April 28, 29, 30th

[martha]

This really makes me think ml and cl had a plan. Maybe to leave togeather. She knew she was going to stay some where that night. I guess she thought if someone seen her car at the bus station they would think she had already gone. Maybe cl was going to stay with her that night or maybe not but she was. I think he was going to meet her where ever she was going later on. I think he told her he would be there by the time the baby was borned. When she went back to the house for him to take her to the motel tina came in and caught them. just guessing !!!jmho the only thing I do know is something went so terb wrong and ml and her baby is dead. so very sad. my heart is still breaking for this young lady and her baby:rose:

[Kim]

Originally posted by martha
This really makes me think ml and cl had a plan. Maybe to leave togeather. She knew she was going to stay some where that night. I guess she thought if someone seen her car at the bus station they would think she had already gone. Maybe cl was going to stay with her that night or maybe not but she was. I think he was going to meet her where ever she was going later on. I think he told her he would be there by the time the baby was borned. When she went back to the house for him to take her to the motel tina came in and caught them. just guessing !!!jmho the only thing I do know is something went so terb wrong and ml and her baby is dead. so very sad. my heart is still breaking for this young lady and her baby:rose: [/*]
Good morning.....I agree with your theory.:beer:

[caejde]

Originally posted by Babes


Have you seen some post and stories of some women who brought rape charges to their "superiors" in the Military? If the Military is perfect in handling these cases then we will not see these stories IMO.

What's wrong if the DOD check the process of the Military in handling rape charges? [/*]

I know I am late in responding with this but I haven't been around much. Not one entity is perfect when it comes to handling and preventing rape. You will never stop hearing about rape anywhere-unfortunate as that is. The military has their policies and procedures which is set by DOD and is the same branch to branch. We are given classes on sexual assault and there is even a sexual assault prevention month. But that isn't going to stop anyone from raping another. It's the same in the civilian world...you can't prevent it from happening. Here in Onslow Co. there was a police officer that was accused of rape and it wasn't prosecuted. The DA said they could prove sex took place but no rape and so no charges were filed.

[caejde]

Originally posted by martha
I don;t know what part Durham played in this but we may be sup when we find out. Is he in nc now ? :rose: [/*]

Durham isn't in NC. Currently, he is in Iraq.

[martha]

Originally posted by caejde


I know I am late in responding with this but I haven't been around much. Not one entity is perfect when it comes to handling and preventing rape. You will never stop hearing about rape anywhere-unfortunate as that is. The military has their policies and procedures which is set by DOD and is the same branch to branch. We are given classes on sexual assault and there is even a sexual assault prevention month. But that isn't going to stop anyone from raping another. It's the same in the civilian world...you can't prevent it from happening. Here in Onslow Co. there was a police officer that was accused of rape and it wasn't prosecuted. The DA said they could prove sex took place but no rape and so no charges were filed. [/*] ITA rape has and will be going on as long as the world stands. sometimes it is rape and sometimes it is not. I know in my heart the MC did what they were sup to do. From what I have read on this board I think there was not a rape that even happened. jmho why blame the MC for something that went on between to young people?:rose:

[martha]

Originally posted by caejde


Durham isn't in NC. Currently, he is in Iraq. [/*] Thanks caejde I thought I read somewhere that he had been sent to Iraq. I was looking at some pictures of our boys in Iraq and wish I had one of the boys address so I could write him. I know it is so hard on them to be away from their familys.:rose:

[caejde]

Originally posted by martha
Thanks caejde I thought I read somewhere that he had been sent to Iraq. I was looking at some pictures of our boys in Iraq and wish I had one of the boys address so I could write him. I know it is so hard on them to be away from their familys.:rose: [/*]

Check with your local USO and see if they have anything. Sometimes they collect donations for care packages. When my husband was there, his grandmother's church sent him cards and letters.

[martha]

Originally posted by caejde


Check with your local USO and see if they have anything. Sometimes they collect donations for care packages. When my husband was there, his grandmother's church sent him cards and letters. [/*]Thank honey that sounds like a good idea. for some reason when I was looking at the pictures I felt a real need to write some of them.:rose:

[Charlotte]

Originally posted by caejde


I know I am late in responding with this but I haven't been around much. Not one entity is perfect when it comes to handling and preventing rape. You will never stop hearing about rape anywhere-unfortunate as that is. The military has their policies and procedures which is set by DOD and is the same branch to branch. We are given classes on sexual assault and there is even a sexual assault prevention month. But that isn't going to stop anyone from raping another. It's the same in the civilian world...you can't prevent it from happening. Here in Onslow Co. there was a police officer that was accused of rape and it wasn't prosecuted. The DA said they could prove sex took place but no rape and so no charges were filed. [/*]

The point of the Turner investigation isn't the prevention of rape in the military (though that's a very important goal that the military strives for as well). It's the handling of the case once the accusation was made that is the focus of Turner's and the Lauterbach family's efforts.

I'm glad that enlisted personnel take classes on sexual assault, but that doesn't prevent rape from happening any more than D.A.R.E. classes in school prevent all drug & alcohol use by students from happening. Once a rape has occurred, or is said to have occurred, then the process from that point needs to protect the safety and well-being of the accuser as well as the rights of the accused. I think there are cases in the military where this doesn't happen as it should, just as there as cases in the civilian world where the process doesn't protect one party or the other as it should, despite written policies and guidelines in place for authorities to follow. The military is comprised of individuals who are capable of judgmental error, just as civilian LE is.

The month of April is National Sexual Assault Awareness and Prevention Month everywhere, recognized and observed every year by many organizations, groups and colleges -- it's not unique to the military, though the military does recognize and observe it, too.

http://www.marines.mil/news/messages/Pages/NATIONALSEXUALASSAULTAWARENESSANDPREVENTIONMONTH.a spx

Notice the last paragraph in the above link:

4. COMMANDERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO TAKE THIS TIME TO REINFORCE OUR STRONGEST WEAPONS IN COMBATING THIS TYPE OF CRIME: PREVENTION TRAINING; INCREASED AWARENESS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT ISSUES; PROPER AND DIGNIFIED CARE OF VICTIMS; AND ACCOUNTABILITY OF OFFENDERS. EVERY MARINE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PREVENTING SEXUAL ASSAULT BY BUILDING A CLIMATE OF RESPECT IN WHICH SUCH BEHAVIOR IS NOT TOLERATED.

Other than the prevention and awareness part, I'm not so sure that the MC at Camp Lejeune did all it could on the rest. If the MC consistently handles each and every case perfectly, there would be no need to "encourage" MC commanders to reinforce these very basic precepts. Why would any commanders need "encouragement" to do so? JMO

ETA: The site I quoted from allows the distribution of its material.

http://www.marines.mil/usmc/Pages/PrivacyPolicy.aspx

2. Information presented on this site is considered public information and may be distributed or copied. Use of appropriate byline/photo/image credits is requested.

[caejde]

Charlotte, while I respect your post, I can't agree with all of it. I know the sexual assault prevention isn't just for the military. I didn't know what month it was held in as last year it was in March. This is the time in which the safety briefings are given-and it's not just for enlisted personnel. In my unit, every safety briefing was for the entire command-enlisted and officer. And no the briefings don't prevent rape from happening because that is something that can't be prevented. But these classes are refresher courses that are given. They are given by civilian, local law enforcement and military personnel. (at least where I was at). And it goes into great detail about what is considered rape-ie a girl being too intoxicated and not being able to give full consent. And from everything that we know, I believe the command did everything they could when it came to Maria's allegations. The DA said he sat with them for several hours and he felt confident they didn't do anything wrong.

[cuppajoe]

Originally posted by caejde
Charlotte, while I respect your post, I can't agree with all of it. I know the sexual assault prevention isn't just for the military. I didn't know what month it was held in as last year it was in March. This is the time in which the safety briefings are given-and it's not just for enlisted personnel. In my unit, every safety briefing was for the entire command-enlisted and officer. And no the briefings don't prevent rape from happening because that is something that can't be prevented. But these classes are refresher courses that are given. They are given by civilian, local law enforcement and military personnel. (at least where I was at). And it goes into great detail about what is considered rape-ie a girl being too intoxicated and not being able to give full consent. And from everything that we know, I believe the command did everything they could when it came to Maria's allegations. The DA said he sat with them for several hours and he felt confident they didn't do anything wrong. [/*]

If the DA said that, I believe he was referring to the MC furnishing information when LE began handling the Missing Person case.

I believe he couldn't be referring to how the MC handled the alleged rape allegations. LE wasn't investigating that case. moo

[caejde]

Originally posted by cuppajoe


If the DA said that, I believe he was referring to the MC furnishing information when LE began handling the Missing Person case.

I believe he couldn't be referring to how the MC handled the alleged rape allegations. LE wasn't investigating that case. moo [/*]

Nope, he said he was on base discussing everything and he felt they did everything correctly based on the allegations that were brought up by Maria. I will find the video of it being said.

[caejde]

http://www.jdnews.com/video/index.php?bcpid=1156002469&bclid=1155200144&bctid=1375780280

Here is the video. It's on January 15 and he says he meets with NCIS and Marine Corps personnel regarding the allegations based on the rape allegations Maria brought forth.

[martha]

When ml went back and recanted and said it was not a rape the MC did not drop it then did they?:rose:

[strick10]

Originally posted by martha
When ml went back and recanted and said it was not a rape the MC did not drop it then did they?:rose: [/*]

No Martha they didn't drop the case. Based on the Feb due date the Naval Hospital had issued it would have been easy for NCIS to say that the pregancy wasn't a result of the rape furthering their lack of evidence. Could have been the end of the case, however, the command wanted to go forth with the Article 32 to ensure that there was absolutely no doubt that a rape did not occur. Now being that they were wanting the babies DNA leads me to believe that NCIS or the command believed both Maria and Cesar did not tell the truth. NCIS was going to find out for sure if there had in fact been any type of sexual relationship in May in which Maria may have not mentioned therefore throwing the credibility of both out the window. Rape allegations are a serious matter and I believe the MC was going to get down to the bottom of it.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by strick10


No Martha they didn't drop the case. Based on the Feb due date the Naval Hospital had issued it would have been easy for NCIS to say that the pregancy wasn't a result of the rape furthering their lack of evidence. Could have been the end of the case, however, the command wanted to go forth with the Article 32 to ensure that there was absolutely no doubt that a rape did not occur. Now being that they were wanting the babies DNA leads me to believe that NCIS or the command believed both Maria and Cesar did not tell the truth. NCIS was going to find out for sure if there had in fact been any type of sexual relationship in May in which Maria may have not mentioned therefore throwing the credibility of both out the window. Rape allegations are a serious matter and I believe the MC was going to get down to the bottom of it. [/*]

Very well stated strick, and I don't think their interest in doing so was limited to one party or supportive of Cesar. I believe their intent was to follow through as it should be.

Thanks for your input.

JMO.:patriot:

[martha]

Thank you sticky10 I did not think they droped the case. So the MC was doing what they were sup to do. I think down the road they will find out what was going on between ml and cl jmho:rose:

[martha]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Very well stated strick, and I don't think their interest in doing so was limited to one party or supportive of Cesar. I believe their intent was to follow through as it should be.

Thanks for your input.

JMO.:patriot: [/*] ITA with you.:rose:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by caejde


Nope, he said he was on base discussing everything and he felt they did everything correctly based on the allegations that were brought up by Maria. I will find the video of it being said. [/*]

Hudson was so uncomfortable with labeling Laurean a rapist that he even mentioned the false allegations made against the Duke Lacrosse case during one of his PCs and cautioned that Laurean was never charged or tried for this. He knows allegations are just that and that there must be substantiation and corroboration in a court of law to determine if these allegations were proven true or not.

Personally after the NiFong disaster I don't think many DAs would have pursued charges against Laurean simply because they had nothing to prove the allegations. All they had was a she/he said
case. They couldn't even prove a rape had taken place....no forensics......no nothing and I think Hudson was very mindful of that and was probably amazed that the MC actually had decided to proceed forward even with a very iffy case.

I agree wth Hudson. I think the MC/NCIS did do their jobs very well and took this very seriously and adhered to the rules.

imoo

[hinman]

Originally posted by martha
Thank you sticky10 I did not think they droped the case. So the MC was doing what they were sup to do. I think down the road they will find out what was going on between ml and cl jmho:rose: [/*]Morning Martha. I think that MC did do everything they were suppose to do. Now what Mary is trying to do is see if anything needs to be added to that process to make sure alleged rape victims remain safe.

I do not see a problem with that. I do not even see the big deal about using this case which might not of had a rape happen. By using this case they can see if any changes need to be made to the process of clearing some one of charges.

I personally feel that the case should be shut which it is not. We are going on a year and if there is no evidence of rape then the case needs to be closed, would that of prevented Maria's murder probably not, but there would not be all this speculation right now and CL would not of had to worry about being charged with a rape he did not commit. If they were going to continue to invesitgate for whatever reason maybe by letting both parties no wha tis going on with that investigation would of calm thigns down.

I have womdered often if CL was aware that they did not think he committed the alleged rape.

[strick10]

Originally posted by martha
Thank you sticky10 I did not think they droped the case. So the MC was doing what they were sup to do. I think down the road they will find out what was going on between ml and cl jmho:rose: [/*]

The MC did do what they were suppose to do in accordance with the rules and regulations set before them. I don't believe these were modified as the persons involved went on with the investigation/case. It has been stated by Lejeune and the Commandant of the MC that the appropriate steps were taken in accordance with the MCO's applicable to this issue. I don't understand what type of answer Mary and Turner are expecting from DOD since they are the entity that sets for these regulations. Yes DOD can look to see if the appropriate regulations were followed and I think they will find that they were. Yet I don't believe Mary nor Turner are going to accept this answer. I understand what Mary is trying to accomplish (Turner I believe has a different idea) and if it is found that there needs to be something else needs to be implemented then by gosh I hope DOD, SARPO and whomever carries forth with that change. Always room for improvement in everything we do. I don't like how Mary is trying to place the blame on the MC but she is entitled to free speech. I just hope that Marias memory is not embarrassed by perhaps the entire story coming out and made public.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Very well stated strick, and I don't think their interest in doing so was limited to one party or supportive of Cesar. I believe their intent was to follow through as it should be.

Thanks for your input.

JMO.:patriot: [/*]

I don't think so either.

If the MC needs to review their policies and procedures, then ALL military branches need to do so likewise.

jmoo


You have mail.

[strick10]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I don't think so either.

If the MC needs to review their policies and procedures, then ALL military branches need to do so likewise.

jmoo


You have mail. [/*]

Well since DOD is suppose to be investigating this issue I'm sure if anything is added to the regs it'll be made across the board and I'm sure they will ensure that both the accussed and accusser will receive fair treatment. Yes there are rapes in the military but there are also false rape allegations and you just can't treat an accussed as a guilty party from the get go. Unless of course there is physical evidence and witnesses that prove that the rape occurred then that person would be place in pre-trial confinment.

[caejde]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Hudson was so uncomfortable with labeling Laurean a rapist that he even mentioned the false allegations made against the Duke Lacrosse case during one of his PCs and cautioned that Laurean was never charged or tried for this. He knows allegations are just that and that there must be substantiation and corroboration in a court of law to determine if these allegations were proven true or not.

Personally after the NiFong disaster I don't think many DAs would have pursued charges against Laurean simply because they had nothing to prove the allegations. All they had was a she/he said
case. They couldn't even prove a rape had taken place....no forensics......no nothing and I think Hudson was very mindful of that and was probably amazed that the MC actually had decided to proceed forward even with a very iffy case.

I agree wth Hudson. I think the MC/NCIS did do their jobs very well and took this very seriously and adhered to the rules.

imoo [/*]

Even just recently our DA couldn't prosecute an alleged rape case. Was a former police officer being accused of rape. Said he could show sex but no rape.

[caejde]

Originally posted by strick10


Well since DOD is suppose to be investigating this issue I'm sure if anything is added to the regs it'll be made across the board and I'm sure they will ensure that both the accussed and accusser will receive fair treatment. Yes there are rapes in the military but there are also false rape allegations and you just can't treat an accussed as a guilty party from the get go. Unless of course there is physical evidence and witnesses that prove that the rape occurred then that person would be place in pre-trial confinment. [/*]

IA!

[cuppajoe]

Originally posted by caejde
http://www.jdnews.com/video/index.php?bcpid=1156002469&bclid=1155200144&bctid=1375780280

Here is the video. It's on January 15 and he says he meets with NCIS and Marine Corps personnel regarding the allegations based on the rape allegations Maria brought forth. [/*]


I couldn't find the video you are talking about on that link. Could you advise further?

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by strick10


Well since DOD is suppose to be investigating this issue I'm sure if anything is added to the regs it'll be made across the board and I'm sure they will ensure that both the accussed and accusser will receive fair treatment. Yes there are rapes in the military but there are also false rape allegations and you just can't treat an accussed as a guilty party from the get go. Unless of course there is physical evidence and witnesses that prove that the rape occurred then that person would be place in pre-trial confinment. [/*]

Sorry Strick, I went back and have re-read my post and I really messed that one up.

What I meant to say is if the DOD does their investigation and finds anything the MC did wrong (which I feel they followed protocol and procedures), needs to be changed, etc., then those changes need to be made across the board.

Sorry if I implied anything else as it wasn't my intent.

jmoo

[strick10]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Sorry Strick, I went back and have re-read my post and I really messed that one up.

What I meant to say is if the DOD does their investigation and finds anything the MC did wrong (which I feel they followed protocol and procedures), needs to be changed, etc., then those changes need to be made across the board.

Sorry if I implied anything else as it wasn't my intent.

jmoo [/*]

I read it like you meant it. I didn't see any implications of any type in your post whatsoever. I read it like you've just posted. No mess up nuttin, it's all good.

[byecats]

Originally posted by cuppajoe



I couldn't find the video you are talking about on that link. Could you advise further? [/*]

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1156002469/bclid1155200144/bctid1379196399
1:17 in "completely satistifed with their investigation"

[caejde]

Originally posted by byecats


http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1156002469/bclid1155200144/bctid1379196399
1:17 in "completely satistifed with their investigation" [/*]

Thank you for posting that link. I don't know why it posted the wrong video. I must have copied the wrong link and I apologize.

[cuppajoe]

Originally posted by byecats


http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1156002469/bclid1155200144/bctid1379196399
1:17 in "completely satistifed with their investigation" [/*]


Thank you for the link.

[cuppajoe]

I'm wondering how qualified the DA was in determining the rape allegations were handled properly by the MC? Is he familiar with all their guidelines and procedures?

I don't think two hours is enough time to bring him up to speed with reviewing the file and reading all the procedures, guidelines, and manuals regarding this.

Since he is not a military person dealing in this aspect of the case, I doubt his statement will hold much water with the congressman.

jmo of course.

[strick10]

Originally posted by cuppajoe
I'm wondering how qualified the DA was in determining the rape allegations were handled properly by the MC? Is he familiar with all their guidelines and procedures?

I don't think two hours is enough time to bring him up to speed with reviewing the file and reading all the procedures, guidelines, and manuals regarding this.

Since he is not a military person dealing in this aspect of the case, I doubt his statement will hold much water with the congressman.

jmo of course. [/*]

Well, IMO I don't think anything the Congressman is told is going to be believed by him. I think he wants the answers to be what he thinks they should be vice the truth.

You're right 2 hours is not enough time to review all the orders etc. but I'd have to think that certain procedures are pretty similar to the civilian procedures. I think the DA would have been able to determine in a short time if something was logically amiss.

[martha]

If they have a trial on the murder and charge cl with it will the rape case even come into play? I don;t know much about legal stuff so I am just asking? I don;t think there was a rape jmho :rose:

[strick10]

Originally posted by martha
If they have a trial on the murder and charge cl with it will the rape case even come into play? I don;t know much about legal stuff so I am just asking? I don;t think there was a rape jmho :rose: [/*]

I don't think the rape case will come into play martha. Though the rape allegation may have something to do with the end result it was an allegation. Nothing was ever proved and no charges were ever made. Different jurisdictions would also lead me to believe that the rape allegations could not be brought into the murder case, but like you I'm not a legal eagle so I don't know.

I think the rape case is a closed case now. They couldn't prove anything then and now with Maria gone they can't move forward with the case. I believe the Commandants response was that the case had been closed. IMO

[mini-me]

Was just reading at onslowcrime blogs under maria's itinerary. Don't know how to supply the link for it if someone please do. some interesting information there.

[martha]

Thank you Stick10 I read so much here that I tend to forget a lot ha wanted to get something straight in my mind in case they get cl back and have a trial. :rose:

[martha]

Originally posted by Kim

Good morning.....I agree with your theory.:beer: [/*] Hi Kim been missing you. come back and post :rose:

[Kim]

Originally posted by martha
Hi Kim been missing you. come back and post :rose: [/*]
Thank you Martha! How sweet.
I dont have much to say I mostly peep & post in between tasks here at home.Ill surely have something to say once Cesar tells his story (I hope).TC

[cuppajoe]

Originally posted by strick10


Well, IMO I don't think anything the Congressman is told is going to be believed by him. I think he wants the answers to be what he thinks they should be vice the truth.

You're right 2 hours is not enough time to review all the orders etc. but I'd have to think that certain procedures are pretty similar to the civilian procedures. I think the DA would have been able to determine in a short time if something was logically amiss. [/*]

You could be right, but I don't think it hurts for congress to check out what happened or didn't happen. It appears there are more congressmen to be involved then just Turner. Be that as it may, if the MC did nothing wrong, they have nothing to worry about.

There were inconsistencies between the answers the military gave to the congressman and the press conference they had.

There may be some changes needed, but at this time it hasn't been determined. It will be interesting to see what comes of the congressman's inquiry.

I just don't think a civilian DA can determine for sure if anything was amiss with just a two hour visit.

jmo of course.

[strick10]

Originally posted by cuppajoe


You could be right, but I don't think it hurts for congress to check out what happened or didn't happen. It appears there are more congressmen to be involved then just Turner. Be that as it may, if the MC did nothing wrong, they have nothing to worry about.

There were inconsistencies between the answers the military gave to the congressman and the press conference they had.

There may be some changes needed, but at this time it hasn't been determined. It will be interesting to see what comes of the congressman's inquiry.

I just don't think a civilian DA can determine for sure if anything was amiss with just a two hour visit.

jmo of course. [/*]

No there is nothing wrong w/ DoD looking at their own procedures that were conducted during the alleged rape case. I'm sure the MC will be found to have followed the regulations they are required to follow. They can not and did not deviate from those regs. Now if they need to be revised then it's up to DoD to do such as they are the ones that direct these procedures.

What gets me is that Turner is on a witch hunt and trying to find blame with the MC for Marias death. In my eyes he's using Marias death. What happens when DoD comes out and says that yes the MC followed procedures that were set forth before them and that they, meaning DoD, needs to re-look the orders. Will the blame be placed on DoD? Will that pacify Turner, I don't think so. What if the MC or DoD decides to release every detail regarding the case and it is proven that false allegations were made and that there was in fact an affair. Would Maria want that formally publized? There are ways to accomplish changes with tact and the way Turner is going about it publicly is exploitation of both Mary and Maria IMO. They want the MC to admit that they were wrong and that just isn't the case. What in the world does Christinas entry to active duty have to do with the alleged rape? Nothing. Turner is hunting.

If you would kindly refresh my memory on the inconsistancies between the press release and the Commandants reponse I'd appreciate it.

[caejde]

Dewey Hudson is a career prosecutor. From what he said in that video, he looked at the allegations and said as a career prosecutor he wouldn't have been able to bring charges either. So, now he may not be familiar with all the rules and regs but it doesn't take that long to read the MCO on sexual assault and to know the do's/don'ts. And as he said he couldn't say what all he found out but he felt satisfied that based on what he saw-which was everything they had from the day the allegation was made up until the day he went there-that everything was done right. And as I posted earlier, Hudson just had to let a police officer go that was accused of rape. There was proof of sex but no proof of rape.

[caejde]

Originally posted by strick10


No there is nothing wrong w/ DoD looking at their own procedures that were conducted during the alleged rape case. I'm sure the MC will be found to have followed the regulations they are required to follow. They can not and did not deviate from those regs. Now if they need to be revised then it's up to DoD to do such as they are the ones that direct these procedures.

What gets me is that Turner is on a witch hunt and trying to find blame with the MC for Marias death. In my eyes he's using Marias death. What happens when DoD comes out and says that yes the MC followed procedures that were set forth before them and that they, meaning DoD, needs to re-look the orders. Will the blame be placed on DoD? Will that pacify Turner, I don't think so. What if the MC or DoD decides to release every detail regarding the case and it is proven that false allegations were made and that there was in fact an affair. Would Maria want that formally publized? There are ways to accomplish changes with tact and the way Turner is going about it publicly is exploitation of both Mary and Maria IMO. They want the MC to admit that they were wrong and that just isn't the case. What in the world does Christinas entry to active duty have to do with the alleged rape? Nothing. Turner is hunting.

If you would kindly refresh my memory on the inconsistancies between the press release and the Commandants reponse I'd appreciate it. [/*]

Strick, I personally didnt' see any inconsistencies. I mean unless if you want to count where in the press conference they said she readjusted her statement to say the baby wasn't a product of rape and in the letter to the Congressman they said she made the statement that the baby wasn't even his. And if I'm not mistaken, the reason the presser was late coming on is because they were talking to her family and letting them know things that would be said. Maybe that is something the family didn't want to be released at that time. Or maybe it's something the Corps chose not to release because it could be seen as a negative thing for Maria. Other than that, I don't really see anything else.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


No there is nothing wrong w/ DoD looking at their own procedures that were conducted during the alleged rape case. I'm sure the MC will be found to have followed the regulations they are required to follow. They can not and did not deviate from those regs. Now if they need to be revised then it's up to DoD to do such as they are the ones that direct these procedures.

What gets me is that Turner is on a witch hunt and trying to find blame with the MC for Maria's death. In my eyes he's using Maria's death. What happens when DoD comes out and says that yes the MC followed procedures that were set forth before them and that they, meaning DoD, needs to re-look the orders. Will the blame be placed on DoD? Will that pacify Turner, I don't think so. What if the MC or DoD decides to release every detail regarding the case and it is proven that false allegations were made and that there was in fact an affair. Would Maria want that formally publicized? There are ways to accomplish changes with tact and the way Turner is going about it publicly is exploitation of both Mary and Maria IMO. They want the MC to admit that they were wrong and that just isn't the case. What in the world does Christina's entry to active duty have to do with the alleged rape? Nothing. Turner is hunting.

If you would kindly refresh my memory on the inconsistencies between the press release and the Commandants response I'd appreciate it. [/*]

My problem with Turner was the way he came out of the gate with all of this. Right off the bat he accused the Marine Corps of wrongdoing without one shred of evidence to support it. He freely released to the media HIS questions to the Marine Corps but when he was interviewed about their answers, that he didn't like, he did not disclosed what those answers were so that the public could decide for themselves.

My grandmother always said "be careful what you ask for" and IMOO this is one case that may just blow up in Turner's face. If the Congressman keeps pushing the DOD or the Marine Corps they aren't just going to sit there like cowards and take it. Turner better hope they do not reveal any additional information about the investigation. I have a feeling they are in for some shocking revelations that they may have wanted to keep confidential.

He reminds me so much of other politicians who never makes a move until a high profile case comes out in their state and then......yep here they come.

imoo

[IvySterling]

It was sure nice to see a new thread had been started and that some are continuing to discuss here.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by IvySterling
It was sure nice to see a new thread had been started and that some are continuing to discuss here. [/*]

Evening all...I've been swamped with not much time to post. I'm trying to get my work all done so that when the documents are released I'll have some free time.

I did want to point out that Dewey Hudson has been DA here for several years and probably has a good idea of how military justice works. I doubt the Congressman cares about his opinion on the rape investigation, but if Dewey says he is satisfied, then he is satisfied.

jmo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by marinewife5


Evening all...I've been swamped with not much time to post. I'm trying to get my work all done so that when the documents are released I'll have some free time.

I did want to point out that Dewey Hudson has been DA here for several years and probably has a good idea of how military justice works. I doubt the Congressman cares about his opinion on the rape investigation, but if Dewey says he is satisfied, then he is satisfied.

jmo [/*]
Good to see you mw5, get all caught up kid, we'll need your input when the docs are released!

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Good to see you mw5, get all caught up kid, we'll need your input when the docs are released! [/*]

over 200 pages...don't be surprised if my imput is "duhhhh" LOL

I sooo hope that CL is back stateside soon. It seems to be dragging worse than he was on the run!

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by marinewife5


over 200 pages...don't be surprised if my imput is "duhhhh" LOL

I sooo hope that CL is back stateside soon. It seems to be dragging worse than he was on the run! [/*]
There's nothing any of us here to do but wait. Maybe someone will come forward before Cesar returns and spill at least one frijol :)

[sunstar]

Originally posted by caejde


Durham isn't in NC. Currently, he is in Iraq. [/*]
God bless him. :patriot:

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


My problem with Turner was the way he came out of the gate with all of this. Right off the bat he accused the Marine Corps of wrongdoing without one shred of evidence to support it. He freely released to the media HIS questions to the Marine Corps but when he was interviewed about their answers, that he didn't like, he did not disclosed what those answers were so that the public could decide for themselves.

My grandmother always said "be careful what you ask for" and IMOO this is one case that may just blow up in Turner's face. If the Congressman keeps pushing the DOD or the Marine Corps they aren't just going to sit there like cowards and take it. Turner better hope they do not reveal any additional information about the investigation. I have a feeling they are in for some shocking revelations that they may have wanted to keep confidential.

He reminds me so much of other politicians who never makes a move until a high profile case comes out in their state and then......yep here they come.

imoo [/*]

It may get to the point that the MC says "forget about decency" and release more than Turner bargained for. Dang, Turner shot down the Commandant, the highest rankiing person in the Marine Corps.

[strick10]

I'm out. You all have a good one.

[martha]

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE qiite on this board this morning hope everyone is ok. not much to talk about today tho. be back later to see if anything is new on cl and this case have a good day everyone:rose:

[GentleBreeze]

We need NEWS!

But.......

I have really been thinking about this since yesterday.

Now we know that LE gets somethings wrong in their initial search warrants/affidavits. One thing is they had suspicions of a kidnapping yet that had to be ruled out by now as no charges have been filed and we are going on 4 months now. And if we are to take Mary Lauterbach at her word she said she did not tell them that Maria was a compulsive liar yet LE had that impression and in their report which we saw a copy from far away on tv.

So what if Christina was under the impression that both trips made by Maria to Cesar's home happened on the 15th when they did not.... while Cesar's note means when she came back the second time it was in the evening of the 15th?

I am now under the impression that she first came there the 14th and he went with her to purchase the ticket but she came back in the evening of the 15th all hysterical saying her plans had fallen through. Could it be she couldn't leave then because she was in labor or thought she was? Were they both freaking out about that and her being in his home?

It just makes more sense to me because the very next day he is borrowing a shovel from his neighbor and also goes to Lowes, both of those things on the 16th. Imo, he knew he had to get her buried before returning to duty that Monday morning.

I wonder what time he borrowed the shovel and then what time he went to Lowes. I bet it was later in the afternoon of the 16th and the shovel was borrowed that morning.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by martha
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE qiite on this board this morning hope everyone is ok. not much to talk about today tho. be back later to see if anything is new on cl and this case have a good day everyone:rose: [/*]

Good Morning Martha!

Nice to see you.

imoo:seeya:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
We need NEWS!

But.......

I have really been thinking about this since yesterday.

Now we know that LE gets somethings wrong in their initial search warrants/affidavits. One thing is they had suspicions of a kidnapping yet that had to be ruled out by now as no charges have been filed and we are going on 4 months now. And if we are to take Mary Lauterbach at her word she said she did not tell them that Maria was a compulsive liar yet LE had that impression and in their report which we saw a copy from far away on tv.

So what if Christina was under the impression that both trips made by Maria to Cesar's home happened on the 15th when they did not.... while Cesar's note means when she came back the second time it was in the evening of the 15th?

I am now under the impression that she first came there the 14th and he went with her to purchase the ticket but she came back in the evening of the 15th all hysterical saying her plans had fallen through. Could it be she couldn't leave then because she was in labor or thought she was? Were they both freaking out about that and her being in his home?

It just makes more sense to me because the very next day he is borrowing a shovel from his neighbor and also goes to Lowes, both of those things on the 16th. Imo, he knew he had to get her buried before returning to duty that Monday morning.

I wonder what time he borrowed the shovel and then what time he went to Lowes. I bet it was later in the afternoon of the 16th and the shovel was borrowed that morning.

imoo [/*]

Good morning GB and Martha.

I would say that if the Shiffletts were correct in saying Christina was at work and she was working Saturday, it does sound like a possibility tome. It would all make more sense if it was Saturday. But then again, what is sensible about this case?

I think the idea of Maria being in the garage for any length of time would wreak of Christina having to know something so this might give him more time.

Also I thought we had a time of her ticket being Saturday AM, but noticed it's now the PM bus. :confused:

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Good morning GB and Martha.

I would say that if the Shiffletts were correct in saying Christina was at work and she was working Saturday, it does sound like a possibility tome. It would all make more sense if it was Saturday. But then again, what is sensible about this case?

I think the idea of Maria being in the garage for any length of time would wreak of Christina having to know something so this might give him more time.

Also I thought we had a time of her ticket being Saturday AM, but noticed it's now the PM bus. :confused:

jmo [/*]

Yes, she purchased the ticket to leave out around 5:30 pm on the 15th. And remember he said she came back and said her plans had fallen through. The only thing that I can surmise is she came back on the 15th knowing she would not be able to leave then and I can only think of one thing that would thwart those plans and that was Maria was having more labor pains than the day she talked to her mother about having them.

I think it freaked both of them out. She was hysterical and he knew no matter what was happening she had to leave there or Christina was going to catch them both. It would also explain why he said she was acting irrational and not like the Maria he knew but he may have tried to help her and that is why her lower clothes are missing because she thought she was having the baby right then which may not have been the truth but at her young age and not having a child before she may have thought she was. We know some women tend to rage when they are in labor and can be quite vocal against the man........maybe she screamed at him and told him he had caused all of this and that is when the anger spilled over like molten lava OR someone interupted the entire dire situation when they walked in to find this going on.

imoo

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


My problem with Turner was the way he came out of the gate with all of this. Right off the bat he accused the Marine Corps of wrongdoing without one shred of evidence to support it. He freely released to the media HIS questions to the Marine Corps but when he was interviewed about their answers, that he didn't like, he did not disclosed what those answers were so that the public could decide for themselves.

My grandmother always said "be careful what you ask for" and IMOO this is one case that may just blow up in Turner's face. If the Congressman keeps pushing the DOD or the Marine Corps they aren't just going to sit there like cowards and take it. Turner better hope they do not reveal any additional information about the investigation. I have a feeling they are in for some shocking revelations that they may have wanted to keep confidential.

He reminds me so much of other politicians who never makes a move until a high profile case comes out in their state and then......yep here they come.

imoo [/*]

Funny you should mention what your grandmother used to say. This whole situation reminds me of something my grandpa used to tell us: don't hit a rattlesnake unless you can kill it.

This "investigation" by Turner is a pit full of rattlesnakes, IMO. You are absolutely correct, they may get more than they bargained for in terms of unpleasant information.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Yes, she purchased the ticket to leave out around 5:30 pm on the 15th. And remember he said she came back and said her plans had fallen through. The only thing that I can surmise is she came back on the 15th knowing she would not be able to leave then and I can only think of one thing that would thwart those plans and that was Maria was having more labor pains than the day she talked to her mother about having them.

I think it freaked both of them out. She was hysterical and he knew no matter what was happening she had to leave there or Christina was going to catch them both. It would also explain why he said she was acting irrational and not like the Maria he knew but he may have tried to help her and that is why her lower clothes are missing because she thought she was having the baby right then which may not have been the truth but at her young age and not having a child before she may have thought she was. We know some women tend to rage when they are in labor and can be quite vocal against the man........maybe she screamed at him and told him he had caused all of this and that is when the anger spilled over like molten lava OR someone interupted the entire dire situation when they walked in to find this going on.

imoo [/*]

This sounds like a very plausible scenario to me GB. I had the idea of water breaking on the brain last week and wondered if that happened how fast it would speed labor up????

I am leaning that way at this point and wondering what happened to make it all go crazy to a point of murder. :(

jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Marcia3


Funny you should mention what your grandmother used to say. This whole situation reminds me of something my grandpa used to tell us: don't hit a rattlesnake unless you can kill it.

This "investigation" by Turner is a pit full of rattlesnakes, IMO. You are absolutely correct, they may get more than they bargained for in terms of unpleasant information. [/*]

:o I think I've heard that one before too Marcia and it's a good analogy. JMO.

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


:o I think I've heard that one before too Marcia and it's a good analogy. JMO. [/*]

Did you know my grandpa? :D

:seeya:

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Yes, she purchased the ticket to leave out around 5:30 pm on the 15th. And remember he said she came back and said her plans had fallen through. The only thing that I can surmise is she came back on the 15th knowing she would not be able to leave then and I can only think of one thing that would thwart those plans and that was Maria was having more labor pains than the day she talked to her mother about having them.

I think it freaked both of them out. She was hysterical and he knew no matter what was happening she had to leave there or Christina was going to catch them both. It would also explain why he said she was acting irrational and not like the Maria he knew but he may have tried to help her and that is why her lower clothes are missing because she thought she was having the baby right then which may not have been the truth but at her young age and not having a child before she may have thought she was. We know some women tend to rage when they are in labor and can be quite vocal against the man........maybe she screamed at him and told him he had caused all of this and that is when the anger spilled over like molten lava OR someone interupted the entire dire situation when they walked in to find this going on.

imoo [/*]

All within the realm of possibility. The dates here are crucial, of course, as the timeline tells us much about the crime IMO.

[s.breda]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Yes, she purchased the ticket to leave out around 5:30 pm on the 15th. And remember he said she came back and said her plans had fallen through. The only thing that I can surmise is she came back on the 15th knowing she would not be able to leave then and I can only think of one thing that would thwart those plans and that was Maria was having more labor pains than the day she talked to her mother about having them.

I think it freaked both of them out. She was hysterical and he knew no matter what was happening she had to leave there or Christina was going to catch them both. It would also explain why he said she was acting irrational and not like the Maria he knew but he may have tried to help her and that is why her lower clothes are missing because she thought she was having the baby right then which may not have been the truth but at her young age and not having a child before she may have thought she was. We know some women tend to rage when they are in labor and can be quite vocal against the man........maybe she screamed at him and told him he had caused all of this and that is when the anger spilled over like molten lava OR someone interupted the entire dire situation when they walked in to find this going on.

imoo [/*]

I never became so upset I ripped my clothes off from the waist down at the first sign of labor pains or my water breaking. Not even with my first child.

LE has said Christina was not involved in the murder or cover up, so who else could have walked in?

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


This sounds like a very plausible scenario to me GB. I had the idea of water breaking on the brain last week and wondered if that happened how fast it would speed labor up????

I am leaning that way at this point and wondering what happened to make it all go crazy to a point of murder. :(

jmo [/*]

Oh sheesh, unfortunately I know all about that. When I had my first child, my water broke around 7:30 pm on the 31st and I had a dry birth and my daughter was not born until the next night on the 1st at 11:31 pm.

But I have seen some who have the baby quickly once their water breaks.

Leave it to me though to be different! lol Dry births are excurciating.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by s.breda


I never became so upset I ripped my clothes off from the waist down at the first sign of labor pains or my water breaking. Not even with my first child.

LE has said Christina was not involved in the murder or cover up, so who else could have walked in? [/*]

You wouldn't take your soggy clothes off if they were soaked when your water broke? Well I sure would, I certainly wouldn't just sit there in it.

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Oh sheesh, unfortunately I know all about that. When I had my first child, my water broke around 7:30 pm on the 31st and I had a dry birth and my daughter was not born until the next night on the 1st at 11:31 pm.

But I have seen some who have the baby quickly once their water breaks.

Leave it to me though to be different! lol Dry births are excurciating.

imoo [/*]


Yes, I thought the idea of doctors breaking water was to speed up contractions, so I was thinking that it would happen naturally too.

I wondered if it was too late to check the car interior for any dried amniotic fluid when LE got it???

I could see that making her come back all riled up myself. :shrug:

jmo

[s.breda]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


You wouldn't take your soggy clothes off if they were soaked when your water broke? Well I sure would, I certainly wouldn't just sit there in it.

imoo [/*]

No, not if I were in Maria's position for sure. I would just get in my car and get myself to the hospital. Better wet then naked. jmo

[caejde]

Why risk driving anywhere when you're in labor though? Very dangerous. And your water breaking isn't always a gush. With my last baby I had in 2007, my water didn't gush...it was just a slow trickle.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by caejde
Why risk driving anywhere when you're in labor though? Very dangerous. And your water breaking isn't always a gush. With my last baby I had in 2007, my water didn't gush...it was just a slow trickle. [/*]

If that turns out to be the case Caejde, I would imagine Maria was probably devastated if she had been trying to get away from everyone to keep her baby.

I could see a situation under those circumstances going way out of control pretty quickly. Once she would opt for the hospital, her plans were out the window IMO. :(

I think it could very well have been that way and don't know what would have propelled the situation to a murder from there, but it had to seem like the end to her well before it was the end from my POV. :(

jmo

[s.breda]

I doubt Cesar would have driven her, so she would have had no choice. It could be done since labor can start out very far between contractions.

When I had my first, the doctor had to break my water after 4 hours of labor. Very long labor.

[s.breda]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


If that turns out to be the case Caejde, I would imagine Maria was probably devastated if she had been trying to get away from everyone to keep her baby.

I could see a situation under those circumstances going way out of control pretty quickly. Once she would opt for the hospital, her plans were out the window IMO. :(

I think it could very well have been that way and don't know what would have propelled the situation to a murder from there, but it had to seem like the end to her well before it was the end from my POV. :(

jmo [/*]

I think we should remember Maria didn't have to get away from anyone to keep her baby. No one could have taken her baby away from her. jmo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


This sounds like a very plausible scenario to me GB. I had the idea of water breaking on the brain last week and wondered if that happened how fast it would speed labor up????

I am leaning that way at this point and wondering what happened to make it all go crazy to a point of murder. :(

jmo [/*]
Hi everyone :seeya: Her water breaking or thinking she was going into labor makes sense to me and would explain her missing clothes. I can't figure out though where she thought she was going to stay the night of the 14th since she'd left the 'goodbye' note at Durham's and the bus didn't leave until 5:50pm on the 15th. Any ideas? :shrug:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by s.breda


I think we should remember Maria didn't have to get away from anyone to keep her baby. No one could have taken her baby away from her. jmo [/*]

Check the search warrants on www.amw.com to find where the last coversation between Maria and her mother is depicted. You will find that her mother admits she told Maria she could not keep the baby. Take it for what it's worth, but it's in the search warrant.

I am of the belief if Maria did go into labor and found herself in the hospital she would have felt trapped and her mother would have come down. JMOOC. :(

[caejde]

Originally posted by s.breda
I doubt Cesar would have driven her, so she would have had no choice. It could be done since labor can start out very far between contractions.

When I had my first, the doctor had to break my water after 4 hours of labor. Very long labor. [/*]

Going on experience, neither of my labors were long at all. With my first I was admitted at 4:30 am and he was born at 11:53 am the same day. Water broke when I was around 6 cm. With the second my water broke at home around 8:15 am we got to the hospital around 10:15 am and he was born at 1:23 pm the same day. If she was in labor, her best bet would have been to call 911. I know on the way to the hospital with both of my children I would not have been able to drive. With my first I was throwing up alot and my second I was ok but the contractions got stronger as we were driving. Plus, if she was in labor and at Cesar's, the Naval Hospital would have been at least 30-40 minutes away. Alot can happen in that time frame. I still say her best bet would have been to called 911. I'm not convinced that she was 8 months pregnant. I think she was more like 7 months. So I don't think her being in labor is an option.

[caejde]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Check the search warrants on www.amw.com to find where the last coversation between Maria and her mother is depicted. You will find that her mother admits she told Maria she could not keep the baby. Take it for what it's worth, but it's in the search warrant.

I am of the belief if Maria did go into labor and found herself in the hospital she would have felt trapped and her mother would have come down. JMOOC. :( [/*]

Her mother couldn't have forced her to give up the baby. Maria didn't have to do what anyone said or wanted. And Mary wouldn't necessarily have known that Maria went into labor and had the baby if Maria didn't want her to know.

[strick10]

Maria was young and this was her first pregancy but I don't think she would've completely panicked to the point of removing her clothes if her water had broken at the L's. Maybe borrowed a towel. She had prenatal classes and I'm sure she wasn't completely clueless. I don't think she would have automatically gone into a panic. She was smart enough to have either driven herself to the hospital or to have called 911. Not many people would want to have their baby delivered by someone that was not trained to deliver. IMO I don't think she had gone into labor.

[strick10]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Check the search warrants on www.amw.com to find where the last coversation between Maria and her mother is depicted. You will find that her mother admits she told Maria she could not keep the baby. Take it for what it's worth, but it's in the search warrant.

I am of the belief if Maria did go into labor and found herself in the hospital she would have felt trapped and her mother would have come down. JMOOC. :( [/*]

That is so sad that Maria felt she couldn't make her own decisions in regards to the baby. Seems like her wings were clipped somewhat.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by sunstar

Hi everyone :seeya: Her water breaking or thinking she was going into labor makes sense to me and would explain her missing clothes. I can't figure out though where she thought she was going to stay the night of the 14th since she'd left the 'goodbye' note at Durham's and the bus didn't leave until 5:50pm on the 15th. Any ideas? :shrug: [/*]

:seeya: Hey Sun, I have no idea either. That remains a mystery for sure.

JMO

[sunstar]

Originally posted by strick10
Maria was young and this was her first pregancy but I don't think she would've completely panicked to the point of removing her clothes if her water had broken at the L's. Maybe borrowed a towel. She had prenatal classes and I'm sure she wasn't completely clueless. I don't think she would have automatically gone into a panic. She was smart enough to have either driven herself to the hospital or to have called 911. Not many people would want to have their baby delivered by someone that was not trained to deliver. IMO I don't think she had gone into labor. [/*]
And not many would leave the Marines and their insurance coverage behind to go AWOL just before giving birth either. There's so many things here that don't make sense, imo.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by caejde


Her mother couldn't have forced her to give up the baby. Maria didn't have to do what anyone said or wanted. And Mary wouldn't necessarily have known that Maria went into labor and had the baby if Maria didn't want her to know. [/*]

I wonder why she was telling her she couldn't take care of the baby and that placing a baby for adoption was such a good thing to do?

That came from the DDN article and the search warrant. :confused:

JMO.

[IvySterling]

Comparing everyone's experience with delivery is just that, each is different. How someone feels physically toward the end of pregnancy also varies especially depending on age. Maria went to work everyday, was able to go to the ATM, bus terminal and whatever else she did on the day, or days prior to her death. I think the entire 'bed redden' thing was not factual in reality.

Many pregnant woman have had their water break and I personally don't know of any who would strip down because of it unless they were at home.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


:seeya: Hey Sun, I have no idea either. That remains a mystery for sure.

JMO [/*]
Hi CK :) That and a lot of other things!!

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by strick10


That is so sad that Maria felt she couldn't make her own decisions in regards to the baby. Seems like her wings were clipped somewhat. [/*]

While I totally agree with that Strick, if you believe any of the things that came from Mary, maybe she was thinking ahead in her best interest if she really felt Maria couldn't do it.

Her and Uncle Peter had thoughts before this according to Mary IIRC. To top it off, when she received the call talking about the allegation of rape, she was already having so many calls, she was screening.

I am guessing she had her reasons for telling her that and having a stern conversation with her at that time concerning the baby.

JMO tho.:(

[sunstar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


While I totally agree with that Strick, if you believe any of the things that came from Mary, maybe she was thinking ahead in her best interest if she really felt Maria couldn't do it.

Her and Uncle Peter had thoughts before this according to Mary IIRC. To top it off, when she received the call talking about the allegation of rape, she was already having so many calls, she was screening.

I am guessing she had her reasons for telling her that and having a stern conversation with her at that time concerning the baby.

JMO tho.:( [/*]
I can understand a mother suggesting her daughter give up a baby, who was supposedly a product of rape, for adoption ~ assuming this is what she believed to be true ~ especially if the mother believed the daughter was emotionally unprepared to care for the baby. I can also understand the daughter wanting to keep the baby if she was in love with the baby's father. ;)

[strick10]

Originally posted by sunstar

And not many would leave the Marines and their insurance coverage behind to go AWOL just before giving birth either. There's so many things here that don't make sense, imo. [/*]

She had a plan for that day and for the immediate future. Hope we find out what the tenative plan was.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by strick10


She had a plan for that day and for the immediate future. Hope we find out what the tenative plan was. [/*]
I do too, and it might be what LE hopes CL will tell them.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by sunstar

I can understand a mother suggesting her daughter give up a baby, who was supposedly a product of rape, for adoption ~ assuming this is what she believed to be true ~ especially if the mother believed the daughter was emotionally unprepared to care for the baby. I can also understand the daughter wanting to keep the baby if she was in love with the baby's father. ;) [/*]

Sadly me too, to all of the above Sunstar. Not only that, but even if she was raped, some women just can't let their baby go and I could see that as well.

JMO. :(

She had to be really torn about what she was doing with her life IMO.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by strick10
Maria was young and this was her first pregancy but I don't think she would've completely panicked to the point of removing her clothes if her water had broken at the L's. Maybe borrowed a towel. She had prenatal classes and I'm sure she wasn't completely clueless. I don't think she would have automatically gone into a panic. She was smart enough to have either driven herself to the hospital or to have called 911. Not many people would want to have their baby delivered by someone that was not trained to deliver. IMO I don't think she had gone into labor. [/*]

ITA strick.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by strick10
Maria was young and this was her first pregancy but I don't think she would've completely panicked to the point of removing her clothes if her water had broken at the L's. Maybe borrowed a towel. She had prenatal classes and I'm sure she wasn't completely clueless. I don't think she would have automatically gone into a panic. She was smart enough to have either driven herself to the hospital or to have called 911. Not many people would want to have their baby delivered by someone that was not trained to deliver. IMO I don't think she had gone into labor. [/*]

Of course not, Stick.

Who takes their clothes off when her water breaks???? :confused:

The thing one wants to do is put on a pad or two while calling the OB-GYN (as per instructions). The OB's are on call for that very purpose.

When your water breaks you want to ADD something to keep it off the floor and your legs. The last thing you want to do is to take your clothes off.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


ITA strick. [/*]

Hey, SS. Good afternoon.

Long time no see.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


This sounds like a very plausible scenario to me GB. I had the idea of water breaking on the brain last week and wondered if that happened how fast it would speed labor up????

I am leaning that way at this point and wondering what happened to make it all go crazy to a point of murder. :(

jmo [/*]

There is no real time between H2O breaking and delivery.

I believe average is 8-12 hrs for first time babies.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


You wouldn't take your soggy clothes off if they were soaked when your water broke? Well I sure would, I certainly wouldn't just sit there in it.

imoo [/*]

Not me!

Never even heard of such. Docs tell you if your H2O breaks, call the office, not the hospital, and the docs will call ahead to have you go in to be admitted.

And who would go to hosp with a bare bottom? :eek:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by s.breda


No, not if I were in Maria's position for sure. I would just get in my car and get myself to the hospital. Better wet then naked. jmo [/*]

Yep.

I can't even imagine how anyone would just shuck the clothes instead of calling the OB and heading to hosp after talking to him/her.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by caejde


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I think she was more like 7 months. So I don't think her being in labor is an option. [/*]

ITA with you.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by daniel green


Not me!

Never even heard of such. Docs tell you if your H2O breaks, call the office, not the hospital, and the docs will call ahead to have you go in to be admitted.

And who would go to hosp with a bare bottom? :eek: [/*]

Imo going to the hospital there in Jacksonville was out of the realm of all possibility for Maria.

No one was going to learn she was in labor much less having him in that town. She had planned on leaving so that wouldn't happen.

IMO of course.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I wonder why she was telling her she couldn't take care of the baby and that placing a baby for adoption was such a good thing to do?

That came from the DDN article and the search warrant. :confused:

JMO. [/*]

It is obvious her mother did not think her capable of raising a child, but why?

:shrug:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Imo going to the hospital there in Jacksonville was out of the realm of all possibility for Maria.

No one was going to learn she was in labor much less having him in that town. She had planned on leaving so that wouldn't happen.

IMO of course. [/*]

Good evening, GB!

You think that she was going to deliver at home without a doc?

[daniel green]

Originally posted by IvySterling
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Many pregnant woman have had their water break and I personally don't know of any who would strip down because of it unless they were at home. [/*]

Me, either.

Having just gone through child birth classes (yet again), they tell you if your H2O breaks, call the doc. Do not go to hosp till doc tells you.

So, unless one was planning a home birth, I just don't see stripping.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by daniel green


Good evening, GB!

You think that she was going to deliver at home without a doc? [/*]

I think she was freaking out and didn't know what she needed to do. A lot was riding on that decision. It completely thwarted her plans so I am not sure she would go and maybe kept hoping it was false labor maybe. I certainly don't think she was in the mindset to make rational decisions.

imoo

[s.breda]

I don't think Mary was making Maria do anything. She was advising her, but I think she knew Maria would do what she wanted to do.

I don't think Maria was in labor.

I think if she were in labor she would go to the hospital and have her baby. Her plan would simply change.

jmo

[LaMancha]

Originally posted by s.breda
I don't think Mary was making Maria do anything. She was advising her, but I think she knew Maria would do what she wanted to do.

I don't think Maria was in labor.

I think if she were in labor she would go to the hospital and have her baby. Her plan would simply change.

jmo [/*]

It didn't seem to me like Mary was going to let it rest. I don't know if Maria was in labor or not, but if she was running away I doubt she would have gone to the hospital if she was (or maybe just thought she was). She was running from something, and it was important enough to go UA.
jmo

[baywench]

Originally posted by daniel green


It is obvious her mother did not think her capable of raising a child, but why?

:shrug: [/*]

I have always thought that Maria was in emotional denial as to the reality of the pregnancy. She knew she was pregnant, yes, but didn't seem to grasp that this was going to result in a baby that would necessitate hard decisions being made. Obviously I cannot speak for the masses, however the women I have known that consider abortion seem to have very strong, immediate feelings that this must be done. Maria did not choose abortion, for whatever reason so she must have been clear in her decision to proceed with the pregnancy. It seems odd that she would not be making preparations for his birth and care thereafter. Other than her mother running the show she doesn't (that we know of) seem to have made a commitment either way. As, a mother and a daughter, I can tell you that my mother's opinion would not have driven my decision at 21, and my opinion did not sway my daughter's actions when she was 23. Why does she seem to have no mind of her own? How could she have been in the military if she was so feckless? I think we may find out that she had a whole secret life involving CL, that's the only that makes any sense. A life she couldn't discuss with her mother, friends, the MC. This whole the with Turner IMO is Mary's attempt to make it all pretty and Maria just a victim. She wasted her time. It wasn't pretty and Maria was certainly a victim in the end. Of murder. JMO

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I think she was freaking out and didn't know what she needed to do. A lot was riding on that decision. It completely thwarted her plans so I am not sure she would go and maybe kept hoping it was false labor maybe. I certainly don't think she was in the mindset to make rational decisions.

imoo [/*]

Now that we know that Maria wasn't in a big rush to get out of town on the 14th or early the 15th I'm led to believe she was not in a panic mode. It was a weekend and the MC was not going to be wondering what she was doing or where she was going. She was able to go to work, go home, talk to Mary, pack, go to the bank, and purchase a bus ticket. Everything she did was in sequence. It was about 3-4 hours before Maria probably even left her home to head to the bank. Plenty of time to think. I think she wanted to leave the area not only because of the rape allegation case but because her mother was coming the following week. Maria probably still had Mary believing the baby was due in Dec/Jan and a product of the rape allegation dates. She most likely had not told her what her ob had as the due date. IIRC Maria had an ob appointment the following week, what if Mary knew this and had wanted to go with her to that appointment? Now that would blow everything out of the water. What if Maria thought Mary would push to talk to her UVA/VA, NCIS etc. about the case and harrassment? Everything was going to come out and that I think is what had Maria wanting to leave the most. She didn't want to be caught in telling lies to this extent and she didn't want to face Mary for having done so. JMO

[strick10]

Originally posted by baywench


I have always thought that Maria was in emotional denial as to the reality of the pregnancy. She knew she was pregnant, yes, but didn't seem to grasp that this was going to result in a baby that would necessitate hard decisions being made. Obviously I cannot speak for the masses, however the women I have known that consider abortion seem to have very strong, immediate feelings that this must be done. Maria did not choose abortion, for whatever reason so she must have been clear in her decision to proceed with the pregnancy. It seems odd that she would not be making preparations for his birth and care thereafter. Other than her mother running the show she doesn't (that we know of) seem to have made a commitment either way. As, a mother and a daughter, I can tell you that my mother's opinion would not have driven my decision at 21, and my opinion did not sway my daughter's actions when she was 23. Why does she seem to have no mind of her own? How could she have been in the military if she was so feckless? I think we may find out that she had a whole secret life involving CL, that's the only that makes any sense. A life she couldn't discuss with her mother, friends, the MC. This whole the with Turner IMO is Mary's attempt to make it all pretty and Maria just a victim. She wasted her time. It wasn't pretty and Maria was certainly a victim in the end. Of murder. JMO [/*]

Could be she was in denial but it seems she was planning ahead by asking to move off base to set up a home for her and her baby. She may have not had much for the baby at that time but she still had time to buy stuff. There's only so much you can store in a barracks room you share with someone else. Maybe the baby clothes they found in the pit with her was the first baby item(s) she purchased. Everyone is different. I didn't purchase anything for my children until I was in my last month or two. She could have just been waiting to settle in a place out in town.

[baywench]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae
I suppose it's possible, maybe, ML and CL were about to have sex and X'Tina or someone caught them...

That would explain why part of her clothing was off....:shrug:

Of course thats MOO.
Just trying to think WHY she had any clothes off at all...

We have:
1) water broke
2) sex
Anyone else care to venture a guess as to why? [/*]

The fabric they were made of was completely consumed by the fire. IMO

[daniel green]

Originally posted by strick10


Now that we know that Maria wasn't in a big rush to get out of town on the 14th or early the 15th I'm led to believe she was not in a panic mode.

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Everything she did was in sequence. It was about 3-4 hours before Maria probably even left her home to head to the bank. Plenty of time to think. [/*]

I was just coming to this thread to ask why it is that some ppl think she was not thinking straight or was in a panic and then here was your great post!

I agree completely.

There is nothing about ML's actions that appear to be panic or irrational to me.

More like planning, seems like to me.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


Now that we know that Maria wasn't in a big rush to get out of town on the 14th or early the 15th I'm led to believe she was not in a panic mode. It was a weekend and the MC was not going to be wondering what she was doing or where she was going. She was able to go to work, go home, talk to Mary, pack, go to the bank, and purchase a bus ticket. Everything she did was in sequence. It was about 3-4 hours before Maria probably even left her home to head to the bank. Plenty of time to think. I think she wanted to leave the area not only because of the rape allegation case but because her mother was coming the following week. Maria probably still had Mary believing the baby was due in Dec/Jan and a product of the rape allegation dates. She most likely had not told her what her ob had as the due date. IIRC Maria had an ob appointment the following week, what if Mary knew this and had wanted to go with her to that appointment? Now that would blow everything out of the water. What if Maria thought Mary would push to talk to her UVA/VA, NCIS etc. about the case and harassment? Everything was going to come out and that I think is what had Maria wanting to leave the most. She didn't want to be caught in telling lies to this extent and she didn't want to face Mary for having done so. JMO [/*]

I don't think she was in a panic mode either. In fact imo the first time she went there everything was fine and on plan but I do believe she was in full panic mode when whatever it was happened that completely made her plans fall through. I think she had built herself up and had courage because the plan was coming together but when something changed that I think Maria's demeanor and emotional state drastically changed and she was no longer calm and collected but freaking out.

imoo

[daniel green]

Originally posted by baywench


I have always thought that Maria was in emotional denial as to the reality of the pregnancy.

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I so totally agree with you. I've always thought the same thing.

And I agree wholeheartedly with your apt description of the Turner fiasco.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by baywench


I have always thought that Maria was in emotional denial as to the reality of the pregnancy. She knew she was pregnant, yes, but didn't seem to grasp that this was going to result in a baby that would necessitate hard decisions being made. Obviously I cannot speak for the masses, however the women I have known that consider abortion seem to have very strong, immediate feelings that this must be done. Maria did not choose abortion, for whatever reason so she must have been clear in her decision to proceed with the pregnancy. It seems odd that she would not be making preparations for his birth and care thereafter. Other than her mother running the show she doesn't (that we know of) seem to have made a commitment either way. As, a mother and a daughter, I can tell you that my mother's opinion would not have driven my decision at 21, and my opinion did not sway my daughter's actions when she was 23. Why does she seem to have no mind of her own? How could she have been in the military if she was so feckless? I think we may find out that she had a whole secret life involving CL, that's the only that makes any sense. A life she couldn't discuss with her mother, friends, the MC. This whole the with Turner IMO is Mary's attempt to make it all pretty and Maria just a victim. She wasted her time. It wasn't pretty and Maria was certainly a victim in the end. Of murder. JMO [/*]

I think some of the things we have heard from Mary coupled with the idea she needed to touch base so often is a window into what you are alluding to Bay. I too think it wasn't real to her up until the time it mattered most. So, I don't expect we will find out there were any MAJOR PLANS outside of getting out of NC and away from it all. I get the impression she would have been coming back or made contact with Durham somehow if there were seven boxes of her things sent to her parents tho. When I saw that I was a bit thrown off again unless she simply was not thinking logically. She would have left her car with a "for sale sign" and seven boxes of personal things....I keep finding some major sticking points.

JMO.

You know how I feel about Congressman Turner and Mrs. Lauterbach in their quest. I am concerned it may be like handing over a prejudicial motion to the defense. Again, JMO. :seeya:

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I don't think she was in a panic mode either. In fact imo the first time she went there everything was fine and on plan but I do believe she was in full panic mode when whatever it was happened that completely made her plans fall through. I think she had built herself up and had courage because the plan was coming together but when something changed that I think Maria's demeanor and emotional state drastically changed and she was no longer calm and collected but freaking out.

imoo [/*]

CAL saying that her plans fell through, what plans? If they were solely her plans could it be that whomever she was going to in El Paso was not aware that she was going and when she contacted them to tell them she would be there in a couple of days they told her they couldn't have her there? Or did she go back to Cesars cause he stood her up which was part of their plan.

[baywench]

Does anyone that can remember something for more than five minutes (unlike me! remember if RS was ever asked if they knew why Maria was going to El Paso? Also, how long was the bus ride? Is it possible she planned to come back? I haven't got anything invested in that theory just thinking outloud. Drat, for sale sign probably throws that theory out too. JMO

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by baywench
Does anyone that can remember something for more than five minutes (unlike me! remember if RS was ever asked if they knew why Maria was going to El Paso? Also, how long was the bus ride? Is it possible she planned to come back? I haven't got anything invested in that theory just thinking outloud. Drat, for sale sign probably throws that theory out too. JMO [/*]
About El Paso RS replied to our question
Has it ever been determined what Maria's connection to El Paso was?
We know the answers to these questions, we can not release the info at this time.

[baywench]

Originally posted by IvySterling

About El Paso RS replied to our question
Has it ever been determined what Maria's connection to El Paso was?
[/*]


Thanks Ivy, I vaguely remembered it but I can't trust the ole braincells lately.....must be all the gin LOL

[strick10]

Originally posted by baywench
Does anyone that can remember something for more than five minutes (unlike me! remember if RS was ever asked if they knew why Maria was going to El Paso? Also, how long was the bus ride? Is it possible she planned to come back? I haven't got anything invested in that theory just thinking outloud. Drat, for sale sign probably throws that theory out too. JMO [/*]

The bus ticket was for El Paso and it would've taken her almost 2 days. Leaving at about 5:50 on the 15th and she would arrive in El Paso on the 17th in the morning. It is a long trip. I took that bus ride once and I'm glad I've never had to take it again.

[baywench]

Originally posted by strick10


The bus ticket was for El Paso and it would've taken her almost 2 days. Leaving at about 5:50 on the 15th and she would arrive in El Paso on the 17th in the morning. It is a long trip. I took that bus ride once and I'm glad I've never had to take it again. [/*]

Yikes. OK, back to my original theories. Sigh

[strick10]

Y'all have a good one, I'm out.

[strick10]

Originally posted by baywench


Yikes. OK, back to my original theories. Sigh [/*]

Sorry bay, the bus would've arrived in El Paso at about 3:30 pm on the 17th.

[chance]

Originally posted by strick10


CAL saying that her plans fell through, what plans? If they were solely her plans could it be that whomever she was going to in El Paso was not aware that she was going and when she contacted them to tell them she would be there in a couple of days they told her they couldn't have her there? Or did she go back to Cesars cause he stood her up which was part of their plan. [/*]

It has been my thought that what ever fell through was on the El Paso side. And she freaked out over it and went to tell CL about it or to accuse him of causing it to fall through. And all hell broke loose.

moo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae


Oh my God!

I am so sorry I posted that. :punch:

I was under the assumption her pants were completely missing when the body was recovered.....and perhaps they were found in the house.

:rose: Again, I apologize. [/*]

Her lower clothing was missing. Whether they burned to ashes, we don't know....

jmo

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Her lower clothing was missing. Whether they burned to ashes, we don't know....

jmo [/*]

Yep. We don't know, but I guess some "assume".

As an aside. How many of "you" get cell phone calls while at work? Do any of "you" screen your calls while working and/or have them sent to voicemail? Just a thought for those that "assume". I work for myself, but I screen all my calls while at work. I am always a professional and can ignore/screen and can call back, but I sure as heck can ignore my youngest sons calls when I'm with a client. I'll call him back. It isn't a difficult task, but yes I SCREEN calls to my cell phone. My bad ... according to some.

:seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by RiverWalk


Yep. We don't know, but I guess some "assume".

As an aside. How many of "you" get cell phone calls while at work? Do any of "you" screen your calls while working and/or have them sent to voicemail? Just a thought for those that "assume". I work for myself, but I screen all my calls while at work. I am always a professional and can ignore/screen and can call back, but I sure as heck can ignore my youngest sons calls when I'm with a client. I'll call him back. It isn't a difficult task, but yes I SCREEN calls to my cell phone. My bad ... according to some.

:seeya: [/*]

I agree. In this day and age, we all screen our calls - even from family. Sometimes I just don't feel like talking....

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I agree. In this day and age, we all screen our calls - even from family. Sometimes I just don't feel like talking.... [/*]

True for you and I, but some think "screening" calls is BAD? Surprised the heck outta me since I do that all the time. Who knew? Still not going to answer my phone 24/7 regardless of who calls or text messages me. Just not my thing and if fact it pizzes me off. jmo and all that jazz.

[Babes]

Good Morning :)


Ok - I thought i am the only one who thinks that Christina and Cesar was separated first week/2nd week of December - Looks like someone also has the same views. Anyone else thought about it?

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I agree. In this day and age, we all screen our calls - even from family. Sometimes I just don't feel like talking.... [/*]

No, I don't screen my son's calls who no longer live in my home. Sorry gaelic, I don't do that.
:no:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by RiverWalk


True for you and I, but some think "screening" calls is BAD? Surprised the heck outta me since I do that all the time. Who knew? Still not going to answer my phone 24/7 regardless of who calls or text messages me. Just not my thing and if fact it pizzes me off. jmo and all that jazz. [/*]

Who knew? Well, I knew that if my 18-26 year old kids are calling me on my cell, THERE IS A REASON.

If Mary was hoping the military would help with the issues that come with UNCLE PETER's description of "ATTACHMENT DISORDER", well, I guess she was sorely disappointed. They can't fix things parents sometimes wish they could.

JMO.:o

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Babes
Good Morning :)


Ok - I thought i am the only one who thinks that Christina and Cesar was separated first week/2nd week of December - Looks like someone also has the same views. Anyone else thought about it? [/*]

Mornin' Babes, I haven't given much thought to this because she was at his party and she allegedly returned to their home.

What would you base that theory of being separated on?

jmo:seeya:

[Charlotte]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae


Oh my God!

I am so sorry I posted that. :punch:

I was under the assumption her pants were completely missing when the body was recovered.....and perhaps they were found in the house.

:rose: Again, I apologize. [/*]

No apologies necessary, Kathy*Rae.
According to Lindell Kay, Maria's pants were indeed missing altogether and had not been burned off. Also according to him, D. A. Hudson told him that he was surprised that the JDNews was the only outlet that reported it.

IMO

[caejde]

Originally posted by Babes
Good Morning :)


Ok - I thought i am the only one who thinks that Christina and Cesar was separated first week/2nd week of December - Looks like someone also has the same views. Anyone else thought about it? [/*]

I don't remember that. I thought the neighbors had said they hadn't seen Christina but her car was at the house.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by caejde


I don't remember that. I thought the neighbors had said they hadn't seen Christina but her car was at the house. [/*]

That is what was said. That they saw her car there but hadn't seen her outside lately. May have been busy painting the inside of the home and pulling furniture out etc, perhaps. They did talk about having a conversation with Christina where she told them they would be painting the garage after Christmas and they already knew they were painting the living room. IIRC one of the neighbors was actually inside when she was talking with CSL.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I agree. In this day and age, we all screen our calls - even from family. Sometimes I just don't feel like talking.... [/*]

I only screen calls if I think it may be a telemarketer that still seems to squeeze by the do not call list every now and then.

All of our children live out on their own so I wouldn't screen their calls for sure.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


CAL saying that her plans fell through, what plans? If they were solely her plans could it be that whomever she was going to in El Paso was not aware that she was going and when she contacted them to tell them she would be there in a couple of days they told her they couldn't have her there? Or did she go back to Cesars cause he stood her up which was part of their plan. [/*]

How nice it would be if we knew what plans fell through and what occurred to make that happen but unfortunately we don't at this time.

Sutherland did say they have uncovered the connection between Maria and the El Paso destination but he also said that with Maria being deceased and not knowing Cesar Lauren's side it may never be known why they picked El Paso in particular. But IMOO he does hint that they both knew what the plans were and it was a joint decision.

imoo

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

-snipped-
But IMOO he does hint that they both knew what the plans were and it was a joint decision.

imoo [/*]

Interesting. A possible joint decision hmmmmm, gotta think that one through.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


Interesting. A possible joint decision hmmmmm, gotta think that one through. [/*]

Well that was my interpretation. He implied that there were two people who knew.......Maria, who is deceased and Laurean who could answer that question.

Good Morning!.:patriot:

imoo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


<snipped> They did talk about having a conversation with Christina where she told them they would be painting the garage after Christmas and they already knew they were painting the living room. IIRC one of the neighbors was actually inside when she was talking with CSL.

imo [/*]

Yes, that's what I recall too. Wanda said she was inside while she and CSL discussed the painting. Richard basically said the same thing to Fox. I remember he kept telling the reporter, you'll can ask my wife.

jmoo

some spring cleaning is needed please

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I only screen calls if I think it may be a telemarketer that still seems to squeeze by the do not call list every now and then.

All of our children live out on their own so I wouldn't screen their calls for sure.

imoo [/*]

When I was working full time, my place of employment didn't have caller ID and I admit there were many days that I wanted to screen calls but I didn't have the luxury.

I do screen calls at home, and I do that everyday as I can't stand the telemarketers, political calls, etc.

Now when it comes to my children I don't, nor do I when any member of my or hubby's family calls.

For the record, anyone who screen calls from their children, or from anyone else for that matter, I don't have a problem with it as I don't know what your situation is nor have I walked a mile in your shoes. I only speak of my own personal experience.

jmoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Yes, that's what I recall too. Wanda said she was inside while she and CSL discussed the painting. Richard basically said the same thing to Fox. I remember he kept telling the reporter, you'll can ask my wife.

jmoo

some spring cleaning is needed please [/*]

Thus "we are painting" and that fruitless discussion where the out for Christina was sold.

I think THEY painted and that is why WE ARE PAINTING was used. JMO tho.

You might consider some cleaning too Nuttintodo. :cool:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Yes, that's what I recall too. Wanda said she was inside while she and CSL discussed the painting. Richard basically said the same thing to Fox. I remember he kept telling the reporter, you'll can ask my wife.

jmoo

some spring cleaning is needed please [/*]

:D Ha, I beat ya to it and cleaned it early this morning when I realized it was packed to the brim.

I think Christina was there the entire time even before this happened.

imoo:seeya:

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


:D Ha, I beat ya to it and cleaned it early this morning when I realized it was packed to the brim.

I think Christina was there the entire time even before this happened.

imoo:seeya: [/*]

I don't think they took a break from each other either. Perhaps threats of leaving etc. but if Christina loved(es) him as much as her public speakers claim I don't think she would have tried the I'm leaving tactic especially knowing that CAL had probably cheated on her. I think she was staying put and was going to try to make it work.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


I don't think they took a break from each other either. Perhaps threats of leaving etc. but if Christina loved(es) him as much as her public speakers claim I don't think she would have tried the I'm leaving tactic especially knowing that CAL had probably cheated on her. I think she was staying put and was going to try to make it work. [/*]

Yes, I do agree. I really think she loved this man and I think she still does no matter what he is accused of.........

Or it could be just foolish pride about Maria before this happened and she wanted to be the last woman standing and the one who got the man.

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by strick10


I don't think they took a break from each other either. Perhaps threats of leaving etc. but if Christina loved(es) him as much as her public speakers claim I don't think she would have tried the I'm leaving tactic especially knowing that CAL had probably cheated on her. I think she was staying put and was going to try to make it work. [/*]

;) at her public speakers. I believe she was in it for the long haul too. I wonder about what point in time it went from a rape allegation to him cheating for Christina tho. Just wondering about the timing of that. :o

JMO.

[hinman]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


;) at her public speakers. I believe she was in it for the long haul too. I wonder about what point in time it went from a rape allegation to him cheating for Christina tho. Just wondering about the timing of that. :o

JMO. [/*]Christina never believed the rape allegation. I am sure in her mind from the day CL told her it was considered cheating.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by hinman
Christina never believed the rape allegation. I am sure in her mind from the day CL told her it was considered cheating. [/*]

Are you saying *you think* she knew something was going on from day one?

You don't think she ever viewed her husband as the victim of a possible false accusation born out of nowhere, even when she went to Maria and confronted her?

Just asking for clarification there hinman. :cool:

JMO

[shelkobe]

Didn't Mary say that she got multiple calls on a daily basis from Maria? I doubt Maria was just calling to say she missed her.

If the family thinks Maria's behavior was similiar to that of someone who is bi-polar (whether she was or wasn't isn't the issue), then I would imagine some of those calls were frantic; repeatedly asking for advice; saying she wanted to come home; crying; asking for more advice; etc. Day after day after day. That can be emotionally draining and I can see Maria's mother, or anyone's mother, being frustrated at not being able to calm her daughter, or solve her problems for her. Mary had a full-time job and three other kids at home, no? I do not think it was easy being in her shoes.

[hinman]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Are you saying *you think* she knew something was going on from day one?

You don't think she ever viewed her husband as the victim of a possible false accusation born out of nowhere, even when she went to Maria and confronted her?

Just asking for clarification there hinman. :cool:

JMO [/*]I think she did think her husband was falsely accused but probably new an affair had taken place. I doubt that she thought Maria just made up the whole thing and there was never anything. The thought surely went through her mind.

Of course that is possible maybe she did think that.

[LaMancha]

Originally posted by hinman
I think she did think her husband was falsely accused but probably new an affair had taken place. I doubt that she thought Maria just made up the whole thing and there was never anything. The thought surely went through her mind.

Of course that is possible maybe she did think that. [/*]

I know i'm in the minority after reading on this board, but I feel sorry for Christina. I don't know if she was involved, but she's had a lot to handle and I'm sure when she got married she didn't see things ending this way. just my opinion

[hinman]

Originally posted by LaMancha


I know i'm in the minority after reading on this board, but I feel sorry for Christina. I don't know if she was involved, but she's had a lot to handle and I'm sure when she got married she didn't see things ending this way. just my opinion [/*]Oh I agree with you LaMancha. I have questioned her involvement. I won't lie. Some things just don't add up. I have never thought that she killed Maria.
I have to believe LE have investigated this and CHristina just is not involved in the crime part. I feel sorry for her to. I am sure this is not how she planned her life.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by hinman
I think she did think her husband was falsely accused but probably new an affair had taken place. I doubt that she thought Maria just made up the whole thing and there was never anything. The thought surely went through her mind.

Of course that is possible maybe she did think that. [/*]

I do believe Christina thought the rape allegations were false but knew he had cheated on her and was hurt and now angry with him about that betrayal.

She would still blame Maria though imo for upsetting the Laureans perfect life according to Christina's POV.

I have seen that happen more times than I can count. The female spouse exerts all of her anger and rage toward the woman who they think lured their man instead of directing the anger and hurt where it should be placed. For the life of me, I could never understand why they do that.

Either way imo Christiana blamed Maria for it all.

I wouldn't be surprised if this very day CSL is thinking if Maria had just stayed away from their lives none of this would have happened.

imoo

[strick10]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


;) at her public speakers. I believe she was in it for the long haul too. I wonder about what point in time it went from a rape allegation to him cheating for Christina tho. Just wondering about the timing of that. :o

JMO. [/*]

He may have admitted that he had an affair right before he booked. I think she probably already had a strong feeling though that he had cheated before he admitted it to her. JMO.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by strick10


He may have admitted that he had an affair right before he booked. I think she probably already had a strong feeling though that he had cheated before he admitted it to her. JMO. [/*]

He could have done that Strick...remember Dewey's comment about she was torn between her love for him and him being unfaithful to her.

jmoo

[strick10]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


He could have done that Strick...remember Dewey's comment about she was torn between her love for him and him being unfaithful to her.

jmoo [/*]
Yup I remember that. Found it odd that he didn't mention anything regarding the murder. Matter of fact I found it odd that he mentioned anything on how Christina was feeling towards CAL. Maybe it was just me but I don't understand what the importance of her love for him has to do with the murder of Maria.

[LaMancha]

The longer she knew he was cheating, the longer she stayed, the braver he got, the more he knew he could get away with it. Then after everything she's been through, he admits to the world that he loved maria. I feel worse for Maria, but Christina has a very long road ahead of her.
just my opinion

[s.breda]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae


Oh my God!

I am so sorry I posted that. :punch:

I was under the assumption her pants were completely missing when the body was recovered.....and perhaps they were found in the house.

:rose: Again, I apologize. [/*]

No need to apologize. Those clothes from the waist down could not have burned to ashes with no charring on the right hip. imo

[s.breda]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I do believe Christina thought the rape allegations were false but knew he had cheated on her and was hurt and now angry with him about that betrayal.

She would still blame Maria though imo for upsetting the Laureans perfect life according to Christina's POV.

I have seen that happen more times than I can count. The female spouse exerts all of her anger and rage toward the woman who they think lured their man instead of directing the anger and hurt where it should be placed. For the life of me, I could never understand why they do that.

Either way imo Christiana blamed Maria for it all.

I wouldn't be surprised if this very day CSL is thinking if Maria had just stayed away from their lives none of this would have happened.

imoo [/*]

I think Christina blamed Cesar for all of it, not Maria. imo

I beiieve she still does, now more then ever. imo

[LaMancha]

Originally posted by s.breda


I think Christina blamed Cesar for all of it, not Maria. imo

I beiieve she still does, how more then ever. imo [/*]

Especially if he had cheated on her before. just my opinion.

[strick10]

Originally posted by s.breda


I think Christina blamed Cesar for all of it, not Maria. imo

I beiieve she still does, now more then ever. imo [/*]

If that's the case then why did Maria claim that Christina supposidly confronted her on the issue with a "what are you doing to our family stitch?" I think Christina acted like most women would. Knew there was blame on both parties but probably blamed Maria the most. No link so JMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I do believe Christina thought the rape allegations were false but knew he had cheated on her and was hurt and now angry with him about that betrayal.

She would still blame Maria though imo for upsetting the Laureans perfect life according to Christina's POV.

I have seen that happen more times than I can count. The female spouse exerts all of her anger and rage toward the woman who they think lured their man instead of directing the anger and hurt where it should be placed. For the life of me, I could never understand why they do that.

Either way imo Christiana blamed Maria for it all.

I wouldn't be surprised if this very day CSL is thinking if Maria had just stayed away from their lives none of this would have happened.

imoo [/*]

This would not shock me at all. I seriously doubt Christina would have confronted Maria asking what she was trying to do to them if she believed her husband responsible.

Do you?

If she was still having trouble dealing with his infidelity whilst he was a fugitive on the run from murder charges, well, that says it all for me. ;)

JMO.

[Marcia3]

I know this is seriously off-topic, but I am on my way to the hospital with my DD...my grandson is on his way! Just wanted to pop in and share the good news. I haven't been keeping up on the board here lately, just too much going on, but please keep us in your prayers.

I'll try to pop in one day real soon and read up on whatever has been going on with this case...like the unsealed SW's and such.

Later!

[CANDYKISSES]

:rose: :rose: :rose:

Wishing you the best Grandma.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by LaMancha


Especially if he had cheated on her before. just my opinion. [/*]

There has not been one hint that he had ever cheated on her before and I believe if he had that would have leaked out by now.

It seems that Maria was the only one.

imo

[LaMancha]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


This would not shock me at all. I seriously doubt Christina would have confronted Maria asking what she was trying to do to them if she believed her husband responsible.

Do you?

If she was still having trouble dealing with his infidelity whilst he was a fugitive on the run from murder charges, well, that says it all for me. ;)

JMO. [/*]

Maybe she thought it would be easier to scare Maria away than change her husband. She may have been in alot of denial and she was trying to protect her family. just my opinion

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by s.breda


I think Christina blamed Cesar for all of it, not Maria. imo

I believe she still does, now more then ever. imo [/*]

I don't think so.

If she blamed Cesar for it she wouldn't be confronting Maria asking her why she was doing this to them. It seems according to what Maria told Mary, Christina was most certainly blaming Maria.

imoo

[s.breda]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I don't think so.

If she blamed Cesar for it she wouldn't be confronting Maria asking her why she was doing this to them. It seems according to what Maria told Mary, Christina was most certainly blaming Maria.

imoo [/*]


Christina "confronted" Maria one time shortly after she found out about the pregnancy. It wasn't much of a confrontation.

It has been used over and over again to show Christins's RAGE. It takes much more then that to show RAGE.

jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by LaMancha


Maybe she thought it would be easier to scare Maria away than change her husband. She may have been in alot of denial and she was trying to protect her family. just my opinion [/*]

Yes, that is a possibility. I've seen a few of those women who try to tell the WOMAN what to do instead of reigning in their (or so they think) man. ;)

I have seen some women get really nuts doing it too. :chicken:

jmo

[strick10]

Originally posted by s.breda



Christina "confronted" Maria one time shortly after she found out about the pregnancy. It wasn't much of a confrontation.

It has been used over and over again to show Christins's RAGE. It takes much more then that to show RAGE.

jmo [/*]

Rage? Nah, if in fact this confrontation did happen I see it more as an outburst. Kind of idiotic for Christina to do if you ask me, with the MPO issued against Cesar and Maria tenatively being able to recognize her.....

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I don't think so.

If she blamed Cesar for it she wouldn't be confronting Maria asking her why she was doing this to them. It seems according to what Maria told Mary, Christina was most certainly blaming Maria.

imoo [/*]
Also, if she only blamed Cesar she would have informed the LE the minute she heard from him, which she didn't.

She didn't do as requested by the LE to inform them, she continued communicating and probably still would be if the communications hadn't been traced.

[Babes]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Mornin' Babes, I haven't given much thought to this because she was at his party and she allegedly returned to their home.

What would you base that theory of being separated on?

jmo:seeya: [/*]

Hi Candy

I think they are separated base on what the neighbor said that they didnt see Christina on the first weeks of December in the Laurean's house. I think she's staying with her sister, Amber. And i think that she went to the party to surprise Cesar . IMO Cesar doesnt know that she'll be attending a party. When Cesar learned on the last minute that Christina is going to the party - he didnt go - he also called Maria to tell her that Christina is coming. Maria was planning to attend that party ( based on what she told her mom ) - Maria became upset upon learning that Christina is attending the party and possibly going to go back at Cesar's house for good so they ( Cesar and Maria) planned on the last minute to just leave and go to El Paso. Christina returned home because she's upset that Cesar isnt at the party and she look stupid going there by herself without him. IMO.

Why would Maria go to Cesar's house if Christina can be there any minute? It means she knew Christina's not there for couple days already.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Babes


Hi Candy

I think they are separated base on what the neighbor said that they didnt see Christina on the first weeks of December in the Laurean's house. I think she's staying with her sister, Amber. And i think that she went to the party to surprise Cesar . IMO Cesar doesnt know that she'll be attending a party. When Cesar learned on the last minute that Christina is going to the party - he didnt go - he also called Maria to tell her that Christina is coming. Maria was planning to attend that party ( based on what she told her mom ) - Maria became upset upon learning that Christina is attending the party and possibly going to go back at Cesar's house for good so they ( Cesar and Maria) planned on the last minute to just leave and go to El Paso. Christina returned home because she's upset that Cesar isnt at the party and she look stupid going there by herself without him. IMO.

Why would Maria go to Cesar's house if Christina can be there any minute? It means she knew Christina's not there for couple days already. [/*]

Thanks for explaining Babes. That scenario would make sense if she wasn't staying in the home. I don't know how reliable Wanda (baiting Cryme out of seclusion) is or was, so for all we know she could have thought she saw the car, but it really wasn't there and your scenario would be a fit IMO.

Those cell records have to tell a story IMO and I am dying to know how many times Christina called Cesar while she was at HIS PARTY??????:o

I think some of us have surmised that if the "relationship" or allegations were a stumbling block for Cesar and Christina, then YES RAGE WOULD HAVE BUILT UP in those hours she was at the party. IT will depend on whether he was expected to show or not IMO. I have never heard of a military wife going to a party when her hubby is the AD one and everything just being OK. She had to stick out like a sore thumb and his superior must have noticed and asked questions IMO.

ALL JMO.:patriot:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I agree. In this day and age, we all screen our calls - even from family. Sometimes I just don't feel like talking.... [/*]

If your pregnant daughter had been punched in the face? Harrassed? Car keyed? Raped? :eek:

[Babes]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Thanks for explaining Babes. That scenario would make sense if she wasn't staying in the home. I don't know how reliable Wanda (baiting Cryme out of seclusion) is or was, so for all we know she could have thought she saw the car, but it really wasn't there and your scenario would be a fit IMO.

Those cell records have to tell a story IMO and I am dying to know how many times Christina called Cesar while she was at HIS PARTY??????:o

I think some of us have surmised that if the "relationship" or allegations were a stumbling block for Cesar and Christina, then YES RAGE WOULD HAVE BUILT UP in those hours she was at the party. IT will depend on whether he was expected to show or not IMO. I have never heard of a military wife going to a party when her hubby is the AD one and everything just being OK. She had to stick out like a sore thumb and his superior must have noticed and asked questions IMO.

ALL JMO.:patriot: [/*]

I made that theory since we asked mllion times - Why will Maria go to Cesar's house and Christina can be there any minute - It is nonsense specially if Christina just called her a "*" outside a grocery store

[IvySterling]

~snipped
Originally posted by Babes
I think they are separated base on what the neighbor said that they didnt see Christina on the first weeks of December in the Laurean's house. I think she's staying with her sister, Amber. And i think that she went to the party to surprise Cesar .
[/*]
I had also thought they may have been seperated, but supposedly her car was in their driveway and that would mean Christina would have no transportation to go to work, daycare/babysitter, or the party :shrug:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


There has not been one hint that he had ever cheated on her before

snipped[/*]

Nope. There has been not even a little hint of that.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Also, if she only blamed Cesar she would have informed the LE the minute she heard from him, which she didn't.

She didn't do as requested by the LE to inform them, she continued communicating and probably still would be if the communications hadn't been traced. [/*]

;) Ya think?

I think plans would be underway to meet up in VEGAS BABY! :o

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Babes


I made that theory since we asked mllion times - Why will Maria go to Cesar's house and Christina can be there any minute - It is nonsense specially if Christina just called her a "*" outside a grocery store [/*]

I understand and appreciate you laying out the foundation Babes! :seeya:

I didn't doubt there was logic and reasoning behind your theory and see it as possible if the car was gone too.

jmo

[daniel green]

Originally posted by Charlotte


No apologies necessary, Kathy*Rae.
According to Lindell Kay, Maria's pants were indeed missing altogether and had not been burned off. Also according to him, D. A. Hudson told him that he was surprised that the JDNews was the only outlet that reported it.

IMO [/*]

Where did Kay say that, pls?

TIA

[strick10]

Originally posted by IvySterling
~snipped

I had also thought they may have been seperated, but supposedly her car was in their driveway and that would mean Christina would have no transportation to go to work, daycare/babysitter, or the party :shrug: [/*]

I think they were both living in that house together at that time. She may have just been staying indoors alot. She definately needed her vehicle. Now there is a possibility that Christina may have gone to Ohio during the 1st week in Dec with her sister. Maybe since CAL had gone home in Nov it was Christinas turn to go home for a visit.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by strick10


I think they were both living in that house together at that time. She may have just been staying indoors alot. She definately needed her vehicle. Now there is a possibility that Christina may have gone to Ohio during the 1st week in Dec with her sister. Maybe since CAL had gone home in Nov it was Christinas turn to go home for a visit. [/*]
I failed to mention that I no longer think they were seperated, it was a thought in the beginning, but no longer.

[LaMancha]

Originally posted by strick10


Rage? Nah, if in fact this confrontation did happen I see it more as an outburst. Kind of idiotic for Christina to do if you ask me, with the MPO issued against Cesar and Maria tenatively being able to recognize her..... [/*]

That may have been an isolated incident and christina lost her cool when she saw Maria. just my opinion

[strick10]

Originally posted by LaMancha


That may have been an isolated incident and christina lost her cool when she saw Maria. just my opinion [/*]

Yup. If Christina was out of control then she would have been possibly stalking Maria and striking every minute she could. I haven't heard of anything else regarding Christina facing off with Maria so IMO it was a one time thing.

[Babes]

Originally posted by IvySterling
~snipped

I had also thought they may have been seperated, but supposedly her car was in their driveway and that would mean Christina would have no transportation to go to work, daycare/babysitter, or the party :shrug: [/*]

Ive'd read one post by someone somewhere that Christina's car isnt there in the first weeks of december and they saw Maria's car parking on where Christina used to park. ( It was a post by another poster so we'll take it with a grain of salt )

[Babes]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I understand and appreciate you laying out the foundation Babes! :seeya:

I didn't doubt there was logic and reasoning behind your theory and see it as possible if the car was gone too.

jmo [/*]



Thanks also Candy for posting your thoughts and theories on this case. Looks like we shared the same sentiments about this case. :seeya:

[Babes]

Originally posted by IvySterling
~snipped

I had also thought they may have been seperated, but supposedly her car was in their driveway and that would mean Christina would have no transportation to go to work, daycare/babysitter, or the party :shrug: [/*]

Hmmm if she went to Ohio and left her car in the driveway of their house then she'll have no transpo to the party right? How about Tyler Emrick driving her back to the party and the house? That's why maybe she stayed in the party till 7pm because she has no ride home and she waited for Tyler to get off work to pick her up and drive her back home :confused:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by strick10


Yup. If Christina was out of control then she would have been possibly stalking Maria and striking every minute she could. I haven't heard of anything else regarding Christina facing off with Maria so IMO it was a one time thing. [/*]

Hmmm, seems like I remember back when someone (Jenny) posted that she knew of one time when Christina confronted Maria but it was over the phone and it was the first of November. I believe Jenny said that this was right before she and her husband moved to Maryland.

So, you've got Mary saying Christina confronted Maria "during the summer" and you've got Jenny saying Christina called Maria "in November".

Maybe it wasn't just a one time thing?

:shrug:

[strick10]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Hmmm, seems like I remember back when someone (Jenny) posted that she knew of one time when Christina confronted Maria but it was over the phone and it was the first of November. I believe Jenny said that this was right before she and her husband moved to Maryland.

So, you've got Mary saying Christina confronted Maria "during the summer" and you've got Jenny saying Christina called Maria "in November".

Maybe it wasn't just a one time thing?

:shrug: [/*]

Hard to tell cryme. I forgot about Mary and the summer incident. Don't know if it even happened.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by strick10


Yup. If Christina was out of control then she would have been possibly stalking Maria and striking every minute she could. I haven't heard of anything else regarding Christina facing off with Maria so IMO it was a one time thing. [/*]

Totally agree on that.

[LaMancha]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Totally agree on that. [/*]

Christina may have saved her anger for Cesar for when they were alone. She might not have wanted anyone to think they were unhappy. I think that denial can do strange things to a person, including not really seeing things that are in plain sight, and even now she's unsure what to think of him and what has happened. Even if she helped clean up, we don't know what her motivation was and maybe that's why the district attourney isn't pushing it. just my opinion

[caejde]

Originally posted by strick10


Hard to tell cryme. I forgot about Mary and the summer incident. Don't know if it even happened. [/*]

I wonder if it was in the summer after she found out she was pregnant or in the spring right after she reported the rape.

And she never reported to her UVA or VA or NCIS that Christina confronted her. I wonder if she had what would have happened?

[strick10]

Originally posted by caejde


I wonder if it was in the summer after she found out she was pregnant or in the spring right after she reported the rape.

And she never reported to her UVA or VA or NCIS that Christina confronted her. I wonder if she had what would have happened? [/*]

Can't remember if Christina was on active reserve at the time. If she was Christina would've been standing tall had Maria reported it. Possibly a page 11 entry due to the issues with CAL.

[caejde]

Originally posted by strick10


Can't remember if Christina was on active reserve at the time. If she was Christina would've been standing tall had Maria reported it. Possibly a page 11 entry due to the issues with CAL. [/*]

Yea she was active...so you're right she probably would have gotten a page 11.

[baywench]

Originally posted by RiverWalk


Yep. We don't know, but I guess some "assume".

As an aside. How many of "you" get cell phone calls while at work? Do any of "you" screen your calls while working and/or have them sent to voicemail? Just a thought for those that "assume". I work for myself, but I screen all my calls while at work. I am always a professional and can ignore/screen and can call back, but I sure as heck can ignore my youngest sons calls when I'm with a client. I'll call him back. It isn't a difficult task, but yes I SCREEN calls to my cell phone. My bad ... according to some.

:seeya: [/*]

Actually I apologize that my post read like that was a fact. I was answering her question "can anyone else think of a reason" so I posted my answer as another reason and added IMO but upon reading back today it does look like a fact. :punch: to me. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

It has been rumored that Dateline was in the area and talking to some of the individuals involved in LE this week. :shrug: JMO

[martha]

Hi everyone. I have been reading and you all have some very good post on here. CK maybe dateline is going to have a show on about this case. I sure hope so. I would love to hear some up dates on everything. I know the MC and the LE or keeping a whole lot of things away from the news and us. It is taking way to long for me ha. jk I will be glad when we hear something. keep posting ladys I love reading your thoughts.:rose:

[strick10]

Originally posted by martha
Hi everyone. I have been reading and you all have some very good post on here. CK maybe dateline is going to have a show on about this case. I sure hope so. I would love to hear some up dates on everything. I know the MC and the LE or keeping a whole lot of things away from the news and us. It is taking way to long for me ha. jk I will be glad when we hear something. keep posting ladys I love reading your thoughts.:rose: [/*]

You're right about that Martha, we need to hear something new and soon.

[LaMancha]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES
It has been rumored that Dateline was in the area and talking to some of the individuals involved in LE this week. :shrug: JMO [/*]

Maybe they will have something new? Or from a different angle? An update on Cesar's return?

[Charlotte]

quote:
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Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I agree. In this day and age, we all screen our calls - even from family. Sometimes I just don't feel like talking.... [/*]
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Originally posted by daniel green


If your pregnant daughter had been punched in the face? Harrassed? Car keyed? Raped? :eek: [/*]

Who screened their calls after those things had happened? :confused:

The Dayton Daily News article that spoke of Mary Lauterbach screening her calls from Maria mentioned that Mary did so prior to getting the call from Maria alleging that she had been raped. There has never been anything said about Mary continuing to screen Maria's calls after that, AFAIK.

And obviously, she did take that call from Maria as she was leaving the Wal-Mart that day, even after having screened it. That fact is often overlooked. IMO

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by LaMancha


Maybe they will have something new? Or from a different angle? An update on Cesar's return? [/*]
Maybe another episode of Online Sex Predators :shrug:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Charlotte
quote:
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Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I agree. In this day and age, we all screen our calls - even from family. Sometimes I just don't feel like talking.... [/*]
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Who screened their calls after those things had happened? :confused:

The Dayton Daily News article that spoke of Mary Lauterbach screening her calls from Maria mentioned that Mary did so prior to getting the call from Maria alleging that she had been raped. There has never been anything said about Mary continuing to screen Maria's calls after that, AFAIK.

And obviously, she did take that call from Maria as she was leaving the Wal-Mart that day, even after having screened it. That fact is often overlooked. IMO [/*]

Yes, just like the fact she told Mary of only one rape allegation on the phone according to Mary. It took place on April 10th, but she remembered another one later when she reported IMO.

A fact as told by Mary that many often forget. :shrug:

JMO

[Charlotte]

quote:
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Originally posted by Charlotte


No apologies necessary, Kathy*Rae.
According to Lindell Kay, Maria's pants were indeed missing altogether and had not been burned off. Also according to him, D. A. Hudson told him that he was surprised that the JDNews was the only outlet that reported it.

IMO [/*]
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Originally posted by daniel green


Where did Kay say that, pls?

TIA [/*]

Right here:
http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=160#comment-2780

YW

[baywench]

Originally posted by Charlotte
quote:
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Originally posted by Charlotte


No apologies necessary, Kathy*Rae.
According to Lindell Kay, Maria's pants were indeed missing altogether and had not been burned off. Also according to him, D. A. Hudson told him that he was surprised that the JDNews was the only outlet that reported it.

IMO [/*]
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Right here:
http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=160#comment-2780

YW [/*]

I'm just not sure about this guy's info....I'm trying. JMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by strick10


You're right about that Martha, we need to hear something new and soon. [/*]

Whew, isn't that the truth. :mad:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES
It has been rumored that Dateline was in the area and talking to some of the individuals involved in LE this week. :shrug: JMO [/*]

Not a rumor CK, it's a fact.

Dateline folks met with SB, RS, Det. Cavanagh and Dewey today at the Comfort Suites in lovely downtown New Bern.

No idea when Dateline will air or if it even airs.

jmoo

[martha]

I was just reading that about dateline talking to everyone just about in the le of this case. sounds like they may being trying to get a story togeather on this case. jmho:rose:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by martha
I was just reading that about dateline talking to everyone just about in the le of this case. sounds like they may being trying to get a story together on this case. jmho:rose: [/*]

I sure hope they gather some information we don't already know.

imo:seeya:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I sure hope they gather some information we don't already know.

imo:seeya: [/*]
No kidding, it's been more than slow and some of the questions asked over at OTC still haven't been answered :shrug:

[Charlotte]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Yes, just like the fact she told Mary of only one rape allegation on the phone according to Mary. It took place on April 10th, but she remembered another one later when she reported IMO.

A fact as told by Mary that many often forget. :shrug:

JMO [/*]

I dunno... the MC is now saying that when Maria reported her allegations in May, she told them of two sexual encounters with Laurean -- one in March that she herself told them was consensual, and the other in April that she said was rape. That's in the letter from Lt. Gen. Kramlich to Rep. Turner. Answer #1, paragraph 2.

Was it misreported early on that both instances were claimed by her to be rape? Or did the MC say that very thing at one time, only to say something different now?

If so, why?

Are they re-writing history? Lying? Correcting misinformation? I think the actual number of alleged rapes reported by Maria to anyone concerned needs to be settled before anyone further uses supposed facts as ammunition against a grieving mother.

Right now, the MC is stating to a member of Congress that Maria reported one sexual assualt.

Kinda like what you said her mother recalls Maria telling her on the phone, no? ;)

JMO

[martha]

Originally posted by s.breda


I never became so upset I ripped my clothes off from the waist down at the first sign of labor pains or my water breaking. Not even with my first child.

LE has said Christina was not involved in the murder or cover up, so who else could have walked in? [/*] no that don;t sound right when my water broke I was not having any pains.I shaved my legs and got ready for when they did start and I had to go to the hosp ha dry birth is awful and takes a very long time jmho:rose:

[Babes]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I sure hope they gather some information we don't already know.

imo:seeya: [/*]

Ive'd heard they want to interview the cooperating witness too :tongue:

[Babes]

Originally posted by martha
I was just reading that about dateline talking to everyone just about in the le of this case. sounds like they may being trying to get a story togeather on this case. jmho:rose: [/*]

Ive'd also heard that they wanna go to Mexico to get a scoop from Cesar about "proof" and "i loved her" - They have money to travel for sure - I am looking forward on this

[chance]

Originally posted by baywench


I'm just not sure about this guy's info....I'm trying. JMO [/*]


I don't think this guy would risk his career giving false info. JMO.

I tend to believe him. Yeah he may be grand standing to improve his career, but I doubt he would put it all on the line for a bunch of internet posters!

moo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Babes


Ive'd heard they want to interview the cooperating witness too :tongue: [/*]

:biggrin: Oooooh I just bet they would love that.:tongue:

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by chance



I don't think this guy would risk his career giving false info. JMO.

I tend to believe him. Yeah he may be grand standing to improve his career, but I doubt he would put it all on the line for a bunch of internet posters!

moo [/*]

Who really knows. I guess it is according to how reliable his sources are on a certain piece of information.

The one thing I have grown somewhat tired of though is he puts out hints and then never mentions them again.

He said that he would be telling us who went to Mexico, well that has been over a week and a half ago and nuttin.

Then he said he was going to talk to the ME, Dr. Garrett and tell us what he said. Never followed up on that either.

imoo

[Calla]

Only posting to say..

The missing pants tale could lead right back to the graphic description given early on by a nurse who said even after the mother is dead, for several minutes the fetus will be moving inside the womb as it loses oxygen....that could explain the pants being removed, but there could very well be other explanations for it.
My mind goes right to "being caught with your pants down".

This case will not let me rest. I have stayed off the boards and now I have developed TMJ:(

I need to go say my prayers

[martha]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


:biggrin: Oooooh I just bet they would love that.:tongue:

imoo [/*] Ha I bet he would love that. I think she has been told to keep her mouth shut by her lawyers. Most lawyers don;t want you to do any talking if they or resp you. I do think they or trying to work up a show on this case tho. jmho:rose:

[martha]

Originally posted by martha
Ha I bet he would love that. I think she has been told to keep her mouth shut by her lawyers. Most lawyers don;t want you to do any talking if they or resp you. I do think they or trying to work up a show on this case tho. jmho:rose: [/*] I think we all have a prob staying off this board just hoping we will hear something about this case. caught with your pants down has been around a long time ha :rose:

[martha]

Originally posted by martha
I think we all have a prob staying off this board just hoping we will hear something about this case. caught with your pants down has been around a long time ha :rose: [/*]sorry I did not mean to quote my self pushed wrong button need to stop now
sleep might help me ha

[martha]

sorry something wrong

[Calla]

Originally posted by martha
sorry something wrong [/*]


sumthin vewy vewy wong:D

[martha]

:o

[chance]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Who really knows. I guess it is according to how reliable his sources are on a certain piece of information.

The one thing I have grown somewhat tired of though is he puts out hints and then never mentions them again.

He said that he would be telling us who went to Mexico, well that has been over a week and a half ago and nuttin.

Then he said he was going to talk to the ME, Dr. Garrett and tell us what he said. Never followed up on that either.

imoo [/*]

IMO that is why I find him credible. He is not putting anything out as fact unless it is.
About the hints I think if he is onto something, but he needs permission to print it. He has said LE has asked him to hold off on reporting certain things.

Again I don't think he is going to risk his career for internet posters.

moo

[martha]

Originally posted by Calla



sumthin vewy vewy wong:D [/*]Yep I am whats wronghammer you all have a good night see you all tomorrow

[alter ego]

Originally posted by chance



I don't think this guy would risk his career giving false info. JMO.

I tend to believe him. Yeah he may be grand standing to improve his career, but I doubt he would put it all on the line for a bunch of internet posters!

moo [/*]I don't recall LE ever doing that before and find it a bit unsettling.

And unprofessional.

[chance]

Originally posted by alter ego
I don't recall LE ever doing that before and find it a bit unsettling.

And unprofessional. [/*]

Lindell Kay is not LE.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by chance


Lindell Kay is not LE. [/*]My bad. I was thinking of RS.

:o