Wednesday April 16, 2008 Daily Discussion

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10
Rick Sutherland Says:

April 15th, 2008 at 10:11 pm

receptfully snipped.........

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=60

Why would NCIS contact Marias bio parents. Could they be the ones in El Paso? [/*]

Hmm interesting thought.

CS sure seems to think Maria and Cesar both knew why she picked El Paso because he did confirm that it WAS Maria that bought the ticket.

And with Hudson's slip of the tongue by saying CSL was still angry because her husband CHEATED on her suggest that they have uncovered that there indeed was an affair going on between the two of them imo.

imoo

[strick10]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Strick, I snipped out what RS said over there as CW posted earlier that we aren't to bring the words used at JDNews (and I take it also to mean Off the cuff, since they are copyrighted.

But I agree, why would NCIS want to contact her bio-parents. Didn't they give up their parental rights when Maria and Anne were adopted?

I would think if anyone makes contact with them, it should be Mary, Uncle Peter or some other member of the family, not NCIS.

As to the El Paso connection....that's another part of this inquiring puzzle.

jmo [/*]

Thanks Nuttin....hope I don't get in trouble. I'll be careful from now on.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Hmm interesting thought.

CS sure seems to think Maria and Cesar both knew why she picked El Paso because he did confirm that it WAS Maria that bought the ticket.

And with Hudson's slip of the tongue by saying CSL was still angry because her husband CHEATED on her suggest that they have uncovered that there indeed was an affair going on between the two of them imo.

imoo [/*]

Gentle, I've been trying to locate the video (or article) of Dewey Hudson saying 'cheated' and can't seem to find it. Do you remember what interview (the show perhaps) or the PC that he used that word? TIA

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Hmm interesting thought.

CS sure seems to think Maria and Cesar both knew why she picked El Paso because he did confirm that it WAS Maria that bought the ticket.

And with Hudson's slip of the tongue by saying CSL was still angry because her husband CHEATED on her suggest that they have uncovered that there indeed was an affair going on between the two of them imo.

imoo [/*]

You caught that too! I wasn't sure how to take that but I take it the same way you do.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Marcia3


IMO it all goes back to the "catalyst" that occurred during their last meeting...obviously something happened to set off this chain of events that led to murder. An argument is definitely a possibility, IMO. [/*]

I absolutely agree with that. (And Candy, thanks, I always think of you as coining the term 'catalyst' as it relates to this case. It fits perfectly.)

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


How do we know there was no relationship after that for sure?

imoo [/*]

My opinion. This is a theory. I am not discussing facts.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Marcia3


IMO it all goes back to the "catalyst" that occurred during their last meeting...obviously something happened to set off this chain of events that led to murder. An argument is definitely a possibility, IMO. [/*]

Maybe because it was getting closer in time when Christina would be home he kept telling Maria she had to leave and she refused and they got into a major heated argument.

Maybe he told her just because her plans had fallen through she couldn't stay there.

imoo

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Strick, I snipped out what RS said over there as CW posted earlier that we aren't to bring the words used at JDNews (and I take it also to mean Off the cuff, since they are copyrighted.

But I agree, why would NCIS want to contact her bio-parents. Didn't they give up their parental rights when Maria and Anne were adopted?

I would think if anyone makes contact with them, it should be Mary, Uncle Peter or some other member of the family, not NCIS.

As to the El Paso connection....that's another part of this inquiring puzzle.

jmo [/*]

NCIS *may* have contacted them as part of the investigation into her being missing, but before they learned she was dead.

They may have given up their parental rights, but we don't know if Maria ever reinstated contact with them, unbeknownst to Mary and Peter.

Just my .02 and then some.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by strick10


Thanks Nuttin....hope I don't get in trouble. I'll be careful from now on. [/*]
If you want to direct to the exact post over there, just click on the date and the exact link will show in you navigation bar:
http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=60#comment-500

We don't want ya getting in trouble, we wuvs your posts :D

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Maybe because it was getting closer in time when Christina would be home he kept telling Maria she had to leave and she refused and they got into a major heated argument.

Maybe he told her just because her plans had fallen through she couldn't stay there.

imoo [/*]

:eek: You may have a point there.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


You caught that too! I wasn't sure how to take that but I take it the same way you do. [/*]

Yes, Hudson didn't say Christina was having to deal with the fact that her husband had raped someone. He said she was angry because he had cheated on her.

It spoke volumes to what they have now uncovered imo.

imoo

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


And with Hudson's slip of the tongue by saying CSL was still angry because her husband CHEATED on her suggest that they have uncovered that there indeed was an affair going on between the two of them imo.

imoo [/*]

On the flip side - what other word do you think Hudson could have used? He surely could not say CSL was angry because her husband SEXUALLY ASSAULTED Maria. If he had said that, heaven & hell would have traded places for all the people screaming like banshees that Cesar was never officially charged and/or convicted for rape.

He also could not have said that CSL was angry because her husband was "accused" of sexually assaulting Maria - because that gives the impression the accusation offended her, not whether it was true or not.

So given all of that - what OTHER word do you think Hudson could have used, instead of "cheated"?

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Sweatshirt
http://i28.tinypic.com/2elcf8j.jpg [/*]

Thank you!

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


NCIS *may* have contacted them as part of the investigation into her being missing, but before they learned she was dead.

They may have given up their parental rights, but we don't know if Maria ever reinstated contact with them, unbeknownst to Mary and Peter.

Just my .02 and then some. [/*]

What do parental rights have to do with an adult child anyway?

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


NCIS *may* have contacted them as part of the investigation into her being missing, but before they learned she was dead.

They may have given up their parental rights, but we don't know if Maria ever reinstated contact with them, unbeknownst to Mary and Peter.

Just my .02 and then some. [/*]
I think your 2¢ is a good thought!

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


NCIS *may* have contacted them as part of the investigation into her being missing, but before they learned she was dead.

They may have given up their parental rights, but we don't know if Maria ever reinstated contact with them, unbeknownst to Mary and Peter.

Just my .02 and then some. [/*]

Could be cryme...but I'm thinking if NCIS *made* contact with them as part of her being missing, where did NCIS get this information? Wouldn't Maria have had to put that information down on something as in her USMC paperwork or perhaps NCIS asked the Lauterbach family?

Yes, IA Maria could have made contact with them unbeknownst to Mary and Uncle Peter.

jmoo

[strick10]

Originally posted by IvySterling

If you want to direct to the exact post over there, just click on the date and the exact link will show in you navigation bar:
http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=60#comment-500

We don't want ya getting in trouble, we wuvs your posts :D [/*]

Thanks Ivy, I'll do that from now on.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by Mimi428


On the flip side - what other word do you think Hudson could have used? He surely could not say CSL was angry because her husband SEXUALLY ASSAULTED Maria. If he had said that, heaven & hell would have traded places for all the people screaming like banshees that Cesar was never officially charged with rape.

He also could not have said that CSL was angry because her husband was "accused" of sexually assaulting Maria - because that give the impression the accusation offended her, not whether it was true or not.

So given all of that - what OTHER word do you think Hudson could have used, instead of "cheated"? [/*]

That's just it...why did he say anything at all? And because he did, maybe he just got that impression from the "diary" and maybe Maria wasn't the only one?

:shrug:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


:eek: You may have a point there. [/*]

Did she come back there because she knew she could not return to DDs place since the note had already been left.

Did she fear being seen in the city of Jacksonville that evening not knowing if DD had already contacted the MC about the note she had left him?

Did she think she was trapped with no where else to go and expected him to solve it?

imoo

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Could be cryme...but I'm thinking if NCIS *made* contact with them as part of her being missing, where did NCIS get this information? Wouldn't Maria have had to put that information down on something as in her USMC paperwork or perhaps NCIS asked the Lauterbach family?

Yes, IA Maria could have made contact with them unbeknownst to Mary and Uncle Peter.

jmoo [/*]

Well, as Candy opined, maybe Maria had a diary. Or better yet, maybe Maria had an address book?

:shrug:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by strick10


Thanks Ivy, I'll do that from now on. [/*]

So we cannot any words from on there, even with quotes around it and the link? Does that go for LK's blog as well? Somehow I missed CW's post about this. TIA.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Mimi428


On the flip side - what other word do you think Hudson could have used? He surely could not say CSL was angry because her husband SEXUALLY ASSAULTED Maria. If he had said that, heaven & hell would have traded places for all the people screaming like banshees that Cesar was never officially charged and/or convicted for rape.

He also could not have said that CSL was angry because her husband was "accused" of sexually assaulting Maria - because that gives the impression the accusation offended her, not whether it was true or not.

So given all of that - what OTHER word do you think Hudson could have used, instead of "cheated"? [/*]

He could've not said anything at all about CSL being angry.

Or he could've said that CSL was angry because CAL was still in contact with Maria.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Did she come back there because she knew she could not return to DDs place since the note had already been left.

Did she fear being seen in the city of Jacksonville that evening not knowing if DD had already contacted the MC about the note she had left him?

Did she think she was trapped with no where else to go and expected him to solve it?

imoo [/*]
Could there be the possibility that Cesar was not expecting CSL home that day after the party?

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


That's just it...why did he say anything at all? And because he did, maybe he just got that impression from the "diary" and maybe Maria wasn't the only one?

:shrug: [/*]

'Elefino. One possible reason could be that just like the LE investigators, Hudson has seen that the evidence points to Cesar only - but the online polls & message boards have post after post declaring loud & long that Christina MUST have been complicit. Could be that he feels she is being unfairly cast as a villain, when in reality her actions pale to those of her husband.

Could be that he knows in Christina's mind - it was "cheating" - no matter what evidence there may have been to the contrary.

Maybe someday he'll tell us. I dunno. But I sure can't believe that the ONLY reason he said "cheated" is because there is irrefutable evidence of 'cheating' only.

I DO know he would not, under any circumstances, have been able to say "sexually assaulted" - or "raped" - because Cesar was not convicted of rape or sexual assault when Maria was murdered. That would be unprofessional to the core & I just don't think he is that sort of DA.

JMO

[strick10]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


That's just it...why did he say anything at all? And because he did, maybe he just got that impression from the "diary" and maybe Maria wasn't the only one?

:shrug: [/*]

Tag again cryme

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by Mimi428


On the flip side - what other word do you think Hudson could have used? He surely could not say CSL was angry because her husband SEXUALLY ASSAULTED Maria. If he had said that, heaven & hell would have traded places for all the people screaming like banshees that Cesar was never officially charged and/or convicted for rape.

He also could not have said that CSL was angry because her husband was "accused" of sexually assaulting Maria - because that gives the impression the accusation offended her, not whether it was true or not.

So given all of that - what OTHER word do you think Hudson could have used, instead of "cheated"? [/*]

This is why I'm trying to find the video of Hudson saying 'cheated' or even 'allegedly raped' since this is what he is quoted as saying in the presser:

Hudson said he is confident Christina Laurean still loves her husband.

"From all the evidence I have reviewed, I feel confident that she was torn between what occurred and the love of her husband," he said. "She still has love for him. It's obvious."

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/04/11/ddn041108laureanweb.html

Since D.A. Hudson is dealing with the MURDER investigation, imo, he is referring to the murder.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Mimi428


On the flip side - what other word do you think Hudson could have used? He surely could not say CSL was angry because her husband SEXUALLY ASSAULTED Maria. If he had said that, heaven & hell would have traded places for all the people screaming like banshees that Cesar was never officially charged and/or convicted for rape.

He also could not have said that CSL was angry because her husband was "accused" of sexually assaulting Maria - because that gives the impression the accusation offended her, not whether it was true or not.

So given all of that - what OTHER word do you think Hudson could have used, instead of "cheated"? [/*]

Frankly he didn't have to mention any of her woes. It is highly unusual for a DA to divulge private information about a case or a witness. I don't know but he could have said "she has had to resign herself that her husband may have sexually assaulted someone" but he didnt.....he was very clear........he said she was angry because he had cheated on her. If he did not know that was true he would not have used those words and by using "cheated" means he knows Laurean "cheated" on his wife with Maria imo.

imoo

[strick10]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


So we cannot any words from on there, even with quotes around it and the link? Does that go for LK's blog as well? Somehow I missed CW's post about this. TIA. [/*]

That's the way I understand it SS. I missed CW's post as well and you can bet I won't be doing that again.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


So we cannot any words from on there, even with quotes around it and the link? Does that go for LK's blog as well? Somehow I missed CW's post about this. TIA. [/*]
Here's her post from earlier:

Coldwater
Administrator

Registered: Aug 2002
Location:
Posts: 392
just a reminder
The JD News site is copyrighted so you can only use the link, no posts.

If you have complaints about them post it there or use your PM's, we have never condoned the bashing of another site or their posters on our boards. It also is off topic.

Thank you for your cooperation.

04-16-2008 09:24 AM

[baywench]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


I can't go along with that because if they had some sort of romantic relationship, I believe it was very short lived when Maria found out he was married and dumped him. I believe he got mad and obsessive and forced her into sex twice.

There was no relationship after that for sure.

When Maria was there to see Christina and wouldn't leave until she saw her, he killed her.

He would never give up his Marine career for anyone and never were there any plans to leave together.

jmo [/*]

You know I just don't understand your perception that Maria's death will be less horrible or significant if she is proven to be human. JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


This is why I'm trying to find the video of Hudson saying 'cheated' or even 'allegedly raped' since this is what he is quoted as saying in the presser:

Hudson said he is confident Christina Laurean still loves her husband.

"From all the evidence I have reviewed, I feel confident that she was torn between what occurred and the love of her husband," he said. "She still has love for him. It's obvious."

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/04/11/ddn041108laureanweb.html

Since D.A. Hudson is dealing with the MURDER investigation, imo, he is referring to the murder. [/*]

Thanks Lynn,

Is there a video of the press conference.....because he sure said it.

imoo

[strick10]

Originally posted by Mimi428

-respectfully snipped-
Maybe someday he'll tell us. I dunno. But I sure can't believe that the ONLY reason he said "cheated" is because there is irrefutable evidence of 'cheating' only.

I DO know he would not, under any circumstances, have been able to say "sexually assaulted" - or "raped" - because Cesar was not convicted of rape or sexual assault when Maria was murdered. That would be unprofessional to the core & I just don't think he is that sort of DA.

JMO [/*]

But why would he announce to the world anything sexual related that is not part of the murder case? What was he trying to accomplish? Was he trying to embarass CSL or find pity for her?

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


That's the way I understand it SS. I missed CW's post as well and you can bet I won't be doing that again. [/*]

I didn't see her post today either. I did the same thing, strick. I too will not make that mistake again.

imoo

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by baywench


You know I just don't understand your perception that Maria's death will be less horrible or significant if she is proven to be human. JMO [/*]

You are endowed with such magic powers that you know SB believes that? Where did you get such an incredible gift?

:eek:

[Howiefan]

Originally posted by marinewife5


As I understood the email, he was afraid of being convicted without evidence. Not just being convicted. And I'm not certain he was referring to the rape allegation. JMO [/*]
sorry so late in replying but I was also referring to before he fled he said if he was accused of rape he would flee to Mexico..He seemed to be almost paranoid of this charge..
I am not sure of the consensual sex but I do think he raped her at least once..

jmo

[strick10]

Originally posted by Mimi428


You are endowed with such magic powers that you know SB believes that? Where did you get such an incredible gift?

:eek: [/*]

:confused:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Here's her post from earlier:

Coldwater
Administrator

Registered: Aug 2002
Location:
Posts: 392
just a reminder
The JD News site is copyrighted so you can only use the link, no posts.

If you have complaints about them post it there or use your PM's, we have never condoned the bashing of another site or their posters on our boards. It also is off topic.

Thank you for your cooperation.

04-16-2008 09:24 AM [/*]

Thank you very much, Ivy, and strick.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by strick10


But why would he announce to the world anything sexual related that is not part of the murder case? What was he trying to accomplish? Was he trying to embarass CSL or find pity for her? [/*]

I'm thinking he was calling it like it was. I believe he would have used the terminology ALLEGEDLY RAPED, ALLEGED RAPE, RAPE ALLEGATIONS, SEXUAL ASSAULT ALLEGATIONS.....the man is used to the terminology unless we are now to believe he's totally wet behind the ears.

I guess if you believe that they never asked her to contact them if she heard from Cesar....:lol: then that will work.

JMOOC. :tongue:

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by strick10


But why would he announce to the world anything sexual related that is not part of the murder case? What was he trying to accomplish? Was he trying to embarass CSL or find pity for her? [/*]

Good questions. I don't claim to KNOW why Hudson said what he said. But I WILL say that I believe there is more than one possible explanation.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


But why would he announce to the world anything sexual related that is not part of the murder case? What was he trying to accomplish? Was he trying to embarrass CSL or find pity for her? [/*]

Very good question.

Another bizarre twist and turn imo. Highly unusual, unprofessional and way beyond the scope of Laurean and his capture. On the biggest day to announce capture of the fugitive yet it became a PR campaign for CSL.

imoo

[nuttintodo]

In CW's earlier post, she said 'posts'.

Encblogs.com is owned by JDNews, which is where Off the Cuff is. So I take it to mean if no posts can come over from JDNews, that would also include Off the Cuff as well.

Maybe CW will come and clarify the issue.

I wasn't trying to raise a stink but I do not like to see anyone get in trouble and lose their valuable insights to the discussion.

jmoo

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Mimi428


Good questions. I don't claim to KNOW why Hudson said what he said. But I WILL say that I believe there is more than one possible explanation. [/*]

Posters can get ready to throw things at me now but I really believe they all like Christina, a lot. They've met her, spent a lot of time with her, talked to her in-depth, heard her side of the story AND (in my opinion) have some other evidence/verification of some of the things she has told them.

IMO. IMO. IMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Very good question.

Another bizarre twist and turn imo. Highly unusual, unprofessional and way beyond the scope of Laurean and his capture. On the biggest day to announce capture of the fugitive yet it became a PR campaign for CSL.

imoo [/*]

Could it be the rehabilitation of the key witness they must really need? Otherwise, I can't think of a reason.

Again, outside of a DA removed from office, I have never seen a DA try and get a pity party going for the STATE'S COOPERATING WITNESS....JMOOC. :o

[IvySterling]

Did anyone read about the search warrants and how long they can be sealed?
http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
In CW's earlier post, she said 'posts'.

Encblogs.com is owned by JDNews, which is where Off the Cuff is. So I take it to mean if no posts can come over from JDNews, that would also include Off the Cuff as well.

Maybe CW will come and clarify the issue.

I wasn't trying to raise a stink but I do not like to see anyone get in trouble and lose their valuable insights to the discussion.

jmoo [/*]

We all know that you are just trying to protect us Nuttin. Thanks again for the reminder.

But I was under the impression that the blog is not really a part of JDNews and Lindell can pretty much say what he wants over there... like it is his own site. Does it say the blog material is copyrighted?

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Posters can get ready to throw things at me now but I really believe they all like Christina, a lot. They've met her, spent a lot of time with her, talked to her in-depth, heard her side of the story AND (in my opinion) have some other evidence/verification of some of the things she has told them.

IMO. IMO. IMO. [/*]

I did see someone projecting themselves into the role but can't remember who it was for the life of me. Are you thinking that poster is her here posting with us?:confused:

jmo

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by baywench


You know I just don't understand your perception that Maria's death will be less horrible or significant if she is proven to be human. JMO [/*]



:confused: What are you talking about? I have no idea what you mean.

Maria was human.

jmo

[baywench]

Originally posted by Mimi428


You are endowed with such magic powers that you know SB believes that? Where did you get such an incredible gift?

:eek: [/*]

Maybe I am psychic...sometimes I have a very strong feeling of deja vu here. Almost as if we have done this before with different identities. With all due respect Miami, if you have read her posts you could hardly have missed it. IMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I did see someone projecting themselves into the role but can't remember who it was for the life of me. Are you thinking that poster is her here posting with us?:confused:

jmo [/*]

WHAT??????????????????

[baywench]

Originally posted by Squawk Box




:confused: What are you talking about? I have no idea what you mean.

Maria was human.

jmo [/*]

Yes you do and yes she was. JMO

[SavannahStar]

I am SO lost here.......WHO on here was who? :confused: :rolleyes:

[nuttintodo]

Okay...I have found when Dewey used the word 'cheated'.


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?postid=11490672&highlight=cheated#post11490672

nuttintodo
Senior Member

Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Under a Carolina blue sky!
Posts: 3671

"It's clear she's still deeply in love with him, and she is vacillating between loving him and being angry at him for not being faithful to her," the official said. "It's not necessarily illegal for a wife to talk to her husband, but if she had tried to help him in any way, there would have been a problem."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/11...rine/index.html

This article on CNN has since been updated and that statement has been taken out. But I posted as it appeared in the original article on 4/11/08 @ 9:35 am.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Squawk Box
I wonder which prison in NC he will go? I suppose there are more then one. Hope ii is maximum security. [/*]
Here's a link to them all ~ some are for women.

http://www.doc.state.nc.us/dop/index.htm

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


This is why I'm trying to find the video of Hudson saying 'cheated' or even 'allegedly raped' since this is what he is quoted as saying in the presser:

Hudson said he is confident Christina Laurean still loves her husband.

"From all the evidence I have reviewed, I feel confident that she was torn between what occurred and the love of her husband," he said. "She still has love for him. It's obvious."

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/04/11/ddn041108laureanweb.html

Since D.A. Hudson is dealing with the MURDER investigation, imo, he is referring to the murder. [/*]

I never heard the DA say Christina was mad because Cesar cheated.

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Could it be the rehabilitation of the key witness they must really need? Otherwise, I can't think of a reason.

Again, outside of a DA removed from office, I have never seen a DA try and get a pity party going for the STATE'S COOPERATING WITNESS....JMOOC. :o [/*]

Me either. That is like trying to visualizing ADA Rick Distaso coming out in the press and singing Amber's praises just because she was a cooperating witness.:shrug:

Why the big push to try and sell her to the public? Why now after three months of only commenting ......she is a cooperating witness" x 50? Strange turn off events imo. The very next day after they know Laurean is coming back to Jacksonville they are singing her praises. Hmmm is all I can say.

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


WHAT?????????????????? [/*]

I was responding to your post. I didn't need to throw anything either. JMO.:D

[strick10]

Originally posted by IvySterling
Did anyone read about the search warrants and how long they can be sealed?
http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/ [/*]

Seems like Mr. Congressman doesn't even know when Maria reported the rape. He says June.......

Hog Wash I say.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Did she come back there because she knew she could not return to DDs place since the note had already been left.

Did she fear being seen in the city of Jacksonville that evening not knowing if DD had already contacted the MC about the note she had left him?

Did she think she was trapped with no where else to go and expected him to solve it?

imoo [/*]
Good evening, GB :seeya: I've forgotten this, but was Durham even home that evening? I know he was out of state around that time, wasn't he?

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by baywench


Yes you do and yes she was. JMO [/*]

No I don't.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Okay...I have found when Dewey used the word 'cheated'.


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?postid=11490672&highlight=cheated#post11490672

nuttintodo
Senior Member

Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Under a Carolina blue sky!
Posts: 3671

"It's clear she's still deeply in love with him, and she is vacillating between loving him and being angry at him for not being faithful to her," the official said. "It's not necessarily illegal for a wife to talk to her husband, but if she had tried to help him in any way, there would have been a problem."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/11...rine/index.html

This article on CNN has since been updated and that statement has been taken out. But I posted as it appeared in the original article on 4/11/08 @ 9:35 am. [/*]

Thanks for the refresher........so he said "being angry at him for not being faithful to her" instead of "cheated"..........but IMO it is the same thing.

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Mimi428


'Elefino. One possible reason could be that just like the LE investigators, Hudson has seen that the evidence points to Cesar only - but the online polls & message boards have post after post declaring loud & long that Christina MUST have been complicit. Could be that he feels she is being unfairly cast as a villain, when in reality her actions pale to those of her husband.

Could be that he knows in Christina's mind - it was "cheating" - no matter what evidence there may have been to the contrary.

Maybe someday he'll tell us. I dunno. But I sure can't believe that the ONLY reason he said "cheated" is because there is irrefutable evidence of 'cheating' only.

I DO know he would not, under any circumstances, have been able to say "sexually assaulted" - or "raped" - because Cesar was not convicted of rape or sexual assault when Maria was murdered. That would be unprofessional to the core & I just don't think he is that sort of DA.

JMO [/*]

This gift you were posting about....

Is the idea that the DA knows what is in CHRISTINA's mind and that you have figured out how he is dealing with it a better example of what you cited Baywench on? :D

Psychic friends network anyone?:eek:

jmo

[IvySterling]

[i] This article on CNN has since been updated and that statement has been taken out. But I posted as it appeared in the original article on 4/11/08 @ 9:35 am. [/*]
Thanks nuttin, and the cached page with original content is still out there:
http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=%22It%27s+clear+she%27s+still+deeply+in+love+wit h+him%2C+and+she+is+vacillating+between+loving+him +and+being+angry+at+him+for+not+being+faithful+to+ her%2C%22+the+official+said.&fr=*1ie7&u=rss.cnn.com/%7Er/rss/edition_us/%7E3/268369308/index.html&w=%22it%27s+clear+she%27s+still+deeply+in+love+wit h+him+and+she+is+vacillating+between+loving+him+an d+being+angry+at+him+for+not+being+faithful+to+her %22+official+said&d=VWF-lvH_QnwN&icp=1&.intl=us

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Okay...I have found when Dewey used the word 'cheated'.


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?postid=11490672&highlight=cheated#post11490672

nuttintodo
Senior Member

Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Under a Carolina blue sky!
Posts: 3671

"It's clear she's still deeply in love with him, and she is vacillating between loving him and being angry at him for not being faithful to her," the official said. "It's not necessarily illegal for a wife to talk to her husband, but if she had tried to help him in any way, there would have been a problem."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/11...rine/index.html

This article on CNN has since been updated and that statement has been taken out. But I posted as it appeared in the original article on 4/11/08 @ 9:35 am. [/*]

Thanks for posting that.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

Good evening, GB :seeya: I've forgotten this, but was Durham even home that evening? I know he was out of state around that time, wasn't he? [/*]

He was working that day and arrived home around 5:30 pm, iirc.

He probably went by the bank before he came home since it was payday for him too. He probably got off around 4 pm.

imoo

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Thanks for the refresher........so he said "being angry at him for not being faithful to her" instead of "cheated"..........but IMO it is the same thing.

imoo [/*]

Of course it is. I think every one of us used the word "cheated" on this board at the same time it was being reported.

;)

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Thanks nuttin, and the cached page with original content is still out there:
http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=%22It%27s+clear+she%27s+still+deeply+in+love+wit h+him%2C+and+she+is+vacillating+between+loving+him +and+being+angry+at+him+for+not+being+faithful+to+ her%2C%22+the+official+said.&fr=*1ie7&u=rss.cnn.com/%7Er/rss/edition_us/%7E3/268369308/index.html&w=%22it%27s+clear+she%27s+still+deeply+in+love+wit h+him+and+she+is+vacillating+between+loving+him+an d+being+angry+at+him+for+not+being+faithful+to+her %22+official+said&d=VWF-lvH_QnwN&icp=1&.intl=us [/*]

Why would CNN remove that particular statement from their original article?

tia

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Of course it is. I think every one of us used the word "cheated" on this board at the same time it was being reported.

;) [/*]

Well I think we all know what being unfaithful means.:)

imoo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Why would CNN remove that particular statement from their original article?
tia
imoo [/*]
Beats me :shrug:

They did the same thing IIRC with a video and interview notes of Mary Lauterbach making statements regarding Maria

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Thanks nuttin, and the cached page with original content is still out there:
http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=%22It%27s+clear+she%27s+still+deeply+in+love+wit h+him%2C+and+she+is+vacillating+between+loving+him +and+being+angry+at+him+for+not+being+faithful+to+ her%2C%22+the+official+said.&fr=*1ie7&u=rss.cnn.com/%7Er/rss/edition_us/%7E3/268369308/index.html&w=%22it%27s+clear+she%27s+still+deeply+in+love+wit h+him+and+she+is+vacillating+between+loving+him+an d+being+angry+at+him+for+not+being+faithful+to+her %22+official+said&d=VWF-lvH_QnwN&icp=1&.intl=us [/*]

TYVM Ivy!

[martha]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Well I think we all know what being unfaithful means.:)

imoo [/*] ITA no matter what word we use it is all the same thing imho:rose:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Well I think we all know what being unfaithful means.:)

imoo [/*]
If we don't, then we're as 'blind' as CSL :D

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


He was working that day and arrived home around 5:30 pm, iirc.

He probably went by the bank before he came home since it was payday for him too. He probably got off around 4 pm.

imoo [/*]
Thank you and I'm sorry there's too many things to try to remember without going back and rereading everything. Since he did return home about 5:30pm and Maria had bought the bus ticket at 5pm and was basically stuck, I'm with you it's quite possible that's why she returned to CL's house. She couldn't very well return to Durhams after leaving the note. So did she think she was going on the bus that night when she left it?

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Beats me :shrug:

They did the same thing IIRC with a video and interview notes of Mary Lauterbach making statements regarding Maria [/*]

Sheesh this case is so strange in so many ways.

imoo

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Beats me :shrug:

They did the same thing IIRC with a video and interview notes of Mary Lauterbach making statements regarding Maria [/*]

They did the same thing with the first cousin video, the one where the reporter tells Tony Harris that the cousin contacted CNN - not the other way around as they claim now. She also told him that the cousin had seen the report on tv about Cesar fleeing and did not contact the police, but called CNN instead.

:shrug:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


TYVM Ivy! [/*]
YVW nuttin! :)

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I was responding to your post. I didn't need to throw anything either. JMO.:D [/*]

I'm not throwing anything. I didn't understand your post and still don't.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

Thank you and I'm sorry there's too many things to try to remember without going back and rereading everything. Since he did return home about 5:30pm and Maria had bought the bus ticket at 5pm and was basically stuck, I'm with you it's quite possible that's why she returned to CL's house. She couldn't very well return to Durhams after leaving the note. So did she think she was going on the bus that night when she left it? [/*]

I feel those were her intentions at the time but the bus was most likely full due to it being one of the heaviest holiday times when so many Marines were going on a 10 day leave to visit their families, etc.

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by IvySterling

If we don't, then we're as 'blind' as CSL :D [/*]

WHAT??????????????:confused:

:eek: jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I'm not throwing anything. I didn't understand your post and still don't. [/*]

Read the one OF YOURS I responded to and you will have a much better understanding IMO. :seeya:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Of course it is. I think every one of us used the word "cheated" on this board at the same time it was being reported.

;) [/*]

Oh yes we certainly did...there's plenty of them on that same thread....along with the thread from the night before after CAL was arrested.

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


They did the same thing with the first cousin video, the one where the reporter tells Tony Harris that the cousin contacted CNN - not the other way around as they claim now. She also told him that the cousin had seen the report on tv about Cesar fleeing and did not contact the police, but called CNN instead.

:shrug: [/*]

Yet they never correct, omit or retracts any misinformation that Nancy puts out all the time.:D

Go figure.

It is like they are wanting us to think some particular words were never said.:shrug: Why, I wonder?

imo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


They did the same thing with the first cousin video, the one where the reporter tells Tony Harris that the cousin contacted CNN - not the other way around as they claim now. She also told him that the cousin had seen the report on tv about Cesar fleeing and did not contact the police, but called CNN instead.

:shrug: [/*]
Yep, I DID have it here, but now half is gone
http://freeinternetpress.com/story.php?sid=15012

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Read the one OF YOURS I responded to and you will have a much better understanding IMO. :seeya: [/*]

Candy, I re-read it and I guess "they" in my post is misinterpreted? I meant "they" meaning LE/Hudson, etc. But even with "they" meaning "posters" I still don't get YOUR response. Sorry.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Posters can get ready to throw things at me now but I really believe they all like Christina, a lot. They've met her, spent a lot of time with her, talked to her in-depth, heard her side of the story AND (in my opinion) have some other evidence/verification of some of the things she has told them.

IMO. IMO. IMO. [/*]


SAVANNAH, here is the post. See where you say "POSTERS CAN GET READY TO THROW THINGS AT ME"??????....that is where my answer of not having to throw things at you came from. See it?

NEXT, SEE where you talk about posters knowing HER and talking to her???

WELL, that is where my post came from that addressed a poster on here projecting themselves into her life...it was here just the other day....the poster actually said they were doing such.

Now do you understand? :D

If not, maybe a lil nap is in order. :o jmo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


WHAT??????????????:confused:

:eek: jmo [/*]
I was resonding to GB's post "Well I think we all know what being unfaithful means".

NOT understanding what you're confused about.......NOW I'M CONFUSED ABOUT YOU BEING CONFUSED :D

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I feel those were her intentions at the time but the bus was most likely full due to it being one of the heaviest holiday times when so many Marines were going on a 10 day leave to visit their families, etc.

imoo [/*]
If only she'd planned further in advance to get a seat on that bus. :(

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze



It is like they are wanting us to think some particular words were never said.:shrug: Why, I wonder?

imo [/*]
Maybe because so many like us thought why is it she's angry with him being unfaithful but not angry about Maria and the unborn baby being murdered? It didn't paint her in the good light the DA is trying to give.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I was resonding to GB's post "Well I think we all know what being unfaithful means".

NOT understanding what you're confused about.......NOW I'M CONFUSED ABOUT YOU BEING CONFUSED :D [/*]

I wasn't serious Ivy, just laughing about the difference between cheating and being unfaithful.

I seriously know the difference between ALLEGEDLY RAPED and BEING UNFAITHFUL tho. :o

Honest. JMO. Let the confusion end there.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by sunstar

Maybe because so many like us thought why is it she's angry with him being unfaithful but not angry about Maria and the unborn baby being murdered? It didn't paint her in the good light the DA is trying to give. [/*]

I don't know if that's the reason CNN edited their article or not, but I do remember there were a lot of us posters wondering why was CSL so upset about him being 'unfaithful' to her and not about murdering Maria and her baby.

jmoo

:seeya: sun!

[sunstar]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I don't know if that's the reason CNN edited their article or not, but I do remember there were a lot of us posters wondering why was CSL so upset about him being 'unfaithful' to her and not about murdering Maria and her baby.

jmoo

:seeya: sun! [/*]
Hi nuttin :seeya: I've seen the comments in other places too, about her anger over him being unfaithful and not directed toward the murder. I feel LE/DA may have told CNN to redact the article for the image they're giving for Mrs. CL.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Okay...I have found when Dewey used the word 'cheated'.


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?postid=11490672&highlight=cheated#post11490672

nuttintodo
Senior Member

Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Under a Carolina blue sky!
Posts: 3671

"It's clear she's still deeply in love with him, and she is vacillating between loving him and being angry at him for not being faithful to her," the official said. "It's not necessarily illegal for a wife to talk to her husband, but if she had tried to help him in any way, there would have been a problem."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/11...rine/index.html

This article on CNN has since been updated and that statement has been taken out. But I posted as it appeared in the original article on 4/11/08 @ 9:35 am. [/*]

THANK YOU, nuttin!

I just listened to the PC and Mr. Hudson doesn't make any references to 'cheating" so THANK YOU for finding this. The original CNN article can be found at the liveleak link below (about 1/2 way down).

Authorities also seized the wife's diary.

"It's clear she's still deeply in love with him and she is vacillating between loving him and being angry at him for not being faithful to her," the official said. "It's not necessarily illegal for a wife to talk to her husband, but if she had tried to help him in any way, there would have been a problem."

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c49_1207932292

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES



SAVANNAH, here is the post. See where you say "POSTERS CAN GET READY TO THROW THINGS AT ME"??????....that is where my answer of not having to throw things at you came from. See it?

NEXT, SEE where you talk about posters knowing HER and talking to her???

WELL, that is where my post came from that addressed a poster on here projecting themselves into her life...it was here just the other day....the poster actually said they were doing such.

Now do you understand? :D

If not, maybe a lil nap is in order. :o jmo [/*]

Candy, let me be clear (though my post was not, sorry): the word "they" in my post meant LE/Sutherland/Dewey/Brown etc. "THEY" really liked/believed Christina. And all the rest.

I appreciate your humor but at the same time I think you are demeaning the intent of my post, which I still hold fast to my belief that THEY do like her.

:seeya:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by sunstar

Hi nuttin :seeya: I've seen the comments in other places too, about her anger over him being unfaithful and not directed toward the murder. I feel LE/DA may have told CNN to redact the article for the image they're giving for Mrs. CL. [/*]

Remember that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Her anger over him being unfaithful was mentioned. She may had well had anger over the murder, but this was not mentioned.

[nuttintodo]

NP LynnG. Anytime!

I knew I had posted something about the article when it was first put up at CNN.

IIRC, he originally made that comment last Thursday night sometime after CAL was arrested.

So thankfully my mind isn't failing me just yet, LOL.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Remember that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Her anger over him being unfaithful was mentioned. She may had well had anger over the murder, but this was not mentioned. [/*]

But why wouldn't Dewey have said she was also upset about the murder? I know you don't know but it begs the question considering the majority of the general public's perception of CSL.

From my perspective, I would certainly think that his adding that would have helped CSL in some way, wouldn't you think so?

[sunstar]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Remember that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Her anger over him being unfaithful was mentioned. She may had well had anger over the murder, but this was not mentioned. [/*]
You're right, and that's an explanation for why I think the article was changed. Her anger at the murder wasn't mentioned. :)

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Candy, let me be clear (though my post was not, sorry): the word "they" in my post meant LE/Sutherland/Dewey/Brown etc. "THEY" really liked/believed Christina. And all the rest.

I appreciate your humor but at the same time I think you are demeaning the intent of my post, which I still hold fast to my belief that THEY do like her.

:seeya: [/*]

No, I misunderstood it, and bottom line is there really was a poster who said that about projecting; honest. Now I understand the meaning of your post, but did not take THEY to be LE etc...when first reading, call it misunderstanding IMO.

PEACE SAVANNAH. :patriot:

[gaelicpeas]

why would cnn retract it unless it was an error? i don't see the DA having that much pull, although i can speculate that other entities might....

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
NP LynnG. Anytime!

I knew I had posted something about the article when it was first put up at CNN.

IIRC, he originally made that comment last Thursday night sometime after CAL was arrested.

So thankfully my mind isn't failing me just yet, LOL. [/*]

LOL, I wish I had seen your post before I started listening to the PC.

One thing for sure, those CNN articles are magical the way information disappears when they're updated. (That's why I wish we could post entire articles here instead of excerpts, etc.)

[baywench]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


But why wouldn't Dewey have said she was also upset about the murder? I know you don't know but it begs the question considering the majority of the general public's perception of CSL.

From my perspective, I would certainly think that his adding that would have helped CSL in some way, wouldn't you think so? [/*]

I know this not going to be a very popular post in light of all the CSL backing from LE but I think they are packaging her, pure and simple. For some reason they need her to look good. It does now and has always defied belief that she didn't know something. Then they (IMO) gloss over the fact that she was helping him but not turning him in FGS. Ever since the beginning of this the wording used by LE, family and almost everyone involved including Maria has been strange. I can't get my mind around it. My last hope lies with CL squawking like crazy when he gets back. IMO

[Janz]

Originally posted by strick10
Rick Sutherland Says:

April 15th, 2008 at 10:11 pm


I am not sure at what point OCSD/NCIS had contact with Maria’s biological parents. The homicide investigators would know if they had information material to the case and make contact with them at the appropriate time. I can not answer for NCIS.

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=60

Why would NCIS contact Marias bio parents. Could they be the ones in El Paso? [/*]

This was my first thought in the beginning, simply because Mary had advised Maria to give up the baby.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by baywench


I know this not going to be a very popular post in light of all the CSL backing from LE but I think they are packaging her, pure and simple. For some reason they need her to look good. It does now and has always defied belief that she didn't know something. Then they (IMO) gloss over the fact that she was helping him but not turning him in FGS. Ever since the beginning of this the wording used by LE, family and almost everyone involved including Maria has been strange. I can't get my mind around it. My last hope lies with CL squawking like crazy when he gets back. IMO [/*]
I agree with you baywench about trying to put Mrs. CL in the most favorable light because I believe they need her to testify and look truthful in order to get the murder conviction again CL. I too want very much to hear his side of the story since I still think she was involved. MOO :)

[alter ego]

Originally posted by baywench


I know this not going to be a very popular post in light of all the CSL backing from LE but I think they are packaging her, pure and simple. For some reason they need her to look good. It does now and has always defied belief that she didn't know something. Then they (IMO) gloss over the fact that she was helping him but not turning him in FGS. Ever since the beginning of this the wording used by LE, family and almost everyone involved including Maria has been strange. I can't get my mind around it. My last hope lies with CL squawking like crazy when he gets back. IMO [/*]
Why would they be packaging her tho? They already have the GJ indictment. They already got the Mexcian arrest warrant. It could be a year, or more, until a trial starts IF he pleads NotGuilty.

Why package her now?

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Janz


This was my first thought in the beginning, simply because Mary had advised Maria to give up the baby. [/*]
All along I thought it might be CL who knew someone there but it's entirely possible.

[Janz]

Originally posted by sunstar

All along I thought it might be CL who knew someone there but it's entirely possible. [/*]

Just a thought that she may have needed her biological mother since she and Mary may have been at odds about Maria keeping Gabe. She was very young...

[baywench]

Originally posted by alter ego

Why would they be packaging her tho? They already have the GJ indictment. They already got the Mexcian arrest warrant. It could be a year, or more, until a trial starts IF he pleads NotGuilty.

Why package her now? [/*]

That's what I can't figure out Alter. Unless they know she can definitely convict him with her testimony and so they are willing "Overlook" her "Overlooking" a few things?

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Janz


Just a thought that she may have needed her biological mother since she and Mary may have been at odds about Maria keeping Gabe. She was very young... [/*]
I really feel sorry for the position Maria was in, maybe feeling everyone had let her down and not knowing who she could turn to. :(

[Janz]

Originally posted by sunstar

I really feel sorry for the position Maria was in, maybe feeling everyone had let her down and not knowing who she could turn to. :( [/*]


Yes, I believe she was both afraid and terribly lonely!! It just struck me as odd, some of the statements of Mary`s, about the abandonment of Maria and her sister.

[caejde]

Originally posted by Janz



Yes, I believe she was both afraid and terribly lonely!! It just struck me as odd, some of the statements of Mary`s, about the abandonment of Maria and her sister. [/*]

And that is why I wish I would have known Maria. I know what it was like to be a single Marine, pregnant...I was 19 when I got pregnant. I'm only 26 now...I wish I would have had a chance to know her....:(

[Janz]

Originally posted by caejde


And that is why I wish I would have known Maria. I know what it was like to be a single Marine, pregnant...I was 19 when I got pregnant. I'm only 26 now...I wish I would have had a chance to know her....:( [/*]

Isn`t this just the saddest case, caejde?? I wish she had known you!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by alter ego

Why would they be packaging her tho? They already have the GJ indictment. They already got the Mexcian arrest warrant. It could be a year, or more, until a trial starts IF he pleads NotGuilty.

Why package her now? [/*]

It is the beginning of the spin. It has been three months and the DA and LE know full well even with Laurean indicted that many in that county still continue to maintain great suspicion about Christina Laurean.......it simply is not dying down whether he is indicted or being extradicted back..... as I am sure they had hoped. The fervor is still there and it will continue imo. It was like they were trying to get to the calm before the storm.

By them trying to polish her image right in the middle of announcing his arrest and diverting it to more about her than the capture only makes for more suspicion imo. I wonder in the past have they done this concerning other witnesses. I would guess they have not.

I have no doubt there will be leaks when it comes to this case before it comes to trial.

They need this woman. That is so evident imo which causes me to question just how solid this case really is....

But I have noticed when they do vouch for her it is about the homicide only and they remain silent when it comes to commenting on the cover up/clean up where she may have assisted him in the aftermath.

Have they tried to change the buzz about Christina that swirls in their town like a tornado? They tried but IMOO they were not successful and by their effort to do so they have made her even more suspicious than ever.

imoo

[baywench]

Originally posted by caejde


And that is why I wish I would have known Maria. I know what it was like to be a single Marine, pregnant...I was 19 when I got pregnant. I'm only 26 now...I wish I would have had a chance to know her....:( [/*]

I hope we will find out that she did have good friends....they are just not talking JMO

[caejde]

Originally posted by Janz


Isn`t this just the saddest case, caejde?? I wish she had known you! [/*]

It is very sad. My husband doesn't understand why I'm so drawn to this case...I don't even know why to be honest. I've never had a murder or anything upset me the way this has. Of course all murders and such is horrible but for me it was...I don't know how to describe it. I guess because I shared an unwritten bond with her being a Marine myself and also being a mother at a young age and surviving. I know our situations weren't the same but the fact is she was alone and pregnant and I can relate to that.

[caejde]

Originally posted by baywench


I hope we will find out that she did have good friends....they are just not talking JMO [/*]

I'm sure! And I can't say I blame them for not talking.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by caejde


And that is why I wish I would have known Maria. I know what it was like to be a single Marine, pregnant...I was 19 when I got pregnant. I'm only 26 now...I wish I would have had a chance to know her....:( [/*]
I think a lot of us wish we'd had that chance to know and help her. The last thing she needed was for someone to be suggesting she give up the baby when she herself was adopted.

[Janz]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


It is the beginning of the spin. It has been three months and the DA and LE know full well even with Laurean indicted that many in that county still continue to maintain great suspicion about Christina Laurean.......it simply is not dying down whether he is indicted or being extradicted back..... as I am sure they had hoped. The fervor is still there and it will continue imo. It was like they were trying to get to the calm before the storm.

By them trying to polish her image right in the middle of announcing his arrest and diverting it to more about her than the capture only makes for more suspicion imo. I wonder in the past have they done this concerning other witnesses. I would guess they have not.

I have no doubt there will be leaks when it comes to this case before it comes to trial.

They need this woman. That is so evident imo which causes me to question just how solid this case really is....

But I have noticed when they do vouch for her it is about the homicide only and they remain silent when it comes to commenting on the cover up/clean up where she may have assisted him in the aftermath.

Have they tried to change the buzz about Christina that swirls in their town like a tornado? They tried but IMOO they were not successful and by their effort to do so they have made her even more suspicious than ever.

imoo [/*]

IA, GentleBreeze.

[Janz]

Originally posted by caejde


It is very sad. My husband doesn't understand why I'm so drawn to this case...I don't even know why to be honest. I've never had a murder or anything upset me the way this has. Of course all murders and such is horrible but for me it was...I don't know how to describe it. I guess because I shared an unwritten bond with her being a Marine myself and also being a mother at a young age and surviving. I know our situations weren't the same but the fact is she was alone and pregnant and I can relate to that. [/*]

Same here, Caejde. I am twice your age, have no experience with being a Marine and have never felt so very deeply about a case!!

It`s just so disheartening to know a Marine could do such a horrible thing to a fellow Marine.

[baywench]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


It is the beginning of the spin. It has been three months and the DA and LE know full well even with Laurean indicted that many in that county still continue to maintain great suspicion about Christina Laurean.......it simply is not dying down whether he is indicted or being extradicted back..... as I am sure they had hoped. The fervor is still there and it will continue imo. It was like they were trying to get to the calm before the storm.

By them trying to polish her image right in the middle of announcing his arrest and diverting it to more about her than the capture only makes for more suspicion imo. I wonder in the past have they done this concerning other witnesses. I would guess they have not.

I have no doubt there will be leaks when it comes to this case before it comes to trial.

They need this woman. That is so evident imo which causes me to question just how solid this case really is....

But I have noticed when they do vouch for her it is about the homicide only and they remain silent when it comes to commenting on the cover up/clean up where she may have assisted him in the aftermath.

Have they tried to change the buzz about Christina that swirls in their town like a tornado? They tried but IMOO they were not successful and by their effort to do so they have made her even more suspicious than ever.

imoo [/*]

Great post GB and all so true. You are right. I need to take heart that there is much still to be learned here. IMO

[caejde]

Originally posted by Janz


Same here, Caejde. I am twice your age, have no experience with being a Marine and have never felt so very deeply about a case!!

It`s just so disheartening to know a Marine could do such a horrible thing to a fellow Marine. [/*]

It is disheartening...this isn't what the Marine Corps is about. We are supposed to have each other's back...not kill each other.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by caejde


It is disheartening...this isn't what the Marine Corps is about. We are supposed to have each other's back...not kill each other. [/*]
So true, and that's part of what makes Maria's death so sad.

Have a good night everyone! :seeya:

[Janz]

Originally posted by caejde


It is disheartening...this isn't what the Marine Corps is about. We are supposed to have each other's back...not kill each other. [/*]

I am hoping soon we`ll hear if he will agree to extradition, and the leaks GB mentioned, that will surely happen.

[Janz]

Originally posted by sunstar

So true, and that's part of what makes Maria's death so sad.

Have a good night everyone! :seeya: [/*]

G`nite sunstar!

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by sunstar

So true, and that's part of what makes Maria's death so sad.

Have a good night everyone! :seeya: [/*]
:seeya:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

I think a lot of us wish we'd had that chance to know and help her. The last thing she needed was for someone to be suggesting she give up the baby when she herself was adopted. [/*]

I just can't fathom any mother telling their own adopted child that they should give up the one thing that would make them feel whole again and have belonging and purpose.

I shake my head. I think Maria had no one that even took time to try and understand things from her eyes. It was as if she was still that child being told what to do by those who should have supported what she wanted instead of maybe what they wanted.

Yes, she was compulsive and made erratic decisions maybe but I really don't think she had a support group from any direction. I think they were too busy telling her what to do with her life that they forgot to teach her and give her a foundation on how to handle her own life better.

I even wonder if her family even tried to get Maria help in her teenage years. Mary had to know something wasn't quite right if Maria was a loner, did not have many friends and went through many struggles for years but if they ever saw to it that she got the help she needed we have never heard about it.

imoo

[Janz]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I just can't fathom any mother telling their own adopted child that they should give up the one thing that would make them feel whole again and have belonging and purpose.

I shake my head. I think Maria had no one that even took time to try and understand things from her eyes. It was as if she was still that child being told what to do by those who should have supported what she wanted instead of maybe what they wanted.

Yes, she was compulsive and made erratic decisions maybe but I really don't think she had a support group from any direction. I think they were too busy telling her what to do with her life that they forgot to teach her and give her a foundation on how to handle her own life better.

I even wonder if her family even tried to get Maria help in her teenage years. Mary had to know something wasn't quite right if Maria was a loner, did not have many friends and went through many struggles for years but if they ever saw to it that she got the help she needed we have never heard about it.

imoo [/*]

Again GB, you have said it so well!!

[donna]

Hello, everyone. My mother had been sick and had surgery yesterday morning, so of course I have not been able to participate in the discussions. She is doing well.

I have to believe that Christina has taken a polygraph and passed on the part of not having participated in Maria's murder. I know that ploygraphs are not permissable in court, of course, but this could be why the statements were made at the press conference. I would be willing to bet that she did not pass the part of the polygraph if she were asked if she knew of the murder AFTER, and helped in the cleaning up of the crime scene. Remember to also notice what LE is NOT saying. I doubt that DA Hudson would put his credibility on the line if he did not know Christina had not participated in the murder.

I just finished a late night snack of crow with orange sauce. Cesar was not dead as I had speculated. I will have another portion of crow with eggs in the morning for my speculation that Christina was actively involved in Maria's murder. I will be wearing my big girl britches for the day.

As for Christina's communication with Cesar behind LE's back, that is not integrity or thruthfulness. Therefore, she was not fully cooperating. If anywhere in her communications with Cesar she used the words 'the first 24 of the next 96', then she was intending to meet up with Cesar in the next holiday leave. And, IMO, she would have. Her sister knew she was communicating with Cesar through her (sister's) MySpace page. She is guilty of omission also. And yes, I do realize neither have committed a crime in LE's eyes and cannot be charged with it. I wonder if Federal authorities had asked either of them to let them know if Cesar tried to communicate with them. If they said they would let authorities know, then Federal authorities may not look so kindly upon that. I do not think that Christina or her sister should be allowed to wear the uniform of the USMC because of what they have done. This is my opinion.

I have posted on 'the other board' and asked questions over there. I hope they will be answered, but probably will not because of the nature of the questions.

GB, ITA completely with your last post of the evening.

All I want, or have ever wanted, was for the person who viciously murdered Maria and Gabriel to be brought to justice. I will always believe that Christina knew what she was covering up when she painted. I will always believe that she know of Maria's murder that night. Even if she DID work the next day, that does not preclude her knowing. Yes, Christina has done very wrong, IMO. She knows it and will have to live with that for the rest of her life.

There are State Prisons and Federal Prisons. Cesar committed the murder in the state of North Carolina, and will IMO, be sentenced to LWOP in the sate prison. In every prison, there is a process called 'classification'. He will be maximum security, IMO. He will not be classified as being put in the same unit/dorm as drug dealers, etc.. He will be in with others as having committed the same types of crimes - murder/manslaughter. Having been born in Mexico, he will most likely not be in a unit/dorm with skinhead's, etc. Also, just for the record, there are federal prisons where the inmates are never even touched. They are in a locked down status except for the 1 hour per day they are allowed to have. Not all are country club atmospheres.

ETA that is, if Cesar is convicted of the murder and is sentenced to LWOP.


:seeya: .... Everyone have a good Thursday!

[martha]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


It is the beginning of the spin. It has been three months and the DA and LE know full well even with Laurean indicted that many in that county still continue to maintain great suspicion about Christina Laurean.......it simply is not dying down whether he is indicted or being extradicted back..... as I am sure they had hoped. The fervor is still there and it will continue imo. It was like they were trying to get to the calm before the storm.

By them trying to polish her image right in the middle of announcing his arrest and diverting it to more about her than the capture only makes for more suspicion imo. I wonder in the past have they done this concerning other witnesses. I would guess they have not.

I have no doubt there will be leaks when it comes to this case before it comes to trial.

They need this woman. That is so evident imo which causes me to question just how solid this case really is....

But I have noticed when they do vouch for her it is about the homicide only and they remain silent when it comes to commenting on the cover up/clean up where she may have assisted him in the aftermath.

Have they tried to change the buzz about Christina that swirls in their town like a tornado? They tried but IMOO they were not successful and by their effort to do so they have made her even more suspicious than ever.

imoo [/*] ITA your or so wise GB They only talk about the homicide. now we have to wait and see what is said about the clean up and cl getting a head start on le.:rose:

[martha]

Donna glad your mother is doing ok. give her a kiss for me. I love reading your post. I think before this is all over we will all be eating some crrow lol have a very good day. my mother and dad have been gone a long time and i still miss them. :rose:

[martha]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I just can't fathom any mother telling their own adopted child that they should give up the one thing that would make them feel whole again and have belonging and purpose.

I shake my head. I think Maria had no one that even took time to try and understand things from her eyes. It was as if she was still that child being told what to do by those who should have supported what she wanted instead of maybe what they wanted.

Yes, she was compulsive and made erratic decisions maybe but I really don't think she had a support group from any direction. I think they were too busy telling her what to do with her life that they forgot to teach her and give her a foundation on how to handle her own life better.

I even wonder if her family even tried to get Maria help in her teenage years. Mary had to know something wasn't quite right if Maria was a loner, did not have many friends and went through many struggles for years but if they ever saw to it that she got the help she needed we have never heard about it.

imoo [/*] Ita GB you or such a wish woman. I love reading your post. it is just like you or in my head saying the very same things i would say. take care and have a good day.:rose:

[martha]

Originally posted by caejde


It is very sad. My husband doesn't understand why I'm so drawn to this case...I don't even know why to be honest. I've never had a murder or anything upset me the way this has. Of course all murders and such is horrible but for me it was...I don't know how to describe it. I guess because I shared an unwritten bond with her being a Marine myself and also being a mother at a young age and surviving. I know our situations weren't the same but the fact is she was alone and pregnant and I can relate to that. [/*] Honey I can understand why you or so drawn to this case because you may be the only one on here close to ml age. you know what it is to be young lonley and having a baby. most of us don;t understand that. I was 20 when i had my son and even with my family and my husband family I still had some bad time. I was so scared I would let my baby die. I hated to go home with him thinking i would let something happen to him.I did not know the first thing about taking care of him. I had never been close to my mother. I had not had the teaching of a good mother so my fears were great. I wish you had know ml maybe she would still be here with her sweet baby. The age you or honey you could have really been a good friend to her.imho I think everyone this board shares a love for ml and her baby.:rose:

[martha]

Originally posted by sunstar

I think a lot of us wish we'd had that chance to know and help her. The last thing she needed was for someone to be suggesting she give up the baby when she herself was adopted. [/*] so very true sunstar ITA maybe by not having the love in her life she needed may have caused her to love cl, not say she did but just saying. there is so many if in this case. i am going back and reading the post from last night and boy you lady were have some very good post last night. I had to go to bed early last night and most of the time i don;t so sorry i am the only one posting this morning early. but i will be back today to keep reading. yes i think we would have all loved to know ml i think she needed people to talk to. jmho:rose:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by donna
I will always believe that Christina knew what she was covering up when she painted. I will always believe that she know of Maria's murder that night. Even if she DID work the next day, that does not preclude her knowing.

*snipped*

[/*]

Hi Donna, sorry to snip your very excellent and heartfelt post, but I only wanted to ask a question regarding the above, which you have said very often on here.

What IF....sometime in the future, during the trial or before or after, the DA or anyone else in authority comes out and states that Christina IS innocent of any wrong doing, that she had NO part in the murder OR the "cover-up".....and what IF there is solid evidence that this is true? That is made public?

Would you still say, despite all PROVEN evidence to the contrary, that you believe she was involved?

If so, that would shock me. I think most of us by now are pretty fairly wedded to our own theory(ies) whatever they may be, but have said they are subject to change IF something comes up to prove differently.

Currently, as you know, I am convinced Christina is entirely innocent. I could say as you do, "I will always believe....." but I would temper that with, "BUT......I could be wrong and will admit that if necessary when proof comes to light."

Just wondering! :seeya:

[martha]

HI SS I read your post and I would love to think if anything is proven in the trial we would all be willing to say we were wrong. I think just because we or women and don;t see how anything could go on in our house maybe the reason we can;t understand how csl did not know something was going on. jmho Very little goes on in my house that i don;t know even while I was working every day. If someone come in my house and moved anything or looked in stuff or borrowed something I knew it. What ever my huband did in the house i knew lol my mother lived very close to me and she was for ever getting stuff from my kitchen. like sugar and ect and i knew she was doing it even tho she would not tell me.ha I have no way of knowing if csl knew anything or was inv with the killing and will keep my mind open until that day but I can;t understand how she did not know something. My husband don;t paint unless it comes to me saying lets paint.ha My prayers go out to csl and her little girl. I hope and pray that there is no more hurt than has already been in this case. I love reading your post so keep posting your insight is very good. I hope we will all know the truth one day but right now none of us know what really happened.:rose:

[martha]

Originally posted by caejde


It is disheartening...this isn't what the Marine Corps is about. We are supposed to have each other's back...not kill each other. [/*] ITA I am so very prowd of our marine corps when i see one my heart fills with pride. I don;t think this case had anything to do with being in the mc. I think it was from being so very young on all parties. I think ml need to be loved. jmho:rose:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by martha
HI SS I read your post and I would love to think if anything is proven in the trial we would all be willing to say we were wrong. I think just because we or women and don;t see how anything could go on in our house maybe the reason we can;t understand how csl did not know something was going on. jmho Very little goes on in my house that i don;t know even while I was working every day. If someone come in my house and moved anything or looked in stuff or borrowed something I knew it. What ever my huband did in the house i knew lol my mother lived very close to me and she was for ever getting stuff from my kitchen. like sugar and ect and i knew she was doing it even tho she would not tell me.ha I have no way of knowing if csl knew anything or was inv with the killing and will keep my mind open until that day but I can;t understand how she did not know something. My husband don;t paint unless it comes to me saying lets paint.ha My prayers go out to csl and her little girl. I hope and pray that there is no more hurt than has already been in this case. I love reading your post so keep posting your insight is very good. I hope we will all know the truth one day but right now none of us know what really happened.:rose: [/*]

I enjoy reading your posts as well, Martha. You are one of the very sweetest posters!

[caejde]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I enjoy reading your posts as well, Martha. You are one of the very sweetest posters! [/*]

I second that!

[henry]

Originally posted by caejde


I second that! [/*]

ditto to martha :rose: and ditto to caedje :rose:

[martha]

Thank you all so very much. I love reading all the post here. You all have become part of my life. I think we all get up tight about this awful case. It is such a sad case. Everyone have a very good day and I will be reading so keep posting. :rose:

[strick10]

Morning all! New daily thread is up.