Michelle Marie Young 4/30/08 [Archive] - In Session Message Boards

jerzeegirl

04-30-2008, 03:33 PM

could Michele have been on the computer that night? Maybe someone told her that something fishy was going on with her husband and her sorority friend? Could she have gone on the computer and read emails, got really mad and when jason called her or maybe she called him, she was freaking out, maybe even said "you get your a$$ home right now and explain all this? Could he have come home, hoping to smooth things over and when he got there she threw her ring at him and said i want a divorce? Maybe she even took a swing at him, slapped him, could have brought out rage from him and he got carried away, realllly carried away. Maybe he picked up the ring after and didnt want to try to put it back on her finger, was too freaked out about the thought of it, put it in his pocket and grabbed the two jewelry drawers to make look like a robbery. Could he have thrown them over a bridge or down a ditch as he was driving down some interstate on his way to his meeting?
Just some scenarios.
JMO

jerzeegirl

04-30-2008, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

No, there has been no alibi presented in this case for any of the people close to Michelle, including Jason and Meredith. All LE have said is that they know where Jason was at certain times. No mention of Meredith's alibi at all. Weird. [/*]

but why no sws for her residence?

jerzeegirl

04-30-2008, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

several s/ws haven't been returned. [/*]

really? for her house?

Barbara2

04-30-2008, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

I'm breathing easy, thanks.
You're the one who seems fearful of a search of Meredith's house. I can understand why. [/*]

Since Jason returned to Raleigh and stayed in that house it wouldn't necessarily reflect on Meredith if something incriminating were to be found in her house. IMO.

jerzeegirl

04-30-2008, 04:31 PM

wait did the police search her house or not?

Amy

04-30-2008, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

The media should be demanding answers to these questions. This case has had some of the most inept reporting I've ever seen. [/*]

I wouldn't call it inept reporting if the LE does not give them information to report on. In fact, I would call it responsible reporting if they are only going to report those FACTS provided to them by authorities, as opposed to just keep reporting rumors and suppositions, etc etc etc.

If LE has chosen to keep the information to themselves, if they asked persons involved to not give interviews and statements and these people oblige---then there is nothing factual to report.

IMO

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by zed

You've been asking that question since about two weeks after the murder. Complicated murder investigations (see above for what I mean by that) take a lot more time than murders where the suspect has no reason to be at the scene. Everything that has two possible explanations must be reduced to one.

For example, if the hair in Michelle's hand is Jason's, it could be that it was transfer evidence from the floor. If the hair in her hand has a bulb or root, then it is more likely that it occurred during the murder, but it's not conclusive. Every piece of evidence that points to Jason must be supported by many other pieces of evidence to eliminate the argument that there was an alternate explanation for the evidence. That takes time. [/*]

Nope, Zed. I was not here then..:(

I did not even hear about this murder until CC mentioned the missing tooth, on her show, being overlooked, and how that could hurt the investigation and then of course the People Magazine article.

Kat

JHP

04-30-2008, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

Whether consent is given or not, LE uses a search warrant in order to preserve the integrity of the search for trial. Scott Peterson gave his consent for thorough searches and LE returned later with search warrants and re-did the search. It's routine. If you want to believe there was no s/w for Meredith's house, that's okay.

:rolleyes: [/*]

Well then I guess from what you just posted that Merediths house probably was searched. Didn't LE stay there until Jason sauntered back from Brevard? Nothing was found however and they didn't have to go back and issue search warrants to preserve the integrity of the search.

The only involvement Meredith had was to be another of Jasons victims.

JMO

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 05:22 PM

Maybe we can clear up some of the rumors that are going on right now. The ones from the past , we have no way to confirm or deny them.

Someone posted that the Birchleaf home was sold, then someone else posted there is a contract on it, so,
has it been sold?
Is there still a current offer?

TIA

Kat

alter ego

04-30-2008, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by zed

Perhaps you need to go back to the basics. Jason has been named both at different times during the investigation. [/*]Not by LE.

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 05:30 PM

I have other questions for L E.

"Looking back, when you first got the case, did you ever think that
18 months later, this case would still remain unsolved?"

"Do you feel it is time to give an update on where the investigation stands?"

"Do you think that you made any mistakes in the beginning, that is causing this delay for justice?"

"Are you still confident, Michelle's killer will be arrested?"

I have more, but then I would be doing Amanda's job.

:D

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by zed

Obviously an uncooperative witness doesn't stop an investigation, although I'm sure that was Jason's wish.

The media (which you seem so skeptical about) has reported that over 100 witnesses were interviewed. It's sad to learn that the police had to interview so many people to learn so many things that Jason could most likely have cleared up with one or two interviews. [/*]

Zed, I don't think that is all correct.

They also had to take a lot of fingerprints too, as the Youngs often entertained and had lots of company in their home.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by zed

The window of time that interested the police was between midnight and 6 am. How does narrowing down that time frame help solve the crime? [/*]

Because the time of death would almost have to be at the 3am point, if you are a JDI.

If anything earlier or later, guess who is cleared?

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by zed

If he had an alibi that could eliminate him as a suspect, that would have been done a long time ago.

There is enough time for Jason to double back, commit the murder, and be late for his morning meeting. The alibi that has been presented is that he was alone in his hotel room while the murder occurred. [/*]

It is only a rumor that Jason was late for his meeting.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

There have been mistakes that were reported as fact. For example, it was reported that Jason was in Brevard at the time of Michelle's murder. Another was that Michelle received ten blows. Can't blame such mistakes on LE, imo. [/*]

Wasn't there a real early report that Jason's car was found at the airport that nite, next day, ?

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

Far as I know it is still under contract but I also hear there is an active campaign to dissuade the new owners from completing the purchase. Developing.......... [/*]

Thanx, so some people are tyring to block the sale.?
Interesting.

What would they like done with the home now?

:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

true. There also wasn't a gambling trip or even a rumor of a gambling trip was there? [/*]

More rumors.....

I will be glad when everything does come out...

Sometimes, it's like "Well, they can't get Jason for murder but we can sure spread a lot of rumors about him then".

Doesn't anyone realize that if the evidence was there, real evidence, that there would not be a need to make up any rumors?"

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

I think the goal is to keep it unsold as long as possible in order to punish Jason financially. It has nothing whatsoever to do with justice for Michelle.

jmo [/*]

I see..I would think the neighbors in Enchanted Oaks would like this to be over.

I wonder if they get a lot of people coming by looking at the home?

Kat

alter ego

04-30-2008, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by scout

Read and comprehend, Mutton. I didn't say there wasn't a search. Good sense should tell you that if consent is given a warrant is not necessary. But then, good sense isn't all that common after all. [/*]And good sense should tell you that 'consent' doesn't automatically equate to 'admissible'.

It's common sense that isn't all that common.

alter ego

04-30-2008, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

true. There also wasn't a gambling trip or even a rumor of a gambling trip was there? [/*]
Not that I'm aware of

alter ego

04-30-2008, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by Allison

He could just cash in the LI policy that he purchased on Michelle's life and pay off the mortgage (both of them) and all other outstanding debts. Maybe, he could pay LF back the money she spent on the funeral, since he couldn't cover the cost.

But, Teach said he doesn't need the money, so how is the house not selling going to hurt him financially?

Just my opinion. [/*]Link to LF paying for the funeral.

Tia

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 06:15 PM

Breakingnews

04-30-2008, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
Maybe we can clear up some of the rumors that are going on right now. The ones from the past , we have no way to confirm or deny them.

Someone posted that the Birchleaf home was sold, then someone else posted there is a contract on it, so,
has it been sold?
Is there still a current offer?

TIA

Kat [/*]

Email or call the realtor and ask him.

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
Link to LF paying for the funeral.

Tia [/*]

Hi A/E.
Well, I am sure there is one, somewhere.

:biggrin:

Kat

Breakingnews

04-30-2008, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
I have other questions for L E.

"Looking back, when you first got the case, did you ever think that
18 months later, this case would still remain unsolved?"

"Do you feel it is time to give an update on where the investigation stands?"

"Do you think that you made any mistakes in the beginning, that is causing this delay for justice?"

"Are you still confident, Michelle's killer will be arrested?"

I have more, but then I would be doing Amanda's job.

:D

Kat [/*]

WCSO has a phone number and email too.

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

Email or call the realtor and ask him. [/*]

Nope, I am happy being an outsider..

Too much insider stuff proves to be untrue.

:)
Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

WCSO has a phone number and email too. [/*]

I am sure they would be happy to drop everything they are doing, so they can be bugged by a message board poster.

Kat

Breakingnews

04-30-2008, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Nope, I am happy being an outsider..

Too much insider stuff proves to be untrue.

:)
Kat [/*]

So you think the realtor is going to lie to you? Or do you just want to keep yammering on about it even though you could have your question answered?

alter ego

04-30-2008, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by Allison

To link that. I wold have to access personal financial records of the deceased's mother which is against TOS and would be in very poor taste.

Link to no gambling trip.

TIA [/*]
As if you have personal financial records of LF.

Please.

Just more RUMORS for the rumor mill and yet another one born right here on this board.

How am I supposed to link to something I haven't ever heard of :confused:

alter ego

04-30-2008, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by scout

Consent doesn't equate to admissible. Sure, I can agree with that statement. It doesn't equate to inadmissible either. Neither does a warrant equate to admissible. However, you can run around that circle for days on end, and it won't cause a warrant for Meredith's residence to materialize out of thin air. [/*]
I'm glad we could agree on something :D

alter ego

04-30-2008, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

The house is a debt he owes. If it's an asset he can't recoup the cost, why would he cash in the LI and pay it off? That's financially stewpid, imo.

I guess that explains why there is no headstone on the grave. Jason can't afford it and LF doesn't want to pay for it. Thanks for clearing that up.

jmo [/*]Ut oh, looks like the wrong person has been bashed unmercifully for no headstone on Michelle's grave.

5swab5

04-30-2008, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Thanx, so some people are tyring to block the sale.?
Interesting.

What would they like done with the home now?

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

I don't think anyone is trying to "BLOCK" the sale. I think that what honest people are seeing to, is that the truth is known. There are many houses for sale in this area, most without such a dubious distinction as being the site of a spousal and fetal homicide.

Months and months ago, when the sale of the BirchLeaf property was first discussed, SEVERAL realtors were interviewed on camera and said that they would reveal the truth to any and all lookers. They have my utmost respect. As time has gone on, perhaps that isn't happening "out in the open", but it IS happening.

I really don't care one way or the other, Jason is going to have to write a big FAT check, just to unload BirchLeaf. The person that has been covering the mortgage for the last year or so is probably outta luck. Too Bad! IMO, one ought to check the track record of a horse, before betting on it.

JMO

Swabby

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
Ut oh, looks like the wrong person has been bashed unmercifully for no headstone on Michelle's grave. [/*]

I always wondered about that, and as far as the funeral costs sometimes the one who pays is so that they can be in control.

Afterall, I *"heard" she did not even want Michelle's father there, that is sad.

*rumor, no link disclaimer.

Kat

alter ego

04-30-2008, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by Allison

Well, looks as though you haven't been a very good student. I know the teacher taught his sheep better than that!!

Think back, re-read his sermons. They tell you all you need to know. [/*]A back pedal loaded with insults.

Why am I not surprised.

5swab5

04-30-2008, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

The house is a debt he owes. If it's an asset he can't recoup the cost, why would he cash in the LI and pay it off? That's financially stewpid, imo.

I guess that explains why there is no headstone on the grave. Jason can't afford it and LF doesn't want to pay for it. Thanks for clearing that up.

jmo [/*]

My guess is that Linda is waiting, just as Sharon Rocha did...so she can leave OFF that pesky last married name of her daughter.

Can't blame her for that!

MOO

Swabby

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by 5swab5

I don't think anyone is trying to "BLOCK" the sale. I think that what honest people are seeing to, is that the truth is known. There are many houses for sale in this area, most without such a dubious distinction as being the site of a spousal and fetal homicide.

Months and months ago, when the sale of the BirchLeaf property was first discussed, SEVERAL realtors were interviewed on camera and said that they would reveal the truth to any and all lookers. They have my utmost respect. As time has gone on, perhaps that isn't happening "out in the open", but it IS happening.

I really don't care one way or the other, Jason is going to have to write a big FAT check, just to unload BirchLeaf. The person that has been covering the mortgage for the last year or so is probably outta luck. Too Bad! IMO, one ought to check the track record of a horse, before betting on it.

JMO

Swabby [/*]

I know how bad the housing market is everywhere, so it does not surprise me if someone does not want to live in a home where a murder took place.

I know I wouldn't, but, that is just one of those
hey, that's just me things.
:shrug:

Kat

Breakingnews

04-30-2008, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I always wondered about that, and as far as the funeral costs sometimes the one who pays is so that they can be in control.

Afterall, I *"heard" she did not even want Michelle's father there, that is sad.

*rumor, no link disclaimer.

Kat [/*]

I'd say if Linda paid it's because Jason had no money. He was experiencing financial difficulties. Obviously still is, since he's laying his head wherever he can find a free bed.

alter ego

04-30-2008, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by scout

You might want to delete that before june saves it on her zip drive. The truth will eventually illuminate the foolishness and callousness of that statement. [/*]I don't care if June saves it or not so no need to lay down your bait.

It's no more foolish or callous than the never ending bashfest aimed at Jason when he was being blamed for not placing a headstone.

5swab5

04-30-2008, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

A warrant for Meredith's residence didn't materialize out of thin air. There exists probable cause to search it. fyi: a warrant helps the DA prove the chain of evidence was maintained. [/*]

Except for the fact that I have personally checked, I would agree with you.

Since Jason set foot in Meredith's home...even if I was Meredith...I would want it searched too!

Sorry, NO sealed warrant for Meredith's house.

MOO

Swabby

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by 5swab5

My guess is that Linda is waiting, just as Sharon Rocha did...so she can leave OFF that pesky last married name of her daughter.

Can't blame her for that!

MOO

Swabby [/*]

Could be, we discussed those options and the fact that this may not even be Michelle's final resting place if they choose to move her to NY or elsewhere.

:(

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 06:46 PM

alter ego

04-30-2008, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by 5swab5

My guess is that Linda is waiting, just as Sharon Rocha did...so she can leave OFF that pesky last married name of her daughter.

Can't blame her for that!

MOO

Swabby [/*]Oh, so when it was Jason who didn't put up a headstone it was bad bad bad.

But since it's now LF who hasn't put up a headstone, it's fine fine fine.

5swab5

04-30-2008, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

I'd say if Linda paid it's because Jason had no money. He was experiencing financial difficulties. Obviously still is, since he's laying his head wherever he can find a free bed. [/*]

No kidding,

Kinda blows that whole theory out of the water doesn't it?

Michelle & Jason most certainly had money problems...among others.

Funny, the premiums on the LI policy were paid tho. Funny how a mate would make SURE of that "safety net" and then not use it. Opting instead to MOOCH for months on end.

Guess Jason Lynn Young really can't make it, without a female propping him up. ZZZZZZZZZ

Nothing new there.

MOO

Swabby

Breakingnews

04-30-2008, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

And, is C's aunt finally making the entire mortgage pymts by herself now, too?

Kat [/*]

I wouldn't know how much Meredith paid for rent.

I've not seen any SWs in her name saying she was have money problems either.

alter ego

04-30-2008, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by 5swab5

No kidding,

Kinda blows that whole theory out of the water doesn't it?

Michelle & Jason most certainly had money problems...among others.

Funny, the premiums on the LI policy were paid tho. Funny how a mate would make SURE of that "safety net" and then not use it. Opting instead to MOOCH for months on end.

Guess Jason Lynn Young really can't make it, without a female propping him up. ZZZZZZZZZ

Nothing new there.

MOO

Swabby [/*]
More rumors.

alter ego

04-30-2008, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

I wouldn't know how much Meredith paid for rent.

I've not seen any SWs in her name saying she was have money problems either. [/*]So it has to be on a SW to be true :confused:

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

oh, I think the truth will be known prior to trial. Meredith's arrest should clear up a lot of your confusion. Maybe not.

jmo [/*]

You know what?

All we hear is how cruel Jason and the Youngs are by not letting LF see her grand daughter, (which, btw) we don't even know is true or not.

But, none of the JDI's think it was cruel of LF to try and keep AF from his own daughter's funeral..his last chance to say goodbye to her.

She would not even offer him a seat. One of the Youngs gave him theirs on the front row.

But, no that is not cruel, mean or heartless.

:(
Kat

5swab5

04-30-2008, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

You are making a huge assumption that the new buyer was not told the history of the house. If I were the realtor to either party with this house under contract, I sure wouldn't appreciate anyone attempting to sabotage the sale and I'd initiate legal action. As for any loss on the sale Jason may take, it is a tax deduction. [/*]

Good Luck with that!:biggrin:

13% or so. LOL!

I don't care!

As long as he stays insolvent, 'tis good enough for me. Keeps him out of the general population, where he could possibly harm another unsuspecting Mom's daughter.

JMO

Swabby

alter ego

04-30-2008, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by scout

It wasn't bait, ae. I was just trying to save you from future embarrassment or shame. It won't happen again.

Michelle was Jason's wife and the mother of his cherished daughter. He should make sure that a headstone is placed on Michelle's grave and not slough off that responsibility on his mother-in-law. [/*]
Yes please, don't worry about me, worry about yourself and your own future embarrassment or shame. TIA.

Same thing can be said about LF. Michelle was her daughter and mother of her cherished granddaughter and she shouldn't slough off the responsibility of a headstone on the devastated husband and father.

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by 5swab5

Good Luck with that!:biggrin:

13% or so. LOL!

I don't care!

As long as he stays insolvent, 'tis good enough for me. Keeps him out of the general population, where he could possibly harm another unsuspecting Mom's daughter.

JMO

Swabby [/*]

Yep, he is a huge serial killer.
That is why L E is letting him walk the streets free, and allows him to raise his daughter,because he is such a threat to other people..

:shrug:

Kat

5swab5

04-30-2008, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

GMAB. We already know you have no way of checking for sealed warrants. SEALED means just that. Sheesh. [/*]

OK, you are right.

I never worked for the Asst. D.A. in Chapel Hill, I never met any other Officers of the Court, and I never kept up with them.:biggrin:

Whatever you say.

MOO

Swabby

annalyzer

04-30-2008, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

Since Jason returned to Raleigh and stayed in that house it wouldn't necessarily reflect on Meredith if something incriminating were to be found in her house. IMO. [/*]

Well gee, I was informed the other day that that was just rumor. So which is it? Did he stay at Meredith's or not?

Breakingnews

04-30-2008, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
So it has to be on a SW to be true :confused: [/*]

IMO, if Linda had to pay for her daughter's funeral it backs up the claim that Jason and Michelle were having financial problems. Or Jason is a big wuss that lets his MIL tell him what do. Or Jason didn't give a crap about Michelle and Linda had to take care of her burial.

alter ego

04-30-2008, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

IMO, if Linda had to pay for her daughter's funeral it backs up the claim that Jason and Michelle were having financial problems. Or Jason is a big wuss that lets his MIL tell him what do. Or Jason didn't give a crap about Michelle and Linda had to take care of her burial. [/*]
If Jason and Michelle were having financial problems and LF had to pay for the funeral and burial, then she should have also paid for a headstone and all the bashing of Jason for not putting a headstone up was just a waste of bandwith.

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

Yes please, don't worry about me, worry about yourself and your own future embarrassment or shame. TIA.

Same thing can be said about LF. Michelle was her daughter and mother of her cherished granddaughter and she shouldn't slough off the responsibility of a headstone on the devastated husband and father. [/*]

As has been pointed out many times here, Jason is Michelle's next-of-kin. As her spouse and allegedly as the beneficiary of her estate, Jason is legally responsible for Michelle's funeral costs, NOT Michelle's mother. LF can't "slough off" something that isn't her responsibility to begin with.

JMO

alter ego

04-30-2008, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by 5swab5

OK, you are right.

I never worked for the Asst. D.A. in Chapel Hill, I never met any other Officers of the Court, and I never kept up with them.:biggrin:

Whatever you say.

MOO

Swabby [/*]

Thanks for the admission.

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by scout

Thank you, Cardinal. [/*]

You posted the same thing, first!

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I know how bad the housing market is everywhere, so it does not surprise me if someone does not want to live in a home where a murder took place.

I know I wouldn't, but, that is just one of those
hey, that's just me things.
:shrug:

Kat [/*]

It isn't just you, Kat. Personally, I wouldn't live in that house if someone gave it to me.

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

Yes please, don't worry about me, worry about yourself and your own future embarrassment or shame. TIA.

Same thing can be said about LF. Michelle was her daughter and mother of her cherished granddaughter and she shouldn't slough off the responsibility of a headstone on the devastated husband and father. [/*]

Shame and embarrasment on a message board, where is that coming from?

I think some people are getting worried there is no arrest or it is a slow day on their boards.

Kat

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

I think the goal is to keep it unsold as long as possible in order to punish Jason financially. It has nothing whatsoever to do with justice for Michelle.

jmo [/*]

Actually, I agree with you about this one thing - the sale of that house has nothing to do with justice for Michelle. It has to do with the housing market and the history of that house. A potential buyer is not concerned with justice.

As for your first statement, do you think the listing agent is part of the conspiracy to punish Jason?

JMO

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

It isn't just you, Kat. Personally, I wouldn't live in that house if someone gave it to me. [/*]

Me either,Card, and I wouldn't even want a tour of it......
Just knowing how happy Michelle was there at one time, makes me sad... I bet she was so happy with her dream house.

:(

Kat

5swab5

04-30-2008, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

As has been pointed out many times here, Jason is Michelle's next-of-kin. As her spouse and allegedly as the beneficiary of her estate, Jason is legally responsible for Michelle's funeral costs, NOT Michelle's mother. LF can't "slough off" something that isn't her responsibility to begin with.

JMO [/*]

Thank YOU!

I am so sick of rumors.

MOO

Swabby

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Me either,Card, and I wouldn't even want a tour of it......
Just knowing how happy Michelle was there at one time, makes me sad... I bet she was so happy with her dream house.

:(

Kat [/*]

Of course she was. A beautiful home, a family, a good job...the American dream, right? It's very sad, and I wouldn't want to set foot in the house either.

JMO

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

wow. Sure Jason might be legally responsible but morally I think any caring parent would willingly pay for their own child's funeral if need be. The way your portray it, LF really sounds like a callous person. Poor Michelle.

:rose: [/*]

Poor Michelle, indeed, but not for the reason you give.

And according to a poster earlier, LF DID pay for the funeral. Who knows, she may even have offered to pay for a headstone, and was turned down. But that's really moot. The issue was responsibility, and it's not LF's.

JMO

alter ego

04-30-2008, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

As has been pointed out many times here, Jason is Michelle's next-of-kin. As her spouse and allegedly as the beneficiary of her estate, Jason is legally responsible for Michelle's funeral costs, NOT Michelle's mother. LF can "slough off" something that isn't her responsibility to begin with.

JMO [/*]There is no statute stating next of kin or beneficiary of a decedent's estate is legally responsible for funeral costs or placing a headstone.

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
There is no statute stating next of kin or beneficiary of a decedent's estate is legally responsible for funeral costs or placing a headstone. [/*]

As her spouse/next-of-kin, is he not the person authorized to dispose of her body?

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapter_28A/GS_28A-19-8.pdf

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 07:40 PM

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 07:41 PM

alter ego

04-30-2008, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by scout

As Michelle's spouse, Jason inherited all of Michelle's assets and is the beneficiary of her 401k and life insurance policy. Michelle was an adult responsible for her own finances and no longer a financial dependent of her mother. Therefore, the responsibility is Jason's, and Linda cannot slough it off on him. He took on the responsibility when he married Michelle. [/*]
You have no idea how Michelle willed her assets or assigned the proceeds of her 401k.

Her estate is responsible for funeral expenses with her personal representative being the one responsible for funeral arrangements including placement of a headstone.

For all you know, MF was designated Michelle's personal representative making it her responsibility.

on the go

04-30-2008, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

And, is C's aunt finally making the entire mortgage pymts by herself now, too?

Kat [/*]

Which one of Jason's sisters are you referring to?

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

You have no idea how Michelle willed her assets or assigned the proceeds of her 401k.

Her estate is responsible for funeral expenses with her personal representative being the one responsible for funeral arrangements including placement of a headstone.

For all you know, MF was designated Michelle's personal representative making it her responsibility. [/*]

So, you think Michelle would have named someone other than Jason as her personal representative? Interesting.

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

You would be surprised at the number of people who have no problem occupying a house where a murder took place. The Ramsey house is a good example. In fact, some people WANT to live in those famous houses. [/*]

Hi JF.!!
I am sure, but then look at what the buyer of O. J.'s home did,although the murder was not even committed there.

That was meant to punish O.J.

Either way it has to be painful to remember all the happy and good times shared in a home when something like this happens.

:(

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by on the go

Which one of Jason's sisters are you referring to? [/*]

Michelle's only sister.

Kim and Heather are very responsible.

:)
Kat

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

The remains are under his authority as next of kin. No requirement he's personally obligated to pay for disposal or the funeral. Those are costs usually paid by the estate.

Jason could relocate the remains to another cemetery and should do so, imo. [/*]

IF he's her personal representative, then the obligations of her estate attach to him in that role, making it his responsibility. IF he's the beneficiary of her estate, then the funeral costs should be paid before he receives the proceeds of her estate.

But I wouldn't presume to tell Jason what he should do with the remains of his spouse.

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

So, you think Michelle would have named someone other than Jason as her personal representative? Interesting. [/*]

I don't think we know enough about the personal decisions that were made at the time of the funeral.

If LF was indeed, accusing Jason back then of murdering Michelle, how then could she sit back and let him pay for the funeral?

We can't have it both ways..

Kat

alter ego

04-30-2008, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

As her spouse/next-of-kin, is he not the person authorized to dispose of her body?

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapter_28A/GS_28A-19-8.pdf [/*]
Only if she died intestate or if her will had no instructions for body disposal and then there is a list of who is authorized

http://www.ncleg.net/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/bysection/chapter_130a/gs_130a-420.html

Being authorized to dispose of the decedent's body does not make one legally responsible for funeral costs or placing a headstone.

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I don't think we know enough about the personal decisions that were made at the time of the funeral.

If LF was indeed, accusing Jason back then of murdering Michelle, how then could she sit back and let him pay for the funeral?

We can't have it both ways..

Kat [/*]

I agree, Kat, you can't have it both ways. You can't assert that Jason has all of the rights over the decisions regarding Michelle's disposition, and then absolve him of the financial responsibility for that disposition.

JMO

on the go

04-30-2008, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I don't think we know enough about the personal decisions that were made at the time of the funeral.

If LF was indeed, accusing Jason back then of murdering Michelle, how then could she sit back and let him pay for the funeral?

We can't have it both ways..

Kat [/*]

More the question - how could he sit back and let her pay for the funeral?

alter ego

04-30-2008, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by agathachristie

According to Mimi, yes.:shrug: [/*]There is no poster named Mimi posting here :shrug:

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

Funeral costs are a priority claim against an estate. Doesn't matter who the PR is or who is the beneficiary. Nothing is preventing LF from filing such a claim. [/*]

But wouldn't that be perceived as callous?

alter ego

04-30-2008, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by on the go

More the question - how could he sit back and let her pay for the funeral? [/*]There is no proof that she did.

alter ego

04-30-2008, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Alex Cross

Jason Young is the only suspect.
If you believe otherwise, you are in serious denial. [/*]
Nope, he hasn't been named a suspect.

To say otherwise is libel.

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by on the go

More the question - how could he sit back and let her pay for the funeral? [/*]

Well, first of all, I don't know for fact who paid what or why.

But, if there was already all this bad blood, maybe Jason did not want to argue about it.

Jason would have to know at some time that people would know he did not pay for Michelle's funeral, so that is why I question what really happened.

Was it one of those things that LF had covered, or did she say she would take care of it?

Did she make all the arrangements before Jason could?
And, then expect him to pay?

We just don't know, do we?

Kat

annalyzer

04-30-2008, 08:00 PM

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Well, first of all, I don't know for fact who paid what or why.

But, if there was already all this bad blood, maybe Jason did not want to argue about it.

Jason would have to know at some time that people would know he did not pay for Michelle's funeral, so that is why I question what really happened.

Was it one of those things that LF had covered, or did she say she would take care of it?

Did she make all the arrangements before Jason could?
And, then expect him to pay?

We just don't know, do we?

Kat [/*]

No,Kat, we don't know. So it's really interesting that there have been 2 pages of posts about it.

alter ego

04-30-2008, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by Alex Cross

Trying to get the board closed again ego ? [/*]I have never gotten the board closed. And you need to ask those obsessing over Mimi that question in a PM.

on the go

04-30-2008, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

Not true. Jason is not legally responsible for her funeral costs. If Meredith had assets in her name alone then the state could go after that to collect if no one had paid for the funeral. [/*]

I disagree.

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 08:03 PM

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by Alex Cross

Jason Young is the only suspect.
If you believe otherwise, you are in serious denial. [/*]

Nahhhh, 18 months says different.

Kat

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by Alex Cross

Silly you. The state of NC and especially Meredith Fisher, have nothing to do with this.
You better call Brown-Wynne and ask who "bought" the funeral and signed the contract. [/*]

Which really is the issue here, thank you. WHO signed the contract with funeral home, accepting financial responsibility???

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by Alex Cross

Silly you. The state of NC and especially Meredith Fisher, have nothing to do with this.
You better call Brown-Wynne and ask who "bought" the funeral and signed the contract. [/*]

Did "they" even give Jason a chance to make any arrangements on his own?

Or, was it all done before he could have any say so ?

So, now that can be thrown up at him too?

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

No,Kat, we don't know. So it's really interesting that there have been 2 pages of posts about it. [/*]

I see that, a total of 5 pages already, maybe the other Boards are closed or something.
:shrug:

Kat

Barbara2

04-30-2008, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

Well gee, I was informed the other day that that was just rumor. So which is it? Did he stay at Meredith's or not? [/*]

CY was at Meredith's house. Jason came to Meredith's house. He stayed in the house while his mother dealt with the police outside so he was in Meredith's house for a period of time that night. IMO

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Did "they" even give Jason a chance to make any arrangements on his own?

Or, was it all done before he could have any say so ?

So, now that can be thrown up at him too?

Kat [/*]

Kat, c'mon. You can't make a "poor Jason" out of this. If DH passed away, God help anybody who tried to make arrangements without my participation.

on the go

04-30-2008, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Did "they" even give Jason a chance to make any arrangements on his own?

Or, was it all done before he could have any say so ?

So, now that can be thrown up at him too?

Kat [/*]

Too?? Like in addition to not given the chance for make arrangements for a headstone?

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Which really is the issue here, thank you. WHO signed the contract with funeral home, accepting financial responsibility??? [/*]

But we would still need the details leading up to it.

If the Fishers beat the Youngs to the funeral home, then what happened?

How could Jason pay for something if LF already did it?

Did they consult each other first of their plans?

Were they even speaking?

Kat

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

But we would still need the details leading up to it.

If the Fishers beat the Youngs to the funeral homem then what happened?

How could Jason pay for something if LF already did it?

Did they consult each other first of their plans?

Were they even speaking?

Kat [/*]

Who knows, Kat? If there WERE a contest to make funeral arrangements, that's pretty sad. Regardless, as the spouse, Jason could override anything he chose. The funeral home WOULD have deferred to him, imo.

JMO

alter ego

04-30-2008, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

So, you think Michelle would have named someone other than Jason as her personal representative? Interesting. [/*]
Sure. I know for a fact my sister named a personal rep so that her husband and love of her life wouldn't have that burden.

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Kat, c'mon. You can't make a "poor Jason" out of this. If DH passed away, God help anybody who tried to make arrangements without my participation. [/*]

Thats why I am tyring to find out what led to the circumstances here.

Do I think Jason should have paid?

Absolutely!!

But, lets try and find out what all went on up to that point.

If someone swept into town with an entourage and did not allow the husband any say so on the arrangements, then what, Card?

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by Danica

YOU are the only thing cruel, mean and heartless (except for your cohorts of course) Oh, so now it is awful to allegedly keep Michelles dad from her funeral, but not to keep Michelles daughter from her grandmother ?
Not to mention, you have nothing to base this allegation on. I wonder how Michelle would like knowing how you pick her mother and sister apart daily ?
Pathetic ! [/*]

I know, I know......let's just pick on Jason, right?

Because all the attempts to paint him as the bad guy, will somehow justify calling him a murderer and make the arrest happen faster.:rolleyes:

Kat

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

Sure. I know for a fact my sister named a personal rep so that her husband and love of her life wouldn't have that burden. [/*]

True, lots of people choose to name someone other than the spouse.

But it's really unusual for people the ages of Jason and Michelle, imo.

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Thats why I am tyring to find out what led to the circumstances here.

Do I think Jason should have paid?

Absolutely!!

But, lets try and find out what all went on up to that point.

If someone swept into town with an entourage and did not allow the husband any say so on the arrangements, then what, Card?

Kat [/*]

Like I said, Kat. God help anyone who tried to make funeral arrangements for DH without my participation. And the funeral home would have accommodated Jason's wishes if he had voiced them, because they would be afraid of a lawsuit from the surviving spouse.

JMO

annalyzer

04-30-2008, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

absolutely true. ( I know you meant Michelle.) [/*]

Thanks. Too bad others couldn't. :rolleyes:

alter ego

04-30-2008, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I know, I know......let's just pick on Jason, right?

Because all the attempts to paint him as the bad guy, will somehow justify calling him a murderer and make the arrest happen faster.:rolleyes:

Kat [/*]yeah, the character assassination of Jason gets so OLD.

If there was REAL evidence he killed Michelle, we would be talking about his upcoming trial.

I find it incredible that he pulled off a perfect murder :shrug:

Barbara2

04-30-2008, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by Alex Cross

Why do you insist on bashing the victim's mother ?
Talk about incredibly callous. :rolleyes: [/*]

I never considered discussing my wishes for my funeral with my mother. That's just not something a mother wants to hear. No parent wants to think about burying their child. I have discussed my wishes with my husband. He's here "for better or worse" so he listens. I would hope that it won't be something he considers a "burden". I hope he considers it his final gift to me in celebrating my life.

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

Thanks. Too bad others couldn't. :rolleyes: [/*]

Sorry. I tend to take things literally. :D

annalyzer

04-30-2008, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

so, you outed Jodie Foster for us.

:)

Kat [/*]

:lol:

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by Alex Cross

She is an incredible gossip.
Whining about personal funeral arrangements and if Meredith is paying her mortgage. :rolleyes: [/*]

You have to keep things in context, Mr . Cross.

A poster was also whining about Jason living w/ his family.

How come the only sister doesn't want to live with hers?

How come she was counting the days before she could move out from the home with the lizard?

TIA

Kat

alter ego

04-30-2008, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

True, lots of people choose to name someone other than the spouse.

But it's really unusual for people the ages of Jason and Michelle, imo. [/*]I don't know if it's unusual or not. I just know my sister did and why she did it.

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
I don't know if it's unusual or not. I just know my sister did and why she did it. [/*]

I have worked in that field, and, IME, it's unusual for people that age. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that it's unusual. Most people that age don't expect to die any time soon, so it's not a heavy decision for them to name a spouse as the PR.

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Like I said, Kat. God help anyone who tried to make funeral arrangements for DH without my participation. And the funeral home would have accommodated Jason's wishes if he had voiced them, because they would be afraid of a lawsuit from the surviving spouse.

JMO [/*]

Yeah, but we are dealing with a murder, and things had to have been crazy.

Can you imagine the shock everyone was in?

I am trying to give Jason just the smallest benefit of the doubt here.

Not easy!

Kat

5swab5

04-30-2008, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

True. I'm aghast that a mother would take such a position when it comes to her own child. How incredibly callous can one possibly get? All these memorials and media events do seem to have the mother of the victim as the center of attention, imo. [/*]

Laughable that an anonymous JI² poster on a message board would find ANYTHING that Jason did or did not do.....callous.

Jason has had his time, he has had his chances, he has done NOTHING!

Unless you count "moving-on".

MOO

Swabby

RIP Rylan :rose: He didn't care about you either!

alter ego

04-30-2008, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

I have worked in that field, and, IME, it's unusual for people that age. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that it's unusual. Most people that age don't expect to die any time soon, so it's not a heavy decision for them to name a spouse as the PR. [/*]Thank you for your insights. :)

awareness

04-30-2008, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton
Actually, if it's common sense you're going by, then you should realize GA friend has been treated as a suspect. She was, after all the last person to see Michelle alive other than the killer. You really are in serious denial if you don't believe Meredith is on the suspect list.

jmo [/*]

Id love to see this "suspect list" that you're talking about.
Link, please.

JMO/IMO

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Yeah, but we are dealing with a murder, and things had to have been crazy.

Can you imagine the shock everyone was in?

I am trying to give Jason just the smallest benefit of the doubt here.

Not easy!

Kat [/*]

No, honestly, I can't imagine the shock everyone was in, and I hope that never changes. I have, however, experienced the death of several loved ones, and made more funeral arrangements than I ever wanted to make.

And I know that, in every case, the funeral directors were very solicitous and accommodating. So if Jason had spoken up, they would definitely have listened.

JMO

Cardinal

04-30-2008, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
Thank you for your insights. :) [/*]

You're welcome. :)

5swab5

04-30-2008, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Thats why I am tyring to find out what led to the circumstances here.

Do I think Jason should have paid?

Absolutely!!

But, lets try and find out what all went on up to that point.

If someone swept into town with an entourage and did not allow the husband any say so on the arrangements, then what, Card?

Kat [/*]

Ridiculous!

"swept into town", right after that "FLUKE" of the other daughter being summoned into Jason's den.

OOOOPPPPPS!~
Jason is broke! Guess who has to pay?

Guess the financial thAng wasn't quite as rosy as relayed.

Figures!

MOO

Swabby

alter ego

04-30-2008, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by Doorbell

Scuze me...

Isn't Meredith in her mid 20s?

I can't think of a single mid 20s person who would want to live with her parents. If she did live with her parents, you would be bashing her for being dysfunctional.

We would all have cut Jason some slack about staying with his family if:

he had talked with police
he had taken care of the house on Birchleaf (mowing, etc.)
he allowed Cassidy to see LF

If all that had been happening, it would have appeared that, in spite of his grief, he was nobly shouldering his responsibilities.

People who nobly shoulder their responsibilities get a lot of breaks. Are considered heroes, in a way.

Behaviour counts.

IMO [/*]
No, behavior doesn't count.

The Cynthia Sommers case proved that.

5swab5

04-30-2008, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

(respectfully snipped)
I am trying to give Jason just the smallest benefit of the doubt here.

Not easy!

Kat [/*]

Finally a voice of reason! Thanks Kat!

MOO!

Swabby

annalyzer

04-30-2008, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

jerzee girl, that is close to the scenario that I have imagined. Almost word for word your post reflects what I have thought all along.

I think Michelle found something out that night and did tell him either never to come back or that she would be leaving him. He may have made the decision to turn around and try to stop her and like you said, the argument escalated and Michelle wound up dead. This is also why I have had a problem with her murder being pre-meditated. Of course I am not considering the accident in the car or boat since we don't know if the boat incident happened or if the car accident was intentional. Basing my opinon only on what happened that night, I'd say JY had no intention of going there to murder her.

JMO of course! [/*]

But IMO there had to be a lot of built up hate to do that much damage to Michelle. I don't believe Michelle finding out about MM and telling Jason to get the hell out would lead to what happened.

Barbara2

04-30-2008, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

But IMO there had to be a lot of built up hate to do that much damage to Michelle. I don't believe Michelle finding out about MM and telling Jason to get the hell out would lead to what happened. [/*]

I think there has to be a lot of built up hate for a man to seek out his wife's very good friend for an affair. That's more than just some manly urge, IMO.

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by 5swab5

<snipped>

Ridiculous!

"swept into town",

Swabby [/*]

You know , I am wrong about the way I posted that and I am sorry..:(

I was trying to figure out if the funeral arrangements for Michelle may have become some kind of tug-of -war between families, but never should I have insinuated that a Mother, any Mother, should not be allowed her choice of burial for her child.

I just thought that maybe Jason was out numbered or the situation was overbearing in some way to explain why he did not pay for it (if, he didn't)

I really sincerely apologize.

Kat

annalyzer

04-30-2008, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

I think there has to be a lot of built up hate for a man to seek out his wife's very good friend for an affair. That's more than just some manly urge, IMO. [/*]

I don't think so and maybe it was her that sought out him. ;)

Barbara2

04-30-2008, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

I don't think so and maybe it was her that sought out him. ;) [/*]

What if it wasn't?

Barbara2

04-30-2008, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

MF didn't pull off the perfect murder. She blew the 911 call and it's been downhill from there.
Which is why some of us are anticipating her upcoming arrest.

:shrug: [/*]

She did not blow the 911 call. If that were the case, and it had been downhill from there, she would be facing a trial right now. Your skewed perception is not reality. IMO

annalyzer

04-30-2008, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ
snip~

Well, since JY was having a "relationship" with another woman, he obviously already had a lot of built up hate toward Michelle. [/*]

Many men and women have affairs but still love their SO's.

Barbara2

04-30-2008, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

Many men and women have affairs but still love their SO's. [/*]

And then there are those that have affairs and realize that they would like their spouse out of the way and so they kill their spouse. Many examples of that as well. IMO

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

I don't think so and maybe it was her that sought out him. ;) [/*]

Either way, it takes two, and they are both to blame for whatever was going on between them.

MM certainly does not get trashed like AF did, and yet AF did not even know Laci, did not know Scott was married, and MM did.

MM was Michelle's friend, so what is worse?

An unsuspecting Amber or a Michelle M who knew?

Kat

annalyzer

04-30-2008, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

And then there are those that have affairs and realize that they would like their spouse out of the way and so they kill their spouse. Many examples of that as well. IMO [/*]

True. But to say Jason hated Michelle because he was having an affair is ridiculous.

Barbara2

04-30-2008, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Either way, it takes two, and they are both to blame for whatever was going on between them.

MM certainly does not get trashed like AF did, and yet AF did not even know Laci, did not know Scott was married, and MM did.

MM was Michelle's friend, so what is worse?

An unsuspecting Amber or a Michelle M who knew?

Kat [/*]

Amber didn't kill Laci and MM didn't kill Michelle so that's a different argument. No one is saying that MM isn't guilty of being a really bad friend. But she didn't kill anyone.

Barbara2

04-30-2008, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

True. But to say Jason hated Michelle because he was having an affair is ridiculous. [/*]

You don't think that shows a degree of animosity towards his wife?

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

She did not blow the 911 call. If that were the case, and it had been downhill from there, she would be facing a trial right now. Your skewed perception is not reality. IMO [/*]

Jason is not facing a trial either, and not all the "not yets or soon", mean anything.

Kat

Barbara2

04-30-2008, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Jason is not facing a trial either, and not all the "not yets or soon", mean anything.

Kat [/*]

I never said something like, "He blew it from the moment he got back in town and refused to talk to the detectives and it's been downhill ever since." If a person was a prime suspect and everything went downhill for them for that moment on, I would expect them to be arrested by now. That was the comment I was referring to.

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

I thought you were one of the ones who didn't think anything "romantic" was going on between JY and MM??? Your post says you feel differently.

Anyway............

MM is the worse one IMO. [/*]

I never defended Jason when it came to MM,
I don' t know what happened or didn't happen between them.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

It was posted here earlier that he was asked not to attend. I was just asking where that came from. [/*]

It was posted here that LF did not want AF there.
That there was not even a seat saved for him.

Apparently, they do not get along.

As for Michelle, it was posted that she had been estranged from her Dad for awhile, and Jason helped to reconcile them.

It was posted that MF was okay with him, but on her webpage when asked about getting along with her Dad, she said No.

This is the reasoning of Message Boards, you get to believe what you want.

Kat

ETA......... Jason must get along with AF, as he took C to see him....

Barbara2

04-30-2008, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

Please address me by my nic. :no: [/*]

MM or JF? (Didn't Kat refer to you as JF? Is that O.K.?)

alter ego

04-30-2008, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

True. But to say Jason hated Michelle because he was having an affair is ridiculous. [/*]I agree

Kat4Eagles

04-30-2008, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

MM or JF? (Didn't Kat refer to you as JF? Is that O.K.?) [/*]

Yep, we're friends.:)

Kat

Barbara2

04-30-2008, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

I addressed a post to Tiaz, agathachristie's nic responded as though she were Tiaz and called me by another nic. Now, you respond on behalf of agathachristie. You folks need to get your nics straight and abide by the TOS.

btw, Kat refered to me as JF and she apologized via PM. [/*]

She didn't share that PM with me so I had no way of knowing. Since you didn't chastise her in the open, I assumed that you were OK with your former nics. I won't call you anything other than MandyMutton or MM from now on.

I actually wasn't responding on behalf of anyone. I'm just trying to understand your personal rules for the board in regards to your nic. Peace to ya, MM.

5swab5

04-30-2008, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

Nobody could block Alan Fisher from attendance at the funeral of his own daughter, imo. It's my understanding that there demands for separate rooms and separate entrances and it wasn't Jason or Alan making such demands. [/*]

DOH!

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

04-30-2008, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by Allison

Me, too.

It's a lie. [/*]

Thanks!

I know it, you know it, and everybody in the realm KNOWS it! But since it wasn't in the "Newspaper"..it can't be true. OH wait, they LIE too.....

I give up!

The TRUTH will "OUT", it always does!

MOO!

Swabby

annalyzer

04-30-2008, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by 5swab5

Thanks!

I know it, you know it, and everybody in the realm KNOWS it! But since it wasn't in the "Newspaper"..it can't be true. OH wait, they LIE too.....

I give up!

The TRUTH will "OUT", it always does!

MOO!

Swabby [/*]

I hope so and soon. Someone has had 18 months of freedom that they don't deserve.

alter ego

05-01-2008, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by Allison

Me, too.

It's a lie. [/*]What proof do you have that it is a lie.

alter ego

05-01-2008, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by Allison

It's a lie. Thats all you need to know.

And it needs to stop here.

Period. [/*]

IOW, No, you can't prove it's a lie.

Period.

And no, that's not all I need to know.

alter ego

05-01-2008, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by Allison

Let it go, AE. It's a lie. Period.

For real. You have no idea what you're messing with.

Anything else = fair game, but let this go.

I am asking nicely.

Really.

Subject closed. [/*]Until you can prove it's a lie, I can question your assertion that others are lying.

That's how it works and that's what I'm "messing with". It's called posting on a message board. :read:

alter ego

05-01-2008, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by Allison

Whatever.

It's a lie.

And I asked for it not to be discussed any further. If you cannot respect that, you are sadly demonstrating your lack of class and decency. All I was asking was for the discussion to end. It is your choice to believe me or not, and you choose not to, although nothing I have posted on this forum has been false, because i mo, Jason killed Michelle. You know good and damn well that I cannot "prove" something that did not happen and I am not going to argue this anymore.

I am asking the rest of the posters on this board to not discuss this "rumor" any further, please, as it is false and the person it concerns has nothing to do with Michelle's murder.

TIA [/*]
Jason's family had nothing to do with Michelle's murder, but they are slammed to high heaven with all kinds of rumors. Where is the class and decency in that? Let's be fair here and not discuss ANY rumors. How about that?

I know it's my choice to believe you or not and I certainly don't need your permission.

Not respecting your wishes will show my lack of class and decency? The only one I am concerned about respecting the wishes of as far as the topic of discussion, is Coldwater.

alter ego

05-01-2008, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by Doorbell

So it's OK to slam the victim's family, none of whom have done ANYTHING to deserve it?

Jason's family (the ones we have heard from) have, by their own actions, put themselves out here to be criticized. His sister, who told all sorts of conflicting stories in the early days. His mother ("and that's all you need to know"). As far as I know, these are the only ones who have suffered the slings and arrows of message board posters.

Michelle's family have done NOTHING to deserve the constant slashing they have suffered.

Your "tit for tat" scenario lacks logic. It is spawned by viciousness.

You have been asked nicely to drop the subject of Michelle's father.

Too bad that you have no empathy for the father of a murdered woman, and grandfather of a murdered baby.

While I truly hope you never find yourself in the shoes of Michelle's father, I wish you could find it in your heart to have a little empathy. [/*]
No, Jason's family didn't do anything to deserve RUMORS being posted about them.

I asked a poster for proof after they declared someone lied. To twist that into no empathy for a father that lost a daughter and grandchild from a senseless murder is a spin of epic proportions.

alter ego

05-01-2008, 02:04 AM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

That's the saddest part of this entire saga. The killer has had 18 months of freedom. Michelle deserves justice and hopefully, she will receive it. [/*]Absolutely.

alter ego

05-01-2008, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by Doorbell

Why not ask the person who posted the statement that Allison responded to, to prove that their statement is true? [/*]
Because I think I know which post TIAZ was referring to.

:read:

alter ego

05-01-2008, 02:35 AM

Originally posted by TIAZ

It was posted here earlier that he was asked not to attend. I was just asking where that came from. [/*]Well, I thought I knew which post you were referring to, but I can't find it. Can you please link to the post that states he was asked not to attend?

tia

alter ego

05-01-2008, 02:59 AM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

I think this might be it. Kat doesn't say LF was successful, just that she tried and I think that is very accurate. I believe the lack of chair refers to the graveside service.

jmo
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Kat4Eagles
Senior Member

Registered: Jun 2006
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 3071

quote:

You know what?

All we hear is how cruel Jason and the Youngs are by not letting LF see her grand daughter, (which, btw) we don't even know is true or not.

But, none of the JDI's think it was cruel of LF to try and keep AF from his own daughter's funeral..his last chance to say goodbye to her.

She would not even offer him a seat. One of the Youngs gave him theirs on the front row.

But, no that is not cruel, mean or heartless. [/*]

Kat also doesn't say that he was asked not to attend. So is that what was called a lie - this post being interpreted as saying he was asked not attend?

Or was the 'asked not to attend' being called a lie - because no one said that

:shrug:

JHP

05-01-2008, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

I think this might be it. Kat doesn't say LF was successful, just that she tried and I think that is very accurate. I believe the lack of chair refers to the graveside service.

jmo
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Kat4Eagles
Senior Member

Registered: Jun 2006
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 3071

quote:

You know what?

All we hear is how cruel Jason and the Youngs are by not letting LF see her grand daughter, (which, btw) we don't even know is true or not.

But, none of the JDI's think it was cruel of LF to try and keep AF from his own daughter's funeral..his last chance to say goodbye to her.

She would not even offer him a seat. One of the Youngs gave him theirs on the front row.

But, no that is not cruel, mean or heartless. [/*]

Lets just think for a minute. LF had just lost a daughter and grandson to be in a brutal murder. And she is supposed to think about offering people seats at the graveside service?

I don't for one second think this is a true rumor. AF and his wife have shown up with LF and MF at memorials for Michelle. They didn't keep him from those.

alter ego

05-01-2008, 11:13 AM

alter ego

05-01-2008, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by TIAZ

I think we are waiting to see where Kat got his info. Apparently its important to get this lie that was posted on a public message boar, cleared up. [/*]And while we're at it, let's get all the lies posted about Jason and his family cleared up too.

alter ego

05-01-2008, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by Allison

I never said Kat lied.

I never called her a liar. She was repeating a rumor she had heard..those were her words, she "heard"...and the rumor she heard is a lie. Whoever told her that AF was asked to not attend his daughter's funeral told her a lie.

I have to wonder why someone would tell Kat such a boldface lie and allow her to post it on this message board that is viewed by so many people. Gotta wonder what they were trying to accomplish.

Maybe trying to put a wedge into a hurting family dealing with tragedy? Trying to "win" someone over?

I think it is sad and if the real situation was known the posters helping fuel this BS would feel really stupid. [/*]Kat never said "AF was asked to not attend his daughter's funeral".

:read:

annalyzer

05-01-2008, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by june1943

You say subject closed a zillion posts ago and yet you continue to post about it. The way to close a conversation is to stop posting about it. Try it I can assure you it will work. [/*]

lol If she hadn't made such a big deal about it in the first place everyone would've forgotten about it by now. lol

annalyzer

05-01-2008, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by TIAZ

I don't think so. I think it was a terrible lie for Kat to post here and a horrible thing to do to the vicitms parents. It shouldn't be forgotten. [/*]

What words did Allison describe a person who won't just drop it? ;)

alter ego

05-01-2008, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Its been posted and posted what she said she "heard".

snipped from Kat's post to clear things up for AE:

"But, none of the JDI's think it was cruel of LF to try and keep AF from his own daughter's funeral..his last chance to say goodbye to her."

And AGAIN:

"LF to try and keep AF from his own daughter's funeral"

OKAY????? [/*]You don't need to clear it up for me. I know what Kat posted. I'm not the one that then posted that Kat said AF was not allowed or that AF was asked not to attend.

And how much of what is posted here about Jason or his family that is based on what someone 'heard' has any offering of proof?

Why NONE of it!

alter ego

05-01-2008, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by TIAZ

I don't think so. I think it was a terrible lie for Kat to post here and a horrible thing to do to the vicitms parents. It shouldn't be forgotten. [/*]Whether it is a lie or not is up for each person to decide on their own.

Just like all the other "I heard"s posted here.

alter ego

05-01-2008, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by TIAZ

You guys really can't handle when one of yours is caught in a lie can you? [/*]No one has been caught in lie. It was, however pointed out that you misrepresented what Kat posted.

annalyzer

05-01-2008, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

You guys really can't handle when one of yours is caught in a lie can you? [/*]

No, it looks like it's you that can't handle it. :biggrin:

alter ego

05-01-2008, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by Blaze

Wrong.

Originally posted by TIAZ

OMG! Drop it already!!! Its been proven over and over what Kat said, sorry if I worded it slightly differently, and OF COURSE rather than PROVE where Kat got her bogus info, you spend your time an energy micro-managing every word of my post and somehow over look Kat spreading lies about the parents of a brutally murdered woman. Unbelievable!

I want to know where Kat got her info, spill it Kat. If you can't back up your horrible story, drop it! [/*] [/*]
Nope, I'm not wrong.

Go back and :read: the posts by TIAZ wherein she states someone posted that AF was not allowed to attend that that AF was asked not to attend. Neither of which was said by anyone on this board - except TIAZ when she decided that was what Kat said.

:read:

alter ego

05-01-2008, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by scout

Do you dare to hold them to the standards that they demand of anyone who posts something unflattering about Jason Young? [/*]

Guess you also missed the fact that Allison responded to a post by TIAZ.

:read:

alter ego

05-01-2008, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Right. I can't handle how a blatant lie can be posted here and you defend it ONLY because its one of your own posting it. If anyone else on the JDI side posted it, you'd be all over it.

Ruins all of your credibility IMO.

Have a great day! I have no desire to continue watching you defend a liar. [/*]
Again, it's up to each poster to decide on their own what to believe or not.

You calling someone a liar doesn't make it so.

alter ego

05-01-2008, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by Blaze

And then this was posted:

Originally posted by TIAZ

OMG! Drop it already!!! Its been proven over and over what Kat said, sorry if I worded it slightly differently, and OF COURSE rather than PROVE where Kat got her bogus info, you spend your time an energy micro-managing every word of my post and somehow over look Kat spreading lies about the parents of a brutally murdered woman. Unbelievable!

I want to know where Kat got her info, spill it Kat. If you can't back up your horrible story, drop it! [/*] [/*]

I am missing your point and why you are so upset. Calm down. Kat posted mis-information. Thats all there is to it, nothing more. [/*]
You don't need to tell me to calm down, I'm not upset.

I have yet to see anyone offer any proof that what Kat posted was mis-information.

Got any?

alter ego

05-01-2008, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by scout

Don't be obtuse, AE. You know as well as I do which comment Allison was calling a lie -- Kat's statement that Linda tried to prevent Alan Fisher from attending Michelle's funeral. Do you want to discuss the case or argue about errors of semantics? (Rhetorical question, because I know you really get off on that.) [/*]
huh? Doorbell asked me why I didn't ask the person who posted the statement that Allison responded to, to prove their statement true.

Allison responded to a post that TIAZ made wherein TIAZ said it was posted earlier that AF was asked not to attend. Allison posted she wanted to know where that came from too and said it was a lie.

No one said that AF was asked not to attend and no amount of your name calling will change that fact.

Please do me a favor and keep your snide remarks about me to yourself. TIA

annalyzer

05-01-2008, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Right. I can't handle how a blatant lie can be posted here and you defend it ONLY because its one of your own posting it. If anyone else on the JDI side posted it, you'd be all over it.

Ruins all of your credibility IMO.

Have a great day! I have no desire to continue watching you defend a liar. [/*]

Allison asked for the subject to be dropped. You are the one that is keeping it perpetuated. That is all I am saying. If you can't comprehend that then that's your problem.

alter ego

05-01-2008, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by Blaze

You JII's will believe ANYTHING as long as it makes Michelle's family look bad.

Unbelievable. [/*]

And you JDI's will believe ANYTHING as long as it makes Jason or his family look bad.

Unbelievable.

Kat4Eagles

05-01-2008, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

OMG! Drop it already!!! Its been proven over and over what Kat said, sorry if I worded it slightly differently, and OF COURSE rather than PROVE where Kat got her bogus info, you spend your time an energy micro-managing every word of my post and somehow over look Kat spreading lies about the parents of a brutally murdered woman. Unbelievable!

I want to know where Kat got her info, spill it Kat. If you can't back up your horrible story, drop it! [/*]

Wow...I already extended my apology to LF.
What I posted was uncalled for.
At the time of a funeral, everyone does not always know what they are doing or saying, and words and actions can be taken out of context.
In my efforts to defend Jason from not paying the expenses, I blamed LF for possibly leaving Jason out of making the funeral arrangements, when in reality,I really don't know what happened.

If this is an effort to backtrack, then, yes, that is what I am doing.
Anything I heard differently about the time of the funeral was from postings.

I heard LF and AF were not on speaking terms, and that he was not welcomed by her at the funeral.
I also believe he may have actually sat with the Youngs, that should be able to find out.
Someone from the families could verify that.

I do think it is fair to say that the relationship with LF and AF was not a good one for years.

I am guessing the girls got caught in the middle, as it happens in divorces.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-01-2008, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

I think we are waiting to see where Kat got his info. Apparently its important to get this lie that was posted on a public message boar, cleared up. [/*]

Do you know how many things that have been posted here as fact that are not true..

I copied something that was posted , and I believed it because it was what I wanted to believe.

Do you know for a fact if LF and Jason had a talk before the funeral arrangements of what they both wanted?

Did LF and AF both fly in to NC on the same plane?
Did they comfort each other?
Were they "friends" at the time?

Kat

alter ego

05-01-2008, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by Blaze

Stop pretending you care about what Allison requested. What is really going on here is that KAT LIED and GOT CAUGHT and the JII's want us to stop talking about it to avoid further embarrassment. [/*]
Wrong.

Kat did not lie and did not get caught.

What is going on here is that a post by Kat was misrepresented twice and the one that misrepresented it was caught.

Kat4Eagles

05-01-2008, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

Wrong.

Kat did not lie and did not get caught.

What is going on here is that a post by Kat was misrepresented twice and the one that misrepresented it was caught. [/*]

I am not the least worried about it.

I heard the relationship with LF and AF was strained at the time.

It still may be.

The only thing I am sorry for is coming down hard on LF for whatever she decided about Michelle's funeral.

Michelle was her daughter.

Kat

annalyzer

05-01-2008, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by Blaze

Stop pretending you care about what Allison requested. What is really going on here is that KAT LIED and GOT CAUGHT and the JII's want us to stop talking about it to avoid further embarrassment. [/*]

She didn't lie. She repeated what she had heard here. And no I don't care what Allison requested but I thought you did.

alter ego

05-01-2008, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I am not the least worried about it.

I heard the relationship with LF and AF was strained at the time.

It still may be.

The only thing I am sorry for is coming down hard on LF for whatever she decided about Michelle's funeral.

Kat [/*]

I have heard the same thing.

I don't think you have anything to be sorry for.

alter ego

05-01-2008, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by scout
Saying that the relationship between Linda and Alan Fisher was strained does not equate to saying that Linda tried to prevent Alan from attending the funeral. Kat's post was the first time anything like that has been said on this board. So she wasn't just repeating something that she heard here. It originated with Kat, and it's not true. [/*]
Again, it's up to each poster to decide on their own what to believe or not. It's not up to you to decide for them.

You have posted many times what you have 'heard'. Why should what you 'heard' be believed but not what Kat heard?

I recall reading something very close to what Kat posted on this very board.

alter ego

05-01-2008, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by june1943

I can weigh in on this and so can Allison. AF sat with Jason at the funeral. To put it mildly LF and AF"s relationship was strained. I understood what you said and you didn't say she tried to keep him away and you were correct in that a member of the Young family gave him a seat at the cemetery. [/*]I guess the Young's aren't the monsters some portray them as afterall.

annalyzer

05-01-2008, 02:40 PM

Wyn

05-01-2008, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by june1943
I was reading this flyer about the lady bugs. I sure hope none of them die before the flight or they may have those animal rights people on them. Is a lady bug an animal?

http://www.members.shaw.ca/ladybug_release/ [/*]

Okay, the lies by the Jason defenders, the accusations by one poster that others are using different nics when she's the one that's got the most nics, are par for the course. That's why I don't bother with this board anymore. But when I heard about this post, I just couldn't resist a peak.

A ladybug is an INSECT. The fact that you don't know this June is absolutely beyond belief!!

Jason's got some top notch defenders over here.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

annalyzer

05-01-2008, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Wyn

That's why I don't bother with this board anymore. [/*]

lol Yeah right. At least under this nic you don't. lol

Kat4Eagles

05-01-2008, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

No need for an apology from you but several posters owe you an apology for misrepresenting your post and calling you a liar. Hundreds of people attended the services. They observed who was in the family receiving line and who was not. Who in Alan's family attended and who was noticeably absent. Who had a chair at graveside services and who did not. jmo [/*]

Thanxxx, Jodi! !;)

But,maybe the dynamics of the family should be explored more carefully, since it is a touchy subject.

If the story about Jason being accused by LF of murdering Michelle in front of a crowd of people at the funeral or funeral home is true, then that would be a reason for many things the JII's have of finding faults with his actions or non~actions.

For instance, lets start with the news of Michell's murder.
Did LF suspect Jason right away?

I know Sharon Rocha did not suspect Scott until she learned of Amber. Then she was quoted as saying" Why did he have to kill her?"
Up until then ,she publicly supported Scott.

So, with LF, when did she make the decision she thought Jason was responsible?
Did she hear about MM?
Was she told things and by whom?

So, then we get to her arrival in Raleigh,
Fuquay, Varina, is it?
I would think she went to the only sister's home, (actually, her home) and then waited for Jason with everyone else.
Is this what happened?

If so, why was Jason invited there, besides the fact C was there?
Now, we know that later that evening the Youngs arrived and were greeted by Raleigh's finest.

Okay, so then what?
Did they all talk to each other?
Did LF greet Jason too?
What were the circumstances at first?
Did LE pass any suspicions on to LF about Jason?
Were any accusations thrown out at that time?

Then, the funeral plans and arrangements had to be made.
I guess LF stepped up.
But by this point, was Jason still being included?
How is he being treated or looked at?

Is this the point where the Fishers and Youngs became divided?

All this can explain why the bad feelings, the lack of a headstone, and the visitations or lack of between C and the Fishers.

And, yet, Jason took C to see AF.
So, is AF supporting him?
And, is this another reason that LF and AF are divided?

Kat

alter ego

05-01-2008, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by june1943
I was reading this flyer about the lady bugs. I sure hope none of them die before the flight or they may have those animal rights people on them. Is a lady bug an animal?

http://www.members.shaw.ca/ladybug_release/ [/*]
Not an animal, but still mentioned:

People who strive to live without cruelty will attempt to push the line back as far as possible, giving the benefit of the doubt where there is doubt. Certainly, one can avoid unnecessary cruelty to insects. The practical issues involved in enfranchising insects are dealt with in the following two questions. DG

I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth. Mahatma Gandhi (statesman and philosopher)

What is it that should trace the insuperable line? ...The question is not, Can they reason? nor, Can they talk? but, Can they suffer? Jeremy Bentham (philosopher)

http://animal-rights.net/ar-faq/q39.php

Kat4Eagles

05-01-2008, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by Allison

AF & LF were divorced. Of course they had a strained relationship. And yes, they had unfortunately had no
relationship for a few years prior to the murder. They had adult daughters and really had no reason to talk to one another. They live in different towns. No need to have a relationship. Happens all the time when people divorce. No Big Deal.

Their daughter had been murdered, their only grandchild had been left alone with her mother's body for hours possibly. They were shocked, in dispair and overcome with emotion. It's fair to say that LF did not "welcome" her ex --- imo, she "welcomed" no one to her murdered daughter's funeral. No pne, not even the Young's welcomed people to the funeral. Michelle died suddenly, just consider the circumstances.

AF did sit away from LF, but not "with" the Young family, he was not alligned with anyone. He stood apart from the Young's and LF at the wake.

They were all in shock. They didn't know what to do. Everything just "happened", nothing was planned and nothing was malicious and this is the first time I have heard anything contrary about it.

And no, LF did not IN ANY WAY try and keep Michelle's dad from attending the funeral and any rumor that states otherwise is just simply not true.

And I agree with HI_CYCLE who said that all the parents need to be left off the hurtful rumor posts. They are not suspects and they should not be treated as such on the boards.

Both sides.

IMO [/*]

Okay, that is fair and I agree, but if we are to understand why Jason did not pay for the funeral. or get Michelle a headstone or is not letting C visit with the Fishers, then you have to find the underlying reason.

Because again, it can't be both ways.

I guess the problem I have with LF is that I have never been able to picture her in the same way as Sharon Rocha.

There was an article saying she never saw C, and then someone here posted contradictory to that.

Does anyone understand that if she is accusing Jason of killing her daughter, its going to make things a little difficult to see her granddaughter?
Maybe if she waited it out, by letting the case go on, and see where it ends up, she may have had a better chance for contact and communication.

Now, it is one huge mess.
We are 18 months into an investigation and no one wins.

C is not winning by being without her Mom.
Jason is not winning anything.
The Fishers and Youngs are destroyed.
And, most of all, Michelle does not still have justice.

Kat

alter ego

05-01-2008, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Okay, that is fair and I agree, but if we are to understand why Jason did not pay for the funeral. or get Michelle a headstone or is not letting C visit with the Fishers, then you have to find the underlying reason.

Because again, it can't be both ways.

I guess the problem I have with LF is that I have never been able to picture her in the same way as Sharon Rocha.

There was an article saying she never saw C, and then someone here posted contradictory to that.

Does anyone understand that if she is accusing Jason of killing her daughter, its going to make things a little difficult to see her granddaughter?
Maybe if she waited it out, by letting the case go on, and see where it ends up, she may have had a better chance for contact and communication.

Now, it is one huge mess.
We are 18 months into an investigation and no one wins.

C is not winning by being without her Mom.
Jason is not winning anything.
The Fishers and Youngs are destroyed.
And, most of all, Michelle does not still have justice.

Kat [/*]

Great post and great points

Kat4Eagles

05-01-2008, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

Great post and great points [/*]

I just think that if someone is accusing you of murder, its kind of hard to write a check even with the best of intentions.

Same with L E.

If they thought he killed her from the beginning, even before he got back to town, that nite, how could he go answer their questions.

Someone told him how people were acting before he arrived.
What chance did Jason ever have , if you think about it??

:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-01-2008, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by Allison

I cannot say why Jason did not pay for the funeral or burial. I know why, but I cannot say on a public message board. The reason why has been speculated, but no one will know for sure until this case is tried in a court of law and all the evidence is put before a jury.

I also cannot speak for LF. I have not walked a mile in her shoes and cannot fathom the grief and pain she must endure everyday that a killer walks free. I cannot imagine losing a child the way she did. I know they talked all the time and Cassidy was a huge part of LF's life, so maybe only being allowed to see Cassidy once or twice in the last 18 months is what she means by not seeing her. In fact, I don't remember her saying that she hadn't seen her at all, just that she hoped one day she could be a part of Cass' life like she once was (I may be wrong about that and I am sure it will be pointed out if I am).

We can sit and pass judgement on LF till the moon turns green, about what she should do or say to get to see her grandchild, but I don't think I could hide THAT emotion. I would have to ask, I would have to know and I would have to confront the person i thought killed my child.

Remember, she knows a whole lot more about what is going on in this case than we can ever imagine knowing, so something she knows caused her to think her only SIL killed her dtr--even though I don't think I have ever seen a link that connects her to that statement nor have a heard it.

And there is no one that can fairly discuss JY's reltionship with LF. I think the only people who can accurately describe it are JY and LF and MY. No one else knows the true dynamics.

IMO [/*]

I guess the only thing I can still come up with, is once again, it is just a huge mess.
It has also been posted why Jason did not pay and it was not becase he did not try or did not want to.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-01-2008, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

I don't know LF's reasons for deciding Jason was the murderer and her need use Michelle's funeral to let everyone know it. Likely some control issues driving that behavior. LE tries to examine all those interpersonal relationships just as they did with MM but I don't believe the relationship with MM was known until after the funeral. [/*]

I think you are right about MM.
Even their friends and sorority sistas did not know until later, and we still don't know even how all involved it was.

Kat

alter ego

05-01-2008, 03:36 PM

alter ego

05-01-2008, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I just think that if someone is accusing you of murder, its kind of hard to write a check even with the best of intentions.

Same with L E.

If they thought he killed her from the beginning, even before he got back to town, that nite, how could he go answer their questions.

Someone told him how people were acting before he arrived.
What chance did Jason ever have , if you think about it??

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

Exactly. And it certainly puts his stepfather's comment into context about not giving LE the chance to twist anything Jason said.

Kat4Eagles

05-01-2008, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Allison

The relationship was not known publicly[/*] until after the funeral.

It was made known to LE well before the funeral.

publicly[/*] [/*]

Did LF and MF know too?

Kat

alter ego

05-01-2008, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Allison

No...the reason why he did not pay has been specualted about on this board and is also considered a motive for Michelle's murder BUT it cannot be proven until this case is tried. [/*]

Oh you mean the ALLEGATION that the couple had financial trouble and the murder was to get the LI money? How is that going to be proven at trial when the LI proceeds have not been collected?

Oh and in addition to LE not naming a suspect or POI, they haven't declared a motive either. Kinda tough to do when the case isn't even solved.

And motive is not an element of murder that has to be proven, so for you declare it something that will proven at trial is just wishful thinking on your part.

annalyzer

05-01-2008, 04:02 PM

annalyzer

05-01-2008, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by Allison

I don't know when exactly LF and MF found out. I do know LE knew within the first 24 hours.

Remember, LE questioned several people before JY ever returned to Raleigh simply because the first 24 hours of a homicide investigation are the most important.

Le was told a lot of things by friends while they waited on JY.

There was a reason for LE supposed hostile attitude toward JY when he arrived in Raleigh. They had "learned" things and couldn't get in touch with Jason.

IMO [/*]

And what "things" did LE learn about Jason in that little space of time? And what "friends" were at the scene to tell LE "things" about Jason?

alter ego

05-01-2008, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by Allison

The relationship was not known publicly[/*] until after the funeral.

It was made known to LE well before the funeral.

publicly[/*] [/*]
Define 'well before the funeral'.

Did Steve Money call LE and tell them they were all close friends like he told NBC17?

And LE had this info before the funeral but didn't bother to include it as probable cause until the 11/30 warrant?

Please.

alter ego

05-01-2008, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by Allison

I don't know when exactly LF and MF found out. I do know LE knew within the first 24 hours.

Remember, LE questioned several people before JY ever returned to Raleigh simply because the first 24 hours of a homicide investigation are the most important.

Le was told a lot of things by friends while they waited on JY.

There was a reason for LE supposed hostile attitude toward JY when he arrived in Raleigh. They had "learned" things and couldn't get in touch with Jason.

IMO [/*]

Sorry, but there is no way you know any such thing.

LE's hostile attitude toward Jason was because of what they 'learned'? No, their hostile attitude was because of the crime scene and their inability to be professionals.

Of all these things LE supposedly 'learned' from 'friends' and only Witness A and Witness * have a mention in any of the SW's.

Kat4Eagles

05-01-2008, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

I don't believe LE gave the info to LF, I think it was the other way around. And LE would have immediately given the info to Jason's friends and family in order to divide and conquer. I think they also would have immediately questioned MM about it because she would be considered a suspect. Evidently LE had their own doubts about the validity of the information and decided to puruse it with a s/w. We've heard nothing since that search warrant. I still believe we've heard nothing more because they found nothing.

The early days of this investigation were laced with LE ineptitude but I don't believe they were totally inept. [/*]

So, whoever paid for the funeral was in charge of everything and got to make all the decisions, right?

Like open casket vs. a closed one.

I guess I was not here back then when those things were posted

And, I guess if Jason had wanted anything different, he was left out?

Gosh, I wonder if even now, if the Youngs were to send flowers to the cemetary, the Fishers would send them back, take them off, and throw them away, that kind of thing?

Sounds like there could be a lot of revenge involved.

Maybe. until things settle, it is best C ,is removed from it all.
At least when she sees her grandfather, there is not all that tension that kids pick up on.

Which reminds me, some posters thought Jason was keeping C away from LF and MF so she didn't tell what she knew from that nite, yet, Jason has no problem letting her see AF.
Makes no sense, whatsoever.
:shrug:

Kat

.

alter ego

05-01-2008, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

-snip-

Which reminds me, some posters thought Jason was keeping C away from LF and MF so she didn't tell what she knew from that nite, yet, Jason has no problem letting her see AF.
Makes no sense, whatsoever.
:shrug:

Kat

. [/*]

Of course it makes no sense. C was with Meredith until Jason got back in town. With Meredith and LE to an extent. To say that C is being kept away from the Fisher's so she won't tell what happened is ridiculous.

If she had anything to say, she would have already said it.

Cardinal

05-01-2008, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
I think both sets of parents should be off topic. Michelle and jason`s parents are all Innocent older people who have been drawn in a tragedy that they had and have absolutely nothing to do with, Michelle`s death.
You want to drag Jason or Meredith through,fine. He is the spouse and Meredith found her sisters body,but leave the parents OUT of it...MOO and it does not count for much. [/*]

I agree, Hi-Cycle, and I hope others will respect your suggestion. None of the parents can even remotely be considered suspects in this murder, and I'm sure all of them are acting in what they believe to be the best interests of their children.

Bashing any of them is unwarranted, IMHO.

Cardinal

05-01-2008, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

I don't believe LE gave the info to LF, I think it was the other way around. ~snipped~ [/*]

In order for LF to have given LE the information she would have to have known it. The only way possible, imo, she could have known it would be if Michelle told her.

Which would mean that Michelle knew of the relationship between Jason and MM.

Is that what you think?

annalyzer

05-01-2008, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
snip~

So, whoever paid for the funeral was in charge of everything and got to make all the decisions, right?

[/*]

Correct. But as Michelle's next of kin Jason could have made the funeral arrangements and made all the decisions. Maybe he was just too overwhelmed or in grief (or faking it if he's the killer) to deal with it and LF said she'd take care of it. Maybe LF was just a take charge type of person and Jason just let her take charge again. Whoever made the arrangements would be held responsible for payment but that person isn't necessarily the one that pays it. Lots of times family members and friends will chip in to pay for a funeral if money is tight. I just don't see that being the issue in this case. Maybe LF initially paid for the funeral but expected Jason to pay her back. Jason and his family may have gotten so angry with LF when she announced at the funeral that Jason murdered her daughter that he decided he wasn't going to pay her back. Or maybe he never intended to pay her back.

Cardinal

05-01-2008, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

Correct. But as Michelle's next of kin Jason could have made the funeral arrangements and made all the decisions. Maybe he was just too overwhelmed or in grief (or faking it if he's the killer) to deal with it and LF said she'd take care of it. Maybe LF was just a take charge type of person and Jason just let her take charge again. Whoever made the arrangements would be held responsible for payment but that person isn't necessarily the one that pays it. Lots of times family members and friends will chip in to pay for a funeral if money is tight. I just don't see that being the issue in this case. Maybe LF initially paid for the funeral but expected Jason to pay her back. Jason and his family may have gotten so angry with LF when she announced at the funeral that Jason murdered her daughter that he decided he wasn't going to pay her back. Or maybe he never intended to pay her back. [/*]

Or maybe he doesn't have the money to pay her back. That's my take on the headstone, too, FWIW. I don't think Jason has the money.

That said, I highly doubt the issues between Jason and LF are about reimbursement for the funeral.

JMO

annalyzer

05-01-2008, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Or maybe he doesn't have the money to pay her back. That's my take on the headstone, too, FWIW. I don't think Jason has the money.

JMO [/*]

I'm sure her 401k would have more than covered her funeral and headstone. It's a matter of priority. To me a headstone is a first priority. To others it's a last.

annalyzer

05-01-2008, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by zed

He was too broke to pay for his own wife's funeral? That's a shock!

[/*]

You must have missed this part: "I just don't see that being the issue in this case." :read:

Cardinal

05-01-2008, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

I'm sure her 401k would have more than covered her funeral and headstone. It's a matter of priority. To me a headstone is a first priority. To others it's a last. [/*]

Maybe it would, but the funds from the 401(k) wouldn't have been available in the first few days. Funeral homes expect payment when services are rendered.

Besides, I'm not sure how much the 401(k) would actually be worth. I doubt Michelle contributed more than the amount necessary to obtain the company match. For the number of years she worked there, I estimate the 401(k) balance would be, at a max, $25,000.

The Birchleaf mortgage payments for the past 18 months probably exceed that.

JMO

annalyzer

05-01-2008, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Maybe it would, but the funds from the 401(k) wouldn't have been available in the first few days. Funeral homes expect payment when services are rendered.

Besides, I'm not sure how much the 401(k) would actually be worth. I doubt Michelle contributed more than the amount necessary to obtain the company match. For the number of years she worked there, I estimate the 401(k) balance would be, at a max, $25,000.

The Birchleaf mortgage payments for the past 18 months probably exceed that.

JMO [/*]

The funeral home that took care of my stepfather waited months for payment, until I obtained guardianship of my mom and rec'd her pension death benefit and was able to pay for the funeral (and place a headstone). My stepbrother arranged for the funeral but I paid for it. And funerals and headstones aren't that expensive. My stepfathers was about $6500 and the headstone a few thousand. Sure they could run higher in other states but still her 401k should have covered it.

Cardinal

05-01-2008, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

The funeral home that took care of my stepfather waited months for payment, until I obtained guardianship of my mom and rec'd her pension death benefit and was able to pay for the funeral (and place a headstone). My stepbrother arranged for the funeral but I paid for it. And funerals and headstones aren't that expensive. My stepfathers was about $6500 and the headstone a few thousand. Sure they could run higher in other states but still her 401k should have covered it. [/*]

That funeral home was very understanding. I haven't had that experience with them. IME, they hand you the bill along with the guestbook and the thank you notes.

Even so, I still don't think reimbursement for the funeral is the issue between Jason and LF.

JMO

annalyzer

05-01-2008, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

That funeral home was very understanding. [/*]

Thank goodness. I could have shafted my a hole stepbrother and left him stuck with the bill but I opted to do what was right.

Cardinal

05-01-2008, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

Thank goodness. I could have shafted my a hole stepbrother and left him stuck with the bill but I opted to do what was right. [/*]

Taking the high road will give you comfort in later years. :biggrin:

Cardinal

05-01-2008, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by agathachristie

Tough to take the high road when you play both sides.
Just sayin'....and JMHO Aggie;) [/*]

Is that directed at me, or at annalyzer?

Cardinal

05-01-2008, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by agathachristie

Not at all directed at you, Cardinal.;) [/*]

I'm glad to hear that. I would hate to think that keeping an open mind, and being willing to consider all sides, would be considered playing both sides. By either of us.

5swab5

05-01-2008, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

((snipp))

Gosh, I wonder if even now, if the Youngs were to send flowers to the cemetary, the Fishers would send them back, take them off, and throw them away, that kind of thing?

Sounds like there could be a lot of revenge involved.

((snip))

Kat
. [/*]

Unbelievable to even suggest such a thing...especially when you KNOW that it will warp into "Fact" by the end of the week.

The ONLY ones involved in this tragedy that have displayed such childish pettiness, are the YOUNGS, by returning Cassidy's presents. Do you not see pure-T evil in that? I do!

JMO

Swabby

Cardinal

05-01-2008, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by agathachristie

Cardinal, I have followed this case from very early on. I've gone on record stating that, based on what we know thus far, that the husband committed this heinous crime.

If you think that keeping an open mind is buying into the disgusting maligning of MY's sister , then I do not have an open mind .

Moo Aggie [/*]

I've followed this case for a very long while, too. I lurked on the Michelle Young board for quite some time, without posting, because of the acrimony. I don't find that appealing.

For the record, I don't buy into the disgusting maligning of ANYONE as being acceptable. There are posters on both "sides" of this case who resort to exactly that, and I don't participate.

I am here because this case interests me, and because I continue to hope that somehow, some day, there will be justice for Michelle Young.

I have stated before, and I will state again, that, IMO, most of what is known points to Jason Young, BUT I am willing to be wrong. What I am NOT willing to be, is so firmly entrenched on either "side" that my mind is closed.

FWIW

5swab5

05-01-2008, 08:23 PM

annalyzer

05-01-2008, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by agathachristie

Tough to take the high road when you play both sides.
Just sayin'....and JMHO Aggie;) [/*]

I look at both sides. At this point everyone is suspect, including Meredith Fisher. I've tried to listen to that 911 call in the mind that MF is completely innocent and it still comes out hinky. Just sayin......

annalyzer

05-01-2008, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by 5swab5

I agree Aggie,

To look at this tragedy and blatantly ignore ALL that points to Jason and create rumors to point elsewhere, are not indicative of an open mind.

Just as in most cases, the answers are all right there, unless one chooses to ignore them.

MOO

Swabby [/*]

Unlike agatha I hope you weren't referring to me because I've never ignored anything that points to Jason and I've never created any rumors about anyone.

Breakingnews

05-01-2008, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

I look at both sides. At this point everyone is suspect, including Meredith Fisher. I've tried to listen to that 911 call in the mind that MF is completely innocent and it still comes out hinky. Just sayin...... [/*]

Didn't the prosecution use Cynthia Sommer's 911 call as part of their case against her? Then you have a host of convicted murderers sobbing and acting hysterical in their 911 calls.

annalyzer

05-01-2008, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

Didn't the prosecution use Cynthia Sommer's 911 call as part of their case against her? Then you have a host of convicted murderers sobbing and acting hysterical in their 911 calls. [/*]

I can imagine the reaction to that 911 call if it were Meredith on trial. :eek:

Barbara2

05-01-2008, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

Didn't the prosecution use Cynthia Sommer's 911 call as part of their case against her? Then you have a host of convicted murderers sobbing and acting hysterical in their 911 calls. [/*]

The 911 call of Michael Peterson is a prime example. THAT's how a person sounds when they are trying to fake the hysteria in a traumatic situation. IMO

Breakingnews

05-01-2008, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

I can imagine the reaction to that 911 call if it were Meredith on trial. :eek: [/*]

She sounds in shock and disbelief.

If she had this elaborate plot to murder her sister, I'd think she would plenty of time to create that screaming & hollering reaction that certain people expect.

alter ego

05-01-2008, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by 5swab5

Unbelievable to even suggest such a thing...especially when you KNOW that it will warp into "Fact" by the end of the week.

The ONLY ones involved in this tragedy that have displayed such childish pettiness, are the YOUNGS, by returning Cassidy's presents. Do you not see pure-T evil in that? I do!

JMO

Swabby [/*]Is there any proof to this claim that the Youngs returned C's presents?

Or is this another rumor that warped into "fact"?

Or is it just a vicious lie?

alter ego

05-01-2008, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

The 911 call of Michael Peterson is a prime example. THAT's how a person sounds when they are trying to fake the hysteria in a traumatic situation. IMO [/*]No, that's just how Michael Peterson sounded.

awareness

05-01-2008, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ
http://www.statiaphotography.com/memorial2/default.htm

Why would AF have been allowed at the Memorial and not the funeral? Makes NO sense to me.

I am suspecting another wild rumor on the part of Team JII. [/*]

Thanks for the link. I notice there's a headstone plaque near the base of the tree. Which leads me to think its not the Fischer's who are preventing one being placed on Michelle's grave.

JMO/IMO

Breakingnews

05-01-2008, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
No, that's just how Michael Peterson sounded. [/*]

Received a 911 call at 2:40 a.m. on Dec. 9, 2001.
Testified the caller, later identified as Michael Peterson, said his wife fell down 15 to 20 steps and was unconscious but breathing.
Described Michael Peterson as crying and "hysterical" during the call, which was abruptly disconnected.

Received the second 911 call placed by Michael Peterson at 2:40 a.m. on Dec, 9, 2001.
Testified he was hysterical on the phone, but conceded she would have no way of knowing if Peterson faked his hysteria.
A recording of the call was played for the jury, sparking a tearful reaction from the defendant and the Petersons' children in the courtroom.
http://www.courttv.com/trials/novelist/witnesses-sta.html

Kat4Eagles

05-01-2008, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by awareness

Thanks for the link. I notice there's a headstone plaque near the base of the tree. Which leads me to think its not the Fischer's who are preventing one being placed on Michelle's grave.

JMO/IMO [/*]

I noticed there is not one single pic of LF and AF together.

I think someday we will hear all the reasons why...

Kat

Barbara2

05-01-2008, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

Received a 911 call at 2:40 a.m. on Dec. 9, 2001.
Testified the caller, later identified as Michael Peterson, said his wife fell down 15 to 20 steps and was unconscious but breathing.
Described Michael Peterson as crying and "hysterical" during the call, which was abruptly disconnected.

Received the second 911 call placed by Michael Peterson at 2:40 a.m. on Dec, 9, 2001.
Testified he was hysterical on the phone, but conceded she would have no way of knowing if Peterson faked his hysteria.
A recording of the call was played for the jury, sparking a tearful reaction from the defendant and the Petersons' children in the courtroom.
http://www.courttv.com/trials/novelist/witnesses-sta.html [/*]

Thank you. That's exactly what I was referring to.

annalyzer

05-01-2008, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

I could question why Pat Young never married Gerald until the last kid turned 18. Her financial bennies were more important than being legally married? But you know what, it's none of my business and it has nothing to do with Michelle's murder. [/*]

And yet you brought it up. :rolleyes:

Breakingnews

05-01-2008, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

And yet you brought it up. :rolleyes: [/*]

Yeah I sure did.

alter ego

05-01-2008, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by zed

Seems people are a little more preoccupied with the rights of bugs than the rights of Michelle. [/*]Oh, is that a problem, because it's not just any bugs.

Ladybugs.

You know, the bugs that Michelle loved. The same bugs that help MF cope.

Not sure how being concerned with the rights of something Michelle loved is being "preoccupied" more with their rights than Michelle's. :shrug:

Kat4Eagles

05-01-2008, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

Why? What's your deal with them?

Not everyone has an amicable split. Plenty of people don't want anything to do with their ex, even years later. They appear to have united to some degree since Michelle's murder.

I could question why Pat Young never married Gerald until the last kid turned 18. Her financial bennies were more important than being legally married? But you know what, it's none of my business and it has nothing to do with Michelle's murder. Just like Linda & Alan's divorce.

IMO [/*]

I can wait for it all to come out.
Maybe, just maybe, do you think it might be the reason Michelle was seeing a therapist?

Kat

Breakingnews

05-01-2008, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by june1943

What bearing does PYM have on this conversation? Was this just another attempt to smear Jason's family? You might try checking your information if that's the case. Try and get it right. [/*]

What's Linda and Alan's relationship have to do with Michelle's murder?

Check my information? LOL, this from the remote funeral viewer.

imo

alter ego

05-01-2008, 10:01 PM

Cardinal

05-01-2008, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by agathachristie

Nor do I find the acrimony appealing.
But I won't remain silent when malicious smears are posted about MY's sister , nor her mother, as per Kat all day yesterday.
I have not trashed the husband, either, despite the fact I believe he is guilty.
I am here because this case interests me and I am hoping for justice, as well.
Unlike you , I am firmly entrenched in my beliefs.
Just like you , I am willing to accept if I am wrong.

MOO Aggie [/*]

Fair enough, and thank you for hearing me.

Breakingnews

05-01-2008, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I can wait for it all to come out.
Maybe, just maybe, do you think it might be the reason Michelle was seeing a therapist?

Kat [/*]

No. I believe her problem resided at 5108 Birchleaf.

IMO

Breakingnews

05-01-2008, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

Thanks for proving my point. [/*]

YW.

I might have some time tomorrow to post some more murderers that sobbed and were hysterical in their 911 calls. I can just make a list of the names because it would probably be lengthy.

alter ego

05-01-2008, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I can wait for it all to come out.
Maybe, just maybe, do you think it might be the reason Michelle was seeing a therapist?

Kat [/*]Maybe so.

alter ego

05-01-2008, 10:10 PM

Cardinal

05-01-2008, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I can wait for it all to come out.
Maybe, just maybe, do you think it might be the reason Michelle was seeing a therapist?

Kat [/*]

It probably played into it. The marriages of children of divorced parents are very much impacted by their parents' divorce, imo. I believe Michelle was seeing a therapist about her own marriage. And I believe her parents' marriage/divorce was probably a factor in her feelings about her own marriage.

JMO

Breakingnews

05-01-2008, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

Why? None will sound like Michael Peterson, only he sounds like himself :shrug: [/*]

Yep, glad you agree that 911 demeanor doesn't necessarily point to guilt.

Barbara2

05-01-2008, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

Yep, glad you agree that 911 demeanor doesn't necessarily point to guilt. [/*]

:beer:

alter ego

05-01-2008, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

Yep, glad you agree that 911 demeanor doesn't necessarily point to guilt. [/*]Never said it did :confused:

Talking to LE doesn't necessarily point to innocence. Do you agree with that?

alter ego

05-01-2008, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

It probably played into it. The marriages of children of divorced parents are very much impacted by their parents' divorce, imo. I believe Michelle was seeing a therapist about her own marriage. And I believe her parents' marriage/divorce was probably a factor in her feelings about her own marriage.

JMO [/*]I don't think she would seek out a stranger to discuss problems in her marriage. She had a strong network of friends and family.

Breakingnews

05-01-2008, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
Never said it did :confused:

Talking to LE doesn't necessarily point to innocence. Do you agree with that? [/*]

Sure do. Lots of criminals are blabber mouths or think they are smarter than LE.

Barbara2

05-01-2008, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
I don't think she would seek out a stranger to discuss problems in her marriage. She had a strong network of friends and family. [/*]

Based on that logic she wouldn't seek out a stranger to discuss anything. IMO

Barbara2

05-01-2008, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

I didn't follow that case...

Did M. Peterson tell the 911 operator he saw footprints all over the house? Or report the condition of the dog rather than the bludgeoned victim? Or hesitate to touch the victim to see if she was breathing? Just curious.... [/*]

Since he was guilty, he didn't do anything a normal person would do. He faked hysteria and hung up on the 911 operator because he didn't want to talk to anyone who would deviate from his script. IMO

Breakingnews

05-01-2008, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
I don't think she would seek out a stranger to discuss problems in her marriage. She had a strong network of friends and family. [/*]

What if she didn't agree with family and friends' advice? Or knew what family and friends' opinion would be? Wouldn't it be logical to seek some answers from a professional?

We don't know what her comfort level of sharing was with other people in her life.

annalyzer

05-01-2008, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

YW.

I might have some time tomorrow to post some more murderers that sobbed and were hysterical in their 911 calls. I can just make a list of the names because it would probably be lengthy. [/*]

That's just a few known murderers you're referring to. What about the thousands upon thousands of 911 calls that we never hear? Surely you're not going to try and say that people don't cry, act hysterical and sob during their 911 calls after finding a loved one in a bloody heap? Otherwise I really don't see your point.