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[Shimz]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Maybe in all the searching of the secret life she found that he had committed adultery which is the one reason she would be justified spiritually to divorce him. Maybe she also though people would figure this out since they seem to analyze everything else she does. As a Christian the only way she can divorce is for adultery. [/*]

I almost agree with you on this... I agree with the fact that she may have discovered something along those lines, but I am not fully convinced that it had something to do with why he is missing, perhaps just something she discovered as a consequence...

As for only being able to divorce bc of that, that isn't true. I agree that the Church may look down upon other reasons for divorce, but you can get a divorce whenever you want

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by Danette44


Pretty sad - it's really getting to sound like Nicholas is some kind of monster and thats why she is getting a divorce from him to protect the children. Nicholas is known by all his co-workers and friends of a loving and devoted husband that adored his wife and children. JMOO [/*]

Yes, he is Danette. That is the way everybody described him. I don't doubt that he is all of those things to all of those people either. But, the fact is a double life has been uncovered in the midst of investigating his disappearance. Sometimes good people make bad choices. It wouldn't be fair in this case to only post about the positives we know about him.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi Rainy!

I'm trying to understand what that would be in your opinion?

I just believe that if LE told me there was any chance that he was alive it would be enough proof for me to think I needed to act quickly on behalf of my children.

I would be heartsick if I didn't take action to protect my children and he was alive and came back and took them away or had a right to them and exposed them to things that may not be illegal but were immoral or harmful to them. (Remember, I'm not saying that this is what Nicholas did!!!) If that happened I would continually berate myself for not taking action when I could have. When I had the chance to. I wouldn't forgive myself. JMO. [/*]

If LE showed me proof that my husband was yakking away on his cell phone after he went missing or showed me proof that he was online after he went missing, I would accept that he was not who I thought he was. I would then put myself into a position to protect myself and my children.

However, if there was no hard proof, but something like a little nest egg he had in a paypal account, I might be curious and confused, but I would not immediately throw out the husband who "brought me coffee in the mornings, fed the kids, stopped by the store, worked two jobs so I could stay home, posed with the snowman so he wouldn't be lonely, etc." Does that make sense?

My decision would be based on some type of proof.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


Yes, he is Danette. That is the way everybody described him. I don't doubt that he is all of those things to all of those people either. But, the fact is a double life has been uncovered in the midst of investigating his disappearance. Sometimes good people make bad choices. It wouldn't be fair in this case to only post about the positives we know about him. [/*]

I didn't know a double life had been uncovered. I thought it was a "secret" that had been uncovered.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I didn't know a double life had been uncovered. I thought it was a "secret" that had been uncovered. [/*]

IIRC, that's the way it was stated by LE, confirmed to Harlett. That information is on HFTM.

A double life was uncovered with a paper trail going back a couple of years. There was also a secret paypal account.

edited: I would go over there and get you a direct link to the page but I am kinda scared at the moment because of the hackers.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by Shimz
The main thing is that the whole situations makes me feel that he is alive, and perhaps HAS contacted SOMEONE who has let CF know it...

It is not completely impossible... [/*]

She will never admitt to that as long as them donations are still coming in.......JMOO

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


IIRC, that's the way it was stated by LE, confirmed to Harlett. That information is on HFTM.

A double life was uncovered with a paper trail going back a couple of years. There was also a secret paypal account.

edited: I would go over there and get you a direct link to the page but I am kinda scared at the moment because of the hackers. [/*]

no, don't worry about doing that - not worth taking the chance. I didn't realize LE had confirmed a double life though.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi Rainy!

I'm trying to understand what that would be in your opinion?

I just believe that if LE told me there was any chance that he was alive it would be enough proof for me to think I needed to act quickly on behalf of my children.

I would be heartsick if I didn't take action to protect my children and he was alive and came back and took them away or had a right to them and exposed them to things that may not be illegal but were immoral or harmful to them. (Remember, I'm not saying that this is what Nicholas did!!!) If that happened I would continually berate myself for not taking action when I could have. When I had the chance to. I wouldn't forgive myself. JMO. [/*]

Where does trusting God fit into this Musterion? It just makes me kinda ill to think this poor man is still missing with the possibility of being dead and people are so "into" Christine protecting herself and her children from him coming back. Something just sounds so wrong here. I've just never seen this in a missing person case before......people protecting themselves and the children in case their loved one is found or returns. Weird. It just all sounds so much like the "ways of the world" rather than God's way. God's way would want a reconciliation between a married couple.....wouldn't He????

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


Yes, he is Danette. That is the way everybody described him. I don't doubt that he is all of those things to all of those people either. But, the fact is a double life has been uncovered in the midst of investigating his disappearance. Sometimes good people make bad choices. It wouldn't be fair in this case to only post about the positives we know about him. [/*]

Ok, so to be fair....what negatives do we KNOW about him?

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


If LE showed me proof that my husband was yakking away on his cell phone after he went missing or showed me proof that he was online after he went missing, I would accept that he was not who I thought he was. I would then put myself into a position to protect myself and my children.

However, if there was no hard proof, but something like a little nest egg he had in a paypal account, I might be curious and confused, but I would not immediately throw out the husband who "brought me coffee in the mornings, fed the kids, stopped by the store, worked two jobs so I could stay home, posed with the snowman so he wouldn't be lonely, etc." Does that make sense?

My decision would be based on some type of proof. [/*]

But what if you didn't find info he was alive but that he had someone one the side or was doing something on the side that you could live with him after finding out about it.

That he was taking money from the family and giving it to someone else? Remember there is a "paper trail" what if that showed something you would never live with?

[Shimz]

If he indeed left on his own... he up and left his children with not so much as a note or a phone call... i don't see where the intense fear of him coming back to kidnap them comes from? IF and this is IIIIFFF he left on his own, he left the children with their mother for a reason, if he left on his own he knows that he is not in equipped to care for them right now... I just don't see how there is a fear that he is going to come back to steal the kids away from CF... he obviously wasn't a monster when he was home... it doesnt sound like he would intentionally put his children in harms way...

and besides, just because she has sole custody, does that put up a brick wall if he comes into contact with them?

I just don't get it..

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Shimz
The main thing is that the whole situations makes me feel that he is alive, and perhaps HAS contacted SOMEONE who has let CF know it...

It is not completely impossible... [/*]

If this is the case....then she's deceiving people.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


But what if you didn't find info he was alive but that he had someone one the side or was doing something on the side that you could live with him after finding out about it.

That he was taking money from the family and giving it to someone else? Remember there is a "paper trail" what if that showed something you would never live with? [/*]

Well, as a Christian woman, I would pray for God to lead me in the Spirit to be able to forgive and to heal my marriage.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


But what if you didn't find info he was alive but that he had someone one the side or was doing something on the side that you could live with him after finding out about it.

That he was taking money from the family and giving it to someone else? Remember there is a "paper trail" what if that showed something you would never live with? [/*]

ok SD say he DID have a child that CF didn't know about... i DO NOT BELIEVE this to be the case, but for arguments sake...

are you saying that supporting that child is taking away from "the family"? Would that child not be entitled to the same as his other children? Would that child not be considered family?

AGAIN -- I DO NOT THINK THAT THIS IS THE CASE...

[beetlebrow]

Originally posted by Nellie


Ok, so to be fair....what negatives do we KNOW about him? [/*]

Hmmmm.......NONE!!!! :cuss:

[n/t]

Originally posted by Nellie


Ok, so to be fair....what negatives do we KNOW about him? [/*]

Has this been answered yet?

[Nellie]

You know, if I came on here and said that Nicholas or Christine was leading a double life, I'd have to have some kind of proof or link to support it, right? So why are people allowed to claim that Nicholas was leading a secret life and not show where what/where it is? I thought we always had to back this type of stuff up. If there is a link, show us. It would ease a lot of speculation if this "secret life" had to be proven like other things. I thought we were suppose to have a link to back such a thing up.

[Silver_Dove]

People who like porn can be wonderful people. People who are into poly relationships or open relationships can be wonderful people and good parents. Friends of Ted Bundy though he was a good guy. People who go to legal sex clubs could be your next door neighbor and you would never know. Men can have affairs and not be seen as a bad guy.

There is nothing at all that says that because people saw him as a good guy, good husband and father doesn't mean he couldn't also be doing something that wouldn't be approved of by some.

Pretending that a secret that may have devastated his wife and taken everthing away from his family and maybe the reason Christine is divorcing him is just a little nothing is putting on blinders. It will also make it harder to find him.

To me the only bad part would be that he left without saying he was and has stayed hidden. Then again if he was doing something along the lines of his secret life and got himself kill doing it would he have gotten killed if he hadn't done it without telling anyone?

[Nellie]

Originally posted by n/t


Has this been answered yet? [/*]

Not that I've seen yet n/t. I'm still waiting for the answer.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Nellie


Ok, so to be fair....what negatives do we KNOW about him? [/*]

he leaves toast in the toaster :D

[n/t]

Originally posted by beetlebrow


Hmmmm.......NONE!!!! :cuss: [/*]


lol we posted at the same time. There is NONE. Nothing!

Everything that has been said about Nicholas has been all positive.:)

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Nellie


Well, as a Christian woman, I would pray for God to lead me in the Spirit to be able to forgive and to heal my marriage. [/*]barf ya that was exactly what I was told when my ex cheated on me. Praying didn't heal my marriage he just kept cheating.

ETA were you one of the people I talked to about it I wonder.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove
People who like porn can be wonderful people. People who are into poly relationships or open relationships can be wonderful people and good parents. Friends of Ted Bundy though he was a good guy. People who go to legal sex clubs could be your next door neighbor and you would never know. Men can have affairs and not be seen as a bad guy.

There is nothing at all that says that because people saw him as a good guy, good husband and father doesn't mean he couldn't also be doing something that wouldn't be approved of by some.

Pretending that a secret that may have devastated his wife and taken everthing away from his family and maybe the reason Christine is divorcing him is just a little nothing is putting on blinders. It will also make it harder to find him.

To me the only bad part would be that he left without saying he was and has stayed hidden. Then again if he was doing something along the lines of his secret life and got himself kill doing it would he have gotten killed if he hadn't done it without telling anyone? [/*]

Absolutely SD...I agree! So, show us the proof of this secret life he supposedly lead.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove
barf ya that was exactly what I was told when my ex cheated on me. Praying didn't heal my marriage he just kept cheating.

ETA were you one of the people I talked to about it I wonder. [/*]

about what? Huh? About your marriage/divorce?

[Musterion]

Originally posted by Nellie


Where does trusting God fit into this Musterion? It just makes me kinda ill to think this poor man is still missing with the possibility of being dead and people are so "into" Christine protecting herself and her children from him coming back. Something just sounds so wrong here. I've just never seen this in a missing person case before......people protecting themselves and the children in case their loved one is found or returns. Weird. It just all sounds so much like the "ways of the world" rather than God's way. God's way would want a reconciliation between a married couple.....wouldn't He???? [/*]

I know, Nellie. It does look that way at times.

God is a God of reconciliation. That is His heart. It takes open hearts on both parts, though. God never intended divorce in His original plan but allowed it because of the hardness of people's hearts. Sometimes we are so devastated and hurt that we can't open ourselves back up to someone who has betrayed us or hurt us so deeply. God understands that, too. And doesn't love us any less if we can't let Him heal a broken marriage. JMO.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


If LE showed me proof that my husband was yakking away on his cell phone after he went missing or showed me proof that he was online after he went missing, I would accept that he was not who I thought he was. I would then put myself into a position to protect myself and my children.

However, if there was no hard proof, but something like a little nest egg he had in a paypal account, I might be curious and confused, but I would not immediately throw out the husband who "brought me coffee in the mornings, fed the kids, stopped by the store, worked two jobs so I could stay home, posed with the snowman so he wouldn't be lonely, etc." Does that make sense?

My decision would be based on some type of proof. [/*]




Stop spreading misinformation. Your post is misleading and makes is sound like all Christine found was "a little nest egg he had in a paypal account." As though she has no proof of his secret life.

This is just not true. According to Harletohara her discovery took everything away from her and the kids. It has also caused LE to state that because of it, they are leaning more towards the theory that he walked away.

The truth is we do not know what Christine discovered, but by logical deduction and examing the evidence available, it was something quite a bit more than a nest egg in a hidden account.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Shimz


he leaves toast in the toaster :D [/*]

LOL! Well......maybe that was a positive! Maybe he left it in there for Christine so it'd be there all ready and waiting for her when she got up! :D

[Musterion]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


If LE showed me proof that my husband was yakking away on his cell phone after he went missing or showed me proof that he was online after he went missing, I would accept that he was not who I thought he was. I would then put myself into a position to protect myself and my children.

However, if there was no hard proof, but something like a little nest egg he had in a paypal account, I might be curious and confused, but I would not immediately throw out the husband who "brought me coffee in the mornings, fed the kids, stopped by the store, worked two jobs so I could stay home, posed with the snowman so he wouldn't be lonely, etc." Does that make sense?

My decision would be based on some type of proof. [/*]

I understand what you're saying and I agree. If it was just a little paypal account with some money that wouldn't upset me either. Well, not much!!

I think it is more than just a paypal account. If it was just that then I don't think LE would have said secret, or double life. JMO.

[SeattleEddie]

Y'all are doing a very fine job of demonizing Nicholas. well done.

I am new at following cases. Is this the usual pattern in MP cases? Denigrate the missing?

[n/t]

SD sounds like you are very angry about some of your personal issues.

This is about Nicholas and not your ex husband. All that you've said was done by your ex and not Nicholas so please don't accuse Nicholas of the things your husband did to you.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by zenharmony19





Stop spreading misinformation. Your post is misleading and makes is sound like all Christine found was "a little nest egg he had in a paypal account." As though she has no proof of his secret life.

This is just not true. According to Harletohara her discovery took everything away from her and the kids. It has also caused LE to state that because of it, they are leaning more towards the theory that he walked away.

The truth is we do not know what Christine discovered, but by logical deduction and examing the evidence available, it was something quite a bit more than a nest egg in a hidden account. [/*]

People need to back up their info with proof. Where's the proof of this secret life? We can speculate that he had a secret life, but to emphatically state that he did, don't we need a link to a news source?

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Shimz


he leaves toast in the toaster :D [/*]

I've always assumed this was put onto the poster in case he had amnesia and somebody had found him and didn't know who he was.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Musterion


I understand what you're saying and I agree. If it was just a little paypal account with some money that wouldn't upset me either. Well, not much!!

I think it is more than just a paypal account. If it was just that then I don't think LE would have said secret, or double life. JMO. [/*]

I've actually never seen a link fro LE saying a "double life". I'd sure like to see one if there is one. I have seen some emails from LE saying he had a secret. I need to go read those LE emails again and see just what they did say.....to be sure. BRB

[n/t]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
Y'all are doing a very fine job of demonizing Nicholas. well done.

I am new at following cases. Is this the usual pattern in MP cases? Denigrate the missing? [/*]

No it's not. This is very sad and I can't believe he's being accused of some of these things without any proof.

It sounds like some have had personal issues with their own spouse and Nick has become the target.

Nick :rose:

[Musterion]

Originally posted by Shimz
If he indeed left on his own... he up and left his children with not so much as a note or a phone call... i don't see where the intense fear of him coming back to kidnap them comes from? IF and this is IIIIFFF he left on his own, he left the children with their mother for a reason, if he left on his own he knows that he is not in equipped to care for them right now... I just don't see how there is a fear that he is going to come back to steal the kids away from CF... he obviously wasn't a monster when he was home... it doesnt sound like he would intentionally put his children in harms way...

and besides, just because she has sole custody, does that put up a brick wall if he comes into contact with them?

I just don't get it.. [/*]

No, Shimz, sole custody doesn't prevent anyone from taking your child. But, it does give you legal rights that you would not have if you did not have the paperwork in place. And it gives LE the ability to prosecute the person who took your children.

If someone left me after seven years and I had any indication that they may have walked, any at all, who I knew them to be and my trust in them would be gone. Just because he left and didn't take the children would not mean to me that he wouldn't be waiting to set up a new life and come and get them. I would live in fear of that happening. I would do everything in my power to prevent that from happening. NOT saying this is what Nicholas has done or is doing. JMO.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by n/t
SD sounds like you are very angry about some of your personal issues.

This is about Nicholas and not your ex husband. All that you've said was done by your ex and not Nicholas so please don't accuse Nicholas of the things your husband did to you. [/*]

Sounds like Christine feels the same way over something he has done, too. Funny I figure he left her because of being needy and now I'm finding myself defending her.

"A 'paper trail' has been uncovered that goes back a few years. This side of Nicholas was totally hidden from his family. It has shattered her life and taken everything from her and the kids."

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2562&page=12

[Toad]

Hello, I just visited Harlett's site and it looks like it's working again. It does say:

"Detective Jon Holland found evidence that Nicholas is/was leading a double life. He gave this information to Christine and from there we started researching more and more." (page 12 of NF thread)

I also had a question about something said in that same post.

"Nicholas made an atm withdraw from the "secret" paypal account that night at 6:13PM. he withdrew $54.. (I am assuming he withdrew $50 and there was a $4 charge for doing so)"

The only time I've ever had an option to withdraw cash that wasn't a multiple of $20 is after purchasing something with my debit card at a store, or actually going inside the bank to get the money (eta: or, based on a google search - if it involved some kind of currency exchange). I'm just wondering if it is possible to take an odd $50 out of an atm?? I could be missing something completely obvious that I just don't know about yet.

(Sorry if this has been discussed before. I've read up on the Nicholas threads at WS, but haven't been able to catch everything here!)

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Nellie


I've actually never seen a link fro LE saying a "double life". I'd sure like to see one if there is one. I have seen some emails from LE saying he had a secret. I need to go read those LE emails again and see just what they did say.....to be sure. BRB [/*]


There was no link from LE stating he had a double life. The quote comes from Harletohara's site, which has been hacked and is no longer available. It was in an update post by her about Christine's situation several weeks ago. Maybe someone has a copy of her post, I don't.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Toad
Hello, I just visited Harlett's site and it looks like it's working again. It does say:

"Detective Jon Holland found evidence that Nicholas is/was leading a double life. He gave this information to Christine and from there we started researching more and more." (page 12 of NF thread)

I also had a question about something said in that same post.

"Nicholas made an atm withdraw from the "secret" paypal account that night at 6:13PM. he withdrew $54.. (I am assuming he withdrew $50 and there was a $4 charge for doing so)"

The only time I've ever had an option to withdraw cash that wasn't a multiple of $20 is after purchasing something with my debit card at a store, or actually going inside the bank to get the money (eta: or, based on a google search - if it involved some kind of currency exchange). I'm just wondering if it is possible to take an odd $50 out of an atm?? I could be missing something completely obvious that I just don't know about yet.

(Sorry if this has been discussed before. I've read up on the Nicholas threads at WS, but haven't been able to catch everything here!) [/*]

Many privately owned atm's such as in stores, gas stations and stores still have $10's in them and have high charges.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Musterion


I know, Nellie. It does look that way at times.

God is a God of reconciliation. That is His heart. It takes open hearts on both parts, though. God never intended divorce in His original plan but allowed it because of the hardness of people's hearts. Sometimes we are so devastated and hurt that we can't open ourselves back up to someone who has betrayed us or hurt us so deeply. God understands that, too. And doesn't love us any less if we can't let Him heal a broken marriage. JMO. [/*]

I do understand what you are saying Musterion.
I just don't understand it when it's not even known whether he's dead or alive yet.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by zenharmony19



There was no link from LE stating he had a double life. The quote comes from Harletohara's site, which has been hacked and is no longer available. It was in an update post by her about Christine's situation several weeks ago. Maybe someone has a copy of her post, I don't. [/*]

Her site is back up and running. I have no reason to not believe her. I think she is an honest and honorable person who is only interesting in finding the missing and helping those who are left behind to worry.

[Toad]

Many privately owned atm's such as in stores, gas stations and stores still have $10's in them and have high charges.

OK, Thank you!!

[Nellie]

Originally posted by zenharmony19



There was no link from LE stating he had a double life. The quote comes from Harletohara's site, which has been hacked and is no longer available. It was in an update post by her about Christine's situation several weeks ago. Maybe someone has a copy of her post, I don't. [/*]

So, then, the double life is not confirmed by a news site, right?
Does that information come from Christine via Harlett?
I guess I'm just "bugged" by this "double life" and the imagination it inspires.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Sounds like Christine feels the same way over something he has done, too. Funny I figure he left her because of being needy and now I'm finding myself defending her.

"A 'paper trail' has been uncovered that goes back a few years. This side of Nicholas was totally hidden from his family. It has shattered her life and taken everything from her and the kids."

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2562&page=12 [/*]

Was this a statement by LE or the administrator of this board? That needs to be clarified. Also, clarification is needed on what the actual wording was. A secret life vs a double life.

IIRC, the word used by the detective was secret.

I will believe what LE says. No disrespect to Harlett but she may be relaying information passed on to her by Christine.

ETA: I have not clicked on the link. I understand there is a hacking issue on that website.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Her site is back up and running. I have no reason to not believe her. I think she is an honest and honorable person who is only interesting in finding the missing and helping those who are left behind to worry. [/*]

Thanks. I feel the same way. Everything that I have seen of her and heard about her has been good, so I do trust the information.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by zenharmony19





Stop spreading misinformation. Your post is misleading and makes is sound like all Christine found was "a little nest egg he had in a paypal account." As though she has no proof of his secret life.

This is just not true. According to Harletohara her discovery took everything away from her and the kids. It has also caused LE to state that because of it, they are leaning more towards the theory that he walked away.

The truth is we do not know what Christine discovered, but by logical deduction and examing the evidence available, it was something quite a bit more than a nest egg in a hidden account. [/*]

ZenHarmony - Musterion asked ME a question about how I would handle something and I gave some examples based on what I would do. Don't you dare accuse me of spreading misinformation and don't tell me how to post. I listen to only one moderator and that is Coldwater.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Nellie


So, then, the double life is not confirmed by a news site, right?
Does that information come from Christine via Harlett?
I guess I'm just "bugged" by this "double life" and the imagination it inspires. [/*]

Secret was the word used and not double. Double was a misinterpretation by some posters who like to dramatize.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Her site is back up and running. I have no reason to not believe her. I think she is an honest and honorable person who is only interesting in finding the missing and helping those who are left behind to worry. [/*]

I have no reason not to believe Harlett either. But I question if some of the info comes from Christine and if it does, then I'm not certain how much I believe.

[Carol25]

Originally posted by Nellie


I've actually never seen a link fro LE saying a "double life". I'd sure like to see one if there is one. I have seen some emails from LE saying he had a secret. I need to go read those LE emails again and see just what they did say.....to be sure. BRB [/*]
That's what I was going to ask too, Nellie. What were the exact words LE used? That he had a "secret?" He had a "secret account" He had a Secret life?" He had a double life?" Are we enlarging what LE actually said?
And someone else said he never called CF. How do we know this? He just may have, which in turn made her file for divorce.

Everyone is assuming she filed. I suppose it is possible he filed long ago. We are assuming things that are not facts.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Musterion


I understand what you're saying and I agree. If it was just a little paypal account with some money that wouldn't upset me either. Well, not much!!

I think it is more than just a paypal account. If it was just that then I don't think LE would have said secret, or double life. JMO. [/*]

Right - I was giving you examples of how I would have to make the judgment call.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by n/t


Was this a statement by LE or the administrator of this board? That needs to be clarified. Also, clarification is needed on what the actual wording was. A secret life vs a double life.

IIRC, the word used by the detective was secret.

I will believe what LE says. No disrespect to Harlett but she may be relaying information passed on to her by Christine.

ETA: I have not clicked on the link. I understand there is a hacking issue on that website. [/*]

But you believe the emails that other people have posted? I have only seen one supposed message from LE on a board and that could be a fake but didn't say anything. All the rest have been copy and paste jobs that could be edited to say anything. So if you can believe the emails why can't you believe Harlett?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t


Secret was the word used and not double. Double was a misinterpretation by some posters who like to dramatize. [/*]

Thats exactly right because it demoralizes the victim here and minimizes the importance of a search for him.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


But you believe the emails that other people have posted? I have only seen one supposed message from LE on a board and that could be a fake but didn't say anything. All the rest have been copy and paste jobs that could be edited to say anything. So if you can believe the emails why can't you believe Harlett? [/*]

I didn't say I didn't believe Harlett. I said Harlett may be relaying information passed on to her by Christine.

Don't twist my words.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Musterion


No, Shimz, sole custody doesn't prevent anyone from taking your child. But, it does give you legal rights that you would not have if you did not have the paperwork in place. And it gives LE the ability to prosecute the person who took your children.

If someone left me after seven years and I had any indication that they may have walked, any at all, who I knew them to be and my trust in them would be gone. Just because he left and didn't take the children would not mean to me that he wouldn't be waiting to set up a new life and come and get them. I would live in fear of that happening. I would do everything in my power to prevent that from happening. NOT saying this is what Nicholas has done or is doing. JMO. [/*]

I completely understand and I think that a lot of women go through that fear... I will give an example... I was taken from my mother and placed with my father when I was 11. I had an order of protection bc my father was afraid that my mother would try to take me back... This is bc if she showed up at the school they would be notified and she wouldn't be able to get to me, etc... my father never let me out of his sight anywhere bc of course it would be not so hard for her to grab me off the street...

with that being said... i think that a lot of the time in these cases there is a reason for the fear. Being as I was taken away from her, it was a little different than her abandoning me... If my mother had disappeared one day out of nowhere, I don't think that my father would be so paranoid as to her trying to snatch me off the streets....

I just think that a lot of the time when a parent abducts a child, there is a history there... and the history not being that the other was a wonderful parent whos praises i was singing one day and the next I am afraid for my children to have contact...

with these mothers and fathers whose children are TAKEN from them, it is a little different than mothers and fathers who walk away...

JMO of course.. and I know that the children's protection comes first, I am just saying that I don't see the fear that NF is going to come back and steal his kids away... i guess the fact of things being said like the babies wont have a father, and how her daughter cries herself to sleep because she misses him so much, it doesn't really seem in line to me to have to "protect" her from him... i don't know.. i am not saying that it is not necessary or it is foolish, i definitely do not think any precautions taken for your children is foolish, just not fitting in with what was being said...

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by n/t


Secret was the word used and not double. Double was a misinterpretation by some posters who like to dramatize. [/*]

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2562&page=12

I do believe the site over there is fine now so you may want to check it out, N/T. It was confirmed to Harlett as a double life and a secret paypal account.

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Thats exactly right because it demoralizes the victim here and minimizes the importance of a search for him. [/*]

That's ok. In the end the truth will be "revealed" and in my opinion, some of it already has. God does work in mysterious ways. :)

[n/t]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2562&page=12

I do believe the site over there is fine now so you may want to check it out, N/T. It was confirmed to Harlett as a double life and a secret paypal account. [/*]

I believe RKnowley posted the actual email by the detective. I'll have to dig it up. BRB

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Thats exactly right because it demoralizes the victim here and minimizes the importance of a search for him. [/*]

If he is dead how can you demoralize him? and if he is alive and people keep searching for a body it is unlikely he will ever be found.

I really really want him found but I truly believe looking for a body is the wrong direction.

[beetlebrow]

Originally posted by Shimz


he leaves toast in the toaster :D [/*]

Oh....my bad :lol: One

[n/t]

Here you go, from Sgt. John Urquhart dated march 27, 2008

You will have to scroll down.

http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dcbh2vh8_12chs2qchq

[Nellie]

Ok here are the quotes about the secret from the Sgt's emails.
I wanted to see exactly what he called it.

At this point we have absolutely no evidence that would lead us to believe he was the victim of foul play. No physical evidence, no lifestyle indications, and no associations that would lead us to believe he was a victim.

Did he leave voluntarily? Perhaps. Information has come to light that he was keeping some secrets from his wife, and she has now declined to do any further media interviews.

His wife is now publically saying that Nicholas was leading a “secret life” and that leads us even further away from a foul play theory.

I have said there is evidence of certain activities (not illegal) that Nicholas was involved in and Christine was not aware of those. However in many relationships that can be the case, and doesn’t positively validate one theory or another.

Sgt. John Urquhart


http://www.cherigriffiths.com/phpbb3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1000

So, there you have it! He even says there is "no lifestyle indications and no associations". This indicates me that it isn't the lifestyles that many have been speculating about.

And it states that his wife is saying Nicholas was leading a "secret life", so it sounds like that is who has stated the "secret life"...not LE.

LE is calling it "certain activities (not illegal) and Christine was not aware of. But at the same time they are saying "no lifestyle indications or associations". So, to me it does not sound like a Gay lifestyle, a One-Night Sexual Lifestyle, or any Wet associations.

Honestly, it doesn't sound nearly as "immoral" as a lot tend to think. Maybe he was a cross-dresser. Maybe it wasn't something evil at all!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


If he is dead how can you demoralize him? and if he is alive and people keep searching for a body it is unlikely he will ever be found.

I really really want him found but I truly believe looking for a body is the wrong direction. [/*]

You actually believe that a person's character, reputation, and name is dead the minute they are buried? No, it lives on forever in memory, and in their legacy to their family and their children.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Thats exactly right because it demoralizes the victim here and minimizes the importance of a search for him. [/*]

I'm really sorry you feel that way, Rainy. Personally, I don't think it demoralizes Nicholas, nor does it minimize the importance of finding him.

Everybody has secrets; skeletons in the closet... whatever people wanna call it. We're all human and we all make mistakes. It's really no different than finding out a murder victim didn't have a past that was spic n span. Doesn't mean we still don't fight for justice.

We can't pick and choose the pieces of the puzzle here. The facts are what they are. Double life or not, he is still a missing man and he needs to be found. Isn't that the common ground here?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


I'm really sorry you feel that way, Rainy. Personally, I don't think it demoralizes Nicholas, nor does it minimize the importance of finding him.

Everybody has secrets; skeletons in the closet... whatever people wanna call it. We're all human and we all make mistakes. It's really no different than finding out a murder victim didn't have a past that was spic n span. Doesn't mean we still don't fight for justice.

We can't pick and choose the pieces of the puzzle here. The facts are what they are. Double life or not, he is still a missing man and he needs to be found. Isn't that the common ground here? [/*]

Yes, it absolutely is the common ground here - finding a missing man. But I believe it can be done tastefully since we do not know if he has been brutally murdered. People have suggested everything immoral under the sun with absolutely no proof at all. That bothers me.

[Shimz]

"secret life" doesn't prove that is the reason he is missing. like i said before, finding it could just be a consequence of looking for him... the fact remains that he is missing whether it be because of this "secret life" or not...

granted, some things to me seem like he walked away (saying cell phone was dead... which it could have been or he could have said that because he wanted a few hours to himself) but is that a stronger assumption than the fact that he was a loving caring family man?

I can't decide, but i think whatever bad is said, just as much good is said... so we are all left right back in the beginning..

It is true that no matter what is uncovered there is still nothing to sway in either direction...

that is what is so frustrating (for me anyway)... sometimes I think he walked away and sometimes I think he was the unfortunate victim of foul play...

ALTHOUGH, if it was some random crime i don't see how it could be so clean and that baffles me... and if it was someone he knew, wouldn't someone else who knew this person realize something was up? Could you keep people quiet for THAT long? I am sure you could but i just think there would be signs....

see... back and forth.... :shrug:

[Danette44]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


Yes, he is Danette. That is the way everybody described him. I don't doubt that he is all of those things to all of those people either. But, the fact is a double life has been uncovered in the midst of investigating his disappearance. Sometimes good people make bad choices. It wouldn't be fair in this case to only post about the positives we know about him. [/*]

I'm so confussed is it a "secret life", or a "double life", he lead.....come on - if it was that bad LE would of commented on it and they would of said this case is closed. With people saying she needs to Divorce to "PROTECT", the children is alittle overboard for me. That is saying the worst of this missing person and only a few are defending him on this site. MOO

[Maranatha]

There has always been something about the Sgt's email that has bothered me:

His wife is now publically saying that Nicholas was leading a “secret life” and that leads us even further away from a foul play theory.

Sgt. U is the public information officer of the KCSO. It seems he would know how to spell "publicly".

Just sayin'.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Nellie
Ok here are the quotes about the secret from the Sgt's emails.
I wanted to see exactly what he called it.


http://www.cherigriffiths.com/phpbb3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1000

So, there you have it! He even says there is "no lifestyle indications and no associations". This indicates me that it isn't the lifestyles that many have been speculating about.

And it states that his wife is saying Nicholas was leading a "secret life", so it sounds like that is who has stated the "secret life"...not LE.

LE is calling it "certain activities (not illegal) and Christine was not aware of. But at the same time they are saying "no lifestyle indications or associations". So, to me it does not sound like a Gay lifestyle, a One-Night Sexual Lifestyle, or any Wet associations.

Honestly, it doesn't sound nearly as "immoral" as a lot tend to think. Maybe he was a cross-dresser. Maybe it wasn't something evil at all! [/*]

I think I read:
At this point we have absolutely no evidence that would lead us to believe he was the victim of foul play. No physical evidence, no lifestyle indications, and no associations that would lead us to believe he was a victim.

It says none of these things lead them to believe he was a VICTIM. What is "immoral" to one is normal to others. A gay lifestyle could led them to believe that he walked away and wouldn't cause him to be a victim.

Thanks for sharing that I hadn't seen it and it looks like what he is don't wouldn't get him killed but might cause him to walk way from his life as it was.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


I think I read:


It says none of these things lead them to believe he was a VICTIM. What is "immoral" to one is normal to others. A gay lifestyle could led them to believe that he walked away and wouldn't cause him to be a victim.

Thanks for sharing that I hadn't seen it and it looks like what he is don't wouldn't get him killed but might cause him to walk way from his life as it was. [/*]

It clearly states "no lifestyle indications", are you missing that part?

[Danette44]

Originally posted by SlickLime


IMO, the wife of the missing husband made it about herself with suspicious behavior.

Because of her behavior, I can't help but wonder if she has indeed had contact with NF after he disappeared. Something's not right with CF's story. Can't quite put my finger on it yet.

IMO [/*]

Oh - I agree 100% SlickLime, I think Nicholas made it home that night and that she knows where he is or what happen to him, and all the donations and begging for a new home was a ploy to set her up. JMOO

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Shimz


It clearly states "no lifestyle indications", are you missing that part? [/*]

"No physical evidence, no lifestyle indications, and no associations that would lead us to believe he was a victim."

Read the whole sentence it says there is nothing that leads them to believe he was a victim, not that there is no lifestyle or associations.

So if I read that sentence it says there is nothing that leads them to believe he is a victim. Also the rest of it seems to indicate that he might have just walked away, but they don't know for sure.

[Shimz]

Perhaps whatever was "uncovered" made CF feel betrayed and angry even if she does not know where he is... BUT... without jumping down my throat... there are a few things I find interesting about the bible verses... Some of them seem to be directed at NF... call me crazy.. but..

From the most recent post

7That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord; 8he is a double-minded man, unstable in all he does.

this is after the revelation of the so-called "secret life"

April 13:

20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed

April 11:

16 the face of the LORD is against those who do evil,
to cut off the memory of them from the earth.

and in her own words:

God also tells us to not dwell in the past. we can’t change the past so there is no reason to live in the past

http://thefranciscos.com/


I am sorry but when I read these things sometimes I get the feeling that she knows he is alive and these are messages to him...

all part of my flip flopping back and forth...

[Cheri_G]

Originally posted by Maranatha
There has always been something about the Sgt's email that has bothered me:

His wife is now publically saying that Nicholas was leading a “secret life” and that leads us even further away from a foul play theory.

Sgt. U is the public information officer of the KCSO. It seems he would know how to spell "publicly".

Just sayin'. [/*]

Main Entry: pub·lic·ly
Pronunciation: \ˈpə-bli-klç\

*** Variant(s): also pub·li·cal·ly \-li-k(ə-)lç\ ***

Function: adverb
Date: 1563
1: in a manner observable by or in a place accessible to the public : openly
2 a: by the people generally *: by a government

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/publicly

[MoonFlwr]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
Y'all are doing a very fine job of demonizing Nicholas. well done.

I am new at following cases. Is this the usual pattern in MP cases? Denigrate the missing? [/*]

Sometimes it leads on to that, when people try and speculate about every possible explanation for the missing, (or even in murder cases, dead person).

I am not sure that you can exhaust all options without questioning everything about a person, so, maybe it is the nature of following an unexplained case?! Maybe it just comes with the territory? (Not condoning denigrating anybody, just trying to figure out how discussion often ends up going in that direction).

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


"No physical evidence, no lifestyle indications, and no associations that would lead us to believe he was a victim."

Read the whole sentence it says there is nothing that leads them to believe he was a victim, not that there is no lifestyle or associations.

So if I read that sentence it says there is nothing that leads them to believe he is a victim. Also the rest of it seems to indicate that he might have just walked away, but they don't know for sure. [/*]

to me it indicates that they DON'T KNOW either way... piece by piece

No physical evidence -- maybe he walked?

no lifestyle indications -- no reason to believe he walked?

no associations to lead us to believe he was a victim -- he could have walked, but there is nothing they found that would indicate a reason for walking...

that is the way I read it anyway...

[Danette44]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I have to agree with SE; and sadly the answer is yes. ON many of these cases ppl tend to take a "side" either G or NG......and sometimes it is beyond ridiculous, it's downright ugly.
Trashing the victim has become the new en vogue. I can only think of one case where I actually stuck to my NG and felt that the verdict was correct, the "victim" was in fact the abuser, and I still think it today.

Men, and women, leave their marriages, lives, kids everyday. Women not as often as men. But it happens all the time. If, NF has left, he will have to address the issue at some point, unless he has gone completely under, and has a new ss # and a new name and no intention of ever paying child support. Now that would be a dead beat dad in my book. IF NF is alive, and in 6 mos time he files for divorce, makes contact and arrangements to see and help care for his kids, then I'd have to say, NF was a very unhappy man, who had to get out.

But, iF NFs body is oneday found, I will always wonder, did he make it home that night? So much we were told, just was not true. And, from Nicks perspective, I have to be aware of and remember him, the victim, and just what, was he going thru, to walk away from his life without a trace? IF he is alive. And if he is, he had to be struggling with something, and he still is to this day, most likely in horrible pain about what has happened. And is probably trying to figure out how to fix it somehow. that would be a very sad thing, but I would feel much worse to hear, that he is dead. I dont care what kind of secret life he had, whether that means affairs, drugs, alt lifestyle what EVER that means, if it is
EVEN TRUE. And, until he is found; I too hope LE is watching very very closely. Not all detectives have good gut instinct. Sometimes it takes time and a fresh pair of eyes to look at a case.

I just dont know that there was any concrete evidence of a lifestyle that would cause him to up and leave his life. He had a two year paper trail? Well, for two years he didnt leave.....the only thing I can think of is he stashed away a LARGE amt of $$ and if that were true, and they were a struggling young couple, there would be an element of cruelty in that; say, if your kids had to go without during those two years, or you didnt have enough food one week, or do you get my drift here? That would be cause enough alone to file divorce; but not under these circumstances. I think CF is moving way too fast, for my taste and her actions make me very very uncomfortable.

What, about NICHOLAS?? I could never ever divorce my husband, if one night he just didnt come home from work and was either missing or presumed to be a "runaway"......I'd have to wait, at least a year or more. NO matter, coz those bill collectors will be coming, either way. There is no reason to file, at this stage in the game. I dont see any papers filed yet in King Co..
Just the move has made me uncomfortable enough. I would only have done that, after I told EVERYONE, sorry for the alarm, it's clear my husband wasnt who he said he was, it looks as if he left, now I need to take care of me, and the kids.

But, to do that; you'd have to stop taking in donations. So, to me this all still makes my hinky meter, go to the red zone. Sorryyyy
Cat [/*]

Great post CT!

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Shimz


to me it indicates that they DON'T KNOW either way... piece by piece

No physical evidence -- maybe he walked?

no lifestyle indications -- no reason to believe he walked?

no associations to lead us to believe he was a victim -- he could have walked, but there is nothing they found that would indicate a reason for walking...

that is the way I read it anyway... [/*]
"No physical evidence, no lifestyle indications, and no associations that would lead us to believe he was a victim."

You do English much different then I do. I read that as no physical evidence that would lead us to believe he is a victim, No lifestyle indications that leads us to believe he was a victim, No associations that would lead us to believe he was a victim.

At least that was how I was taught to read a sentence like that.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by Danette44


I'm so confussed is it a "secret life", or a "double life", he lead.....come on - if it was that bad LE would of commented on it and they would of said this case is closed. With people saying she needs to Divorce to "PROTECT", the children is alittle overboard for me. That is saying the worst of this missing person and only a few are defending him on this site. MOO [/*]

I know... I am confused as well. I don't understand a lot about this whole thing. I don't understand the secret/double life, but IMO it is NOT about kinky sex or anything like that. Isn't that kind of thing illegal anyway?

I do think it's more than just about a secret paypal account though... heck, I'd be tickled to find out my hubby was stashing money away for a rainy day. I know I wouldn't divorce him over something that trivial - especially if he was missing! That's just me though.

And, as I've said before, I do question some of the wife's behavior, and after praying about this whole divorce thing since Sat - the only thing I keep coming up with is: If it were me and my husband went missing and during that investigation I were to find out about a secret/double life - I asked myself in that scenario - what would make me feel like getting a divorce before my hubby was even found? For me, it would have to be a big betrayal on a personal level.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

"No physical evidence, no lifestyle indications, and no associations that would lead us to believe he was a victim."

You do English much different then I do. I read that as no physical evidence that would lead us to believe he is a victim, No lifestyle indications that leads us to believe he was a victim, No associations that would lead us to believe he was a victim.

At least that was how I was taught to read a sentence like that. [/*]

Yes if you wanted every sentence to read "that would lead us to believe he was a victim"... question... when would a lifestyle indication lead to being a victim? I mean, all of your posts seem to indicate you believe he was gay.. so when would "being a closet homosexual" be reason for you to be a victim? The way I read it, is if that were the case, that would be a reason for him to leave, yet there was no indication that he was gay or led a certain kind of lifestyle that he may prefer over his current one, so therefore, not evident of a motive to walk..

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


I know... I am confused as well. I don't understand a lot about this whole thing. I don't understand the secret/double life, but IMO it is NOT about kinky sex or anything like that. Isn't that kind of thing illegal anyway?
[/*]

kinky sex is not in the least illegal. If fact there is a perfectly legal non profit that the police know all about that is kinky as all get out. At least in Washington and Seattle.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

"No physical evidence, no lifestyle indications, and no associations that would lead us to believe he was a victim."

You do English much different then I do. I read that as no physical evidence that would lead us to believe he is a victim, No lifestyle indications that leads us to believe he was a victim, No associations that would lead us to believe he was a victim.

At least that was how I was taught to read a sentence like that. [/*]

I also wouldn't take english lessons from someone who cannot spell the word "thought" there is T at the end of that word by the way

[Silver_Dove]

I keep getting the feeling people want Nicholas to be dead. Rather then gay and/or kinky. Why? Would it make him a bad person? No, not in the least some of my best friends are gay and/or kinky and are wonderful people and friends.

I just don't believe he is dead. Ever single thing I have learn points to the fact that he could very easily have walked away and nothing that would indicate he was a victim of foul play.

Every indication from the police is they believe he walked away but they can't find him to confirm it. Every behavior from Christine indicates that she also believes it and would love to find him to serve him papers for divorce personally.

Sound to me like the police aren't releasing the info on the secret life out of respect for Christine and her children.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Shimz


I also wouldn't take english lessons from someone who cannot spell the word "thought" there is T at the end of that word by the way [/*]:lol: ya I do spell bad don't I but really just diagram the sentence and you will see what I mean.

BTW English should be capitalized.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


kinky sex is not in the least illegal. If fact there is a perfectly legal non profit that the police know all about that is kinky as all get out. At least in Washington and Seattle. [/*]

I'm confused! Soliciting for sex is illegal, isn't it?

Prostitutes are illegal, aren't they?

I don't know why this keeps coming to sex :confused:

LE said his activities weren't illegal so it can't be about going to kinky sex clubs and paying for sex - that's a little off the wall for me, sorry!

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


kinky sex is not in the least illegal. If fact there is a perfectly legal non profit that the police know all about that is kinky as all get out. At least in Washington and Seattle. [/*]

It is illegal when you are married and you are doing it with other people

[isitme]

a couple of years of gambling - hiding it from CF - losing lots of money in gambling debts . . . sounds like something that would devistate her and take away from the family.

Just something that comes to mind as a possible "secret". Not sure that I am convinced that that is the secret but . . .

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


I'm confused! Soliciting for sex is illegal, isn't it?

Prostitutes are illegal, aren't they?

I don't know why this keeps coming to sex :confused:

LE said his activities weren't illegal so it can't be about going to kinky sex clubs and paying for sex - that's a little off the wall for me, sorry! [/*]

soliciting is illegal and prostitution is illegal.

You do not pay to have sex at the club you can also do nude yoga, nude drawing and if you meet someone and you both want to have sex you can but you are never ever required to. There is never ever a payment for sex. There is no way you will have sex if someone else doesn't want to have sex with you.

There is a club like this 3 minutes from where Nicholas worked.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Shimz


It is illegal when you are married and you are doing it with other people [/*]

Not in Washington. That I know for sure.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove
I keep getting the feeling people want Nicholas to be dead. Rather then gay and/or kinky. Why? Would it make him a bad person? No, not in the least some of my best friends are gay and/or kinky and are wonderful people and friends.

I just don't believe he is dead. Ever single thing I have learn points to the fact that he could very easily have walked away and nothing that would indicate he was a victim of foul play.

Every indication from the police is they believe he walked away but they can't find him to confirm it. Every behavior from Christine indicates that she also believes it and would love to find him to serve him papers for divorce personally.

Sound to me like the police aren't releasing the info on the secret life out of respect for Christine and her children. [/*]

I don't want him to be dead.
And I think he could have walked away.
That, as a matter of fact, was my first thought when I first heard about the case and that he was active on the internet.
But we just don't know.
And the police have said it could be either way....walked or foul play.

I'm still waiting for someone to list the "negatives" about Nicholas that they KNOW of, besides toast in the toaster. LOL!
I'm sure he wasn't "perfect" but I am not ready to turn himi into some immoral monster who left his wife and kids for kinky sex.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


soliciting is illegal and prostitution is illegal.

You do not pay to have sex at the club you can also do nude yoga, nude drawing and if you meet someone and you both want to have sex you can but you are never ever required to. There is never ever a payment for sex. There is no way you will have sex if someone else doesn't want to have sex with you.

There is a club like this 3 minutes from where Nicholas worked. [/*]

Yes, so we have heard......

[Nellie]

Originally posted by isitme
a couple of years of gambling - hiding it from CF - losing lots of money in gambling debts . . . sounds like something that would devistate her and take away from the family.

Just something that comes to mind as a possible "secret". Not sure that I am convinced that that is the secret but . . . [/*]

Could be. Would it be legal gambling?

How about "male dancer"? A little side job to make extra $$$$.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


soliciting is illegal and prostitution is illegal.

You do not pay to have sex at the club you can also do nude yoga, nude drawing and if you meet someone and you both want to have sex you can but you are never ever required to. There is never ever a payment for sex. There is no way you will have sex if someone else doesn't want to have sex with you.

There is a club like this 3 minutes from where Nicholas worked. [/*]

I'm sure obvious things like that were checked by LE.

I don't know, Silver, but I think he'd probably :chicken: from that sort of thing. I can't imagine too many people would be interested in that stuff; unless they're swingers, and since I highly doubt the Francisco's were swingers - I'm gonna :chicken: from this topic too :D

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


soliciting is illegal and prostitution is illegal.

You do not pay to have sex at the club you can also do nude yoga, nude drawing and if you meet someone and you both want to have sex you can but you are never ever required to. There is never ever a payment for sex. There is no way you will have sex if someone else doesn't want to have sex with you.

There is a club like this 3 minutes from where Nicholas worked. [/*]

Give it a rest, already. You already said all that yesterday. and the day before. and the day before that. and so on.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Not in Washington. That I know for sure. [/*]

I stand corrected! :punch:

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by Nellie


Could be. Would it be legal gambling?

How about "male dancer"? A little side job to make extra $$$$. [/*]

LMAO Nellie.... Nah, from the pics I've seen I don't really think he had the body for that jmo :D

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


soliciting is illegal and prostitution is illegal.

You do not pay to have sex at the club you can also do nude yoga, nude drawing and if you meet someone and you both want to have sex you can but you are never ever required to. There is never ever a payment for sex. There is no way you will have sex if someone else doesn't want to have sex with you.

There is a club like this 3 minutes from where Nicholas worked. [/*]

There is a club like that 3 minutes from my job in Rockefeller center where THOUSANDS of people work... there are clubs like that ALL OVER cities... and I think it is safe to say that the majority of working people do NOT frequent these clubs... although I am sure plenty do, but I don't think there is ANY evidence pointing in that direction and it is a HORRIBLE thing to insinuate about someone you know nothing about

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


LMAO Nellie.... Nah, from the pics I've seen I don't really think he had the body for that jmo :D [/*]

LOL!

Ok, I think his "secret" earned money. I also think his "secret" was online, as I remember LE as relying on the internet for their investigation.

So, what could he do online to earn money?
Hey, maybe he had secret design companies and a secret Pay Pal account for it.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


I'm sure obvious things like that were checked by LE.

I don't know, Silver, but I think he'd probably :chicken: from that sort of thing. I can't imagine too many people would be interested in that stuff; unless they're swingers, and since I highly doubt the Francisco's were swingers - I'm gonna :chicken: from this topic too [/*]

You would be surprised who are swingers! We have some in our small town and it's a shocker to find out who! :D

But that would be a lifestyle, wouldn't it? I don't think the "secret" is a lifestyle.

[Shimz]

just to bring up a point since I can't make my mind up...

if NF walked away, and was so good at being able to cover his tracks that noone has any clue where he went... why would he leave a paper trail? I would think that he would go through great lengths to hide this being as there has been NOTHING else to come up as far as know.... just seems like he would have crossed his t's and dotted his i's ... ahh who knows.. i guess you can't erase bank transactions though...

[Danette44]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Not in Washington. That I know for sure. [/*]

You know this how?? You do it?? Why does it always have to come back to these kinky clubs when you start posting.......who cares.......if Nicholas was indeed in one of them places - than thank Christine for that - it's saying she wasn't woman enough for her man......:lol: :lol:

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by CAT TOY


Yikes somehow I just cant imgine doing the down dog in the nude? Or a lot of other yoga positions lmao!!

Yep, I remember a few kinky clubs downtown where I worked too. One, I did go to it was like a very high priced private bath house I guess you could call it that. By the hour fees, a private room with a bed, and music and a whirlpool but it wasnt gender specific; and was really trendy and above all else, super clean.

:) DH liked it hehe [/*]

:eek:

Did they have bats? LMAO

[Shimz]

posts 79 and 83... how do you "forget" something like that? just seems like finding him isn't the priority and it makes me wonder why... I'm sure this was discussed already but here it is anyway

http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/christine-were-thinking-of-you-and-your-family/#respond

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by Nellie


You would be surprised who are swingers! We have some in our small town and it's a shocker to find out who! :D

But that would be a lifestyle, wouldn't it? I don't think the "secret" is a lifestyle. [/*]

Oh yeah, I know. And people aren't quiet about it either. It's like no big deal to some. I remember getting propositioned by a woman once during karaoke - she said to me, "Hey, I'll share mine if you'll share yours..." I was like :eek: and :chicken:

[Shimz]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Wow stripping; I hadnt thought of that....he sure could have been doing that or the gambling. But then again, lots of college students strip to get thru college. Its easy money. Maybe Nicholas was stashing away large amts of money, and that, like LE said, isnt illegal by any means. It would fall under alt lifestyle for sure.

But I still am not convinced he is alive. when I thnk about this case, my mind always goes back to all his worldy belongings, and his sketch books left on his desk at work. If he were involved in a lifestyle where he could have been drugged and harmed; and his car taken and never to be seen again.........wouldnt we know about that? I haven't seen LE say anything about Risky behavior.
just stashing away money; wouldnt be illegal. Is there a race track near Federal Way? Horses? Dog Racing? [/*]


We do not know "for sure" that his most precious belongings were not taken with him... as for the sketch books, were there any pages missing? Were there more than just those? how does LE know how many sketch books he had or what his most important ones were? just saying..

[isitme]

Originally posted by Nellie


Could be. Would it be legal gambling?

How about "male dancer"? A little side job to make extra $$$$. [/*]

Isn't on line gamblng legal? At least some of it is, in some states.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by Shimz
posts 79 and 83... how do you "forget" something like that? just seems like finding him isn't the priority and it makes me wonder why... I'm sure this was discussed already but here it is anyway


http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/christine-were-thinking-of-you-and-your-family/#respond [/*]

What gets me is if she was moving because everyone knew where she lived because of these boards - well she did a good job posting her move.......anyone could of been in hiding and watching.......moo

[need2no]

Originally posted by K Anne


OMG WTH is wrong with you. barf

If he's reading the forums he's out there free of his marital partnership, free of the responsibility of parenting his 2 beautiful kids and the baby on the way, free of paying his mortgage, free of going to work 9-5...

You know who the real victims are in this story? It's those kids. Nicholas's kids are suffering from what he did -- if you go with the idea that he walked and is out there reading these forums -- his kids are suffering because of what HE DID. If he is alive somewhere and willfully invisible to his family, he is *hurting his own children*.

And you hope he gets the jump? That is totally crazy. [/*]

Perhaps before you barf you would like to get all the facts (from both sides) in this case....if NF walked it's not fair to make assumptions or pass judgement without hearing both sides, and you should also take the time to re-read my post...I did NOT say I hope NF gets the jump. Futhermore if NF did walk I suspect he is missing his children very much but realizes full well they are a package deal with CF.

And yes the children are the real victims, just as they always are when domestic issues arise between parents. However children are often better off not living with both parents when those parents can't get along for whatever reason.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Danette44


What gets me is if she was moving because everyone knew where she lived because of these boards - well she did a good job posting her move.......anyone could of been in hiding and watching.......moo [/*]

I thought she was moving because she got a house with free rent

[inv]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Sounds like Christine feels the same way over something he has done, too. Funny I figure he left her because of being needy and now I'm finding myself defending her.

"A 'paper trail' has been uncovered that goes back a few years. This side of Nicholas was totally hidden from his family. It has shattered her life and taken everything from her and the kids."

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2562&page=12 [/*]


"A 'paper trail' has been uncovered that goes back a few years. This side of Nicholas was totally hidden from his family. It has shattered her life and taken everything from her and the kids."

Maybe Harlett would like to back this statement up with some hard evidence that this came from LE and not CF.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
it was really clear, she got a free house. It had nothing to do with the boards, or everyone knowing her address, That, is a tall tale. I dont buy it. [/*]

You are correct CT - but at one point she was getting upset with everyone knowing where she lived also. To me the new house and donations was all a set up - and she got them both.....moo

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie
they are saying on OC that Harletts place was hacked into today :eek:
Anybody know anything? [/*]

This is all the farther I have read.. to answer a couple of questions.. yes, we were hacked.. not once, but 2 times today. We believe we have gotten a bit too close for comfort on a missing case with information.. the person is an IT person that breaks codes for Ipods and other things.. so we think it was more than like him.. especially since he left the personal message on the 2nd hack about what I could do to myself :D

There aren't any Virus' attached to the hackings.. we ran a virus scan on the site before it opened back up again, 2 times... and we restored from a point before we were hacked, and that did not contain any virus either.

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by beetlebrow


Wow...everyone who signed up....has info at risk. I hope HOH has good security. [/*]

There is NO info at risk.. all this hacker wanted was to shut the board down...

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by CAT TOY


they are always manipulative to me; and a poor me and yet, another crisis, this time the pox! :eek: That is what I think when I read some of the posts, they never are about Nick and maybe that's why he is missing? As a married woman, this is screaming out loud and clear to me.....

I see the posts as manipulative; many of them have been as have been the I felt my baby move post, this baby wont know its daddy comment, that stuff. None of it adds up to me. what if it was all a scam? To get out from a Financial burden? Terrible thought, that. We do have confirmation of that, there was financial trouble that we know.
Yet NF has had the resources to leave without a trace......

I also want to know about the taxes, his SS# and if it's been used, And, whether or not he is really missing. Without his family talking, it makes me think that he isnt missing at all. CF only talks about herself and the "kiddos" and that also; that phrase, bugs me. The Kiddos? wth is up with that. I flip flop too. With good reason. [/*]

I wish I could remember the title and channel I viewed it on, but I did watch a true story not that long ago about a husband who faked his death and the wife went along with it for the insurance money because they were in a real financial bind.

Well, nobody suspected anything and this woman got all kinds of sympathy and financial help, as well as insurance. It wasn't until her son started talking about the mom's new boyfriend that people became suspicious because this woman told her kids that daddy was dead. Nobody saw the new boyfriend but when the aunt started asking the little boy about the boyfriend, the kid started talking - he said the boyfriend was daddy but that daddy had a new name. :eek: I can't imagine a woman doing that to her own kids - mental cruelty. But, desperate people do crazy desperate things sometimes. I don't know about that being the case here - but some people have speculated as to that too.

[inv]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


If he is dead how can you demoralize him? and if he is alive and people keep searching for a body it is unlikely he will ever be found.

I really really want him found but I truly believe looking for a body is the wrong direction. [/*]

What direction would you suggest then? Looking in clubs?

[figritout]

Originally posted by inv



"A 'paper trail' has been uncovered that goes back a few years. This side of Nicholas was totally hidden from his family. It has shattered her life and taken everything from her and the kids."

Maybe Harlett would like to back this statement up with some hard evidence that this came from LE and not CF. [/*]

Yup, I agree. How about backing up many of the statements? What's with throwing things out without anything to substantiate them?

[Shimz]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Well, I did blog about that a bit, that I never had any verification that his things at "home" were still there. Afterall, none of his family members verified his belongings were or were not there. You only have the spouses word. And I did, question it early on. I felt with good reason, I wanted to know; are all his tennis shoes there? Any bags missing? Anything at all? Well, the word was nothing, all his art, everything, all his clothes, everything still there, and his two sketch books he carried everywhere, left on his desk, at work. Does that really sound like a man, who ran away? If I was going to run away, I'd at the very least take my favorite T shirt, dress, shoes, etc. You know the deal....we'd have a bag of our favorite things, wouldnt we????
CT [/*]

But he also left a job he probably enjoyed... Maybe he wanted to just leave everything behind.. the sketch books were too hard a reminder of what he walked away maybe?? who knows, also there could have been pages missing you know? I really think this could go either way, but I also think that his wife is milking it for all it is worth and seems to be less and less concerned about finding him... but that is JMOO

[Danette44]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Hey Dan, I remember that yes I do, and I say
Bullpuckey. Your love of your life is missing. Lots of ppl who go missing their cases are all over the net. And the spouses dont up and move, what is she paranoid? No, it was something else, I think. Am not sure, but that would be irrational in my book, just another irrational, behavior that would make me say HUH>?>?
GMAB [/*]

I would be very pleas to help i way....:D

[inv]

Originally posted by isitme
a couple of years of gambling - hiding it from CF - losing lots of money in gambling debts . . . sounds like something that would devistate her and take away from the family.

Just something that comes to mind as a possible "secret". Not sure that I am convinced that that is the secret but . . . [/*]

Funny that you should mention that. I think there is someone on this board with a gambling problem. You never know what you are going to find when you try.

imo

[late4dinner]

this link:
http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dcbh2vh8_12chs2qchq

was put together by a poster at WS and has comprehensive information & links to all aspects of this case.

the info from LE about secret life is towards the bottom.

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by CAT TOY


NO way, you are actually thinking that he did this to your board??
Nicholas?? [/*]

NO.. I wasn't talking about Nicholas :D

[Shimz]

Cat toy check your pms =)

[Shimz]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


This is all the farther I have read.. to answer a couple of questions.. yes, we were hacked.. not once, but 2 times today. We believe we have gotten a bit too close for comfort on a missing case with information.. the person is an IT person that breaks codes for Ipods and other things.. so we think it was more than like him.. especially since he left the personal message on the 2nd hack about what I could do to myself :D

There aren't any Virus' attached to the hackings.. we ran a virus scan on the site before it opened back up again, 2 times... and we restored from a point before we were hacked, and that did not contain any virus either. [/*]

That is very scary Harlett, I hope he did not get your address or anything... Be careful!

[isitme]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
OH maybe as in running up a huge online debt? That's another thing I've not thought of, a huge debt that could have been run up. Would be a good reason to split tho......now that, makes some sense to me. But, if I found that; I'd be pleading with my loved one to please come home, we will make things alright, get help etc....you know what I mean?? :(
CT [/*]

Well it would leave a paper trail, be legal, take everything away from the family if he lost lots of $$, devistate CF because of her need for $$ to spend freely (IMHO), explain the financial troubles that she claimed in the very beginning as well as the need for filing bankruptcy and the threat of foreclosure. Possibly even explain the secret Paypal account. Gambling in and of itself is not something he would need to be ashamed of (IMHO) but he may have become destrought when it got out of hand.

Given how she reacts to things I can understand that he may not have wanted to talk to her about the matter.

Just thinking out loud about what the "secret" could be that would not involve sex and/or drugs.

[inv]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
The water perhaps? [/*]

Or near? I think so- so strongly that I would do it myself if I were close.

edited for spelling, I need some sleep, lol!

[isitme]

and IF the secret were a big gambling thing I don't necessarily believe it had anything to do with him vanishing. There are too many other questons I would need to have answers to before I could link it in my mind that there was a connection.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by SlickLime


I thought I read the company NF works for was still paying him. Her mortgage was paid through April.

IMO [/*]

exactly...

[kpb]

Originally posted by n/t
SD sounds like you are very angry about some of your personal issues.

This is about Nicholas and not your ex husband. All that you've said was done by your ex and not Nicholas so please don't accuse Nicholas of the things your husband did to you. [/*]

I still have 3 pages of reading to go, but just had to tell you n/t, I was thinking the same thing! :beer:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by late4dinner
this link:
http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dcbh2vh8_12chs2qchq

was put together by a poster at WS and has comprehensive information & links to all aspects of this case.

the info from LE about secret life is towards the bottom. [/*]

The secret life is all over this board too. And at WS. But the point is, where is it backed up? Anyone can say it on a board, but it doesn't necessarily make it so. Some are wondering where the "secret life" terminology originated? Did Christine coin that phrase for Nicholas? LE only said he had secret activities. That could be anything he hid from Christine. It could have been as benign as selling his designs from a website she didn't know about. Or it could be a discussion board he was a member of. But obviously it wasn't something that has lead to finding him.
LE said it wasn't a "lifestyle".

[Musterion]

Originally posted by Danette44


I'm so confussed is it a "secret life", or a "double life", he lead.....come on - if it was that bad LE would of commented on it and they would of said this case is closed. With people saying she needs to Divorce to "PROTECT", the children is alittle overboard for me. That is saying the worst of this missing person and only a few are defending him on this site. MOO [/*]

Hi Danette,

Yes, it can seem over the top. I realize it can sound that way.

I do disagree, though, that if it wasn't that bad they would say case closed. I think whatever they have found it would lead them into further investigation to find out where he is. I don't believe that they would disclose what it is because it could hurt the investigation. The case isn't closed and that is the reason I believe there COULD be something to the activities that LE is alluding to regarding Nicholas. JMO.

I don't believe that Nicholas was/is a bad person. I've said that as much as I can say it and I'll keep saying that. But, I will continue to answer questions brought up that are asked how a woman could divorce a missing man. I think it is relevant to the context of the case. If those questions aren't asked then I wouldn't see a need to comment my thoughts on why Christine could think of divorcing Nicholas. That is the context I am coming from. IMO.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by Nellie
And it states that his wife is saying Nicholas was leading a "secret life", so it sounds like that is who has stated the "secret life"...not LE. [/*]

From Cheri Griffith to Jon Holland, lead detective. And his answer back.

Find post here: http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dcbh2vh8_12chs2qchq##rumors

From: Cheri Griffiths
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 4:43 AM
To: Holland, Jon
Subject: RE: Nicholas Francisco/Your post to my board.

"What is the source of the "secret life" information? Did Christine inform LE? Did someone else, if so who - not who as in giving us names, but a "reliable source" etc.? Or was it based on information that was discovered through your investigation?"

Detective Hollands's Answer: "Discovered by me".

JMO.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Musterion


From Cheri Griffith to Jon Holland, lead detective. And his answer back.

Find post here: http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dcbh2vh8_12chs2qchq##rumors

From: Cheri Griffiths
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 4:43 AM
To: Holland, Jon
Subject: RE: Nicholas Francisco/Your post to my board.

"What is the source of the "secret life" information? Did Christine inform LE? Did someone else, if so who - not who as in giving us names, but a "reliable source" etc.? Or was it based on information that was discovered through your investigation?"

Detective Hollands's Answer: "Discovered by me".

JMO. [/*]

Thank you Musterion. Even though he didn't actually use the term....he answered a question that had it in it. So, perhaps he did mean a secret life. So I'm racking my brain to figure out what it could have been and how he had time for it. I still think it was internet based, as C would have known if he was gone away from home an unusual amount of time.

[late4dinner]

This is from the google page, via HOH on HFTM:

Information posted on: ^top
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2562&page=12




(this information came from HarlettOHara from helpfindthemissing.org forum)


I am in contact with Nicholas' wife Christine on a daily basis. I have had communications with Sgt. John Urquhart , King County Sheriff's Office. The following is a list of facts that have been confirmed.

Nicholas Francisco disappeared Feb. 13, 2008 after leaving work and never making it home.

Christine Francisco reported him missing that evening.

Nicholas' vechicle was found at Heritage Condos on South 340th Street Federal Way at about 10:20 a.m.

The Francisco home has been searched and nothing was found to be amiss there.

Christine Francisco has been interviewed by the LE and they have found no reason to believe that she was involved in or knows anything about Nicholas' disappearance.

Nicholas' family has been interviewed
Mars Hill Church has been interviewed
Nicholas' co-workers have been interviewed

Nicholas' vehicle has been processed, they will not release if anything was found.. but did indicate that nothing was found that would lead to foul play.

They do not know if Nicholas disappeared voluntarily or was the victim of foul play, they have said they have absolutely no evidence of the latter. They have no evidence specifically as to where he is…..or why.

Detective Jon Holland found evidence that Nicholas is/was leading a double life. He gave this information to Christine and from there we started researching more and more.

A 'paper trail' has been uncovered that goes back a few years. This side of Nicholas was totally hidden from his family. It has shattered her life and taken everything from her and the kids.

Much of Nicholas' on line presence has been located and more is being found, along with different yahoo accounts with different names.

There were 2 paypal accounts.. one was unknown to Christine.

Nicholas made an atm withdraw from the "secret" paypal account that night at 6:13PM. he withdrew $54.. (I am assuming he withdrew $50 and there was a $4 charge for doing so). That's where Nicholas' trail ends.... We are trying to access more accounts to see if it will tell us why or what Nicholas was doing in Federal Way, if he was indeed there.

The last call on his cell phone was actually at 4:47PM.. the battery had not been dead all day.. that may have been just a story Nicholas made up so he would have a reason to tell Christine why he did not answer his phone and someone would be able to back his story up if needed.

As far as LE and Christine know, Nicholas has not been in contact with anyone.. including family.

Nicholas' two main sketch books that he took everywhere were left on his desk at work, none of his clothes, shoes or artwork is missing form his home. The feeling is that 'if' Nicholas walked, it was not planned.

Nicholas' family has ended up with financial problems due to his disappearance.

Christine met with a Financial Adviser and the Bank, it was agreed by all that it would be in her best interest to give the house back to the bank and let them sell it. They did not feel that she would be able to handle the mortgage, taxes, maintenance and repairs on the home on her own at this time.

Nicholas Francisco and Viliamu Fale cases are not connected according to LE.

I have also talked to Stephanie Fale, Viliamu's wife, she says the cases are not connected.

There are no searches planned by LE at this point as they have no indications of any foul play.

The investigation is still on going by LE.. and we have agreed to help obtain information.

Fliers were put up in Federal Way last weekend by Mysteryphobia, she asked a few questions. Some thought Nicholas may be around there. Isamashii went back down there today 4/5 and there were no fliers to be found. Someone had removed all of the fliers. She put more out and talked to some of the residents from the Complex. The info she got was either they didn't know Nicholas or they didn't want to get involved.

TES was sent a contact email , it was not answered and that could be because of a change in staff that they have made. When things started coming out about Nicholas' life it was decided to wait on contacting them again until further information could be obtained as to whether a search is even necessary.



from HOH on Help Find the Missing

[Musterion]

Originally posted by Nellie


Thank you Musterion. Even though he didn't actually use the term....he answered a question that had it in it. So, perhaps he did mean a secret life. So I'm racking my brain to figure out what it could have been and how he had time for it. I still think it was internet based, as C would have known if he was gone away from home an unusual amount of time. [/*]

I know.

I hope we know what happened soon.

If Nicholas were my brother or son, as I've said before, there would be absolutely nothing that he could do that would make me not love him. Nothing that would make me not want him in my life. I may not like what he'd done but all I would ever think about was how I could get him back and keep him close to me.

I know it is different for a wife. The emotions are different. IMO.

Praying for them all tonight.

[Carol25]

I read the link on the previous page. Isn't anyone concerned about the chicken pox and her being pregnant? If she hasn't had chicken pox, she'll be giving it to the baby and that will possibly lead to birth defects. Does she know this? Does she see a Dr?

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Carol25
I read the link on the previous page. Isn't anyone concerned about the chicken pox and her being pregnant? If she hasn't had chicken pox, she'll be giving it to the baby and that will possibly lead to birth defects. Does she know this? Does she see a Dr? [/*]

Yes, I had thought of the danger of chicken pox when pregnant.
She never mentioned any concern.
And no mention of a Dr. for her pregnancy.
Actually, it's odd to me that she's not been the typical pregnant woman who updates everyone about her appointments/progress.
Surprises me, I guess. She updates people about her new house...but not her baby. Strange to me.....

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Danette44


You know this how?? You do it?? Why does it always have to come back to these kinky clubs when you start posting.......who cares.......if Nicholas was indeed in one of them places - than thank Christine for that - it's saying she wasn't woman enough for her man...... [/*]

I know because I worked for a political candidate in Washington who needed to know :D and did you ever think it was because maybe she wasn't man enough for him

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Carol25
I read the link on the previous page. Isn't anyone concerned about the chicken pox and her being pregnant? If she hasn't had chicken pox, she'll be giving it to the baby and that will possibly lead to birth defects. Does she know this? Does she see a Dr? [/*]

Could be she has had them already or been vaccinated for them.

What does this have to do with finding Nicholas?

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by SlickLime


IF it were in fact gambling away the family $$$ was discovered, it may not be a fact that it was NF who did it.

What if the secret account was a place to hide $$$ from CF to keep her from spending it?

Hi SlickLime, I've posted about that before, that maybe due to CF's spending (maybe it was over-spending, out of control spending) that he set up other account/s with funds that she could not spend all that up.

She posted before about a $900 + purchase that her husband wanted her to return, several of her E community members have posted about what the start up costs run for the different businesses on the E site then I can't recall the exact time she was trying to get folks to go in on bulk yardage purchases.

If he walked, that may have been the catalyst, going online to see his wife's latest uploads on her shop's site the day before he disappeared and being asked to pick up the organic sugar (that is used on the shop she also just opened that month, IRRC).

So it's not too far-fetched that each were doing "hidden" things with money...one was trying to keep hidden accounts for saving money, the other trying to hide the true amount of money being spent. imo

Since I didn't see it posted here, I'm going to read around to see if the latest body from Nick's area has been ID'd yet.

~Still Hope for Nick~

[inv]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


I know because I worked for a political candidate in Washington who needed to know :D and did you ever think it was because maybe she wasn't man enough for him [/*]

Do you really think Nicholas is gay? Can you explain why you would think this? Why do you continue with the accusation that Nicholas is gay and might be going to sex clubs?

Spell out your thoughts on this for me because I don't get it.

Have you chatted with Nick online. Have you found a profile belonging to Nick that would suggest he is gay? Do you know Nick and know he is gay? Have you seen him at one of these clubs? Has someone not on these boards told you he is gay?

For all I know, you are a man. Did you have a relationship with him?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by inv


Do you really think Nicholas is gay? Can you explain why you would think this? Why do you continue with the accusation that Nicholas is gay and might be going to sex clubs?

Spell out your thoughts on this for me because I don't get it.

Have you chatted with Nick online. Have you found a profile belonging to Nick that would suggest he is gay? Do you know Nick and know he is gay? Have you seen him at one of these clubs? Has someone not on these boards told you he is gay?

For all I know, you are a man. Did you have a relationship with him? [/*]

Hey INV - yesterday all she posted was that NF had a woman on the side and was supporting her. Now she is back to him being gay. Personally I don't care what his sexual preference is. He is still missing last time I checked and that should be the focus. IMO

[Danette44]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


I know because I worked for a political candidate in Washington who needed to know :D and did you ever think it was because maybe she wasn't man enough for him [/*]

If you're still on the kick of him being gay - that sure wouldn't give her a cause to PROTECT the children - Christine is going to have some serious problems if Nicholas is found alive and she knew about it from the start. moo

[Danette44]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi Danette,

Yes, it can seem over the top. I realize it can sound that way.

I do disagree, though, that if it wasn't that bad they would say case closed. I think whatever they have found it would lead them into further investigation to find out where he is. I don't believe that they would disclose what it is because it could hurt the investigation. The case isn't closed and that is the reason I believe there COULD be something to the activities that LE is alluding to regarding Nicholas. JMO.

I don't believe that Nicholas was/is a bad person. I've said that as much as I can say it and I'll keep saying that. But, I will continue to answer questions brought up that are asked how a woman could divorce a missing man. I think it is relevant to the context of the case. If those questions aren't asked then I wouldn't see a need to comment my thoughts on why Christine could think of divorcing Nicholas. That is the context I am coming from. IMO. [/*]

GM Musterion

I understand where you are coming from and agree to some point, I think what bothers me is if LE says it's not illegal, nothing to do with his lifestyle, then why is there a need to throw out there to PROTECT the children? This man is not a monster - what could be so bad to go this far as in divorcing the Father of her children while he is still missing. And wouldn't this tell people she knows he's alive now? Anhway, have a great day I'm off to work.....:seeya:

[inv]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Hey INV - yesterday all she posted was that NF had a woman on the side and was supporting her. Now she is back to him being gay. Personally I don't care what his sexual preference is. He is still missing last time I checked and that should be the focus. IMO [/*]

Hi Rainy.

:shrug: I don't know where SD is coming from on this. With her (or him, I don't know), it always comes back to him being gay. I want to know why. And I want to know why he/she feels that Nicholas would be found in a gay sex club. Are they trying to distract someone?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by inv


Hi Rainy.

:shrug: I don't know where SD is coming from on this. With her (or him, I don't know), it always comes back to him being gay. I want to know why. And I want to know why he/she feels that Nicholas would be found in a gay sex club. [/*]

Well good luck with that lol - I've asked several times so we could put the issue to rest. The most I've gotten is that there is a place three minutes from where he works. :rolleyes:

[inv]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Well good luck with that lol - I've asked several times so we could put the issue to rest. The most I've gotten is that there is a place three minutes from where he works. :rolleyes: [/*]

Well, I hear what you are saying. That's the only reason I saw, too. What bothers me is that no matter the topic at hand, with SD it always comes back to those clubs and sexual preference. If I have that strong of an opinion about something like that, it is going to be more than 'there is a club three minutes away' or 'the gas station on Elliott Ave. is between Publicis and the club'.

[inv]

I was thinking on my way back from taking my son to his mom's for school this morning. I wonder if Nicholas typically left his car doors unlocked? I know when his car was discovered at the condos, the doors were unlocked. Maybe if we knew if this was normal for him, it would give even a small clue who was driving it when it was parked.

[decor]

didn't his father have a court date but he had disappeared too. anyone know what happened with the court date? or if the father was located?

[n/t]

Originally posted by inv
I was thinking on my way back from taking my son to his mom's for school this morning. I wonder if Nicholas typically left his car doors unlocked? I know when his car was discovered at the condos, the doors were unlocked. Maybe if we knew if this was normal for him, it would give even a small clue who was driving it when it was parked. [/*]

I think the car still holds a lot of clues. Wonder who has it? Was it returned? I asked the question a few times but nobody seems to know.

The fact that it was left unlocked, no fingerprints may mean that he drove it there but may have been either pulled out from the car or he stepped out and something happened while he was out of the car. I keep going back to Nick probably having to meet someone there to sign off on something. What that is, I don't know.

Not sure how many people leave their cars unlocked these days. I'm guessing a dad with children would NOT.

ALL IMO!

[n/t]

Nicholas, if you're out there, please call someone. Do it for your children. Please.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/345850/4_62_francisco_nicholas4.jpg

:rose:

[inv]

Originally posted by n/t


I think the car still holds a lot of clues. Wonder who has it? Was it returned? I asked the question a few times but nobody seems to know.

The fact that it was left unlocked, no fingerprints may mean that he drove it there but may have been either pulled out from the car or he stepped out and something happened while he was out of the car. I keep going back to Nick probably having to meet someone there to sign off on something. What that is, I don't know.

Not sure how many people leave their cars unlocked these days. I'm guessing a dad with children would NOT.

ALL IMO! [/*]

Yes, n/t. I agree. I think Harlett could answer the question about where the car is now.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t
Nicholas, if you're out there, please call someone. Do it for your children. Please.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/345850/4_62_francisco_nicholas4.jpg

:rose: [/*]

Yes Nicholas, please let someone know you are okay if you are able. I know it would be hard to do after seeing how your name and reputation has been damaged by not only crime board posters, but also by your wife (soon to be ex). Just remember that your children love you unconditionally. Everyone runs into problems, especially young men who are overworked and stressed, working two jobs and taking care of the kids before going to work. This is nothing to be ashamed of. It just means you need some help and there are people willing to help you.

:rose:

[Postergeist]

Mornin' n/t and Rainy and inv!

It's beyond time for someone to call with info regarding Nick.

Please, if you are reading this and know what happened to Nick call the confidential hotline @


1-800-CRIME- TV (1-800-274-6388)



http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/brief.cfm?id=53372

:rose:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Has there been any progress on the billboards?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Postergeist
Mornin' n/t and Rainy and inv!

It's beyond time for someone to call with info regarding Nick.

Please, if you are reading this and know what happened to Nick call the confidential hotline @


1-800-CRIME- TV (1-800-274-6388)



http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/brief.cfm?id=53372

:rose: [/*]

Morning Postie - :seeya:

[Fallen Angel]

i'm still shocked CF's divorcing him.........I just don't understand why.:shrug:

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Danette44


You know this how?? You do it?? Why does it always have to come back to these kinky clubs when you start posting.......who cares.......if Nicholas was indeed in one of them places - than thank Christine for that - it's saying she wasn't woman enough for her man......:lol: :lol: [/*]

I didn't find that funny at all. Extremely ignorant thing to say and offensive IMO.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by Nellie


Yes, I had thought of the danger of chicken pox when pregnant.
She never mentioned any concern.
And no mention of a Dr. for her pregnancy.
Actually, it's odd to me that she's not been the typical pregnant woman who updates everyone about her appointments/progress.
Surprises me, I guess. She updates people about her new house...but not her baby. Strange to me..... [/*]

lol

When was the last time you were pregnant? Considering all she's dealing with right now -- and how maligned she is on these boards -- how can it possibly surprise anyone that she is not telling about her pregnancy?

We are all up in her private and personal life and you want to get into her uterus too? That baby is presently hers alone; let her have that child in peace. Whatever else is going on in this case, the life she's carrying inside her is innocence absolute.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by Danette44


GM Musterion

I understand where you are coming from and agree to some point, I think what bothers me is if LE says it's not illegal, nothing to do with his lifestyle, then why is there a need to throw out there to PROTECT the children? This man is not a monster - what could be so bad to go this far as in divorcing the Father of her children while he is still missing. And wouldn't this tell people she knows he's alive now? Anhway, have a great day I'm off to work.....:seeya: [/*]

If NF willingly walked and is living somewhere safely and willfully invisible to his wife and children (not to mention employer, etc.), he is unpredictable, unreliable, impractical, and a flake. And a flight risk. If he is everything everyone wanted to believe of him -- nice church-going family guy good worker etc. -- then his voluntary abandonment of his family life and job (and church) maybe makes him CRACKED. If he walked, either he is mental, or he's a jerk. In either case he's no longer a person with whom you'd entrust your children.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by K Anne


lol

When was the last time you were pregnant? Considering all she's dealing with right now -- and how maligned she is on these boards -- how can it possibly surprise anyone that she is not telling about her pregnancy?

We are all up in her private and personal life and you want to get into her uterus too? That baby is presently hers alone; let her have that child in peace. Whatever else is going on in this case, the life she's carrying inside her is innocence absolute. [/*]

Gosh, while so hostile? I just know pregnant women like to talk about their pregnancy. She can talk about the house....so I was surprised she wasn't talking about her pregnancy. JMO...you don't have to agree, but please try not to be so hostile.

[Nellie]

You know what guys. IF Nicholas just walked away from his family and left them all having to deal with this for his own selfish reasons.....then I agree, he's a jerk! I felt the same way about Beth Smith abandoning her children. I just don't want people to misunderstand and think I'd approve or defend him doing this.

But at this point we don't know that that is the case, so that's why it bothers me to see all of the speculation leading to Nicholas being a "bad guy". When the proof of him being a "bad guy" is shown (if there is any), then I'll jump on the "bad guy Nicholas bandwagon" with you. Until then, I want to err on the side of him being a victim....just in case he is, you know.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by Danette44


You know this how?? You do it?? Why does it always have to come back to these kinky clubs when you start posting.......who cares.......if Nicholas was indeed in one of them places - than thank Christine for that - it's saying she wasn't woman enough for her man......:lol: :lol: [/*]

Hi Danette,

There is a common misconception, IMO, that when someone strays that it might be partially the SO's fault. While we can be provoked by people and people might make our lives miserable, we are still accountable for our actions. No one makes anyone do something. Not really.

In the bible, in the commandments, God said 'thou shalt not commit adultery'. The crime was, at times, punishable by death. But, they never stoned the spouse of the adulterer, did they? Just the adulterer as far as I know.

No one makes you cheat on your spouse. JMO. And, I'm not saying that Nicholas did. I'm just giving an opinion on this post.

Musterion

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Nellie
You know what guys. IF Nicholas just walked away from his family and left them all having to deal with this for his own selfish reasons.....then I agree, he's a jerk! I felt the same way about Beth Smith abandoning her children. I just don't want people to misunderstand and think I'd approve or defend him doing this.

But at this point we don't know that that is the case, so that's why it bothers me to see all of the speculation leading to Nicholas being a "bad guy". When the proof of him being a "bad guy" is shown (if there is any), then I'll jump on the "bad guy Nicholas bandwagon" with you. Until then, I want to err on the side of him being a victim....just in case he is, you know. [/*]

I don't even think there is a "bad guy Nicholas bandwagon", at least I'm not on it. I'm just following the case, mostly lurking, wishing I could come up with some good ideas of what might of happened. In order to do that one has to be realistic about the situation. The fact that Nicholas had a secret life, or double life, that "took everything away from her and the children", even if it wasn't illegal, is a big one. Now I don't think Nicholas is a "bad guy" because of it, but because the insight comes from a trusted source of information, speculating what that may mean is helpful to gaining insights of what might possibility of happened to him.

In any event Christine and the children are victims both of his disappearance, and his secret life.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Nellie
You know what guys. IF Nicholas just walked away from his family and left them all having to deal with this for his own selfish reasons.....then I agree, he's a jerk! I felt the same way about Beth Smith abandoning her children. I just don't want people to misunderstand and think I'd approve or defend him doing this.

But at this point we don't know that that is the case, so that's why it bothers me to see all of the speculation leading to Nicholas being a "bad guy". When the proof of him being a "bad guy" is shown (if there is any), then I'll jump on the "bad guy Nicholas bandwagon" with you. Until then, I want to err on the side of him being a victim....just in case he is, you know. [/*]

I agree Nellie. IMO if anyone knew where NF was - that he was safe and alive and just living the life of no responsibility somewhere, then his pictures would not be on the missing registries. He is still a victim until LE says he is not.

[isitme]

Originally posted by K Anne


If NF willingly walked and is living somewhere safely and willfully invisible to his wife and children (not to mention employer, etc.), he is unpredictable, unreliable, impractical, and a flake. And a flight risk. If he is everything everyone wanted to believe of him -- nice church-going family guy good worker etc. -- then his voluntary abandonment of his family life and job (and church) maybe makes him CRACKED. If he walked, either he is mental, or he's a jerk. In either case he's no longer a person with whom you'd entrust your children. [/*]

Perhaps all of what you said would be true IF HE WILLINGLY WALKED AWAY. However there are far too many unanswered questions in this to ASSUME that that is what happened. So why the jump for CF to "protect" their children from him (if that is her reason for getting the divorce) at this time???

He is still their father. There are very few reasons to keep children from contact with either parent and we don't know if any of those reasons are part of his life. If CF believes that he is a murderer, a heavy drug user, or child molester then there might be some serious concern for the childrens safety if he comes back and wants his visitation rights. As for this theory that because he willingly left he can't be trusted with them, I don't agree that that is an absolute. It would first have to be established WHY he left - if he did in fact willingly leave.

[need2no]

Originally posted by K Anne


lol

1) When was the last time you were pregnant? Considering all she's dealing with right now -- and how maligned she is on these boards -- how can it possibly surprise anyone that she is not telling about her pregnancy?

We are all up in her private and personal life and you want to get into her uterus too? That baby is presently hers alone; let her have that child in peace. Whatever else is going on in this case, the life she's carrying inside her is innocence absolute. [/*]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by K Anne

2) If NF willingly walked and is living somewhere safely and willfully invisible to his wife and children (not to mention employer, etc.), he is unpredictable, unreliable, impractical, and a flake. And a flight risk. If he is everything everyone wanted to believe of him -- nice church-going family guy good worker etc. -- then his voluntary abandonment of his family life and job (and church) maybe makes him CRACKED. If he walked, either he is mental, or he's a jerk. In either case he's no longer a person with whom you'd entrust your children.

*****************************************

1) It seems to me Christine herself opened the door and invited 'all of us' into her private and personal life. Without her blogs, media interviews, family photos all over the internet, MySpace, and now her scripture providing us with the private and sometimes odd info to discuss there wouldn't be much to say, and little reason to have negative feelings toward her. I too find it odd that she has hardly mentioned her unborn baby...babies usually provide comfort and strength to face the world in times of stress and turmoil. They are precious gifts from God and most every mother regardless of the situation feels compelled to talk about their pregnancy/baby. With frequent doctor visits, a growing belly, shopping for maternity clothes, preparation for the new arrival and anticipation by an older sibling it's hard NOT to talk about a baby. Meanwhile she has shared many other things that could have and should have been left unsaid, and failed to mention the one thing which could help people connect with her and soften their hearts. In the beginning she had no way of knowing what her words could bring..well she knows now but keeps on tossing it out there for the world, so I have to conclude she enjoys the attention...good or bad.

2) This is all hypothetical...we only have ONE side of this story. The "secret life" could have been NF doing something 'shady' but NOT illegal to bring much needed income into the household and was ashamed to admit it...but I doubt CF would mention this part if that is the case. And if this was the case it doesn't excuse him but it certainly changes the lowlife image that is being created of him in his absence, IMO. I would have to know the entire story before I could decide if NF is worthy of being involved in his children's life in the future....and of course this would be up to the courts...not you, me, or Christine.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


I don't even think there is a "bad guy Nicholas bandwagon", at least I'm not on it. I'm just following the case, mostly lurking, wishing I could come up with some good ideas of what might of happened. In order to do that one has to be realistic about the situation. The fact that Nicholas had a secret life, or double life, that "took everything away from her and the children", even if it wasn't illegal, is a big one. Now I don't think Nicholas is a "bad guy" because of it, but because the insight comes from a trusted source of information, speculating what that may mean is helpful to gaining insights of what might possibility of happened to him.

In any event Christine and the children are victims both of his disappearance, and his secret life. [/*]

See, even saying that Christine and the children are victims of his secret life has an underlying negative tone about the secret. It portrays the secret as something "bad" that it would make them a victim of it. Some secrets don't have victims....plain and simple. Not knowing yet what this secret is, why do some jump to it being something really bad to make them a victim.

And as far as being victims of his dissappearance....what about Nicholas? Is he a victim of his dissappearance if it was foul play? Or is just Christine and the children victims of his dissappearance?
To only look at them as victims leads to the thinking that Nicholas did this on purpose. Maybe he did....maybe he didn't. That remains to be proven and until then, he is a victim of dissappearing. Christine is a victim of losing his paycheck, imo. I won't say she's a victim of his secret life yet because I don't have any idea what his secret life is. If I knew and it was something I'd kick him to the curb for.....then maybe I'll have more sympathy for her.

At this point we have to think of Nicholas as a victim until proven otherwise.

[isitme]

quote:
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Originally posted by Danette44


You know this how?? You do it?? Why does it always have to come back to these kinky clubs when you start posting.......who cares.......if Nicholas was indeed in one of them places - than thank Christine for that - it's saying she wasn't woman enough for her man...... [/*]
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While I am not fan of CF this statement is, IMO, just wrong on so many levels.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


I don't even think there is a "bad guy Nicholas bandwagon", at least I'm not on it. I'm just following the case, mostly lurking, wishing I could come up with some good ideas of what might of happened. In order to do that one has to be realistic about the situation. The fact that Nicholas had a secret life, or double life, that "took everything away from her and the children", even if it wasn't illegal, is a big one. Now I don't think Nicholas is a "bad guy" because of it, but because the insight comes from a trusted source of information, speculating what that may mean is helpful to gaining insights of what might possibility of happened to him.

In any event Christine and the children are victims both of his disappearance, and his secret life. [/*]

Oh, I've seen that bandwagon fly by here every day.....several times a day.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Nellie


See, even saying that Christine and the children are victims of his secret life has an underlying negative tone about the secret. It portrays the secret as something "bad" that it would make them a victim of it. Some secrets don't have victims....plain and simple. Not knowing yet what this secret is, why do some jump to it being something really bad to make them a victim.

And as far as being victims of his dissappearance....what about Nicholas? Is he a victim of his dissappearance if it was foul play? Or is just Christine and the children victims of his dissappearance?
To only look at them as victims leads to the thinking that Nicholas did this on purpose. Maybe he did....maybe he didn't. That remains to be proven and until then, he is a victim of dissappearing. Christine is a victim of losing his paycheck, imo. I won't say she's a victim of his secret life yet because I don't have any idea what his secret life is. If I knew and it was something I'd kick him to the curb for.....then maybe I'll have more sympathy for her.

At this point we have to think of Nicholas as a victim until proven otherwise. [/*]

I think the word "victim" has been overused. IF NF walked out, then yes it is not a good situation for CF, but there are hundreds of women who have been abandoned, and some far worse off than CF. I think the word victim applies to the missing - the one who has met with possible foul play. This is JMO.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I think the word "victim" has been overused. IF NF walked out, then yes it is not a good situation for CF, but there are hundreds of women who have been abandoned, and some far worse off than CF. I think the word victim applies to the missing - the one who has met with possible foul play. This is JMO. [/*]

It's certainly an unusual Missing Person case, isn't it Rainy?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Nellie


It's certainly an unusual Missing Person case, isn't it Rainy? [/*]

It sure is - I was just reading some articles on the Nicholas Garza case and wow what a difference in the family support - the family looking for him, calling in professional help, etc. One of the articles which I started to copy here, then was afraid people would scream OT said that even though LE didn't feel Garza was in a certain area, they were going to go ahead and have the search team look "there".

So for Seattle LE to say they have no indication NF is not somewhere specific, therefore would not be entitled to a search is remiss IMO.

Just one example of how family members have rallied around their missing family member (as far as trying to search for them) as opposed to this case.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Nellie


See, even saying that Christine and the children are victims of his secret life has an underlying negative tone about the secret. It portrays the secret as something "bad" that it would make them a victim of it. Some secrets don't have victims....plain and simple. Not knowing yet what this secret is, why do some jump to it being something really bad to make them a victim.

And as far as being victims of his dissappearance....what about Nicholas? Is he a victim of his dissappearance if it was foul play? Or is just Christine and the children victims of his dissappearance?
To only look at them as victims leads to the thinking that Nicholas did this on purpose. Maybe he did....maybe he didn't. That remains to be proven and until then, he is a victim of dissappearing. Christine is a victim of losing his paycheck, imo. I won't say she's a victim of his secret life yet because I don't have any idea what his secret life is. If I knew and it was something I'd kick him to the curb for.....then maybe I'll have more sympathy for her.

At this point we have to think of Nicholas as a victim until proven otherwise. [/*]


Christine lost more than his paycheck, she lost her husband of 7 years, her graphics art partner, her hopes and dreams, the father of her children, she lost her house, her whole life, and I do believe she lost the trust she had in him.

It's odd that you will not accept what Harletohara said about Nicholas's secret life harming his children and Christine. It shows bias, and when you have bias you can't correctly interpret and analyze things. You have to be clear headed to get anywhere, and fair in your analysis.

Also, why do you ask in your post, "what about Nicholas?" Certainly the people on this board care about Nicholas, and I myself have never bashed him, and there has been much speculation, by many people on this list about such things as his being gay, etc. Even when he was first missing, if I remember correctly, there were some of the Christine bashers who even speculated on the paternity of his children.

Saying anything good about Christine is saying something bad about Nicholas??? Why does it have to be so.

Look at the facts. You say there is an "underlying negative tone about the secret", well yes there is.

I really don't want to argue. Peace and Blessings to you. :) This is all IMO, JMO of course

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I think the word "victim" has been overused. IF NF walked out, then yes it is not a good situation for CF, but there are hundreds of women who have been abandoned, and some far worse off than CF. I think the word victim applies to the missing - the one who has met with possible foul play. This is JMO. [/*]


Certainly the word "victim", applies to many people in many different situations. If Nicholas met with foul play Christine and the children would be secondary victims of the crime. Not sure if that is the correct terminology, but I think you can understand what I mean.

It isn't about Nicholas as a victim, and Christine and the children are not. Come on.

[Miss Behavin]

Does anyone know if Nicholas has any relatives in the Phillipines?

Sorry if this has been discussed previously; I don't remember.

TIA

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by zenharmony19



Christine lost more than his paycheck, she lost her husband of 7 years, her graphics art partner, her hopes and dreams, the father of her children, she lost her house, her whole life, and I do believe she lost the trust she had in him.

It's odd that you will not accept what Harletohara said about Nicholas's secret life harming his children and Christine. It shows bias, and when you have bias you can't correctly interpret and analyze things. You have to be clear headed to get anywhere, and fair in your analysis.

Also, why do you ask in your post, "what about Nicholas?" Certainly the people on this board care about Nicholas, and I myself have never bashed him, and there has been much speculation, by many people on this list about such things as his being gay, etc. Even when he was first missing, if I remember correctly, there were some of the Christine bashers who even speculated on the paternity of his children.

Saying anything good about Christine is saying something bad about Nicholas??? Why does it have to be so.

Look at the facts. You say there is an "underlying negative tone about the secret", well yes there is.

I really don't want to argue. Peace and Blessings to you. :) This is all IMO, JMO of course [/*]

Beautifully said zenharmony! I agree completely.

I think many people have lost their objectivity when it comes to this case.. understandable since the people involved invoke such strong feelings one way or the other from people. I Just dont think it is doing anyone any good to ignore what doesn't fit into a certain scenerio.

Nicholas was keeping a secret from his wife.. that has been confirmed by LE. We do not know what it is. We do know that Harlett's take on the secret is that it is has destroyed Christine. It doesn't take a detective to say if Christine has been destroyed by the secret. I think her actions from the time she found out til now.. shows that she was not prepared for what was found.

We are all speculating about it being about him having an affair with a woman or maybe another man. That would certainly hurt her to find out something like that. Might even facilitate her doing the things that she is doing. That doesn't necessarily mean that is what it is.

The secret life could be something that he was talking to others about that he never told his family because he was embarrassed or ashamed. A secret like that could devastate CF but not the same way that an affair would.

It could be that he had a gambling problem or a drug abuse problem. Both of those could devastate her to find out that he did this without ever telling her.

The fact that he had another paypal account may have NOTHING to do with the other secret that he was keeping. It could have just been a way for him to keep some money of his own. That could be something that she would feel very betrayed over.

Or all of this could have NOTHING whatsoever to do with his disappearance and her initial gut reaction to his not returning home that night was right and he was harmed because of nothing that he did.

We really don't know. But.. need to be open to every possibility.

[Miss Behavin]

Somebody may have posted about this weeks ago, but in light of everything we do know NOW - I think it's interesting.

From West Seattle Blog in February right after Nicholas went missing.

http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5841


about #12 down is a response from Christine on February 20th in which she states:

if you aren’t willing to help find my husband then please stay out of it. I don’t need to hear your ridiculous thoughts. My husband wouldn’t leave me or his children. He wouldn’t lead a double life, he’s too busy for that anyway. He loves us all with all of his heart. He is excited about his new baby and didn’t feel overwhelmed in the sense you are describing. How dare you be so cruel to us during this time.

This must have been before she found out cuz she sure seems adamant.

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by Nellie


Oh, I've seen that bandwagon fly by here every day.....several times a day.

LOL, yeah Nellie, I have to say I've seen it several times as early as when posters commented on pics being taken down and no photo on the site for MP in Washington.

In fact, on many of the daily threads I've seen posts where there is no mention of hoping for Nick's safe return or keeping the contact # out there and so forth.

And I've also seen harlett's and grande's names being mentioned a few times so I did a search.

While realizing that some posts do get deleted

Grande's activity here happened basically 2 weeks after Nick went missing

6 posts of grande’s on the Nick case on 2/28 and 2/30

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/search.php?action=showresults&searchid=1990240&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending

Four of the posts were about Viliamu Fale him, one about a dead woman found in the vicinity of where Nick’s car was found, and one was about taking a look at a support site for Nick.

Going back to the first page of Harlett's participation on the forum from 2/27 to 3/3

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/search.php?action=showresults&searchid=1990232&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending&pagenumber=8

at least on the first page of posts there is info pertaining to V. Fale as well but none that I saw with the tip line, mention of volunteers needed with fliers, etc. about Nick.

It was starling that first brought this case to the boards on Feb. 18th

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=324735

Granted, some information has come out since then, but none still that points to anything other than what was said in the beginning, that he appeared to be a great coworker, dad, husband and decent guy.


:rose: Hope for Nicholas

Anyone with information please contact -

King County Sheriff’s Office tip line: 206-296-3311

or call confidentially at America's Most Wanted -

1-800-CRIME- TV (1-800-274-6388)

For all the posters in the SeaTac area that recently joined this forum, print up one flier of Nick's Missing Poster and tape it inside to your car windows, so that when you are driving around and are parked others can see it and be your own mobile billboard for Nick.

imo

[Danette44]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I didn't find that funny at all. Extremely ignorant thing to say and offensive IMO. [/*]

Excuse me ignorant - I think not, but you have your opinion as I have mine - I don't see why everyone can accuse Nicholas of everything but I say his wife could be the cause of his stray is ignorant, that hardy har was actually for SD benifit since she likes to always come back to those sex clubs. Also it's ok for his wifes actions and her comments about her husband.......but anyone that trys to make alittle joke about Christine, is ignorant and offensive - I find alot worst on here being offensive......JMOO

[Danette44]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi Danette,

There is a common misconception, IMO, that when someone strays that it might be partially the SO's fault. While we can be provoked by people and people might make our lives miserable, we are still accountable for our actions. No one makes anyone do something. Not really.

In the bible, in the commandments, God said 'thou shalt not commit adultery'. The crime was, at times, punishable by death. But, they never stoned the spouse of the adulterer, did they? Just the adulterer as far as I know.

No one makes you cheat on your spouse. JMO. And, I'm not saying that Nicholas did. I'm just giving an opinion on this post.

Musterion [/*]

Hi Musterion - first let me say I really thought I erased that hardy har on there......second is men stray, alot of times it's because of the home life - something is missing, or yes it could of been just for their pleasure, but the way these boards are going and people not knowing the secret it's getting out of hand with all the talk about sex clubs, other women, and soforth.......perhaps I need to walk away from this case, it's sad we have a Missin Person, that can't speak up for hisself. I will agree with Nellie also, if he indeed just walked and left them to fend for themselfs then he would be the low of the lowest of husbands. Sorry if I offended anyone with that post......moo

[decor]

didn't I read somewhere before CF moved that one of the reasons Christine had to move was because there might be some danger?

what if this secret life put his family in jeopardy? wouldn't this be a good enough to distance themselves from him? IMO this could be a big reason for divorce and some of the other things that people have found to be strange.

at this point I just hope that some answers surface so CF and her family can move forward. even though a person says they are going to go forward, when something like this is hanging over their heads it must be terribly hard to do.
I think all of them are victims and I think they all lost in a big way :(

[desmom]

Originally posted by decor
didn't I read somewhere before CF moved that one of the reasons Christine had to move was because there might be some danger?

what if this secret life put his family in jeopardy? wouldn't this be a good enough to distance themselves from him? IMO this could be a big reason for divorce and some of the other things that people have found to be strange.

at this point I just hope that some answers surface so CF and her family can move forward. even though a person says they are going to go forward, when something like this is hanging over their heads it must be terribly hard to do.
I think all of them are victims and I think they all lost in a big way :( [/*]

If my family was in any type of jeopardy/danger, I would not post on the internet I had found a new house or announce when we were moving.

jmo

[Musterion]

Originally posted by Danette44


Hi Musterion - first let me say I really thought I erased that hardy har on there......second is men stray, alot of times it's because of the home life - something is missing, or yes it could of been just for their pleasure, but the way these boards are going and people not knowing the secret it's getting out of hand with all the talk about sex clubs, other women, and soforth.......perhaps I need to walk away from this case, it's sad we have a Missin Person, that can't speak up for hisself. I will agree with Nellie also, if he indeed just walked and left them to fend for themselfs then he would be the low of the lowest of husbands. Sorry if I offended anyone with that post......moo [/*]

Hi Danette,

Thank you for being humble! We all say things we wish we hadn't or are taken in a way we didn't mean.

I hope we will all know, very soon, what has happened to Nicholas.

You care, Danette, and that shows a good heart.

Hugs,
Musterion

[need2no]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin
Somebody may have posted about this weeks ago, but in light of everything we do know NOW - I think it's interesting.

From West Seattle Blog in February right after Nicholas went missing.

http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5841


about #12 down is a response from Christine on February 20th in which she states:



This must have been before she found out cuz she sure seems adamant. [/*]

I must admit I do find it interesting and somewhat coincidental that CF used the term 'double life' in response to the poster who had obviously annoyed her with his/her post...and she said this just a week after NF vanished.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
and, continued to ask for help in locating him. Yes; they did list him as missing in the Phillipines; and I sent his info to every paper there that would take it.
Early on; his photo was up on an online Filipino website. [/*]

I do believe I saw that earlier, CT, when I was browsing online just to see if anything new had surfaced. Does he have family there? Do you know?

[Nellie]

Originally posted by zenharmony19



Christine lost more than his paycheck, she lost her husband of 7 years, her graphics art partner, her hopes and dreams, the father of her children, she lost her house, her whole life, and I do believe she lost the trust she had in him.

It's odd that you will not accept what Harletohara said about Nicholas's secret life harming his children and Christine. It shows bias, and when you have bias you can't correctly interpret and analyze things. You have to be clear headed to get anywhere, and fair in your analysis.

Also, why do you ask in your post, "what about Nicholas?" Certainly the people on this board care about Nicholas, and I myself have never bashed him, and there has been much speculation, by many people on this list about such things as his being gay, etc. Even when he was first missing, if I remember correctly, there were some of the Christine bashers who even speculated on the paternity of his children.

Saying anything good about Christine is saying something bad about Nicholas??? Why does it have to be so.

Look at the facts. You say there is an "underlying negative tone about the secret", well yes there is.

I really don't want to argue. Peace and Blessings to you. :) This is all IMO, JMO of course [/*]

I'll wait to see what the secret is first.
I have lots of secrets.
I withdrew $300 from my Pay Pal account today....my husband hasn't a clue. Would that be a secret just because he doesn't know? Maybe it would devestate him because he'd think I was hiding money from him????

I'm sorry, but it wasn't me that treated Nicholas like a "paycheck".
IMO, it was Christine who acted more worried about money than Nicholas. Not me. I heard more about the need for money from her than efforts to find Nicholas. Personally, I think she already knew from the get-go what was going on. From Day One she never seemed to be grieving. Does a grieving wife go on tv and then point out to her friends that they got to see her in make-up?
What if a man acted this way? It has been her own actions that made me feel the way I do about her.

I don't want to argue either. Please and Blessings to you too.
We'll just see how this pans out.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
yes i thought it was reported that he had extended family there, a large family? [/*]

That's interesting. I didn't know that. I guess it wouldn't be too difficult to hide out in a different country if a person wanted to. I'm not saying he is ... or would even go there... but just if someone wanted to I suppose they could get by okay - look at Cesar Laurean - he slept in a shack for 3 months on cardboard and ate avocados :shrug:

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Danette44


Excuse me ignorant - I think not, but you have your opinion as I have mine - I don't see why everyone can accuse Nicholas of everything but I say his wife could be the cause of his stray is ignorant, that hardy har was actually for SD benifit since she likes to always come back to those sex clubs. Also it's ok for his wifes actions and her comments about her husband.......but anyone that trys to make alittle joke about Christine, is ignorant and offensive - I find alot worst on here being offensive......JMOO [/*]

The ignorant statement had nothing to do with Christine at all. It had to do with the fact that you actually stated the if he is gay that it is something that she did to him. That is an ignorant and offensive statement to make. If he is gay.. then I am sure that is something that he has struggled with for a long time and has nothing to do with who he married or chose to spend time with but more of an internal conflict because of his personal beliefs.

For the record.. I have said nothing about any sex clubs. I just don't believe that gay is something that you catch like a disease. Whether he is gay or not.. people shouldn't think differently of him.. nor of Christine for that matter. As a pastors daughter.. I have seen a couple things like this happen with a person who is struggling with what they are feeling and have seen "christians" turn their back on that person and make jokes about.. and am always disgusted by that mind set.

IMO

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Nellie


I'll wait to see what the secret is first.
I have lots of secrets.
I withdrew $300 from my Pay Pal account today....my husband hasn't a clue. Would that be a secret just because he doesn't know? Maybe it would devestate him because he'd think I was hiding money from him????

I'm sorry, but it wasn't me that treated Nicholas like a "paycheck".
IMO, it was Christine who acted more worried about money than Nicholas. Not me. I heard more about the need for money from her than efforts to find Nicholas. Personally, I think she already knew from the get-go what was going on. From Day One she never seemed to be grieving. Does a grieving wife go on tv and then point out to her friends that they got to see her in make-up?
What if a man acted this way? It has been her own actions that made me feel the way I do about her.

I don't want to argue either. Please and Blessings to you too.
We'll just see how this pans out. [/*]

ITA with your first paragraph. That is SOOO true. I talk to people online that my bf knows nothing about. He knows that I chat but has no idea who with or what I talk to them about. He doesn't understand my whole "true crime" obsession or my passion for missing people so it isn't something that we talk about. I have been known to tell internet friends things that I couldn't talk to those closest to me about because of the way they would feel about it. If I came up missing and people started going through my posts on message boards and myspace they may find out that they don't know everything about them but not because I am keeping anything from them per se.

It really could be as innocent as him chatting with people.. maybe flirting a bit with someone or someones. Things that Christine didn't know about and things that she may take to mean something that they aren't. Things that she can't get his perspective or explanation for.. could be blown out of proportion. We are all human after all. Not that it is right but in this day an age.. it is happening alot and may never lead to anything else. We do know that whatever it is.. it does not lead police to believe THAT is why he left.

[Miss Behavin]

That cell phone call bothers me. I wonder about that a lot. I'm sure LE checked it out... who called who and what not. But in my mind, telling co-workers and the wife that the battery was dead all day and then receiving or making a phone call 1 hour and 15 minutes before the end of the work day is puzzling.

Could be nothing...but then again, it could be something .
In my mind I keep wondering if maybe someone wasn't making contact to confirm plans/appointment :shrug:

[desmom]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


The ignorant statement had nothing to do with Christine at all. It had to do with the fact that you actually stated the if he is gay that it is something that she did to him.

--snipped---


IMO [/*]

I have not seen any post by Danette44 stating NF is gay. jmo

[n/t]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


ITA with your first paragraph. That is SOOO true. I talk to people online that my bf knows nothing about. He knows that I chat but has no idea who with or what I talk to them about. He doesn't understand my whole "true crime" obsession or my passion for missing people so it isn't something that we talk about. I have been known to tell internet friends things that I couldn't talk to those closest to me about because of the way they would feel about it. If I came up missing and people started going through my posts on message boards and myspace they may find out that they don't know everything about them but not because I am keeping anything from them per se.

It really could be as innocent as him chatting with people.. maybe flirting a bit with someone or someones. Things that Christine didn't know about and things that she may take to mean something that they aren't. Things that she can't get his perspective or explanation for.. could be blown out of proportion. We are all human after all. Not that it is right but in this day an age.. it is happening alot and may never lead to anything else. We do know that whatever it is.. it does not lead police to believe THAT is why he left. [/*]

Exactly.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by desmom


I have not seen any post by Danette44 stating NF is gay. jmo [/*]

Neither have I and I never said they did.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin
That cell phone call bothers me. I wonder about that a lot. I'm sure LE checked it out... who called who and what not. But in my mind, telling co-workers and the wife that the battery was dead all day and then receiving or making a phone call 1 hour and 15 minutes before the end of the work day is puzzling.

Could be nothing...but then again, it could be something .
In my mind I keep wondering if maybe someone wasn't making contact to confirm plans/appointment :shrug: [/*]

My cell phone was dead the other day and turned off (no charger at work), then when I turned it on I had enough power to make a couple of calls. Could be something as innocent as that.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by desmom


I have not seen any post by Danette44 stating NF is gay. jmo [/*]

No, because she didn't.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Nellie


I'll wait to see what the secret is first.
I have lots of secrets.
I withdrew $300 from my Pay Pal account today....my husband hasn't a clue. Would that be a secret just because he doesn't know? Maybe it would devestate him because he'd think I was hiding money from him????

I'm sorry, but it wasn't me that treated Nicholas like a "paycheck".
IMO, it was Christine who acted more worried about money than Nicholas. Not me. I heard more about the need for money from her than efforts to find Nicholas. Personally, I think she already knew from the get-go what was going on. From Day One she never seemed to be grieving. Does a grieving wife go on tv and then point out to her friends that they got to see her in make-up?
What if a man acted this way? It has been her own actions that made me feel the way I do about her.

I don't want to argue either. Please and Blessings to you too.
We'll just see how this pans out. [/*]

A friend of mine got a raise and her husband doesn't know it. She is putting that money into a Christmas fund. I guess if she went missing, she would have a secret life also.

[desmom]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Neither have I and I never said they did. [/*]

Ooops. My bad. I went back and re-read your post. I apologize.:o

[Nellie]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


ITA with your first paragraph. That is SOOO true. I talk to people online that my bf knows nothing about. He knows that I chat but has no idea who with or what I talk to them about. He doesn't understand my whole "true crime" obsession or my passion for missing people so it isn't something that we talk about. I have been known to tell internet friends things that I couldn't talk to those closest to me about because of the way they would feel about it. If I came up missing and people started going through my posts on message boards and myspace they may find out that they don't know everything about them but not because I am keeping anything from them per se.

It really could be as innocent as him chatting with people.. maybe flirting a bit with someone or someones. Things that Christine didn't know about and things that she may take to mean something that they aren't. Things that she can't get his perspective or explanation for.. could be blown out of proportion. We are all human after all. Not that it is right but in this day an age.. it is happening alot and may never lead to anything else. We do know that whatever it is.. it does not lead police to believe THAT is why he left. [/*]

Mystry, you have a friend who is friends with Nicholas...or worked with him, right? How does your friend feel about the "secret life" thing and the "divorce"? IIRC, he/she said Nicholas was not the type to take off, right? What do they think now? Just curious if their thinking has changed with this new info and how they feel about her filing for divorce.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by need2no


I must admit I do find it interesting and somewhat coincidental that CF used the term 'double life' in response to the poster who had obviously annoyed her with his/her post...and she said this just a week after NF vanished. [/*]

Hi need2no,

I might find it interesting if she had said secret life. But, she didn't.

Christine's post is post 12. Responding to these:

Post 4 says "did he lead two lives."

Post 5 says "I’m sure your speculation that he ran off to his secret life is like a knife in the back of the scores of loved ones who know him and know better."

Post 10 says "I thought the same thing…a possibility of something akin to a second life or owing someone a large amt of $."

http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5841

Two lives. Secret life. Second life.

I find it logical she would use the term she did. JMO.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


A friend of mine got a raise and her husband doesn't know it. She is putting that money into a Christmas fund. I guess if she went missing, she would have a secret life also. [/*]

Hi Rainy!

I think the difference, that I can see anyway, is that the paypal account that was unknown to Christine was not the only evidence uncovered by LE.

Sgt. Urquhart said " I have said there is evidence of certain activities (not illegal) that Nicholas was involved in and Christine was not aware of those."

He used the plural. Activities.

To me, JMO, activities is something you do. More than one thing. Not something you have. You have an account. You do an activity.

IMO.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Nellie


Mystry, you have a friend who is friends with Nicholas...or worked with him, right? How does your friend feel about the "secret life" thing and the "divorce"? IIRC, he/she said Nicholas was not the type to take off, right? What do they think now? Just curious if their thinking has changed with this new info and how they feel about her filing for divorce. [/*]

Yes, I do. I haven't spoken to him in a week or so.. so, I have no idea what he thinks about the divorce or whether he would even know that is happening. Possibly.

But.. there was a post the other day that stated that co workers of Nicholas saw him as one of the most honest people they knew.. that sounds just like what my friend would say. By all outward accounts.. he was just like that and is exactly why they all believed that something had happened to him. Of course since there has been talk of this "secret life" that has come out.. he has had to consider that he might not have known him as well as he thought he did. I think at this point.. he would just like to know what happened to him good or bad and wonders if he could have done something.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


The ignorant statement had nothing to do with Christine at all. It had to do with the fact that you actually stated the if he is gay that it is something that she did to him. That is an ignorant and offensive statement to make. If he is gay.. then I am sure that is something that he has struggled with for a long time and has nothing to do with who he married or chose to spend time with but more of an internal conflict because of his personal beliefs.

For the record.. I have said nothing about any sex clubs. I just don't believe that gay is something that you catch like a disease. Whether he is gay or not.. people shouldn't think differently of him.. nor of Christine for that matter. As a pastors daughter.. I have seen a couple things like this happen with a person who is struggling with what they are feeling and have seen "christians" turn their back on that person and make jokes about.. and am always disgusted by that mind set.

IMO [/*]

Mystry - I was born and raised in San Fran Ca. I have alot of gay friends and lost alot due to aids - I'm sorry for that post it was really meant for SD and all her assumtions that Nicholas was hanging out in those type of clubs, I didn't word it correctly, I was actually being a smarta** to her. Like i said earlier I thought I had erased some of that statement - guess I need to proof read better......

[decor]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Yes, I do. I haven't spoken to him in a week or so.. so, I have no idea what he thinks about the divorce or whether he would even know that is happening. Possibly.

But.. there was a post the other day that stated that co workers of Nicholas saw him as one of the most honest people they knew.. that sounds just like what my friend would say. By all outward accounts.. he was just like that and is exactly why they all believed that something had happened to him. Of course since there has been talk of this "secret life" that has come out.. he has had to consider that he might not have known him as well as he thought he did. I think at this point.. he would just like to know what happened to him good or bad and wonders if he could have done something. [/*]


and isn't it somewhat frightening how we think we may know someone when we really don't know them at all?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Yes, I do. I haven't spoken to him in a week or so.. so, I have no idea what he thinks about the divorce or whether he would even know that is happening. Possibly.

But.. there was a post the other day that stated that co workers of Nicholas saw him as one of the most honest people they knew.. that sounds just like what my friend would say. By all outward accounts.. he was just like that and is exactly why they all believed that something had happened to him. Of course since there has been talk of this "secret life" that has come out.. he has had to consider that he might not have known him as well as he thought he did. I think at this point.. he would just like to know what happened to him good or bad and wonders if he could have done something. [/*]

I think at this point..he would just like to know what happened to him good or bad and wonders if he could have done something.

Now THAT is a true friend - someone who will stand behind you good or bad or indifferent. Someone who will take into consideration the person they knew as well as the person they might not have known. I can live with that type of sentiment and consider myself that type of friend. The laughing and snickering and perverted scenarios being put forth on here I find disrespectful to someone who may be in pain, if not physically, then emotionally.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi Rainy!

I think the difference, that I can see anyway, is that the paypal account that was unknown to Christine was not the only evidence uncovered by LE.

Sgt. Urquhart said " I have said there is evidence of certain activities (not illegal) that Nicholas was involved in and Christine was not aware of those."

He used the plural. Activities.

To me, JMO, activities is something you do. More than one thing. Not something you have. You have an account. You do an activity.

IMO. [/*]

Hi Musterion! I still feel it is going to boil down to money. Now whatever else might go along with that I haven't a clue.

[Shelby1]

Good morning everyone. Every morning I switch on my computer hoping for good news about Nicholas. Praying that he is safe somewhere.

I ran across this blog yesterday. The writer works with Nicholas. Her words really spoke to me and re-confirmed my thoughts on what a nice person Nicholas is.

---------------------------------

I haven't posted this on my blog yet because I know that most of you who read this aren't in a position to help, but I post it now because it is becoming so much of my life.

You may have seen on the news reports of a missing Sea-Tac man, Nicholas Francisco. I have worked with Nicholas for 2.5 years. He was last seen leaving our office last Wednesday the 13th and had planned a stop at Costco, and never made it home. He has two adorable children and a wife that he always talks about with admiration. He often leaves work within moments of finishing a project so he can hurry home to his family. Around the office everyone likes Nicholas and we often would beg to have him working on our projects because of his amazing attention to detail and commitment to high quality.

His friends and family were surprised to learn when he went missing that the police department does not have the ability (due to staffing) to commit resources to missing adults. The common theory is that all missing adults have left of their own accord. For those of us who know Nicholas well, we knew this was not the case. We knew something bad had happened to our friend.

So for the first 4.5 days that he was missing, it was simply up to us, those who know him and know his disappearance was NOT of his doing to try to find him. Our office designed and printed posters and immediately started canvassing our neighborhood. On Saturday, a massive search party gathered at our office and EVERY single road, street, and alley between here and south Burien was checked off by a team member. Those who had parks searched every trail, those who had parking lots checked off every car. Posters were put up in every store, bus stop, and public building.

Sunday was another day of canvassing in our Queen Anne neighborhood, where friends and family put up posters and asked anyone if they had seen him or his car on Wednesday.

Monday we woke up expecting to meet for a North end search party when the news broke around 11am that his car had been found in Federal Way. The car was not damaged and had been parked at an apartment complex since Friday - possibly Thursday. Our search effort turned to the south end as the Sheriff Jon Holland got involved and met us at a Park & Ride near where his car was found to give us further instruction. Our goal was simple, knock on every door near where his car was found, ask if anyone had seen anything or anyone driving or near the car. 65 volunteers showed up at 6:30pm on a dark holiday evening to help with this task, the Sheriff said he'd never seen such a turn out for something like this before. We were all thankful to see all of the local media channels on location, including Mimi Jung of King 5 who followed my party around the complex as we knocking on doors.

It's hard for me to describe the exhaustion I feel, not as much physical, but mental. Until you are in this situation, you just don't realize that YOU are the hope your friend has of being found. There is no "them" looking for him, there is no process or outside help. Until the car was found, the police were minimally involved, and we are thankful that a clue has surfaced and that they say now they will launch a full investigation.

But deep down, I know that it will still be us, his friends and family, that ultimately will bring Nicholas home. It will be up to us in the coming days to keep hope alive and to keep the story alive.

I simply ask for your prayers and thoughts for our friend Nicholas.

Other blogs that have updated information about the search for Nicholas:

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/

http://thedonovanfamily.blogspot.com/

Me on the news:

King 5 TV
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[RainyNiteNTx]

Oh Shelby - how sad. If the coworker had only known that eventually there would be no one looking for Nicholas, not even his close friends or family and that it would just be web sleuthers.

For Nicholas - wherever you are :rose:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by saydeezmom
Does anyone remember if the organic sugar he was supposed to get was for the cookies? Or was it for some beauty products she was selling from her shop? IF it was for cookies...I can see the urgency for him to stop. IF it was for the other...I don't. Does anyone think that it could have been an errand to get him to a certain location? Just a thought [/*]

The organic sugar was for more than just baking cookies. She stated this on one of her blogs. It was to be used for more than the cookies.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Danette44


Mystry - I was born and raised in San Fran Ca. I have alot of gay friends and lost alot due to aids - I'm sorry for that post it was really meant for SD and all her assumtions that Nicholas was hanging out in those type of clubs, I didn't word it correctly, I was actually being a smarta** to her. Like i said earlier I thought I had erased some of that statement - guess I need to proof read better...... [/*]

I understood that better after reading your reply to Musterion. I needed to put it more in context. It was just a gut reaction on my part. Thanks for explaining your views and sorry for what I said.

[need2no]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


The organic sugar was for more than just baking cookies. She stated this on one of her blogs. It was to be used for more than the cookies. [/*]


IIRC initially CF just said the o. sugar was for baking V. day cookies...sometime later she added it was also for other things...I always wondered why she didn't just say NF was going to purchase organic sugar so they could bake cookies and for her business needs, from the beginning. The "for other things" just sounded like an afterthought to me. :shrug:

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by need2no



IIRC initially CF just said the o. sugar was for baking V. day cookies...sometime later she added it was also for other things...I always wondered why she didn't just say NF was going to purchase organic sugar so they could bake cookies and for her business needs, from the beginning. The "for other things" just sounded like an afterthought to me. :shrug: [/*]

There is proof that she was using organic sugar for her business needs as well as any cookies that may have being made. All you have to do is check out her online stores to see that. I don't know what the big deal is about the sugar. If it was a lie.. what would the purpose be?

If I was baking cookies and needed sugar.. I would say I need some sugar for cookies... doesn't mean that I won't bake a cake.. make kool-aid or some cinammon and sugar toast with it as well. Would it then be a lie or something sinister if I hadn't said that from the beginning? Know what I mean?

[need2no]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


There is proof that she was using organic sugar for her business needs as well as any cookies that may have being made. All you have to do is check out her online stores to see that. I don't know what the big deal is about the sugar. If it was a lie.. what would the purpose be?

If I was baking cookies and needed sugar.. I would say I need some sugar for cookies... doesn't mean that I won't bake a cake.. make kool-aid or some cinammon and sugar toast with it as well. Would it then be a lie or something sinister if I hadn't said that from the beginning? Know what I mean? [/*]

I do, and I think it could go either way. 1) Nothing sinister/suspicious just initially forgot to mention that part of the sugar (needs) story, or didn't think it was important...or 2) an afterthought to bolster the sugar story and the need to purchase from a store (Costco) that sells o. sugar in bulk....when Safeway was just right up the street from NF's job and he could have quickly picked up a 3lb. bag of sugar to make cookies. When people started questioning why NF didn't just go right up to Safeway for the sugar that is when CF added the part about needing o. sugar for other things as well. But who knows. :shrug:

[Musterion]

Originally posted by Shelby1
Good morning everyone. Every morning I switch on my computer hoping for good news about Nicholas. Praying that he is safe somewhere.

I ran across this blog yesterday. The writer works with Nicholas. Her words really spoke to me and re-confirmed my thoughts on what a nice person Nicholas is.

---------------------------------

I haven't posted this on my blog yet because I know that most of you who read this aren't in a position to help, but I post it now because it is becoming so much of my life.

You may have seen on the news reports of a missing Sea-Tac man, Nicholas Francisco. I have worked with Nicholas for 2.5 years. He was last seen leaving our office last Wednesday the 13th and had planned a stop at Costco, and never made it home. He has two adorable children and a wife that he always talks about with admiration. He often leaves work within moments of finishing a project so he can hurry home to his family. Around the office everyone likes Nicholas and we often would beg to have him working on our projects because of his amazing attention to detail and commitment to high quality.

His friends and family were surprised to learn when he went missing that the police department does not have the ability (due to staffing) to commit resources to missing adults. The common theory is that all missing adults have left of their own accord. For those of us who know Nicholas well, we knew this was not the case. We knew something bad had happened to our friend.

So for the first 4.5 days that he was missing, it was simply up to us, those who know him and know his disappearance was NOT of his doing to try to find him. Our office designed and printed posters and immediately started canvassing our neighborhood. On Saturday, a massive search party gathered at our office and EVERY single road, street, and alley between here and south Burien was checked off by a team member. Those who had parks searched every trail, those who had parking lots checked off every car. Posters were put up in every store, bus stop, and public building.

Sunday was another day of canvassing in our Queen Anne neighborhood, where friends and family put up posters and asked anyone if they had seen him or his car on Wednesday.

Monday we woke up expecting to meet for a North end search party when the news broke around 11am that his car had been found in Federal Way. The car was not damaged and had been parked at an apartment complex since Friday - possibly Thursday. Our search effort turned to the south end as the Sheriff Jon Holland got involved and met us at a Park & Ride near where his car was found to give us further instruction. Our goal was simple, knock on every door near where his car was found, ask if anyone had seen anything or anyone driving or near the car. 65 volunteers showed up at 6:30pm on a dark holiday evening to help with this task, the Sheriff said he'd never seen such a turn out for something like this before. We were all thankful to see all of the local media channels on location, including Mimi Jung of King 5 who followed my party around the complex as we knocking on doors.

It's hard for me to describe the exhaustion I feel, not as much physical, but mental. Until you are in this situation, you just don't realize that YOU are the hope your friend has of being found. There is no "them" looking for him, there is no process or outside help. Until the car was found, the police were minimally involved, and we are thankful that a clue has surfaced and that they say now they will launch a full investigation.

But deep down, I know that it will still be us, his friends and family, that ultimately will bring Nicholas home. It will be up to us in the coming days to keep hope alive and to keep the story alive.

I simply ask for your prayers and thoughts for our friend Nicholas.

Other blogs that have updated information about the search for Nicholas:

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/

http://thedonovanfamily.blogspot.com/

Me on the news:

King 5 TV
Posted by Peanut at 10:58 AM
1 comments:

http://peanutandbert2005.blogspot.com/2 ... holas.html [/*]

Hi Shelby,

This is a beautiful and heartwrenching post.

I clicked on the link and it isn't available. Were you on there this morning? Or had you saved this? What was the date this blog was posted? I may have missed it when I was reading.

Thank you, Shelby.

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by inv


Yes, n/t. I agree. I think Harlett could answer the question about where the car is now. [/*]

Yes, Harlett could answer some questions.. but like I said the other day I am all done answering them... Why should I put myself out there, when I answer anything it's not believed and my credibility is questioned. I'm not about to post private messages or emails to back up information I have. You seem to know a lot of people and talk with LE, so I suggest you find out answers either through them or through Christine herself. Then you will be sure the info is accurate.

[inv]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


Yes, Harlett could answer some questions.. but like I said the other day I am all done answering them... Why should I put myself out there, when I answer anything it's not believed and my credibility is questioned. I'm not about to post private messages or emails to back up information I have. You seem to know a lot of people and talk with LE, so I suggest you find out answers either through them or through Christine herself. Then you will be sure the info is accurate. [/*]

You may be onto something. Accuracy is the key.

[MoonFlwr]

Hi shelby :seeya:

Thank you for sharing your experience!

How mentally and emotionally exhausting for you and others involved!

:rose:

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


Yes, Harlett could answer some questions.. but like I said the other day I am all done answering them... Why should I put myself out there, when I answer anything it's not believed and my credibility is questioned. I'm not about to post private messages or emails to back up information I have. You seem to know a lot of people and talk with LE, so I suggest you find out answers either through them or through Christine herself. Then you will be sure the info is accurate. [/*]

Your record speaks for itself.. Harlett. Many of us know that your heart is with the missing and their families.

Thank you for what you have done and told us. I, for one, totally understand your decision not to say any more.

[Brattnt]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Your record speaks for itself.. Harlett. Many of us know that your heart is with the missing and their families.

Thank you for what you have done and told us. I, for one, totally understand your decision not to say any more. [/*]ITA Mystry!...Well said!....:seeya:

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi Shelby,

This is a beautiful and heartwrenching post.

I clicked on the link and it isn't available. Were you on there this morning? Or had you saved this? What was the date this blog was posted? I may have missed it when I was reading.

Thank you, Shelby. [/*]

:eek: That's weird. I was on it yesterday and just happened to save it because I thought it was such a nice post.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by MoonFlwr
Hi shelby :seeya:

Thank you for sharing your experience!

How mentally and emotionally exhausting for you and others involved!

:rose: [/*]

I'm sorry, my post was confusing.

I don't know Nicholas, I just happened to run across that blog and thought it was so nice that I saved it.

[inv]

Harlett, I appreciate your thoughts. But, the way Fox News used those picutres was in contradiction to my perception of them.

Anyway, I can't just let go on this case because it seems nobody is searching for Nicholas, and LE doesn't have the resources, imo, to go on whims, so that is where I come in. I look for anything and everything that might throw up a flag.

I don't know if I can actually be of help in locating NF, but I can at least use my skills to find some clues.

Therefore, I am not going away on this one.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by inv


I can provide the links myself. All you have to do is go to Google and type my username.

Those photos were sold to nobody. They were provided to use in a story about his life during captivity. The photos were used in the wrong context and in a way that I had no idea they would be. I am not going to defend what the media chose to do with the photos. They were used out of context.

BTW, I am not digging at you. I am not questioning your cedibility, and I don't recall attacking you either. [/*]

Hey Inv - I for one appreciate the work you have tried to do for the victim in this case. IMO this is not a competition; however it could be a race to find someone who may be harmed or thinking of harming themselves. At this point we don't know.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by inv
Harlett, I appreciate your thoughts. But, the way Fox News used those picutres was in contradiction to my perception of them.

Anyway, I can't just let go on this case because it seems nobody is searching for Nicholas, and LE doesn't have the resources, imo, to go on whims, so that is where I come in. I look for anything and everything that might throw up a flag.

I don't know if I can actually be of help in locating NF, but I can at least use my skills to find some clues.

Therefore, I am not going away on this one. [/*]

Evidently in the Nicholas GARZA case, LE is going on whims - they are searching places they don't even really think he is. Garza's mother has done everything she can do to ensure that her son and his name and his status of "missing" is not forgotten. Big difference with this case.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by inv


I can provide the links myself. All you have to do is go to Google and type my username.

Those photos were sold to nobody. They were provided to use in a story about his life during captivity. The photos were used in the wrong context and in a way that I had no idea they would be. I am not going to defend what the media chose to do with the photos. They were used out of context.

BTW, I am not digging at you. I am not questioning your cedibility, and I don't recall attacking you either. [/*]

I took your post the same exact way the Harlett did. If that wasn't your intenion then sorry.

In context or out of context.. those photos never should have made it into the medias hands to victimize a VICTIM further. I except your explanation for what happened but the SH aspect does play into my thinking when reading your posts. Probably isn't fair but it is true.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I took your post the same exact way the Harlett did. If that wasn't your intenion then sorry.

In context or out of context.. those photos never should have made it into the medias hands to victimize a VICTIM further. I except your explanation for what happened but the SH aspect does play into my thinking when reading your posts. Probably isn't fair but it is true. [/*]

There was a post on here from Decor to me that said people look at who is posting when responding rather than looking at the content. I guess this confirms it does happen. I've been guilty of it myself and since there have been definite lines drawn (IMO) it probably keeps us (all of us) from being as productive as we could be. Again JMO.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


There was a post on here from Decor to me that said people look at who is posting when responding rather than looking at the content. I guess this confirms it does happen. I've been guilty of it myself and since there have been definite lines drawn (IMO) it probably keeps us (all of us) from being as productive as we could be. Again JMO. [/*]

Yeah.. guess I never thought of it like that but you are SO very right... and so was Decor. :D I am guilty of being biased to some posters.

[Silver_Dove]

All people are doing to help this case? Only thing I see happening is some people tearing Christine's every word apart and trying to put Nicholas up for sainthood. Anyone who has reason to believe other wise is also mocked and heaven forbid anyone stand up for Christine.

This made me think of the Wet Spot and I wondered how far it was from where he worked. Turned out it was 3 minutes from work. Also the Shell Gas Station would be on the way to the Wet Spot if he left work. Very easy to get to at lunch and back to work without anyone being the wiser. Also over at WS someone who worked at Publicis said "Publicis was very good about allowing for flexibility when it came to family needs etc."
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63123&page=24
This could mean he could come and go at work a bit more them a place with a time clock. This would have left him even more time to "play".but still be the perfect husband getting home on time.

Now around the same time the info about a secret life started to come out Christine didn't want to go public any more. Also "A 'paper trail' has been uncovered that goes back a few years. This side of Nicholas was totally hidden from his family. It has shattered her life and taken everything from her and the kids."
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=179229&highlight=secret#post179229
I just can't believe she stopped talking because she found out he was hiding money from her. What kind of a secret would make her not want to talk? It would seem likely that it was one she felt was shameful. I also had the feeling that what ever it was she didn't want to believe it was something he would do but slowly came to believe it. That could explain some of the odd things she has said and how they changed over time.

Now the fact that she is looking to divorce since we all know she is a Christian and has even been has been posting verses it would seem to me the only way that she would bring herself to post for all to see that she was getting a divorce could be a way of saying without saying he was/had commit adultery without saying it. People have tried to look for clues in what she says and I would say this could be a really big clue to the secret life.

Finally I'm now leaning toward the fact the LE did contact me here and the reason they gave was "I knew more then the normal writers" and ask was I Nicholas. I just said "ask the people at the wet spot" they didn't even question that just told me thanks. .

Sorry but knowing the Seattle sub cultures all of this makes way more sense then anything else I have seen. Nicholas could be a great friend and a nice guy. He could have been a good husband and father until the day he didn't come home. At the same time he could easily have a secret life like I have said. My only problem with him is if this is true he didn't tell his wife and he walked out on his kids.

I also find it difficult to believe that after several years he hadn't learn enough to keep himself safe. I also find the fact that he vanished the day be for Valentines day interesting because it is the day that many pair up with partners. Could someone he was seeing part time want him full time for this Valentines day? I find it very possible. No idea if it is male, female or a couple all are possibilities. Also if this is true is he hiding or is he going out to party? I'm guessing he stayed home before so he would be wanting to party now but who knows for sure. Also would it be in Tacoma or Seattle? If he is in the condo in Fed Way it could be either. Even though there are posters out most people never look at them and with sun glasses and dyed hair who would see him as the person in the picture and at night it is hard to see anyway.

There is nothing I have seen posted other then maybe things his wife said before she learned and came to accept the secret life info that would make this an impossible theory.

At this point something must have caused him to vanish and there just isn't a theory for foul play that stands up other then almost impossible one that needs a whole group of people to pull off.

The police also are saying they can find nothing that leads them to believe there was foul play and have scaled back what they are doing to find him. I personally hope that at some point soon he has the guts to surface and support his children and save the woman, he at one point told he loved, the pain of being daily torn apart for every little thing that people think she is or isn't doing.

People have question everything she has done, be it caring for her children when they have chicken poxes, to what she writes, to moving out of a house she can't afford alone, to getting a divorce with no other reason then it isn't what they would do. How is that fair. Even if Nicholas is dead she and his children are still victims of what happen and if he is alive then they are the only real victims.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Yeah.. guess I never thought of it like that but you are SO very right... and so was Decor. :D I am guilty of being biased to some posters. [/*]

shhhhhhhhhhhhh Decor might see this :D

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


shhhhhhhhhhhhh Decor might see this :D [/*]

Rainy, did LE say Nicholas was leading a double life? I'm kinda surprised that some have lept to the conclusion that Nicholas disappeared without a trace because he wanted and needed to go totally underground in order to engage in a gay lifestyle. In this day and age, that doesn't make sense to me.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Rainy, did LE say Nicholas was leading a double life? I'm kinda surprised that some have lept to the conclusion that Nicholas disappeared without a trace because he wanted and needed to go totally underground in order to engage in a gay lifestyle. In this day and age, that doesn't make sense to me. [/*]

Or maybe it is to avoid child support which for 3 children can be expensive.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Rainy, did LE say Nicholas was leading a double life? I'm kinda surprised that some have lept to the conclusion that Nicholas disappeared without a trace because he wanted and needed to go totally underground in order to engage in a gay lifestyle. In this day and age, that doesn't make sense to me. [/*]

I completely agree. This is where I keep getting confused. Double life/secret life/secrets all have different connotations.

LE has stated that they found he was keeping secrets from his wife. I think Harlett has more information on what CF told her regarding how these secrets affected her, but what those secrets are, I don't know.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


Yes, Harlett could answer some questions.. but like I said the other day I am all done answering them... Why should I put myself out there, when I answer anything it's not believed and my credibility is questioned. I'm not about to post private messages or emails to back up information I have. You seem to know a lot of people and talk with LE, so I suggest you find out answers either through them or through Christine herself. Then you will be sure the info is accurate. [/*]

Hi Harlett

I am so very sorry for the continued scrutiny of your credibility and incessant questioning of answers you have been kind enough to post for us by some members of this board.

I sincerely hope you know that some of us deeply appreciate the answers you have provided. You have posted with integrity and compassion and I truly believe you would not have posted any information had you not had prior approval from your sources.

I am saddened that you no longer feel comfortable providing those answers, but must say I understand considering the way I have first hand witnessed the piranhas tear everything apart.

I am upset also that the despicable behavior of some have ruined it for the rest of us who looked forward to HONEST answers in regard to Nicholas' disappearance.

[Cheri_G]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove
All people are doing to help this case?

**snipped for space** [/*]

Are you really still going on about this club? :rolleyes:

Don't you think given its proximity to Publicis that somebody who knows Nick would have seen him entering or leaving at some point?

Oh wait, you said you thought he might be sneaking down there at lunch time. Let me guess, it was a superman act. He ran into the nearest phone booth and came out looking like somebody totally different before heading off to the club, right?

I believe Christine posted on her blog that she wasn't talking anymore because people here and elsewhere weren't automatically believing every word she said or something to that effect.

I suspect Christine's decision to divorce has very little to do with her faith and whatever she thinks Nick was doing and quite a lot to do with money.

Do you really believe somebody in LE joined this board using a nick rather than their real name along with contact details just to tell you that you know more than normal writers? Puhleeeeease.

In a legal sense Christine and the children are not victims. They are not missing. No crime has been committed against them that I know of. The only potential victim here is Nick.

As for people questioning the things Christine says and her actions or lack of action in certain areas, that's part of the process on crime boards. Have a look at the Stacy Peterson board and what things people have to say about Drew and the things he says and does as an example.

All that aside, I think the reason you want to discuss this club and what supposedly goes on there has nothing to do with this case. If you like to discuss this stuff thats fine. A lot of people do and there are loads of adult sites where its done. You might want to check some of them out.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Cheri_G


Are you really still going on about this club? :rolleyes:

Don't you think given its proximity to Publicis that somebody who knows Nick would have seen him entering or leaving at some point?
Not like there is a big sign on it for people to notice plus 3 minutes driving isn't that close walking

Oh wait, you said you thought he might be sneaking down there at lunch time. Let me guess, it was a superman act. He ran into the nearest phone booth and came out looking like somebody totally different before heading off to the club, right?
Why in the world would he do this? No one would tell anyone he was there. It just isn't done.

I believe Christine posted on her blog that she wasn't talking anymore because people here and elsewhere weren't automatically believing every word she said or something to that effect.
There is truth to that, people do tear her apart every time she does anything but even the LE said she stopped doing media after she found out about the secret life

I suspect Christine's decision to divorce has very little to do with her faith and whatever she thinks Nick was doing and quite a lot to do with money.
Why is that? Because it is what you would do? Ever single thing from even before Nicholas left shows her to be very much a Christian. I just can't imagine her divorcing without a Biblical reason.

Do you really believe somebody in LE joined this board using a nick rather than their real name along with contact details just to tell you that you know more than normal writers? Puhleeeeease.
Well they used a real name that checks out and the sent it right after Inv emailed the LE about me and he believed it was them. Want me to email them and ask them?

In a legal sense Christine and the children are not victims. They are not missing. No crime has been committed against them that I know of. The only potential victim here is Nick.Oh is it just legal sense now? Thank goodness there are boards like HarletOhara's where they support the families as victims unlike yours that hides what you are doing so you can better mock people.

As for people questioning the things Christine says and her actions or lack of action in certain areas, that's part of the process on crime boards. Have a look at the Stacy Peterson board and what things people have to say about Drew and the things he says and does as an example. So there can only be your answer for why she behaves the way she does? The fact she might feel shame over what she has found Nicholas has done can't be possible?

All that aside, I think the reason you want to discuss this club and what supposedly goes on there has nothing to do with this case. If you like to discuss this stuff thats fine. A lot of people do and there are loads of adult sites where its done. You might want to check some of them out. [/*]
And I think the reason you have to put Nicholas up for sainthood is because you have developed a crush on him. You can't stand to have anything negative about him posted.

Also I have never posted details and have only give links for those who want more info.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Cheri_G


Are you really still going on about this club? :rolleyes:

Don't you think given its proximity to Publicis that somebody who knows Nick would have seen him entering or leaving at some point?

Oh wait, you said you thought he might be sneaking down there at lunch time. Let me guess, it was a superman act. He ran into the nearest phone booth and came out looking like somebody totally different before heading off to the club, right?

I believe Christine posted on her blog that she wasn't talking anymore because people here and elsewhere weren't automatically believing every word she said or something to that effect.

I suspect Christine's decision to divorce has very little to do with her faith and whatever she thinks Nick was doing and quite a lot to do with money.

Do you really believe somebody in LE joined this board using a nick rather than their real name along with contact details just to tell you that you know more than normal writers? Puhleeeeease.

In a legal sense Christine and the children are not victims. They are not missing. No crime has been committed against them that I know of. The only potential victim here is Nick.

As for people questioning the things Christine says and her actions or lack of action in certain areas, that's part of the process on crime boards. Have a look at the Stacy Peterson board and what things people have to say about Drew and the things he says and does as an example.

All that aside, I think the reason you want to discuss this club and what supposedly goes on there has nothing to do with this case. If you like to discuss this stuff thats fine. A lot of people do and there are loads of adult sites where its done. You might want to check some of them out. [/*]

Very well said Cheri. I'm not sure why this particular train of thought continues to come up, but it seems more like a personal fixation rather than anything pertinent to this case.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Very well said Cheri. I'm not sure why this particular train of thought continues to come up, but it seems more like a personal fixation rather than anything pertinent to this case. [/*]

Ah yes another support from the secret board where Nicholas is being up for sainthood and anything that doesn't fit with the perfect man is discarded. When will n/t be here she/he was the one who started me on this with the post of private posts.

[darcie]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Your record speaks for itself.. Harlett. Many of us know that your heart is with the missing and their families.

Thank you for what you have done and told us. I, for one, totally understand your decision not to say any more. [/*]


I dont post much on this thread, but I do read it and follow it, and I just have to say that I agree wholeheartedly with your post Mystry~~Just in my opinion, Harlett has been a blessing to many many families of the missing. I have seen her help the family build web pages, create public awareness, create memorial pages, the list goes on and on.

I for one tip my hat to you Harlett. I know that the first place I would turn if i was faced with the heart wrenching task of searching for a missing loved one, I would be searching you out.

As for Nicholas? Tough to say what happened to him. Looks like he walked away, but looks can be so deceving as we all know. I question Christine's behavior, actions; but I can only imagine the amount of stress she is under. I am not in her shoes. NOR am I in Nicholas's. I know people sometimes have to do the unordinary, to survive the ordinary. Who knows what his life was really like. We can hear what the office people say, what his wife says, but we aren't hearing from Nicholas. He might have the ability to put up one heck of a front for everyone, but be miserable as *hell on the inside. Maybe he decided enough was enough.

I know that I work in an office, and I know several people personally. I see them outside of work on occassion, but they have NO clue as to what my life outside of the office is like, besides what I of course tell them. SO I think their first thought about me would be yes, she is married, and happy, and blah, blah blah, but in all honesty, they don't have a clue as to what makes me tick, or what my life consists of.

By the way, you all are doing a great thing for Nicholas and his family. Don't loose sight of that!


Just my thoughts, and my two cents! Even if you all didn't ask for it!

:D

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Hey Inv - I for one appreciate the work you have tried to do for the victim in this case. IMO this is not a competition; however it could be a race to find someone who may be harmed or thinking of harming themselves. At this point we don't know.

Why on earth that the SH case were brought up on this thread I don't know but I will address this in case people are confused about the case.

There was one person arrested in the case of the kidnapping of SH and BO. That person was the one to kidnap and victimize these two boys and he was charged with 71 felony counts, 17 related to Ben Ownby and 54 related to Shawn Hornbeck.

http://www.fox11az.com/news/topstories/stories/kmsb-20070205-kmovjc-devlin.54e39754.html

IMO this person, Michael Devlin, a kidnapper, a predator of children and sexual deviant offender is the one responsible for victimizing these two boys (and who knows if there were other victims?) and he was given his day in court pertaining to the charges against him and he did plead guilty and is serving a life sentence.

He was the only one tried in court for the heinous crimes committed against those two boys.

These cases pertaining to the missing (and thankfully found alive boys) have been closed.

The case of Nicholas Francisco still remains unsolved as he is still listed as missing.

I apparently misunderstood that this thread was pertaining to an adult male missing from the SeaTac area.

For those that might know something pertaining to Nicholas Francisco

Please Contact the

King County Sheriff’s Office tip line: 206-296-3311

or call confidentially at America's Most Wanted -

1-800-CRIME- TV (1-800-274-6388)

jmo

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Cheri_G


Are you really still going on about this club? :rolleyes:

Don't you think given its proximity to Publicis that somebody who knows Nick would have seen him entering or leaving at some point?

Oh wait, you said you thought he might be sneaking down there at lunch time. Let me guess, it was a superman act. He ran into the nearest phone booth and came out looking like somebody totally different before heading off to the club, right?

I believe Christine posted on her blog that she wasn't talking anymore because people here and elsewhere weren't automatically believing every word she said or something to that effect.

I suspect Christine's decision to divorce has very little to do with her faith and whatever she thinks Nick was doing and quite a lot to do with money.

Do you really believe somebody in LE joined this board using a nick rather than their real name along with contact details just to tell you that you know more than normal writers? Puhleeeeease.

In a legal sense Christine and the children are not victims. They are not missing. No crime has been committed against them that I know of. The only potential victim here is Nick.

As for people questioning the things Christine says and her actions or lack of action in certain areas, that's part of the process on crime boards. Have a look at the Stacy Peterson board and what things people have to say about Drew and the things he says and does as an example.

All that aside, I think the reason you want to discuss this club and what supposedly goes on there has nothing to do with this case. If you like to discuss this stuff thats fine. A lot of people do and there are loads of adult sites where its done. You might want to check some of them out. [/*]


You are one of the people that I think has lost complete perspective when it come to Nicholas and Christine. Your board proves that 10 fold and I have to wonder what you will do.. if and when you find out that what you believe to be true.. isn't what is true and the people that you think aren't being honest are the ones that are being honest. I wonder if in the future you will decide to handle yourself different after you know the truth.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Postergeist


Why on earth that the SH case were brought up on this thread I don't know but I will address this in case people are confused about the case.

There was one person arrested in the case of the kidnapping of SH and BO. That person was the one to kidnap and victimize these two boys and he was charged with 71 felony counts, 17 related to Ben Ownby and 54 related to Shawn Hornbeck.

http://www.fox11az.com/news/topstories/stories/kmsb-20070205-kmovjc-devlin.54e39754.html

IMO this person, Michael Devlin, a kidnapper, a predator of children and sexual deviant offender is the one responsible for victimizing these two boys (and who knows if there were other victims?) and he was given his day in court pertaining to the charges against him and he did plead guilty and is serving a life sentence.

He was the only one tried in court for the heinous crimes committed against those two boys.

These cases pertaining to the missing (and thankfully found alive boys) have been closed.

The case of Nicholas Francisco still remains unsolved as he is still listed as missing.

I apparently misunderstood that this thread was pertaining to an adult male missing from the SeaTac area.

For those that might know something pertaining to Nicholas Francisco

Please Contact the

King County Sheriff’s Office tip line: 206-296-3311

or call confidentially at America's Most Wanted -

1-800-CRIME- TV (1-800-274-6388)

jmo [/*]

This board IS supposed to be about Nicholas, but I think it has lost its purpose. The only things some people want to talk about concerning him is some deviant behavior like running to sex clubs at lunch time.

There are a few of us who are trying to offer our help to Nick's mother in the event she simply does not know what to do regarding searches and keeping his name out there.

[Postergeist]

I see this thread has gone from the focus of a missing man to something else entirely.

I will say what happens on other boards should stay on other boards and not drug over here to continue any fighting.

I will say that personal grievances with posters that have nothing to do what has been posted in this forum should be kept in PMs.

I will say those that live in and around the area of where Nicholas Franciso went missing will continue to keep their eyes and ears open if they see anything or overhear anything that may help in finding him.

http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=53372

I will say for those that are interested in the financial support of his wife and children can find those links in the LINK pages that has the various contacts for donations.

I'm not aware of any link for any fundings for the search for Nick, but there may be one.

~Hope for Nicholas~

:rose:

jmo

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


This board IS supposed to be about Nicholas, but I think it has lost its purpose. The only things some people want to talk about concerning him is some deviant behavior like running to sex clubs at lunch time.

There are a few of us who are trying to offer our help to Nick's mother in the event she simply does not know what to do regarding searches and keeping his name out there. [/*]

Nick's mother?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Nick's mother? [/*]

Yes. From the very beginning CF has not been able to search due to being pregnant, and with her recent status of "divorced" I believe the responsibility for finding him may fall on his parents.

Mrs. Francisco may not know what to do, and if she were to have a higher profile like Mrs. Garza, it might help locate Nick. Mrs. Francisco may not even know about TES - places like that.

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


This board IS supposed to be about Nicholas, but I think it has lost its purpose. The only things some people want to talk about concerning him is some deviant behavior like running to sex clubs at lunch time.

There are a few of us who are trying to offer our help to Nick's mother in the event she simply does not know what to do regarding searches and keeping his name out there.

Sadly Rainy, I realize that those still holding out hope for Nicholas has dwindled. There are likely many out there that still hold an interest and care but by reading off and on this forum, I can see where many can feel off-put by what has been a frequence occurrence.

The atmosphere on the forum started to tilt somewhat around the end of Feb. and then by the middle of March...:(

I do hope Nick's family can get the help from the right contacts they may need if LE is unable or unwilling to help in the search for Nicholas.

I'm going to err on the side of good and think that the majority of people have good intentions of helping to find Nick, even if they have never posted on this forum.

From what I've read in the news links, his co-workers did an outstanding job of canvassing the area initially.

:rose: For all that go out on searches

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove
All people are doing to help this case? Only thing I see happening is some people tearing Christine's every word apart and trying to put Nicholas up for sainthood. Anyone who has reason to believe other wise is also mocked and heaven forbid anyone stand up for Christine..... <snip>

[/*]

Interesting and well thought out post, thank you for your input.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Yes. From the very beginning CF has not been able to search due to being pregnant, and with her recent status of "divorced" I believe the responsibility for finding him may fall on his parents.

Mrs. Francisco may not know what to do, and if she were to have a higher profile like Mrs. Garza, it might help locate Nick. Mrs. Francisco may not even know about TES - places like that. [/*]

You are assuming that because of Christine's decision to file for divorce.. that she is going to stop searching for Nicholas. We have no way of knowing if that and seems to go against what we know by her posts that she won't stop.

[desmom]

Originally posted by Postergeist


Sadly Rainy, I realize that those still holding out hope for Nicholas has dwindled. There are likely many out there that still hold an interest and care but by reading off and on this forum, I can see where many can feel off-put by what has been a frequence occurrence.

The atmosphere on the forum started to tilt somewhat around the end of Feb. and then by the middle of March...:(

I do hope Nick's family can get the help from the right contacts they may need if LE is unable or unwilling to help in the search for Nicholas.

I'm going to err on the side of good and think that the majority of people have good intentions of helping to find Nick, even if they have never posted on this forum.

From what I've read in the news links, his co-workers did an outstanding job of canvassing the area initially.

:rose: For all that go out on searches [/*]

Very nice Postergeist! :patriot:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


You are assuming that because of Christine's decision to file for divorce.. that she is going to stop searching for Nicholas. We have no way of knowing if that and seems to go against what we know by her posts that she won't stop. [/*]

I have no way to know Mystry, but it sure wouldn't hurt for the parents to get involved also and have some information on who TES is, and other organizations.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


This board IS supposed to be about Nicholas, but I think it has lost its purpose. The only things some people want to talk about concerning him is some deviant behavior like running to sex clubs at lunch time.

There are a few of us who are trying to offer our help to Nick's mother in the event she simply does not know what to do regarding searches and keeping his name out there. [/*]

What about his kids who without a his body alive or dead won't get the support they need?

And what if I am right? It will do more go for his children if he is found then for his mother.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia



You are one of the people that I think has lost complete perspective when it come to Nicholas and Christine. Your board proves that 10 fold and I have to wonder what you will do.. if and when you find out that what you believe to be true.. isn't what is true and the people that you think aren't being honest are the ones that are being honest. I wonder if in the future you will decide to handle yourself different after you know the truth. [/*]

Thank you for saying this. There seems to be a lot of lost perspective on this board. It just boggles my mind I'm flabbergasted speechless. (:

IMO

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


What about his kids who without a his body alive or dead won't get the support they need?

And what if I am right? It will do more go for his children if he is found then for his mother. [/*]

He needs to be found one way or another IMO. Do you not agree? I'm sorry I didn't understand your post.