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Kat4Eagles

04-17-2008, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

If she was awake, as the fully clothed suggests, she may have seen the person coming and had time to scream. [/*]

It is so hard to imagine what may have happened, if she may have thought she had a chance of getting to the phone or running to a room where she could have locked the door inside from.

I wonder if she tried to make it into the bathroom or if parts of the struggle took place in the closet.
I know there was a rumor the closet was messed up.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-17-2008, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

Did the poster's report indicate who the killer was? [/*]

It is very clear who the blogger thinks killed Michelle, although there was a time when they were also positive it was a hit.
:shrug:

Kat

lilismom

04-17-2008, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

At that time of night sound carries. I can hear semi's leaving the intersection a mile away late at night. [/*]

That you Lindsay Wagner? You must have some hearing. I live right off a major highway and a bridge and I don't hear a thing, even with the windows open. Now, if my neighbor was screaming bloody murder, I'd probably hear it. Probably not though if she was being choked.....first.

IMO,
Lilismom

lilismom

04-17-2008, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

It is very clear who the blogger thinks killed Michelle, although there was a time when they were also positive it was a hit.
:shrug:

Kat [/*]

So. Isn't that also why we're here. To kick around ideas. To argue one side or the other. To form opinions? To change our minds when warranted?

:shrug:

IMO,
Lilismom

lilismom

04-17-2008, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Insults? Why did I expect better? [/*]'

You should continue to expect better. It wasn't really meant to be an insult. That's not my style.

IMO,
Lilismom

Kat4Eagles

04-17-2008, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by lilismom

So. Isn't that also why we're here. To kick around ideas. To argue one side or the other. To form opinions? To change our minds when warranted?

:shrug:

IMO,
Lilismom [/*]

Yep, but no one is changing their decison after almost 18 months of this debate.

Has anyone changed their mind or is looking at the case any differently?

I know it must have been around this time last year that I switched from a JDI to a fence sitter to a JII.

It has always been lack of motive, and the inability to grasp the hate behind the rage.

Who hates that much?
Who keeps killing after someone is dead.?

Kat.

JHP

04-17-2008, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Especially if they want us to believe the crime happened at the time they say.........3am.

No one saw or heard anything?

No one heard Michelle screaming?

:(
Kat [/*]
You must do alot of screaming. It seems to be important to you.

If she was asleep when the murder started she probably didn't have a chance to make much noise. Unfortunatly.

JMO

Kat4Eagles

04-17-2008, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by JHP

You must do alot of screaming. It seems to be important to you.

If she was asleep when the murder started she probably didn't have a chance to make much noise. Unfortunatly.

JMO [/*]

Are you saying you wouldn't scream if someone was trying to kill you and you wanted to alert someone?

You wouldn't scream if you found a dead body in the middle of the afternoon on the floor in a bedroom.
And that dead body was your very own sister.

Then you are a non~screamer.

:shrug:
Kat

lilismom

04-17-2008, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Are you saying you wouldn't scream if someone was trying to kill you and you wanted to alert someone?

You wouldn't scream if you found a dead body in the middle of the afternoon on the floor in a bedroom.
And that dead body was your very own sister.

Then you are a non~screamer.

:shrug:
Kat [/*]

The fact is that until you are in that situation, which thankfully I have never been, you can't know how you would react. It isn't fair to judge someone's reaction, compared to what you THINK your own would be then is it?

IMO,
Lilismom

lilismom

04-17-2008, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Yep, but no one is changing their decison after almost 18 months of this debate.

Has anyone changed their mind or is looking at the case any differently?

I know it must have been around this time last year that I switched from a JDI to a fence sitter to a JII.

It has always been lack of motive, and the inability to grasp the hate behind the rage.

Who hates that much?
Who keeps killing after someone is dead.?

Kat. [/*]

Someone who wants to make darn certain they're dead. After all, she probably saw their face.

IMO,
Lilismom

5swab5

04-17-2008, 05:38 PM

Funny, the news article doesn't mention the "swollen tongue". Guess the denial of viewing the blog is just another rumor.

:lol:

http://wral.com/news/local/story/1196458/

Kat4Eagles

04-17-2008, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by 5swab5
Funny, the news article doesn't mention the "swollen tongue". Guess the denial of viewing the blog is just another rumor.

:lol:

http://wral.com/news/local/story/1196458/ [/*]

No, but someone who read the blog came back here and mentioned it.

:(

Kat

Nellikat

04-17-2008, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
We were discussing the possibilities of Jason being seen back at Enchanted Oaks during the time Michelle was murdered.
Someone posted they don't look out the window after midnite, I would if I heard a car or something out of the ordinary.

And, the autopsy photos.
Agree to see them or disagree?

And the 911 call.

Kat [/*]

Another discussion that was brought up on the other thread today was that Michelle still does not have a gravestone. I'm not saying it proves guilt, but does her husband not respect Michelle's memory enough to do this? Does this give more insight as to what he thought of Michelle when she was alive? Since this is my opinion, I'll go ahead and say that for me, this isn't about Laci, Meredith, Linda, a random killer, or a blogger... this is just wondering why her husband has not placed a gravestone for Michelle after all this time. If someone else murdered her then what is he waiting for?

jmo
nelli

Kat4Eagles

04-17-2008, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by Gracia

Very good point, swab! Hadn't even thought of that major clue!
Of course she read the blog, as did all of the other JII's.
That's how they find out info, by lurking, then spinning!

They lurk on all of the different forums, and they lurked on over to the autopsy photo blog also! [/*]

I had a personal link from RPD for the blog.
He was half way nice until he saw the pics.

Why not close all the other forums that you are so worried about, just give us custody of Gojo.

Thats all we want.
:read:

Kat

5swab5

04-17-2008, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by Gracia

There is a gravestone on Laci's grave. [/*]

There certainly is! Not paid for by her murdering husband either.

Maybe Linda wants to wait so Michelle's won't have the name "Young" on it. Can't blame her for that.

:shrug:

MOO

Kat4Eagles

04-17-2008, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by Nellikat

Another discussion that was brought up on the other thread today was that Michelle still does not have a gravestone. I'm not saying it proves guilt, but does her husband not respect Michelle's memory enough to do this? Does this give more insight as to what he thought of Michelle when she was alive? Since this is my opinion, I'll go ahead and say that for me, this isn't about Laci, Meredith, Linda, a random killer, or a blogger... this is just wondering why her husband has not placed a gravestone for Michelle after all this time. If someone else murdered her then what is he waiting for?

jmo
nelli [/*]

I guess without knowing all that is going on between the 2 families, it is difficult to say.

If L F thinks Jason did it, and he wanted to get a marker, she could say she did not want the name Young on it.

Maybe each one is jusst waiting each other out.

Is Laci's tombstone with the name Rocha?
I don't think Lori Hacking's family allowed her married name on it.
And Nicole Brown Simpson, I think , is just Nicole Brown.

:shrug:
Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-17-2008, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by Gracia

I agree, nelli. It shows a lack of care and love, to me anyway.
It's as if Michelle didn't matter to her husband, like her life and her death, had no effect on him.

I think it's very sad and very disrespecful. [/*]

But , we don't know all the circumstances.

Good grief, Jason can not catch a break from you guys.
If he had purchased a tombstone, and went there every Sunday, sobbing, and falling plumb to his knees at her grave, it still wouldn't be enough, would it?

:(

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-17-2008, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by Gracia

Kat, I don't think anyone is keeping Gojo away from here or anywhere else, for that matter. He makes his own choices of what forum he wants to post on.

He's free to come here if he wants, no one's holding him hostage Kat. [/*]

I know it.
I was just messing with you.

:)

Kat

ETA......... But, seriously, if you don't want us reading elsewhere, close your sites and stop posting the links here.
Sheesh.

5swab5

04-17-2008, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I guess without knowing all that is going on between the 2 families, it is difficult to say.

If L F thinks Jason did it, and he wanted to get a marker, she could say she did not want the name Young on it.

Maybe each one is jusst waiting each other out.

Is Laci's tombstone with the name Rocha?
I don't think Lori Hacking's family allowed her married name on it.
And Nicole Brown Simpson, I think , is just Nicole Brown.

:shrug:
Kat [/*]

I'm sorry, but before Jason wasted money going to Disney World, on a cruise, to the beach or gambling, he should have put a marker on Michelle and Rylan's grave.

That is what a loving caring husband and father would do!

ONLY someone who couldn't care less, would neglect to take care of that final act of respect.

MOO

Danica

04-17-2008, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I'm not the topic of this forum so kindly abide by the TOS and stop tossing the bait.

Thanks. [/*]

We are all quite aware of who the topic of this board is, no matter how much attention you try and seek by your baiting and misrepresenting others posts. JMO

Danica

04-17-2008, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by agathachristie

Makes perfect sense to me, Gracia. It's right up there with the claims of having certain people on ignore. Trust me, they would never have anyone on ignore. They might miss something.

My very humble and honest opinion.;) [/*]

And you are absolutely correct Aggie, it's laughable the way these ppl twist everything so as to never appear wrong.

Justice for Michelle :rose:

Kat4Eagles

04-17-2008, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by Gracia

Kat,
My point was that everyone has seen the autopsy blog, and all of the others, if you're interested in this case and what's going on.

But some would lead us to believe that never looked at the blog ( autopsy ). and that's not so.

I don't care where you post or read.

Guess it hit me the wrong way that some would say they didn't have an interest in reading the autopsy blog, when the info they repeated showed the opposite.

Does that make sense?

:) [/*]

Yes, Gracia....... it makes sense.
I don't know what to tell you though, taking sides has divided us and until the case is solved, we just look at things differently.
But, never would I make a site just so I could talk about posters behind their backs .
I see my name posted at your sites almost non~stop.
So, who is it that is making me more important than I am really am
???????????????????????????????????

:shrug:

Kat

Danica

04-17-2008, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I had a personal link from RPD for the blog.
He was half way nice until he saw the pics.

Why not close all the other forums that you are so worried about, just give us custody of Gojo.

Thats all we want.
:read:

Kat [/*]

If that's all you want, go find him, start your own board. We, on the other hand want to discuss (intelligently/honestly) the murder of Michelle Young. You are free to go, lemme get the door for you...

Justice for Michelle :rose:

Danica

04-17-2008, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Yes, Gracia....... it makes sense.
I don't know what to tell you though, taking sides has divided us and until the case is solved, we just look at things differently.
But, never would I make a site just so I could talk about posters behind their backs .
I see my name posted at your sites almost non~stop.
So, who is it that is making me more important than I am really am
???????????????????????????????????

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

LOL, I am pretty sure that is happening NO WHERE, if you're seeing your name posted it may not be because of your "importance"...just sayin
BTW Can you try and stay ON TOPIC ?
Thanks in advance :biggrin:

Danica

04-17-2008, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

No it doesn't make sense. You keep claiming everyone has seen the blog when that isn't true. The info I have posted about was on this board long ago. You may not have been here or just forget I don't know which. But your claim that everyone has been to that site is flat out wrong. [/*]

If the post didn't apply to you, why protest so much ?:punch:

Danica

04-17-2008, 06:46 PM

snipped from KAT4EAGLES post:
"quote:Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
We were discussing the possibilities of Jason being seen back at Enchanted Oaks during the time Michelle was murdered.
Someone posted they don't look out the window after midnite, I would if I heard a car or something out of the ordinary."
**********************

Usually most people would be sleeping at that hour, and if someone did see Jasons' SUV would it be unusual enough for them to give it a second thought ? Doubtful, and given the time of year who would have windows open after midnite, a tad chilly don't you think ? Another thing that was brought up was the fact that Michelle was dressed, wearing a hoodie. I believe we read that the upstairs heating was not functioning, that would explain her choice of clothes for the night. JMO

Justice for Michelle
:rose:

Danica

04-17-2008, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Especially if they want us to believe the crime happened at the time they say.........3am.

No one saw or heard anything?

No one heard Michelle screaming?

:(
Kat [/*]

Who is this "they" who wants you to believe the murder happened at 3 am. The TOD is a 6 hour window, unless there have been any updates to that time. 12:00 am - 6:00 am November 3, 2006.
Your choice of wording (see above) is disturbing, it almost sounds like baiting. But, that couldln't be right, could it KAT ?

Nellikat

04-17-2008, 06:50 PM

annalyzer

04-17-2008, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by Danica
snip~ , and if someone did see Jasons' SUV would it be unusual enough for them to give it a second thought ? Doubtful, [/*]

Uh yes if the next day they found out their neighbor had been murdered in the middle of the night and LE came asking them if they'd seen any vehicles.

Danica

04-17-2008, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

I guess you missed the part that said EVERYONE??? Or do you not know what that word means? I'd be happy to supply you with the definition if you are having more problems. [/*]

Spare me your condescending posts, save them for someone more deserving, there are a few right in your area that need it.
I still say you protest too much LOL

Danica

04-17-2008, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

Uh yes if the next day they found out their neighbor had been murdered in the middle of the night and LE came asking them if they'd seen any vehicles. [/*]

A vehicle that is seen in that neighborhood on a daily/nightly basis would hardly stick out in their minds JMO And if JY was driving in the area on the night in question, he must not have thought he'd be noticed either. As far as we've heard he wasn't. That could point to him parking near the Pool area or even behind his house in the wooded area JMO

Danica

04-17-2008, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

No, but someone who read the blog came back here and mentioned it.

:(

Kat [/*]

Was it JustFacts ? :biggrin:

annalyzer

04-17-2008, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by Captan Joe
Now this is getting ridiculous:
http://tiny.cc/BeLTc
http://tiny.cc/Gp1WH [/*]

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Danica

04-17-2008, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Or it points to him being out of town and someone else being guilty. [/*]

Well, we just don't know now do we ?
All scenarios are possible, for the time being anyway...It's still a fact that all the Search Warrants are focused on Jason Young and only him. Haven't seen any for Meredith or anyone else though have we?

annalyzer

04-17-2008, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

I'd be wary of links like that. [/*]

I'm not afraid to open the links I just don't understand why they were posted.

Danica

04-17-2008, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

I post them where they are most deserved. [/*]

Well then I'd say your meter needs calibrating, cuz your way off... IMO

Kat4Eagles

04-17-2008, 07:03 PM

Jason got a speeding ticket so this is more proof he killed Michelle

Or someone is watching every move he makes a little too closely.

??

Kat

Danica

04-17-2008, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Ones being aimed at Jason don't prove guilt. It could prove tunnelvision just as easily. The fact that there were so many looking at him and no arrest tells me there's no evidence he committed the crime. Then I think about that hair in Michelle's palm and that makes me think it was a hell of a lot more random then Sheriff Donnie let on. [/*]

Well, the fact that there were so many looking at him and no arrests
(your words) tells me they are pretty sure who the perp is in this case and it's a matter of time until we all know it for a fact...
That hair stuck on Michelles' hand could be her own, or Jasons' who knows at this point ? Certainly not you jmo

Justice for Michelle :rose:

Danica

04-17-2008, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

My meter is dead on. [/*]

Pfftttt !!! :punch:

Danica

04-17-2008, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
Jason got a speeding ticket so this is more proof he killed Michelle

Or someone is watching every move he makes a little too closely.

??

Kat [/*]

It could be conceived that way, how did you find that out KAT ? Maybe taking a class at your nearby community college would help you spend your day a little more constructively. jmo :shrug:

Nellikat

04-17-2008, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

None of us are Jason or any family members. They are the only ones who know why one hasn't been placed or if one is in the works. It may be a joint decision to wait to put one on the grave.

A headstone doesn't indicate a lack of respect. Headstones aren't mandatory, they are choices people make for whatever reason. Not having one is no different then not visiting the grave. I've been to my mothers grave once in the 18 years since she passed away and she is less than an hour away. Again...has nothing to do with resepct, it's a choice I made. [/*]

I respect your opinion and choice. My opinion is different than yours in that I think there is a big difference with placing a gravestone and visiting a grave. Again, this is JMO.

jmo
nelli

Danica

04-17-2008, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Police have been pretty sure they were looking at the right person before and been wrong. That's why we have organizations like The Innocence Project....to find the real suspects. [/*]

I don't think the Innocence Project finds suspects, I think they try and find legal counsel to clear the falsely accused. imo

annalyzer

04-17-2008, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
Jason got a speeding ticket so this is more proof he killed Michelle

Or someone is watching every move he makes a little too closely.

??

Kat [/*]

Or he was speeding and got a ticket.

Danica

04-17-2008, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

My meter is dead on. [/*]

Or it's just dead...

Danica

04-17-2008, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

In some cases they have found the real suspects including one who had confessed to the crime involved. [/*]

You appear a little tired, perhaps a nap would be helpful. :seeya:

awareness

04-17-2008, 07:33 PM

lilismom

04-17-2008, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

But , we don't know all the circumstances.

Good grief, Jason can not catch a break from you guys.
If he had purchased a tombstone, and went there every Sunday, sobbing, and falling plumb to his knees at her grave, it still wouldn't be enough, would it?

:(

Kat [/*]

What a boring board this would be if we gave breaks and stipulated to everything can be reasonably argued on two sides. There would be nothing left to discuss.

Scream v. Stay Calm for the Child

Child Noticed Actual Boo Boos v. Child Sees Blood and Associates it with Boo Boos

Flat Affect on 911 Call v. Sister in Shock

I Hear Daddy Did It v. I don't

Footprints All Over the House v. Not Literally, Just All Over Where She Was At That Point In The Calll

Sister Uses Drugs v. Sister Taking Cold Meds

Affair v. Three Way Friendship

I know there are plenty of other things that have been argued to death here and probably will continue to be argued. Anyone care to add to the list of things that we have argued to death and have not been convinced of by the "other" side to change our mind? Can anyone think of anything that is SO very obvioiusly one sided?

By the bye, JustFacts, I'm still waiting for that list of reasons you suspect Meredith. I'm not looking to come up with an answer for every one as I don't follow this case close enough to be able to. I am honestly interested in why you suspect her and won't let up about it. I figure there has to be good reason. If not, that's fine too, I'll move right along.

IMO,
Lilismom

5swab5

04-17-2008, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by awareness

You know Kat, I could say the same in return.

"Good greif - doesnt it cause you to pause and think a moment since Jason hasn't ever talked to L.E. and given an interview? that he was having an affair with his wifes friend MM? That he hasnt placed a headstone on Michelle's grave?"

I can assure you, Id feel better about Jason if there were such footage or facts established that Jason actually did those things. Then maybe I'd think that he really and truly LOVED his wife and misses her, cared deeply for her. That is not what I currently think of Jason Young.

JMO/IMO [/*]

Or attended any of the Memorials,

Started a "tip-line",

Offered a reward,

Made a tribute blog,

Lobbied for the N.C. Fetal Homicide Law.

Something!

ANYTHING!

MOO

Swabby

Kat4Eagles

04-17-2008, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

Or he was speeding and got a ticket. [/*]

That would be too easy.......lol.

No, no it has to be this way.

Sirens and lights flashing....police cars surrounding the highway and helicopters flying overhead.

Officer :Please step out of the car.

Jason: Yes, sir, can you tell me what I did wrong?

Officer: Well, umm, ehhhh, we all know you killed your wife Jason, but since we can't get you on that, here, have a ticket.

:)

Kat

Cardinal

04-17-2008, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

That would be too easy.......lol.

No, no it has to be this way.

Sirens and lights flashing....police cars surrounding the highway and helicopters flying overhead.

Officer :Please step out of the car.

Jason: Yes, sir, can you tell me what I did wrong?

Officer: Well, umm, ehhhh, we all know you killed your wife Jason, but since we can't get you on that, here, have a ticket.

:)

Kat [/*]

Gratuitous drama, Kat?

Kat4Eagles

04-17-2008, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by lilismom

What a boring board this would be if we gave breaks and stipulated to everything can be reasonably argued on two sides. There would be nothing left to discuss.

Scream v. Stay Calm for the Child

Child Noticed Actual Boo Boos v. Child Sees Blood and Associates it with Boo Boos

Flat Affect on 911 Call v. Sister in Shock

I Hear Daddy Did It v. I don't

Footprints All Over the House v. Not Literally, Just All Over Where She Was At That Point In The Calll

Sister Uses Drugs v. Sister Taking Cold Meds

Affair v. Three Way Friendship

I know there are plenty of other things that have been argued to death here and probably will continue to be argued. Anyone care to add to the list of things that we have argued to death and have not been convinced of by the "other" side to change our mind? Can anyone think of anything that is SO very obvioiusly one sided?

By the bye, JustFacts, I'm still waiting for that list of reasons you suspect Meredith. I'm not looking to come up with an answer for every one as I don't follow this case close enough to be able to. I am honestly interested in why you suspect her and won't let up about it. I figure there has to be good reason. If not, that's fine too, I'll move right along.

IMO,
Lilismom [/*]

Well, I don't want a boring board and I am glad for the debates .

I just don't think anyone is going to change their mind about guilt or innocence at this point.

All the posts, lists, excuses, anything we come up should be challenged by either side.

If for nothing more, than to know we have explored and exhausted every single possibility.

I just don't understand the need for it to get so personal, I really do not care who you are behind your screen name.

I am sure all the JDIs think all the JII's sound the same and vice versa.
And there are more of you than us, but we can hang.
:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-17-2008, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Gratuitous drama, Kat? [/*]

I forgot the screaming part.....crap.

:)
Kat

Cardinal

04-17-2008, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I forgot the screaming part.....crap.

:)
Kat [/*]

:lol: I was going to call you on that.

Cardinal

04-17-2008, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Well, I don't want a boring board and I am glad for the debates .

I just don't think anyone is going to change their mind about guilt or innocence at this point.

All the posts, lists, excuses, anything we come up should be challenged by either side.

If for nothing more, than to know we have explored and exhausted every single possibility.

I just don't understand the need for it to get so personal, I really do not care who you are behind your screen name.

I am sure all the JDIs think all the JII's sound the same and vice versa.
And there are more of you than us, but we can hang.
:shrug:

Kat [/*]

Believe it or not, Kat, I agree with this post. Especially about the need for it to get personal. I don't understand that either, and I don't like it. That's not to say I can't play in that arena (to borrow one of your sports analogies), but it's not my first choice.

Kat4Eagles

04-17-2008, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

:lol: I was going to call you on that. [/*]

Yeah, it was in the original script, but I wanted that part.

:)
Kat

Cardinal

04-17-2008, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Yeah, it was in the original script, but I wanted that part.

:)
Kat [/*]

Something tells me you'd beat out the competition for it.

Danica

04-17-2008, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by 5swab5

Or attended any of the Memorials,

Started a "tip-line",

Offered a reward,

Made a tribute blog,

Lobbied for the N.C. Fetal Homicide Law.

Something!

ANYTHING!

MOO

Swabby [/*]

Let his mother in law and sister in law see Cassidy ?

Danica

04-17-2008, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by lilismom

What a boring board this would be if we gave breaks and stipulated to everything can be reasonably argued on two sides. There would be nothing left to discuss.

Scream v. Stay Calm for the Child

Child Noticed Actual Boo Boos v. Child Sees Blood and Associates it with Boo Boos

Flat Affect on 911 Call v. Sister in Shock

I Hear Daddy Did It v. I don't

Footprints All Over the House v. Not Literally, Just All Over Where She Was At That Point In The Calll

Sister Uses Drugs v. Sister Taking Cold Meds

Affair v. Three Way Friendship

I know there are plenty of other things that have been argued to death here and probably will continue to be argued. Anyone care to add to the list of things that we have argued to death and have not been convinced of by the "other" side to change our mind? Can anyone think of anything that is SO very obvioiusly one sided?

By the bye, JustFacts, I'm still waiting for that list of reasons you suspect Meredith. I'm not looking to come up with an answer for every one as I don't follow this case close enough to be able to. I am honestly interested in why you suspect her and won't let up about it. I figure there has to be good reason. If not, that's fine too, I'll move right along.

IMO,
Lilismom [/*]

No Robbery vs. LF and MF stole jewelry
Not Random vs. Anybody but JY did it
Headed for Divorce vs. Happily Married
Attempted Murder vs. JY just can't drive
Attempted Murder vs. MY fell overbrd.
JY sent VM to MF vs. MF lied/is murderer
JY swallowed rings vs JY joins circus

Lillismom- from day one some of us have asked KAT or Mimi for evidence that points to Meredith, they have never come up with anything close to a list. From what I have seen, all they've done is try to twist and mis-represent posts. That tells me plain as day, they have nothing, and are here to bait and they are in dire need of attention from anywhere they can get it. Sad, but true. imo

Justice for Michelle :rose:

Danica

04-17-2008, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

Who the heck is Kevin Michael Saum and why does him getting a ticket or going to court on the same day as Jason mean anything? :confused: [/*]

If you google the name Robert Burdette you'll find mention of that guys name.
Burdette is a murder victim, the rest can be explained online research.

annalyzer

04-17-2008, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by Danica

If you google the name Robert Burdette you'll find mention of that guys name.
Burdette is a murder victim, the rest can be explained online research. [/*]

Okay. Still not seeing the big coinkydink here and the relevance of Jason and Baum getting speeding tickets.

annalyzer

04-17-2008, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Okay, not sure how to link this, Annalyzer.
But it is called Mysterious Murder in Georgia.
Who killed Scott Burdette.?

It is in a blog by Steve Huff.

Kevin Saum's name is mentioned.

Weird, I think this was all posted at Cyberslueths at one time.

Not sure.

Kat [/*]

I read the whole thing. What does that have to do with Jason and Baum getting a speeding ticket or going to court for a speeding ticket on the same day? Please, someone explain. I just don't see the relevance.

JustFacts

04-17-2008, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

No it doesn't make sense. You keep claiming everyone has seen the blog when that isn't true. The info I have posted about was on this board long ago. You may not have been here or just forget I don't know which. But your claim that everyone has been to that site is flat out wrong. [/*]

ITA. It is wrong and they think repeating something often enough will make it true.

:rolleyes:

Danica

04-17-2008, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

I read the whole thing. What does that have to do with Jason and Baum getting a speeding ticket or going to court for a speeding ticket on the same day? Please, someone explain. I just don't see the relevance. [/*]

I don't either, I think gojo and captain whatever are trippin. The only thing I can see relates at all is the mention of Kevin Saum and the river rafting co. But, that is a tie to gojo I think, so still don't get it.

Danica

04-17-2008, 11:50 PM

I remember something about that, it was a company Michelle worked for before she worked for Progress Energy.

Kat4Eagles

04-17-2008, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by june1943

There is a circle of players here. Scott Burdette worked for the same company as Michelle. He was gunned down not to long before Michelle was killed. He had a business relationship with people connected to Jason. I have not be able to find out if he and Jason visited between each other. I have long wondered if LE even looked at this circle. It would seem as if they didn't. I would like to know where this fellows speeding ticket was issued. Could he have been chasing Jason? [/*]

This is all getting too weird for me.
You forgot the river raft connection that Danica posted.

Forget complicated. Try chilling.

Tickets were both issued in Henderson County according to the links posted.

This is too out there.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-17-2008, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by Danica
I remember something about that, it was a company Michelle worked for before she worked for Progress Energy. [/*]

Is Burdette's murder still unsolved?

Danica

04-18-2008, 12:01 AM

I don't think his co. could have owned Progress Energy. Isn't PE the So. Calif. Edison of North Carolina? In other words, the only Power Co. in N.C. ?

Kat4Eagles

04-18-2008, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by june1943

Its getting almost to the scary point. A friend of Jason's reports he has been threatened in Brevard. There is some connection here but for the life of me ii haven't been able to put my finger on it. Could Scott Burdette and Michelle have been trying to take on a company as large as Bearing Point? That just doesn't seem likely. [/*]

Maybe they just stumbled onto something?

I don't know, but why does it have to be midnite when we find this crazy stuff out?
Now, I am going to have nightmares.
Great....:(
Kat

jerzeegirl

04-18-2008, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by june1943

So in other words the fact that Kevin is involved with the rafting co. and it is owned by a friend of Jason's is just a coincident. And now the tickets on the same day is another coincident. Small world. [/*]

Wow, im totally lost now, all this rafting co. stuff and tickets and Saum. Sheesh.

Kat4Eagles

04-18-2008, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by june1943

So in other words the fact that Kevin is involved with the rafting co. and it is owned by a friend of Jason's is just a coincident. And now the tickets on the same day is another coincident. Small world. [/*]

Maybe, or it could start to paint a whole other picture.

Kat

awareness

04-18-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by Silsbee

I don't think this has anything to do with Michelle's murder either. What it does show is that coincidence's do happen; even one's that seem monumental.

Sils [/*]

ITA

Kat4Eagles

04-18-2008, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by awareness

ITA [/*]

I know it may not seem connected, but it can't hurt to check it out a little, can it?

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-18-2008, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by Captan Joe
Don't forget the tie in of Burdette and Ryan Schaad. They both worked as computer geeks for KPMG who also employed Michelle at one time. Saum was Burdette's partner. Plus Ryan is GA friend's hubby. [/*]

It is weird, CJ, to say the least, but it is just another one of those things that mean nothing to this case.

Although last nite, I was not discounting the hit theory.

I wandered off the path a little, exhausted and explored some possibilites, thanx to a few good people, but there is no connection.

Turns out the Saum connection is just shooting blanks..

What's next?

Kat

Barbara2

04-18-2008, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by Captan Joe
I wouldn't rule it out yet. This case is complicated for a reason, otherwise it would be cut and dried. That reason may be that it is tied in with another murder, Burdette's. That may be the reason for the SBI intrusion. [/*]

Wouldn't you expect to see someone from Georgia LE in Brevard and/or Raleigh if that were the case?

Kat4Eagles

04-19-2008, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
JF,the tickets were issued 4 days apart and they happen to get the same court date.
The Capt is doing a rerun on the burdette case. He had everyone running around on RU at one time and now has it going at Scouts also. I think he get a laugh out of seeing cats chase their tails. CJ is a pot stirrer when their is nothing to stir.He is a game player posting links that have nothing to do with MY death. i have followed his posting and they all turn out nada. [/*]

Heyyyyyyyyyy, I was one of those kats chasing their tail the other nite..:)
I want to follow every lead we get, the good, the bad, and the stupid..

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-19-2008, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by Captan Joe
The MY case is closed at RU, I ain't been there is months. What's wrong with stirring the pot during a quiet period? I'm getting bored with the controlled media who ain't out there digging. [/*]

Can't hurt CJ, maybe "we" rely too much on the few words L E has given us.........like "complicated".....

It must be way more complicated than even they thought, here 'we" are almost a year and a half later, no closer to the truth and further away than ever from justice,,

:shrug:

Kat

Barbara2

04-19-2008, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Can't hurt CJ, maybe "we" rely too much on the few words L E has given us.........like "complicated".....

It must be way more complicated than even they thought, here 'we" are almost a year and a half later, no closer to the truth and further away than ever from justice,,

Kat [/*]

We might not be any closer to the truth but I'm sure the professional investigators are. Did you hear that they were back in Brevard last week? No search warrants but they were talking to people. I wonder who gave up information to them this time and how much closer we might be to an arrest, don't you?

Barbara2

04-19-2008, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Apparently no closer since there still hasn't been an arrest. [/*]

Do you not believe that they have to build a case? I think they could be closer even though an arrest has not been made. I think they could have additional evidence but still need more or need to put it all together prior to issuing an arrest warrant. IMO

Kat4Eagles

04-19-2008, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Apparently no closer since there still hasn't been an arrest. [/*]

Hi WDI.

I am feeling less optimistic than ever that this is going to be solved.

Yes, I "heard" about the visitors and the speeding tix.

Which reminds me, if you were Jason and you got pulled over for speeding, and you killed Michelle, wouldn't you be freaking out, extra extra nervous and anxious?

Cops pick up on that, I wonder what his demeanor was.
It must have been okay, cause they let him go.

That goes into the innocent column for me.

Kat

Barbara2

04-19-2008, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Hi WDI.

I am feeling less optimistic than ever that this is going to be solved.

Yes, I "heard" about the visitors and the speeding tix.

Which reminds me, if you were Jason and you got pulled over for speeding, and you killed Michelle, wouldn't you be freaking out, extra extra nervous and anxious?

Cops pick up on that, I wonder what his demeanor was.
It must have been okay, cause they let him go.

That goes into the innocent column for me.

Kat [/*]

Police can now arrest a person for murder because they look nervous? No evidence required?? That's news to me! !!

ETA: Is there anyone here who is NOT nervous when they get a speeding ticket? Does the sight of those bubble lights in your rearview mirror not make your heart drop just a bit?

Kat4Eagles

04-19-2008, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

Police can now arrest a person for murder because they look nervous? No evidence required?? That's news to me! !! [/*]

The fact he could get pulled over, and not sweat it out while they ran his plates and registration through, was cause he has nothing to be nervous about.

He knew it would come back clean.

I wonder if they made him wait it out more then they should have, just to see if he panicked.

Thats how they caught Ted Bundy, speeding.

:)

Kat

Barbara2

04-19-2008, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

The fact he could get pulled over, and not sweat it out while they ran his plates and registration through, was cause he has nothing to be nervous about.

He knew it would come back clean.

I wonder if they made him wait it out more then they should have, just to see if he pancked.

Thats how they caught Ted Bundy, speeding.

:)

Kat [/*]

I believe if/when he is arrested, it will be because the investigators have evidence for a conviction and not because he acted nervous when he was pulled over for a speeding ticket. I doubt the investigators were in Brevard last week questioning people to get evidence of Jason's poor driving record. JMO

Kat4Eagles

04-19-2008, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

I believe if/when he is arrested, it will be because the investigators have evidence for a conviction and not because he acted nervous when he was pulled over for a speeding ticket. I doubt the investigators were in Brevard last week questioning people to get evidence of Jason's poor driving record. JMO [/*]

At this point, they are probably so frustrated with him , no telling why they were in Brevard.

I have heard diffferent versions, it might have even been concerning the daycare drama.

:shrug:

Kat

Barbara2

04-19-2008, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

At this point, they are probably so frustrated with him , no telling why they were in Brevard.

I have heard diffferent versions, it might have even been concerning the daycare drama.

Kat [/*]

Wake County would have no jurisdiction over a daycare issue in Brevard. Wake County is concerned with justice for a murdered woman and her baby. That's all they are dealing with. Frustration with the husband of the murdered victim has nothing to do with it, IMO. I think they are after more evidence to seal a conviction.

Barbara2

04-19-2008, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

If they need to go ask a couple of questions almost two years later then obviously they are either incompetent or there is no evidence and they are scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to find some. [/*]

This is not a T.V. show where the crime is solved in 60 minutes. It's real life. Sometimes it takes years to get the evidence needed for a conviction. It's particularly difficult when the crime occurs in the home and the DNA of the perp is there naturally. They need to ask as many questions as they need to ask to get justice for a woman and her baby who were taken from this life before their time. I hope they continue to be patient and do their job even if some here don't have that patience. IMO.

Barbara2

04-19-2008, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

It never bothered me before following the Duke rape case. I'm completely legal, my car is completely legal and I obey the road laws.

Of course seeing how the Duke boys, Cynthia Sommer and Alton Logan ended up accused and/or convicted of crimes they didn't commit my heart probably would drop if a cop pulled up behind me. [/*]

I've been told that those who speed get nervous when they see those bubble lights. I've been told that getting a speeding ticket makes even an otherwise law abiding citizen nervous. In someone's opinion.

Kat4Eagles

04-19-2008, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

This is not a T.V. show where the crime is solved in 60 minutes. It's real life. Sometimes it takes years to get the evidence needed for a conviction. It's particularly difficult when the crime occurs in the home and the DNA of the perp is there naturally. They need to ask as many questions as they need to ask to get justice for a woman and her baby who were taken from this life before their time. I hope they continue to be patient and do their job even if some here don't have that patience. IMO. [/*]

I am running out of patience, so I can not even imagine how Michelle and Jason's family are holding up.
Or the people in Enchanted Oaks.
Or anyone who knew Michellle and Jason personally.

I guess they are all told to wait.
I wonder if they get tired of hearing that.

Kat

Barbara2

04-19-2008, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Who said anything about it being solved in 60 minutes? It has been almost EIGHTEEN months.

Scott Peterson was arrested and awaiting trial less than six months after Laci disappeared. He lived in the same home. Same with other cases. Maybe it's time Sheriff Donnie looked for other possible suspects. [/*]

Scott Peterson moved the body. I really don't think you can compare the cases. Compare a case where the murder occurred in the home and the body was not moved. How long did a conviction take in that case. I know there was one mentioned recently and I know it took years.

Kat4Eagles

04-19-2008, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Who said anything about it being solved in 60 minutes? It has been almost EIGHTEEN months.

Scott Peterson was arrested and awaiting trial less than six months after Laci disappeared. He lived in the same home. Same with other cases. Maybe it's time Sheriff Donnie looked for other possible suspects. [/*]

S P was arrested 4 months after Laci disappeared, and even that seemed like forever. I kept wondering what they were waiting for.

In fact, it was 5 years ago exactly yesterday that SP was taken into custody.

Wow.
Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-19-2008, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

Scott Peterson moved the body. I really don't think you can compare the cases. Compare a case where the murder occurred in the home and the body was not moved. How long did a conviction take in that case. I know there was one mentioned recently and I know it took years. [/*]

Some would like us to think this is the Peterson West case all over again.
I know nothing about the Peterson east case.

That was what I thought originally too.

Kat

Barbara2

04-19-2008, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Some would like us to think this is the Peterson East case all over again.

That was what I thought originally too.

Kat [/*]

You can't compare that case either. He was at home. He was the one who found the victim. Whole different scenario. If he had figured out a way to NOT be in the house and coerced someone else over there to discover the body, he might be a free man today. The 911 calls made by him and the blood spatter in his shorts were pieces that convicted him. Jason, if he is guilty, avoided that.

Barbara2

04-19-2008, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

There was no crime scene in the Peterson home either but police were able to arrest him by April. The police in this case had much more to work with. [/*]

The body was found where he went "fishing" that day! I can't believe you're trying to compare the two cases. Apples and oranges.

Barbara2

04-19-2008, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

I followed west but not east.

There was no physical evidence in west but they were able to arrest him four months after Laci disappeared. [/*]

There was tons of evidence! Number one is that the body was found where he was known to have been with his boat. It doesn't get more evident than that. The other evidence completed the picture. Apples and oranges. Apples and oranges.

annalyzer

04-19-2008, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Which reminds me, if you were Jason and you got pulled over for speeding, and you killed Michelle, wouldn't you be freaking out, extra extra nervous and anxious?

Cops pick up on that, I wonder what his demeanor was.
It must have been okay, cause they let him go.

That goes into the innocent column for me.

Kat [/*]

Unless he appeared intoxicated or under the influence and/or they had a warrant for his arrest they had no choice but to let him go. If he is the murderer of Michelle he probably did sweat a little before he realized it was just a speeding offense. :chicken:

Barbara2

04-19-2008, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Originally posted by W_D_1

I followed west but not east.

There was no physical evidence in west but they were able to arrest him four months after Laci disappeared. [/*]

I said PHYSICAL, not circumstantial. [/*]

The majority of cases are solved by circumstantial evidence. Very few are solved by direct evidence. FYI, even PHYSICAL evidence is circumstantial evidence. Just so you know.

Barbara2

04-20-2008, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by Barbara2

You are directing your comment to the wrong poster. It was W_D_1 who suggested that being nervous during a traffic stop would be evidence of guilt for the murder. [/*]

I'm sorry. It was not W_D_1. Kat4Eagles suggested that he could be hauled away for being nervous during a traffic stop.

beattherap

04-20-2008, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by Barbara2

Wake County would have no jurisdiction over a daycare issue in Brevard. Wake County is concerned with justice for a murdered woman and her baby. That's all they are dealing with. Frustration with the husband of the murdered victim has nothing to do with it, IMO. I think they are after more evidence to seal a conviction. [/*]
hi barbara,

i haven't followed this case as closely as many of you, but i check to see if there are new developments...

i've seen statements like yours --- "I think they are after more evidence to seal a conviction."--- for nearly 1 1/2 years now...

i don't grasp the optimism... other than the notion that the longer it gets from the crime, the closer it gets to an arrest.... are there reasons for your belief.

Zaun

04-20-2008, 10:35 AM

I believe that LE wanted sooooooooo desperately to make JY " fit" as the killer but thankfully he listened to his lawyers and hasn't allowed himself to be railroaded in this case. I'm very confident now that justice will prevail and that if the DA tries to go after JY he will win his case. :patriot: IMO

Cardinal

04-20-2008, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by Zaun
...if the DA tries to go after JY he will win his case. IMO [/*]

Syntax is a wonderful thing. :biggrin:

Zaun

04-20-2008, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by Barbara2

The majority of cases are solved by circumstantial evidence. Very few are solved by direct evidence. FYI, even PHYSICAL evidence is circumstantial evidence. Just so you know. [/*]

That's why you get a lawyer and force an investigation. The last thing you want to do is make it easy for them to railroad you. I'm also against JY allowing CY to visit the Fishers until she is 18. I believe that it would be too risky. jmo

Justice for JY and CY. imo:rose:

Zaun

04-20-2008, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Syntax is a wonderful thing. :biggrin: [/*]

lol. I could care less when I'm posting. I'm not a schoolteacher......I actually make money. :seeya:jmo

Barbara2

04-20-2008, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by W_D_1

No it was not. You should go back and read before assigning blame. [/*]

Yes, that's what I said. :read:

Barbara2

04-20-2008, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by beattherap

hi barbara,

i haven't followed this case as closely as many of you, but i check to see if there are new developments...

i've seen statements like yours --- "I think they are after more evidence to seal a conviction."--- for nearly 1 1/2 years now...

i don't grasp the optimism... other than the notion that the longer it gets from the crime, the closer it gets to an arrest.... are there reasons for your belief. [/*]

Yes. Statements made by investigators to friends who live in Raleigh lead me to believe that they are getting closer to an arrest. I can't tell you when that might be.

JD1974

04-20-2008, 12:10 PM

If Jason did this crime he has had some extremely good luck. Maybe they should check his computers and see if he looked up how incompetent LE is there.

Cardinal

04-20-2008, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Well,I know now why this case has not been solved. LE is depending on RPD to solve it for them and he can`t quite put 2 and 3 together to get it to equal 4. Got to give him credit,bless his heart, he is trying to get Jay to = murderer. Sheriff Donnie you really need to get another investigator on this case and give RPD some down time. [/*]

Thank you for the insight into your reasoning process. It will help to put your posts into context.

JMO

annalyzer

04-20-2008, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by Gracia

LE already has more than enough for an arrest. They want to make sure they've got a conviction.
[/*]

Yet they won't even name him a suspect. I find that very odd.

alter ego

04-20-2008, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Gracia

That's quite the norm, if you research through the history of murder cases, the suspect is not publicly named.

Have you not read all of the returned warrants?
Every single one has the name of the suspect.

Jason Lynn Young. [/*]Not true. LE has no qualms in naming a suspect or POI. They sure didn't balk on naming Drew Peterson.

Have you read a search warrant? Notice the word ALLEGE ?

alter ego

04-20-2008, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

Yes. Statements made by investigators to friends who live in Raleigh lead me to believe that they are getting closer to an arrest. I can't tell you when that might be. [/*]
What statements? To what friends?

5swab5

04-20-2008, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by Oehll

______________________________________

Just a ? here. I must have missed the "ambush on the daycare"......would someone please enlighten me? I admit I have not kept up w/this case from the beginning, so please forgive me! TIA [/*]

Hi Oehll,

Apparently some here and in Brevard like to refer to Michelle's mother, Michelle's sister and possibly Michelle's grandmother visiting Cassidy on her BirthDay at her DayCare Center...an "ambush".

Seeing as how Cassidy's Christmas presents were "returned to sender" by the Youngs. Can't say as I blame Michelle's family for wanting to see Cassidy, and let her know that they haven't forgotten her and still love her. Sad that it has come to this. Cassidy deserves SO much more than the control tactics coming out of Jason Lynn Young's pseudo-home & hometown.

MOO, IMO, JMO

Swabby

Cardinal

04-20-2008, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by JaneTruth

He's talking about the visit from Cassidy's grandma, great-grandma and other relatives for her birthday. [/*]

Thanks for explaining, although now it doesn't correlate. The "ambush" post seemed to be in response to Barbara2's post about LE being in Brevard last week. IIRC, CY's birthday was a few weeks ago.

JMO

5swab5

04-20-2008, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Thanks for explaining, although now it doesn't correlate. The "ambush" post seemed to be in response to Barbara2's post about LE being in Brevard last week. IIRC, CY's birthday was a few weeks ago.

JMO [/*]

It's called, "Twist and Shout". It's all the JI²s have.

ALL the search warrants are against Jason Lynn Young. So they consistently try to create "time warps", rewrite history and undo facts.

Fortunately a select few, try their best to keep the board honest.

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

04-20-2008, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Well,I know now why this case has not been solved. LE is depending on RPD to solve it for them and he can`t quite put 2 and 3 together to get it to equal 4. Got to give him credit,bless his heart, he is trying to get Jay to = murderer. Sheriff Donnie you really need to get another investigator on this case and give RPD some down time. [/*]

^^^^^^^2 and 3 together to get it to equal 4 ^^^^^.

WOW, must be the "NEW Math".

MOO

Swabby

Hey Paula

04-20-2008, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by 5swab5

Hi Oehll,

Apparently some here and in Brevard like to refer to Michelle's mother, Michelle's sister and possibly Michelle's grandmother visiting Cassidy on her BirthDay at her DayCare Center...an "ambush".

Seeing as how Cassidy's Christmas presents were "returned to sender" by the Youngs. Can't say as I blame Michelle's family for wanting to see Cassidy, and let her know that they haven't forgotten her and still love her. Sad that it has come to this. Cassidy deserves SO much more than the control tactics coming out of Jason Lynn Young's pseudo-home & hometown.

MOO, IMO, JMO

Swabby [/*]

Hi Swabby and Everyone!

JY's family should be ashamed of themselves for returning the gifts Michelle's family sent Cassidy. If the Youngs truly loved her, they wouldn't deprive Cassidy of her mother's family's love. They are hurting her more than they are hurting Michelle's family. Children as young as Cassidy don't understand death, and can view it as abandonment. Does Cassidy feel her grandmother and aunt abandoned her too? Isn't it bad enough that poor child is deprived of her mother's love forever? Must they keep her from the only link she has to her mom?

This will not bode well for the Youngs. Cassidy will undoubtedly resent them when she matures as she wonders why they behaved so cruelly. If JY isn't legally indicted, he and his family will have indicted him through their own callous behavior and blatant disrespect and disdain they are exhibiting for Michelle. If JY is eventually tried, their behavior will also be duly noted.

I hope Michelle's family will seize every opportunity to let Cassidy know how much she is loved, and that they will keep Michelle's memory alive in Cassidy's heart forever.

IMO

5swab5

04-20-2008, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

Hi Swabby and Everyone!

JY's family should be ashamed of themselves for returning the gifts Michelle's family sent Cassidy. If the Youngs truly loved her, they wouldn't deprive Cassidy of her mother's family's love. They are hurting her more than they are hurting Michelle's family. Children as young as Cassidy don't understand death, and can view it as abandonment. Does Cassidy feel her grandmother and aunt abandoned her too? Isn't it bad enough that poor child is deprived of her mother's love forever? Must they keep her from the only link she has to her mom?

This will not bode well for the Youngs. Cassidy will undoubtedly resent them when she matures as she wonders why they behaved so cruelly. If JY isn't legally indicted, he and his family will have indicted him through their own callous behavior and blatant disrespect and disdain they are exhibiting for Michelle. If JY is eventually tried, their behavior will also be duly noted.

I hope Michelle's family will seize every opportunity to let Cassidy know how much she is loved, and that they will keep Michelle's memory alive in Cassidy's heart forever.

IMO [/*]

Unfortunately,

According to the self appointed spokesman of Brevard, the "breach" has been taken care of, and it will "NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN". Who knew that balloons and wrapped BirthDay presents from a child's maternal side of the family were such a threat?

Poor Cassidy!

MOO. IMO. JMO.

Swabby

MoonFlwr

04-20-2008, 09:06 PM

I just can't fathom the train of thought that would result in disallowing a child some presents from their family members.

I know all the history yadda yadda yadda, the accusations towards Jason etc....but none of that should come into whether Cassidy receives gifts or not!

annalyzer

04-20-2008, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by MoonFlwr
I just can't fathom the train of thought that would result in disallowing a child some presents from their family members.

I know all the history yadda yadda yadda, the accusations towards Jason etc....but none of that should come into whether Cassidy receives gifts or not! [/*]

Isn't the train of thought of Jason and "his clan" is that Meredith is the murderer? :eek:

MoonFlwr

04-20-2008, 09:26 PM

Whoever the murderer may be....give the child a present from Grandma FGS!

She doesn't have to even hand it over personally...just tell the child it's from Granny! :shrug:

5swab5

04-20-2008, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by JaneTruth

Gojo says they are afraid of what Linda will say to Cassidy. I think the reverse is true. They are much more afraid of what Cassidy will say to Linda.

IMO [/*]

OR, more likely...what Cassidy might say to Meredith.

The 911 tape was CHILLING!.

Cassidy was a little chatterbox, telling Meredith how much she missed her and trying to tell Meredith something about "remember when", as Meredith was taking in the horror of what was hers to deal with.

Even if all posters haven't heard the "enhanced" version of the call, it does exist and it is in the hands of the WCSD.

"Daddy Did IT"!

Before you even try to flame this post, remember that a 2½ y-old cannot, will not be called upon to testify. Michelle was brutally annihilated in her own home. Very personal. Where's the foreign DNA? Where's the break-in? Where's the robbery? Why insure that the child and dog came to no harm?

In the absence of ALL the above, what we have IS Cassidy. The sole witness. No wonder Jason Lynn Young and his champions want Cassidy to STAY away from Michelle's Mother and Sister.

Michelle taught Cassidy well, Cassidy is very vocal, Cassidy knows, Cassidy will yet be Michelle's voice from beyond the grave. I believe this, with ALL my Heart! Maybe IF Jason had spent more time WITH Cassidy, instead of other EXTRA CURRICULAR activities, he would have allowed for this inevitability...I shudder to think.

There is NO other reason on God's Green Earth for the Youngs to keep Cassidy away from Linda & Meredith.

MOO

Swabby

annalyzer

04-20-2008, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by 5swab5

snipped~

The 911 tape was CHILLING!.

Cassidy was a little chatterbox, telling Meredith how much she missed her and trying to tell Meredith something about "remember when", as Meredith was taking in the horror of what was hers to deal with.

Even if all posters haven't heard the "enhanced" version of the call, it does exist and it is in the hands of the WCSD.

"Daddy Did IT"!

[/*]

And yet Jason stayed at Meredith's house that night.

Danica

04-20-2008, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

And yet Jason stayed at Meredith's house that night. [/*]

Yea, it makes ya wonder why Jason deemed it ok for Meredith to go and rescue Cassidy from the Murder Scene, only to turn right around and stop all contact between CY and her Grandma Linda and Aunt Meredith in the days following the murder. Hmmmmm.....

Danica

04-20-2008, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Speaks volumes doesn't it? [/*]

Sure does, it screams GUILTY to me, JY has not covered this base well at all. His perfect murder plan really is quite transparent when it comes to Cassidy not being allowed to see her Grandma Linda and Aunt Meredith anymore. Poor Michelle, never in a million years did she foresee her own mom not allowed in her daughters life. It is criminal...J M O

Danica

04-20-2008, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Apparently no closer since there still hasn't been an arrest. [/*]

You act like this is the ONLY unsolved murder case in America. It is NOT strange that there hasn't been an arrest, they are in the process of SOLVING it. Why you and your cohorts act like this means Jason is innocent is beyond me, give them time to do their job. And stop criticizing LE, if you can do better step up to the plate. As the old saying goes Put UP or Shut UP. Do you still pay your taxes ? Since you have such disdain for the Sheriffs Office I don't think you'd want to pay their salaries. Or is it just Wake County you find such fault with ? It's getting beyond ridiculous your repetitive posting of derogatory comments concerning LE.
J M O

Danica

04-20-2008, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Again...being accused of murder at your wife's funeral has a way of doing that. [/*]

Well, then don't murder your wife...simple

annalyzer

04-20-2008, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by Danica

Yea, it makes ya wonder why Jason deemed it ok for Meredith to go and rescue Cassidy from the Murder Scene, only to turn right around and stop all contact between CY and her Grandma Linda and Aunt Meredith in the days following the murder. Hmmmmm..... [/*]

No, it makes me wonder why, if during the 911 call the child was saying, "daddy did it" and Meredith was coming to the realization that Jason murdered her sister, would she allow Jason to stay all night in her house and then later ask him if he wanted to move in? Just doesn't make sense. No wonder LE are having such a tough time figuring this one out.

5swab5

04-20-2008, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Being accused of murder at your wife's funeral has a way of doing that. [/*]

Beating your wife to a pulp, has a way of turning your in-laws against you.

MOO

Danica

04-20-2008, 10:52 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by W_D_1

Maybe you missed it but police are PUBLIC officials. They are open to criticism. If you don't like that then maybe a crime based message board isn't the place for you. :punch: [/*][/QUOTE

I am NOT the one finding fault with the Sheriff and their investigation of this case. Maybe this isn't the place for you. You seem to be here solely to vent your personal frustration with your own miserable life by ATTEMPTING to demean the other posters on this board.
As I said just because the case hasn't been solved doesn't mean it won't be and just because JY hasn't been arrested does not mean he won't be.. You constantly post that they haven't solved it, why don't you go apply for a job there if you can do better.
And in the meantime don't make a fool of yourself by presuming to know what message board is for me.You simply aren't equipped to make that call. :punch:

J M O

5swab5

04-20-2008, 10:59 PM

Danica

04-20-2008, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

No, it makes me wonder why, if during the 911 call the child was saying, "daddy did it" and Meredith was coming to the realization that Jason murdered her sister, would she allow Jason to stay all night in her house and then later ask him if he wanted to move in? Just doesn't make sense. No wonder LE are having such a tough time figuring this one out. [/*]

Well, for me listening to the 911 call over the internet doesn't convince me what Cassidy is actually saying. I would have to hear it with special equipment before I would presume to know that for a fact
I also don't know what point in time Meredith realized anything, since I don't know her and have never spoken with her, I don't presume to know what she thought or thinks now for that matter.
I also do not know for a fact where Jason stayed that night, whether or not Meredith wanted him to move in with her. I don't presume to know any of these things. And, if it is all true, the obvious answer would be Meredith wants to keep an eye on her niece, maybe she is afraid JY would hurt her, who knows. What I HAVE heard is Linda Fisher in a televised interview stating that she hopes to be back in Cassidys life sometime soon. That I did hear, and what reason could there be for Jason to stop contact between grandmother and granddaughter other than GUILT. JMO

5swab5

04-20-2008, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

You need a reality check. This board is to discuss ALL aspects of this case, not just the one you think should be discussed. Now why don't you put me on ignore so you won't have to read when I decide to post about Sheriff Donnie and his incompetence because I WILL post about it. [/*]

While I do not understand your disdain for Donnie Harrison, let alone your apparent hatred and distrust for LE in general. Rest assured, here, Donnie is doing just fine.

Elected OR appointed, will make no difference, if he will serve, he will be back in office. Of course, to understand that, you would have to know what we had to put up with before him. He is a Godsend!

MOO

Swabby

Danica

04-20-2008, 11:09 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by W_D_1
Snipped for irrelevance

You are beyond rude, I don't know how you are allowed on this board. As for your snipped out the trash comment you are in error there too, so I fixed it for you

Danica

04-20-2008, 11:18 PM

Snipped for W.D.I. homework assignment:

[\QUOTE]Originally posted by W_D_1

You need a reality check. This board is to discuss ALL aspects of this case, not just the one you think should be discussed. [/*][/QUOTE]

Practice what you preach, your post applies to YOU so study it over the weekend and see if you can comprehend it. If not maybe Sylvan Learning Center would be of help to you. Remember, it's never to late to get an education, especially when you attempt to post on a public message board every 4.3 seconds.
J M O

Danica

04-20-2008, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Look in your mirror. You attack anyone who doesn't kiss your behind. Your first post to me was an attack. You remind me of the schoolyard bully. You can dish it but when you get it back you whine. [/*]

You really are very needy aren't you. I do not attack anyone, lemme splain to ya what is actually happening around here. I post my opinion, everytime YOU are right there with your feeble attempt to discredit me when all I am stating is my opinion. The mirror my friend is where you need to look, you are projecting and it's not pretty.

Danica

04-20-2008, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Practice what you preach, your post applies to YOU so study it over the weekend and see if you can comprehend it. If not maybe Sylvan Learning Center would be of help to you. Remember, it's never to late to get an education, especially when you attempt to post on a public message board every 4.3 seconds.
J M O [/*]

Awwww how sweet. You feel the need to see how often I post. I wonder if that is considered stalking? [/*][/QUOTE]

Whoops OKAY now TIME FOR YOUR HELMET AND MEDICATION

Kat4Eagles

04-20-2008, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

Hi Swabby and Everyone!

JY's family should be ashamed of themselves for returning the gifts Michelle's family sent Cassidy. If the Youngs truly loved her, they wouldn't deprive Cassidy of her mother's family's love. They are hurting her more than they are hurting Michelle's family. Children as young as Cassidy don't understand death, and can view it as abandonment. Does Cassidy feel her grandmother and aunt abandoned her too? Isn't it bad enough that poor child is deprived of her mother's love forever? Must they keep her from the only link she has to her mom?

This will not bode well for the Youngs. Cassidy will undoubtedly resent them when she matures as she wonders why they behaved so cruelly. If JY isn't legally indicted, he and his family will have indicted him through their own callous behavior and blatant disrespect and disdain they are exhibiting for Michelle. If JY is eventually tried, their behavior will also be duly noted.

I hope Michelle's family will seize every opportunity to let Cassidy know how much she is loved, and that they will keep Michelle's memory alive in Cassidy's heart forever.

IMO [/*]

None of this is true, this is nothing but a rumor that C's gifts were returned, you know this as fact.......you saw the receipt from UPS , maybe?

And when the Fishers came unannounced and uninvited it was the Youngs that gave the okay to see her, they did not send them away empty handed or without seeing C.

They visited and gave her presents.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-20-2008, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

And yet Jason stayed at Meredith's house that night. [/*]

That has to blow that theory out of the water!!

Nice catch!!

:)
Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-21-2008, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Speaks volumes doesn't it? [/*]

Sure does.
First C says Daddy did it,,, then after hearing that startling information, the aunt does nothing to keep the child away from the father,

She lets them both stay at her house.
Then she lets C ride off in the sunset with Jason.

Does she call authorities to tell them what C said to her?

And, forget the fact that C does not scream in fear when she sees her Daddywhodidit again.

Makes no sense.

Kat

5swab5

04-21-2008, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

None of this is true, this is nothing but a rumor that C's gifts were returned, you know this as fact.......you saw the receipt from UPS , maybe?

And when the Fishers came unannounced and uninvited it was the Youngs that gave the okay to see her, they did not send them away empty handed or without seeing C.

They visited and gave her presents.

Kat [/*]

IF you are going to call it a "rumor", that Cassidy's Christmas presents were "returned to sender".

Then I think it ONLY fair, that you also call it RUMOR that the Youngs' gave permission to the DayCare Center, for Cassidy's "very OWN maternal relatives to surprise her for her BirthDay......
....
.....

Since, BOTH sets of information came from the EXACT same source.

TIA!

Swabby

MOO

Kat4Eagles

04-21-2008, 12:11 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 5swab5

IF you are going to call it a "rumor", that Cassidy's Christmas presents were "returned to sender".

Then I think it ONLY fair, that you also call it RUMOR that the Youngs' gave permission to the DayCare Center, for Cassidy's "very OWN maternal relatives to surprise her for her BirthDay......
....
.....

Since, BOTH sets of information came from the EXACT same source.

TIA!

Swabby

*************************************

Cool, I will concede they are both rumors.

Your rumors are to make Jason look bad, my rumors are to make Jason look good.

So far, I would say he is holding up pretty well after almost 18 months, countless bad rumors,endless storytelling, numerous alledged murder attempts and all he gets charged with is speeding .

You think maybe that is the only charge they can get against him that will stick.??

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-21-2008, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by W_D_1

The problem is IF Cassidy said daddy did it no one knows what she was talking about. She could have been pointing at something in the room when she said it. Kids that age have very short attention spans.

I sure hope that's not what people are pinning their hopes on.

[/*]

No telling, but why didn't the concerned aunt literally wrap her arms around C and and tell L E there was no way that she could let C go with Jason, after what she heard.
That she would not allow it.
Go to the police station and hear the tape.
Have them listen to what she says. There and then that nite!!
If someone thought their bro~in~law killed their sister, no way would you hand him over his kid.

Kat

5swab5

04-21-2008, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

That has to blow that theory out of the water!!

Nice catch!!

:)
Kat [/*]

Which "theory" would that be? SNooooRT!

Jason Lynn Young arrived in Raleigh hours, and hours and HOURS after being "officially" notified that Michelle & Rylan were dead.

He sent Meredith to his house under the "collect the printout" pretense, not ONLY did Meredith have to discover Michelle's body, deal with the first responders, Law Enforcement, calling the rest of the family, but Cassidy and Mr. Garrison.

BY the time the Brevard entourage made their "sweet time" back to Raleigh, Cassidy was well tucked in for the night, NO THANKS to ANY efforts of Jason or his family.

Jason Lynn Young was "plumb tuckered" out. He went to bed.

The End.

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

04-21-2008, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Sure does.
First C says Daddy did it,,, then after hearing that startling information, the aunt does nothing to keep the child away from the father,

She lets them both stay at her house.
Then she lets C ride off in the sunset with Jason.

Does she call authorities to tell them what C said to her?

And, forget the fact that C does not scream in fear when she sees her Daddywhodidit again.

Makes no sense.

Kat [/*]

Kat,

This may come as a surprise to you, but I promise you..I mean this with all my heart.

We have the luxury of time standing still, through that 911 tape. I hope you never have to find yourself in the same situation that Meredith did that day.

I seriously doubt, that she remembered very much at all about what Cassidy was chattering about in the background. She had more on her plate than I ever wish for either of us.

The enhanced tapes, viewed in retrospect are the difference.

Capiche?

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

04-21-2008, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by W_D_1

But you don't know what Cassidy was referring to if she indeed said daddy did it and neither do the police. [/*]

You are correct. However, Cassidy was chattering away and had HOURS with LE, before the Youngs bothered to make their way back to Raleigh. Plenty of time.

Even tho, some of Cassidy is covered up by the dispatcher, the static and the switch at the end to the other agency, Cassidy is talking, talking, talking away.

Meredith is certainly distracted by what all is going on, because the gravity of the situation is dawning on her, but Cassidy is still chattering away. Probably to this day.

No wonder the Youngs won't let Michelle's Mother or Meredith near her. They would listen.

Surely not "Booty Boy". He only cares ONE thing about Cassidy...keeping her quiet! I think the last 17 months have proven that.

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

04-21-2008, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by W_D_1

A more appropriate comparison is Cynthia Sommer. She didn't act the way some people thought she should and she ended up convicted of murder.

Jason hasn't acted the way you and others want. Instead of realizing that people don't act the same the chants of "guilty" start. Hopefully what happened to Cynthia Sommer won't happen in this case or any others.

If Jason is guilty then prove it with real evidence, not what you think he should act like. [/*]

WAH, WAH. WAH!

This isn't the Cynthia Sommer board either!

I am positive InSessions has one of those going.

TIA!

MOO

Swabby

Oehll

04-21-2008, 01:06 AM

5swab5

04-21-2008, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Yes she had hours with the police. The police also have the technology to enhance the tape on their own and no arrest. My guess is that if she said daddy did it, and I never heard that when I listened to the tape, she was talking about something else.

If she said daddy did it the police would have had her questioned by a licensed psychologist. The 911 tape would have been enough to get a judge to order it. They have never attempted to have her interviewed. That tells me the "daddy did it" isn't what some want it to be. [/*]

I agree to a certain extent,

I think that it wouldn't matter what Cassidy said. She's 2½. What good is it?

There's the impasse.

I believe that what Michelle perceived as "mild depression" in Jason was actually deep pondering about the upcoming murder.

I am convinced that he had an idea, planned, timed & practiced that day, set it in motion, flubbed the strangulation and then improvised.

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

04-21-2008, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Cassidy saying daddy did it on the 911 call backed up by a child psychologists report would be explosive evidence in court. She can't testify but her words can be used and the police aren't investigating it???? [/*]

I never said that they weren't investigating it. The Brevard "spokesman" would have us all believe that Cassidy is "seeing" a councilor. Who knows? I certainly don't.

Just as Jason can deny access to Linda and Meredith, my guess is that until he is arrested he can pick and choose who else talks to Cassidy.

Not the best thing for Cassidy IMO, but this whole mess is NOT about Cassidy. Jason has already proven that.

This whole mess is about Jason Lynn Young saving his own hide.

He can be as quiet as a church mouse, but just wait until Cassidy has an INCH of freedom. She will tell, lots of us did.

MOO

Swabby

SOME of us are lucky enough to get to tell our story right off the bat, some have to wait. It WILL happen!

:rose: For Cassidy

annalyzer

04-21-2008, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by MoonFlwr
Whoever the murderer may be....give the child a present from Grandma FGS!

She doesn't have to even hand it over personally...just tell the child it's from Granny! :shrug: [/*]

ITA!

Kat4Eagles

04-21-2008, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by TIAZ

No? You have proof that none of the above occured?

TIA [/*]

You have any proof that any of the above happened?

TIA

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-21-2008, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Cassidy saying daddy did it on the 911 call backed up by a child psychologists report would be explosive evidence in court. She can't testify but her words can be used and the police aren't investigating it???? [/*]

First .... we are supposed to believe this is a edited version of the tape. like L E would release it with the words Daddydidit on it, like that wouldn't be one of the first things they would edit.

Then we are to believe there is another version of the tape that if you enhance it, you also hear these words.

Maybe we are supposed to play it backwards too.

:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-21-2008, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Cassidy saying daddy did it on the 911 call backed up by a child psychologists report would be explosive evidence in court. She can't testify but her words can be used and the police aren't investigating it???? [/*]

Try this:

Scene 3, Take 4
Location: Driveway of the only sister's home

Officer 1......"What do we got ?"
Officer 2.........Well, I am guessing it was the husband, and since the little girl was found in the home and she may have witnessed the murder, lets's see her reaction to her father when he arrives."

Officer 3: "Where the heck is he anyway?"
Officer 1: "Supposed to have been at a business meeting, then went to see his famliy, they are on the way now"

Officer 2: "Are you sure?"
Officer 3: "Yeah"

Officer 4 rushing over.." I just got a call from the 911 dispatcher at the headquarters, they think the little girl says her father killed her Mom on that tape."

Officer 5, 6 7 arrive on the scene.
"Any word from the husband yet?"

Officer 2: "The family is on the way. Could be hours though yet.
Let's get our s/w's , then go listen to that tape.

Officer 1: "No way can we let that child near him, lets put the child in protective custody till we sort this out."

Officer 4:"Well, how about we wait and see the interaction betwen father and daughter when he gets here.

Officer 1:"Yeah, if he ever gets here".

Fade to black:
Kat

alter ego

04-21-2008, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by TIAZ

No? You have proof that none of the above occured?

TIA [/*]It has to proven true before it can be proven false. Since NONE of that has been proven to have occurred, logic dicates that none of it happened.

Kat4Eagles

04-21-2008, 01:54 PM

Since the dispute of whatever C said or didn't say is not going anywhere, and C is safely back with Jason where she belongs, and L E has no fear of her living with him, it really doesn't mean that much anyway.

I do not hear her say it.
I have not read in any transcript she says it.
L E has never said she says it.

Kat

annalyzer

04-21-2008, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
Since the dispute of whatever C said or didn't say is not going anywhere, and C is safely back with Jason where she belongs, and L E has no fear of her living with him, it really doesn't mean that much anyway.

I do not hear her say it.
I have not read in any transcript she says it.
L E has never said she says it.

Kat [/*]

Transcripts by who? Just because you don't hear it doesn't mean others can't. And LE hasn't said much about anything.

annalyzer

04-21-2008, 03:37 PM

I don't get those cable stations so I don't know what NG or Greta have discussed. Have they discussed this 911 call and if they did what did they say? TIA

Kat4Eagles

04-21-2008, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

I don't remember seeing either discuss the call. [/*]

I think it would have been a much bigger thing if those words were really there.

Like the newspaper headlines in Raleigh would read:
"DADDY DID IT"....

Catherine Crier covered the case in the beginning, when the missing tooth was discovered and reported.

They would have jumped all over this.

If C mentions Daddy at all, we don't know in what context she refers to.

I wanted to mention that Gojo could have had a field day with that Burdette story, or any other story that led away from Jason but he didn't.
All of us JII's, if we wanted to blame someone else besides Jason could be making up stories.
But the truth is "we" don't know who killed Michelle.
And neither do "you."

Case is still on, colder but on.

Kat

Cardinal

04-21-2008, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

~snipped~

All of us JII's, if we wanted to blame someone else besides Jason could be making up stories.
But the truth is "we" don't know who killed Michelle.
And neither do "you."

Case is still on, colder but on.

Kat [/*]

Some of the JIIs HAVE made up stories to blame someone else besides Jason, Kat.

JMO

heathen

04-21-2008, 06:52 PM

No matter how you try to slice it or dice it, "us", "we", "you", "they", JASON LYNN YOUNG murdered his pregnant wife and son. And this, fair posters, is my most unhumble opinion.

Cardinal

04-21-2008, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

~snipped~

I wanted to mention that Gojo could have had a field day with that Burdette story, or any other story that led away from Jason but he didn't.

~snipped~

Kat [/*]

And not that it's relevant to this board, but maybe familial interests took precedence over defending Jason.

JMO

Kat4Eagles

04-21-2008, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Some of the JIIs HAVE made up stories to blame someone else besides Jason, Kat.

JMO [/*]

"We" never made up stories of previous murder attempts though.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-21-2008, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

And not that it's relevant to this board, but maybe familial interests took precedence over defending Jason.

JMO [/*]

I think it shows honesty.

Kat

Cardinal

04-21-2008, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

"We" never made up stories of previous murder attempts though.

Kat [/*]

Stories are stories, Kat. Either there are facts, or there aren't. Innuendo and spin don't cut it for either side, IMHO.

Cardinal

04-21-2008, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I think it shows honesty.

Kat [/*]

Kat, you can hero-worship whomever you choose. That's fine. But it's not evidence.

JMO

Kat4Eagles

04-21-2008, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by heathen
No matter how you try to slice it or dice it, "us", "we", "you", "they", JASON LYNN YOUNG murdered his pregnant wife and son. And this, fair posters, is my most unhumble opinion. [/*]

You just take all the time you need then to get an arrest,
days , weeks , months, even years until you get him.

:rolleyes:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-21-2008, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Kat, you can hero-worship whomever you choose. That's fine. But it's not evidence.

JMO [/*]

Actually, there hasn't been much , if any, evidence, in this case.
Just some CE that can be explained.
And ,if I can explain it , imagine what some hot~shot defense lawyer will do.
This case never ends, does it?
:(

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-21-2008, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Stories are stories, Kat. Either there are facts, or there aren't. Innuendo and spin don't cut it for either side, IMHO. [/*]

I agree, Card, it would be nice if we all had more facts.

Kat

Cardinal

04-21-2008, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Actually, there hasn't been much , if any, evidence, in this case.
Just some CE that can be explained.
And ,if I can explain it , imagine what some hot~shot defense lawyer will do.
This case never ends, does it?
:(

Kat [/*]

Apparently not. And I wish it would, for Michelle's sake. Anyone who was murdered deserves at least that.

Not the least of tragedies in this case, IMO, is the message board cult that surrounds it. And I freely admit to being a part of it.

I don't see any evidence to implicate Meredith, and what little is known points straight to Jason. I'm willing to be wrong. I'd just like to see it solved. Maybe I'm an anomaly here.

But Kat, the length of time is irrelevant. Justice doesn't have a deadline.

JMO

5swab5

04-21-2008, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

You just take all the time you need then to get an arrest,
days , weeks , months, even years until you get him.

:rolleyes:

Kat [/*]

They'll get him, I have no doubt about it.

They'll try him,
A jury of his peers will convict him,
and the Good State of N.C. will lock him up and throw away the key.

Jason ought to be quite the hit at the "Raleigh Hilton", it's probably been a while since most of them have seen a puppet show.

MOO

Swabby

Kat4Eagles

04-21-2008, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by 5swab5

They'll get him, I have no doubt about it.

They'll try him,
A jury of his peers will convict him,
and the Good State of N.C. will lock him up and throw away the key.

Jason ought to be quite the hit at the "Raleigh Hilton", it's probably been a while since most of them have seen a puppet show.

MOO

Swabby [/*]

You keep working on it.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-21-2008, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Apparently not. And I wish it would, for Michelle's sake. Anyone who was murdered deserves at least that.

Not the least of tragedies in this case, IMO, is the message board cult that surrounds it. And I freely admit to being a part of it.

I don't see any evidence to implicate Meredith, and what little is known points straight to Jason. I'm willing to be wrong. I'd just like to see it solved. Maybe I'm an anomaly here.

But Kat, the length of time is irrelevant. Justice doesn't have a deadline.

JMO [/*]

Not so sure about a cult mentality here !!
Definitely some differance on who the killer may be.
Time is definitely not on Michelle's side anymore.
You are right though, she, at the very least, deserves that,
One thing we all agree on that the killer(s) should not have any more time free.

Kat

annalyzer

04-21-2008, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by june1943

A few of the bloggers have transcribed the 911 call. The daddy did it isn't there. [/*]

So what? I transcribed it too and left out the child. Doesn't mean it isn't in there.

annalyzer

04-21-2008, 09:07 PM

The press hasn't been "all over" anything about this case.

annalyzer

04-22-2008, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by W_D_1

The 911 call was aired on Nancy Grace and not one word about daddy did it. And no, I don't believe the sheriff sent out letters or called every single media outlet and told them they couldn't discuss something that was out in the public domain. [/*]

Nothing the child said was in that transcript or discussed by NG, no "she's got booboos everywhere", nothing about the washcloth, nothing.

But the child said those things.

annalyzer

04-22-2008, 12:25 AM

I doubt NG had permission to discuss what the minor child may have said in the call.

annalyzer

04-22-2008, 12:31 AM

You really think NG is going to sit around and guess at what she thinks the child is saying and then talk about it on her show? She'd be open for a lawsuit.

Hey Paula

04-22-2008, 10:29 AM

I honestly believe CY told Meredith and LE what she witnessed and heard that fateful night. I clearly heard CY say "Daddy did it", and I've listened to that tape several times.

Just as Blake told his grandmother and LE what his father did to his Mom, ultimately causing Bobby Cutts to finally lead LE to Jessie's remains, I believe it was what CY related to Meredith and LE which caused them to take a closer look at JY, despite his alibi of being hundreds of miles away.

The 911 tape will likely be powerful evidence when JY is finally tried. That, plus the fact CY is living with her father and his family and that he isn't yet officially named a suspect, might account for why that 911 tape prudently isn't being discussed in that context.

I applaud LE for keeping this case close to their vests. It will undoubtedly assist the process of justice ultimately being properly served for Michelle and her baby boy.

IMO

alter ego

04-22-2008, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by Hey Paula
I honestly believe CY told Meredith and LE what she witnessed and heard that fateful night. I clearly heard CY say "Daddy did it", and I've listened to that tape several times.

Just as Blake told his grandmother and LE what his father did to his Mom, ultimately causing Bobby Cutts to finally lead LE to Jessie's remains, I believe it was what CY related to Meredith and LE which caused them to take a closer look at JY, despite his alibi of being hundreds of miles away.

The 911 tape will likely be powerful evidence when JY is finally tried. That, plus the fact CY is living with her father and his family and that he isn't yet officially named a suspect, might account for why that 911 tape prudently isn't being discussed in that context.

I applaud LE for keeping this case close to their vests. It will undoubtedly assist the process of justice ultimately being properly served for Michelle and her baby boy.

IMO [/*]
I've listened to it too and heard no such thing.

LE looking at Jason is SOP. Remember, they said they have not cleared ANYONE.

LE won't discuss something that just isn't there. If those words were on that tape, it would have been sealed. If those words were on that tape, it would have been included in probable cause warrants.

If the 911 tape with 'daddy did it' on it would be powerful evidence at a trial, how come it hasn't been played for GJ to secure an indictment? :shrug:

alter ego

04-22-2008, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by annalyzer
You really think NG is going to sit around and guess at what she thinks the child is saying and then talk about it on her show? She'd be open for a lawsuit. [/*]
Absolutley she would speculate about it. And then she would go off on her tangent about not being in communist China and having the freedom to say whatever she wants....

alter ego

04-22-2008, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by annalyzer
I doubt NG had permission to discuss what the minor child may have said in the call. [/*]Why would she need permission?

alter ego

04-22-2008, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by Gracia

I know this to be true.

-snip-. [/*]Link to this 'truth' please.

alter ego

04-22-2008, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Hilarious isn't it?

BTW your mailbox is full. [/*]annalyzer typically puts good info on the table and makes me think and rethink my position. I'm curious why s/he thinks Nancy would need permission to discuss what Cassidy is heard saying on the 911 call :)

trash has been taken out :D

alter ego

04-22-2008, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

I was talking about the entire conversation, not just about NG needing permission. I swear I was hearing "Help, I'm stepping into the twilight zone, place is a madhouse" while posting last night. [/*]oh yeah, especially the part about the media swearing not to discuss something.

:lol:

alter ego

04-22-2008, 12:47 PM

Kat4Eagles

04-22-2008, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. I'm not saying there wasn't other important things in the news. I meant there was nothing more important about this case going on at the time.

NANCY GRACE

Mother Who Drowned Children Released by Judge from Mental Hospital

Aired November 10, 2006 - 20:00:00 ET

MEREDITH FISHER, FOUND SISTER`S BODY: I think my sister`s dead.

DISPATCHER: OK, tell me what happened, ma`am.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0611/10/ng.01.html

The 911 call was aired on Nancy Grace and not one word about daddy did it. And no, I don't believe the sheriff sent out letters or called every single media outlet and told them they couldn't discuss something that was out in the public domain. [/*]

And no where, in the transcript, are the words Daddydidit.
And that was when the call was first released.

Thanx for the link, WDI.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-22-2008, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by Gracia
Some quotes from search warrants :

http://www.raleighchannel.com/youngsearchwarrant.pdf

" Young made regular, frequent checks of his voicemail." it says on pg 11 of the pdf of the search warrants.

"Traces of aural content of the voicemail and the answering machine messages as well as erquested electronc contents of the cell phones and other electronic devices and storage media are expected to materially aid in the affiant in reconstruction of the events leading up to the time of the crime and events in the aftermath" it says on pg 23 of the pdf of the search warrants.

" the sibling reported getting a voicemail from Jason Lynn Young about how she was needed to go to the house to retrieve some documents"

"The victims sister came to the house to retrieve a document, which was on the printer from that computer. Once inside she discovered the three year old child of the victim inside the residence. The sister called the Sheriffs office. there was no sign of forced entry." it says on pg 7 of the pdf of the search warrants.

"In the past 3 months Jason Young and Michelle Money have corresponded frequently. In an interview with Michelle Money, she confirmed that she corresponded by phone or email to Jason Young almost daily." it says on pg 15 & 16 of the pdf of the search warrants.

__________________ [/*]

C was not 3 when Michelle was murdered, she was only 2..
She was not 3 until March 29, 2007,almost another 5 months later.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-22-2008, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Your welcome. [/*]

Can you imagine the headlines of the North Carolina newspapers screaming those headlines too?

To release such a powerful admission, if it was true, would have been so damaging to Jason, but posters are saying that LE went ahead and did it anyway? To let any potential juror hear that statement? Then others are saying the call is only on a special enhanced unedited limited edition?
It must be a rare collector's item by now.

Kat

Your PM box was filled the other day, I tried to answer you;
:)

Kat4Eagles

04-22-2008, 01:40 PM

<snipped from Tiaz>

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Gracia said nothing about LE hiding the 'daddydidit" part of the 911 call from LE. [/*][/QUOTE]

_________________________________________-

So, you are saying it was there on the tape that Nancy Grace had but not on the transcript that WDI posted the link for?

Why aren't those words on the transcript?

Nancy took it off?

:biggrin:
Kat

alter ego

04-22-2008, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

I never heard that one. [/*]Neither have I but Gracia knows it to be true.

:shrug:

alter ego

04-22-2008, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

I have no agenda so knock it off, stop trying to bait.

You made a huge assumption, I called you on it and you got caught, now you will get nasty to divert attention away from your error. So predictable.

I agree that we have not heard all of the 911 call. I have stated that before. [/*]

W_D_1 made no error :no:

alter ego

04-22-2008, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

No dear. You are wrong. I dont' believe any rumors here. It is my OPINION that all of the call wasn't released. [/*]
And what do you base your OPINION on?

alter ego

04-22-2008, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Gracia

I see I have been bashed here by several who have taken my post and totally misunderstood what I have said.

I am saying that there is alot of information that has been discovered in this case, that the media is also aware of, but have been asked to with hold from publication!

Also, in regards to the 911 call, it has been professionally enhanced, in order better hear everything said in the background, and this has been with held as well.

I hope this is easier to understand by those of you that have such a difficult time with comprehending statements made by others. [/*]
No one is bashing you.

You stated to know something to be true, specifically that LE requested the media not discuss aspects of the 911 call. I find it incredible that you would know this to be true unless you are the LE that requested it or the media that received the request.

If there was anything on the tape, it would have used for probable cause.

IF, and that's a big IF, WCSO has nothing better to spend their money on than enhancing a 911 tape, then it's really no wonder evidence from the crime scene took over a year to get submitted to the lab and it's no wonder their solve rate is so pathetic.

alter ego

04-22-2008, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

You JII's are really quite nasty. I come in here to post, and was immediately attacked. You act like rabid wolves over here! I felt like I was just fresh meat to attack!!

If you go back and read what I posted today, I said NOTHING to deserve the attacks.

No wonder no one comes here anymore. [/*]:rolleyes:

alter ego

04-22-2008, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by Gracia

See you still aren't understanding what I said. I just posted above as plainly as I can what I said in that post.

And you still have it wrong. [/*]
Which part, exactly, did I get wrong?

alter ego

04-22-2008, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by heathen

Hi, TIAZ! The only reason I come to this board lately is to remind our viewers that JASON LYNN YOUNG MURDERED HIS WIFE AND BABY BOY. Gotta give the occasional reality check, or this place would sink further into the abyss, if that's possible.

ciao for now. [/*]The only thing you are doing is posting libel. :no:

alter ego

04-22-2008, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by Gracia

I agree, TIAZ.
The ones here who support Jason are all about belittling, attacking, rudeness and crudeness. And taking everything out of context.

That says alot when these are the only type of people that support Jason.
Speaks volumes to me. [/*]The belittling, attacking, rudeness and crudeness are put forth by those "claiming" to want justice for Michelle, not from those who want more than character assassination to proclaim someone guilty of murder.

MandyMutton

04-22-2008, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by Gracia

I see I have been bashed here by several who have taken my post and totally misunderstood what I have said.

I am saying that there is alot of information that has been discovered in this case, that the media is also aware of, but have been asked to with hold from publication!

Also, in regards to the 911 call, it has been professionally enhanced, in order better hear everything said in the background, and this has been with held as well.

I hope this is easier to understand by those of you that have such a difficult time with comprehending statements made by others. [/*]

I don't believe what you're claiming is accurate. Evidence enhanced by outsiders is worthless to LE. It is inadmissable.

I know several PIO's and they can't tell the media anything they don't want reported. It's LE policy and I bet it's the same policy everywhere.

MandyMutton

04-22-2008, 03:15 PM

MandyMutton

04-22-2008, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

I compared their behavior with that of rabid wolves. Read before you post.:no: [/*]

it seems to be a more apt description of your behavior. Does all your baiting really accomplish anything worthwhile? Just curious what motivates you.

MandyMutton

04-22-2008, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

No, but yesterday you asked if I was dropped on my head as a baby.

I'd say that was pretty nasty. [/*]

Your false accusations are pretty nasty. :no:

alter ego

04-22-2008, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

I tried Gracia, but it seems that all they want is to contort any posts of differing opinions, then use them to start bickering on the board. [/*]The only one bickering is YOU.

Nothing was distorted or taken out of context. :no:

I asked you what you base your opinion on and instead of trying to discuss the case, you continue your bashfest.

Danica

04-22-2008, 03:46 PM

Bringing this over from yesterdays thread
annalyzer makes a good point

annalyzer
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quote:Originally posted by W_D_1

The 911 call was aired on Nancy Grace and not one word about daddy did it. And no, I don't believe the sheriff sent out letters or called every single media outlet and told them they couldn't discuss something that was out in the public domain. [/*]

Nothing the child said was in that transcript or discussed by NG, no "she's got booboos everywhere", nothing about the washcloth, nothing.

But the child said those things.

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Danica

04-22-2008, 04:05 PM

I posted annalyzers' post because she made a good point. I did not post to continue with your argument with the other posters These posts are not made specifically for you, there are other people here reading BTW
Here it is again:

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Nothing the child said was in that transcript or discussed by NG, no "she's got booboos everywhere", nothing about the washcloth, nothing.

But the child said those things.

Danica

04-22-2008, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by june1943
[QUOTE]Originally posted by W_D_1

I didn't post the transcript for the content. I posted it to show the call was played on her show. She sat and listened to the call and she WOULD NOT have ignored Cassidy saying daddy did it if it existed. [/*][/QUOTE

I don't think she would have ignored it either. She has the bucks behind her to tear that 911 call down and it would be crystal clear.. Cassie never said Daddy did it. IMO [/*]

In annalyzers' post from yesterday, she
made the point that nothing was discussed about what CY said on that show. Not just "daddy did it" but they didn't discuss anything the child is heard saying.

Danica

04-22-2008, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by june1943

Belittling, attacking, rudeness and crudeness. Gee do you not like us? Why are you posting here? There are boards that welcome Jason haters with open arms. Why aren't you there? [/*]

We are here, as we have been from day 1 to discuss the Michelle Young murder case.
jmo

Danica

04-22-2008, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Oh grow up. This is a public board and anyone can reply to what you post. :punch: [/*]

I realize that, and I am grown up

alter ego

04-22-2008, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Nope. Go back and read. Its evident that only JII's are welcome to discuss here anymore. I think since no one posts here anymore ,you attack the first poor soul who shows up, not even knowing why you are attacking. Its kinda funny to watch actually.

CW should just close this thread down, IMO. [/*]
Get a grip, I attacked no one. The only one throwing insults and clearly in attack mode is you.

You obviously don't want to discuss the case as you have yet to answer my question.

alter ego

04-22-2008, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by Danica

In annalyzers' post from yesterday, she
made the point that nothing was discussed about what CY said on that show. Not just "daddy did it" but they didn't discuss anything the child is heard saying. [/*]Did they discuss any aspect of the call?

Danica

04-22-2008, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
Did they discuss any aspect of the call? [/*]

Well, maybe you should just go back and read the transcripts for yourself. I am trying to show the posters who are arguing about the one phrase "daddy did it" that they did not discuss ANYTHING Cassidy is heard saying.

Danica

04-22-2008, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by Blaze

the only ridicule and insulting going on here is by you. Its clear to see from your nasty responses to everyone. [/*]

Absolutely correct, Blaze. It seems to be a ongoing thing with that poster, not sure what his problem is, but it shouldn't be projected here.

alter ego

04-22-2008, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

You may want to go back and read the posts. What you are posting is not even close to the truth. We all see its like walking into the lions den when you try to post here. I certainly wish I had the free time that ya'll seem to have. [/*]
You may want to back up a few yards before you start intimating that I lied. Show me where you answered my question to you "what do you base your opinion on".

:read:

alter ego

04-22-2008, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by Danica

Well, maybe you should just go back and read the transcripts for yourself. I am trying to show the posters who are arguing about the one phrase "daddy did it" that they did not discuss ANYTHING Cassidy is heard saying. [/*]
And I'm saying they didn't discuss ANY aspect of the call which renders your point moot.

Danica

04-22-2008, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

This poster gives what she gets. I know it's trite but if you can't take it don't dish it. It's really that simple. :punch: [/*]

I have NEVER read anyone here that uses the language and hostility that you do.

Danica

04-22-2008, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by Blaze

the call was not analyzed, just listened to. Most of us get what you are trying to say. Sorry you seem to be having so much trouble conveying that to the other posters. Some of us DO get it! [/*]

Thanks, too bad the one arguing about it doesn't acknowledge it.

annalyzer

04-22-2008, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

And no where, in the transcript, are the words Daddydidit.
And that was when the call was first released.

Thanx for the link, WDI.

Kat [/*]

Nowhere in that transcript is anything that the child said. Unless a person in authority declares what the child is heard saying it is pure speculation. NG is not going to speculate what she thinks she hears the minor child saying and then discuss it in front of her viewers. You think she's going to say, "Oh my! I think the child is saying daddy did it!" when LE hasn't even affirmed what the child is saying and Jason hasn't even been named a suspect?? Some idiot said NG has plenty of money to speculate about anything she wishes. Well if she did that one time too many she wouldn't have any money.

Danica

04-22-2008, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
It was in gracia's post to june1943. Not anywhere CLOSE to anything W_D_1 has said.

I have no idea why a couple of posters decided to just start posting one insult after another to those of us who want more than character assassination to call Jason guilty.

:shrug: [/*]

I guess you need to ask W.D.I. why he posts the awful things he does, I have no idea. But, from reading back over these posts today, W.D.I. is the problem here.
JMO

MandyMutton

04-22-2008, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

The posters who claim they hear Cassidy saying daddy did it claim it is clear as a bell. No analysis needed but none of the media heard it? Oh wait.....I forgot. According to Gracia the media was sworn to secrecy over a tape released to the public. [/*]

If LE even tried to get media to swear to secrecy THAT in itself would be a huge story, imo.

Even if the media heard those words, I doubt they'd report it unless it was confirmed by someone else. That's the way they handled comments by Blake Davis, who babbled in the background of Patty's 911 call.

Kat4Eagles

04-22-2008, 04:59 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gracia

<snipped>
I know this to be true.

See, this is the part "we" have problems with.

You know this to be true....

Now, how would you or could you possibly know that?

Because some posters said so, and they sent their copy to LE?

Was that the key thing L E was waiting for?
So, now is there going to be an arrest?

Kat

MandyMutton

04-22-2008, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

You must not watch Nancy Grace. Yes, if she thought she heard that on the tape she would discuss it. Nancy Grace speculates every night. Go read some of her transcripts about the Stacy Peterson case and you'll see plenty of speculation on her part. [/*]

oh yes, Nancy and her guests did speculate a LOT about this case, too. They would say something like "The husband isn't a suspect but......" and then compare him to Scott Peterson.

Danica

04-22-2008, 05:04 PM

[snipped >

QUOTE]Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

So, now is there going to be an arrest?

Kat [/*][/QUOTE]

You know there may very well be an arrest today. It's Grand Jury Day today isn't it ?

Danica

04-22-2008, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

oh yes, Nancy and her guests did speculate a LOT about this case, too. They would say something like "The husband isn't a suspect but......" and then compare him to Scott Peterson. [/*]

LOL, all this arguing about what was analyzed on the Nancy Grace Show is like arguing about what is printed in The Enquirer. JMO

alter ego

04-22-2008, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

Nowhere in that transcript is anything that the child said. Unless a person in authority declares what the child is heard saying it is pure speculation. NG is not going to speculate what she thinks she hears the minor child saying and then discuss it in front of her viewers. You think she's going to say, "Oh my! I think the child is saying daddy did it!" when LE hasn't even affirmed what the child is saying and Jason hasn't even been named a suspect?? Some idiot said NG has plenty of money to speculate about anything she wishes. Well if she did that one time too many she wouldn't have any money. [/*]
Absolutely Nancy Grace would do that. In a heartbeat.

She doesn't need LE to affirm ANYTHING, she just speculates to her hearts desire. She told Larry King that this isn't Communist China and since she's not sitting on a jury she can form an opinion and state it.

alter ego

04-22-2008, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by Danica

You know there may very well be an arrest today. It's Grand Jury Day today isn't it ? [/*]
So? Who said they are hearing evidence in this case :confused:

Danica

04-22-2008, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

So? Who said they are hearing evidence in this case :confused: [/*]

I don't know, who ?

MandyMutton

04-22-2008, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

I agree with the first part but not the second.

Some of what Cassidy said was easily understandable. Some posters who claim they heard daddy did it claimed it was crystal clear. If it was that clear and the media heard it they would report on it. They wouldn't say she said it but that they heard what sounded like.

I don't remember being able to understand anything Blake Davis said during the 911 call but I only listened to it once and didn't follow that case as closely as this one.

But as I said in earlier posts even if Cassidy did say daddy did it doesn't mean she was talking about Michelle. She could have been pointing to a picture hanging on the wall or a toy he'd put together for her or any of a thousand other things. [/*]

You last paragraph is why media wouldn't report it. The risk of a libel lawsuit would be great unless LE or someone else confirmed it, which is how it was handled in the Davis case. Here we are 17 months later and LE hasn't ever mentioned hearing it on the call and they have steadfastly refused to name Jason a suspect.

annalyzer

04-22-2008, 05:11 PM

That's all I have to say on the subject. It seems a few have such thick skulls that they can't comprehend the difference between speculating about adults and speculating what a minor child may have said in a call. hammer

Danica

04-22-2008, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

You last paragraph is why media wouldn't report it. The risk of a libel lawsuit would be great unless LE or someone else confirmed it, which is how it was handled in the Davis case. Here we are 17 months later and LE hasn't ever mentioned hearing it on the call and they have steadfastly refused to name Jason a suspect. [/*]

Have you seen any sign of LE investigating anyone else but Jason Young ?

MandyMutton

04-22-2008, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

And she had no problem declaring Scott Peterson guilty night after night while the trial was taking place. Speculation is what keeps cable news a 24 hour a day business. [/*]

That's true but wasn't Michelle's murder around the same time as the Trenton Duckett case and didn't Melinda's parents accuse Nancy of causing her suicide? I can't remember the timing but maybe Nancy toned it down after that fiasco?

MandyMutton

04-22-2008, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by Danica

Have you seen any sign of LE investigating anyone else but Jason Young ? [/*]

oh yes. Months ago the DA's office made a statement that they were not focused on just one person from the beginning.

Danica

04-22-2008, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

You must not watch Nancy Grace. Yes, if she thought she heard that on the tape she would discuss it. Nancy Grace speculates every night. Go read some of her transcripts about the Stacy Peterson case and you'll see plenty of speculation on her part. [/*]

You sound like you're starting to believe the poster who said the media cannot discuss it ? Hmmmm...maybe she's right, and that means you're wrong LOL:lol: :lol:

Danica

04-22-2008, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

oh yes. Months ago the DA's office made a statement that they were not focused on just one person from the beginning. [/*]

That's not what I asked you. Have you seen evidence that LE is investigating anyone besides Jason Young ?

Danica

04-22-2008, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

I'm not sure on timing but it was a different issue altogether. They accused Nancy Grace of causing MD's suicide because of the way she ambushed MD. [/*]

Tabloidesque ~

MandyMutton

04-22-2008, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

I'm not sure on timing but it was a different issue altogether. They accused Nancy Grace of causing MD's suicide because of the way she ambushed MD. [/*]

Yes but by timing, I meant that Nancy's show seemed to be consumed by the Duckett case. I just pulled up the archives and Nancy had a guest host on one show that covered the Young case.

Danica

04-22-2008, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

It took some amazing spin for you to come up with that conclusion. :lol: :lol: [/*]

Not at all, you took me there. :lol:

Kat4Eagles

04-22-2008, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Danica
[snipped >

QUOTE]Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

So, now is there going to be an arrest?

Kat [/*]

You know there may very well be an arrest today. It's Grand Jury Day today isn't it ? [/*][/QUOTE]

Who is going to be arrested?

Kat

annalyzer

04-22-2008, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

The media speculates about cases involving minor children all the time. They just discussed some of the children in the FLDS case not knowing who their biological parents were. [/*]

LE is discussing it too! hammer hammer hammer

Danica

04-22-2008, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

You know there may very well be an arrest today. It's Grand Jury Day today isn't it ? [/*]

Who is going to be arrested?

Kat [/*][/QUOTE]

Gee, I wonder who ? Hmmmm...
Well, guess we'll have to wait and see.
More waiting KAT :lol: :lol:

MandyMutton

04-22-2008, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by Danica

That's not what I asked you. Have you seen evidence that LE is investigating anyone besides Jason Young ? [/*]

oh yes. Months ago the DA's office made a statement that they were not focused on just one person from the beginning.

Kat4Eagles

04-22-2008, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer
That's all I have to say on the subject. It seems a few have such thick skulls that they can't comprehend the difference between speculating about adults and speculating what a minor child may have said in a call. hammer [/*]

Annalyzer, the difference between this speculation or any other speculating that we do, is that one poster, Gracia, said she knows this to be true about the 911 call.

Could you ask her how she knows that, or is she just speculating that she knows this to be true.?

:shrug:

Kat

Danica

04-22-2008, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

No that would be your mind that took you there and I have no control over where you traipse. [/*]

With all your hammering and yammering about how NG wouldn't let an opportunity go by like that 911 call... the obvious deduction is you don't think she has permission to discuss it. Just like our poster told you :lol: :lol:

MandyMutton

04-22-2008, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

Nancy hosted the show when the 911 call was played. I posted the link to it last night. [/*]

Yes but how do you know Nancy actually listened to that 911 call prior to playing it on her show? I don't think she or her staff would invest time analyzing the background noise in a 911 call or expect her panel of guests to listen to the background. It's worthless until LE says it is of value. LE hasn't done that yet.

Danica

04-22-2008, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Annalyzer, the difference between this speculation or any other speculating that we do, is that one poster, Gracia, said she knows this to be true about the 911 call.

Could you ask her how she knows that, or is she just speculating that she knows this to be true.?

:shrug:

Kat [/*]

Who's this "we", don't speak for me thank you. And why don't you ask for yourself, why ask another poster to ask for you ?
:no:

Kat4Eagles

04-22-2008, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by Danica

Who is going to be arrested?

Kat [/*]

Gee, I wonder who ? Hmmmm...
Well, guess we'll have to wait and see.
More waiting KAT [/*][/QUOTE

You said the GJ was meeting today.

Why would you post that?
We know that they meet on Tuesdays.
So, what happened?
Did they play the 911 call?
Did they get an indictment on C's words?

Kat

Danica

04-22-2008, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by MandyMutton

oh yes. Months ago the DA's office made a statement that they were not focused on just one person from the beginning. [/*]

Have you seen evidence that LE is investigating anyone other than Jason Young in this murder case ?

Danica

04-22-2008, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Gee, I wonder who ? Hmmmm...
Well, guess we'll have to wait and see.
More waiting KAT [/*][/QUOTE

You said the GJ was meeting today.

Why would you post that?
We know that they meet on Tuesdays.
So, what happened?
Did they play the 911 call?
Did they get an indictment on C's words?

Kat [/*]

You should research all of your own questions and get back to us :seeya:

Kat4Eagles

04-22-2008, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by Danica

Who's this "we", don't speak for me thank you. And why don't you ask for yourself, why ask another poster to ask for you ?
:no: [/*]

Maybe she can answer for herself.
I would just like to know how she "knows".

Kat

Danica

04-22-2008, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

That is the obvious deduction when you don't bother to read. When you do actually read you'd see where I said obviously the media didn't hear Cassidy say daddy did it and you wouldn't need to spin spin spin. :punch: [/*]

I read and read and read countless posts of YOURS stating Nancy Grace (your hero) would never let that go by. SO maybe you think she has been forbidden to report on it, just like our poster told you :punch: