pretty their mama was??? They cannot even play outside now.
-she has called for boycott of a business based on Drew might patronize it.
-she has a memorial shrine in her yard. She is not related to Stacy, she was Stacy's boss. Stacy did the paperwork for Sharon (she is a manager for Avon)
-she lied (more appropriately let the media carry it to a lie) about the night DP came to her home and she went to a hotel--btw, that was for publicity.

Why do you think the court would not grant her restraining orders on 2 occasions?

There is more, I could go on, but all this has been in the media.

Busting Drew is what she is all about.

Which would be just fine with me if the children lived with someone else.

This doesn't hurt Drew, IT HURTS THE KIDS.

But turn on a camera and bob she goes.

[kimmy56]

Originally posted by AmndaRcknwth


kimmy56, I was a huge Sharon supporter just a few short months ago. I thought the sun rose over Sharon Bychowski for the wonderful deeds trying to find SP.

Then I woke up over the course of a few days/weeks/whatever and took a good look at what the woman is doing.

Besides trying for more fame than I have ever ever seen a peripheral player try for (and I have followed many a case)...

-she has posted on a PUBLIC message board when the children are alone.
-she has posters in the windows that only Drews house can see. The outdoor grill. So the children can remember how pretty their mama was??? They cannot even play outside now.
-she has called for boycott of a business based on Drew might patronize it.



-she has a memorial shrine in her yard. She is not related to Stacy, she was Stacy's boss. Stacy did the paperwork for Sharon (she is a manager for Avon)
-she lied (more appropriately let the media carry it to a lie) about the night DP came to her home and she went to a hotel--btw, that was for publicity.

Why do you think the court would not grant her restraining orders on 2 occasions?

There is more, I could go on, but all this has been in the media.

Busting Drew is what she is all about.

Which would be just fine with me if the children lived with someone else.

This doesn't hurt Drew, IT HURTS THE KIDS.

But turn on a camera and bob she goes. [/*]

I have not seen all of this. It sounds like the both of them (DP and Sharon) are pieces of work! I just wonder why you don't criticize his behavior? If you want to talk about what's hurting the kids, let's start with the obvious - their Mother is gone and Daddy's acting like a complete and utter jerk! I still think the onus is on him seeing as how HE is the suspect and you'd think he'd want to have as many people on his side as he could. DP reminds me of someone who should be on Jerry Springer. If Sharon is doing these sorts of things, and I have no reason to doubt you, at least she's trying to DO something about it instead of running around with other women and being obnoxious whenever there is a camera turned on.

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by mcannie1965


If it may not be found out either way, we cannot know if there is emotional/mental abuse.

mho [/*]

One way of knowing is if the kids themselves speak up years down the road the way we've seen other grown children speak up. Take that case that was posted earlier for instance. The Lyng daughters told of their abuse at their father's hand once he had finally been prosecuted and convicted for killing their mother.

[not.another]

Originally posted by mcannie1965


If it may not be found out either way, we cannot know if there is emotional/mental abuse.

mho [/*]

TY for clarifying that mccannie, I guess I did not make myself clear.

[not.another]

Originally posted by Anakerie


One way of knowing is if the kids themselves speak up years down the road the way we've seen other grown children speak up. Take that case that was posted earlier for instance. The Lyng daughters told of their abuse at their father's hand once he had finally been prosecuted and convicted for killing their mother. [/*]

That's a possibility. However, sometimes children grow up to have the same mindset as their parent(s) and don't really characterize it as abuse, because they become abusers themselves. I personally know of one.

[sunmoonsky4u]

Originally posted by Lyndawitha&quot;Y


What is your point..Stacy certainly didn't having anything done without "His Majesty" concuring, then paying for such things..Stacy could do nothing without Drew's knowledge..whether it was shopping, having surgury or driving down the street..Mr. Drew Peterson followed her, stalked her and knew absolutely everybody she came in contact with..so NO..What you just outlined does certainly not indicate Stacy had control..only that Drew spend his money to further his agenda..bribing (likely) and furthering his "Feel Good" and selfish plan! Just what do YOU know of Stacy's personal finances??I think nothing..thus whoever pays the bills has total control of the family finances!.. If by chance Stacy put a charge on an account do you really believe Drew did not know about it?..Get with reality here..please!

Watching Drew and his comments, and antics..I rather doubt a dime goes out of that household without him knowing exactly where each dime went!

LMS:seeya: [/*]


I think you have gone overboard with your un proven facts.
Stacy carring on text conversations with Scott R and Drew did not find out about them until LE pulled them of her phone.
You don't know if any of the things you are saying are even FACT. talk about getting with reality you might just want to join reality.
How was stacy going to pay for her new cell phone if what you say if FACT? The bill was going to her sisters house so drew would not see it. So how could she pay it if what you say is true?
now had you said that you feel drew blah blah blah then I can understand that but you are trying to present this as FACT.

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by not.another


That's a possibility. However, sometimes children grow up to have the same mindset as their parent(s) and don't really characterize it as abuse, because they become abusers themselves. I personally know of one. [/*]

Agreed. I, too, know one of those types.

[not.another]

Originally posted by sunmoonsky4u



I think you have gone overboard with your un proven facts.
Stacy carring on text conversations with Scott R and Drew did not find out about them until LE pulled them of her phone.
You don't know if any of the things you are saying are even FACT. talk about getting with reality you might just want to join reality.
How was stacy going to pay for her new cell phone if what you say if FACT? The bill was going to her sisters house so drew would not see it. So how could she pay it if what you say is true?
now had you said that you feel drew blah blah blah then I can understand that but you are trying to present this as FACT. [/*]
On the other hand. Stacy just got this new cell phone like a week or two before she disappeared. If she had gotten a bill yet, it probably had not been paid yet. Why would she need to send the bill to her sister's house. I believe it's true that he was tracking her phone calls and that was the reason for getting the new cell.

[sunmoonsky4u]

Originally posted by Lyndawitha&quot;Y


Thankyou..I think you have answered your own questions..That bill for that cell phone is a true indicator of her fear, and recognition of the control factor of Drew!..You made my case!

LMS:lol: [/*]
:lol:
say what?? I highly doubt anyone has made your case including you hence your reply!!

so you aren't going to offer any facts to back up all these claims you just made??

As far as her phone it could be an indication of her wanting to ensure drew never found her sexy texy messages to other men.

She sure wasn't too afraid of Drew to be texting other men now was she? Nor was she too afraid of Drew when he told her not to go to Denny's to meet Scott. She went anyway.
I sure don't see any fear in those actions.

[sunmoonsky4u]

Originally posted by not.another

On the other hand. Stacy just got this new cell phone like a week or two before she disappeared. If she had gotten a bill yet, it probably had not been paid yet. Why would she need to send the bill to her sister's house. I believe it's true that he was tracking her phone calls and that was the reason for getting the new cell. [/*]

Stacy found the cell bill in Drews brief case and he was looking into her call history and had notes on it.
Stacy did not like that so she got a new phone and had the bill sent to her sisters house so he could not see what calls she was making.
So Drew going through the cell bills manually tells me that he was not electronically tracking her phone. He was doing it the old fashion way.
too many rumors being cycled over and over as fact.

[north-eh]

Originally posted by sunmoonsky4u



I think you have gone overboard with your un proven facts.
Stacy carring on text conversations with Scott R and Drew did not find out about them until LE pulled them of her phone.
You don't know if any of the things you are saying are even FACT. talk about getting with reality you might just want to join reality.
How was stacy going to pay for her new cell phone if what you say if FACT? The bill was going to her sisters house so drew would not see it. So how could she pay it if what you say is true?
now had you said that you feel drew blah blah blah then I can understand that but you are trying to present this as FACT. [/*]

IIRC DP himself stated on one of his "TV Tours" that HE found text messages to Stacy on the cell but wasn't sure who it was from. We never did hear anymore about that call, so he was just blowing more air as far as I'm concerned.
jmo
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[Rockford2]

Originally posted by Anakerie


Thank you for the link, Rockford. Very interesting read! It's very easy to see the parallels to the Stebic case and to Stacy and Kathleen's.... A few paragraphs gave me goose bumps. [/*]

your welcome.

They never did find Stephanie Lyng's body, and trust me, this was big news in the 70's, as Dorsey Connors had pull. But even with that, for so many years, she was estranged from her grandchildren.

The kids.....nobody ever talks about how losing their mother or a father, so abrubtly affects them. You have to wonder that IF these men murdered their wives, how does this affect their children?

[not.another]

Originally posted by Dimondz


Did he say he found text messages on the new cell? I don't recall that. [/*]

I'm confused on that subject as well. Were the text messages on her old cell or her new one? (keeping in mind that her new one was only a couple weeks old) About 1-2 weeks before her disappearance she was calling friends/family and giving them her new cell number. Per her step-sister.

As to stating fact...I think we all need to remember that most of what we hear from the "media" is not fact. If/when this goes to trial we will find out. Do we really need to put "IMO" on all posts?

[not.another]

Originally posted by Dimondz


I missed the point because you failed to make it.

The media has mentioned SP was employed. I've never seen any mention that she didn't have her own checking account and didn't have access to funds. Peterson claims there is $20,000 missing from a safe that apparently she had access to. That's the one aspect of this case that bothers me the most other than the fact she's missing herself....missing money.

:shrug: [/*]

It is a fact that she is missing.

It is not a fact that there is $20,000 missing. Those are DP's words. I take those with a grain of salt. IMO
IMO IMO

[Rockford2]

Originally posted by Dimondz


Thanx. Very interesting read. I'm shocked at how long it took to bring charges what with the threats and history.

What really jumps out is the degree of emotional and physical abuse those girls endured at the hand of their father after their mother disappeared. Chilling.

I would think if such fatherly actions were in play in either the Stebic or Peterson cases, we'd know about it. [/*]

hmm.........don't know about that. Especially if these fathers up and move with their kids.

[Rockford2]

Originally posted by kimmy56


LOL - None of my "50ish elderly" friends would give him the time day! Gee - ya think that's why he goes for the younger ones??? [/*]

oh you know it! With age comes wisdom.

Somebody asked what Stacy might have seen in Drew? money! steady job. Maybe a father figure and or all of the above.

I'm 46, and all i would see in this man, (before all of this) is a pain in the arse 3X loser at marriage. But I'm sure at my age, I would be considered elderly too......maybe senile!

:lol: