Michelle Young Murder 4-23 - 4/29

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed
Since I don't consider talking heads media sources, here's a media link to the bloody footprints:

"Michelle Young was facedown on the floor in the master bedroom. Bloody footprints made by Cassidy, the Youngs' 2-year-old daughter, were scattered throughout the home. Cassidy was found near Young's body. Michelle Young was four months pregnant at the time of her death."

http://www.newsobserver.com/1413/story/529376.html [/*]

That's still a talking head, in the form of a newspaper reporter. btw, the autopsy report released after this story showed Michelle was more than four months pregnant.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed
"Cassidy was found near Young's body."

http://www.newsobserver.com/1413/story/529376.html

I hope this also clears up any question about whether Cassidy had actually been in the bedroom, been near her mother, or had the misfortune of tracking her mother's blood through the house. [/*]

Actually, it doesn't clear up anything. Cassidy didn't track her mother's blood through the house, according to those who actually saw the house. But she should have, if indeed she was alone for hours with her mother's bloody corpse.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


I don't know what pot you are talking about. You seem to think that Nancy Grace is a reliable source, so I tried to satisfy your expectations. I do not consider Nancy Grace a media source, and have provided media sources to refute not only your claim that there were no bloody footprints, but also your speculations that Cassidy was never in the bedroom.

For the record, I am referring your claims about Cassidy made under your previous user name. [/*]

Thanks, Purple. Apparently your haze continues.

There were no bloody footprints "all over the house" and you certainly haven't provided any links to refute it.

I do consider Nancy Grace a more reliable source than you.

jmo

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


Michelle was 20/40 weeks pregnant. Four months is close enough, but if you want to debate, it could be considered 4 and a half months.

The News & Observer is a Raleigh newspaper, not a talking head. [/*]

Four months doesn't = 20 weeks no matter how you try to twist it. Are you a product of the Sayville public schools?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


The husband of a woman that is a friend of Jason's mom made claims about whether there were bloody footprints in the house. That particular husband was never in the house, so anything he said is very questionable; particularly given his agenda. Eyewitness statements by the people in the house claim that there were bloody footprints made by Michelle's daughter in the house. It seems like common sense to trust the eyewitness rather than the husband of the woman that knows the mother of the husband who's wife was murdered. [/*]

Now you make no sense whatsoever. The husband of a woman that is a friend of Jason's Mom? There is now a husband of the woman that knows the mother of the husband who's wife was murdered?

And you claim that "husband was never in the house?" And that there were mysterious eyewitnesses that saw the bloody footprints that LE didn't see? EGADS!

GMAB. Go to bed.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


The bloody footprint information was stated in eyewitness reports, confirmed by the Sheriff in the interview immediately after the murder, and repeated in several media reports. Additionally, it was confirmed by the source that you consider valid, talking head Nancy Grace. Since you consider Nancy Grace a reliable source, why do you doubt the fact that there were bloody footprints throughout the house? It's not particularly logical to accept some of her information and refuse to accept other information.

FYI: see above for the link to the Nancy Grace show with the clear statements about bloody footprints all over the house. [/*]

The bloody footprint information was contained only in Meredith's report to 911. Nobody else was in the house immediately after the murder nor was it confirmed by the sheriff or Nancy Grace. The only reports were referencing the only sister's 911 call.

I doubt there were bloody footprints throughout the house because I have seen photographs and have spoken to people who saw it.

My doubt has nothing to do with the Nancy Grace show and the reporting by her professionals. I don't believe Nancy has seen the photos I have seen. But she will. Whether this happens before or after the primary suspect makes a run for the Canadian border remains to be seen.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


You stated:

"Actually, it doesn't clear up anything. Cassidy didn't track her mother's blood through the house, according to those who actually saw the house."

Everyone knows that the eyewitness you are referring to is a former poster, the current neighbor of the husband, the teacher, the man whose wife is a friend of husband's mom. Sorry to see that you're having difficulties following, but I'm trying to be respectful and not mention names of people that cannot respond. We both should know that he was never in the house, so he doesn't know whether there were footprints or not. [/*]

I'm not aware of any eyewitnesses to the murder other than the participant killers.

As for people in the house after it was released as a crime scene, I've seen their photos taken of the house. LE has seen their photos. You haven't.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


Let me help you with the math. A pregnancy is 40 weeks; 9 months. Michelle was 20 weeks pregnant. This means that she was between four and five months gestation.

Would you prefer that the article specified weeks rather than completed months? [/*]

If you're calculating months, hon, 40 weeks=10 months.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


If you're going to accept a question from Nancy Grace about whether the house was ransacked as proof that it was, then it's hard to believe that you will not accept this:

"GRACE: The death scene: bloody. And to add insult to injury, the 2- year-old baby girl there on the scene at her mom`s body. In fact, the child`s bloody footprints found in the home."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0611/16/ng.01.html

Eyewitness report: "911 DISPATCHER: You said there is blood everywhere?" [/*]

Nancy accepted the word of the only sister over 17 months ago. I doubt she will do so today.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


Are you again claiming that you've seen the crime scene photographs?

They haven't been released and, if you had any connection to the crime scene analysis, you would know better than to get on a message board and discuss evidence. [/*]

I've seen photos taken by friends and family AFTER the crime scene was released. Lotsa discussion has taken place with LE. Imagine that!

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


Photos taken weeks or months after the murder are irrelevant. Meredith was in the house after the murder, and her statements have not been refuted by the police.

Are you suggesting that Meredith told the police that there were bloody footprints made by Michelle's daughter, knowing the police were on their way, but it was not true? That's an odd opinion. [/*]

Police have made no comments whatsoever about the validity of Meredith's comments. They certainly haven't cleared her as a suspect. And rumor has it~just rumor that I heard~ Meredith stopped cooperating with LE after they asked her to take a poly.

Meredith said on the 911 call there were bloody footprints all over the house. Photographs prove there were not. You really think those bloody footprints evaporated? I don't.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


Well hon, it's pretty clear you've never actually known anyone that was pregnant. All pregnancies are 40 weeks. [/*]

You claimed Michelle was only 4 months pregnant, 16 weeks.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


I was quite clear in stating that Michelle was 20 weeks pregnant. That is halfway through the normal 40 week gestation period for pregnancy. Because one month is usually 4 weeks while the rest are longer, the round estimate for pregnancy is 9 months. Pregnancy is never 9 months to the day.

The article that I linked at News & Observer stated that Michelle was 4 months pregnant, which is accurate. It is not the norm to round up the pregnancy dates. 20 weeks is four full months plus a week or two depending on the time of year. [/*]

20 weeks doesn't equal 4 months pregnant, "plus a week or two." 40 weeks doesn't equal 9 months "depending on the time of year."

What planet are you on? Certainly not earth.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


I was quite clear in stating that Michelle was 20 weeks pregnant. That is halfway through the normal 40 week gestation period for pregnancy. Because one month is usually 4 weeks while the rest are longer, the round estimate for pregnancy is 9 months. Pregnancy is never 9 months to the day.

The article that I linked at News & Observer stated that Michelle was 4 months pregnant, which is accurate. It is not the norm to round up the pregnancy dates. 20 weeks is four full months plus a week or two depending on the time of year. [/*]

you obviously have never been pregnant.

Your suggestion that 20 weeks="four full months plus a week or two depending on the time of year" is hysterical. Thanks for the laugh.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


I actually am on planet earth, and I'm sorry to say that when all the women that have given birth arrive in the morning, it is you that will look somewhat like you're from another planet.

Pregnancy is a 40 week experience, and 20 weeks is halfway through, meaning 4 full months plus a week or two. [/*]

uh, huh. I doubt "all the women" are quite as uninformed as you seem to be.

Those of us who have actually given birth know the difference and the significance between 16 and 20 weeks.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed
It seems to me that only a male would have difficulties understanding this. [/*]

A male? Are you serious? I'm a female and you make no sense to me. You claimed Michelle was 4 months pregnant and we know that is not true. Many know there were no bloody footprints.
zed
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Since I don't consider talking heads media sources, here's a media link to the bloody footprints:

"Michelle Young was facedown on the floor in the master bedroom. Bloody footprints made by Cassidy, the Youngs' 2-year-old daughter, were scattered throughout the home. Cassidy was found near Young's body. Michelle Young was four months pregnant at the time of her death."

http://www.newsobserver.com/1413/story/529376.html

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


I'm pretty sure that all women who have ever known anyone that gave birth knows that pregnancy is 40 weeks. It's possible that without medical care, someone wouldn't be aware of this, but not likely. Pregnant women want to calculate their due date and the way to do that is to count 40 weeks into the future. All women that have given birth or know someone that gave birth know this.

If you don't know this, there's really only one conclusion. [/*]

I certainly know this as do most women who have given birth. It's pretty obvious the category excludes you. Why do you keep repeating the media stories that Michelle was only 4 months pregnant? It certainly does not help your already weak credibility.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed
Let me help out a bit more:

"The human gestation period--the period of time between conception and labor--is approximately forty weeks (280 days), measured from the first day of the mother's last menstrual period."; Gestation Period and Gestational Age [/*]


it's pretty sad you have to resort to google.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


Let's be careful here. Twice you have suggested that 4 months was my claim, but that was from the news article. I was clear in stating 20 weeks, which is the same as 4 months.

There are several references to bloody footprints, including your preferred source. I'm surprised you insist on stating that it is not true. You have long claimed to have seen photos of the crime scene, but the photos you saw were of a forgotten and deteriorated crime scene. Besides, there was no blood on the tiles in the bathroom photos either, only the door. [/*]

Dream on. You claimed a news article is your source. I assure you, the crime scene was not "forgotten and deteriorated" when photos were taken. And where you get the idea there was no blood on the bathroom tiles is beyond me. LE didn't return to measure the door. How is it exactly you know there was blood on the door?

Is that you, Meredith?

zed
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Registered: Jan 2008
Location:
Posts: 274


Since I don't consider talking heads media sources, here's a media link to the bloody footprints:

"Michelle Young was facedown on the floor in the master bedroom. Bloody footprints made by Cassidy, the Youngs' 2-year-old daughter, were scattered throughout the home. Cassidy was found near Young's body. Michelle Young was four months pregnant at the time of her death."

http://www.newsobserver.com/1413/story/529376.html

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


Wasn't Kat just saying the other day that Cassidy was only 2, omitting the other 6 months in her life? Why the double standard?

16 weeks are not 4 months. Michelle was 20 weeks pregnant.

As for credibility, I find it very odd that you claim to be a woman, yet you have no idea how to calculate pregnancy due dates. [/*]

You're the one with poor math skills. I actually have children and they don't share your limited skills.

Actually, Kat pointed out~correctly~ that CY was 2 years and 7 months at the time of the murder. Some idiot on another forum insisted~incorrectly~ that CY was "exactly 2.5 years" at the time of the murder. Not so.

Yes, 16 weeks = 4 months.

Please tell me your village wants you home.

[Cardinal]

alter ego
Senior Member

Registered: Sep 2007
Location: keeping tabs
Posts: 2015

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Originally posted by Cardinal


Yes, actually, it's quite simple. You can't provide a link to back up your allegation. That makes it rumor. By your own rules. [/*]
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Nope, not at all.

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Originally posted by alter ego
Oh, and let's not forget the rules - if you can't link to a credible source and are basing it just on something you heard, it's just a RUMOR. [/*]



Originally posted by alter ego
Defense of Jason? No. Defense of IUPG and requiring something more than character assassination to determine guilt. [/*]

Originally posted by alter ego
I read Meredith's posting about illegal drug use myself. Her facebook page was linked right on this board! [/*]

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943


Actually Cardinal a good friend of mines mother passed away in Nov. I attended that funeral also. I went to pay my respects to my friend . No I had never meet her mother as she lived in another state. Maybe young people don't do this. Do you people think a funeral is for the dead only. The living need a pat on the shoulder or maybe a hug. Its a difficult time for the living . IMO [/*]

Actually, June, the comment you quoted was in response to something Mutton posted, and, to me, was a hypothetical discussion.

When you first mentioned attending Michelle's funeral, I asked YOU if you were actually there. You declined to give me a straight answer. Care to do so now?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by zed
Cardinal, the one thing that alter ego says that is true is the fact that the facebook page was briefly linked. It did not, however, say anything about drug use.

The 2002 statement was "coming down off a high", and it is quite possible that she was coming down off the high of celebrating graduating with her degree in psychology. She'd been partying for two weeks, and was coming down with a cold. [/*]

Thank you for clarifying, zed. So, the spurious allegations of "illegal drug use" result from the words "coming down off a high"? Interesting. I won't debate the meaning of the word "high", because I don't know the context or the circumstances, and because I see no correlation in a 2002 statement on a social networking site to Michelle's murder.

I find it very telling, however, that those who wish to find "evidence" to implicate Meredith in Michelle's murder would have to reach so far.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by zed


June1943 refused to give anyone a straight answer, but yesterday she appears to have inadvertently answered the question.

She did not know Michelle. She claims that she attended the funeral because 'even strangers need hugs at funerals'. She further claims that, at the funeral, Michelle's mother could be heard yelling through the building. She conveniently made this comment within a week of the husband of Pat's friend looking to prove that Michelle's mother accused Jason. Convenient timing, but not very believable. [/*]

Personally, I don't care whether or not June attended Michelle's funeral or what her reasons were. I do think it's strange that, if Michelle's mother created that kind of scene, it has remained under wraps all this time.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by zed


I think the timing of June1943's claim is important. The neighbor friend was backed into a corner claiming that Linda had accused Jason. When no one could verify his claims, he said it happened at the funeral. He didn't attend the funeral, even though he supposedly knew the couple, but he 'had heard a rumor'. For several weeks, he continued to insist that because Linda had accused Jason at the funeral, Michelle's family should be treated poorly. When that was questioned, he was pinned to the wall.

Suddenly, June1943, 17+ months after the murder, remembered that she had attended the funeral and had heard the words spoken by Linda. They were in different rooms so apparently she heard this through the walls, as not only was Linda yelling her head off, but apparently June1943 was not exactly physically close to Michelle's mother at the funeral. [/*]

If all that's true, then the timing does strain credulity.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by zed


The neighbor currently posts on another board, but he has been rather adamant that because of accusations Michelle's mother made at the funeral, there is justification to deprive Michelle's daughter of a relationship with her maternal grandmother, and aunt. The first confirmation of this claim was made recently, after Cassidy's birthday visit, where June1943 claimed that she could verify the claims. [/*]

Again, if that's true, how utterly sad and desperate, imo.

[JHP]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


20 weeks doesn't equal 4 months pregnant, "plus a week or two." 40 weeks doesn't equal 9 months "depending on the time of year."

What planet are you on? Certainly not earth. [/*]


40 weeks does equal a full term pregnancy. How many months are exactly 4 weeks in lengh?

What planet are you on?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by zed
Cardinal, the one thing that alter ego says that is true is the fact that the facebook page was briefly linked. It did not, however, say anything about drug use.

The 2002 statement was "coming down off a high", and it is quite possible that she was coming down off the high of celebrating graduating with her degree in psychology. She'd been partying for two weeks, and was coming down with a cold. [/*]

It she was partying for 2 weeks then it stands to reason that the high she coming down off was indeed drug induced.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal
alter ego
Senior Member

Registered: Sep 2007
Location: keeping tabs
Posts: 2015

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Originally posted by Cardinal


Yes, actually, it's quite simple. You can't provide a link to back up your allegation. That makes it rumor. By your own rules. [/*]
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Nope, not at all.

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is there a point or is this just bait?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego


It she was partying for 2 weeks then it stands to reason that the high she coming down off was indeed drug induced. [/*]

That's not the only inference. IF she was partying for 2 weeks, it could just as easily been beer. But it really makes no difference, imo. That was in 2002. Who cares?

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego


is there a point or is this just bait? [/*]

The point is, if you're going to hold others to rules, you should follow them yourself, imo.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by zed


Those are the words posted on a 2002 facebook page, and that is the basis for all allegations against Meredith.

I made several requests for a connection between Meredith "coming down off a high" in 2002 and Michelle's murder in November 2006, but I have yet to have an answer. There were two comments about Michelle having a drug debt or being a casualty of a drug debt, but that was just crazy talk with nothing said about how the two relate.

Michelle was a financial analyst, a reliable loyal employee, a reliable loyal wife and mother, and pregnant. Any connection between Michelle and illegal drugs, drug debts, or drug related murders has not been supported by any facts of the case. Those comments are slanderous at best. [/*]
Not true, I gave you an answer.

Slanderous? Goodness, I never said it was Michelle that was using, now did I? Nope. The type of overkill seen in this murder seems typical of a speed induced rage. Understand now?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


The point is, if you're going to hold others to rules, you should follow them yourself, imo. [/*]
What I read, from a link on this board is not something that I heard.

:read:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego

What I read, from a link on this board is not something that I heard.

:read: [/*]

Heard/read makes no difference to me. You didn't provide a "link to a credible source." If you're going to accuse someone of drug use, you should, at the very least, provide a link.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


That's not the only inference. IF she was partying for 2 weeks, it could just as easily been beer. But it really makes no difference, imo. That was in 2002. Who cares?

JMO [/*]Never heard of anyone getting high, or claiming to get high, on beer.

I have no idea if it's relevant to the murder or not, but it very well could be just as easily as it very well couldn't be. But I can assure you that if those words had been put out there by Jason, they sure would be considered 'relevant' by some here.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Heard/read makes no difference to me. You didn't provide a "link to a credible source." If you're going to accuse someone of drug use, you should, at the very least, provide a link. [/*]
Makes a huge difference because it wasn't something spread on the gossip machine. It was words that Meredith put on her own webpage. Sorry you missed the link , doesn't appear that Zed missed it.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
Never heard of anyone getting high, or claiming to get high, on beer.

I have no idea if it's relevant to the murder or not, but it very well could be just as easily as it very well couldn't be. But I can assure you that if those words had been put out there by Jason, they sure would be considered 'relevant' by some here. [/*]

To your first point, I have. Your not having heard of it does not make it impossible.

To your last point, you're absolutely right. And you would be the first to call them on it.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego

Makes a huge difference because it wasn't something spread on the gossip machine. It was words that Meredith put on her own webpage. Sorry you missed the link , doesn't appear that Zed missed it. [/*]

The words, according to zed, were "coming down off a high". HER words do not include the word "drugs". That's an inference that may or may not be correct; it is NOT a fact.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


To your first point, I have. Your not having heard of it does not make it impossible.

To your last point, you're absolutely right. And you would be the first to call them on it.

JMO [/*]Really? I couldn't even get a hit with google :shrug:

Probably so :D

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
Really? I couldn't even get a hit with google :shrug:

Probably so :D [/*]

Try googling "high on beer".

And definitely so. :D

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


The words, according to zed, were "coming down off a high". HER words do not include the word "drugs". That's an inference that may or may not be correct; it is NOT a fact. [/*]

It's a logical inference since she also said she was a little high and a little sleepy too.

http://mixie118.livejournal.com/

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Try googling "high on beer".

And definitely so. :D [/*]
oh with quotes, ok, I'll try that.

:D

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego


It's a logical inference since she also said she was a little high and a little sleepy too.

http://mixie118.livejournal.com/ [/*]

Thank you for the link. And zed's memory is correct: the words are "coming down from a high." Anything else is inference.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943


Cardinal its a moot point. Those of us that have been here since the beginning have seen Meres my space page. It wasn't private when the murder first happened. It most certainly said she was a drug user. Her own words. No there is no link now as she made it private and all the old messages have been deleted off of CTV. But it was there and read by a lot of people. Of those people some are still here but they won't admit to seeing it as it won't further their cause. Their cause is to blame JY for his wife's murder. IMO [/*]

June, I'll agree it's a moot point, but for a different reason than I'm sure you meant. I know lots of young adults who use drugs recreationally, just as they did when I was that age. I still don't see how it's relevant to Michelle's murder.

JMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Thank you for the link. And zed's memory is correct: the words are "coming down from a high." Anything else is inference. [/*]Interesting that zed left out the on a downward spiral and the little cranky, little high and little sleepy bit.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
Interesting that zed left out the on a downward spiral and the little cranky, little high and little sleepy bit. [/*]

You expect perfect recall of the whole thing?!!

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943
Cardinal , it may not be the least bit relevant. It is just something to take into consideration when talking about this case. Mere could have been totally drug free by the time Michelle was murdered or she could have been into even stronger drugs. We don't know so therefore we discuss it. We certainly aren't going to decide this case on a message board we are only discussing different aspects of it. I am sure that if you had seen a my space page where Jason admitted to drug use you would be talking about it. [/*]

I have no problem with discussing it. What I have a problem with is stating as fact that Meredith WAS a drug user in November of 2006 without any substantiation, and then using that as a motive for murder.

I don't care if Meredith used recreational drugs. In fact, I don't care if Jason used recreational drugs. I see nothing in the facts that are known about this murder to indicate to me that drugs factored into it at all.

JMO

ETA: Actually, IF Meredith was still a recreational drug user in November of 2006, that could explain the problems some posters seem to have with her demeanor on the 911 call. Maybe she was high. But I still don't see anything drug-related about this murder.

DEFINITELY SPECULATION AND JMO JMO JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cardinal


I have no problem with discussing it. What I have a problem with is stating as fact that Meredith WAS a drug user in November of 2006 without any substantiation, and then using that as a motive for murder.

I don't care if Meredith used recreational drugs. In fact, I don't care if Jason used recreational drugs. I see nothing in the facts that are known about this murder to indicate to me that drugs factored into it at all.

JMO

ETA: Actually, IF Meredith was still a recreational drug user in November of 2006, that could explain the problems some posters seem to have with her demeanor on the 911 call. Maybe she was high. But I still don't see anything drug-related about this
murder.



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Well, Card, see this is where we have another problem.....all in the interpretation.

When the only sister's blog was linked here, she said she liked to late nite cyber..
Lindsey not knowing what that meant asked the Board.
I won't print the results here.
Then there was another comment that the only sister made about keeping her cat Madison in the micro~wave..probably meant to be funny........(ha-ha, not)
Then in her own words she admits to wasting her 4 year degree.
Then she refers to Ma Fisher as a lizard.

Then when I got here, there was those pesky embezzlement charges a poster accused her of, in old posts.

So, yeah, Card and everyone else, we do look at her a little weirdly. That and the contrast of her life as compared to Michelle's. L E said to look at everyone.

If I knew more about anyone else close to Michelle, I would look at them too.


:shrug:

Kat

Ps.Zed is Purple?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


You expect perfect recall of the whole thing?!! [/*]Zed claimed to have an excellent memory, so yeah.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
Well, Card, see this is where we have another problem.....all in the interpretation.

When the only sister's blog was linked here, she said she liked to late nite cyber..
Lindsey not knowing what that meant asked the Board.
I won't print the results here.
Then there was another comment that the only sister made about keeping her cat Madison in the micro~wave..probably meant to be funny........(ha-ha, not)
Then in her own words she admits to wasting her 4 year degree.
Then she refers to Ma Fisher as a lizard.

Then when I got here, there was those pesky embezzlement charges a poster accused her of, in old posts.

So, yeah, Card and everyone else, we do look at her a little weirdly. That and the contrast of her life as compared to Michelle's. L E said to look at everyone.

If I knew more about anyone else close to Michelle, I would look at them too.


:shrug:

Kat

Ps.Zed is Purple? [/*]

I don't know what late night cyber means either, but it doesn't sound violent. The cat - go figure someone else's sense of humor.

Last time I checked, wasting a degree isn't illegal, and what she calls her mother is irrelevant.

I haven't seen anything published about embezzlement charges, and if, as you say, it was only an accusation from another poster, it carries no weight with me, imo.

And yes, Meredith's life is different than Michelle's. They're different people. How is that evidence?

Look at her weirdly, fine. But don't accuse her of murder without FACTS to substantiate the accusation, please.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by JaneTruth
Any "reasons" you can concoct in order to justify your assertion that Meredith is just as likely as Jason to have committed this murder are so far-fetched as to be moot, period.

Statistically, the husband is the most likely suspect.

He called Meredith to go to the house on a ridiculous pretext.

He was involved way too closely with MM, regardless of how you interpret the term "romantic relationship."

Let's not forget the life insurance.

Or his continued silence.

Whereas, Meredith had nothing to gain by her sister's death, and much to lose.

What did Jason have to lose? A wife he fought with and humiliated publicly, a second child he would have to support, the possibility of a divorce that would humiliate him and cost him dearly for years and years...

IMO [/*]

Well, I certainly hope L E has not been moot.
Could be why this case is sitting in a file on someone's deck instead of being on a court docket.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I don't know what late night cyber means either, but it doesn't sound violent. The cat - go figure someone else's sense of humor.

Last time I checked, wasting a degree isn't illegal, and what she calls her mother is irrelevant.

I haven't seen anything published about embezzlement charges, and if, as you say, it was only an accusation from another poster, it carries no weight with me, imo.

And yes, Meredith's life is different than Michelle's. They're different people. How is that evidence?

Look at her weirdly, fine. But don't accuse her of murder without FACTS to substantiate the accusation, please.

JMO [/*]

Good point, Card, and no one should be calling Jason a murderer either, then, right?

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Good point, Card, and no one should be calling Jason a murderer either, then, right?

Kat [/*]

I haven't. I can't speak for anyone else.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943

I don't feel that she has been accused of anything. She has just been looked at as a possible suspect. LE hasn't named a suspect ,they say no one has been ruled out. If LE can't rule out Mere then how can we on a message board rule her out? [/*]

I haven't asked you to rule out Meredith as a suspect. I've said several times on these threads that I'm willing to discuss any evidence that points to her. I just haven't heard any credible evidence. Can you provide some?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I don't know what late night cyber means either, but it doesn't sound violent. The cat - go figure someone else's sense of humor.

Last time I checked, wasting a degree isn't illegal, and what she calls her mother is irrelevant.

I haven't seen anything published about embezzlement charges, and if, as you say, it was only an accusation from another poster, it carries no weight with me, imo.

And yes, Meredith's life is different than Michelle's. They're different people. How is that evidence?

Look at her weirdly, fine. But don't accuse her of murder without FACTS to substantiate the accusation, please.

JMO [/*]


Do you understand that all the things that make someone look strange can be applied to anyone, if you want it to, taken out of context, embellished, and made to look guilty, no matter what circumstances they originated in or how innocent those things may be?

Kat
( I can hear my English teacher miles away, I need to take some of those punctuation classes)

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



Do you understand that all the things that make someone look strange can be applied to anyone, if you want it to, taken out of context, embellished, and made to look guilty, no matter what circumstances they originated in or how innocent those things may be?

Kat
( I can hear my English teacher miles away, I need to take some of those punctuation classes) [/*]

Yes, I understand that (despite the punctuation. :D )

I also understand that's the nature of message boards. I'm willing to speculate and hypothesize; I'm NOT willing to state speculation and hypotheses as FACTS, or to unquestioningly accept it when anyone else does.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I haven't asked you to rule out Meredith as a suspect. I've said several times on these threads that I'm willing to discuss any evidence that points to her. I just haven't heard any credible evidence. Can you provide some? [/*]

Card, there is no credible evidence against Jason either, just some bad timing, maybe...and some poor choices he made.

Some of us gave you list after list why the only sister hit our radar.

1) She found the body
2)She made the famous or infamous 911 call
3) Crime scene did not match her description
4) Why did she move to Raleigh?
5) Her occupation after completing 4 years of college?
6) What was she doing with her life?

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943


The only credible evidence I have seen in this case is that Michelle was murdered. Every thing else is speculation . [/*]

Agreed. And I'll reiterate the response I just posted to Kat.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Yes, I understand that (despite the punctuation. :D )

I also understand that's the nature of message boards. I'm willing to speculate and hypothesize; I'm NOT willing to state speculation and hypotheses as FACTS, or to unquestioningly accept it when anyone else does.

JMO [/*]

Lol, I know I overslept and missed the class again today.
But, see, Card, at least you can discuss and debate without all the personal stuff.

Makes it so much easier.

I can't help where my radar takes me.
I jumped all over looking for a connection in the Burdette case too.
I have only said like a 1,000,000 times if it turns out I am wrong, I will take out a full page ad at CTV to say so!!

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Card, there is no credible evidence against Jason either, just some bad timing, maybe...and some poor choices he made.

Some of us gave you list after list why the only sister hit our radar.

1) She found the body
2)She made the famous or infamous 911 call
3) Crime scene did not match her description
4) Why did she move to Raleigh?
5) Her occupation after completing 4 years of college?
6) What was she doing with her life?

Kat [/*]

Kat, I get why she hit your radar. I don't have a problem with her hitting your radar.

#1 and #2 are valid reasons. I can't respond to #3 because I haven't seen photos of the crime scene.

#4 - why does anyone move anywhere? #5 - IIRC, she was a waitress. So what? #6 - What difference does it make?

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Lol, I know I overslept and missed the class again today.
But, see, Card, at least you can discuss and debate without all the personal stuff.

Makes it so much easier.

I can't help where my radar takes me.
I jumped all over looking for a connection in the Burdette case too.
I have only said like a 1,000,000 times if it turns out I am wrong, I will take out a full page ad at CTV to say so!!

Kat [/*]

And I have said that, for me, most of what is known points to Jason, but I'm willing to be wrong.

JMO

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I haven't asked you to rule out Meredith as a suspect. I've said several times on these threads that I'm willing to discuss any evidence that points to her. I just haven't heard any credible evidence. Can you provide some? [/*]

The 911 call. Not even drugs or shock can explain that one.

"Did you see what happened?"

"I don't know." :confused:

I don't know? Not "no, I just got here and found her like this".

And that's just the beginning.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by annalyzer


The 911 call. Not even drugs or shock can explain that one.

"Did you see what happened?"

"I don't know." :confused:

I don't know? Not "no, I just got here and found her like this".

And that's just the beginning. [/*]

I think the interpretation of the 911 call is very subjective. But the dispatcher asked that question twice. The first time, at the beginning:

DISPATCHER: Alright, what’s the problem. Tell me exactly what happened.

MEREDITH: Um…I…I…I think my sister’s dead.


The second time:

DISPATCHER: Okay. Listen to me. Did you see what happened?

MEREDITH: I don’t know. Cassidy, come here, sweetie. I’m here with her daughter.

The second time could be "I don't know [what happened]". She appears to be distracted by CY at that point.

Link:

http://frictionpowered.blogspot.com/2007/02/merediths-911-call.html

Like I've said before, you can interpret it however you're predispositioned.

JMO

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by june1943


Cardinal its a moot point. Those of us that have been here since the beginning have seen Meres my space page. It wasn't private when the murder first happened. It most certainly said she was a drug user. Her own words. No there is no link now as she made it private and all the old messages have been deleted off of CTV. But it was there and read by a lot of people. Of those people some are still here but they won't admit to seeing it as it won't further their cause. Their cause is to blame JY for his wife's murder. IMO [/*]

I do recall Meredith's myspace page did admit to drug use. She didn't set it to private until weeks after the murder.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cardinal


I have no problem with discussing it. What I have a problem with is stating as fact that Meredith WAS a drug user in November of 2006 without any substantiation, and then using that as a motive for murder.

I don't care if Meredith used recreational drugs. In fact, I don't care if Jason used recreational drugs. I see nothing in the facts that are known about this murder to indicate to me that drugs factored into it at all.

JMO

ETA: Actually, IF Meredith was still a recreational drug user in November of 2006, that could explain the problems some posters seem to have with her demeanor on the 911 call. Maybe she was high. But I still don't see anything drug-related about this
murder.



*********************************************

Well, Card, see this is where we have another problem.....all in the interpretation.

When the only sister's blog was linked here, she said she liked to late nite cyber..
Lindsey not knowing what that meant asked the Board.
I won't print the results here.
Then there was another comment that the only sister made about keeping her cat Madison in the micro~wave..probably meant to be funny........(ha-ha, not)
Then in her own words she admits to wasting her 4 year degree.
Then she refers to Ma Fisher as a lizard.

Then when I got here, there was those pesky embezzlement charges a poster accused her of, in old posts.

So, yeah, Card and everyone else, we do look at her a little weirdly. That and the contrast of her life as compared to Michelle's. L E said to look at everyone.

If I knew more about anyone else close to Michelle, I would look at them too.


:shrug:

Kat

Ps.Zed is Purple? [/*]

Is Card now rewriting our laws in order to excuse Meredith's admission of drug use? I wasn't aware there is a difference between drug use and recreational drug use. Aren't they both equally illegal? I sure don't look at Meredith weirdly, I look at her as a potential suspect. I think LE views any kind of drug use combined underemployment is a motive for stealing. jmo

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Is Card now rewriting our laws in order to excuse Meredith's admission of drug use? I wasn't aware there is a difference between drug use and recreational drug use. Aren't they both equally illegal? I sure don't look at Meredith weirdly, I look at her as a potential suspect. I think LE views any kind of drug use combined underemployment is a motive for stealing. jmo [/*]

Where did I rewrite any laws? I said I personally didn't care. I personally don't care if someone drives 60 mph in a 55-mph zone either.

Whether or not you're correct about how "LE views" it, there was no theft reported, so it's not relevant to this case, imo.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by zed


Jason has been ruled in, and cannot be ruled out.

Meredith has not been ruled in, and does not need to be ruled out. [/*]

Then tell L E, cause they said everyone close to Michelle was in and for some reason they can't solve the case by blaming just Jason.

Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by june1943


Zed I can't prove you wrong but I read the my space before it became private and it did reference her drug use. [/*]

I remember the page at the time and I remember the discussions that followed. I remember that some posters inferred drug use based on statements made on the page but she herself did not reference drug use. IMO.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by zed


Jason has been ruled in, and cannot be ruled out.

Meredith has not been ruled in, and does not need to be ruled out. [/*]:no: That is not what LE said.

They are looking at everyone and no one has been ruled out.

No one.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by zed


My recollection was accurate. Meredith did not reference drugs. The remark that everyone wants to translate into drug use was exactly as I stated. Is that a problem? [/*]There was more to the entry that could easily be inferred as drug use. There was also another site she made entries on that left no doubt what kind of High she was experiencing.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by alter ego
There was more to the entry that could easily be inferred as drug use. There was also another site she made entries on that left no doubt what kind of High she was experiencing. [/*]

Oh who cares. I seriously doubt Meredith killed her sister because she needed money for drugs. If she wanted to steal from their house she could've went there when no one was at home.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Oh who cares. I seriously doubt Meredith killed her sister because she needed money for drugs. If she wanted to steal from their house she could've went there when no one was at home. [/*]

Thank you. Sanity.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Oh who cares. I seriously doubt Meredith killed her sister because she needed money for drugs. If she wanted to steal from their house she could've went there when no one was at home. [/*]

:beer:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Oh who cares. I seriously doubt Meredith killed her sister because she needed money for drugs. If she wanted to steal from their house she could've went there when no one was at home. [/*]


Would Michelle's engagement ring be home if Michelle wasn't? I seriously doubt it.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton



Would Michelle's engagement ring be home if Michelle wasn't? I seriously doubt it. [/*]

TVs, DVD players and computers are a lot easier to pawn.

JMO

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Where did I rewrite any laws? I said I personally didn't care. I personally don't care if someone drives 60 mph in a 55-mph zone either.

Whether or not you're correct about how "LE views" it, there was no theft reported, so it's not relevant to this case, imo. [/*]

There have been no official police reports released about the murder so why do you assume no police report about a theft is proof there was no theft? Your logic is deeply flawed.

Some of you sure are desperate to believe nothing was stolen.

jmo

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Cardinal


TVs, DVD players and computers are a lot easier to pawn.

JMO [/*]

Not to mention cash from her purse. I think that would be the easiest quick cash option.

ETA: Whoever killed her that night surely would have taken the case from Michelle's purse if money was the motive for the murder.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Oh who cares. I seriously doubt Meredith killed her sister because she needed money for drugs. If she wanted to steal from their house she could've went there when no one was at home. [/*]
I don't know if she killed her sister or not.

I don't know if Jason killed his wife or not.

And I never said anything about stealing :shrug:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


There have been no official police reports released about the murder so why do you assume no police report about a theft is proof there was no theft? Your logic is deeply flawed.

Some of you sure are desperate to believe nothing was stolen.

jmo [/*]

I'm not desperate to believe anything. If you have evidence of a theft, by all means, share it.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


TVs, DVD players and computers are a lot easier to pawn.

JMO [/*]But not as easy to carry in your pocket.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego

I don't know if she killed her sister or not.

I don't know if Jason killed his wife or not.

And I never said anything about stealing :shrug: [/*]

Ditto

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
But not as easy to carry in your pocket. [/*]

Do you thing Michelle's ring was stolen?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Cardinal


TVs, DVD players and computers are a lot easier to pawn.

JMO [/*]


which is easier to carry and has more value, a $$$$$ diamond ring or a used DVD player?

:rolleyes:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton



which is easier to carry and has more value, a $$$$$ diamond ring or a used DVD player?

:rolleyes: [/*]

I have no idea of the value of Michelle's ring; do you?

And I'll ask you again - do you have evidence of a theft?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I'm not desperate to believe anything. If you have evidence of a theft, by all means, share it. [/*]

It was shared here 17+ months ago by someone who was actually in the house and knows. You didn't dispute it then. Why the lame attempt to do it now?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Do you thing Michelle's ring was stolen? [/*]
I haven't made up my mind on that.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Not to mention cash from her purse. I think that would be the easiest quick cash option.

ETA: Whoever killed her that night surely would have taken the case from Michelle's purse if money was the motive for the murder. [/*]

How do you know cash isn't missing from Michelle's purse or areas of the house?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


It was shared here 17+ months ago by someone who was actually in the house and knows. You didn't dispute it then. Why the lame attempt to do it now? [/*]

I wasn't even registered on this board 17+ months ago, not under this nic or any other. So YOUR lame attempt to avoid answering my question doesn't wash.

Again, do you have evidence that Michelle's ring was stolen?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by alter ego

I don't know if she killed her sister or not.

I don't know if Jason killed his wife or not.

And I never said anything about stealing :shrug: [/*]

Then why are you going on and on about MF's supposed drug use? What makes the difference if she did drugs?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


How do you know cash isn't missing from Michelle's purse or areas of the house? [/*]

How would anyone know that it is missing? The only person who could answer that question isn't talking. If he does answer in the affirmative, can he be believed?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I wasn't even registered on this board 17+ months ago, not under this nic or any other. So YOUR lame attempt to avoid answering my question doesn't wash.

Again, do you have evidence that Michelle's ring was stolen? [/*]

I did answer your question. It was mentioned right here by an insider and discussed for weeks. Sorry you missed it.

If you don't want to believe it, don't.

:rolleyes:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


I did answer your question. It was mentioned right here by an insider and discussed for weeks. Sorry you missed it.

If you don't want to believe it, don't.

:rolleyes: [/*]

I wasn't here, so I didn't hear it. I have no way of verifying that the person who you claimed discussed it is truly an "insider", or, even if they are, that they would be in a position to know whether or not the ring was stolen.

If you can't link it now, it's RUMOR.

JMO

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Barbara2


How would anyone know that it is missing? The only person who could answer that question isn't talking. If he does answer in the affirmative, can he be believed? [/*]

it works like this: there are these guys and gals who go into the crime scene (called cops) and they notice things like missing drawers from jewelry boxes and so they ask questions of friends and family such as, "Did Michelle wear jewelry and what did it look like." They gather up photos where she might be wearing said jewelry such as a wedding photo and then they look for it. Either it's there or it isn't. :shrug:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


it works like this: there are these guys and gals who go into the crime scene (called cops) and they notice things like missing drawers from jewelry boxes and so they ask questions of friends and family such as, "Did Michelle wear jewelry and what did it look like." They gather up photos where she might be wearing said jewelry such as a wedding photo and then they look for it. Either it's there or it isn't. [/*]

Save your shrugs. That's not what we were talking about. We were talking specifically about cash. If there is no cash in Michelle's purse, do they know cash was stolen or only that she had no cash at that time. If there was cash, they could determine that her cash was not stolen. Get it? :)

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I wasn't here, so I didn't hear it. I have no way of verifying that the person who you claimed discussed it is truly an "insider", or, even if they are, that they would be in a position to know whether or not the ring was stolen.

If you can't link it now, it's RUMOR.

JMO [/*]

I'm not responsible for removal of those threads. If you want to call it a rumor, call it a rumor. Doesn't make it any less true whether you choose to believe it 17 months later or not.

jmo

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Save your shrugs. That's not what we were talking about. We were talking specifically about cash. If there is no cash in Michelle's purse, do they know cash was stolen or only that she had no cash at that time. If there was cash, they could determine that her cash was not stolen. Get it? :) [/*]

How do you know there was cash remaining in Michelle's purse? LE has made no mention of it.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


I'm not responsible for removal of those threads. If you want to call it a rumor, call it a rumor. Doesn't make it any less true whether you choose to believe it 17 months later or not.

jmo [/*]

And it doesn't make it any MORE true because you claim someone who claimed to be an insider "said so".

[alter ego]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Then why are you going on and on about MF's supposed drug use? What makes the difference if she did drugs? [/*]Don't know if makes a difference or not, just exploring some possibilities.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


How do you know there was cash remaining in Michelle's purse? LE has made no mention of it. [/*]

:lol: I think she got lost on the if/thens!

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Then why are you going on and on about MF's supposed drug use? What makes the difference if she did drugs? [/*]

drug use is an aggravating factor.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Barbara2


How would anyone know that it is missing? The only person who could answer that question isn't talking. If he does answer in the affirmative, can he be believed? [/*]Not necessarily. The GA friends that were over may have known if she had cash or not.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


How do you know there was cash remaining in Michelle's purse? LE has made no mention of it. [/*]

I don't know and I didn't say there was. I said if there was cash, they could determine that it wasn't stolen. If there was no cash, they can't prove anything unless Michelle got her purse out for some reason and her friend who was over that night saw some cash. Otherwise, no cash tells them nothing.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
Not necessarily. The GA friends that were over may have known if she had cash or not. [/*]

My friends don't go through my wallet.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Cardinal


And it doesn't make it any MORE true because you claim someone who claimed to be an insider "said so". [/*]

The truth will be out as soon as there is an arrest. You just choose not to believe it for now and that's okay.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


The truth will be out as soon as there is an arrest. You just choose not to believe it for now and that's okay. [/*]

IF there's an arrest in which Michelle's ring is a factor, yes, I'll believe it. With or without your permission.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


drug use is an aggravating factor. [/*]And the level of rage exhibited in this murder could have been fueled by hate or psychosis from a drug like speed.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


My friends don't go through my wallet. [/*]Never said anything about anyone going thru anyone's wallet :confused:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
And the level of rage exhibited in this murder could have been fueled by hate or psychosis from a drug like speed. [/*]

It could have been fueled by hate OR psychosis OR a drug like speed, imo.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


It could have been fueled by hate OR psychosis OR a drug like speed, imo. [/*]
yeah.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by alter ego
Not necessarily. The GA friends that were over may have known if she had cash or not. [/*]

True. Also, there may also be an ATM receipt from earlier that day.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943

Michelle's rings weren't listed on the autopsy report. So they were removed before the murder by Michelle or after the murder by the murderer . Le hasn't said which way it was. [/*]

Right. But there's a great deal of difference between the two, and we don't know which, do we?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


True. Also, there may also be an ATM receipt from earlier that day. [/*]

And IF there's an ATM receipt, she could have spent it shortly after withdrawing it.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by alter ego
And the level of rage exhibited in this murder could have been fueled by hate or psychosis from a drug like speed. [/*]

ITA. Perhaps a combination of both.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by june1943

Michelle's rings weren't listed on the autopsy report. So they were removed before the murder by Michelle or after the murder by the murderer . Le hasn't said which way it was. [/*]

Nor would they. It's one of those details only the killer would know, imo.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943


I thought we already established that most everything about this case is speculation. It really isn't our fault that you weren't here then. We can only discuss with you what was said then. There is a blog where a lot of these are still listed . I will pm it to you. [/*]

Thank you, June. If I see something on the blog I consider valid, I'll reconsider my position.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by june1943


No we don't cardinal. We also don't know if Jason had gas hidden for his trip. We also don't know if Jason has a shirt missing. We also don't know if Jason is dating. We also don't know if Jason had an affair LE said alleged . We don't know if 2 jewelry boxes are missing. We don't know if there was bloody footprints all over the house. There are stories about all of these things and many more. You have to choose what to believe and what not to. Arguing about it won't change the stories . [/*]

ITA. The truth will be out eventually. I wonder how many of the bogus stories about Jason cops wasted time and tax dollars chasing down.

[gorealtors]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


ITA. The truth will be out eventually. I wonder how many of the bogus stories about Jason cops wasted time and tax dollars chasing down. [/*]


Well due to the fact that Jason won't talk, LE has no choice but to painstakingly sift through the evidence they have to try and piece it all together. That's a no brainer.;)

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943


No we don't cardinal. We also don't know if Jason had gas hidden for his trip. We also don't know if Jason has a shirt missing. We also don't know if Jason is dating. We also don't know if Jason had an affair LE said alleged . We don't know if 2 jewelry boxes are missing. We don't know if there was bloody footprints all over the house. There are stories about all of these things and many more. You have to choose what to believe and what not to. Arguing about it won't change the stories . [/*]

You're absolutely right - arguing won't change anything, and I would prefer not to. If, however, it's necessary, I can.

Thanks for the link (your box is full). I'll check it out tomorrow.

[gorealtors]

Originally posted by june1943


Oh thousands and thousands of dollars I'm sure. [/*]


Well June, what do you think would be a better plan of attack?:confused:

[gorealtors]

Originally posted by june1943


Oh thousands and thousands of dollars I'm sure. [/*]


If Jason would open his yap, then maybe thousand and thousands wouldn't be wasted. Ever thought about that?:mad:

[Kat4Eagles]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by june1943



I can only imagine the stories they have heard, look at the ones that have been posted on here to make Jason look like a bad boy.

Btw, the only sister states she likes those bad boys.
Hmmm.
I wonder if she found out about MM and she was jealous.
Maybe she thought she was next in line.

Jason, you bad boy, you.!!

:)
Kat

[gorealtors]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
[QUOTE]Originally posted by june1943



I can only imagine the stories they have heard, look at the ones that have been posted on here to make Jason look like a bad boy.

Btw, the only sister states she likes those bad boys.
Hmmm.
I wonder if she found out about MM and she was jealous.
Maybe she thought she was next in line.

Jason, you bad boy, you.!!

:)
Kat [/*]


Rank that post as one of the all time, most sickening ever! :mad:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by june1943


Oh thousands and thousands of dollars I'm sure. [/*]

Maybe there will be some obstruction of justice charges after an arrest....

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by zed


We know that Jason didn't file a theft report, as we know he has not spoken to the police. We don't need an official report to figure that out.

The flawed logic is the assumption that Jason may have filed a theft report without touring the house at the time of the crime, or speaking with police. [/*]

You don't know that Jason didn't file a theft report. He has an attorney and such reports aren't public.

Apparently you aren't familiar with the concept of a contained crime scene. Jason would not have been allowed to "tour the house at the time of the crime."

:rolleyes:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943


I thought we already established that most everything about this case is speculation. It really isn't our fault that you weren't here then. We can only discuss with you what was said then. There is a blog where a lot of these are still listed . I will pm it to you. [/*]

June, I did find a reference to "a lot of jewelry being missing" in a post on Silsbee's blog. And I understand that the poster who made the comment is generally believed to be a member of the Young family. But she doesn't make that statement as first-hand knowledge; she says she was told about it. And she doesn't specifically mention Michelle's engagement ring.

If I missed something, I'll go back and look again. Did I?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943


I referenced that site for you to see that missing jewelry isn't new to the discussion. I stated above that Michelle's rings weren't listed on the autopsy report. So she either removed them before she was killed or the killer removed them after. I don't know which it was. Only the person with the rings would know. I don't know who the poster was that said the jewelry was missing I don't have any way of checking ISP's . We aren't supposed to name other sites here that's why I pmed you the link. We need to stick to the rules or we lose our board. [/*]

That blog was linked here recently, so I don't think it's a problem. And I remembered this from another thread:

Coldwater
Administrator

Registered: Aug 2002
Location:
Posts: 415
Copying someone else's post on CTV or other message boards
Q. I thought it was against TOS to repost someone else's posts.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A. As long as you copy someone's post from CTV site to CTV site it is OK. All of CTV website is covered by the same copyright. Same if you copy an article from any other web page of CTV's to anyplace else on CTV site.

You CANNOT copy a post from another Message Board without the posters written permission as they are covered under that MB's copyright.

You CAN post the link to their post however, or paraphrase it.


Links to other boards are allowed, not posts as they need permission. HOWEVER, YOU CANNOT use a link to a message board as proof of a statement. If they had a link to an article, you can check that article, and post that link within copyright rules.


Since I only referenced the post, it should be okay, but I appreciate your caution.

JMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by FaithHope
No.

There is no missing jewelry. [/*]Then by all means, provide proof of where Michelle's wedding ring is.

TIA.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by zed


I'm sure both could be carried by even a weak man pretending to be a mother, and would fit nicely into the front seat of a car. [/*]
"a weak man pretending to be a mother"

:confused:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego

"a weak man pretending to be a mother"

:confused: [/*]

I didn't get that either. I thought maybe it was another piece of the puzzle I didn't know.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943


I think so too. I just don't want the board shut down. Hopefully someday there will be breaking news. Do you have any ideas what LE was looking for in the last SWs? I have seen a shirt and or jewelry. That doesn't explain why they went on the road and searched Jayson's business car. Course we only have word from a poster this happened. They had his car for a long time after the murder then they went back and searched it again. His Mom owns the car now. I wonder if the SW covered the car or if they just decided to give it another look while they were there? I also wonder where this SWs are as they haven't been returned? They were sealed but they still should have been returned and shown sealed. [/*]

I honestly have no clue what LE was looking for with the recent SWs. I do think they must have had some strong probable cause to get warrants issued after all this time, though. IF they searched the car again, they would need a warrant specifically for that, imo.

I don't know where they are, but I would certainly like to see copies of them. I think they may answer some of the questions.

JMO

[annalyzer]

If Jason is the killer I wonder why he didn't just call Meredith and ask her to go check on Michelle and Cassidy because he was unable to reach her on the phone and was worried about her? He could've tried calling early before she was to go to any dr. appt. or work or whatever, then tried her cellphone. He could've based his concerns on the fact she was pregnant. Wouldn't that look less suspicious than sending Meredith over to retrieve a fax/computer printout?

[gorealtors]

Originally posted by annalyzer
If Jason is the killer I wonder why he didn't just call Meredith and ask her to go check on Michelle and Cassidy because he was unable to reach her on the phone and was worried about her? He could've tried calling early before she was to go to any dr. appt. or work or whatever, then tried her cellphone. He could've based his concerns on the fact she was pregnant. Wouldn't that look less suspicious than sending Meredith over to retrieve a fax/computer printout? [/*]


He was trying to firm up fact the he "knew" nothing was amiss. :mad:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by gorealtors



He was trying to firm up fact the he "knew" nothing was amiss. :mad: [/*]

I would like to add that I think it's possible (if he killed her) that he wanted to avoid talking to anyone about her. In order to be convincing in his concern he would have had to call her place of work and he would have been talking to someone and not able to leave a message. If it really was just about the document, why would he wait until morning to call? It seems calling in the evening would give him a better shot at actually talking to Meredith. Calling in the morning would pretty much assure that his call would not be answered and he would have to leave a message. IMO

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by alter ego

"a weak man pretending to be a mother"

:confused: [/*]

someone in the passenger seat pretending to be Michelle so the vehicle won't be noticed?

perhaps that poster knows more about the murder than we realize....

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by annalyzer
If Jason is the killer I wonder why he didn't just call Meredith and ask her to go check on Michelle and Cassidy because he was unable to reach her on the phone and was worried about her? He could've tried calling early before she was to go to any dr. appt. or work or whatever, then tried her cellphone. He could've based his concerns on the fact she was pregnant. Wouldn't that look less suspicious than sending Meredith over to retrieve a fax/computer printout? [/*]

Of course. I believe that's exactly what Jason did. LE seized their answering machine. They've examined all phone records. They refuse to name Jason as a suspect. We haven't seen all the search warrants but I bet there is one for Meredith's home and cell phones.

jmo

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


someone in the passenger seat pretending to be Michelle so the vehicle won't be noticed?

perhaps that poster knows more about the murder than we realize.... [/*]

I believe it means Jason is a weak man, couldn't even strangle his wife successfully, and that he is pretending to be a mother now to Cassidy. But I may be wrong. :tongue:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by annalyzer


I believe it means Jason is a weak man, couldn't even strangle his wife successfully, and that he is pretending to be a mother now to Cassidy. But I may be wrong. :tongue: [/*]


the "fit nicely into the front seat of a car" is what I found particularly intriguing. ;)

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Of course. I believe that's exactly what Jason did. LE seized their answering machine. They've examined all phone records. They refuse to name Jason as a suspect. We haven't seen all the search warrants but I bet there is one for Meredith's home and cell phones.

jmo [/*]

I certainly hope LE examined Meredith's phone records; any thorough investigation should include that. But she may have agreed, making a SW unnecessary (since we haven't seen one from the early investigation.)

And yes, it's semantics, but there's a difference in "declining" to name someone a suspect, and "refusing" to name someone a suspect. I believe LE has "declined" rather than "refused" to name Jason a suspect.

JMO

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I certainly hope LE examined Meredith's phone records; any thorough investigation should include that. But she may have agreed, making a SW unnecessary (since we haven't seen one from the early investigation.)

And yes, it's semantics, but there's a difference in "declining" to name someone a suspect, and "refusing" to name someone a suspect. I believe LE has "declined" rather than "refused" to name Jason a suspect.

JMO [/*]

Search Warrants are required by phone companies in order to provide call detail and tower analysis and we haven't seen them for anyone, including Jason and Meredith.

LE hasn't named Jason a suspect. Period. If you want to believe LE has "declined" rather than "refused" and that there is actual legal significance in your semantic dance, go for it.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Search Warrants are required by phone companies in order to provide call detail and tower analysis and we haven't seen them for anyone, including Jason and Meredith.

LE hasn't named Jason a suspect. Period. If you want to believe LE has "declined" rather than "refused" and that there is actual legal significance in your semantic dance, go for it. [/*]

Of course there's no "actual legal significance". There is, however, a significant difference in the perception, as I'm sure you're aware.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Of course there's no "actual legal significance". There is, however, a significant difference in the perception, as I'm sure you're aware. [/*]

I'm aware of your meaningless circles.

I'm also aware the perception of posters on message boards has no legal significance.

:rolleyes:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


I'm aware of your meaningless circles.

I'm also aware the perception of posters on message boards has no legal significance.

:rolleyes: [/*]

I both decline and refuse to be insulted by you. Don't waste your time.

:biggrin:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I both decline and refuse to be insulted by you. Don't waste your time.

:biggrin: [/*]

I didn't insult you.

Must be a slow day at your blog....
:biggrin:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


I didn't insult you.

Must be a slow day at your blog....
:biggrin: [/*]

:confused: I don't have a blog.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by FaithHope


There are more than 20 pages of search warrants issued in the link, all of which has Jason Lynn Young named as the suspect of this crime.

On page 10, are warrants for the phones, and all aural content of all phones.

Jason is the only suspect.

Quit kidding yourself, mimi.

http://www.newsobserver.com/content/news/story_graphics/20061207_youngWarrant.pdf [/*]

telephone call, router and tower detail is found on the provider's servers, not inside the telephone itself. Those search warrants have not been made public.

The killer has a bright red target on her back and I believe the helpful detectives have made sure she knows it.

jmo

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


telephone call, router and tower detail is found on the provider's servers, not inside the telephone itself. Those search warrants have not been made public.

The killer has a bright red target on her back and I believe the helpful detectives have made sure she knows it.

jmo [/*]

And how have the detectives done that?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by annalyzer
If Jason is the killer I wonder why he didn't just call Meredith and ask her to go check on Michelle and Cassidy because he was unable to reach her on the phone and was worried about her? He could've tried calling early before she was to go to any dr. appt. or work or whatever, then tried her cellphone. He could've based his concerns on the fact she was pregnant. Wouldn't that look less suspicious than sending Meredith over to retrieve a fax/computer printout? [/*]

I think COG factors into why Jason didn't choose being concerned about not being able to reach Michelle (who was already deceased) as a reason to ask Meredith to go to the house.

Asking Meredith to retrieve a document isn't tied directly to Michelle's murder, but being concerned about her, then finding her murdered is even more than too much coincidence to be a coincidence.

IMO

[JHP]

Originally posted by annalyzer
If Jason is the killer I wonder why he didn't just call Meredith and ask her to go check on Michelle and Cassidy because he was unable to reach her on the phone and was worried about her? He could've tried calling early before she was to go to any dr. appt. or work or whatever, then tried her cellphone. He could've based his concerns on the fact she was pregnant. Wouldn't that look less suspicious than sending Meredith over to retrieve a fax/computer printout? [/*]


But if he called someone to check on her he would be expecting their call back. If he didn't pick up the phone for several hours after calling someone to check on her that would be extremly suspicious. JMO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by june1943


He was hours away . We don't know how many times he called. Maybe thats why he was checking his voice mail so much. Maybe part of the day he was out of phone range. I make a trip to Knoxville and there is a 2 hrs stretch that my phone doesn't work.There are so many things we don't know and that is why so many rumors have been started. [/*]

He wasn't out of range when he called Meredith because that call went through. Don't you think it's more reasonable to believe, since Meredith didn't immediately respond to Jason or his request, that JY was checking his voice mail to see if Meredith had called?


Hi Aggie!

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by JHP



But if he called someone to check on her he would be expecting their call back. If he didn't pick up the phone for several hours after calling someone to check on her that would be extremly suspicious. JMO [/*]

In this scenario why not answer the phone?

[JHP]

Originally posted by annalyzer


In this scenario why not answer the phone? [/*]


Because he wasn't at his moms house yet. That way he had a witness he could trust.
I think he didn't want to talk to anyone that might ask him hard questions.
This way he just checked voicemail. He probably knew when he started getting lots of calls that she had been found.

JMO

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by JHP



Because he wasn't at his moms house yet. That way he had a witness he could trust.
I think he didn't want to talk to anyone that might ask him hard questions.
This way he just checked voicemail. He probably knew when he started getting lots of calls that she had been found.

JMO [/*]

where do you get the idea that Jason was getting a lot of calls about the murder? Who was doing all the calling?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by june1943


For a 2 hr time span I have no bars. I can't check my messages because they don't ring in. There are lots of places in NC where there is no service. We have a cabin on a lake in NC and there is no cell service there . [/*]

of course you're right, June. Everyone knows there are cell phone limitations but apparently it's more fun to give you a hard time. I see a gasbag blogger is accusing you of not living in NC at all... And so it goes......

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by FaithHope


You do have a sick infatuation with Jason, don't you Kat? [/*]

Not in the least.
:)

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by annalyzer
If Jason is the killer I wonder why he didn't just call Meredith and ask her to go check on Michelle and Cassidy because he was unable to reach her on the phone and was worried about her? He could've tried calling early before she was to go to any dr. appt. or work or whatever, then tried her cellphone. He could've based his concerns on the fact she was pregnant. Wouldn't that look less suspicious than sending Meredith over to retrieve a fax/computer printout? [/*]

Excellent!!

I had made a list of people who he could have called to check on Michelle awhile back,.
There was no reason for this fax story at all, unless, omg,could it be the truth?
Could I be defending an innocent man?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by JaneTruth
I heard there is going to be a release of Live ladybugs as a remembrance of Michelle...

http://www.members.shaw.ca/ladybug_release/

Here's a link to the site that explains it. The main page loads rather slowly, so be patient. I think the site is still under construction. [/*]


Is there any special significance for the date May 10th?

I think it is a really nice way to remember Michelle.

:)
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by zed


Good question. Isn't May 11 Mother's Day? Maybe May 10 was the day that worked best for everyone. [/*]

Yep, it is....
And Michelle should be here to celebrate with both her children, with crayoned drawings from C to put on her fridge that say
"I love you, Mommy" and baby kisses from her little boy that would be celebrating just a little over his 1st year old birthday...

Case breaks your heart...

:(

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by zed


It does. I hope that Jason takes time out of his busy life to share this part of Michelle's life with her daughter. [/*]


I hope someone will send an invite to Jason and C.

:)
Kat

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



I hope someone will send an invite to Jason and C.

:)
Kat [/*]

A ten hour round-trip is a bit much to expect from a 4-year-old, who is still too young to grasp the connection between ladybugs in an unfamiliar place and Mommy. Hopefully, Jason will honor the occasion with a tribute a little closer to home and in a way the little girl can understand.

jmo

[BiggerRedDog]

Originally posted by MandyMutton A ten hour round-trip is a bit much to expect from a 4-year-old, who is still too young to grasp the connection between ladybugs in an unfamiliar place and Mommy. Hopefully, Jason will honor the occasion with a tribute a little closer to home and in a way the little girl can understand.
jmo [/*]They could make a weekend of it maybe. My son made lots of weekend trips of at least that distance, by car, motorcycle and plane, at all ages, including four. I think a four-year-old could grasp the concept that mommy liked ladybugs, especially one as bright as Cassidy seems, even when she was two and a bit. I don't know the park where the event is being held, but I don't think Cassidy would see it as an "unfamiliar" place. I think she might just see it as a place where there are a lot of fun things going on, in honor of her mommy.

[BiggerRedDog]

Originally posted by JaneTruth Really. At four, the world is full of unfamiliar places, and, as long as there's a loving hand to hold, one is as good as another.
Mandy just likes to rain on parades. [/*]Apparently so. It's good to see Michelle's friends helping to keep her memory alive.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by BiggerRedDog
They could make a weekend of it maybe. My son made lots of weekend trips of at least that distance, by car, motorcycle and plane, at all ages, including four. I think a four-year-old could grasp the concept that mommy liked ladybugs, especially one as bright as Cassidy seems, even when she was two and a bit. I don't know the park where the event is being held, but I don't think Cassidy would see it as an "unfamiliar" place. I think she might just see it as a place where there are a lot of fun things going on, in honor of her mommy. [/*]

So you think Jason should attend whether he killed Michelle or not? I wouldn't want to go anywhere where a bunch of people thought I was a murderer of the person that is being honored.

[BiggerRedDog]

Originally posted by annalyzer So you think Jason should attend whether he killed Michelle or not? I wouldn't want to go anywhere where a bunch of people thought I was a murderer of the person that is being honored. [/*]Do Michelle's friends think Jason is a murderer? If Jason had consistently proclaimed his innocence, and made his peace with Michelle's family and friends, I think he would want to be there. From what I've seen and read, here and other places, he doesn't seem to have done that, or attempted it.
I see what you are saying, annalyzer. Perhaps someone else could take Cassidy if that's a problem.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by JaneTruth


Ten hour round trip?

She would probably sleep all the way home.

She is quite old enough to understand that ladybugs were something her mother liked a lot. And what ladybugs are, and how they are a very good thing for flowers.

You just have to rain on every parade around, don't you? [/*]

This isn't a parade, it's a murder of this little girl's mother. Somebody has to be realistic. CY is not some character in a play. Her mother died when she was under three years old. There is no way she remembers ladybugs and how "they are a very good thing for flowers." You expect her to travel over 10 hours because it's what you want, not because it is what is best for her. GMAB.

Those who demand children attend events that they are not old enough to understand really have no business deciding what is best for children. Especially when that child belongs to someone else.

jmo

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by BiggerRedDog
Do Michelle's friends think Jason is a murderer? If Jason had consistently proclaimed his innocence, and made his peace with Michelle's family and friends, I think he would want to be there. From what I've seen and read, here and other places, he doesn't seem to have done that, or attempted it.
I see what you are saying, annalyzer. Perhaps someone else could take Cassidy if that's a problem. [/*]

If there are Michelle's friends who think Jason is a murderer, they are entitled to their opinions but there is no requirement that Jason must "make peace" with them or attend an event in such an openly hostile environment. Jason's priority is his daughter and she should be shielded from such unhealthy hostility.

jmo

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by annalyzer


So you think Jason should attend whether he killed Michelle or not? I wouldn't want to go anywhere where a bunch of people thought I was a murderer of the person that is being honored. [/*]

ITA. Nor would I allow my child anywhere near such overt animosity.

jmo

[BiggerRedDog]

Originally posted by MandyMutton
ITA. Nor would I allow my child anywhere near such overt animosity.
jmo [/*]http://www.members.shaw.ca/ladybug_release/
Looks like a whole lot of kid-oriented, outdoor fun. Bubbles, bean bags, games, crafts, prizes, face painting, and a bunch of ladybugs being released.
"Overt animosity"?

[JHP]

Originally posted by june1943


Mandy ,You are probably right. But if you don't live down here you might not understand that cell phone service can be very limited. Mandy , it doesn't bother me where they think I live as of today I still remember and I live in NC. LOL
All this talk about ladybugs. Ladybugs have always been a favorite thing of mine . [/*]


Wonderful, I hope you go to the ladybug release. It should be a lovely way to remember Michelle. Since you were at the funeral you should know several people who will be there.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943

I'm not saying he had a 2 hr no bars space. I was telling you its possible in these mountains. I have no idea if that is what happened. I'm sorry if you thought I was stating that is what happened. [/*]

We used to travel between NC and Knoxville regularly. We called the area between the Canton NC exit and Newport TN the "blackout zone". No cell service at all. In fact, we couldn't even tune in a radio station.

I'm sure there are more cell towers now than at that time, but in the thick of those mountains, you're not going to get a signal unless it's aimed straight at you!

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943


Cardinal , do you have any idea how it is over on the Va side where Jason was? I know I have been there but it was probably before cell phones were invented . LOL [/*]

I really don't, June. I've been there, too, but it's been about 10 years or so. I DID have a cell phone, and the same thing was true. In the thick of the mountains, I had no service.

JMO

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by zed


Why assume that Michelle's friends think they know who murdered her? [/*]

Why assume they don't?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Allison
snip~

I think people would be pleased that he did.

[/*]

So you don't believe Jason murdered Michelle? You'd want the person you believe slaughtered Michelle to come and celebrate her life? Isn't that a tad bit hypocritical?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


A ten hour round-trip is a bit much to expect from a 4-year-old, who is still too young to grasp the connection between ladybugs in an unfamiliar place and Mommy. Hopefully, Jason will honor the occasion with a tribute a little closer to home and in a way the little girl can understand.

jmo [/*]

That's true, but before everyone starts giving reasons why he won't attend, he has to be invited first.

Has he been?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Danica


Who knows :shrug: He's a M U T E

also, not his type of puppet show happening [/*]



It might be nice if the organizer(s) of this event contacted him for input and sent an invitation to him and C.

Has this happened?

Because if it doesn't, then we are never going to know if he declined and for what reasons.

You can not attend something you did not know was happening.


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943


LOL well if you are an example of the people attending I think its best he not go. [/*]

I missed that rumor.

No one mentions the oh, no madison. let's put the cat it the microwave story either .

Selective reading, maybe.
:shrug:

Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Danica


Yes I agree Kat, on your part. Singling out a comment made in a joking way to try and smear the victims sister is the low of all lows. jmo [/*]How do you know it was a joke?

If Jason had said it, would it be called a joke?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Blaze


Dunno. Can't quite figure this one out. From what I know, the only person LE is focused on is Jason. [/*]Since LE has not said that, how is it that you know it?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by FaithHope


There are more than 20 pages of search warrants issued in the link, all of which has Jason Lynn Young named as the suspect of this crime.

On page 10, are warrants for the phones, and all aural content of all phones.

Jason is the only suspect.

Quit kidding yourself, mimi.

http://www.newsobserver.com/content/news/story_graphics/20061207_youngWarrant.pdf [/*]

Jason has not been named a suspect :no:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by zed


Good question. Isn't May 11 Mother's Day? Maybe May 10 was the day that worked best for everyone. [/*]No, Sunday, May 11th is Mother's Day in the US.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Blaze


Where where the warrants served? [/*]:confused:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Blaze



Its obvious LE is focused on Jason the warrants were served on the homes he has stayed at since the murder. [/*]
They can be 'focused on him' until the sun explodes. Doesn't change the fact that he has not been named a suspect or a POI.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by JaneTruth


As the information was just released (did you look at the site with the flyer?), and I don't think personal invitations were considered necessary for ANYONE, I see no real reason for him to decline to attend.

And input from him is not required for Michelle's friends to hold an event in a public park in her honour. [/*]

So, how exactly then will Jason find out this is happening?

Maybe someone can serve a flyer on him.

Kat

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Blaze


Where where the warrants served? [/*]

All the sheriff would confirm is "several residences."

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Blaze



I just checked out the flyer and am impressed that Michelle's friends are doing all they can to keep her memory alive. [/*]


I agree and keeping a message board open for Michelle is an everyday reminder that everyone here wants justice for her.

18 months this weekend coming.
:(
Kat

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by alter ego
No, Sunday, May 11th is Mother's Day in the US. [/*]

Evidently the organizers didn't want to spend their own Mother's Day at an event honoring someone else. And Jason is the one being called selfish. Unbelievable.:rolleyes:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Blaze


You must have missed this article:

RALEIGH (WTVD) -- Wake County investigators tell Eyewitness News they have searched homes where Michelle Young's husband, Jason, has live since her murder in 2006.

http://www.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=5964617 [/*]

I saw it. I also know Jason stayed in Meredith's home for a period of time after the murder.

[dkny]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Evidently the organizers didn't want to spend their own Mother's Day at an event honoring someone else. And Jason is the one being called selfish. Unbelievable.:rolleyes: [/*]


It would be inconsiderate to schedule on Mother's day JMO.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Blaze


And definately this one:

Sheriff Donnie Harrison said detectives with the sheriff's office and the State Bureau of Investigation searched the homes of Jason Young's mother, Pat Young, and sister, Heather McCracken, last Thursday.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2450106/ [/*]





All the search warrants that L E has and still nothing about what they are looking for.

Those latest s/w's were issued 2 months and 2 weeks ago today.


Kat

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by dkny



It would be inconsiderate to schedule on Mother's day JMO. [/*]

not to Michelle or her daughter it wouldn't be. JMO.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


Evidently the organizers didn't want to spend their own Mother's Day at an event honoring someone else. And Jason is the one being called selfish. Unbelievable.:rolleyes: [/*]

It is also possible Jason has something already planned with C.
I guess it is up to them to deal with it the least painful way possible, and not what some strangers on a message board think that they should do.


Kat

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



All the search warrants that L E has and still nothing about what they are looking for.

Those latest s/w's were issued 2 months and 2 weeks ago today.


Kat [/*]

And they join other search warrants that have yet to be returned. JMO

[lilismom]

Originally posted by june1943


I seriously don't think I will know anyone that will be there. [/*]

Why? You said you didn't know Michelle. Ok. You won't know anyone at this memorial? I guess that means you were there as a friend to Jason's side of the family are are assuming that none of them will be there? That's not a shot at you, I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from.

Are you planning to attend if you live close enough to do so? If not, why? I understand if you choose not to answer.

I think if I lived close enough I might think about going. I participate in discussions about Michelle often. As you all know some are not nice. Some give me horrible visions of how she died. I think it would be nice to see people smiling when talking about Michelle. Even if there were a few tears. It would be nice to see the people who know and love her, remember her as she was in life and not picking apart every single thing about how her life ended.

Even if I chose to remain anonymous to the family and friends in attendance, I would think about going, even for a little while, if I lived near there.

IMO,
Lilismom

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


It is also possible Jason has something already planned with C.
I guess it is up to them to deal with it the least painful way possible, and not what some strangers on a message board think that they should do.


Kat [/*]

What I don't understand are all the hateful, tasteless remarks about Jason followed by demands he allow his daughter to attend an event with them. It's common sense that he and CY stay clear.

:shrug:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by june1943


I am over in Western NC. I was at my granddaughters house when Michelle was killed. [/*]

June, you don't have to provide personal information here and posters shouldn't be asking you to do so. Another poster gave his real name and address and has been stalked for over a year because of it. Not a good idea at all.
Just sayin...

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Blaze


He should have shown up at Michelle's memorials from the beginning or at least let Cassidy attend with the Fisher's. [/*]

Why would he want to do that? Are the mean girls planning to beat him up and put a video on the net? LOL

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Allison



Surely you don't think posters from this message board will be in attendance? 95% of posters are from places far away from Raleigh and have nothing to do with the Ladybug Day. The comments posted on this board will have no bearing on the memorial...a memorial designed to be fun for families. Most people in this area have not followed this case at all, they have no idea what is going on with it, so I doubt very seriously there will be anyone there that might hurt Jason's feelings, especially if he is accompanied by his daughter.

Someof Jason and Michelle's old friends would be delighted to see Cass.

IMO [/*]


If Jason and Michelle's friends want to see Cass, they should contact him directly and set something up. I don't believe he reads message boards. jmo

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Allison
snip~


Most people in this area have not followed this case at all, they have no idea what is going on with it, so I doubt very seriously there will be anyone there that might hurt Jason's feelings, especially if he is accompanied by his daughter.

[/*]

Maybe most people in the area haven't followed this case but don't you think the ones going to this event in honor of Michelle have? How do these people who will be in attendance think Michelle died? And who do they think killed her?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Allison


I wasn't asking for June's name, I was asking her to tell me what color shirt LF was wearing at Michelle's wake or funeral (whichever it was that June claimed to attend).


There were hundreds of people there. How is me asking her to tell me something about an event she claimed to attend asking for personal info?

I could care less who June is, I just want to know if she was really at the wake or funeral. [/*]

As you note, hundreds of people were there. If you really don't care whether June was there why ask her such a trivial question? Who remembers the color of somebody's shirt 18 months later?

:shrug:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Allison


What I mean is, there will be families at the park who happen upon the event by chance, that may recognize Michelle's name and remember that she was murdered, but wouldn't know what message boards posters know about the case. They will let their kids take part in the memorial because it looks like it will be fun, and geared toward children, which imo, is the best way to remember Michelle. I disagree that most people going to this event know Michelle and how she died and the circumstances surrounding her death and the murder investigation. It seems as though this is a public event for the whole community to enjoy and not a rally to crucify Jason.

There will be people there who know about this case, but imo, they will have enough respect for Cass and honor Michelle's memory by not making the event uncomfortable for Jason and his family. Most of Jason's friends who keep do not even discuss the case and would love a chance to see Cass and see how much she has changed. [/*]

I doubt it is Jason's friends that he worries about. You believe Jason is reading message boards so if he is, he knows it's impossible to attend and avoid nasty cranks who will likely show up at the event. You can't control what other people do and neither can he. If I were in Jason's shoes, I would avoid it and absolutely keep my mother, sister and daughter away as well. The event is being widely publicized and discussed on the 'net. Here's an example. JMO

http://frictionpowered.hqforums.com/
vp7632.html#7632

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Allison


Because she has made comments on this board stating that she attended the wake and overheard comments LF made and posted them as fact.

I remember what LF was wearing 18 months later. If June doesn't remember, she should say so. I can ask another question.

May I ask why you feel it necessary to answer for June?

Are you buying time until your leader comes back and can answer the question? I mean, afterall, it has been almost an hour since I asked?

TIA [/*]

I didn't answer for June nor is she my "leader."

Nobody is forcing you to believe she was there. I guess I don't understand why you're harassing June about it. She can't link to what she observed nor can anybody else. :shrug:

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by june1943


Thanks I have her on ignore and don't intend to answer any of her questions. I believe she is one of those so called friends of Jason's and Michelle's. [/*]

good idea. Have a nice afternoon.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by june1943


If she was at the funeral then she knows what LF said. Why would she be questioning me? [/*]

I dunno. Several hundred people were there. You weren't the only attendee with eyes and ears open.

:shrug:

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Allison


What I mean is, there will be families at the park who happen upon the event by chance, that may recognize Michelle's name and remember that she was murdered, but wouldn't know what message boards posters know about the case. They will let their kids take part in the memorial because it looks like it will be fun, and geared toward children, which imo, is the best way to remember Michelle. I disagree that most people going to this event know Michelle and how she died and the circumstances surrounding her death and the murder investigation. It seems as though this is a public event for the whole community to enjoy and not a rally to crucify Jason.

There will be people there who know about this case, but imo, they will have enough respect for Cass and honor Michelle's memory by not making the event uncomfortable for Jason and his family. Most of Jason's friends who keep do not even discuss the case and would love a chance to see Cass and see how much she has changed. [/*]

I can understand putting differences aside in order to be able to continue seeing children. I had to do it at one time because the dispute or whatever wasn't as important to me as seeing my nephews and niece. But this is not a dispute or family feud, this is a cold blooded calculated slaughter of a young and lovely pregnant mother. I'm sorry but if she were my friend, sister, daughter or anyone close to me I wouldn't want the man I believed murdered her anywhere near me for any reason.

Maybe I'd feel differently if Cassidy were my granddaughter and that was the only way I could see her but I just don't know.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Allison

~respectfully snipped~
[/*]

Allison, June has already said she has you on ignore. Hopefully she has all posters "making fun" on ignore as well and the discussion can continue.

[JHP]

Originally posted by Allison


I am not questioning what LF said. She said a lot of different things to a lot of different people.

I want you to prove you were there by telling me what he was wearing. If you don't remember, say so, and I will ask something else. I can pm you if you like so you're answer isn't on display.

I just don't think you were there, and since you continuously post snide comments about posters claiming to be something they are not (i.e., you're above comment calling me "another so-called friend) I would like for you to pony-up and prove yourself and prove you were there.

I would think you would be chomping at the bit to prove you were there so posters would take you seriously and quit making fun of you. [/*]


Good afternoon Allison, I hope if you are going to the Ladybug Liftoff you have a wonderful time remembering Michelle. It will be so nice to get together with other people who loved Michelle.

This is such a lovely idea.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MandyMutton


I doubt it is Jason's friends that he worries about. You believe Jason is reading message boards
<snipped>. JMO

QUOTE]


Maybe we should not expect Jason to attend, after~all..
Between destroying evidence, dating girls in GA, SC, NC,Ala, Tenn, La, Ark,working, getting speeding tix, gambling, island hopping,raising C, keeping her safe,and reading Message Boards, whew.

Kat


Ps.I just saw a ladybug cake at the supermarket...cute.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Blaze


I know what you mean, she would then seem more credible, as of right now, I get the feeling its only another person wanting their 15 minutes of fame by linking themselves to the victim and the victim's family. [/*]


Whether June attended the funeral herself, or heard second hand that LF called Jason a killer, can not begin to compare with the poster who saw the autopsy photos.

:(

Kat

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Blaze


Not the same. We know for a FACT what that poster did, we don't know if June is a credible source or not. That was all Allison asked, some proof of credibility, not her identity. Since she was unwilling, we will have to assume that any info she passes along here is rumor. [/*]

speak for yourself, pls. I find June very credible because she ignores attacks and insults. Very classy, imo.

[JHP]

Originally posted by Blaze


Not the same. We know for a FACT what that poster did, we don't know if June is a credible source or not. That was all Allison asked, some proof of credibility, not her identity. Since she was unwilling, we will have to assume that any info she passes along here is rumor. [/*]

Exactly Blaze! You shouldn't represent yourself as something you're not. Even on a crime message board, but especially if you are speaking in a negative way about the victims mother.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Blaze


Not the same. We know for a FACT what that poster did, we don't know if June is a credible source or not. That was all Allison asked, some proof of credibility, not her identity. Since she was unwilling, we will have to assume that any info she passes along here is rumor. [/*]


But we also know for fact that, that person tried to rep himself as something he was not either.

The fact that you would still believe anything that poster says is what I find in~credible.

Nothing he posted has proven accurate, he has had to make retractions at the expense of other people.


:shrug:

Kat

[JHP]

Originally posted by Blaze


Interesting, some seem to find it "classy". [/*]


Very interesting indeed. "classy" is not the first thought that comes to my mind. But as you say to each his own.

JMO

[dkny]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


not to Michelle or her daughter it wouldn't be. JMO. [/*]

I do not understand your reasoning, is it to say the opposite ? Michelle's life was taken away from her. CY is a little girl who lost her Mother and she is not yet a Mother.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Allison
snip~


Prove you were at the funeral and I will believe what you said LF said. [/*]

You either heard LF say at the funeral that Jason killed her daughter or you didn't. You shouldn't need an anonymous message board poster to confirm it.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Allison


I plan on taking my mother and my daughter and neice to the event. Such a nice way to honor a friend who was a wonderful mother.

I agree, it's a lovely idea and I hope it has a large turn out.

(and I hope the weather is nice!!) [/*]

I think the commemoration is a lovely idea too. IMHO, Michelle Young deserves to be remembered by anyone who cares to attend, and by anyone who doesn't, but simply honors her in their thoughts that day.

Arguing about it, though, seems to diminish the whole import. Maybe that's what some people intend.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by annalyzer


You either heard LF say at the funeral that Jason killed her daughter or you didn't. You shouldn't need an anonymous message board poster to confirm it. [/*]

This is getting a little weird.

:eek:


Kat

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


This is getting a little weird.

:eek:


Kat [/*]

Why is that?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I think the commemoration is a lovely idea too. IMHO, Michelle Young deserves to be remembered by anyone who cares to attend, and by anyone who doesn't, but simply honors her in their thoughts that day.

Arguing about it, though, seems to diminish the whole import. Maybe that's what some people intend.

JMO [/*]

I don't think anyone is arguing about the commemoration taking place.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I think the commemoration is a lovely idea too. IMHO, Michelle Young deserves to be remembered by anyone who cares to attend, and by anyone who doesn't, but simply honors her in their thoughts that day.

Arguing about it, though, seems to diminish the whole import. Maybe that's what some people intend.

JMO [/*]

I think so too, and in all probablilty there is not much of a chance of Jason attending.

Do I wish he would?, Yes,, but under the circumstances he probably does not know what to expect and rightfully so.

How would he be treated in front of C?
Would he be taking away from Michelle's day?

I hope that it turns out to be all that Michelle's friends intend it to be, a tribute to her and their friendship.

This really isn't about us, and the term outsider could not apply more here.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by annalyzer


I don't think anyone is arguing about the commemoration taking place. [/*]

No, I know. But it has still turned into just one more bone of contention between the JDIs and JIIs. Personally, I think that's sad.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Why is that? [/*]

Asking people who they are and where they live...
I believe that is definite grounds for a TOS.
I hope it stops.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


I think so too, and in all probablilty there is not much of a chance of Jason attending.

Do I wish he would?, Yes,, but under the circumstances he probably does not know what to expect and rightfully so.

How would he be treated in front of C?
Would he be taking away from Michelle's day?

I hope that it turns out to be all that Michelle's friends intend it to be, a tribute to her and their friendship.

This really isn't about us, and the term outsider could not apply more here.

Kat [/*]

Honestly, I think that Jason attending would be a little strange for a lot the people there, and whether he's innocent or guilty, I could argue reasons that he wouldn't be comfortable there.

But none of those arguments apply to CY, imo. I think it would be really special if she were there, with lots of people who were close to her mother.

But that's just my opinion.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by june1943


Why would I care what people say about me? Who are you to ask me to pony up? Are you the pony up police? LOL I don't think you were there or you would just say what LF said. I know she said it and if you were there then you know she said it. Jason has hard times and you get on the web and say bad things about him. Where I come from we call those so called friends maybe you have a different name. [/*]

A different name is manipulator or bully. People who insult someone then demand they follow their orders.

Very similar behavior to what has been done to Jason. He's been called a killer and then ridiculed because he doesn't show up at their staged media events.

jmo

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


No, I know. But it has still turned into just one more bone of contention between the JDIs and JIIs. Personally, I think that's sad. [/*]

The longer this goes on, the more both sides have become pretty stubborn about the position they have taken....

Just have to let it play out....

JDI's are convinced he did it..

JII's either think he is innocent or want some proof.


:shrug:

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Asking people who they are and where they live...
I believe that is definite grounds for a TOS.
I hope it stops.

Kat [/*]

I must have missed that part, Kat. All I saw was someone being asked what color blouse or whatever LF wore.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


A different name is manipulator or bully. People who insult someone then demand they follow their orders.

~snipped~

jmo [/*]

That's really funny, Mutton. Really funny.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Allison


They have.

He does. [/*]Is there a link to this?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
Is there a link to this? [/*]

I doubt it, AE. But I doubt there's a link for LE painting a big red target on Meredith's back, either.

JMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Allison


Yep.. ya got that right. I was a friend of Jason and Michelle's, until she was murdered and he left town.

I guess my point was made in that June1943 has no idea what LF was wearing at the funeral or wake because she was not there.

Her silence on the subject, like Jason's silence about the murder, is very telling...imo. [/*]
Do you have any proof that you are, er were, a friend of Jason and Michelle's - you want others to 'prove' their claims, can you prove yours?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


No, I know. But it has still turned into just one more bone of contention between the JDIs and JIIs. Personally, I think that's sad. [/*]
Sad and sorry

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I doubt it, AE. But I doubt there's a link for LE painting a big red target on Meredith's back, either.

JMO [/*]

No links needed when it is clearly stated as an opinion but I did not refer to the killer with a name.

********************
MandyMutton

telephone call, router and tower detail is found on the provider's servers, not inside the telephone itself. Those search warrants have not been made public.

The killer has a bright red target on her back and I believe the helpful detectives have made sure she knows it.

jmo

Report this post to a moderator 04-27-2008 04:46 PM

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by june1943


The best one I remember is a female Raleigh Police officer. Then it was AL. My guess would be he has a secret desire to be a girl and the closes he comes is playing one on a message board.
Enough about him. I think the Lady bugs are a good idea. Its a shame that both sides of the family couldn't celebrate Michelle's life together but LF made it clear from the get go where she stood and that wasn't beside Jason and his daughter. IMO [/*]

wasn't Michelle's therapist a specialist in gender identity? Perhaps Michelle was concerned about someone struggling with such a problem and she reached out to the therapist on their behalf?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Blaze


If you say so.:rolleyes: [/*]I deleted my post so as to not get sucked into the offtopic bs that gets this thread closed down.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Blaze
As far as the ladybug release, is it a fund raiser for Cassidy? [/*]The website doesn't say anything about raising funds. :shrug:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Blaze


So, it must be more of a memorial type of thing. [/*]Yeah. I'm reading it as a celebration of life type memorial.

http://www.members.shaw.ca/ladybug_release/

[Leanne Weich]

I am not worried that there has not been an arrest in this matter yet as just yesterday, Hans Reiser was found guilty of the 1st degree murder of his wife Nina who went missing on Sept. 3, 2006 and whose body has yet to be found. This sounded like a really tough case to get a conviction on, let alone 1st degree, but justice prevailed and I believe like Hans Reiser, Jason Lynn Young will still be held accountable for his heinous actions against his wife and unborn son. JMO.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


No links needed when it is clearly stated as an opinion but I did not refer to the killer with a name.

********************
MandyMutton

telephone call, router and tower detail is found on the provider's servers, not inside the telephone itself. Those search warrants have not been made public.

The killer has a bright red target on her back and I believe the helpful detectives have made sure she knows it.

jmo

Report this post to a moderator 04-27-2008 04:46 PM [/*]

Did I misinterpret your post? Were you not referring to Meredith? If not, please say so, and I'll stand corrected.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by TIAZ


Thank you for posting that Leanne. Sometimes it seems like Michelle's murderer will never be caught and this case will remained unsolved. Your post gives some hope. [/*]

ITA We argue on here about the stupidest things but I hope we all agree on one thing ~ that Michelle's murderer will be brought to justice no matter who it ends up being.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by TIAZ


Thank you for posting that Leanne. Sometimes it seems like Michelle's murderer will never be caught and this case will remained unsolved. Your post gives some hope. [/*]

I must be honest and say I've been optimistic since day one that justice will eventually be obtained for Michelle and her precious baby. I do believe that the DA will only bring this matter before the GJ when he is confident that he will be successful in obtaining a conviction. He only gets one bite at the apple so it stands to reason that they will leave no stone unturned in getting every bit of evidence they can so that they are ready to go immediately they get an indictment, imo.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by FaithHope
Thank you Leanne & Blaze, for your attempt in keeping this forum sane, and posting the real, true facts of this case.

I am sickened by what is being alluded to on this forum, and I know that my attempts, and unfortunately yours' too, are futile in getting through to some here.

Meredith Fisher no more murdered Michelle than the President did! She is a victim too, being sent to the home by Jason Young to find the body of her sister.

It is sad to see what has been allowed on this forum!

Blaze, forgive me for reposting some of the same links.

Thank you for your efforts, to both of you. [/*]

At this point everyone is suspect and if some choose to believe MF is the killer as opposed to JY then that is their choice and they have a right to their opinion. Perhaps some of those who think Jason is innocent are "sickened" by what they see posted about him.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by FaithHope


<snipped>

Believe what you want, time is going to tell real soon. [/*]

So, I can quote you on this........and you will stand by it, correct?
Soon, right?

TIA

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Blaze


You have no idea what I believe.

RPD does not post here anymore so you need to stop obsessing. [/*]

We were talking about credibility, and that poster has none..

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich
I am not worried that there has not been an arrest in this matter yet as just yesterday, Hans Reiser was found guilty of the 1st degree murder of his wife Nina who went missing on Sept. 3, 2006 and whose body has yet to be found. This sounded like a really tough case to get a conviction on, let alone 1st degree, but justice prevailed and I believe like Hans Reiser, Jason Lynn Young will still be held accountable for his heinous actions against his wife and unborn son. JMO. [/*]

There is no comparison....
You stated that case does not even have a body.

Michelle's body was found within approx. 14 hours of the last
'known" person to see her...


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich


I must be honest and say I've been optimistic since day one that justice will eventually be obtained for Michelle and her precious baby. I do believe that the DA will only bring this matter before the GJ when he is confident that he will be successful in obtaining a conviction. He only gets one bite at the apple so it stands to reason that they will leave no stone unturned in getting every bit of evidence they can so that they are ready to go immediately they get an indictment, imo. [/*]


No DA or Prosecutor is ever sure or guaranteed of a successful conviction.

Look at what just happened in the case of the groom to be that was shot........verdict came back innocent.,,,,,,,,a shock to some.

You build your case on what you have, you present it and all you can do is trust in the 12 jurors.

SP trial scared me that he would walk, if the Prosecution had waited more than 4 months or Laci's body had not surfaced, Scott may very well be living in Mexico.

Which reminds me, big question....

Why has Jason not tried to run?

Huge question.


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by annalyzer


ITA We argue on here about the stupidest things but I hope we all agree on one thing ~ that Michelle's murderer will be brought to justice no matter who it ends up being. [/*]


There is no doubt we all want the same thing.

I am not signing up with the Jasondidit fan club.

There is simply not enough known,


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by annalyzer


At this point everyone is suspect and if some choose to believe MF is the killer as opposed to JY then that is their choice and they have a right to their opinion. Perhaps some of those who think Jason is innocent are "sickened" by what they see posted about him. [/*]

Excellent......

Until someone is charged with the murder of Michelle Marie Young, the case remains open, and anyone can be discussed.

Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by FaithHope


No, everyone is not suspect.

Warrants have not been issued with " everyone's" name on them.
Jason's name is the only name on warrants.
Jason is the only one that has not cooperated.

Read any news report!
All information points straight to Jason.

Believe what you want, time is going to tell real soon. [/*]
Yes, everyone is being looked at and no one has been ruled out. Sheriff Donnie told us all that. Dunno why you want us to think he lied and that you know more than he does.

:shrug:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Blaze


What makes me even more optimistic is that Jason Young's biggest supporter, the retired teacher, has not posted anywhere since last week. It gives me the feeling that something is up. [/*]How would you know where he posted? You have no idea what private boards he may have posted on.

But keep on thinking him not posting on a non private board means anything.

As if the investigation into who murdered Michelle Young rests on the posting habits of Gojo.


:lol:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

Another board is suggesting since gojo is not posting it is a sign that the GJ will be handing down an indictment when they next meet and Sheriff Donnie and Jason`s attorney are making arrangement for Jason to turn himself in. I think we went through this scenario last week. Gotta give then credit,they don`t give up. LMBO [/*]

Yep, L E is on the way there right now...any minute now we should be hearing something.

:rolleyes:

Kat

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich
I am not worried that there has not been an arrest in this matter yet as just yesterday, Hans Reiser was found guilty of the 1st degree murder of his wife Nina who went missing on Sept. 3, 2006 and whose body has yet to be found. This sounded like a really tough case to get a conviction on, let alone 1st degree, but justice prevailed and I believe like Hans Reiser, Jason Lynn Young will still be held accountable for his heinous actions against his wife and unborn son. JMO. [/*]

I guess I'm not following your line of reasoning if Nina is a missing person case and she went missing two months prior to Michelle's murder. There now has been a conviction in Nina's case. Twenty months=case closed. Arrest. Trial. Conviction.

How is that in any way similar to Michelle's murder? Eighteen months=case unsolved. No POI or suspect named. No arrest. No trial. No conviction.

:shrug:

[awareness]

I sure hope that GJ rumor is true, but am not holding my breath until I hear official word.

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE

JMO/IMO