April 19, Apr. 20, Apr. 21

[SavannahStar]

Open for business!

Hope everyone is having a wonderful weekend so far.

GP said in the other thread, wonder what will be in those documents to be unsealed next week?

Will we be shocked?

:cool:

[Kim]

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Originally posted by gaelicpeas
So, I wonder what's going to be in these documents to be unsealed next week.... [/*]
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Can you explain what this means? are these documents that have already been made public or maybe some that contain information that may harm someons reputation or release personal info maybe Marias? Thanks
( in and out today)

[gaelicpeas]

Kim - hope you see the new thread. I don't know what these documents are. I am assuming they are search warrants, but that is just a guess.

[Kim]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
Kim - hope you see the new thread. I don't know what these documents are. I am assuming they are search warrants, but that is just a guess. [/*]
To protect private info on people who may have been cleared? (people insignificant to the case?

[SavannahStar]

Search warrants is a pretty good guess.

:shrug:

[nuttintodo]

I wonder if the SW of the Laurean home will be unsealed?

That's the one I am curious about.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
I wonder if the SW of the Laurean home will be unsealed?

That's the one I am curious about. [/*]

IF we get to see SW's, will we see RESULTS of the SW's?

[Lyn_T]

Morning all. I am assuming the documents in question have something to do with LK's post on Wed....now that Laurean has been caught the SW's he refers to in 4th paragraph in Wed's post.
http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?m=20080416

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Kim

To protect private info on people who may have been cleared? (people insignificant to the case? [/*]

Not sure what you mean. I think the search warrants have affidavits attached which explain the probable cause for obtaining the search warrants - or at least that is how I understand it.

JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


IF we get to see SW's, will we see RESULTS of the SW's? [/*]

I doubt that, but who knows....

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I doubt that, but who knows.... [/*]

Well what big surprises would just seeing the SW's have, then? :confused:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Well what big surprises would just seeing the SW's have, then? :confused: [/*]

not sure... maybe something in the attached affidavits? Or maybe a search warrant for phone records of somebody heretofore not connected with the case? lol - just guessing here - could be anything...

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
I wonder if the SW of the Laurean home will be unsealed?

That's the one I am curious about. [/*]
Morning nuttin,

On Wednesday when I posted about the documents no one replied, think sometimes I'm on 'ignore' :(

I'm guessing one of the docs will include items taken from the Laurean home, dunno??? Another may be the complete item list taken from DD's home/shed.

I found it interesting LK chose to post the photo of 'Sharpshooters'.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by IvySterling



*snipped*

I found it interesting LK chose to post the photo of 'Sharpshooters'. [/*]

Have we heard of Sharpshooters at all before this? My mind is slipping if we have......I don't remember that name at all.

:confused:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Have we heard of Sharpshooters at all before this? My mind is slipping if we have......I don't remember that name at all.

:confused: [/*]
A former poster had said that is where Cesar & Maria had met IIRC

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by IvySterling

A former poster had said that is where Cesar & Maria had met IIRC [/*]

Ah. TY, Ivy. Well, yes, then it is rather interesting that would be posted by LK. I don't see any particular import, except a curious interest where they met. Nothing more that we know so far. :shrug:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Ah. TY, Ivy. Well, yes, then it is rather interesting that would be posted by LK. I don't see any particular import, except a curious interest where they met. Nothing more that we know so far. :shrug: [/*]
Maybe it comes into play as to where both may have been seen AFTER the alleged rape was reported :shrug:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Morning nuttin,

On Wednesday when I posted about the documents no one replied, think sometimes I'm on 'ignore' :(

I'm guessing one of the docs will include items taken from the Laurean home, dunno??? Another may be the complete item list taken from DD's home/shed.

I found it interesting LK chose to post the photo of 'Sharpshooters'. [/*]

Nah you're not on ignore with me, if that's any consolation. :)

I'm thinking about the Affidavits that accompany those SW too as well as what was taken from the homes. Time will tell.

Sharpshooters....maybe he went there and shot some pool? ;)

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Nah you're not on ignore with me, if that's any consolation. :)

I'm thinking about the Affidavits that accompany those SW too as well as what was taken from the homes. Time will tell.

Sharpshooters....maybe he went there and shot some pool? ;) [/*]

Well affidavits and what was taken from the homes is more or less what I was talking about when I said the "results" of the SW's. I hope you are right. But then again.....being devil's advocate, say that we see that a certain item was taken out of the home (presumably for testing).....do we then see the results of those tests?

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Well affidavits and what was taken from the homes is more or less what I was talking about when I said the "results" of the SW's. I hope you are right. But then again.....being devil's advocate, say that we see that a certain item was taken out of the home (presumably for testing).....do we then see the results of those tests? [/*]

You won't see the results of any testing done on an item. You will just see a listing of the items seized in the SW. The affidavit may give an idea as to what specifically LE was looking for and we'll probably all go round and round as to what it means.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


You won't see the results of any testing done on an item. You will just see a listing of the items seized in the SW. The affidavit may give an idea as to what specifically LE was looking for and we'll probably all go round and round as to what it means. [/*]

Gottcha. Oh YEH. :D

[crymeariver2006]

Well, well....

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=94

Check out the last paragraph of LK's entry.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Morning nuttin,

On Wednesday when I posted about the documents no one replied, think sometimes I'm on 'ignore' :(

I'm guessing one of the docs will include items taken from the Laurean home, dunno??? Another may be the complete item list taken from DD's home/shed.

I found it interesting LK chose to post the photo of 'Sharpshooters'. [/*]

hi Ivy! I certainly don't have you on ignore!

Good idea to you and Nuttin about the items being listed...

[nuttintodo]

Hey that sounds like someone is going south of the border....now just which south of the border---the one at the state line or Mexico? Yeah I know which one he means....

Well, maybe the 'person' will get something but most likely not.

I wonder if Wally is going too?

jmoo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006
Well, well....

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=94

Check out the last paragraph of LK's entry. [/*]

I guess they won't get to talk to Laurean, eh?

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


hi Ivy! I certainly don't have you on ignore!

Good idea to you and Nuttin about the items being listed... [/*]

Sorry for the O/T but GPeas...hope you are feeling much better today.

Yes I am curious as to what the items were.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I guess they won't get to talk to Laurean, eh? [/*]

Why would they not get to talk to him? His Mexican counsel?

I think they will be able to or they wouldn't bother with the trip. Now, it might just mean that Wally's going alone.

:shrug:

[Kim]

I can't help but to be excited about this.I think we all have been waiting to see what he has to say and if he will come through for us and implicate MRS.X.I dont want to get my hopes too high since I think he may be loyal to the end.I have my fingers crossed :hat:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
I wonder if the SW of the Laurean home will be unsealed?

That's the one I am curious about. [/*]
Hi nuttin :seeya: Me too! And I know we'll have to wait for the trial for my other request, the crime scene photos, but I'd really like to know where blood was found inside the house since there have been different versions of that report.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006
Well, well....

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=94

Check out the last paragraph of LK's entry. [/*]
Very interesting and so are the following comments! I wonder about the hammer part too and if that's a hint? One blow could be fatal.

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I guess they won't get to talk to Laurean, eh? [/*]

I don't quite understand the necessity for the information to be presented in such a coy, "I know something you don't know" fashion, but I'm sure LK has his reasons.

I can imagine the DA wants & NEEDS to go to Mexico to take care of some of the legal stuff in person.

And I can certainly understand why Cesar's attorney would go there - to confer with him.

But I'm also wondering if Cesar has sent messages via his Mexican counsel and/or his family to LE, perhaps indicating he will tell all in return for a promise of X, Y or Z considerations.

Sure will be glad when there are fewer mysteries to 'wonder' about in this case.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Mimi428



But I'm also wondering if Cesar has sent messages via his Mexican counsel and/or his family to LE, perhaps indicating he will tell all in return for a promise of X, Y or Z considerations.

Sure will be glad when there are fewer mysteries to 'wonder' about in this case. [/*]
The DA said when CL was arrested that he wouldn't negotiate with him (plea down) though, but maybe he's reconsidering? Why does LE want to "hear from" CL?

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Kim
I can't help but to be excited about this.I think we all have been waiting to see what he has to say and if he will come through for us and implicate MRS.X.I dont want to get my hopes too high since I think he may be loyal to the end.I have my fingers crossed :hat: [/*]
In the event only Cesar's Legal team will venture to Mexico, we'll know nothing about what Cesar says, or doesn't say IMO

[Kim]

Originally posted by IvySterling

In the event only Cesar's Legal team will venture to Mexico, we'll know nothing about what Cesar says, or doesn't say IMO [/*]
Does that article mean it is his legal team?
I was hoping it was the DA or SB himself.
Whatever the case may be we have nothing to lose by hearing his side and everything to gain,especially if it makes any sense out of this whole thing.Right now all we have are facts that are very abstract and confusing to say the least.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Sorry for the O/T but GPeas...hope you are feeling much better today.

Yes I am curious as to what the items were. [/*]

thanks, Nuttin!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Why would they not get to talk to him? His Mexican counsel?

I think they will be able to or they wouldn't bother with the trip. Now, it might just mean that Wally's going alone.

:shrug: [/*]
ohhh.. I thought he meant a reporter was going to Mexico! Never mind...

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by sunstar

The DA said when CL was arrested that he wouldn't negotiate with him (plea down) though, but maybe he's reconsidering? Why does LE want to "hear from" CL? [/*]

I sure don't know. From everything we have read/heard the extradition process will take 2 months time to accomplish if it is on the fast track & Cesar does not fight extradition. And I'm not sure what benefit it would be to LE to get any promise from Cesar that he would NOT fight extradition because I don't know how they could hold him to that sort of agreement.

I can definitely see his attorney going to Mexico to advise him of what he may or may not be able to do for him here, in this country.

I'm sure Christina's attorney will be interested in everything about this trip (no matter who makes it), as well.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Kim

Does that article mean it is his legal team?
I was hoping it was the DA or SB himself.
Whatever the case may be we have nothing to lose by hearing his side and everything to gain,especially if it makes any sense out of this whole thing.Right now all we have are facts that are very abstract and confusing to say the least. [/*]
I have no idea who will be venturing to Mexico, just guessing one among a group from other divisions of the case will be his Attorney.

IF Cesar comes right out and says he murdered Maria on his own and no one else was involved his Atty. MAY tell him to fight extradition, dunno!

IF Cesar tells his Attny. others were involved in Maria's death, his Attny. will probably advise him to return to face the charges and trial by Jury.

I don't think Cesar's legal adviser will be going to Mexico until the UMC has laid out what charges he will face by them upon his return.

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

ohhh.. I thought he meant a reporter was going to Mexico! Never mind... [/*]

OMIGOSH - I wasn't even thinking about that as a possibility.

Would that be a kick in the pants or what? Would his attorney even agree to such a notion? Would Cesar barge ahead, ala Robert Blake, & blab to reporters against the advice of his attorneys?

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by sunstar

Very interesting and so are the following comments! I wonder about the hammer part too and if that's a hint? One blow could be fatal. [/*]

Wasn't the wound like 4" X 5"? I could see if it were held and hit Maria from the "T" side, but not from the actual head where you hit nails.

Interesting though.

What if....Cesar tells them what the murder weapon really is and where it is now. And it's not a crowbar.

:shrug:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Mimi428


OMIGOSH - I wasn't even thinking about that as a possibility.

Would that be a kick in the pants or what? Would his attorney even agree to such a notion? Would Cesar barge ahead, ala Robert Blake, & blab to reporters against the advice of his attorneys? [/*]

I don't know. When I was thinking reporter, I was thinking maybe they would do a piece on the prison, maybe talk to the warden, etc.

[Kim]

Wouldnt it be something if it were Mary Lauterbach herself going for answers? It's far fetched maybe but I know I would ...I wouldnt wait No way!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Kim
Wouldnt it be something if it were Mary Lauterbach herself going for answers? It's far fetched maybe but I know I would ...I wouldnt wait No way! [/*]

That would be a surprise visitor for sure!

[sunstar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Wasn't the wound like 4" X 5"? I could see if it were held and hit Maria from the "T" side, but not from the actual head where you hit nails.

Interesting though.

What if....Cesar tells them what the murder weapon really is and where it is now. And it's not a crowbar.

:shrug: [/*]
I think you're right about the size. I'm just looking for subliminal messages in LK's posts. :read:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Kim
Wouldnt it be something if it were Mary Lauterbach herself going for answers? It's far fetched maybe but I know I would ...I wouldnt wait No way! [/*]
It would be a shock if it were here, imo. I think she'll wait for his trial and really think it's either LE, the DA or more likely his own attorney.

[caejde]

Hey everyone. Won't be around much this weekend. Hubby came home late last night after being gone all week. But I did want to check in.

I hope we get to hear about whoever goes down to Mexico. And I sure can't wait to hear Cesar's side of things. NO, I am not giving him a pass, NO I am not defending him....I am just very curious to hear what he has to say.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Mimi428


OMIGOSH - I wasn't even thinking about that as a possibility.

Would that be a kick in the pants or what? Would his attorney even agree to such a notion? Would Cesar barge ahead, ala Robert Blake, & blab to reporters against the advice of his attorneys? [/*]

I haven't been on line until now and I am in the middle of spring cleaning so I scanned Lindell's article quickly. I thought someone may be going to Mexico to interview his family members. Don't know if it would be a news reporter wanting an interview and they have granted it or if they are willing to speak to LE.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by caejde
Hey everyone. Won't be around much this weekend. Hubby came home late last night after being gone all week. But I did want to check in.

I hope we get to hear about whoever goes down to Mexico. And I sure can't wait to hear Cesar's side of things. NO, I am not giving him a pass, NO I am not defending him....I am just very curious to hear what he has to say. [/*]

It sure seems that in this case LE want the same. I find that unusual especially since they are very aware that he has an attorney.

Imo they have some things that don't make sense and aren't adding up and hopes he will clear them up.

imoo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


It sure seems that in this case LE want the same. I find that unusual especially since they are very aware that he has an attorney.

Imo they have some things that don't make sense and aren't adding up and hopes he will clear them up.

imoo [/*]
I found it unusual that LE wants to hear from the suspect if they have a strong case against him. Like they expect him to talk to them without allowing for any negotiations? :shrug:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by sunstar

I found it unusual that LE wants to hear from the suspect if they have a strong case against him. Like they expect him to talk to them without allowing for any negotiations? :shrug: [/*]

Psssst....I don't think the case is that strong myself. But that's just me and JMO.

It's probably Paramore and he may or may not hold a pc or discuss what was said. I think it depends on WHAT is said though.

[Kim]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Psssst....I don't think the case is that strong myself. But that's just me and JMO.

It's probably Paramore and he may or may not hold a pc or discuss what was said. I think it depends on WHAT is said though. [/*]

I agree :beer:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Psssst....I don't think the case is that strong myself. But that's just me and JMO.

It's probably Paramore and he may or may not hold a pc or discuss what was said. I think it depends on WHAT is said though. [/*]
I agree. I think there are a lot of holes LE would like CL to fill in for them but I can't see him doing that unless there's something in it for him. Would the MC agree not to prosecute him for anything?

[Kim]

I think since they made a beeline for him and only him IMO he may be more than willing to say" hold on before I am convicted I want a fair trial"

[baywench]

Originally posted by Kim
I think since they made a beeline for him and only him IMO he may be more than willing to say" hold on before I am convicted I want a fair trial" [/*]

Boy that word "Proof" was chilling to me. He is either the dumbest SOB criminal in the world or he and CSL have cooked up a scheme that LE will have problems knowing which one or both did the murder.

2. (incoming random thought because I am reconciling my checkbook) He did not confess to anything but burying the body. When he used ML's card to buy all the supplies where CSL think he got that money? They were not rich. I know exactly what I can spend on any week. We live paycheck to paycheck as to most people and all this extra money floating around I would think he would have to explain. Even if he painted, cleaned up and built the BBQ right before X-mas wouldn't she wonder where he got the money. More reasons why I think CSL is in this up to her errmmmm....eyeballs. JMO

[nuttintodo]

For those interested, RS has answered some more questions at Off the Cuff.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by baywench


Boy that word "Proof" was chilling to me. He is either the dumbest SOB criminal in the world or he and CSL have cooked up a scheme that LE will have problems knowing which one or both did the murder.

2. (incoming random thought because I am reconciling my checkbook) He did not confess to anything but burying the body. When he used ML's card to buy all the supplies where CSL think he got that money? They were not rich. I know exactly what I can spend on any week. We live paycheck to paycheck as to most people and all this extra money floating around I would think he would have to explain. Even if he painted, cleaned up and built the BBQ right before X-mas wouldn't she wonder where he got the money. More reasons why I think CSL is in this up to her errmmmm....eyeballs. JMO [/*]
Maybe that's all she wanted for Christmas was for him to spend money at Lowe's buying paint, shovels, concrete blocks and a big old bonfire party in the back yard!! (Just kidding, of course :D ) Seriously, I know what you mean, especially at that time of the year it would seem any extra money should be spent on the 'holidays' and gifts.

[Kim]

I bet the diary is what is going to be sealed IMO from what sutherland mentioned when answering the questions.Again that is my opinion.
I also dissagree CSL was not propped up LOL
thats my opinion in case anyone cares LOL

[nuttintodo]

RS says the positive information they got the night before CSL came in with the note, was a reported sighting of Maria. The information turned out to be incorrect as to the date of the sighting.

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=66#comment-776

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
For those interested, RS has answered some more questions at Off the Cuff. [/*] Darn, he wouldn't answer the question about Maria seeing another man other than CL:cuss:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
RS says the positive information they got the night before CSL came in with the note, was a reported sighting of Maria. The information turned out to be incorrect as to the date of the sighting.

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=66#comment-776 [/*]
Thanks so much nuttin for letting us know there was an update! It's really appreciated that the Capt. takes the time to answer questions on the case.

[Kim]

help me out here.He was obviously buying paint and supplies right after the murder right?
how many neighbors said CSL said "they" were painting was it just one? and can we exclude their information regarding that?
If their were signs of a struggle when LE arrived ( 2mo? )
later I woudl assume it would be blood spatter right.Afterall if the furniture had been knocked around someone would have cleaned it up by then.Yet traces of blod stain may be visible to LE So my question is: how do they know the painting was already started?

I also recognize they havent talked to all the parties involved so indeed charges could be filed on CSL once they talk to CL. Takes more than one to make this story indeed.

MO also.........

[Kim]

Originally posted by Mitzy2
Darn, he wouldn't answer the question about Maria seeing another man other than CL:cuss: [/*]
was that on the round 2 of questions or round 3? heck he may do both in one day! wishful thinking of course

[Kim]

Originally posted by sunstar

Thanks so much nuttin for letting us know there was an update! It's really appreciated that the Capt. takes the time to answer questions on the case. [/*]
yes thank you! :beer:

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by Kim

was that on the round 2 of questions or round 3? heck he may do both in one day! wishful thinking of course [/*] It was round two, the ones just released "Cassi " asked if there was another man in Maria's life.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
RS says the positive information they got the night before CSL came in with the note, was a reported sighting of Maria. The information turned out to be incorrect as to the date of the sighting.

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=66#comment-776 [/*]

Can you say "about face"? Regarding the burning that is.

Oh, and I'm not getting the Christina is totally innocent either. (Not that I ever did, but he seems to have backed off PC statements IMO).

Thanks for letting us know nuttin! I mean, thanks to you nuttin for letting us know.....

[Kim]

Originally posted by Mitzy2
It was round two, the ones just released "Cassi " asked if there was another man in Maria's life. [/*]:eek:

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Can you say "about face"? Regarding the burning that is.

Oh, and I'm not getting the Christina is totally innocent either. (Not that I ever did, but he seems to have backed off PC statements IMO).

Thanks for letting us know nuttin! I mean, thanks to you nuttin for letting us know..... [/*]:lol:

[Ionmhainn]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
RS says the positive information they got the night before CSL came in with the note, was a reported sighting of Maria. The information turned out to be incorrect as to the date of the sighting.

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=66#comment-776 [/*]

Thanks for that, nuttintodo...I always like it when we can lay something to rest. No wonder SB was so hopeful about a positive outcome....

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Can you say "about face"? Regarding the burning that is.

Oh, and I'm not getting the Christina is totally innocent either. (Not that I ever did, but he seems to have backed off PC statements IMO).

Thanks for letting us know nuttin! I mean, thanks to you nuttin for letting us know..... [/*]

Well, at least we know now (or at least in RS's opnion) that the burning was done to destroy the evidence. To me, that makes a lot more sense anyway.

jmo

[CanCan]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


snip

Thanks for letting us know nuttin! I mean, thanks to you nuttin for letting us know..... [/*]

LMAO!

[CanCan]

:rolleyes: Oh my gosh. How many hours have we spent haggling over the "intended to burn vs burn to disguise the grave" issue. I know I spent a good amount of time myself just yesterday poring over the links and old posts searching for RS's quote on the matter.

Well, at least now we know definitively = intended to burn to destroy the evidence it is.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by CanCan
:rolleyes: Oh my gosh. How many hours have we spent haggling over the "intended to burn vs burn to disguise the grave" issue. I know I spent a good amount of time myself just yesterday poring over the links and old posts searching for RS's quote on the matter.

Well, at least now we know definitively = intended to burn to destroy the evidence it is. [/*]

Well he did originally say that he didn't think the burning of the bodies was intentional.

Most of us heard it and talked about it when he said it.

'Cause to me, intentional burning of the bodies is burning them before they are buried or covered (or not burying them at all after they are burned). Not covering them first and hoping to destroy evidence with a couple of bonfires.

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Can you say "about face"? Regarding the burning that is.

Oh, and I'm not getting the Christina is totally innocent either. (Not that I ever did, but he seems to have backed off PC statements IMO).

Thanks for letting us know nuttin! I mean, thanks to you nuttin for letting us know..... [/*]

Yep, sounds to be now re-writing history and attempting to correct things he shouldn't have said.

I didn't find his answer on her seeing the evidence in her own home very convincing. So is he saying because his wife may not have noticed therefore CSL didn't? He talks all about LE and what they would know.......... well LE went in there almost a month later when everything had either been cleaned up or attempted to be and they even had to use luminol......but that has nothing to do with what could be seen within a couple of hours after it was supposed to have happened.:rolleyes:

imoo

[nuttintodo]

FWIW, I heard that said too.

But until evidence (LOL) can be found, we'll have to take him at his word.

And he may have misspoke when he originally said it. I don't know, I'm not him.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
FWIW, I heard that said too.

But until evidence (LOL) can be found, we'll have to take him at his word.

And he may have misspoke when he originally said it. I don't know, I'm not him. [/*]

You can better believe Paramore will file a subpoena for that full interview and will accuse him of changing his words later on in order to advance their case.

imoo

[caejde]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
FWIW, I heard that said too.

But until evidence (LOL) can be found, we'll have to take him at his word.

And he may have misspoke when he originally said it. I don't know, I'm not him. [/*]

If he misspoke, I understand...it happens...noone's perfect. But it's the very fact that so many of us heard it that I know I'm not making crap up...and for anyone to suggest otherwise is ludicrous. I am not one to start rumors or to say stuff just to do it. I spent a long time yesterday looking for a link or an article. But I do have a life and I can't spend my entire day looking for something to prove to someone.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Yep, sounds to be now re-writing history and attempting to correct things he shouldn't have said.

I didn't find his answer on her seeing the evidence in her own home very convincing. So is he saying because his wife may not have noticed therefore CSL didn't? He talks all about LE and what they would know.......... well LE went in there almost a month later when everything had either been cleaned up or attempted to be and they even had to use luminol......but that has nothing to do with what could be seen within a couple of hours after it was supposed to have happened.:rolleyes:

imoo [/*]
I didn't see the connection with comparing what his wife would see and what Mrs. CL would've seen either. Mrs. CL was THERE right when it happened, not going in there a month afterward after someone tried to clean up the crime scene. Not only had some areas been freshly painted but I'd imagine some bleach and other cleaners were used and they smell. And let's not forget about tieing the little dog in the front yard and what she could smell. ;)

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


You can better believe Paramore will file a subpoena for that full interview and will accuse him of changing his words later on in order to advance their case.

imoo [/*]
Oh I can imagine what the defense will do, and their mantra will probably be "where's the PROOF?"

[Kim]

Originally posted by caejde


If he misspoke, I understand...it happens...noone's perfect. But it's the very fact that so many of us heard it that I know I'm not making crap up...and for anyone to suggest otherwise is ludicrous. I am not one to start rumors or to say stuff just to do it. I spent a long time yesterday looking for a link or an article. But I do have a life and I can't spend my entire day looking for something to prove to someone. [/*]
You dont have to caejde.most of us here know we can trust you.You do not have any malisouse intent.And hey, ya know what?? Some peoples memories are better than others .A lot of people here with good memory!

[Ionmhainn]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


You can better believe Paramore will file a subpoena for that full interview and will accuse him of changing his words later on in order to advance their case.

imoo [/*]

I'm sure you're right, GB, but it's the only thing that makes sense to me. I'm trying to imagine what else a defense attorney could conjure up to try to explain the reason for the fires...?

[baywench]

Since it's kinda slow today...anyone but me think CSL's e-mails (under the close eye of LE) were what facilitated them finding him? I think that might make him a hostile witness to her. JMO

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Yep, sounds to be now re-writing history and attempting to correct things he shouldn't have said.

I didn't find his answer on her seeing the evidence in her own home very convincing. So is he saying because his wife may not have noticed therefore CSL didn't? He talks all about LE and what they would know.......... well LE went in there almost a month later when everything had either been cleaned up or attempted to be and they even had to use luminol......but that has nothing to do with what could be seen within a couple of hours after it was supposed to have happened.:rolleyes:

imoo [/*] yes, things were cleaned up and painted. Don't most peeps get up "close & personal" with their walls and ceilings when painting ( spackling, sanding, etc. etc) ?? That's really the time one is paying attention to every inch, not the day to day just walking in and out of a room.:seeya:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

Oh I can imagine what the defense will do, and their mantra will probably be "where's the PROOF?" [/*]

It still makes no sense to me. If his intentions were to burn the evidence up then what if no accelerants were found? He could have easily have doused her body with gasoline and her body would have burned up and her clothing, the baby outfit and plastic bag would surely have burned up too. The very fact that she was not burned up and the plastic bag still remained and also the baby outfit had a readable tag size on it doesn't show me that he had an intent to burn the evidence up.:shrug:

He had almost a month to burn the evidence up yet when Maria was recovered she weighed 95 pounds even after the charring and advance decomposition.

imoo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by baywench
Since it's kinda slow today...anyone but me think CSL's e-mails (under the close eye of LE) were what facilitated them finding him? I think that might make him a hostile witness to her. JMO [/*]
Maybe I'm not quite understanding your question but she wasn't cooperating with LE when she corresponded with CL via email from her sister's computer, meaning it seems they didn't request her to do that. And he himself sent one to Sheriff Brown so he was setting himself up to get caught, imo.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
For those interested, RS has answered some more questions at Off the Cuff. [/*]

Can you post the link when you refer to it, specific page? I have Off the Cuff in my Favorites but there are so many parts to it.....I don't see RS answers.

TIA.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


It still makes no sense to me. If his intentions were to burn the evidence up then what if no accelerants were found? He could have easily have doused her body with gasoline and her body would have burned up and her clothing, the baby outfit and plastic bag would surely have burned up too. The very fact that she was not burned up and the plastic bag still remained and also the baby outfit had a readable tag size on it doesn't show me that he had an intent to burn the evidence up.:shrug:

He had almost a month to burn the evidence up yet when Maria was recovered she weighed 95 pounds even after the charring and advance decomposition.

imoo [/*]
Exactly! It seems there could've been more done to completely destroy the remains, and them finding the baby clothes in a plastic bag along with clothes remaining on her upper body tells me the fire wasn't hot enough or over the entire grave.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


You can better believe Paramore will file a subpoena for that full interview and will accuse him of changing his words later on in order to advance their case.

imoo [/*]

I know and most likely Wally will. He's a darned good attorney and won't leave any stone unturned.

I do know the comment was made as I heard it with my own two ears, but RS has asked for a source. Until a source can be found, we'll have to take him at his word. No consolation but that's all we can do until it's found.

IA with caejde, she didn't make it up as there were several of us here who heard him say the same thing. I've searched and searched and can't find exactly where he said it. I know you heard him say it too Ocean, because when he did you and I were like huh, what did he just say.

jmoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Mitzy2
yes, things were cleaned up and painted. Don't most peeps get up "close & personal" with their walls and ceilings when painting ( spackling, sanding, etc. etc) ?? That's really the time one is paying attention to every inch, not the day to day just walking in and out of a room.:seeya: [/*]

Hi Mitzy!

Well that is not the way it is in my house. lol In a day to day routine I am just as observant. If stuff was splattered on any of my walls (yuck) be it the inside of my home or the garage I would see it and inspect it and want to know what the heck it is. I can even come in and if my hubby has moved something.......I know it. lol

I guess Christina wore thick dark rose colored glasses.

imoo:seeya:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Can you post the link when you refer to it, specific page? I have Off the Cuff in my Favorites but there are so many parts to it.....I don't see RS answers.

TIA. [/*]

Bumping my own post......I found it myself. I am more convinced than ever Christina had no part in this whatsoever, the crime OR the cover-up. To me, RS is very, very clear on that.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I know and most likely Wally will. He's a darned good attorney and won't leave any stone unturned.

I do know the comment was made as I heard it with my own two ears, but RS has asked for a source. Until a source can be found, we'll have to take him at his word. No consolation but that's all we can do until it's found.

IA with caejde, she didn't make it up as there were several of us here who heard him say the same thing. I've searched and searched and can't find exactly where he said it. I know you heard him say it too Ocean, because when he did you and I were like huh, what did he just say.

jmoo [/*]

Hey sweet Lady!

Is the full video of that show available on GretaWire or has it been shortened to a snip or two.

Oh did you know that you are going to have a slumber party later on even though we haven't told you about it yet?:biggrin:

imoo

[Ionmhainn]

Originally posted by sunstar

Exactly! It seems there could've been more done to completely destroy the remains, and them finding the baby clothes in a plastic bag along with clothes remaining on her upper body tells me the fire wasn't hot enough or over the entire grave. [/*]

But, sunstar...would CL know that? I have a head full of trivia, but how to reduce a body to ashes isn't in there...probably not in the USMC manual either! If he was only trying to "disguise" the grave, one fire would have sufficed, surely?

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Can you post the link when you refer to it, specific page? I have Off the Cuff in my Favorites but there are so many parts to it.....I don't see RS answers.

TIA. [/*]

here ya go. his answers are 8 or 10 posts from the end (very long post):

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=66#comments

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

Exactly! It seems there could've been more done to completely destroy the remains, and them finding the baby clothes in a plastic bag along with clothes remaining on her upper body tells me the fire wasn't hot enough or over the entire grave. [/*]

I think LE is regrouping and realize that they need for the burning to be intentional to incite the jury.

Work in progress imo and changing as needed to get better odds. I think now they have realized they need it to be "intentional" because Captain Sutherland sure said the opposite on Greta.

imoo

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Hi Mitzy!

Well that is not the way it is in my house. lol In a day to day routine I am just as observant. If stuff was splattered on any of my walls (yuck) be it the inside of my home or the garage I would see it and inspect it and want to know what the heck it is. I can even come in and if my hubby has moved something.......I know it. lol

I guess Christina wore thick dark rose colored glasses.

imoo:seeya: [/*] Well , that used to be the case in my house when it was just me & hubby .Now kids in and out spilling things on the walls ( seems like Coke makes it way out of a can alot) I still look at my walls occasionally though & go " WTH" is that !!:lol:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Ionmhainn


But, sunstar...would CL know that? I have a head full of trivia, but how to reduce a body to ashes isn't in there...probably not in the USMC manual either! If he was only trying to "disguise" the grave, one fire would have sufficed, surely? [/*]
I don't know how many bonfires or campfires for that matter that CL has lit, but it seems if he really wanted to destroy everything he could've done a better job. He certainly had the time for several fires. :shrug:

[Kim]

Originally posted by sunstar

I don't know how many bonfires or campfires for that matter that CL has lit, but it seems if he really wanted to destroy everything he could've done a better job. He certainly had the time for several fires. :shrug: [/*]
Yeah I thought the same thing.I have a firepit and if I burn constantly all weekend even the stuff that wouldnt burn disinigrates to pure fine ashes.Mind you I have never burnt a body but you get what I am saying.Seems he would have done a continual burn with some heavy accelerants.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Hey sweet Lady!

Is the full video of that show available on GretaWire or has it been shortened to a snip or two.

Oh did you know that you are going to have a slumber party later on even though we haven't told you about it yet?:biggrin:

imoo [/*]

Yes, the video has been snipped down to 9:22. The entire interview(s)/crime scene pictures/Dr. Baden/Mark Fuhrman is 47 minutes long, which includes commercials, a news break and show plugs.

A little birdy told me that I was having a huge slumber party in the future. Come on down!

imoo

[baywench]

Originally posted by sunstar

Maybe I'm not quite understanding your question but she wasn't cooperating with LE when she corresponded with CL via email from her sister's computer, meaning it seems they didn't request her to do that. And he himself sent one to Sheriff Brown so he was setting himself up to get caught, imo. [/*]


Right, but they confiscated the computer two weeks before and discovered she had been e-mailing him. I think at that point they had her continue e-mailing him while they monitored it. IIRC the e-mail to SB gave them the general vicinity, but I could certainly be wrong on that.

[Ionmhainn]

Originally posted by sunstar

I don't know how many bonfires or campfires for that matter that CL has lit, but it seems if he really wanted to destroy everything he could've done a better job. He certainly had the time for several fires. :shrug: [/*]

Thanks for the reply! I agree he had the time, but how many exuses for parties in the middle of winter? He may not have wanted to draw any attention to himself after Maria's disappearance was common knowledge. I don't know...just trading thoughts here...

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by Ionmhainn


Thanks for the reply! I agree he had the time, but how many exuses for parties in the middle of winter? He may not have wanted to draw any attention to himself after Maria's disappearance was common knowledge. I don't know...just trading thoughts here... [/*] My thoughts are CL just isn't the sharpest tool in the drawer. Afterall, he drives Maria's car to diff locations to hide giving the appearance she had left on a bus, then he goes and uses her ATM in Jax. alerting bank/ LE monitoring her account. He obviously didn't watch many crime shows. JMO

[sunstar]

Originally posted by baywench



Right, but they confiscated the computer two weeks before and discovered she had been e-mailing him. I think at that point they had her continue e-mailing him while they monitored it. IIRC the e-mail to SB gave them the general vicinity, but I could certainly be wrong on that. [/*]
Oh I understand what you mean now. Maybe he sensed that something went wrong on her end if she couldn't communicate with him after the seizure (or did she?), and that led him to email SB directly? Maybe he knew it was soon to be over for him, or thought she had given him up? I'm not quite sold on her cooperating.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Ionmhainn


Thanks for the reply! I agree he had the time, but how many exuses for parties in the middle of winter? He may not have wanted to draw any attention to himself after Maria's disappearance was common knowledge. I don't know...just trading thoughts here... [/*]
You're right about that and not many trees to trim for an "excuse". After all, he did have the fence in there already.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Mitzy2
My thoughts are CL just isn't the sharpest tool in the drawer. Afterall, he drives Maria's car to diff locations to hide giving the appearance she had left on a bus, then he goes and uses her ATM in Jax. alerting bank/ LE monitoring her account. He obviously didn't watch many crime shows. JMO [/*]
I agree, he belongs in the stupid criminal category. Why would he have to withdraw more money from her bank so many days afterward when the leftover cash (after buying the bus ticket) she had from her withdrawl on 12/14 would've paid for the paint and stuff. What happened to that money? And why take the risk when every bank/ATM has cameras? :eek:

[IvySterling]

Just now catching up and after reading over at OTC all I can say is I'm very disappointed in RS saying he never said what he did to GVS regarding what he thought about burning/burial of Maria. Misspeak, or Selective Recall???

What he thinks NOW, is certainly NOT what he thought back a few months ago when he said he thought Maria was placed in the pit, covered with dirt, and that the fire pit was to cover/disguise the area that had been dug up.

NOTE: Did ya all notice the 'teaser' Timmi put in about Maria's biological parents :rolleyes:

[baywench]

Originally posted by sunstar

Oh I understand what you mean now. Maybe he sensed that something went wrong on her end if she couldn't communicate with him after the seizure (or did she?), and that led him to email SB directly? Maybe he knew it was soon to be over for him, or thought she had given him up? I'm not quite sold on her cooperating. [/*]

I hope there's not big heaping of crow in my future:D I bet RS is beating his head against a wall over people like me that don't believe she wasn't involved no matter how many times he says it! My husband can probably relate to him....he has permanent head bashing scars!

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by sunstar

I agree, he belongs in the stupid criminal category. Why would he have to withdraw more money from her bank so many days afterward when the leftover cash (after buying the bus ticket) she had from her withdrawl on 12/14 would've paid for the paint and stuff. What happened to that money? And why take the risk when every bank/ATM has cameras? :eek: [/*] CL is certainly on my top ten list of "The Stupidest Criminals". In addition, who tears down sections their privacy/ security fence w/o replacing, when they have a dog and a pool. Here, it is against the law to have a pool without a 6 ft. fenced enclosure and locked gate. I could go on and on. JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by baywench


I hope there's not big heaping of crow in my future:D I bet RS is beating his head against a wall over people like me that don't believe she wasn't involved no matter how many times he says it! My husband can probably relate to him....he has permanent head bashing scars! [/*]

I think crow in a rich thick gravy may not be all that bad.:D

Yep, he keeps trying.........most keep rejecting it.

Thank goodness on this case hubby and I aren't at odds. He thinks CSL did it. He said that early on and won't budge. Since I too think that is a very strong possibility we mesh on this case.

imoo

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by baywench
Since it's kinda slow today...anyone but me think CSL's e-mails (under the close eye of LE) were what facilitated them finding him? I think that might make him a hostile witness to her. JMO [/*]

No, they would have found him in February if that were the case. I think they probably were advised by computer forensics that all of the IP numbers were coming from the same location and there was probably a pattern to them which enabled them to locate him more easily.

I'm not buying Cesar just happening to remember Amber's email address either; and if his myspace was shut down and none of us saw where it had been accessed since 1/5 (IIRC), I'm not buying that he just happened to know or remember her myspace page address.

How were they corresponding from 1/11 to February? Disposable cell phones? Minutes ran out?

But I'm one who happens to have the opinion that they were corresponding the entire time, not just 'cause Cesar got lonesome for Christina all of a sudden.

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Mitzy2
CL is certainly on my top ten list of "The Stupidest Criminals". In addition, who tears down sections their privacy/ security fence w/o replacing, when they have a dog and a pool. Here, it is against the law to have a pool without a 6 ft. fenced enclosure and locked gate. I could go on and on. JMO [/*]

Don't hold me to this but I thought I read somewhere yesterday that part of their fencing was down on the ground due to it rotting and falling off the frame.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Yes, the video has been snipped down to 9:22. The entire interview(s)/crime scene pictures/Dr. Baden/Mark Fuhrman is 47 minutes long, which includes commercials, a news break and show plugs.

A little birdy told me that I was having a huge slumber party in the future. Come on down!

imoo [/*]

Oh sheesh. I expected that.:( Darn it.

imoo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by baywench


I hope there's not big heaping of crow in my future:D I bet RS is beating his head against a wall over people like me that don't believe she wasn't involved no matter how many times he says it! My husband can probably relate to him....he has permanent head bashing scars! [/*]
Well, we'll be eating it together then! :D I read his explanation and have heard it before, that someone not in LE and not trained could've missed it, but I notice everything amiss in my house! The photos of their living room, for example, it looked cluttered but not dirty and same with the garage. And like I said, if chemicals were used to clean up before the paint, they smell! MOO :)

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Mitzy2
CL is certainly on my top ten list of "The Stupidest Criminals". In addition, who tears down sections their privacy/ security fence w/o replacing, when they have a dog and a pool. Here, it is against the law to have a pool without a 6 ft. fenced enclosure and locked gate. I could go on and on. JMO [/*]
I thought that about the pool too, but apparently there isn't any law there, and it is above ground. But I agree, even if the fence had fallen down, most people would replace it as soon as possible, for "privacy".

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by sunstar

I thought that about the pool too, but apparently there isn't any law there, and it is above ground. But I agree, even if the fence had fallen down, most people would replace it as soon as possible, for "privacy". [/*]

It is a city ordinance for Jacksonville. Residents in Onslow County probably have the same ordinance, as does most of NC. Pools over 18 inches in depth are required to have a fence.

http://www.municode.com/resources/gateway.asp?pid=10534&sid=33

If it doesn't go straight to "Outdoor Pools", just type "pools" in the search. It's section 14-21.

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Don't hold me to this but I thought I read somewhere yesterday that part of their fencing was down on the ground due to it rotting and falling off the frame.

imoo [/*] Do you mean before 12-14 ??????

[sunstar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


It is a city ordinance for Jacksonville. Residents in Onslow County probably have the same ordinance, as does most of NC. Pools over 18 inches in depth are required to have a fence.

http://www.municode.com/resources/gateway.asp?pid=10534&sid=33

If it doesn't go straight to "Outdoor Pools", just type "pools" in the search. It's section 14-21. [/*]
Thank you! :) I thought it was pretty much standard for all communities now with so many children drowning, as well for property insurance.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Don't hold me to this but I thought I read somewhere yesterday that part of their fencing was down on the ground due to it rotting and falling off the frame.

imoo [/*]
The fence along the former Alander residence looks like it's falling apart, AND there's a pool in the former Alander yard also!
http://i28.tinypic.com/2rcssb5.jpg

[sunstar]

Originally posted by IvySterling

The fence along the former Alander residence looks like it's falling apart, AND there's a pool in the former Alander yard also!
http://i28.tinypic.com/2rcssb5.jpg [/*]
Well it is being sold "as is"! :D

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Mitzy2
Do you mean before 12-14 ?????? [/*]

Yes, I think so.

From what I recall from reading yesterday........ the backyard when all this happened had some dilapidated, rotten fence sections still on the ground where it had fallen of the fence frame.

imoo

[gaelicpeas]

I thought somebody who had driven by there recently said yesterday that more sections of fence had fallen down since January.

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by IvySterling

The fence along the former Alander residence looks like it's falling apart, AND there's a pool in the former Alander yard also!
http://i28.tinypic.com/2rcssb5.jpg [/*]

Wow that fence is in bad shape and the homes and fencing for both properties were probably done around the same time. It sure looks dried out and aged like it is hanging on by a thread. A good wind would rip that board right off imo.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
I thought somebody who had driven by there recently said yesterday that more sections of fence had fallen down since January.

jmo [/*]

That may be it Gaelic. I think it was in terrible shape.

Hope you are doing better.

imo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


That may be it Gaelic. I think it was in terrible shape.

Hope you are doing better.

imo [/*]

thanks, Gentle.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Yes, I think so.

From what I recall from reading yesterday........ the backyard when all this happened had some dilapidated, rotten fence sections still on the ground where it had fallen of the fence frame.

imoo [/*]
You can see one portion on the ground to the LEFT of the house where arrow is
http://i26.tinypic.com/ngwq5c.jpg

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Klukie


What he said was he doesn't believe that he ever said that. He asked for a source. He said if he had said that, he misspoke. He said the burning was intentional to destroy evidence.

I read that as he hasn't said he misspoke and wants a source.

jmo:shrug: [/*]
Kinda hard to "source" it when most of the videos are either gone, or edited :cuss:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


It is a city ordinance for Jacksonville. Residents in Onslow County probably have the same ordinance, as does most of NC. Pools over 18 inches in depth are required to have a fence.

http://www.municode.com/resources/gateway.asp?pid=10534&sid=33

If it doesn't go straight to "Outdoor Pools", just type "pools" in the search. It's section 14-21. [/*]

Onslow County follows the state guidelines for home owner private pools. So no requirement on the fence/locking gate (unless the state has changed it since January 1, 2008).

Meadow Trail isn't within the city limits of Jacksonville, but the majority of insurance companies writing homeowner policies require the fence, etc. because the pool is considered a liability. (I can't think of the exact term)

[nuttintodo]

There may have been a pool in the backyard of the residence formerly occupied by the Alander's and Menard, but it's been gone for quite a while.

It wasn't there when MW and I went by (we went at separate times).

[sunstar]

Originally posted by IvySterling

You can see one portion on the ground to the LEFT of the house where arrow is
http://i26.tinypic.com/ngwq5c.jpg [/*]
That's a great photo! The pool looks as bad as the fence, imo. In fact the whole place looks bad! :eek:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
There may have been a pool in the backyard of the residence formerly occupied by the Alander's and Menard, but it's been gone for quite a while.

It wasn't there when MW and I went by (we went at separate times). [/*]
It was there during the investigation.. you can see it here.
http://i27.tinypic.com/311qf77.jpg
Here's another one that's blurry
http://i32.tinypic.com/3450g1u.jpg

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by IvySterling

It was there during the investigation.. you can see it here.
http://i27.tinypic.com/311qf77.jpg
Here's another one that's blurry
http://i32.tinypic.com/3450g1u.jpg [/*]

ETA: The pool was probably dismantled and hauled away prior to putting it up for sale/auction :shrug:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

It was there during the investigation.. you can see it here.
http://i27.tinypic.com/311qf77.jpg
Here's another one that's blurry
http://i32.tinypic.com/3450g1u.jpg [/*]

I knew it was there during the investigation. The Alander's have been out of the house for a while (end of January to the beginning of February, I think).

[CanCan]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Hey sweet Lady!

Is the full video of that show available on GretaWire or has it been shortened to a snip or two.

Oh did you know that you are going to have a slumber party later on even though we haven't told you about it yet?:biggrin:

imoo [/*]

I looked for the Greta video last night but it's gone. The closest I could come to a link was a post from you, GentleBreeze, on the 23 of Jan. (page 8 maybe?? or 6??) IIRC, saying that you heard RS say that about the burning on Greta.

jmo

[CanCan]

Originally posted by baywench


I hope there's not big heaping of crow in my future:D I bet RS is beating his head against a wall over people like me that don't believe she wasn't involved no matter how many times he says it! My husband can probably relate to him....he has permanent head bashing scars! [/*]

I've got my knife and fork ready, too, just in case - cuz I don't believe she wasn't involved either----I don't care what RS says.

To him I reply, "Susan Smith."

jmo

[baywench]

Originally posted by CanCan


I've got my knife and fork ready, too, just in case - cuz I don't believe she wasn't involved either----I don't care what RS says.

To him I reply, "Susan Smith."

jmo [/*]

Whew! Even bad food is better tolerated with friends!!!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by CanCan


I looked for the Greta video last night but it's gone. The closest I could come to a link was a post from you, GentleBreeze, on the 23 of Jan. (page 8 maybe?? or 6??) IIRC, saying that you heard RS say that about the burning on Greta.

jmo [/*]

Yes I remember Nuttin and I discussing it the night it came out. We both were watching and heard it but many other posters heard the same thing.

I was shocked that is why it stuck with me. We were all on pins and needles remember waiting for this show?........knowing that evidence was supposed to have been found (of course on Greta's teaser she tried to make it sound like her crew had found it when SB is the one that spotted the shoe.)

Now all she has is a snippet of the interview. I think Nuttin says it is a little over 9 minutes when the entire interview was 48 minutes plus the commercials.

imoo

:seeya:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by CanCan


I've got my knife and fork ready, too, just in case - cuz I don't believe she wasn't involved either----I don't care what RS says.

To him I reply, "Susan Smith."

jmo [/*]

Oh yah....you know more than he does. :tongue: RS, being there and privy to EVERYTHING is pretty dumb. But you're posting here on IS boards. You're smarter and know more. :D

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Onslow County follows the state guidelines for home owner private pools. So no requirement on the fence/locking gate (unless the state has changed it since January 1, 2008).

Meadow Trail isn't within the city limits of Jacksonville, but the majority of insurance companies writing homeowner policies require the fence, etc. because the pool is considered a liability. (I can't think of the exact term) [/*] Legal term "Attractive Nusance"

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Yes I remember Nuttin and I discussing it the night it came out. We both were watching and heard it but many other posters heard the same thing.

I was shocked that is why it stuck with me. We were all on pins and needles remember waiting for this show?........knowing that evidence was supposed to have been found (of course on Greta's teaser she tried to make it sound like her crew had found it when SB is the one that spotted the shoe.)

Now all she has is a snippet of the interview. I think Nuttin says it is a little over 9 minutes when the entire interview was 48 minutes plus the commercials.

imoo

:seeya: [/*]

Yes, the only portion available online is a little over 9 minutes. I dang sure can't link my tv to the board, LOL.

Also on her show that night she interviewed Wanda and Malo. Remember that's when Wanda said CAL had left at 8:30am in his Marine outfit?!

I remember RS making the comment and I was like huh what did he just say.

Anyway if a source can't be found, we'll have to tuck that away in the 'I heard him say it but can't find a link' file.

jmoo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Mitzy2
Legal term "Attractive Nusance" [/*]

TYVM! I couldn't remember the exact term earlier.

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


TYVM! I couldn't remember the exact term earlier. [/*] YW, trampolines fall into the same catagory too.

[CanCan]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Yes I remember Nuttin and I discussing it the night it came out. We both were watching and heard it but many other posters heard the same thing.

I was shocked that is why it stuck with me. We were all on pins and needles remember waiting for this show?........knowing that evidence was supposed to have been found (of course on Greta's teaser she tried to make it sound like her crew had found it when SB is the one that spotted the shoe.)

Now all she has is a snippet of the interview. I think Nuttin says it is a little over 9 minutes when the entire interview was 48 minutes plus the commercials.

imoo

:seeya: [/*]

Exactly, GB. I watched the video and, as I said, the portion where RS speaks about the grave is now gone.

:seeya:

jmo

[CanCan]

Originally posted by baywench


Whew! Even bad food is better tolerated with friends!!! [/*]

:beer:

[IvySterling]

Nite all :seeya:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by IvySterling
Nite all :seeya: [/*]:seeya:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling
Nite all :seeya: [/*]

Nighters Ivy, sleep well! :seeya:

And with that, MW you and GPeas make sure you cut the lights off.

:seeya:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Nighters Ivy, sleep well! :seeya:

And with that, MW you and GPeas make sure you cut the lights off.

:seeya: [/*]

I gotta do everything...sheesh.:seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

g'night to all who are heading to bed...

[nelkirk]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Morning nuttin,

On Wednesday when I posted about the documents no one replied, think sometimes I'm on 'ignore' :(

I'm guessing one of the docs will include items taken from the Laurean home, dunno??? Another may be the complete item list taken from DD's home/shed.

I found it interesting LK chose to post the photo of 'Sharpshooters'. [/*]

No you are not on ignore...always read your posts...

[nelkirk]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I know and most likely Wally will. He's a darned good attorney and won't leave any stone unturned.

I do know the comment was made as I heard it with my own two ears, but RS has asked for a source. Until a source can be found, we'll have to take him at his word. No consolation but that's all we can do until it's found.

IA with caejde, she didn't make it up as there were several of us here who heard him say the same thing. I've searched and searched and can't find exactly where he said it. I know you heard him say it too Ocean, because when he did you and I were like huh, what did he just say.

jmoo [/*]

Add me to the list of those who heard CRS "misspeak"..

I went to the link I had for that and it has been "edited" And no I am not accusing anyone of anything...probably has something to do with archiving the video feeds

[nelkirk]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I think LE is regrouping and realize that they need for the burning to be intentional to incite the jury.

Work in progress imo and changing as needed to get better odds. I think now they have realized they need it to be "intentional" because Captain Sutherland sure said the opposite on Greta.

imoo [/*]

Interesting...

Inever ever watch Greta, I heard CRS mmisspeak at a presser with ED Brown...so he had to have misspoke the same thing at several different times

[nelkirk]

Originally posted by sunstar

Oh I understand what you mean now. Maybe he sensed that something went wrong on her end if she couldn't communicate with him after the seizure (or did she?), and that led him to email SB directly? Maybe he knew it was soon to be over for him, or thought she had given him up? I'm not quite sold on her cooperating. [/*]

I wonder if CL was trying to get CSL to contact SB for him and she it was not to her advantage to do so...so he made contact instead...JMO

[nelkirk]

Originally posted by sunstar

You're right about that and not many trees to trim for an "excuse". After all, he did have the fence in there already. [/*]

He could have burned the whole darn fence and told neighbors that he was going to put up a new one and excused the new fire pit as a way to control the fire danger since NC is in a drought...JMO

[nelkirk]

Originally posted by baywench


I hope there's not big heaping of crow in my future:D I bet RS is beating his head against a wall over people like me that don't believe she wasn't involved no matter how many times he says it! My husband can probably relate to him....he has permanent head bashing scars! [/*]

I can identify with this...my DH has now started forming his fingers in a sign of the cross to wawrd me off when I start discussing this case...I think he is getting a headache from all the head banging.

[nelkirk]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


No, they would have found him in February if that were the case. I think they probably were advised by computer forensics that all of the IP numbers were coming from the same location and there was probably a pattern to them which enabled them to locate him more easily.

I'm not buying Cesar just happening to remember Amber's email address either; and if his myspace was shut down and none of us saw where it had been accessed since 1/5 (IIRC), I'm not buying that he just happened to know or remember her myspace page address.

How were they corresponding from 1/11 to February? Disposable cell phones? Minutes ran out?

But I'm one who happens to have the opinion that they were corresponding the entire time, not just 'cause Cesar got lonesome for Christina all of a sudden.

JMO [/*]

And maybe he wanted to come home and asked her to contact SB so he could tell his side of the story...but that was not part of the plan...

[nelkirk]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


It is a city ordinance for Jacksonville. Residents in Onslow County probably have the same ordinance, as does most of NC. Pools over 18 inches in depth are required to have a fence.

http://www.municode.com/resources/gateway.asp?pid=10534&sid=33

If it doesn't go straight to "Outdoor Pools", just type "pools" in the search. It's section 14-21. [/*]

The lining of the above ground pool looked like it had come loose from the frame...wonder if they had emptied the pool...

[nelkirk]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Onslow County follows the state guidelines for home owner private pools. So no requirement on the fence/locking gate (unless the state has changed it since January 1, 2008).

Meadow Trail isn't within the city limits of Jacksonville, but the majority of insurance companies writing homeowner policies require the fence, etc. because the pool is considered a liability. (I can't think of the exact term) [/*]

Attractive Nuisance

[nelkirk]

Left the lights on, just like Motel Six..."We'll leave the light on for you"

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Mystical


Kay has stated that an excessive amount of accelerant was used by Laurean to set fire to Maria. So I seriously doubt there is any need for law enforcement to "regroup" and attempt to "incite" any jury.

Cesar Laurean is a cold blooded murderer who killed a very pregnant Maria Lauterbach, threw her in a hole and set fire to her in order to conceal evidence. The prosecutor will have no trouble proving that with the presence of an excessive amount of accelerant. IMO. [/*]

I missed that. Would you please direct me to where he specifically said that? Thanks.

I haven't read anything from Lindell that he has been told an excessive amount of accelerant was used by Laurean or if accelerants were used at all. I did however hear CS say they believed he meant to disguise where he had buried her by putting the fire pit there and I have now seen where he is saying HE may have misspoke which I find highly doubtful. He is a college graduate and I am sure he has mastered the English language just fine.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nelkirk


He could have burned the whole darn fence and told neighbors that he was going to put up a new one and excused the new fire pit as a way to control the fire danger since NC is in a drought...JMO [/*]

So nice to see you posting again, Nel. I sure wish you would post more often. I miss your thought provoking posts very much.

imo

[nuttintodo]

Ocean, I believe this is what Mystical is referring to: "Sheriff Ed Brown said he could see the fetus' hand - which he described as the size of his own thumb - with the fingers curled. He also said it appeared an excessive amount of accelerant was used to burn the two bodies.

This was being discussed at OTC and someone posted the link to the article there.

Also according to SB, the baby's arm wasn't cut off:

"One of the things that will probably stick with me for a long time, and forever, is that little hand, the way those fingers were turned, that had been burned off the arm," he said in a press conference Saturday afternoon. "That is bizarre. That is tragic. And it's disgusting."

Link to article: http://www.jdnews.com/news/lauterbach_54334___article.html/laurean_brown.html

Mornin'. It's a dreary rainy day around here. :seeya:

[cuppajoe]

Originally posted by Mystical


http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=66#comments

Check Kay's remarks on 4/20 at 2:34 am, the first paragraph and more importantly for you is further up in RS's remarks (4/19 at 4:40 p.m.) where he says very clearly he has always thought the burning was an intentional act to destroy evidence. [/*]

Finally that question can be put to rest.

:beer:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Ocean, I believe this is what Mystical is referring to: "Sheriff Ed Brown said he could see the fetus' hand - which he described as the size of his own thumb - with the fingers curled. He also said it appeared an excessive amount of accelerant was used to burn the two bodies.

This was being discussed at OTC and someone posted the link to the article there.

Also according to SB, the baby's arm wasn't cut off:

"One of the things that will probably stick with me for a long time, and forever, is that little hand, the way those fingers were turned, that had been burned off the arm," he said in a press conference Saturday afternoon. "That is bizarre. That is tragic. And it's disgusting."

Link to article: http://www.jdnews.com/news/lauterbach_54334___article.html/laurean_brown.html

Mornin'. It's a dreary rainy day around here. :seeya: [/*]

Morning Nuttin! Going to be 83 here today and all sunshine!

I thought there was some confirmation about the accelerants.

I had read the article that was posted on JDNs on 1-13-08 where Sheriff Brown said it "appeared" to be that accelerants were used. He made that statement way back on the day they found Maria.

I thought Lindell may have gotten recent confirmation from his LE sources that the actual tests have come back from the lab positively confirming that accelerants had been used. That was the confirmation I was looking for when I ask Mystical for a link.

I went back and looked to see if his inside sources have confirmed that the lab results did show accelerants but unless I missed it they have not confirmed the forensic test results to him.

I did see where Lindell also said he heard CS say the statements that are now in question.

imoo:seeya:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by cuppajoe


Finally that question can be put to rest.

:beer: [/*]

Thanks, but I think I'll wait until test results are known concerning accelerants.

Meanwhile, what do you think of LK's posting about Maria washing her car "all the time" at Durham's house? Didn't Durham infer or say that Maria was "bedridden"?

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=93#comment-861

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Thanks, but I think I'll wait until test results are known concerning accelerants.

Meanwhile, what do you think of LK's posting about Maria washing her car "all the time" at Durham's house? Didn't Durham infer or say that Maria was "bedridden"?

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=93#comment-861 [/*]

:eek: Oh my.........you are right...I hadn't even thought of that. Sounds like she was very energetic. I know when I was pregnant I had a real boost of energy and felt great after the morning sickness was over with.

imoo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Thanks, but I think I'll wait until test results are known concerning accelerants.

Meanwhile, what do you think of LK's posting about Maria washing her car "all the time" at Durham's house? Didn't Durham infer or say that Maria was "bedridden"?

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=93#comment-861 [/*]

Geez I missed that one...Now I'm off to :read: some more.

TY cryme.

[caejde]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Thanks, but I think I'll wait until test results are known concerning accelerants.

Meanwhile, what do you think of LK's posting about Maria washing her car "all the time" at Durham's house? Didn't Durham infer or say that Maria was "bedridden"?

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=93#comment-861 [/*]

I read that this morning and thought the same thing. A bedridden pregnant woman doesn't wash the car.

As for the accelerant...the sheriff made that comment the day the body was found. Now, the ME was bagging stuff up for it to be sent for testing. And as far as I know, nothing has been confirmed on the accelerant use. You'd think that if an excessive amount was used that there would have been less than 95 lbs left. Also, how did the plastic bag w/ baby clothes and the comforter survive with all the excessive accelerant? How come there were still some organs left--I would think that if an excessive amount was used there wouldn't be alot left. JMO though.

[caejde]

Originally posted by caejde


I read that this morning and thought the same thing. A bedridden pregnant woman doesn't wash the car.

As for the accelerant...the sheriff made that comment the day the body was found. Now, the ME was bagging stuff up for it to be sent for testing. And as far as I know, nothing has been confirmed on the accelerant use. You'd think that if an excessive amount was used that there would have been less than 95 lbs left. Also, how did the plastic bag w/ baby clothes and the comforter survive with all the excessive accelerant? How come there were still some organs left--I would think that if an excessive amount was used there wouldn't be alot left. JMO though. [/*]

Quoting my post so I can clarify. I think if any accelerant was used, it was used to start the fire above ground. I don't think Maria was doused in it.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by caejde


I read that this morning and thought the same thing. A bedridden pregnant woman doesn't wash the car.

As for the accelerant...the sheriff made that comment the day the body was found. Now, the ME was bagging stuff up for it to be sent for testing. And as far as I know, nothing has been confirmed on the accelerant use. You'd think that if an excessive amount was used that there would have been less than 95 lbs left. Also, how did the plastic bag w/ baby clothes and the comforter survive with all the excessive accelerant? How come there were still some organs left--I would think that if an excessive amount was used there wouldn't be alot left. JMO though. [/*]

That is how I see it too, caejde and we have to take into consideration also that after almost a month Maria had to be in an advance stage of decomposition which begins to breakdown the body mass. So factor that in and then saying that she was doused with accelerant just doesn't add up to me that she still weighed 95 pounds when recovered.

I do think it is possible that he may have used lighter fluid to start the wood burning for the bonfire on top of the ground.

imoo

[gaelicpeas]

I wonder if that fencing was treated wood? Maybe he used that because treated wood, to me, gives off an odor that would help mask. Or maybe he didn't even think about that and used what was handy!

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by caejde


Quoting my post so I can clarify. I think if any accelerant was used, it was used to start the fire above ground. I don't think Maria was doused in it. [/*]
ITA agree, doesn't take a Brain Surgeon to know if an accelerant had been on top of Maria the plastic bag with the baby item would have never survived!

[Lyn_T]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
I wonder if that fencing was treated wood? Maybe he used that because treated wood, to me, gives off an odor that would help mask. Or maybe he didn't even think about that and used what was handy! [/*]

Yes GP the fence was treated wood. When I was out there end of January you could see it was treated. Also in bad repair, or should I say needed repairing.

Also the mention of other boards laying down, they were all up in Jan except what was tore down by CL. Did appear though if you were to blow hard others may fall any minute, so the storms/wind etc in the recent past probably knocked the others down that folks were referring to.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Geez I missed that one...Now I'm off to :read: some more.

TY cryme. [/*]
Hmm, so a neighbor saw her washing her car frequently, and yet someone who lived right next door was unaware that she even lived there...........strange.

One of her immediate neighbors was unaware she had lived next door.

Marine Sgt. David Schonefeld said that while he knew of last week's events, he didn't realize it was his neighbor who was the missing Marine.

http://www.enctoday.com/articles/lauterbach_54424_jdn__article.html/home_neighbors.html

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Lyn_T


Yes GP the fence was treated wood. When I was out there end of January you could see it was treated. Also in bad repair, or should I say needed repairing.

Also the mention of other boards laying down, they were all up in Jan except what was tore down by CL. Did appear though if you were to blow hard others may fall any minute, so the storms/wind etc in the recent past probably knocked the others down that folks were referring to. [/*]

thanks, Lyn. It is great that we have all these people that can check out the local scene!

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by cuppajoe


Finally that question can be put to rest.

:beer: [/*]

I doubt it will be put to rest for everyone, but I was glad to read Sutherland's comment about it.

I also noticed he did made pointed comments about LE investigating rumors that show up on message boards when someone claims to 'know' something & how the 'information' turns out to not be true once LE questions the people making the claims. I thought it was pretty telling that he described the people in question having to "admit they are just running their mouths" when they are confronted by LE with what they have claimed. (no doubt of that, IMO)

I have sympathy for the position he is in - I'm sure there are any number of things which he could thoroughly debunk (or verify) if the case was further along in the process.

He makes no bones about not being Christina's PR man, about not having to 'prop her up' or 'protect' her or prepare her for testimony & how no one is exempt from being charged for fear that the case would be damaged.

All in all, an interesting read.

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Hmm, so a neighbor saw her washing her car frequently, and yet someone who lived right next door was unaware that she even lived there...........strange.

One of her immediate neighbors was unaware she had lived next door.

Marine Sgt. David Schonefeld said that while he knew of last week's events, he didn't realize it was his neighbor who was the missing Marine.

http://www.enctoday.com/articles/lauterbach_54424_jdn__article.html/home_neighbors.html [/*]

IMO, that's probably because there were no pictures released (that I'm aware of) that showed Maria when she was pregnant. High School pics, yes; Marine Dress photo, yes; bootcamp pics, yes. And some of those weren't released until much later.

How many of us didn't believe that was her at the ATM? I know most of us did, but if you were to put her ATM picture alongside the one of her with the long blonde hair in high school, I wouldn't have connected that they were the same person.

So.....all jmo and all that.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by nelkirk


I wonder if CL was trying to get CSL to contact SB for him and she it was not to her advantage to do so...so he made contact instead...JMO [/*]
Good afternoon :seeya: That could be a possibility. We'll probably never know the contents of the emails unless they're introduced at the trial.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by caejde


Quoting my post so I can clarify. I think if any accelerant was used, it was used to start the fire above ground. I don't think Maria was doused in it. [/*]
I agree with you. There wouldn't have been anything left of Maria if he'd used one, imo.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


IMO, that's probably because there were no pictures released (that I'm aware of) that showed Maria when she was pregnant. High School pics, yes; Marine Dress photo, yes; bootcamp pics, yes. And some of those weren't released until much later.

How many of us didn't believe that was her at the ATM? I know most of us did, but if you were to put her ATM picture alongside the one of her with the long blonde hair in high school, I wouldn't have connected that they were the same person.

So.....all jmo and all that. [/*]
Just my thoughts, but after reading this it saddens me that there probably weren't many (if any) pictures taken of Maria while she was pregnant, so unlike the one that comes to my mind of beautiful, smiling Laci proudly posing for the camera. :(

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Mimi428


I doubt it will be put to rest for everyone, but I was glad to read Sutherland's comment about it.

I also noticed he did made pointed comments about LE investigating rumors that show up on message boards when someone claims to 'know' something & how the 'information' turns out to not be true once LE questions the people making the claims. I thought it was pretty telling that he described the people in question having to "admit they are just running their mouths" when they are confronted by LE with what they have claimed. (no doubt of that, IMO)

I have sympathy for the position he is in - I'm sure there are any number of things which he could thoroughly debunk (or verify) if the case was further along in the process.

He makes no bones about not being Christina's PR man, about not having to 'prop her up' or 'protect' her or prepare her for testimony & how no one is exempt from being charged for fear that the case would be damaged.

All in all, an interesting read.

JMO [/*]

Yes, I am sure he was talking about some who have left comments on the JDNs site. Not necessarily Lindell's blog. There have been some I found were just making up stuff but some of them have been legitimate because Lindell has told us that he pursued what they said and verified it was true.

For instance the anonymous poster that came from right out of the blue and said that they lived close to Christina's sister and that they had seen their place raided and covered up with cop cars. Lindell had that checked out and found it to be true but the newspaper decided not to print it but Lindell did call LE and tell him he knew about it and would be releasing it at some time. Well that claim was true and done in the very same time line the poster said it happened. So while CS may try to scoff that some or doing this or that IMO he is paying very close attention to the next one that says they know something.

I found his other statement including about the key witness very common and very typical speak-isms of what most LE always say. I think CS knows and does his job very well and fully knows what is expected of him.

imoo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


IMO, that's probably because there were no pictures released (that I'm aware of) that showed Maria when she was pregnant. High School pics, yes; Marine Dress photo, yes; bootcamp pics, yes. And some of those weren't released until much later.

How many of us didn't believe that was her at the ATM? I know most of us did, but if you were to put her ATM picture alongside the one of her with the long blonde hair in high school, I wouldn't have connected that they were the same person.

So.....all jmo and all that. [/*]

Also take in account the neighborhood in which Dan Durham's home is located, there is a constant change-over with the tenants.

So I feel sure it would take a Mrs. Kravitz type of neighbor to keep up with all the comings and goings, along with a good spreadsheet. ;)

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Also take in account the neighborhood in which Dan Durham's home is located, there is a constant change-over with the tenants.

So I feel sure it would take a Mrs. Kravitz type of neighbor to keep up with all the comings and goings, along with a good spreadsheet. ;) [/*]

Did someone mention Wanda? Oh wait you said Mrs. Kravitz...sorry.:D

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Did someone mention Wanda? Oh wait you said Mrs. Kravitz...sorry.:D [/*]

:biggrin:


Oh my Wanda, Wanda, Wanda.... :D How cryme misses you.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by nuttintodo





Oh my Wanda, Wanda, Wanda.... :D How cryme misses you. [/*]

:(

She'll probably be the next to be reduced to a tiny pic url.

Here's to Wanda!

:beer:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Did someone mention Wanda? Oh wait you said Mrs. Kravitz...sorry.:D [/*]
And speaking of CL's nice neighbors, it's too bad they weren't more observant the afternoon and evening of Dec. 14 and could've given us the details of when Maria arrived, what went on and so forth. :)

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


:(

She'll probably be the next to be reduced to a tiny pic url.

Here's to Wanda!

:beer: [/*]

To Wanda!:beer:

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


:biggrin:


Oh my Wanda, Wanda, Wanda.... :D How cryme misses you. [/*]

I bet her new neighbors are all tickled pink.

They are probably pulling their shades down as we speak.:D

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Klukie


What was wrong with Wanda to get such fun made of her? I'm afraid I don't understand. [/*]

Oh lighten up K...

I actually liked Wanda although she sure does seem to be a nosy neighbor type. She seemed to be a little quirky but nothing wrong with that I guess.

imoo

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by sunstar

Just my thoughts, but after reading this it saddens me that there probably weren't many (if any) pictures taken of Maria while she was pregnant, so unlike the one that comes to my mind of beautiful, smiling Laci proudly posing for the camera. :( [/*]

Could be there were pics taken of Maria while pregnant but just haven't been publicized.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Hmm, so a neighbor saw her washing her car frequently, and yet someone who lived right next door was unaware that she even lived there...........strange.

One of her immediate neighbors was unaware she had lived next door.

Marine Sgt. David Schonefeld said that while he knew of last week's events, he didn't realize it was his neighbor who was the missing Marine.

http://www.enctoday.com/articles/lauterbach_54424_jdn__article.html/home_neighbors.html [/*]

Not sure I think it was necessarily strange. Could be the neighbor that saw her washing her car frequently didn't know her and had no idea who she was but AFTER the case became well known, recognized her and thought to herself, "Ah THAT'S the lady who was always out washing her car."

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Could be there were pics taken of Maria while pregnant but just haven't been publicized. [/*]
There certainly could be, but her mother never offered them up when everyone was looking for Maria.

Even in her mother's video interviews she never offered any CURRENT photos, or did she ever refer to the baby as her grandson, just "the baby"

[sunstar]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Could be there were pics taken of Maria while pregnant but just haven't been publicized. [/*]
You're right there could be but I'd think they would've been used when Maria was reported missing. :shrug:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

You're right there could be but I'd think they would've been used when Maria was reported missing. :shrug: [/*]

Right, you would think they would have given the most recent photo because in all honesty Maria looked very different in the Corps than in high school. I wouldn't have even recognized her as being the same person.

imoo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


:eek: I wonder what he did and this wasn't that long ago.:eek:

imoo [/*]
Dunno, maybe a repeat of one of his prior charges:
MANUFACTURE SCHEDULE VI (PRINCIPAL)

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
testing, testing... is the board back up? [/*]

LOL... it must be but why was it down?

[MoonFlwr]

Maybe Coldwater wanted us kids to 'go and play outside for a while'! ;)

Who knows!

Been catching up a bit and re-looking at photos. I can hardly get myself to look at any photos of CL's house - too chilling!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


LOL... it must be but why was it down? [/*]

all the forums were shut down for maintenance, I think.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


all the forums were shut down for maintenance, I think. [/*]
Yep, CW posted the notice and said it would be down until 7:00PM but ran a little later I noticed.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Right, you would think they would have given the most recent photo because in all honesty Maria looked very different in the Corps than in high school. I wouldn't have even recognized her as being the same person.

imoo [/*]
I agree. I had to really study the video from the ATM before I was convinced it was her. :)

[sunstar]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Yep, CW posted the notice and said it would be down until 7:00PM but ran a little later I noticed. [/*]
Well, it gave her and all of us a little dinner break! :)

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by sunstar

Well, it gave her and all of us a little dinner break! :) [/*]
It worked out well for me, got some things done I've been putting off :D

[GentleBreeze]

Well, yippee because of the time out I have more of my flowers planted.:D

Ok has anyone figured out who is suppose to go to Mexico tomorrow? Isn't that what Lindell said?

I forgot but did Lindell say he knows who it is?

imoo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
Well, yippee because of the time out I have more of my flowers planted.:D

Ok has anyone figured out who is suppose to go to Mexico tomorrow? Isn't that what Lindell said?

I forgot but did Lindell say he knows who it is?

imoo [/*]
I think it's probably the DA, but it's just my guess!

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
Well, yippee because of the time out I have more of my flowers planted.:D

Ok has anyone figured out who is suppose to go to Mexico tomorrow? Isn't that what Lindell said?

I forgot but did Lindell say he knows who it is?

imoo [/*]

I'm thinking more along the lines of Wally....but who knows, it could be any of the reporters at JDNews for all we know.

jmoo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I'm thinking more along the lines of Wally....but who knows, it could be any of the reporters at JDNews for all we know.

jmoo [/*]
I tend to agree with you about WP, unless he's already there :shrug:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I tend to agree with you about WP, unless he's already there :shrug: [/*]

We just might wake up to find Sherriff Brown in a sombrero on the front page of the JDNews. jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I'm thinking more along the lines of Wally....but who knows, it could be any of the reporters at JDNews for all we know.

jmoo [/*]

It may be. I cant think of a reason why he would go there though, isn't that unusual? I thought the State defense attorney will be there once he is returned.

Oh wait........I remember........

Come to think of it..........Joe T went to where Joran was, didn't he?

So it may be.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by marinewife5


We just might wake up to find Sherriff Brown in a sombrero on the front page of the JDNews. jmo [/*]

Now that would be cute.:D If he goes I bet he could charm anyone he talks to.......LOL

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Nuttin, give me a memory jog........did Lindell say he is going to write about who it is?

imoo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by marinewife5


We just might wake up to find Sherriff Brown in a sombrero on the front page of the JDNews. jmo [/*]
I'd like to see that! :D

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
Nuttin, give me a memory jog........did Lindell say he is going to write about who it is?

imoo [/*]
I ain't Nuttin, but he did say he would have more on that when he hammered out some stuff

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by sunstar

I'd like to see that! :D [/*]

If that happens, I'll be selling autographed copies! I do believe that SB will be the one to sit down with Cesar. He said he would listen to him, and he's a man of his word. jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by marinewife5

I ain't Nuttin, but he did say he would have more on that when he hammered out some stuff [/*]

Thanks.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Thanks. [/*]

I didn't mean for that icon to show...i'm not implying that he's beating the answers out of anyone LOL

[nuttintodo]

Now that would be a HOOT! Ed Brown wearing a sombrero... :D

It may even look like this one------->> :hat: or this one------->> :biggrin: .

[sunstar]

Originally posted by marinewife5


If that happens, I'll be selling autographed copies! I do believe that SB will be the one to sit down with Cesar. He said he would listen to him, and he's a man of his word. jmo [/*]
Now that I think about it, it was he who CL reached out to in the email. It seems CL wants to trust him, so he just might be the one to talk to CL. :)

[sunstar]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I didn't mean for that icon to show...i'm not implying that he's beating the answers out of anyone LOL [/*]
That happened to me the other day when I typed in the word. :D

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I didn't mean for that icon to show...i'm not implying that he's beating the answers out of anyone LOL [/*]

You have to type the word out as h a m m e r. :tongue:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


You have to type the word out as h a m m e r. :tongue: [/*]

I'm just learning all day long today!

I think that wally has already contacted CL. I'm sure he wanted to advise him asap. jmo

[VC2]

i Think this comment of RS bears repeating again and again. (along with his others saying their feeling no one but CL was involved including christina is due to their sum total of evidence larger than any one realizes)

I saw physical evidence in plain view because I have been trained as a forensic investigator. I also said that I know that my wife could have walked through the scene with me and not been aware that a homicide had been committed.
http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=66#comments

So much for a bloody crime scene that christina would have noticed. Also since the painting that had to do with the murder was done by CL alone - makes sense since it was only a roller brush stroke it looked like.

imo

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by VC2
i Think this comment of RS bears repeating again and again. (along with his others saying their feeling no one but CL was involved including christina is due to their sum total of evidence larger than any one realizes)


http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=66#comments

So much for a bloody crime scene that christina would have noticed. Also since the painting that had to do with the murder was done by CL alone - makes sense since it was only a roller brush stroke it looked like.

imo [/*]

He saw it January 11th, not December 14th. And they only way they could know that it was only CL who painted over the murder scene would be from Christina. JMO

[VC2]

Originally posted by marinewife5


He saw it January 11th, not December 14th. And they only way they could know that it was only CL who painted over the murder scene would be from Christina. JMO [/*]

since it was only a 1 foot rectangle of paint i don't think it would take two people in the first place! Secondly they can know because paint strokes are individual and forensics can analyze it.
Thirdly, he said more than one person did the other painting in the house and imo that could mean more than 2 people..probably a friend or two helped too, since its what i normally have happen when painting, which would answer the question of when the painting in the living room was done, and by whom. Also if it was just CL and Christina i suspect that would be the wording.

The big mistake in this whole thing is that people ignored SB's comments that luminol told them about the blood. Then they ignored the pictures of the garage showing only the little rectangle of paint. So yes painting was done, but it does not follow that it had to do with the time/place of the house painting.

I certainly believe that most wives would have had no idea after looking at the garage photos and i definitely believe RS and LE has far more info than we do.

The marines have been forbidden to talk about the case, so if a marine friend was over helping paint we would not know that. A blank wall and they all painted would tell LE definitively that it had nothing to do with covering the crime scene.

jmo

[VC2]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Bumping my own post......I found it myself. I am more convinced than ever Christina had no part in this whatsoever, the crime OR the cover-up. To me, RS is very, very clear on that. [/*]

I don't see how he can be anymore clear! He has said no, he has addressed the immunity, witness, protected, and everything else, he even scoffed at the guy who went to see if warrants were issued.

It is obvious to me that they know she was not involved and they know from many things other than just what she said.

IMO

[marinewife5]

So if it's DA Hudson, maybe he is going to file extradition paperwork and get that process moving a little faster (if he can). JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by VC2


since it was only a 1 foot rectangle of paint i don't think it would take two people in the first place! Secondly they can know because paint strokes are individual and forensics can analyze it.
Thirdly, he said more than one person did the other painting in the house and imo that could mean more than 2 people..probably a friend or two helped too, since its what i normally have happen when painting, which would answer the question of when the painting in the living room was done, and by whom. Also if it was just CL and Christina i suspect that would be the wording.

The big mistake in this whole thing is that people ignored SB's comments that luminol told them about the blood. Then they ignored the pictures of the garage showing only the little rectangle of paint. So yes painting was done, but it does not follow that it had to do with the time/place of the house painting.

I certainly believe that most wives would have had no idea after looking at the garage photos and i definitely believe RS and LE has far more info than we do.

The marines have been forbidden to talk about the case, so if a marine friend was over helping paint we would not know that. A blank wall and they all painted would tell LE definitively that it had nothing to do with covering the crime scene.

jmo [/*]

So you don't believe the neighbors that said Christina herself told them they were painting and plan to paint the garage after Christmas? Why would they lie about something so mundane?

Yes a month later it did take luminol to see the blood although CS said he could see evidence when he walked in but that has absolutely nothing to do with what could be seen within an hour or so of this crime occurring. To me it is nonsensical that Maria would return around 5:45 pm from buying the ticket and all of this was wrapped up and done with by the time CSL walked through that door around 7 pm which may have even been shortly before 7 and LE had just rounded the time off.

The garage photos were taken almost a month later. We have no idea what the garage looked like when this happened before all the painting, cleaning, discarding evidence and removal of the car. They certainly didn't have their dining room table and chairs in the garage when this happened. They pulled it out to paint the dining room that sits off from the living room imo. IMO it did not look like this on 12-14-07.

When CS said there was more than one painting imo it was Laurean and Christina.



imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by VC2


I don't see how he can be anymore clear! He has said no, he has addressed the immunity, witness, protected, and everything else, he even scoffed at the guy who went to see if warrants were issued.

It is obvious to me that they know she was not involved and they know from many things other than just what she said.

IMO [/*]

It is obvious to me that each time they are very, very specific.

"We believe she has no involvement in the HOMICIDE." (paraphrasing) There is more to this case besides the homicide imo.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by VC2
i Think this comment of RS bears repeating again and again. (along with his others saying their feeling no one but CL was involved including christina is due to their sum total of evidence larger than any one realizes)


http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=66#comments

So much for a bloody crime scene that christina would have noticed. Also since the painting that had to do with the murder was done by CL alone - makes sense since it was only a roller brush stroke it looked like.

imo [/*]

What are you talking about? CS and OCSD went in after the clean up had been attempted and had to use luminol to see most of the blood evidence. If Cristina had just returned home from a month long vacation on the 1-11-08 then she may not have seen it but as Sheriff Brown said she lived there with him the entire time so she was walking into her home within an hour or so of the murder/disposal of body/disposal of the evidence/disposal of vehicle/disposal of his bloody clothing/the clean up of garage flooring and blood on walls both inside garage and inside the home in one room/painting and him showering and redressing all in time to put on a big smile when his wife came through the door from HIS unit party.:shrug:

imo

[marinewife5]

Ms. Peas, you have a pm.

[nelkirk]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


:eek: Oh my.........you are right...I hadn't even thought of that. Sounds like she was very energetic. I know when I was pregnant I had a real boost of energy and felt great after the morning sickness was over with.

imoo [/*]

Wasn't there a little "whisper" from a possible "source" that said something about pre-eclampsia?

[nelkirk]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


So nice to see you posting again, Nel. I sure wish you would post more often. I miss your thought provoking posts very much.

imo [/*]

I haven't been around much, discovered I do have a life that sometimes needs my attention LOL.

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by VC2


since it was only a 1 foot rectangle of paint i don't think it would take two people in the first place! Secondly they can know because paint strokes are individual and forensics can analyze it.
Thirdly, he said more than one person did the other painting in the house and imo that could mean more than 2 people..probably a friend or two helped too, since its what i normally have happen when painting, which would answer the question of when the painting in the living room was done, and by whom. Also if it was just CL and Christina i suspect that would be the wording.

The big mistake in this whole thing is that people ignored SB's comments that luminol told them about the blood. Then they ignored the pictures of the garage showing only the little rectangle of paint. So yes painting was done, but it does not follow that it had to do with the time/place of the house painting.

I certainly believe that most wives would have had no idea after looking at the garage photos and i definitely believe RS and LE has far more info than we do.

The marines have been forbidden to talk about the case, so if a marine friend was over helping paint we would not know that. A blank wall and they all painted would tell LE definitively that it had nothing to do with covering the crime scene.

jmo [/*] :confused: Forenscics can ID an individual painter from the brush strokes on a wall , I don't think so . JMO

[Kim]

Originally posted by Mitzy2
:confused: Forenscics can ID an individual painter from the brush strokes on a wall , I don't think so . JMO [/*]
I seen a true crime show about trash bags used in a crime and they even had distinctive run marks created by the machine that made them they actually tracked the killer from dollar store trash bags.same as ballistics. bullets coming out of the chamber have distinctive marks on them made only by the firing from any particular gun.
When my husband and I paint the painting definitly varies.He loads diferent amount of paint into the brush or sponge as I do and different pressure and he is more uniform in coverage than I am we also stroke different dirrections tracking this down to even under 5 people wouldnt be hard to trace

[caejde]

Originally posted by Klukie



I would love to see some information on that. It is new to me and seems to be another rumor that popped up out of the blue. jmo [/*]

That info came from someone who knew Maria and Maria told this person that she had pre-eclampsia. Whether or not Maria did have pre-eclampsia I can't say...but I'm inclined to say she didn't.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by Kim

I seen a true crime show about trash bags used in a crime and they even had distinctive run marks created by the machine that made them they actually tracked the killer from dollar store trash bags.same as ballistics. bullets coming out of the chamber have distinctive marks on them made only by the firing from any particular gun.
When my husband and I paint the painting definitly varies.He loads diferent amount of paint into the brush or sponge as I do and different pressure and he is more uniform in coverage than I am we also stroke different dirrections tracking this down to even under 5 people wouldnt be hard to trace [/*]

Wouldn't police have to have samples of Cesar's other painting in order to narrow down his "style"?

:shrug:

[strick10]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Wouldn't police have to have samples of Cesar's other painting in order to narrow down his "style"?

:shrug: [/*]

:shrug:

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by Kim

I seen a true crime show about trash bags used in a crime and they even had distinctive run marks created by the machine that made them they actually tracked the killer from dollar store trash bags.same as ballistics. bullets coming out of the chamber have distinctive marks on them made only by the firing from any particular gun.
When my husband and I paint the painting definitly varies.He loads diferent amount of paint into the brush or sponge as I do and different pressure and he is more uniform in coverage than I am we also stroke different dirrections tracking this down to even under 5 people wouldnt be hard to trace [/*] :seeya: while I agree individual painting styles vary, to determine one' s individual style, LE would have to have a "reference sample". Without one of Xtina or CL to compare, they would have no way to determine, say if it was CL who painted the west wall in the dining room or Xtina. Can't really imagine LE requesting CL paint a wall for them so they can determine "forensically" his signature style :shrug:

[Kim]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Wouldn't police have to have samples of Cesar's other painting in order to narrow down his "style"?

:shrug: [/*]
yes possibly.UNLESS the different subjects who painted the walls lay claim tot he areas they painted......

[strick10]

Originally posted by Mitzy2
:seeya: while I agree individual painting styles vary, to determine one' s individual style, LE would have to have a "reference sample". Without one of Xtina or CL to compare, they would have no way to determine, say if it was CL who painted the west wall in the dining room or Xtina. Can't really imagine LE requesting CL paint a wall for them so they can determine "forensically" his signature style :shrug: [/*]

Why do you reference the west wall in the dining room?

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by strick10


Why do you reference the west wall in the dining room? [/*] No hidden meaning, just an example !

[strick10]

Originally posted by Mitzy2
No hidden meaning, just an example ! [/*]

Oh, okay.....

[gaelicpeas]

Hopefully the search warrants or whatever the documents are will be unsealed today!

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
Hopefully the search warrants or whatever the documents are will be unsealed today! [/*]

Yes, GPeas, so do I.

He did say he was off to the courthouse. :patriot:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Yes, GPeas, so do I.

He did say he was off to the courthouse. :patriot: [/*]

yay!

[strick10]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Yes, GPeas, so do I.

He did say he was off to the courthouse. :patriot: [/*]

Let's hope he doesn't take an extended chow break!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by strick10


Let's hope he doesn't take an extended chow break! [/*]

lol, yeah, I hope not too!

[sunstar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
Hopefully the search warrants or whatever the documents are will be unsealed today! [/*]
Good afternoon :seeya: I'm just hoping we hear something new like the SW, or about CL's extradition or who this person is LK referred to going to Mexico.

[strick10]

Originally posted by sunstar

Good afternoon :seeya: I'm just hoping we hear something new like the SW, or about CL's extradition or who this person is LK referred to going to Mexico. [/*]

Hey sunstar :seeya: Maybe I should log off the board for a bit. Seems like everytime I leave the board for an extended period of time some new information comes in.

[IvySterling]

Good morning, or afternoon all!

[strick10]

Originally posted by IvySterling
Good morning, or afternoon all! [/*]

Hey Ivy!

[sunstar]

Originally posted by strick10


Hey sunstar :seeya: Maybe I should log off the board for a bit. Seems like everytime I leave the board for an extended period of time some new information comes in. [/*]
I'm alternating between work and checking in for news & see what everyone's talking about! :D

[strick10]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
Hello all, lurking here and there today....rainy here. so depressing, unless you are a flower, I guess. [/*]

Good to see ya AnnieBean! Been awhile.

[hinman]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
Hopefully the search warrants or whatever the documents are will be unsealed today! [/*]I hope so to. Was gone all weekend so still trying to catch up.