Michelle Young Murder 4-23 - 4/29

[annalyzer]

Let's continue our discussion without insults please. :seeya:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by annalyzer
Let's continue our discussion without insults please. :seeya: [/*]

Yesterday's prediction of an indictment by day's end didn't come true. No real news on this case in quite some time. I still don't believe it's because the media are keeping quiet at the request of LE. In my experience, that's not how it works.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by june1943


I don't believe it either. I think if LE ask NCWanted to remove something it was because it wasn't a fact. If LE told them it wasn't a fact then they couldn't in good conscience report it. IMO [/*]

Did NC Wanted remove or change something? They already play pretty loose with professional code of ethics. If they did, it was more likely because their lawyers told them to do so.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Yesterday's prediction of an indictment by day's end didn't come true. No real news on this case in quite some time. I still don't believe it's because the media are keeping quiet at the request of LE. In my experience, that's not how it works. [/*]
Various LE have asked the press not to publish specific infomation (like the cause of death, or the murder weapon used) that they are holding as an ace up their sleeve but have never requested the media to not report 'all they know'.

Ridiculous.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by alter ego

Various LE have asked the press not to publish specific infomation (like the cause of death, or the murder weapon used) that they are holding as an ace up their sleeve but have never requested the media to not report 'all they know'.

Ridiculous. [/*]

It also makes no sense whatsoever. Why even tell the media if the goal is to keep it secret from the public? The reality is, the media is under no obligation to honor such a request. The public's right to know trumps all of it.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
What ever give the JDI the idea the GJ was going to be hearing anything on Michelle Young`s death? From reading other boards you would have thought someone was handing them inside information. Imaginations were running wild. I was sure the news channels were going to have to interrupt election results for a car chase.
O/T but I hope everyone by now knows that Cynthia Sommors has been released and the DA has announced NO charges will be refiled. [/*]

Somebody has to be pretty gullible to really believe LE is giving secrets to the media and the media are only sharing those secrets with posters on message boards rather than the audience they are paid to keep informed.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by annalyzer
Let's continue our discussion without insults please. :seeya: [/*]


Hi Hi C, Miss Mandy and June...:)

How long do you think before this officially does become a cold case?

I gave up long ago on any inside Board tips or predictions.

Nothing anyone said has come true.
Going for 18 months soon.

:shrug:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943


I don't believe it either. I think if LE ask NCWanted to remove something it was because it wasn't a fact. If LE told them it wasn't a fact then they couldn't in good conscience report it. IMO [/*]

Which is why I can't understand why someone posted that they know for a fact L E had the 911 tape enhanced by a professional.

I would hope anyone involved in solving this case is a professional in their field.

I hope the tape was played, replayed and sent out to experts .

Why wouldn't it be?

It is part of the case.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Somebody has to be pretty gullible to really believe LE is giving secrets to the media and the media are only sharing those secrets with posters on message boards rather than the audience they are paid to keep informed. [/*]


Well, there have been some things reported wrong about the case, such as the embezzlment charges that were going to be brought against the child's aunt.

I know sometimes the media can ask for things off the record, but that would also be dangerous to the integrity of the case.

I am sure everyone covering the case wants the scoop when news , if ever there is any, breaks.

Not looking good though.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

Hi Kat,I hope it will not have to go in the files. I was hoping with SBI coming in maybe they would look at evidence that Sheriff Donnie`s boys wanted to ignore. It would prove very embarrassing for his department if evidence they knew was possibly exculpatory to Jason was never sent to lab. I watched from a far while the board went into melt down yesterday. Saw it coming. Maybe we can keep it open by ignoring those who only want to argue. HC [/*]

I don't know how long a case can go on exactly, before becoming cold.
I know the last report we had, the sheriff insisted it would not go cold.

I have no intentions of arguing with anyone, there is an old Message Board trick, just keep a supply of rubberbands on your desk and shoot them at the monitor. !!

Works every time!!

:)

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
And that is a fact....Lots of things reported about this case,I sometimes wonder if it is deliberate to keep the real murderer out of sight. [/*]

Looks like in the beginning, the media was not afraid to print all the things that made Jason look bad or guilty.

But then there was never any confirmation or denial on those stories.

We were left to believe that because it was printed, it was true.
It does not work that way.

Blood spots in car, yes , no?

Hair in hand? Human, female, male, animal or doll.?

Murder weapon?
Something the killer(s) brought with them, or something found in the home that was picked up , that proves this was not planned or pre~med...


:shrug:

Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


snip

Murder weapon?
Something the killer(s) brought with them, or something found in the home that was picked up , that proves this was not planned or pre~med...


:shrug:

Kat [/*]
The fact that Michelle was struck repeatedly after a failed strangulation attempt would be proof of premeditation, I would think. Maybe Frank will weigh in.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by june1943


I don't think it was premeditated. I think who ever killed Michelle came to talk to her. They got into a fight and they choked her. Maybe after the choking Michelle told them they were gonna pay big time of that. Then rage set in and they beat and beat her. [/*]

Whoever did it was strong. It would take an awfully big force to knock someone's teeth out like that. And a lot of hate.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Whoever did it was strong. It would take an awfully big force to knock someone's teeth out like that. And a lot of hate. [/*]

I don't believe swinging a weapon at a soft target requires a lot of strength. I also don't believe the animal responsible for this crime is capable of emotion other than hate.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Whoever did it was strong. It would take an awfully big force to knock someone's teeth out like that. And a lot of hate. [/*]I agree it was hate fueled - I just can't imagine how someone is strong enough to hit that hard but not strong enough to strangle.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


I don't believe swinging a weapon at a soft target requires a lot of strength. I also don't believe the animal responsible for this crime is capable of emotion other than hate. [/*]

Yeah you're probably right. Now that I think about it I know how much damage I can do to a piece of wood when trying to chop it with an axe.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by june1943


I don't think it was premeditated. I think who ever killed Michelle came to talk to her. They got into a fight and they choked her. Maybe after the choking Michelle told them they were gonna pay big time of that. Then rage set in and they beat and beat her. [/*]Premeditation can form in a matter of seconds.

I don't think Michelle said anything that sparked rage - I think the inability to strangle her sparked a deep seated hate that resulted in BFT.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943


I don't think it was premeditated. I think who ever killed Michelle came to talk to her. They got into a fight and they choked her. Maybe after the choking Michelle told them they were gonna pay big time of that. Then rage set in and they beat and beat her. [/*]

Hi June.:)

This is exactly my thoughts too.

And with the rage came panic.

Panic of being caught and going to jail.

The rage could have even come from blaming Michelle for having to kill her so she couldn't talk.

I really believe none of this was supposed to happen.

Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Because anger has increased if Michelle was fighting back and the longer the fight the more Adrenalin released,then fright and more Adrenalin,every strike become more physical. IMO [/*]I had considered an adrenaline rush, but that typically is a short burst that leaves the person aching and sore if they perform heavy physical activity - I didn't think it would sustain the energy required for the force seen in this murder.

:shrug:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego
Premeditation can form in a matter of seconds.

I don't think Michelle said anything that sparked rage - I think the inability to strangle her sparked a deep seated hate that resulted in BFT. [/*]

Hi Alter.:)

BFT means...................??

Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


-snip-

I really believe none of this was supposed to happen.

Kat [/*]what do you believe was supposed to happen?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Hi Alter.:)

BFT means...................??

Kat [/*]hiya Kat :D

BFT = Blunt Force Trauma

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego
what do you believe was supposed to happen? [/*]

I always thought it was a fight that got way out of hand.

Resentment , jealousy from someone who knew her.

Or, someone who had been watching the home, thought they could break in , take a few things, get out , but got caught.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego
hiya Kat :D

BFT = Blunt Force Trauma [/*]


Thanx, Alter!!

Hi C, you made a great point.
A fantastic point, actually.

If L E thought this was like you say an open and shut case against Jason, you can see why the failure to do some things that they thought were unnecessary were not done.

Like the s/a exam.

They didn't feel like they needed to do anything extra except maybe get some fingerprints checked, so they could eliminate any prints they found that did not match.

When I read the house was a crime scene for almost 2 weeks, it makes you wonder what they were doing in there all that time.

Then at some later date, when the case against Jason failed to materialize as they thought, there was a big probem trying to go back and start over.

New investigators were brought in...we know that.

I have always said that something either at the crime scene cleared Jason completely or something was found that made it physically impossible for him to have been back in Raleigh that nite.

Something saved him from taking the blame.


Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


I always thought it was a fight that got way out of hand.

Resentment , jealousy from someone who knew her.

Or, someone who had been watching the home, thought they could break in , take a few things, get out , but got caught.

Kat [/*]
Was the upstairs ransacked or was that report on NG another one of her bloopers?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego

Was the upstairs ransacked or was that report on NG another one of her bloopers? [/*]

The crime scene was described as having a struggle took place, and I remember reading about a messy closet, but I have no link to that.

If Michelle had money in her purse and they took it, how can anyone say she was not robbed?

Or if they kept money in the home?

Then, of course, the rings no one can answer for.

Kat

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by alter ego

Was the upstairs ransacked or was that report on NG another one of her bloopers? [/*]

I heard it certainly looked ransacked to those who saw it after it was first released as a crime scene. Which made Meredith's comment that it~didn't look as it usually did~ an incredible understatement to those who saw it and also listened to the 911 call.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Thanx, Alter!!

-snip-
Something saved him from taking the blame.


Kat [/*]
Anytime!

Or nothing conclusively included or excluded him.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


The crime scene was described as having a struggle took place, and I remember reading about a messy closet, but I have no link to that.

If Michelle had money in her purse and they took it, how can anyone say she was not robbed?

Or if they kept money in the home?

Then, of course, the rings no one can answer for.

Kat [/*]

I think the ransacking was done in an attempt to make the killing appear random. If the Youngs had previously phoned 911 after hearing noises there is probably a good chance they discussed it with others. That knowledge plus knowledge that Jason was going on a business trip created a perfect opportunity for the killer to commit the crime and implicate someone else. So far, that's exactly what has happened.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


I heard it certainly looked ransacked to those who saw it after it was first released as a crime scene. Which made Meredith's comment that it~didn't look as it usually did~ an incredible understatement to those who saw it and also listened to the 911 call. [/*]Especially when she first says there is blood everywhere.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by alter ego
Especially when she first says there is blood everywhere. [/*]

Yet another contradiction. No child's bloody footprints were everywhere and I think the blood was totally confined to the bedroom. Mighty neat killer.

[jerzeegirl]

i dont believe he carried gas cans in his car because my theory is that this wasnt premeditated. But he could have stopped for gas and didnt save that specific receipt. No receipt, no proof. Just a theory.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by jerzeegirl
i dont believe he carried gas cans in his car because my theory is that this wasnt premeditated. But he could have stopped for gas and didnt save that specific receipt. No receipt, no proof. Just a theory. [/*]

If Jason is the killer and it wasn't premeditated he did a damn good job of avoiding detection for 18 months.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by jerzeegirl
i dont believe he carried gas cans in his car because my theory is that this wasnt premeditated. But he could have stopped for gas and didnt save that specific receipt. No receipt, no proof. Just a theory. [/*]

Sounds possible but surely by now LE has had plenty of time to canvas gas stations along the route.

[jerzeegirl]

Originally posted by annalyzer


If Jason is the killer and it wasn't premeditated he did a damn good job of avoiding detection for 18 months. [/*]

i agree, exactly the reason why im so on the fence about this. Could he have committed the perfect crime? Wouldnt be the first person to commit a crime and not get caught, as everyone knows, so many unsolved cases out there. But who knows, at this point anyone could have done this. I know where i was that night.......

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by jerzeegirl


i agree, exactly the reason why im so on the fence about this. Could he have committed the perfect crime? Wouldnt be the first person to commit a crime and not get caught, as everyone knows, so many unsolved cases out there. But who knows, at this point anyone could have done this. I know where i was that night....... [/*]

Not just anyone could have done this crime, imo. There are two elements that the killer apparently knew and one of them was that Jason was out of town. The other was that Michelle owned expensive jewelry. That narrows the pool of potential killers considerably.

Either JY had the opportunity to commit the crime or he did not. After 17 months, if that puzzle piece can't be fit to Jason no matter how LE twists and turns it, they have to move on to another theory and I think they have.

[awareness]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Not just anyone could have done this crime, imo. There are two elements that the killer apparently knew and one of them was that Jason was out of town. The other was that Michelle owned expensive jewelry. That narrows the pool of potential killers considerably.

Either JY had the opportunity to commit the crime or he did not. After 17 months, if that puzzle piece can't be fit to Jason no matter how LE twists and turns it, they have to move on to another theory and I think they have. [/*]

I still feel they are focusing on Jason, but that's JMO.

It'll be interesting to see where the future of this investigation goes, if anywhere. Some people within the last few weeks have said there's pending news, or grand jury investigation - but so far I haven't seen any links verifying that.

JMO/IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Sounds possible but surely by now LE has had plenty of time to canvas gas stations along the route. [/*]

Hi Mandy.......
I would think or at least hope that every single possible gas station on his path or even off the beaten path was visited by
L E.......with a photo of Jason.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by awareness


I still feel they are focusing on Jason, but that's JMO.

It'll be interesting to see where the future of this investigation goes, if anywhere. Some people within the last few weeks have said there's pending news, or grand jury investigation - but so far I haven't seen any links verifying that.

JMO/IMO [/*]

There is nothing going on at least until the GJ meets again in 2 weeks, unless for some reason they can bypass that process.

I think it is nothing but wishing thinking on some posters parts, that Jason will be arrested. Ever.

It scares me that some are out for his blood. with what we know now.

Show me his fingerprints on Michelle's neck, or someone who saw him back in Raleigh.

Better yet, show me a motive.

Kat

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by awareness


I still feel they are focusing on Jason, but that's JMO.

It'll be interesting to see where the future of this investigation goes, if anywhere. Some people within the last few weeks have said there's pending news, or grand jury investigation - but so far I haven't seen any links verifying that.

JMO/IMO [/*]

They very well could be focused on Jason but at this point but if they are, I don't believe they are focused on Jason only. They can't be. There's been plenty of time to determine whether he had opportunity or not to be physically in Raleigh at the time of the murder.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


They very well could be focused on Jason but at this point but if they are, I don't believe they are focused on Jason only. They can't be. There's been plenty of time to determine whether he had opportunity or not to be physically in Raleigh at the time of the murder. [/*]


I heard someone has a new pic.....clear and check PM's people!!

Also, someone built a new home:cough:

:)

Kat

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by june1943


I don't see a motive. A Life insurance not collected, an alledged girlfriend thats about all there is. From what has been reported everything was ok when he left for his trip. Supper with Michelle, Cassie and a friend. He calls home about 9:00 to talk over visiting his Mom on the way back. He calls home around 11:00 to tell michelle where he is. Then he decides to get in the car and drive home and kill her. That doesn't make any sense. [/*]

I don't see a motive or opportunity for Jason.

I do see motive and opportunity for anyone close to Michelle who was a drug user in need of money and who knew Jason was out of town.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943


I don't see a motive. A Life insurance not collected, an alledged girlfriend thats about all there is. From what has been reported everything was ok when he left for his trip. Supper with Michelle, Cassie and a friend. He calls home about 9:00 to talk over visiting his Mom on the way back. He calls home around 11:00 to tell michelle where he is. Then he decides to get in the car and drive home and kill her. That doesn't make any sense. [/*]

I never could figure out a motive.

Jason was going to kill MY to be with MM, then what about SM?
Jason was going to kill MY for money?
That isn't too suspicious.
Jason was going to kill so he could have C all to himself?
Like that was going to happpen if he got caught.
He would only have visits from her 14 years from now through a glass panel.

:shrug:

Kat

[5swab5]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Not just anyone could have done this crime, imo. There are two elements that the killer apparently knew and one of them was that Jason was out of town. The other was that Michelle owned expensive jewelry. That narrows the pool of potential killers considerably.

Either JY had the opportunity to commit the crime or he did not. After 17 months, if that puzzle piece can't be fit to Jason no matter how LE twists and turns it, they have to move on to another theory and I think they have. [/*]

There is NOTHING on the record to support that Michelle owned expensive jewelry.

Any mention of "expensive" jewelry is merely an effort by some posters to add an element to this horrible crime, that does not exist.

Rest assured they are hot on Jason Lynn Young's trail, all one has to do is read the SWs, with the exception of his paramour, NO ONE else is mention.

MOO

Swabby

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by 5swab5


There is NOTHING on the record to support that Michelle owned expensive jewelry.

Any mention of "expensive" jewelry is merely an effort by some posters to add an element to this horrible crime, that does not exist.

Rest assured they are hot on Jason Lynn Young's trail, all one has to do is read the SWs, with the exception of his paramour, NO ONE else is mention.

MOO

Swabby [/*]

It doesn't need to be "on the record." LE often hold back details of a crime.

I do believe expensive jewelry is missing. It is the added element to this horrible crime that will elevate it to death penalty status, imo.

There certainly is nothing currently "on the record" to support your belief that LE is hot on Jason's "trail." The fact is, Jason isn't missing. Fact is, you haven't read all the search warrants. Fact is, you don't know who else is mentioned. Fact is, search warrants aren't evidence. Those facts, some posters conveniently overlook in their zeal to convict Jason and only Jason.

MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


There is NOTHING on the record to support that Michelle owned expensive jewelry.

Any mention of "expensive" jewelry is merely an effort by some posters to add an element to this horrible crime, that does not exist.

Rest assured they are hot on Jason Lynn Young's trail, all one has to do is read the SWs, with the exception of his paramour, NO ONE else is mention.

MOO

Swabby [/*]

So, you are saying Michelle wore cheap jewelry?

:read:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


It doesn't need to be "on the record." LE often hold back details of a crime.

I do believe expensive jewelry is missing. It is the added element to this horrible crime that will elevate it to death penalty status, imo.

There certainly is nothing currently "on the record" to support your belief that LE is hot on Jason's "trail." The fact is, Jason isn't missing. Fact is, you haven't read all the search warrants. Fact is, you don't know who else is mentioned. Fact is, search warrants aren't evidence. Those facts, some posters conveniently overlook in their zeal to convict Jason and only Jason.

MOO [/*]

Let's see , L E holds back on info but secretly gives it to the media !!

:)

Kat

[jerzeegirl]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


So, you are saying Michelle wore cheap jewelry?

:read:

Kat [/*]

is it a fact jewelry was taken? :read:

[5swab5]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


I think the ransacking was done in an attempt to make the killing appear random. If the Youngs had previously phoned 911 after hearing noises there is probably a good chance they discussed it with others. That knowledge plus knowledge that Jason was going on a business trip created a perfect opportunity for the killer to commit the crime and implicate someone else. So far, that's exactly what has happened. [/*]

What ransacking?

The reports specifically said that it was NOT random.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Yet another contradiction. No child's bloody footprints were everywhere and I think the blood was totally confined to the bedroom. Mighty neat killer. [/*]

RUMOR!

Nothing EVER reported that anywhere resembles this post!

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Swabby, did you clean out your pm's ?
Kat wants to send you some breaking news.
It's urgent and VERY important.:biggrin: [/*]


I am sure your Board will catch up, when you all finish with the comma and semi~colon class you are attending.

Info is out there, I guess it would be too much to ask for you to scout around it..

I must say someone hardly looks like they are grieving for their only sister...oh,.what's that saying?

Oh, I know....yeah, "moving on".

:)

Kat

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Let's see , L E holds back on info but secretly gives it to the media !!

:)

Kat [/*]

And the media does their part by holding back on info and secretly giving it to message board posters! LOL

:D

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


There is nothing going on at least until the GJ meets again in 2 weeks, unless for some reason they can bypass that process.

I think it is nothing but wishing thinking on some posters parts, that Jason will be arrested. Ever.

It scares me that some are out for his blood. with what we know now.

Show me his fingerprints on Michelle's neck, or someone who saw him back in Raleigh.

Better yet, show me a motive.

Kat [/*]

Who says that nothing will happen for 2 weeks? I guess a "link" is out of the question. Just more hopeful thinking.....

Motive? Are you kidding me?

FREEDOM!

Jason could run back to Brevard and pretend to be the guy that he was, WAY back when.

Not buying it.

Jason married a real dedicated woman. What Michelle saw in him, I will never know. I fully expect that over time she realized "what a mistake she had made".

IMO, Jason made sure that NO ONE would ever hear from her lips, what a failure he was. ERGO, the FIRST "POP"!

Just look at him now, skulking around the foothills, living with Momma, what a guy.

Where is the indignation that his wife and son's murder has not been solved? Oh, that's right, Roger Smith & Co. told him to "shut his trap". No wonder.

MOO

Swabby

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by jerzeegirl


is it a fact jewelry was taken? :read: [/*]

according to some posters here shortly after the murder who claimed to know Michelle, yes some jewelry was taken.

No link, so consider it a rumor.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by june1943


I don't see a motive. A Life insurance not collected, an alledged girlfriend thats about all there is. From what has been reported everything was ok when he left for his trip. Supper with Michelle, Cassie and a friend. He calls home about 9:00 to talk over visiting his Mom on the way back. He calls home around 11:00 to tell michelle where he is. Then he decides to get in the car and drive home and kill her. That doesn't make any sense. [/*]

Sure, OK.

NOBODY pays the premiums on that kind of LI policy, without expecting it to be their "safety net".

NOTHING has ever been reported on what Michelle or Jason's demeanor was that night. More Rumors!

Even IF true, Lots of people put on a "brave front". Especially with all the fighting those two did, they had to.

Wonder if there is a statute of limitations on collecting a $1,000,000. policy? I sure hope so!

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by 5swab5



Even IF true, Lots of people put on a "brave front". Especially with all the fighting those two did, they had to.



Swabby [/*]

What fighting? Is there any record of domestic violence?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Sure, OK.

NOBODY pays the premiums on that kind of LI policy, without expecting it to be their "safety net".

NOTHING has ever been reported on what Michelle or Jason's demeanor was that night. More Rumors!

Even IF true, Lots of people put on a "brave front". Especially with all the fighting those two did, they had to.

Wonder if there is a statute of limitations on collecting a $1,000,000. policy? I sure hope so!

MOO

Swabby [/*]
Link to to 'all the fighting those two did'.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Sure, OK.

NOBODY pays the premiums on that kind of LI policy, without expecting it to be their "safety net".

NOTHING has ever been reported on what Michelle or Jason's demeanor was that night. More Rumors!

Even IF true, Lots of people put on a "brave front". Especially with all the fighting those two did, they had to.

Wonder if there is a statute of limitations on collecting a $1,000,000. policy? I sure hope so!

MOO

Swabby [/*]

NOTHING has ever been reported that Michelle and Jason ever fought. More Rumors!

[5swab5]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


according to some posters here shortly after the murder who claimed to know Michelle, yes some jewelry was taken.

No link, so consider it a rumor. [/*]

I can help you out there.

ALL of the published reports plainly state that the crime was not random, & NO robbery or forced entry.

MOO

Swabby

They do say however, that the loving devoted husband is unresponsive to this day! Hmm.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by 5swab5


What ransacking?

The reports specifically said that it was NOT random.

MOO

Swabby [/*]
GRACE: And it was ransacked, too?

BROOKS: It appears to have been.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0611/10/ng.01.html

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by 5swab5


I can help you out there.

ALL of the published reports plainly state that the crime was not random, & NO robbery or forced entry.

MOO

Swabby

They do say however, that the loving devoted husband is unresponsive to this day! Hmm. [/*]

I don't believe the theft of the jewelry was part of a robbery. I think it came AFTER the murder. No reason for LE to publicly share the details.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by 5swab5


I can help you out there.

ALL of the published reports plainly state that the crime was not random, & NO robbery or forced entry.

MOO

Swabby

They do say however, that the loving devoted husband is unresponsive to this day! Hmm. [/*]
Are you referring to the search warrants?

[5swab5]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


It doesn't need to be "on the record." LE often hold back details of a crime.

I do believe expensive jewelry is missing. It is the added element to this horrible crime that will elevate it to death penalty status, imo.

There certainly is nothing currently "on the record" to support your belief that LE is hot on Jason's "trail." The fact is, Jason isn't missing. Fact is, you haven't read all the search warrants. Fact is, you don't know who else is mentioned. Fact is, search warrants aren't evidence. Those facts, some posters conveniently overlook in their zeal to convict Jason and only Jason.

MOO [/*]

First of all, there is NOTHING in ANY photographic records to support that Michelle was sporting the "Hope Diamond", more like a mediocre "cubic zirconium". Hey, maybe that was the first lie she figured out, followed by playing footsie with MM? I bet she was as hot as a pistol!

Wow, I guess you are right about ONE thing, I have not read the latest SWs served in Brevard on Jason Lynn Young's mother & sister's houses.

Sure doesn't sound like they are looking elsewhere to me.

MOO

Swabby

:rose: For Michelle & Rylan!

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by 5swab5


First of all, there is NOTHING in ANY photographic records to support that Michelle was sporting the "Hope Diamond", more like a mediocre "cubic zirconium". Hey, maybe that was the first lie she figured out, followed by playing footsie with MM? I bet she was as hot as a pistol!

Wow, I guess you are right about ONE thing, I have not read the latest SWs served in Brevard on Jason Lynn Young's mother & sister's houses.

Sure doesn't sound like they are looking elsewhere to me.

MOO

Swabby

:rose: For Michelle & Rylan! [/*]

FYI: I believe Michelle picked out her own engagement ring.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


FYI: I believe Michelle picked out her own engagement ring. [/*]

I believe that Michelle may have picked out the "style". I also believe that Michelle believed in Jason at that time.

Can't say for sure what happened after that.

Wonder IF when Michelle married him either time, she could have imagined that IF anything really, really bad ever happen to her, that HE would turn a deaf ear? Not much substance there.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Yet another contradiction. No child's bloody footprints were everywhere and I think the blood was totally confined to the bedroom. Mighty neat killer. [/*]

Mandy,

I'm sorry, I don't get the contradiction. I have never heard a single word about "bloody foot prints", except on the 911 tape.

To say that they were not there, might be misleading.

Meredith said that they were "everywhere". From being in the house, it was a relatively light colored carpet. While she was on the phone with 911, I can only imagine what all was going through her mind.

Kinda' like dropping a glass sugar container on the tile in the kitchen. You might say, that "sugar & glass was everywhere".

Just Sayin'

MOO

Swabby

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


FYI: I believe Michelle picked out her own engagement ring. [/*]

Did she pay for it too?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Danica
All anyone here has to do is read up a little, all the statements from Sheriff Harrison and others in charge of the investigation are here for the reading. From the first report LE stated this was NOT a random murder and there was NO ROBBERY. The few posters that keep saying Michelles' jewelry was stolen are wrong, and also there is no reports stating anything about JY and MY the night he left for his business trip. The only witness that could tell how they were getting along and what time he left has never, ever made ANY kind of statement. In fact, no info has ever been made public about that witness at all, and no one has been able to find anything she has said about that night. I think that particular person holds a major part of this case and obviously nothing has ever been leaked in regard to her knowledge of it.
As far as I know there is no report of the house being ransacked, nothing that contradicts bloody footprints in the master bedroom, and furthermore 95 percent of what gets posted here is rumor coming from both sides of the fence. JMO

Justice for Michelle :rose: [/*]

:beer: Absolutely right. Nor have there been any photos published of the crime scene to support certain statements about its appearance, or reports of anything at all, particularly jewelry being stolen. ALL RUMOR.

jmo

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Hi Mandy.......
I would think or at least hope that every single possible gas station on his path or even off the beaten path was visited by
L E.......with a photo of Jason.

Kat [/*]

Have no fear.

They were PLASTERED with the reward poster!

Sorry no link, but any "station" that was missed (or mysteriously removed...HMM) by LE were taken care of. D)

Media doesn't necessarilly cover everything.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Hi Hi C, Miss Mandy and June...:)

How long do you think before this officially does become a cold case?

I gave up long ago on any inside Board tips or predictions.

Nothing anyone said has come true.
Going for 18 months soon.

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

This case is only "cold" in certain hearts and in the Young's dreams, it is far from that distinction in reality.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Looks like in the beginning, the media was not afraid to print all the things that made Jason look bad or guilty.

But then there was never any confirmation or denial on those stories.

We were left to believe that because it was printed, it was true.
It does not work that way.


((snip))

Kat [/*]

Kat,

Did it ever occur to you that the reason that LE have not qualified certain things...is because ONLY two people know what really happened? M. Money & J. Young.

Seems to me that Wake County is making sure that Jason doesn't get "tried in the press".

Since Jason won't speak, LE has no choice, but to use the old "soft sell".

Just My Opinion.

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Hi June.:)

This is exactly my thoughts too.

And with the rage came panic.

Panic of being caught and going to jail.

The rage could have even come from blaming Michelle for having to kill her so she couldn't talk.

I really believe none of this was supposed to happen.

Kat [/*]

I agree,

It reached the point of no return, poor Michelle.

MOO

Swabby

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943


You could be right . Jason could be the only person they are looking at but that leaves the question of why after almost a year and half has he not been arrested? Could it be they are looking at the wrong person? Jason either was in Raleigh during the night of nov,2nd and 3rd or he wasn't. If after 18 months LE can't put him in Raleigh then its time to look elsewhere. There are other people that kill not just spouses. IMO [/*]

Do you honestly believe that LE would willfully ignore evidence that implicated someone other than Jason?

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


The crime scene was described as having a struggle took place, and I remember reading about a messy closet, but I have no link to that.

If Michelle had money in her purse and they took it, how can anyone say she was not robbed?

Or if they kept money in the home?

Then, of course, the rings no one can answer for.

Kat [/*]

You are right!

EXCEPT for the rings, which part of NO ROBBERY, escapes you?

Wonder why Jason won't answer those very simple questions?

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by agathachristie


My board ? I have no specific board, my dear.
Do you consider this your board ?
Oops, sorry. I guess this is the only place left for you to post. :cough:
One can hardly blame the innocent sister for " moving on".
Info is out there? Info that will impact on the outcome of this case ?
I seriously doubt it.
Here's hoping none of these pages get shut down and deleted . Will be great to have your posts for future reference :biggrin:
Carry on, Kat. You are doing a great job as always. Hugs and shrugs.

My very humble and sincere opinion..........Aggie [/*]

Thanks AgathaChristie,

I couldn't find that one again..It's a classic!

5Swab5 posts here! I resent being "grouped" as a perceived enemy. 'Sides, isn't it against TOS to bring other boards into the fray?

Just Askin'

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Danica


I'll tell you what IS on the record that supports the belief that LE is on Jasons trail, upwards of 10 search warrants focused on Jason Young, his belongings, his girlfriend and his mother and sisters homes that he has been living in since the murder. While search warrants are not evidence, they certainly are evidence on where and at whom LE is looking as they work towards solving this murder. Not one search warrant has been issued for Meredith or anyone else, so that is absolute BS for certain posters to continue this innuendo that she is the guilty party.
I don't know where you're coming from with your comment about posters conveniently overlooking anything, there are only a few facts known in this case and the biggest one is ALL SEARCH WARRANTS FOCUS ON JASON YOUNG. Sorry, but your theories really are full of holes, Jason IS who they are looking at, not Meredith or her mother or her boyfriend. JMO [/*]

:beer:

EXACTLY!

To deny everything, is to defy the truth!

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


What ransacking?

The reports specifically said that it was NOT random.

MOO

Swabby [/*]


"They " said a lot of things in the beginning.
"They " have never gone back to update or correct any of it.
"They " just left it out there for everyone to think it was true.

If "they" were right in thinking this was not random, not a robbery, why can't "they" get an arrest.???

:shrug:

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943

Surely if they found that he had purchased gas then that would give cause for an arrest. [/*]

I'm sure it would. And maybe it will.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


<snipped>

Jason married a real dedicated woman. What Michelle saw in him, I will never know. I fully expect that over time she realized "what a mistake she had made".

Swabby [/*]

Yep, that is why she was 5 months pregnant with his baby, because she was going to leave him any second.

:rolleyes:

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



"They " said a lot of things in the beginning.
"They " have never gone back to update or correct any of it.
"They " just left it out there for everyone to think it was true.

If "they" were right in thinking this was not random, not a robbery, why can't "they" get an arrest.???

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

What makes you think LE "can't" get an arrest, Kat? Only based on what is known, I believe they could get an arrest. Maybe they're holding out for something more. Maybe.......an accomplice?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Yep, that is why she was 5 months pregnant with his baby, because she was going to leave him any second.

:rolleyes:

Kat [/*]

I personally know of several pregnant women who've ended their marriages. Because they had no desire to bring a child into that situation, and thought it would be better for the child to have one stable parent than two fighting ones.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


:beer: Absolutely right. Nor have there been any photos published of the crime scene to support certain statements about its appearance, or reports of anything at all, particularly jewelry being stolen. ALL RUMOR.

jmo [/*]

And, no where has there been any published reports that Michelle and Jason fought, or that Jason had any reason to kill her,but that doesn't stop some of you from making those statements anyway.

I am one of the ones that would like the crime scene shown (without the body) just to see how anyone could not know a murder had happened from first impact.

:shrug:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by agathachristie


It scares me that you are sooooo willing to indict the innocent sister. Now that is scary !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MOO [/*]


Where does it say that?

I said she is movng on, she sure looks happy, not like someone who found the dead body of a loved one 17 months ago.

Hey, people grieve differently, it only took her , what? 5 months to rebound with a purse sale on Ebay..

I was so afraid she would be traumatized for life.

:shrug:

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


And, no where has there been any published reports that Michelle and Jason fought, or that Jason had any reason to kill her,but that doesn't stop some of you from making those statements anyway.

I am one of the ones that would like the crime scene shown (without the body) just to see how anyone could not know a murder had happened from first impact.

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

I don't know who you're referring to with "some of you", but I haven't said that Jason and Michelle fought. And I beg to differ regarding published reports that Jason had a reason to kill her. There have been published reports of the life insurance policy and the alleged affair, either of which can reasonably be construed as motive.

HOWEVER, I have NOT seen any published reports that would indicate a motive for Meredith, have you?

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Where does it say that?

I said she is movng on, she sure looks happy, not like someone who found the dead body of a loved one 17 months ago.

Hey, people grieve differently, it only took her , what? 5 months to rebound with a purse sale on Ebay..

I was so afraid she would be traumatized for life.

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

A purse sale on eBay. Are you kidding me? What has that got to do with the murder of Michelle Young? Is that more RUMOR?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Danica


I'll tell you what IS on the record that supports the belief that LE is on Jasons trail, upwards of 10 search warrants focused on Jason Young, his belongings, his girlfriend and his mother and sisters homes that he has been living in since the murder. While search warrants are not evidence, they certainly are evidence on where and at whom LE is looking as they work towards solving this murder. Not one search warrant has been issued for Meredith or anyone else, so that is absolute BS for certain posters to continue this innuendo that she is the guilty party.
I don't know where you're coming from with your comment about posters conveniently overlooking anything, there are only a few facts known in this case and the biggest one is ALL SEARCH WARRANTS FOCUS ON JASON YOUNG. Sorry, but your theories really are full of holes, Jason IS who they are looking at, not Meredith or her mother or her boyfriend. JMO [/*]


I have never said I think her sister is guilty, only that the 911 call does not ring true to me.

And that, she looks nothing like her sister, no matter how hard she tries.

Michelle was a natural and worked hard.

You see the difference yet?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


This case is only "cold" in certain hearts and in the Young's dreams, it is far from that distinction in reality.

MOO

Swabby [/*]

Good, then you can answer my earlier question.

When does a case become cold.?

TIA

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


A purse sale on eBay. Are you kidding me? What has that got to do with the murder of Michelle Young? Is that more RUMOR? [/*]

Nope, that was linked here with a pic .
I am not sure I would be thinking about a purse five months after I lost my only sister, but, hey, that's just me .

My sister and I arethisclose.

:)
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by agathachristie


It is laughable by all accounts and IMO.
I just hope these posts remain.....for some time.;) [/*]

All you have to do is hit print and save the pages yourself.

^5.

:)
Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



I have never said I think her sister is guilty, only that the 911 call does not ring true to me.

And that, she looks nothing like her sister, no matter how hard she tries.

Michelle was a natural and worked hard.

You see the difference yet?

Kat [/*]

No, sorry, I don't. What exactly is your point?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Nope, that was linked here with a pic .
I am not sure I would be thinking about a purse five months after I lost my only sister, but, hey, that's just me .

My sister and I arethisclose.

:)
Kat [/*]

Oh, horrors, Meredith MAY have sold a purse on eBay 5 months after her sister was murdered. OMG, she MAY even have gotten her hair cut, or a pedicure, or....heaven forbid, a bikini wax. I see what you mean. Only shallow people, incapable of emotion, would do those things.

Sarcasm intended.

And JMO

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



"They " said a lot of things in the beginning.
"They " have never gone back to update or correct any of it.
"They " just left it out there for everyone to think it was true.

If "they" were right in thinking this was not random, not a robbery, why can't "they" get an arrest.???

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

Have you seen anything to the contrary?

Any retractions?

:cough: I guess not.

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Have no fear.

They were PLASTERED with the reward poster!

Sorry no link, but any "station" that was missed (or mysteriously removed...HMM) by LE were taken care of. D)

Media doesn't necessarilly cover everything.

MOO

Swabby [/*]


Good!!

Pics should have been and still should be everywhere.

:)
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by agathachristie


Baloney.
You have always said the sister is guilty.
You can't back out now.
Everyone knows that is what you have said.
Any poster from the beginning days is well aware of how you have trashed the sister( those that haven't and would never)
You see the difference? Your words and other posters words?
Don't be afraid, Kat.
Take ownership for your words.
They are your words and they are here.
Will you stand by them in the end?
Just wondering, and JMHO.....Aggie [/*][/QUOTE


Please show me a post where I have accused the only sister of murder.
L E said everyone close to Michelle was being looked at, so I looked at everyone.

And, I was not here in the beginning, I arrived onboard around SuperBowl '07.......

And, anything I post I will stand by,

Kat

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



"They " said a lot of things in the beginning.
"They " have never gone back to update or correct any of it.
"They " just left it out there for everyone to think it was true.

If "they" were right in thinking this was not random, not a robbery, why can't "they" get an arrest.???

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

Mayhaps, just mayhaps an INNOCENT husband could clarify a few things, Hmm.....wonder why Jason Lynn Young won't open his mouth?

Rylan is depending on him!

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Yep, that is why she was 5 months pregnant with his baby, because she was going to leave him any second.

:rolleyes:

Kat [/*]

ONLY a select few know the circumstances of Rylan's ABORTED attempt into this world.

MOO

Swabby

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Mayhaps, just mayhaps an INNOCENT husband could clarify a few things, Hmm.....wonder why Jason Lynn Young won't open his mouth?

Rylan is depending on him!

MOO

Swabby [/*]

Apparently, Swabby, his constitutional rights take precedence over justice for his murdered wife and son.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by 5swab5


ONLY a select few know the circumstaces of Rylan's ABORTED attempt into this world.

MOO

Swabby [/*]

If that means what I think it does.......never mind, I don't want to know. Some things are best left private.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Mayhaps, just mayhaps an INNOCENT husband could clarify a few things, Hmm.....wonder why Jason Lynn Young won't open his mouth?

Rylan is depending on him!

MOO

Swabby [/*]

Why do you call him by his full name? Just wondering....

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


ONLY a select few know the circumstaces of Rylan's ABORTED attempt into this world.

MOO

Swabby [/*]

Where are you going with this one?
That Jason wanted Michelle to not have the baby, she refused, so he killed them both.
I think I saw that movie in only a few selected theatres.

:rolleyes:

Kat

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Where does it say that?

I said she is movng on, she sure looks happy, not like someone who found the dead body of a loved one 17 months ago.

Hey, people grieve differently, it only took her , what? 5 months to rebound with a purse sale on Ebay..

I was so afraid she would be traumatized for life.

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

I can NOT believe that you would even try to compare "selling a purse" on EBay, juxtaposed wirh Jason DATING in the same amount of time.

You blow my mind!

MOO!

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


I can NOT believe that you would even try to compare "selling a purse" on EBay, juxtaposed wirh Jason DATING in the same amount of time.

You blow my mind!

MOO!

Swabby [/*]

The handbag had a valid link to prove its authenticity, do you have a valid link to show the authenticity of Jason dating again?

TIA

Kat

[5swab5]

Originally posted by june1943

What are you saying? Are you saying Michelle tried to abort the baby? Are you saying she wasn't happy about the baby and wanted out of the marriage? [/*]

Please,

I said that the circumstances following a TA, DO NOT fall in the line with all that is "right" in a marriage!

(I'm trying to be delicate here)

MOO!

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943


She said in the past that he broke her life. i am assuming that she is someone real close to Jason. JMO [/*]

I remember that....

Maybe someday she/he will tell us of their connection, or why they feel so close to the case.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Like I said.
They are your words, your posts, and they indict the innocent sister.
Glad to know you will stand by your posts.
Remember these words. Your words.
;) [/*]

Unless the GJ indicts her, I wouldn't worry.

:)

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Unless the GJ indicts her, I wouldn't worry.

:)

Kat [/*]

Then you should sleep well tonight.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Please,

I said that the circumstances following a TA, DO NOT fall in the line with all that is "right" in a marriage!

(I'm trying to be delicate here)

MOO!

Swabby [/*]

Maybe you should just drop it then.

I know how bad some of you want Jason to pay for this crime, I know how mad it makes some of you that he is free, but you can't expect the rest of us to think the way you do.

For how many months have we heard about the mountains of evidence against Jason, well, where is it?
How many months have some of you promised that a arrest was near, going to happen, any second, minute, day, now?

I thought you knew something , so I waited to hear what it was.
And, then we have to sort through all the rumors to get to any kind of substance.
And, there still isn't anything when you get there.
Nothing.

It all comes down to the fact that either there is enough evidence for an arrest or there isn't.

You know how easy it is to get an indictment?

So, get one.
:shrug:

Kat

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Yep, that is why she was 5 months pregnant with his baby, because she was going to leave him any second.

:rolleyes:

Kat [/*]


ITA. :beer:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Like I said.
They are your words, your posts, and they indict the innocent sister.
Glad to know you will stand by your posts.
Remember these words. Your words.
;) [/*]

all are presumed innocent until proved guilty, including the sister.
Even after a conviction, some never admit their guilt.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by june1943

Its been 18 months and the DA hasn't gone to the GJ I am starting to think this case will not be solved. [/*]

I think quite a few insiders feel the case was solved six months ago, June.

Be patient for those remaining lab results......

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by FaithHope

There is already enough there for an indictment.
They want to make absolutely sure for a conviction. [/*]

Yes, indeed!

:beer:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by 5swab5


I can NOT believe that you would even try to compare "selling a purse" on EBay, juxtaposed wirh Jason DATING in the same amount of time.

You blow my mind!

MOO!

Swabby [/*]Link to Jason dating.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by FaithHope

There is already enough there for an indictment.
They want to make absolutely sure for a conviction. [/*]I call bull.

If there was enough for an indictment, they would present to the GJ and get it.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by FaithHope

There is already enough there for an indictment.
They want to make absolutely sure for a conviction. [/*]


So help them out, Bud.

Bring charges.

Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by alter ego
I call bull.

If there was enough for an indictment, they would present to the GJ and get it. [/*]

You do know that getting an indictment is not the same as getting a conviction, right?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Please,

I said that the circumstances following a TA, DO NOT fall in the line with all that is "right" in a marriage!

(I'm trying to be delicate here)

MOO!

Swabby [/*]What circumstances are you referring to? Is there a credible link to any of this or is this just a rumor based on someone's overactive imagination?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego
I call bull.

If there was enough for an indictment, they would present to the GJ and get it. [/*]

Exactly, take that mountain of evidence to the GJ, get your indictment, bring charges, make them stick..
It could all be over.

Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Barbara2


You do know that getting an indictment is not the same as getting a conviction, right? [/*]
Sure do. How about you?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by alter ego

Sure do. How about you? [/*]

Exactly. So you answered your own question.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Not a bit worried, Sweetie.;) [/*]

Unless you are the sister, you have no reason to be worried, do you?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Unless you are the sister, you have no reason to be worried, do you? [/*]

I have no doubt that the sister and all the other family members who love Michelle are worried. Wouldn't you be if you realized that the killer of your loved one was walking the streets a free man?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Exactly, take that mountain of evidence to the GJ, get your indictment, bring charges, make them stick..
It could all be over.

Kat [/*]Or just get an indictment and call it done since some seem to think the burden of proof is the same for an indictment as it is for a conviction.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by alter ego
Or just get an indictment and call it done since some seem to think the burden of proof is the same for an indictment as it is for a conviction. [/*]

some seem to think the DA is waiting because he wants a slam dunk conviction for Jason but refuse to believe he is waiting because he wants a slam dunk conviction for Meredith. Go figure.

:shrug:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by FaithHope


His mother.
His sisters.
And Gojo. [/*]That's not a link.

Link please.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by FaithHope



Oh yes, and don't forget several other Brevard neighbors.;) [/*]Once again, link to this fact or stop with the rumors.

tia

[alter ego]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


some seem to think the DA is waiting because he wants a slam dunk conviction for Jason but refuse to believe he is waiting because he wants a slam dunk conviction for Meredith. Go figure.

:shrug: [/*]But Sheriff Donnie told us that no one has been cleared. :eek:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Exactly. So you answered your own question. [/*]


:confused:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by alter ego



:confused: [/*]:shrug:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Barbara2
:shrug: [/*]My question was 'how about you' and I didn't answer that question like you seem to think

:shrug:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by alter ego
My question was 'how about you' and I didn't answer that question like you seem to think

:shrug: [/*]

You indicated that you understood that the evidence needed for an indictment was not the same as the evidence needed for a conviction. I took you at your word.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Absolutely concur; (SEMICOLON) nor does the sister need to worry. You can take that to the bank. ;) [/*]

I have no money poised on the outcome. My interest is purely justice for Michelle and holding the real killer accountable. I think the sister should be plenty worried. Whether she is capable of such an emotion is doubtful. She certainly had no problem bragging about her drug use on various web forums prior to the murder.

jmo

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by alter ego
But Sheriff Donnie told us that no one has been cleared. :eek: [/*]

I doubt anybody will be cleared until Sheriff Donnie holds a press conference announcing the sister's arrest.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Barbara2


You indicated that you understood that the evidence needed for an indictment was not the same as the evidence needed for a conviction. I took you at your word. [/*]


I asked you a question, specifically 'how about you'. How does my response answer the question I asked YOU?

:confused:

Originally posted by alter ego

Sure do. How about you? [/*]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Exactly. So you answered your own question. [/*]

:read:

:shrug:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by agathachristie


I tend to disagree with what you have said.
I think you want to pin the murder on the innocent sister.
I think the husband should be plenty worried.
I would never assume to doubt that he is capable of such an emotion as I don't know him.
Do you know the sister to make your assumption about her?
I know nothing of the web forums that you refer to.
As always, MHO.......Aggie [/*]

The murder isn't going to be pinned on an innocent person. That's the beauty of our justice system.

I don't have to know someone form an opinion about them based on their own Internet postings.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by FaithHope


"No one's been cleared."

And the only NO ONE is Jason!

ONE Jason Lynn Young has not been cleared!

Not investigating ANYONE but JLY! [/*]
Direct quotes require a link.

And the rest of your post after the quote is just your wishful thinking because it's not what Sheriff Donnie said or implied.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by agathachristie
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MandyMutton


SNIPPED...................................

The murder isn't going to be pinned on an innocent person. That's the beauty of our justice system.

.................................................. .............................

Keep in mind that you spoke these words. I agree wholeheartedly.;) [/*]

Absolutely. Jason has remained totally silent and I applaud his resolve.

LE knows killers can't keep their mouths shut.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Absolutely. Jason has remained totally silent and I applaud his resolve.

LE knows killers can't keep their mouths shut. [/*]

Has Meredith been talking?

[5swab5]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


some seem to think the DA is waiting because he wants a slam dunk conviction for Jason but refuse to believe he is waiting because he wants a slam dunk conviction for Meredith. Go figure.

:shrug: [/*]

Meredith is NOT/NEVER has been on the radar!

Show me ONE Search Warrant with her name on it!

OOPS, Can't.

There might be a reason for that!

All, except for the Valentine's Day Masacre²... Jason Lynn Young alone has been the focus. On that day, they went after HIS sister & Ma Pat's homes. Wonder why, I can almost guarantee you that Meredith doesn't live there!

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

Meredith? :eek:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
Once again, link to this fact or stop with the rumors.

tia [/*]

Does the same rule apply to the rumors of Meredith's alleged drug use and the rumors of missing jewelry? Or do you only invoke the rule in defense of Jason?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Does the same rule apply to the rumors of Meredith's alleged drug use and the rumors of missing jewelry? Or do you only invoke the rule in defense of Jason? [/*]I read Meredith's posting about illegal drug use myself. Her facebook page was linked right on this board!

Missing jewelry could be an element of the crime. Jason's social life is not.

Defense of Jason? No. Defense of IUPG and requiring something more than character assassination to determine guilt.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego
I read Meredith's posting about illegal drug use myself. Her facebook page was linked right on this board!

Missing jewelry could be an element of the crime. Jason's social life is not.

Defense of Jason? No. Defense of IUPG and requiring something more than character assassination to determine guilt. [/*]






That's what worries me the most is with the little we know, yet others say mountains of damaging evidence.

I keep asking where it is.

:shrug:

Kat

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles




That's what worries me the most is with the little we know, yet others say mountains of damaging evidence.

I keep asking where it is.

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

So far, the only damaging evidence against Jason seems to be destined to remain locked inside the figments of imagination.

[Jules2]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


So far, the only damaging evidence against Jason seems to be destined to remain locked inside the figments of imagination. [/*]

Speaking of figments of imagination.....

How about all that damaging evidence against Michelle's sister? Yep, stacks of SW's with imaginary links to show proof.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Jules2


Speaking of figments of imagination.....

How about all that damaging evidence against Michelle's sister? Yep, stacks of SW's with imaginary links to show proof. [/*]

Several search warrants haven't been returned. That's a fact, not imaginary.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles




That's what worries me the most is with the little we know, yet others say mountains of damaging evidence.

I keep asking where it is.

:shrug:

Kat [/*]Yes, where is it. And why han't it reclassifed this case as 'solved'. And why hasn't it been presented to a GJ.

[Jules2]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Several search warrants haven't been returned. That's a fact, not imaginary. [/*]


Link please for the unreturned SW's involving Michelle's sister, not the sealed ones pertaining to the searches of Jason's family member's homes.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Jules2



Link please for the unreturned SW's involving Michelle's sister, not the sealed ones pertaining to the searches of Jason's family member's homes. [/*]


I can't link to unreturned search warrants.

To my knowledge, no search warrants have been sealed. LE did not publicly identify the owners of the several residences searched but I heard not just homes of Jason's family members were searched.

A seal is a matter of public record so if you could link to it, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Blaze


There is no link Jules2. MF has never been the subject of any warrant and has nothing to do with her sister's murder. No amount of spinning can change the facts.Jason Young is the subject of every warrant and Jason Young is not talking. [/*]Unless you have seen the case file, you have no idea what warrants may have been sealed upon return that no one here is privy to.

Oh, and Jason is not the subject of 'every warrant'.

No amount of spinning will change that fact.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Blaze


If you can't prove that other homes were searched and its something you just "heard", its simply another rumor. [/*]
Like Jason dating?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Blaze


There is no link Jules2. MF has never been the subject of any warrant and has nothing to do with her sister's murder. No amount of spinning can change the facts.Jason Young is the subject of every warrant and Jason Young is not talking. [/*]

Of course there is no link to unreturned search warrants. They haven't been made public.

We already know Jason hasn't been the "subject" of every search warrant. There have been warrants for computers, cell phones, Michelle's house, deck, footprint measurements, cars and on and on.

No amount of your spinning will change the facts of this case.

:shrug:

[Jules2]

Originally posted by MandyMutton



I can't link to unreturned search warrants.

To my knowledge, no search warrants have been sealed. LE did not publicly identify the owners of the several residences searched but I heard not just homes of Jason's family members were searched.

A seal is a matter of public record so if you could link to it, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. [/*]


Well, if you can't provide a link that verifies there are SW's against Michelle's sister, you shouldn't post it as fact like you did. "I heard" isn't proof and just because you heard something, doesn't make it fact either.

AlterEgo has been trying to get posters to provide links to their statements ( well, everyone, except the JII's)

.....and CW, has warned members plenty of times about posting rumors as fact.

So....... as long as you can't provide proper proof, it is speculation on your part. We'll just have to chalk that one up as another rumor. :shrug:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by june1943


I have heard for 18 months "help LE find your spouse's murderer" Are you saying LE is so imcompentent in Wake county they can't solve a case without spousal help? On one hand you think Jason killed Michelle on the other hand you want him to help find the killer. Do you think other murderers help LE catch them? [/*]Even after Sheriff Donnie said they sure would like to talk to Jason but his silence has only slowed them down, not stopped them.

Thing is, LE doesn't want an atty in the room with they interrogate someone. What fun would that be?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Blaze


Gojo confirmed it. So I guess it depends on whether you want to believe him or not. [/*]


Is he the one who said there was jewelry missing too?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Blaze


More rumors.

I have to address this though. You wouldn't help LE find your spouse's murderer if they took your mom's medicine? Are you kidding me? Well I guess Jason Young really showed LE didn't he!?? [/*]

You're kidding yourself if you actually believe Jason's cooperation would have resulted in his mother's meds being returned to her.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Blaze


Gojo confirmed it. So I guess it depends on whether you want to believe him or not. [/*]

oh now this is rich.

The same Gojo some obsess over to the point they made a website to do nothing but insult him?

Oh, and let's not forget the rules - if you can't link to a credible source and are basing it just on something you heard, it's just a RUMOR.

Least that is the 'rule' the Jason-did-its want to apply to anyone who disagrees with them.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943


Why doesn't LE simply bring him in for questioning? They may think he will say I want my attorney so get him his attorney . Ask what ever they want with the attorney there. From what I understand this all started upon arrival to Raleigh. The Young family were prepared to give LE all the help they wanted. Then LE demanded Jason's Mom put her suitcase back in the car they were already impounding ,when she asked if she could take her medicine out the cop said no. If someone withheld my Moms meds from her then I would tell them it would be a cold day in hezz before they would get any help from me. JMO [/*]



I would bring him in on anything, maybe that's what the speeding tix was supposed to do, pull him over, issue a ticket, see how he reacted, and just keep bugging him.

It is pretty apparent after all this time, they do NOT have what it takes to get a real arrest.

Some people can keep making excuses for the length of time, that L E is building this rock solid case, that they have to be sure, those little ducks in a row thing, those i's dotted, and t's crossed, but come on.

This is past ridiculous now....and it is time to admit it.

Kat

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Jules2



Well, if you can't provide a link that verifies there are SW's against Michelle's sister, you shouldn't post it as fact like you did. "I heard" isn't proof and just because you heard something, doesn't make it fact either.

AlterEgo has been trying to get posters to provide links to their statements ( well, everyone, except the JII's)

.....and CW, has warned members plenty of times about posting rumors as fact.

So....... as long as you can't provide proper proof, it is speculation on your part. We'll just have to chalk that one up as another rumor. :shrug: [/*]

I made it clear I heard it and that is sufficient according to the TOS.

From CW on Feedback thread:


*************************************************
If you "HEARD" it, how can you link.

You can't link a conversation, either one two people have had or one you've heard on TV. We have families and friends of many on boards who "tell" many personal things. How can they link or how can we prove it is impossible. Rules were signed when they became members. If any of what they type or tell is untrue THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE for any actions taken against them if there should be.

It is your decision to believe or not to believe what is not "quoted" or not from an article.
***********************************************

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Blaze


More rumors.

I have to address this though. You wouldn't help LE find your spouse's murderer if they took your mom's medicine? Are you kidding me? Well I guess Jason Young really showed LE didn't he!?? [/*]


Here is the problem with that , Blaze.

When Jason got back to town, he already had the heads up he was numbero ono suspecto.

They found his hotel receipt, whether voluntarily or with a s w. and he told them where he had been.

So, then he and his family decide to stay out of LE's way, and later on hire their own Columbo or Matlock.

So far, so good, wouldn't you say?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Blaze


Gojo confirmed it. So I guess it depends on whether you want to believe him or not. [/*]


I never saw a post where Gojo said that.
You still have it?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Blaze


If you can't prove that other homes were searched and its something you just "heard", its simply another rumor. [/*]

So, it would go in the same column with the
car accident
boat accident,
other affairs,
Michelle and Jason fighting
talking of a divorce,

That column?

Kat

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by june1943


Us ladies just like to look at all sides of a case. We don't wear spousal blinders. We sure wouldn't want the wrong person sent to prison then there would have been no justice for Michelle. I also try to think what Michelle would want me to do. I don't think she would want me to make up bad things about the man she loved if he was innocent. [/*]

well said. Justice is making sure the right person is held accountable.

[lilismom]

Originally posted by june1943


Us ladies just like to look at all sides of a case. We don't wear spousal blinders. We sure wouldn't want the wrong person sent to prison then there would have been no justice for Michelle. I also try to think what Michelle would want me to do. I don't think she would want me to make up bad things about the man she loved if he was innocent. [/*]

Just curious - did you know Michelle?

I didn't know her but I feel like I know a little about her just from watching the video clips of her with her daughter. So sad. Have you watched them?

Probably stating the obvious here but I bet she wouldn't like the things being said about her mother and sister either.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Blaze


Man oh man, you ladies sure have a soft spot for ole' Booty Boy dontchas? He can do no wrong and is victimized by everyone.

He can not talk all he wants and you can make up all the excuses you want for him. No real man would refuse to speak with LE about his wifes murder. I have a feeling that Jason Young's entire life has been full of women who make excuses for his bad behavior and try to get everyone to feel sorry for him.

It ain't workin' on me. He is a coward IMO and is nothing but enabled by the women in his life. [/*]


I wouldn't care if Jason was Urkel and the same amount of evidence applied.

Show me something more than rumors and more than gossip.

Show me Jason was back in Raleigh.
Show me scratches on his body.
Show me clothes dripping with blood.

Show me anything, like that all elusive Iknowthereisonebutcan'tquitenailitdown motive.

:shrug:

Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Blaze


Man oh man, you ladies sure have a soft spot for ole' Booty Boy dontchas? He can do no wrong and is victimized by everyone.

He can not talk all he wants and you can make up all the excuses you want for him. No real man would refuse to speak with LE about his wifes murder. I have a feeling that Jason Young's entire life has been full of women who make excuses for his bad behavior and try to get everyone to feel sorry for him.

It ain't workin' on me. He is a coward IMO and is nothing but enabled by the women in his life. [/*]
Now you are the expert on what a 'real man' is?

Now that's FUNNY!

Guess the founding forefathers weren't 'real men' since they found it necessary to grant the right to remain silent.

I'm not sure where you get your 'feelings', but you might want to base them on reality and not an overactive imagination.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by lilismom


Just curious - did you know Michelle?

I didn't know her but I feel like I know a little about her just from watching the video clips of her with her daughter. So sad. Have you watched them?

Probably stating the obvious here but I bet she wouldn't like the things being said about her mother and sister either.

IMO,
Lilismom [/*]

And, I bet she would not like anyone calling her huband a cold blooded murderer either, without evidence to back it up.
Jason is her daughter's father.

Kat

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Blaze


Which is why you shouldn't be trying to implicate MF. [/*]

on the 911 tape, MF implicates herself, imo

[lilismom]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



I wouldn't care if Jason was Urkel and the same amount of evidence applied.

Show me something more than rumors and more than gossip.

Show me Jason was back in Raleigh.
Show me scratches on his body.
Show me clothes dripping with blood.

Show me anything, like that all elusive Iknowthereisonebutcan'tquitenailitdown motive.

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

Kat, c'mon, the insurance proceeds isn't motive? What because he hasn't collected it yet? Who's fault is that?

IMO,
Lilismom

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


So, it would go in the same column with the
car accident
boat accident,
other affairs,
Michelle and Jason fighting
talking of a divorce,

That column?

Kat [/*]

Ut oh - the mountain of evidence is just a bunch o'rumors?

:eek:

[lilismom]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


And, I bet she would not like anyone calling her huband a cold blooded murderer either, without evidence to back it up.
Jason is her daughter's father.

Kat [/*]

So. Plenty of cold blooded murderers have kids. Shame but if it is him, do you think Michelle wouldn't want him punished because he's her daughter's father?

IMO,
Lilismom

[lilismom]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


on the 911 tape, MF implicates herself, imo [/*]

She does? Where?

IMO,
Lilismom

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Blaze


My opinion is that a real man would speak to LE about his wife's murder. You do not have to agree with my opinion. [/*]Oh, like the 'real man' Jeffrey MacDonald was because he spoke to LE about his wife's murder?


A 'real man' like that?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by lilismom


Kat, c'mon, the insurance proceeds isn't motive? What because he hasn't collected it yet? -snip-
IMO,
Lilismom [/*]

Yep.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by lilismom


So. Plenty of cold blooded murderers have kids. Shame but if it is him, do you think Michelle wouldn't want him punished because he's her daughter's father?

IMO,
Lilismom [/*]

And plenty of cold blooded murders try to help themselves to someone else's kid.

Do you think Michelle wouldn't want her sister punished just because she's her daughter's aunt?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by lilismom


She does? Where?

IMO,
Lilismom [/*]

Throughout the tape. Other posters have said the tape has been enhanced and is now in the hands of LE.

[lilismom]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


And plenty of cold blooded murders try to help themselves to someone else's kid.

Do you think Michelle wouldn't want her sister punished just because she's her daughter's aunt? [/*]

Do you really, deep down in your heart of hearts, think Meredith killed Michelle? And do you really think she killed Michelle so that she could have CY? How would she get around the Will? If true, Meredith wasn't to get custody of CY right? What was she gonna do, kill everybody who might fight her?

I would hope not. I would hope that Michelle was the kind of person that would be able to see justice done, even if it was one of her own. What's right is right. Even if it hurts.

IMO,
Lilismom

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Blaze
3

Of course not. If Jason Young is as innocent as you all proclaim him to be, he should have no fear of talking to LE. Since he chooses to hide behind his mommy's skirt, he is, IMO, a man who is a coward and could really care less about his dead wife and baby. Nor does he care about justice for them.

IMO [/*]

If Jason Young is innocent, he should have no fear of NOT talking to LE. What you disrespectfully refer to as "mommy's skirt" is in reality called the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Blaze
3

Of course not. If Jason Young is as innocent as you all proclaim him to be, he should have no fear of talking to LE. Since he chooses to hide behind his mommy's skirt, he is, IMO, a man who is a coward and could really care less about his dead wife and baby. Nor does he care about justice for them.

IMO [/*]
But you said a real man would talk to LE and Jeffrey MacDonald did just that making him a 'real man' per your definition.

Who said he was afraid to talk to LE?

And 'hiding behind mommy's skirt'. :rolleyes: Aren't you an adult?

Again with the 'coward'. He's a coward because his lawyer told him to not say a word and he is taking that advice?

Gosh, to bad his silence isn't evidence. Maybe if it was they could get an indictment, huh?

[lilismom]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Throughout the tape. Other posters have said the tape has been enhanced and is now in the hands of LE. [/*]

I don't care about an enhanced version I have not heard. What about the 911 tape that is available? Where on that version does she implicate herself? While you're at it, since you seem so convinced Meredith did this, care to make me a short list of the reasons why?

So far we have:

911 tape
Custody of CY

What else?

IMO,
Lilismom

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by lilismom


I don't care about an enhanced version I have not heard. What about the 911 tape that is available? Where on that version does she implicate herself? While you're at it, since you seem so convinced Meredith did this, care to make me a short list of the reasons why?

So far we have:

911 tape
Custody of CY

What else?

IMO,
Lilismom [/*]

Actually the list is quite long and complicated and you give the distinct impression you really don't care.

Have a nice afternoon.:seeya:

[awareness]

Im hopeful there's other evidence that incriminates Jason that LE hasn't disclosed yet. Time will tell.

JMO/IMO

[lilismom]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Actually the list is quite long and complicated and you give the distinct impression you really don't care.

Have a nice afternoon.:seeya: [/*]

You shouldn't assume.

I will and thank you. :seeya:

IMO,
Lilismom

[lilismom]

Originally posted by june1943


Deep down in my heart I think Mere could just as easily have killed Michelle as Jason. I don't think Cassie had a thing to do with it. I think whoever killed Michelle did so out of anger. [/*]

I asked before and you didn't answer. Did you know Michelle?

While I just don't see it myself, I respect your opinion. I can't say for sure who killed Michelle. I don't think anyone really can with any certainty. I think you can feel it and know it in your heart but IMO there aren't enough facts available to really decide for 100% certain. At least not to me. At least not with what I've read.

This is why, contrary to some opinions that I really don't care, I ask for the list that points to Meredith. I would really like to see why people think it could be her. Not just as easily her as anyone, really and truly why her and not me or you or Jason or George Clooney. Why Meredith and NOT Jason?

IMO,
Lilismom

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
I read Meredith's posting about illegal drug use myself. Her facebook page was linked right on this board!

Missing jewelry could be an element of the crime. Jason's social life is not.

Defense of Jason? No. Defense of IUPG and requiring something more than character assassination to determine guilt. [/*]

Fine, then link the facebook page again so I can see it. Otherwise, it's rumor, imo.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Actually the list is quite long and complicated and you give the distinct impression you really don't care.

Have a nice afternoon.:seeya: [/*]

That's a weak answer, imo. It indicates you can't provide what the poster requested.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles




I would bring him in on anything, maybe that's what the speeding tix was supposed to do, pull him over, issue a ticket, see how he reacted, and just keep bugging him.

It is pretty apparent after all this time, they do NOT have what it takes to get a real arrest.

Some people can keep making excuses for the length of time, that L E is building this rock solid case, that they have to be sure, those little ducks in a row thing, those i's dotted, and t's crossed, but come on.

This is past ridiculous now....and it is time to admit it.

Kat [/*]

Past ridiculous - that could describe a lot of things about this case, but not the length of time invested by the WCSO, imo.

LE obviously had enough probable cause to obtain the 2/14 SWs. Given that, it would be really easy for the DA to obtain an indictment. A ham sandwich with mustard, even. And Jason could be arrested. Done.

Of course, I'm sure he'd get bail. But it would probably have limitations that might impact his job, and would definitely ensure that any future vacations were limited to taking CY to Tweetsie.

And then there would be a trial. Would the DA get a conviction? Who knows. Regardless, Jason would spend the rest of his life branded as a murderer who got away on technicalities or lack of evidence. Impacting his future employment, future relationships...his future, period.

So why doesn't LE arrest him? They could move on to other cases, and call this one "solved". Blame it on the DA for not getting a conviction.

Contrarily, the length of time devoted to this investigation tells me that LE is determined to get it right, the first time.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Past ridiculous - that could describe a lot of things about this case, but not the length of time invested by the WCSO, imo.

LE obviously had enough probable cause to obtain the 2/14 SWs. Given that, it would be really easy for the DA to obtain an indictment. A ham sandwich with mustard, even. And Jason could be arrested. Done.

Of course, I'm sure he'd get bail. But it would probably have limitations that might impact his job, and would definitely ensure that any future vacations were limited to taking CY to Tweetsie.

And then there would be a trial. Would the DA get a conviction? Who knows. Regardless, Jason would spend the rest of his life branded as a murderer who got away on technicalities or lack of evidence. Impacting his future employment, future relationships...his future, period.

So why doesn't LE arrest him? They could move on to other cases, and call this one "solved". Blame it on the DA for not getting a conviction.

Contrarily, the length of time devoted to this investigation tells me that LE is determined to get it right, the first time.

JMO [/*]

Hi Card.
You can correct me if I am wrong, but do you really think that whoever is arrested for this murder (should be a double murder) they are going to get bail?

I don't think so.

As to your last paragraph, I think L E somehow got it wrong from the beginning, and don't know how they are going to fix it.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Hi Card.
You can correct me if I am wrong, but do you really think that whoever is arrested for this murder (should be a double murder) they are going to get bail?

I don't think so.

As to your last paragraph, I think L E somehow got it wrong from the beginning, and don't know how they are going to fix it.

Kat [/*]

IF Jason is arrested for this murder, it wouldn't surprise me if he were granted bail. Of course, that would be a major financial strain on his family, but who knows. I don't think he'd be considered a flight risk, or a danger to anyone else, so it's possible.

And I don't think LE has spent all of this time trying to "fix it". Why would they? If someone else is guilty, why would they spend all of this time avoiding an arrrest of the guilty party?

JMO

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Hi Card.
You can correct me if I am wrong, but do you really think that whoever is arrested for this murder (should be a double murder) they are going to get bail?

I don't think so.

As to your last paragraph, I think L E somehow got it wrong from the beginning, and don't know how they are going to fix it.

Kat [/*]

ITA. There will be no bail once an arrest is made. That's a given, imo.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


ITA. There will be no bail once an arrest is made. That's a given, imo. [/*]

Fine. IF Jason is arrested, he won't get bail. Okay.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


IF Jason is arrested for this murder, it wouldn't surprise me if he were granted bail. Of course, that would be a major financial strain on his family, but who knows. I don't think he'd be considered a flight risk, or a danger to anyone else, so it's possible.

And I don't think LE has spent all of this time trying to "fix it". Why would they? If someone else is guilty, why would they spend all of this time avoiding an arrrest of the guilty party?

JMO [/*]

I still think no bail for several reasons.

My comment about fixing the investigation does not mean it was compromised, only that they made some crucial initial mistakes that now need fixing..

Better?

:D

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


I still think no bail for several reasons.

My comment about fixing the investigation does not mean it was compromised, only that they made some crucial initial mistakes that now need fixing..

Better?

:D

Kat [/*]

Kat, I'll agree with you that LE may have made some mistakes. They're human, and humans make mistakes. Maybe the evidence collection wasn't perfect. Maybe the procedural elements weren't perfect.

But I would find it really difficult to believe that the error level was so extreme that LE couldn't determine the murderer.

JMO

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


June, I'm having difficulties putting your various statements together in a way that makes sense.

You recently claimed on several boards that you attended Michelle Young's funeral, and further made claims that you were physically close enough to the mother of the murder victim that 18 months later you could quote what she said at the funeral.

Today you claim that you didn't know Michelle.

Since you did not know Michelle, what were you doing at her funeral, and why were you so close to the mother of a murder victim during her daughter's funeral? It seems really disrespectful to be cozying up with strangers when they are burying their loved ones.

Something is drastically wrong with the picture you paint. [/*]

Wasn't Michelle's obituary in the newspaper? Were the husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers of Michelle and Jason's coworkers, friends and family required to prove they personally knew Michelle in order to attend her funeral? Somehow, I doubt it.:shrug:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Wasn't Michelle's obituary in the newspaper? Were the husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers of Michelle and Jason's coworkers, friends and family required to prove they personally knew Michelle in order to attend her funeral? Somehow, I doubt it.:shrug: [/*]

So, are you saying you think it's normal to attend funerals of people you don't know?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


I still think no bail for several reasons.

My comment about fixing the investigation does not mean it was compromised, only that they made some crucial initial mistakes that now need fixing..

Better?

:D

Kat [/*]

They can't actually fix their past mistakes. What they can do is wait for wiretaps, covert surveillance and other investigative techniques to turn up additional evidence and that's what I think they've been doing. If they believe two people were involved, only a matter of time before one of them slips, is arrested and rolls on the other in exchange for the DP being lifted.

jmo

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


They can't actually fix their past mistakes. What they can do is wait for wiretaps, covert surveillance and other investigative techniques to turn up additional evidence and that's what I think they've been doing. If they believe two people were involved, only a matter of time before one of them slips, is arrested and rolls on the other in exchange for the DP being lifted.

jmo [/*]

I've seen nothing published that indicates two people were involved. What are you referring to?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


Funerals are not social events where people bring a guest. They are a place where people show their respect and say goodbye.

Strangers and sightseers have no place at funerals. [/*]

GMAB. "People" often ask their spouse or a close friend/family member to accompany them to a funeral.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


GMAB. "People" often ask their spouse or a close friend/family member to accompany them to a funeral. [/*]

So, June, are you a spouse or a close friend/family member?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


So, are you saying you think it's normal to attend funerals of people you don't know? [/*]


Is it normal to view autopsy photos of a complete stranger?

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Is it normal to view autopsy photos of a complete stranger?

Kat [/*]

It's not something I personally would have any desire to do, but if someone chose to do that...........whatever. Same for the funeral. If a stranger chose to attend Michelle's funeral......whatever. That's not something I personally would do, either.

But I'm not everybody.

ETA: The person who chose to view the autopsy photos was pretty up front about it. June, OTOH, has been very cagey about whether or not she personally attended the funeral. Why?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by zed


Funerals are not social events where people bring a guest. They are a place where people show their respect and say goodbye.

Strangers and sightseers have no place at funerals. [/*]

I would hardly think friends of someone in the family, co-workers and neighbors are strangers or sightseers. These people may not know the deceased personally but are there to support family members or close friends that they do know.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Is it normal to view autopsy photos of a complete stranger?

Kat [/*]

and blog about them......don't forget that bizarro twist ~ but hey, dontcha dare attend a funeral unless you know the deceased personally and can prove it!

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Kat, I'll agree with you that LE may have made some mistakes. They're human, and humans make mistakes. Maybe the evidence collection wasn't perfect. Maybe the procedural elements weren't perfect.

But I would find it really difficult to believe that the error level was so extreme that LE couldn't determine the murderer.

JMO [/*]

Determining the murderer is key, but proving it can be difficult, I know. But, I don't think we are even close yet.

Let me ask some of you this.

On a scale of 1-100, where do you think this case is right now as far as being wrapped up??

I give it a 32% at best.
And,thats on a good day.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Determining the murder is key, but proving it can be difficult, I know. But, I don't think we are even close yet.

Let me ask some of you this.

On a scale of 1-100, where do you think this case is right now as far as being wrapped up??

I give it a 32% at best.
And,thats on a good day.

Kat [/*]

I guess I'm a little more optimistic. I'd give it a 67%.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I guess I'm a little more optimistic. I'd give it a 67%. [/*]


I meant murderer, sorry!!
Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



I meant murderer, sorry!!
Kat [/*]

No problem. I read it that way.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


They can't actually fix their past mistakes. What they can do is wait for wiretaps, covert surveillance and other investigative techniques to turn up additional evidence and that's what I think they've been doing. If they believe two people were involved, only a matter of time before one of them slips, is arrested and rolls on the other in exchange for the DP being lifted.

jmo [/*]

What I meant is if they failed to do some key things in the beginning, how in the world could they ever go back and fix them.?

:(

Kat

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by annalyzer


I would hardly think friends of someone in the family, co-workers and neighbors are strangers or sightseers. These people may not know the deceased personally but are there to support family members or close friends that they do know. [/*]

ITA. I'm surprised anyone would take issue with such a respectful gesture.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by zed


Were they at the funeral? How does this question relate to strangers attending funerals and then badmouthing the family on the internet? [/*]

A complete stranger who wants to see the last photos of your loved one, knowing she died a horrible, horrible death, wouldn't hurt the family and cause them additional pain.....?????????

I don't get it.

I know some people are curious and fascinated by such things, but, ewww, not me.
:shrug:


Let Michelle rest in peace.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


A complete stranger who wants to see the last photos of your loved one, knowing she died a horrible, horrible death, wouldn't hurt the family and cause them additional pain.....?????????

I don't get it.

I know some people are curious and fascinated by such things, but, ewww, not me.
:shrug:


Let Michelle rest in peace.

Kat [/*]

She can't, Kat. Not until her murderer is brought to justice.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by zed


No matter how you try to interpret it, there is nothing normal about attending funerals of strangers and then posting derogatory remarks about immediate family on forums. There is also nothing normal about cozying up to the immediate family at a funeral if they are strangers. [/*]

What about complete strangers who posted that they went to the memorial ?

Is that cool?
Kat

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


What I meant is if they failed to do some key things in the beginning, how in the world could they ever go back and fix them.?

:(

Kat [/*]

Some of them, they can't fix, it will hurt them at trial and that's one reason this is taking so long, imo. They have to accumulate additional evidence to help off-set what they didn't do because they were so focused on Jason.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


What about complete strangers who posted that they went to the memorial ?

Is that cool?
Kat [/*]

or strangers who have intrusively posted family videos of personal moments between CY and her mommy? It's a terrible violation of the little girl's right to privacy. jmo

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by zed


I don't think it will matter to me how many people that believe Jason is innocent defend the actions of a stranger attending Michelle's funeral. It's not normal. Even if June1943 is related to someone that knew Michelle, what was she doing hanging around Michelle's mom? [/*]

Just because I addressed your ridiculous remark it does not mean I think Jason is innocent nor was I defending anyone. If LF spoke loudly enough one wouldn't need to "hang around" her to hear what she said.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Fine, then link the facebook page again so I can see it. Otherwise, it's rumor, imo. [/*]What I saw with my own two eyes isn't rumor.


I didn't save the link, so you will have to find the old post where it was linked. I believe at the time there was quite a bit of chatter about her smoking dope so looking for those posts might help you find the link.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


What about complete strangers who posted that they went to the memorial ?

Is that cool?
Kat [/*]

Memorial services are not the same as funerals, which are far more personal because the body of the deceased is present. Michelle's Memorial and Tree Planting Service took place in a public park surrounded by children playing and many other strangers.

IMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


So, are you saying you think it's normal to attend funerals of people you don't know? [/*]Just as 'normal' as sending flowers to the grave of someone you don't know.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
What I saw with my own two eyes isn't rumor.


I didn't save the link, so you will have to find the old post where it was linked. I believe at the time there was quite a bit of chatter about her smoking dope so looking for those posts might help you find the link. [/*]

I don't have to find anything. Either post it here, or not. If you don't, it's rumor. That simple enough for you?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I don't have to find anything. Either post it here, or not. If you don't, it's rumor. That simple enough for you? [/*]No, it's not a rumor, if you want to see it, you will have to find the link yourself.

That simple enough for you?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by zed


There was never any statement related to smoking dope on Meredith's site. She said, in 2002, that she was "coming down off a high." There is no reason to assume the worst possible interpretation of that remark. [/*]Uh,, the worst possible interpretation would be high from crack. Or heroine. Not pot.

Do you have the link to her site? Card is wanting it and I don't have it.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by zed


It is a false rumor and a twisted interpretation of a comment that could easily have been made after Meredith's graduation. That would explain coming down off a high as well. [/*]
I disagree.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by zed


My remark is not ridiculous. June1943 made several claims about attending Michelle's funeral, and about comments made at the funeral. She has also made it clear that she did not know Michelle. She did not say that she is an acquaintance, or that she knew her through a spouse. She clearly stated that she had no personal association with her.

I think it's highly likely she did not attend the funeral, because she did not know her, and did not hear anything Michelle's mother said. [/*]

Your remark was about people in general.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego

I disagree. [/*]

But, if Jason had posted something like that, look out.

Then it would have been interpreted into 3 different languages and it would have been come out as a confession.

:)

Ka

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


But, if Jason had posted something like that, look out.

Then it would have been interpreted into 3 different languages and it would have been come out as a confession.

:)

Ka [/*]Ain't that the truth!

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


My remark is not ridiculous. June1943 made several claims about attending Michelle's funeral, and about comments made at the funeral. She has also made it clear that she did not know Michelle. She did not say that she is an acquaintance, or that she knew her through a spouse. She clearly stated that she had no personal association with her.

I think it's highly likely she did not attend the funeral, because she did not know her, and did not hear anything Michelle's mother said. [/*]

I think it's highly likely June1943 did attend the funeral because I've heard similar comments from others who attended.

jmo

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
No, it's not a rumor, if you want to see it, you will have to find the link yourself.

That simple enough for you? [/*]

Yes, actually, it's quite simple. You can't provide a link to back up your allegation. That makes it rumor. By your own rules.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


I don't have a link, but I have an excellent memory and I do know that the words were "coming down off a high" and that she was not feeling well, perhaps coming down with a cold.

There was no mention of any drug use. [/*]

I don't believe the prosecutor will have any problem convincing a jury that "coming down off a high" isn't a description of the common cold.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


But, if Jason had posted something like that, look out.

Then it would have been interpreted into 3 different languages and it would have been come out as a confession.

:)

Ka [/*]

I don't believe Jason is absent enough brain cells to post about drug usage for all the world~including potential employers~ to see.

jmo

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


You must have overlooked the word "and" in my post. [/*]

oh, I saw it.

I don't believe the prosecutor will have a problem persuading a jury the not feeling well was directly tied to the "high" and was not in any way associated with the common cold virus. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


oh, I saw it.

I don't believe the prosecutor will have a problem persuading a jury the not feeling well was directly tied to the "high" and was not in any way associated with the common cold virus.[/*]

That presumes Meredith will be indicted for Michelle's murder. I would be highly surprised at that turn of events. In which case, the interpretation of the word "high", if, in fact, the word is accurate, would be completely irrelevant.

But don't let that stop you from sharing your fantasies. We all need to dream.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

JMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Yes, actually, it's quite simple. You can't provide a link to back up your allegation. That makes it rumor. By your own rules. [/*]Nope, not at all.

:seeya:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by zed


You need to go back to the law books. Coming down off a high cannot be translated to mean anything other than what it says. It doesn't say drugs and there is no reason to assume it is related to drugs. [/*]
Say what?

US jurisprudence is based on interpretation - you know, the reason why we have case law.

"coming down off a high" can be interpreted to mean a number of things, not just your benign take on what she meant.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by zed


If she had just graduated and had been celebrating with friends, the comment becomes completely benign.

How does this benign remark from a 2002 webspace relate to a murder in November 2006? [/*]Yes, context is everything, isn't it. And that goes for everything else in this case, especially as it pertains to Jason.

I'm not convinced it was benign and if it did have to do with drug use, it could very well have a lot to do with the murder.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by zed


How does a comment about "coming down off a high", possibly a post-graduation celebration, in 2002 relate to a murder in November 2006? [/*]
Again - if it did have to do with drug use, it could very well have a lot to do with the murder.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by alter ego
Yes, context is everything, isn't it. And that goes for everything else in this case, especially as it pertains to Jason.

I'm not convinced it was benign and if it did have to do with drug use, it could very well have a lot to do with the murder. [/*]

I think drug use~and debts owed to drug dealers~ may very well factor into this murder just as they have factored in other murders. It goes to motive. jmo

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


There is no stranger. There is no reason for anyone to call Michelle's mother a stranger, and no reason for anyone to associate Michelle with illegal drug use.

It's one thing to attempt to distance Jason from his wife's murder, but something altogether different to attempt to distance Michelle from her mother. [/*]

ITA, there is no reason for anyone to associate Michelle with illegal drug use.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Blaze


Drug use by whom? [/*]

Michelle's killer.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


Are you suggesting that Michelle had debts to drug dealers?

I think Michelle had an impeccable reputation, and I do not think there is any reason whatsoever to suggest that she was murdered because of drug debts. [/*]

I did not in any way suggest Michelle had debts to drug dealers. :rolleyes:

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by zed


There is absolutely nothing on which to base allegations that Michelle had something to do with drug debt. The police have never drawn any connection between this murder and drugs.

Michelle was a dedicated and loyal, law abiding mother, wife, and employee. There is no reason to drag her reputation through the mud. [/*]

She said the killer may have stolen money or jewelry to support a drug habit.

Quote~ "So, wouldn't the killer have stolen money or valuables to support their habit if that was their motive?"

:read:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


In the discussion related to what Meredith's remark from 2002 has to do with Michelle's murder, you stated the following:

"I think drug use~and debts owed to drug dealers~ may very well factor into this murder just as they have factored in other murders. It goes to motive. jmo"

You are suggesting that Michelle's death had something to do with drug debt. If she had nothing to do with drug debt, how is her murder related to drug use or debt?

It's not a difficult question. You claim that her murder is related to illegal drug use and drug debt, but are unable to make any connection between drugs and Michelle. [/*]

I said I believe Michelle's MURDER had something to do with her KILLER'S drug debt. We all know Michelle didn't commit suicide.....:read:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


The police have stated that it was not a robbery, so I guess that blows that theory into the wind. [/*]

It wasn't a robbery, it was a MURDER. :read:

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by zed


The police have stated that it was not a robbery, so I guess that blows that theory into the wind. [/*]

I don't buy it was a robbery gone bad either. But I wonder ~ if Jason is the killer and planned this all out why didn't he stage it to look like a robbery or rape attempt? Why not give LE at least some reason to look at someone besides him?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by annalyzer


I don't buy it was a robbery gone bad either. But I wonder ~ if Jason is the killer and planned this all out why didn't he stage it to look like a robbery or rape attempt? Why not give LE at least some reason to look at someone besides him? [/*]

At least one media outlet said it was ransacked and a poster here said two drawers were missing from the jewelry box. Sounds to me that an attempt was made to give the appearance of a staged robbery in order to give LE yet another reason to look at Jason. jmo

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by zed


I think you should be able to come up with a link to a media article about the place being ransacked, if that's your position. I have read pretty much every article that has been published on the case, and I do not recall any claim about the place being ransacked. [/*]

Meredith saying, "This place does not look like it normally looks" could be construed as a ransacked mess. :shrug:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


I think you should be able to come up with a link to a media article about the place being ransacked, if that's your position. I have read pretty much every article that has been published on the case, and I do not recall any claim about the place being ransacked. [/*]

My source was Nancy Grace/ Mike Brooks. I heard it, I didn't read it. It's been linked here several times. If you search her archives for Nov. 2006, you will find it.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


If we want to understand this murder, I don't think we should construe anything. Meredith's comment is confirmed by known facts without having to speculate on whether the place was ransacked, something that has not been stated anywhere.

Meredith's comment could refer to the bloody footprints that both Meredith and the police reported. We know from search warrants that a picture frame was broken. Additionally, there was blood spatter up the wall, and I believe a lamp was knocked over. There are enough known facts to confirm Meredith's statement that the place did not look "as it normally did" without adding unconfirmed ideas, such as "ransacked" to the scene.

There is no reason to conclude that the place was ransacked as there is no information to suggest or support that claim. [/*]

Police never reported bloody footprints other than in a s/w to take measurements of tiles in a bathroom that wasn't adjacent to the crime scene.

"Ransacked" was a term used by Nancy Grace on her show and linked here several times. If you aren't happy with it, I suggest you take it up with her.

jmo

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Meredith saying, "This place does not look like it normally looks" could be construed as a ransacked mess. :shrug: [/*]

Absolutely although I doubt she was Mike Brooks' source on CNN. LE has never confirmed it nor have they ever again stated that nothing was stolen.

jmo

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


You stated:

"At least one media outlet said it was ransacked."

Presumably you are able to link to that media report. If, as you claim, it was a Nancy Grace report, then you are also able to link to her transcripts.

It's a bit lame to state that the media reported that the house was ransacked and then suggest that people who disagree with you should find the link, isn't it? [/*]

Yes, I'm able to link to Nancy Grace's transcripts and so are you.

It's already been linked here time and again. Time for you to do your own research rather than barking orders at other posters.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


There was an interview with the Sheriff at the time of the murder, and he stated that there were bloody footprints in the house. It was during this interview that he commented on the brutality of the murder, and how shocked police were that a small child was left in the home with her murdered mother. This may have occurred prior to your interest in the case.

Your suggestion that someone that disagrees with you find a link to validate your false claim is a little strange. If you want to state something as fact, you have to get the information.

The house was not ransacked. [/*]

No, there wasn't an interview with the Sheriff at the time of the murder. Perhaps afterward but you haven't provided a link to where the Sheriff talked about footprints in the house.

According to Mike Brooks at CNN, he was told the house was ransacked.

You never provide links, why should I bother?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


Is this the same Mike Brooks who thought it was necessary to say this:

"Did she beat herself to death?"

He sounds like a really solid source. That's sarcasm, in case it's not obvious. [/*]

My, aren't you the kettle calling the pot black. Take it up with Nancy Grace.