Attorney General watch

[Serendipitous1]

Sorry, I don't agree, and I think he's been a lot more willing to consider this as a murder than most of the rest of the press. Here he is reporting what RFG's friends/co-workers feel regarding the disappearance. This explains a lot of the current situation.

One of the terms I've heard about the case is, "There is no evidence of a crime." That, coupled with the belief, in some cases "from the start," that RFG walked away, explains the attitude of local LE.

Is that correct. Well, I raised the odds on walkaway a whole 1%. It still comes down to if RFG had the means to get out of Lewisburg, at least for me.It has never come down to means...that is the least important detail in an intentional disappearance theory. What has always been lacking though is motive. You cannot have a living Ray Gricar without a fabulous explanation. And there is none, to date. That is why I wonder just how pernicious PB is now willing to be.

[J. J. in Phila]

You are wrong. It IS a matter of vital state interest. Even if he disappeared himself, which is not illegal, it is still necessary for the state to investigate the matter to its logical conclusion.

It is only necessarily to establish the likelihood that he walked away.

[Serendipitous1]

It is only necessarily to establish the likelihood that he walked away.Wrong again! You may be satisfied when and if you and your compatriot have "figured it out". I will wait on the official "box score"...because, while there is some comfort in knowing that this episode has not been repeated in 3-plus years, there is still the substantial question as to what actually occurred in this case. There has yet to be even one suggestion of a reason why Ray Gricar would choose to disappear himself...not one.

[J. J. in Phila]

Wrong again! You may be satisfied when and if you and your compatriot have "figured it out". I will wait on the official "box score"...because, while there is some comfort in knowing that this episode has not been repeated in 3-plus years, there is still the substantial question as to what actually occurred in this case. There has yet to be even one suggestion of a reason why Ray Gricar would choose to disappear himself...not one.

I have no idea who my "compatriot" is, or what you've assumed that I've figured out. I'm discussing the seeming lack of investigation; that was after T's post.

Last week, one option was suggested, **They think he walked away.** Now we some reasons why someone could reach that conclusion.

Now, I'll ask you several questions:

1. Was it claimed that the reason RFG put the Mini in PEF name was to protect that asset in the event of a lawsuit?

2. In the ten years prior to RFG disappearing, was he ever the defendant in a lawsuit?

3. Are there any seemingly missing assets?

Ah, you might not like the answer.

[Serendipitous1]

I welcome any incontrovertible evidence. But you, and your compatriot, offer NONE! You are just guessing...like the rest of us. Who are THEY? Are there missing assets? Is there any reason whatsoever why Ray Gricar would have intentionally disappeared himself?

[J. J. in Phila]

I welcome any incontrovertible evidence. But you, and your compatriot, offer NONE! You are just guessing...like the rest of us. Who are THEY? Are there missing assets? Is there any reason whatsoever why Ray Gricar would have intentionally disappeared himself?

One is Sloane, identified.

I'll ask again:

Now, I'll ask you several questions:

1. Was it claimed that the reason RFG put the Mini in PEF name was to protect that asset in the event of a lawsuit?

2. In the ten years prior to RFG disappearing, was he ever the defendant in a lawsuit?

3. Are there any seemingly missing assets?

[Serendipitous1]

Where is Sloane's (or anyone else's) quote to the affect that it is their belief that Ray Gricar intentionally walked away?

[J. J. in Phila]

Where is Sloane's (or anyone else's) quote to the affect that it is their belief that Ray Gricar intentionally walked away?

It's been reported, by a reputable source. That is sufficient. We've never needed quotes before, only repeated requests for friends/coworkers to speak out. Now that they are, you don't seem to like the results.

Now, why are avoiding these questions:

1. Was it claimed that the reason RFG put the Mini in PEF name was to protect that asset in the event of a lawsuit?

2. In the ten years prior to RFG disappearing, was he ever the defendant in a lawsuit?

3. Are there any seemingly missing assets?

[Serendipitous1]

You do not seem to like the fact that Morganelli (as promised) will address the problem, if elected, at the state level. As to your "loaded" questions...go fish. I am content to know that there is actually someone of importance who gives a damn what happened to Ray Gricar.

[J. J. in Phila]

You do not seem to like the fact that Morganelli (as promised) will address the problem, if elected, at the state level. As to your "loaded" questions...go fish. I am content to know that there is actually someone of importance who gives a damn what happened to Ray Gricar.

No, I just think Morganelli was about 30 days too late, and not a particularly specific response, from what's been posted so far. There may be more.

My questions are not loaded, but I do find it interesting that you are not answering them, especially with your talk of "why." They are not hard, and have been discussed on the board in the past.

[Serendipitous1]

No, I just think Morganelli was about 30 days too late, and not a particularly specific response, from what's been posted so far. There may be more.

My questions are not loaded, but I do find it interesting that you are not answering them, especially with your talk of "why." They are not hard, and have been discussed on the board in the past.Nonsense. I suggest that you pose your questions to Morganelli. He is RG's last, best chance.

I could answer any question you might pose. But what would my answer mean? It would just be my less-than-informed opinion. You and PB seem to be sympatico. So tell us why you (or PB) believe Ray Gricar would intentionally abandon his family.

[sherrijean981]

Madeira drags his feet, crying "foul" [go figure], but did add that the hard drive is still being searched for information.

http://wearecentralpa.com/content/fulltext/?cid=29991


My question is why would Mr. Madeira even say anything about Morganelli's plan to have a "cold case unit" if it helps with RG's case and many others in the state. It should have been there already.

What little tricks did Mr. Madeira use when he was running for office. I am quit sure there were promises made and he hasn't quite put himself in RG's shoes yet. He is too busy cleaning up the Penn State football teams messes and warning them to behave themselves.

I think Centre County picked the wrong DA, when they voted between Madeira and Karen Arnold. At least we know she would have fought to have the AG in Centre County and every other law enforcement.

[J. J. in Phila]

My question is why would Mr. Madeira even say anything about Morganelli's plan to have a "cold case unit" if it helps with RG's case and many others in the state. It should have been there already.



I think it's a good idea, but I'll wait to her JM's remarks. I think he's already lost, unforntunately.


I think Centre County picked the wrong DA, when they voted between Madeira and Karen Arnold. At least we know she would have fought to have the AG in Centre County and every other law enforcement.

I don't know about that; she wasn't vocal in the campaign and she didn't say, **This is what the AG/DA/PSP/BPD should do.** I frankly wish she would

[J. J. in Phila]

I think his point is good, but even with what he plans, in might not do any good regarding the RFG case. He's not claiming the conflict of interest, and he's not talking about any plan to "take over" the case, if elected.

[Serendipitous1]

Morganelli was on WKOK's "On the Mark" program this morning. It should be available to listen to at
http://www.wqkx.com/1070_WKOK/OTM.htm . It was mostly a rehash of his speech on the courthouse steps yesterday. But there were two things...and I am not sure I correctly interpreted them.

The first thing was that Morganelli seemed to emphasize 'unsolved murders' in regard to his proposed Cold Case Unit. And the second thing was that there may be some new information...and that this case might be solved before the election.

Someone else listen to the program and let me know what you think.

[Cloudbuster]

Morganelli was on WKOK's "On the Mark" program this morning. It should be available to listen to at
http://www.wqkx.com/1070_WKOK/OTM.htm . It was mostly a rehash of his speech on the courthouse steps yesterday. But there were two things...and I am not sure I correctly interpreted them.

The first thing was that Morganelli seemed to emphasize 'unsolved murders' in regard to his proposed Cold Case Unit. And the second thing was that there may be some new information...and that this case might be solved before the election.

Someone else listen to the program and let me know what you think.

I listened to the show S1 and Morganelli said "he hopes the case is solved before he gets in". It seemed like it could be by the way he said it. He also spoke of a cold case unit with a few investagators getting some of these cold cases solved starting with Ray's case :). He also spoke of a grand jury being coupled up with this cold case unit that could bring in people for questioning AND including any witnesses.
He talked about smaller areas not having the grand jury option and he thinks those two things would help get some of these cases solved.

JJ I don't think Morganelli is pushing hard for TC to take over the case because think about it JM was a friend of Ray's and he knows TC didn't like RG. The case would most likely sit. Now you have MM a co worker and friend of TC in charge of the Gricar case. Thats why you see the same thing happening, which is nothing. I also think that is why PB is saying Rickard is the best hope for the case. Rickard worked under RG long before he worked under MM. Maybe Rickard will be able to solve this. Let the dice be rolled.;)

[Serendipitous1]

Thanks Cloudbuster. When I heard him talk about staffing the unit with experienced homicide investigators, to try and solve cold cases like RG's...then saying he thought, or hoped, RG's case might be solved before the election, I figured he was trying to say something more. Probably nothing though.

[Cinderella]

Morganelli was on WKOK's "On the Mark" program this morning. It should be available to listen to at
http://www.wqkx.com/1070_WKOK/OTM.htm . It was mostly a rehash of his speech on the courthouse steps yesterday. But there were two things...and I am not sure I correctly interpreted them.

The first thing was that Morganelli seemed to emphasize 'unsolved murders' in regard to his proposed Cold Case Unit. And the second thing was that there may be some new information...and that this case might be solved before the election.

Someone else listen to the program and let me know what you think.


Thanks for putting up the link, S1. I really hate politics, but this man talks the way that I feel about the issues. He seems as if he would be a great change for the better for Pennsylvania Attorney General. Unlike Tom Corbett, Morganelli seems to be in tune with the real folks. He is not my party, but I can and will still vote for him. He is very down to earth and appears to be interested in how the people feel. He is really in touch with the citizen. Change can happen, but we the people have to make it happen. I am going to tell everyone that I know about Morganelli and his run for Attorney General of Pa.

I don't think that he mentioned anything about Ray's case being any different, but that he hoped that the case would be solved before he takes office. I agree. It is about time, someone listened to the citizens. We vote people in and we can vote people out. For me, Tom Corbett is on his way out. He has turned my stomach pertaining to doing anything to help the Ray Gricar Case. barf

[J. J. in Phila]

The first thing was that Morganelli seemed to emphasize 'unsolved murders' in regard to his proposed Cold Case Unit. And the second thing was that there may be some new information...and that this case might be solved before the election.

Someone else listen to the program and let me know what you think.

I think he was talking about serious crimes.

He also mentioned progress, which could refer to Kroll, who are still working on it. My guess is that they are retrieving data.

[Serendipitous1]

Morganelli's speech in Bellefonte:
http://lehighvalleyramblings.blogspot.com/2008/09/john-morganelli-case-of-missing-da.html

He talked about forming a Cold Case Homicide Unit within the AG’s office, comprised of experienced homicide investigators, and that RG's case would be the unit's first assignment. He promised to exhaust every possible lead in this investigation.

All well and good. The unit would (by law) have the PSP at its disposal, and should easily be able to 'persuade' MM and the BPD to cooperate. The law prevents the AG from superceding the DA in a criminal prosecution or proceeding in a county court, with several exceptions (including the one bandied around for the last 3+ years). But there appears to be nothing in the law preventing the AG's office from conducting an investigation, with or without the cooperation of the local DA.

Then Morganelli went on to say the unit will use state resources to attempt to solve difficult cases, and also to furnish local authorities with the extra resources, funds, manpower, and technical assistance needed to solve long-outstanding cases of murder or suspected murder.

Now, to me, those seem like two different things. And, from what we have been told, the latter has already been done...although perhaps not to the extent JM envisions. So I wonder if this unit would direct the (or an) RG investigation, with the BPD cooperating (hopefully) but not leading it. Or would this unit supply one or more full-time state investigators, advising but not leading the BPD's investigation? In other words, would Morganelli's plan really change anything?

[J. J. in Phila]

The blog comments are absolutely brutal. :(

I'm not happy, because on the merits, Morganelli has a good idea.

[Serendipitous1]

JM barnstormed through Montour, Centre, Clinton, Lycoming, Union, Sullivan, Northumberland and Bradford counties, accompanied by Bob Buehner, who endorsed him at a stop in Danville, and also aided by Ted McKnight.
http://www.johnmorganelli.com/

That's nice. Had I known JM was coming to visit, I would have broken out a pitcher of day2day's sweet tea. As it was, I had to go searching the blogosphere after the fact to find his 'unadulterated' message. Maybe JM's Gricar position paper will appear on his campaign website soon.

Like PB, I am less than enthused with what I have heard so far from JM. But unlike PB, I am thoroughly disgusted with TC's attitude...and I still have my PA voter card!

[sherrijean981]

I have my doubts about what has or hasn't been done, particularly after the fingerprint issue, the failure to follow up on leads, such as the couple spoken of by McKnight, the failure to find out about Kroll until someone else dropped it in their lap, and the failure to even answer Buehner's letter. BPD has had 3.5 years to move on the case.

A 'cold case unit' with no local ties sounds like a fresh start, IF BPD is not permitted to hold the reins, and the 'cold case unit' is under the directive of the AG's office. Here are the typical 'specs' on such a unit.

http://www.ncjrs.gov/html/bja/coldcasesquads/bja2.html

I also recently read about a 'cold case unit' comprised of highly respected, retired detectives, in different areas, who are working to solve cases that are decades old.

Experienced 'fresh eyes' may be beneficial........

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/07/cold_case_squad_reexamines_uns.html

Solving the cold case.........

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080707/NEWS/807070346


Did you notice the on the second link that one of the contacts was the Prosecutor in Cuyahoga County, OH (where RG had worked when in OH?

[J. J. in Phila]

The stumbling block in this was was never TC. It has been MM.

[gstickley]

The stumbling block in this was was never TC. It has been MM.

Just Gricar
Submitted by Just Gricar on Tue, 2008-09-16 13:47.

(snip)
I'll also explain why I believe Centre County District Attorney Michael Madeira and Bellefonte police Chief Shawn Weaver have done everything in their power to find Gricar.
(snip)

"Stumbling block" . . or . . . "done everything in their power"???????????

[J. J. in Phila]

Just Gricar
Submitted by Just Gricar on Tue, 2008-09-16 13:47.

(snip)
I'll also explain why I believe Centre County District Attorney Michael Madeira and Bellefonte police Chief Shawn Weaver have done everything in their power to find Gricar.
(snip)

"Stumbling block" . . or . . . "done everything in their power"???????????


I don't always agree with PB and this in one case. :)

With Madeira has said a grand jury is a bad idea, Buehner and now Morganelli have not; I agree with the latter two. If Corbett wins in a landslide, Madeira still could call one.

[sherrijean981]

Thanks for pointing that out, SJ. Maybe they could offer some advise in how to successfully set up a PA Cold Case Unit.

In looking at the methods being used to solve cold cases, I also found this interesting method in Florida, with the use of 'playing cards' in prison. Considering the possibility someone may know something, it shouldn't be viewed as a waste of time or effort when it comes to solving cold cases. If it works in one area, no reason not to try it in PA, IMO. A constant reminder in the minds of prisoners, who may have overheard or know something, can't hurt, and may help.

http://www.panhandleparade.com/index.php/mbb/article/new_cold_case_playing_cards/mbb779605/


Maybe you should send the above link to John Morganelli for his use when he gets in office, to help with his cold cases.

I have heard of cards being used in other areas. Hadn't the President used them after 9-11?

[J. J. in Phila]

I have heard of cards being used in other areas. Hadn't the President used them after 9-11?

Cards were used in Iraq.

[Serendipitous1]

TC successfully stalled the Bonusgate probe...
http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/articles/2008/09/23/news/sc_times_trib.20080923.a.pg9.tt23corbett_s1.196387 7_loc.txt

and got rewarded...bigtime.
http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080923/NEWS/80923007

Disclaimer: Any connection between the two must be purely coincidental.

TC refused to show any leadership or interest in the investigation of the mysterious disappearance of a representative of the state.

MM, his former senior deputy, got rewarded. And, since being elected district attorney, MM has refused repeated requests to refer the case to TC...despite glaring deficiencies in the investigation and the potential for a conflict of interest to exist in his office.

Disclaimer: Any connection must be purely coincidental.

:biggrin:

[Cloudbuster]

I agree with Rendell the voters should know before voting. Yea I know the timing of the work isn't ready???? Or is it we can know after the voting goes down and it's to late. Or is it that TC might lose some Republican voters? Let me guess eny meny money mo???? Hmmm it's a toss up but either way it isn't right.:shrug:

They say the earth is going thru some kind of great cleansing right now and that we need to go thru all this negative stuff as it's happening. I believe it and wish the suds would hurry up and soak up the political corr:patriot:uption.

[Serendipitous1]

Corbett Talks Morganelli, GOP
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20168230&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8

TC said that JM thinks the AG should tell DAs what to do. He wants a cold-case homicide squad within the AG's office, "but we don't do homicides unless they are referred to us by DAs. He'll mislead everyone about that, but if he were truly serious, he would have created one in his own office." MOO - and why is it that MS and MM refused to refer the RG case to the AG's office? I know, I know...the AGO gave them every assistance they asked for, and we would not want the AG to interlope in their search for an 'intentional walkaway'.

Last election, TC lost big in Philly and early news reports gave his opponent an apparent victory. But that changed as the vote came in from the central "T" and western PA. That is still part of TC's strategy. MOO - But it is a different state politically this election. And if the voters can look at TC's past 4 years of accomplishments, they can also consider the past 4 years of TC's failures.

[psunate77]

I am supporting Morganelli cause I think after the last 4 years we need change all away around. Corbett has done some good stuff, but also alot of negatives.

1) Ignoring the Gricar case.

2) Only investigating Dems in the Bonusgate. Dems did it, but so did Repubs. Don't OAG need to be bi-partisan when dealing with corruption and crime?

3) It is said he is using taxpayers money for ad campaigns.

[J. J. in Phila]

TC's commercials are "public service spots," supposedly, but still generate publicity.

JM has been running commercials in Phila since the beginning of the week, but TC has been running them for about a week, and more frequently. His are more professionally produced.

[Serendipitous1]

Farmers endorse TC...and we would not want to piss-off those who feed us. Nevermind they want to be able to plow toxic human sludge into their fields...feeding the food we eat and the water we drink.

Pick another fiasco then - DeNaples and legalized gambling...a match made in heaven (or back rooms); or Bonusgate...the investigation continues...those Democrats are the worst, but give us another 4 years and maybe we will get to some Republicans; or Gricar...we cannot do anything unless the DA asks us to...and besides, we cannot do any more than the local borough police department has done.

Same AG...same arrogance. Time for a new AG. My opinion.

[Laws]

Really hoping for the citizens of PA that they vote these partisan politicians OUT & get their state back.

An example is that my county 2 years almost ago voted out an established District Attorney who had lost his passion. We got in a new District Attorney & one of the first things he did was require that all staff working for the country District Attorney's Office VOLUNTEER 30 hours a year to a non-profit organization within the community, all contact with these organizations under the prior District Attorney was done on COUNTY PAID TIME. Well due to the change by our NEW District Attorney he was then in position to hire 10 additional Prosecutor's & maintain the same budget. This type of innovative & passion is just what our country & communities need. Enough with the sitting back, having cushy jobs, the people supporting these entities don't have cushy jobs, why should those that they support? They shouldn't. No publicly elected official should be picking & choosing the cases that they pursue based on political affiliation of the "good ole boys club" of looking the other way cuz the guy that disappeared wasn't a croney & was a faithful & dedicated public servant who was clean & not a dirty political hack.

IMO, this should have been a fairly clean & solved crime & wasn't due to an obvious corrupt environment filled with cronyism & due to Ray Gricar's not having been born there he was treated like an outsider despite his dedication to the county & it's citizens, he was treated like trash ------- disposable. Ray Gricar deserved far better & those that were given a pass deserve to have their actions brought forward by those possessing objectivity & wisdom to hold accountable the
criminal(s) in a court of law. Ray Gricar deserved to be treated with respect.

IMO, you don't get to dispose of someone due to previous rejections. IMO, Ray Gricar was done away with by a sociopath who got a pass.

[ladyheartfixer]

in my area of the state (NW quad to be exact) there are TC signs all over the place...not one for Morganelli...I would say that Mr Average Joe in this area doesn't even know TC has someone running against him...and that is sad at this time of the campaign...no o ne has even been in this area to talk about Morganelli

[psunate77]

I thought JM dropped out, but found out a month ago he was still running. I agree he has no signs out at all, no ads at all in the Western part of Pa at least.

I will be voting for him, but I think TC wins in a landslide. Probably by at least 40%

[J. J. in Phila]

I thought JM dropped out, but found out a month ago he was still running. I agree he has no signs out at all, no ads at all in the Western part of Pa at least.

I will be voting for him, but I think TC wins in a landslide. Probably by at least 40%

How I'm voting and who will win are two different things.

[Serendipitous1]

How I'm voting and who will win are two different things.Rendell says Obama could help other Pennsylvania Democrats
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08295/921636-100.stm

[J. J. in Phila]

Rendell says Obama could help other Pennsylvania Democrats
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08295/921636-100.stm

Mutha says his district is full of "rednecks" that won't be voting Democratic this time.

[Serendipitous1]

Corbett was in Lewisburg today, taking credit for busting up another heroin ring.
http://www.dailyitem.com/0100_news/local_story_296085914.html

He was to have been the guest for the whole hour on WKOK's "On the Mark" this morning, but only gave a few minutes...to knock Buehner over the Gricar investigation flap, slam Morganelli for anything and everything, etc., etc. (nothing new).

[sherrijean981]

Corbett was in Lewisburg today, taking credit for busting up another heroin ring.
http://www.dailyitem.com/0100_news/local_story_296085914.html

He was to have been the guest for the whole hour on WKOK's "On the Mark" this morning, but only gave a few minutes...to knock Buehner over the Gricar investigation flap, slam Morganelli for anything and everything, etc., etc. (nothing new).


That was a 3 year investigation in Union County, which means it was going on in 2005. I wonder if it was part of the 2003-2005 investigation?

I think it is amazing the amount of people out there dealing drugs, selling guns, and would think the amount of people buying and using must be in the thousands. You would think with the economy being what it is they wouldn't have the money to put out on drugs, but then again they live like bums to do it, going without food and living with each other or on the streets. A vicious circle!

Speaking of the elections, my phone has been ringing off the hook the last month, with multiple calls from Rendell, Morganelli, Corbette, Obama and McCain, plus numerous polls. Everyday my mail has 2 or 3 postcards from both Democrats and Republicans.

[Cloudbuster]

Corbett was in Lewisburg today, taking credit for busting up another heroin ring.
http://www.dailyitem.com/0100_news/local_story_296085914.html

He was to have been the guest for the whole hour on WKOK's "On the Mark" this morning, but only gave a few minutes...to knock Buehner over the Gricar investigation flap, slam Morganelli for anything and everything, etc., etc. (nothing new).

In the beginning of article it says investagation started 3 years ago and later says 2 years? Funny how so much drugs are even in amish country places like Lewisburg. Thanks S1 for putting up the story it is interesting!!!:rose:

[Cloudbuster]

In this case, probably accurate.
He finally did it JJ--yep he finally told the truthhhh lol. Im really impressed.barf

[Cloudbuster]

That was a 3 year investigation in Union County, which means it was going on in 2005. I wonder if it was part of the 2003-2005 investigation?

I think it is amazing the amount of people out there dealing drugs, selling guns, and would think the amount of people buying and using must be in the thousands. You would think with the economy being what it is they wouldn't have the money to put out on drugs, but then again they live like bums to do it, going without food and living with each other or on the streets. A vicious circle!

Speaking of the elections, my phone has been ringing off the hook the last month, with multiple calls from Rendell, Morganelli, Corbette, Obama and McCain, plus numerous polls. Everyday my mail has 2 or 3 postcards from both Democrats and Republicans.

SJ I gotta agree with you. I had 2 people near and dear to me that got hooked on the drugs and yep the biggy (POPPY). The men will steal metal and rob car washes and car steros. Break in to pharmacy's and any easy target store. They become brave when there going thru what they call JIBBIN. The ladies are very resourceful -yep they will sell their body if they have to and anything in their home including their kids Xbox ect. They will steal even from their mother all to advoid withdraw named Jibbin. These people are not to blame it's those bringing it in accross the borders. Those that got caught are all users and sell to keep up their habit to avoid Jibbin. Jibbin makes you a slave to the opiate. The opiate once attached to the brain will remain. You could get off it and get a craving even 10 years later. The real culprit is in our ......... Wonder how many CIA people know all about it?

[sherrijean981]

We were talking a couple times about different people in the State College area that were involved in some of the drug dealings that were being looked for. We could never find the one man and his name was in a couple of the dealings.

He was found and he was sentenced for his dirty dealings:


http://www.centredaily.com/news/breaking_news/story/915471.html

[sherrijean981]

SJ I gotta agree with you. I had 2 people near and dear to me that got hooked on the drugs and yep the biggy (POPPY). The men will steal metal and rob car washes and car steros. Break in to pharmacy's and any easy target store. They become brave when there going thru what they call JIBBIN. The ladies are very resourceful -yep they will sell their body if they have to and anything in their home including their kids Xbox ect. They will steal even from their mother all to advoid withdraw named Jibbin. These people are not to blame it's those bringing it in accross the borders. Those that got caught are all users and sell to keep up their habit to avoid Jibbin. Jibbin makes you a slave to the opiate. The opiate once attached to the brain will remain. You could get off it and get a craving even 10 years later. The real culprit is in our ......... Wonder how many CIA people know all about it?

I don't think all the blame should be on the dealers. People have to start taking responsiblity of their own acctions, and say NO! They know the stuff is no good and it can kill and addict you but they still take it.

[Cloudbuster]

He finally did it JJ--yep he finally told the truthhhh lol. Im really impressed.barf

JJ can you tell me why Murtha came forward 3 times on issues of racism? Did u ever ponder on the idea that he is stirring up the kettle? Then on third talk he mentions finally BUT HE is voting for Obama? He started a firestorm and at the third delivered message nicely states he is voting on Obama. I don't think anyone can see what he is doing, but he is. You know why I know that? BECAUSE HE HAD NO REASON TO OPEN HIS MOUTH!!! Im tellin ya he got folks started on a issue that should never have been brought up UNLESS it was delibertly ment to be. Public is starting about color now. It served it's purpose and yea Murtha still looks good cause he is voting for Obama. It's okay though cause Obama seen thru it. After all Pelosi is in with Obama now.:lol:

[Cloudbuster]

[QUOTE=sherrijean981;12327133]I don't think all the blame should be on the dealers. People have to start taking responsiblity of their own acctions, and say NO! They know the stuff is no good and it can kill and addict you but they still take it.[/QUOTE

Yea they should say no but I know of people who just started out for pain reasons and got hooked. I think they need to close of the borders and the ........ bringing it in. If you can't find it then you can't get hooked on it for any reason. You would be surprised who sits all the way at the top. :read:

[J. J. in Phila]

We now know why RFG looked angry in the photo.

http://community.centredaily.com/?q=blog/2

[J. J. in Phila]

Here is the photo from a story:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08106/873326-85.stm

[Serendipitous1]

We now know why RFG looked angry in the photo.
http://community.centredaily.com/?q=blog/2Well I had never given the photos any more importance than RG listening attentively to TC's typical PR BS.
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedimages/image%20gallery/20050330-StateCollegeDrugs/20050330-StateCollegeDrugs2-366x244.jpg
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedimages/image%20gallery/20050330-StateCollegeDrugs/20050330-StateCollegeDrugs5-366x244.jpg
But it seems to me PB's latest information (that TC and RG had a "history") might very well explain TC's MO since...publicly ignoring the disappearance of a sitting DA, even though the possibility exists (to this day) that RG met with foul play in connection with his office.

Way to stand up, TC! ...perfect gubernatorial material!

[gstickley]

Doesn't it make you feel warm & fuzzy all over???
We finally get 'something' about RG from the "best friend", SS; of course, it is through the 'famous reporter' at the CDT (oh, wait, he isn't with the CDT any longer . . . he just 'reports' more now than he ever did when he actually worked with the CDT!), I guess 'something' is better than nuthin'. Wonder why it took 3.5+ years for this extremely important, earth-shaking, bone-shattering, breaking news to hit the press. Guess maybe SS just remembered RG, or maybe he just remembered RG was missing, or maybe he got over his illnesses enough to comment, or . . .

Yep, warm & fuzzy . . .

JMO

[J. J. in Phila]

Doesn't it make you feel warm & fuzzy all over???
We finally get 'something' about RG from the "best friend", SS; of course, it is through the 'famous reporter' at the CDT (oh, wait, he isn't with the CDT any longer . . . he just 'reports' more now than he ever did when he actually worked with the CDT!), I guess 'something' is better than nuthin'. Wonder why it took 3.5+ years for this extremely important, earth-shaking, bone-shattering, breaking news to hit the press. Guess maybe SS just remembered RG, or maybe he just remembered RG was missing, or maybe he got over his illnesses enough to comment, or . . .

Yep, warm & fuzzy . . .

JMO


GS, this has been known for a while; there are things that are known, but unpublished. It is not earth shattering for the RFG case.

[gstickley]

GS, this has been known for a while; there are things that are known, but unpublished. It is not earth shattering for the RFG case.

Woooooo . . . so much 'secret squirrel' stuff for just a 'missing person'!!!!! The 'inner circle' must be getting bored . . .

[Serendipitous1]

Doesn't it make you feel warm & fuzzy all over???
We finally get 'something' about RG from the "best friend", SS; of course, it is through the 'famous reporter' at the CDT (oh, wait, he isn't with the CDT any longer . . . he just 'reports' more now than he ever did when he actually worked with the CDT!), I guess 'something' is better than nuthin'. Wonder why it took 3.5+ years for this extremely important, earth-shaking, bone-shattering, breaking news to hit the press. Guess maybe SS just remembered RG, or maybe he just remembered RG was missing, or maybe he got over his illnesses enough to comment, or . . . Yep, warm & fuzzy . . . JMOHopefully, this (and of course a whole lot more) was available to LE from the beginning. Hopefully, MR is reviewing everything...and is advancing some stuff on his own.

I am mindful of the fact that RG's "friends" are mostly L&O types, and that PB (as a reporter) was limited in what he could make public. The difference now IS time. If RG is still just another missing person, why not disclose more information? PB is doing that, and is apparently pleading for even more from LE.

It is only because of the new information that I made an attempt to offer a scenario...something I have not done in recent years. It may be totally worthless, but it made enough sense to me to put it up.

One caveat though is that LE will not put up anything smacking of foul play; in the absence of an indictment (or any other resolution), we will forever be left to wonder if that theory is even viable. I still have hope that the next AG will advance the investigation...and I do not care if it is a parallel investigation or a cooperative effort.

I care less what actually happened to RG then I do that whatever happened to him becomes known. I will do my part next Tuesday to see to it that the next AG is a "friend" of RG.

If this makes no sense...I am typing between innings (my excuse)...go Phillies!

[Serendipitous1]

Candidates for Pa. AG spar in debate:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PA_ATTORNEY_GENERAL_DEBATE_PAOL-?SITE=WFMZ&SECTION=US&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

For the morbidly curious (personally I would much rather watch a Palin moose hunt)...to be aired on PCN - noon on Thursday and 4:00 p.m. Sunday:
http://www.pcntv.com/thursday.html
http://www.pcntv.com/sunday.html

[Cloudbuster]

I finally am seeing commercials of Morganelli's and unfortunatly TC. Im getting calls up till 9:45 pm about MCcain. I wrote my own prediction down and dated it. Frankly Im for morganelli and Russel. As of MCcain or Obama it's nether. They both signed the bail out bail or was that called socialism bill? Why don't they just say exactly what it is, call a spade a spade, a heart a heart.:patriot:

[J. J. in Phila]

I'll be voting around 2:00 PM and using the total as a measure of statewide turnout.

[Serendipitous1]

This second (and last) debate airs at 7:30 p.m. Monday on WFMZ-TV, Channel 69. "More than once, Morganelli's accusations caused Corbett to sputter in anger."
http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/state/all-a14_5ag.6650717oct30,0,5015242.story

[Cloudbuster]

I got some people near and dear to me that will be voting for Morganelli after I explained some things to them. :rose:

[J. J. in Phila]

Corbett is doing robo-calls that say Morganelli is basically anti-black.

[psunate77]

Corbett will win by 20+ points IMO..

[J. J. in Phila]

I doubt if it will be 20+ points, but he'll kill every place except SE PA.

[Cloudbuster]

I got alot of Morganelli fans here. I also have some RUSSEL fans that will vote form em :):patriot Boy do I hope that Russel wins!!!

[psunate77]

I am not a Murtha fan, but I can't believe people continue to but the B.S Russell sprews. The guy is a Bush person who has lived in PA for a short period of time. Virginia is his #1 interest.

[J. J. in Phila]

I am not a Murtha fan, but I can't believe people continue to but the B.S Russell sprews. The guy is a Bush person who has lived in PA for a short period of time. Virginia is his #1 interest.

Santorum was elected twice.

[psunate77]

Morganelli hung well, but Corbet is really gaining round Western part of the state..

I can't believe Centre County went for Corbett.

Oh Well..

[J. J. in Phila]

I can believe Corbett won Centre County. McCain won it.

[psunate77]

It wouldn't have mattered, but it just the point.

[J. J. in Phila]

There was not a political solution to solving the disappearance of RFG.

[sherrijean981]

Everyone already knew what TC would do about the RG case.
Morganelli was just trying to get our votes by even mentioning RG, there was probably never a real chance he could do anything either.

TC retained his position because he is doing a good job with getting the drug dealers off the streets, and he is putting their takings into the government funds. In our area they have had auctions of their homes and cars confiscated. He has been breaking up gangs of drug dealers since 2005 and investigations went back further.

He has also arrested hundreds of child molesters who work over the internet.

When weighing what he has done and only the promises of what Morganelli supposedly will do, the choice was not hard to make.
I am now waiting to see the list of Republicans that were busted in his government arrests. I am also waiting for the lists to get bigger on both sides because there is still a lot of double dealings going on all around the state.

Prove yourself worthy of being re-elected, Attorney Tom Corbette!

[psunate77]

Corbett is doing a great job getting scum off the street, but in a Dem state, I find it hard to believe people keep forgetting this is the man that abused his power for political reasons when he only prosecuted Dems who took the Bonuses. To me that should be investigated by the US AG Office and not the State AG.

As for Morganelli, He was alot closer the I thought, but still ran a dumb campaign. He used the worst issues to try to get voters. I mean seriously, how many people in the East or West care about the AG investigating the RG case? He should have spent all his time and money on Bonus Gates and equally to the West part of the state where he got steamrolled.

[sherrijean981]

I didn't understand why if he had a list of Republican's also involved with illegal activities they were not prosecuted before the election. Was he protecting those running for an office? Was he worried he wouldn't get the Republican votes fro those on the list?

I changed my party from Republican to Democrat and still voted for him because I did like how he dealt with drug dealers, child abusers, elder abuse, etc. I have grandchildren and ggrandchildren growing up now and I fear for them. All the more TC can get off the street, the better I like it!

Now I expect to see the list of Republicans and any more Democrats he has on that list!

[puzzled]

Are you guys trying to tell me that Tom Corbett was reelected? You have got to be kidding me?hammer

[Cloudbuster]

All my canidates lost.:cuss: If Murtha can cuss so can I lol. Morganelli did pretty good IMO but it wasn't enough. I'd like to see those names Corbett just couldn't list till after the election. It really makes you wonder. I know Russel is a republican and the Bush Ties but at least he didn't take the Lord's name in vain. :shrug:

[Serendipitous1]

<Snip> All my canidates lost.:cuss:I came out about 50-50.

I would have liked to have seen JM be given a shot at solving the Gricar case. He would have continued TC's good programs...and started some new ones. He would have assured that Bonusgate got a "democratic look". Pennsylvanians had a chance to make their own 'historic decision', by electing a democrat as AG...but they wimped out.

TC was not the best choice. He let RG and all citizens of PA down. And he has done it since: "In March 2006 Corbett arrived in Allentown, not Easton, to announce he had washed his hands of a potential criminal prosecution in the killing of Easton police officer Jesse E. Sollman. ...Through it all, Corbett appeared ill-informed and disinterested. He did nothing to remedy problems cited in his report, and left the city and its residents holding the bag."
http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/opinion/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1224993991221080.xml&coll=3

This is not "sour grapes"...just the facts. In his blog today, PB seems to resign himself to the belief that neither TC or JM could have made a difference. I believe otherwise. One man never got the chance...and the other never tried.

I am as done with this thread as I am done with TC. He could have made a difference, but chose not to. He has to live with that, as do all of the others who failed RG...and the public.

[Cloudbuster]

S1 try to hang in here, we can't afford to lose someone that's been here from the start!!! The elections seem to have a depressed element about them. I too wanted JM in there. When Murtha declared his victory me and my SO got into it lol. Elections are troublesome with relationships. My so is lucky I didn't wash the dishes with his hair lol. He agravated me all night about it lol. We need to set the example of not giving up. Let us continue until something surfaces.:rose:

[psunate77]

All my canidates lost.:cuss: If Murtha can cuss so can I lol. Morganelli did pretty good IMO but it wasn't enough. I'd like to see those names Corbett just couldn't list till after the election. It really makes you wonder. I know Russel is a republican and the Bush Ties but at least he didn't take the Lord's name in vain. :shrug:

What did Murtha say that was bad? I am from his area and sadly its very racist. This area is 4-1 Dem and McCain blew Obama away, so Murtha was 100% right.

As for Russell, why would you want a Non-PA Resident who has Bush ties in office?

[psunate77]

I came out about 50-50.

I would have liked to have seen JM be given a shot at solving the Gricar case. He would have continued TC's good programs...and started some new ones. He would have assured that Bonusgate got a "democratic look". Pennsylvanians had a chance to make their own 'historic decision', by electing a democrat as AG...but they wimped out.

TC was not the best choice. He let RG and all citizens of PA down. And he has done it since: "In March 2006 Corbett arrived in Allentown, not Easton, to announce he had washed his hands of a potential criminal prosecution in the killing of Easton police officer Jesse E. Sollman. ...Through it all, Corbett appeared ill-informed and disinterested. He did nothing to remedy problems cited in his report, and left the city and its residents holding the bag."
http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/opinion/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1224993991221080.xml&coll=3

This is not "sour grapes"...just the facts. In his blog today, PB seems to resign himself to the belief that neither TC or JM could have made a difference. I believe otherwise. One man never got the chance...and the other never tried.

I am as done with this thread as I am done with TC. He could have made a difference, but chose not to. He has to live with that, as do all of the others who failed RG...and the public.

If the Gricar case was key, why did Corbett pound Morganelli in Centre County? That case had no barrings on the election. Morganelli should have did everything on the Bogus Gate, especially in a Dem state.

[sherrijean981]

Everyone is forgetting about the "fence sitters". I think there were a lot more waiting until the day of the elections to make that final decision. I know I was reading every article, watching every tv article on the 2 men, both for AG and President.

I didn't want to wait to see what might be when I felt good about what has been done. Everyone knows I was reading all articles on the states drug busts, where they were getting them and how it was affecting the Central PA area. I didn't want a gap in there as someone new learns the job.

As for President, John McCain turned me off him just opening his mouth after the last 3 months of news. Not hard to get me off that fence there.

CB, I can not understand, if John Murtha is so bad, why do they keep voting for him? The people have had many chances to get him out but they don't. As to racist areas, two of the local newspapers had voter polls and John McCain was supposed to be president by them, but guess others felt the same as me.

[Serendipitous1]

S1 try to hang in here, we can't afford to lose someone that's been here from the start!!! The elections seem to have a depressed element about them. I too wanted JM in there. When Murtha declared his victory me and my SO got into it lol. Elections are troublesome with relationships. My so is lucky I didn't wash the dishes with his hair lol. He agravated me all night about it lol. We need to set the example of not giving up. Let us continue until something surfaces.:rose:I am only done with this particular thread, as it no longer has a purpose...unless there is new evidence to explain TC's unbelievably callous, public disregard for RG's plight. I know what the law says...and I also know the potential for serving the greater good when people of conscience and influence decide to throw their weight around.

psunate and sherrijean, there are pros and cons for every candidate and every voter made choices...whether they were informed choices or not and whether others agree with their choices or not. The Gricar case was obviously not key in this election, even for most Centre Countians...who had moved on long ago. But that is the way it works in this democracy. And I really would not have it any other way.

[Cloudbuster]

Everyone is forgetting about the "fence sitters". I think there were a lot more waiting until the day of the elections to make that final decision. I know I was reading every article, watching every tv article on the 2 men, both for AG and President.

I didn't want to wait to see what might be when I felt good about what has been done. Everyone knows I was reading all articles on the states drug busts, where they were getting them and how it was affecting the Central PA area. I didn't want a gap in there as someone new learns the job.

As for President, John McCain turned me off him just opening his mouth after the last 3 months of news. Not hard to get me off that fence there.



CB, I can not understand, if John Murtha is so bad, why do they keep voting for him? The people have had many chances to get him out but they don't. As to racist areas, two of the local newspapers had voter polls and John McCain was supposed to be president by them, but guess others felt the same as me.

Sherrijean it can be summed up in one word it's calledPORK. He is voted in time and time again for the pork he brings only to HIS ditrict. It's like this can't he share? There is more areas thru out that could also use some pork. This man is the pork barrel winner of DC and is well known. LOL hmm share the wealth? Okay has John learned that? Heck no.:cuss:

[Cloudbuster]

Here is a good link on John and watch the video too
http://www.bootmurtha.com/
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[Cloudbuster]

Morganelli hung well, but Corbet is really gaining round Western part of the state..

I can't believe Centre County went for Corbett.

Oh Well..

I too can't believe it!!! We never got to see if Morganelli could help RG.

[Cloudbuster]

What did Murtha say that was bad? I am from his area and sadly its very racist. This area is 4-1 Dem and McCain blew Obama away, so Murtha was 100% right.

As for Russell, why would you want a Non-PA Resident who has Bush ties in office?

Why? It's because I want the corruption of DC gone puff just gone. Do you think it's right that Murtha gets everything he wants for HIS AREA while other areas suffer cause there is nothing left for them? Anyone Russel or whoever would have been my choice. Im tired of the dirt that goes on and Russel had the courage to try. At least he did okay so maybe next time someone will suceed. Anyone corrupt needed to go. It's also a personal issue to me. many know why.

[J. J. in Phila]

There will not be a political solution to the RFG disappearance; it has never been a state issue. TC's victory was one of the more impressive ones for the AG's office. We are lucky that was not a referendum on the RFG disappearance.

[Cloudbuster]

There will not be a political solution to the RFG disappearance; it has never been a state issue. TC's victory was one of the more impressive ones for the AG's office. We are lucky that was not a referendum on the RFG disappearance.

JJ did your canidates fair very well?

[J. J. in Phila]

JJ did your canidates fair very well?


No. My candidate lost. :(

[Cloudbuster]

JJ for what it's worth I know how you feel. Its depressing. I did like Paulin because she is honest. My So was one of the guys who thought she was winking at him lol.:rose:

[Cinderella]

I want to say that I did my Patriotic duty.

I am so glad that S1 brought to my attention Morganelli. I told many people to check him out and vote for him. I did and I am glad that I voted for him. He might have lost this one, but that is not to say that he will lose again. So S1, I thank you from my heart for sharing Morganelli's interview with us.

J. J. I am so sorry and dishearted that McCain lost. I am really worried about Obama. If people really knew what Socialism is then they would think different. Many don't have a clue though. Giving an uneducated voter a ballet is like giving a murderer a gun. Some people have no idea.

I was hoping that Murtha would be ousted. He is such a crook who will one day pay for his wickedness. He said those soldiers killed in cold blood. They weren't even tried yet. Then he calls his area that votes for him rednecks. Who the hell does he think that he is. Calling a decorated War hero a carpet bagger, taking God's name in vain, then Clinton, and him meeting people in a Catholic Church. This is better then the soap operas. If only I could laugh. Murtha might not get his in this world, but in the next.

I am wondering if God kinda gave up on the American people. Elizabeth Dole who is a great christian was voted out of office. All the scumbags made it. God says that if we are ready to repent, he will forgive us of our sins. Did America repent. No. Don't happen to look for me in the end times, I am out of here. For those of you that are not familiar with Revelations, you better get with it. If this scares you, it should. You can't worship the anti-Christ and go to heaven.

If any of you are interested in end times, please let me know.

[Cinderella]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGpxfoF3SYg&feature=related

[J. J. in Phila]

If not for this case (and another) I would have voted for Corbett.

I think Obama is too inexperienced to be president, I don't trust him (I trust Michelle a lot more) and I don't think he'll do well, so I didn't vote for him. However, give him a chance. If he's terrible, we can toss him out on his butt in 4 years. And pray that he stays healthy, because President Biden would be 1000 times worse.

[Cloudbuster]

If not for this case (and another) I would have voted for Corbett.

I think Obama is too inexperienced to be president, I don't trust him (I trust Michelle a lot more) and I don't think he'll do well, so I didn't vote for him. However, give him a chance. If he's terrible, we can toss him out on his butt in 4 years. And pray that he stays healthy, because President Biden would be 1000 times worse.

I gotta agree about Biden lol. JJ I bet Obama is going to run again in 4 years. He will probably be okay with us all for the first 4 years but...after a possible 2nd term I doubt it. I guess we have to give em a chance. :patriot: