Larry King-Interview with the mothers

[wandering]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0804/16/lkl.01.html

They won't answer where their husbands are.

[lotty]

Originally posted by wandering
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0804/16/lkl.01.html

They won't answer where their husbands are. [/*]

I brought that up earlier and was asked if that mattered. I don't think it matters, simple question I would answer it. Even Winston Blackmore says the Fathers should be stepping forward for their children.

[johnielee333]

Originally posted by lotty


I brought that up earlier and was asked if that mattered. I don't think it matters, simple question I would answer it. Even Winston Blackmore says the Fathers should be stepping forward for their children. [/*]

the men dont give a crap about their children or their wive's. all they care about is themself's. they are going to make it look like the women have been in charge the whole 100 years. they are cowards ! :flamemad:

[Details]

After they won't answer where their husbands are, I'd love to ask a few followup questions - how old is your oldest child - name so we can check that? How old are you? How many husbands have you had - have you ever been "reassigned" How many women do you know that have been reassigned (apparently recently 21 men were kicked out, wives "reassigned" to other men - 21 men times how many wives each.

[walton]

At the beginning of the interview Marilyn said that she had one child. One little girl aged 7.

While she was giving the tour of her home, she showed us bedrooms that were for 4 or more children. She kept talking about the children are gone.

She showed us her mothers room which also had 3 other beds for her mothers daughters.

She also showed us a living room that held chairs for at least 20 or more ppl.


Whose children were living with her?

[lotty]

Originally posted by walton
At the beginning of the interview Marilyn said that she had one child. One little girl aged 7.

While she was giving the tour of her home, she showed us bedrooms that were for 4 or more children. She kept talking about the children are gone.

She showed us her mothers room which also had 3 other beds for her mothers daughters.

She also showed us a living room that held chairs for at least 20 or more ppl.


Whose children were living with her? [/*]

Evidently no one named Sarah, or maybe, maybe not. I don't know anymore.

[Details]

Obviously they lie - a lot. The men said no one named Sarah living at the ranch - when it's a very common name in the sect - a bunch of Sarah's, including several of the correct age, were removed from there. I don't believe a word coming out of their mouths unless it's validated by others - because they lie to hide and defend their pedophilic, child abusing way of life.

[walton]

I believe these women say what they are told to say and believe.

:(

[juliekan]

Originally posted by Details
After they won't answer where their husbands are, I'd love to ask a few followup questions - how old is your oldest child - name so we can check that? How old are you? How many husbands have you had - have you ever been "reassigned" How many women do you know that have been reassigned (apparently recently 21 men were kicked out, wives "reassigned" to other men - 21 men times how many wives each. [/*]
I missed that men were recently kicked out...link? Thanks. And I wish you were interviewing them:)

[Details]

Here you go - this is a really interesting bunch of articles from a little while back. It is a practice Jeffs has exercised with increasing frequency; in January 2004 alone, Jeffs' condemned 21 FLDS men in Short Creek to this fate, a move that attracted widespread media attention. http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/story?oid=oid%3A281915

[Carol25]

The woman are told to say they don't know where their husbands are so they can continue to get welfare. I just read that on a link. Never saw a religion that tells you to lie like a thief.:no:

[spirit07]

Originally posted by wandering
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0804/16/lkl.01.html

They won't answer where their husbands are. [/*]

I'm surprised they are giving interviews. I guess they do not see how evasive and deceptive they sound to the public?

KING: Esther, where's your husband?

ESTHER: My children are in that pavilion and my interest is to get them out of the pavilion. I would like...

KING: Where is your husband?

ESTHER: I would like for the children to be returned. I would like to have complete custody of my children. I am an active mother. We are active mothers with our children. They are happy with us. They are happy to be here. And they cried in the shelter. They cried and cried, when are we going to go home? When are we going to get back to normal?

We want them to go home.

KING: Well, they also have -- they have a father. Where is he?

ESTHER: The interest here is to get the children.

KING: You have no interest in your husband?

[wandering]

Originally posted by walton
I believe these women say what they are told to say and believe.

:( [/*]Yes, this is being discussed on NG right now.

I'll post the transcript later.

[wandering]

Originally posted by walton
At the beginning of the interview Marilyn said that she had one child. One little girl aged 7.

While she was giving the tour of her home, she showed us bedrooms that were for 4 or more children. She kept talking about the children are gone.

She showed us her mothers room which also had 3 other beds for her mothers daughters.

She also showed us a living room that held chairs for at least 20 or more ppl.


Whose children were living with her? [/*]i saw only one child's bed in her room. :confused:

[spirit07]

Originally posted by Carol25
The woman are told to say they don't know where their husbands are so they can continue to get welfare. I just read that on a link. Never saw a religion that tells you to lie like a thief.:no: [/*]

Thanks, that makes sense. But when they tally everything up from the compound, I hope it is clear who fathered each child, etc. Maybe they also made some men disapear/leave so they had a more viable claim on welfare? Anyway, I hope they do the DNA tests on all of them although I wonder if this is feasible. The first concern is safety for the children, but there should be fraud charges filed also, evading taxes, etc. What would they charge them with for making a man leave and reassigning his wife?

[wandering]

Originally posted by walton
At the beginning of the interview Marilyn said that she had one child. One little girl aged 7.

While she was giving the tour of her home, she showed us bedrooms that were for 4 or more children. She kept talking about the children are gone.

She showed us her mothers room which also had 3 other beds for her mothers daughters.

She also showed us a living room that held chairs for at least 20 or more ppl.


Whose children were living with her? [/*]I just saw the clip, and you're right, there are other beds in the room. I apologize.

I'm getting the icky feeling that these women are breeders, and they're all warehoused, and too, the children.

Reminds me of a herd of cows and their calves, in the barn. Where do the men sleep?

That's how it looks to me. :(

[tisamystery]

Originally posted by walton
At the beginning of the interview Marilyn said that she had one child. One little girl aged 7.

While she was giving the tour of her home, she showed us bedrooms that were for 4 or more children. She kept talking about the children are gone.

She showed us her mothers room which also had 3 other beds for her mothers daughters.

She also showed us a living room that held chairs for at least 20 or more ppl.


Whose children were living with her? [/*]

I have heard that some children have been brought to the ranch from other sects, left there by their parents. Sad, isn't it? And then they keep saying the children "need their mothers". Well, they don't mind separating them themselves, do they?

Marilyn showed a room in which a young mother lives with her 10 month old "and two little girls". Probably a couple of kids that were relocated without their mothers.

[lotty]

Originally posted by spirit07


Thanks, that makes sense. But when they tally everything up from the compound, I hope it is clear who fathered each child, etc. Maybe they also made some men disapear/leave so they had a more viable claim on welfare? Anyway, I hope they do the DNA tests on all of them although I wonder if this is feasible. The first concern is safety for the children, but there should be fraud charges filed also, evading taxes, etc. What would they charge them with for making a man leave and reassigning his wife? [/*]

IMO It wouldn't surprise me if some of the fathers of these children aren't in Eldorado, haven't been ex-communicated...and are still FLDS.

[wandering]

Originally posted by tisamystery


I have heard that some children have been brought to the ranch from other sects, left there by their parents. Sad, isn't it? And then they keep saying the children "need their mothers". Well, they don't mind separating them themselves, do they?

Marilyn showed a room in which a young mother lives with her 10 month old "and two little girls". Probably a couple of kids that were relocated without their mothers. [/*]LKL is getting closer to the truth tonight. The details are barf

They use the boys for labor in their construction company, and then they kick them out at puberty.

Another ex FLDS woman is on, sorry I didn't get her name, but she said there have been suicides there that aren't really suicides. :chicken:

[tisamystery]

Originally posted by wandering
i saw only one child's bed in her room. :confused: [/*]

There were four. She spoke about her mothers "3 daughters". But I'm confused. That was last night's tour. During the tour tonight she identified another room as her mother's and it had two beds - one for her mother's 5-year-old Down Syndrome son. Strangley, Marilyn didn't refer to this child as her brother. I think Marilyn and her mother share a husband.

[tisamystery]

Originally posted by wandering

Another ex FLDS woman is on, sorry I didn't get her name, but she said there have been suicides there that aren't really suicides. :chicken: [/*]

Kathy Jo Nicholson. A survivor.

[lotty]

Originally posted by tisamystery


There were four. She spoke about her mothers "3 daughters". But I'm confused. That was last night's tour. During the tour tonight she identified another room as her mother's and it had two beds - one for her mother's 5-year-old Down Syndrome son. Strangley, Marilyn didn't refer to this child as her brother. I think Marilyn and her mother share a husband. [/*]

Now try to keep track...It's going to get very confusing IMO. I read somewhere (I'll have to find the link), that some of WJs children were sent there. However he was not on the list of parents.:shrug:

[juliekan]

Originally posted by tisamystery


Kathy Jo Nicholson. A survivor. [/*]
She's on N. Grace right now

[juliekan]

Originally posted by Details
Here you go - this is a really interesting bunch of articles from a little while back. http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/story?oid=oid%3A281915 [/*]
link not going through, Help?? thanks

[spirit07]

Originally posted by sherp


The sect is beset with something called fumarase deficiency - due to intermarriage - it is a retardation issue. where the IQ is about 25. OMG - this is awful. Had no idea this stuff was going on in America. Where are the OLD Women ? Did anysee women who looked beyond middle age? BEds and straight chairs. [/*]

Good point about the OLD women.

[juliekan]

Originally posted by juliekan

link not going through, Help?? thanks [/*]
thanks a lot, Details:)

[wandering]

Originally posted by sherp


The sect is beset with something called fumarase deficiency - due to intermarriage - it is a retardation issue. where the IQ is about 25. OMG - this is awful. Had no idea this stuff was going on in America. Where are the OLD Women ? Did anysee women who looked beyond middle age? BEds and straight chairs. [/*]Marilyn said they have a "grandmother" who darns the children's socks. Good thing she can darn. :chicken:

I saw her on the clip.

[Carol25]

Originally posted by spirit07


Thanks, that makes sense. But when they tally everything up from the compound, I hope it is clear who fathered each child, etc. Maybe they also made some men disapear/leave so they had a more viable claim on welfare? Anyway, I hope they do the DNA tests on all of them although I wonder if this is feasible. The first concern is safety for the children, but there should be fraud charges filed also, evading taxes, etc. What would they charge them with for making a man leave and reassigning his wife? [/*]
If the husband was excommunicated and couldn't take his wife, maybe false imprisonment for not allowing the wife to go. Other than that, I don't know.

[Carol25]

Originally posted by wandering
Marilyn said they have a "grandmother" who darns the children's socks. Good thing she can darn. :chicken:

I saw her on the clip. [/*]
:lol: That was sick, but hit my funny bone. Wasn't expecting that!
Every once in a while we need some humor...

[Freebird]

Originally posted by wandering
Marilyn said they have a "grandmother" who darns the children's socks. Good thing she can darn. :chicken:

I saw her on the clip. [/*]


I don't see what is so strange about a grandmother darning socks.

[wandering]

Here's LKL's transcript for tonight. 130 of the youngest children don't have birth certificates. They have taken DNA samples from the children.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0804/17/lkl.01.html

[wandering]

Originally posted by Freebird



I don't see what is so strange about a grandmother darning socks. [/*]Over 400 children and only one grandmother? She said we have "a grandmother." "We" who? One GM for all of them?

[wandering]

Nancy Grace transcript for tonight.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0804/17/ng.01.html

[spirit07]

Originally posted by wandering
Nancy Grace transcript for tonight.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0804/17/ng.01.html [/*]

If this is true, it's just beyond horrible. I feel sick reading this.

from the transcript:

"(Carolyn) JESSOP: Well, you know, it was from multiple levels. Merrill did a form of water torture on babies, and it was a method he called breaking them, where he would take the baby and spank them until they were screaming out of control, and then he would hold the baby face up under a tap of running water for a minute, maybe as long as a minute, and then he`d take a baby out, spank them again and then the process would just repeat. He`d do this until the baby was just so exhausted, it couldn`t fight anymore. He called it breaking them. And what the method was behind it was to instill an extreme level of fear for their father, but do it at an age that they wouldn`t remember the process that was used to instill that fear."

[wandering]

Originally posted by spirit07


If this is true, it's just beyond horrible. I feel sick reading this.

from the transcript:

"(Carolyn) JESSOP: Well, you know, it was from multiple levels. Merrill did a form of water torture on babies, and it was a method he called breaking them, where he would take the baby and spank them until they were screaming out of control, and then he would hold the baby face up under a tap of running water for a minute, maybe as long as a minute, and then he`d take a baby out, spank them again and then the process would just repeat. He`d do this until the baby was just so exhausted, it couldn`t fight anymore. He called it breaking them. And what the method was behind it was to instill an extreme level of fear for their father, but do it at an age that they wouldn`t remember the process that was used to instill that fear." [/*]How could they think that was OK? The mothers didn't protect their children.

[spirit07]

Originally posted by wandering
How could they think that was OK? The mothers didn't protect their children. [/*]

It seems some might think this is their chance to get out of this life, get their children out?

[juliekan]

Originally posted by spirit07


It seems some might think this is their chance to get out of this life, get their children out? [/*]
At least 6 of the mothers chose to go to a safe house...there's hope

[wandering]

Originally posted by spirit07


It seems some might think this is their chance to get out of this life, get their children out? [/*]They probably don't know how to do that. :shrug:

This is a nightmare. Some of these women have known nothing else.

[wandering]

OMG. When she picked up the little girl's clothes from the bed, she had a slip of paper she took off the clothes, which had the little girl's name on it. The name pinned to the clothes...

[Freebird]

Originally posted by wandering
Over 400 children and only one grandmother? She said we have "a grandmother." "We" who? One GM for all of them? [/*]

I don't know.

[giddyupalw]

IMO...I believe the mothers are not well...they seem to be in some kind of state...just listen to their voices...very scarey to me

[Freebird]

Originally posted by spirit07


I'm surprised they are giving interviews. I guess they do not see how evasive and deceptive they sound to the public?

KING: Esther, where's your husband?

ESTHER: My children are in that pavilion and my interest is to get them out of the pavilion. I would like...

KING: Where is your husband?

ESTHER: I would like for the children to be returned. I would like to have complete custody of my children. I am an active mother. We are active mothers with our children. They are happy with us. They are happy to be here. And they cried in the shelter. They cried and cried, when are we going to go home? When are we going to get back to normal?

We want them to go home.

KING: Well, they also have -- they have a father. Where is he?

ESTHER: The interest here is to get the children.

KING: You have no interest in your husband? [/*]


Not surprisngly,they cried for their mothers.

I wonder why LK kept pushing the "husband" thing.

[Rainkiss]

Originally posted by Freebird



Not surprisngly,they cried for their mothers.

I wonder why LK kept pushing the "husband" thing. [/*]

Probably because she ignored the question the first time. I imagine he was trying to break them out of their mental scripts, trying to get them to actually say something they didn't have planned before they even arrived for the interview.

[Roux]

Originally posted by sherp


The sect is beset with something called fumarase deficiency - due to intermarriage - it is a retardation issue. where the IQ is about 25. OMG - this is awful. Had no idea this stuff was going on in America. Where are the OLD Women ? Did anysee women who looked beyond middle age? BEds and straight chairs. [/*]
I was wondering about that too; the only older woman I've seen was the one baking the bread. And at what age do they stop having babies? Isn't Down Syndrome much more prevalent in mothers over 40? Hard to tell the ages of any of them, but Marilyn's mother looked way past 40.

[tisamystery]

Downs Syndrome can be caused by "old eggs" but it can also be genetic. I know a few 25 year olds who have Down Syndrome babies and went in for genetic testing.

I'm guessing the name pinned on the clothing was because it had been laundered and was a way to get the clothes back to the right kid.

I saw two elderly women baking bread. But as someone pointed out, it must be tough for them without a single comfortable chair to sit in - except the "throne" in the living room which I'm pretty sure is "daddy's chair".

Viewing the program again, I want to clarify my earlier post. Mariliyn did not identify the second room as also being her mother's (Sally's). She just identified it as being Sally's son's. Ooops on me.

And, yes, where are the cemeteries?

[wandering]

Originally posted by Roux

I was wondering about that too; the only older woman I've seen was the one baking the bread. And at what age do they stop having babies? Isn't Down Syndrome much more prevalent in mothers over 40? Hard to tell the ages of any of them, but Marilyn's mother looked way past 40. [/*]Yes, I recall reading many articles that said it may be caused by a lack of folic acid. That's found in fresh vegetables. They give supplements for that now.

[wandering]

Here's a good question, are Marilyn and Sally "sister wives," as well as mother and daughter?

I'm just trying to figure all this out...

[Charity]

Originally posted by tisamystery


I have heard that some children have been brought to the ranch from other sects, left there by their parents. Sad, isn't it? And then they keep saying the children "need their mothers". Well, they don't mind separating them themselves, do they?

Marilyn showed a room in which a young mother lives with her 10 month old "and two little girls". Probably a couple of kids that were relocated without their mothers. [/*]

It made me wonder if perhaps the "young mother" is mother to all three of the children, but those two are old enough that she would have been underage when they were born, so Marilyn didn't identify them as children of that young mother.

I also wonder how old both Marilyn and her mother are and whether some of her siblings are also her step-children. Ick.

You know, Marilyn is really a pretty girl. She could easily be a knockout in a different culture, and I imagine is considered to be one in that sect. I'm serious with this question, not making light at all -- does anyone know if using tweezers is considered vain or something?

I read through the live court blog at the link someone kindly provided. I believe we're seeing only the tip of the iceberg and am afraid that we are going to be further shocked as the investigation and legal proceedings continue.

I wish there were something we could do from afar to help these kids. Maybe once things are settled, if they aren't returned to the compound, there will be a fund established for their needs.

Hello to everyone, by the way. I registered during another trial but haven't posted until today. I love the discussions and appreciate all the information and that there are so many truly caring people here. Have a nice day!

[sofiesmom]

Originally posted by giddyupalw
IMO...I believe the mothers are not well...they seem to be in some kind of state...just listen to their voices...very scarey to me [/*]Yesterday I saw an interview that Ashliegh Banfield did with one of the women who left the sect, and it was either her or one of the two other defectors who were on LKL and NG who said that the way they do their voices is a fairly new thing that they do as a way to mimic Warren Jeffs' vocal mannerisms.

[tisamystery]

Originally posted by sofiesmom
Yesterday I saw an interview that Ashliegh Banfield did with one of the women who left the sect, and it was either her or one of the two other defectors who were on LKL and NG who said that the way they do their voices is a fairly new thing that they do as a way to mimic Warren Jeffs' vocal mannerisms. [/*]

That was Carolyn Jessop. She said it was a recent affectation.

[Zaney1]

My main concern out of this whole mess is if children are being sexually enslaved.

If there are 15 and 16 year old girls that have children of their own, then we have a case here.

If not, I'm not so sure. What is the age of consent in Texas?

[Details]

There's a 16 year old with four children - that's under any age of consent. And plenty of others who are pregnant or have their own children.

IIRC, if married (legally - not a 'spirit wife'), a 16 year old can 'consent' (as shown in the Jeffs trial, they're forced by threatening damnation if they don't have sex) to sex with her husband, with parental consent to the marriage. But most are not legal marriages - only the first wife is.

[Zaney1]

Originally posted by Details
There's a 16 year old with four children - that's under any age of consent. And plenty of others who are pregnant or have their own children.

IIRC, if married (legally - not a 'spirit wife'), a 16 year old can 'consent' (as shown in the Jeffs trial, they're forced by threatening damnation if they don't have sex) to sex with her husband, with parental consent to the marriage. But most are not legal marriages - only the first wife is. [/*]


16 with four children??????????

So she was 12 or 13 when they first raped her, unless any of those children are twins etc.

Regardless, she was well under the age of consent when raped.

[Charity]

Originally posted by Details
There's a 16 year old with four children - that's under any age of consent. And plenty of others who are pregnant or have their own children.

IIRC, if married (legally - not a 'spirit wife'), a 16 year old can 'consent' (as shown in the Jeffs trial, they're forced by threatening damnation if they don't have sex) to sex with her husband, with parental consent to the marriage. But most are not legal marriages - only the first wife is. [/*]

OMG! Sixteen with four kids? Even if she had two sets of twins, that's way, WAY too young to start having babies or to have the capacity to consent in any way, shape or form.

I hope the court orders DNA swabs of every member of that cult and gets to the bottom of this all. Unfortunately, I'm guessing DNA testing might be quite involved considering the limited gene pool involved. I hope the funds and technology are available to get that done.

Those poor little angels. You know, so many children have grown up in situations like this -- cults, sects and religions of all sorts -- with no idea that any of the various practices are wrong (much less illegal) and that there is SO much more to the world than the limited perspective they've been allowed...and the cycle continues with each generation.

It really breaks my heart to think any of those children might ever be returned to that sorry life. :(

[Zaney1]

Go Texas!

If there is a 16 year old with four children, please don't return those other children to be raped.

(Assuming, of course, that the four children were produced by adult men.) Just want to make that clarification.

[witchywoman]

Originally posted by Charity


It made me wonder if perhaps the "young mother" is mother to all three of the children, but those two are old enough that she would have been underage when they were born, so Marilyn didn't identify them as children of that young mother.

I also wonder how old both Marilyn and her mother are and whether some of her siblings are also her step-children. Ick.

You know, Marilyn is really a pretty girl. She could easily be a knockout in a different culture, and I imagine is considered to be one in that sect. I'm serious with this question, not making light at all -- does anyone know if using tweezers is considered vain or something?

I read through the live court blog at the link someone kindly provided. I believe we're seeing only the tip of the iceberg and am afraid that we are going to be further shocked as the investigation and legal proceedings continue.

I wish there were something we could do from afar to help these kids. Maybe once things are settled, if they aren't returned to the compound, there will be a fund established for their needs.

Hello to everyone, by the way. I registered during another trial but haven't posted until today. I love the discussions and appreciate all the information and that there are so many truly caring people here. Have a nice day! [/*]

hello:seeya:

[Details]

Originally posted by Zaney1
16 with four children??????????

So she was 12 or 13 when they first raped her, unless any of those children are twins etc.

Regardless, she was well under the age of consent when raped. [/*]She's been reported on several times. They've never said there were any twins (nor that there weren't).

More recent testimony - the girls don't think there is supposed to be any age limit to be 'married'.

[Zaney1]

Originally posted by Details
She's been reported on several times. They've never said there were any twins (nor that there weren't).

More recent testimony - the girls don't think there is supposed to be any age limit to be 'married'. [/*]


poor little darlin's

[Devotion]

Originally posted by spirit07


If this is true, it's just beyond horrible. I feel sick reading this.

from the transcript:

"(Carolyn) JESSOP: Well, you know, it was from multiple levels.

Merrill did a form of water torture on babies, and it was a method he called breaking them,

where he would take the baby and spank them until they were screaming out of control,

and then he would hold the baby face up under a tap of running water for a minute,

maybe as long as a minute, and then he`d take a baby out, spank them again and then the process would just REPEAT.

He`d do this until the baby was just so exhausted, it couldn`t fight anymore.

He called it breaking them. And what the method was behind it was to instill an extreme level of fear for their father,

but do it at an age that they wouldn`t remember the process that was used to instill that fear." [/*]

ISN'T WATER TORTURE AND CHILD ABUSE AGAINST THE LAW IN OUR COUNTRY?......jmo

[spirit07]

Originally posted by Devotion


ISN'T WATER TORTURE AND CHILD ABUSE AGAINST THE LAW IN OUR COUNTRY?......jmo [/*]

I cringed when I read about the water torture. And to babies? Truly demented. I wish they could prove it. Anyone who would do that should be in prison for life. Then we have the added allegations that boys were sodomized at the age of 5 or 6. What kind of men do all these things? This is not just about old geezers forcing adolescents into marriage and having sex with them.

[spirit07]

Originally posted by Charity


OMG! Sixteen with four kids? Even if she had two sets of twins, that's way, WAY too young to start having babies or to have the capacity to consent in any way, shape or form.[/*]

I know, as someone else pointed out, how old was she with her first child? If none were twins and she got pregnant every 10 months, four times in a row, that would still take almost 3 1/2 years. Seems no way she was older than 13 with the first child, probably younger.

[Top Cat 2]

Gathering up the men

IMO they should also round up all the men/husbands and run their ID's to see just how many are known predators living in the compound surrounded by these innocent babies and probably abusing them. IMO there are many...... and if some are registered pedaphiles and predaters they should be slapped into prison for the maximum time for violating probation. AAAaaaaagggghhhh....Why else would they be there? Hidden away from civilization as we know it and protected by unknown predaters in the name of religion..........:flamemad: I pray that they never send those kids back there and eventually rescue the younger kids that have been allowed to go back........Then stop the welfare and force those women to go to work and earn their living just the same as the rest of us had to do.........Maybe then and only then can we stop this massive abuse of children. Our government has to quit turning their heads away and allowing this to happen and earn their saleries and do what they are paid to do..... CLEAN THIS COUNTRY UP!! ASAP This is of course MOHO.......They make me want to barf ........MOO

[Story]

The women seem to sincere, but brainwashed.

What if you've been raised Jewish, and kept apart from society, and then one day you hear that it is all wrong? Who would you believe?

I see a lot of fear in them.

[Story]

Originally posted by spirit07


If this is true, it's just beyond horrible. I feel sick reading this.

from the transcript:

"(Carolyn) JESSOP: Well, you know, it was from multiple levels. Merrill did a form of water torture on babies, and it was a method he called breaking them, where he would take the baby and spank them until they were screaming out of control, and then he would hold the baby face up under a tap of running water for a minute, maybe as long as a minute, and then he`d take a baby out, spank them again and then the process would just repeat. He`d do this until the baby was just so exhausted, it couldn`t fight anymore. He called it breaking them. And what the method was behind it was to instill an extreme level of fear for their father, but do it at an age that they wouldn`t remember the process that was used to instill that fear." [/*]

I'd really, really like for one of them to try that around me sometime.

You would have to scrape him off the floor with a spatula.

[Devotion]

Originally posted by spirit07

I cringed when I read about the water torture. And to babies?

Truly DEMENTED!.

I wish they could prove it. Anyone who would do that should be in prison for life.

Then we have the added allegations that boys were SODOMIZED at the age of 5 or 6.

What kind of men do all these things?

This is not just about old geezers forcing adolescents into marriage and having sex with them. [/*]

WHY IS:
Child abuse, pedophiles, sodomy, sadist, torture, fraud and lying, lying, lying about everything asked, labeled a religion...and our states call this a religion??

Good question, What kind of men do ALL these things?

IF these practices are religious, about half the people we have in prison need to be let out, as they were in-prisoned for a religious act......jmo

[wandering]

Originally posted by spirit07


I know, as someone else pointed out, how old was she with her first child? If none were twins and she got pregnant every 10 months, four times in a row, that would still take almost 3 1/2 years. Seems no way she was older than 13 with the first child, probably younger. [/*]Sounds like eleven to me. In the 1800s, some women had babies every year. They didn't use birth control...

[wandering]

Originally posted by Story


I'd really, really like for one of them to try that around me sometime.

You would have to scrape him off the floor with a spatula. [/*]Absolutely! :cuss:

[giddyupalw]

Originally posted by Dunlurken
The women looked like the Stepford Wives. JMO. What's with their hair dos?

When this one "person" said she was going to show us her living room, it was a damm auditorium willed with chairs. I about puked.

Thank God those kids are out of there. The trauma they are enduring, and I'm sure they are, is because their mothers are stoopid, ignorant, followers without the capability to think. Granted, they have been raised that way, but it's time someone put a stop to it.

JMO. [/*]

Way to go !!! :beer:

[Glad2CU]

Did anyone else notice the picture of Warren Jeffs on the wall in the dining room?

[sardoodledom]

Originally posted by wandering
Yes, I recall reading many articles that said it may be caused by a lack of folic acid. That's found in fresh vegetables. They give supplements for that now. [/*]

Down's syndrome is a chromosomal disorder and has nothing to do with vitamins.

Neural tube defects like anencephaly and spina bifida have been linked to folic acid deficiency. Maybe that's what you thought of.