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[decor]

has it occurred to anyone that maybe this secret life that CF found out about was so horrendous that she doesn't WANT him back?

for those that are divorced.
would you want to be associated with anything that your ex does? do you want people to think that what he/she does is what you do too just because you were married or do you want to be distanced from him/her so that no one thinks of you when they think of him/her.

maybe she needed to distance herself from what she found out.


you are all so BUSY trying to convict CF of something, anything, because you are so sure she must be guilty of something.


you have no proof of anything yet you convicted her over and over. I can't even imagine most of you sitting on a jury. judging a person simply about whether you like them or not or if you think they act in an acceptable way to you.

[inv]

This case has me going back and forth so much that it's hard to tell if I am coming or going.

Now I am back to the foul play. Here is a possible scenario (and I know I am going to be stoned for saying this, but it is just one of many theories posted here).

This is all opinion-based.

1. Nicholas resigned from Mars Hill on February 11th.

2. Possible reason could be: he found another church more suitable to his beliefs, he discovered something within the church that he strongly opposed (a secret if you will), he discovered his wife was interested in or was having an affair with a member of the church.

3. Christine disagreed with NF's decision to walk from the church.

4. A member or members of the church were worried about what Nick discovered.

5. A plan was devised among the church member/s and/or Nick's wife to eliminate NF. (planning took place on the 12th)

6. Nick received a call from his wife asking him to stop and pick up some sugar on his way home.

7. Nick gets cash from the atm and puts fuel in his car at the Shell station.

8. He heads to wherever to pick up the sugar.

9. Upon arriving at the store, he is met by the perp and forced at gunpoin to drive to an unknown location.

10. He is murdered and disposed of possibly near Heritage Condos or Panther Lake.

This is all hypothetical and is only one more scenario. There is no evidence (to the best of my knowledge) that this is what happened.

[Jazmine203]

Honestly that is hard to say for sure but depending on what the secret was would have alot to do with it. I could deal with just about anything I think except an affair.. I would have a pretty hard time with that. Luckily I had a faithful husband,( I hope ;) ) Sorry had to throw that in..

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Musterion


On 3/18 Mikesta said this is why: "The little ones would probably think their daddy is home."

Reason enough, IMO. [/*]

If selling the car can help with medical bills.. buying groceries.. things for the new baby.. etc.. then I don't see what the big deal is. Nobody is there to drive it and it is nothing like Laci Peterson's car being sold AT ALL. Scott and his family had LOTS of money at their disposal.. Christine does not.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by decor
has it occurred to anyone that maybe this secret life that CF found out about was so horrendous that she doesn't WANT him back?

for those that are divorced.
would you want to be associated with anything that your ex does? do you want people to think that what he/she does is what you do too just because you were married or do you want to be distanced from him/her so that no one thinks of you when they think of him/her.

maybe she needed to distance herself from what she found out.


you are all so BUSY trying to convict CF of something, anything, because you are so sure she must be guilty of something.


you have no proof of anything yet you convicted her over and over. I can't even imagine most of you sitting on a jury. judging a person simply about whether you like them or not or if you think they act in an acceptable way to you. [/*]

This is what I think EXACTLY decor... THANK YOU!

[n/t]

Originally posted by decor
has it occurred to anyone that maybe this secret life that CF found out about was so horrendous that she doesn't WANT him back?

for those that are divorced.
would you want to be associated with anything that your ex does? do you want people to think that what he/she does is what you do too just because you were married or do you want to be distanced from him/her so that no one thinks of you when they think of him/her.

maybe she needed to distance herself from what she found out.


you are all so BUSY trying to convict CF of something, anything, because you are so sure she must be guilty of something.


you have no proof of anything yet you convicted her over and over. I can't even imagine most of you sitting on a jury. judging a person simply about whether you like them or not or if you think they act in an acceptable way to you. [/*]

That's fine. If she doesn't want him back like you say and she needs to distance herself from what she found out, why is she still saying she searching and why is he still listed as missing?

[Wrenn]

Can anyone think of a secret that your spouse could have that isn't something illegal, that would be so devastating to you and your children if discovered that you wouldn't want that person in your childrens lives? I can't.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by n/t


That's fine. If she doesn't want him back like you say and she needs to distance herself from what she found out, why is she still saying she searching and why is he still listed as missing? [/*]

I am sure she still wants to know if he is dead or alive. The police dont know one way or the other about what happened.

Hey.. n/t.. just wanted to say.. I have teenaged boys that play Halo.. they have all 3 of them and yes you can do games that would last a few minutes. You can play the game where you go through the game level by level.. or you can play with a friend either against the aliens or against each other and you can pick the amount of kills the game will be. Like.. the first person to 5 wins or 10, 20 or 50, if you want. You can also play online with other players (not sure that they had this) where the same kind of things apply.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


If selling the car can help with medical bills.. buying groceries.. things for the new baby.. etc.. then I don't see what the big deal is. Nobody is there to drive it and it is nothing like Laci Peterson's car being sold AT ALL. Scott and his family had LOTS of money at their disposal.. Christine does not. [/*]

What I don't understand is WHY.....

WHY move out of the marital home?

WHY file for a divorce?

WHY sell NF's car?

WHY list herself as divorced when she is not divorced yet?

WHY list herself as a single mother?

He is listed as missing - NOT DEAD!

What if he returns? Then what?

I don't get it! I have tried throughout the beginning to remain fair and open-minded and take everything into account - even the less flattering scenarios. This is getting ridiculous!!!!!

[n/t]

Originally posted by Musterion


On 3/18 Mikesta said this is why: "The little ones would probably think their daddy is home."

Reason enough, IMO. [/*]

I would think a "normal" spouse of a missing loved one would want that car back and hold onto hope.

But not Christine. She got rid of everything that belonged to Nicholas. Moved out of the home, wants to sell his car (maybe sold already), removed all his photos, and filing for divorce etc etc etc.

Good Lord. Why does she still say she's searching for him?

Yeah bizarre and very suspicious behaviour.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Wrenn
Can anyone think of a secret that your spouse could have that isn't something illegal, that would be so devastating to you and your children if discovered that you wouldn't want that person in your childrens lives? I can't. [/*]

If I found out that my spouse had a mistress.. another wife.. children on the side.

If I found out he was paying for sex with prostitutes.

Or if I found out my husband was on the "down low".. which seems to be happening SO MUCH anymore. If you don't believe me check out craigslist m4m section.. lots of married men looking for discreet hookups.

Gambling.. hiding money.. most other things I things.. I couldn't see not trying to work things out.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by n/t


That's fine. If she doesn't want him back like you say and she needs to distance herself from what she found out, why is she still saying she searching and why is he still listed as missing? [/*]

The two things are not incompatible, IMO.

She may not want him back. She may want to distance herself from him.

He still needs to be found, dead or alive. Dead, because he deserves a burial and their children need to know. If alive, because he needs to financially take care of his children and they have a right to that. She has an obligation, whether she dislikes him or not, to find him dead or alive, for their kids' sakes.

Even if the secret life or secrets would motivate her for sole custody of their children...even if those things were things that would make the children unsafe for him to be around ( I am NOT saying this is the case!!!!! Just answering the post), if he is alive, he is financially responsible for them. Again, IMO, she is obligated to, despite her feelings, to give her children that financial relief and support...and understanding of where Nicholas is.

Just answering the question. IMO.

[nanabillie]

I have a friend who was sure her hubby was having an affair. She haired PI, attorney, got phone records. When she saw the phone records she recognized the number as the number for a couple that they were friends with. So, to catch him herself, she told him that she and the kids were going out of town with some of her family. Except she didn't go. She borrowed a friends wig and car. Whe she was driving by her house, she saw her DH kissing the GUY of the other couple! She imediately kicked him out and had an aids test done. Everyone in town was so shocked! NO ONE had a clue.hammer

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


What I don't understand is WHY.....

WHY move out of the marital home?

WHY file for a divorce?

WHY sell NF's car?

WHY list herself as divorced when she is not divorced yet?

WHY list herself as a single mother?

He is listed as missing - NOT DEAD!

What if he returns? Then what?

I don't get it! I have tried throughout the beginning to remain fair and open-minded and take everything into account - even the less flattering scenarios. This is getting ridiculous!!!!! [/*]Maybe she knows what the "secrets" are and knows that the marriage is over if he is still alive. :shrug:

That would fit with everything that she is doing and wouldn't be out of the ordinary if it weren't for the fact that he is listed as missing.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by Wrenn
Can anyone think of a secret that your spouse could have that isn't something illegal, that would be so devastating to you and your children if discovered that you wouldn't want that person in your childrens lives? I can't. [/*]

Yes.

[n/t]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I am sure she still wants to know if he is dead or alive. The police dont know one way or the other about what happened.

Hey.. n/t.. just wanted to say.. I have teenaged boys that play Halo.. they have all 3 of them and yes you can do games that would last a few minutes. You can play the game where you go through the game level by level.. or you can play with a friend either against the aliens or against each other and you can pick the amount of kills the game will be. Like.. the first person to 5 wins or 10, 20 or 50, if you want. You can also play online with other players (not sure that they had this) where the same kind of things apply. [/*]

She sounds like she really doesn't care, imo. She's decided to divorce him even when he's still missing so why would that make a difference to her? She listed herself on a social blog as a single mom already.

I'm not buying her story. There is more to it than meets the eye, imo.

Thanks for the Halo information but not sure why you're posting that info.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by n/t


She sounds like she really doesn't care, imo. She's decided to divorce him even when he's still missing so why would that make a difference to her? She listed herself on a social blog as a single mom already.

I'm not buying her story. There is more to it than meets the eye, imo.

Thanks for the Halo information but not sure why you're posting that info. [/*]

It seems to be the topic of the day.. just wanted to say.. he could play a quick game with a buddy.. nothing out of the ordinary about that.

[n/t]

Originally posted by nanabillie
I have a friend who was sure her hubby was having an affair. She haired PI, attorney, got phone records. When she saw the phone records she recognized the number as the number for a couple that they were friends with. So, to catch him herself, she told him that she and the kids were going out of town with some of her family. Except she didn't go. She borrowed a friends wig and car. Whe she was driving by her house, she saw her DH kissing the GUY of the other couple! She imediately kicked him out and had an aids test done. Everyone in town was so shocked! NO ONE had a clue.hammer [/*]

ummm ok but your friends story doesn't sound like what's happening with this case.

Nicholas is missing. Was your friend's husband mising?

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by decor
has it occurred to anyone that maybe this secret life that CF found out about was so horrendous that she doesn't WANT him back?

for those that are divorced.
would you want to be associated with anything that your ex does? do you want people to think that what he/she does is what you do too just because you were married or do you want to be distanced from him/her so that no one thinks of you when they think of him/her.

maybe she needed to distance herself from what she found out.


you are all so BUSY trying to convict CF of something, anything, because you are so sure she must be guilty of something.


you have no proof of anything yet you convicted her over and over. I can't even imagine most of you sitting on a jury. judging a person simply about whether you like them or not or if you think they act in an acceptable way to you. [/*]

I don't disagree with most of what you wrote except your last paragraph. No one has "convicted" Christine of anything...nor can we. I am so tired of posters using this old refrain that doesn't hold water.

Discussing Christine does not convict her anymore than discussing what "secret" NF might have convicts him

Sheesh!

[n/t]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


It seems to be the topic of the day.. just wanted to say.. he could play a quick game with a buddy.. nothing out of the ordinary about that. [/*]

I see. :hat:

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


This case has always been different for some reason. [/*]

Peterson is a male Christine is a female
Peterson makes enough to keep himself Christine doesn't have a job
Peterson wasn't pregnant Christine is pregnant
Peterson didn't lose much Christine lost her house and her way of life
Peterson a police officer Christine a SAHM
Sister reported Stacy missing Christine reported Nicholas
Peterson claimed Stacy left on her own Christine claimed Nicholas would never leave.

Is is much rare for women to kill their husband then it is for husbands to kill their wives

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by decor
has it occurred to anyone that maybe this secret life that CF found out about was so horrendous that she doesn't WANT him back?

for those that are divorced.
would you want to be associated with anything that your ex does? do you want people to think that what he/she does is what you do too just because you were married or do you want to be distanced from him/her so that no one thinks of you when they think of him/her.

maybe she needed to distance herself from what she found out.


you are all so BUSY trying to convict CF of something, anything, because you are so sure she must be guilty of something.


you have no proof of anything yet you convicted her over and over. I can't even imagine most of you sitting on a jury. judging a person simply about whether you like them or not or if you think they act in an acceptable way to you. [/*]

Good post and so true everyone wants to forget that she did find out the secret and that it devastated her and took everything away from her and her children. Woman can want to be rid of someone who hurt them that bad and fast.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by JustFacts


There is no comparison between this case and the Sommer murder. A better comparison is to missing person Laci Peterson.

This case so far lacks a crime. In the absence of a crime, of course LE won't publicly say they think the wife was involved but I think the wife remains very much on LE radar. Some of the most damaging and self-incriminating comments CF has made so far have been that he's dead and near water.

I think LE is waiting for his body to surface.....as Laci did.

jmo [/*]

When you state that Christine has said something incriminating and damaging I believe you need to state why you think this, and give evidence to back it up. Your statement comes across as fact, even though you put jmo at the end of it.

Have you watched the interview where she stated that she thought Nicholas might be near the water? I've followed most of the conversations on this board and some on other boards online and I've seen no facts and have no basis for believing that what she said is damaging or incriminating. Was there somewhere else she said this that I missed? If so I'd be surprised, unless it is very recent.

Facts are facts, how do you think her statement is incriminating?? Do you have facts or other evidence that her saying Nicholas was dead and near the water was to lead authorities to a particular area to find his body? From what I've heard Seattle has lots of water around it. As far as I can remember from what she said and the context of it, making a general statement like she did wouldn't lead anyone anywhere.

IMO I'm not accusing you Justfacts or anyone specifically of this, but sometimes I get the very scary feeling there are people who want to see this woman crucified, period, guilt or innocence has no part in it. Scary.


JMO IMO

:(

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by n/t


That's fine. If she doesn't want him back like you say and she needs to distance herself from what she found out, why is she still saying she searching and why is he still listed as missing? [/*]

She could be searching so he can be responsible for his children or so he can be buried.

He is still miss because he maybe in hiding and no one has found him yet. Just a car clean of evidence of foul play.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Wrenn
Can anyone think of a secret that your spouse could have that isn't something illegal, that would be so devastating to you and your children if discovered that you wouldn't want that person in your childrens lives? I can't. [/*]

Divorce doesn't mean not wanting him in her kids life and adultery or multiple adultery while still getting her pregnant would cause many a woman to divorce.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


She could be searching so he can be responsible for his children or so he can be buried.

He is still miss because he maybe in hiding and no one has found him yet. Just a car clean of evidence of foul play. [/*]

YES.. if he is alive he owes some support to his children and he owes them and his wife an explanation.. and if he is no longer alive.. then he needs to have a proper burial.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Peterson is a male Christine is a female
Peterson makes enough to keep himself Christine doesn't have a job
Peterson wasn't pregnant Christine is pregnant
Peterson didn't lose much Christine lost her house and her way of life
Peterson a police officer Christine a SAHM
Sister reported Stacy missing Christine reported Nicholas
Peterson claimed Stacy left on her own Christine claimed Nicholas would never leave.

Is is much rare for women to kill their husband then it is for husbands to kill their wives [/*]

Christine is an entrepreneur with two businesses. Her website says so.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by n/t

Not sure if this was posted already but a poster by the name of Mikesta was going to acquire the car and sell it. (Post 3146050). March 18th.- He is apparently a friend of the family. The same guy who set up the missing poster flyer. The one with the toast in toaster one.

Anyway, here's the link.

http://forum.ih8mud.com/chit-chat-section/205497-friend-mia-2-kids-1-way-vanished-5-print.html?pp=50

Again, very suspicious for the rush to sell his car. It doesn't make any sense. This was only a month after he disappeared. [/*]

I don't know, I hoped from the moment that car was found, that it would be sold *immediately* after forensics was through with it. It makes perfect sense to me.

Cool link n/t, thanks for sharing it.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by n/t


She sounds like she really doesn't care, imo. She's decided to divorce him even when he's still missing so why would that make a difference to her? She listed herself on a social blog as a single mom already.

I'm not buying her story. There is more to it than meets the eye, imo.

Thanks for the Halo information but not sure why you're posting that info. [/*]

n/t,

I agree with you that there is more to this case than meets the eye. We don't have all of the facts that LE and possibly Christine have. That might make a difference in how some of us see the whole situation. JMO.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Your pain and grief are palpable - I think this is what is missing from Christine's words - this raw grief. [/*]

Sometimes the grief comes much, much later, after all facts are known and all questions have been answered.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by field of snow


Christine is an entrepreneur with two businesses. Her website says so. [/*]

Has anyone figured out how much she makes and if she can support herself on it?

Few etsy people make enough to raise 3 kids on. A police officer with a big pension would have no problem at all.

[decor]

Originally posted by Wrenn
Can anyone think of a secret that your spouse could have that isn't something illegal, that would be so devastating to you and your children if discovered that you wouldn't want that person in your childrens lives? I can't. [/*]

yeah I can, I lived it. maybe if you haven't had to go thru anything you can't relate.

[decor]

Originally posted by n/t


That's fine. If she doesn't want him back like you say and she needs to distance herself from what she found out, why is she still saying she searching and why is he still listed as missing? [/*]

maybe she feels an obligation to him because they were married when disappeared. maybe because it is her children's father and she still wants them to maintain a relationship.

maybe because she is a Christian.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by field of snow


Christine is an entrepreneur with two businesses. Her website says so. [/*]

What is this comment supposed to mean?

IMO

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by K Anne


Sometimes the grief comes much, much later, after all facts are known and all questions have been answered. [/*]

So true. I'm the type who never cries in public and end up all business in an emergency. When I hear talk of how people aren't grieving because of how they act it really bothers me.

Everyone handles things very differently.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by field of snow


Christine is an entrepreneur with two businesses. Her website says so. [/*]

Hi field,

In context of her statements about her businesses she has said that they were not enough to take care of her and her kids. I'll look for the link but I think it was on the franciscos site. JMO.

Musterion

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


When you state that Christine has said something incriminating and damaging I believe you need to state why you think this, and give evidence to back it up. Your statement comes across as fact, even though you put jmo at the end of it.

Have you watched the interview where she stated that she thought Nicholas might be near the water? I've followed most of the conversations on this board and some on other boards online and I've seen no facts and have no basis for believing that what she said is damaging or incriminating. Was there somewhere else she said this that I missed? If so I'd be surprised, unless it is very recent.

Facts are facts, how do you think her statement is incriminating?? Do you have facts or other evidence that her saying Nicholas was dead and near the water was to lead authorities to a particular area to find his body? From what I've heard Seattle has lots of water around it. As far as I can remember from what she said and the context of it, making a general statement like she did wouldn't lead anyone anywhere.

IMO I'm not accusing you Justfacts or anyone specifically of this, but sometimes I get the very scary feeling there are people who want to see this woman crucified, period, guilt or innocence has no part in it. Scary.


JMO IMO

:( [/*]

Good heavens, I expressed my opinion about comments I watched and heard for myself. If any opinion expressed here is "scary" to you, maybe you need some fresh air...

JMO

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi field,

In context of her statements about her businesses she has said that they were not enough to take care of her and her kids. I'll look for the link but I think it was on the franciscos site. JMO.

Musterion [/*]


Thank you, you said what I had been thinking. The statement didn't seem relevant to what was said. :)

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Good heavens, I expressed my opinion about comments I watched and heard for myself. If any opinion expressed here is "scary" to you, maybe you need some fresh air...

JMO [/*]

You didn't answer my question Justfacts. I'm interested in knowing your theories about Christine saying incriminating and damaging things about Nicholas being dead and in the water. I'm really interested in why you think that.

Thanks. :)

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I am sorry for your loss Jazmine!

I just wonder how you would be feeling now to find out that your husband had a secret life that you knew nothing about? Do you think that would change how you grieve? [/*]

IMO, we each draw the ‘For Better or For Worse’ line in the sand at different places. Apparently CF’s line was crossed or someone convinced CF the legal and financial hurdles could only be cleared through a formal divorce proceeding and/or we are merely observing CF’s hurt or angry message. How CF’s religion and the concepts of grief and forgiveness enter that equation are yet other unknown factors, IMO.

During divorce proceedings will Washington authorities address both the dissolution of the marriage and child custody qualifications? Generally IMO, our society assumes parents that bring children into the world (the nature way) possess all the qualifications to met or exceed the child’s best interests. However, IMO an adoption requires more proof of capability. Will a divorce in State of Washington bring the Parenting Act of 1987 into the picture? Will authorities require a parenting plan and proof of the maturity and stability of the remaining single parent to care for the children or automatically grant parental rights to the only remaining parent present until evidence or proof otherwise surfaces?
jmo

http://www.wsba.org/media/publications/pamphlets/parenting.htm

[field of snow]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


What is this comment supposed to mean?

IMO [/*]

Miss Zen Harmony,

What does IMO mean? Wait I know what it means..I just don't understand what it means in context to your question: "What is this comment supposed to mean? In My Opinion."

That doesn't make sense? Coldwater actually has a statement on this somewhere on the board about how it's annoying and useless to keep IMOing with every post. You may want to check that out.

But I digress. I was just correcting Silver_Dove's list where it lists that she doesn't have a job and is simply a SAHM. Her website doesn't state she doesn't have a job or is a SAHM, so that is not a fact is it? It says she is an entrepreneur.

I believe she *could* earn enough to support herself and her 2 kids (I have yet to see evidence of a third). But I think it is possible (IMO) that she needs lessons in how to manage quality (of her products) and the money earned for that.

I've been a WAHM (work at home mom) for the most part since the beginning. For ten years I ran my own business that could have supported me and my three kids if it came down to that. I continue today with my handmade goods business and again, it could support us if I keep at it. I know MANY successful WAHMs who also contribute.

I'm glad to see she is taking this serious by calling herself an entrepreneur now.

[n/t]

Originally posted by decor


maybe she feels an obligation to him because they were married when disappeared. maybe because it is her children's father and she still wants them to maintain a relationship.

maybe because she is a Christian. [/*]

You gotta be kidding me. :lol:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by n/t



Not sure if this was posted already but a poster by the name of Mikesta was going to acquire the car and sell it. (Post 3146050). March 18th.- He is apparently a friend of the family. The same guy who set up the missing poster flyer. The one with the toast in toaster one.

Anyway, here's the link.

http://forum.ih8mud.com/chit-chat-section/205497-friend-mia-2-kids-1-way-vanished-5-print.html?pp=50


Again, very suspicious for the rush to sell his car. It doesn't make any sense. This was only a month after he disappeared. [/*]

Thanks for sharing the link. :seeya:

[Musterion]

Originally posted by n/t


You gotta be kidding me. :lol: [/*]

n/t,

Which part are you laughing at? I don't understand?

[K Anne]

Originally posted by n/t


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Originally posted by decor


maybe she feels an obligation to him because they were married when disappeared. maybe because it is her children's father and she still wants them to maintain a relationship.

maybe because she is a Christian. [/*]
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You gotta be kidding me. :lol: [/*]

I see nothing laughable in decor's post and yours is in really poor form.

WebSleuths has interesting new link today...

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Tell me how a 5 ft tall woman.. over powers her husband who is much bigger than her and kills him without leaving any evidence behind.. gets his body into a vehicle with nobody seeing.. hides his body so well that it still has not been found.. all with nobody seeing anything... takes his car (and how did she get home?) 30 minutes away to an apt. complex she has never been to or knows anything about, without anyone seeing her.. and all of this with her 2 young children in tow.. and while talking to people on the phone throughout the night? [/*]

Regarding the talking to people on the phone throughtout the night, is that an assumption or do we have proof? TIA

[n/t]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


Thanks for sharing the link. :seeya: [/*]

YW :seeya:

BTW....no notices in the papers yet about a divorce. ;)

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by field of snow


Miss Zen Harmony,

What does IMO mean? Wait I know what it means..I just don't understand what it means in context to your question: "What is this comment supposed to mean? In My Opinion."

That doesn't make sense? Coldwater actually has a statement on this somewhere on the board about how it's annoying and useless to keep IMOing with every post. You may want to check that out.

But I digress. I was just correcting Silver_Dove's list where it lists that she doesn't have a job and is simply a SAHM. Her website doesn't state she doesn't have a job or is a SAHM, so that is not a fact is it? It says she is an entrepreneur.

I believe she *could* earn enough to support herself and her 2 kids (I have yet to see evidence of a third). But I think it is possible (IMO) that she needs lessons in how to manage quality (of her products) and the money earned for that.

I've been a WAHM (work at home mom) for the most part since the beginning. For ten years I ran my own business that could have supported me and my three kids if it came down to that. I continue today with my handmade goods business and again, it could support us if I keep at it. I know MANY successful WAHMs who also contribute.

I'm glad to see she is taking this serious by calling herself an entrepreneur now. [/*]


About the IMO, not that I have to defend myself :), but I had actually written a longer post, explaining to you that as far as I know Christine didn't make much money at Etsy, then decided to just put the question out there.

I only asked the question because I thought that you possibly thought that she made a lot of money at her job. Thank you for explaining that's not what you think.

I do hope Christine does find a good and productive way to support herself soon. Someone mentioned a book deal on another board, all this would probably make a good book someday.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


IMO, we each draw the ‘For Better or For Worse’ line in the sand at different places. Apparently CF’s line was crossed or someone convinced CF the legal and financial hurdles could only be cleared through a formal divorce proceeding and/or we are merely observing CF’s hurt or angry message. How CF’s religion and the concepts of grief and forgiveness enter that equation are yet other unknown factors, IMO.

During divorce proceedings will Washington authorities address both the dissolution of the marriage and child custody qualifications? Generally IMO, our society assumes parents that bring children into the world (the nature way) possess all the qualifications to met or exceed the child’s best interests. However, IMO an adoption requires more proof of capability. Will a divorce in State of Washington bring the Parenting Act of 1987 into the picture? Will authorities require a parenting plan and proof of the maturity and stability of the remaining single parent to care for the children or automatically grant parental rights to the only remaining parent present until evidence or proof otherwise surfaces?
jmo

http://www.wsba.org/media/publications/pamphlets/parenting.htm [/*]
Everyone with children fills out a Parenting plan. It says when visitation is, who is responsible for what, how holidays are dealt with, who pays what, etc. In her case if he doesn't show she will write it the way her and her lawyer want and the magistrate will ok it as long as the children will be taken care of. It would be very unlikely for the magistrate to change it unless there was a disagreement between Christine and Nicholas.

[n/t]

Originally posted by K Anne


I see nothing laughable in decor's post and yours is in really poor form.

WebSleuths has interesting new link today... [/*]

Christians don't divorce missing husbands. I don't think any moral human being would divorce a missing spouse. Period.

You don't have to read my posts, you can just skip over them. :rolleyes:

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Sure, lets start with a huge gambling debt. Not illegal to gamble online, or stash away thousands of dollars either. Neither is illegal but both would piss me off. But, I would be trying to find my spouse, that I loved.
CT [/*]

But would it devastate you and take everything away? What if he also walked away leaving you holding the bag? Would that be enough?

Online gambling wouldn't get you killed so in the case of a huge gambling debt we could assume he walked out.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


You didn't answer my question Justfacts. I'm interested in knowing your theories about Christine saying incriminating and damaging things about Nicholas being dead and in the water. I'm really interested in why you think that.

Thanks. :) [/*]

Theory? One is statements made reflecting consciousness of guilt, i.e., she knows he's dead and near water because she was involved. Her goal has shifted to finances and finding him so she can get SS benefits, life insurance, etc.

JMO

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by n/t


Christians don't divorce missing husbands. I don't think any moral human being would divorce a missing spouse. Period.

You don't have to read my posts, you can just skip over them. :rolleyes: [/*]

Adultery

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by Wrenn
Can anyone think of a secret that your spouse could have that isn't something illegal, that would be so devastating to you and your children if discovered that you wouldn't want that person in your childrens lives? I can't. [/*]

Just addressing the alleged secret-from-CF activites quoted to be 'devastating to Christine and the children'. Did HOH actually say this or have other statements morphed into this? Do you have a link? I recall Nicholas' disappearance affecting both CF and the children but NOT the alleged secret activites. Which leads me to wonder what kinds of activities would actually devastate a 2yr old and a 4yr old (if said). IMO the tone of voice may be the only factor affecting the youngsters rather than the type of activity, IYKWIM. For example only - if someone said Nicholas has taken up flying kites in a loud and derogatory voice, ZF and NF might think Daddy did something really bad.
jmo

[n/t]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
nt is never in "poor form" believe me, stick to the issues at hand, this marriage, this case, Nicks home life, his outside life, her life, and the investigation. When you start to pic apart ppls posts, your reasoning for being here, appears suspcisious in itself....

This is about Finding Out What Happened To Nick on Feb 13th.

Easily yes, his spouse could have caused him harm, firearms are the great equalizer....in any situation. And flight or fight in others

CT [/*]

Thank you, CT

Some just can't handle the truth. :patriot:

[n/t]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Adultery [/*]

NO PROOF!hammer

[K Anne]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


Just addressing the alleged secret-from-CF activites quoted to be 'devastating to Christine and the children'. Did HOH actually say this or have other statements morphed into this? Do you have a link? I recall Nicholas' disappearance affecting both CF and the children but NOT the alleged secret activites. Which leads me to wonder what kinds of activities would actually devastate a 2yr old and a 4yr old (if said). IMO the tone of voice may be the only factor affecting the youngsters rather than the type of activity, IYKWIM. For example only - if someone said Nicholas has taken up flying kites in a loud and derogatory voice, ZF and NF might think Daddy did something really bad.
jmo [/*]

Maybe he has other kids.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Lets say for the past few years they pretty much lived pay check to pay check, then yes, he would be my source of income. And health insurance. But, I sure wouldnt be moving out of the home I shared with him; I'd be looking for him, I'd be camped out on LE steps to find him. No evidence of foul play? By all accounts, there was nothing wrong. Just some finances. But, if they had struggled with money and he had tons of it stashed away in a private account? That would really burn me.

I need to know if she had a Life Insurance Policy on him and the amt. I really do need to know this.....and if she has made any attempt to call or inquire about it.

Cat [/*]

I bet he did have some sort of job-provided life insurance benefit. No way could she collect without a death certificate.

What if their financial shortages were due to the fact Nicholas had another family? Another woman and child(ren) he loved. Finding out such information certainly would trigger feelings of betrayal and anger, wouldn't it?

[K Anne]

Originally posted by n/t


Thank you, CT

Some just can't handle the truth. :patriot: [/*]

You gotta be kidding me. :lol:

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
JF; yes and that's what has always really made my skin crawl. It wasnt just an odd statement, it was bizarre and unfettered info, it was just blurted out. Not I had a dream he was in water...so he is. I have a "feeling" he is in or near water....Yeah, maybe coz she put him there. Highly likely to me, since she had the time to do this. :shrug: I cant ignore that, that would be really poor investigating skills if I did.
I think LE may have a bit of tunnel vision on Nicks case. At this point.

Cat [/*]

I don't believe LE has any tunnel vision on Nick's case. At this point there is no crime. They can't do anything until he quite literally surfaces so they're just sitting back and watching as they did with S. Peterson.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by n/t


Christians don't divorce missing husbands. I don't think any moral human being would divorce a missing spouse. Period.

You don't have to read my posts, you can just skip over them. :rolleyes: [/*]

Adultery, criminal activity, child molestation, pressing financial problems (don't have anything to back this up JMO), best for the children.

It's also moral to divorce someone who has hurt you, even if they are missing, but that is just my opinion.

JMO IMO

[Wrenn]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


Just addressing the alleged secret-from-CF activites quoted to be 'devastating to Christine and the children'. Did HOH actually say this or have other statements morphed into this? Do you have a link? I recall Nicholas' disappearance affecting both CF and the children but NOT the alleged secret activites. Which leads me to wonder what kinds of activities would actually devastate a 2yr old and a 4yr old (if said). IMO the tone of voice may be the only factor affecting the youngsters rather than the type of activity, IYKWIM. For example only - if someone said Nicholas has taken up flying kites in a loud and derogatory voice, ZF and NF might think Daddy did something really bad.
jmo [/*]

You are right. It's "shattered" not "devastate." My apologies.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2562&page=12

A 'paper trail' has been uncovered that goes back a few years. This side of Nicholas was totally hidden from his family. It has shattered her life and taken everything from her and the kids.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Theory? One is statements made reflecting consciousness of guilt, i.e., she knows he's dead and near water because she was involved. Her goal has shifted to finances and finding him so she can get SS benefits, life insurance, etc.

JMO [/*]

I don't see evidence here though. I don't see ideas to back up your opinions. Where are the explanations of why you feel this way, they are not there. Without evidence to back up your ideas, it is just opinion. How can anyone get anywhere to understanding based on opinions?

JMO

[n/t]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


Adultery, criminal activity, child molestation, pressing financial problems (don't have anything to back this up JMO), best for the children.

It's also moral to divorce someone who has hurt you, even if they are missing, but that is just my opinion.

JMO IMO [/*]

Exactly. You have nothing to back it up so why post it? There is no proof whatsoever that Nicholas was any of those disgusting things you just posted.

Stop the nonsense !

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by n/t


NO PROOF!hammer [/*]

Then why question what she does with her life? Doesn't have to do with his being missing. I though you were trying to find him.

But proof or no proof a woman could very well divorce of she found out her husband was cheating on her, got her pregnant and then may have walked out.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by n/t


Exactly. You have nothing to back it up so why post it? There is no proof whatsoever that Nicholas was any of those disgusting things you just posted.

Stop the nonsense ! [/*]

Maybe the fact that she is divorcing him is the proof that something very bad was found out.

[Wrenn]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
IMO? more mamma drama. As I call it.....

More Histrionics.
Cat [/*]

That's what I'm thinking. A lot of the suggestions that have been brought up are illegal. Bigamy, soliciting prostitution, drug addiction. Remember, LE said this secret wasn't illegal.

My father left my mother. He has children with other women. Not once in my life growing up did I feel as though everything was taken from me.

[zenharmony19]

If Christine doesn't care about Nicholas, so what? Do all wives care about their husbands? How high is the divorce rate? What does that mean??

Her not caring is not evidence in his disappearance, even if she doesn't care, never did care, and never will care. Not unless it's coupled with other concrete real evidence that she had something to do with his being missing.

IMO, JMO

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I want to also know, did they have a storage unit of some kind, is it possible that he had been accruing not only money, but things as well.??
A true double life, or the preperation for one? With someone else? He was possibly seen at this storage unit, did she know of one? Was there a key found to one among his belongings, OR an ACCOUNT AT a Storage Unit? Has anyone Called the storage facilites in that area? Spc. the one he was seen at? You never know what idiot you will get on the phone, and what info they will give out. Might just get a lucky break. I usually do...
Cat [/*]

Or is it a double life Christine found out about? iirc, it wasn't Nicholas seen at a storage unit, it was his car.

An older man died a few years ago in Florida. Lo and behold, he had been living a dual life for something like 20 years. Two households, two sets of children, not far from one another. The children were furious. Remember that?

[Silver_Dove]

Well then if we can't believe anything Christine says then maybe all of what she wrote and said about what a wonderful husband he was was just hype to make her look good for having got such a great husband. May in truth he was a lazy slop who never helped out. Maybe she went to see him at work to make sure he was there and nothing was happening.

If you don't want to believe her now why believe any of her past statements?

[n/t]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Then why question what she does with her life? Doesn't have to do with his being missing. I though you were trying to find him.

But proof or no proof a woman could very well divorce of she found out her husband was cheating on her, got her pregnant and then may have walked out. [/*]

You must be on the wrong board then because this is about Nicholas and he is MISSING and the wife posted she is divorced and this was confirmed by her spokesperson or whatever Harlett is.

So yes, people question why the wife is divorcing her missing husband when LE, themselves can't confirm if he walked or if he is dead!

Get it now?

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Wrenn


That's what I'm thinking. A lot of the suggestions that have been brought up are illegal. Bigamy, soliciting prostitution, drug addiction. Remember, LE said this secret wasn't illegal.

My father left my mother. He has children with other women. Not once in my life growing up did I feel as though everything was taken from me. [/*]

Adultery isn't illegal in Washington. Sleeping with will partners without pay isn't illegal. Having children with women you aren't married to isn't illegal.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by n/t


Exactly. You have nothing to back it up so why post it? There is no proof whatsoever that Nicholas was any of those disgusting things you just posted.

Stop the nonsense ! [/*]

Stop what? IMO you are just taking my good argument and turning it around to make it seem like I have done something wrong.

IMO seems apparent to me that you want to do nothing but argue and you don't appear to really care about Nicholas at all.


IMO JMO:(

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by n/t


You must be on the wrong board then because this is about Nicholas and he is MISSING and the wife posted she is divorced and this was confirmed by her spokesperson or whatever Harlett is.

So yes, people question why the wife is divorcing her missing husband when LE, themselves can't confirm if he walked or if he is dead!

Get it now? [/*]

Nope sorry I don't get how it is going to help you find Nicholas.

Well unless you figure she is divorcing for a reason like he was cheating on her and he might be with a new partner.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
His friends already complained about the tunnel vision a long time ago. [/*]

I missed this do you have a link?

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


I don't see evidence here though. I don't see ideas to back up your opinions. Where are the explanations of why you feel this way, they are not there. Without evidence to back up your ideas, it is just opinion. How can anyone get anywhere to understanding based on opinions?

JMO [/*]

What exactly are you trying to see? CF's many media interviews, her comments and behavior are all out there for you to see for yourself and have been linked here many times.

Ever heard of the Miranda warning and understand the concept of "Anything you say can be held against you?"

[n/t]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove
Well then if we can't believe anything Christine says then maybe all of what she wrote and said about what a wonderful husband he was was just hype to make her look good for having got such a great husband. May in truth he was a lazy slop who never helped out. Maybe she went to see him at work to make sure he was there and nothing was happening.

If you don't want to believe her now why believe any of her past statements? [/*]

Again, you you have no proof and are just on a mission to smear a missing man who is still missing.

[decor]

Originally posted by n/t


Christians don't divorce missing husbands. I don't think any moral human being would divorce a missing spouse. Period.

You don't have to read my posts, you can just skip over them. :rolleyes: [/*]

I'm a Christian. I divorced my husband. I decided that I didn't want him to give me aids since he had already given me cervical cancer. so that makes you wrong.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by n/t


Again, you you have no proof and are just on a mission to smear a missing man who is still missing. [/*]

Making him a saint isn't going to help find him either.

Some times you have to look in the dark corners too.

[decor]

Originally posted by decor


I'm a Christian. I divorced my husband. I decided that I didn't want him to give me aids since he had already given me cervical cancer. so that makes you wrong. [/*]

I misread your quote. my husband wasn't missing. If I thought he was going to give me Aids after he had given me cervical cancer and he went missing I would have divorced him. I would have wanted to move on. I would have still been a Christian.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by JustFacts


What exactly are you trying to see? CF's many media interviews, her comments and behavior are all out there for you to see for yourself and have been linked here many times.

Ever heard of the Miranda warning and understand the concept of "Anything you say can be held against you?" [/*]

Yes but I don't see anything she has said that I think is incriminating against her. I had asked for you to back up your arguments, but you are saying it's just her interviews, comments and behavior. Without knowing what specific comments and behaviors she has made that make you think that, along with evidence how these comments and behaviors could mean she might be guilty of something, how can I be convinced in any way of what you are saying.



;) JMO IMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

o/t
Edmonds: Missing man found safe
http://heraldnet.com/article/20080423/NEWS01/9077425

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove
Well then if we can't believe anything Christine says then maybe all of what she wrote and said about what a wonderful husband he was was just hype to make her look good for having got such a great husband. May in truth he was a lazy slop who never helped out. Maybe she went to see him at work to make sure he was there and nothing was happening.

If you don't want to believe her now why believe any of her past statements? [/*]

I can't speak for other posters but I certainly don't disbelieve everything CF has said. For example, I think his body is going to be found near CostCo.

JMO

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
o/t
Edmonds: Missing man found safe
http://heraldnet.com/article/20080423/NEWS01/9077425 [/*]

Well isn't that interesting. So men can walk away and stay hidden. I was beginning to think it was impossible from reading this board.

I'm happy he was found alive. I'm hoping Nicholas will be, too. Bet no more details will be released then either.

[MoonFlwr]

Originally posted by n/t



I'm assuming you told him that it's been less than 3 months and the husband is still missing.

Does someone move ahead with a "new life" so quickly? Most experts in normal divorce cases advise to take the time to grieve and heal. A divorce is very much like a death.

So moving on so quickly is very puzzling and very suspicious.


Nicholas, hope you're safe and well. Please call someone. Think of your children. :rose: [/*]

Yup, he knows the time frame.

He looked at all the possible scenarios and said....."well, any way you look at it, she is a single mum."
Maybe she needed to take the step to make the fact real in her mind, that she is now responsible for everything on her own.

I thought it was an interesting perspective, given I was trying to understand why Christine filed for divorce and changed her online status.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by JustFacts


I can't speak for other posters but I certainly don't disbelieve everything CF has said. For example, I think his body is going to be found near CostCo.

JMO [/*]

Oh so it is just a matter of picking and choosing the ones people want to believe then? or maybe the ones that fit what people want to believe?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Oh so it is just a matter of picking and choosing the ones people want to believe then? or maybe the ones that fit what people want to believe? [/*]

Or the ones that can be confirmed by a separate and independent source?
jmo

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


Or the ones that can be confirmed by a separate and independent source?
jmo [/*]

Well no one can confirm what went on behind closed doors so we have no idea if he was or wasn't a good husband so we will have to stop using that one.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by MoonFlwr


Yup, he knows the time frame.

He looked at all the possible scenarios and said....."well, any way you look at it, she is a single mum."
Maybe she needed to take the step to make the fact real in her mind, that she is now responsible for everything on her own.

I thought it was an interesting perspective, given I was trying to understand why Christine filed for divorce and changed her online status. [/*]
Thank you for sharing. Makes a lot of sense, too.

[inv]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Well no one can confirm what went on behind closed doors so we have no idea if he was or wasn't a good husband so we will have to stop using that one. [/*]

What we do know is Christine sat on her butt since the beginning of their marriage without getting a job. Wonder what kinds of 'secrets' one could find on her hard drive? Plenty I would imagine with all that free time on her hands while Nick worked a public job, a freelance job, took care of the kids, brought coffee to Christine in bed, etc, etc, etc, etc.....

[decor]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
o/t
Edmonds: Missing man found safe
http://heraldnet.com/article/20080423/NEWS01/9077425 [/*]

another one in Seattle? how odd is it that there are so many in this area?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Oh so it is just a matter of picking and choosing the ones people want to believe then? or maybe the ones that fit what people want to believe? [/*]

No, it's a fact Nicholas is missing without a trace for over two months. It's also a fact that the words and actions of spouse of a missing person are always scrutinized.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by inv


What we do know is Christine sat on her butt since the beginning of their marriage without getting a job. Wonder what kinds of 'secrets' one could find on her hard drive? Plenty I would imagine with all that free time on her hands while Nick worked a public job, a freelance job, took care of the kids, brought coffee to Christine in bed, etc, etc, etc, etc..... [/*]

Dealing with 2 under 5 year olds does take time. Also we have all seen the etsy site so we know she was sewing, too. Even if she was a bad wife then he shouldn't have got her pregnant then walked away should he have?

So we have no way of knowing if they had a good marriage. If he was a good husband or if she was a good wife.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by decor


another one in Seattle? how odd is it that there are so many in this area? [/*]

I think it's because it is a highly populated area. So many of these we don't hear about, unfortunately.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by decor


another one in Seattle? how odd is it that there are so many in this area? [/*]

Just the size I think and maybe the high cost of living.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


No, it's a fact Nicholas is missing without a trace for over two months. It's also a fact that the words and actions of spouse of a missing person are always scrutinized. [/*]

But when no trace of foul play we also have to look at the missing person and places and things he might have done, too. Without a better knowledge of Nicholas we can spin our wheels all day looking at everything Christine says and does and never get close to finding Nicholas.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


No, it's a fact Nicholas is missing without a trace for over two months. It's also a fact that the words and actions of spouse of a missing person are always scrutinized. [/*]

Scrutinized is okay, but conclusions should be based on some kind of facts, or accepted beliefs.


IMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

Tukwila Man Arrested For Bus Stop Robberies
http://www.tukwilablog.com/

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Dealing with 2 under 5 year olds does take time. Also we have all seen the etsy site so we know she was sewing, too. Even if she was a bad wife then he shouldn't have got her pregnant then walked away should he have?

So we have no way of knowing if they had a good marriage. If he was a good husband or if she was a good wife. [/*]

Will you agree CF had a role in the 'got her pregnant' event?

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


Will you agree CF had a role in the 'got her pregnant' event? [/*]

Of course she did but if he did think she wasn't a good wife, if he had some reason he might not be staying or a secret that might have caused her to think twice about getting pregnant right then she had the right to that information before the "got her pregnant" event.

[desmom]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Maybe she was forcing that issue too. He does sound sort of surprised online, when he is discussing the We are Pregnant thread on twitter acct....I dont know
It maybe was an act of desperation to try to Keep her husband as well, lots of women, do that. Usually immature ones. [/*]

Yep she would not be the first woman that thought another baby is just what the marriage needed or to "accidentally" get pregnant to try to hold on to her man.

jmo

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by desmom


Yep she would not be the first woman that thought another baby is just what the marriage needed or to "accidentally" get pregnant to try to hold on to her man.

jmo [/*]

Well since she miscarried in the summer it wasn't like he didn't have a clue she was trying. He could have taken precautions or is it all the womans place now days?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Cury did they ever release the male bodys ID that was found last week? I waited n waited but I must have missed if they did...do you know?
Cat [/*]

googled repeatedly and so far no identity.
jmo

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Maybe she was forcing that issue too. He does sound sort of surprised online, when he is discussing the We are Pregnant thread on twitter acct....I dont know
It maybe was an act of desperation to try to Keep her husband as well, lots of women, do that. Usually immature ones. [/*]

Or maybe it just happened.. like it does for so many wed (and unwed) couples.

[n/t]

Originally posted by MoonFlwr


Yup, he knows the time frame.

He looked at all the possible scenarios and said....."well, any way you look at it, she is a single mum."
Maybe she needed to take the step to make the fact real in her mind, that she is now responsible for everything on her own.

I thought it was an interesting perspective, given I was trying to understand why Christine filed for divorce and changed her online status. [/*]

Maybe we're misunderstanding each other here, moon. The question is it normal for a spouse to start over so quickly after filing for a divorce? Everything I've read about family psychology and specifically divorce says that a divorce is like a death. People need to take time to grieve and heal and then and only then can they move on.

With that said, this does not apply to a dishonest & cheating spouse. Then of course they shouldn't have a problem moving on because that's what they wanted in the first place.

Moving on so quickly after the spouse's disappearance defies logic and perhaps there is an ulterior motive to that decision. The fact is he is still missing and so far there is no proof that he is alive or dead.

The wife's alleged decision is morally wrong and an embarassment to Christians. I can say that because I'm a Christian!

[desmom]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Well since she miscarried in the summer it wasn't like he didn't have a clue she was trying. He could have taken precautions or is it all the womans place now days? [/*]


I was making an observation in response to CT's post. I did not say she did or did not trick NF into getting her pregnant and I believe my post did have a "jmo".

imo, jmo, moo

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Inv raises a great point, one that i raised long ago and was totally shut down for even "going there" it is a huge issue. Putting all that on one guy, who knows the pressure he was under? He left the church, this church also encouraged women to stay home and pregnant.
So I'd say, clearly, he disagreed with that. Before she changed her sites, it was listed everywhere she loved to stay at home.
And i'm not going to let her forget, that that is what all of her blogs stated. She's no business woman; she has online shops that barely bring in an "income" it's more like a hobby. I am not sure what her reasons were for not working, but I'm sure she always found an excuse, her personality has shown that already.
She cant possibly work now, right? She is after all "with child"

EXCEPT PRESENT DAY; most women I know work whilst pregnant unless they are really fortunate and CAN AFFORD to SAH. Not everyone can. Not only was Nicholas to pay all the bills, he also had to start up her internet endevours with all that material. :shrug: Think about it.

Now, why anyone would want to do this, and short their kiddos I'm not sure. That, hasnt been explained. And NO ONE has came fwd to say she was a great SAHM either....for that matter. Just saying. But, they have come fwd to say there were "issues" with her personality. [/*]

Total dependence both financially and emotionally is a form of manipulation. Where is Nicholas' family in all this? I'm surprised they aren't more visible.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by n/t


Maybe we're misunderstanding each other here, moon. The question is it normal for a spouse to start over so quickly after filing for a divorce? Everything I've read about family psychology and specifically divorce says that a divorce is like a death. People need to take time to grieve and heal and then and only then can they move on.

With that said, this does not apply to a dishonest & cheating spouse. Then of course they shouldn't have a problem moving on because that's what they wanted in the first place.

Moving on so quickly after the spouse's disappearance defies logic and perhaps there is an ulterior motive to that decision. The fact is he is still missing and so far there is no proof that he is alive or dead.

The wife's alleged decision is morally wrong and an embarassment to Christians. I can say that because I'm a Christian! [/*]



Whether one is a Christian or a Buddhist or of any other religious persuasion, I don't think it is correct to make moral judgements about people without knowing the whole story, especially when there is good information that Christine had legal counsel to do it for the good of both her and her children.

In fact, under some circumstances, if she was to refrain from divorcing him when it's in the best interests of the children, that could be considered morally wrong.

IMO

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by n/t


Maybe we're misunderstanding each other here, moon. The question is it normal for a spouse to start over so quickly after filing for a divorce? Everything I've read about family psychology and specifically divorce says that a divorce is like a death. People need to take time to grieve and heal and then and only then can they move on.

With that said, this does not apply to a dishonest & cheating spouse. Then of course they shouldn't have a problem moving on because that's what they wanted in the first place.

Moving on so quickly after the spouse's disappearance defies logic and perhaps there is an ulterior motive to that decision. The fact is he is still missing and so far there is no proof that he is alive or dead.

The wife's alleged decision is morally wrong and an embarassment to Christians. I can say that because I'm a Christian! [/*]

Are you kidding me?

Morally wrong?? How can you possibly say this when you don't know all of the facts?

That was a terribly judgemental thing to say.. ESPECIALLY with the pretense that you can say it beause you are a "christian".

[desmom]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi field,

In context of her statements about her businesses she has said that they were not enough to take care of her and her kids. I'll look for the link but I think it was on the franciscos site. JMO.

Musterion [/*]

She must think it is.....

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5572559&page=3

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by CAT TOY


Usually both parties are "openly trying" it's usually a WE thing.
This sounds like quite an I statement to me, which more fits what I've seen from CF. [/*]

I don't know too many financially strapped couples who are "openly trying" for number 3. It sounds more like a very immature decision made for all the wrong reasons by the party playing house.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by JustFacts


I don't know too many financially strapped couples who are "openly trying" for number 3. It sounds more like a very immature decision made for all the wrong reasons by the party playing house. [/*]

Earlier on wasn't the idea that children could never be afforded and always a blessing and now it is immature? I'm getting whiplash from some of the changes of opinions. Then again that might not have been you that said that.

[n/t]

Originally posted by zenharmony19




Whether one is a Christian or a Buddhist or of any other religious persuasion, I don't think it is correct to make moral judgements about people without knowing the whole story, especially when there is good information that Christine had legal counsel to do it for the good of both her and her children.

In fact, under some circumstances, if she was to refrain from divorcing him when it's in the best interests of the children, that could be considered morally wrong.

IMO [/*]

Please provide proof with your statements that she got legal counsel.

[n/t]

thefranciscos blog is closed.

CLOSED
Friday, April 25th, 2008 in Family

this blog is now closed. no new posts will be made here. i will leave this blog up for a short time longer and then it will be deleted. I want my privacy. close friends and family know where to find me. if for some reason a family member or close friend was missed in the notification please contact me as it was an innocent oversight.

A final update on this blog about Nicholas: I do not know where Nicholas is. I do not know if he is alive or dead. I am still searching and will continue to search for him. Find Nicholas Francisco

Thank you to all who are praying and for your support. It is greatly appreciated and will never be forgotten or go unnoticed.

http://thefranciscos.com/2008/04/25/closed/



She confirms she does NOT know if he is alive or dead!!!!!

[n/t]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Making him a saint isn't going to help find him either.

Some times you have to look in the dark corners too. [/*]

There is no foundation in your statement to look in dark corners. There is NO PROOF whatsoever that he abandoned his wife and children and there is NO PROOF that he was this bad guy that you are making him out to be.

NONE.

Christine stated in her final blog that she does NOT know whether he is alive or dead.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by n/t


There is no foundation in your statement to look in dark corners. There is NO PROOF whatsoever that he abandoned his wife and children and there is NO PROOF that he was this bad guy that you are making him out to be.

NONE.

Christine stated in her final blog that she does NOT know whether he is alive or dead. [/*]

There is NO PROOF of anything but that hasn't stopped anyone from saying what ever they want.

When you are looking for a missing person you have to look under every rock and behind every bush. Not just reject things because they don't fit what someone wants to be the truth.

I think Christine would rather think he would never have walked away from her which would leave that he was killed at the same time I think she and LE found something that makes them think this might not be true. So what is that something? I have to wonder.

[n/t]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Are you kidding me?

Morally wrong?? How can you possibly say this when you don't know all of the facts?

That was a terribly judgemental thing to say.. ESPECIALLY with the pretense that you can say it beause you are a "christian". [/*]

Sounds like you know the facts when none have been posted. Do you? If so, please provide links so we can all have our say.

I based my opinion on facts that have been posted.

Nicholas is missing. Wife moves out. Wife files for divorce. Nicholas still missing. Wife posts she doesn't know where he is and whether or not he is dead or alive.

Those are the facts! If you have anything to prove otherwise, please post a link! TIA!

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by n/t


Please provide proof with your statements that she got legal counsel. [/*]

That's not the issue I was trying to make. You already know the answer to your own question, and I won't fall for your bait. :)

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by n/t


There is no foundation in your statement to look in dark corners. There is NO PROOF whatsoever that he abandoned his wife and children and there is NO PROOF that he was this bad guy that you are making him out to be.

NONE.

Christine stated in her final blog that she does NOT know whether he is alive or dead. [/*]

Why do you think people are saying that Nicholas is a bad guy?? I can't figure out if you really believe that or just want to argue.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


There is NO PROOF of anything but that hasn't stopped anyone from saying what ever they want.

When you are looking for a missing person you have to look under every rock and behind every bush. Not just reject things because they don't fit what someone wants to be the truth.

I think Christine would rather think he would never have walked away from her which would leave that he was killed at the same time I think she and LE found something that makes them think this might not be true. So what is that something? I have to wonder. [/*]

Well aren't you special! Not only do you demean and smear the missing person, you are now posting what Christine would rather want. Who do you think you are?

She just posted she has no clue where he is and whether or not he's alive or dead. What don't you understand??

From what you've posted, you seem to think Nicholas is a clone of your ex husband. Take your personal vendetta against your ex somewhere else. This isn't about you or your personal issues. It's about Nicholas!

[n/t]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


Why do you think people are saying that Nicholas is a bad guy?? I can't figure out if you really believe that or just want to argue. [/*]

Read some of the posts on this forum.

Posters have said he's a cheater, an adulterer, he's gay, porn, gambler....

The smearing against this man needs to stop. Things posted have no foundation and there is absolutely no proof of anything that he was accused of.

The fact remains that he is missing. He may be dead for God's sakes! Let's find him.

Why can't we all just put our efforts on finding him? That's what Missing Persons Forums are all about!

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by n/t


Well aren't you special! Not only do you demean and smear the missing person, you are now posting what Christine would rather want. Who do you think you are?

She just posted she has no clue where he is and whether or not he's alive or dead. What don't you understand??

From what you've posted, you seem to think Nicholas is a clone of your ex husband. Take your personal vendetta against your ex somewhere else. This isn't about you or your personal issues. It's about Nicholas! [/*]

Wow You really don't know me or know why I'm doing this. Just like you have told me I don't know you.

But really just wow.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by n/t


Read some of the posts on this forum.

Posters have said he's a cheater, an adulterer, he's gay, porn, gambler....

The smearing against this man needs to stop. Things posted have no foundation and there is absolutely no proof of anything that he was accused of.

The fact remains that he is missing. He may be dead for God's sakes! Let's find him.

Why can't we all just put our efforts on finding him? That's what Missing Persons Forums are all about! [/*]

Without figuring out the secret we may never look in the right direction. He could walk right past while people are looking in the water.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Wow You really don't know me or know why I'm doing this. Just like you have told me I don't know you.

But really just wow. [/*]

No I don't know you but I've seen what you've been posting here and on other boards about Nicholas.

Your smear campaign is getting tiresome and quite disruptive. This is a Missing Persons Forum. Nicholas is missing and needs to be found.

LE nor his wife nor his family have stated that he has made contact with anyone! He may be dead or alive. Nobody knows!

If you want to help find him, great but he doesn't need his reputation tarnished in the process.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by n/t


Read some of the posts on this forum.

Posters have said he's a cheater, an adulterer, he's gay, porn, gambler....

The smearing against this man needs to stop. Things posted have no foundation and there is absolutely no proof of anything that he was accused of.

The fact remains that he is missing. He may be dead for God's sakes! Let's find him.

Why can't we all just put our efforts on finding him? That's what Missing Persons Forums are all about! [/*]

Why would all that bother someone who's so quick to judge Christine without any proof of anything??

Amazing the way you defend the missing husband as though he is saint.

I have never met a saint although I have heard there have been a few throughout the history of mankind.

Real logical arguments plus honest speculation without judgements are what might somehow help find Nicholas.
But I just don't think that's ever going to happen here.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Without figuring out the secret we may never look in the right direction. He could walk right past while people are looking in the water. [/*]

If his wife or LE wanted to release the details of his so called secret life, they would've done so. The fact that they have not, leads me to believe that there is a possibility that this "secret life" has no bearing on his disappearance.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by n/t


No I don't know you but I've seen what you've been posting here and on other boards about Nicholas.

Your smear campaign is getting tiresome and quite disruptive. This is a Missing Persons Forum. Nicholas is missing and needs to be found.

LE nor his wife nor his family have stated that he has made contact with anyone! He may be dead or alive. Nobody knows!

If you want to help find him, great but he doesn't need his reputation tarnished in the process. [/*]

You are being very emotional about this, but all things need to be looked at.

I'm sorry you find it disruptive to look at all things that might have happened and although some agree with you, other don't find it disruptive to look into all possibilities.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by n/t


No I don't know you but I've seen what you've been posting here and on other boards about Nicholas.

Your smear campaign is getting tiresome and quite disruptive. This is a Missing Persons Forum. Nicholas is missing and needs to be found.

LE nor his wife nor his family have stated that he has made contact with anyone! He may be dead or alive. Nobody knows!

If you want to help find him, great but he doesn't need his reputation tarnished in the process. [/*]

I've never seen Silver Dove try to smear anybody, but I've seen you do it in the way you judge Christine.

IMO

[n/t]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


Why would all that bother someone who's so quick to judge Christine without any proof of anything??

Amazing the way you defend the missing husband as though he is saint.

I have never met a saint although I have heard there have been a few throughout the history of mankind.

Real logical arguments plus honest speculation without judgements are what might somehow help find Nicholas.
But I just don't think that's ever going to happen here. [/*]

I have yet to see one FACT posted that Nicholas was anything but a good dad, devoted husband, dedicated employee and coworker and someone who enjoyed life.

If you have any facts showing otherwise, please post them. After all the research done on Nicholas by not only myself but many many others, nobody has found anything that points to that direction. Nothing.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


You are being very emotional about this, but all things need to be looked at.

I'm sorry you find it disruptive to look at all things that might have happened and although some agree with you, other don't find it disruptive to look into all possibilities. [/*]

I am willing to look at possibilites if you have tangible facts.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


You are being very emotional about this, but all things need to be looked at.

I'm sorry you find it disruptive to look at all things that might have happened and although some agree with you, other don't find it disruptive to look into all possibilities. [/*]

Yes I am emotional about it because I take missing peoples cases very seriously. I wouldn't be here if I didn't.

I pray and shed tears with the families of missing loved ones. That's who I am.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by n/t


I have yet to see one FACT posted that Nicholas was anything but a good dad, devoted husband, dedicated employee and coworker and someone who enjoyed life.

If you have any facts showing otherwise, please post them. After all the research done on Nicholas by not only me but many many others, nobody has found anything that points to that direction. Nothing. [/*]

There are few or no real facts about either Christine or Nicholas that we really know or probably can ever know.. But there are certain facts about human nature than we can know.

1) life is not like it was on "The Leave It To Beaver Show"

2) nobody is perfect

3) nobody has a perfect life

4) all spouses don't love their husbands and wives and many cheat

5) many people cheat on their spouse, gamble, and have similar vices, but they aren't even called vices by many, it is just considered part of life.

5) if one can't speculate about what happened to Nicholas there is no point in talking about anything.

IMO JMO

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by n/t


I am willing to look at possibilites if you have tangible facts. [/*]

"The wife's alleged decision is morally wrong and an embarassment to Christians. I can say that because I'm a Christian!"

But saying this is ok without all the facts? And isn't smearing her.

BTW I have not problem with anything I have posted that Nicholas did other then that he wasn't honest with his wife.

[decor]

Originally posted by n/t


No I don't know you but I've seen what you've been posting here and on other boards about Nicholas.

Your smear campaign is getting tiresome and quite disruptive. This is a Missing Persons Forum. Nicholas is missing and needs to be found.

LE nor his wife nor his family have stated that he has made contact with anyone! He may be dead or alive. Nobody knows!

If you want to help find him, great but he doesn't need his reputation tarnished in the process. [/*]


but it is okay to tarnish Christine's because she isn't missing?


Originally posted by n/t


If his wife or LE wanted to release the details of his so called secret life, they would've done so. The fact that they have not, leads me to believe that there is a possibility that this "secret life" has no bearing on his disappearance. [/*]

and that is only your opinion.
to me it says just the opposite.


Originally posted by n/t


Yes I am emotional about it because I take missing peoples cases very seriously. I wouldn't be here if I didn't.

I pray and shed tears with the families of missing loved ones. That's who I am. [/*]


families? all I have seen is this family torn apart.

[inv]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


"The wife's alleged decision is morally wrong and an embarassment to Christians. I can say that because I'm a Christian!"

But saying this is ok without all the facts? And isn't smearing her.

BTW I have not problem with anything I have posted that Nicholas did other then that he wasn't honest with his wife. [/*]

Yeah, well, she wasn't honest with him either.

"I will never stop searching for him."- Lie

When did you call the police?
"10:00"- Lie

Did she call TES?
"Yes"- Lie

And the list goes on...

[decor]

Originally posted by inv
I just don't get it. Most people here are giving Christine Francisco exactly what she wants (imo)- to take the focus off Nicholas and the search for him. She has erased everthing they shared togather (not knowing if he is dead or alive), so why should anyone give her more attention than Nicholas? She has everything she needs- a home, donations from unsuspecting web surfers, donation into the account Mars Hill set up for her, etc.

This is exactly what she wants. She doesn't want Nick to be found (which is suspicious if you ask me). She just wants to move on with her new life.

IMO, Christine has publically displayed what an arrogant, greedy, selfish person she is. The only person she is worried about is herself, imo.

So where is the proof that Nicholas deserves to be forgotten? I haven't seen any proof of that. But yet, selfish people like Christine get all the attention and he gets none.

Pathetic as all get out IMO. [/*]

what kind of reporter are you? have you EVER seen a real reporter post their opinions and feelings like you do?

I also hope you are a male because the other post you made about CF sitting home on her butt and not getting a job is a typical male chauvinistic comment.
you obviously do not know what it is like to take care of children. after all she was home alone with them all day while her husband worked.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


"The wife's alleged decision is morally wrong and an embarassment to Christians. I can say that because I'm a Christian!"

But saying this is ok without all the facts? And isn't smearing her.

BTW I have not problem with anything I have posted that Nicholas did other then that he wasn't honest with his wife. [/*]

Alright then so we should all believe what YOU say versus what has been revealed which has been nothing in regards to this so called secret life.

Get real! :punch:

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by inv


Yeah, well, she wasn't honest with him either.

"I will never stop searching for him."- Lie

When did you call the police?
"10:00"- Lie

Did she call TES?
"Yes"- Lie

And the list goes on... [/*]

Lets not forget she quit talking to you. Which may have shaded you view of her.

ETA and none of your examples were said to him while he was in the marriage.

[n/t]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
http://www.flickr.com/photos/revolution8/73336647/ [/*]

:( Oh my CT, I hadn't seen that before.

How many more of those clues are out there?


:rose:

[inv]

Originally posted by decor


what kind of reporter are you? have you EVER seen a real reporter post their opinions and feelings like you do?

I also hope you are a male because the other post you made about CF sitting home on her butt and not getting a job is a typical male chauvinistic comment.
you obviously do not know what it is like to take care of children. after all she was home alone with them all day while her husband worked. [/*]

It's kinda hard not to have an opinion about someone who let's their husband do everything while they pursue their own interests. Then when that cash stops coming in (because he is missing), the wife just gives up on him.

Who wouldn't have an opinion?

[inv]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Lets not forget she quit talking to you. Which may have shaded you view of her.

ETA and none of your examples were said to him while he was in the marriage. [/*]

They are still married, or am I missing something. Just because someone wants to live in a fantasy world doesn't mean the fantasy is real now does it?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
http://www.flickr.com/photos/revolution8/73336647/ [/*]

What could the 'deck at Publicis' mean? Is the office that close to water and have balconies or does the company have a boat? TIA

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by n/t


:( Oh my CT, I hadn't seen that before.

How many more of those clues are out there?


:rose: [/*]

Wow so he may not have had a job he loved. Might have made it easier to walk away from.

[inv]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
http://www.flickr.com/photos/revolution8/73336647/ [/*]

Here's your evidence, SD!

.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Wow so he may not have had a job he loved. Might have made it easier to walk away from. [/*]

Reread what he posted. I don't think he meant his job. It's sunset and his day is just beginning.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by inv


Here's your evidence, SD!

. [/*]

Evidence he hates his job or that he just walked away from his family and is a live some where?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
http://www.flickr.com/photos/revolution8/73336647/ [/*]

the sun goes down and yet my day is just beginning

awwwwww :(

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by n/t


Reread what he posted. I don't think he meant his job. It's sunset and his day is just beginning. [/*]

So it is looking more like he walked away to a secret life. Valentines day is the perfect day for that, too.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by n/t


Reread what he posted. I don't think he meant his job. It's sunset and his day is just beginning. [/*]

I read that as Revolution8's label but NF's comment. Correct?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t


Reread what he posted. I don't think he meant his job. It's sunset and his day is just beginning. [/*]

That makes me sad.

[inv]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


So it is looking more like he walked away to a secret life. Valentines day is the perfect day for that, too. [/*]

Maybe he did. Hopefully to someone that actually deserves him.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by inv


It's kinda hard not to have an opinion about someone who let's their husband do everything while they pursue their own interests. Then when that cash stops coming in (because he is missing), the wife just gives up on him.

Who wouldn't have an opinion? [/*]


You feel I guess that pregnant SAHM moms with 2 children under the age of 5 are merely sitting around the house pursuing their own interests? What can I respond to that except wow! Your ignorance is astounding.

I don't think you understand psychology too well either if you don't understand that there are different personality types and some of those types like to be busy, active, and actually enjoy doing things for their spouse. This is not bad, not the fault of anybody, it is the persons nature. As a matter of fact my father was like that, and husband is too, they are always active and busy and it does amaze some of my friends. Is it a good thing? Sometimes. But my husband's being that way has nothing to do with me, it is about my husband's personality.

[Silver_Dove]

As I read that revolution8's day has just begun. Works nights maybe or it is a woman who is going home.

Nicholas could be about work or home. Can't really say.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by inv


Maybe he did. Hopefully to someone that actually deserves him. [/*]

And his children didn't deserve him? or is this a smear at Christine?

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by VenusFlyTrap


and also, look at the date on Nic's comment. It was posted 2.5 years ago. [/*]

Ya makes it mean even less. 2.5 years wouldn't that have been around the time Christine was pregnant with the youngest?

[n/t]

Originally posted by VenusFlyTrap



:lol: you need to re-read.. he didn't write the caption under the photo.. he made the comment below the caption. Some people are really grasping at straws here. [/*]


Well good grief. I just read it and didn't notice who wrote the caption. I saw it was his flickr so I assumed it was him.

Nice of you to join the bash fest.:rolleyes:

[decor]

Originally posted by inv


It's kinda hard not to have an opinion about someone who let's their husband do everything while they pursue their own interests. Then when that cash stops coming in (because he is missing), the wife just gives up on him.

Who wouldn't have an opinion? [/*]

everyone has an opinion. my question was when is the last time you saw a reporter state their opinion when their opinion did not help in the case?

[n/t]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


That may very well may be true.. maybe the secret life has NOTHING to do with his disappearance and EVERYTHING to do with the decisions to move and file for divorce... but no matter what proof you are given you won't take it for what it is so why give any to you? Talk about a smear campaign... you and a few others have set out to smear Christine to the point of calling her a bad mother.. wife.. .and now murderer. You refuse to take the word of even the detective that there WAS a secret life that was discovered.. that he doesn't know what.. IF ANYTHING it had to do with his disappearance. Instead you take the word of a spokesperson.. which IS all Sgt. U. is to this case.. he is NOT the one investigating it.

You talk about people trying to smear Nicholas but have you heard ONE person come out and say what the secret was??? NOOO you haven't.. you have heard our speculations about it but family.. Christine.. LE.. have all chosen NOT to make it public. Maybe to protect the case.. HAS THAT EVER OCCURED TO YOU? Maybe to protect the family.. EVER OCCURED TO YOU? OR maybe to protect Nicholas from things that are a PRIVATE matter and that we would never have known if he hadn't come up missing.

Let the detective do his job and find out what happened to Nicholas. [/*]

If you're not here to find Nicholas, why are you here then?

Accusing me of smearing Christine and calling her a murderer is totally untrue and you better have backup to prove your accusation. This is a serious accusation and violation of the rules.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by VenusFlyTrap


give this person a standing ovation.. this is the best post i have seen on any of the threads concerning this missing person. my hat is off to you for being so insightful and non-judgemental. too bad there aren't more like you.:beer: [/*]

Hi there. Yes, I agree with you, a great post, there are others here who try to be non-judgmental, myself included, although it isn't always possible, I try my best. :)

[inv]

Originally posted by zenharmony19



You feel I guess that pregnant SAHM moms with 2 children under the age of 5 are merely sitting around the house pursuing their own interests? What can I respond to that except wow! Your ignorance is astounding.

I don't think you understand psychology too well either if you don't understand that there are different personality types and some of those types like to be busy, active, and actually enjoy doing things for their spouse. This is not bad, not the fault of anybody, it is the persons nature. As a matter of fact my father was like that, and husband is too, they are always active and busy and it does amaze some of my friends. Is it a good thing? Sometimes. But my husband's being that way has nothing to do with me, it is about my husband's personality. [/*]

Wow, your ignorance is just as astounding! From everything I have heard, Nicholas took the oldest daughter to ballet, Nicholas took the kids to the park, Nicholas played with the kids, Nicholas cooked for the kids, Nicholas worked his public job, Nicholas worked his freelance job, Nicholas catered to Christine...

There's no other way to look at it imo.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by inv


Wow, your ignorance is just as astounding! From everything I have heard, Nicholas took the oldest daugter to balet, Nicholas took the kids to the park, Nichoals played with the kids, Nicholas cooked for the kids, Nicholas worked his public job, Nicholas worked his freelance job, Nicholas catered to Christine...

There's no other way to look at it imo. [/*]

Where is the evidence he did all these things, and how often did he do them?

IMO Bet you are just jealous and wish someone would cater to you like that! :)

IMO

[decor]

Originally posted by inv


Wow, your ignorance is just as astounding! From everything I have heard, Nicholas took the oldest daughter to ballet, Nicholas took the kids to the park, Nicholas played with the kids, Nicholas cooked for the kids, Nicholas worked his public job, Nicholas worked his freelance job, Nicholas catered to Christine...

There's no other way to look at it imo. [/*]

even if he was doing all these things was someone holding a gun to his head. maybe he liked TO DO THEM. no one FORCED him. he had choices and he chose to do them.

does anyone make you do things you don't want to do?

[inv]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


Where is the evidence he did all these things, and how often did he do them?

IMO Bet you are just jealous and wish someone would cater to you like that! :)

IMO [/*]

I don't need someone catering to my needs. I am a grown adult. There is nothing I wouldn't do for my child in times of need. I go to work, pay my bills, take care of my child, do the dishes, clean the house, do laundry, mow the grass, help my child with homework, etc.

And, I am a man...

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by inv


Wow, your ignorance is just as astounding! From everything I have heard, Nicholas took the oldest daughter to ballet, Nicholas took the kids to the park, Nicholas played with the kids, Nicholas cooked for the kids, Nicholas worked his public job, Nicholas worked his freelance job, Nicholas catered to Christine...

There's no other way to look at it imo. [/*]

Do you have the links to this information? Are you sure Christine didn't go with them? Some of those I've seen but some I've never heard before now.

BTW how do you know she didn't cater to him, too? My husband caters to my every whim but then again I do the same for him.

[inv]

Originally posted by VenusFlyTrap


i read on here somewhere the other day where inv had to take his kid back to the mother's before school started. maybe his wife walked out on him and that's why he has it in for the missing guy's wife so bad. maybe he thinks all women are, what's that you call them.. i can't remember right now, but it's not a very good word. [/*]

My ex-wife and I seperated because she slept around on me. Other than that, she is as good as they get. We are best friends.

Not that it is any of your business.

[desmom]

Can someone provide a link to the "Nicholas Francisco 28, Seattle, 2-13-08 (car found)" thread?

This can't possibly be it. :confused:

[inv]

I only have one more thing to say. Christine made this about her when she asked the public for help and then told everyone to go away. She is accepting donations from people who feel sorry for her. IMO, if she wants to shut the door on Nicholas by not searching for him, getting a divorce, taking all his pictures offline, not talking to media, then she needs to stop taking money from unsuspecting donors.


I am done here. I hope Nicholas is alive and will contact someone who cares about him soon. I think he should stand up for his rights as a father.

To Nicholas Francisco:

:rose: :rose: :rose:

[decor]

Originally posted by VenusFlyTrap


where are the rumblings of a fight that night, in your head? i haven't seen anything like that at all mentioned anywhere. [/*]

someone on a thread weeks ago suggested that maybe they had an argument that night. because it was suggested and accepted by those that want to believe it, it has now, somehow, become fact.

[Shelby1]

No one except for Laci ever made me feel this song until Nicholas......

"I'm With You"

I'm standing on a bridge
I'm waiting in the dark
I thought that you'd be here by now
There's nothing but the rain
No footsteps on the ground
I'm listening but there's no sound

Isn't anyone tryin to find me?
Won't somebody come take me home
It's a damn cold night
Trying to figure out this life
Won't you take me by the hand
Take me somewhere new
I don't know who you are
But I... I'm with you
I'm with you

I'm looking for a place
I'm searching for a face
Is anybody here I know
'Cause nothing's going right
And everything's a mess
And no one likes to be alone

Isn't anyone trying to find me?
Won't somebody come take me home
It's a damn cold night
Trying to figure out this life
Won't you take me by the hand
Take me somewhere new
I don't know who you are
But I... I'm with you
I'm with you

Oh why is everything so confusing
Maybe I'm just out of my mind
Yea yea yea

It's a damn cold night
Trying to figure out this life
Won't you take me by the hand
Take me somewhere new
I don't know who you are
But I... I'm with you
I'm with you

Take me by the hand
Take me somewhere new
I don't know who you are
But I... I'm with you
I'm with you

Take me by the hand
Take me somewhere new
I don't know who you are
But I... I'm with you
I'm with you
I'm with you...


Avril Lavigne

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by Shelby1
No one except for Laci ever made me feel this song until Nicholas......

"I'm With You"

I'm standing on a bridge
I'm waiting in the dark
I thought that you'd be here by now
There's nothing but the rain
No footsteps on the ground
I'm listening but there's no sound

Isn't anyone tryin to find me?
Won't somebody come take me home
It's a damn cold night
Trying to figure out this life
Won't you take me by the hand
Take me somewhere new
I don't know who you are
But I... I'm with you
I'm with you

I'm looking for a place
I'm searching for a face
Is anybody here I know
'Cause nothing's going right
And everything's a mess
And no one likes to be alone

Isn't anyone trying to find me?
Won't somebody come take me home
It's a damn cold night
Trying to figure out this life
Won't you take me by the hand
Take me somewhere new
I don't know who you are
But I... I'm with you
I'm with you

Oh why is everything so confusing
Maybe I'm just out of my mind
Yea yea yea

It's a damn cold night
Trying to figure out this life
Won't you take me by the hand
Take me somewhere new
I don't know who you are
But I... I'm with you
I'm with you

Take me by the hand
Take me somewhere new
I don't know who you are
But I... I'm with you
I'm with you

Take me by the hand
Take me somewhere new
I don't know who you are
But I... I'm with you
I'm with you
I'm with you...


Avril Lavigne [/*]

I LOVE that song, Shelby! That just gave me the chills!!!

Praying for you, Nicholas! If you're out there and able - PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE phone your mother or sisters and let them know you are alive!

[Miss Behavin]

All of this finger pointing, name calling, and rhetoric amongst posters is NOT helping.....

Quite frankly, I am SICK to death of this. It is not solving anything!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin
All of this finger pointing, name calling, and rhetoric amongst posters is NOT helping.....

Quite frankly, I am SICK to death of this. It is not solving anything! [/*]

Looks like some new recruits have been brought in to get the board closed down. This is exactly what they want. Just report the harassing personal insulting posts to the moderator.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


What could the 'deck at Publicis' mean? Is the office that close to water and have balconies or does the company have a boat? TIA [/*]

Cury, this looks about right for a view from lower Queen Ann, which is where Publicis is located.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by CAT TOY


What do you think about the Phillipines Rn? Did you ever think that he went there? Did you ever hear about the Paris trip in Dec with Publicis? I asked early on; who he knew in London that had links with Publicis London. I never got an answer to that question, but I have my ideas if he did up and leave. I'd have to say, nine times out of ten it's someone you've met thru work.
So, who has left Publicis in the last 2 yrs time? Anyone?

Cat [/*]

Now that is a good question about someone leaving Publicis within the last couple of years.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by n/t


If you're not here to find Nicholas, why are you here then?

Accusing me of smearing Christine and calling her a murderer is totally untrue and you better have backup to prove your accusation. This is a serious accusation and violation of the rules. [/*]

I haven't violated any rules.

I am sorry that you feel that way.

I am simply trying to say.. you guys don't hold everyone to the same standards. You say one thing about Christine and then don't hold Nicholas to that same standard. NO ONE is perfect. Nicholas is a man and deals with the same temptations that we all do.

You are seriously off about this case but you will never know it because you keep asking for links etc. as proof but refuse to see anything except that Nicholas could do no wrong.. and Christine is evil. I'm sorry if that offends you but that is how it seems.

We are here to find out what happened to him. Does Christine hold answers to that? YES Does Nicholas hold answers to that? YES Does the detective hold answers to that? YES

You take everything that you hear about Nicholas and don't question it. EVERYTHING that Christine says is questioned.. without a doubt. You take everything that Sgt. U says as being gospel but he got it wrong about the 911 calls. The detective would know that but nobody bothered to ask him and just assumed that Christine lied. Then when the detective DID tell someone that there was a call around 10PM that night.. it was never put on the board. Why is that??? I have to wonder what the motive is behind doing that. It seems to be that it isn't about getting at the truth and finding him.

If we can put together all we do know and stop fighting about whether Christine is the anti christ or not.. maybe we can figure out what has happened to him. That is my only intention here.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Trout season opens Saturday in Washington lowland lakes
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420ap_wa_fishing_season.html

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Trout season opens Saturday in Washington lowland lakes
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420ap_wa_fishing_season.html [/*]

Yep.. the lakes are going to packed tomorrow!

Good point!

[Brattnt]

If anyone has any links to the fight CT is talking about could you please post it....TIA!....This is the first I have heard about a fight....:seeya:

[Musterion]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Total dependence both financially and emotionally is a form of manipulation. [/*]

:eek: For all the stay at home moms I say OUCH OUCH OUCH!!

Over 5.6 millions moms stay at home with their children. It has to be the hardest work with no monetary reward...Hugs to all sahm's.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Musterion


:eek: For all the stay at home moms I say OUCH OUCH OUCH!!

Over 5.6 millions moms stay at home with their children. It has to be the hardest work with no monetary reward...Hugs to all sahm's. [/*]

Yeah.. no kidding, huh?

BTW I totally disagree with the entire comment. LOTS of couples choose to do this and it says nothing about the person (sometimes the man) that decides to stay at home.

I have never heard it said in other missing person cases either. Nobody ever said that about Stacy Peterson.. :shrug: (and better not)

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
http://www.downloadsquad.com/profile/1009132/ [/*]

Can we be sure this is him? Could be someone with the same last name or even somo who lives in San Francisco.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by desmom


She must think it is.....

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5572559&page=3 [/*]

Hi Desmom,

I think it can and might be, in time, as it builds.

The statement I was referring to was before she moved and had the mortgage to be concerned about. JMO.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Geez. Now, why isnt this a search party instead of a fishing party?

Remember when Jessie Davis went missing, same type of thing, she shouldnt be missing, everyone knew that. So her community, all came together, and organized searches. Large ones. Ppl called walmart and asked for donations of WATER for the SEARCH and it's these types of Donations that CF should have been trying to do.....and she HAS NOT. IN MY BOOK, she has not looked for NF as far as I can see....after that car was found. Yet she continued to accept and ask for donations, etc...and say Poor Pregnant Me My Husband Is Missing He Is In Water He Is Dead
Etc etc....All her words, Not mine
:cuss:

Why, hasnt anyone searched for Nick in this fashion? Am going to continue to ask, please. If he isnt really missing and has left a bad marriage, please someone of family come forward. Preferably; someone from HIS Family. His Mother, Father, or Sis. [/*]
Accepting and asking are two very different things. She did ACCEPT donations other ASK for them for her. No one had to give one cent if they didn't want to and I would be surprised if anyone who did would want them back.

To me everything seems to point to the likely scenario is he walked out but since he hasn't talked to anyone it is hard to be sure. Also who knows if he is even in the area now.

Seems from the emails from LE I have read lately even they think he has walked but until they can talk to him they can't be sure.

[truecrimejunkie]

Originally posted by Musterion


:eek: For all the stay at home moms I say OUCH OUCH OUCH!!

Over 5.6 millions moms stay at home with their children. It has to be the hardest work with no monetary reward...Hugs to all sahm's. [/*]

Thanks! I am sooo sick of hearing of Christine "sitting on her butt doing nothing." May they all be SAHMs in their next life.

[truecrimejunkie]

Originally posted by CAT TOY


This doesnt involve you; it was a post to me, to something I SAID

Where do U all live anyway, who raised you? LMAO hammer

It was just now taken out of context by someone else, knock it off, that's not what this thread is for. Discuss the case, if you can. [/*]

And by discuss the case she means:

- talk about Nicholas being perfect and the victim

- talk about Christine being awful and guilty of at least being a terrible wife.

IMO from reading FAR TOO MANY of her posts

[Brattnt]

Still waitin for a link if anyone can provide one for the fight that CT says Nicholas and Christine had.....:shrug:

[inv]

Originally posted by truecrimejunkie


And by discuss the case she means:

- talk about Nicholas being perfect and the victim

- talk about Christine being awful and guilty of at least being a terrible wife.

IMO from reading FAR TOO MANY of her posts [/*]

No, this is about a missing man, Nicholas Francisco.

[inv]

Originally posted by VenusFlyTrap


i live in the woods and was raised by wolves. so, who raised you? i would like to discuss the case, but all you want to do is bash the guys wife. how's that discussing the case. [/*]

So, what do you think can be done to find Nicholas?

[truecrimejunkie]

Originally posted by inv


No, this is about a missing man, Nicholas Francisco. [/*]

i thought you were done posting?!

[inv]

Originally posted by VenusFlyTrap




:eek: you lied!!!!! you said you were all done here. [/*]

I didn't say forever. So what so you think can be done to find Nicholas? What things have you done?

[inv]

Originally posted by VenusFlyTrap


probably not much of anything to be honest. the cops have no clue as where to look. it seems like they think he walked away. the only way this guy is going to be found is if he decides to get in touch with someone, uses a credit card or applies for a job using his SS#. if he met with foul play i think the only way they will find him is if somone happens to stumble across his body. [/*]

Thank you. I agree with most of your thoughts. I feel like if NF met with foul play his body will be accidentally discovered. This seems to be the way it is in alot of cases, though.

I feel like keeping his name and picture out there would be a great way to keep the public aware, and more likely for him to be found sooner.

[kpb]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


I've never seen Silver Dove try to smear anybody .....
IMO [/*]

I know you weren't able to say that with a straight face! :tongue:

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by inv


Thank you. I agree with most of your thoughts. I feel like if NF met with foul play his body will be accidentally discovered. This seems to be the way it is in alot of cases, though.

I feel like keeping his name and picture out there would be a great way to keep the public aware, and more likely for him to be found sooner. [/*]

Especially if he is alive.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by inv


I didn't say forever. So what so you think can be done to find Nicholas? What things have you done? [/*]

What have you done Inv? Asking honestly.. not trying to say you haven't or anything negative.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by n/t

The wife's alleged decision is morally wrong and an embarassment to Christians. I can say that because I'm a Christian! [/*]

Hi n/t,

First of all, I can understand where you are coming from. I do understand your POV and I do respect that you are passionate in that POV. I don't minimize your thoughts, at all.

Christians do commit horrible acts. I wish that weren't true. But, they do. They lie. They steal. They sometimes murder. They make terrible mistakes. They ignore God and walk their own path many times and that hurts others. They sin. I know that I am not exempt from sinning even though I am a Christian.

When I look through the bible I see people like Abraham who lied and said his wife was his sister. To save his own skin.

David was a man after God's own heart. He saw a woman that he wanted. Even though he had many wives. This woman was married. He had her brought to him, slept with her, found out she was pregnant, then had her husband killed, quickly married her to try to save his reputation. He didn't get away with that. The child died. But God still called him righteous. And Jesus came from David and his lineage.

My point is this, people can love God and walk with God, but we are human and we, in a heartbeat can make a horrendous decision that hurts people and affects generations. We can be an embarrassment and very morally wrong.

I don't know what happened to Nicholas. I wish I did. I think, from all accounts known to the public, he was a kind person. I, also, believe that until more facts come out it is hard to understand everything completely. And it is very, very frustrating.

JMO.

[inv]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


What have you done Inv? Asking honestly.. not trying to say you haven't or anything negative. [/*]

I already posted what I have done. For one thing, I have a contact at 48 Hours Mystery who was interested in doing a story about NF but that has fallen by the wayside, unfortunately.