April 20th. to 25

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


What about his kids who without a his body alive or dead won't get the support they need?

And what if I am right? It will do more go for his children if he is found then for his mother. [/*]

He needs to be found one way or another IMO. Do you not agree? I'm sorry I didn't understand your post.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


He needs to be found one way or another IMO. Do you not agree? I'm sorry I didn't understand your post. [/*]

Of course he needs very badly to be found to pay child support for those little ones he left behind and on the 1% chance that he ended up dead so they can get social security.

Finding him is why I keep posting what I do I hope someone sees him and lets someone know.

[Cheri_G]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

Not like there is a big sign on it for people to notice plus 3 minutes driving isn't that close walking
Irrelevant to anything.


Why in the world would he do this? No one would tell anyone he was there. It just isn't done.
I didn't mean other members of the club. I meant co-workers and friends moving around the area. Coming and going to work, going out for lunch, etc.


There is truth to that, people do tear her apart every time she does anything but even the LE said she stopped doing media after she found out about the secret life
No that's not what Sgt. Urquhart said. He said information had come to light that Nick was keeping some secrets from her and she now declines to do any further media interviews.


Why is that? Because it is what you would do? Ever single thing from even before Nicholas left shows her to be very much a Christian. I just can't imagine her divorcing without a Biblical reason.
No it isn't what I would do.



Well they used a real name that checks out and the sent it right after Inv emailed the LE about me and he believed it was them. Want me to email them and ask them?
Really? Because I thought earlier you didn't believe it was LE but rather somebody here having a little fun at your expense.


Oh is it just legal sense now? Thank goodness there are boards like HarletOhara's where they support the families as victims unlike yours that hides what you are doing so you can better mock people.
Do some reading. I think you'll find that the families of victims are usually referred to as the victim's family and not the victims themselves. Anybody can read the forum on Nick if they become a member so its not hidden all that well if you think about it.


So there can only be your answer for why she behaves the way she does? The fact she might feel shame over what she has found Nicholas has done can't be possible?
No and I've never said any such thing. I don't even know where that came from since it really has nothing to do with the portion of my post you were answering.


And I think the reason you have to put Nicholas up for sainthood is because you have developed a crush on him. You can't stand to have anything negative about him posted.
:rolleyes:


Also I have never posted details and have only give links for those who want more info.
Yes which for most would be enough. But you keep bringing it up again and again. Even if the "secret life" has something to do with this club or others like it I don't think there's really a whole lot more that needs to be said on the matter.

There's also nothing out there about Nick that would suggest this is the "secret life" While its possible I still think its one of the more least likely possibilities.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Of course he needs very badly to be found to pay child support for those little ones he left behind and on the 1% chance that he ended up dead so they can get social security.

Finding him is why I keep posting what I do I hope someone sees him and lets someone know. [/*]

Okay thanks for clarifying. I agree he needs to be found, but not just for monetary reasons. If he has passed on, he needs to be laid to rest and not just rot in a lake or wherever he might be.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Cheri_G


Yes which for most would be enough. But you keep bringing it up again and again. Even if the "secret life" has something to do with this club or others like it I don't think there's really a whole lot more that needs to be said on the matter.

There's also nothing out there about Nick that would suggest this is the "secret life" While its possible I still think its one of the more least likely possibilities. [/*]

You keep rejecting anything other then that he is dead and Christine is bad and keep bring that up over and over again. Many many including LE don't believe that.

Yes I did believe the message from the LE was a joke but after seen that many had sent my name in to be checked out just before I got it, I went back and reread it and now believe it was from LE.

BTW why is the Nicholas board on your forums secret?

[desmom]

IMO, if NF was involved in some type of extra marital relationship he wanted to keep secret, I do not see NF going to any club ... private or public.

I don't think he would risk being seen by someone that knows him or his family.

[Cheri_G]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia



You are one of the people that I think has lost complete perspective when it come to Nicholas and Christine. Your board proves that 10 fold and I have to wonder what you will do.. if and when you find out that what you believe to be true.. isn't what is true and the people that you think aren't being honest are the ones that are being honest. I wonder if in the future you will decide to handle yourself different after you know the truth. [/*]

You are certainly entitled to you're opinion though I don't know where you are getting that impression from. Its interesting that you feel you know what I believe to be true and what happened when I'm not sure myself. I go back and forth between thinking he walked for some reason and thinking somebody did something to him.

While Christine's actions and words raise some flags for me as well as cause me to question her honesty and I'm not jumping to the conclusion that Nick MUST have been doing something sordid and seedy, I certainly haven't ruled out any possibility nor do I think most others have. I just think some things are less likely than others based on what we know and what we've heard about Nick from Christine, his family, his friends and co-workers.

Maybe you or anybody for that matter can tell me why its acceptable to think and say the worst of Nick but to think or even suggest anything ill of Christine is so horrible?

No I won't handle myself differently in the future no matter what the truth turns out to be in this case. I don't feel I've done anything that needs changing. Others will disagree but thats just the way things are.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by desmom
IMO, if NF was involved in some type of extra marital relationship he wanted to keep secret, I do not see NF going to any club ... private or public.

I don't think he would risk being seen by someone that knows him or his family. [/*]

I believe he used the private club to met people. It is a nice discrete little building you would never notice or even think about as you drove by. You would be shocked I'm sure to know what who are some of people belong they aren't low lifes they are teachers, police, lawyers and more. That is why the major thing for anonymity there. So even if someone did see him they would never guess what it is. That is what really makes it possible he could have been there, people who live less then a block away have no idea what the place is.

Way easier not to get caught then trying to get hotels or not get caught in the car.

[Cheri_G]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


You keep rejecting anything other then that he is dead and Christine is bad and keep bring that up over and over again. Many many including LE don't believe that.

Yes I did believe the message from the LE was a joke but after seen that many had sent my name in to be checked out just before I got it, I went back and reread it and now believe it was from LE.

BTW why is the Nicholas board on your forums secret? [/*]

I have never "rejected anything other than that he is dead". You are mistaken in that.

LE has the information about the club. I expect they'll check it out but I doubt we'll hear about it.

Its not secret. I have reasons for forcing membership to read which I will not explain. Even if I was willing to explain this isn't the appropriate place to be discussing it.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Or maybe it is to avoid child support which for 3 children can be expensive. [/*]

still needs to support himself and he can't even do that without a job, tho.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by beetlebrow



$900.00 a week?. This kind of exageration makes me wonder if she really wants to get a job. I just can't help but see someone who has relied on the help of others for so long that she is scared to do things for herself. This is someone who went on her blog and was able to secure a specific type of house RENT FREE !!!!!!. IMO if Christine wanted a job, she would have gotten one by now. [/*]

I had no idea that anywhere in the world, day care could be so expensive. Do the schools in Seattle not have after care facilities at reasonable rates? My g/kids attend after care at school for less than $100 (in South Africa) which includes snacks and drinks. This is a way for teachers to supplement their incomes and ensure homework is done.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


still needs to support himself and he can't even do that without a job, tho. [/*]

There are several sites that would allow him to make money with his graphics without reporting the income. The money goes to paypal accounts which also don't report the money.

We already know he had at least 2 paypal accounts. Also the people he is staying with may not be asking for much cash from him just like Christine getting a house rent free.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich


I had no idea that anywhere in the world, day care could be so expensive. Do the schools in Seattle not have after care facilities at reasonable rates? My g/kids attend after care at school for less than $100 (in South Africa) which includes snacks and drinks. This is a way for teachers to supplement their incomes and ensure homework is done. [/*]

First off her children are all below school age here and soon she will have a baby. There are some after school programs that are lower priced or even free but her kids wouldn't qualify because of their age.

Also I'm sure if you came to the US you would be shocked by the cost of everything.

[decor]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich


I had no idea that anywhere in the world, day care could be so expensive. Do the schools in Seattle not have after care facilities at reasonable rates? My g/kids attend after care at school for less than $100 (in South Africa) which includes snacks and drinks. This is a way for teachers to supplement their incomes and ensure homework is done. [/*]

my daughter pays somewhere around $700 for after school care and I think it is at the YMCA.

you won't find any daycare or after care for $100 a month in the US

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rainey

I did see the post about me being RIGHT :D

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silver

good posts today

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Of course he needs very badly to be found to pay child support for those little ones he left behind and on the 1% chance that he ended up dead so they can get social security.

Finding him is why I keep posting what I do I hope someone sees him and lets someone know. [/*]

I don't know Nicholas. He may be a stand-up guy. He may be a creep/jerk. But what I do know is that he has been reduced to a "cash cow" since Day One. Is that all you think about him? Money???? That is so sick.

How about he needs to be found to make sure he's ok/safe or if dead, he needs to be found so he can have a proper burial. He isn't just a cash cow!

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Nellie


I don't know Nicholas. He may be a stand-up guy. He may be a creep/jerk. But what I do know is that he has been reduced to a "cash cow" since Day One. Is that all you think about him? Money???? That is so sick.

How about he needs to be found to make sure he's ok/safe or if dead, he needs to be found so he can have a proper burial. He isn't just a cash cow! [/*]

Well I think he is alive, safe and doing fine but even if he is dead there are 2 little children and another on the way that he fathered that need care.

I tend to be practical, if he is dead there isn't much that can be done other then to bury him and if he is alive and well ....

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by decor


my daughter pays somewhere around $700 for after school care and I think it is at the YMCA.

you won't find any daycare or after care for $100 a month in the US [/*]

Seattle after school care = 260/mo
before school care = 170/mo
scholarships available will pay between 40-90 percent of that.

this is child care in the city's community centers.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Or maybe it is to avoid child support which for 3 children can be expensive. [/*]

He didn't avoid supporting his children for the past years....so why would he suddenly not want to support them any longer?
I will not assume that he is some deadbeat dad until proven.
The man could be laying dead in a body of water for all we know and it's horrible to keep acting like he's some deadbeat dad who doesn't want to support his children. Sounds to me like he's always supported them before.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Cheri_G


You are certainly entitled to you're opinion though I don't know where you are getting that impression from. Its interesting that you feel you know what I believe to be true and what happened when I'm not sure myself. I go back and forth between thinking he walked for some reason and thinking somebody did something to him.

While Christine's actions and words raise some flags for me as well as cause me to question her honesty and I'm not jumping to the conclusion that Nick MUST have been doing something sordid and seedy, I certainly haven't ruled out any possibility nor do I think most others have. I just think some things are less likely than others based on what we know and what we've heard about Nick from Christine, his family, his friends and co-workers.

Maybe you or anybody for that matter can tell me why its acceptable to think and say the worst of Nick but to think or even suggest anything ill of Christine is so horrible?

No I won't handle myself differently in the future no matter what the truth turns out to be in this case. I don't feel I've done anything that needs changing. Others will disagree but thats just the way things are. [/*]

I don't think it is acceptable to think or say the worse of Nicholas and I don't think I have ever done that. I think it is important not to change the facts and negotiate them in such a way as to fit what we believe may have happened. The truth is what is important and sometimes the truth hurts.. whether it has to do with Nicholas, Christine.. you or me.

I am convinced that there are some on your board that think that they know or have been given the divine gift of knowledge as to what the truth is in this case and anything that doesn't fit into that box.. they twist and turn to suit their idea. I just don't see how that is getting at the truth.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Well I think he is alive, safe and doing fine but even if he is dead there are 2 little children and another on the way that he fathered that need care.

I tend to be practical, if he is dead there isn't much that can be done other then to bury him and if he is alive and well .... [/*]

Man, it's cold to reduce him to $$$$ signs.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Nellie


I don't know Nicholas. He may be a stand-up guy. He may be a creep/jerk. But what I do know is that he has been reduced to a "cash cow" since Day One. Is that all you think about him? Money???? That is so sick.

How about he needs to be found to make sure he's ok/safe or if dead, he needs to be found so he can have a proper burial. He isn't just a cash cow! [/*]


:beer:

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Nellie


He didn't avoid supporting his children for the past years....so why would he suddenly not want to support them any longer?
I will not assume that he is some deadbeat dad until proven.
The man could be laying dead in a body of water for all we know and it's horrible to keep acting like he's some deadbeat dad who doesn't want to support his children. Sounds to me like he's always supported them before. [/*]

This is totally true, Nellie.

It didn't seem to be something that he tried to get away from in the past.. that is for sure.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Nellie


Man, it's cold to reduce him to $$$$ signs. [/*]

But what about those cute kids of his. Breaks my heart even more to think of them growing up in poverty and with out their father, too. Guess I just strange that way. I'm way to practical I guess.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Nellie


Man, it's cold to reduce him to $$$$ signs. [/*]

Not only cold, but very sad Nellie. I don't know that I have ever seen a missing person looked at this way before.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Not only cold, but very sad Nellie. I don't know that I have ever seen a missing person looked at this way before. [/*]

How many of these cases have been men with a wife and small children, that have been missing this long? Where the car was found with no evidence of foul play. No evidence of foul play any where?

[Shimz]

Hi All

I am doing a research paper about Warren Jeffs and the FDLS and the yearning for zion ranch and came across this

http://jonalynfincher.blogspot.com/2008/04/when-religion-hurts-women-yearning-for.html

When I saw that I couldn't believe it. Now, I always thought MH was a little "out there" on their rules, but I never thought they were so extreme that they could be compared to FDLS, in the fact of their strange views.

I never thought his disappearance had anything to do with the Church... now.. I guess anything is possible.

The thing about these places is that they are so PRIVATE that noone ever really knows what goes on behind the scenes...

[Musterion]

Originally posted by Cheri_G

No that's not what Sgt. Urquhart said. He said information had come to light that Nick was keeping some secrets from her and she now declines to do any further media interviews. [/*]

Hi Cheri,

I have been looking for that email and I can't seem to locate it. It isn't listed in our links here or on the google docs.

Could you post that email? Or the link?

TIA.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Shimz
Hi All

I am doing a research paper about Warren Jeffs and the FDLS and the yearning for zion ranch and came across this

http://jonalynfincher.blogspot.com/2008/04/when-religion-hurts-women-yearning-for.html

When I saw that I couldn't believe it. Now, I always thought MH was a little "out there" on their rules, but I never thought they were so extreme that they could be compared to FDLS, in the fact of their strange views.

I never thought his disappearance had anything to do with the Church... now.. I guess anything is possible.

The thing about these places is that they are so PRIVATE that noone ever really knows what goes on behind the scenes... [/*]

Christine and Nicholas quit Mars Hill a few days before Nicholas vanished meaning Mars Hill had no hold on either of them. There are 6000 members of Mars Hill, anyone can go to the churches, and there has never been evidence of them doing physical harm to any ex member.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove
All people are doing to help this case? Only thing I see happening is some people tearing Christine's every word apart and trying to put Nicholas up for sainthood. Anyone who has reason to believe other wise is also mocked and heaven forbid anyone stand up for Christine.

Everyone keeps asking why I'm guessing the way I am. It all started when n/t or May posted info on another board that was from private messages. I though it wasn't cool to post it but it also made things make a lot more sense. What this person posted included he(Nicholas) was sleeping with men and women. This made me think of the Wet Spot and I wondered how far it was from where he worked. Turned out it was 3 minutes from work. Also the Shell Gas Station would be on the way to the Wet Spot if he left work. Very easy to get to at lunch and back to work without anyone being the wiser. Also over at WS someone who worked at Publicis said "Publicis was very good about allowing for flexibility when it came to family needs etc."
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63123&page=24
This could mean he could come and go at work a bit more them a place with a time clock. This would have left him even more time to "play".but still be the perfect husband getting home on time.

Now around the same time the info about a secret life started to come out Christine didn't want to go public any more. Also "A 'paper trail' has been uncovered that goes back a few years. This side of Nicholas was totally hidden from his family. It has shattered her life and taken everything from her and the kids."
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=179229&highlight=secret#post179229
I just can't believe she stopped talking because she found out he was hiding money from her. What kind of a secret would make her not want to talk? It would seem likely that it was one she felt was shameful. I also had the feeling that what ever it was she didn't want to believe it was something he would do but slowly came to believe it. That could explain some of the odd things she has said and how they changed over time.

Now the fact that she is looking to divorce since we all know she is a Christian and has even been has been posting verses it would seem to me the only way that she would bring herself to post for all to see that she was getting a divorce could be a way of saying without saying he was/had commit adultery without saying it. People have tried to look for clues in what she says and I would say this could be a really big clue to the secret life.

Finally I'm now leaning toward the fact the LE did contact me here and the reason they gave was "I knew more then the normal writers" and ask was I Nicholas. I just said "ask the people at the wet spot" they didn't even question that just told me thanks. Also when I tried to get info about Nicholas and the Wet Spot I was rebuked for outing a long time member.

Sorry but knowing the Seattle sub cultures all of this makes way more sense then anything else I have seen. Nicholas could be a great friend and a nice guy. He could have been a good husband and father until the day he didn't come home. At the same time he could easily have a secret life like I have said. My only problem with him is if this is true he didn't tell his wife and he walked out on his kids.

I also find it difficult to believe that after several years he hadn't learn enough to keep himself safe. I also find the fact that he vanished the day be for Valentines day interesting because it is the day that many pair up with partners. Could someone he was seeing part time want him full time for this Valentines day? I find it very possible. No idea if it is male, female or a couple all are possibilities. Also if this is true is he hiding or is he going out to party? I'm guessing he stayed home before so he would be wanting to party now but who knows for sure. Also would it be in Tacoma or Seattle? If he is in the condo in Fed Way it could be either. Even though there are posters out most people never look at them and with sun glasses and dyed hair who would see him as the person in the picture and at night it is hard to see anyway.

There is nothing I have seen posted other then maybe things his wife said before she learned and came to accept the secret life info that would make this an impossible theory.

At this point something must have caused him to vanish and there just isn't a theory for foul play that stands up other then almost impossible one that needs a whole group of people to pull off.

The police also are saying they can find nothing that leads them to believe there was foul play and have scaled back what they are doing to find him. I personally hope that at some point soon he has the guts to surface and support his children and save the woman, he at one point told he loved, the pain of being daily torn apart for every little thing that people think she is or isn't doing.

People have question everything she has done, be it caring for her children when they have chicken poxes, to what she writes, to moving out of a house she can't afford alone, to getting a divorce with no other reason then it isn't what they would do. How is that fair. Even if Nicholas is dead she and his children are still victims of what happen and if he is alive then they are the only real victims. [/*]

Thanks, SD, for giving the background and context of your thoughts.

[wondering?]

Somehow, after all these weeks, and no interest really being shown by the family, I am thinking that we could discuss this case for years and still not get any closer to solving the disappearance of Nicholas.

I have been a strong supporter of Christine's before but now I am tending to believe that she knows where he is and that he is OK but just is not coming home.

She has moved on in so many ways that it is hard for many of us to understand that.
Most of us would be pounding the pavement of the news shows, a blog or something with our husband's picture on it, if we were missing our Beloved husband.

I am having to start to distance myself from this case as it has somewhat taken over my computer evenings.
There are other cases to follow.

Maybe we should leave this one alone for awhile and see what happens.
All the speculation, much of it from our imaginations, has run its course. There is just so much trashing of a person that can be done, whether it be Nicholas or Christine.

I still pray for Nicholas' return, I wish for Christine to say somewhere how much she loves him, misses him, wants to hear his voice and pleading for his return. Until I see that somewhere I will just have to imagine that he is safe somewhere and that "somewhere" has made Christine very angry!

Perhaps any one of us would feel the same way and maybe we too would not feel that the "public" does not need to know. But for all those who have supported this family, with $$$ and with prayers deserve just a little message from the family.

Sorry, may be way off base here, but this is MOO!

Nicholas, where are you?

[n/t]

Originally posted by Shimz
Hi All

I am doing a research paper about Warren Jeffs and the FDLS and the yearning for zion ranch and came across this

http://jonalynfincher.blogspot.com/2008/04/when-religion-hurts-women-yearning-for.html

When I saw that I couldn't believe it. Now, I always thought MH was a little "out there" on their rules, but I never thought they were so extreme that they could be compared to FDLS, in the fact of their strange views.

I never thought his disappearance had anything to do with the Church... now.. I guess anything is possible.

The thing about these places is that they are so PRIVATE that noone ever really knows what goes on behind the scenes... [/*]

Interesting you bring that up, Shimz. When I first started following this case, Nick and Christine resigning from the Church two days before he disappeared raised a red flag for me and I started to question why? Christine later confirmed that MHC had nothing to do with his disappearance and that the reason for their resignation had to do with finding a church more suitable to them. I'm paraphrasing because I don't recall her exact words.

All that to say, that I'm glad you're bringing it up again. I have my theories about the Church which I won't post here but I still believe there is a possibility that the Church may be involved.

[n/t]

BTW Shimz, Good Luck on your research. It is a fascinating topic.

[Cheri_G]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi Cheri,

I have been looking for that email and I can't seem to locate it. It isn't listed in our links here or on the google docs.

Could you post that email? Or the link?

TIA. [/*]

http://www.cherigriffiths.com/phpbb3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1000

Second post. You have to be a member to read the Francisco forum. I don't think it's been posted anywhere else.

It's an email to someone else on the board so it would be up to them to decide whether or not they want to post it here.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by Cheri_G

In a legal sense Christine and the children are not victims. They are not missing. No crime has been committed against them that I know of. The only potential victim here is Nick.

As for people questioning the things Christine says and her actions or lack of action in certain areas, that's part of the process on crime boards. Have a look at the Stacy Peterson board and what things people have to say about Drew and the things he says and does as an example. [/*]

Hi Cheri,

I think I understand what you are saying about the word victim and how it is used.

Potential victim is an appropriate term for a missing person. That is a good distinction until we know what has happened to them. IMO.

I think, though, maybe not technically in a legal sense, Christine and her children are victims. The word victim is given to someone who is harmed or suffers from circumstances, usually beyond their control. Even though it seems that you don't see Christine in a favourable light, and I'm not judging you on this or why it seems you feel the way you do, isn't it fair to see that Nicholas' disappearance has made his wife and their children victims? Whether he left voluntarily or not?

As for the Stacy Peterson case. I understand that there are common denominators in missing person's cases. But, if you can cite a case that is similar to Nicholas', a husband who disappeared and left a stay at home mom, pregnant with two small children to fend emotionally and financially for themselves, I think we would be able to compare more fairly.

JMO.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by n/t
BTW Shimz, Good Luck on your research. It is a fascinating topic. [/*]

I am in my last semester of college (WOOHOO!) and to tell you the truth I had never heard of Warren Jeffs or any of this before one of my teachers told us about it the first day of class in Jan. She is very interested and it is the bulk of what we talk about in class.

Pure coincidence that it is ALL OVER THE NEWS NOW lol..

but it seriously makes me sick the things that went on there..

One woman was telling a story about how her father would rape her, and she became pregnant with his child... and when these girls (around 13) become pregnant is considered "their fault" because if their "faith was strong enough, they wouldn't become pregnant", and they are punished

[Musterion]

Originally posted by Cheri_G


http://www.cherigriffiths.com/phpbb3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1000

Second post. You have to be a member to read the Francisco forum. I don't think it's been posted anywhere else.

It's an email to someone else on the board so it would be up to them to decide whether or not they want to post it here. [/*]

Thanks, Cheri. But, since I'm not a member there and you are the owner/moderator would it be possible for you to ask them if they wouldn't mind sharing it over here at IS?

If you are quoting from it would it not be fair for us to be able to see it in context?

TIA.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi Cheri,

I think I understand what you are saying about the word victim and how it is used.

Potential victim is an appropriate term for a missing person. That is a good distinction until we know what has happened to them. IMO.

I think, though, maybe not technically in a legal sense, Christine and her children are victims. The word victim is given to someone who is harmed or suffers from circumstances, usually beyond their control. Even though it seems that you don't see Christine in a favourable light, and I'm not judging you on this or why it seems you feel the way you do, isn't it fair to see that Nicholas' disappearance has made his wife and their children victims? Whether he left voluntarily or not?

As for the Stacy Peterson case. I understand that there are common denominators in missing person's cases. But, if you can cite a case that is similar to Nicholas', a husband who disappeared and left a stay at home mom, pregnant with two small children to fend emotionally and financially for themselves, I think we would be able to compare more fairly.

JMO. [/*]

According to that broader victim definition, aren't the Francisco family, Nicholas' friends and co-workers, and maybe even LE included in the harmed or suffers from circumstances population?

[Shimz]

http://newsblaze.com/story/20080414114137tsop.nb/topstory.html

Check this out, I think I saw the preview for this and that may have been 1 of them who said their father was raping her and that it was her fault for getting pregnant. Also said that the punishment was an abortion with nothing for pain...

That whole blood atonement thing is scary too...

This is very off topic .. i know..

[need2no]

Originally posted by Shimz
Hi All

I am doing a research paper about Warren Jeffs and the FDLS and the yearning for zion ranch and came across this

http://jonalynfincher.blogspot.com/2008/04/when-religion-hurts-women-yearning-for.html

When I saw that I couldn't believe it. Now, I always thought MH was a little "out there" on their rules, but I never thought they were so extreme that they could be compared to FDLS, in the fact of their strange views.

I never thought his disappearance had anything to do with the Church... now.. I guess anything is possible.

The thing about these places is that they are so PRIVATE that noone ever really knows what goes on behind the scenes... [/*]

Thanks for posting this link. It (and the additional links in the article) is a long read but well worth the time. Good luck on your research project...what a tough assignment to tackle, you will probably have nightmares. :eek:

[Shimz]

Originally posted by need2no


Thanks for posting this link. It (and the additional links in the article) is a long read but well worth the time. Good luck on your research project...what a tough assignment to tackle, you will probably have nightmares. :eek: [/*]

thanks..It is heartbreaking to know what these kids go through... no laughing... no fun...no toys... at 6 and 7 years old they are already taking care of younger family members... its horrible.. no chance to be a kid... and another 6 or 7 years they have their own kid...:(

[n/t]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


According to that broader victim definition, aren't the Francisco family, Nicholas' friends and co-workers, and maybe even LE included in the harmed or suffers from circumstances population? [/*]

There you are! I thought of you yesterday. Hope all is good. :seeya:

[n/t]

Was it ever confirmed if the house was donated by members of the Church? IIRC, MHC set up a fund for donations so I wondered if the Church was involved with donating the house as well.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by n/t


There you are! I thought of you yesterday. Hope all is good. :seeya: [/*]

Back just like a bad penny and caught up with a week's posts. It appears Nicholas is still missing with no new clues disclosed to his whereabouts, the identity of the individual found in the river in Tukwila has yet to be released, and CF considers herself divorced. Did I miss anything important? TIA

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Ah yes another support from the secret board where Nicholas is being up for sainthood and anything that doesn't fit with the perfect man is discarded. When will n/t be here she/he was the one who started me on this with the post of private posts. [/*]

Nicholas is the one that is missing.

Show me any evidence that he is NOT a great father and husband.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


Back just like a bad penny and caught up with a week's posts. It appears Nicholas is still missing with no new clues disclosed to his whereabouts, the identity of the individual found in the river in Tukwila has yet to be released, and CF considers herself divorced. Did I miss anything important? TIA [/*]

Nope, you're pretty much caught up. No news since the alleged divorce disclosure.

Nothing was printed in the notices section of the papers about the divorce so I'm guessing it's not official yet.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Shelby1


Nicholas is the one that is missing.

Show me any evidence that he is NOT a great father and husband. [/*]

He sounds like he was a great father and husband other then the secret life which could have endangered his wife and walking away from his family.

I'm just saying how I believe he came to be missing and what I believe the secret life is and why I believe it.

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

<snip>

Mrs. Francisco may not know what to do, and if she were to have a higher profile like Mrs. Garza, it might help locate Nick. Mrs. Francisco may not even know about TES - places like that.

Speaking of TES, they did a search for a 45 YO married man in Arkansas one week after his Volvo was found.

(this is John Glasgow http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=323978)

So here again this shows that TES does do searches for all kinds of missing men, women and children, students, business people, family men and women et al.

Even tho it's been a few months since Nick's car was found, there still could be a search done in that area to see if anything was missed the first time.

imo

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


He sounds like he was a great father and husband other then the secret life which could have endangered his wife and walking away from his family.

I'm just saying how I believe he came to be missing and what I believe the secret life is and why I believe it. [/*]

What secret life? No proof. Period.

[Cheri_G]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi Cheri,

I think I understand what you are saying about the word victim and how it is used.

Potential victim is an appropriate term for a missing person. That is a good distinction until we know what has happened to them. IMO.

I think, though, maybe not technically in a legal sense, Christine and her children are victims. The word victim is given to someone who is harmed or suffers from circumstances, usually beyond their control. Even though it seems that you don't see Christine in a favourable light, and I'm not judging you on this or why it seems you feel the way you do, isn't it fair to see that Nicholas' disappearance has made his wife and their children victims? Whether he left voluntarily or not?

As for the Stacy Peterson case. I understand that there are common denominators in missing person's cases. But, if you can cite a case that is similar to Nicholas', a husband who disappeared and left a stay at home mom, pregnant with two small children to fend emotionally and financially for themselves, I think we would be able to compare more fairly.

JMO. [/*]

While I think you make a reasonable argument to classify Christine and the children as victims I think its an emotional one. I don't really know how to explain what I mean well enough other than to say there people out there that are a lot less fortunate than Christine and her children despite their current circumstances. I'm not sure if that will make sense to anyone or not.

I just picked the first case that came to my mind that I know is being discussed on this board where the spouse's comments and actions were being questioned and analyzed. I don't know of another case exactly like this one off the top of my head and I don't think that its necessary for the point I was making.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Shelby1


What secret life? No proof. Period. [/*]


Huh? Well, we do not have proof, but there is indeed evidence that others have some sort of proof. LE has stated that he indeed did have a secret life. Harletohara has stated that she learned directly from Christine he had a secret life that damaged her and the kids. LE and Harletohara are two sources I pretty much trust.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Shelby1


What secret life? No proof. Period. [/*]

Well other then what LE has said over and over and what Harletohara has said ya I guess your right there is no proof.

Here is just one quoteWhat is the source of the "secret life" information? Did Christine inform LE? Did someone else, if so who - not who as in giving us names, but a "reliable source" etc.? Or was it based on information that was discovered through your investigation? Discovered by me

From here http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dcbh2vh8_12chs2qchq##leemails

[Cheri_G]

Originally posted by Musterion


Thanks, Cheri. But, since I'm not a member there and you are the owner/moderator would it be possible for you to ask them if they wouldn't mind sharing it over here at IS?

If you are quoting from it would it not be fair for us to be able to see it in context?

TIA. [/*]

I PM'd the person right after I posted to you , and when I hear back I'll let you know. :)

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Cheri_G


While I think you make a reasonable argument to classify Christine and the children as victims I think its an emotional one. I don't really know how to explain what I mean well enough other than to say there people out there that are a lot less fortunate than Christine and her children despite their current circumstances. I'm not sure if that will make sense to anyone or not.

I just picked the first case that came to my mind that I know is being discussed on this board where the spouse's comments and actions were being questioned and analyzed. I don't know of another case exactly like this one off the top of my head and I don't think that its necessary for the point I was making. [/*]




In social science and psychology, indirect victims of crime and sexual abuse, are known as secondary victims. These are people such as the friends and families of the victims themselves.

It doesn't appear you have much sympathy for Christine and her children, by your statement that there are alot less fortunate than Christine and her children. You should do some research on the trauma of what they have been through, you might learn something.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Well other then what LE has said over and over and what Harletohara has said ya I guess your right there is no proof.

Here is just one quote

From here http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dcbh2vh8_12chs2qchq##leemails [/*]

Well, I could say that I'm the Pope. We all know I'm not.

Let's deal in facts.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by CAT TOY


Nope that is it, except it seems that no one but strangers are lookiing for Nicholas. :eek: I do not get it; but I hope he is alive and his family knows this. It's the only explanation I can reasonably come up with. His sisters will not answer their myspace/facebook actts, regarding simple short notes, please can you help to stop the speculation; do you know he is alive?
No answer.

CT [/*]

IIRC, CF was expecting a third child on an earlier occasion and Nicholas did not turn up missing. The alleged secret from CF activities are purported to have a two-year history and Nicholas did not turn up missing. IF Nicholas is missing due to his own initiative(s), what is the trigger? The one recent change known in the Francisco's life is a church resignation and perhaps a financial crisis, IMO.
jmo

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Shelby1


Well, I could say that I'm the Pope. We all know I'm not.

Let's deal in facts. [/*]

In that case we have not a single fact not even that he is missing or even that he is a good husband. We can't even prove that he exists.

[desmom]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


But what about those cute kids of his. Breaks my heart even more to think of them growing up in poverty and with out their father, too. Guess I just strange that way. I'm way to practical I guess. [/*]

Poverty?

CF has a college degree.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by desmom


Poverty?

CF has a college degree. [/*]

In photography and graphics which unless you are in the top 5 to 10% will get you a job at a paint store. It wouldn't even qualify her for an office job.

I seem to remember that it was her husband that did all to the graphics for her. Though I could be wrong.

Well paying jobs in photography and/or graphics especially in Seattle aren't that easy to come by.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


In that case we have not a single fact not even that he is missing or even that he is a good husband. We can't even prove that he exists. [/*]

Don't piss the Pope off.

[carterkatt]

Originally posted by desmom


Poverty?

CF has a college degree. [/*]

the Art Degree: a 2 yr degree, like an AA, or a 4 yr degree like a Bachelor's Degree??

Or, even a 2 yr degree like a trade school??
TIA

[Cury-us Coyote]

Nicholas was expected home approx 7-7:30 PM or later, depending upon traffic. It is unknown what private actions CF took that evening, IMO. CF may have solicited a friend to drive NF’s normal route, if she worried about a traffic accident. It’s dark, CF did this and that, called them and those, still can’t find NF, he’s not answering his cell (if she called), the oven is preheated, and the kids are disappointed. By 10PM, something or someone triggered a decision to involve professional help, IMO. Apparently CF’s instincts were correct and NF has disappeared.

Let’s assume Nicholas has an alleged, unspecified, legal, second/secret life interest or hobby. Apparently tardiness resulting from this two year-old element of Nicholas’ life (unknown to CF) did not raise concerns until that fateful day in February. Was the plus or minus 3-hour absence the only factor prompting the report of a missing person? If NF was late every 2nd Wednesday of the month and this pattern became apparent on February 13th, would a reactionary person call 911 or wait to confront him?
jmo

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


In photography and graphics which unless you are in the top 5 to 10% will get you a job at a paint store. It wouldn't even qualify her for an office job.

I seem to remember that it was her husband that did all to the graphics for her. Though I could be wrong.

Well paying jobs in photography and/or graphics especially in Seattle aren't that easy to come by. [/*]

I used to work in the graphics art field in the suburbs of New York City where the pay has always been relatively high for these kinds of jobs. I have freelanced for publishing companies, printing companies and type houses. Believe me, the graphic arts is a notoriously low-paying field, only some make good money. And to make that good money you almost always start out with low pay and then have to prove yourself, which takes time.

[Cheri_G]

Originally posted by zenharmony19





In social science and psychology, indirect victims of crime and sexual abuse, are known as secondary victims. These are people such as the friends and families of the victims themselves.

It doesn't appear you have much sympathy for Christine and her children, by your statement that there are alot less fortunate than Christine and her children. You should do some research on the trauma of what they have been through, you might learn something. [/*]

As I'd said, I couldn't find the words to explain it well enough. However, I would point out that you don't have to consider somebody a victim to have sympathy for them and their circumstances.

I do feel bad for the children. Their daddy is missing and they've been uprooted from their home suddenly and unexpectedly. I imagine its all quite scary for them.

[desmom]

Originally posted by carterkatt


the Art Degree: a 2 yr degree, like an AA, or a 4 yr degree like a Bachelor's Degree??

Or, even a 2 yr degree like a trade school??
TIA [/*]

:seeya:

I found a google cached page from her myspace dated 3/24/08.

Under Details, she lists "college graduate". Under Schools, she lists Degree: Other; Major: Graphic Design; Minor: Photography. She is listed as an alumni member.

Locally, it is not uncommon to find people working outside their field of study.

jmo

[carterkatt]

Originally posted by desmom


:seeya:

I found a google cached page from her myspace dated 3/24/08.

Under Details, she lists "college graduate". Under Schools, she lists Degree: Other; Major: Graphic Design; Minor: Photography. She is listed as an alumni member.

Locally, it is not uncommon to find people working outside their field of study.

jmo [/*]

I may be totally wrong, but I thought I remembered from somewhere, no idea where (sorry, no link) that she had 2 yrs of college... she may call that a "degree" - I don't know. I may be incorrect.

Guess it doesn't even matter.. unless she's trying to be deceptive. I think when people say "college degree" that most people assume that means a Bachelor's Degree.

[Cheri_G]

Musterion,

Here is the email you asked to see:

-----Original Message-----
From: Sheriff [mailto:sheriff@kingcounty.gov]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:18 AM
To: Lisa
Subject: RE: John Urquhart

Our investigation of the disappearance of Nicholas Francisco is continuing.

At this point we have absolutely no evidence that would lead us to believe he was the victim of foul play. No physical evidence, no lifestyle indications, and no associations that would lead us to believe he was a victim.

Did he leave voluntarily? Perhaps. Information has come to light that he was keeping some secrets from his wife, and she has now declined to do any further media interviews.

So the bottom line is we don’t know what happened to him.

I can’t tell you whether to put up the posters or not, but I wouldn’t want you to spend too much of your hard-earned money either!

So there you go…..

Sgt. John Urquhart
Sheriff's Office Administration
King County Sheriff's Office
(206) 296-7528

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
cheri's right, marriage disolve every day. We dont run around calling the spouses all victims.....CF presented her self, in a most uncaring and selfish way to the public, as the victim, when Nicholas most likely needed ppl the most. How, Hurtful, would that be? Yes, lets look into that....

Sorry we already have. It hurts to find out you are not really loved. I think everyone knows that; but for CF to "play" on that, and the publics sympathy is a whole other story, all together. It does not; shed her in a good light. [/*]

Having your husband suddenly disappear is not the same as getting a divorce. You can't compare the two.

[Hedda Lettis]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


But what about those cute kids of his. Breaks my heart even more to think of them growing up in poverty and with out their father, too. Guess I just strange that way. I'm way to practical I guess. [/*]

The children have TWO sets of grandparents plus other extended family. Do you think that they would allow the children grow up in poverty?

[Shimz]

Originally posted by carterkatt


I may be totally wrong, but I thought I remembered from somewhere, no idea where (sorry, no link) that she had 2 yrs of college... she may call that a "degree" - I don't know. I may be incorrect.

Guess it doesn't even matter.. unless she's trying to be deceptive. I think when people say "college degree" that most people assume that means a Bachelor's Degree. [/*]

Don't jump on me but judging by some other things she has called herself "entrepreneur, business woman" it seems she may embellish her status a little.. until it comes to asking for money then she is a poor SAHM

edited for spelling

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by CAT TOY

Ugh, where ever did you get that from? I've stated already that I've lived this, so who better to know exactly how both parties feel? Ive been on both sides of this equation. I dont believe that he walked away. I believe he was harmed. You dont divorce your husband when you think he's dead in the water. Which is it Cf? Dead in the water, or missing? [/*]

I don't know your situation. But I do know that when people get divorced there is some closure, there is certainty, there are settlements.

Cat Toy, come on, she is not you, how can you know how she would react in the same situation you were in??

Why is it hard to understand that Christine went from thinking Nicholas would never leave her, to finding evidence of a *secret life* and the possibility of his walking away???

Christine was advised to start divorce proceedings for the good of both her and the children.


IMO, MOO

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Hedda Lettis


The children have TWO sets of grandparents plus other extended family. Do you think that they would allow the children grow up in poverty? [/*]

You're probably right in that the kids may not grow up in poverty, however I have seen plenty families where the parents/sisters/ etc. had money and the mother and babies were on welfare without much help at all.

The families didn't help her with a place to live, apparently. So I don't think it's exactly easy street for Christine.

[need2no]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Check this out: along time ago, in the beg of this nightmare, there were entries on her facebook about who could drink who under the table. Yet, as we all know on the famous leaves toast in the toaster sheet; his bio sheet if you will, the main info that was sent everywhere on him, said and I quote:
Never seen drunk in public.

Again, which is it? Can drink you under the table, or never seen drunk in public? again, we have a conflict. Too many conflicts in a persons statements, leads to much suspicion in my eyes. No doubt about THAT.
Cat [/*]

CF's Photobucket account would seem to imply she might indulge a bit. Frankly I can't imagine why someone would post pics like that if they didn't indulge. Just saying......

[Shimz]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


I don't know your situation. But I do know that when people get divorced there is some closure, there is certainty, there are settlements.

Cat Toy, come on, she is not you, how can you know how she would react in the same situation you were in??

Why is it hard to understand that Christine went from thinking Nicholas would never leave her, to finding evidence of a *secret life* and the possibility of his walking away???

Christine was advised to start divorce proceedings for the good of both her and the children.


IMO, MOO [/*]

my question is why though? All of a sudden they uncover some "secret" life, then it is in her best interest to divorce him. IMO something happened, i really do not think it is out of fear of him coming back and taking the kids. That would also mean they have good reason to believe he is alive if they think he might come back...

I mean, when someone is missing is it really a priority to divorce them unless something is known about it?

Seems strange IMO

[desmom]

Originally posted by Shimz


my question is why though? All of a sudden they uncover some "secret" life, then it is in her best interest to divorce him. IMO something happened, i really do not think it is out of fear of him coming back and taking the kids. That would also mean they have good reason to believe he is alive if they think he might come back...

I mean, when someone is missing is it really a priority to divorce them unless something is known about it?

Seems strange IMO [/*]

The only thing I can come up with is she is afraid NF will run up a bunch of debts while he is missing.

jmo

[Shimz]

Originally posted by desmom


The only thing I can come up with is she is afraid NF will run up a bunch of debts while he is missing.

jmo [/*]

That would mean she thinks/knows he's alive, no?

[Shimz]

maybe he had some credit cards she didn't know about and ran up debt there? jmo

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Shimz


my question is why though? All of a sudden they uncover some "secret" life, then it is in her best interest to divorce him. IMO something happened, i really do not think it is out of fear of him coming back and taking the kids. That would also mean they have good reason to believe he is alive if they think he might come back...

I mean, when someone is missing is it really a priority to divorce them unless something is known about it?

Seems strange IMO [/*]

I don't know I always thought it was because of her financial situation. In case Nicholas is still alive and running up debts, and also best for Christine to prevent total destruction of her credit.

Maybe she had a choice between legal separation and divorce and she was so mad she decided to do the divorce.

Or maybe she did find evidence he was having some kind of fling(s) and that led her to the divorce.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by desmom


The only thing I can come up with is she is afraid NF will run up a bunch of debts while he is missing.

jmo [/*]

But isn't financial activity exactly what LE is watching for to locate Nicholas?

[desmom]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
shes already SUNK in that dept, you know what I mean? Really. And she is. Even divorcing him, she will be liable for 1/2 of all debts incurred before the date he went missing, nothing after....legally there is too much proof that they were seperated after Feb 13. of this year. Creditors could never make that fly in this case....but everything before? Forgetaboutit.
Even when a family court judge orders a spouse to pay? in the end, family court cannot inforce that judgement from a family court judge. It just doesnt work that way.
So knowing accts rec, this is not an excuse that fly's with me either. It doesnt matter at this point. My point is, she says he is missing, is he missing or did her marriage just fail, and this was how she reacted to him leaving her? In a very help me I'm helpless public sort of way?? The mammadramma I call it. Histrionic type behavoir. Never about Nicholas, never pushing to find him. It's as if everyone has thrown up their arms and said
So What, Nick Is just gone, Deal with it?

When most loving spouses here, really know the deal, we'd be camped out on the steps of LE and on Media demanding the public help find his body. But no, that is NOT happening here.
Why, has he been located?
CT [/*]

Yep the creditors can and will seek out CF for the debts incurred during the marriage.

IMO, this whole thing does not make sense!

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


But what about those cute kids of his. Breaks my heart even more to think of them growing up in poverty and with out their father, too. Guess I just strange that way. I'm way to practical I guess. [/*]

Well....what about those cute kids? So, if Nicholas is dead somewhere....shame on him! He's a crud for dying and not staying alive to support those cute kids? I can't even believe what I read sometimes.

Those cute kids have a mother who can also help provide for them. Ever think about that? Women do it every day! They've got grandparents too. And aunts. So what about those cute kids? Was/Is Nicholas their only lifeline? Breaks my heart that they may never see or play with daddy again. I don't think women have to be so helpless. I'm way too practical I guess, so if I didn't have a man around to "support my cute kids", I'd get out and do it myself! Women do it every day in every town across the country. Guess I'm just strange that way.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Nellie


Well....what about those cute kids? So, if Nicholas is dead somewhere....shame on him! He's a crud for dying and not staying alive to support those cute kids? I can't even believe what I read sometimes.

Those cute kids have a mother who can also help provide for them. Ever think about that? Women do it every day! They've got grandparents too. And aunts. So what about those cute kids? Was/Is Nicholas their only lifeline? Breaks my heart that they may never see or play with daddy again. I don't think women have to be so helpless. I'm way too practical I guess, so if I didn't have a man around to "support my cute kids", I'd get out and do it myself! Women do it every day in every town across the country. Guess I'm just strange that way. [/*]

Wow you sound really bitter I'm sorry for what ever has caused this in your life.

[Shimz]

yes i can see debt that he may have ran up while together... but if he is running up debt now and LE knows this, wouldn't they know where he was buying things or having things mailed or whatever? even a P.O. box they could wait for him at... just seems that the divorce is bc whatever she found out, she was M-A-D! JMOO

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by desmom


The only thing I can come up with is she is afraid NF will run up a bunch of debts while he is missing.

jmo [/*]

Or maybe she has found proof that he has committed adultery. Since she is a Christian this is the one Biblical reason for divorce.

[Maranatha]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


But isn't financial activity exactly what LE is watching for to locate Nicholas? [/*]

If he "went missing" on his own, LE would not have any business in locating him. Nor would anyone else.

JMO.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Wow you sound really bitter I'm sorry for what ever has caused this in your life. [/*]

How does she sound bitter? did you read carefully, she is saying IF he was dead, would you say that was his fault to? Would he be considered terrible for leaving his family then?

Seriously, you can't depend on someone to take care of you the rest of your life. You always need to be prepared in case something happens, you can't think that someone is always going to be there for you to pay the bills and hold your hand every step of your life...

Sometimes you just do what you have to do.. and plenty of people do it every day... you can't not do something because "you don't want to" or "he was supposed to take care of me my whole life"...

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
shes already SUNK in that dept, you know what I mean? Really. And she is. Even divorcing him, she will be liable for 1/2 of all debts incurred before the date he went missing, nothing after....legally there is too much proof that they were seperated after Feb 13. of this year. Creditors could never make that fly in this case....but everything before? Forgetaboutit.
Even when a family court judge orders a spouse to pay? in the end, family court cannot inforce that judgement from a family court judge. It just doesnt work that way.
So knowing accts rec, this is not an excuse that fly's with me either. It doesnt matter at this point. My point is, she says he is missing, is he missing or did her marriage just fail, and this was how she reacted to him leaving her? In a very help me I'm helpless public sort of way?? The mammadramma I call it. Histrionic type behavoir. Never about Nicholas, never pushing to find him. It's as if everyone has thrown up their arms and said
So What, Nick Is just gone, Deal with it?
When most loving spouses here, really know the deal, we'd be camped out on the steps of LE and on Media demanding the public help find his body. But no, that is NOT happening here.
Why, has he been located?
CT [/*]


I would love to hear a take on Christine's financial situation from a lawyer.

I know you are not comfortable with what you perceive to be Christine's personality type, but you know there is a match for everyone. Christine and Nicholas were married for 7 years. There was something that kept them together. If she didn't care about him, why were they together at all??

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Maranatha


If he "went missing" on his own, LE would not have any business in locating him. Nor would anyone else.

JMO. [/*]

Wouldn't Christine?

They have spent how much time and energy on this case, I think they would want a conclusion... I think they would want to make sure it is actually him and not someone using his SSN or credit cards or something at the very least..

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Shimz


How does she sound bitter? did you read carefully, she is saying IF he was dead, would you say that was his fault to? Would he be considered terrible for leaving his family then?

Seriously, you can't depend on someone to take care of you the rest of your life. You always need to be prepared in case something happens, you can't think that someone is always going to be there for you to pay the bills and hold your hand every step of your life...

Sometimes you just do what you have to do.. and plenty of people do it every day... you can't not do something because "you don't want to" or "he was supposed to take care of me my whole life"... [/*]

Sorry I'm just 99% sure that he isn't dead. From all the the things the LE are saying lately doesn't sound like they think he is dead either. Time to quit looking in the water and looking in the wet places I guess.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Sorry I'm just 99% sure that he isn't dead. From all the the things the LE are saying lately doesn't sound like they think he is dead either. Time to quit looking in the water and looking in the wet places I guess. [/*]

I think, SD, if you are so sure maybe you should go looking for him in these places then. You seem to be quite sure you know where he is and what he is doing, go get him

[Nellie]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


You're probably right in that the kids may not grow up in poverty, however I have seen plenty families where the parents/sisters/ etc. had money and the mother and babies were on welfare without much help at all.

The families didn't help her with a place to live, apparently. So I don't think it's exactly easy street for Christine. [/*]

How do you know they didn't help her with a place to live?
Do you know who provided the free housing?

Maybe the extended family even tried to help her by telling her to stay in the home they owned but she would not listen to their advice. We just do not know. But I do know that oftentimes family will advise another family member and then they go against that advice and do what they want anyway.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Shimz


That would mean she thinks/knows he's alive, no? [/*]

Maybe after finding the info on the secret life she does think he is alive but just can't find him.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Nellie


How do you know they didn't help her with a place to live?
Do you know who provided the free housing?

Maybe the extended family even tried to help her by telling her to stay in the home they owned but she would not listen to their advice. We just do not know. But I do know that oftentimes family will advise another family member and then they go against that advice and do what they want anyway. [/*]

I don't know what happened. But she did post asking for a place to live on the SupportingChristine.com blog (I think it was). If her family offered to have them live with her I really don't think she would have done that.

I have to base my beliefs on the most likely possible scenario, from the evidence available to me.

[Hedda Lettis]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


You're probably right in that the kids may not grow up in poverty, however I have seen plenty families where the parents/sisters/ etc. had money and the mother and babies were on welfare without much help at all.

The families didn't help her with a place to live, apparently. So I don't think it's exactly easy street for Christine. [/*]

The families might not have had a dwelling available that would have met with Christine's specifications.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Wow you sound really bitter I'm sorry for what ever has caused this in your life. [/*]

Really? In what way?

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Hedda Lettis


The families might not have had a dwelling available that would have met with Christine's specifications. [/*]

;)

[Maranatha]

Originally posted by Shimz


Wouldn't Christine?

They have spent how much time and energy on this case, I think they would want a conclusion... I think they would want to make sure it is actually him and not someone using his SSN or credit cards or something at the very least.. [/*]

It is not the business of LE if an able-minded adult wants to disappear.

Of course his wife would want to know -- but that would be personal, would you not agree?

Good Lord, I wish people would make up their minds about the boderlines regarding intrusion of the government.

In Seattle, there's great outcry again the "red light cameras". Invasion of privacy, which, IMO if you're out in pubic you have no right to.

If NF ran away, sobeit. He's of age, nor is he considered vulnerable. If LE has concluded that he left on his own, who here could say no to that and want more done? Except for their own confirmation, whether its their business or not.

How much big brother do you want your life?

He can do what he wants.

From ---> A foul play believer to he waked.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


I don't know what happened. But she did post asking for a place to live on the SupportingChristine.com blog (I think it was). If her family offered to have them live with her I really don't think she would have done that.

I have to base my beliefs on the most likely possible scenario, from the evidence available to me. [/*]

Honestly, it wouldn't be a stretch for me to imagine her turning down living with family members. By the way, the only family member of her's I've ever heard about was her sister. Do you know anything about her parents? Are they still living?

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Hedda Lettis


The families might not have had a dwelling available that would have met with Christine's specifications. [/*]

How many bedrooms do you think is adequate for a woman with 3 children? She asked for a 3 bedroom apt. or a 2 bedroom with a den, didn't she? In a few months she will have 3 children, with only a two bedroom apartment she would have 3 children in one bedroom. Isn't that a bit tight? It's not how I live.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Maranatha


It is not the business of LE if an able-minded adult wants to disappear.

Of course his wife would want to know -- but that would be personal, would you not agree?

Good Lord, I wish people would make up their minds about the boderlines regarding intrusion of the government.

In Seattle, there's great outcry again the "red light cameras". Invasion of privacy, which, IMO if you're out in pubic you have no right to.

If NF ran away, sobeit. He's of age, nor is he considered vulnerable. If LE has concluded that he left on his own, who here could say no to that and want more done? Except for their own confirmation, whether its their business or not.

How much big brother do you want your life?

He can do what he wants.

From ---> A foul play believer to he waked. [/*]

I understand what you mean, and yes we should have rights to privacy... but I also think that if this much time and money is being dedicated to finding you then if you are ok somewhere, you should let someone know as to not waste their time...

I don't think they could or would stop looking for him until they know for a fact he is alive, because he could be dead somewhere and they would need/want to find him...

So as long as he just gave a call and said "hey I'm ok, and that is all I'm going to tell you" that would be fine..

Not too much to ask, no?

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Maranatha


It is not the business of LE if an able-minded adult wants to disappear.

Of course his wife would want to know -- but that would be personal, would you not agree?

Good Lord, I wish people would make up their minds about the boderlines regarding intrusion of the government.

In Seattle, there's great outcry again the "red light cameras". Invasion of privacy, which, IMO if you're out in pubic you have no right to.

If NF ran away, sobeit. He's of age, nor is he considered vulnerable. If LE has concluded that he left on his own, who here could say no to that and want more done? Except for their own confirmation, whether its their business or not.

How much big brother do you want your life?

He can do what he wants.

From ---> A foul play believer to he waked. [/*]

If LE found proof that he left on his own, they'd take him off of the Missing Person list. They'd close the case. I'd chalk it up to a personal matter and be done with it.

But they say they are still investigating. So at this point he is still a "missing person".

Remember, Christine got "big brother" involved in the first place.
So, if she knows Nicholas is alive and where he is and what is going on....then she needs to tell "big brother" and show them the proof and be done with it.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
IT's what most ppl DO in a transition period. Not this one though. 2 1/2 bedrooms would certainly be adequate. What do you think bunk beds are for anyway? Put the newborn in your bedroom the kids in the other, GMAB!!!! Yeah, I see exactly what her priorites are here.....

someone give me a house Please!! I cant Live in An Apt
Oh The Horror *hand on forehead*
:thud: [/*]

Where I'm from, a 2 bedroom with den is equivalent to a 2 1/2 bedroom apartment. That's what Christine asked for.

She also needs a place to sew and made soap, etc. for her business, which is why she may have hoped for the 3 bedroom.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


How many bedrooms do you think is adequate for a woman with 3 children? She asked for a 3 bedroom apt. or a 2 bedroom with a den, didn't she? In a few months she will have 3 children, with only a two bedroom apartment she would have 3 children in one bedroom. Isn't that a bit tight? It's not how I live. [/*]

Who is paying for how you live????

Adequate? Well, I came from a family with 6 kids. The house we grew up in had a total of 3 bedrooms. That is 2 bedrooms for 6 kids to grow up in. We made do. We never had a bedroom of our own. We never had any privacy. But my parents did the best they could do and we made it work.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Nellie


If LE found proof that he left on his own, they'd take him off of the Missing Person list. They'd close the case. I'd chalk it up to a personal matter and be done with it.

But they say they are still investigating. So at this point he is still a "missing person".

Remember, Christine got "big brother" involved in the first place.
So, if she knows Nicholas is alive and where he is and what is going on....then she needs to tell "big brother" and show them the proof and be done with it. [/*]

They could have reason to believe he walked but until they have proof that he did walk away they can't close the case.

At the time police were call no one had the info about the secret life so there was more reason to think foul play, but then the car is found and it shows no sign of foul play. No reason for anyone to harm Nicholas is found but just a secret life which could be a reason to leave.

[desmom]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Or maybe she has found proof that he has committed adultery. Since she is a Christian this is the one Biblical reason for divorce. [/*]

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showpost.php?p=196180&postcount=193 states it is for legal reasons.

:shrug:

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Nellie


Who is paying for how you live????

Adequate? Well, I came from a family with 6 kids. The house we grew up in had a total of 3 bedrooms. That is 2 bedrooms for 6 kids to grow up in. We made do. We never had a bedroom of our own. We never had any privacy. But my parents did the best they could do and we made it work. [/*]
Sounds like Christine is doing the best she can under horrible circumstances. All she did was ask if anyone had a place she could afford and a kind hearted person gave her one. I think it is wonderful that some people still have a heart for woman and their children.

Sorry you had it so hard growing up.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by desmom


http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showpost.php?p=196180&postcount=193 states it is for legal reasons.

:shrug: [/*]

Doesn't mean it is the only reason. Could be she might have waited if it wasn't for the legal.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Nellie


Who is paying for how you live????

Adequate? Well, I came from a family with 6 kids. The house we grew up in had a total of 3 bedrooms. That is 2 bedrooms for 6 kids to grow up in. We made do. We never had a bedroom of our own. We never had any privacy. But my parents did the best they could do and we made it work. [/*]

I'm sorry you had to grow up without enough space, I didn't have to live like that, I shared a bedroom with a brother until I was 10, then I had my own room.

But your post illustrates my point. We all grew up under different circumstances and therefore have different expectations and comfort levels. I would find it hard to share a room, you probably wouldn't. Hey, my husband grew up with 6 brothers and sisters, in a very small house too! The consequence: I need space, he likes tight quarters! It's a real problem.

In any event, what we need and expect, does not make us bad people.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


I'm sorry you had to grow up without enough space, I didn't have to live like that, I shared a bedroom with a brother until I was 10, then I had my own room.

But your post illustrates my point. We all grew up under different circumstances and therefore have different expectations and comfort levels. I would find it hard to share a room, you probably wouldn't. Hey, my husband grew up with 6 brothers and sisters, in a very small house too! The consequence: I need space, he likes tight quarters! It's a real problem.

In any event, what we need and expect, does not make us bad people. [/*]

True. But the point was......sometimes you have to adjust your needs or expectations based on what YOU can do....not counting on others to fulfill those needs and expectations.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by Shimz


I understand what you mean, and yes we should have rights to privacy... but I also think that if this much time and money is being dedicated to finding you then if you are ok somewhere, you should let someone know as to not waste their time...

I don't think they could or would stop looking for him until they know for a fact he is alive, because he could be dead somewhere and they would need/want to find him...

So as long as he just gave a call and said "hey I'm ok, and that is all I'm going to tell you" that would be fine..

Not too much to ask, no? [/*]

IMO, LE has concerns if a false police report was filed which requires verification.
jmo

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

Sounds like Christine is doing the best she can under horrible circumstances. All she did was ask if anyone had a place she could afford and a kind hearted person gave her one. I think it is wonderful that some people still have a heart for woman and their children.

Sorry you had it so hard growing up. [/*]

Not a hard life at all. I guess we might have been considered "poor" by other's standards, but we sure didn't know it. LOL! Our parents provided for our needs and even some of our wants!

But this isn't about me, is it?

Yes, bless the person who gave her and the children a place to live. I have to wonder for how long? Then what? I actually wasn't surprised to see someone give it to her (free), as I've seen that take place in a church setting many times before.

But, on the other hand, I've also wondered if perhaps she already had the "other house" to move into and this was a way to reveal it. I've also wondered if she's living alone with the kids....or does someone else live with them.....

[desmom]

Originally posted by Nellie


True. But the point was......sometimes you have to adjust your needs or expectations based on what YOU can do....not counting on others to fulfill those needs and expectations. [/*]

ITA! It is called living within your means.

jmo

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by CAT TOY


When I pulled up the site for resumes tonite it is clear, that looks like someone attempting to smear him. How could he possibly find work using his real name? [/*] (snipped)

From the site.. no one made this up for him.. it was automatic...
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[Hedda Lettis]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


How many bedrooms do you think is adequate for a woman with 3 children? She asked for a 3 bedroom apt. or a 2 bedroom with a den, didn't she? In a few months she will have 3 children, with only a two bedroom apartment she would have 3 children in one bedroom. Isn't that a bit tight? It's not how I live. [/*]

Well, she would likely have the new baby in her bedroom for quite a while, and could stretch that out for longer... since she doesn't have a man in her bedroom, it wouldn't be all that crowded. Of course, if she plans to live there for years . . .

Not everyone is as fortunate as you seem to be. Some people raise that many children, and more, in two-bedroom homes. Some even move in with family, but somehow I can't see Christine doing that. My impression of Christine is that she likes to rule the roost ~ even while Nicholas was there. MY IMPRESSION, IMO, MOO, etc. etc. OK?

[Musterion]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


According to that broader victim definition, aren't the Francisco family, Nicholas' friends and co-workers, and maybe even LE included in the harmed or suffers from circumstances population? [/*]

In a sense. Yes.

Society suffers when someone murders, rapes, robs, attacks, kidnaps or commits a crime against an individual/individuals. That is why, when someone is accused of a crime court papers say 'The State of _____ vs. John Doe". Because it is a crime not just against the individual but against society.

However, in this case, I find it would minimize, almost trivialize, the enormity of loss that three children have and will have for the loss of their father compared to what Nicholas' friends, co workers and especially LE would feel in being "victims" in the broader sense of Nicholas' disappearance. JMO.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Hedda Lettis


Well, she would likely have the new baby in her bedroom for quite a while, and could stretch that out for longer... since she doesn't have a man in her bedroom, it wouldn't be all that crowded. Of course, if she plans to live there for years . . .

Not everyone is as fortunate as you seem to be. Some people raise that many children, and more, in two-bedroom homes. Some even move in with family, but somehow I can't see Christine doing that. My impression of Christine is that she likes to rule the roost ~ even while Nicholas was there. MY IMPRESSION, IMO, MOO, etc. etc. OK? [/*]

I know of a family with 5 adults, 3 children and a baby who lived in a 3 bedroom apartment but I'm not sure what that has to do with finding Nicholas. More like what I said this afternoon, people would rather talk about what Christine is doing then where Nicholas might be especially if they don't like some of the suggestions.

[Maranatha]

Originally posted by Nellie


If LE found proof that he left on his own, they'd take him off of the Missing Person list. They'd close the case. I'd chalk it up to a personal matter and be done with it.

But they say they are still investigating. So at this point he is still a "missing person".

Remember, Christine got "big brother" involved in the first place.
So, if she knows Nicholas is alive and where he is and what is going on....then she needs to tell "big brother" and show them the proof and be done with it. [/*]

Do you actually know LE is still investigating?

Took King County six months before they told me my sewer rate was going up. IOW, I don't put much stock into communication.

I'm done defending Christine. But your last paragraph is puzzling and really just confirms what her defenders have said all along. She can't win for losing.

I will comment, FWIW on your statement though, she may have told "big brother", but she sure isn't under any obligation to inform anyone else.

Just my opinion.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Piffle on the sewing; she needs to get a real job.
And support her kids like most parents do. The sewing that would be a side income that would have to wait. It did not generate much income at all. Not enough to even pay an electric bill with. IMO, not conducive. There are times in your life you have to buckle down, this is one of them for that family. Pull yourself up by the bootstraps I believe is the military term....

I'd be embarrassed that my dirty laundry was aired in the public actually. And I'd never ever ask the public to help me or my kids out of a bad marriage. Asking for some help is one thng, but asking for money, donations, and not using it to search for Nick?
And then, asking the public for a house? :chicken:

Now that's holding your head up real high. The I cant work because I'm pregnant is also an issue. A huge one. Maybe Nicholas did walk. Like I said I can see a lot of reasons why he would have been very very frustrated!! Maybe nicholas walked to make her stand on her own for once in her life? and it backfired. Someone had said this type of personality sucks the life out of a person. There are shades of that; that I see that I cannot ignore. Its just one of the Facts of this case. It's on tape, all of it, mostly just ugly imo. Doesnt anyone actually have any pride left? What, if Nick was murdered by his spouse? If you compare this spouses behavior to Cindys behavior in her husbands death, you'd also have enough to indict? Possibly. I guess it all depends on the "resources available to the city" and the prosecutor. There is more in this case that would have warranted a trip downtown, as far as I'm concerned.
GMAB! hammer [/*]

I have never seen anywhere that was she was asking that the public help her out of a bad marriage. Quite the contrary IMO.

I haven't seen anywhere that stated how much she made from her business. How do we know it wasn't enough to pay the electric bill? Did I miss something?

I think the one thing that you are forgetting Cat Toy is that you really don't know how you would react until you are in the thick of it. Not many people are going to be hiring a pregnant woman with the amount of baggage that she has right now. Asking for some help to get through the pregnancy.. I, personally find NOTHING to be ashamed of for that. Unless you are saying that anyone that uses the resources of the state and/or family and friends during hard times should hold their head in shame? I am also getting the impression that anyone who does choose to be a stay at home mom is looked down at as someone who is using the husband for money. Someone who is too lazy to work. That is not true and since many of us have discussed the costs of daycare and other costs associated with the second spouse working.. there are many times that it makes more sense for them to stay home and raise the children. There is nothing wrong with a couple choosing that and neither spouse should be looked at as using the other.. since it can go either way. Raising young children is a 24/7 job.

The police have stated over and over again that they do not believe that she was involved.. nor was she aware of what Nicholas was doing on the side. It has devastated her and her children. She is pregnant. She has young children at home. She has based her ideas of life on her marriage and family and has learned that what she thought was real.. was not. I am shocked that she is able to get out of bed in the morning myself.

[inv]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Of course he needs very badly to be found to pay child support for those little ones he left behind and on the 1% chance that he ended up dead so they can get social security.

Finding him is why I keep posting what I do I hope someone sees him and lets someone know. [/*]

How did you come to estimate that there is a 1% chance Nicholas is dead and a 99% chance he is alive? The last I heard, it was 50-50 either way.

And, I thought the people who belong to those sex clubs would never say if NF had been there, so the second paragraph of your post doesn't make sense.

[Hedda Lettis]

Originally posted by zenharmony19

I would love to hear a take on Christine's financial situation from a lawyer.

I know you are not comfortable with what you perceive to be Christine's personality type, but you know there is a match for everyone. Christine and Nicholas were married for 7 years. There was something that kept them together. If she didn't care about him, why were they together at all?? [/*]


His paycheck? :D

[inv]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Sorry I'm just 99% sure that he isn't dead. From all the the things the LE are saying lately doesn't sound like they think he is dead either. Time to quit looking in the water and looking in the wet places I guess. [/*]

LE hasn't said anything lately, or have I missed something. Why don't you go to those clubs, since you know so much about them, and see if you can find him.

[inv]

Originally posted by Hedda Lettis


The families might not have had a dwelling available that would have met with Christine's specifications. [/*]

How sad that would be (sarcasm).

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by inv


How did you come to estimate that there is a 1% chance Nicholas is dead and a 99% chance he is alive? The last I heard, it was 50-50 either way.

And, I thought the people who belong to those sex clubs would never say if NF had been there, so the second paragraph of your post doesn't make sense. [/*]

Oh dear I'm not silly enough to think he is spending 24 hours a day in a club. I figure he is living with someone and they might get worried. Also if he is hanging in public dance clubs now which have very interesting fetish nights with dj and the whole thing someone there might read this and call.

And if the police are leaning more toward he walked away and have scaled back their search it surely means it is closer to 75% he walked. My personal believe is 99% to 1%

[inv]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Piffle on the sewing; she needs to get a real job.
And support her kids like most parents do. The sewing that would be a side income that would have to wait. It did not generate much income at all. Not enough to even pay an electric bill with. IMO, not conducive. There are times in your life you have to buckle down, this is one of them for that family. Pull yourself up by the bootstraps I believe is the military term....

I'd be embarrassed that my dirty laundry was aired in the public actually. And I'd never ever ask the public to help me or my kids out of a bad marriage. Asking for some help is one thng, but asking for money, donations, and not using it to search for Nick?
And then, asking the public for a house? :chicken:

Now that's holding your head up real high. The I cant work because I'm pregnant is also an issue. A huge one. Maybe Nicholas did walk. Like I said I can see a lot of reasons why he would have been very very frustrated!! Maybe nicholas walked to make her stand on her own for once in her life? and it backfired. Someone had said this type of personality sucks the life out of a person. There are shades of that; that I see that I cannot ignore. Its just one of the Facts of this case. It's on tape, all of it, mostly just ugly imo. Doesnt anyone actually have any pride left? What, if Nick was murdered by his spouse? If you compare this spouses behavior to Cindys behavior in her husbands death, you'd also have enough to indict? Possibly. I guess it all depends on the "resources available to the city" and the prosecutor. There is more in this case that would have warranted a trip downtown, as far as I'm concerned.
GMAB! hammer [/*]

:beer:

[Musterion]

Originally posted by Cheri_G


While I think you make a reasonable argument to classify Christine and the children as victims I think its an emotional one. I don't really know how to explain what I mean well enough other than to say there people out there that are a lot less fortunate than Christine and her children despite their current circumstances. I'm not sure if that will make sense to anyone or not.

I just picked the first case that came to my mind that I know is being discussed on this board where the spouse's comments and actions were being questioned and analyzed. I don't know of another case exactly like this one off the top of my head and I don't think that its necessary for the point I was making. [/*]

I do think I understand what you are saying. There are others who seem to be worse off then Christine and her children. And that is true. I know people who are. I understand that.

Yes, my classification of Christine and her children is partially an emotional one. I can't think of Nicholas or Christine or her children without some emotion.

As for picking the first case that came to mind, I do understand that and was not trying to provoke defensiveness. My point is that there are few if any cases like this one. It is comparing apples and oranges for the most part, IMO, to compare a pregnant stay at home mother with two small children dependent on her SO to a man who is the major wage earner whose wife goes missing. It does not seem fair to me. It does not seem logical to me.

The closest case I can come to as somewhat equal to Nicholas' was the John Delatte case. His wifes' friends appealed for money for her living expenses immediately. She was a sahm, had two children at home and was pregnant. That case I could understand comparing to this case. JMO.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Hedda Lettis



His paycheck? :D [/*]

Hopefully you don't benefit from your spouses employment or the same could be said of you.

My ex pays child support and if he didn't I would take him to court and make him. My kids just must be a support check to me.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Hedda Lettis


Well, she would likely have the new baby in her bedroom for quite a while, and could stretch that out for longer... since she doesn't have a man in her bedroom, it wouldn't be all that crowded. Of course, if she plans to live there for years . . .

Not everyone is as fortunate as you seem to be. Some people raise that many children, and more, in two-bedroom homes. Some even move in with family, but somehow I can't see Christine doing that. My impression of Christine is that she likes to rule the roost ~ even while Nicholas was there. MY IMPRESSION, IMO, MOO, etc. etc. OK? [/*]

My life was not so great. I come from a very dysfunctional family. I would much rather have shared a bedroom with 2 or more siblings and had a better family environment.

You know I read a study somewhere, sometime, a long time ago, and I have no links but the results were interesting. According to this study, in 1 out of every 4 marriages the woman "rules the roost". And "rules the roost" means, from what I remember, makes the major decisions. This does not necessarily mean that the wife dominates everything, but it could I suppose. What it definitely does mean is that even if both husband and wife talk and discuss decisions, when the *final* decision is actually made, it is the wife who decides.

So a woman ruling the roost is not so uncommon at all, from my knowledge.

IMO

[inv]

Originally posted by Maranatha


Do you actually know LE is still investigating?

Took King County six months before they told me my sewer rate was going up. IOW, I don't put much stock into communication.

I'm done defending Christine. But your last paragraph is puzzling and really just confirms what her defenders have said all along. She can't win for losing.

I will comment, FWIW on your statement though, she may have told "big brother", but she sure isn't under any obligation to inform anyone else.

Just my opinion. [/*]

I know for a fact LE are still invesitgating.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Oh dear I'm not silly enough to think he is spending 24 hours a day in a club. I figure he is living with someone and they might get worried. Also if he is hanging in public dance clubs now which have very interesting fetish nights with dj and the whole thing someone there might read this and call.

And if the police are leaning more toward he walked away and have scaled back their search it surely means it is closer to 75% he walked. My personal believe is 99% to 1% [/*]

After reading what you said about Wet Spot today... I went looking around on the internet. It seemed like the events with that place are more "events" and not some random thing that you could just go do at any given lunch hour. Am I misunderstanding?

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by inv


LE hasn't said anything lately, or have I missed something. Why don't you go to those clubs, since you know so much about them, and see if you can find him. [/*]

Are you going to pay the fees for me? If you are I'll check how much it will cost and let you know. At this point in my life I'm having to live within my means and there isn't the $100 to $200 I would need to be there enough to maybe find him.

Eta: make that $200 to $400 because I would really rather take my husband then go alone. I hate going out alone don't you?

[inv]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I have never seen anywhere that was she was asking that the public help her out of a bad marriage. Quite the contrary IMO.

I haven't seen anywhere that stated how much she made from her business. How do we know it wasn't enough to pay the electric bill? Did I miss something?

I think the one thing that you are forgetting Cat Toy is that you really don't know how you would react until you are in the thick of it. Not many people are going to be hiring a pregnant woman with the amount of baggage that she has right now. Asking for some help to get through the pregnancy.. I, personally find NOTHING to be ashamed of for that. Unless you are saying that anyone that uses the resources of the state and/or family and friends during hard times should hold their head in shame? I am also getting the impression that anyone who does choose to be a stay at home mom is looked down at as someone who is using the husband for money. Someone who is too lazy to work. That is not true and since many of us have discussed the costs of daycare and other costs associated with the second spouse working.. there are many times that it makes more sense for them to stay home and raise the children. There is nothing wrong with a couple choosing that and neither spouse should be looked at as using the other.. since it can go either way. Raising young children is a 24/7 job.

The police have stated over and over again that they do not believe that she was involved.. nor was she aware of what Nicholas was doing on the side. It has devastated her and her children. She is pregnant. She has young children at home. She has based her ideas of life on her marriage and family and has learned that what she thought was real.. was not. I am shocked that she is able to get out of bed in the morning myself. [/*]

Well, since you have made this post, I guess you the truth behind his disappearance and what the secrets were that he is keeping from Christine, so why don't you tell us. I think playing 1st grade games if you say there is a secret, but you don't say what that secret is.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


After reading what you said about Wet Spot today... I went looking around on the internet. It seemed like the events with that place are more "events" and not some random thing that you could just go do at any given lunch hour. Am I misunderstanding? [/*]
Well I know for sure Tuesdays are open during the day. I'm not sure how much of the other times it is.

[inv]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Are you going to pay the fees for me? If you are I'll check how much it will cost and let you know. At this point in my life I'm having to live within my means and there isn't the $100 to $200 I would need to be there enough to maybe find him.

Eta: make that $200 to $400 because I would really rather take my husband then go alone. I hate going out alone don't you? [/*]

If you'll go, I'll pay. First, though, you have to make me believe he is there.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by inv


Well, since you have made this post, I guess you the truth behind his disappearance and what the secrets were that he is keeping from Christine, so why don't you tell us. I think pleaing 1st grade games if you say there is a secret, but you don't say what that secret is. [/*]

If I knew the truth behind his disappearance than I wouldn't be here.. would I? I would be out looking for him where I knew that he was.

I am only seeking the truth.

The secret life has been verified by the police unless you believe that your fellow Cheri poster made them up? I also believe Harlett when she says that Christine was devastated by it.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Maranatha


Do you actually know LE is still investigating?

Took King County six months before they told me my sewer rate was going up. IOW, I don't put much stock into communication.

I'm done defending Christine. But your last paragraph is puzzling and really just confirms what her defenders have said all along. She can't win for losing.

I will comment, FWIW on your statement though, she may have told "big brother", but she sure isn't under any obligation to inform anyone else.

Just my opinion. [/*]

LE says they're still investigating....so I took them at their word.

And I didn't say she is under any obligation to inform ME!
I was speaking of her informing LE if she's heard from him...so they can close the case.

What was wrong with my last paragraph???? :shrug:

[inv]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


If I knew the truth behind his disappearance than I wouldn't be here.. would I? I would be out looking for him where I knew that he was.

I am only seeking the truth.

The secret life has been verified by the police unless you believe that your fellow Cheri poster made them up? I also believe Harlett when she says that Christine was devastated by it. [/*]

Well, nothing against you personally, I am generally speaking, I am tired of having to read about the secret life. I don't know what that means, so until I get more info on it, it does not play into anything, imo. BTW, Nicholas was keeping secrets from Christine and left a paper trail going back a few years. I don't recall reading 'secret life' in any of the emails on CHer's board nor in any of the emails I have received from King County. The term 'secret life' is manufacutured until LE says different.

Also, I fully and without question support Cheri and her efforts.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Are you going to pay the fees for me? If you are I'll check how much it will cost and let you know. At this point in my life I'm having to live within my means and there isn't the $100 to $200 I would need to be there enough to maybe find him.

Eta: make that $200 to $400 because I would really rather take my husband then go alone. I hate going out alone don't you? [/*]

Nicholas only had $50.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by inv


Well, nothing against you personally, I am generally speaking, I am tired of having to read about the secret life. I don't know what that means, so until I get more info on it, it does not play into anything, imo. BTW, Nicholas was keeping secrets from Christine and left a paper trail going back a few years. I don't recall reading 'secret life' in any of the emails on CHer's board nor in any of the emails I have received from King County. The term 'secret life' is manufacutured until LE says different.

Also, I fully and without question support Cheri and her efforts. [/*]

The police said it in an email... maybe you should go read there again. They specifically said something about the wife now saying publically that he had a secret life.. or something to that effect... I can't read it anymore because for some reason it has been locked to non members.. but then another poster asked a bunch of questions.. one of them being about the secret life and he said that he found it.

I think that is pretty definative on their part.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Nellie


Nicholas only had $50. [/*]
The night he went missing the dance would have cost $15 but if I were to have to look it would be at least $15 to $20 a day for 7 days to try to catch the right event plus $55 to join.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Musterion


I do think I understand what you are saying. There are others who seem to be worse off then Christine and her children. And that is true. I know people who are. I understand that.

Yes, my classification of Christine and her children is partially an emotional one. I can't think of Nicholas or Christine or her children without some emotion.

As for picking the first case that came to mind, I do understand that and was not trying to provoke defensiveness. My point is that there are few if any cases like this one. It is comparing apples and oranges for the most part, IMO, to compare a pregnant stay at home mother with two small children dependent on her SO to a man who is the major wage earner whose wife goes missing. It does not seem fair to me. It does not seem logical to me.

The closest case I can come to as somewhat equal to Nicholas' was the John Delatte case. His wifes' friends appealed for money for her living expenses immediately. She was a sahm, had two children at home and was pregnant. That case I could understand comparing to this case. JMO. [/*]

I remember that sad case Musterion. Wasn't he missing a couple of months too....or 3 months? And they found him in his vehicle in a lake? So sad.

Did his wife divorce him in that period of time? I don't remember reading that she did. So I wonder why this case is different.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Nellie


Nicholas only had $50. [/*]

There are actually 3 different plans. On one is it $50yr and then you pay per event.. $10 - $20. Then the other is $50 a month and the other is $75 a month and your event prices are then different.. I think free but don't remember exactly.

[inv]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


The police said it in an email... maybe you should go read there again. They specifically said something about the wife now saying publically that he had a secret life.. or something to that effect... I can't read it anymore because for some reason it has been locked to non members.. but then another poster asked a bunch of questions.. one of them being about the secret life and he said that he found it.

I think that is pretty definative on their part. [/*]

Yes, the wife said he had a secret life, not LE. LE said they discovered Nick was keeping secrets from her and they found a paper trail going back a few years.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Cheri_G
Musterion,

Here is the email you asked to see:

-----Original Message-----
From: Sheriff [mailto:sheriff@kingcounty.gov]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:18 AM
To: Lisa
Subject: RE: John Urquhart

Our investigation of the disappearance of Nicholas Francisco is continuing.

At this point we have absolutely no evidence that would lead us to believe he was the victim of foul play. No physical evidence, no lifestyle indications, and no associations that would lead us to believe he was a victim.

Did he leave voluntarily? Perhaps. Information has come to light that he was keeping some secrets from his wife, and she has now declined to do any further media interviews.

So the bottom line is we don’t know what happened to him.

I can’t tell you whether to put up the posters or not, but I wouldn’t want you to spend too much of your hard-earned money either!

So there you go…..

Sgt. John Urquhart
Sheriff's Office Administration
King County Sheriff's Office
(206) 296-7528 [/*]
For Inv
Well this one says secrets as in more then one but then again there are other places that have secret live unless you want to only believe what is on Cheri board in which case why aren't you there instead of here?

[Silver_Dove]

OT but does anyone have a clue as to how many messages make a inbox full?

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Are you going to pay the fees for me? If you are I'll check how much it will cost and let you know. At this point in my life I'm having to live within my means and there isn't the $100 to $200 I would need to be there enough to maybe find him.

Eta: make that $200 to $400 because I would really rather take my husband then go alone. I hate going out alone don't you? [/*]

:no: May I suggest you take this to PMs as there is a policy here in regards to solicitations.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=295430

<snip> -Post or transmit any unsolicited advertising, promotional materials, or any other forms of solicitation that are determined by Court TV to be inappropriate;

....

the two of you may be on thin ice with this one, not sure, but IMO it's best that you keep it to PMs.

I do know that when the talk of raising money to help with the medical bills of a longtime poster in OC was discussed, that was quashed quite quickly and the mod did comment on it. Another board was then made to discuss that matter. (an off-shoot board)

(today's message was brought to you by the Letter Q)


:seeya:

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by inv


Yes, the wife said he had a secret life, not LE. LE said they discovered Nick was keeping secrets from her and they found a paper trail going back a few years. [/*]

Also in an email to Cheri: What is the source of the "secret life" information? Did Christine inform LE? Did someone else, if so who - not who as in giving us names, but a "reliable source" etc.? Or was it based on information that was discovered through your investigation? Discovered by me

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by inv


Yes, the wife said he had a secret life, not LE. LE said they discovered Nick was keeping secrets from her and they found a paper trail going back a few years. [/*]

Kinda sounds like semantics to me inv .

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove
OT but does anyone have a clue as to how many messages make a inbox full? [/*]

I think it is 32.. sent messages are included in that count tho.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by inv


If you'll go, I'll pay. First, though, you have to make me believe he is there. [/*]

As I was just reminded this is against the rules here and I don't really want anyones money anyway.

[inv]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Also in an email to Cheri: What is the source of the "secret life" information? Did Christine inform LE? Did someone else, if so who - not who as in giving us names, but a "reliable source" etc.? Or was it based on information that was discovered through your investigation? Discovered by me [/*]

Again, Cheri used the quoted term, not LE.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by Nellie


I remember that sad case Musterion. Wasn't he missing a couple of months too....or 3 months? And they found him in his vehicle in a lake? So sad.

Did his wife divorce him in that period of time? I don't remember reading that she did. So I wonder why this case is different. [/*]

Hi Nellie,

That is the case. It is sad because someone reported the guardrail damage soon after he went missing. But, it wasn't until a couple of months later when the second guardrail report came that they actually checked and found him.

No. I don't believe that his wife filed for divorce from him during that time. I think in the investigation into John's background they didn't find anything to indicate that he was involved in activities that were shocking to his wife and unknown to her. That's the difference that I see. JMO.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by inv


Again, Cheri used the quoted term, not LE. [/*]

and yet he didn't correct her nor say that it wasnt true.. instead he said he found it.

I am sorry.. you can stick your head in the clouds but I choose to get to the truth.. no matter how much I might not like it.

I still think that Nicholas met with foul play but that doesn't change the fact that... if he was leading a secret life.. for whatever reason and that life led to something happening to him.. then the people responsible need to be held accountable.

I am not saying anything bad about Nicholas. He is his own person and was able to choose what he wanted out of his life. I am not here to judge him for that.

[inv]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


and yet he didn't correct her nor say that it wasnt true.. instead he said he found it.

I am sorry.. you can stick your head in the clouds but I choose to get to the truth.. no matter how much I might not like it.

I still think that Nicholas met with foul play but that doesn't change the fact that... if he was leading a secret life.. for whatever reason and that life led to something happening to him.. then the people responsible need to be held accountable.

I am not saying anything bad about Nicholas. He is his own person and was able to choose what he wanted out of his life. I am not here to judge him for that. [/*]

Okay. I agree with everything you said except one part.

I am not sticking my head in the clouds about it nor being picky.

I concur that Nicholas was keeping some kind of secrets from Christine. I also agree about the paper trail.

I think saying 'secret life' sheds a negative light on the situation moreso than just saying 'secrets'. I think the former would imply another life, an alternate life. However 'secrets' doesn't confirm a hidden life.

But, anyway, I just want to see this in the proper perspective.

Again, it's nothing personal against you. :beer:

[Musterion]

Originally posted by inv


Again, Cheri used the quoted term, not LE. [/*]

Hi inv!

If you are still in contact with LE maybe you can email them and ask them if it is a secret life versus secrets. It might clear some things up?!? JMO.

Take care,
Musterion

[Hedda Lettis]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Hopefully you don't benefit from your spouses employment or the same could be said of you.

My ex pays child support and if he didn't I would take him to court and make him. My kids just must be a support check to me. [/*]

I guess you didn't notice this: :D I think that sort of means "just joking." It wasn't :rolleyes: sarcasm, now was it?

My husband and I both worked, both retired, and both draw social security. We benefit from each other.

He paid child support too, and when his daughter came to visit us, her heels stuck over the back of her shoes.

What you do with your child support money is between you, your ex and your kids.

And so, since this has nothing to do with looking for Nicholas, as some are wont to say . . .

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by CAT TOY


Nope, their information, unfortuanately is online. For all the shops, under all the names. It's all there if anyone wants to look for it. There were not enough sales to support three childern. Someone needs to wake up; because if that wasnt a wake up call enough, I dont know what would be....

and LE states over and over that ppl are Not suspects in cases when we know that is not always the case.

It's just not over until it's over. I'm sick basically of hearing about his spouse and her "woes" everyone has kids and you just have to suck it up and support them yourself. Everyone does. I think she had more heads up than has been portrayed and Im sticking to it. I have to go on a couple of personal emails myself that knew/know his wife. I have to look at who has made false statements and who hasnt.

I've been looking at a couple of videos tonite that are possibly Nicholas. some would concern any wife but I dont know his voice and I cant tell you if this is his voice.....or if he even was in this area. But it looks like Him.

there are also plenty and I mean PLENTY of sites online regarding ppl who have "tried" to leave Mars Hill church, and that whole fiasco. some of them do talk about some brainwashing and other techniques and Problems when ppl tried to leave this org. These sites are also online. The complaints were all of a harrassment that went beyond normal when they tried to leave the church.

There is plenty of info that has been gained, and if those leads all dried up; I would have already taken a long hard look at whomever was closest to Nicholas. good thing for statute of limitation laws on murder and such. I hope that he is alive; I really do. I really really do.

Nicholas is my main concern, I'm sure the state will take care of his children just fine, like it does a lot of children. I'm not worried about them right now, they are not missing. Im worried about this VICTIM in this, NICHOLAS. And Im tired of seeing the VICTIM in cases TRASHED for their lifestyles, behaviors or otherwise. That just doesnt matter. I dont care WHAT his spouse found online, she has been terribly unsupportive as a WIFE, in trying to FIND HIM. Terribly unsupportive. It's an unforgivable slight in my opinion. And if Nick is alive, her behavior probably sealed whatever fate he jumped into. could you imagine, if you would stop to think about NICHOLAS, how slighted he must feel? IF he is alive? Wow, sew it all up in less than two mos time? Amazing! Yeah, he was loved.
He meant, that much. It all seems very shallow to me. Extremely so.

Cat [/*]

You know that I admire and respect you Cat Toy. That being said.. I have to say that your last paragraph is so surprising to me. Just in that.. IF HE left on his own.. he did it without thinking of anyone but himself. It didn't take him 2 months... or 2 minutes by all accounts.. since there was no sign left behind that he was doing this. If he is out there under those circumstances then you have to hold him to the same standard that you are holding her too. That would be terribly unsupportive of him, unforgivable and shallow (to use your own words) if you are holding him to that same standard.. right? I get the.. until proven otherwise he is the victim and should be treated as such. But.. if we are keeping an open mind.. then we have to consider this as a possibility also. We both remember Beth Smith.

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi Nellie,

That is the case. It is sad because someone reported the guardrail damage soon after he went missing. But, it wasn't until a couple of months later when the second guardrail report came that they actually checked and found him.

No. I don't believe that his wife filed for divorce from him during that time. I think in the investigation into John's background they didn't find anything to indicate that he was involved in activities that were shocking to his wife and unknown to her. That's the difference that I see. JMO. [/*]

I recall the John Delatte case http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=325853&highlight=John+Delatte.

Sadly, that case didn't get much attention here. The police on that case didn't suspect foul play, the LE in Nick's case has said the same.

John was 28, a father of 3 and also had a pregnant wife who was 6 months pregnant at the time of his disappearance. He too was the sole provider for the family.

(here's another site about his case that mentions his wife's efforts while 6 months pregnant)
http://coltonleviclark.wordpress.com/category/john-delatte/

Let's say LE did search for prior online activity of John's that would lean to a secret/hidden/double life it still wasn't the cause of his disappearance and subsequent death.

I've read a number of theories/reasons as to why Nick's wife has filed...for "legal" reasons, to get her out from the responsibility on the debt on the house. If he can't be found to have the papers served, then I guess it's filed in absentia of that (or whatever it's called).

So far I've not seen anything concrete as to whatever he kept hidden from his wife ("legal" per LE albeit "shocking" per HOH) as that being the reason to dissolve the marriage.

Granted there may be more than one reason.

I do pray that Nick's fate is different than John's.


:rose:

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by CAT TOY



I've been looking at a couple of videos tonite that are possibly Nicholas. some would concern any wife but I dont know his voice and I cant tell you if this is his voice.....or if he even was in this area. But it looks like Him.

there are also plenty and I mean PLENTY of sites online regarding ppl who have "tried" to leave Mars Hill church, and that whole fiasco. some of them do talk about some brainwashing and other techniques and Problems when ppl tried to leave this org. These sites are also online. The complaints were all of a harrassment that went beyond normal when they tried to leave the church.

There is plenty of info that has been gained, and if those leads all dried up; I would have already taken a long hard look at whomever was closest to Nicholas. good thing for statute of limitation laws on murder and such. I hope that he is alive; I really do. I really really do.



Cat [/*]

What videos are you viewing? Christine would be able to know if it is Nicholas. If you think it looks like him then please send them to her or LE.

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


What videos are you viewing? Christine would be able to know if it is Nicholas. If you think it looks like him then please send them to her or LE.

I agree on sending them to LE. Cat can send the links to the contact email for the KCOSD.

I don't see any reason for upsetting the wife to view something in case it's not him. Perhaps LE can have one of the family's associates or co-workers view it or hear the audio portion. And then if there was any way to verify "when" the videos were taken.

imo

[inv]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


As I was just reminded this is against the rules here and I don't really want anyones money anyway. [/*]

Have you ever been to Mars Hill or attended one of their prayer meetings?

TIA

[inv]

Originally posted by zenharmony19



I would love to hear a take on Christine's financial situation from a lawyer.

I know you are not comfortable with what you perceive to be Christine's personality type, but you know there is a match for everyone. Christine and Nicholas were married for 7 years. There was something that kept them together. If she didn't care about him, why were they together at all?? [/*]

Have you ever been to Mars Hill or attended one of their prayer meetings or any of their events?

TIA

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by sarahsgsr
but our cat was recently missing for about a week (after escaping for some freedom!!! he is a house cat!) but I was worried sick the whole week! From the day I discovered him missing to the night I got him back I was sick! <snipped>

Now I know that was completely off subject, but if that is what I would do for a cat that was missing for a week, I would move heaven and earth to search for my missing spouse.

....
Nicholas....please be found soon...no matter the outcome...

Hi Sarah, didn't want you to think that I hadn't read your post as I did and know exactly what you felt when a pet goes missing as that happened to me a few months ago, then it happened to a family member of mine that I couldn't find for 2 hours.

When my dogs were gone for 4 days it was surreal, and I did re=examine then all the cases I've followed for missing persons, omg...if I felt that way for my pets, imagine that has to be amplified when it's your loved one.

I wish no one ever had to experience a missing loved one or pet, and I can see how especially hard it is for those that have to do the searching all by themselves.

It makes me think everyone and pets should have a darn GPS chip implanted so they can be tracked. (I haven't done that yet tho for my pets).

So for anyone that has run away, CALL home, CALL a friend and let them know you're okay.

And may the answers come sooner than later for those searching.

imo

:rose:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi Nellie,

That is the case. It is sad because someone reported the guardrail damage soon after he went missing. But, it wasn't until a couple of months later when the second guardrail report came that they actually checked and found him.

No. I don't believe that his wife filed for divorce from him during that time. I think in the investigation into John's background they didn't find anything to indicate that he was involved in activities that were shocking to his wife and unknown to her. That's the difference that I see. JMO. [/*]

True. Point made.
I guess it would be easier to understand this case if we knew what the "secret" was.
But I thought the divorce was said to be for "legal reasons".....not because of the "secret".
But maybe you're right.....maybe it is because of the "secret".
Fair enough.

I just don't know what to think about this case myself. I go back and forth on left to foul play. The one think I do find is that the wife has done some questionable things that don't put her in a good light. Everything was just too fast for me.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
You know what, 2 mos in to a situation like this, for the most part, your heart hurts so much, your poor credit rating, really would be the last thing on your mind. It was mine. Finding my partner, was all that consumed me. HOurly, daily, for months.

All I am asking for here, is confirmation that no one needs to help locate Nicholas Francisco. When LE says; that they wouldnt want you to "waste" your money on flyers, that says a lot without saying a word.

But, not all detectives have good gut instinct. It really bothers me that no one is searching that area for his body, or for him on a daily basis. I guess, it hurts to think that no one would look that was closest to you; only strangers on a message board or co workers. Geez. Ouch. Someone make a statement and wrap this up; please. I guess, I really want to hear from his family not his spouse, at this time and stage of the game.

CT [/*]

Very perceptive post, CT. That last paragraph got me also.... about the flyers. And then the "so there you go" statement. Sent chills up my spine. My impression is LE thinks it more likely he took off... jmo. I do think it's time that someone stepped up and made a public statement - it's obvious the wife knows what's up at this point and she needs to put it to rest already, I agree!

[Jazmine203]

I became a widow the late part of Jan. I have 4 girls, one still at home. We have pets etc.. We are buying our house, car payments etc as well as the monthly bills. About 2 weeks in I myself began to worry about how I was going to make it moneywise. I make less then half he made and everything we have is because he could afford to do it. I paid the house bills he paid the big bills, mort. car payments etc.. Saying that I dont think it was odd for her to worry about money so soon. I barely had a brain, still dont most of the time, but I had to worry about how I was going to keep my life going.. I of course didnt have the stress of not knowing whether he was dead/alive, that must be awful... Im not sure what she does know but I also find it odd she would file for divorce so soon. Perhaps she is doing it for help with the bills but I know as for me Im still refusing to think of myself as single and if my husband was missing and I truly didnt know that he was alive I would have a very hard time giving up that married status.. I would like to hope he is alive and confused. Atleast then the kids will still get to have a relationship with their Dad someday. My poor kids dont have that anymore.. JMO.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae


Nicholas withdrew $50.

Do we know for certain that's ALL the money he had? :confused: [/*]

Also this makes me wonder if he had one that she found could he have had another one that he only used on his laptop and she hasn't found?

[beetlebrow]

Originally posted by Jazmine203
I became a widow the late part of Jan. I have 4 girls, one still at home. We have pets etc.. We are buying our house, car payments etc as well as the monthly bills. About 2 weeks in I myself began to worry about how I was going to make it moneywise. I make less then half he made and everything we have is because he could afford to do it. I paid the house bills he paid the big bills, mort. car payments etc.. Saying that I dont think it was odd for her to worry about money so soon. I barely had a brain, still dont most of the time, but I had to worry about how I was going to keep my life going.. I of course didnt have the stress of not knowing whether he was dead/alive, that must be awful... Im not sure what she does know but I also find it odd she would file for divorce so soon. Perhaps she is doing it for help with the bills but I know as for me Im still refusing to think of myself as single and if my husband was missing and I truly didnt know that he was alive I would have a very hard time giving up that married status.. I would like to hope he is alive and confused. Atleast then the kids will still get to have a relationship with their Dad someday. My poor kids dont have that anymore.. JMO. [/*]

:rose: ....for what you have thru.....

Why do you think CF put "divorced" under status on her MySpace page?. Just seeing if u might have an opinion on this :(

[darcie]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae


Nicholas withdrew $50.

Do we know for certain that's ALL the money he had? :confused: [/*]

I have never heard how much money he did have on him when he disappeared. He could have had $10,000 in his pocket and withdrew $50.00 from the ATM to throw everyone off. Or he could have had zilch in his wallet, and he thought he would grab $50.00 from the ATM to go to the store, and give him some spending money.

That is the ongoing problem; we know absolutely nothing.


Edited to add:

I find it strange about the filing for a divorce so sudden. I really don't understand it when people say that she is doing it to get out from under the debt of the house. I thought the bank taking back the house got her out from underneath the payments already, so the divorce is going to do diddly squat for that. I can see it helping credit card bills, etc, if they slash them in half.

[Jazmine203]

I have no idea why she would do that..Im 43 and would like to think I have a bit more common sense then I did at 28.. Im guessing maybe for whatever reason maybe she is mad at him.. If I had to choose I would rather my husband left me, atleast then the kids would still get to have their Dad.. I know with me becoming suddenly single didnt change anything about any debt being owed. I called around to let companies know what had happened and they just wanted the full amount owed instead of letting me make payments.. I thought informing them was the right thing to do, found out I was wrong.. Also unfortunately we didnt have a life insurance policy outside of what I got from his work which wasnt much. Perhaps they were like us never thinking we had to worry about something like that yet, especially at their ages.. We are in our 40's and didnt think about it, never think you are going to have to face something like this so young..

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
OK i was reading tonite about the purported references about no 911 call until 1am. Can anyone verify the time that NF was reported missing?
Thanx, CT [/*]

You confused me. :confused: Thought maybe I had mis-keyed or left off the zero for the time of the reported 911 call. During the Greta OTR video interview, CF said alarmed at 8PM bedtime and called 911 at 10PM.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331671,00.html

Where is the IMO more realistic 1AM time coming from? TIA

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Jazmine203
I became a widow the late part of Jan. I have 4 girls, one still at home. We have pets etc.. We are buying our house, car payments etc as well as the monthly bills. About 2 weeks in I myself began to worry about how I was going to make it moneywise. I make less then half he made and everything we have is because he could afford to do it. I paid the house bills he paid the big bills, mort. car payments etc.. Saying that I dont think it was odd for her to worry about money so soon. I barely had a brain, still dont most of the time, but I had to worry about how I was going to keep my life going.. I of course didnt have the stress of not knowing whether he was dead/alive, that must be awful... Im not sure what she does know but I also find it odd she would file for divorce so soon. Perhaps she is doing it for help with the bills but I know as for me Im still refusing to think of myself as single and if my husband was missing and I truly didnt know that he was alive I would have a very hard time giving up that married status.. I would like to hope he is alive and confused. Atleast then the kids will still get to have a relationship with their Dad someday. My poor kids dont have that anymore.. JMO. [/*]

Jasmine - I'm so sorry to hear what you have been through. I cannot fathom why Christine would file for divorce, and even if there is a legitimate reason, I don't see the need for her to advertise it on her social blog considering it has just been two months.

Personally I believe an injustice has been done to Nicholas from day one with LE's attitude, with the family's attitude and now from some message board posters who want to project their perversions onto a missing victim.

For you and your girls :rose:

[Jazmine203]

Thank you both for your kind words.

[Cury-us Coyote]

:rose: For Nicholas Francisco now missing for 2 months and 11 days (71 days not including today)

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Personally I believe an injustice has been done to Nicholas from day one with LE's attitude, with the family's attitude and now from some message board posters who want to project their perversions onto a missing victim.
[/*]

Never dawns on you that there might be a reason behind all of this that you don't know does it? Why is it so hard for you to understand that maybe LE and the family may know more then you and that they might have a reason? I'm sure you saw the post that started me in the direction I went but you wanted to reject it.

I fully trust there is a reason that LE, Christine, Nicolas' Mother and sisters all changed directions as things came to light.

I don't think you want the truth you want your fantasy. I hope you find a husband just exactly like Nicolas.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Jazmine203
I have no idea why she would do that..Im 43 and would like to think I have a bit more common sense then I did at 28.. Im guessing maybe for whatever reason maybe she is mad at him.. If I had to choose I would rather my husband left me, atleast then the kids would still get to have their Dad.. I know with me becoming suddenly single didnt change anything about any debt being owed. I called around to let companies know what had happened and they just wanted the full amount owed instead of letting me make payments.. I thought informing them was the right thing to do, found out I was wrong.. Also unfortunately we didnt have a life insurance policy outside of what I got from his work which wasnt much. Perhaps they were like us never thinking we had to worry about something like that yet, especially at their ages.. We are in our 40's and didnt think about it, never think you are going to have to face something like this so young.. [/*]

My heart goes out to you. It is never the right time to lose someone you love and I don't think you can ever be prepared.

:rose: for you and your children.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by CAT TOY

Nicholas is my main concern, I'm sure the state will take care of his children just fine, like it does a lot of children. I'm not worried about them right now, they are not missing. Im worried about this VICTIM in this, NICHOLAS. And Im tired of seeing the VICTIM in cases TRASHED for their lifestyles, behaviors or otherwise. That just doesnt matter. I dont care WHAT his spouse found online, she has been terribly unsupportive as a WIFE, in trying to FIND HIM. Terribly unsupportive. It's an unforgivable slight in my opinion. And if Nick is alive, her behavior probably sealed whatever fate he jumped into. could you imagine, if you would stop to think about NICHOLAS, how slighted he must feel? IF he is alive? Wow, sew it all up in less than two mos time? Amazing! Yeah, he was loved.
He meant, that much. It all seems very shallow to me. Extremely so.
Cat [/*]

Hi Cat,

I'm going to echo Mystry. You know that I respect you!! :)

Isn't the state us? The taxpayers? What is the difference for Christine to have people who willingly and kindly give her monetary help or a place to stay as opposed to going through the government for assistance? Maybe saving a place in line for somebody who needs it worse than she does... Someone who has no means of friends or kind strangers to aide them?

Anyone on here who has lost a spouse to death or divorce has had the same chance to ask for assistance from their community of faith, or caring people within a community they belong to. Most will not do that. They will 'pick themselves up by the bootstraps' and forge on alone. Maybe it is pride or embarrassment to ask for the help. But, it does not mean that they did not have the same opportunity to go to their church or community and ask for someone to help them with a place to stay rent free, or low rent, or help with finances. Why would we penalize someone who has done this when many of us may have had the same chance to ask but just didn't?

Biblically, IMO, it is the responsibility of the community of faith to step in to help someone who needs it. Especially someone in crisis. Especially someone alone with their children. This comes to mind "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." James 1:27 The word widow translates into this meaning: women who are abandoned. (greek chera, hebrew almana). Visit: greek Episkeptomai,to look upon in order to help or to benefit; to see how they are doing.

All just IMO.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Okay thanks for clarifying. I agree he needs to be found, but not just for monetary reasons. If he has passed on, he needs to be laid to rest and not just rot in a lake or wherever he might be. [/*]

If you all are in contact with LE, ask them why they aren't searching the water.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by decor


my daughter pays somewhere around $700 for after school care and I think it is at the YMCA.

you won't find any daycare or after care for $100 a month in the US [/*]

Daycare in this area can run up to over $1K a month for one kid.

$100 a month for daycare including snacks or any type of food, wow.

[inv]

Originally posted by K Anne


If you all are in contact with LE, ask them why they aren't searching the water. [/*]

Hi K Anne. LE said they weren't searching because they have no reason to believe he could be there. As in, nothing other than hearsay.

I think searching the lake would be a great idea. No harm-no foul if nothing is found.

You never know, even if they don't find Nick's body, they may find the body of someone or some people that have been missing.

[inv]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Also this makes me wonder if he had one that she found could he have had another one that he only used on his laptop and she hasn't found? [/*]

Been to Mars Hill?

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by inv


Hi K Anne. LE said they weren't searching because they have no reason to believe he could be there. As in, nothing other than hearsay.

I think searching the lake would be a great idea. No harm-no foul if nothing is found.

You never know, even if they don't find Nick's body, they may find the body of someone or some people that have been missing. [/*]

That could be. Years ago when the budge (which was where the bridge split and there was an opening into the water) was removed from one of the floating bridge a woman's car and body were found. She had been missing for years and no one knew what had happen. It appears she had an accident and the car flipped in.

That being said there are 100's of lakes plus rivers. Lake Washington is 300,000 acres. Many of these lakes are more like giant mud puddles which would make diving and searching them close to impossible if not out right dangerous.

Is it really no harm no foul if someone was killed doing this?

[K Anne]

Originally posted by inv


Been to Mars Hill? [/*]

lol

inv, have YOU been to Mars Hill?

[inv]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


That could be. Years ago when the budge (which was where the bridge split and there was an opening into the water) was removed from one of the floating bridge a woman's car and body were found. She had been missing for years and no one knew what had happen. It appears she had an accident and the car flipped in.

That being said there are 100's of lakes plus rivers. Lake Washington is 300,000 acres. Many of these lakes are more like giant mud puddles which would make diving and searching them close to impossible if not out right dangerous.

Is it really no harm no foul if someone was killed doing this? [/*]

Well, I was sorta thinking along the lines that CF prayed for help and she got it, she prayed for a house, she got it, she dreamed of Nick being in or near water and mentioned Panther Lake...

Since she seems to be guided so well (not being sarcastic, I swear), why would her hunch on the water and lake be wrong?

[inv]

Originally posted by K Anne


lol

inv, have YOU been to Mars Hill? [/*]

Nope. I would go just to see what it was like if I lived in WA though.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by inv


Nope. I would go just to see what it was like if I lived in WA though. [/*]

I would, too. ;)

Do you have some new theory on MH? Or, what type of info are you trying to get at, when asking others whether they've been there?

[inv]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Nope actually I've read it several times on other posts, one that is a crime board and another that was similar to an Etsy forum, it's the shop that sells CFs wares in the UK. Sorry I thought that you'd know about the 1am time frame, there are some rumblings about the first call to LE coming in at 1am. I dont know if they are true, I cant substantiate them. But it would be a wider window that's for sure, and another huge misconception, or perhaps, a lie.
CT [/*]

LE confirmed the call was received at 1:01am PT per an email to a crime board poster.

[inv]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
K were you here when we posted all the links to the ppl who have posted online, what it was like for them when they tried to leave this church? App. some were threatened, and some had a really difficult time leaving, a very cult like situation. One; that perpetuates populating the earth, keeping women home and pregant, just for starters. The church info is very disturbing and always has been to me. There were some claims of violence as well, when ppl tried to leave this "group"

CF has mentioned a few times about "the people who may have him" well I dont think anyone "has" nicholas. He isnt a belonging you stick in your purse. He isnt a thing, but it's not the first time I've seen him reduced to a "case" or a "thing" for whatever reason. I still have my reasons for believing that there was much more to this picture. Much more. Hey, I'd want it kept quiet too if ppl started to figure out I knew all along my husband left me; and I poured my heart out on national tv for $$ some makeup and a new do. :( And, If I were said spouse that would really embarrass me into silence. But not forever. AT some point I'd have to reclaim my children in a court of law. Maybe if NF is alive, he will do this one day. But every day I wake up with this nagging suspicion, and thoughts that no one is out there searching for his body because of his spouse, has led everyone to believe, he just took off. i dont believe the cookie story I dont believe the timeline I dont believe the intv info she gave and I dont believe her moving and filing for divorce. All looks more like MelMcG type behavior to me and sorry that's all I can see. Not what I would call very christian like behavior in my book. Certainly not loving behavior. Not any kind of love I know anyway
Maybe that' s the point. Looks more to me like she is the one running.
Anyone care to meet me in Seattle with the luminol and the blacklight?

CT [/*]

I'm game. I start my summer break from work in 5 weeks if he hasn't been found by then...

I am off until August.

[inv]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
The church? Just go to youtube, and check their site for their "doctrine"

Several members have posted some Beach shinangins that they said were batisms, at Alki (JC) my favorite beach. Very unorganized and didnt look like any baptismal I've ever seen......

I was looking at them last night after I stumbled on the link to the video I sent you. I'm not posting it here because like I said I dont know his voice, or what he sounds like in the RW. And, I dont know about the timeframe of that youtube. I do know that there are also rumblings tho, that he posted on youtube, and one online post about a program that would erase the online comments on youtube becauase NF didnt like to read them, wasnt to hip on all the comments. Which makes me wonder if he is alive, what he would think about all these comments of course
:) Nutjobs I think he referred to the youtube comments as....
and there was a site where you could download software that would erase the comments so the didnt load. Sounded like NF to me.....

If you have his online youtube user name, PM me.
Cat [/*]

Thanks, CatToy. I did my homework on Mars Hill. I just want to go there during a service to 'feel' the atmosphere.

I watched the said video from the link you Pm'd me. I think if we had another audio source we could get a better idea of whether that is NF or not.

[beetlebrow]

Originally posted by Jazmine203
I have no idea why she would do that..Im 43 and would like to think I have a bit more common sense then I did at 28.. Im guessing maybe for whatever reason maybe she is mad at him.. If I had to choose I would rather my husband left me, atleast then the kids would still get to have their Dad.. I know with me becoming suddenly single didnt change anything about any debt being owed. I called around to let companies know what had happened and they just wanted the full amount owed instead of letting me make payments.. I thought informing them was the right thing to do, found out I was wrong.. Also unfortunately we didnt have a life insurance policy outside of what I got from his work which wasnt much. Perhaps they were like us never thinking we had to worry about something like that yet, especially at their ages.. We are in our 40's and didnt think about it, never think you are going to have to face something like this so young.. [/*]

For some reason your post is really affecting me deeply. It sounds like ur husbands passing was totally unexpected. I feel that you may have lost your soulmate and you have had to stay strong for everyone else. The depth of your pain is not apparent to others but for some reason when I read your words I can feel it. Again..my sympathy.

I can't believe the companies would not work with you :flamemad: ...but then I can :mad: .

I'd have to say that by 28 I had some common sense but I think CF relied on others alot (one example is her husband did the bills per a co-worker on another board) to do things for her. IMO she got advice to divorce him. I do not see her initiating this on her own....but the MySpace...?.

I think she insulated herself thru her religion and image that she wanted to project. Thus she has been stunned and angry that this could happen to her. I'm sure there are financial reasons for the immediate divorce but I have been reading about missing persons for quite awhile and I have never seen divorce even mentioned by the spouse, they are to wrapped up in doing everything under the sun to find their loved one.

Unless stated as fact, all of the above is IMO. This is also true for all my future posts!!!!! :lol: (ok thats cheating).

[beetlebrow]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Never dawns on you that there might be a reason behind all of this that you don't know does it? Why is it so hard for you to understand that maybe LE and the family may know more then you and that they might have a reason? I'm sure you saw the post that started me in the direction I went but you wanted to reject it.

I fully trust there is a reason that LE, Christine, Nicolas' Mother and sisters all changed directions as things came to light.

I don't think you want the truth you want your fantasy. I hope you find a husband just exactly like Nicolas. [/*]

Never dawns on you???......No I guess she is stupid :mad: This whole post is a poorly disguised personal attack on another poster. This whole thing has gotten way out of hand and even when other posters try to post rationally, you start things up again by posting something inflammatory.

Why is it so hard for YOU to understand that this is NOT a forum for you to express your anger with another poster....this is about Nicholas!!!.

I know that I am not alone when I request that you back off and stop trying to incite other posters.....it is getting VERY old

:no:

[Miss Behavin]

What we need at this point is a really good PI from the Seattle area to work pro bono - at least for a bit. Someone to start at the beginning, talk with LE, NF's family, co-workers, church members - you know just go over everything again and see what turns up.

Someone local would have to solicit for the help. I don't think it's fair to expect someone to work for free indefinitely, so maybe somehow set up a fund at some point to give the PI help with expenses and such.

I'm thinking out loud. I just wish there was something else we could do, ya know?

[beetlebrow]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin
What we need at this point is a really good PI from the Seattle area to work pro bono - at least for a bit. Someone to start at the beginning, talk with LE, NF's family, co-workers, church members - you know just go over everything again and see what turns up.

Someone local would have to solicit for the help. I don't think it's fair to expect someone to work for free indefinitely, so maybe somehow set up a fund at some point to give the PI help with expenses and such.

I'm thinking out loud. I just wish there was something else we could do, ya know? [/*]

I think this is an excellent idea.....only I think the PI would want CF's permission for this...at least he/she would have to ask some HARD questions. IMO...not gonna happen.....shes already moved on :rolleyes:

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by beetlebrow


Never dawns on you???......No I guess she is stupid :mad: This whole post is a poorly disguised personal attack on another poster. This whole thing has gotten way out of hand and even when other posters try to post rationally, you start things up again by posting something inflammatory.

Why is it so hard for YOU to understand that this is NOT a forum for you to express your anger with another poster....this is about Nicholas!!!.

I know that I am not alone when I request that you back off and stop trying to incite other posters.....it is getting VERY old

:no: [/*]
Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Personally I believe an injustice has been done to Nicholas from day one with LE's attitude, with the family's attitude and now from some message board posters who want to project their perversions onto a missing victim.
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eta I to have been attacked for the things I say and many who feel the same as I have been chased off.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by beetlebrow


I think this is an excellent idea.....only I think the PI would want CF's permission for this...at least he/she would have to ask some HARD questions. IMO...not gonna happen.....shes already moved on :rolleyes: [/*]

Exactly, BB... would the ex-wife even need to be consulted? If she is getting a divorce then I wouldn't imagine she would have any say whatsoever. jmo

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


Exactly, BB... would the ex-wife even need to be consulted? If she is getting a divorce then I wouldn't imagine she would have any say whatsoever. jmo [/*]

I think it would be hard to get far if she wasn't willing to help out. I'm not even sure the police would be able to release anything that she ask them not to. Kind of like they aren't telling anyone what the secret life is.

[Miss Behavin]

I was thinking about the cookies earlier today - in the sense that in my mind, when initially hearing of NF's disappearance, my first thought was, "gee, that's kinda late for kids to be up making cookies..."

I've been at home with my kids off and on throughout the years and I always had a routine and stuck to it religiously...still do for the most part. Dinner is prepared at a certain time and everybody eats then you have to clean up the mess; then it's usually time to bathe the kids before putting them to bed around 8:00.

I know each household has a specific routine and all kids are different, but I just thought the timing was strange... maybe a little off initially because if NF didn't leave work until 6:00, then he was supposed to stop and get sugar... how long would it take for him to get back home? I just thought it would probably have been getting too late to bake cookies for the kids because by 8:00 pm my kids were always in bed. :shrug:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Personally I believe an injustice has been done to Nicholas from day one with LE's attitude, with the family's attitude and now from some message board posters who want to project their perversions onto a missing victim.
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eta I to have been attacked for the things I say and many who feel the same as I have been chased off. [/*]

I said posterS in my original post, meaning plural. You are not the only one to come on here and suggest what I consider to be perverse things about Nick. But if the shoe fits, then wear it.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


I think it would be hard to get far if she wasn't willing to help out. I'm not even sure the police would be able to release anything that she ask them not to. Kind of like they aren't telling anyone what the secret life is. [/*]

That could be Silver, but is LE not releasing information because of the ongoing investigation into NF's disappearance, or out of consideration for the soon to be ex-wife's feelings?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by beetlebrow


Never dawns on you???......No I guess she is stupid :mad: This whole post is a poorly disguised personal attack on another poster. This whole thing has gotten way out of hand and even when other posters try to post rationally, you start things up again by posting something inflammatory.

Why is it so hard for YOU to understand that this is NOT a forum for you to express your anger with another poster....this is about Nicholas!!!.

I know that I am not alone when I request that you back off and stop trying to incite other posters.....it is getting VERY old

:no: [/*]

Thanks Beetle - I've been here since Day One and I've seen many posters come and go, with many different agendas. My agenda has never changed. I've always felt the sympathy, empathy, focus, attention and energy has been misplaced. Until LE says that Nicholas is safe and people need to move along, I will be here trying to do whatever I can.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


That could be Silver, but is LE not releasing information because of the ongoing investigation into NF's disappearance, or out of consideration for the soon to be ex-wife's feelings? [/*]

Hard to say but could still come out the same. I'm not sure if they would release the information if a PI just showed up and said they had decide to start trying to find him if it was part of their investigation. :confused:

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Thanks Beetle - I've been here since Day One and I've seen many posters come and go, with many different agendas. My agenda has never changed. I've always felt the sympathy, empathy, focus, attention and energy has been misplaced. Until LE says that Nicholas is safe and people need to move along, I will be here trying to do whatever I can. [/*]

Rainy.. I think maybe some of you misunderstand some of us (me anyway) being open to every possibility as me saying that he doesn't deserve to be found if he has made bad choices in the past. That he doesn't deserve respect. That is not the truth. No matter what the truth is in this case.. Nicholas needs to be found. If he is dead.. his family deserves to know what happened to him and he deserves a final resting place. If he is alive and has left on his own... well, that is the actions of a man in a great deal of pain and turmoil. Every life has a story and nobodys is more important than someone else. No matter what the answers are.. he still needs to be found and treated with dignity.

[inv]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Rainy.. I think maybe some of you misunderstand some of us (me anyway) being open to every possibility as me saying that he doesn't deserve to be found if he has made bad choices in the past. That he doesn't deserve respect. That is not the truth. No matter what the truth is in this case.. Nicholas needs to be found. If he is dead.. his family deserves to know what happened to him and he deserves a final resting place. If he is alive and has left on his own... well, that is the actions of a man in a great deal of pain and turmoil. Every life has a story and nobodys is more important than someone else. No matter what the answers are.. he still needs to be found and treated with dignity. [/*]

Go Mystry! My feelings exactly. :patriot:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Rainy.. I think maybe some of you misunderstand some of us (me anyway) being open to every possibility as me saying that he doesn't deserve to be found if he has made bad choices in the past. That he doesn't deserve respect. That is not the truth. No matter what the truth is in this case.. Nicholas needs to be found. If he is dead.. his family deserves to know what happened to him and he deserves a final resting place. If he is alive and has left on his own... well, that is the actions of a man in a great deal of pain and turmoil. Every life has a story and nobodys is more important than someone else. No matter what the answers are.. he still needs to be found and treated with dignity. [/*]

Thank you - I agree completely. He needs to be found no matter whether he is dead or alive. His family needs answers, especially his children. From every account I have heard about Nicholas from people who knew him, something had to have been terribly wrong for him to voluntarily disappear. This is why I think he met with foul play. JMO

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by All4Nic
Mystry, check your PM's. [/*]

All, your box is full.

[inv]

Originally posted by All4Nic


When I go into my User cp, it says there are no messages, yet I keep getting emails saying that my inbox is full. I tried to search for messages from the last year and still nothing. Anyone know what to do? [/*]

Try cleaning out your sent folder and received folder.

:confused:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by inv


Try cleaning out your sent folder and received folder.

:confused: [/*]

Clean all three areas -
Inbox
Sent Items
Message Tracking

[inv]

Ack! All4Nic, your pm box is still full. I can't send you a reply.

The answer is 's'.

:seeya:

[Musterion]

Originally posted by inv


LE confirmed the call was received at 1:01am PT per an email to a crime board poster. [/*]

Hi inv,

I'm trying hard to find the transcript where Christine said it was ten pm. I do recall it but can't find it. Do you have that?

Also, could you post that email from LE (or get permission from whoever received the email to post it)? Or send the link where we all can read it?

I'd like to see both.

TIA!

[Musterion]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Rainy.. I think maybe some of you misunderstand some of us (me anyway) being open to every possibility as me saying that he doesn't deserve to be found if he has made bad choices in the past. That he doesn't deserve respect. That is not the truth. No matter what the truth is in this case.. Nicholas needs to be found. If he is dead.. his family deserves to know what happened to him and he deserves a final resting place. If he is alive and has left on his own... well, that is the actions of a man in a great deal of pain and turmoil. Every life has a story and nobodys is more important than someone else. No matter what the answers are.. he still needs to be found and treated with dignity. [/*]

Really well said, Mystry. I agree 100%.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
A SEVEN HOUR WINDOW of Oppt. In My Opinion.....

Just saying. :shrug:

We thought it was a three hour window.....from 7 to 10pm based on what his WIFE said. She's been caught now in several statements that just are not true. [/*]

There is no 7 hour window of opportunity.

I doubt that they took a report from the first call. A man coming home from work a couple hours late does not warrant a missing person case being filed.

My guess is that they told her to call back if he didn't return home... and she called again at 1 am when he still wasn't home. They then took her more seriously.

[inv]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi inv,

I'm trying hard to find the transcript where Christine said it was ten pm. I do recall it but can't find it. Do you have that?

Also, could you post that email from LE (or get permission from whoever received the email to post it)? Or send the link where we all can read it?

I'd like to see both.

TIA! [/*]

Musterion,

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331671,00.html

Watch the video.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Thanks Beetle - I've been here since Day One and I've seen many posters come and go, with many different agendas. My agenda has never changed. I've always felt the sympathy, empathy, focus, attention and energy has been misplaced. Until LE says that Nicholas is safe and people need to move along, I will be here trying to do whatever I can. [/*]

It's true, Rainy! You have been consistent and unwaivering. I admire that about you. But, you know that, right?!

:)

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Musterion


It's true, Rainy! You have been consistent and unwaivering. I admire that about you. But, you know that, right?!

:) [/*]

Hi Musterion - :seeya:
yes I do :)

[Musterion]

Originally posted by inv


Musterion,

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331671,00.html

Watch the video. [/*]

Thanks, inv.

I watched it.

Any luck with the LE email?

TIA.

[inv]

Originally posted by Musterion


Thanks, inv.

I watched it.

Any luck with the LE email?

TIA. [/*]

Sorry, Musterion. I can't post it here. What I can do is email LE to confirm that for myself. I have no reason to believe otherwise, but if I get my own confirmation, then I can post it.

:seeya:

eta: email sent.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by inv


Sorry, Musterion. I can't post it here. What I can do is email LE to confirm that for myself. I have no reason to believe otherwise, but if I get my own confirmation, then I can post it.

:seeya: [/*]

Would you do that? That would be great. Thanks for your work, inv.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi inv,

I'm trying hard to find the transcript where Christine said it was ten pm. I do recall it but can't find it. Do you have that?

Also, could you post that email from LE (or get permission from whoever received the email to post it)? Or send the link where we all can read it?

I'd like to see both.

TIA! [/*]

Hmm.. I remember her saying 10... maybe that person got it confused and it was 1am ET... that would 10 PT.. just thinking..

[Fallen Angel]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
hmmmmmm
Nope that doesnt wash w/me. Ten pm was all I heard about consistantly in the beginning :shrug:

I still think, that the timeline isnt right. What else has really bothered me was the internet timeline that his wife left online. From the get go that has bothered me.

That's a 7 hour of oppt to me, as an investigator. 6pm your husband leaves work. Maybe he comes home, by 1am the police are there. that, is the timeline here. At first, we thought it was really narrow. Not enough time to "do anything" in, three hours, maybe less.......it's more like 7 hours. Did CF have an argument with her husband that night? that's plenty of time for "something" to have happened. Hopefully nothing did. Hopefully Nicholas Isnt floating in water somewhere, as his wife suggested on video tape.
CT [/*]I wonder how many times CF called Nichs cell phone that evening.:confused:

[soyesterday]

:seeya:
Hi Rainy and everyone! :)
I just wanted to tell u that i'm still here...
i've mostly only been lurking lately....
i was getting far too obessed w/ this case!
But i'm still here. :)

[zenharmony19]

Here is the link to JPG Magazine where Christine describes herself as a "single mom":

http://www.jpgmag.com/people/bella

It really appears that she has a very strong suspicion that Nicholas left on his own, or maybe even some actual knowledge, at this point.

This kind of clinches it for me, as of today, I think there is a very very good chance that he walked.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by soyesterday
:seeya:
Hi Rainy and everyone! :)
I just wanted to tell u that i'm still here...
i've mostly only been lurking lately....
i was getting far too obessed w/ this case!
But i'm still here. :) [/*]

Morning SoYesterday
Good to see you - I was thinking about you the other day. I'm glad you're still around.

[MoonFlwr]

Discussed the fact that Christine has filed for divorce, and is listing herself as a single mom, with my partner, who is a psychologist.

He seemed to think that it may be a way for her to find the courage to forge ahead without Nicholas. A psychological change for her, that can help her to see herself in a different light and move ahead into her 'new life'.

I thought it was an interesting idea.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by MoonFlwr
Discussed the fact that Christine has filed for divorce, and is listing herself as a single mom, with my partner, who is a psychologist.

He seemed to think that it may be a way for her to find the courage to forge ahead without Nicholas. A psychological change for her, that can help her to see herself in a different light and move ahead into her 'new life'.

I thought it was an interesting idea. [/*]


That is an interesting idea. If she is getting counseling (hopefully with somebody good!), I wonder if it was even suggested for her to do that.

[MoonFlwr]

Originally posted by zenharmony19



That is an interesting idea. If she is getting counseling (hopefully with somebody good!), I wonder if it was even suggested for her to do that. [/*]

Perhaps!

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by n/t
Nicholas, if you're out there, please call someone. Do it for your children. Please.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/345850/4_62_francisco_nicholas4.jpg

:rose:

forever a daddy

~Hope for Nicholas~

:rose:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Postergeist


forever a daddy

~Hope for Nicholas~

:rose: [/*]

I love that picture of him and some of the other ones that were deleted. There was one of him on a slide holding his baby boy, laughing, acting like a kid himself.

Nicholas - if you are out there please call someone.
:rose:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by MoonFlwr
Discussed the fact that Christine has filed for divorce, and is listing herself as a single mom, with my partner, who is a psychologist.

He seemed to think that it may be a way for her to find the courage to forge ahead without Nicholas. A psychological change for her, that can help her to see herself in a different light and move ahead into her 'new life'.

I thought it was an interesting idea. [/*]

"Single" or "divorced" advertises "available" to me.

[n/t]

Originally posted by MoonFlwr
Discussed the fact that Christine has filed for divorce, and is listing herself as a single mom, with my partner, who is a psychologist.

He seemed to think that it may be a way for her to find the courage to forge ahead without Nicholas. A psychological change for her, that can help her to see herself in a different light and move ahead into her 'new life'.

I thought it was an interesting idea. [/*]


I'm assuming you told him that it's been less than 3 months and the husband is still missing.

Does someone move ahead with a "new life" so quickly? Most experts in normal divorce cases advise to take the time to grieve and heal. A divorce is very much like a death.

So moving on so quickly is very puzzling and very suspicious.


Nicholas, hope you're safe and well. Please call someone. Think of your children. :rose:

[n/t]

A reminder to keep Nicholas in your thoughts and prayers. Tomorrow a group of volunteers will be cleaning up a local park and will be on the lookout for anything belonging to Nicholas. If anyone in the area will be volunteering, thank you for doing whatever you can to help.

:rose:



----------------------------

Kinnear Park Earth Day Work Party - TEEN FRIENDLY

4/26/2008
9:30 a.m. - 1 p.m.
Join us in celebration of Earth Day! Open to everyone in the Community. We’ll be weeding, clearing away ivy and blackberry bushes
and doing general cleaning in Kinnear Park. Light snacks and drinks provided. Wear layered clothing! Rain or shine
LOCATION: Upper Kinnear Prk by the swing
CONTACT: Ann Pearce 206-284-0604
EMAIL: Annrpearce@aol.com

http://www.cityofseattle.net/parks/v.../workparty.htm



http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dcbh2vh8_12chs2qchq

[Nellie]

Originally posted by n/t



I'm assuming you told him that it's been less than 3 months and the husband is still missing.

Does someone move ahead with a "new life" so quickly? Most experts in normal divorce cases advise to take the time to grieve and heal. A divorce is very much like a death.

So moving on so quickly is very puzzling and very suspicious.


Nicholas, hope you're safe and well. Please call someone. Think of your children. :rose: [/*]

It was definately suspicious for SP. As I recall, he was in a big hurry to move on quickly too. Selling her vehicle. Trying to sell the house. He just didn't quite get to the step of divorce.....

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Nellie


It was definately suspicious for SP. As I recall, he was in a big hurry to move on quickly too. Selling her vehicle. Trying to sell the house. He just didn't quite get to the step of divorce..... [/*]

Yes....a HUGE red flag in that case IMO

[Musterion]

Originally posted by Nellie


It was definately suspicious for SP. As I recall, he was in a big hurry to move on quickly too. Selling her vehicle. Trying to sell the house. He just didn't quite get to the step of divorce..... [/*]

Good Morning Nellie!! :)

He probably didn't see the need to divorce her because he knew that he had murdered her.

Someone who murdered their spouse would probably not file for divorce. JMO.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Nellie


It was definately suspicious for SP. As I recall, he was in a big hurry to move on quickly too. Selling her vehicle. Trying to sell the house. He just didn't quite get to the step of divorce..... [/*]

This case has always been different for some reason.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


This case has always been different for some reason. [/*]

Hi Rainy!

It has been. You and I think different for different reasons but it hasn't been the norm. That's why I think it isn't quite fair to compare it to most any other case. JMO.

[beetlebrow]

Originally posted by Musterion


Good Morning Nellie!! :)

He probably didn't see the need to divorce her because he knew that he had murdered her.

Someone who murdered their spouse would probably not file for divorce. JMO. [/*]

Well....unless the the person got rid of the spouse because the spouse was not providing what the person "needed" and the person wanted to find a new spouse that would!!!! ;)

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi Rainy!

It has been. You and I think different for different reasons but it hasn't been the norm. That's why I think it isn't quite fair to compare it to most any other case. JMO. [/*]

Hi Musterion :seeya:

By all accounts by anyone who knew Nick knew him to be a good guy and a good provider, doing whatever he could for his family. Even CF's first statement were he would "never" leave us. Though I'm not a big fan of the word "never", she was deadset that was the case.

So now while he is still listed as missing by LE, two months into this she plans to divorce him. Even if that is for financial/legal reasons, why is it important to promote it on her social blogs?

If this were a wife missing and the husband was doing all of this, I know what LE and the public would be thinking.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I mean, really....Lets all be real here. Please show me the difference between Drew Peterson, and CF. They both claim their spouses, Just Left without a Trace. Poof. Gone Baby Gone.

CT [/*]

Since you asked, Cat....:)

The comparison stops there. IMO. Both spouses are missing.

Drew Peterson's background is that he is a known adulterer. He is known to have stalked and scared past SO's. He controlled, or tried to control his SO's. His ex wife died under suspicious circumstances. Stacey had confided in others that she was afraid of him. She had sought a divorce. She disappeared, I think it was, soon after she spoke with the divorce attorney. Someone came forward and said they carried a container, big enough for Stacey's body, from his house when Stacey went missing. The police have termed interest in Drew's involvement with Stacey's disappearance.

To my knowledge Nicholas never said a bad word about Christine. He never told anyone he was afraid of her or that she was trying to control anything about him. I have no knowledge that Nicholas sought a divorce from Christine. I don't know of anyone in Christine's background that she had been married to that died under suspicious circumstances. No one has come forward to say they helped her dispose of Nicholas' body. LE has stated that they do not believe the things that Christine is accused of by certain people in the public. i.e. extorting money, having something to do with Nicholas' disappearance. IMO.

All I have heard is that Nicholas loved her and their children.

I, also, don't hear of any alleged secrets or secret life that Stacey had.

I think when Christine is compared with other cases the inference is that she is just like the suspect or person of interest or accused in that case. To me, that inference is unfair and it only inflames emotions and leads people to speculations that are unnecessary and unhelpful to Nicholas being found.JMO.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Nellie


It was definately suspicious for SP. As I recall, he was in a big hurry to move on quickly too. Selling her vehicle. Trying to sell the house. He just didn't quite get to the step of divorce..... [/*]


Not sure if this was posted already but a poster by the name of Mikesta was going to acquire the car and sell it. (Post 3146050). March 18th.- He is apparently a friend of the family. The same guy who set up the missing poster flyer. The one with the toast in toaster one.

Anyway, here's the link.

http://forum.ih8mud.com/chit-chat-section/205497-friend-mia-2-kids-1-way-vanished-5-print.html?pp=50


Again, very suspicious for the rush to sell his car. It doesn't make any sense. This was only a month after he disappeared.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Hi Musterion :seeya:

By all accounts by anyone who knew Nick knew him to be a good guy and a good provider, doing whatever he could for his family. Even CF's first statement were he would "never" leave us. Though I'm not a big fan of the word "never", she was deadset that was the case.

So now while he is still listed as missing by LE, two months into this she plans to divorce him. Even if that is for financial/legal reasons, why is it important to promote it on her social blogs?

If this were a wife missing and the husband was doing all of this, I know what LE and the public would be thinking. [/*]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of never or shoulda, woulda, coulda, or 'if I was so and so'!! LOL!

IMO saying single or divorced is not a good thing, at this point. I would advise to not put that out there.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Musterion


Since you asked, Cat....:)

The comparison stops there. IMO. Both spouses are missing.

Drew Peterson's background is that he is a known adulterer. He is known to have stalked and scared past SO's. He controlled, or tried to control his SO's. His ex wife died under suspicious circumstances. Stacey had confided in others that she was afraid of him. She had sought a divorce. She disappeared, I think it was, soon after she spoke with the divorce attorney. Someone came forward and said they carried a container, big enough for Stacey's body, from his house when Stacey went missing. The police have termed interest in Drew's involvement with Stacey's disappearance.

To my knowledge Nicholas never said a bad word about Christine. He never told anyone he was afraid of her or that she was trying to control anything about him. I have no knowledge that Nicholas sought a divorce from Christine. I don't know of anyone in Christine's background that she had been married to that died under suspicious circumstances. No one has come forward to say they helped her dispose of Nicholas' body. LE has stated that they do not believe the things that Christine is accused of by certain people in the public. i.e. extorting money, having something to do with Nicholas' disappearance. IMO.

All I have heard is that Nicholas loved her and their children.

I, also, don't hear of any alleged secrets or secret life that Stacey had.

I think when Christine is compared with other cases the inference is that she is just like the suspect or person of interest or accused in that case. To me, that inference is unfair and it only inflames emotions and leads people to speculations that are unnecessary and unhelpful to Nicholas being found.JMO. [/*]

I understand what you are saying Musterion.

I guess it is hard not to compare CF to other people before her who have been suspects since some of her behavior and actions are similar.

Moving out of her house
Selling his car
Getting a divorce
Posting divorced and/or single on the internet

It does not make her a killer, but it will cause people to raise an eyebrow IMO.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by CAT TOY


No, sorry by all accounts, we only know that both are missing. Her actions, imo are more like MeLs or even SPs than DPs take out the abuse factor. I am talking in an investigative sense! You always always always Look at the spouse FIRST no matter WHAT THEY SAY! So when investigating a spouse, what they say, is like what family says, it usually goes into a special file the DX file for the most part until you can verifiy every single thing as true. And, the more ppl look the more it seems that CF has NOT told the TRUTH. She shouldnt have made this about herself, and her actions, are truly selfish. Like I said if NF is alive? I'm sure he also is looking at this with a wow factor, in that such a good christian could "move on" so quickly. NO loving support there for him, now is there? She's only looking for him; for one thing IMO and she has made that very clear. She intends to smear him and take him for everything he has. Would you surface? To such a hostile spouse?
I forgot to add that DP does smear Stacy in the same way, saying she had plastic surgery, she is dancing on a beach somewhere, with other men, and she loved male attention. He does believe that stacy Took off, I thnk she would make a perfect match for DP. Maybe he'd like 3 more "kiddos" lmao.
Cat [/*]

Tell me how a 5 ft tall woman.. over powers her husband who is much bigger than her and kills him without leaving any evidence behind.. gets his body into a vehicle with nobody seeing.. hides his body so well that it still has not been found.. all with nobody seeing anything... takes his car (and how did she get home?) 30 minutes away to an apt. complex she has never been to or knows anything about, without anyone seeing her.. and all of this with her 2 young children in tow.. and while talking to people on the phone throughout the night?

[Musterion]

Originally posted by CAT TOY


No, sorry by all accounts, we only know that both are missing. Her actions, imo are more like MeLs or even SPs than DPs take out the abuse factor. I am talking in an investigative sense! You always always always Look at the spouse FIRST no matter WHAT THEY SAY! So when investigating a spouse, what they say, is like what family says, it usually goes into a special file the DX file for the most part until you can verifiy every single thing as true. And, the more ppl look the more it seems that CF has NOT told the TRUTH. She shouldnt have made this about herself, and her actions, are truly selfish. Like I said if NF is alive? I'm sure he also is looking at this with a wow factor, in that such a good christian could "move on" so quickly. NO loving support there for him, now is there? She's only looking for him; for one thing IMO and she has made that very clear. She intends to smear him and take him for everything he has. Would you surface? To such a hostile spouse?
I forgot to add that DP does smear Stacy in the same way, saying she had plastic surgery, she is dancing on a beach somewhere, with other men, and she loved male attention. He does believe that stacy Took off, I thnk she would make a perfect match for DP. Maybe he'd like 3 more "kiddos" lmao.
Cat [/*]

Hi Cat,

Yes, you are right and I believe it should and has to be done: investigating the spouse.

I think Seattle LE has and is doing that. For whatever reason that they have they have not said that they believe that she was involved in Nicholas disappearing.

They have seen and been privy to her statements and actions. They have most likely watched her tv interviews. They have most likely read her blogs and internet comments. They have sat with her in interviews, they have been face to face with her. They've been in her home and searched her home. They've spoken to people who have known both Christine and Nicholas. And their statement was that they don't believe the things that people are saying about her.

Almost every alleged conflicting statement that has been noted here on this board can be, IMO, dispelled when put into context.

As far as if Nicholas is alive and what he thinks. If he is alive and he is watching his children suffer like this, his mother and sisters suffer like this, allow people to take their time and money on searching for him, allowing friends and strangers to be heartsick over him...well, Cat, my sympathy would not be high for him. Not high at all.

Cynthia Sommer was just released from prison and was mostly convicted, IMO, from her actions after her husband died. She did not appear to be a grieving widow. That almost put her in prison for life. It can happen. But, she is free now. Because, even though her actions were appalling to many people after Todd died, she was innocent. Sometimes non-norm actions mean nothing, only that a person is dealing with grief in their own way. Right or wrong. IMO.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I understand what you are saying Musterion.

I guess it is hard not to compare CF to other people before her who have been suspects since some of her behavior and actions are similar.

Moving out of her house
Selling his car
Getting a divorce
Posting divorced and/or single on the internet

It does not make her a killer, but it will cause people to raise an eyebrow IMO. [/*]

It is hard, Rainy, not to compare. We all do it, I think.

But, I do think it is important in those comparisons to compare them fully before making comments that can be inflammatory and hurtful to what may be an innocent person. We can't take words back and we can do alot of damage. IMO.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by n/t



Not sure if this was posted already but a poster by the name of Mikesta was going to acquire the car and sell it. (Post 3146050). March 18th.- He is apparently a friend of the family. The same guy who set up the missing poster flyer. The one with the toast in toaster one.

Anyway, here's the link.

http://forum.ih8mud.com/chit-chat-section/205497-friend-mia-2-kids-1-way-vanished-5-print.html?pp=50


Again, very suspicious for the rush to sell his car. It doesn't make any sense. This was only a month after he disappeared. [/*]

On 3/18 Mikesta said this is why: "The little ones would probably think their daddy is home."

Reason enough, IMO.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi Cat,

Yes, you are right and I believe it should and has to be done: investigating the spouse.

I think Seattle LE has and is doing that. For whatever reason that they have they have not said that they believe that she was involved in Nicholas disappearing.

They have seen and been privy to her statements and actions. They have most likely watched her tv interviews. They have most likely read her blogs and internet comments. They have sat with her in interviews, they have been face to face with her. They've been in her home and searched her home. They've spoken to people who have known both Christine and Nicholas. And their statement was that they don't believe the things that people are saying about her.

Almost every alleged conflicting statement that has been noted here on this board can be, IMO, dispelled when put into context.

As far as if Nicholas is alive and what he thinks. If he is alive and he is watching his children suffer like this, his mother and sisters suffer like this, allow people to take their time and money on searching for him, allowing friends and strangers to be heartsick over him...well, Cat, my sympathy would not be high for him. Not high at all.

Cynthia Sommer was just released from prison and was mostly convicted, IMO, from her actions after her husband died. She did not appear to be a grieving widow. That almost put her in prison for life. It can happen. But, she is free now. Because, even though her actions were appalling to many people after Todd died, she was innocent. Sometimes non-norm actions mean nothing, only that a person is dealing with grief in their own way. Right or wrong. IMO. [/*]

There is no comparison between this case and the Sommer murder. A better comparison is to missing person Laci Peterson.

This case so far lacks a crime. In the absence of a crime, of course LE won't publicly say they think the wife was involved but I think the wife remains very much on LE radar. Some of the most damaging and self-incriminating comments CF has made so far have been that he's dead and near water.

I think LE is waiting for his body to surface.....as Laci did.

jmo

[Jazmine203]

The more I think about this whole divorce thing and announcing she is single the more I wonder how much she knows. I had my husbands death to deal with about 3 weeks before Nic disappeared. Meaning Im 3 weeks ahead of her in grieving. I know everyone grieves differently but 3 mos. is hardly time to take the rings off and change your status. I cant even imagine not wearing my rings, I have my hubby's around my neck on a chain.. The thing I hate most is having to select widow on important papers I have to fill out.. I cant imagine doing any of that when I dont even know if he is dead/alive. Makes me wonder what she really does know, and the way she is acting she seems pretty pissed off to go to those extremes. JMO.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Jazmine203
The more I think about this whole divorce thing and announcing she is single the more I wonder how much she knows. I had my husbands death to deal with about 3 weeks before Nic disappeared. Meaning Im 3 weeks ahead of her in grieving. I know everyone grieves differently but 3 mos. is hardly time to take the rings off and change your status. I cant even imagine not wearing my rings, I have my hubby's around my neck on a chain.. The thing I hate most is having to select widow on important papers I have to fill out.. I cant imagine doing any of that when I dont even know if he is dead/alive. Makes me wonder what she really does know, and the way she is acting she seems pretty pissed off to go to those extremes. JMO. [/*]

Your pain and grief are palpable - I think this is what is missing from Christine's words - this raw grief.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by JustFacts


There is no comparison between this case and the Sommer murder. A better comparison is to missing person Laci Peterson.

This case so far lacks a crime. In the absence of a crime, of course LE won't publicly say they think the wife was involved but I think the wife remains very much on LE radar. Some of the most damaging and self-incriminating comments CF has made so far have been that he's dead and near water.

I think LE is waiting for his body to surface.....as Laci did.

jmo [/*]

Hi JustFacts,

The only comparison I was making was the behaviour after a spouse was gone.

I wouldn't compare this case with Laci at all and would like to understand how you could compare it. But, I would comment if someone else addresses it, which I did and will continue to do.

Many posters are comparing Christine to Drew Peterson. He was a person of interest almost immediately. There was/is an absence of a crime with Stacy Peterson and Le publicly stated Drew was a suspect. Christine has never been named a person of interest or suspect.

I think LE is and does, in an open investigation, keep the SO on their radar. They would be remiss if they did not. JMO.

Given that Nicholas' car was found close to a lake it doesn't seem odd, IMO, that she would fear he was in water.

All IMO.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by Jazmine203
The more I think about this whole divorce thing and announcing she is single the more I wonder how much she knows. I had my husbands death to deal with about 3 weeks before Nic disappeared. Meaning Im 3 weeks ahead of her in grieving. I know everyone grieves differently but 3 mos. is hardly time to take the rings off and change your status. I cant even imagine not wearing my rings, I have my hubby's around my neck on a chain.. The thing I hate most is having to select widow on important papers I have to fill out.. I cant imagine doing any of that when I dont even know if he is dead/alive. Makes me wonder what she really does know, and the way she is acting she seems pretty pissed off to go to those extremes. JMO. [/*]

Hi Jazmine,

I read your words and my heart hurts for you. I'm so sorry for that loss. :(

Musterion