4/12 to 5/1

[crimeq]

Originally posted by osubbfan


The only question I would have about such a blow to the head would be the amount of blood. According to reports it was a "small amount". Head and face injuries most often bleed heavily because the face and scalp have many blood vessels close to the surface of the skin. Even a minor injury could result in a large amount of bleeding. [/*]

Yes, it could result in a large amount of bleeding. I just think he went prepared with a weapon--had thought it out, maybe wrapped something in a towel or padding of some sort--I don't know enough about making a weapon to offer many scenarios here. However, I do think he was 100% prepared to go in there, strike her to subdue her and be quiet about it, and get her out of there fast. He had planned how to do it, even taking into account that other people and a dog were in the house, and what a shame it went according to his plan.

[Toad]

Interesting post seen on Websleuths today...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63843&page=4
"possible suspect

Work's been slow today, so I've been reading through some of UNR's student newspaper archives from last fall, to see if there was anything going on at the campus that may have attracted the perp there. I find this story about a construction project that apparently ended two days after the Nov. 13 attack. There is a picture on the article, make with it what you will. What was even more interesting to me was that this company's office is located at 5434 Longley Lane,1.6 miles from where Bri's body was found....

http://nevadasagebrush.com/blog/2007...on-completion/

http://www.pentabldggroup.com/penta_contact/
"

The picture of the project manager kinda creeps me out... meaty fingers, long square chin, strange eye (http://www.briansdreams.com/MISSING/publicr/603.htm) (not really sure what to make of briansdreams.com though), looks like he could possibly have a gut. I don't know, I guess I just thought it was worth looking at, especially after mapping out Penta in Reno: MAP (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=115239261415344605969.00044bf859*14096f6061&t=h&z=12) (hope the link works)

Some other things I found googling...
http://www.acppubs.com/article/CA6450766.html
http://www.unr.edu/nevadasilverandblue/archive/2008/winter/W08PackTracks.pdf (PDF file, picture of him bottom left of 2nd page, you can zoom in. Note slight change of facial hair...)
http://www.reunion.com/jcitzy0001

:shrug:

ETA - found a facebook.com profile for the guy, signed up almost a couple weeks ago. No info on it though. :mad:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by gestalt
Since it was speculated that the suspect could have left the area after the murder of Brianna:

is there a comparison of the DNA her to the Madison, Wisc. murders cases, i.e. Brittany Zimmerman and others.

I have not read a rule-out report in the news.

What do you think? [/*]
I haven't heard anything, but I was thinking of the same things and hoping LE is doing nationwide comparisons ~ especially for any crimes related to college-age women.

[Toad]

ok hope this one will work

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=h&msa=0&msid=115239261415344605969.00044bf859*14096f6061&z=12

eta - ok figured out the problem. in the link above you need to replace the * (asterisk) with the second letter of the alphabet. why the heck won't it let me type that letter unless its in a sentence??
*
*

* :confused: lol

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by osubbfan
Maelstrom5, that fact has made what actually happened inside the MacKay house such a mystery to me. Bri's mother has stated on numerous occasions that she was told Bri was killed "within a matter of minutes." Another report stated that there was actually no "abduction" since she was murdered before taken from the house. If true, then how did the blood on the pillow get there? Did he cover her face with it as he strangled her? Was it still under her head and the blood flowed onto the pillow? Did he only mean to render her unconscious but went too far? If not, why would he take her dead body? It would seem he would want her alive for the sexual assault considering his past known attack.

Covering her face while he attempted to render her unconscious would make some sense if he did not plan on killing her. He did not allow any of his previous victims to see his face.

If he didn't intend to murder her then how has this affected him? Did it only serve to expedite his becoming a killer? Did it "freak him out" to the point that he will not attack again any time soon? The brutality the Dec. victim endured leads me to think it was inevitable that he would become a killer. He is certainly an extremely selfish, violent person who does not experience empathy. Also, his return to the home of the Dec. victim speaks volumes about the path he was going down. He was not just trying to scare her IMO, he was trying to get to her. The description of his attempted break in (by Lt. McDonald) makes it sound like he was in a rage. [/*]

Hi OBU - I wondered why it was so quiet here, I didn't get any email notifications of new post - strange! It is very, very confusing - on Dateline, her mother did say LE told her they believe she was killed right there. Was he not out to rape her, just so enraged he had a mind to kill a woman for *revenge* that the Dec victim wasn't home? But as you say, if so, why take her body with him and take that extra risk? Or, also he could have accidentally killed her trying to subdue her or render her unconscious. Whatever he did, it had to have been extremely swift and quiet without much fight from her, I would think.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


Hi Osubbfan,

Yes it not unheard of for men who are serial rapist or killers to rape there victims while living then rape them again after death.

They are not a necrophiliac in the true sense of the word in that they only take pleasure from having sex with a corpus but their acts certainly are necrophiactic in nature.

Bundy did, and I know of a case in my home town, that of 13 year old Maryann Measles. She was first beaten and tortured, then gang raped.. After that she was murdered by drowning. One of the men (there were 8 people involved; 5 male, 3 female) raped Maryann again after she was dead.

BTW here is a profile from Wikipedia;

“Rosman and Resnick[7] (1989) theorized that either of the following situations could be antecedents to necrophilia (pp. 161)
:
The necrophile develops poor self-esteem, perhaps due in part to a significant loss;

(1) He (usually male) is very fearful of rejection by women and he desires a sexual partner who is incapable of rejecting him; and/or
(2) He is fearful of the dead, and transforms his fear — by means of reaction formation — into a desire.

He develops an exciting fantasy of sex with a corpse, sometimes after exposure to a corpse.

The authors also reported that, of their sample of 'necrophiliacs,' 68 percent were motivated by a desire for an unresisting and un-rejecting partner; 21 percent by a want for reunion with a lost partner; 15 percent by sexual attraction to dead people; 15 percent by a desire for comfort or to overcome feelings of isolation; and 12 percent by a desire to remedy low self-esteem by expressing power over a corpse (pp. 159)


I don’t think our perp fits most of that profile but he does fit part. He has low self-esteem, probably is unable to maintain a normal romantic/sexual relationship, and he derives pleasure from the fact that he is forcing his victims to do what he wants. [/*]

Oh, just sick - I'm with OBU - I don't know much about the subject because it makes me barf to think about it, but how sick is it that to make sure you're not subjected to rejection you have to rape a corpse. Blech! Could it be that he wasn't a necrophiliac when he raped his other victims, but somehow decided that was something new he wanted to try? Maybe the thrill wore off for him raping live women?

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by osubbfan


Thanks??? barf

J/K Maelstrom5. But really, how pathetic is your life if you get your self-esteem from having power over a corpse? How could that possibly make you feel better about yourself? Sick. [/*]

GMTA, I just said the same thing :beer: If you're so insecure that you have to rape a corpse to make sure she can't/won't reject you, wow - just wow - when you think about it, it would sort of fit - when he found the Dec victim gone, in his sick mind, she rejected him...I'll bet he didn't see it as her moving out of fear - I'll bet he took it as a personal rejection -

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Toad
Interesting post seen on Websleuths today...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63843&page=4
"possible suspect

Work's been slow today, so I've been reading through some of UNR's student newspaper archives from last fall, to see if there was anything going on at the campus that may have attracted the perp there. I find this story about a construction project that apparently ended two days after the Nov. 13 attack. There is a picture on the article, make with it what you will. What was even more interesting to me was that this company's office is located at 5434 Longley Lane,1.6 miles from where Bri's body was found....

http://nevadasagebrush.com/blog/2007...on-completion/

http://www.pentabldggroup.com/penta_contact/
"

The picture of the project manager kinda creeps me out... meaty fingers, long square chin, strange eye (http://www.briansdreams.com/MISSING/publicr/603.htm) (not really sure what to make of briansdreams.com though), looks like he could possibly have a gut. I don't know, I guess I just thought it was worth looking at, especially after mapping out Penta in Reno: MAP (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=115239261415344605969.00044bf859*14096f6061&t=h&z=12) (hope the link works)

Some other things I found googling...
http://www.acppubs.com/article/CA6450766.html
http://www.unr.edu/nevadasilverandblue/archive/2008/winter/W08PackTracks.pdf (PDF file, picture of him bottom left of 2nd page, you can zoom in. Note slight change of facial hair...)
http://www.reunion.com/jcitzy0001

:shrug:

ETA - found a facebook.com profile for the guy, signed up almost a couple weeks ago. No info on it though. :mad: [/*]

Toad, you are good!! That first link, the Nevada Sagebrush link, said the page was no longer valid - on the PDF file, I blew it up and he does have short chin hair and as well as I could tell it looked like a mustache with a space between it and the chin hair....odd that he just signed up for facebook a couple of weeks ago - interesting! Also in the PDF file on the white shirt he's wearing, there appears to be some small writing or a small logo on the left chest -

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by crimeq


Yes, it could result in a large amount of bleeding. I just think he went prepared with a weapon--had thought it out, maybe wrapped something in a towel or padding of some sort--I don't know enough about making a weapon to offer many scenarios here. However, I do think he was 100% prepared to go in there, strike her to subdue her and be quiet about it, and get her out of there fast. He had planned how to do it, even taking into account that other people and a dog were in the house, and what a shame it went according to his plan. [/*]

Totally with you on this - for some reason, I've always had a feeling he hit her in the head with something and as you suggested, it didn't have to be a blunt hit, it could have been something wrapped in a towel or padding - he could have even wrapped the pillow around whatever he hit her with - no-one ever said the pillow was underneath her head.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


Hi,

Yes; I think he dumped Bri's body that morning before the sun came up, if not, then as soon as it was dark and no one was around sunday night.

No; I think the underwear were to flimsy and to.. well, elastic.. to be used for ligature strangulation. Bra’s and pantyhose are sometimes used for ligatures but I can't see the PP thong being used in that fashion.

Hi Rosieo,

Your question;

"but if a second attack occurred in the kitchen, wouldn't the dog have barked or Bri made some noise?"

Both would have happened.

I think that Bri made noise and that the dog reacted by barking. But no one heard them.

I don't want to reintroduce the touchy subject of how much alcohol was consumed that evening but early on I said we should take the report of how much partying went on with a grain of salt, I still feel that’s true. ( The police now have Brianna’s toxic report, so I am sure they know how much Bri may have consumed that night, but they have not made any public comments about it as far as I can tell)

Suffice to say they left the house with two cars, but all three women chose to get a ride home with someone else.

I want to reemphasize I am not blaming Bri, KT or Jessica for what happened, just pointing out why it may have. [/*]

Totally understand what you're saying and agree - the *other* person just made it sound like it was her fault, like she made herself an easy target, KWIM? I'm confused and just realized I missed something though - I know Jessica got a ride home with the guy in the SUV that was questioned - who did Bri and KT get a ride home with? I also want to emphasize I'm not and would NEVER place blame - there's only one to blame here and it's certainly not any of the girls - but they do look like they like to party - and nothing wrong with that - they're young and having fun - but it is possible that they didn't hear or pay attention to the dog barking. Lord knows, I had many nights out like that when I was younger. But also, my dog is a barker, and if I went to bed at 4 a.m. and then the dog started barking, I think I'd half wake up, hear her barking and too tired to get up or care just figure she was barking at whatever, since she barks a lot. They may have heard the dog, not paid attention, went right back to sleep and don't even remember.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Rosieo


Toad, you are good!! That first link, the Nevada Sagebrush link, said the page was no longer valid - on the PDF file, I blew it up and he does have short chin hair and as well as I could tell it looked like a mustache with a space between it and the chin hair....odd that he just signed up for facebook a couple of weeks ago - interesting! Also in the PDF file on the white shirt he's wearing, there appears to be some small writing or a small logo on the left chest - [/*]

Ok, try this. The picture on the sagebrush website is way bigger than the other.

http://nevadasagebrush.com/blog/2007/10/30/project-manager-looks-forward-to-union-completion/

aaannd here's a link to the picture *just in case* the article for some reason isn't working!

photo (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v492/ericayoes/?action=view&current=hmm.jpg)

The facebook thing is weirding me out too! No profile info, no picture, no friends. Why else would you want one unless to look at other people profiles??

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Toad


Ok, try this. The picture on the sagebrush website is way bigger than the other.

http://nevadasagebrush.com/blog/2007/10/30/project-manager-looks-forward-to-union-completion/

aaannd here's a link to the picture *just in case* the article for some reason isn't working!

photo (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v492/ericayoes/?action=view&current=hmm.jpg)

The facebook thing is weirding me out too! No profile info, no picture, no friends. Why else would you want one unless to look at other people profiles?? [/*]

Thanks, Toad! This is weirding me out now too - he DOES have meaty fingers, the short chin hair and a wonky eye - his eyes are asymmetrical -I read brian's dreams way at the beginning when Bri went missing, haven't read it since, but I did remember the part about the wonky eye. The construction of course would fit with the tanned forearms, etc - and the truck. The strangest thing is his facebook - that is VERY odd - I don't know much about facebook, but I have the impression it's mostly younger people, college aged, etc., no? You would certainly have people on your friends list -that's why you join - and you'd notify your friends. Just looking at people that are possibilities, he sure would fit as a possibility!

[Politigal]

Originally posted by Toad
Interesting post seen on Websleuths today...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63843&page=4
"possible suspect

Work's been slow today, so I've been reading through some of UNR's student newspaper archives from last fall, to see if there was anything going on at the campus that may have attracted the perp there. I find this story about a construction project that apparently ended two days after the Nov. 13 attack. There is a picture on the article, make with it what you will. What was even more interesting to me was that this company's office is located at 5434 Longley Lane,1.6 miles from where Bri's body was found....

http://nevadasagebrush.com/blog/2007...on-completion/

http://www.pentabldggroup.com/penta_contact/
"

The picture of the project manager kinda creeps me out... meaty fingers, long square chin, strange eye (http://www.briansdreams.com/MISSING/publicr/603.htm) (not really sure what to make of briansdreams.com though), looks like he could possibly have a gut. I don't know, I guess I just thought it was worth looking at, especially after mapping out Penta in Reno: MAP (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=115239261415344605969.00044bf859*14096f6061&t=h&z=12) (hope the link works)

Some other things I found googling...
http://www.acppubs.com/article/CA6450766.html
http://www.unr.edu/nevadasilverandblue/archive/2008/winter/W08PackTracks.pdf (PDF file, picture of him bottom left of 2nd page, you can zoom in. Note slight change of facial hair...)
http://www.reunion.com/jcitzy0001

:shrug:

ETA - found a facebook.com profile for the guy, signed up almost a couple weeks ago. No info on it though. :mad: [/*]

Yahoo also shows him working for Shaw Construction - only a hop/skip/jump from where Brianna was found.

On Facebook - lots of people have signed up and just not added a photo yet...

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Politigal


Yahoo also shows him working for Shaw Construction - only a hop/skip/jump from where Brianna was found.

Very interesting.

On Facebook - lots of people have signed up and just not added a photo yet... [/*]

But no friends yet, either? Isn't that kind of odd?

[Politigal]

Originally posted by Rosieo


But no friends yet, either? Isn't that kind of odd? [/*]

I've done the same thing - signed up - just so I could look at KT Hunter and Jessica Deal's friends........

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Politigal


I've done the same thing - signed up - just so I could look at KT Hunter and Jessica Deal's friends........ [/*]

That's what I'm wondering if he was doing, though - wanting to look at theirs, and Bri's. Paranoid I know but I wonder if LE has taken a look at this guy? Again, probably paranoid, but he sure does seem to be worth a look - he "fits" - along with hundreds of people I'm sure - but he is someone no-one would ever suspect. Maybe I'm just overreacting because I want to much for them to catch the POS, but I would sure hope they've at least taken a look at him.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Politigal


Yahoo also shows him working for Shaw Construction - only a hop/skip/jump from where Brianna was found.

On Facebook - lots of people have signed up and just not added a photo yet... [/*]

Google his home address and then look at the directions from that address to mackay court-down College Dr., then Virginia Dr., now I'm really being paranoid and creeping myself out - 4.41 miles from his home to MacKay court.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Politigal


I've done the same thing - signed up - just so I could look at KT Hunter and Jessica Deal's friends........ [/*]

Me to... a few hours ago - to look at this guy! lol. I'm know there are tons of profiles like this too, but I guess this just added to the strangeness for me... lots of coincidences.

Rosieo, i feel ya. I'm hesitant to post things sometimes because I'm afraid the case is getting to me, sometimes making me see things fit just because I want them to! I'm lagging now though, did you find his address with google? I may have to ask for a PM... I'll look again first!

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Rosieo


Thanks, Toad! This is weirding me out now too - he DOES have meaty fingers, the short chin hair and a wonky eye - his eyes are asymmetrical -I read brian's dreams way at the beginning when Bri went missing, haven't read it since, but I did remember the part about the wonky eye. The construction of course would fit with the tanned forearms, etc - and the truck. The strangest thing is his facebook - that is VERY odd - I don't know much about facebook, but I have the impression it's mostly younger people, college aged, etc., no? You would certainly have people on your friends list -that's why you join - and you'd notify your friends. Just looking at people that are possibilities, he sure would fit as a possibility! [/*]
Hi Rosieo :seeya: This new information is really interesting, but he seems older than I'd imagined. I do agree about the construction work and location of his job compared with where Brianna was found. I wonder if LE has looked into this guy?

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by sunstar

Hi Rosieo :seeya: This new information is really interesting, but he seems older than I'd imagined. I do agree about the construction work and location of his job compared with where Brianna was found. I wonder if LE has looked into this guy? [/*]

Hi Sunstar, young looking for his age, though, IMO. Also, born in CA, wife born in CA, married in CA - lots of family and ties there - 4 kids, divorced, fighting over child support.

[Toad]

Why isn't newshound getting any love over at WS??? I think he's onto something. :)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63843&page=4

JMO.

[crimeq]

Originally posted by Politigal


I've done the same thing - signed up - just so I could look at KT Hunter and Jessica Deal's friends........ [/*]

Same here -- I signed up just so I could look at sites for people mentioned here. I didn't add any info about myself.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Rosieo


Hi Sunstar, young looking for his age, though, IMO. Also, born in CA, wife born in CA, married in CA - lots of family and ties there - 4 kids, divorced, fighting over child support. [/*]
I wonder how old the kids are? Would one of them fit the baby shoe?

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Toad
Why isn't newshound getting any love over at WS??? I think he's onto something. :)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63843&page=4

JMO. [/*]

ITA, Toad! In reading over there, I caught something I didn't know before too - the Dec. victim had actually come home and been in her apartment, then went back out to her car to get something she'd forgotten, and that's when she was abducted.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by sunstar

I wonder how old the kids are? Would one of them fit the baby shoe? [/*]

No, but the oldest is 21, could have a baby -they range in age from 15 to 21...he's 44. So the oldest or the 17 year old could have a baby.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Rosieo


No, but the oldest is 21, could have a baby -they range in age from 15 to 21...he's 44. So the oldest or the 17 year old could have a baby. [/*]

It is possible for his son or daughter to have a child. His son could possibly live with him. He could have borrowed his son's truck late at night on the weekends when he knew he was sleeping or out partying all night. Just possibilities...

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Toad


It is possible for his son or daughter to have a child. His son could possibly live with him. He could have borrowed his son's truck late at night on the weekends when he knew he was sleeping or out partying all night. Just possibilities... [/*]

Yep :) What HS did Brianna attend? Anyone know? McQueen, possibly?

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Rosieo


No, but the oldest is 21, could have a baby -they range in age from 15 to 21...he's 44. So the oldest or the 17 year old could have a baby. [/*]
Could very well be, or maybe he isn't the perp. :shrug:

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by sunstar

Could very well be, or maybe he isn't the perp. :shrug: [/*]

Likely not, but you never know.......

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Rosieo


Likely not, but you never know....... [/*]
It's good to check out everyone. The facebook thing is odd, imo.

[concerned]

Forgive me if this has been answered before.....how do we know his age and the age of his children?

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by concerned
Forgive me if this has been answered before.....how do we know his age and the age of his children? [/*]

I googled :)

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by sunstar

It's good to check out everyone. The facebook thing is odd, imo. [/*]

That does seem odd to me...and a lot of the pics on the RGJ site say they came from facebook, Bri and her friends.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Rosieo


Yep :) What HS did Brianna attend? Anyone know? McQueen, possibly? [/*]

Reno High

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by butterfly28


Reno High [/*]

Thanks!

[crimeq]

Originally posted by Rosieo


I googled :) [/*]

Cannot live without my Google. ;) Whatever did we do before?

[crimeq]

Originally posted by Rosieo


ITA, Toad! In reading over there, I caught something I didn't know before too - the Dec. victim had actually come home and been in her apartment, then went back out to her car to get something she'd forgotten, and that's when she was abducted. [/*]

This is interesting. I wonder if he was intending to go into her home to attack her, and then he got lucky because she came outside. Maybe his MO of entering the residence isn't unusual w/Bri; I was thinking it was, that he tended to attack outside and changed his MO w/Bri.

Maybe that's not the case at all.

[crimeq]

Originally posted by sunstar

It's good to check out everyone. The facebook thing is odd, imo. [/*]

I agree--the timing is very odd, for starters. Maybe he's checking to see what may be said about "him" in relation to the cases.

[crimeq]

Originally posted by Rosieo


That does seem odd to me...and a lot of the pics on the RGJ site say they came from facebook, Bri and her friends. [/*]

What's the RGJ site? Am I missing one???

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by crimeq


This is interesting. I wonder if he was intending to go into her home to attack her, and then he got lucky because she came outside. Maybe his MO of entering the residence isn't unusual w/Bri; I was thinking it was, that he tended to attack outside and changed his MO w/Bri.

Maybe that's not the case at all. [/*]

That could very well be - I hadn't heard that before, but there was a link provided, so it is valid - she came back outside to get something out of her car.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by crimeq


What's the RGJ site? Am I missing one??? [/*]

www.rgj.com - the Reno Gazette-Journal - they provide all the latest news, updates, photos, suspect description etc. If you scroll all the way down when you get to the site, you'll see the link for Bri's info.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by crimeq


I agree--the timing is very odd, for starters. Maybe he's checking to see what may be said about "him" in relation to the cases. [/*]

Yep - or looking at Bri's pics ::shudder::

[crimeq]

Originally posted by Rosieo


www.rgj.com - the Reno Gazette-Journal - they provide all the latest news, updates, photos, suspect description etc. If you scroll all the way down when you get to the site, you'll see the link for Bri's info. [/*]

Thank you! :seeya:

[Knick]

I think his motive wasn't to kill her right off. He wanted to subdue her and carry her off until she awoke. Maybe she never woke up. If someone is hit on the head in the right spot it can kill them with little or no blood (on the temple for example) perhaps she was asleep on her side and he hit her with something thinking she was knocked out (she being on her side exposing her one of her temples), but she died so he assaulted her anyway. However, I DO think he was outraged at his prior victim and took it out on Brianna. I wonder if he knew she went to police after the assault? Perhaps we are looking at someone who has some type of link to law enforcement. What do you guys think?

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Knick
I think his motive wasn't to kill her right off. He wanted to subdue her and carry her off until she awoke. Maybe she never woke up. If someone is hit on the head in the right spot it can kill them with little or no blood (on the temple for example) perhaps she was asleep on her side and he hit her with something thinking she was knocked out (she being on her side exposing her one of her temples), but she died so he assaulted her anyway. However, I DO think he was outraged at his prior victim and took it out on Brianna. I wonder if he knew she went to police after the assault? Perhaps we are looking at someone who has some type of link to law enforcement. What do you guys think? [/*]

Hi Knick, totally agree, I really don't think he set out to murder anyone. I think something went very wrong for him, either there at the house or after he took her from the house and he killed her. Maybe she looked at him, fought him too much, something that made him think he had no choice. The COD was strangulation, not a head trauma, but it could be that she wouldn't regain consciousness and he strangled her- in any case, I'm with you - I don't think his original intent was to murder her, but I definitely think he was outraged at finding the prior victim gone...she "thwarted" him, rejected him. If I'm not mistaken, the rape was reported in the paper? I think, IIRC, so he would have known she went to the police. I think that's why he went back to get her.

[gestalt]

When did LE know that the suspect had gone to the rape victim's residence and was trying to break in? If they knew that, why weren't there police trying to stake out that area before Brianna disappeared???

[crimeq]

Originally posted by gestalt
When did LE know that the suspect had gone to the rape victim's residence and was trying to break in? If they knew that, why weren't there police trying to stake out that area before Brianna disappeared??? [/*]

Great question. I'd still like to know how much information was made available to the immediate community, since all these attacks took place SO CLOSE to each other. I'd like to know if the student community was warned--if the young women had any idea exactly WHERE these attacks occurred, so they could beef up their own security and stay alert.

[gestalt]

IMO, I think it just goes to show that rapes of women have become so routine for LE that nothing much is done about it.

[osubbfan]

IIRC, in the Dateline interview KT said they had heard about the rapes prior to Bri being abducted.

[crimeq]

Originally posted by osubbfan
IIRC, in the Dateline interview KT said they had heard about the rapes prior to Bri being abducted. [/*]

I wonder if that information included address / location -- if they knew it was right across the street. I don't know how much information gets buried along with protecting the victim's name from the media. :shrug:

[gestalt]

2 suspects ruled out?

http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/TD/20080501/NEWS/261222368/-1/REGION

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by gestalt
2 suspects ruled out?

http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/TD/20080501/NEWS/261222368/-1/REGION [/*]

Interesting - what is the South Shore? An area of Reno?

[gestalt]

So. Shore of Lake Tahoe?

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by gestalt
So. Shore of Lake Tahoe? [/*]

Thanks - I had no idea what that was. How stupid (and sick) for that guy to say he's Brianna's killer. And the one that said penetration with a foreign object - eeek -

[gestalt]

the leads don't tie up? hmmm... How many times have we seen murderers hiding out by camping?

[Zaun]

Originally posted by gestalt
IMO, I think it just goes to show that rapes of women have become so routine for LE that nothing much is done about it. [/*]

Well , I think that alot of these women lie too .....such as in the Duke case. What needs to start happening is that these women start doing serious time for false accusations but they just get off or aren't charged. imobarf

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Zaun


Well , I think that alot of these women lie too .....such as in the Duke case. What needs to start happening is that these women start doing serious time for false accusations but they just get off or aren't charged. imobarf [/*]

There are women who lie and pull the rape card and it's disgusting, because it makes it harder for other rape victims and makes them afraid to come forward :(

[Zaun]

Originally posted by Rosieo


There are women who lie and pull the rape card and it's disgusting, because it makes it harder for other rape victims and makes them afraid to come forward :( [/*]

I'm more worried for the guy who gets falsley convicted because these women get away with no consequences, that's really disgusting. imo

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Zaun


I'm more worried for the guy who gets falsley convicted because these women get away with no consequences, that's really disgusting. imo [/*]

I do have to agree with that....they should be charged with something, even if it's just filing a false report. To do that is just wrong.

[osubbfan]

Originally posted by Zaun


I'm more worried for the guy who gets falsley convicted because these women get away with no consequences, that's really disgusting. imo [/*]

Well, that may be. Men have to be more careful about who they choose to spend their time with. The Duke guys had a party and invited a exotic dancer, they made themselves easy targets for those accusations.

[crimeq]

Originally posted by Zaun


I'm more worried for the guy who gets falsley convicted because these women get away with no consequences, that's really disgusting. imo [/*]

IGNORE THE TROLL

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by crimeq


IGNORE THE TROLL [/*]

ahhhhhh.here we go again LOL engaging ignore :beer:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by osubbfan
IIRC, in the Dateline interview KT said they had heard about the rapes prior to Bri being abducted. [/*]
I hadn't heard that before and now it makes even less sense why they'd leave the door unlocked and windows with no blinds. :eek:

[osubbfan]

Originally posted by sunstar

I hadn't heard that before and now it makes even less sense why they'd leave the door unlocked and windows with no blinds. :eek: [/*]

I just read the transcript for the Dateline episode and didn't find it. I'm pretty sure I heard that somewhere but it must have been in another interview. I'll try and find it because I don't remember her response.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by osubbfan


I just read the transcript for the Dateline episode and didn't find it. I'm pretty sure I heard that somewhere but it must have been in another interview. I'll try and find it because I don't remember her response. [/*]
I'm not doubting you, I just hadn't heard it before. :) I can't imagine knowing there was a rapist of young women in the area and not taking any precautions!

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by sunstar

I'm not doubting you, I just hadn't heard it before. :) I can't imagine knowing there was a rapist of young women in the area and not taking any precautions! [/*]

I watched that Dateline episode and I vaguely remember her saying they did know about the rapes, not sure if she said they knew how close they were or where they occurred but ITA, that's just amazing that anyone would do that. It's amazing enough to me that anyone would go to sleep with doors unlocked, but even more so knowing about the rapes. Again, NOT placing blame - everyone should and had a right to be safe in their homes and just because you leave the door unlocked doesn't make it your fault if something happens, of course....I was just surprised when I first heard that and still am. I'm way too :chicken: to ever go to bed without checking my doors and windows.

[Politigal]

Butterfly posted this a while back where it was published 12/17 in the paper about the December victim

butterfly28
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I was reading the articles in the rgj.com about the assaults that took place prior to Bri being taken. The articles were written before LE knew there was a serial rapist and I was curious to see if the public was made aware of assaults. Articles were written before Bri was taken and the day after the first attack, campus police were warning students but it's hard to say to what lengths they went to do do this.
Regardless a few things caught my eye and I have a couple of questions, mostly about the suspect description in the last article.


Posted: 12/17/2007
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...8&theme=DENISON

"Police are looking for a heavyset white man who sexually assaulted a female University of Nevada, Reno student early Saturday morning on Virginia Street.

The woman told police she was walking in the 1400 block of North Virginia Street about

3 a.m. when she was attacked from behind, choked unconscious, taken to an unknown location and was sexually assaulted.

The man was described as 30-40 years old with facial hair and wore an Oakland Raiders T-shirt. His vehicle was described as an old, dark single-cab truck with cloth seats and a CD deck.

The man took the keys to her vehicle and residence."

I thought it was strange that he was described as heavy-set. I did not get that from the description of the person who took Bri. For some reason I was picturing him to be more in shape. The age of 30-40 also makes him older than I had pictured. Also I thought the truck was light not dark?

How horrible it is that he took her keys to her vehicle and residence. Is this the one he later came back to and tried to break-in? Hopefully her locks were changed. Did she really tell him where she lived? I read in an article he dropped her off at home. Does anyone know?


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[Rosieo]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Politigal
Butterfly posted this a while back where it was published 12/17 in the paper about the December victim

butterfly28
Member

Registered: Dec 2007
Location: Reno, NV
Posts: 332
I was reading the articles in the rgj.com about the assaults that took place prior to Bri being taken. The articles were written before LE knew there was a serial rapist and I was curious to see if the public was made aware of assaults. Articles were written before Bri was taken and the day after the first attack, campus police were warning students but it's hard to say to what lengths they went to do do this.
Regardless a few things caught my eye and I have a couple of questions, mostly about the suspect description in the last article.


Posted: 12/17/2007
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...8&theme=DENISON

"Police are looking for a heavyset white man who sexually assaulted a female University of Nevada, Reno student early Saturday morning on Virginia Street.

The woman told police she was walking in the 1400 block of North Virginia Street about

3 a.m. when she was attacked from behind, choked unconscious, taken to an unknown location and was sexually assaulted.

The man was described as 30-40 years old with facial hair and wore an Oakland Raiders T-shirt. His vehicle was described as an old, dark single-cab truck with cloth seats and a CD deck.

The man took the keys to her vehicle and residence."

I thought it was strange that he was described as heavy-set. I did not get that from the description of the person who took Bri. For some reason I was picturing him to be more in shape. The age of 30-40 also makes him older than I had pictured. Also I thought the truck was light not dark?

How horrible it is that he took her keys to her vehicle and residence. Is this the one he later came back to and tried to break-in? Hopefully her locks were changed. Did she really tell him where she lived? I read in an article he dropped her off at home. Does anyone know?

There have been differing descriptions, exactly why I'm not too focused or locked in on any one description they've given. IIRC, it is the same victim whose apartment he went back to - she'd left the country and the locks had been changed. He did drop her off at home after he raped her. How chilvalrous, huh?
:rolleyes:

[crimeq]

Originally posted by Rosieo


ahhhhhh.here we go again LOL engaging ignore :beer: [/*];)

[crimeq]

Originally posted by Rosieo
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Politigal


--snip--
He did drop her off at home after he raped her. How chilvalrous, huh?
:rolleyes: [/*]

This is, well, I just don't know what. Sick? Presumptive? It sounds to me like he didn't think he did anything wrong, just had his way and then took her home.

Way, way over the top.

(And I agree with others that the physical description of this guy is different than I was picturing Bri's killer, from police/media reports.)

Sheesh. Took her home? Wow.

Maybe that's why he got so mad when she went to the police, and then he went back in a rage. He really didn't think he did anything wrong--AND he took her home, nice guy--why would she go to the police?

This guy has a real messed up head, IMO.

[crimeq]

Originally posted by crimeq


This is, well, I just don't know what. Sick? Presumptive? It sounds to me like he didn't think he did anything wrong, just had his way and then took her home.

Way, way over the top.

(And I agree with others that the physical description of this guy is different than I was picturing Bri's killer, from police/media reports.)

Sheesh. Took her home? Wow.

Maybe that's why he got so mad when she went to the police, and then he went back in a rage. He really didn't think he did anything wrong--AND he took her home, nice guy--why would she go to the police?

This guy has a real messed up head, IMO. [/*]

ETA I can't imagine the young woman staying in the vehicle with him. I would have wanted OUT. But maybe she was being controlled by fear, didn't know what he'd do if she begged to be let out of the vehicle. What a horrible situation to be in.

I think I would rather have been left in the parking lot or bushes to scream at the top of my lungs when the perp left, rather than be in the vehicle with him. I wonder if she thought he was taking her--away--and not home. What horrible thoughts must have been going through her mind.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by crimeq


This is, well, I just don't know what. Sick? Presumptive? It sounds to me like he didn't think he did anything wrong, just had his way and then took her home.

Way, way over the top.

(And I agree with others that the physical description of this guy is different than I was picturing Bri's killer, from police/media reports.)

Sheesh. Took her home? Wow.

Maybe that's why he got so mad when she went to the police, and then he went back in a rage. He really didn't think he did anything wrong--AND he took her home, nice guy--why would she go to the police?

This guy has a real messed up head, IMO. [/*]

Isn't it strange? I can't decide if he's extremely egotistical, extremely smart, extremely stupid or just plain old crazy. I never thought of it that way until I read your post but maybe, in his twisted head, he thought he "bonded" with her. I have never, ever heard of a rapist dropping his victim off at home. I would think maybe he dropped her off at home because he was making her show him where she lived - but he abducted her at home, in the parking lot, right? Very strange.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by crimeq


ETA I can't imagine the young woman staying in the vehicle with him. I would have wanted OUT. But maybe she was being controlled by fear, didn't know what he'd do if she begged to be let out of the vehicle. What a horrible situation to be in.

I think I would rather have been left in the parking lot or bushes to scream at the top of my lungs when the perp left, rather than be in the vehicle with him. I wonder if she thought he was taking her--away--and not home. What horrible thoughts must have been going through her mind. [/*]

IIRC, he abducted her, drove her about 5 minutes away and raped her in his truck, no way out for her :( I can't imagine, either, how horrifying. It reminds me of the Kelsey Smith case, what must have been going through that poor girl's mind and how frightened she must have been before he killed her - and of course, Bri, we don't know where he took her or what he did with her. I just keep the hope that whatever it was, it was swift.

[Politigal]

I'm so torn in this case...wondering if he was familiar with Bri's friends or if he really was a stranger....

I've been researching residents near each of the crime scenes...over & over again.

One interesting guy I found who resided at 1425 N Virginia and who has since moved to another rental property - works for UPS.

I recall one news report in Bri's case - where the guy in the apartment complex of the December case was griping about police questioning him. I wonder if he's one who has refused to submit his DNA?

Anyway, the UPS occupation would certainly jibe with the tan arms/hands/lower legs.....And it might explain a familiarity with the Mackay address or block too. I could just picture this guy delivering a package to the address, ringing the doorbell, (no one answering) and then him trying the door just to see if it was unlocked. He would then know it was a potential place to go at night time.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by logicworks


If he broke her ankles, he knew she couldn't walk, so just tossing her out somewhere would likely cause him to think she definitely would go to the police or whoever came to her rescue would call LE. He may have told her he would take her home if she didn't talk.

Ahhhh, good point.

I think he somehow knew she had talked and went back after her. Question is.......how did he know?
Did LE get somewhere close with questioning or did something come out in the news at that time that would have somehow tipped him off that she had gone to LE? Or was he was watching her place and saw LE there? There had to be something that angered him to send him back there, I think.

I think it was reported in the paper, wasn't it? IIRC - I believe it was and campus alerted, but I'm not sure on that.

The entire scenario is nothing I have ever heard of before, with a rapist returning a second time, or a rapist breaking the victim's ankles, or the rapist taking the victim home.....stranger than strange.
JMO [/*]

Very!

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Politigal
I'm so torn in this case...wondering if he was familiar with Bri's friends or if he really was a stranger....

I've been researching residents near each of the crime scenes...over & over again.

One interesting guy I found who resided at 1425 N Virginia and who has since moved to another rental property - works for UPS.

I recall one news report in Bri's case - where the guy in the apartment complex of the December case was griping about police questioning him. I wonder if he's one who has refused to submit his DNA?

Anyway, the UPS occupation would certainly jibe with the tan arms/hands/lower legs.....And it might explain a familiarity with the Mackay address or block too. I could just picture this guy delivering a package to the address, ringing the doorbell, (no one answering) and then him trying the door just to see if it was unlocked. He would then know it was a potential place to go at night time. [/*]

Very possible - that would explain the tan pattern and being familiar with the neighborhood..

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by herlock h.
I don't want to seem weird but --- shouldn't we start a new thread for May? I'm afraid we may get "closed"
:shrug:

Herlock [/*]

That's not weird, it's a good idea :) Anyone want to do it? I'm fairly new posting on these boards and I'm not sure how you do that.

[crimeq]

Originally posted by Rosieo


That's not weird, it's a good idea :) Anyone want to do it? I'm fairly new posting on these boards and I'm not sure how you do that. [/*]

Done.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by crimeq


Done. [/*]

Thanks, you're quick! I'll look for it!