Another Huge Poligamy Problem with the FLDS

[spydernweb2006]

This is another huge poligamy problem thats been kept hush hush by the FLDS.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2005-12-29/news/forbidden-fruit/

We now know the people at the YFZ Ranch in Eldorado, TX were hand picked by Warren Jeffs from the other FDLS compounds where this is showing up.
Could the hand picked followers of Warren Jeffs had been picked to attempt to remove this horror from the gene pool?

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[wandering]

Originally posted by spydernweb2006
This is another huge poligamy problem thats been kept hush hush by the FLDS.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2005-12-29/news/forbidden-fruit/

We now know the people at the YFZ Ranch in Eldorado, TX were hand picked by Warren Jeffs from the other FDLS compounds where this is showing up.
Could the hand picked followers of Warren Jeffs had been picked to attempt to remove this horror from the gene pool?

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder [/*]What a fascinating article! Thank you so much for posting it. Those poor children. :(

To knowingly promote this is morally and ethically wrong. How can any of them deny this is happening? :eek:

If Jeffs is focused on this, he'll never tell anyone.

[Carol25]

I think you are on to something. I had read about this disease and the cemetary in the Utah FLDS compound called, I think Baby Land, wasn't it?

[LisaM22]

Originally posted by spydernweb2006
This is another huge poligamy problem thats been kept hush hush by the FLDS.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2005-12-29/news/forbidden-fruit/

We now know the people at the YFZ Ranch in Eldorado, TX were hand picked by Warren Jeffs from the other FDLS compounds where this is showing up.
Could the hand picked followers of Warren Jeffs had been picked to attempt to remove this horror from the gene pool?

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder [/*]

doesn't sound like a "polygamy" problem but rather a "inbreeding" problem - look at some of the ammish communities - jmho

[spydernweb2006]

Having lived around the Amish for over 8 years I assure you they do not practice anything similar to the FDLS.

Actually before the age of 16 the Amish are free to use any modern conviences and are granted a personal choice to either fully intergrate into the Amish Community or to leave. Its is only after their Rumspringa that they make their final choice. They DO NOT demand their daughters have any kind of relations with older men and they DO NOT force their daughters into marriage. The Amish have many different communities in many States and have and do accept converts, so they do have "fresh blood" in their gene pools. The Amish are encourged to marry into their own religon, but they are not FORCED into it. More importantly the Amish follow the laws of the USA, they do not flaunt them.

There are also different "forms" of Amish/Mennonite and each division have their own rules. Some must marry in their own religion and some do not. Some pay drivers to take them places and the phone company to put up lightpoles at the edge of their driveways, while others only use a horse and buggyand dress all in black.

You could never walk into a FDLS Compound and start talking to a member, but the Amish would welcome you in and offer you lemonade! Just because the two religions dress alike doesn't not mean they are alike. Your comparing apples to oranges.

I will never forget right after we moved to the area we lived in in Ohio, my Son came home from Okinawa, Japan from his Marine Corp break and was dumbfounded to see a horse and buggy go down our street. Talk about culture shock! The local Walmart has a horse hitch. I used to tell all my friends," I live so far into the country there is horse poop on Main Street and there wasn't a parade!"

We had to move away because of my Husband's job, but I assure you, if ever given the chance again I would happily move next to an Amish Community.

JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

[wandering]

Originally posted by spydernweb2006
Having lived around the Amish for over 8 years I assure you they do not practice anything similar to the FDLS.

Actually before the age of 16 the Amish are free to use any modern conviences and are granted a personal choice to either fully intergrate into the Amish Community or to leave. Its is only after their Rumspringa that they make their final choice. They DO NOT demand their daughters have any kind of relations with older men and they DO NOT force their daughters into marriage. The Amish have many different communities in many States and have and do accept converts, so they do have "fresh blood" in their gene pools. The Amish are encourged to marry into their own religon, but they are not FORCED into it. More importantly the Amish follow the laws of the USA, they do not flaunt them.

There are also different "forms" of Amish/Mennonite and each division have their own rules. Some must marry in their own religion and some do not. Some pay drivers to take them places and the phone company to put up lightpoles at the edge of their driveways, while others only use a horse and buggyand dress all in black.

You could never walk into a FDLS Compound and start talking to a member, but the Amish would welcome you in and offer you lemonade! Just because the two religions dress alike doesn't not mean they are alike. Your comparing apples to oranges.

I will never forget right after we moved to the area we lived in in Ohio, my Son came home from Okinawa, Japan from his Marine Corp break and was dumbfounded to see a horse and buggy go down our street. Talk about culture shock! The local Walmart has a horse hitch. I used to tell all my friends," I live so far into the country there is horse poop on Main Street and there wasn't a parade!"

We had to move away because of my Husband's job, but I assure you, if ever given the chance again I would happily move next to an Amish Community.

JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder [/*]Yep. In my former neighborhood, the Amish have huge farms and dairy farms. They collect rainwater for their crops, no electricity (except for their dairy businesses, required by law) and they have no curtains on their windows, but they sell wonderful breads, cheese, and chickens.

They drive buggies pulled by horses, and they sell baked goods on the side of the highways. They are totally involved in the world, and wonderful people.

They are well respected too.

[Freebird]

Originally posted by spydernweb2006
Having lived around the Amish for over 8 years I assure you they do not practice anything similar to the FDLS.

Actually before the age of 16 the Amish are free to use any modern conviences and are granted a personal choice to either fully intergrate into the Amish Community or to leave. Its is only after their Rumspringa that they make their final choice. They DO NOT demand their daughters have any kind of relations with older men and they DO NOT force their daughters into marriage. The Amish have many different communities in many States and have and do accept converts, so they do have "fresh blood" in their gene pools. The Amish are encourged to marry into their own religon, but they are not FORCED into it. More importantly the Amish follow the laws of the USA, they do not flaunt them.

There are also different "forms" of Amish/Mennonite and each division have their own rules. Some must marry in their own religion and some do not. Some pay drivers to take them places and the phone company to put up lightpoles at the edge of their driveways, while others only use a horse and buggyand dress all in black.

You could never walk into a FDLS Compound and start talking to a member, but the Amish would welcome you in and offer you lemonade! Just because the two religions dress alike doesn't not mean they are alike. Your comparing apples to oranges.

I will never forget right after we moved to the area we lived in in Ohio, my Son came home from Okinawa, Japan from his Marine Corp break and was dumbfounded to see a horse and buggy go down our street. Talk about culture shock! The local Walmart has a horse hitch. I used to tell all my friends," I live so far into the country there is horse poop on Main Street and there wasn't a parade!"

We had to move away because of my Husband's job, but I assure you, if ever given the chance again I would happily move next to an Amish Community.

JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder [/*]

It's bad enough with roadkill without that.Don't know why they can't just drive.

[Carol25]

I saw some Amish people in a grocery store and they were buying ice cream. Stupid me (my mouth goes faster than my brain), "I said, Oh Oh, aren't you supposed to be making that at home? He replied, "{Yes, but we are on vcation and we aren't going home." and laughed. Very, very nice man. Beard, hat and all. I imagine he was used to stupid questions.

How do you make ice cream without electricity?

[Carol25]

Originally posted by Freebird


It's bad enough with roadkill without that.Don't know why they can't just drive. [/*]
The Mennonites do, but they have to paint the chrome bumpers black. I think that's cheating. ;)

[juliekan]

Originally posted by Carol25
I saw some Amish people in a grocery store and they were buying ice cream. Stupid me (my mouth goes faster than my brain), "I said, Oh Oh, aren't you supposed to be making that at home? He replied, "{Yes, but we are on vcation and we aren't going home." and laughed. Very, very nice man. Beard, hat and all. I imagine he was used to stupid questions.

How do you make ice cream without electricity? [/*]
Lordy, I'm only 49, and you haven't ever used a crank ice cream maker...the little kids have to sit on top(probably just to torture them) while you turn a crank on an icecream maker coated in rock salt and ice. Best homemade peach ice cream I ever had. And don't you know how to make coffee can ice cream? Mixture in a ziploc, inside a coffee can then add rock salt and ice, and then have the kids roll the can back and forth for a while.:patriot:can send you the recipe if you want:patriot:

[Carol25]

Originally posted by juliekan

Lordy, I'm only 49, and you haven't ever used a crank ice cream maker...the little kids have to sit on top(probably just to torture them) while you turn a crank on an icecream maker coated in rock salt and ice. Best homemade peach ice cream I ever had. And don't you know how to make coffee can ice cream? Mixture in a ziploc, inside a coffee can then add rock salt and ice, and then have the kids roll the can back and forth for a while.:patriot:can send you the recipe if you want:patriot: [/*]
LOL, What a sheltered life I've led! No, thanks anyway. I'll just drive to the store and get some. It does sound like fun, though!

[LLaFren]

Originally posted by juliekan

Lordy, I'm only 49, and you haven't ever used a crank ice cream maker...the little kids have to sit on top(probably just to torture them) while you turn a crank on an icecream maker coated in rock salt and ice. Best homemade peach ice cream I ever had. And don't you know how to make coffee can ice cream? Mixture in a ziploc, inside a coffee can then add rock salt and ice, and then have the kids roll the can back and forth for a while.:patriot:can send you the recipe if you want:patriot: [/*]

Hey Julie, could you pm me the recipe? I remember doiing the coffee can thing as a kid, but after my grandmother passed away, none of my aunts knew how to do it.

Thanks!

(ok done being off topic now)

[LisaM22]

Originally posted by spydernweb2006
Having lived around the Amish for over 8 years I assure you they do not practice anything similar to the FDLS.

Actually before the age of 16 the Amish are free to use any modern conviences and are granted a personal choice to either fully intergrate into the Amish Community or to leave. Its is only after their Rumspringa that they make their final choice. They DO NOT demand their daughters have any kind of relations with older men and they DO NOT force their daughters into marriage. The Amish have many different communities in many States and have and do accept converts, so they do have "fresh blood" in their gene pools. The Amish are encourged to marry into their own religon, but they are not FORCED into it. More importantly the Amish follow the laws of the USA, they do not flaunt them.

There are also different "forms" of Amish/Mennonite and each division have their own rules. Some must marry in their own religion and some do not. Some pay drivers to take them places and the phone company to put up lightpoles at the edge of their driveways, while others only use a horse and buggyand dress all in black.

You could never walk into a FDLS Compound and start talking to a member, but the Amish would welcome you in and offer you lemonade! Just because the two religions dress alike doesn't not mean they are alike. Your comparing apples to oranges.

I will never forget right after we moved to the area we lived in in Ohio, my Son came home from Okinawa, Japan from his Marine Corp break and was dumbfounded to see a horse and buggy go down our street. Talk about culture shock! The local Walmart has a horse hitch. I used to tell all my friends," I live so far into the country there is horse poop on Main Street and there wasn't a parade!"

We had to move away because of my Husband's job, but I assure you, if ever given the chance again I would happily move next to an Amish Community.

JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder [/*]

my point was that Inbreeding among members of isolated communities is the problem, not how many wives they have, but what relationship those wives they have are and how old - jmho

[johnielee333]

Originally posted by spydernweb2006
This is another huge poligamy problem thats been kept hush hush by the FLDS.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2005-12-29/news/forbidden-fruit/

We now know the people at the YFZ Ranch in Eldorado, TX were hand picked by Warren Jeffs from the other FDLS compounds where this is showing up.
Could the hand picked followers of Warren Jeffs had been picked to attempt to remove this horror from the gene pool?

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder [/*]

they are bringing children into the world who suffer tragic deformities. this is terrible. LE should of stopped this yrs & yrs ago. i dont understand why they didnt. if you ask me, what these polygamists are doing is a crime. the inbreeding is causing these children to be born retarted and all.

TO LAW ENFORCEMENT - WHAT ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF THESE CHILDREN ? MY GOD, THIS IS SO WRONG WHAT THEY DO TO THESE POOR LITTLE CHILDREN. THE ABUSE & ALL. THIS IS SO WRONG FOR THE STATE'S DOING NOTHING TO STOP IT. WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL THESE PEOPLE ? MAY GOD HELP THEM ALL.

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by Carol25
I saw some Amish people in a grocery store and they were buying ice cream. Stupid me (my mouth goes faster than my brain), "I said, Oh Oh, aren't you supposed to be making that at home? He replied, "{Yes, but we are on vcation and we aren't going home." and laughed. Very, very nice man. Beard, hat and all. I imagine he was used to stupid questions.

How do you make ice cream without electricity? [/*]

lol. You make homemade ice cream by hand cranking the mixture. http://www.techmicro.com/product_p/F64306X.htm

Been around for 145 years. I'm not that old, but some of my fondest memories were as a little girl watching my dad and my uncles crank that ice cream with ice and rock salt and then it had to "cure". It was hard to wait, but it was well worth it!! :seeya:

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by juliekan

Lordy, I'm only 49, and you haven't ever used a crank ice cream maker...the little kids have to sit on top(probably just to torture them) while you turn a crank on an icecream maker coated in rock salt and ice. Best homemade peach ice cream I ever had. And don't you know how to make coffee can ice cream? Mixture in a ziploc, inside a coffee can then add rock salt and ice, and then have the kids roll the can back and forth for a while.:patriot:can send you the recipe if you want:patriot: [/*]

Oh my! I would love to have the coffee can ice cream recipe! I remember it as a kid, but my cousins and I have no idea what our grandma put in those cans for us to roll around... Please please pm me with it!!

We also had the big hand crank ice cream makers... My cousins and I all remember taking turns sitting on the gunny sack folded up on top of it while the uncles turned the crank...

Back on topic; That was a very interesting article that was linked at the top. I've read that the people at the Eldorado compound were specially selected to go there from the other communities. It makes me wonder what the criteria was to be chosen to go to the Texas compound.

[sardoodledom]

Originally posted by Carol25
I saw some Amish people in a grocery store and they were buying ice cream. Stupid me (my mouth goes faster than my brain), "I said, Oh Oh, aren't you supposed to be making that at home? He replied, "{Yes, but we are on vcation and we aren't going home." and laughed. Very, very nice man. Beard, hat and all. I imagine he was used to stupid questions.

How do you make ice cream without electricity? [/*]

:lol:

There are a lot of Amish and Mennonite in my region, and a woman I work with said she was at the grocery store with her daughter, who was then about 5 years old, and the daughter pointed at a group of them and said, "Look, Mommy! Pilgrims!"

(crawl into a hole smiley)

I told her that those people probably hear it all the time.

I fully understood the point about rare diseases showing up in isolated populations. I'm not aware of that happening around here, but "60 Minutes" did a story a while back about this being a huge problem in an Amish community in Ohio.

I work with another woman whose stepmother is a special ed teacher in a small town not far from here where everyone's related, and the percentage of kids with various learning disabilities, etc. blows her mind.

[awareness]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/08/60II/main700519.shtml

http://www.thegeneticgenealogist.com/2007/06/21/genetic-genealogy-and-the-amish/

^^ news articles about the Amish and their own genetic disorders, also the cause of years of inbreeding. Thankfully the Amish arent marrying off their KIDS though.

[sardoodledom]

Originally posted by sardoodledom


:lol:

There are a lot of Amish and Mennonite in my region, and a woman I work with said she was at the grocery store with her daughter, who was then about 5 years old, and the daughter pointed at a group of them and said, "Look, Mommy! Pilgrims!"

(crawl into a hole smiley)

I told her that those people probably hear it all the time.

I fully understood the point about rare diseases showing up in isolated populations. I'm not aware of that happening around here, but "60 Minutes" did a story a while back about this being a huge problem in an Amish community in Ohio.

I work with another woman whose stepmother is a special ed teacher in a small town not far from here where everyone's related, and the percentage of kids with various learning disabilities, etc. blows her mind. [/*]

In 1994, I did clinical rotations on the Zuni Indian Reservation in Arizona. The Zunis, and the Navajos in this region, have a very high incidence of cystic fibrosis relative to the general population because of inbreeding, although the inbreeding is not as drastic as with these other communities.

They had a common Anglo (i.e. Caucasian) ancestor and the incidence was about 1 in 700 vs. 1 in 20,000 for the general population.

[wandering]

Originally posted by Freebird


It's bad enough with roadkill without that.Don't know why they can't just drive. [/*]Because their religion doesn't allow for modern conveniences.

[Shells2]

Originally posted by LisaM22


my point was that Inbreeding among members of isolated communities is the problem, not how many wives they have, but what relationship those wives they have are and how old - jmho [/*]

And she explained that the Amish, as used in your example, do not apply to this point.