Interview with FLDS Women On Greta's Show

[Carol25]

OMG, either I am hearing things, or the women who were being interviewed might have had transmitters on them being told what to say. I could hear a woman's voice during the fragmented sentences. The women keep stopping in the middle of sentences as if they are gathering their thoughts. But I swear I could hear a womans voice during those pauses. After one question , "Do you know of anyone being pregnant at the age of 15 or 16?", I could hear the voice plainly say, "NO."

Anyone else watch this and hear it?

[spirit07]

That would be strange. I didn't watch it, but how could the answer possibly be "No" anyway?

[juliekan]

Originally posted by Carol25
OMG, either I am hearing things, or the women who were being interviewed might have had transmitters on them being told what to say. I could hear a woman's voice during the fragmented sentences. The women keep stopping in the middle of sentences as if they are gathering their thoughts. But I swear I could hear a womans voice during those pauses. After one question , "Do you know of anyone being pregnant at the age of 15 or 16?", I could hear the voice plainly say, "NO."

Anyone else watch this and hear it? [/*]
Missed it, just hit record for the midnight rerun . Thanks.

[Carol25]

Originally posted by spirit07
That would be strange. I didn't watch it, but how could the answer possibly be "No" anyway? [/*]
She was asked "Do you know of anyone.... the voice said "no" but she answered about her own family instead. She clearly struggled with the answer.

Maybe I was hearing things or another channel was bleeding in? :shrug:

[tisamystery]

It runs here at 10:00 PTS. Thanks for the heads up. I'm going to listen REAL CLOSE.

[Freebird]

Originally posted by Carol25

She was asked "Do you know of anyone.... the voice said "no" but she answered about her own family instead. She clearly struggled with the answer.

Maybe I was hearing things or another channel was bleeding in? :shrug: [/*]

Some imagination you have.

[lotty]

It was feedback, there is a delay, between New York(?) and Eldorado...what you were hearing was part of Greta's question.:)
That is why they kept interrupting each other and then pausing.

[Carol25]

Originally posted by tisamystery
It runs here at 10:00 PTS. Thanks for the heads up. I'm going to listen REAL CLOSE. [/*]
Thanks..boy, I hope you hear it! Getting the Dr. phone # out.....

[Carol25]

Originally posted by lotty
It was feedback, there is a delay, between New York(?) and Eldorado...what you were hearing was part of Greta's question.:)
That is why they kept interrupting each other and then pausing. [/*]
You really hear something/ You are not just being nice? I'm not going nuts? Ya sure? :confused:

[Freebird]

Originally posted by Carol25

You really hear something/ You are not just being nice? I'm not going nuts? Ya sure? :confused: [/*]


You thought the men were at the ranch telling the women what to say. :lol:

[Carol25]

Lotty, Lotty, You weren't just being nice, were you? :(

[Carol25]

Originally posted by Freebird



You thought the men were at the ranch telling the women what to say. :lol: [/*]
No, it was a female voice. :( But go ahead and laugh. I deserve it.;)

[lotty]

Originally posted by Carol25

You really hear something/ You are not just being nice? I'm not going nuts? Ya sure? :confused: [/*]

Ha ha ha ha, no you are not going nuts. You could hear parts of her questions, when no one was talking. I heard it too, thinking WTH... but the next time they both were quiet it was Greta's voice. More than likely it was one of the womens microphones picking it up off her ear piece that she was listening to Greta with.

[Carol25]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
They were doing just that, they had to take all their cellies away from them to even get anywhere in their questioning.

Lol carol, yup not on the air just now, unless i missed something, Carol did you put your TinFoil on again????

lol [/*]
That was it! I forgot to take it off! Thanks, CT! :biggrin:

[lotty]

The thing that really bothered me about the 3 different interviews I watched tonight.

They would not answer the questions: What is your last name? Where is your husband? Did you see or do you know of any girls under the age of 16yo that are married or pregnant?

Ok the last one...you don't want to jeopardize your case...the first two questions...please!:punch:

[Carol25]

Originally posted by Freebird



Perhaps Carol should watch out for the black helicopters. [/*]
They are in my backyard right now.

[dicee]

Originally posted by lotty
The thing that really bothered me about the 3 different interviews I watched tonight.

They would not answer the questions: What is your last name? Where is your husband? Did you see or do you know of any girls under the age of 16yo that are married or pregnant?

Ok the last one...you don't want to jeopardize your case...the first two questions...please!:punch: [/*]


Does it really matter what their last names are or where hubby is?

That 3rd question is different.

[Carol25]

Originally posted by lotty
The thing that really bothered me about the 3 different interviews I watched tonight.

They would not answer the questions: What is your last name? Where is your husband? Did you see or do you know of any girls under the age of 16yo that are married or pregnant?

Ok the last one...you don't want to jeopardize your case...the first two questions...please!:punch: [/*]
They forgot what the men told them. :rolleyes:
Tomorrow should be interesting. Do you think the judge will demand DNA tests and there will be a DR. and nurse to take swabs or blood samples right there?

[lotty]

Originally posted by dicee



Does it really matter what their last names are or where hubby is?

That 3rd question is different. [/*]

Does it really matter no. So if it doesn't matter why not answer...are they hiding something?

[Carol25]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I dont know which was more disturbing NG LKL or Greta or AC tonight. I saw all but Gretas, LKL is on again on the east in about 10 minutes. He interviews them. you have to watch this interview.
He was baffled.

Not quite as baffled as AC was tho when that woman compared their plight to Jews and the Holocaust. That was truly embarrassing for her. As she sat there and tried to explain to him she had a degree, in History.
That was last night on AC. The transcript is prolly online.
hammer hammer [/*]
I blogged on that on one of these threads. I wished that Cooper had informed her what the concentration camps were really about and then ask her again if that what it was like when she was with CPS. I would have loved to hear her answer then. With her college degree and all.

[lotty]

Originally posted by Carol25

They forgot what the men told them. :rolleyes:
Tomorrow should be interesting. Do you think the judge will demand DNA tests and there will be a DR. and nurse to take swabs or blood samples right there? [/*]

I have no idea tomorrow could last several days...I can't imagine what tomorrow will be like. Organized chaos? I'm sure it won't be that bad, but I bet the Judge will try to stick pretty close to the schedule.
They need a smiley with a clock on here.

[tisamystery]

Okay, Carol, I just watched Greta. What you heard was Greta's voice on delay. The "no" you heard was "know". Sorry.

[tisamystery]

I also watched Greta, Anderson and Larry. They basically posed the same questions and all tried to get something from "have you seen any underaged girls pregnant . . . or married . . . etc." The women seemed uncomfortable with the questions and all went for the usual CYA response "not that I know of", "not that I'm aware of", "not that I've seen". Which is pretty much code for "yes, but you can't prove I knew." Seems that they're already preparing their defense - "I didn't know."

The manner in which they responded is equally interesting. When asked if they knew of marriages between young girls and older men, the response was a cautious, slow, "I've not seen it." When they were asked if they'd seen young girls having sex with older men, they responded very quickly and emphatically "NO". No need for hedging there because that would probably be the truth. (Perhaps their marriage ceremony takes place with only males present and, I shudder to think, the men also witness the consumation on that marital bed in the temple. Therefore, "Not that I've seen" would be accurate. )

When Larry King asked where their husbands were, they skirted the question. But later Marilyn chose to answer. However, she referred not to her "husband" but rather "her daughter's father". I think many of these women are not going to say they are married.

The women are adamant that there is no abuse at the compound. But, wait. Let's define abuse. If they don't think marrying off 14 year olds is wrong, then it's not abuse to their way of thinking, is it? I wish the interviewers would clarify this point.

The visit to the house was disturbing. No toys, no personal items, no kids art on the fridge. The only pictures in the house were of Warren Jeffs and, presumably other FLDS leaders, sometimes several in a single room. The house (no, it wasn't a home) was very cold and institutional. No personal expression whatsoever. The living room was set up like a seminar. So there you have it: bedrooms devoid of anything but beds, a living room that appears to be more of a classroom, no swing sets outside. Just where do these kids play? And with what?

Interesting that Marilyn's mother lives in the house with them. Hmmmm. Is she also a sister-wife?

I'm not surprised, actually, that the women fear their children are learning about sex from the questioning they're receiving. According to the young lady involved in the Warren Jeffs case she was married off without having had any instruction whatsoever and was horrified when her new husband attempted to have sex with her. Apparently, the children are totally unaware of sex until the day they marry.

The sterile environment really bothers me. The boys are, it seems, trained as construction workers, regardless of their natural talents or interest. The girls, likewise, appear to be trained for nothing more than motherhood and housekeeping. Among a population this large there should be budding artists, writers, musicians, scientists, athletes . . . and yet there appears to be no opportunity for any of this - for either the children or the mothers.

And the women. What DO they do all day? Cleaning a house that is so empty can't take long, especially with four sister wives. Are their days spent receiving lessons? Being propagandized to? This is scary.

[John7878]

Originally posted by lotty


Does it really matter no. So if it doesn't matter why not answer...are they hiding something? [/*]

Lotty if you are EVER questioned by police , whatever you do, do NOT talk to the cops.

Ask for a lawyer and for questions to stop until they get there.

Same with the ladies here.

What would the cops do if they said a 15yr old had a kid 4 years ago?
Take the kid?? Arrest his father?? Arrest the mother?

[John7878]

Originally posted by tisamystery
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Let's define abuse. If they don't think marrying off 14 year olds is wrong, then it's not abuse to their way of thinking, is it? I wish the interviewers would clarify this point.

[/*]

Well then the WHOLE STATE of Texas was guilty up till 3 years ago.

So it was ok for 14yr olds to marry in Texas up to 2004, but then after the law was changed in 2005, now they are going to prosecute people.

Gee lets make more criminals!

NO WONDER 1 out of every 100 people are in prison in the US.

[tisamystery]

Originally posted by John7878


Well then the WHOLE STATE of Texas was guilty up till 3 years ago.

So it was ok for 14yr olds to marry in Texas up to 2004, but then after the law was changed in 2005, now they are going to prosecute people.

Gee lets make more criminals!

NO WONDER 1 out of every 100 people are in prison in the US. [/*]

I don't believe they'll make the law retroactive. I'm sure they'll find several underage who have married since 2004.

My point was that the women insist there IS no abuse. Meaning now. Meaning no abuse according to their definition of abuse. I hope the interviewers will not accept "no abuse" and insist on a specific response that addresses underage marriage since I believe they don't consider marrying at 15 and subsequently having sex at 15 is abuse.

[tisamystery]

I was just reading in the "Link" thread that several of the younger children don't have parents at the compound. This'll be interesting if somebody is collecting welfare by claiming them.

[John7878]

Originally posted by tisamystery


I hope the interviewers will not accept "no abuse" and insist on a specific response that addresses underage marriage since I believe they don't consider marrying at 15 and subsequently having sex at 15 is abuse. [/*]

I don't consider it 'abuse' either. It was legal for 100+ years...but NOW its abuse!?!?!
Take a close look at OUR society and the young kids having kids....heck our high school has a daycare center!!!

Now if they are saying that the minors are FORCED to marry, then I believe that would be abuse.

Do they have proof of that?
And if not, how far is CPS ready to go to try to prove such a thing?

I'm just saying this is gonna be a heck of a can of worms.
I know people just want to judge these people, take their kids and be done with it.
But we need to make sure of what we are doing....and from what I see the state is just steamrolling ahead with this.

But maybe at the trial today they will have more solid info......we'll see.....

:confused:

[withay]

[
The visit to the house was disturbing. No toys, no personal items, no kids art on the fridge. The only pictures in the house were of Warren Jeffs and, presumably other FLDS leaders, sometimes several in a single room. The house (no, it wasn't a home) was very cold and institutional. No personal expression whatsoever. The living room was set up like a seminar. So there you have it: bedrooms devoid of anything but beds, a living room that appears to be more of a classroom, no swing sets outside. Just where do these kids play? And with what?


Just to be a bit of a devil's advocate here.... the reason that there were no family pictures in the homes is because all of the pictures were seized; they were on the search warrant. The intention is to use them to try and establish relationships.
Other than that point, I do agree with you. The homes appear very sterile with no personality. Sort of like a cheap furnished apartment before someone has moved in. Sad to think that 400+ children lived there.

[tisamystery]

Originally posted by withay
[

Just to be a bit of a devil's advocate here.... the reason that there were no family pictures in the homes is because all of the pictures were seized; they were on the search warrant. The intention is to use them to try and establish relationships.
Other than that point, I do agree with you. The homes appear very sterile with no personality. Sort of like a cheap furnished apartment before someone has moved in. Sad to think that 400+ children lived there. [/*]

Thank you. That explains the pictures.

Isn't it disturbing that there is no room for personal expression at YFZ? No choice of hair style, clothing, home decoration. Nothing that distinguishes one from the other.

I did here a former FLDS member say that the women's hairstyle has a function: The higher the "swoop" on the front, the more righteous that woman. Closer to God or some such nonsense. I don't know how this designation works, however, since it seems each woman has the option to swoop up her hair as high as she able, which would make it a self-appointed righteousness - something I would think the cult (and yes I think it is a cult) would frown upon. Anyway, that's what this ex-FLDS couple said.

[awareness]

Originally posted by John7878


I don't consider it 'abuse' either. It was legal for 100+ years...but NOW its abuse!?!?!
Take a close look at OUR society and the young kids having kids....heck our high school has a daycare center!!!

Now if they are saying that the minors are FORCED to marry, then I believe that would be abuse.

Do they have proof of that?
And if not, how far is CPS ready to go to try to prove such a thing?

I'm just saying this is gonna be a heck of a can of worms.
I know people just want to judge these people, take their kids and be done with it.
But we need to make sure of what we are doing....and from what I see the state is just steamrolling ahead with this.

But maybe at the trial today they will have more solid info......we'll see.....

:confused: [/*]

John, society until now has turned a blind eye. With possible exception to the State of Arizona's raid on Short Creek (now AKA Colorado City) back in the 1950's (I think 53). Some men went to prison for a short amount of time for polygamy, but then returned to their families.

Most of the US doesnt understand or know as much about the FDLS/UEP as I do, all's they know are that families are being separated, mothers and children ripped apart. So in the 50's when the raid on Short Creek happened, it became a PR nightmare for the officials in AZ who initiated it because the general public was sympathetic towards images such as these available here: http://extras.sltrib.com/specials/polygamy/shortcreek/Gallery.asp

the officials in Arizona were VOTED OUT of office after the Short Creek raid... men returned to their families, and society again turned a blind eye.

JMO/IMO

[johnielee333]

Originally posted by tisamystery
I also watched Greta, Anderson and Larry. They basically posed the same questions and all tried to get something from "have you seen any underaged girls pregnant . . . or married . . . etc." The women seemed uncomfortable with the questions and all went for the usual CYA response "not that I know of", "not that I'm aware of", "not that I've seen". Which is pretty much code for "yes, but you can't prove I knew." Seems that they're already preparing their defense - "I didn't know."

The manner in which they responded is equally interesting. When asked if they knew of marriages between young girls and older men, the response was a cautious, slow, "I've not seen it." When they were asked if they'd seen young girls having sex with older men, they responded very quickly and emphatically "NO". No need for hedging there because that would probably be the truth. (Perhaps their marriage ceremony takes place with only males present and, I shudder to think, the men also witness the consumation on that marital bed in the temple. Therefore, "Not that I've seen" would be accurate. )

When Larry King asked where their husbands were, they skirted the question. But later Marilyn chose to answer. However, she referred not to her "husband" but rather "her daughter's father". I think many of these women are not going to say they are married.

The women are adamant that there is no abuse at the compound. But, wait. Let's define abuse. If they don't think marrying off 14 year olds is wrong, then it's not abuse to their way of thinking, is it? I wish the interviewers would clarify this point.

The visit to the house was disturbing. No toys, no personal items, no kids art on the fridge. The only pictures in the house were of Warren Jeffs and, presumably other FLDS leaders, sometimes several in a single room. The house (no, it wasn't a home) was very cold and institutional. No personal expression whatsoever. The living room was set up like a seminar. So there you have it: bedrooms devoid of anything but beds, a living room that appears to be more of a classroom, no swing sets outside. Just where do these kids play? And with what?

Interesting that Marilyn's mother lives in the house with them. Hmmmm. Is she also a sister-wife?

I'm not surprised, actually, that the women fear their children are learning about sex from the questioning they're receiving. According to the young lady involved in the Warren Jeffs case she was married off without having had any instruction whatsoever and was horrified when her new husband attempted to have sex with her. Apparently, the children are totally unaware of sex until the day they marry.

The sterile environment really bothers me. The boys are, it seems, trained as construction workers, regardless of their natural talents or interest. The girls, likewise, appear to be trained for nothing more than motherhood and housekeeping. Among a population this large there should be budding artists, writers, musicians, scientists, athletes . . . and yet there appears to be no opportunity for any of this - for either the children or the mothers.

And the women. What DO they do all day? Cleaning a house that is so empty can't take long, especially with four sister wives. Are their days spent receiving lessons? Being propagandized to? This is scary. [/*]

that place is the children's & mother's prison.
it is so sick. :flamemad:

[johnielee333]

Originally posted by John7878


Well then the WHOLE STATE of Texas was guilty up till 3 years ago.

So it was ok for 14yr olds to marry in Texas up to 2004, but then after the law was changed in 2005, now they are going to prosecute people.

Gee lets make more criminals!

NO WONDER 1 out of every 100 people are in prison in the US. [/*]

the legal age of consent to have sex should be 18 all around the USA.

[Details]

Once the legal age was 14 (with both parental, AND a judge's consent - a rare thing). Once slavery was legal. Once it'd be OK to post a job and say it was only for a man to fill. Once it was against the law for a woman to drive without a man on a horse going in front to warn everyone. Lots of bad laws exist, lots of stupid things we used to do change all the time.

[Freebird]

Originally posted by tisamystery


Thank you. That explains the pictures.

Isn't it disturbing that there is no room for personal expression at YFZ? No choice of hair style, clothing, home decoration. Nothing that distinguishes one from the other. [/*]


Isn't that the same with the Amish and Mennonites?

[Rainkiss]

Originally posted by Freebird



Isn't that the same with the Amish and Mennonites? [/*]

Not to the same degree, Freebird. The clothing was subdued and plain, but the girls had different hairstyles... and none of them had that shellshocked look I'm seeing on the faces of these women, although I'm willing to write some of that off to the recent shocks.

There are other differences, too. The Amish near where I grew up attended school along with the rest of us, until after the sixth grade, IIRC. They certainly interacted with us. They might not come over on Friday night to watch the ballgame, but they had their fresh veggie stands (which I REALLY miss). They were open to conversation with outsiders. And when a batch of tornadoes swept through the region, they were willing to lend a hand to help their neighbors rebuild.

[Details]

Amish kids have toys - homemade and simple - but they have toys. The men and women choose their spouses - and they do so when they are both adults. The women are allowed to leave the Amish and their rules behind for awhile when adult, and choose whether or not to come back. Heck, they can do that at any time in their lives - they aren't locked into a compound they cannot leave. So many differences - not even close.



I still want to see an interviewer asking all these women how old they are, how old their oldest child is. More questions they'd likely have trouble answering. How old is their oldest child's child?

[Freebird]

Originally posted by Rainkiss


Not to the same degree, Freebird. The clothing was subdued and plain, but the girls had different hairstyles... and none of them had that shellshocked look I'm seeing on the faces of these women, although I'm willing to write some of that off to the recent shocks.

There are other differences, too. The Amish near where I grew up attended school along with the rest of us, until after the sixth grade, IIRC. They certainly interacted with us. They might not come over on Friday night to watch the ballgame, but they had their fresh veggie stands (which I REALLY miss). They were open to conversation with outsiders. And when a batch of tornadoes swept through the region, they were willing to lend a hand to help their neighbors rebuild. [/*]

Amish tend to have less Freedom of Expression then non-Amish.They tend to dess alike and all ride in black buggies.

[John7878]

Originally posted by johnielee333


the legal age of consent to have sex should be 18 all around the USA. [/*]

I agree with you. I really do.

But if we had that law, how 'enforceable' would it be??

And looking at the kids today, I'd like to plant a size ten right in the back of their pants. LoL

I wish every kid had a dad like Ward Cleaver.

But then you look around and see the reality of the mess of what we actually have. And its sad.


Originally posted by Details
Once the legal age was 14 (with both parental, AND a judge's consent - a rare thing). Once slavery was legal. Once it'd be OK to post a job and say it was only for a man to fill. Once it was against the law for a woman to drive without a man on a horse going in front to warn everyone. Lots of bad laws exist, lots of stupid things we used to do change all the time. [/*]

I agree and lots of bad laws STILL exist.

But what if the law raised the age of consent to 21.

If a girl ends up pregnant at 18, what is our reaction going to be then??

:shrug:

I think its gettin too nice out to be up here with the computer.....see ya folks....

[Details]

Originally posted by Freebird
Amish tend to have less Freedom of Expression then non-Amish.They tend to dess alike and all ride in black buggies. [/*]:shrug: What's your point? These people aren't being investigated for their attire, nor for their lack of freedom of expression. They're being investigated for child abuse.

The near total lack of any freedom or expression - but more so, the lack of any toys or anything for children beyond a scant minimum - is merely a point for conversation, one more sign of the sad lives inflicted on these children and everyone in the cult. And it's miles beyond where the Amish choose to live.

[Details]

Originally posted by John7878
I agree with you. I really do.

But if we had that law, how 'enforceable' would it be??

....

But what if the law raised the age of consent to 21.

If a girl ends up pregnant at 18, what is our reaction going to be then??

:shrug:

I think its gettin too nice out to be up here with the computer.....see ya folks.... [/*]If the law raised the age of consent, and an underage girl ends up pregnant, the same thing should happen now as then. Find out who the father is, and if he's not also underage (there usually is a Romeo and Juliet exception), prosecute. If some group forms an enclave for the purposes of ignoring the law, brainwashing their girls into having sex early with adult men - then you put a stop to it.

Or do you advocate ignoring lawbreakers because it's just too much work to protect our children? The 16 year old with 4 kids - leave her there? And her 12 year old sister to go through the same process - we leave her there as well?

It's not easy - life never is. It never has been either - we simply pay attention to these crimes now, rather than turning a blind eye as happened all too often in the past. Little worth doing is easy.

[spirit07]

I'm not sure why the comparison, but you probably couldn't tell most Mennonites from anyone else. Amish are much more free than this sect also.

http://www.mennoniteusa.org/

http://www.goshen.edu

[Devotion]

Originally posted by CAT TOY

It's all too disturbing.
Yes they did have all their cells confiscated from them
because they would not answer to LE; first they had to
Talk to their Leaders....

Fgs. It's clear they cut those women loose because they could not deal.
The children? That's a different story. They can make a difference there I think. Even if it means a foster family for them; they need medical attention.

I am not swayed one iota by these "women" or bots that this cult has made.
They are very sick women. They dont know it, but they are.

The jeffs trial was really hard for me. I cried during it.
The men who belong to this sect; and who live this FAKE lifestyle for SELF GRATIFICATION,

make me truly ill.

As soon as the MEN leave the compound, as you see,
they all have the latest gadgets, clothes, the trucks,

the expensive SUVs and the children,
have nothing but rote,

the women, nothing but each other.

And they answer to their Mothers on that compound. Much like a concubine would in japan.....
CT [/*]

It is amazing what you can find under the rocks!!!

[spageddy]

The FLDS women who are shown pleaing for the return of their children do not seem to cry real tears. They wipe at their eyes, but do not show any emotion on their faces or in their voices.
The woman I found to be most disturbing is the one with strawberry blonde hair who smiles beatifically while refusing to answer a question about her marriage("That is sacred to me").I find her choice of words interesting. Speaking of her life on the ranch, she says that she has been loved and worked with. WORKED WITH!? Did I hear that correctly? And then she describes her husband as being "patient " with her. As she sweetly (almost coyly) denies any brainwashing- her choice of words say otherwise.

[KatyDid]

Originally posted by spageddy
The FLDS women who are shown pleaing for the return of their children do not seem to cry real tears. They wipe at their eyes, but do not show any emotion on their faces or in their voices.
The woman I found to be most disturbing is the one with strawberry blonde hair who smiles beatifically while refusing to answer a question about her marriage("That is sacred to me").I find her choice of words interesting. Speaking of her life on the ranch, she says that she has been loved and worked with. WORKED WITH!? Did I hear that correctly? And then she describes her husband as being "patient " with her. As she sweetly (almost coyly) denies any brainwashing- her choice of words say otherwise. [/*]

Yep, she really let her brainwash speak slip when she did that interview. She doesn't even realize how brainwashed she is. Would really like to hear what a psychologist had to say about her interview, or a cult deprogramer specialist.

[Devotion]

Originally posted by spageddy
The FLDS women who are shown pleaing for the return of their children do not seem to cry real tears. They wipe at their eyes, but do not show any emotion on their faces or in their voices.

The woman I found to be most disturbing is the one with strawberry blonde hair who smiles beatifically while refusing to answer a question about her marriage("That is sacred to me").
I find her choice of words interesting. Speaking of her life on the ranch, she says that she has been loved and worked with. WORKED WITH!?
Did I hear that correctly? And then she describes her husband as being "patient " with her.
As she sweetly (almost coyly) denies any brainwashing- -her choice of words say otherwise. [/*]

When I saw how different she looked and heard her speak about "worked with", while smiling, the thought crossed my mind that she was born somewhere else.
She didn't look like the others.
Did anyone else notice she seemed different than the rest?........jmo

[Devotion]

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Yeah, they are 'forced' to marry, per Carolyn Jessops book, some are given 24 hrs notice that they are going to be married off to so and so, old dudes, and most don't have a clue about sex.

They find out real fast, married-having sex in some cases in about 48 hrs, the week before they were just kids...how sad IMO.

Jessop says the first time for sex is shocking for them, and the men of course look out for number 1 during sex, and thats it.

Sometimes lasts just a few minutes.

The houses probably DO look like institutions, and thats how a house with 3-4 wives and 48 kids would have to be run if it were to survive..otherwise mass chaos and filth would abound.
...
the other kids have massive cleaning chores and everyone babysits for younger kids. Its no wonder the kids are confused who their parent (mom) is...

Look, the men in this sect/cult/religion.... whatever you want to call it...use women as baby making machines, to increase their numbers, make more money (welfare) and to keep their status within the community.
Status and power plays a big role in this
cult.
Theres a definate heriarchy, not just in the sect but within each household.
Women continually jockeying for power in their own home, favored wives,

and women who can't conceive or no longer are getting pregnant are lower than an ants belly

because their essentially are dead weight....wonder how many little old ladies are in this compound?

And remember, those women age FAST....

I was really intrigued buy the undergarments they wear- and in the Texas heat no less...and why they wear them. I knew someone once who wore undergarments like this (cotton tops and long bottoms, under their clothing and it does not show..).and I always wondered why. Is that an amish thing too? [/*]

Annie, Another excellent post, as usual.

My question is: Where are all the old women? What happens to them after they are unable to bare children?
Where ever they are, My guess is they get NO more SEX!....jmo

[not.another]

Originally posted by Devotion


Annie, Another excellent post, as usual.

My question is: Where are all the old women? What happens to them after they are unable to bare children?
Where ever they are, My guess is they get NO more SEX!....jmo [/*]

Where are all the old women? My guess is, in the kitchen making bread, darning socks, keeping order as to not upset the men...etc. IMO

[not.another]

Originally posted by Aame


They probably have a home of their own. Old ladies home, wher they care for each other.

I'm curious about a cemetary. Have they found one? I haven't heard. [/*]

IIRC there has been a "babyland" found that is on the sect's property. Marked and unmarked graves for the children. I believe that is something they are working on. I do hope that once they figure out who the fathers are for these underage girls that they put then up on a most wanted website or something. They should be found and held accountable.

[Roux]

Originally posted by Aame


They probably have a home of their own. Old ladies home, wher they care for each other.

I'm curious about a cemetary. Have they found one? I haven't heard. [/*]

As for Eldorado specifically, since they've only been there approximately 4 years and since Warren apparently hand-picked those who were sent to reside there, maybe they haven't had any adult deaths?