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Roux

04-22-2008, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by lotty
Part II FLDS Interview with Fathers
The Early Show CBS
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/22/earlyshow/main4033861.shtml [/*]

I wished she would have asked each of them individually "how many children do you have and how do you support them?" Obviously they won't say how many wives they have since polygamy is a crime, but they can say without self-incrimination how many children they have.

We've seen on the various morning shows only about 6 or 7 men maybe (and they've all been relatively young). I'd like to know exactly how many fathers are involved for the 400+ children. Speculation has been that the worst offenders have gone underground or to other compounds.

Rainkiss

04-22-2008, 12:25 PM

Add in, "What are their names, and ages" to your question... I'm more and more disturbed that they talk about "the children," but not by name, age, sex... And, unless I've missed it, rarely if ever do they refer to "MY" child, "MY" children. Creepy.

Ladyhawk

04-22-2008, 12:33 PM

I notice in the video they are quite specific in their wording that their children have suffered no abuse in that way (meaning sexual). They didn't say there was no abuse period, no abuse of any kind.

The one guy on the end seems to gloss over the fact that even if a 14 yr old could legally get married 6 yrs ago, being married to more than one person has been against the law for many years so if he has more than one wife no matter what the age, he's a criminal.

If there are children whose DNA doesn't match any of the men currently in the compound how will they explain that since they are so morally clean? Maybe they could plead immaculate conception.

MOO

juliekan

04-22-2008, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by Ladyhawk
I notice in the video they are quite specific in their wording that their children have suffered no abuse in that way (meaning sexual). They didn't say there was no abuse period, no abuse of any kind.

The one guy on the end seems to gloss over the fact that even if a 14 yr old could legally get married 6 yrs ago, being married to more than one person has been against the law for many years so if he has more than one wife no matter what the age, he's a criminal.

If there are children whose DNA doesn't match any of the men currently in the compound how will they explain that since they are so morally clean? Maybe they could plead immaculate conception.

MOO [/*]

www.gosanangelo.com

Reporting that a man that had left the FLDS drove to San Angelo from Nevada for the DNA testing because he has 3 sons there

Rainkiss

04-22-2008, 12:42 PM

Also... Someone tried to ask them about the teenage brides, they countered with "we're talking about the children." (I think it was the Larry King interview.) They don't consider the married girls to be children any more... so (in their eyes) how can it be child abuse?

lotty

04-22-2008, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by juliekan

www.gosanangelo.com

Reporting that a man that had left the FLDS drove to San Angelo from Nevada for the DNA testing because he has 3 sons there [/*]

I had a feeling that there would be children there, that would have one or no parents on the compound. Wait and see I guess. Good for the Man from Nevada.

KatyDid

04-22-2008, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by Roux

I wished she would have asked each of them individually "how many children do you have and how do you support them?" Obviously they won't say how many wives they have since polygamy is a crime, but they can say without self-incrimination how many children they have.

We've seen on the various morning shows only about 6 or 7 men maybe (and they've all been relatively young). I'd like to know exactly how many fathers are involved for the 400+ children. Speculation has been that the worst offenders have gone underground or to other compounds. [/*]

Their were 65 men on the Texas compound. Only a handful remain. The last report I heard was 10-12 men remain. My guess...the ones that remain have probably not married or had sexual relations with a minor. All the others are missing in action...running like scared rabbits into their holes. They leave their 'wives' to fight for their religious beliefs and the return of their children.

I bunch of cowards they are. They will not stand up for what they believe. They do not support their religion.

They know they are a bunch of pedophiles. They know what they do is illegal. It has nothing to do with religion or they would not be hiding, they would be teaching and educating the public on the righteousness of their religious beliefs.

What they didn't know was the cojones Texas has. Texas began immediately infiltrating the compound and collecting the information needed to take action.

Texas is not Utah or Arizona~they do not turn a blind eye. They do not believe religion gives a person or people the right to violate the laws of the land.

lotty

04-22-2008, 12:48 PM

Anybody watch ttv. (Paraphrasing) The number of children in custody has risen from 416 to 437...some of the girls claiming to be over 18yo have 'fessed up to being under 18.

KatyDid

04-22-2008, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by juliekan

www.gosanangelo.com

Reporting that a man that had left the FLDS drove to San Angelo from Nevada for the DNA testing because he has 3 sons there [/*]

The coward ran to Nevada huh? I bet there are some in Utah too.

I wonder how many wives and children they have in Nevada and Utah?

juliekan

04-22-2008, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by KatyDid

The coward ran to Nevada huh? I bet there are some in Utah too.

I wonder how many wives and children they have in Nevada and Utah? [/*]
He left 3 years ago

KatyDid

04-22-2008, 12:55 PM

KatyDid

04-22-2008, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by juliekan

He left 3 years ago [/*]

:eek: That is even more distrubing, IMO. He left his children three years ago. Um, okay, why?

juliekan

04-22-2008, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by KatyDid

:eek: That is even more distrubing, IMO. He left his children three years ago. Um, okay, why? [/*]
He's 32 yo now, maybe a young stud like that needed to be sent away to "atone" for something

KatyDid

04-22-2008, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Rainkiss
Also... Someone tried to ask them about the teenage brides, they countered with "we're talking about the children." (I think it was the Larry King interview.) They don't consider the married girls to be children any more... so (in their eyes) how can it be child abuse? [/*]

IMO, that shows their stupidity about emotional growth. Just because a girl starts menstruating does not mean that girl has the emotional stability or the physical ability to give birth and raise a child.

lotty

04-22-2008, 12:59 PM

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2008/apr/21/more-sect-moms-may-join-children/

More sect moms may join children
Number of youngsters held rises
By Paul A. Anthony
San Angelo Standard-Times
Monday, April 21, 2008

KatyDid

04-22-2008, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by juliekan

He's 32 yo now, maybe a young stud like that needed to be sent away to "atone" for something [/*]

Now I am wondering...is his wife still his wife, or was she given to an older freak to bear his children.

barf I just have to. This is the biggest mess and the biggest abuse of human rights, not by LE, but by the FLDS.

lotty

04-22-2008, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by juliekan

He's 32 yo now, maybe a young stud like that needed to be sent away to "atone" for something [/*]

IMO/JMO I wonder if he was ex-d or left of his own will. Wonder why the mother wouldn't leave with him (loaded question)? Some do leave with their husbands for whatever reason they are leaving, but most don't.hammer

cloe23

04-22-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by lotty
Anybody watch ttv. (Paraphrasing) The number of children in custody has risen from 416 to 437...some of the girls claiming to be over 18yo have 'fessed up to being under 18. [/*]

Yup Im on it. turtv. 'Susan' a cnn reporter from TX has just reported that the next custody hearing is in two months.
That this case may go to trial.
State is concerned about the rape of a child, sagatory rape and physically abusing that has been happening to these childern and some now are 18yrs old girls that they are interviewing. Authorities are saying that they the children were either a victim of abuse(harm) or in imminent danger.

Thanks goodness for DNA testing. 20 yrs ago what would they have done?(the state) Largest custody case in US history.
And sexual abuse case to thicken the plot.

My hope is they are inerviewing the kids and having them seen by doctors. My first thought was how intrusive? But I quickley reminded myself that they are used to intrusive acts upon them already. Being seen by a doctor is going to a less intrusive act then what they are used too.

tisamystery

04-22-2008, 01:42 PM

I'm convinced that the women are totally brainwashed, but I'm wondering about the men. Do you think they also believe everything the religion teaches or do you think they know darn well what's going on and are just enjoying the benefits?

juliekan

04-22-2008, 01:46 PM

Weirdness Alert:

Pauly Shore was at the courthouse in San Angelo this am. Tried to ask questions with reporters and the reporters apparently jumped his ****

cloe23

04-22-2008, 01:49 PM

http://topics.cnn.com/topics/ funda...
y_saints

Morning all

Records point to 4 girls who could be sect's 'Sarah'
Authorities searching the compound of a polygamist sect in West Texas found a "cyanide poisoning document" among the dozens of items it seized during a weeklong search.

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cloe23

04-22-2008, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by evalles

Not for these women, for all mother's that lose their children.
The state is in a position to help them all, instead they'll destroy them IMO. [/*]
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Well I am keeping a positive outlook with the outcome of the children. I feel the state of TX has a disaster on their hands and will need to request for federal assistance. Like when there is a flood and the town/state recieves funding and assistence.

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KatyDid

04-22-2008, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by tisamystery
I'm convinced that the women are totally brainwashed, but I'm wondering about the men. Do you think they also believe everything the religion teaches or do you think they know darn well what's going on and are just enjoying the benefits? [/*]

I think the men in positions of 'power' KNOW 'darn well what's going on'. They are the ones that constantly lie to authorities to be able to purchase these large parcels of land. They are the ones who lie to government agencies to gain multi-million dollar government contracts.

Then, their are the men who are completely and totally subserviant to the elders. They too are brainwashed from an early age.

I am reminded of the Warren Jeffs trial when some of the young men took the stand. They too were robotic in their actions. They spoke of their 'lessons' by Jeffs.

In those lessons, they ARE taught that they are the head of their homes, that they must have three wives to enter heaven, that their wives must be completely and totally subserviant to them. Their wives must remain 'sweet'. If their wives become a 'problem' they are to report their wives to the elders.

cloe23

04-22-2008, 01:51 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by evalles

Evalles see the below pdf file. You may feel differentlly.
Originally posted by KatyDid
The affidavit and citation. Check out pages 2, 3, & 4 for information about Sarah's call.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/im...z.affidavit.pdf

I can't cut and paste because it is a pdf document. [/*]

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cloe23

04-22-2008, 01:52 PM

quote:
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Originally posted by evalles

They like to breast feed in peace ? [/*]
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Breast feeding the five year olds in peace! Not normal, they should be in school at five! Not still on the boob, for the love of food!
There is more too this, it is perfectlly normal to have supervised visits when children are being investagated by children services for abuse. I am sure the laws differ from state to state. I see nothing wrong and support supervised visits.
How would you feel if the daddies were wanting to come visit the 15year olds girls and have unsupervised visits?

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KatyDid

04-22-2008, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by cloe23
[QUOTE]Originally posted by evalles

Evalles see the below pdf file. You may feel differentlly.
Originally posted by KatyDid
The affidavit and citation. Check out pages 2, 3, & 4 for information about Sarah's call.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/im...z.affidavit.pdf

I can't cut and paste because it is a pdf document. [/*]

__________________ [/*]

I think it didn't tranfer correctly, so I will post it again from the site. :seeya:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/04/09/yfz.affidavit.pdf

Thank you for bringing it over cloe!!

lotty

04-22-2008, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by lotty

I had a feeling that there would be children there, that would have one or no parents on the compound. Wait and see I guess. Good for the Man from Nevada. [/*]

http://gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/22/dna-sampling-of-ranch-parents-starts-in-eldorado/

IMO/JMO Just read the article...OOPS! that's what happens when I comment before reading and/or thinking. Forget that post. I do not agree with what this "Father" says. My bad.hammer

juliekan

04-22-2008, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by cloe23
[QUOTE]Originally posted by evalles

Evalles see the below pdf file. You may feel differentlly.
Originally posted by KatyDid
The affidavit and citation. Check out pages 2, 3, & 4 for information about Sarah's call.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/im...z.affidavit.pdf

I can't cut and paste because it is a pdf document. [/*]

__________________ [/*]

link not working...try this...is this what you were trying to post?

http://web.gosanangelo.com/pdf/affidavit.pdf

cloe23

04-22-2008, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by KatyDid

I think it didn't tranfer correctly, so I will post it again from the site. :seeya:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/04/09/yfz.affidavit.pdf

Thank you for bringing it over cloe!! [/*]

WY, It was all I could think of to do. I hope it is ok, as if I get coldwater on me I will freeze to death, lol!
Its cold here today!
Peace

KatyDid

04-22-2008, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by juliekan

link not working...try this...is this what you were trying to post?

http://web.gosanangelo.com/pdf/affidavit.pdf [/*]

That looks like the same document. I reposted the link to the original pdf file with all the date stamps. The link you have is a nice cleaned up version. It is easier to read.

Thanks for posting it. :seeya:

lotty

04-22-2008, 02:04 PM

http://gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/21/breaking-news-dna-results-on-sect-children-may-5/

"The agency said results from the tests will take 30 to 50 days to process for children and parents from the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints ranch near Eldorado.

If it takes the full 50 days, the results will not be available until June 9, four days after the 60-day custody hearings must be completed."

juliekan

04-22-2008, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by lotty
http://gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/21/breaking-news-dna-results-on-sect-children-may-5/

"The agency said results from the tests will take 30 to 50 days to process for children and parents from the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints ranch near Eldorado.

If it takes the full 50 days, the results will not be available until June 9, four days after the 60-day custody hearings must be completed." [/*]
I would hope with this big mess that they would pull in all resources necessary to make sure that the results will be available on time.

juliekan

04-22-2008, 02:17 PM

I was reading an article from 2005 from El Dorado and they said that the kids call all the women "Mother" and all the men "Uncle". First thought was "They probably ARE your uncle!"(all of them)
:no:

lotty

04-22-2008, 02:17 PM

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695272524,00.html

"The women had said the letter originally was mailed to the governor's office on April 12, but Piferrer said it never arrived. Instead, a copy was hand-delivered to the office Monday, a state holiday celebrating San Jacinto Day."

IMO/JMO Somewhere I saw the signatures of the three women on the letter (will have to look for it) almost identical handwriting. IMO/JMO

juliekan

04-22-2008, 02:28 PM

www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/22/san-angelo-coliseum-locked-down-as-buses-on/

San Angelo coliseum locked down and buses with water and food are in the parking lot. Officials have no comment!!!!
I just got the chills:eek:

KatyDid

04-22-2008, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by juliekan
www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/22/san-angelo-coliseum-locked-down-as-buses-on/

San Angelo coliseum locked down and buses with water and food are in the parking lot. Officials have no comment!!!!
I just got the chills:eek: [/*]

:eek: :eek:

Wonder what's up?

juliekan

04-22-2008, 02:43 PM

juliekan

04-22-2008, 02:50 PM

trutv: state troopers on site, no one but LE or emergency personnel allowed in coliseum. Regular workers (people that were doing laundry etc turned away). Reporter notes that the buses have been used to just take the kids on an outing in the past.
Of course they didn't lock things down when they did that.

KatyDid

04-22-2008, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by juliekan
trutv: state troopers on site, no one but LE or emergency personnel allowed in coliseum. Regular workers (people that were doing laundry etc turned away). Reporter notes that the buses have been used to just take the kids on an outing in the past.
Of course they didn't lock things down when they did that. [/*]

Hmmm, that sounds like something other than the usual is going on.

juliekan

04-22-2008, 03:05 PM

www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695272825,00.html

One bus has already left the coliseum, escorted by LE and ambulances.

KatyDid

04-22-2008, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by juliekan
www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695272825,00.html

One bus has already left the coliseum, escorted by LE and ambulances. [/*]

AMBULANCES!!!

This seems peculiar to me.

KatyDid

04-22-2008, 03:25 PM

Gee, now I am wondering if someone from FLDA tired to infiltrate the colisiem as a worker.

Why would they be so secretive about it if there weren't a threat to the children of some kind?

juliekan

04-22-2008, 03:26 PM

Texanne on another thread reported that she had heard they were getting a group of them in her county at a Kidz Harbor.

Details

04-22-2008, 03:26 PM

I think they're just taking no chances. On another thread, someone posted about one of the places the children are going - sounds like a very nice and perfect home for them, someplace many of them can live together in a religious house.

I think the no children unless you submit to DNA testing is a "Duh" type of thing - with this type of situation, with children being shuffled around between compounds, countries, parents, only a DNA test can tell you who the parent is. It will be nice if this lets some of the fathers kicked out by Jeffs have a chance at getting their children back.

juliekan

04-22-2008, 03:27 PM

Details

04-22-2008, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by KatyDid
Gee, now I am wondering if someone from FLDA tired to infiltrate the colisiem as a worker.

Why would they be so secretive about it if there weren't a threat to the children of some kind? [/*]I'd worry about the FLDS as a threat, not to mention some nutjob who might think he's saving a child he can kidnap from the FLDS, or a nutjob who thinks he should kidnap a child for the FLDS and return them - something this high profile brings out the nuts.

juliekan

04-22-2008, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by Details
I'd worry about the FLDS as a threat, not to mention some nutjob who might think he's saving a child he can kidnap from the FLDS, or a nutjob who thinks he should kidnap a child for the FLDS and return them - something this high profile brings out the nuts. [/*]
Did you see my post that Pauly Shore was there this am?:rolleyes:

Details

04-22-2008, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by juliekan
Did you see my post that Pauly Shore was there this am?:rolleyes: [/*]ROFL

KatyDid

04-22-2008, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by juliekan
Texanne on another thread reported that she had heard they were getting a group of them in her county at a Kidz Harbor. [/*]

:punch: for me...LOL!

So they are taking the kids to more comfortable living quarters. The secretiveness is a precaution so peeps won't cause a stink.

I am glad to hear this. They deserve a nice place to stay.

juliekan

04-22-2008, 03:48 PM

Fox: first bus had boys in it, 2 more buses have also left. Going to be a long process, try to get them into a "homier" site. Trying to keep them in a 5 county area?

juliekan

04-22-2008, 04:06 PM

Forget the 5 county area...
San Angelo news reporting the children will be taken to Amarillo, Abilene, Waxahachie, Houston, and Austin.
I'm from the Abilene area originally, and it's a town of about 100,000 and home to 3 universities with religious affiliations. I think they will be very respectful of their religious needs. It's also not cosmopolitan at all, like a big city would be. There are already boys at Cal Farley's Ranch outside of Amarillo, bet that's where the other boys are headed.

kapupa

04-22-2008, 04:15 PM

If Texas waited till next month, all them young single moms with four+ kids would be getting nice, fat, tax rebate checks- compliments of the president. With over 400 children all together, that would be a heap of money! Hope LE has somebody watching the mailbox.

KatyDid

04-22-2008, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by juliekan
Forget the 5 county area...
San Angelo news reporting the children will be taken to Amarillo, Abilene, Waxahachie, Houston, and Austin.
I'm from the Abilene area originally, and it's a town of about 100,000 and home to 3 universities with religious affiliations. I think they will be very respectful of their religious needs. It's also not cosmopolitan at all, like a big city would be. There are already boys at Cal Farley's Ranch outside of Amarillo, bet that's where the other boys are headed. [/*]

I lived in Waxahachie before moving to Colorado. Waxahachie is small town like Abilene. I'm trying to think what facility is in Waxahachie. Maybe my DH will know.

Rainkiss

04-22-2008, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by kapupa
If Texas waited till next month, all them young single moms with four+ kids would be getting nice, fat, tax rebate checks- compliments of the president. With over 400 children all together, that would be a heap of money! Hope LE has somebody watching the mailbox. [/*]

Why bother? The rebate checks will go to where your refund went. Betcha every one of those checks is direct deposited into a bank account belonging to either the "husband" or the FLDS.

cloe23

04-22-2008, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by juliekan
www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695272825,00.html

One bus has already left the coliseum, escorted by LE and ambulances. [/*]

I sure hope that someone from the compound hasnt gone in there under faulse pretences and put arsnic in the food and water.:flamemad:

I have been fearing suck a attack!
Im sure im just being paranoied?

KKKKKKatie

04-22-2008, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by cloe23

I sure hope that someone from the compound hasnt gone in there under faulse pretences and put arsnic in the food and water.:flamemad:

I have been fearing suck a attack!
Im sure im just being paranoied? [/*]

I hope you are too lol but it is something to consider :(

cloe23

04-22-2008, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie

I hope you are too lol but it is something to consider :( [/*]

If we cant have our children then send them to god.
lol, im paranoid.:chicken:

duncan

04-22-2008, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by cloe23

I sure hope that someone from the compound hasnt gone in there under faulse pretences and put arsnic in the food and water.:flamemad:

I have been fearing suck a attack!
Im sure im just being paranoied? [/*]

Oh no, I think the authorities want to get these children settled somewhere, they need stability just now, omo.

cloe23

04-22-2008, 05:13 PM

KatyDid

04-22-2008, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by cloe23

KatyDid, I went to a biker ralley in my younger days in Waco, TX
lol:beer: OT sorry [/*]

:D :beer:

cloe23

04-22-2008, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by duncan

Oh no, I think the authorities want to get these children settled somewhere, they need stability just now, omo. [/*]

For the sake of those children I am choosing to side with you! Thanks.:rose:

Thing1

04-22-2008, 05:20 PM

It is my understanding that all of the children have now been moved from the coliseum and pavillion in san angelo. They are being moved to group homes throughout the state. Minor mothers will be kept with their babies. All boys over the age of 8 will be together. Siblings under 5 will be kept together and to the extent possible all siblings will be kept together.

Mothers who are not minors and are not in state custody cannot stay with their children, even if the children are under 5.

cloe23

04-22-2008, 05:22 PM

lotty

04-22-2008, 05:24 PM

IMO/JMO I'll bet Warren Jeffs is throwing a fit.:D IMO/JMO

cloe23

04-22-2008, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by Thing1
Respectfully snipped:

Mothers who are not minors and are not in state custody cannot stay with their children, even if the children are under 5. [/*]

Even if they 'the mothers' agree to dna testing and want out of the sect? Or is that too risky? I feel bad for the mom's who want out and want to reunite with thier birth right children. This is an easy ride out for the women who are not happy with LDS. imo

duncan

04-22-2008, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by Thing1
It is my understanding that all of the children have now been moved from the coliseum and pavillion in san angelo. They are being moved to group homes throughout the state. Minor mothers will be kept with their babies. All boys over the age of 8 will be together. Siblings under 5 will be kept together and to the extent possible all siblings will be kept together.

Mothers who are not minors and are not in state custody cannot stay with their children, even if the children are under 5. [/*]

Thanks for the update, group homes sound good to me, these children will lean on each other and I hope all siblings can be together.

Did the children have pets??? I think not, but if they did the animals should also be taken and reunited with the children, if not I think a dog or two will help comfort these children.

God Bless the caregivers.

KatyDid

04-22-2008, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by lotty
IMO/JMO I'll bet Warren Jeffs is throwing a fit.:D IMO/JMO [/*]

:D and he can't do 'nuttin' about it. I wonder how much he REALLY trusts his 2nd and 3rd in command. They certainly aren't showing their faces during this. They have run for the hills, or rather the dunes and stuck their head in the sand.

:patriot: for Texas doing the right thing, IMO.

cloe23

04-22-2008, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by lotty
IMO/JMO I'll bet Warren Jeffs is throwing a fit.:D IMO/JMO [/*]

And to think that these children were being raised to worship this man! Only pictures of Warren Jeffs on the walls is down right sick and wrong. I hope Warren is busy right now with his pal he met in the klink.:D

BorderCollieMom

04-22-2008, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by KatyDid

I lived in Waxahachie before moving to Colorado. Waxahachie is small town like Abilene. I'm trying to think what facility is in Waxahachie. Maybe my DH will know. [/*]

I think its a Presby Home.

They also bussing some here in Tarrant county to a place called Catholic Charities.

I was wondering earlier if all of them would eventually be put at the Buckner Home in Dallas....looks like they are all going here & there to different religious charities/homes.

KatyDid

04-22-2008, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by BorderCollieMom

I think its a Presby Home.

They also bussing some here in Tarrant county to a place called Catholic Charities.

I was wondering earlier if all of them would eventually be put at the Buckner Home in Dallas....looks like they are all going here & there to different religious charities/homes. [/*]

Thanks BorderCollieMom! I couldn't recall a home there. I see Waxahachie is out your back door. ;)

:seeya:

cloe23

04-22-2008, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by BorderCollieMom

I think its a Presby Home.

They also bussing some here in Tarrant county to a place called Catholic Charities.

I was wondering earlier if all of them would eventually be put at the Buckner Home in Dallas....looks like they are all going here & there to different religious charities/homes. [/*]

Thanks so much for the update. I am so happy that they are safe and healthy.
There are what approx 400 children who in all reality are our future. We need to take care of the kids so when we need them they can take care of us.:rose:

walton

04-22-2008, 06:50 PM

There was a medical facility on the compound. Who was the Doctor that had moved to the Ranch?

Maybe he is the one that treated Sara? Maybe he is the one that assisted in some of child births.

Thing1

04-22-2008, 07:29 PM

Another update:

Apparently all of the kids are not out of the coliseum yet. Do not know when they will be moved.

KatyDid

04-22-2008, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by walton
There was a medical facility on the compound. Who was the Doctor that had moved to the Ranch?

Maybe he is the one that treated Sara? Maybe he is the one that assisted in some of child births. [/*]

Found this Walton:

http://www.childbrides.org/texas_YFZ_Prophets_dream_of_Zion.html

"The group has even secured the services of a doctor, Lloyd Barlow, M.D., who once operated a clinic in Hildale, UT, but who recently received a license to practice medicine in Texas."

If he is the doc that treated Sarah, he has experience in the big cover up since he operated a clinic in Hilldale.

More about the doc:

http://www.azmd.gov/profile/profile.asp?LicenseType=MD&LicenseNum=31408

cloe23

04-22-2008, 08:06 PM

Respectfully Snipped:

If he is the doc that treated Sarah, he has experience in the big cover up since he operated a clinic in Hilldale.

More about the doc:

Great information! TY!
As for Sarah per the court transcript link:
She was taken to the hospital by an elder women. There she was treated for boken ribs. Sarah was trying to plot an excape by faking an illness so she could go back to the hospital and run from there, but back down because she realized she couldnt leave her baby or make her baby look sick so it could go with her.
I believe she was taken to an actual hospital. Off the unit.
If correct there has to be a record of it? Just wondering....
:confused:

KatyDid

04-22-2008, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by cloe23
Respectfully Snipped:

If he is the doc that treated Sarah, he has experience in the big cover up since he operated a clinic in Hilldale.

More about the doc:

Great information! TY!
As for Sarah per the court transcript link:
She was taken to the hospital by an elder women. There she was treated for boken ribs. Sarah was trying to plot an excape by faking an illness so she could go back to the hospital and run from there, but back down because she realized she couldnt leave her baby or make her baby look sick so it could go with her.
I believe she was taken to an actual hospital. Off the unit.
If correct there has to be a record of it? Just wondering....
:confused: [/*]

I think she probably meant the on site clinic. I imagine they call it the hospital. She descibed the treatment she got as having her ribs wrapped with an ace bandage and told to take it easy for 2 or 3 days. Wouldn't a 'real' doctor tell her to come back to get checked again? Just wondering.

not.another

04-22-2008, 08:41 PM

Link for where the children are going.....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24259582/

LLaFren

04-22-2008, 09:09 PM

OMG - :eek:

Katy, Walton, Grammy, they seriously took the bus remark and ran with it?:eek:

When will AZ and UT run with it?

Has anybody else been following the posts on this at SLT? Alot of the posters are ready to give TX back to Mexico (how do you post a link to another blog site? is it against the rules?)

LL

KatyDid

04-22-2008, 09:11 PM

cloe23

04-22-2008, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by KatyDid

I think she probably meant the on site clinic. I imagine they call it the hospital. She descibed the treatment she got as having her ribs wrapped with an ace bandage and told to take it easy for 2 or 3 days. Wouldn't a 'real' doctor tell her to come back to get checked again? Just wondering. [/*]

I broke two ribs many yrs ago. It was a car accident, seat belt crushed me, I'm rather small. I was taken to the hospital by EMT's, Xray's, wrapped and given pain pills. But not seen again. I was in sooooooo much pain I had to sleep in the couch. If I would sneeze or try and reach up my arms to hang laundry on the line persay... It would send this shooting pain and I had to stop what I was doing and regather myself. I remember I did call the doctor and tell them the pain pills were not working so they gave me stronger ones. It took along time for my ribs to heal.

This is my #1 problem with Sarah's story.
But...... Every man I know who has broken their ribs went right back to work without incident.
I was off work for 3 weeks with my ribs. I'm not a whimp by any means. Maybe it was the ribs that I broke that made the difference? Anyway my point here is 'if Sarah had broken ribs? wouldnt she of been in the kind of pain I was in? Or more like the guys I've compared my story with?'

Another thing with my broken ribs is I was unable to put the velcro belt on by myself, my husband had to help me.
Wouldnt Sarah have had more witnesses of her injury?
And Wouldnt Sarah received xrays? Did they have that kind of technology at the compound?:shrug:

LLaFren

04-22-2008, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by cloe23

I broke two ribs many yrs ago. It was a car accident, seat belt crushed me, I'm rather small. I was taken to the hospital by EMT's, Xray's, wrapped and given pain pills. But not seen again. I was in sooooooo much pain I had to sleep in the couch. If I would sneeze or try and reach up my arms to hang laundry on the line persay... It would send this shooting pain and I had to stop what I was doing and regather myself. I remember I did call the doctor and tell them the pain pills were not working so they gave me stronger ones. It took along time for my ribs to heal.

This is my #1 problem with Sarah's story.
But...... Every man I know who has broken their ribs went right back to work without incident.
I was off work for 3 weeks with my ribs. I'm not a whimp by any means. Maybe it was the ribs that I broke that made the difference? Anyway my point here is 'if Sarah had broken ribs? wouldnt she of been in the kind of pain I was in? Or more like the guys I've compared my story with?'

Another thing with my broken ribs is I was unable to put the velcro belt on by myself, my husband had to help me.
Wouldnt Sarah have had more witnesses of her injury?
And Wouldnt Sarah received xrays? Did they have that kind of technology at the compound?:shrug: [/*]

Maybe it depends on what ribs? I broke 3 in a snowmobile accident as a teenager, and mom wrapped them every morning and it didn't stop anything I did (cheerleader at the time).

I don't even remember taking anything for (finding phone to call mom and confirm)

LLaFren

04-22-2008, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by KatyDid

LOL~~they sure did LL!

Texas is the only state to do the right thing. UT & AZ tuck tail and run. [/*]

I tried to put in a picture of the Partridge family bus, but couldn't figure out how LOL.

My Cousin who lives outside of Dallas offered their home up (approved foster family), but was told since they do not belong to a church, they may not be able to help right now, but they weren't turned down either.

KatyDid

04-22-2008, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by LLaFren

I tried to put in a picture of the Partridge family bus, but couldn't figure out how LOL.

My Cousin who lives outside of Dallas offered their home up (approved foster family), but was told since they do not belong to a church, they may not be able to help right now, but they weren't turned down either. [/*]

You bring up something I was wondering, if the children are being placed in religeous based facilities? That kinda makes sense gven their background.

Thank goodness for people like your cousin who are willing to open their homes to children in need.

:rose:

LLaFren

04-22-2008, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by KatyDid

You bring up something I was wondering, if the children are being placed in religeous based facilities? That kinda makes sense gven their background.

Thank goodness for people like your cousin who are willing to open their homes to children in need.

:rose: [/*]

Dunno Katy, we were brought up in a church, well let us just say it was loud ok?

My DH was brought up French Catholic.

We list agnostic if we have to list something (cousin to).

My cousin and his wife are under the impression, that not being morman, knocks them out of the picture as foster parents, but how many mormans are stepping up to bat?

?????

cloe23

04-22-2008, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by LLaFren

Maybe it depends on what ribs? I broke 3 in a snowmobile accident as a teenager, and mom wrapped them every morning and it didn't stop anything I did (cheerleader at the time).

I don't even remember taking anything for (finding phone to call mom and confirm) [/*]

I agree, my broken ribs were actually dislocated. One moved over the top of the other and they are still that way today, Im sure as I was told that at the ER after the xray. Aslo they are number #1 and #2 on the top right side. So that is why I such a long recovery.
Thanks for comfirming what I have always wanted to believe.
I like to keep up with the guys ya know...
I also will continue to believe there is a Sarah and she will be found.. dead or alive.
:rose:

johnielee333

04-22-2008, 10:18 PM

johnielee333

04-22-2008, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by lotty

I had a feeling that there would be children there, that would have one or no parents on the compound. Wait and see I guess. Good for the Man from Nevada. [/*]

i bet alot of the children dont have their natural parents there.
their parents are probably over in one or more of the other sects in the other state's.

walton

04-22-2008, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by LLaFren
OMG - :eek:

Katy, Walton, Grammy, they seriously took the bus remark and ran with it?:eek:

When will AZ and UT run with it?

Has anybody else been following the posts on this at SLT? Alot of the posters are ready to give TX back to Mexico (how do you post a link to another blog site? is it against the rules?)

LL [/*]

I don't know how to blog. :( I've been reading Brooke for 4 years and there has been so many times that I've wanted to make a comment but I don't know how to blog.

I've posted over at the Trib Talk at the Salt Lake Tribune. I've met some nice folks over there. My nic over there is Cooper.

I don't think it is against the rules as I've seen it done scores of times.

http://www.tribtalk.com/

Miss Behavin

04-22-2008, 10:37 PM

johnielee333

04-22-2008, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by KatyDid

Their were 65 men on the Texas compound. Only a handful remain. The last report I heard was 10-12 men remain. My guess...the ones that remain have probably not married or had sexual relations with a minor. All the others are missing in action...running like scared rabbits into their holes. They leave their 'wives' to fight for their religious beliefs and the return of their children.

I bunch of cowards they are. They will not stand up for what they believe. They do not support their religion.

They know they are a bunch of pedophiles. They know what they do is illegal. It has nothing to do with religion or they would not be hiding, they would be teaching and educating the public on the righteousness of their religious beliefs.

What they didn't know was the cojones Texas has. Texas began immediately infiltrating the compound and collecting the information needed to take action.

Texas is not Utah or Arizona~they do not turn a blind eye. They do not believe religion gives a person or people the right to violate the laws of the land. [/*]

yes, you are so right.

walton

04-22-2008, 10:43 PM

johnielee333

04-22-2008, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by KatyDid

:eek: That is even more distrubing, IMO. He left his children three years ago. Um, okay, why? [/*]

probably because he didnt believe in what they were doing & if he left then they wouldnt let him take his kids.

johnielee333

04-22-2008, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by KatyDid

Now I am wondering...is his wife still his wife, or was she given to an older freak to bear his children.

barf I just have to. This is the biggest mess and the biggest abuse of human rights, not by LE, but by the FLDS. [/*]

yep

cloe23

04-22-2008, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by LLaFren

I tried to put in a picture of the Partridge family bus, but couldn't figure out how LOL.

My Cousin who lives outside of Dallas offered their home up (approved foster family), but was told since they do not belong to a church, they may not be able to help right now, but they weren't turned down either. [/*]

LOL, spose they sing and have the ability to 'get the beat'
Kool I love the Partridge family, well i used too:o

juliekan

04-22-2008, 11:52 PM

www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/22/subpoenas-to-help-see-whether-sects-100m-trust/
Subpoena to help see whether sects $100 M trust was drained to fund YFZ ranch

juliekan

04-22-2008, 11:59 PM

OK, I just looked, people are even posting on 4/21 site. Can we get this stuff down to just a few sites so I can follow it? I spent all day posting to virtually no one but thought the "workers" out there would appreciate an update at the end of the day. :flamemad: Oh sorry, you'll never see it you're on another site.

evalles

04-23-2008, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by juliekan
OK, I just looked, people are even posting on 4/21 site. Can we get this stuff down to just a few sites so I can follow it? I spent all day posting to virtually no one but thought the "workers" out there would appreciate an update at the end of the day. :flamemad: Oh sorry, you'll never see it you're on another site. [/*]

Sorry. I had to go where I could be even more ruthlessly attacked.

evalles

04-23-2008, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by johnielee333

yep [/*]

I'm sure the FLDS kids understand that it was in their best interests to give them to strangers

juliekan

04-23-2008, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by evalles

Sorry. I had to go where I could be even more ruthlessly attacked. [/*]
Oh honey, I'm so sorry :) but you know you ask for it:)

juliekan

04-23-2008, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by evalles

I'm sure the FLDS kids understand that it was in their best interests to give them to strangers [/*]

I actually had a moment today when I just really FELT what they must be feeling...the buses rolling away and they've never been anywhere. I actually felt the fear they must feel, and felt bad for them.
I'll be back shortly, son is begging for the computer.

johnielee333

04-23-2008, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by evalles

I'm sure the FLDS kids understand that it was in their best interests to give them to strangers [/*]

not now they dont but they will someday.
all kids who get taken away from the only people they've known & the only life they've known, go thru stuff at first & for alittle while. yes its sad for all kids but living in the kind of crap that alot of kids live thru before they are taken away is sad too.
we should love our kids & not abuse them.

cloe23

04-23-2008, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by juliekan

Oh honey, I'm so sorry :) but you know you ask for it:) [/*]

LOL Bless you! Man we need a blow kiss smile!:beer:

juliekan

04-23-2008, 12:47 AM

Sorry to disappoint you, but I really meant it :shrug:

Freebird

04-23-2008, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by juliekan

I actually had a moment today when I just really FELT what they must be feeling...the buses rolling away and they've never been anywhere. I actually felt the fear they must feel, and felt bad for them.
I'll be back shortly, son is begging for the computer. [/*]

What these 5-year-olds must be going thru.

juliekan

04-23-2008, 01:26 AM

The Abilene Reporter News is saying that the Hendricks Home for Children had 15 spaces available for mothers with children. Spokesman for them basically says no comment re: anyone from San Angelo being moved there.

lotty

04-23-2008, 01:39 AM

I honestly hope that one day, these children get to choose whether they will be victims or free. This whole thing will, ofcourse, be with them their entire lives. Every day they will hopefully be able to choose how their reactions to the world and people around them will be something better. They are young and beautiful. I hope one day they are able to exercise the right to choose what is best for them, as educated, knowing, and caring adults...I hope one day they have the right to choose anything they want.

juliekan

04-23-2008, 01:54 AM

I hope tomorrow is a better posting day...we're all over the place here, or either the number of posters are dwindling. Then again, I could get something done instead of this:tongue:

lotty

04-23-2008, 02:09 AM

Originally posted by juliekan
I hope tomorrow is a better posting day...we're all over the place here, or either the number of posters are dwindling. Then again, I could get something done instead of this:tongue: [/*]

It is definitely hard to keep up when it is everywhere, and there is always a great link or comment somewhere other than where I am. :punch:

juliekan

04-23-2008, 02:15 AM

I think I was spoiled on my last "long term" site, Mark Jensen trial. Everyone basically posted on the daily link...it was fast and furious, but we were all there together. :sniff: I really need to paint my kitchen and re-do my living room so I just need to get a life :biggrin:
Oh yeah, got tested for Lupus today, something else to look forward to!!!!

lotty

04-23-2008, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by juliekan
I think I was spoiled on my last "long term" site, Mark Jensen trial. Everyone basically posted on the daily link...it was fast and furious, but we were all there together. :sniff: I really need to paint my kitchen and re-do my living room so I just need to get a life :biggrin:
Oh yeah, got tested for Lupus today, something else to look forward to!!!! [/*]

I know what you mean. Ouch Lupus, hope all goes well.:rose:

juliekan

04-23-2008, 02:22 AM

:beer: Lotty

lotty

04-23-2008, 02:26 AM

Originally posted by juliekan
:beer: Lotty [/*]

I had to go to an event tonight...all 16 & 17 yo high school young men and women, being honored for academics, their futures ahead of them. So much excitement and energy, makes you feel young again. So, I check out the board when I get home...I guess I'm getting soft. :D

juliekan

04-23-2008, 02:31 AM

Originally posted by lotty

I had to go to an event tonight...all 16 & 17 yo high school young men and women, being honored for academics, their futures ahead of them. So much excitement and energy, makes you feel young again. So, I check out the board when I get home...I guess I'm getting soft. :D [/*]
What fun...my son is ranked 12th in his class and going to UT school of business in the fall. He had the highest GPA for his sport (swimming) for the last 3 years. Back on topic...isn't it sad that these FDLS kids will never know what it's like to live what we consider a "normal" life? They actually seem to be living the life my 82 yo mom lived, on a farm and working all the time, very strict parents, no wiggle room.

lotty

04-23-2008, 02:35 AM

Originally posted by juliekan

What fun...my son is ranked 12th in his class and going to UT school of business in the fall. He had the highest GPA for his sport (swimming) for the last 3 years. Back on topic...isn't it sad that these FDLS kids will never know what it's like to live what we consider a "normal" life? They actually seem to be living the life my 82 yo mom lived, on a farm and working all the time, very strict parents, no wiggle room. [/*]
ITA, I know that not all parts of living like that are "bad", but yeah I know what you are saying. It doesn't have to be so hard. A "normal life" can you imagine their faces. Like a little kid at Christmas maybe, or too much at once. I don't know, I just hope they have better.

lotty

04-23-2008, 02:38 AM

BTW Your son sounds like a great kid. Makes your heart feel like it will burst when you look at them doesn't it.:seeya:

Good night.

juliekan

04-23-2008, 02:41 AM

Just thinking about those kids on the buses today. One was supposed to go to my old stompin' grounds up by Abilene, another down to Houston, near my new stompin' grounds. I would opt for the Abilene area anyday for these kids...country people, religious people, people that really care about and take care of others. My big sis still lives in Abilene and she has the best friends and best group at church. I hope these kids get to question the fact that they were taught that everyone outside the compound is a "Satan."

juliekan

04-23-2008, 02:42 AM

Lotty :seeya: thanks for visiting

lotty

04-23-2008, 02:43 AM

Originally posted by juliekan
Just thinking about those kids on the buses today. One was supposed to go to my old stompin' grounds up by Abilene, another down to Houston, near my new stompin' grounds. I would opt for the Abilene area anyday for these kids...country people, religious people, people that really care about and take care of others. My big sis still lives in Abilene and she has the best friends and best group at church. I hope these kids get to question the fact that they were taught that everyone outside the compound is a "Satan." [/*]

I'm originally from around Lubbock, good people in Texas. There could be a lot of healing in this. JMO/IMO

lotty

04-23-2008, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by juliekan
Lotty :seeya: thanks for visiting [/*]

You too Julie. :seeya:

juliekan

04-23-2008, 02:47 AM

Originally posted by lotty

I'm originally from around Lubbock, good people in Texas. There could be a lot of healing in this. JMO/IMO [/*]
GO TO Bed!
Just had to ask if you're from Muleshoe...I bet you know where that is...had a friend from Muleshoe.:D

Carol25

04-23-2008, 03:44 AM

Originally posted by KatyDid

Found this Walton:

http://www.childbrides.org/texas_YFZ_Prophets_dream_of_Zion.html

"The group has even secured the services of a doctor, Lloyd Barlow, M.D., who once operated a clinic in Hildale, UT, but who recently received a license to practice medicine in Texas."

If he is the doc that treated Sarah, he has experience in the big cover up since he operated a clinic in Hilldale.

More about the doc:

http://www.azmd.gov/profile/profile.asp?LicenseType=MD&LicenseNum=31408 [/*]
From Dr. Barlow's Alma Mater...The University of Utah Medical School....

Yikes! Looked up that school. Found this on the website:

The policies and procedures of the University of Utah School of Medicine with regard to the identification of candidates with disabilities and the provision of reasonable accommodations are as follows. Although a candidate's self-identification as a person with a disability is voluntary, the School of Medicine can only accommodate diagnosed disabilities.
A. Definitions
For purposes of this policy, the definition of disability can be located in the Americans with Disabilities Act, with the exclusions as referenced in the Act. That definition is as follows, "an individual is disabled if he or she, 1) has a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more of the individual's major life activities; or 2) has a record of such an impairment; or 3) is regarded as having such an impairment."

http://medicine.utah.edu/learningresources/disability/policy.htm

"mental impairment that substantially limits one or more of the indivduals life activities"?????? Just what you want in YOUR doctor, huh?

You can get your degree online..:rolleyes: :eek:

juliekan

04-23-2008, 03:57 AM

Carol, does any of this apply to Dr. Barlow, does he have disabilities? And I don't think any doctor can get a degree online:shrug:

Thing1

04-23-2008, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by Freebird

What these 5-year-olds must be going thru. [/*]

It beats sexual and physical abuse.

Freebird

04-23-2008, 04:20 AM

Originally posted by Thing1

It beats sexual and physical abuse. [/*]

Actually most of them were not abused.But they're all probably scared to death now.

Thing1

04-23-2008, 05:11 AM

Originally posted by Freebird

Actually most of them were not abused.But they're all probably scared to death now. [/*]

I beg to differ. All of them were abused. Their fear will pass once they come to experience and expect safety.

Devotion

04-23-2008, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by juliekan

I was reading an article from 2005 from El Dorado

and they said that the kids call all the women "Mother"

and all the men "Uncle".

First thought was "They probably ARE your uncle!"(all of them)......
:no: [/*]

My first thought is: These leaders have had years and plenty of money for legal ideals to "word" their dirty deeds in a manor that will avoid detection...

Don't over look the pedophiles and sodomizes are
covering "a lot of bases and their a--es" using this "play on words".

The MEN are called UNCLE for a reason, legal and psychological.

Not using "father" or "grandfather" would keep the children from knowing/ testifying that the father and grandfather were the perpetrators.

IF a child is being abused, these children would say their UNCLE hurt/ molested then,
not his father or grandfather, as those words are not used in the cult....imo

I see these evil, sick men making the women care for and raise ALL the babies, for a reason.

Is it possible, the women do not know WHO their children are so they wouldn't object to the various abuses of the children, being they are raised like a heard of sheep?.......jmo....