Sunday 13 April 2008 Lauterbach Case

[strick10]

It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Let's hope todays board will be a civil and respectful one.

[nuttintodo]

ITA strick!

BTW have you been over and read jdnews and the blog yet?

Very interesting reads....

[SavannahStar]

I have lost the link to the blog, can you please post it. I couldn't find it on the links thread.

Good morning all! :seeya:

[strick10]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
ITA strick!

BTW have you been over and read jdnews and the blog yet?

Very interesting reads.... [/*]

I'm catching up now. Good to see ya nuttintodo! Anything new on your side of the woods?

[MoonFlwr]

Yay! Open again!

[strick10]

Originally posted by SavannahStar
I have lost the link to the blog, can you please post it. I couldn't find it on the links thread.

Good morning all! :seeya: [/*]

Morning SS!!!! :seeya:

http://www.jdnews.com/

[nuttintodo]

Link to the blog: http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com

[SavannahStar]

Thanks strick!

Thanks nuttin!

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by strick10


I'm catching up now. Good to see ya nuttintodo! Anything new on your side of the woods? [/*]

Good to see ya strick!

Right now, everyone is sitting back watching and reading the latest information.

Might better make a list of the not to do's when going on the run....

[Lynn Gweeny]

Laurean Web use tracked

Marine Cpl. Cesar Laurean fled Onslow County after a story about the disappearance of the woman he is now accused of killing, and an attached incident report revealing her rape allegation to the public, were viewed on a computer in his home around 4 a.m. on Jan. 11, authorities said.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_56036___article.html/investigators_information.html


From "OFF THE CUFF" by Lindell Kay

Whoever looked at the Web site looked at these two things: a story (http://www.jdnews.com/news/lauterbach_54247___article.html/report_marine.html) and attached documents. (http://www.jdnews.com/attachments/1200068360-lauterbachinvestigationdocumnetsrevised.pdf)

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=45

[Lynn Gweeny]

From "OFF THE CUFF" by Lindell Kay

Maria's car had been moved around to different locations from Dec. 14 up until just before Jan. 7 when Maj. Terwilliger and two of his detectives found it.

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=44

[Lynn Gweeny]

VIDEO: Marine fugitive caught (2:49)
A Marine is caught in Mexico and is expected to face murder charges in the U.S. CNN's Susan Candiotti reports.

(Includes footage of the internet café Cesar frequented, the town Cesar was living near, interviews of some locals, snippets of the 4/11 PC and comments by Mary Lauterbach)

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2008/04/12/candiotti.marine.arrest.cnn?iref=videosearch



Adam Housley Blog

Indicates that Cesar would sometimes work at the internet cafe to obtain 'cash'.

http://onthescene.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/04/11/housley-2/

[donna]

Good morning, everyone!

Was going to catch up on last nights thread - :eek:

It is a beautiful Sunday morning and an even better one knowing that Cesar is in custody!

:)

[strick10]

Thanks Lynn Gweeny! BTW after months of posting I just now figured out your sig name....go figure.

[strick10]

Originally posted by donna
Good morning, everyone!

Was going to catch up on last nights thread - :eek:

It is a beautiful Sunday morning and an even better one knowing that Cesar is in custody!

:) [/*]
Yes it is donna. Be even sweeter if we knew what CAL has said up to this point other than what has already been published.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by strick10
Thanks Lynn Gweeny! BTW after months of posting I just now figured out your sig name....go figure. [/*]

LOL, say it fast 3 times. :hat:

[SavannahStar]

Wow Lynn, thank you thank you. You make it so much easier for us to get caught up on stuff over there!

:rose:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by strick10

Yes it is donna. Be even sweeter if we knew what CAL has said up to this point other than what has already been published. [/*]

Soon enough.......soon enough.......:cool:

[Lynn Gweeny]

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/cnishared/tools/shared/mediahub/09/14/98/slideshow_498149_Mexico_US_Missing_Marin(3).JPG
A view of a three-room wood cabin, where U.S. Marine Cpl. Cesar Laurean supposedly lived, near the town of San Juan de la Vina, Mexico, Friday, April 11, 2008.


http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/cnishared/tools/shared/mediahub/08/08/98/slideshow_498088_Mexico_US_Missing_Marin(4).JPG
Another view of a three-room wood cabin, where U.S. Marine Cpl. Cesar Laurean supposedly lived, near the town of San Juan de la Vina, Mexico, Friday, April 11, 2008.


http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/cnishared/tools/shared/mediahub/08/10/98/slideshow_498108_Mexico_US_Missing_Marine_MX.JPG
The main room of a wood cabin, where U.S. Marine Cpl. Cesar Laurean supposedly lived, is seen near the town of San Juan de la Vina, Mexico, Friday, April 11, 2008.

[donna]

Originally posted by strick10

Yes it is donna. Be even sweeter if we knew what CAL has said up to this point other than what has already been published. [/*]

It sure would!

Off to read Lindell's blog!

[SavannahStar]

First two links don't work for me Lynn but the third does. Sheesh talk about a stark existence. No wonder he gave up so easily.

[strick10]

Originally posted by SavannahStar
First two links don't work for me Lynn but the third does. Sheesh talk about a stark existence. No wonder he gave up so easily. [/*]

He could've survived there for a long period of time but because he didn't have any field time, special training nor grunt training he lacked some survival skills. IMO he was ready to give up period. It was just a matter of time before he was found and he knew that.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by donna
Good morning, everyone!

Was going to catch up on last nights thread - :eek:

It is a beautiful Sunday morning and an even better one knowing that Cesar is in custody!

:) [/*]:beer: cappucino

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by strick10


He could've survived there for a long period of time but because he didn't have any field time, special training nor grunt training he lacked some survival skills. IMO he was ready to give up period. It was just a matter of time before he was found and he knew that. [/*]

Oh I totally agree.

I remember very early on some here were opining that he was on the beach in Mexico, appearance completely changed, footloose and fancy free, swigging down Margueritas, etc., etc. I never thought that for one minute. I thought he was on the run and in a horrible existence, terrified, remorseful, lonesome and COULD have been a likely suicide candidate. I don't think I was far off.

[donna]

Originally posted by bkwits
:beer: cappucino [/*]

Oh, thank you, bkwits! I needed that!

:)

[strick10]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Oh I totally agree.

I remember very early on some here were opining that he was on the beach in Mexico, appearance completely changed, footloose and fancy free, swigging down Margueritas, etc., etc. I never thought that for one minute. I thought he was on the run and in a horrible existence, terrified, remorseful, lonesome and COULD have been a likely suicide candidate. I don't think I was far off. [/*]

I totally agree w/ you. IMO you weren't off at all. Looks like he had plenty of time to think.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Oh I totally agree.

I remember very early on some here were opining that he was on the beach in Mexico, appearance completely changed, footloose and fancy free, swigging down Margueritas, etc., etc. I never thought that for one minute. I thought he was on the run and in a horrible existence, terrified, remorseful, lonesome and COULD have been a likely suicide candidate. I don't think I was far off. [/*]But not so terrified, remorseful and lonesome that he turned himself in after hiding in plain sight at an Internet Cafe.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
From "OFF THE CUFF" by Lindell Kay

Maria's car had been moved around to different locations from Dec. 14 up until just before Jan. 7 when Maj. Terwilliger and two of his detectives found it.

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=44 [/*]

Thanks for all the great links. Wow information now coming in hot and heavy.

But this does make me wonder.........

So if LE have determined where the car was moved around to then they have credible witnesses and even possible video tapes imo.

If they saw it parked there in various places then they certainly could have seen CAL driving the car in and who picked him up each time after he left it or they could know if it was being driven by him or someone else and then he picked them up.

Quite interesting.......

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Oh I totally agree.

I remember very early on some here were opining that he was on the beach in Mexico, appearance completely changed, footloose and fancy free, swigging down Margueritas, etc., etc. I never thought that for one minute. I thought he was on the run and in a horrible existence, terrified, remorseful, lonesome and COULD have been a likely suicide candidate. I don't think I was far off. [/*]

I agree. He wasn't adapting to this solitude life style. He took chances for quite awhile and seemed to want to be among people.

imoo

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by SavannahStar
First two links don't work for me Lynn but the third does. Sheesh talk about a stark existence. No wonder he gave up so easily. [/*]

OOPS! Thanks, here they are so they can be viewed:

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q24/lynngweenytoo/Maria%20Lauterbach/slideshow_498149_Mexico_US_Missing_.jpg


http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q24/lynngweenytoo/Maria%20Lauterbach/slideshow_498088_Mexico_US_Missing_.jpg


http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q24/lynngweenytoo/Maria%20Lauterbach/slideshow_498108_Mexico_US_Missing_.jpg

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by alter ego
But not so terrified, remorseful and lonesome that he turned himself in after hiding in plain sight at an Internet Cafe. [/*]

His survival mode was too strong for that.

(Check your email girlie! :D )

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by strick10


I totally agree w/ you. IMO you weren't off at all. Looks like he had plenty of time to think. [/*]

I halfway believe we will see a confession in the future too.

I may be wrong on that though. Remains to be seen.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Thanks for all the great links. Wow information now coming in hot and heavy.

But this does make me wonder.........

So if LE have determined where the car was moved around to then they have credible witnesses and even possible video tapes imo.

If they saw it parked there in various places then they certainly could have seen CAL driving the car in and who picked him up each time after he left it or they could know if it was being driven by him or someone else and then he picked them up.

Quite interesting.......

imoo [/*]
:confused: I didn't read it like that at all....I read it as they backtracked and were able to piece together a timeline of when the car was moved and where it was moved to...not that they knew when it was moved as it was happening....

:shrug:

[Howiefan]

Originally posted by strick10


Morning SS!!!! :seeya:

http://www.jdnews.com/ [/*]from that link and in the section "off the cuff" what exactly is the "incident report" in the report of April 13.. in he paragraph "while ya'll looking".

Thanks .. I am not too smart of some of the expressions..

[donna]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Oh I totally agree.

I remember very early on some here were opining that he was on the beach in Mexico, appearance completely changed, footloose and fancy free, swigging down Margueritas, etc., etc. I never thought that for one minute. I thought he was on the run and in a horrible existence, terrified, remorseful, lonesome and COULD have been a likely suicide candidate. I don't think I was far off. [/*]

I was one of those thinking Cesar was swigging down margueritas and living large.

Now I think he must be terrified. Suicide might not be far from his thoughts now that he feels he will be facing LWOP.

Gotta give you this one, SS! You were right!

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by alter ego

:confused: I didn't read it like that at all....I read it as they backtracked and were able to piece together a timeline of when the car was moved and where it was moved to...not that they knew when it was moved as it was happening....

:shrug: [/*]

I agree. I don't read into it that they were aware as it was happening.

"The car had been moved around to different locations from Dec. 14 up until just before Jan. 7 when Maj. Terwilliger and two of his detectives found it. I ran some questions by Capt. Sutherland and he confirmed that the car had been moved around town and detectives know where it had been."

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=44#comments

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Thanks for all the great links. Wow information now coming in hot and heavy.

But this does make me wonder.........

So if LE have determined where the car was moved around to then they have credible witnesses and even possible video tapes imo.

If they saw it parked there in various places then they certainly could have seen CAL driving the car in and who picked him up each time after he left it or they could know if it was being driven by him or someone else and then he picked them up.

Quite interesting.......

imoo [/*]

Ocean, I don't think OCSD actually saw CAL driving the car and moving it around while doing the parking lot shuffle. They gleaned their information from credible witnesses who saw him moving the car Or picked him up when the car was moved.

jmoo

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by alter ego

:confused: I didn't read it like that at all....I read it as they backtracked and were able to piece together a timeline of when the car was moved and where it was moved to...not that they knew when it was moved as it was happening....

:shrug: [/*]

I think GB was referring to witnesses who told LE where THEY had seen the car and possibly who was driving it, and there might have been video tapes, not that LE was watching it being moved.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by alter ego

:confused: I didn't read it like that at all....I read it as they backtracked and were able to piece together a timeline of when the car was moved and where it was moved to...not that they knew when it was moved as it was happening....

:shrug: [/*]

I thought they were saying that they (LE) had weeded out the witnesses who were credible and those they decided weren't.

So I would think it was those witnesses is how they know the car was moved around which means imo they could have actually seen the car being driven in at the time and thought nothing of it then and who was driving and then who picked that person up.

But I will go read it again.

:shrug:

[henry]

:seeya: everyone . . . sneaking in while supposed to be doing income tax forms . . . ssssh :) . . . just got a "tip" about a myspace entry . . . you have to scroll down past a bunch of pictures before you get to it . . . 15 jan post in red . . . and offering it for info purposes only . . . not fact, not speculation, not anything except interesting . . .

i'm thinking that there's a lot more out there on myspace and that's where we'll find a lot more "facts" (loosely using this term here) . . . imo . . .
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=26344987

[bkwits]

Originally posted by donna


I was one of those thinking Cesar was swigging down margueritas and living large.

Now I think he must be terrified. Suicide might not be far from his thoughts now that he feels he will be facing LWOP.

Gotta give you this one, SS! You were right! [/*]

Me too, Donna and Savannah. I thought because his family there was relatively well-off that he might be making it just fine. I have to hand to Onslow Co. LE, they may be country boys, but they get their man.

I also agree that there is a fair chance that CL will confess. IMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Thanks for all the great links. Wow information now coming in hot and heavy.

But this does make me wonder.........

So if LE have determined where the car was moved around to then they have credible witnesses and even possible video tapes imo.

If they saw it parked there in various places then they certainly could have seen CAL driving the car in and who picked him up each time after he left it or they could know if it was being driven by him or someone else and then he picked them up.

Quite interesting.......

imoo [/*]

Yes, those witnesses who have come forth could certainly have provided information about who was with him or who might have picked him up IMO.

Not only that, but as you suggest, just maybe there are video tapes for places these "now credible witnesses" may have seen him driving the car that confirm it IMO.

A person could pick him up and not be aware of what he had done with a vehicle beforehand....I guess.

JMOOC. :shrug:

ETA = This is something that has bothered me about Christina's pic never being out there. IN THE EVENT she was somehow connected to this mess, nobody knows what they are looking for or trying to remember IMO.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Ocean, I don't think OCSD actually saw CAL driving the car and moving it around while doing the parking lot shuffle. They gleaned their information from credible witnesses who saw him moving the car Or picked him up when the car was moved.

jmoo [/*]

I am so sorry I wasn't clear in my earlier post. LOL I never intend to even infer that OCSD actually SAW him.........oh my goodness where is my Coke Classic? I meant this is what their witnesses have told them.

All I am saying is they may have seen the driver or the pick up person and thought nothing about it at the time.

imoo

[nuttintodo]

Howiefan, here's the link: http://www.jdnews.com/attachments/1200068360-lauterbachinvestigationdocumnetsrevised.pdf

[strick10]

Originally posted by alter ego
But not so terrified, remorseful and lonesome that he turned himself in after hiding in plain sight at an Internet Cafe. [/*]

Can't hide in plain sight.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by henry
:seeya: everyone . . . sneaking in while supposed to be doing income tax forms . . . ssssh :) . . . just got a "tip" about a myspace entry . . . you have to scroll down past a bunch of pictures before you get to it . . . 15 jan post in red . . . and offering it for info purposes only . . . not fact, not speculation, not anything except interesting . . .

i'm thinking that there's a lot more out there on myspace and that's where we'll find a lot more "facts" (loosely using this term here) . . . imo . . .
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=26344987 [/*]

Interesting. I wonder when exactly she bought the dining room table? And why she couldn't come to the house to pick it up?

And both the Laureans met her at the bank with the table. (Which reinforces my thoughts they were both planning on hitting the road at some point. JMO and all that)

Isn't 1/15 around the time the alleged "murder weapon" was also turned in?

Gotta hand it to the locals down there. We've gotten some interesting tidbits from them.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I am so sorry I wasn't clear in my earlier post. LOL I never intend to even infer that OCSD actually SAW him.........oh my goodness where is my Coke Classic? I meant this is what their witnesses have told them.

All I am saying is they may have seen the driver or the pick up person and thought nothing about it at the time.

imoo [/*]

Hey, I knew what you were saying and I'm on straight decaf!

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I am so sorry I wasn't clear in my earlier post. LOL I never intend to even infer that OCSD actually SAW him.........oh my goodness where is my Coke Classic? I meant this is what their witnesses have told them.

All I am saying is they may have seen the driver or the pick up person and thought nothing about it at the time.

imoo [/*]

I knew what you were saying.... ;)

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Interesting. I wonder when exactly she bought the dining room table? And why she couldn't come to the house to pick it up?

And both the Laureans met her at the bank with the table. (Which reinforces my thoughts they were both planning on hitting the road at some point. JMO and all that)

Isn't 1/15 around the time the alleged "murder weapon" was also turned in?

Gotta hand it to the locals down there. We've gotten some interesting tidbits from them. [/*]

IF they are true. :cool:

[Howiefan]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Howiefan, here's the link: http://www.jdnews.com/attachments/1200068360-lauterbachinvestigationdocumnetsrevised.pdf [/*]

thank you nuttin.. appreciated :)

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I am so sorry I wasn't clear in my earlier post. LOL I never intend to even infer that OCSD actually SAW him.........oh my goodness where is my Coke Classic? I meant this is what their witnesses have told them.

All I am saying is they may have seen the driver or the pick up person and thought nothing about it at the time.

imoo [/*]

I knew what you meant. I wouldn't think you were inferring they were watching this and did nothing. ;)

JMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


His survival mode was too strong for that.

(Check your email girlie! :D ) [/*]I find it curious that his concern was over being found guilty of raping Maria with nothing said about her murder.

:shrug:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


IF they are true. :cool: [/*]

I'd say their average has been pretty good so far.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by alter ego
I find it curious that his concern was over being found guilty of raping Maria with nothing said about her murder.

:shrug: [/*]

He didnt' say he was concerned about being found guilty of the rape. He's never been charged with that. He has, however, been classified as a deserter and *could* face court martial for that.

Maybe that's what he's worried about.

:shrug:

[strick10]

Originally posted by alter ego
I find it curious that his concern was over being found guilty of raping Maria with nothing said about her murder.

:shrug: [/*]

Did he specifically say his concern was being found guilty of raping Maria? I know he didn't want the MC handling the case in reference to the alleged rape but I believe he meant the whole 9 yards. He didn't want to go to Leavenworth. . Maybe I misunderstood?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I thought they were saying that they (LE) had weeded out the witnesses who were credible and those they decided weren't.

So I would think it was those witnesses is how they know the car was moved around which means imo they could have actually seen the car being driven in at the time and thought nothing of it then and who was driving and then who picked that person up.

But I will go read it again.

:shrug: [/*]Yes, that is what I got from it

[alter ego]

Originally posted by strick10


Did he specifically say his concern was being found guilty of raping Maria? I know he didn't want the MC handling the case in reference to the alleged rape but I believe he meant the whole 9 yards. He didn't want to go to Leavenworth. . Maybe I misunderstood? [/*]The rape allegations being made public appeared to be the catalyst that sent him to Mexico and his email to Cpt Sutherland also mentioned the rape charges.

:shrug:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by alter ego
I find it curious that his concern was over being found guilty of raping Maria with nothing said about her murder.

:shrug: [/*]

Maybe he didn't do it?????:eek:

Maybe at some point he really did love Maria.


JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


Did he specifically say his concern was being found guilty of raping Maria? I know he didn't want the MC handling the case in reference to the alleged rape but I believe he meant the whole 9 yards. He didn't want to go to Leavenworth. . Maybe I misunderstood? [/*]

I guess I misunderstood it too.

I think he wanted assurances that he would only be tried once in SB's jurisdiction and not again through the Marine Corps.

As far as I know he made no reference to the rape but was talking with SB because he is over the ML murder investigation.:shrug:

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Interesting. I wonder when exactly she bought the dining room table? And why she couldn't come to the house to pick it up?

And both the Laureans met her at the bank with the table. (Which reinforces my thoughts they were both planning on hitting the road at some point. JMO and all that)

Isn't 1/15 around the time the alleged "murder weapon" was also turned in?

Gotta hand it to the locals down there. We've gotten some interesting tidbits from them. [/*]

I think we discussed this a few weeks ago and there were so many theories as to why it might be there.

But if true, it's another one of those hmmmmm moments eh?

JMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I'd say their average has been pretty good so far. [/*]

Even IF true, I'd say selling the table is mildly "interesting" but not necessarily indicative of anything related to the murder. And certainly it is a leap to think that because they wanted to sell a table they intended to high-tail it out of town together. But, I respect your speculation. I just don't share it.

[strick10]

Originally posted by alter ego
The rape allegations being made public appeared to be the catalyst that sent him to Mexico and his email to Cpt Sutherland also mentioned the rape charges.

:shrug: [/*]

I realize that the rape allegations was the catalyst that sent him running. I just thought that pehaps it had been printed in the news media that the alleged rape was his only concern. Has anything been said as far as you know as to whether that e-mail sent to CS was legit or are they still trying to accomplish that?

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by alter ego
The rape allegations being made public appeared to be the catalyst that sent him to Mexico and his email to Cpt Sutherland also mentioned the rape charges.

:shrug: [/*]

When did he email Sutherland?

Here is the link to the email exchange between Sheriff Brown and (allegedly) Cesar. No mention of any rape charges.

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/brown_56022___article.html/note_cesar.html

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


He didn't' say he was concerned about being found guilty of the rape. He's never been charged with that. He has, however, been classified as a deserter and *could* face court martial for that.

Maybe that's what he's worried about.

:shrug: [/*]

Yes, I am sure he is aware that the MC can charge him with other offenses if they choose. The rape issue is out imo but they have been known to do it especially if the State trial does not produce a heavy punishment but it is extremely rare for them to do that and usually they will let the State court handle it.

imoo

[alter ego]

Originally posted by strick10


Can't hide in plain sight. [/*];)

[strick10]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I think we discussed this a few weeks ago and there were so many theories as to why it might be there.

But if true, it's another one of those hmmmmm moments eh?

JMO [/*]

Yes candy it was discussed a few weeks ago but not in depth. Raised eyebrows but that's about it.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


When did he email Sutherland?

Here is the link to the email exchange between Sheriff Brown and (allegedly) Cesar. No mention of any rape charges.

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/brown_56022___article.html/note_cesar.html [/*]thanks for the refresher...I know I read somewhere where it was said the concern was over the rape allegations in that email....lemme dig around and see what I have....

[strick10]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Even IF true, I'd say selling the table is mildly "interesting" but not necessarily indicative of anything related to the murder. And certainly it is a leap to think that because they wanted to sell a table they intended to high-tail it out of town together. But, I respect your speculation. I just don't share it. [/*]

True. Maybe they were attempting to renovate since they had painted. Maybe get rid of some items that they really didn't like to obtain something they did. So in as far as meeting the buyer out in town I also don't find it unusual. Maybe the L's were heading into town anyhow and just made it easier for all involved.

[donna]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I guess I misunderstood it too.

I think he wanted assurances that he would only be tried once in SB's jurisdiction and not again through the Marine Corps.

As far as I know he made no reference to the rape but was talking with SB because he is over the ML murder investigation.:shrug:

imoo [/*]

I think he wanted those assurances also, GB.

What will the USMC do with the Desertion? Would he have to be tried for that by the USMC?

[athy]

its possible both were involved with the murder...the DA made reference to CSL post in her diary about wanting to commit suicide. if that were to happen then CL could say CSL did the murder and he could give cause for reasonable doubt and they wouldn't have CSL. by not arresting her but just keeping an eye on her, letting CSL think they think that CAL acted alone that could give her a false sense of being safe. perhaps the LE is waiting for CAL to return so they can get his side of the murder and once they have both in the same area....we'll see some additions and changes to this case.

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Yes, I am sure he is aware that the MC can charge him with other offenses if they choose. The rape issue is out imo but they have been known to do it especially if the State trial does not produce a heavy punishment but it is extremely rare for them to do that and usually they will let the State court handle it.

imoo [/*]
IA Gentle. Besides the murder case is out of the MCs jurisdiction in this case.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by strick10


I realize that the rape allegations was the catalyst that sent him running. I just thought that pehaps it had been printed in the news media that the alleged rape was his only concern. Has anything been said as far as you know as to whether that e-mail sent to CS was legit or are they still trying to accomplish that? [/*]I was under the impression they were confident the email came from Cesar as it was traced back to the Internet Cafe.

That's my memory and I apologize in advance if I'm wrong :o

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by athy
its possible both were involved with the murder...the DA made reference to CSL post in her diary about wanting to commit suicide. if that were to happen then CL could say CSL did the murder and he could give cause for reasonable doubt and they wouldn't have CSL. by not arresting her but just keeping an eye on her, letting CSL think they think that CAL acted alone that could give her a false sense of being safe. perhaps the LE is waiting for CAL to return so they can get his side of the murder and once they have both in the same area....we'll see some additions and changes to this case. [/*]

You're preaching to the choir here. :D

Though I personally disagree.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by donna


I think he wanted those assurances also, GB.

What will the USMC do with the Desertion? Would he have to be tried for that by the USMC? [/*]

I think it will depend and the government will wait for years if they have to......

If the State trial doesn't bring a harsh punishment the military MAY decide to try him but as it stand now.......why would they if he gets LWOP? It just wouldn't be feasible or cost effective to do so.

Now if that was the only charge lodged against him the MC certainly would court martial him for being a deserter I would think.

imo

[Howiefan]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Maybe he didn't do it?????:eek:

Maybe at some point he really did love Maria.


JMO [/*]

If he did not do it what was Maria's body doing in his backyard and him having BBQ's over it?
jmo

[gaelicpeas]

Check out Lindell Kaye's comment at 10:52 am this morning. It addresses the Dec 14 ATM and also kidnapping charges:

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=45#comments

[strick10]

Originally posted by donna


I think he wanted those assurances also, GB.

What will the USMC do with the Desertion? Would he have to be tried for that by the USMC? [/*]
Yes Donna the MC will try him for desertion, however, because of the murder charge they most likely discharge him and allow the LE to continue with the murder charges. JMO

[strick10]

Originally posted by alter ego
I was under the impression they were confident the email came from Cesar as it was traced back to the Internet Cafe.

That's my memory and I apologize in advance if I'm wrong :o [/*]

Thanks alter.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10

IA Gentle. Besides the murder case is out of the MCs jurisdiction in this case. [/*]

Absolutely and with the long standing relationship between the military and civilian courts...... the military respects their rights to try their own cases and do not intervene.

Only in rare cases and this is not one of them imo.

Now if he had been some mad terrorists like Timothy McVeigh then he may have been tried in both courts under different offenses.

imoo

[donna]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I think it will depend and the government will wait for years if they have to......

If the State trial doesn't bring a harsh punishment the military MAY decide to try him but as it stand now.......why would they if he gets LWOP? It just wouldn't be feasible or cost effective to do so.

Now if that was the only charge lodged against him the MC certainly would court martial him for being a deserter I would think.

imo [/*]

TY, GB!
I agree it would not be cost effective BUT -

If the USMC does decide to court martial Cesar, could Christina get in trouble for knowing where he was and not turning him in as they are both Marines?

[bkwits]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Absolutely and with the long standing relationship between the military and civilian courts...... the military respects their rights to try their own cases and do not intervene.

Only in rare cases and this is not one of them imo.

Now if he had been some mad terrorists like Timothy McVeigh then he may have been tried in both courts under different offenses.

imoo [/*]

Mornin:seeya:

If CL is tried in civil court and found NG or hung jury, could or would the MC then try him on other charges (desertion, etc)?

[Jan Powell]

One of the things I was looking for in the JDNews article was a confirmation of Fox's news last night that CL wasn't fighting extradition and would be back in the US pretty quickly or in a fews days. I saw this on CNN Friday too, but nothing since.

I had never heard of Lindell Kay prior to this case but he seems to get some the right info from LE. I would think if it's true he would have reported it. I tend to go with the DA saying 60 days (that's as long as Mexico can hold him on a provisional arrest for extradition) to 2 years.

[donna]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by strick10

Yes Donna the MC will try him for desertion, however, because of the murder charge they most likely discharge him and allow the

Thanks, strick10! I was posting when you answered!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by donna


TY, GB!
I agree it would not be cost effective BUT -

If the USMC does decide to court martial Cesar, could Christina get in trouble for knowing where he was and not turning him in as they are both Marines? [/*]

That is a very interesting question. I do not know the laws concerning what is expected of a Marine. However I know that truthfulness and trustworthiness are expected.

imoo

[strick10]

Originally posted by donna


TY, GB!
I agree it would not be cost effective BUT -

If the USMC does decide to court martial Cesar, could Christina get in trouble for knowing where he was and not turning him in as they are both Marines? [/*]

That's a very good question donna.

[strick10]

Originally posted by bkwits


Mornin:seeya:

If CL is tried in civil court and found NG or hung jury, could or would the MC then try him on other charges (desertion, etc)? [/*]

Not GB, but, the MC is going to try him for desertion period whether he is found guilty or not. He deserted plain and simple and the MC is not going to let that go. IMO

[bkwits]

Originally posted by strick10


Not GB, but, the MC is going to try him for desertion period whether he is found guilty or not. He deserted plain and simple and the MC is not going to let that go. IMO [/*]

TY Strick. The civil trial will come first, right?

[henry]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Interesting. I wonder when exactly she bought the dining room table? And why she couldn't come to the house to pick it up?

And both the Laureans met her at the bank with the table. (Which reinforces my thoughts they were both planning on hitting the road at some point. JMO and all that)

Isn't 1/15 around the time the alleged "murder weapon" was also turned in?

Gotta hand it to the locals down there. We've gotten some interesting tidbits from them. [/*]

thought you'd like that with the vacuum and all :) this was the hot site back then . . . wonder if anything else is going on :shrug:
http://lejeuneyardsales.com/

edit . . . did a quick search on lejeuneyardsales . . . :patriot: put up this
http://lejeuneyardsales.com/item.jsp?itemId=5636172

[donna]

Originally posted by strick10


Not GB, but, the MC is going to try him for desertion period whether he is found guilty or not. He deserted plain and simple and the MC is not going to let that go. IMO [/*]

Actually, strick10, that is what I would think. Otherwise it would remain an open charge and not adjudicated. I would think they would need to close it out.

I think he should be tried for desertion even when it might mean nothing as far as 'time' is concerned. After all, he will remain a Marine until the Corp goes through the official motions, won't he?

[donna]

Originally posted by henry


thought you'd like that with the vacuum and all :) this was the hot site back then . . . wonder if anything else is going on :shrug:
http://lejeuneyardsales.com/ [/*]

Thanks for the link, henry!

;) ..... I would get that table and chairs back that was sold and spray them with luminol. Who knows, could be evidence!

[strick10]

Originally posted by bkwits


TY Strick. The civil trial will come first, right? [/*]

I honestly believe so unless it is guaranteed that he will be found guilty before the trial and we both know that isn't going to be the fact. MC will give the civil trial first dibbs on CAL IMO.

[strick10]

Originally posted by henry


thought you'd like that with the vacuum and all :) this was the hot site back then . . . wonder if anything else is going on :shrug:
http://lejeuneyardsales.com/

edit . . . did a quick search on lejeuneyardsales . . . :patriot: put up this
http://lejeuneyardsales.com/item.jsp?itemId=5636172 [/*]

Good to see ya henry!!

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by bkwits


TY Strick. The civil trial will come first, right? [/*]

Most likely the state will have first bite.

I'm only basing that because I've lived here forever and normally after after an AD Marine is arrested, the state tries them first and then they are court martialed afterwards.

CAL will be court martialed no matter what...he deserted.

jmoo

[henry]

Originally posted by bkwits


Mornin:seeya:

If CL is tried in civil court and found NG or hung jury, could or would the MC then try him on other charges (desertion, etc)? [/*]

i thought i heard yesterday that all charges, including NCIS, had to be filed prior to extradition from mexico . . . iirc & imo & no link right now (sorry!)

edit : hi strick10 - great opening - thanks tons!

[donna]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Most likely the state will have first bite.

I'm only basing that because I've lived here forever and normally after after an AD Marine is arrested, the state tries them first and then they are court martialed afterwards.

jmoo [/*]

Hi, nuttin!

I would think so also as the murder happened in the county. You are not up for jury duty, are you?

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by henry


i thought i heard yesterday that all charges, including NCIS, had to be filed prior to extradition from mexico . . . iirc & imo & no link right now (sorry!) [/*]

You heard right henry...Dewey said that in an interview with WRAL.

Here's the link: http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/2724205/

[strick10]

Originally posted by donna


Actually, strick10, that is what I would think. Otherwise it would remain an open charge and not adjudicated. I would think they would need to close it out.

I think he should be tried for desertion even when it might mean nothing as far as 'time' is concerned. After all, he will remain a Marine until the Corp goes through the official motions, won't he? [/*]

Yes donna he will remain a member of the Marine Corps until the MC tries him for desertion and/or whatnot. IIRC even though it is known where CAL is now and it will be known where CAL will be when he is brought back to the states he will still be listed as deserter as he has not returned to the MC. I'm going to see if I can find a link to cases where a deserter is in the hands of civilian authorities....so I'll just say IMO.

[donna]

Originally posted by strick10


Yes donna he will remain a member of the Marine Corps until the MC tries him for desertion and/or whatnot. IIRC even though it is known where CAL is now and it will be known where CAL will be when he is brought back to the states he will still be listed as deserter as he has not returned to the MC. I'm going to see if I can find a link to cases where a deserter is in the hands of civilian authorities....so I'll just say IMO. [/*]

TY, strick10!

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by donna


Hi, nuttin!

I would think so also as the murder happened in the county. You are not up for jury duty, are you? [/*]

:eek:

I haven't been called in the past 7 years, so who knows.

And for any of you out there who are saying to themselves OMG not her....let me clue you in on something....If I get a summons, I will tell them I have read all the pre-trial stuff BUT I can be objective and will not let any of the pre-trial stuff influence my decision.

IOW, I would make my decision solely on what evidence has been presented in court.

JMHO

[donna]

Originally posted by strick10


That's a very good question donna. [/*]

Oh, and I have to add that I did not dream this question up myself! It was on one of the blogs! I can't take credit for it!

It IS a very good question, tho!

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by henry


i thought i heard yesterday that all charges, including NCIS, had to be filed prior to extradition from mexico . . . iirc & imo & no link right now (sorry!)

edit : hi strick10 - great opening - thanks tons! [/*]

If the Marine Corps wishes to try Laurean, it must file charges before his first extradition hearing. The extradition process could take between two months and a year, depending on if Laurean decides to fight it.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2725209/


But Mexico also does not like to send someone back if they are going to face a military tribunal, Gutheinz said, and the military has been "very quiet" about whether it will be involved in the prosecution of the case.

"What I would have expected the military to say is that as long as the case is prosecuted in Onslow County, we will defer to the DA and not pursue charges," he said. "You would think there would be this communication, and not one word. It's a wall of silence."

http://www.jdnews.com/news/gutheinz_56009___article.html/mexico_laurean.html


Laurean is charged with first-degree murder in civilian court. While the military could technically seek charges at the same time as civilian authorities, legal experts have said such a joint prosecution is not recommended by the military's manual for courts martial and happens rarely and only in unusual sets of circumstances.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_56036___article.html/investigators_information.html

[donna]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


:eek:

I haven't been called in the past 7 years, so who knows.

And for any of you out there who are saying to themselves OMG not her....let me clue you in on something....If I get a summons, I will tell them I have read all the pre-trial stuff BUT I can be objective and will not let any of the pre-trial stuff influence my decision.

IOW, I would make my decision solely on what evidence has been presented in court.

JMHO [/*]

I know you have integrity, nuttin!


(newest pic on your photobucket?) LOL

[Kel65]

Originally posted by henry
:seeya: everyone . . . sneaking in while supposed to be doing income tax forms . . . ssssh :) . . . just got a "tip" about a myspace entry . . . you have to scroll down past a bunch of pictures before you get to it . . . 15 jan post in red . . . and offering it for info purposes only . . . not fact, not speculation, not anything except interesting . . .

i'm thinking that there's a lot more out there on myspace and that's where we'll find a lot more "facts" (loosely using this term here) . . . imo . . .
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=26344987 [/*]

I ran across that last week too, while surfing MySpace. Wonder what else is out there in the MySpace world?

[bkwits]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


:eek:

I haven't been called in the past 7 years, so who knows.

And for any of you out there who are saying to themselves OMG not her....let me clue you in on something....If I get a summons, I will tell them I have read all the pre-trial stuff BUT I can be objective and will not let any of the pre-trial stuff influence my decision.

IOW, I would make my decision solely on what evidence has been presented in court.

JMHO [/*]

I could not be so objective, but judging from your posts, you probably can, IMO.

Hey, you could come back and tell us about it after the trial.l ;)

[strick10]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


-respectfully snipped-
But Mexico also does not like to send someone back if they are going to face a military tribunal, Gutheinz said, and the military has been "very quiet" about whether it will be involved in the prosecution of the case.

"What I would have expected the military to say is that as long as the case is prosecuted in Onslow County, we will defer to the DA and not pursue charges," he said. "You would think there would be this communication, and not one word. It's a wall of silence."

http://www.jdnews.com/news/gutheinz_56009___article.html/mexico_laurean.html

Guteinz does not know what the LE and the MC have discussed or does he? "A wall of silence" you bet just as the LE has put up a wall for reasons they believe they need to put up that wall.

[nuttintodo]

Now you wanna talk about MISPRINTS??? Now here's a doozie....

http://www.bluelineradio.com/

Scroll down to article about CAL....

Cesar Laurean, accused killer of fellow Marine, Christine Lauterbach, is captured in Mexico.

Some one must have been in a hurry....

[Jan Powell]

Originally posted by henry


i thought i heard yesterday that all charges, including NCIS, had to be filed prior to extradition from mexico . . . iirc & imo & no link right now (sorry!)

edit : hi strick10 - great opening - thanks tons! [/*]

That's what I've heard too. Also I heard DOJ can file their charges under seal. Isn't he considered a federal fugitive? The Treaty to Extradite is between the US and Mexico not NC and Mexico.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


If the Marine Corps wishes to try Laurean, it must file charges before his first extradition hearing. The extradition process could take between two months and a year, depending on if Laurean decides to fight it.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2725209/


But Mexico also does not like to send someone back if they are going to face a military tribunal, Gutheinz said, and the military has been "very quiet" about whether it will be involved in the prosecution of the case.

"What I would have expected the military to say is that as long as the case is prosecuted in Onslow County, we will defer to the DA and not pursue charges," he said. "You would think there would be this communication, and not one word. It's a wall of silence."

http://www.jdnews.com/news/gutheinz_56009___article.html/mexico_laurean.html


Laurean is charged with first-degree murder in civilian court. While the military could technically seek charges at the same time as civilian authorities, legal experts have said such a joint prosecution is not recommended by the military's manual for courts martial and happens rarely and only in unusual sets of circumstances.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_56036___article.html/investigators_information.html [/*]

Thanks Lynn. You are just super duper!

So when is Laurean's first hearing to be held in Mexico? Do we know? I know it is being pushed up I think I heard but I am not sure when it will be.

imoo

[strick10]

Originally posted by Kel65


I ran across that last week too, while surfing MySpace. Wonder what else is out there in the MySpace world? [/*]

There's quite a few blogs but other than the table issue I didn't see anything that was of real interest. Then again, I probably missed something.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Now you wanna talk about MISPRINTS??? Now here's a doozie....

http://www.bluelineradio.com/

Scroll down to article about CAL....

Cesar Laurean, accused killer of fellow Marine, Christine Lauterbach, is captured in Mexico.

Some one must have been in a hurry.... [/*]


:eek: :chicken:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Thanks Lynn. You are just super duper!

So when is Laurean's first hearing to be held in Mexico? Do we know? I know it is being pushed up I think I heard but I am not sure when it will be.

imoo [/*]

that housley blog said one hearing had already happened, IIRC.

http://onthescene.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/04/11/housley-2/

(edited to add link)

[Kel65]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


that housley blog said one hearing had already happened, IIRC. [/*]

I wonder if anything about what Cesar says in those hearings will get out to the public?

[donna]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Now you wanna talk about MISPRINTS??? Now here's a doozie....

http://www.bluelineradio.com/

Scroll down to article about CAL....

Cesar Laurean, accused killer of fellow Marine, Christine Lauterbach, is captured in Mexico.

Some one must have been in a hurry.... [/*]

:eek:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Kel65


I wonder if anything about what Cesar says in those hearings will get out to the public? [/*]

I don't know - it said the hearing and interrogation were "private".

http://onthescene.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/04/11/housley-2/

[Howiefan]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Now you wanna talk about MISPRINTS??? Now here's a doozie....

http://www.bluelineradio.com/

Scroll down to article about CAL....

Cesar Laurean, accused killer of fellow Marine, Christine Lauterbach, is captured in Mexico.

Some one must have been in a hurry.... [/*]
lol "captured one year to the date Maria was killed"
way off.. must have been in a hurry

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Howiefan

lol "captured one year to the date Maria was killed"
way off.. must have been in a hurry [/*]

one year to the date of the rape allegation, though.

JMO

[strick10]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


one year to the date of the rape allegation, though.

JMO [/*]

I thought the rape allegation was made in May 07?

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by bkwits


Mornin:seeya:

If CL is tried in civil court and found NG or hung jury, could or would the MC then try him on other charges (desertion, etc)? [/*]

Oops.....I didnt see your post, bkwits.

Good Day to you too!:seeya:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


that housley blog said one hearing had already happened, IIRC.

http://onthescene.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/04/11/housley-2/

(edited to add link) [/*]

Thanks, Gaelic.

I am sorry to hear about your accident. I hope you will mend quickly!:seeya:

[Kel65]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I don't know - it said the hearing and interrogation were "private".

http://onthescene.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/04/11/housley-2/ [/*]

I am wondering if that kind of information is easily attained through bribes down there?

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by strick10


I thought the rape allegation was made in May 07? [/*]

you are correct... but the rape allegedly occurred April 10.

jmo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Thanks, Gaelic.

I am sorry to hear about your accident. I hope you will mend quickly!:seeya: [/*]

thanks, GB!

[donna]

See you all later! Got to get some sleep!

[Howiefan]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


one year to the date of the rape allegation, though.

JMO [/*]
oops you are right gaelic... no glasses on.. serves me right hammer

[bkwits]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Oops.....I didnt see your post, bkwits.

Good Day to you too!:seeya: [/*][/QUOTE

Hey GB]:patriot:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Howiefan

oops you are right gaelic... no glasses on.. serves me right hammer [/*]

lol - it's ok, Howiefan. I hadn't even looked at the bluelineradio link - it just occurred to me when you typed that that it was the same date as the alleged rape.

(talk about karma!)

JMO

[daniel green]

Originally posted by SavannahStar
First two links don't work for me Lynn but the third does. Sheesh talk about a stark existence. No wonder he gave up so easily. [/*]

Yes.

I agree.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Now you wanna talk about MISPRINTS??? Now here's a doozie....

http://www.bluelineradio.com/

Scroll down to article about CAL....

Cesar Laurean, accused killer of fellow Marine, Christine Lauterbach, is captured in Mexico.

Some one must have been in a hurry.... [/*]
Hi nuttin :seeya: OMG ~ talk about a major misprint and not proofing what they've printed!

[sunstar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


you are correct... but the rape allegedly occurred April 10.

jmo [/*]
And talk about coincidence!

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


you are correct... but the rape allegedly occurred April 10.

jmo [/*]

I've always seen it written that the 2nd alleged rape occured "approximately 2 weeks later" in regards to the March 26th date. However, in the 1/15 Marine Corps PC, Col. Sokoloski gives the April 11th date:

@ 7:50 thru 9:00 in the video

Colonel Sokoloski: When the prosecutor was interviewing LCpl Lauterbach in preparation for a possible preferral of charges, they were talking about obviously the sequence of events and the evidence. And, in these cases, obviously the credibility of the witnesses are critical and corroborating the witness’ statements are very critical. 26th of March or the 11th of April.

http://www.jdnews.com/video/index.php?bcpid=1156002469&bclid=1155200144&bctid=1379594756

Copyright © 2008

[daniel green]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I think it will depend and the government will wait for years if they have to......

If the State trial doesn't bring a harsh punishment the military MAY decide to try him but as it stand now.......why would they if he gets LWOP? It just wouldn't be feasible or cost effective to do so.

Now if that was the only charge lodged against him the MC certainly would court martial him for being a deserter I would think.

imo [/*]

Court martial for sure.

But what else would he be tried for in Fed Ct or military ct? Not the murder, since that is not in his jurisdiction.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Absolutely and with the long standing relationship between the military and civilian courts...... the military respects their rights to try their own cases and do not intervene.

Only in rare cases and this is not one of them imo.

Now if he had been some mad terrorists like Timothy McVeigh then he may have been tried in both courts under different offenses.

imoo [/*]

But the feds were involved in that case because he blew up a FEDERAL bldg.

[Devotion]

Originally posted by henry
:seeya: everyone . . . just got a "tip" about a myspace entry . . . you have to scroll down past a bunch of pictures before you get to it . . . 15 jan post in red . . .
and offering it for info purposes only . . . not fact, not speculation, not anything except interesting . . .

i'm thinking that there's a lot more out there on myspace and that's where we'll find a lot more "facts" (loosely using this term here) . . . imo . . .
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=26344987 [/*]

Henry...Great find... with new information.

lejeuneyardsales.com.
A female bought a dining room table from CL and wife. They met the buyer at a bank in town to give her the table because they wouldn't let Her come to their house.
The police didn't need the table???.
The buyer re-upholstered it because it was so creepy?
My question is Why ,was there damage or spots?

This definately leads to more questions as to IF Christina knew ? Why sell the dining room table, or WAS the table connected to the murder? ....jmo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Devotion


Henry...Great find... with new information.

lejeuneyardsales.com.
A female bought a dining room table from CL and wife. They met the buyer at a bank in town to give her the table because they wouldn't let Her come to their house.
The police didn't need the table???.
The buyer re-upholstered it because it was so creepy.

This definately leads to more questions as to IF Christina knew ? Why sell the dining room table, or WAS the table connected to the murder? ....jmo [/*]

why would they "re-upholster" a table? maybe they meant the seat covers on the chairs?

JMO

[Lynn Gweeny]

Complete Interview with Mary Lauterbach/Merle Wilberding (12:07)

(Includes comments about the capture of Cesar Laurean, wanting to know just what happened within the 2-1/2 hours that she talked to Maria and the note was found by Sgt. Durham, comments about Laurean's family and Christina and more)

http://tinyurl.com/6ppzpt

[daniel green]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


you are correct... but the rape allegedly occurred April 10.

jmo [/*]

Is that right?

I am reading the Marine's letter to the congressman and in it they note that ML reported the alleged "sexual incidents" a month after the fact. And that she said one incident was consensual.

And she made the rape claims on May 11.

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


why would they "re-upholster" a table? maybe they meant the seat covers on the chairs?

JMO [/*]

I was thinking the same thing. I hate to presume what others 'really mean', but I'm having a hard time figuring out why a TABLE would be upholstered in the first place.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Devotion



lejeuneyardsales.com.
A female bought a dining room table from CL and wife. They met the buyer at a bank in town to give her the table because they wouldn't let Her come to their house.


This definately leads to more questions as to IF Christina knew ? Why sell the dining room table, or WAS the table connected to the murder? ....jmo [/*]
Assuming this is all true, the most interesting thing is the buyer having to meet Mrs. CL at a bank to deliver the table and why they were selling it to begin with around the same time Maria was buried in the back yard.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by daniel green


Is that right?

I am reading the Marine's letter to the congressman and in it they note that ML reported the alleged "sexual incidents" a month after the fact. And that she said one incident was consensual.

And she made the rape claims on May 11. [/*]

I've heard Mar 26 and about 2 weeks later, April 10, and Lynn just posted a link saying about Mar 26 and April 11. Sounds like they aren't exactly sure of the second date, IMO. I just thought it was an interesting coincidence.

imo

[daniel green]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


I've always seen it written that the 2nd alleged rape occured "approximately 2 weeks later" in regards to the March 26th date. However, in the 1/15 Marine Corps PC, Col. Sokoloski gives the April 11th date:

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http://www.jdnews.com/video/index.php?bcpid=1156002469&bclid=1155200144&bctid=1379594756 [/*]

As per the marine's letter, ML told them that one of the incidents was consensual sex and that the other she considered rape though there was no force or coercison. And that she didn't want to have sex with him because he was married and had a child.

Pg 2, Q/A 1:

http://media.mgnetwork.com/nct/images/links/marinequestions.pdf

[Kel65]

Originally posted by sunstar

Assuming this is all true, the most interesting thing is the buyer having to meet Mrs. CL at a bank to deliver the table and why they were selling it to begin with around the same time Maria was buried in the back yard. [/*]

I think LE wasn't interested in the yard sale dining room set is because the date it was purchased from the Laurean's may be before the murder. IIRC, when LE emptied out the Laurean's garage into their driveway, there were some dining room chairs in the driveway that looked pretty new. I say that because they had white or beige seat covers on them that appeared clean .

I know a lot of people who don't want people to know where they live for security purposes, so I don't think it is so strange to meet someone somewhere to drop off the dining room set. Especially a bank, if the buyer had to get some cash to pay for the set.

JMO.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by daniel green


As per the marine's letter, ML told them that one of the incidents was consensual sex and that the other she considered rape though there was no force or coercison. And that she didn't want to have sex with him because he was married and had a child.

Pg 2, Q/A 1:

http://media.mgnetwork.com/nct/images/links/marinequestions.pdf [/*]

@ 21:30 thru 24:40

Col. Sokoloski: She complained of a rape. NCIS opened the case as a rape case. And, what we’re trying to articulate to you is that LCpl. Lauterbach continued to say that she had been raped by Cpl. Laurean and at no point in time did the prosecutors or commanders just stop, and say, and make an assessment on the facts, and then stop.
http://www.jdnews.com/video/index.php?bcpid=1156002469&bclid=1155200144&bctid=1379594756

Copyright © 2008

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Kel65


I think LE wasn't interested in the yard sale dining room set is because the date it was purchased from the Laurean's may be before the murder. IIRC, when LE emptied out the Laurean's garage into their driveway, there were some dining room chairs in the driveway that looked pretty new. I say that because they had white or beige seat covers on them that appeared clean .

I know a lot of people who don't want people to know where they live for security purposes, so I don't think it is so strange to meet someone somewhere to drop off the dining room set. Especially a bank, if the buyer had to get some cash to pay for the set.

JMO. [/*]
You're right on both parts, and for sure, it doesn't say when the date of the sale was. It could be that the blogger is just trying to make an inference that there was something "wrong" with the dining room table and chairs like it had been part of the crime scene.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


you are correct... but the rape allegedly occurred April 10.

jmo [/*]

Do you mean the alleged rape occurred on April 10th?

Hope you're feeling better today.

:o jmo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Do you mean the alleged rape occurred on April 10th?

Hope you're feeling better today.

:o jmo [/*]

thanks. and yes, the alleged rape allegedly occurred somewhere around April 10. (is that better? ):)

[Mimi428]

Thank you, Lynn - you are better than the best.


develop evidence that would either indicate one was more consensual than the other or one was more non-consensual than the other.

More consensual? More non-consensual? What the heck does that mean, I wonder?

[strick10]

Originally posted by Devotion


Henry...Great find... with new information.

lejeuneyardsales.com.
A female bought a dining room table from CL and wife. They met the buyer at a bank in town to give her the table because they wouldn't let Her come to their house.
The police didn't need the table???.
The buyer re-upholstered it because it was so creepy?
My question is Why ,was there damage or spots?

This definately leads to more questions as to IF Christina knew ? Why sell the dining room table, or WAS the table connected to the murder? ....jmo [/*]

In previous posts I kept harping on the dining set that was in the garage and wondered why the L's hadn't brought it in the house. I wondered if there was something significant about the set that had the L's hesitant about bringing it in. Most posters didn't find anything unique in that. Now I see that it was probably a new set in the garage and I stand that there must be something about the dining set they previously owned. I think the attack on Maria began in the dinning area.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


@ 21:30 thru 24:40

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http://www.jdnews.com/video/index.php?bcpid=1156002469&bclid=1155200144&bctid=1379594756 [/*]

Thank you, Lynn.

I do think the letter to the congressman contains the most up to date information, and is much more candid.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Mimi428
Thank you, Lynn - you are better than the best.


develop evidence that would either indicate one was more consensual than the other or one was more non-consensual than the other.

More consensual? More non-consensual? What the heck does that mean, I wonder? [/*]
Bad wording Mimi. I guess one was consensual and one she initally consented and changed her mind in which she asked him to stop.....:shrug:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by strick10


In previous posts I kept harping on the dining set that was in the garage and wondered why the L's hadn't brought it in the house. I wondered if there was something significant about the set that had the L's hesitant about bringing it in. Most posters didn't find anything unique in that. Now I see that it was probably a new set in the garage and I stand that there must be something about the dining set they previously owned. I think the attack on Maria began in the dinning area. [/*]

could be, Strick....

[strick10]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


could be, Strick.... [/*]

I also stand strongly w/ my Minute Maid punch theory! Great to see you gpeas!

[Lynn Gweeny]

The mother of Maria Lauterbach, Mary, and family attorney, Merle Wilberding, spoke to News Center 7 about the arrest of Cpl. Laurean

In this excerpt, Mary Lauterbach expressed her thoughts on what may have happened on December 14th.

http://www.whiotv.com/video/15858507/index.html

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by strick10


I also stand strongly w/ my Minute Maid punch theory! Great to see you gpeas! [/*]

thanks, Strick!

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


OOPS! Thanks, here they are so they can be viewed:

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q24/lynngweenytoo/Maria%20Lauterbach/slideshow_498149_Mexico_US_Missing_.jpg


http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q24/lynngweenytoo/Maria%20Lauterbach/slideshow_498088_Mexico_US_Missing_.jpg


http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q24/lynngweenytoo/Maria%20Lauterbach/slideshow_498108_Mexico_US_Missing_.jpg [/*]

Hey Lynn -
Thanks for all the great links today! I'm still reading about the recent developments so I'll check back in later. I have a feeling more and more will be revealed with each passing day and it's gonna be a full time job just catching up ... lol!

[henry]

Originally posted by sunstar

Assuming this is all true, the most interesting thing is the buyer having to meet Mrs. CL at a bank to deliver the table and why they were selling it to begin with around the same time Maria was buried in the back yard. [/*]

yup . . . guess they weren't making coffee that day & inviting people in :eek:

[bkwits]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


why would they "re-upholster" a table? maybe they meant the seat covers on the chairs?

JMO [/*]

I wondered the same thing, but maybe they refinished it.:shrug:

[strick10]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
It seems I either read somewhere or saw on Greta that there was blood spatter evidence on the ceiling in the kitchen area of the house. Does anyone recall this? [/*]

The kitchen was never mentioned as having blood splatter IIRC. Blood and spatter was in the garage and it was said there was blood in the house but did not specify where. Too lazy to look for the link so I'll say IIRC and JMO.

[strick10]

Originally posted by sherryhefner



I know what you mean.....there are so many links now thats it takes forever to find the one I'm looking for. I don't know why I'm thinking that there was evidence on the kitchen ceiling....but when someone said something about the dining set, it came to mind. Heck, maybe I dreamed it or made it up....:punch: [/*]

I believe it was mentioned that there may have been blood in the kitchen but most believed it was probably brought in from the garage. No need to hammer ...... it's hard to remember every detail in this case.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by henry


yup . . . guess they weren't making coffee that day & inviting people in :eek: [/*]



My DH and I bought and sold many dining room sets years and years ago. I would not have bought furniture or almost anything at a bank. If the seller didn't want me to come to the house, I would think something was wrong and back away from the deal.

I would expect someone buying from me would feel the same way and would not expect them to meet me somewhere to pick it up.

A buyer can get in trouble is the seller has stolen the items or doesn't actually have title to them. IMO.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
The mother of Maria Lauterbach, Mary, and family attorney, Merle Wilberding, spoke to News Center 7 about the arrest of Cpl. Laurean

In this excerpt, Mary Lauterbach expressed her thoughts on what may have happened on December 14th.

http://www.whiotv.com/video/15858507/index.html [/*]
Thanks so much Lynn! Now, more questions ~ Maria was supposed to go to the party that night and didn't want to because CL would be there, according to Mary she might have been taken under duress. So is she thinking CL went to Maria's house, made her write the goodbye notes to Durham, forced her to go withdraw money from the bank then took her to his house and killed her? :confused:

[strick10]

Originally posted by sunstar

Thanks so much Lynn! Now, more questions ~ Maria was supposed to go to the party that night and didn't want to because CL would be there, according to Mary she might have been taken under duress. So is she thinking CL went to Maria's house, made her write the goodbye notes to Durham, forced her to go withdraw money from the bank then took her to his house and killed her? :confused: [/*]

If I heard it right it sounds like Mary thinks Maria was most likely kidnapped. Oh and don't forget to go to the bus station to buy a ticket to El Paso. It is a known fact that Maria was not required to attend the Christmas party and it is known that she had elected not to go per the MC presser in Jan. The MC would not have made Maria go. In any case that party was optional to all the Marines in that command.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by henry


yup . . . guess they weren't making coffee that day & inviting people in :eek: [/*]
It doesn't sound like a yard sale either. The more I think about it, yes, some people wouldn't want strangers coming to their house, but most people wouldn't want to have to load something that size into their truck to deliver it only to find the buyer might not want it!

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
Can someone give me a link to this Onslow site that is referenced now and then? [/*]

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com

[sunstar]

Originally posted by strick10


If I heard it right it sounds like Mary thinks Maria was most likely kidnapped. Oh and don't forget to go to the bus station to buy a ticket to El Paso. It is a known fact that Maria was not required to attend the Christmas party and it is known that she had elected not to go per the MC presser in Jan. The MC would not have made Maria go. In any case that party was optional to all the Marines in that command. [/*]
That's what I got from it too. I can't see the kidnapping theory though with all those stops in between her house and his. And she sure didn't look like she was getting dressed for a party in the video from the bank.

[strick10]

Originally posted by sunstar

That's what I got from it too. I can't see the kidnapping theory though with all those stops in between her house and his. And she sure didn't look like she was getting dressed for a party in the video from the bank. [/*]
I don't see the kidnapping theory either sunstar. I do wonder what convinced Maria to #1 leave on that day and #2 go to Laureans house.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by strick10


If I heard it right it sounds like Mary thinks Maria was most likely kidnapped. Oh and don't forget to go to the bus station to buy a ticket to El Paso. It is a known fact that Maria was not required to attend the Christmas party and it is known that she had elected not to go per the MC presser in Jan. The MC would not have made Maria go. In any case that party was optional to all the Marines in that command. [/*]

Exactly and it seems like the facts are changing again Strick. Now there is no mention of talking about the baby, it was all about the party IMO.

Well, that leads me to believe it's reached another level in the rewriting of history from my POV.

At this time she is now saying Maria told her she didn't even like him and before Maria told her he was popular.

There is so much being reconstructed, I can hardly keep up.

JMO and I am very sad to have that opinion, trust me. :(

[hinman]

I have just got done reading all the links provided today thank you Lynn, nuttin , henry and gaelic. If I missed anybody I am sorry.

I am trying to absorb it all in. I found it interesting about the car being moved around and also Lindell's comment about the kidnapping.

[Miss Behavin]

I am getting confused - thought the mother said in the interview that the party was mandatory and Maria was mad about going and that's why they had the plan that she would go and show her face, and then call the mother when she got home....

Also, I don't have all day to go thru the pages of links so if anybody has it handy - I would appreciate a link to the bank video or atm photo (video)?

TIA

[strick10]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Exactly and it seems like the facts are changing again Strick. Now there is no mention of talking about the baby, it was all about the party IMO.

Well, that leads me to believe it's reached another level in the rewriting of history from my POV.

At this time she is now saying Maria told her she didn't even like him and before Maria told her he was popular.

There is so much being reconstructed, I can hardly keep up.

JMO and I am very sad to have that opinion, trust me. :( [/*]

I really don't understand what Mary is trying to accomplish by adding bits and pieces to her story. Maybe it's just me but it seems that everytime she talks there's more tid bits to add about her last convo w/ Maria. I understand that she feels that there may something that can be implemented in all the military services that may offer a rape acuser protection and to a point I can see that there may be room for improvement, I don't know other than procedures and policies can be re-looked. I can see it coming though. Female doesn't like her duty station, let's allege rape so I can be transferred. This will certainly take away from those victims that are truely raped. Don't know about the other services but I can tell you by experience that the MC has come a long way in the sexual harrasment and in helping female Marines that may have been sexually attacked. True example: In 1983 someone climbed into an open window to our room in our barracks. Mind you the barracks was surrounded by a very high fence w/ barbed wire up top. Anywho he started choking one of my room mates. It woke me up and at first I thought it may have been her boyfriend that came in to "you know". Something didn't sound right to me so I turned on the light. The dude split. She flew out of the room and went to the duty. MP's were called and guess what? No one ever questioned me. I didn't see his face but I could tell how tall etc. he was. They found a muddy shoe print outside our window but they shut the case a day or so later saying the gal shouldn't have left the window open. MPs didn't bother going to the male barracks to look for someone whom may have entered w/ muddy shoes. To top it off this gal was not moved from the room.

[Miss Behavin]

I would also like to note that part of the confusion (for me, anyway) is the fact that in the very early days when the media started printing reports of Maria's disappearance - there were references made about her mother, Mary, as well as a step-mother, Mary, :confused: I know that can't be....

Also would appreciate some clarification as to the baby situation. Was it her mother - or stepmother - who thought she should give the baby up for adoption? And, had Maria decided for sure what she was going to do about the baby?

[sunstar]

Originally posted by strick10

I don't see the kidnapping theory either sunstar. I do wonder what convinced Maria to #1 leave on that day and #2 go to Laureans house. [/*]
It was Friday and pay day ~ that could be part of it. Without knowing if CL and Maria were still in touch with each other, it's hard to say why she bought the bus ticket for El Paso (even though LE claims to know) then ended up at his house unless it was to say goodbye? And didn't CL say she left and came back? It could be she'd changed her mind about leaving and that didn't sit right with somebody.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin
I am getting confused - thought the mother said in the interview that the party was mandatory and Maria was mad about going and that's why they had the plan that she would go and show her face, and then call the mother when she got home....

Also, I don't have all day to go thru the pages of links so if anybody has it handy - I would appreciate a link to the bank video or atm photo (video)?

TIA [/*]

No the party was not mandatory. It's been stated by the MC. Maria told her mother that it was mandatory. Not only was the party optional but the response from the MC to the Congressman made it clear what was expected and enforced in regards to the MPO. The MC would've never ever forced Maria to come to that party if CAL was going to be there or they would've made sure CAL wasn't going to be there if Maria elected to attend.

[hinman]

Originally posted by sunstar

It was Friday and pay day ~ that could be part of it. Without knowing if CL and Maria were still in touch with each other, it's hard to say why she bought the bus ticket for El Paso (even though LE claims to know) then ended up at his house unless it was to say goodbye? And didn't CL say she left and came back? It could be she'd changed her mind about leaving and that didn't sit right with somebody. [/*]The part that is the oddest for me is why would CL even mention going to the bus stop with Maria?

There is no evidence he was there so why would he write that?

[strick10]

Originally posted by sunstar

It was Friday and pay day ~ that could be part of it. Without knowing if CL and Maria were still in touch with each other, it's hard to say why she bought the bus ticket for El Paso (even though LE claims to know) then ended up at his house unless it was to say goodbye? And didn't CL say she left and came back? It could be she'd changed her mind about leaving and that didn't sit right with somebody. [/*]

Could be sunstar. CAL said she came back later that evening. To me that would be around 7 or after. Maybe she did re-think the whole thing and decided not to run and it drove her killer to the edge. Or maybe CAL was suppose to go w/ her and didn't show up at a meeting place or something. Guess we'll find out someday.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by sunstar

It was Friday and pay day ~ that could be part of it. Without knowing if CL and Maria were still in touch with each other, it's hard to say why she bought the bus ticket for El Paso (even though LE claims to know) then ended up at his house unless it was to say goodbye? And didn't CL say she left and came back? It could be she'd changed her mind about leaving and that didn't sit right with somebody. [/*]

Just a quick question - has LE verified that it was indeed Maria who bought the bus ticket? What date was it purchased? (sorry, hard to keep it all straight...)

The bus ticket was bought to go to El Paso, TX? What's there? And, why not drive?

[strick10]

Was reading and came upon this survey:

http://lejeuneunderground.com/topic.jsp?topicId=11139273

This is about 2 days old. Interesting how the community at Lejeune feels.

[hinman]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


Just a quick question - has LE verified that it was indeed Maria who bought the bus ticket? What date was it purchased? (sorry, hard to keep it all straight...)

The bus ticket was bought to go to El Paso, TX? What's there? And, why not drive? [/*]Le has verified it was Maria who bought the bus ticket on the 14 for the 15.

[nuttintodo]

Link to both Maria's 12/14/07 ATM and CAL's 12/24/07 ATM:

http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1382936491&channel=570698209

This also includes the dude with CAL at Lowe's. (it's under the video that will be playing)

[sunstar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Exactly and it seems like the facts are changing again Strick. Now there is no mention of talking about the baby, it was all about the party IMO.

Well, that leads me to believe it's reached another level in the rewriting of history from my POV.

At this time she is now saying Maria told her she didn't even like him and before Maria told her he was popular.

There is so much being reconstructed, I can hardly keep up.

JMO and I am very sad to have that opinion, trust me. :( [/*]
And what was the part with her saying she'd talked with Maria in the afternoon and 2-1/2 hrs. later she's missing? Or is she referring to it in hindsight knowing when Maria was last seen?

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


Just a quick question - has LE verified that it was indeed Maria who bought the bus ticket? What date was it purchased? (sorry, hard to keep it all straight...)

The bus ticket was bought to go to El Paso, TX? What's there? And, why not drive? [/*]
Yes, LE has said it's Maria who was at the bus station buying the ticket approx. 5pm on the 14th for a trip to El Paso on the 15th. They seem to know what the significance of El Paso is but haven't revealed it.

[Ionmhainn]

Just an observation re phone calls. My husband hated to talk on the phone, so he would always say, "you take it." Of course, after I hung up, the next question would be "what did he/she have to say?" At that precise moment I would be able to give him a brief run down. Without fail, hours later, sometimes days, I would recall parts of the conversation that I hadn't mentioned. In the meantime, I'm sure that the conversation had "run through my filter", but I wouldn't like to be seen as "rewriting history!"
We all "interpret" what we hear!

Re the party, and we discussed this way back...while not mandatory, there can be some feeling of obligation to attend, especially in the junior ranks. It could be that Maria felt she "should" go.
JMO

[sunstar]

Originally posted by strick10
Was reading and came upon this survey:

http://lejeuneunderground.com/topic.jsp?topicId=11139273

This is about 2 days old. Interesting how the community at Lejeune feels. [/*]
OMG ~ :eek: His defense attorney would like that!

[hinman]

Originally posted by sunstar

OMG ~ :eek: His defense attorney would like that! [/*]I wonder what sheriff Brown and Hudson think of the poll.

They have got to know how the public feels about Christina and I am sure they got evidence to show that CL really was the one who did all the illegal stuff.

Anyway I bet they want to shout sometimes that they are not dumb and if they could they would charge her.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Ionmhainn
Just an observation re phone calls. My husband hated to talk on the phone, so he would always say, "you take it." Of course, after I hung up, the next question would be "what did he/she have to say?" At that precise moment I would be able to give him a brief run down. Without fail, hours later, sometimes days, I would recall parts of the conversation that I hadn't mentioned. In the meantime, I'm sure that the conversation had "run through my filter", but I wouldn't like to be seen as "rewriting history!"
We all "interpret" what we hear!

Re the party, and we discussed this way back...while not mandatory, there can be some feeling of obligation to attend, especially in the junior ranks. It could be that Maria felt she "should" go.
JMO [/*]

Okay Ionmhainn I understand where you're coming from regarding phone calls.

I don't understand why Maria felt she "should" go though. It wasn't an official or formal function. In fact Maria was exempt from formations etc. so why would she feel that she had to make an appearance at company level informal party?

[sunstar]

Originally posted by hinman
The part that is the oddest for me is why would CL even mention going to the bus stop with Maria?

There is no evidence he was there so why would he write that? [/*]
Unless it was his money that paid for the ticket, despite her withdrawing money from the ATM, or maybe he didn't know he hadn't been captured on a surveillance camera?

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by strick10


I really don't understand what Mary is trying to accomplish by adding bits and pieces to her story. Maybe it's just me but it seems that everytime she talks there's more tid bits to add about her last convo w/ Maria. I understand that she feels that there may something that can be implemented in all the military services that may offer a rape acuser protection and to a point I can see that there may be room for improvement, I don't know other than procedures and policies can be re-looked. I can see it coming though. Female doesn't like her duty station, let's allege rape so I can be transferred. This will certainly take away from those victims that are truely raped. Don't know about the other services but I can tell you by experience that the MC has come a long way in the sexual harrasment and in helping female Marines that may have been sexually attacked. True example: In 1983 someone climbed into an open window to our room in our barracks. Mind you the barracks was surrounded by a very high fence w/ barbed wire up top. Anywho he started choking one of my room mates. It woke me up and at first I thought it may have been her boyfriend that came in to "you know". Something didn't sound right to me so I turned on the light. The dude split. She flew out of the room and went to the duty. MP's were called and guess what? No one ever questioned me. I didn't see his face but I could tell how tall etc. he was. They found a muddy shoe print outside our window but they shut the case a day or so later saying the gal shouldn't have left the window open. MPs didn't bother going to the male barracks to look for someone whom may have entered w/ muddy shoes. To top it off this gal was not moved from the room. [/*]

ITA about them coming a long way strick. That's sad to hear and I'm glad you prefaced it with 1983.

Sadly, I think this is to bolster the idea the USMC is somehow responsible and I am not of that opinion at this time.

The idea that Maria used the MPO to avoid other functions tells me Mary either was not getting the truth or the story evolved and I don't know which to believe since Maria can't tell us.

The idea her friends have confirmed some kind of relationship and that Mary is now saying she didn't even like him....

Didn't she tell us via DDN Maria told her he was popular? Some things just simply don't ring true here and wreak of legal counsel IMO. :(

There are many things that have been said by Mary and Peter, but now it seems it's all new IMO.

ALL JMO.

[hinman]

Originally posted by sunstar

Unless it was his money that paid for the ticket, despite her withdrawing money from the ATM, or maybe he didn't know he hadn't been captured on a surveillance camera? [/*]Could be. I think it is a piece of the puzzle though. That has got to play in some how.

Or maybe because someone saw him driving her car that day or riding in her car and his excuse could be he took her to get the bus ticket.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Link to both Maria's 12/14/07 ATM and CAL's 12/24/07 ATM:

http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1382936491&channel=570698209

This also includes the dude with CAL at Lowe's. (it's under the video that will be playing) [/*]

Thanks for that link - it moved so fast I had to replay it twice.

[strick10]

Originally posted by hinman
I wonder what sheriff Brown and Hudson think of the poll.

They have got to know how the public feels about Christina and I am sure they got evidence to show that CL really was the one who did all the illegal stuff.

Anyway I bet they want to shout sometimes that they are not dumb and if they could they would charge her. [/*]

I bet their pulling their hair out about the public opinion regarding how they are handling CSL. But like they've said, without evidence or a witness they can't charge CSL w/ anything. I wonder what CAL is going to have to say when he's returned. He said "proof" to one of the reporters and I wonder what he means by that. He has proof that it wasn't him or there's no proof he did it.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by hinman
I wonder what sheriff Brown and Hudson think of the poll.

They have got to know how the public feels about Christina and I am sure they got evidence to show that CL really was the one who did all the illegal stuff.

Anyway I bet they want to shout sometimes that they are not dumb and if they could they would charge her. [/*]
Unless they have the murder weapon with his DNA/fingerprints all over it, or Mrs. CL wasn't at home at all on the evening/night of the 14th or on the 15th, they don't have "proof".

[Ionmhainn]

Originally posted by strick10


Okay Ionmhainn I understand where you're coming from regarding phone calls.

I don't understand why Maria felt she "should" go though. It wasn't an official or formal function. In fact Maria was exempt from formations etc. so why would she feel that she had to make an appearance at company level informal party? [/*]

strick...just personal experience really...have heard lots of grumbling re those parties, lol. Haven't you ever attended one of those functions because you felt you should "show face?"

ETA...re the phone call in question...to me its only real relevance is the timeline.
MO

[hinman]

Originally posted by strick10


I bet their pulling their hair out about the public opinion regarding how they are handling CSL. But like they've said, without evidence or a witness they can't charge CSL w/ anything. I wonder what CAL is going to have to say when he's returned. He said "proof" to one of the reporters and I wonder what he means by that. He has proof that it wasn't him or there's no proof he did it. [/*]It could be very interesting strick. It does not sound like a confession is in the future though. Unless he has a change of heart.

[hinman]

Originally posted by sunstar

Unless they have the murder weapon with his DNA/fingerprints all over it, or Mrs. CL wasn't at home at all on the evening/night of the 14th or on the 15th, they don't have "proof". [/*]They could have that. I have no idea what evidence they have. I hope they have something though sunstar.

I would hate to see no justice for Maria.

[strick10]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


ITA about them coming a long way strick. That's sad to hear and I'm glad you prefaced it with 1983.

Sadly, I think this is to bolster the idea the USMC is somehow responsible and I am not of that opinion at this time.

The idea that Maria used the MPO to avoid other functions tells me Mary either was not getting the truth or the story evolved and I don't know which to believe since Maria can't tell us.

The idea her friends have confirmed some kind of relationship and that Mary is now saying she didn't even like him....

Didn't she tell us via DDN Maria told her he was popular? Some things just simply don't ring true here and wreak of legal counsel IMO. :(

There are many things that have been said by Mary and Peter, but now it seems it's all new IMO.

ALL JMO. [/*]
I'm with you in regards to the USMC being responsible. They did everything by the book. No one can find anything where they or NCIS omitted a procedure or policy. The MC and NCIS did not follow their own made up rules. They followed procedures/policies as set forth. Period. "she didn't even like him". Could she have found this out through the same friends? An yes she did say Maria told her that CAL was "popular". The MC is not a popularity contest if it were I would've been a general, jk. Her legal counsel was in Vietnam.....that was years ago dude and things have drastically changed in the military. Though his service may give him a better peek into the military he was not around long enough to see the evolutions of the services. BTW where is Peter?

[strick10]

Originally posted by sunstar

Unless they have the murder weapon with his DNA/fingerprints all over it, or Mrs. CL wasn't at home at all on the evening/night of the 14th or on the 15th, they don't have "proof". [/*]

But CSL claims to have been home on the 14th and still they have nothing.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by hinman
They could have that. I have no idea what evidence they have. I hope they have something though sunstar.

I would hate to see no justice for Maria. [/*]
Oh I think he'll be convicted, it's just that if the poll on that site is any indication, there may be some who think he had help.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Ionmhainn


strick...just personal experience really...have heard lots of grumbling re those parties, lol. Haven't you ever attended one of those functions because you felt you should "show face?"

ETA...re the phone call in question...to me its only real relevance is the timeline.
MO [/*]

Some command functions are not looked forward to but if they are mandatory you go without question and "You will have fun! darnet! I personally didn't go to all non-mandatory functions if I had better things to do. Didn't feel obligated to go until I reached the NCO ranks and then I felt I had to be there for the Marines under me. It's not uncommon for very few to show up to a nonmandated party.

[strick10]

Originally posted by hinman
It could be very interesting strick. It does not sound like a confession is in the future though. Unless he has a change of heart. [/*]

Well let's see: Love or being locked up forever.....love or being locked up forever. Hmmm if I'm locked up forever she isn't going to stick around.....better tell them everything. At least that's the way I hope he's thinking.

[hinman]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Exactly and it seems like the facts are changing again Strick. Now there is no mention of talking about the baby, it was all about the party IMO.

Well, that leads me to believe it's reached another level in the rewriting of history from my POV.

At this time she is now saying Maria told her she didn't even like him and before Maria told her he was popular.

There is so much being reconstructed, I can hardly keep up.

JMO and I am very sad to have that opinion, trust me. :( [/*]Hey CK.

At this point I think that if Mary ever testifies in the trial the Defense attorney will have a hay day with all he comments she has made in the public.

I am sure there will be more then one jury who discounts her testimony and I mean no disrespect to Mary. I can only imagine what she is going through. I am glad that she is looking into protocol for alleged rape victims and trying to see if there are any improvements that need to be made.

[lilCanuck]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Soon enough.......soon enough.......:cool: [/*]

We have to be patient for sure.. but the family involved and folks on THIS board have been waiting so long for this. I only hope a trial will happen soon. Maybe then we'll hear the whole story. Although I haven't changed my opinion of Christina's involvement, I guess now is the time to wait for actual testimony and proof if there is any. Thank to all who kept this board up and running, waiting for this arrest and hopefully (the whole truth).. It may not happen fast enough to satisfy us, BUT at least we know it WILL happen, and I thank God for that. Hopefully in the not too distant future, we'll ALL know how Maria died, and by whose hands.

[hinman]

Originally posted by strick10


Well let's see: Love or being locked up forever.....love or being locked up forever. Hmmm if I'm locked up forever she isn't going to stick around.....better tell them everything. At least that's the way I hope he's thinking. [/*]Me too but if he meant proof as in they better have some proof I committed the crime, then I do not see him spilling the beans.

Now if he meant something else by proof then he just might spill.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Ionmhainn


strick...just personal experience really...have heard lots of grumbling re those parties, lol. Haven't you ever attended one of those functions because you felt you should "show face?"

ETA...re the phone call in question...to me its only real relevance is the timeline.
MO [/*]

Just thought of something. Since this was a command party they either got their food through the chow hall or through MWR, if MWR still does that. In order for that to happen each section has to turn in a list of those attending the party along w/ their meal card #'s, or whatever they use now, and cash for those whom get BAQ. So in essence a list of people attending had already been made and because the MC presser stated Maria elected not to go it's safe to say that she officially declined to attend. Now w/ Maria having been late to work etc., UA from PT and work (minimal incidents really for her rank IMO as I don't know how often the tardies happened) why would she decide she had to show her face now. Maybe she was feeling lonely and wanted her mothers concern. Also have to remember that she told her mother that she had to attend meetings where CAL was present and that wasn't the case. I think Maria wanted her family to think all was well with her being a Marine.

[Ionmhainn]

Originally posted by strick10


Some command functions are not looked forward to but if they are mandatory you go without question and "You will have fun! darnet! I personally didn't go to all non-mandatory functions if I had better things to do. Didn't feel obligated to go until I reached the NCO ranks and then I felt I had to be there for the Marines under me. It's not uncommon for very few to show up to a nonmandated party. [/*]

Well, that was more or less my point...that "obligation" can be a "feeling," and that we have no way of getting inside Maria's mind.

I know what you mean though, my internal response to "mandatory" was "include me out!" (stolen from some old movie director!)

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

Oh I think he'll be convicted, it's just that if the poll on that site is any indication, there may be some who think he had help. [/*]

That poll is coming from the Marines take on things, right?

Well it is an improvement of sorts from the one they had on the JDNews site where about 2,000+ people voted and all 100% thought that CSL had involvement in this crime. Not one vote cast that she wasn't involved.

I am sure that wasn't lost on his defense attorney either. He knows the buzz that is going around in that county. Like SB said, he has never seen anything like it and all the people that have come up to him about this case and we can bet CSL was the focal point of a lot of those conversations.

JMO tho.

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


That poll is coming from the Marines take on things, right?

Well it is an improvement of sorts from the one they had on the JDNews site where about 2,000+ people voted and all 100% thought that CSL had involvement in this crime. Not one vote cast that she wasn't involved.

I am sure that wasn't lost on his defense attorney either. He knows the buzz that is going around in that county. Like SB said, he has never seen anything like it and all the people that have come up to him about this case and we can bet CSL was the focal point of a lot of those conversations.

JMO tho. [/*]

That poll on LU is coming from Marine wives etc. I'd say about 98% of those posters on that site are Marine wives.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by hinman
Hey CK.

At this point I think that if Mary ever testifies in the trial the Defense attorney will have a hay day with all he comments she has made in the public.

I am sure there will be more then one jury who discounts her testimony and I mean no disrespect to Mary. I can only imagine what she is going through. I am glad that she is looking into protocol for alleged rape victims and trying to see if there are any improvements that need to be made. [/*]Why? her comments have no bearing on the murder :shrug:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by strick10


I bet their pulling their hair out about the public opinion regarding how they are handling CSL. But like they've said, without evidence or a witness they can't charge CSL w/ anything. I wonder what CAL is going to have to say when he's returned. He said "proof" to one of the reporters and I wonder what he means by that. He has proof that it wasn't him or there's no proof he did it. [/*]

It could be neither one. I posted about this right after he was captured. Could be he was saying "okay ya got me, ya got the proof. I give up."

We just don't know but the tendency is to say what you have posted. May NOT be what he meant at all.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by strick10


But CSL claims to have been home on the 14th and still they have nothing. [/*]

:confused:

[strick10]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


It could be neither one. I posted about this right after he was captured. Could be he was saying "okay ya got me, ya got the proof. I give up."

We just don't know but the tendency is to say what you have posted. May NOT be what he meant at all. [/*]

No kidding SS there's no telling exactly how he meant that. Wish he would've added just a few more words. In time we'll know I suppose.

[hinman]

Originally posted by alter ego
Why? her comments have no bearing on the murder :shrug: [/*]That is true. I guess if the DA wants to show that Mary changes her story he could though.

Mary could testify that Maria was afraid of CL( only thing I can think of right now).

I do not think Mary's testimony will effect the trial don't get me wrong, she was just being discussed so the thought popped in my mind.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by strick10


Just thought of something. Since this was a command party they either got their food through the chow hall or through MWR, if MWR still does that. In order for that to happen each section has to turn in a list of those attending the party along w/ their meal card #'s, or whatever they use now, and cash for those whom get BAQ. So in essence a list of people attending had already been made and because the MC presser stated Maria elected not to go it's safe to say that she officially declined to attend. Now w/ Maria having been late to work etc., UA from PT and work (minimal incidents really for her rank IMO as I don't know how often the tardies happened) why would she decide she had to show her face now. Maybe she was feeling lonely and wanted her mothers concern. Also have to remember that she told her mother that she had to attend meetings where CAL was present and that wasn't the case. I think Maria wanted her family to think all was well with her being a Marine. [/*]
Thank you for the information on the protocol for the parties. It's much easier to understand now that this wasn't something Maria could decide at the last minute to go to and I do remember the MC saying she'd elected not to attend. I agree that it looks like Maria was telling her family some things that weren't true, maybe to give them the impression all was well when in fact she regretted joining the Marines and was indeed planning to leave on her own accord ~ especially if there was some disagreement between her and mother about keeping the baby.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


It could be neither one. I posted about this right after he was captured. Could be he was saying "okay ya got me, ya got the proof. I give up."

We just don't know but the tendency is to say what you have posted. May NOT be what he meant at all. [/*]

Right we are just guessing but imo he was flatly denying this and wants to see the proof showing he did.

imoo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


That poll is coming from the Marines take on things, right?

Well it is an improvement of sorts from the one they had on the JDNews site where about 2,000+ people voted and all 100% thought that CSL had involvement in this crime. Not one vote cast that she wasn't involved.

I am sure that wasn't lost on his defense attorney either. He knows the buzz that is going around in that county. Like SB said, he has never seen anything like it and all the people that have come up to him about this case and we can bet CSL was the focal point of a lot of those conversations.

JMO tho. [/*]
Usually when there's a case with a lot of media attention the defense tries to get a change of venue, but if the jury pool believes Mrs. CL was somehow involved, CL's attorney might want to stay in OC.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by hinman
Hey CK.

At this point I think that if Mary ever testifies in the trial the Defense attorney will have a hay day with all he comments she has made in the public.

I am sure there will be more then one jury who discounts her testimony and I mean no disrespect to Mary. I can only imagine what she is going through. I am glad that she is looking into protocol for alleged rape victims and trying to see if there are any improvements that need to be made. [/*]

ITA Hinman and I wish she knew we would still be standing here if it's true as I suspect and others including her friends do as well; that Maria and Cesar had a relationship. It won't change anything about what happened or how heinous it was from my POV.

IT seems like things change so much in the stories but those original stories and statements will be there throughout the trial too and you are correct about how it will be used IMO.

JMO tho. :(

I hope if there are things she can do to help victims of rape, that she will do so, but we know nothing was ever proven as far as that allegation.

Even Christina calls it cheating IIRC. I continue to believe she knew more and Cesar's words of "I loved her" haunt me. JMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by hinman
That is true. I guess if the DA wants to show that Mary changes her story he could though.

Mary could testify that Maria was afraid of CL( only thing I can think of right now).

I do not think Mary's testimony will effect the trial don't get me wrong, she was just being discussed so the thought popped in my mind. [/*]I would think they will show how impossible Cesar's story of suicide is rather than say anything about Maria's stories.

Do we know when the "maria committed suicide" note was written?

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by sunstar

Usually when there's a case with a lot of media attention the defense tries to get a change of venue, but if the jury pool believes Mrs. CL was somehow involved, CL's attorney might want to stay in OC. [/*]

I am wondering about that too Sun. :o It seems the community is none to supportive of Christina and on face it does sound absolutely impossible IMO. But hey, that's JMO.

I will go with Sheriff Ed Brown, and say it's possible she didn't know......but add on mine....just not sold at all.

JMO. ;)

[strick10]

Originally posted by sunstar

Thank you for the information on the protocol for the parties. It's much easier to understand now that this wasn't something Maria could decide at the last minute to go to and I do remember the MC saying she'd elected not to attend. I agree that it looks like Maria was telling her family some things that weren't true, maybe to give them the impression all was well when in fact she regretted joining the Marines and was indeed planning to leave on her own accord ~ especially if there was some disagreement between her and mother about keeping the baby. [/*]

I think Maria was having some difficulties adjusting to the fleet. Her tardies I bet were due to the fact that she lived out in town with Mrs. Renner for awhile. Probably late nights hanging out and no one making sure she was up or whatever. I don't know if she told her mother those things cause she needed someone she needed someone to console her or if she wanted them to have the impression everything was just fine. Maybe both. :shrug:

[hinman]

Originally posted by alter ego
I would think they will show how impossible Cesar's story of suicide is rather than say anything about Maria's stories.

Do we know when the "maria committed suicide" note was written? [/*]I think it was written on the 11 when he took off.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by lilCanuck


We have to be patient for sure.. but the family involved and folks on THIS board have been waiting so long for this. I only hope a trial will happen soon. Maybe then we'll hear the whole story. Although I haven't changed my opinion of Christina's involvement, I guess now is the time to wait for actual testimony and proof if there is any. Thank to all who kept this board up and running, waiting for this arrest and hopefully (the whole truth).. It may not happen fast enough to satisfy us, BUT at least we know it WILL happen, and I thank God for that. Hopefully in the not too distant future, we'll ALL know how Maria died, and by whose hands. [/*]

I am very curious to know what kind of defense will be used myself. I guess much will depend on what goes on between Cesar and his attorneys and whether he ever tells his side of what happened that day tho.

JMO. :shrug:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by hinman
I think it was written on the 11 when he took off. [/*]That indicates to me that he was working on a cover story during the murder or shortly thereafter.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Janz


Good post Ck, because that`s how I feel, too. [/*]

I am thinking much of the testimony and witnesses for the defense will be contingent on what kind of defense he will use.

It could be much different than we suspect, or it might be what some of us have been thinking all along. For all we know, there could have been plans at some point regarding Cesar and Maria or it could be she really didn't care for him and just wanted it all to be over. But if you believe she wanted to keep the baby as I do, I can't imagine at that age she hated him and still was not wanting to place the baby in a home where he would be loved.

That just says otherwise to me, but hey, maybe it's all wrong and the friends know nothing.

Either way, I am committed to seeing justice for the murder of Maria and Gabriel. I hope anyone who had a hand in this tragedy is held accountable and that the truth is revealed.

JMO tho. :seeya:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I am wondering about that too Sun. :o It seems the community is none to supportive of Christina and on face it does sound absolutely impossible IMO. But hey, that's JMO.

I will go with Sheriff Ed Brown, and say it's possible she didn't know......but add on mine....just not sold at all.

JMO. ;) [/*]
Me too, CK ~ not ready to join the crow-eating contest just yet! :D This sure will be one trial where I'll want to see every witness. I wonder if CL will get a forensic expert to go along with the suicide theory and the injuries to Maria's skull happened as a result of the fire?

[Janz]

Originally posted by sunstar

Me too, CK ~ not ready to join the crow-eating contest just yet! :D This sure will be one trial where I'll want to see every witness. I wonder if CL will get a forensic expert to go along with the suicide theory and the injuries to Maria's skull happened as a result of the fire? [/*]

Lord, I don`t know if I could take anymore of BADEN!!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

Me too, CK ~ not ready to join the crow-eating contest just yet! :D This sure will be one trial where I'll want to see every witness. I wonder if CL will get a forensic expert to go along with the suicide theory and the injuries to Maria's skull happened as a result of the fire? [/*]

Or maybe he will say when she cut her throat she fell hard against a piece of metal (tool or equipment) that was in the garage and then her head struck the concrete flooring.

imo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by strick10


I think Maria was having some difficulties adjusting to the fleet. Her tardies I bet were due to the fact that she lived out in town with Mrs. Renner for awhile. Probably late nights hanging out and no one making sure she was up or whatever. I don't know if she told her mother those things cause she needed someone she needed someone to console her or if she wanted them to have the impression everything was just fine. Maybe both. :shrug: [/*]
I've forgotten just when she was tardy and had the UAs ~ before or after she got pregnant? If afterward, it could be because of the pregnancy too. I've known people who have had morning sickness longer than just the 1st trimester.

[hinman]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Or maybe he will say when she cut her throat she fell hard against a piece of metal (tool or equipment) that was in the garage and then her head struck the concrete flooring.

imo [/*]That is when it will come a battle between the blood splatter experts.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Janz


...and I think, unless he confesses, he will be forced to use his "she committed sucide by slitting her own throat", and he just attempted to dispose of the body! [/*]that would be a disasterous defense since the FE indicates otherwise.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Janz


Lord, I don`t know if I could take anymore of BADEN!! [/*]
You read my mind! :D I remember when Maria's body was found he was on Greta's show and made those comments about the heat of the fire splitting her skull. I wondered then if he wanted to be part of the defense team on this case.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by hinman
That is when it will come a battle between the blood splatter experts. [/*]
Someone call in Dr. Lee immediately ~ CL needs him! :chicken:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Or maybe he will say when she cut her throat she fell hard against a piece of metal (tool or equipment) that was in the garage and then her head struck the concrete flooring.

imo [/*]But the cut on her throat was superficial and the wound to her head was caused by blunt force trauma, not a fall...

[hinman]

Originally posted by sunstar

Someone call in Dr. Lee immediately ~ CL needs him! :chicken: [/*]:D

[Janz]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Or maybe he will say when she cut her throat she fell hard against a piece of metal (tool or equipment) that was in the garage and then her head struck the concrete flooring.

imo [/*]

Does anyone know if Maria was right or left handed?? The knife cut was on her left side. I don`t believe for an instant this was self inflicted, just trying to see if they can/will argue this.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

You read my mind! :D I remember when Maria's body was found he was on Greta's show and made those comments about the heat of the fire splitting her skull. I wondered then if he wanted to be part of the defense team on this case. [/*]

Even though I don't care for Dr. * too much, I had heard of that before and that the skull can react this way to heat.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Janz


Does anyone know if Maria was right or left handed?? The knife cut was on her left side. I don`t believe for an instant this was self inflicted, just trying to see if they can/will argue this. [/*]

I have no clue but I am sure LE knows.

imoo

[hinman]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
quote:
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Originally posted by Janz


...and I think, unless he confesses, he will be forced to use his "she committed sucide by slitting her own throat", and he just attempted to dispose of the body! [/*]
------------------

Did they ever recover a knife, that we know of, that was the supposed 'suicide' knife? tia [/*]I have always wondered if that is what they recovered in his truck. They did that a significant piece of evidence was recovered from the truck.

[Janz]

Originally posted by sunstar

You read my mind! :D I remember when Maria's body was found he was on Greta's show and made those comments about the heat of the fire splitting her skull. I wondered then if he wanted to be part of the defense team on this case. [/*]

Yep, I saw the same show, and he was practically salivating to give this opinion! Geeesh, he really does love a camera.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Even though I don't care for Dr. * too much, I had heard of that before and that the skull can react this way to heat.

imoo [/*]
I just don't see how CL could change his defense after leaving the notes that she slit her own throat, so, imo, he's going to have to find some "experts" to back up that theory about how her head injuries occurred.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
quote:
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Originally posted by Janz


...and I think, unless he confesses, he will be forced to use his "she committed sucide by slitting her own throat", and he just attempted to dispose of the body! [/*]
------------------

Did they ever recover a knife, that we know of, that was the supposed 'suicide' knife? tia [/*]
Not that has been realeased to the Public, but then some things have come to light that they've been keeping under wraps.

At this point who knows what caused the neck laceration, may not have been a knife at all!

[sunstar]

Originally posted by hinman
I have always wondered if that is what they recovered in his truck. They did that a significant piece of evidence was recovered from the truck. [/*]
And what happened to the crowbar, or was that just a rumor?

[Janz]

Originally posted by hinman
I have always wondered if that is what they recovered in his truck. They did that a significant piece of evidence was recovered from the truck. [/*]

I don`t have a link to any statements by LE about the search of that truck but remember something about items being recovered but no comment about what that evidence might be...Just a recollection.....

[strick10]

Originally posted by sunstar

I've forgotten just when she was tardy and had the UAs ~ before or after she got pregnant? If afterward, it could be because of the pregnancy too. I've known people who have had morning sickness longer than just the 1st trimester. [/*]

I believe the UA was in April, it's in the MC's response to the Congressman. The tardies I have to think probably happened before pregnancy. Reason I think that is if she wasn't feeling well she could've just gone to sick call and gotten an excuse for her tardiness for being ill if in fact she was. Remember, it has been said that Maria started feeling ill in Jun 07 which is what led her to go to sick call and where it was determined she was pregnant. If her tardies were due to morning sickness after it was found she was pregnant, her OIC/SNCOIC would've worked w/ her and no mention of the tardies would've been stated in the MC's response.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Right we are just guessing but imo he was flatly denying this and wants to see the proof showing he did.

imoo [/*]

Oh GB, I have to disagree....we only heard that one word, "proof".....very difficult to interpret. I can't see how it is absolutely a flat denial.

[hinman]

Originally posted by sunstar

And what happened to the crowbar, or was that just a rumor? [/*]Last I heard the crowbar was sent off for forensic evidence.

It was not found in the truck though, someone turned it in when they realized the significance of it. Ohh and it has never been confirmed if it was a crowbar..

[strick10]

Originally posted by alter ego
that would be a disasterous defense since the FE indicates otherwise. [/*]

Question. The ME/FE stated that the cut to the throat may have been done after the head trauma. It was used one other time that I can't recall specifically what it was talking about. Anywho would the words "may have" have a big impact during the court proceedings?

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by alter ego
that would be a disasterous defense since the FE indicates otherwise. [/*]

I'm still betting on a confession.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by sunstar

And what happened to the crowbar, or was that just a rumor? [/*]
CSI investigators are looking over the suspect crowbar for clues and forensic testing.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/19/national/main3731447.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_3731447

Officials at the Onslow County, N.C. sheriff's office have confirmed they have the suspected weapon in their possession but not confirmed it is a crowbar.

http://198.105.192.54/Blotter/story?id=4155874&page=1

[alter ego]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I'm still betting on a confession. [/*]
I'm putting my chips down on that too.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by strick10


I believe the UA was in April, it's in the MC's response to the Congressman. The tardies I have to think probably happened before pregnancy. Reason I think that is if she wasn't feeling well she could've just gone to sick call and gotten an excuse for her tardiness for being ill if in fact she was. Remember, it has been said that Maria started feeling ill in Jun 07 which is what led her to go to sick call and where it was determined she was pregnant. If her tardies were due to morning sickness after it was found she was pregnant, her OIC/SNCOIC would've worked w/ her and no mention of the tardies would've been stated in the MC's response. [/*]
Yes, I do remember that timeline now of her being ill in June and then finding out she was pregnant. I hadn't thought of the tardies being erased, so to speak, if they were medically related.

[Devotion]

Originally posted by strick10


In previous posts I kept harping on the dining set that was in the garage and wondered why the L's hadn't brought it in the house.
I wondered if there was something significant about the set that had the L's hesitant about bringing it in. Most posters didn't find anything unique in that.

Now I see that it was probably a new set in the garage and I stand that there must be something about the dining set they previously owned.

I think the attack on Maria began in the dining area. [/*]

You may have been correct about the dining area, table and chairs....

Who knows, she could have been sitting at the dining room table talking or fell against the table or one of the chairs.
I feel the LE made a mistake not checking the table and chairs.
The timing is a big coincidence and I do not believe in coincidences.....jmo

[alter ego]

Originally posted by strick10


Question. The ME/FE stated that the cut to the throat may have been done after the head trauma. It was used one other time that I can't recall specifically what it was talking about. Anywho would the words "may have" have a big impact during the court proceedings? [/*]They could have an impact, yes, but whether it is enough to overcome the COD being the head wound is doubtful.