FLDS church raid based on a hoax

[Tennessean]

According to information, on TV this morning, the call to authorties concerning a 16 year old being forced to marry a 58 year old, and being held captive, was a hoax prepertrated by a 30 something year old black woman that had no connection to the FLDS church at all.

IMHO, that information, if true, raises a lot of questions about the way the whole situation was handled, and puts the outcome in question.

[Ronettess]

local newspaper link

http://www.myeldorado.net/Pages/RANGERS.html

Don't they still have to explain all the pregnant teenagers?

[Poochie Pie]

Originally posted by Tennessean
According to information, on TV this morning, the call to authorties concerning a 16 year old being forced to marry a 58 year old, and being held captive, was a hoax prepertrated by a 30 something year old black woman that had no connection to the FLDS church at all.

IMHO, that information, if true, raises a lot of questions about the way the whole situation was handled, and puts the outcome in question. [/*] Hi Tennessean... The phone call may have very well been a Hoax.. However, from what I have read, LE has had an informant in the Compound for quite some time... It appears to me that perhaps the raid was based on a lot more info than just the phone calls.. IMO

Poochie

[BobbysGirl]

Originally posted by Poochie Pie
Hi Tennessean... The phone call may have very well been a Hoax.. However, from what I have read, LE has had an informant in the Compound for quite some time... It appears to me that perhaps the raid was based on a lot more info than just the phone calls.. IMO

Poochie [/*]

And I agree, IMO, sounds plausible to me.

Even in major drug raids it takes 2-3 or more years for the BiG BusT! So, much from our local LE in our Neighborhood watch. They follow these people around.

Now, all this DNA testing being done I heard on news. Don't have an immediate link handy. Will look.

BG

[Poochie Pie]

Originally posted by littlewheels


And about time! "Deranged", is about the only word that comes to my mind, and anyone who thinks that this behavior/culture is somehow justified or acceptable, is just as deranged. Also, IMO, pathetic! [/*] I agree littlewheels..!! I have no problem with ADULTS living their lives however they see fit... When innocent children are involved, it is a totally different story... I find it quite outrageous.. IMO

Poochie

[interested]

Originally posted by Poochie Pie
Hi Tennessean... The phone call may have very well been a Hoax.. However, from what I have read, LE has had an informant in the Compound for quite some time... It appears to me that perhaps the raid was based on a lot more info than just the phone calls.. IMO

Poochie [/*]

Yes, there was an informant who was a former member, not a current member. That's why they couldn't go in earlier. They need current information that a child is at risk now, before they can obtain a warrant.

However, the warrant was granted based on the calls, they had to take the calls seriously especially when they were persistent and to more than one agency.

It does not appear the warrant was obtained on knowingly false information, therefore it should be upheld. IMHO

Once inside the compound, they saw what appeared to be underage girls in varied stages of pregnancy. Faced with an obvious risk to not only those girls, but all of the children in the compound due to the inability to get straight and consistent answers to simple questions, the children had to be removed. I believe, the court will allow the current investigation to move forward. IMHO

It's sick and more wide spread than most would believe. I have a friend who lived on one of those compounds for a time. She married in, her husband was not a practicing polygamist, but her F-I-L was.

They shuttle people back and forth from those compounds knowing that the complications of getting cooperation between LE forces across state lines is very difficult and therefore shields them from prosecution.

Some of those children and even the women have never been off those compounds unless it was to travel to a different one & they're taught that just speaking to or standing to close to an outsider will cause them to be soiled by our sin.

[Poochie Pie]

Originally posted by interested


Yes, there was an informant who was a former member, not a current member. That's why they couldn't go in earlier. They need current information that a child is at risk now, before they can obtain a warrant.

However, the warrant was granted based on the calls, they had to take the calls seriously especially when they were persistent and to more than one agency.

It does not appear the warrant was obtained on knowingly false information, therefore it should be upheld. IMHO

Once inside the compound, they saw what appeared to be underage girls in varied stages of pregnancy. Faced with an obvious risk to not only those girls, but all of the children in the compound due to the inability to get straight and consistent answers to simple questions, the children had to be removed. I believe, the court will allow the current investigation to move forward. IMHO

It's sick and more wide spread than most would believe. I have a friend who lived on one of those compounds for a time. She married in, her husband was not a practicing polygamist, but her F-I-L was.

They shuttle people back and forth from those compounds knowing that the complications of getting cooperation between LE forces across state lines is very difficult and therefore shields them from prosecution.

Some of those children and even the women have never been off those compounds unless it was to travel to a different one & they're taught that just speaking to or standing to close to an outsider will cause them to be soiled by our sin. [/*] Thanks so much for all of the info, interested... It IS sick... I agree.. IMO

Poochie

[Carol25]

Originally posted by Tennessean
According to information, on TV this morning, the call to authorties concerning a 16 year old being forced to marry a 58 year old, and being held captive, was a hoax prepertrated by a 30 something year old black woman that had no connection to the FLDS church at all.

IMHO, that information, if true, raises a lot of questions about the way the whole situation was handled, and puts the outcome in question. [/*]
Are you sure it definitely has been deemed a hoax? Do you have a link? I don't think this has been proven yet.
Matter of fact, it was said on Banfield and Ford today that Sarah had been located. Possibly a leak?

[awareness]

I personally would like to see a link to either story (them finding Sarah or it being a hoax)... seems all Ive heard so far are reports. Even though they said they found Sarah on TV, there haven't been any further reports of that as far as Im aware of. Thanks if you have one, no problem if not.

IMO/JMO

[Details]

I've read a bunch of stories on this. The don't know if Sarah is a hoax or not - no proof, no admission. The two callers are fairly different in their accusations, modes, etc. Flora Jessup said she didn't know, but made one statement that implied she thought it was the hoax caller. The hoax caller is a person with a mental illness - this isn't her first hoax. CPS or LE - I forget which says that the cult children said they knew the Sarah who called. But - with it such a common name, that could all be misunderstanding.


So - still very up in the air.

[Rainkiss]

Don't know, at this point... however, CPS HAD to investigate a claim of child abuse. If you've got a kid, and one of your neighbors is mad at you and calls to say they saw you beating him in the front yard, they WILL come knock on your door and investigate. If they see bruises, they may very well take him, until it's explained he got 'em falling off his bike.

The police (very quickly) got a second warrant based on the evidence from the first raid, and used THAT to open this investigation, and to take birth records and suchlike.

I think, even if the original call was a hoax, things'll go on as they are.

[Ronettess]

Originally posted by Carol25

Are you sure it definitely has been deemed a hoax? Do you have a link? I don't think this has been proven yet.
Matter of fact, it was said on Banfield and Ford today that Sarah had been located. Possibly a leak? [/*]

The link to the Eldorado newspaper I posted above has an article stating info from the Texas Rangers. Don't see why there couldn't be both a "hoax" caller and a Sarah.

http://www.myeldorado.net/Pages/RANGERS.html


Link is for the Eldorado Success newspaper - they've been writing Hmmmmm articles ever since the land was purchased in 2004.

[KatyDid]

Originally posted by Ronettess


The link to the Eldorado newspaper I posted above has an article stating info from the Texas Rangers. Don't see why there couldn't be both a "hoax" caller and a Sarah.

http://www.myeldorado.net/Pages/RANGERS.html


Link is for the Eldorado Success newspaper - they've been writing Hmmmmm articles ever since the land was purchased in 2004. [/*]

I personally believe their are two seperate callers. The woman in Colorado made calls over a two week period to Flora Jessop, lasting over 40 hours. In these calls, she said she was in Colorado City, AZ. These occurred prior to the calls made to the local family shelter in San Angelo. Toward the end of these calls from to Jessop, Jessop began to doubt the caller and even told her she thought she was lying.

Two calls were made to the local shelter in San Angelo, Mar 29 and Mar 30. These calls are referenced in the affidavit/citation.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/04/09/yfz.affidavit.pdf

The calls referenced in the affidavit are very different than the calls made by the mentally distrubed woman in Colorado.

[Freebird]

May be why the Texas AG thinks "Sarah" is irrevelant.Why would he think a 16-year-old being sexually abused is irrevelant?

[walton]

Originally posted by Ronettess


The link to the Eldorado newspaper I posted above has an article stating info from the Texas Rangers. Don't see why there couldn't be both a "hoax" caller and a Sarah.

http://www.myeldorado.net/Pages/RANGERS.html


Link is for the Eldorado Success newspaper - they've been writing Hmmmmm articles ever since the land was purchased in 2004. [/*]

Holy crap! Could you imagine opening your door to local LE, Texas Rangers and the Canadian Mounty ?

I think first I'd be scared and then enjoy the site. :D


Wonder why the Canadian Mounty were involved?

[Rainkiss]

Originally posted by walton


Holy crap! Could you imagine opening your door to local LE, Texas Rangers and the Canadian Mounty ?

I think first I'd be scared and then enjoy the site. :D


Wonder why the Canadian Mounty were involved? [/*]

There are FLDS compounds in Canada, could be there were calls up that way, as well, that haven't been mentioned yet. That'd be my bet.

While I'm glad the abuse that may have been going on (I'm reasonably sure it has been, but nobody's been convicted, yet, so... :shrug: ) has been uncovered and is being investigated, I'm also glad that they're moving forward on the possibility that it was a false call. Either this woman is deluded and needs help, or she's committed a crime, which needs to be addressed.