Michelle Young Murder 4-23 - 4/29

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich


I must be honest and say I've been optimistic since day one that justice will eventually be obtained for Michelle and her precious baby. I do believe that the DA will only bring this matter before the GJ when he is confident that he will be successful in obtaining a conviction. He only gets one bite at the apple so it stands to reason that they will leave no stone unturned in getting every bit of evidence they can so that they are ready to go immediately they get an indictment, imo. [/*]

Can you cite a case to support your reasoning? What is your belief based upon that "the DA will only bring this matter before the GJ when he is confident that he will be successful in obtaining a conviction"??????

[awareness]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
<snip>
On the last search warrants that was served,many of you are suggesting 2 SW=several. MOO but several = more then 2. Just because Donnie lets the news know of the 2 he also made it clear there were SEVERAL. [/*]

There were copies of more than 2 SW's released to WRAL.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1085235/

If you scroll down and over to the right, in the grey shaded box, there's a list of 6 of them under the area labeled "documents". Click on any one of the SW's to see an actual copy of it.

Documents
Nov. 3 Search Warrant for 5108 Briarleaf Drive
Nov. 13 Search Warrant for Compaq Presario
Nov. 21 Search Warrant For Electronics & Audio
Nov. 30 Search Warrant For Dell Inspiron
Dec. 1 Search Warrant For Verizon Cell Phone
Dec. 1 Search Warrant For Nikon Camera

JMO/IMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

Another board is suggesting since gojo is not posting it is a sign that the GJ will be handing down an indictment when they next meet and Sheriff Donnie and Jason`s attorney are making arrangement for Jason to turn himself in. I think we went through this scenario last week. Gotta give then credit,they don`t give up. LMBO [/*]Then I guess some think gojo has some form of telepathy since GJ sessions are secret. :shrug:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Can you cite a case to support your reasoning? What is your belief based upon that "the DA will only bring this matter before the GJ when he is confident that he will be successful in obtaining a conviction"?????? [/*]
If that were the case, then the phrase 'indict a ham sandwich' would have never been coined.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by awareness
I sure hope that GJ rumor is true, but am not holding my breath until I hear official word.

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE

JMO/IMO [/*]The GJ convenes every 3rd Tuesday of the month, don't they :shrug:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by FaithHope


No, everyone is not suspect.

Warrants have not been issued with " everyone's" name on them.
Jason's name is the only name on warrants.
Jason is the only one that has not cooperated.

Read any news report!
All information points straight to Jason.

Believe what you want, time is going to tell real soon. [/*]

What I find sorta amusing is that Jason KNOWS what is contained in the results of the NTIO and the probable cause for the search warrants that he's seen and that have not been returned. The media does not know, therefore you do not know.

:biggrin:

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by awareness
I sure hope that GJ rumor is true, but am not holding my breath until I hear official word.

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE

JMO/IMO [/*]

Ditto.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by FaithHope


june you are mistaken.

I have read and kept up with everything related to this murder investigation since DAY 1.

Never ever did RPD try and pass himself off as a police officer or as AL! Assumptions were made by some trying to figure out who he was! RPD did not say he was either!

This is simply not true!

Stop posting bunk!

Also, I know you were not at Michelle's funeral!

Nor do you live in NC!

Shame on you! [/*]

I think you are mistaken. I saw the same posts June saw and so did many others posting here. In fact, I helpfully copied them in order to preserve them for the record. My friends in the media got a big kick out of them. They'll make an interesting sidebar when an arrest is made.

:patriot:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by alter ego

If that were the case, then the phrase 'indict a ham sandwich' would have never been coined. [/*]

I'm curious where some ever got the idea that the DA will delay an arrest because he wants to be certain of a conviction. Sounds more like TV fiction. :shrug:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Blaze


My post is based on his history of posting. It could mean nothing, who knows, I just said it was making me wonder. Anything that deviates from the norm these days gets noticed since there is basically nothing going on with this case. [/*]

I guess that poster prefers you not know where and to whom he's posting. His friends know where to find him.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


I guess that poster prefers you not know where and to whom he's posting. His friends know where to find him. [/*]


They miss Gojo....?
And, because he hasn't posted , there is something going down?
Or, maybe he just got tired of being insulted.
:shrug:

Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Blaze


My post is based on his history of posting. It could mean nothing, who knows, I just said it was making me wonder. Anything that deviates from the norm these days gets noticed since there is basically nothing going on with this case. [/*]Sorry Blaze, but it's really reaching to equate a poster's online activity with something going on in the case.

If there is nothing going on with the case, has it been declared cold? :(

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



They miss Gojo....?
And, because he hasn't posted , there is something going down?
Or, maybe he just got tired of being insulted.
:shrug:

Kat [/*]

Or just plain common sense. I think it is more likely LE is investigating threats and has advised to stop posting on sites that seem to be instigating such activity.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Allison


By golly, I think you are right, Mimi!

It's about dang time that the ole teacher was told to discontinue threatening local posters.

Going out of his way to identify posters on message boards and then threatening them via pm and e-mail is a no-no. :no:

But that's just my opinion of why he is not posting anymore. Who knows?:shrug: [/*]

Your accusations lack credibility. Please abide by the TOS and address me by my nic. :no:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Allison


:lol :

Do you really expect us to believe that?? Why would the Tribune cover an arrest in Michelle's murder? What is their interest in this case?

Oh...maybe they will do an article on how you have sat at your computer for the last 18 months obsessing over this case. That would be an interesting read!

But, that's just my opinion. Other's may not find it so interesting.

: D [/*]
:confused: Where did MandyMutton say anything about the Tribune?

And yes, I saw the posts she is talking about also.

Obsessing? Posting about a case is obsessing? :eek: Guess there are message boards full of posters 'obsessing over this case' then.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Allison


:lol:

Do you really expect us to believe that?? Why would the Tribune cover an arrest in Michelle's murder? What is their interest in this case?

Oh...maybe they will do an article on how you have sat at your computer for the last 18 months obsessing over this case. That would be an interesting read!

But, that's just my opinion. Other's may not find it so interesting.

:D [/*]

You mentioned the Tribune, not me.

I do find your inability to post anything but insults sorta boring.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


You mentioned the Tribune, not me.

I do find your inability to post anything but insults sorta boring. [/*]

Well, hey, I'm your bodyguard :D

Appears some are bound and determined to get this thread closed down - this isn't the Gojo forum like some seem to think.

:shrug:


If you had to speculate on the items being looked for in the Feb SW's - what would it be?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Allison


Woops. Sorry Mandy Mutton. I get confused sometimes and call you by your old nic.

My accusations lack credibility? HAHA. You don't know all that you say you do about this case then, do you?

(remember, it was discussed at your little private lair...you know, what happened...shhh ;) )

Just my opinion, though. And I'm stickin' to it! :cool: [/*]

I'm not surprised you are so easily confused. You seem consumed by denial.

Have a nice day.

:biggrin:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by zed


Is he missing? Has anyone checked with Jason to see if he had something to do with it? [/*]:confused:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by alter ego


Well, hey, I'm your bodyguard :D

Appears some are bound and determined to get this thread closed down - this isn't the Gojo forum like some seem to think.

:shrug:


If you had to speculate on the items being looked for in the Feb SW's - what would it be? [/*]

all the stuff they shoulda looked for immediately after the murder and didn't. Better late than never, imo

[alter ego]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


all the stuff they shoulda looked for immediately after the murder and didn't. Better late than never, imo [/*]
It's not a surprise that WSCO has so many unsolved murders.

Has there ever been any clarification of what machine they brought to the crime scene?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by alter ego

It's not a surprise that WSCO has so many unsolved murders.

Has there ever been any clarification of what machine they brought to the crime scene? [/*]

Not that I ever heard. One of the most baffling aspects is that they missed an entire tooth that was in a highly visible location. Makes one think that perhaps the killer kept a tooth as a souvenir and then make a nostalgia revisit to the crime scene after LE left.

jmo

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


I thought the partial tooth was under the bed and buried in the carpet. Was it found when the bed was moved?

Who found the tooth again? Is that the person you suspect was involved in the murder and later placed the tooth at the murder scene? [/*]

Where do you get the idea it was a partial tooth, was under the bed and buried in carpet? That's not anything close to what I've been told.

jmo

[alter ego]

Originally posted by zed


I'm not sure that's something the police need to share with people. Maybe we should request an audit so we can see where the police department spent their money. That would give us our answer. [/*]Is this another attempt at levity?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

Maybe that is what took 13 days in the Young home,learning how to use a new machine. Maybe they were just as bad at reading directions as collecting evidence. [/*]Well I was thinking maybe they did all the leg work for a decent 3D diagram of the crime scene.

Then we found out they didn't bother to lay down a measurement reference when photographing foot prints on the bathroom floor.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego


Well, hey, I'm your bodyguard :D

Appears some are bound and determined to get this thread closed down - this isn't the Gojo forum like some seem to think.

:shrug:


If you had to speculate on the items being looked for in the Feb SW's - what would it be? [/*]

I certainly hope this isn't the Gojo forum, because he doesn't interest me in the least. For that matter, neither does RPD. And I can't understand why people find either of them so fascinating.

Back o/t, if I had to speculate, I would say it was something electronic in nature. I would think any kind of biological material would be beyond evidentiary value. So - cameras, computers, that kind of thing.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I certainly hope this isn't the Gojo forum, because he doesn't interest me in the least. For that matter, neither does RPD. And I can't understand why people find either of them so fascinating.

Back o/t, if I had to speculate, I would say it was something electronic in nature. I would think any kind of biological material would be beyond evidentiary value. So - cameras, computers, that kind of thing. [/*]

What do you mean by biological material? Wasn't that all collected from Jason via the NTIO?

What do you think they would be looking for in electronics? Post murder communications?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego


What do you mean by biological material? Wasn't that all collected from Jason via the NTIO?

What do you think they would be looking for in electronics? Post murder communications? [/*]

Any biological material contained on or within his person would have been collected via the NTIO, but there's at least a possibility that he left some belongings in Brevard before returning to Raleigh that day. But again, I would think any of that would be beyond evidentiary value.

Post murder communications, yes. IF Jason is guilty, he wouldn't be the first person tripped up by that kind of thing after they thought all of the evidence had been collected.

JMO

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

Maybe that is what took 13 days in the Young home,learning how to use a new machine. Maybe they were just as bad at reading directions as collecting evidence. [/*]

I'm not sure they were bad at collecting evidence. It certainly was my first reaction when I heard the news about it but I've been told that tooth was so noticeable, it was seen immediately from the doorway.
I think it's possible LE missed it because it was placed there later. jmo

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


I'm not sure they were bad at collecting evidence. It certainly was my first reaction when I heard the news about it but I've been told that tooth was so noticeable, it was seen immediately from the doorway.
I think it's possible LE missed it because it was placed there later. jmo [/*]

If it were that obvious, then a comparison with the crime scene photos should easily prove it wasn't there when the scene was released, right? And in that case, LE would certainly investigate how the tooth came to be there, right?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by alter ego


What do you mean by biological material? Wasn't that all collected from Jason via the NTIO?

What do you think they would be looking for in electronics? Post murder communications? [/*]

biological material might still be in Michelle's car if the killer used it to transport the murder weapon out of there to dispose of it. Maybe found on bottom of shoes and track into car, etc.

jmo

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Cardinal


If it were that obvious, then a comparison with the crime scene photos should easily prove it wasn't there when the scene was released, right? And in that case, LE would certainly investigate how the tooth came to be there, right? [/*]

Not necessarily. Crime scene photos are usually taken before the body is removed from the premises.

jmo

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


biological material might still be in Michelle's car if the killer used it to transport the murder weapon out of there to dispose of it. Maybe found on bottom of shoes and track into car, etc.

jmo [/*]

But wouldn't the chain of evidence for Michelle's car be broken at this point? I imagine there have been any number of people in that car since the murder. How would LE prove who left the biological material in the car?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Not necessarily. Crime scene photos are usually taken before the body is removed from the premises.

jmo [/*]

You don't think they took more photos during that 13 days people keep referencing?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Cardinal


But wouldn't the chain of evidence for Michelle's car be broken at this point? I imagine there have been any number of people in that car since the murder. How would LE prove who left the biological material in the car? [/*]

No. Chain of evidence begins at the moment it is collected by LE. Biological material is proved by DNA analysis.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Cardinal


You don't think they took more photos during that 13 days people keep referencing? [/*]

No reason for LE to take photos later. Photos are taken before any items are moved or in any way disturbed, included the body. They removed drywall, carpet, lamp, other evidence from the house. Photos have to be taken before they do all that.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


No. Chain of evidence begins at the moment it is collected by LE. Biological material is proved by DNA analysis. [/*]

Regardless, I don't see how LE could prove who "deposited" the material in the car, or when, at this point.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


No reason for LE to take photos later. Photos are taken before any items are moved or in any way disturbed, included the body. They removed drywall, carpet, lamp, other evidence from the house. Photos have to be taken before they do all that. [/*]

We don't know what reasons LE had to take photos, or what photos they may have taken, before they released the scene.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


"Young's sister-in-law apparently found the tooth near the bed while cleaning up in the bedroom."

It could have been under the bed and discovered when the sister moved the bed to clean. Police information that is available to us is that the police do not know exactly where the tooth was found, other than "near the bed".

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1076644/

I've done my research, and there is plenty of speculation about whether it was a tooth, or part of a tooth. There is no confirmation. Since her teeth were knocked out of her head by vicious blows, either is possible. [/*]

Plenty of speculation but there are also facts known by people who were there. Since the word "apparently" is used, the reporter didn't actually speak to the person who found it to see where it was found and the circumstances.

I've done my research, too, and it has included actually communicating with people who were present when the tooth was found.

jmo

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


That contradicts the information provided earlier. The tooth was found while cleaning near the bed, not clearly visible from the doorway. Apparently what you were told is inconsistent with the facts.

"Young's sister-in-law apparently found the tooth near the bed while cleaning up in the bedroom." [/*]

There was no "cleaning" being done. That's a fact. There was no way to "clean" that blood-soaked scene. Feel free to believe everything that reporter has said, mistakes and all.

:rolleyes:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Plenty of speculation but there are also facts known by people who were there. Since the word "apparently" is used, the reporter didn't actually speak to the person who found it to see where it was found and the circumstances.

I've done my research, too, and it has included actually communicating with people who were present when the tooth was found.

jmo [/*]

As someone said earlier, anyone can claim anything on a message board. Unless you can link those communications, I don't consider them valid.

JMO

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Cardinal


We don't know what reasons LE had to take photos, or what photos they may have taken, before they released the scene. [/*]

the "reason" LE took the photos was because it was a crime scene. If you're going to post on crime forums at least familiarize yourself with the basics.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


Photos are also taken after the murder victim has been taken to the morgue. [/*]

Photos are taken of the victim at autopsy. My reference was to the crime scene itself. Do try to keep up.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


You are neither a lawyer, a medical doctor, nor a forensic analyst, yet you speak with such authority. I'm curious about where you obtained your training in these fields. [/*]

You have no idea who I am. If you don't want to believe LE takes photos of the crime scene, that's okay.

:rolleyes:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


the "reason" LE took the photos was because it was a crime scene. If you're going to post on crime forums at least familiarize yourself with the basics. [/*]

You obviously misread/misunderstood my post. You're forgiven.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


There are numerous reasons to take photos after a murder victim has been taken to the morgue, with an obvious reason being to photograph what is under the body, the blood pooling, and the imprint left by the body. [/*]

so now you're wanting to believe the tooth was UNDER Michelle's body that was UNDER the bed?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


The tooth is insignificant. The sister found it near the bed while cleaning. Those are the known facts. If the sister wanted people to believe that it was clearly visible from the door, she would have reported that information, but she did not.

Your "inside" information is inconsistent with the facts. [/*]

The sister most certainly did report the correct information. It's the reporter who has trouble gathering and reporting facts. That's what happens when people refuse to speak with her directly.

jmo

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


Are you suggesting that the sister lied to police when she said that she found the tooth near the bed while cleaning? [/*]

No, I'm suggesting the reporter got it wrong, as usual.

:rolleyes:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


No, I'm suggesting the reporter got it wrong, as usual.

:rolleyes: [/*]

Maybe the reporter did get it wrong, but that shouldn't be a problem. I'm sure LE has her statement, with the correct facts.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


biological material might still be in Michelle's car if the killer used it to transport the murder weapon out of there to dispose of it. Maybe found on bottom of shoes and track into car, etc.

jmo [/*]

I keep forgetting how good you are at this stuff.!!!!!!

Do you think something from the deck that was taken, came back from the lab and they needed to check something out.?

I think it cleared Jason, I just wish they would admit it.

???

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by zed


What's with your "familiarize yourself with the basics" and "try to keep up" remarks? [/*]

Maybe she thinks that insulting other posters will make them go away, zed. That way, she's not challenged. Otherwise, she would just argue the facts, imo.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Cardinal


As someone said earlier, anyone can claim anything on a message board. Unless you can link those communications, I don't consider them valid.

JMO [/*]

Of course you don't. No surprise there.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Of course you don't. No surprise there. [/*]

Nor would you, imo, if the situation were reversed.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


I keep forgetting how good you are at this stuff.!!!!!!

Do you think something from the deck that was taken, came back from the lab and they needed to check something out.?

I think it cleared Jason, I just wish they would admit it.

???

Kat [/*]

Kat, do you honestly believe that LE has such a personal vendetta against Jason, that they would withhold evidence that would clear him?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Maybe she thinks that insulting other posters will make them go away, zed. That way, she's not challenged. Otherwise, she would just argue the facts, imo. [/*]

K, we are doing pretty good staying open for 22 pages !!

Anyone want to start a new thread ?

CW says around 15-18 pages there should be a new one.

I can not believe this Friday will be 18 months.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


K, we are doing pretty good staying open for 22 pages !!

Anyone want to start a new thread ?

CW says around 15-18 pages there should be a new one.

I can not believe this Friday will be 18 months.

Kat [/*]

Playing peacemaker, Kat? :)

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by zed


If there was any information to clear Jason, everyone would know it. If the hair in Michelle's hand was from a stranger, or something from the lab indicated another suspect, Jason would be the first person to step forward and collect the insurance money. [/*]

I don't think that would be true, it is still an ongoing investigation.
Maybe Jason was told to sit tight.

We don't know whose hair was in Michelle's hand, and no evidence has been released to convict or to clear him..

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Playing peacemaker, Kat? :) [/*]

Yep, trying to anyway!!

Gave CW my word.

:)
Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Yep, trying to anyway!!

Gave CW my word.

:)
Kat [/*]

I'll leave you to it, and I wish you luck.

:seeya:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by zed


You don't exactly expect people to rewrite their recollection of the facts to suit your newly acquired insider information; information that cannot be confirmed anywhere.

There are known facts about the found tooth. Please clarify why you, rather than the police, should be considered the authority on the circumstances surrounding that tooth. [/*]

Perhaps the "insider" is the one who planted the tooth and is using MM to spread the rumor that it was "overlooked".

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Kat, do you honestly believe that LE has such a personal vendetta against Jason, that they would withhold evidence that would clear him? [/*]



No , absolutely not!

But, I think they were pissed at him enough for not co~operating earlier on, and so even if they could clear him, they might want to make him wait.

Card, there has to be something else going on.
Some kind of info Jason may have without knowing it..:shrug:

Sometimes I think its all just a big waiting game to see who blinks first.

If L E thought all along Jason killed Michelle, and now evidence points elsewhere, they are going to have to admit they were wrong.

I know a lot of posters here are not going to admit they were wrong, if someone else is arrested.

I gave my word I would be the first person here to say I was wrong , should that happen.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I'll leave you to it, and I wish you luck.

:seeya: [/*]

You are going to help me , right?

:biggrin:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by zed


Professionals investigated the crime scene. If they missed a tooth that was only found when the sister was cleaning near the bed, that's the way it goes. Perhaps Jason is guilty of this murder, and having missed a few clues has resulted in his continued freedom. That should please a few people here. [/*]




Okay, Zed, missing a tooth or partial tooth is one thing but how about failing to do a s/a exam when one was ordered?

How about having to keep getting additional s/w's for Birchleaf to go back inside the home>?

You don't think L E felt foolish when going in front of a judge asking to go back and measure prints cause they forgot a ruler?

Or to go back and take deck planks and stain?

That is a miracle the stain was still there!!

Now, think about this.,

If that stain was incriminating, don't you think Jason would have taken it when they moved the items out of the home?

And, how about now? When L E has to go in front of a Judge and ask for another s/w to go where Jason is living?

I bet the Judge is running out of patience.

Think about this too, they came and they asked for Michelle's personal and private transcripts from her therapist, thinking they were the bombshell.

They asked and got every one of the s/w's granted.

And now what?

What's next?


Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



<snipped>
And now what?

What's next?


Kat [/*]

Hopefully an arrest and eventual conviction.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

I know I am not kat,but mo is,YES. I think their rush to judgment"the husband did it",that evidence was over looked unless it was something known to have Jason`s DNA on it.I believe LE has found signs of forced entry and is sitting on the information so as not to reveal another mistake. Where did the media find the information about the over looked tooth? Where did media get the information the rape kit was not used? Where did the media get the info more search warrants were needed to go back to the Young house to clarify overlooked evidence picked up in photographs and video?
Do you really think LE picked up the telephone and called the news papers and told them? No it was picked up by someone who checks daily at the court house for news.
Jason`s silence is NOT what is preventing LE from solving this case. Incompetence by LE is. [/*]

I agree and if I were a JDI, I would be even more concerned about the number of warrants that were granted with the results of no arrest.

Is L E saying that not one of those warrants proved that there was still not enough evidence to arrest Jason?

What else can they take from him?

He submitted to all the tests they ordered, and what he may not have given voluntarily, they had the legal resources to get the rest.


:shrug:
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by zed


It sounds like you might be questioning the professionalism and integrity of the police. I think we have to have faith in some professionals, and the police fall into that category. [/*]

Not true., I do have faith and trust in our legal system..and all that work for them
But, I think there was kind of a ganging up on Jason even before he got back that nite when police were waiting on him, and things never got better between them.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Hopefully an arrest and eventual conviction. [/*]

Of who?
And, when?
I will keep my calendar open.

Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Of who?
And, when?
I will keep my calendar open.

Kat [/*]

I'm hoping that the one thing we can agree on is that we want the murderer of Michelle Fisher Young arrested and convicted. Is that not what you hope for in this case? I'm willing to be patient as long as they convict the murderer.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


I know that you are not a lawyer, medical doctor, or forensic analyst, and that you have no authority when describing any procedures related to these fields.

You must be confused, as I have consistently said that police take crime scene photos before and after a murder victim is taken to the morgue. You seem to believe that photos are only taken prior to the victim being removed from the scene. [/*]

no, you don't know that I am not a lawyer, medical doctor or forensic analyst but it sure is obvious you aren't.
I've never claimed to practicing any of those professions you listed. I sure have no idea where you get the idea that LE take crime scene photos AFTER a victim is taken to the morgue but if it's important for you to believe that, go ahead. :rolleyes:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


I see. The police and reporters have incorrect information and you have correct information. [/*]

I never said police have incorrect information.

:rolleyes:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by zed

>snipped>


Let's hope that the Valentine's Day search warrants lead to new information. If I recall correctly, the contents of the warrants were a shock to family friends, so the evidence could be mounting. [/*]


I don't hope that the Valentine's Day s/w's came up with anything as I hoping that Jason is not involved.

I never heard anything about the s/w's being a shock to anyone, as they are supposed to be sealed..

Can I ask where you got that info?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I'm hoping that the one thing we can agree on is that we want the murderer of Michelle Fisher Young arrested and convicted. Is that not what you hope for in this case? I'm willing to be patient as long as they convict the murderer. [/*]

Yes, we all want that.....
That is the only thing we agree on.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by zed


Why would you think that there was a "ganging up" on Jason? Of course the police were waiting at the house, they were securing the scene. In fact, they were still there two weeks later, so they had more than "waiting for Jason" as reasons to be at the house.

Furthermore, they were hoping that Jason would answer a few questions and make their jobs easier. Unfortunately, it did not happen. It is not the police that are being uncooperative, that's Jason.

If you have faith in the justice system, why would you suggest that Jason is being ganged up on (in his 5 minute interaction with the police on November 3, 2006), and why would you think that the police can clear Jason, but they're doing some sort of payback and letting him suffer? [/*]

They were not waiting for him at Birchleaf, but at Michelle's only sister's home.
And, Jason did speak briefly.

Maybe they asked him if he would come down town with them?

Kat

[dkny]

Pictures are taken @ the morgue too.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed
Let me give you a reason why crime scene analysts photograph a crime scene after the victim has been removed.

Defense lawyers take crime scene photos. These are only possible after the victim has been removed and the police have cleared the scene. It is important that police have their own record of the scene afterwards for verification or comparison, and to ensure that nothing is planted at the scene after the investigators have left the scene.

That's one reason. [/*]

Defense lawyers do not take crime scene photos, Zed. They are allowed to take photos only after the crime scene is released. It is no longer a crime scene at that point. The body as well as other evidence is removed prior to that point.

You claimed the other day that if Jason had cooperated, he would have been allowed to tour the crime scene in order to take inventory of what was missing. That's not remotely close to reality.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


We know that the sister declined to speak to the media, so it is only natural to assume that the information was obtained from the police that are quoted in the article.

Therefore, the information must come from the police and it must be correct.

You claim that the tooth was visible from the door, yet you cannot provide a link; preferring to reference a secret source. Since we know the sister wasn't talking, there is doubt that you have an authentic secret source. [/*]

I can't provide a link to something I was told.

btw, you don't know the sister wasn't talking or isn't talking to friends, family and LE. That's yet another of your linkless, baseless assumptions.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


They should have asked him to go downtown. That's the normal thing they would expect from an innocent man that wants to clear himself so the police can catch the vicious maniac that beat his pregnant wife to death, and left his 2 year old daughter to traipse through her mother's blood for several hours.

It's unfortunate that Jason was not more cooperative in arriving earlier, and going straight to the scene of the crime to see if he could answer questions, get answers, or verify whether anything was stolen. [/*]

Meredith wasn't allowed to hang around the crime scene. Why do you assume Jason would have been allowed to do so or to verify what was stolen? Secured crime scenes are just that.

Meredith cooperated. She hasn't been cleared.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


Oh really. Defense lawyers do take crime scene photos for their own reference in my neck of the woods. I'm sorry you didn't know that was a standard practice of a good attorney.

How are the police supposed to know if anything was stolen without checking with the homeowner. At some point Jason would have had to go through the house with police, even if it was after the scene was released. Jason should have at the very least confirmed that nothing was stolen. As it stands, the absence of a theft report indicates that nothing was stolen. [/*]

How do defense lawyers take crime scene photos of a crime where there has been no arrest? How do they get access to the crime scene? Explain how that works in "your neck of the woods."

It's been pointed out to you repeatedly that LE determines stolen items by asking questions of those who have been in the home and who knew the victim. You still can't grasp such a simple concept.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


Of course you can't. I have provided a link to factual information that is on the record. Your "insider information" is contradicted by the facts. If you want the facts to be reconsidered you should most definitely provide a link.

I do know that the sister refused an interview with the reporter.

The tooth was found while the sister was cleaning near the bed. If you want this fact to change, you should be expected to provide something to support you "inside info." [/*]

Link, please to support your claim that the sister refused an interview with the reporter.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


How do defense lawyers take crime scene photos of a crime where there has been no arrest? How do they get access to the crime scene? Explain how that works in "your neck of the woods."

It's been pointed out to you repeatedly that LE determines stolen items by asking questions of those who have been in the home and who knew the victim. You still can't grasp such a simple concept. [/*]

EVERYONE understands the concept. They ask the husband who LIVES in the home and you would hope he would know the victim. I guess everyone understands that concept except the husband.

[JHP]

Originally posted by cooper1946



You seem to be in control around here why don't you start one:confused: [/*]

Hi cooper1946 you seem to have caught on quick. ;)

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Link, please to support your claim that the sister refused an interview with the reporter. [/*]

Link please to your claim that the tooth was found in plain view of the doorway.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Barbara2


EVERYONE understands the concept. They ask the husband who LIVES in the home and you would hope he would know the victim. I guess everyone understands that concept except the husband. [/*]

Everyone except you and Zed understands the concept.

If the husband had been murdered, would LE have asked nobody else? The Youngs did not live as the recluses.

:rolleyes:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Link please to your claim that the tooth was found in plain view of the doorway. [/*]

thanks for proving my point. :rolleyes:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by june1943


That story was written 14 months ago. Maybe that is why there has been no arrest. The DA forgot where he put the information. You need to call and tell him its between the lines. [/*]

lol. The media is supposed to keep it a secret, remember?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by cooper1946



Miss Mutton, you seem to need a link for everything calm down a little and get back on the topic here. It makes no difference where the tooth was found it was there wasn't it? Maybe Jason should have cleaned up better after himself [/*]

Discussing the tooth is on topic; your insults are not.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Alex Cross
I have often thought that Jason "found" the tooth among his belongings after the murder. Instead of getting rid of it he brought it back and planted it at the house to make LE's investigation look sloppy? Could his family members have been an accessory and pretended to find it when cleaning? [/*]

Found it among what belongings?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Alex Cross


Clothing. [/*]

I think that would be too risky. Most likely it was just overlooked like LE said it was.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Alex Cross


Why would it be risky? Who would suspect anything sinister if the family of the victim found it while cleaning? It would be the perfect way to plant evidence. [/*]

Well they obviously don't suspect anything sinister since they said it was overlooked. I just don't think an overlooked tooth makes LE look bad and I don't think anyone would risk planting one and then finding it just to try to make LE look bad.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Alex Cross
I have often thought that Jason "found" the tooth among his belongings after the murder. Instead of getting rid of it he brought it back and planted it at the house to make LE's investigation look sloppy? Could his family members have been an accessory and pretended to find it when cleaning? [/*]

The house was a secured crime scene. When exactly did Jason return to it and plant the tooth? According to a poster here, after it was released and before the Young's entered it, Meredith Fisher and her mother entered it and helped themselves to heirloom jewelry.

jmo

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Well they obviously don't suspect anything sinister since they said it was overlooked. I just don't think an overlooked tooth makes LE look bad and I don't think anyone would risk planting one and then finding it just to try to make LE look bad. [/*]

I think it is very possible the tooth was planted to mock police.

jmo

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


I think it is very possible the tooth was planted to mock police.

jmo [/*]

Just not by Jason, right? :biggrin:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Everyone except you and Zed understands the concept.

If the husband had been murdered, would LE have asked nobody else? The Youngs did not live as the recluses.

[/*]

That's not the case here. The husband was not murdered so he is the person who would know the most about what might or might not be missing.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Barbara2


That's not the case here. The husband was not murdered so he is the person who would know the most about what might or might not be missing. [/*]

You're right. LE is too dumb to figure it out without Jason's help.

:rolleyes:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Doorbell


Meredith doesn't need a defense table. Except from the likes of you and your lies.

IMO [/*]

Meredith most likely does have a defense lawyer. At least I hope so. Her rights are very important.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


You're right. LE is too dumb to figure it out without Jason's help.

[/*]

More likely that the spouse is the one person that can answer the question with the greatest accuracy. How can the investigators be expected to know what valuable items Jason and Michelle owned if he doesn't tell them?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Barbara2


More likely that the spouse is the one person that can answer the question with the greatest accuracy. How can the investigators be expected to know what valuable items Jason and Michelle owned if he doesn't tell them? [/*]

More likely doesn't equal impossible. LE has said Jason's silence has not totally stopped their investigation.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
I think witness A and * has done a good job in describing anything missing. The main item missing,IMO, is her wedding rings. I think they are one big piece of the puzzle that LE can NOT find. MO [/*]

ITA. There's been numerous media stories where LE has said Jason's silence has delayed their investigation, not totally stopped it. And didn't they also say they had interviewed over 100 people?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Blaze


Huh? OBVIOUSLY the husband would be able to tell LE what was missing from the house! LE would have no way of knowing anything about what was taken without Jason's help. [/*]

Not so. There are ways of knowing. I don't believe LE are quite the idiots you make them out to be. For example, a jewelry box is an indication Michelle owned jewelry. Missing drawers in that jewelry box would be a red flag. LE knew Michelle was married. Married women own wedding rings. LE took a wedding photo. Interviewed over 100 people. Once they established the jewelry was missing and the estimated value, that's it. It becomes a murder in the commission of another felony. Death penalty eligible.

jmo

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

Thats what the Sheriff has said. My big question to Sheriff Donnie is,"do you still think this is a ,NOT random murder"? I question why the local media will not ask Sheriff Donnie..:shrug: [/*]

At this point, it doesn't matter, imo. The Sheriff was quite confident the case was going to be solved early on and it didn't happen. Now, he comes across somewhat as a sputtering mouthpiece who blames the delay on Jason and the lab.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Not so. There are ways of knowing. I don't believe LE are quite the idiots you make them out to be. For example, a jewelry box is an indication Michelle owned jewelry. Missing drawers in that jewelry box would be a red flag. LE knew Michelle was married. Married women own wedding rings. LE took a wedding photo. Interviewed over 100 people. Once they established the jewelry was missing and the estimated value, that's it. It becomes a murder in the commission of another felony. Death penalty eligible.

jmo [/*]

Has it been established that jewelry is missing?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Has it been established that jewelry is missing? [/*]

I think it has been to friends and family. Media still seems to be in the dark about it. jmo

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Blaze



No, it has not.

I think some posters here are so eager to start a fight, they make up info. [/*]

It's a rumor. You aren't being forced to believe it but it would be nice if you could be respectful and stop accusing other posters of making up info.

[JHP]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


It's a rumor. You aren't being forced to believe it but it would be nice if you could be respectful and stop accusing other posters of making up info. [/*]

It would be nice if YOU followed those rules.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Blaze


Don't even talk to me the way you do to the other posters here. I will not tolerate it.

You have been pushing the issue of the stolen jewelry for ages, so I what I said about posters making things up is a fact, not an accusation. [/*]

iow, being respectful to other posters isn't on your agenda.

:seeya:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by JHP


It would be nice if YOU followed those rules. [/*]

I do follow the rules. Trolls go on ignore.

:seeya:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Alex Cross


Why would it be risky? Who would suspect anything sinister if the family of the victim found it while cleaning? It would be the perfect way to plant evidence. [/*]

How would putting a tooth that belonged to the victim anyway, at the crime scene, be planting evidence?

It was supposed to be there.

A James Patterson fan, I see, and we can start a new thread for tomorrow, May 1st, unless someone wants to do it now.

:shrug:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


How would putting a tooth that belonged to the victim anyway, at the crime scene, be planting evidence?

It was supposed to be there.

A James Patterson fan, I see, and we can start a new thread for tomorrow, May 1st, unless someone wants to do it now.

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

You know, I am going to start a new thread, and maybe we can stop some of this stuff , before we get shut down.
TIA

Thread closed.
Kat

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


How would putting a tooth that belonged to the victim anyway, at the crime scene, be planting evidence?

It was supposed to be there.

A James Patterson fan, I see, and we can start a new thread for tomorrow, May 1st, unless someone wants to do it now.

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

Hi, Kat! Excellent point. I don't follow that line of reasoning about planted evidence at all. If it was planted evidence, wouldn't it be something that implicates the killer, not a body part belonging to the victim that we already know was there?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Hi, Kat! Excellent point. I don't follow that line of reasoning about planted evidence at all. If it was planted evidence, wouldn't it be something that implicates the killer, not a body part belonging to the victim that we already know was there? [/*]



Hi!!

Just like the deck stain, if Jason or someone tried to cover up anything, why not take the entire can of stain ?

Kat


:scooting you over to the new thread:
:seeya: