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henry

04-12-2008, 07:05 AM

good morning . . . counting's not over yet :D can we agree that today is cesar's 2nd (full) day in custody?

according to this article, it may take 60 days for him to return to NC . . .

Hudson, the district attorney, agreed not to seek the death penalty against Laurean in order to win the cooperation of Mexico authorities, who refuse to send anyone back to the U.S. unless assured they will not face execution. Hudson said Friday that Mexican law requires an extradition process that will take at least 60 days to complete.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,350834,00.html

also in this article, again, it states that cesar forced maria to take the $ out on 12/14 and then killed her . . . are all news reports printing this error . . . or fact?

p.s. please please please . . . anyone else that wants to start the daily thread - please do so!

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 07:34 AM

henry, yesterday was the first time I had seen that "forced to take money" line since after the indictment and DA Hudson came out and said that wasn't the case.

Now whether it was ever corrected in everybody's "pre-filled" data when reporting is anyone's guess.

But I thought that had long been laid to rest.

:shrug:

Kel65

04-12-2008, 08:42 AM

This was on the JD News site
See comment from CaringCitizen

http://www.jdnews.com/news/happen_56005___article.html/coordinated_effort.html

Looks like CaringCitizen also posted on Off the Cuff as LH http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=36#comment-210

I think this person may be the one who was also leaving the cryptic messages on the JD News Comments Section.

ALL JMO

Taylor&Hunter

04-12-2008, 08:44 AM

:seeya: Hi guys! It's a been a while since I've been on this board to post but I just could not stand the redundancy with no new news! I commend those of you who stuck with it firmly believing he'd be caught & reviewed the facts/speculation. I would say after about 40-50 days of being on the run and no sign of him, I was beginning to think it would never happen or even that he possibly, was no longer alive.

I could NOT believe my eyes when I read he had been captured on Google news. From what i've read/seen, it sounds to me that he was ready to just give up the fight.

I pray to God that we get a TON of TRUTHFUL answers. Somehow it already looks like a game of cat and mouse with his little "proof" comment but maybe interrogation will work wonders for him. I'm hoping that with him being so secluded for so long that he doesn't know many of the facts released and that alone will trip him up.

Money was in short supply (I assume) so I doubt he spent much of his internet cafe $$$ on looking up case facts...never know though. Wouldnt' that be creepy if he had found his way to this board? AHHH!! Just the thought sends chills up my spine. I know it wouldn't be the first or last time a murderer reads their own case on here.

Anyway, I just wanted to say "hi" again!

CANDYKISSES

04-12-2008, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by Kel65
This was on the JD News site
See comment from CaringCitizen

http://www.jdnews.com/news/happen_56005___article.html/coordinated_effort.html

Looks like CaringCitizen also posted on Off the Cuff as LH http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=36#comment-210

I think this person may be the one who was also leaving the cryptic messages on the JD News Comments Section.

ALL JMO [/*]

Kel, I hope you got a screen shot. Also noteworthy Hudson said on Greta they had only been thru half if that of the emails.....:o

OH MY, I wonder how he makes out at the horse races?:biggrin:

jmo

Kel65

04-12-2008, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

Kel, I hope you got a screen shot. Also noteworthy Hudson said on Greta they had only been thru half if that of the emails.....:o

OH MY, I wonder how he makes out at the horse races?:biggrin:

jmo [/*]

I hope that LH or CaringCitizen person got some screen shots because the MS page has been deleted. JMO

Marcia3

04-12-2008, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by Taylor&Hunter
:seeya: Hi guys! It's a been a while since I've been on this board to post but I just could not stand the redundancy with no new news! I commend those of you who stuck with it firmly believing he'd be caught & reviewed the facts/speculation. I would say after about 40-50 days of being on the run and no sign of him, I was beginning to think it would never happen or even that he possibly, was no longer alive.

I could NOT believe my eyes when I read he had been captured on Google news. From what i've read/seen, it sounds to me that he was ready to just give up the fight.

I pray to God that we get a TON of TRUTHFUL answers. Somehow it already looks like a game of cat and mouse with his little "proof" comment but maybe interrogation will work wonders for him. I'm hoping that with him being so secluded for so long that he doesn't know many of the facts released and that alone will trip him up.

Money was in short supply (I assume) so I doubt he spent much of his internet cafe $$$ on looking up case facts...never know though. Wouldnt' that be creepy if he had found his way to this board? AHHH!! Just the thought sends chills up my spine. I know it wouldn't be the first or last time a murderer reads their own case on here.

Anyway, I just wanted to say "hi" again! [/*]

Welcome home, H&T!

I, too, had stopped posting other than the occasional pop-in to say hello and see what the gang was up to...until of course I almost fell out of bed when I landed on the LKL re-broadcast at 3:30 in the morning and saw CAL's perp video!

From catching up this morning on yesterday's thread, the topic seems to be what part, if any, CSL played in this crime.

Here's my theory on that: LE knows she played a part in the coverup and perhaps the actual desecration of Maria and Gabriel's bodies, but they are using her as the best witness they have. Their defense of her in yesterday's PC was just the beginning of "cleaning her up" and "making her pretty" before they go to trial. IMO they will continue their PR campaign to make her a believable witness with nothing to hide...but have made it clear to her that if she doesn't play nice they have evidence to indict her as an accessory after the fact.

All JMO, but it's the only scenario that makes sense to me.

Glad to see you here again. How are you feeling these days?

:seeya:

CANDYKISSES

04-12-2008, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by Marcia3

Welcome home, H&T!

I, too, had stopped posting other than the occasional pop-in to say hello and see what the gang was up to...until of course I almost fell out of bed when I landed on the LKL re-broadcast at 3:30 in the morning and saw CAL's perp video!

From catching up this morning on yesterday's thread, the topic seems to be what part, if any, CSL played in this crime.

Here's my theory on that: LE knows she played a part in the coverup and perhaps the actual desecration of Maria and Gabriel's bodies, but they are using her as the best witness they have. Their defense of her in yesterday's PC was just the beginning of "cleaning her up" and "making her pretty" before they go to trial. IMO they will continue their PR campaign to make her a believable witness with nothing to hide...but have made it clear to her that if she doesn't play nice they have evidence to indict her as an accessory after the fact.

All JMO, but it's the only scenario that makes sense to me.

Glad to see you here again. How are you feeling these days?

:seeya: [/*]

Excellent summation Marcia...you may step down now! :o

That makes much more sense than believing that with only half of the email messages analyzed at best, Dewey Hudson is out there stitching her victim gown for the club. She will never be a victim of anyone other than herself in my eyes. IF NC chooses to turn a blind eye to her, then maybe their case isn't as strong as we had all hoped for and they NEED HER IMO! That will sadden me if it's the case.

But I have little faith she will do as they are telling her to without breaking out somewhere. JMO tho.

I don't advocate someone like that getting a free pass if she was involved.

:( ALL JMO.

Kel65

04-12-2008, 09:48 AM

Link to a copy of the alleged email sent to SB

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/brown_56022___article.html/note_cesar.html

CANDYKISSES

04-12-2008, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by Kel65
Link to a copy of the alleged email sent to SB

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/brown_56022___article.html/note_cesar.html [/*]

Kel, I am tired of seeing the maligning of Ed Brown here too. That is one stand up guy and he is pure in his heart from everything I've seen. He doesn't have to be perfect for me either. I feel the same way about the articles we have been presented with that show him in a less favorable light as I do about the things that show Maria in a less favorable light.

Good people do not have to be perfect. ED BROWN is an asset to his community and humanity IMO.

:patriot:

JD81

04-12-2008, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by Kel65

I hope that LH or CaringCitizen person got some screen shots because the MS page has been deleted. JMO [/*]

Could you explain? I have no idea who you are talking about. I have been to both sites you have put up and found nothing. What MS page has been deleted?

Thanks

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by Kel65
Link to a copy of the alleged email sent to SB

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/brown_56022___article.html/note_cesar.html [/*]

Thank you Kel65 for this information. So, the woman/baby killer is afraid of a military court martial and hard time at Leavenworth on a chain gang. What a shame. I fully expect the mc to take him to trial after the local authorities are done with him.

Kel65

04-12-2008, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by JD81

Could you explain? I have no idea who you are talking about. I have been to both sites you have put up and found nothing. What MS page has been deleted?

Thanks [/*]

JD81 sorry not taking the bait.

JD81

04-12-2008, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by Kel65

JD81 sorry not taking the bait. [/*]

:confused:

Kel65

04-12-2008, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

Kel, I am tired of seeing the maligning of Ed Brown here too. That is one stand up guy and he is pure in his heart from everything I've seen. He doesn't have to be perfect for me either. I feel the same way about the articles we have been presented with that show him in a less favorable light as I do about the things that show Maria in a less favorable light.

Good people do not have to be perfect. ED BROWN is an asset to his community and humanity IMO.

:patriot: [/*]

He may not be the most eloquent public speaker, but than neither am I.

I think he is a pretty stand up guy too. JMO

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by Kel65

He may not be the most eloquent public speaker, but than neither am I.

I think he is a pretty stand up guy too. JMO [/*]

To me that just attracts to his genuineness. The ones who are polished sometimes are just plain slick and can deceive the public by their eloquence without really having substance.

He talks from his heart.....he doesn't sugarcoat it or spin it. He is just there to see that justice is served for his citizens.

I think it is commendable that he knows his role well. He assured Laurean that he would be treated with respect. He knows it is his duty also to see that all of his inmates are safe and secure while in his jail.

I think if Lauren does come back and talks even with his attorney present it will be to Ed Brown.

imoo

JD81

04-12-2008, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

To me that just attracts to his genuineness. The ones who are polished sometimes are just plain slick and can deceive the public by their eloquence without really having substance.

He talks from his heart.....he doesn't sugarcoat it or spin it. He is just there to see that justice is served for his citizens.

I think it is commendable that he knows his role well. He assured Laurean that he would be treated with respect. He knows it is his duty also to see that all of his inmates are safe and secure while in his jail.

I think if Lauren does come back and talks even with his attorney present it will be to Ed Brown.

imoo [/*]

GB it is no longer a matter of if Cesar comes back. He will be back. He is in custody now in Mexico.

Cesar will not run the show. He won't have his choice of who he talks to.

jmo

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

Thank you Kel65 for this information. So, the woman/baby killer is afraid of a military court martial and hard time at Leavenworth on a chain gang. What a shame. I fully expect the mc to take him to trial after the local authorities are done with him. [/*]

Strange even then he says he knows they are going to convict him on no evidence.

I think that will all be worked out before he is extradited. The Mexican people aren't stupid and if they think the military is going to back door a death penalty later on that will bog down the extradition.

The military also has a close working relationship with Mexico because they have deserters who have fled to their country that they want back. So imo all of this will have to be above board and honest and sorted out before he leaves or it will hurt our relationship later on when we need another fugitive extradited.

imoo

Marcia3

04-12-2008, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

Kel, I am tired of seeing the maligning of Ed Brown here too. That is one stand up guy and he is pure in his heart from everything I've seen. He doesn't have to be perfect for me either. I feel the same way about the articles we have been presented with that show him in a less favorable light as I do about the things that show Maria in a less favorable light.

Good people do not have to be perfect. ED BROWN is an asset to his community and humanity IMO.

:patriot: [/*]

Count me in on that bandwagon. I respect SB and believe he is just what we see...no veneer or slick exterior. What we see is what we get, and I like that in a public official.

Thank God good people don't have to be perfect, CK, or a lot of us wouldn't make the cut, IMO.

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by JD81

GB it is no longer a matter of if Cesar comes back. He will be back. He is in custody now in Mexico.

Cesar will not run the show. He won't have his choice of who he talks to.

jmo [/*]

If he is willing to talk.........of course he will have a right to ask to talk with Sheriff Brown personally and we can all better believe Ed will be right there to hear his story if he wants to talk. He has already told CL to come back and tell HIM his story.

I never said he was going to run the show so I have no clue what you are talking about.:confused: He however will be treated with respect. SB is known for that. He runs a fair department both to see that justice is served and inmates that are being held by his department are given their entitled rights and are not abused but are treated fairly.

imoo

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 10:41 AM

JD81

04-12-2008, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Strange even then he says he knows they are going to convict him on no evidence.

I think that will all be worked out before he is extradited. The Mexican people aren't stupid and if they think the military is going to back door a death penalty later on that will bog down the extradition.

The military also has a close working relationship with Mexico because they have deserters who have fled to their country that they want back. So imo all of this will have to be above board and honest and sorted out before he leaves or it will hurt our relationship later on when we need another fugitive extradited.

imoo [/*]

The only thing Mexico wants off the table is the DP. They don't want a woman baby killer. jmo

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by Marcia3

Count me in on that bandwagon. I respect SB and believe he is just what we see...no veneer or slick exterior. What we see is what we get, and I like that in a public official.

Thank God good people don't have to be perfect, CK, or a lot of us wouldn't make the cut, IMO. [/*]

Amen, Sister!:rose:

Marcia3

04-12-2008, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by wandering
Making up stuff again...:lol: [/*]

I am entitled to my theories and I stated it as such. Let's not start with the rude responses and such, all that does is eventually get our thread shut down. No need for that, just no need at all.

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Strange even then he says he knows they are going to convict him on no evidence.

I think that will all be worked out before he is extradited. The Mexican people aren't stupid and if they think the military is going to back door a death penalty later on that will bog down the extradition.

The military also has a close working relationship with Mexico because they have deserters who have fled to their country that they want back. So imo all of this will have to be above board and honest and sorted out before he leaves or it will hurt our relationship later on when we need another fugitive extradited.

imoo [/*]

Who said anything about the military seeking the death penalty? That will not happen, imo. But, they can and will imo initiate a court martial.

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by JD81

The only thing Mexico wants off the table is the DP. They don't want a woman baby killer. jmo [/*]

Yes, and they want be bamboozled by a back door death penalty case later on that may be done by the military. IMO those issues will be resolved before they extradite.

And even DA Hudson said extradition can take up to two years.

We have no idea what they want but I do expect they do want a full relationship that is honest and above board.

Since Laurean is worried about this I am sure he has discussed it with his Mexican attorney by now.

imoo

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by Marcia3

I am entitled to my theories and I stated it as such. Let's not start with the rude responses and such, all that does is eventually get our thread shut down. No need for that, just no need at all. [/*]

ITA Marcia. Anyone is entitled to respectfully disagree with another poster, but ridicule and rudeness are not necessary, imo.

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by JD81

GB it is no longer a matter of if Cesar comes back. He will be back. He is in custody now in Mexico.

Cesar will not run the show. He won't have his choice of who he talks to.

jmo [/*]
You are absolutely right and I believe they will have professionals from the FBI and possibly the DA's office speak to laurean. In that way they can assure no information is spewed on some cable show that should not be. IMO.

CANDYKISSES

04-12-2008, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

I have more respect for Ed Brown than I do for all the fancy city slicker fast talking sheriffs from more populated large cities, who come in front of the media and spin spin spin. Eds not doing anything for his own reelection, hes been reelected many times and frankly, I think the guy deserves to retire and remember this one as his last one, hes been a great Sheriff and has NOTHING IMO to apologize for. Thanks Sheriff Brown, for KEEPING IT REAL. [/*]

YES ANNIEBEAN, he is all that IMHO too.

Last night he gave you a view into his school of thought as well...

LALAMA: Well, Sheriff, let`s answer that question because I know we have a little bit of time left with you. Is it the presumption that the wife simply just didn`t know there was anything wrong in her home, in the back yard, in the environment?

BROWN: That is what we have been told by her. I know there`s been a lot of speculations. However, we have to deal with the facts that we know and can prove. And at this time, as strange as it may sound to the average citizen, it`s possible that she did not know this had taken place. I said possible. Stranger things have happened, but...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0804/11/ng.01.html

:patriot: JMO

wandering

04-12-2008, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006
[/*]Just wanted to respond to your post on the other thread.

Jennifer Levin's diary was used in the Chambers trial because Jennifer was deceased.

Christina is not.

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by Marcia3

I am entitled to my theories and I stated it as such. Let's not start with the rude responses and such, all that does is eventually get our thread shut down. No need for that, just no need at all. [/*]

How true.

I hope your day is going well, Marcia.

So nice to see you posting once again here.

imoo:seeya:

court~critic1®

04-12-2008, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

Who said anything about the military seeking the death penalty? That will not happen, imo. But, they can and will imo initiate a court martial. [/*]

The only thing I can see the MC charging him with is being AWOL or desertion. He did not commit murder on the base so that is out. imohoo

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by wandering
Just wanted to respond to your post on the other thread.

Jennifer Levin's diary was used in the Chambers trial because Jennifer was deceased.

Christina is not. [/*]

That means Christina can authenticate them since she is the one that wrote them, the emails and the letters not yet mailed to him.

imoo

wandering

04-12-2008, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by court~critic1®

The only thing I can see the MC charging him with is being AWOL or desertion. He did not commit murder on the base so that is out. imohoo [/*]What about the rape? And he murdered another marine.

CANDYKISSES

04-12-2008, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Yes, and they want be bamboozled by a back door death penalty case later on that may be done by the military. IMO those issues will be resolved before they extradite.

And even DA Hudson said extradition can take up to two years.

We have no idea what they want but I do expect they do want a full relationship that is honest and above board.

Since Laurean is worried about this I am sure he has discussed it with his Mexican attorney by now.

imoo [/*]

I think we would be sending a very bad message for diplomatic relations if the USMC tried to back-door a death penalty after a civillian trial and personally don't see it happening IMO.

I agree with you about that being addressed before his return. IF it's true about him not challenging extradition, I fully expect we will see him on USA soil within about sixty days, but I also expect things to be well defined with reference to the courts where he will be brought to trial.

JMO:shrug:

wandering

04-12-2008, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

That means Christina can authenticate them since she is the one that wrote them, the emails and the letters not yet mailed to him.

imoo [/*]Her diary was written to herself. You can write whatever you want to in a diary.

bkwits

04-12-2008, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by wandering
What about the rape? And he murdered another marine. [/*]

Right!

CANDYKISSES

04-12-2008, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by Marcia3

I am entitled to my theories and I stated it as such. Let's not start with the rude responses and such, all that does is eventually get our thread shut down. No need for that, just no need at all. [/*]

Well stated Marcia3 and we don't agree on many things, but I respect your views and know you to be sincere in your posting and that your theories always have a foundation. None of us can claim we know what happened or why, but opining with some basis has never been off the table here from my experience.

Nobody should try to make you feel unwelcome IMO. :)

jmo

JD81

04-12-2008, 11:05 AM

It looks like Cesar got himself caught by making contact with familiy members and not only Christina either.

Since LE and DA Hudson are saying Christina broke this case wide open, I hope she gets the reward money. Just saying...........

jmo

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by wandering
Just wanted to respond to your post on the other thread.

Jennifer Levin's diary was used in the Chambers trial because Jennifer was deceased.

Christina is not. [/*]

I didn't realize your post saying that diaries didn't make it into trials was quantified by the person having to be deceased.

Maybe you should have been more clear.

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by wandering
Her diary was written to herself. You can write whatever you want to in a diary. [/*]

I don't think anyone can just write what they want to without worry and it be hunkie doorie..........we have seen writings come back to haunt the ones who wrote the words.

imoo

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by wandering
What about the rape? And he murdered another marine. [/*]

It would be very difficult, sadly, to prove the alleged rape now. The murder, I believe, does not fall under military jurisdiction.

JMO

court~critic1®

04-12-2008, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by wandering
What about the rape? And he murdered another marine. [/*]

IIRC the MC did not persue the rape charges. So that is out. The only time they would bring charges of murder of another Marine is, if it was on base, or in a combat zone. moo

bkwits

04-12-2008, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

Who said anything about the military seeking the death penalty? That will not happen, imo. But, they can and will imo initiate a court martial. [/*]

Reggie,

How does that work? Is he first tried in civil court? What if he gets LWOP in civil court? Will the military still try him?

Sorry for so many questions. At least he is caught and in prison.

Justice for Maria and Gabriel :rose:

wandering

04-12-2008, 11:08 AM

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by wandering
What about the rape? And he murdered another marine. [/*]

Then there is the not so small matter of his disobeying a direct order and being close to Maria, not to mention his lie of never having sex with her and his desertion. Think the mc is gonna just let that go....lol......hardly. IMO. :D

Howiefan

04-12-2008, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by henry
respectfully snipped
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,350834,00.html

also in this article, again, it states that cesar forced maria to take the $ out on 12/14 and then killed her . . [/*]

funny Henry after seeing Maria at the ATM on the 14ht i have always said she looked scared.. how many people at an ATM look oer their shoulder and acted like she did.. I have not seen many.. If this is true then it leads me to believe she did not go to Laurean's house WILLINGLY as so many in here believe

jmo good to see you again Henry:seeya:

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

YES ANNIEBEAN, he is all that IMHO too.

Last night he gave you a view into his school of thought as well...

LALAMA: Well, Sheriff, let`s answer that question because I know we have a little bit of time left with you. Is it the presumption that the wife simply just didn`t know there was anything wrong in her home, in the back yard, in the environment?

BROWN: That is what we have been told by her. I know there`s been a lot of speculations. However, we have to deal with the facts that we know and can prove. And at this time, as strange as it may sound to the average citizen, it`s possible that she did not know this had taken place. I said possible. Stranger things have happened, but...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0804/11/ng.01.html

:patriot: JMO [/*]

That is what we have been told by her.

I don't know why, but that part seems to always get lost or overlooked.

:shrug:

Kel65

04-12-2008, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by wandering
What about the rape? And he murdered another marine. [/*]

I think you forgot to add the word allegedly. He has not been convicted of murdering another marine at this point in time. JMO

wandering

04-12-2008, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Janz

While this is true about a diary being written to oneslelf, why did LE sieze the diary? [/*]For investigation. If there's no evidence Christina was involved, the diary won't make it to court.

Christina won't be on trial.

Do you think every investigative tool LE uses gets into court?

How about all those tip lines? Each trial would take years, for what purpose?

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by bkwits

Reggie,

How does that work? Is he first tried in civil court? What if he gets LWOP in civil court? Will the military still try him?

Sorry for so many questions. At least he is caught and in prison.

Justice for Maria and Gabriel :rose: [/*]

Hi bkwits, I am going by what I heard a JAG officer say on either Larry King or NG that the military reserves the right to take laurean to a court martial. IIRC, Hudson mentioned it too. Perhaps you can find something in the links thread.

I would imagine the court martial would be after the local trial, but who knows?

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by JD81
It looks like Cesar got himself caught by making contact with family members and not only Christina either.

Since LE and DA Hudson are saying Christina broke this case wide open, I hope she gets the reward money. Just saying...........

jmo [/*]

Yeah, nothing like blood money to quell the thirst. Maybe it will make her feel better about losing the love of her life.

Of course she did. LOL She was busy chatting away with him on line.......LE got wind of it and they swooped in with a SW to raid her sister's home and confiscated their computer, her diaries and the letters she had gotten ready to mail to her hubby she loves dearly. Of course she helped them..........unbeknowst of course. lol and they still aren't through going through the computer evidence.

I bet she regrets she didn't get to meet in LV because Hudson said they may have been making plans to meet.

imoo

wandering

04-12-2008, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by Kel65

I think you forgot to add the word allegedly. He has not been convicted of murdering another marine at this point in time. JMO [/*]That's my opinion. Funny, with all the stuff posters make up here.

Read my by-line. :rolleyes:

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

I don't know why, but that part seems to always get lost or overlooked.

:shrug: [/*]

I'm sure they talked to her about it LONG AND HARD, and if she were "pulling a fast one" they could figure it out. LE has a way of figuring out lies......sit on her hard enough, and she'd have broken. Obviously they believe her. It's good enough for me.

IMO.

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by Kel65

I think you forgot to add the word allegedly. He has not been convicted of murdering another marine at this point in time. JMO [/*]

I believe he raped and murdered Maria. IUPG is for a court of law, which we are not in. :patriot:

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by JD81
It looks like Cesar got himself caught by making contact with familiy members and not only Christina either.

Since LE and DA Hudson are saying Christina broke this case wide open, I hope she gets the reward money. Just saying...........

jmo [/*]

The only thing Christina had a part where something was "broke wide open" was the hard drive on Amber's computer where she was corresponding with a fugitive.

JD81

04-12-2008, 11:16 AM

wandering

04-12-2008, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Yeah, nothing like blood money to quell the thirst. Maybe it will make her feel better about losing the love of her life.

Of course she did. LOL She was busy chatting away with him on line.......LE got wind of it and they swooped in with a SW to raid her sister's home and confiscated their computer, her diaries and the letters she had gotten ready to mail to her hubby she loves dearly. Of course she helped them..........unbeknowst of course. lol and they still aren't through going through the computer evidence.

I bet she regrets she didn't get to meet in LV because Hudson said they may have been making plans to meet.

imoo [/*]And you don't really know if she would have turned him in, do you? She refused to send him any money, so I doubt she wanted it that bad.

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Yeah, nothing like blood money to quell the thirst. Maybe it will make her feel better about losing the love of her life.

Of course she did. LOL She was busy chatting away with him on line.......LE got wind of it and they swooped in with a SW to raid her sister's home and confiscated their computer, her diaries and the letters she had gotten ready to mail to her hubby she loves dearly. Of course she helped them..........unbeknowst of course. lol and they still aren't through going through the computer evidence.

I bet she regrets she didn't get to meet in LV because Hudson said they may have been making plans to meet.

imoo [/*]

I thought Hudson said laurean was going to LV to see his family. Don't recall him mentioning Christina. Got a link to that?

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by wandering
For investigation. If there's no evidence Christina was involved, the diary won't make it to court.

Christina won't be on trial.

Do you think every investigative tool LE uses gets into court?

How about all those tip lines? Each trial would take years, for what purpose? [/*]

That is not true. If there are things out there that call into play the witness' credibility it most certain is allowed. We see it happen all the time on other cases when things are brought out about the witness that is testifying.

moo

wandering

04-12-2008, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by sherryhefner

I'm always pretty alert at the ATM....I look around to see who might be coming up on me, etc.

Still, I remember when someone here a couple months ago mentioned that maybe CL had promised Maria some baby clothes and she went to get them. I thought that was a pretty crazy idea....but then they did find some baby clothes in the fire pit. So
heck, what do I know?:shrug: [/*]I flashed on that too. That would have been the lure. And yes, they did find some baby clothes...

Kel65

04-12-2008, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by wandering
And you don't really know if she would have turned him in, do you? She refused to send him any money, so I doubt she wanted it that bad. [/*]

It wasn't real hard for her to refuse to send money that she probably doesn't have. I bet her finances are a wreck right now, especially without Cesar's paycheck. JMO

wandering

04-12-2008, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

That is not true. If there are things out there that call into play the witness' credibility it most certain is allowed. We see it happen all the time on other cases when things are brought out about the witness that is testifying.

moo [/*]Name one.

JD81

04-12-2008, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by wandering
And you don't really know if she would have turned him in, do you? She refused to send him any money, so I doubt she wanted it that bad. [/*]

LOL Haven't you heard the only reason she didn't send him money was because she didn't have any after losing his paycheck.:rolleyes:

jmo

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

I thought Hudson said laurean was going to LV to see his family. Don't recall him mentioning Christina. Got a link to that? [/*]

It was in one of the links I read Reggie the day it came out that she was communicating with him. I can't remember if I read it yesterday or the night before.......mostly likely yesterday morning though.

imoo

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

I'm sure they talked to her about it LONG AND HARD, and if she were "pulling a fast one" they could figure it out. LE has a way of figuring out lies......sit on her hard enough, and she'd have broken. Obviously they believe her. It's good enough for me.

IMO. [/*]

They have had the computer for over two weeks and no arrest. I think Christina took a polygraph and passed. Those salivating over the arrest of Christina are going to be sady disappointed, imo.

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

It was in one of the links I read Reggie the day it came out that she was communicating with him. I can't remember if I read it yesterday or the night before.......mostly likely yesterday morning though.

imoo [/*]

Okay gentlebreeze, thanks.

Kel65

04-12-2008, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by JD81

LOL Haven't you heard the only reason she didn't send him money was because she didn't have any after losing his paycheck.:rolleyes:

jmo [/*]

I bet it was a big reason. JMO

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by JD81

LOL Haven't you heard the only reason she didn't send him money was because she didn't have any after losing his paycheck.:rolleyes:

jmo [/*]

Well from what her attorney said it seems he had advised her not to send any money.

Don't know how she would have any extra money anyway on a Lance Corporal's pay.

imoo

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by Kel65

It wasn't real hard for her to refuse to send money that she probably doesn't have. I bet her finances are a wreck right now, especially without Cesar's paycheck. JMO [/*]
Did the mc stop paying her?

Mimi428

04-12-2008, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by JD81

Cesar will not run the show. He won't have his choice of who he talks to.

jmo [/*]

No, he sure won't. If he had been arrested in the USA, he would never have had to experience being stood up & put on display in front of a swarm of cameras, as we saw yesterday. If he had been here, his attorney(s) could have prevented anything like that from ever happening.

But in Mexico - all SORTS of rules we pretty much take for granted do not apply.

I do not believe any of the USA LE agencies are particularly interested in breaking & bending the rules, due to Cesar being in Mexico & not in NC, but IF (& I do say IF!) they were, there is probably no end of 'interesting' interrogations that COULD go on between the MX investigators & Cesar.

Today, I'm just not feeling real charitable about any indignities Cesar may suffer while in the custody of MX LE. I don't want him tortured, I don't want him to suffer sexual assaults, etc. But I sure wouldn't be needing or passing out any Kleenex should Cesar be questioned by MX LE, in ways that would not pass muster here. I don't condone violence to be committed against even the most heinous of murderers, but there are other things that could take place THERE, that would never take place HERE (along the same vein as being paraded in front of cameras).

As for Christina, as mad as it made me the other night to read the statements which didn't indicate she was as upset about Maria's murder as she was that her husband had been unfaithful, it did make an impression on me that every person at the press conference yesterday put emphasis on making sure the world was told she is STILL not considered anything other than a cooperating witness. It's understandable that her attorney would do so, but the others certainly did not have the same motives as he did to clarify her status.

JMO

court~critic1®

04-12-2008, 11:22 AM

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 11:22 AM

Kel65

04-12-2008, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

Did the mc stop paying her? [/*]

I don't believe so, but LCPL don't make much at all. A lot of them get govt. assistance in the form of WIC because they make so little. JMO

ETA - and food stamps too.

Howiefan

04-12-2008, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by sherryhefner

I'm always pretty alert at the ATM....I look around to see who might be coming up on me, etc.

Still, I remember when someone here a couple months ago mentioned that maybe CL had promised Maria some baby clothes and she went to get them. I thought that was a pretty crazy idea....but then they did find some baby clothes in the fire pit. So
heck, what do I know?:shrug: [/*]

the operative word is "could have promised her some clothes" that does not mean that this happened nor do I believe it.. If he forced her to withdraw money there is no way she went there willingly.
I am careful too at ATM machine but Maria just seemed nervous like someone was watching / forcing her
jmo

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

They have had the computer for over two weeks and no arrest. I think Christina took a polygraph and passed. Those salivating over the arrest of Christina are going to be sady disappointed, imo. [/*]

I just don't find that feasible, Reggie.

She has had a lawyer before she even delivered the notes that morning to the MC, they were with her then.

I don't see any criminal defense lawyer advising her to take a LTD.

imoo

wandering

04-12-2008, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by Kel65

I don't believe so, but LCPL don't make much at all. A lot of them get govt. assistance in the form of WIC because they make so little. JMO [/*]She's living with her sister. Wonder what's going on with their house?

wandering

04-12-2008, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by JD81

LOL Haven't you heard the only reason she didn't send him money was because she didn't have any after losing his paycheck.:rolleyes:

jmo [/*]That doesn't matter, in a court of law, and you don't know that. She didn't send him any money. Period.

Now if his family did, then they're in trouble.

JD81

04-12-2008, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by Mimi428

No, he sure won't. If he had been arrested in the USA, he would never have had to experience being stood up & put on display in front of a swarm of cameras, as we saw yesterday. If he had been here, his attorney(s) could have prevented anything like that from ever happening.

But in Mexico - all SORTS of rules we pretty much take for granted do not apply.

I do not believe any of the USA LE agencies are particularly interested in breaking & bending the rules, due to Cesar being in Mexico & not in NC, but IF (& I do say IF!) they were, there is probably no end of 'interesting' interrogations that COULD go on between the MX investigators & Cesar.

Today, I'm just not feeling real charitable about any indignities Cesar may suffer while in the custody of MX LE. I don't want him tortured, I don't want him to suffer sexual assaults, etc. But I sure wouldn't be needing or passing out any Kleenex should Cesar be questioned by MX LE, in ways that would not pass muster here. I don't condone violence to be committed against even the most heinous of murderers, but there are other things that could take place THERE, that would never take place HERE (along the same vein as being paraded in front of cameras).

As for Christina, as mad as it made me the other night to read the statements which didn't indicate she was as upset about Maria's murder as she was that her husband had been unfaithful, it did make an impression on me that every person at the press conference yesterday put emphasis on making sure the world was told she is STILL not considered anything other than a cooperating witness. It's understandable that her attorney would do so, but the others certainly did not have the same motives as he did to clarify her status.

JMO [/*]

I agree, and in reference to her attorney, when he said he does not contemplate any charges against her in the future, it looks to me he has been speaking to the DA.

DA's will talk with defense attorneys. Just saying........

jmo

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

The only thing Christina had a part where something was "broke wide open" was the hard drive on Amber's computer where she was corresponding with a fugitive. [/*]

Exactly.

She played right into their hands......she didn't disappoint them.

They are very aware how much she loves this guy.

imo

JD81

04-12-2008, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

I just don't find that feasible, Reggie.

She has had a lawyer before she even delivered the notes that morning to the MC, they were with her then.

I don't see any criminal defense lawyer advising her to take a LTD.

imoo [/*]

Really? I do, since she is innocent.

wandering

04-12-2008, 11:31 AM

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 11:31 AM

Marcia3

04-12-2008, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

How true.

I hope your day is going well, Marcia.

So nice to see you posting once again here.

imoo:seeya: [/*]

Thx, Ocean. Hope things are going well for you, too!

Great to be back discussing what will happen now that CAL has been captured!

:patriot:

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by Janz

I seem to recall in an earlier PC by Rick Sutherland that they were speaking to Christina through her attorney. This was some weeks back. Sorry, I don`t have the link, just a recollection. [/*]

Yes, Janz, actually that was quite awhile ago now. It is hard to keep up with the events and when they happened.

But yes he did say that she would only be speaking with them through her attorney or imo with her attorney present.

imoo

JD81

04-12-2008, 11:33 AM

court~critic1®

04-12-2008, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by wandering
That doesn't matter, in a court of law, and you don't know that. She didn't send him any money. Period.

Now if his family did, then they're in trouble. [/*]

How do we know that she didn't? Just because the LE said so. lol I don't think they had a tail on her 24 hrs a day. There are many ways of sending money to people without someone knowing about it. I will have to take the wait and see approach., in this matter.

Marcia3

04-12-2008, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by Janz

I agree. Since when is stating an opinion or theory called "making up stories"? Glad to see you Marcia. [/*]

LOL, I know I was away from the forum for a while, but I didn't think the rules had changed that much!

Good to see you as well. :)

Marcia3

04-12-2008, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

Well stated Marcia3 and we don't agree on many things, but I respect your views and know you to be sincere in your posting and that your theories always have a foundation. None of us can claim we know what happened or why, but opining with some basis has never been off the table here from my experience.

Nobody should try to make you feel unwelcome IMO. :)

jmo [/*]

Thx, sweetie...I love a good debate, and you are one of the best debaters out there! :seeya:

bkwits

04-12-2008, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by Howiefan

funny Henry after seeing Maria at the ATM on the 14ht i have always said she looked scared.. how many people at an ATM look oer their shoulder and acted like she did.. I have not seen many.. If this is true then it leads me to believe she did not go to Laurean's house WILLINGLY as so many in here believe

jmo good to see you again Henry:seeya: [/*]

I never believed that Maria just showed up at the Laurean house. Never, ever believed that.

wandering

04-12-2008, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by JD81

Sorry, I didn't make my post clear. I was just saying what others have been posting and I certainly agree with you. [/*]Thanks. The facts make it into court, the rest is hyperbole.

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by court~critic1®

How do we know that she didn't? Just because the LE said so. lol I don't think they had a tail on her 24 hrs a day. There are many ways of sending money to people without someone knowing about it. I will have to take the wait and see approach., in this matter. [/*]

We didn't know she was corresponding with him either. To hear it told here, he brought shame to her, abused her with his "hair trigger temper", she hated his stinkin' guts and was glad he was gone.

Who knew?

:shrug:

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by sherryhefner
I'm trying to understand his need for money....I thought his family in Mexico were giving him enough to live on. Wasn't it his cousin that had the large liquor store?
Some people might say that he only had a dollar in his pocket....so what? Some days, I only have a dollar too. You can tell by looking at him that he looks fairly healthy....not too thin.

I think if he was asking for money, it was to make the trip to the States to meet up with XT.....? [/*]

Actually I think he has two cousins that owns two different liquor store businesses.

Then one of his uncles owns the land where he was staying in the cabin. I agree they said he had two rows of canned tuna on the shelves and was eating the avocados from the ranch where he was staying. Also found a log where he recorded his PTs.

I think that was why he was asking for money also.......to make the trip to see his parents and was expecting Christina and his daughter to come there since she knew he couldn't come back to NC. I think his family members wanted to help him but they knew it was just too hot to touch and they couldn't even though they wanted to do it imo. I do understand that they had to protect themselves by not sending him funds.

imoo

Kel65

04-12-2008, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Or (IMO so don't start anything) before he left she could have promised to send him $$ every now and then.

I still think it's VERY coincidental that the week before he "fled" to the Raleigh area, Christina was assigned to the MC recruitment office in Raleigh.

http://media.mgnetwork.com/nct/images/links/marinequestions.pdf

Must be one of those "bizarre twists and turns"? [/*]

There are too many coincidences and breadcrumb trails in this case. At this time, I don't believe that there is a preponderance of evidence to support that Christina had a part in the murder or coverup and that is why she has not been arrested. I'm interested to see if LE has conclusive evidence that she was not involved and that does not include her word or notes. JMO, I don't believe at this time that LE can conclusviely prove that she had absolutely nothing to do with this. Therefore, at this time I am not ready to absolutely conclude that she is innocent in helping with the murder and/or coverup. It would be nice if she is innocent for her child's sake, but my gut says she isn't. JMO

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 11:43 AM

Mimi428

04-12-2008, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by bkwits

I never believed that Maria just showed up at the Laurean house. Never, ever believed that. [/*]

Neither do I.

bkwits

04-12-2008, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Mimi428

No, he sure won't. If he had been arrested in the USA, he would never have had to experience being stood up & put on display in front of a swarm of cameras, as we saw yesterday. If he had been here, his attorney(s) could have prevented anything like that from ever happening.

But in Mexico - all SORTS of rules we pretty much take for granted do not apply.

I do not believe any of the USA LE agencies are particularly interested in breaking & bending the rules, due to Cesar being in Mexico & not in NC, but IF (& I do say IF!) they were, there is probably no end of 'interesting' interrogations that COULD go on between the MX investigators & Cesar.

Today, I'm just not feeling real charitable about any indignities Cesar may suffer while in the custody of MX LE. I don't want him tortured, I don't want him to suffer sexual assaults, etc. But I sure wouldn't be needing or passing out any Kleenex should Cesar be questioned by MX LE, in ways that would not pass muster here. I don't condone violence to be committed against even the most heinous of murderers, but there are other things that could take place THERE, that would never take place HERE (along the same vein as being paraded in front of cameras).

As for Christina, as mad as it made me the other night to read the statements which didn't indicate she was as upset about Maria's murder as she was that her husband had been unfaithful, it did make an impression on me that every person at the press conference yesterday put emphasis on making sure the world was told she is STILL not considered anything other than a cooperating witness. It's understandable that her attorney would do so, but the others certainly did not have the same motives as he did to clarify her status.

JMO [/*]

Well said, Mimi. I hope that Cesar deals with what he has done. Actually, I'm just as happy that the DP is off the table. Let him sit in prison and think about how he wrecked all these lives. IMO

JD81

04-12-2008, 11:44 AM

JD81

04-12-2008, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by bkwits

Well said, Mimi. I hope that Cesar deals with what he has done. Actually, I'm just as happy that the DP is off the table. Let him sit in prison and think about how he wrecked all these lives. IMO [/*]

Even though I believe in the DP, I really am glad it is off the table. LWOP is a very long time for a 21 year old.

jmo

court~critic1®

04-12-2008, 11:46 AM

CANDYKISSES

04-12-2008, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by Mimi428

Neither do I. [/*]

The PIO is quoted in an email saying they had contact prior to her going to his house. :shrug:

JMO

Marcia3

04-12-2008, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by bkwits

Well said, Mimi. I hope that Cesar deals with what he has done. Actually, I'm just as happy that the DP is off the table. Let him sit in prison and think about how he wrecked all these lives. IMO [/*]

ITA. At his age, LWOP will be much harder to do than the DP, IMO.

Lives he wrecked, you got that right. So many people he has damaged. There's no parole for the damage he has done, least of all for Maria and Gabriel.

court~critic1®

04-12-2008, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by sherryhefner

Congratulations, court~critic1, on becoming a senior member!!
:beer:
(root beer, of course) [/*]

Thank you!

In my 9 yrs on this board, and the old ones, this is about th e9th or 10th time I have reached 1000. lol

I do enjoy root beer.

:seeya:

CANDYKISSES

04-12-2008, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

I didn't realize your post saying that diaries didn't make it into trials was quantified by the person having to be deceased.

Maybe you should have been more clear. [/*]

I can remember Pam Mackey filing a motion that included an excerpt from the diary of the AV in the Kobe Bryant case, so I would't bet on it not coming in. That's one of those things I would want to see a solid link to in NC.

Just like yesterday when someone was claiming the DA doesn't need to charge for desecrating a body, the jury can come back with that charge and find him guilty....:confused:

I've never seen such a thing but would love to read up on it....but no link ever came on that either.

JMO

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by court~critic1®

I can honestly say I was not one of them. I have always believed she corresponded with him all this time in some way. I was berated for thinking that. :) [/*]

It was a passing thought with me until the "leak" about the raid-that-wasn't-a-raid at Amber's house. Then I was more convinced.

JMO

bkwits

04-12-2008, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by JD81

Even though I believe in the DP, I really am glad it is off the table. LWOP is a very long time for a 21 year old.

jmo [/*]

I am conflicted about the DP. I believe some crimes cry out for it, such as John Wayne Gacy, and Jeffrey Dahmer.

I think it should be rare and the standard of proving the guilt should be higher. One reason that I feel that way is that so many on death row in Illinois were found to be innocent. Not overturned by technicality, but innocent as proved by DNA and other proof. That is why the former Gov. put a moratorium on executions in IL.

Sorry, JD. Didn't mean to go into social discourse or anything. :)

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by Kel65

There are too many coincidences and breadcrumb trails in this case. At this time, I don't believe that there is a preponderance of evidence to support that Christina had a part in the murder or coverup and that is why she has not been arrested. I'm interested to see if LE has conclusive evidence that she was not involved and that does not include her word or notes. JMO, I don't believe at this time that LE can conclusviely prove that she had absolutely nothing to do with this. Therefore, at this time I am not ready to absolutely conclude that she is innocent in helping with the murder and/or coverup. It would be nice if she is innocent for her child's sake, but my gut says she isn't. JMO [/*]

Do you think that LE has much more information that we are privy too? (I think that was even mentioned by someone in the PC yesterday, IIRC.) I do. And that is what helps me form my opinion of Christina's lack of involvement.

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by court~critic1®

Thank you!

In my 9 yrs on this board, and the old ones, this is about th e9th or 10th time I have reached 1000. lol

I do enjoy root beer.

:seeya: [/*]

A hearty congratulatins, cc!

(Hope you got my last PM, with the info you requested.)

:seeya:

hinman

04-12-2008, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by Marcia3

ITA. At his age, LWOP will be much harder to do than the DP, IMO.

Lives he wrecked, you got that right. So many people he has damaged. There's no parole for the damage he has done, least of all for Maria and Gabriel. [/*]He is scared to death of what the military is going to do to him and their prison so I am satisfied with that. If the prison is so horrible there that he is begging for immunity then I say send him there.

How will that work any way? Will he go to a military prison?

JD81

04-12-2008, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

I can remember Pam Mackey filing a motion that included an excerpt from the diary of the AV in the Kobe Bryant case, so I would't bet on it not coming in. That's one of those things I would want to see a solid link to in NC.

Just like yesterday when someone was claiming the DA doesn't need to charge for desecrating a body, the jury can come back with that charge and find him guilty....:confused:

I've never seen such a thing but would love to read up on it....but no link ever came on that either.

JMO [/*]

I believe desecrating a body has to do with dismemberment and or posing of a body. Have you got a link to that law?

jmo

martha

04-12-2008, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by Marcia3

I am entitled to my theories and I stated it as such. Let's not start with the rude responses and such, all that does is eventually get our thread shut down. No need for that, just no need at all. [/*] ITA I think some of us have lost to much sleep. we or getting a little testie with each other we all have a right to ooo and no one is trying to get cl off in any way. there is nothing wrong with having a heart and feeling both ways. we don;t want the thread shut down. i don;t for sure. you or all good posters and i get so much inf here. lighten up. boy we have a lot of posters now. so good to have henry back. so good to have everyone here and i don;t get up set with what all of you or saying. I got to bed at 4 and this board is so fast i don;t get to read everything. i still want everyone here. a bunch of great ladys. good morning gb. hope you or feeling better.:rose:

bkwits

04-12-2008, 11:59 AM

CANDYKISSES

04-12-2008, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

We didn't know she was corresponding with him either. To hear it told here, he brought shame to her, abused her with his "hair trigger temper", she hated his stinkin' guts and was glad he was gone.

Who knew?

:shrug: [/*]

Oh my goodness, I can remember someone here posting away about how she hated him and he probably was abusive (with no evidence of such ever in their marriage), THAT SHE WOULD NEVER HAVE ANY CONTACT with him....oh the stories.

I'll bet they are shocked, huh?barf

I guess they didn't like fowl cryme.

Oh LORD.....won't you look at this?

Some have prematurely assumed that she is in the free and clear. JMO.... :eek:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/2724205/

JMO AND ALL THAT.

Howiefan

04-12-2008, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

The PIO is quoted in an email saying they had contact prior to her going to his house. :shrug:

JMO [/*]
CK..could you please direct me to where I could read this for myself..not that i dont believe you.. I have missed this info.. :)
thanks

JD81

04-12-2008, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

Oh my goodness, I can remember someone here posting away about how she hated him and he probably was abusive (with no evidence of such ever in their marriage), THAT SHE WOULD NEVER HAVE ANY CONTACT with him....oh the stories.

I'll bet they are shocked, huh?barf

I guess they didn't like fowl cryme.

Oh LORD.....won't you look at this?

Some have prematurely assumed that she is in the free and clear. JMO.... :eek:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/2724205/

JMO AND ALL THAT. [/*]

Who was that poster? I don't remember that at all.:lol:

crow crow crow (subliminal message)

Kel65

04-12-2008, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Do you think that LE has much more information that we are privy too? (I think that was even mentioned by someone in the PC yesterday, IIRC.) I do. And that is what helps me form my opinion of Christina's lack of involvement. [/*]

Much more is a relative term, so I will stay away from specifically answering that question. I do think, if they had conclusive evidence that she was not involved, it would be helpful to mention something to that effect, if they truly want to lessen the rampant negative public perception regarding Christina. JMO

bkwits

04-12-2008, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

I believe he raped and murdered Maria. IUPG is for a court of law, which we are not in. :patriot: [/*]

Thanks Reggie,

I think it is very apparent from my past posts that I totally agree with you.

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

Oh my goodness, I can remember someone here posting away about how she hated him and he probably was abusive (with no evidence of such ever in their marriage), THAT SHE WOULD NEVER HAVE ANY CONTACT with him....oh the stories.

I'll bet they are shocked, huh?barf

I guess they didn't like fowl cryme.

Oh LORD.....won't you look at this?

Some have prematurely assumed that she is in the free and clear. JMO.... :eek:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/2724205/

JMO AND ALL THAT. [/*]

"Oh absolutely, I haven't ruled anything out"

Also says IF the MC is going to file charges, they have to do it BEFORE he is released into the custody of Onslow County.

JD81

04-12-2008, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Also says IF the MC is going to file charges, they have to do it BEFORE he is released into the custody of Onslow County. [/*]

That's interesting. Do you have a link?

CANDYKISSES

04-12-2008, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by JD81

I believe desecrating a body has to do with dismemberment and or posing of a body. Have you got a link to that law?

jmo [/*]

:confused:

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

You have really kept the faith, Savannah. Was it a surprise to you that Ctina apparently still loves Cesar? [/*]

Oh gosh yes, I was surprised.....shocked in fact. And also about Cesar stating he loved Maria! Now THOSE are the twists and turns, for me!

I don't know if I would use the words "keeping the faith" because to me that sorta implies a personal belief in Christina, almost as if I know her and had the opinion she wouldn't be involved in a crime such as this. Quite the opposite, I've never seen her pic (of course not, LOL!), have heard little about her...I have no vested interest or concern in her guilt or innocence. But I do stand by my steadfast belief in the job being done by LE, who want desperately for the right person to be held accountable for Maria's murder. And I think they leave no stone unturned. That not only means very intense interrogation of Christina, but IMO also others that have known both her and Cesar....and could conceivably include some verified circumstantial evidence about her timeline which has proven to be correct.

To me it defies all logic that "we" (again, generic "we"....although I don't include myself of course) are right but the professionals down there who know EVERYTHING about this case, are wrong. It's far easier to believe that in fact Christina knew nothing about what Cesar did.

JD81

04-12-2008, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

:confused: [/*]

Does that charge apply to this case? Do you have a link to the NC statute?

Howiefan

04-12-2008, 12:13 PM

Howiefan
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quote:Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

The PIO is quoted in an email saying they had contact prior to her going to his house.

JMO [/*]

CK..could you please direct me to where I could read this for myself..not that i dont believe you.. I have missed this info..
thanks

no answer yet..does anyone know??????

Could someone direct me to where I can read this for myself.

Thanks

CANDYKISSES

04-12-2008, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by Howiefan

CK..could you please direct me to where I could read this for myself..not that i dont believe you.. I have missed this info.. :)
thanks [/*]

Sure, it's in the questions thread sent to the PIO Captain Sutherland....

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=325989&pagenumber=1

CANDYKISSES

04-12-2008, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by Howiefan
Howiefan
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Registered: Apr 2007
Location: Canada
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Saturday*4-12-08* a.m.

quote:Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

The PIO is quoted in an email saying they had contact prior to her going to his house.

JMO [/*]

CK..could you please direct me to where I could read this for myself..not that i dont believe you.. I have missed this info..
thanks

no answer yet..does anyone know??????

Could someone direct me to where I can read this for myself.

Thanks [/*]

I believe you posted on it too.
:)

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by henry
good morning . . . counting's not over yet :D can we agree that today is cesar's 2nd (full) day in custody?

according to this article, it may take 60 days for him to return to NC . . .

Hudson, the district attorney, agreed not to seek the death penalty against Laurean in order to win the cooperation of Mexico authorities, who refuse to send anyone back to the U.S. unless assured they will not face execution. Hudson said Friday that Mexican law requires an extradition process that will take at least 60 days to complete.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,350834,00.html

also in this article, again, it states that cesar forced maria to take the $ out on 12/14 and then killed her . . . are all news reports printing this error . . . or fact?

p.s. please please please . . . anyone else that wants to start the daily thread - please do so! [/*]

I found this link to the story about whether Maria was forced to take money from ATM.

"Details misreported" http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laurean_54751___article.html/lauterbach_weapon.html

imoo

Tacori

04-12-2008, 12:16 PM

"Residents here said Laurean lived in a three-room wood cabin with a corrugated metal roof where he slept on a bed of crushed cardboard boxes. On Friday, there was a notebook on the cabin's floor showing that he kept a diary of his daily exercise routine, including push-ups, sit-ups and crunches. There were two shelves filled with canned tuna, instant soup and candy."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/12/national/main4011112.shtml?source=related_story

Good morning, everyone!

:seeya:

caejde

04-12-2008, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by hinman
He is scared to death of what the military is going to do to him and their prison so I am satisfied with that. If the prison is so horrible there that he is begging for immunity then I say send him there.

How will that work any way? Will he go to a military prison? [/*]

I've visited someone in the brig before when i was stationed in Hawaii. Wasn't a bad place and the guy in there didn't seem to think it was bad. But he was in there because of drugs. Each base usually has a brig and they are put in there for different things. Leavenworth is for big things like murders and such. I'll have to see if I can find anything concrete.

hinman

04-12-2008, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

Oh my goodness, I can remember someone here posting away about how she hated him and he probably was abusive (with no evidence of such ever in their marriage), THAT SHE WOULD NEVER HAVE ANY CONTACT with him....oh the stories.

I'll bet they are shocked, huh?barf

I guess they didn't like fowl cryme.

Oh LORD.....won't you look at this?

Some have prematurely assumed that she is in the free and clear. JMO.... :eek:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/2724205/

JMO AND ALL THAT. [/*]Thanks for the link a minimum of 60 days before he will be back.

MC has to file before he brought back he can not have no additional charges once he is back.

I thouhgt that was the case. I kept asking I am so glad that got cleared up. So now we know there will be no more charges from LE on CL.

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by Kel65

Much more is a relative term, so I will stay away from specifically answering that question. I do think, if they had conclusive evidence that she was not involved, it would be helpful to mention something to that effect, if they truly want to lessen the rampant negative public perception regarding Christina. JMO [/*]

I think they said all that they CAN say, without boxing themselves in a corner. When Cesar is back, and interrogated more and the truth comes out, I am sure they will say Christina is cleared. Until then, unless she was out of town for a month after the murder, it would be foolish to say she is completely cleared. But in my opinion they all BUT totally cleared her with that PC yesterday, and on TH shows last night. It was very obvious to me that they believe her, and more than that, have much compassion and sympathy for her. I do not for one minute think that was a ruse.

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by JD81

That's interesting. Do you have a link? [/*]

It's in candy's post where you responded something about crows.

Upthread.

hinman

04-12-2008, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

I think they said all that they CAN say, without boxing themselves in a corner. When Cesar is back, and interrogated more and the truth comes out, I am sure they will say Christina is cleared. Until then, unless she was out of town for a month after the murder, it would be foolish to say she is completely cleared. But in my opinion they all BUT totally cleared her with that PC yesterday, and on TH shows last night. It was very obvious to me that they believe her, and more than that, have much compassion and sympathy for her. I do not for one minute think that was a ruse. [/*]I have to agree SS. I just do not think there will be charges unless something comes up.

I feel that they just have no evidence of her involvement or there would of been charges brought against her already. The things that she did can not be charged for according to them. She was involved but in a way that charges can not be brought.

Howiefan

04-12-2008, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

Sure, it's in the questions thread sent to the PIO Captain Sutherland....

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=325989&pagenumber=1 [/*]

thanks CK

5) Is there any evidence that shows contact between Laurean and Maria prior to Maria's arrival at the Laurean home? (I'm sure you can't answer this directly but the posters would just like a yes or no answer) Yes

Is this what you are referring to? I think it could be taken several ways... It does not mean she went there on her own.. Arrival mean just that getting there..it could also could mean as was stated in another link fro this morning that Cesar forced her to withdraw money at the ATM..that could have been the contact before arriving at the house..

jmo

CANDYKISSES

04-12-2008, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by JD81

Does that charge apply to this case? Do you have a link to the NC statute? [/*]

Again I have no idea what you are referring to here.

Are you the poster claiming the jury can decide to make the charge? I am seeking the information that poster had yesterday showing the jury can make a finding or charge without the DA bringing the charge forth.

I am not citing law in NC, but I have a genuine interest in seeing how a jury can decide to make a charge on their own as I haven't seen it before. I have only seen a GJ and or a DA bring charges and a jury rule on them IMO.

Do you understand what I am looking for now? If not, I will go search for the post from yesterday so you can understand what I am questioning.

jmo:read:

Kel65

04-12-2008, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

I think they said all that they CAN say, without boxing themselves in a corner. When Cesar is back, and interrogated more and the truth comes out, I am sure they will say Christina is cleared. Until then, unless she was out of town for a month after the murder, it would be foolish to say she is completely cleared. But in my opinion they all BUT totally cleared her with that PC yesterday, and on TH shows last night. It was very obvious to me that they believe her, and more than that, have much compassion and sympathy for her. I do not for one minute think that was a ruse. [/*]

IIRC, based on the WRAL link above that Candy provided DA Hudson said something about not all of the emails, in reference to the communications between Christina and Cesar while he was on the LAM, have been presented to him and if there is somthing in those emails that indicates that she did in fact help Cesar that won't be good for Christina. Paraphrasing of course. So, I don't think that they have all BUT totally cleared her. JMO.

Howiefan

04-12-2008, 12:29 PM

CANDYKISSES

04-12-2008, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by hinman
Thanks for the link a minimum of 60 days before he will be back.

MC has to file before he brought back he can not have no additional charges once he is back.

I thouhgt that was the case. I kept asking I am so glad that got cleared up. So now we know there will be no more charges from LE on CL. [/*]

This was after the PC and I don't think he sounded so positive at all ABOUT CHRISTINA....not at all....

Maybe they fear a Melinda Duckett after reading the diary and are handling her with kid gloves as they wait to get any additional stories and check them out.

Suicide would be a very bad thing for this case IMO. :(

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by Howiefan

thanks CK

5) Is there any evidence that shows contact between Laurean and Maria prior to Maria's arrival at the Laurean home? (I'm sure you can't answer this directly but the posters would just like a yes or no answer) Yes

Is this what you are referring to? I think it could be taken several ways... It does not mean she went there on her own.. Arrival mean just that getting there..it could also could mean as was stated in another link fro this morning that Cesar forced her to withdraw money at the ATM..that could have been the contact before arriving at the house..

jmo [/*]

Read the above link I just put up from JDN. It is about whether he forced Maria to take money from the ATM machine.

imoo

bkwits

04-12-2008, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Oh gosh yes, I was surprised.....shocked in fact. And also about Cesar stating he loved Maria! Now THOSE are the twists and turns, for me!

I don't know if I would use the words "keeping the faith" because to me that sorta implies a personal belief in Christina, almost as if I know her and had the opinion she wouldn't be involved in a crime such as this. Quite the opposite, I've never seen her pic (of course not, LOL!), have heard little about her...I have no vested interest or concern in her guilt or innocence. But I do stand by my steadfast belief in the job being done by LE, who want desperately for the right person to be held accountable for Maria's murder. And I think they leave no stone unturned. That not only means very intense interrogation of Christina, but IMO also others that have known both her and Cesar....and could conceivably include some verified circumstantial evidence about her timeline which has proven to be correct.

To me it defies all logic that "we" (again, generic "we"....although I don't include myself of course) are right but the professionals down there who know EVERYTHING about this case, are wrong. It's far easier to believe that in fact Christina knew nothing about what Cesar did. [/*]

Sorry Savannah, that was probably not the best choice of words on my part. I meant you stood by your opinion and belief in that opinion when the majority was either very much in disagreement or just undecided (which was me until lately). I admire you for that. :rose:

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by Kel65

IIRC, based on the WRAL link above that Candy provided DA Hudson said something about not all of the emails, in reference to the communications between Christina and Cesar while he was on the LAM, have been presented to him and if there is somthing in those emails that indicates that she did in fact help Cesar that won't be good for Christina. Paraphrasing of course. So, I don't think that they have all BUT totally cleared her. JMO. [/*]

Well I do so we can agree to disagree. I think they got the "drift" in what emails (and her diary) that they have already read. I seriously doubt that what they have NOT as yet read will contain anything so shocking, so opposite, to what they already know. But....we'll see, huh?

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by Howiefan

that was way back then..which article is correct?
jmo [/*]

Since the information came out and all the press ran with it early on before this date and this article is where they quash the misinformation on Jan 31st, iiic.......then the JDN site with the correction or redaction is the correct one imo.

I think the others are just running with what they had on file earlier on.

moo

martha

04-12-2008, 12:35 PM

MaryB

04-12-2008, 12:36 PM

http://books.google.com/books?id=HD9CAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA719&lpg=PA719&dq=what+sentence+would+a+soldier+get+for+desertion +during+time+of+war&source=web&ots=-QBtigPUbG&sig=-PuzJvIS8bcLsPHqEVKphjz5Su8&hl=en

Is CL still a member of our armed forces?

bkwits

04-12-2008, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by Howiefan

thanks CK

5) Is there any evidence that shows contact between Laurean and Maria prior to Maria's arrival at the Laurean home? (I'm sure you can't answer this directly but the posters would just like a yes or no answer) Yes

Is this what you are referring to? I think it could be taken several ways... It does not mean she went there on her own.. Arrival mean just that getting there..it could also could mean as was stated in another link fro this morning that Cesar forced her to withdraw money at the ATM..that could have been the contact before arriving at the house..

jmo [/*]

That was a question that I posed to Capt. Cutie. It was either my words or henry's paraphrasing, so it wasn't LE's term.

CANDYKISSES

04-12-2008, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by Howiefan

thanks CK

5) Is there any evidence that shows contact between Laurean and Maria prior to Maria's arrival at the Laurean home? (I'm sure you can't answer this directly but the posters would just like a yes or no answer) Yes

Is this what you are referring to? I think it could be taken several ways... It does not mean she went there on her own.. Arrival mean just that getting there..it could also could mean as was stated in another link fro this morning that Cesar forced her to withdraw money at the ATM..that could have been the contact before arriving at the house..

jmo [/*]

I have theorized that this is why there was no kidnapping charge and probably the only reason he would even answer that question. I think someone from LE referred to her driving her car there, maybe RS. I will leave that as an opinion at this time since I'm on my way out but will check it later this afternoon.

JMO.

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

Sorry Savannah, that was probably not the best choice of words on my part. I meant you stood by your opinion and belief in that opinion when the majority was either very much in disagreement or just undecided (which was me until lately). I admire you for that. :rose: [/*]

Thanks, bkwits! :seeya:

Mimi428

04-12-2008, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by hinman
Thanks for the link a minimum of 60 days before he will be back.
[/*]

<snipped>

60 days in a MX jail. Surely they will allow him to have paper & pencil so he can continue to keep a record of his PT schedule. <sarcasm intended>

Too bad his family is no longer prohibited from sending him money.

I can't think of any reasons, good, bad or otherwise why MX would really want to keep him OR want him to attempt an 'escape', which is all the better for him. I don't imagine he will be too much worse for wear by the time he gets back to the US.

JMO

Howiefan

04-12-2008, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

That was a question that I posed to Capt. Cutie. It was either my words or henry's paraphrasing, so it wasn't LE's term. [/*]
thanks bwits..what did you mean exactly in that question.. if you don`t mind me asking..and do you agree that it could be interpreted in different ways

Kel65

04-12-2008, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by Janz

While this is true about a diary being written to oneslelf, why did LE sieze the diary? [/*]

Probably because it was there.

Maybe it was suggested to her by her attorney to keep one or maybe she had hopes of it being found and that what she wrote would be taken fact. Who knows?

The diary just seems like more convenient breadcrumbs. JMO

JD81

04-12-2008, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

Again I have no idea what you are referring to here.

Are you the poster claiming the jury can decide to make the charge? I am seeking the information that poster had yesterday showing the jury can make a finding or charge without the DA bringing the charge forth.

I am not citing law in NC, but I have a genuine interest in seeing how a jury can decide to make a charge on their own as I haven't seen it before. I have only seen a GJ and or a DA bring charges and a jury rule on them IMO.

Do you understand what I am looking for now? If not, I will go search for the post from yesterday so you can understand what I am questioning.

jmo:read: [/*]

If there is no such statute in NC regarding desecration of a body, that is why it is not charged.

Now I am simply asking you since you brought it up, if there is a statute in NC for that charge and how it applies to this case? jmo

I think you are mistaken about anyone saying jurys make up charges. jmo

Howiefan

04-12-2008, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

I have theorized that this is why there was no kidnapping charge and probably the only reason he would even answer that question. I think someone from LE referred to her driving her car there, maybe RS. I will leave that as an opinion at this time since I'm on my way out but will check it later this afternoon.

JMO. [/*]

thanks CK appreciate it...Have a good day will check back later

court~critic1®

04-12-2008, 12:45 PM

I recently saw a "First 48" show in which the LE did not bring charges against a person because they had given them just a nickname of a person. the first one helped cover up evidence and helped dispose of the body. They wanted the person that did the actually killing more. So no charges were brought forth. I believe this is what is happening with christina. If I am wrong, then I am wrong. We may never really know the truth about her. imhoo

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by court~critic1®
I recently saw a "First 48" show in which the LE did not bring charges against a person because they had given them just a nickname of a person. the first one helped cover up evidence and helped dispose of the body. They wanted the person that did the actually killing more. So no charges were brought forth. I believe this is what is happening with christina. If I am wrong, then I am wrong. We may never really know the truth about her. imhoo [/*]

Well, many on here share your opinion, cc.

I do think we'll hear the truth, in the end. I certainly hope so. Otherwise I dread reading all the posts, when all is said and done, "well she got away with it." I do want her to be completely cleared, publically, and I do foresee that happening in the future.

strick10

04-12-2008, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by MaryB
http://books.google.com/books?id=HD9CAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA719&lpg=PA719&dq=what+sentence+would+a+soldier+get+for+desertion +during+time+of+war&source=web&ots=-QBtigPUbG&sig=-PuzJvIS8bcLsPHqEVKphjz5Su8&hl=en

Is CL still a member of our armed forces? [/*]

Technically he is until he is brought back and the MC decides what to do. My guess a BCD.

Howiefan

04-12-2008, 12:51 PM

not sure if you saw this bwits.. If you have time could you please elaborate

Howiefan
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quote:Originally posted by bkwits

That was a question that I posed to Capt. Cutie. It was either my words or henry's paraphrasing, so it wasn't LE's term. [/*]

thanks bwits..what did you mean exactly in that question.. if you don`t mind me asking..and do you agree that it could be interpreted in different ways

Tacori

04-12-2008, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Kel65

Probably because it was there.

Maybe it was suggested to her by her attorney to keep one or maybe she had hopes of it being found and that what she wrote would be taken fact. Who knows?

The diary just seems like more convenient breadcrumbs. JMO [/*]

From the article linked earlier...Sounds like she just gave it to them? They only had a SW for the computer?

Hudson described Laurean's wife's state of mind as "Torn.

"When we seized her sister's computer, she also turned over to us her journal that she had been writing since the day that he left America. And if you read the journal, you will certainly realize that she's a very torn lady.

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Tacori

From the article linked earlier...Sounds like she just gave it to them? They only had a SW for the computer?

Hudson described Laurean's wife's state of mind as "Torn.

"When we seized her sister's computer, she also turned over to us her journal that she had been writing since the day that he left America. And if you read the journal, you will certainly realize that she's a very torn lady. [/*]

Thank you. Not seized.

Taylor&Hunter

04-12-2008, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Marcia3

Welcome home, H&T!
*snip*

Glad to see you here again. How are you feeling these days?

:seeya: [/*]

Hi Marcia3! I am feeling really good! Thank you for asking and the warm welcome back. :)

For those of you that remember me, I found out I was pg a little after CAL fled to Mexico. I get to find out if it's boy/girl on June 3rd!!! This is #3 for me and I have 2 girls already so we'll see if it's a trifecta or if I get blessed with a little stud muffin! FTR, his name will not be Cesar! :chicken:

Mimi428

04-12-2008, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Well, many on here share your opinion, cc.

I do think we'll hear the truth, in the end. I certainly hope so. Otherwise I dread reading all the posts, when all is said and done, "well she got away with it." I do want her to be completely cleared, publically, and I do foresee that happening in the future. [/*]

I don't watch Greta VS, but on last night's thread, other posters indicated that Hudson was on her show & made it pretty clear that he really does NOT think she was involved.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=328778&perpage=40&pagenumber=14

JD81
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Did anyone see DA Hudson on Greta? He is confident Christina did not know anything about the murder or what he did with the body. He said her diary revealed she was thinking about suicide in January but didn't because of her child. How sad.

court~critic1®

04-12-2008, 12:56 PM

alter ego

04-12-2008, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Well, many on here share your opinion, cc.

I do think we'll hear the truth, in the end. I certainly hope so. Otherwise I dread reading all the posts, when all is said and done, "well she got away with it." I do want her to be completely cleared, publically, and I do foresee that happening in the future. [/*]Well I always thought she had to have some knowlege, if not directly involved herself, but then LE seemed to have cleared her.

Then they said 'it's possible' she didn't know and that 'stranger things have happened'...

so now, I'm back to thinking that maybe her hands aren't so clean afterall.

I am curious what Cesar will confirm to LE in regards to what Christina has told them after he publically declared his love for Maria.

Taylor&Hunter

04-12-2008, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

I don't think anyone can just write what they want to without worry and it be hunkie doorie..........we have seen writings come back to haunt the ones who wrote the words.

imoo [/*]

Oh yeah...if she were to write in there that she killed ML, how she did it, details, etc. then that would be worth having. Even if it's just other details that fill in ANY questions LE should have, it's worth having. No, maybe they wouldn't be able to use it in a trial but they could use it to know the facts and use them against her and also to fill in gaps in stories/theories/timelines. If I were a part of LE, I would have seized that puppy too. The real question is why wouldn't they? Part of me thinks the diary won't have anything condemning in it because she could have purposely written that to cover her tail further. I've always stood behind CSL but now I'm kind of on the fence waiting to see what CAL has to say about it all. I hope, hope, hope that man is a TALKER!!

Miss Behavin

04-12-2008, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

Oh my goodness, I can remember someone here posting away about how she hated him and he probably was abusive (with no evidence of such ever in their marriage), THAT SHE WOULD NEVER HAVE ANY CONTACT with him....oh the stories.

I'll bet they are shocked, huh?barf

I guess they didn't like fowl cryme.

Oh LORD.....won't you look at this?

Some have prematurely assumed that she is in the free and clear. JMO.... :eek:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/2724205/

JMO AND ALL THAT. [/*]

BINGO! DA says himself she could still be charged with a crime if, after HE reviews the evidence, she is deemed to have done something wrong. Also, I just heard on a CNN interview DA said she is torn.....torn between what occured and the love for her husband.

bkwits

04-12-2008, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by Howiefan

thanks bwits..what did you mean exactly in that question.. if you don`t mind me asking..and do you agree that it could be interpreted in different ways [/*]

I asked the question because I had caught something Sheriff Ed said earlier about contact being made that day. I could not find the link and no one else seemed to remember it. I know that Capt Cutie said he would only give info that had already been put out by LE. So I asked about that.

I don't know what to make of it. I just never believed, as some posters seemed to, that Maria just showed up unannounced at the L house. I think CL either lured her there or forced her to go there. I don't believe that she was there twice, as CL stated in his note. IMO

JD81

04-12-2008, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
Well I always thought she had to have some knowlege, if not directly involved herself, but then LE seemed to have cleared her.

Then they said 'it's possible' she didn't know and that 'stranger things have happened'...

so now, I'm back to thinking that maybe her hands aren't so clean afterall.

I am curious what Cesar will confirm to LE in regards to what Christina has told them after he publically declared his love for Maria. [/*]

I wouldn't be surprised if the coward would try to throw Christina under the bus.

I hope he waives extradition, comes back and confesses to the truth of what he did. I don't think he will have much choice when the evidence is shown to him.

jmo

JD81

04-12-2008, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Miss Behavin

BINGO! DA says himself she could still be charged with a crime if, after HE reviews the evidence, she is deemed to have done something wrong. Also, I just heard on a CNN interview DA said she is torn.....torn between what occured and the love for her husband. [/*]

Are you referring to the emails the DA has still to review and those possible charges?

That has nothing to do with the murder, cover-up the DA has said she is NOT involved in. paraphrasing his words.

The emails are the last thing being looked at in reference to Christina. I don't think we will see any charges there either. jmo

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by martha
hi please clean out your pm ha sounds like me don;t it? :rose: [/*]

:D I am guilty of it too, Martha!

I am sorry I didn't see your post until now...........

trying to get lunch ready.........

ok, consider it done......

:seeya:

alter ego

04-12-2008, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by JD81

I wouldn't be surprised if the coward would try to throw Christina under the bus.

I hope he waives extradition, comes back and confesses to the truth of what he did. I don't think he will have much choice when the evidence is shown to him.

jmo [/*]It could become a saga of 'he said' 'she said', that's for sure. Right now we just have what she said.

He did say 'proof' in response to a question by a reporter - maybe he will give up the ghost and plead out when presented with that proof.

Howiefan

04-12-2008, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

I asked the question because I had caught something Sheriff Ed said earlier about contact being made that day. I could not find the link and no one else seemed to remember it. I know that Capt Cutie said he would only give info that had already been put out by LE. So I asked about that.

I don't know what to make of it. I just never believed, as some posters seemed to, that Maria just showed up unannounced at the L house. I think CL either lured her there or forced her to go there. I don't believe that she was there twice, as CL stated in his note. IMO [/*]

we agree..but other posters are thinking it meant something else and did you see in the article foxnews.. that apparently Maria was forced to withdraw money on the 14th (henry`s first post of today)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,35
0834,00.html

and then GB posted this link which is an old one
http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laur...ach_weapon.html

which one to believe..:shrug:

JD81

04-12-2008, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
It could become a saga of 'he said' 'she said', that's for sure. Right now we just have what she said.

He did say 'proof' in response to a question by a reporter - maybe he will give up the ghost and plead out when presented with that proof. [/*]

I'm glad the DA said no deals. He will have to plead to what he is charged with now.
Here is hoping. jmo

henry

04-12-2008, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

I found this link to the story about whether Maria was forced to take money from ATM.

"Details misreported" http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laurean_54751___article.html/lauterbach_weapon.html

imoo [/*]

thank you very much GB . . . got it straight now . . . also forgot about this, also in this article:

That money has not been recovered, and investigators believe Laurean robbed her dead body of the cash. That is where the robbery with a dangerous weapon charge and subsequent indictment stems from, authorities said.

i also found it quite interesting that cesar's more scared of the MC . . . great! they now know one weakness/soft spot :patriot: to exploit when questioning him.

edit: hfan . . . i'd believe jdnews over the ap wire stories - i think they're pulling from old stories . . . but the laureans' are $700 richer because of this withdrawal

JD81

04-12-2008, 01:26 PM

Kel65

04-12-2008, 01:27 PM

JD81

04-12-2008, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by JD81

If there is no such statute in NC regarding desecration of a body, that is why it is not charged.

Now I am simply asking you since you brought it up, if there is a statute in NC for that charge and how it applies to this case? jmo

I think you are mistaken about anyone saying jurys make up charges. jmo [/*]

:shrug: tick tock

bkwits

04-12-2008, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Howiefan

we agree..but other posters are thinking it meant something else and did you see in the article foxnews.. that apparently Maria was forced to withdraw money on the 14th (henry`s first post of today)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,35
0834,00.html

and then GB posted this link which is an old one
http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laur...ach_weapon.html

which one to believe..:shrug: [/*]

I'll tell you that I don't know. I just don't know. She does look scared and nervous at the ATM. I felt that in the beginning. Maybe something happened after she spoke to her Mom (at about 2:30 and later to Dan D.) She showed up at the ATM at 4:20 pm. IMO

I now remember the reason I asked about the contact on 12/14. Sheriff * had said there had been contact between Maria and Cesar prior to her death. Some posters took that to mean that they had an ongoing relationship. Sheriff *, when asked, said it started on 12/14. IMO

Pinetree

04-12-2008, 01:30 PM

So....Christina GAVE her journal to LE? Why? So they can report on her "woe is me" status? Her being "torn" over the love she has for Cesar and the anger and hurt over being betrayed? What about her disgust and horror over him killing Maria and the baby?? Her horror over enjoying a BBQ over their burned bodies?? Was any of that in the journal??

Is Christina the "Amber Frey" of this crime? I wonder if Gloria has contacted her? :shrug:

Howiefan

04-12-2008, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by henry

thank you very much GB . . . got it straight now . . . also forgot about this, also in this article:

That money has not been recovered, and investigators believe Laurean robbed her dead body of the cash. That is where the robbery with a dangerous weapon charge and subsequent indictment stems from, authorities said.

i also found it quite interesting that cesar's more scared of the MC . . . great! they now know one weakness/soft spot :patriot: to exploit when questioning him.

edit: hfan . . . i'd believe jdnews over the ap wire stories - i think they're pulling from old stories . . . but the laureans' are $700 richer because of this withdrawal [/*]
sorry henry..:) I am totally confused.. which one is reporting incorrectly GB`s link is from Jan 31... the link you posted today is from foxnews dated yesterday or today no??? am I going bonkers hammer

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by henry

thank you very much GB . . . got it straight now . . . also forgot about this, also in this article:

That money has not been recovered, and investigators believe Laurean robbed her dead body of the cash. That is where the robbery with a dangerous weapon charge and subsequent indictment stems from, authorities said.

i also found it quite interesting that cesar's more scared of the MC . . . great! they now know one weakness/soft spot :patriot: to exploit when questioning him. [/*]

Your more than welcome, Henry and we have to remember after the misinformation was corrected not one thing has been said by LE to back away from what they said once they corrected it.

I noticed when this case first began many of the articles coming out of Jacksonville Daily News was shotgunned all over the country in the local and national medias.

Of course since JDNs was the first to report the error Sutherland went straight to the horse's mouth to get it straightened out.

It just makes good commonsense imo. There have been no charges whatsoever pertaining to Lauren forcing Maria to do anything.

imoo:seeya:

bkwits

04-12-2008, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Your more than welcome, Henry and we have to remember after the misinformation was corrected not one thing has been said by LE to back away from what they said once they corrected it.

I noticed when this case first began many of the articles coming out of Jacksonville Daily News was shotgunned all over the country in the local and national medias.

Of course since JDNs was the first to report the error Sutherland went straight to the horse's mouth to get it straightened out.

It just makes good commonsense imo. There have been no charges whatsoever pertaining to Lauren forcing Maria to do anything.

imoo:seeya: [/*]

No charges other than forcing her into the grave, you mean?:confused:

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by Pinetree
So....Christina GAVE her journal to LE? Why? So they can report on her "woe is me" status? Her being "torn" over the love she has for Cesar and the anger and hurt over being betrayed? What about her disgust and horror over him killing Maria and the baby?? Her horror over enjoying a BBQ over their burned bodies?? Was any of that in the journal??

Is Christina the "Amber Frey" of this crime? I wonder if Gloria has contacted her? :shrug: [/*]

Isn't that so strange?

And of course like another poster said..........anyone can write anything they want in a diary.:shrug:

imoo

Mimi428

04-12-2008, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by henry

i also found it quite interesting that cesar's more scared of the MC . . . great! they now know one weakness/soft spot :patriot: to exploit when questioning him. [/*]

<snipped>

Today, I'm ready for LE investigators (MX, NC, NCIS, FBI, whatever) to pick up a crowbar, tire iron or whatever it is they believe Maria was killed with, sit Cesar down & question him. Not hit him, but just hold the weapon in hand while they question him.

"OK, Cesar, let's talk about Maria being in your garage..."

I do believe the same brown eyes with long, long eyelashes - the eyes that were most likely the LAST LIVING THING Maria saw - would cry real tears.

JMO

Kel65

04-12-2008, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Isn't that so strange?

And of course like another poster said..........anyone can write anything they want in a diary.:shrug:

imoo [/*]

It seems she realizes the power of the pen.

Makes me wonder who really authored the notes that were turned over to the Sheriffs office or the note that Maria left at DD's house.

JMO

Miss Behavin

04-12-2008, 01:40 PM

It will be months before CL is even back in the states - possibly years if he fights it. It will be years before we hear all that transpired before, during and after Maria's murder, and then I'm not convinced it will all come out even then.

Too many questions in my mind that don't add up or make any sense - with all the people involved. It truly is a tragedy and I feel badly for the victim's family.

JD81

04-12-2008, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Isn't that so strange?

And of course like another poster said..........anyone can write anything they want in a diary.:shrug:

imoo [/*]

First the diary was "seized" and many posters rejoiced on this board that Christina would soon be arrested. LE grabbed it along with the computer to prove she has committed a crime of some sort. I'll never forget the board that night.

Now, since that didn't happen, and she gave it to them, it means nothing. She somehow knew they were coming with the search warrant and so made everything up in the diary.

That in a nut shell is what is strange.

jmo

henry

04-12-2008, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by Howiefan

sorry henry..:) I am totally confused.. which one is reporting incorrectly GB`s link is from Jan 31... the link you posted today is from foxnews dated yesterday or today no??? am I going bonkers hammer [/*]

going bonkers in a good way i hope :) - with the rest of us . . . i think they all (including fox news) pull "old/incorrect facts" from the ap wire . . . or each news source never corrected this info . . . so, in LE's mind, maria withdrew it under no duress or pressure . . . of course, like everything else, subject to change (stc - hah! new acronym i've seen alot) and once cesar comes slithering back . . . hope he's got some honest facts he's spilling to mexican authorities.

i also asked before . . . i though ncis was also down in mexico - wonder if they're involved in the questioning - hope so!

lilCanuck

04-12-2008, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by Kel65

He may not be the most eloquent public speaker, but than neither am I.

I think he is a pretty stand up guy too. JMO [/*]

Gotta agree, a fine public servant.

JD81

04-12-2008, 01:45 PM

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Mimi428

<snipped>

Today, I'm ready for LE investigators (MX, NC, NCIS, FBI, whatever) to pick up a crowbar, tire iron or whatever it is they believe Maria was killed with, sit Cesar down & question him. Not hit him, but just hold the weapon in hand while they question him.

"OK, Cesar, let's talk about Maria being in your garage..."

I do believe the same brown eyes with long, long eyelashes - the eyes that were most likely the LAST LIVING THING Maria saw - would cry real tears.

JMO [/*]

Oh I don't think they will go with the drama kind of interrogation. I think much more can be gleaned by a calm demeanor, one on one. Honey beats vinegar any day imo. They arent stupid..they know that if they try to come on tough......he will just stop talking.

I think Sheriff Brown is the perfect one to sit down and interrogate CAL.

But CAL cannot be compelled to talk with them anyway but if he does I think his lawyer will try to set it up between CAL and SB.

From what I have heard in the media he has already had tears in his eyes.:shrug:

imoo

Amy S.

04-12-2008, 01:46 PM

I just heard on CNN that it may take 60 days to return Cesar to the states.

Actually, that will be good, because the Mexican jails are no picnic.

I have done a full 360 on Christina's involvement. At first, I thought she couldn't have possibly have known anything. I am now leaning towards her being the catalyst in this. But, that is only because I have read about so much violence being performed by people that you wouldn't think would do anything like what they did. Nothing surprises me anymore.

bkwits

04-12-2008, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by henry

going bonkers in a good way i hope :) - with the rest of us . . . i think they all (including fox news) pull "old/incorrect facts" from the ap wire . . . or each news source never corrected this info . . . so, in LE's mind, maria withdrew it under no duress or pressure . . . of course, like everything else, subject to change (stc - hah! new acronym i've seen alot) and once cesar comes slithering back . . . hope he's got some honest facts he's spilling to mexican authorities.

i also asked before . . . i though ncis was also down in mexico - wonder if they're involved in the questioning - hope so! [/*]

Hi henry

Know what is puzzling me? AMW posted that updated pic of what Cesar might look like now, and it looked almost exactly like him. Did they know?

AlohaRainbow

04-12-2008, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

*snip*
To me it defies all logic that "we" (again, generic "we"....although I don't include myself of course) are right but the professionals down there who know EVERYTHING about this case, are wrong. It's far easier to believe that in fact Christina knew nothing about what Cesar did. [/*]
but how can they know everything about this case when they haven't yet interviewed/interrogated cesar?

what they know is large part is what christina has told them.

athy

04-12-2008, 01:50 PM

i have a feeling her lawyer told her in the beginning to keep a running diary of the goings on with her during the time CL was gone as proof of her "not" being involved at least in helping him while he was gone.

Kel65

04-12-2008, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by JD81

First the diary was "seized" and many posters rejoiced on this board that Christina would soon be arrested. LE grabbed it along with the computer to prove she has committed a crime of some sort. I'll never forget the board that night.

Now, since that didn't happen, and she gave it to them, it means nothing. She somehow knew they were coming with the search warrant and so made everything up in the diary.

That in a nut shell is what is strange.

jmo [/*]

I do think that she had a purpose in writing the diary and that was to help depict herself as a victim. Unfortunately for her, she probably didn't realize that some narcassism filtered through what she wrote and gave more fuel for the widespread negative public perception of her. JMO

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by JD81

First the diary was "seized" and many posters rejoiced on this board that Christina would soon be arrested. LE grabbed it along with the computer to prove she has committed a crime of some sort. I'll never forget the board that night.

Now, since that didn't happen, and she gave it to them, it means nothing. She somehow knew they were coming with the search warrant and so made everything up in the diary.

That in a nut shell is what is strange.

jmo [/*]

What posters said that the diaries proved she committed a crime?:confused:

All we heard about the diaries was she loves her husband and was still angry with him for cheating on her.

I don't recall anyone saying the diaries mean nothing......I think they do mean something but what that is wont be known until the writings are revealed.

imo

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Isn't that so strange?

And of course like another poster said..........anyone can write anything they want in a diary.:shrug:

imoo [/*]

Well first it was they "seized" it, now "she turned it over." She's damned if they seized it, damned if she turned it over. Some posters twist whatever is said to suit their agenda, IMO.

(Nothing personal against you, GB, you know that. But I have noticed, whatever it is concerning Christina, it's skewed to "fit." :D )

n/t

04-12-2008, 01:53 PM

henry

04-12-2008, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

Hi henry

Know what is puzzling me? AMW posted that updated pic of what Cesar might look like now, and it looked almost exactly like him. Did they know? [/*]

nothing would surprise me on this one . . . remember swc's (iirc) pictures in the beginning . . . and i think sami's . . . i think those went over to amw. i just wish there was one source for accurate information (not saying the links thread isn't helpful) and how do i get out of this one gracefully . . . i know! the videos hold the most credibility for me - no reporter's slant/regurgitation/embellishment of what's what. this is, imo, one case that is so difficult to sort out fact from fiction and then put it together in one package.

hinman

04-12-2008, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Well first it was they "seized" it, now "she turned it over." She's damned if they seized it, damned if she turned it over. Some posters twist whatever is said to suit their agenda, IMO.

(Nothing personal against you, GB, you know that. But I have noticed, whatever it is concerning Christina, it's skewed to "fit." :D ) [/*]I am not sure I even no what the big deal is concerning the diary.

There is no evidence in it is there? Besides her state of mind. In my opinion she probably kept the diary because her whole life changed the day Cl left town. It was probably her way of dealing with all her different feelings concerning the case. I don't really see an agenda in keeping the diary. I could be wrong though.

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Mimi428

I don't watch Greta VS, but on last night's thread, other posters indicated that Hudson was on her show & made it pretty clear that he really does NOT think she was involved.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=328778&perpage=40&pagenumber=14

JD81
Member

Registered: Apr 2008
Location: Kansas
Posts: 132
Did anyone see DA Hudson on Greta? He is confident Christina did not know anything about the murder or what he did with the body. He said her diary revealed she was thinking about suicide in January but didn't because of her child. How sad. [/*]

.......and with Captain Sutherland and DA Hudson standing right there yesterday, Chris Welch told the media that Christina HAD NEVER BEEN A SUSPECT. :D

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by AlohaRainbow

but how can they know everything about this case when they haven't yet interviewed/interrogated cesar?

what they know is large part is what christina has told them. [/*]

I think that whatever she has told him has been verified in one way or the other, at least most of it. The word "evidence" WAS used in the PC yesterday, and I don't think that meant what she said, alone. Paraphrased: "We have NO EVIDENCE that she was involved in the murder or cover-up." So....perhaps there is some exonerating evidence we know nothing about. That, too, was touched on....stuff we don't know, but they do.

n/t

04-12-2008, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Oh I don't think they will go with the drama kind of interrogation. I think much more can be gleaned by a calm demeanor, one on one. Honey beats vinegar any day imo. They arent stupid..they know that if they try to come on tough......he will just stop talking.

I think Sheriff Brown is the perfect one to sit down and interrogate CAL.

But CAL cannot be compelled to talk with them anyway but if he does I think his lawyer will try to set it up between CAL and SB.

From what I have heard in the media he has already had tears in his eyes.:shrug:

imoo [/*]

Yeah cuz he got caught and he wants his mommy. :lol:

Miss Behavin

04-12-2008, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by hinman
I am not sure I even no what the big deal is concerning the diary.

There is no evidence in it is there? Besides her state of mind. In my opinion she probably kept the diary because her whole life changed the day Cl left town. It was probably her way of dealing with all her different feelings concerning the case. I don't really see an agenda in keeping the diary. I could be wrong though. [/*]

Does anybody know if Maria kept a journal of any kind? Has that ever been determined?

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

.......and with Captain Sutherland and DA Hudson standing right there yesterday, Chris Welch told the media that Christina HAD NEVER BEEN A SUSPECT. :D [/*]

Of course he said that. And it would hardly be in the best interests of the investigation for Sutherland or Hudson to publicly contradict him, imo.

hinman

04-12-2008, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by Miss Behavin

Does anybody know if Maria kept a journal of any kind? Has that ever been determined? [/*]That is a good question Miss Behavin.

I don't know the answer though.

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by Mimi428

<snipped>

Today, I'm ready for LE investigators (MX, NC, NCIS, FBI, whatever) to pick up a crowbar, tire iron or whatever it is they believe Maria was killed with, sit Cesar down & question him. Not hit him, but just hold the weapon in hand while they question him.

"OK, Cesar, let's talk about Maria being in your garage..."

I do believe the same brown eyes with long, long eyelashes - the eyes that were most likely the LAST LIVING THING Maria saw - would cry real tears.

JMO [/*]

You talking about them kind, sensitive eyes.....lol??? I don't want anyone to lay a finger on him, I just want him tossed in a cage and kept isolated for the 60 days and then shipped back here, where he will be accorded all his criminal rights.

In the meantime, I hope the DA builds a stellar rock solid case against this little woman/baby killer with his wife as the star witness against him.

:patriot:

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Well first it was they "seized" it, now "she turned it over." She's damned if they seized it, damned if she turned it over. Some posters twist whatever is said to suit their agenda, IMO.

(Nothing personal against you, GB, you know that. But I have noticed, whatever it is concerning Christina, it's skewed to "fit." :D ) [/*]

Yeah I know what you mean sort of like that thingy that all killers are psychopaths.:D Just kidding.

Oh now that it wasn't seized I do find it a little strange that when the FBI comes for the raid she says "oh, take this too" lol

Now....hmmmmmmmmmmm it sure would be interesting to know who has possession of the diaries. After all they belong to Christina and surely have been returned to her along with the letters she had prepared for her hubby, don't you think?

imoo

Kel65

04-12-2008, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

.......and with Captain Sutherland and DA Hudson standing right there yesterday, Chris Welch told the media that Christina HAD NEVER BEEN A SUSPECT. :D [/*]

I know that I am not going to automatically believe what Welch said. Paraphrasing here . . . IIRC, he also said the UMSC forbid Christina from talking to anyone other than LE in reference to this tragedy. The USMC is saying they only adivsed her. Not quite the same to me. The way Welch spoke, he led the public to believe there was a written, official gag order issued to Chistina by the USMC. I doubt the USMC would issue a gag order based on an advisement. Specuating and JMO

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Of course he said that. And it would hardly be in the best interests of the investigation for Sutherland or Hudson to publicly contradict him, imo. [/*]

It was the DA's and LE's press conference, if they did not believe in what Chris Welch was saying, he would not have been there in the first place. IMO. Sutherland and Hudson both went out of their way to praise and defend Christina.

bkwits

04-12-2008, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Yeah cuz he got caught and he wants his mommy. :lol: [/*]:biggrin:

Kel65

04-12-2008, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

It was the DA's and LE's press conference, if they did not believe in what Chris Welch was saying, he would not have been there in the first place. IMO. Sutherland and Hudson both went out of their way to praise and defend Christina. [/*]

Yea, went way over the top IMO. Seems like they are stroking her. HMMMMM? JMO.

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Amy S.
I just heard on CNN that it may take 60 days to return Cesar to the states.

Actually, that will be good, because the Mexican jails are no picnic.

I have done a full 360 on Christina's involvement. At first, I thought she couldn't have possibly have known anything. I am now leaning towards her being the catalyst in this. But, that is only because I have read about so much violence being performed by people that you wouldn't think would do anything like what they did. Nothing surprises me anymore. [/*]

I haven't even had the tv on today. So he is not fighting extradition and the 60 days is just customary?

thanks.

imoo

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Yeah cuz he got caught and he wants his mommy. :lol: [/*]

I am sure he does.

He may have been close to his parents like Maria was to hers.

imoo

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by Kel65

I do think that she had a purpose in writing the diary and that was to help depict herself as a victim. Unfortunately for her, she probably didn't realize that some narcassism filtered through what she wrote and gave more fuel for the widespread negative public perception of her. JMO [/*]

IIRC, there are media reports (from yesterday) that said the diary was "seized", but be that as it may....

So I guess she neglected to tell them about corresponding with Cesar - a wanted fugitive - LE gets a tip that results in a search warrant, but she makes up for that by handing over her diary?

Miss Behavin

04-12-2008, 02:10 PM

I'm also curious to know - If Maria and CL were "friendly" with one another, why keep the alleged rape charge process going?

If she was afraid of him and they had no contact during this process, why was she at his home? Why go there? Seems to me the site of him would make me run the other direction :shrug:

And I also read that she told superiors (somebody higher up) that the baby was not his. Of course we don't know anything with regard to the baby yet because the tests haven't been done, but I didn't know she had been physically involved with anyone so....just asking.

I guess I'm thinking out loud - - just curious about a lot of little details in this case that don't add up.:confused:

JD81

04-12-2008, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Oh I don't think they will go with the drama kind of interrogation. I think much more can be gleaned by a calm demeanor, one on one. Honey beats vinegar any day imo. They arent stupid..they know that if they try to come on tough......he will just stop talking.

I think Sheriff Brown is the perfect one to sit down and interrogate CAL.

But CAL cannot be compelled to talk with them anyway but if he does I think his lawyer will try to set it up between CAL and SB.

From what I have heard in the media he has already had tears in his eyes.:shrug:

imoo [/*]

GB, he had tears in his eyes for himself.

You don't think police use tactics like that? Oh my, if you only knew. I think the walls in the interrogation room will be plastered with pictures of Maria and Gabriel after death.

That's a tactic they use.

jmo

Kel65

04-12-2008, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

IIRC, there are media reports (from yesterday) that said the diary was "seized", but be that as it may....

So I guess she neglected to tell them about corresponding with Cesar - a wanted fugitive - LE gets a tip that results in a search warrant, but she makes up for that by handing over her diary? [/*]

Pretty convenient, huh?! Here LE have a breadcrumb and sorry for not telling you about the contact I've had with Cesar.

JMO.

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by Kel65

I know that I am not going to automatically believe what Welch said. Paraphrasing here . . . IIRC, he also said the UMSC forbid Christina from talking to anyone other than LE in reference to this tragedy. The USMC is saying they only adivsed her. Not quite the same to me. The way Welch spoke, he led the public to believe there was a written, official gag order issued to Chistina by the USMC. I doubt the USMC would issue a gag order based on an advisement. Specuating and JMO [/*]

And what exactly is the huge difference in this anyway, an advisory or a mandate?

I think some are just salivating to see/hear Christina so they can continue to further ridicule her and blame her.

I cannot understand why anyone would even expect Christina to come out publically and say anything at all! Guilty OR innocent!

Kel65

04-12-2008, 02:14 PM

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

I am sure he does.

He may have been close to his parents like Maria was to hers.

imoo [/*]

Yes. I don't see the use of ----> :lol: in this case, laughing about ANYONE involved, including Cesar. There are no winners. Everyone's life is changed forever. And two have NO life left at all.

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by JD81

GB, he had tears in his eyes for himself.

You don't think police use tactics like that? Oh my, if you only knew. I think the walls in the interrogation room will be plastered with pictures of Maria and Gabriel after death.

That's a tactic they use.

jmo [/*]

Who is "they"?

And how would you know unless you had been questioned as a suspect in a murder case?

Oh, that's right. The Discovery Channel?

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by Kel65

I believe there is a difference. One is an order and the other once is advice. In this military there is a difference. Orders must be followed.

JMO. [/*]

You misunderstood my post. What is the difference to US? To anyone? What does it matter, whether she was ordered or advised?

bkwits

04-12-2008, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by Kel65

Pretty convenient, huh?! Here LE have a breadcrumb and sorry for not telling you about the contact I've had with Cesar.

JMO. [/*]

She is not required by law to tell LE that she is in contact with Cesar. It is not a crime.

bkwits

04-12-2008, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Who is "they"?

And how would you know unless you had been questioned as a suspect in a murder case?

Oh, that's right. The Discovery Channel? [/*]

Maybe JD watches LAW & ORDER, and real crime shows like I do. IMO

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Miss Behavin
I'm also curious to know - If Maria and CL were "friendly" with one another, why keep the alleged rape charge process going?

If she was afraid of him and they had no contact during this process, why was she at his home? Why go there? Seems to me the site of him would make me run the other direction :shrug:

And I also read that she told superiors (somebody higher up) that the baby was not his. Of course we don't know anything with regard to the baby yet because the tests haven't been done, but I didn't know she had been physically involved with anyone so....just asking.

I guess I'm thinking out loud - - just curious about a lot of little details in this case that don't add up.:confused: [/*]

I think it was out of Maria's hands. Her Uncle said that Maria tried to drop the allegations a week before she went missing. Maria had to give him that information, herself, imo but the MC was not going to do so until it was resolved one way or the other.

And if she just admitted that she had lied about it she would be in deep trouble. From what we have learned Maria already had credibility issues even before this.

I find it rather odd that after 3 months the testing has not been done to know who Gabriel's father is.

By accepting that Gabriel was due later and her telling the Corps that he was not a product of rape she is confirming that she had consensual sex with someone after the allegations imo.

You are certainly right...........a lot of things in this case do not add up.

imoo

JD81

04-12-2008, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Kel65

I believe there is a difference. One is an order and the other once is advice. In this military there is a difference. Orders must be followed.

JMO. [/*]

Oh come on. When your CO advises you to do something is an ORDER in the military.

She's a Marine, and I'd like to know what choice she has?

jmo

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

And what exactly is the huge difference in this anyway, an advisory or a mandate?

I think some are just salivating to see/hear Christina so they can continue to further ridicule her and blame her.

I cannot understand why anyone would even expect Christina to come out publically and say anything at all! Guilty OR innocent! [/*]

SS, I don't expect either Christina or her attorney to make a public statement at this time; that could seriously damage the investigation/trial.

And I'm not salivating or ridiculing. I'm simply not prepared to accept at this time that Christina is blameless. There's entirely too much we don't yet know.

IF it turns out that she is blameless, I will gladly admit I was wrong. For her daughter's sake, I honestly hope that's the case.

JMO

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by Kel65

Pretty convenient, huh?! Here LE have a breadcrumb and sorry for not telling you about the contact I've had with Cesar.

JMO. [/*]

Yeah, a lot of wasted manhours and tax dollars when she *could* have done the right thing and alerted them that he was contacting her or attempting to contact her.

Crime or not, there are still such things as ethics and morals and respect for the law.

IMO she didn't have much respect for the same law enforcement that for weeks have been calling her "cooperative".

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by JD81

GB, he had tears in his eyes for himself.

You don't think police use tactics like that? Oh my, if you only knew. I think the walls in the interrogation room will be plastered with pictures of Maria and Gabriel after death.

That's a tactic they use.

jmo [/*]

Pullllllllleezeee. YOU nor I have a clue why he had tears in his eyes.:rolleyes:

I think LE is getting wiser everyday. Gone are the old tactics of playing hardball. It stops the defendant from talking and the objective is to keep them talking.

imoo

n/t

04-12-2008, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Yes. I don't see the use of ----> :lol: in this case, laughing about ANYONE involved, including Cesar. There are no winners. Everyone's life is changed forever. And two have NO life left at all. [/*]

Oh please. I have no sympathy whatsoever for a woman and baby murderer. The laughing icon was referring to him and the supposed tears he's shedding now that he's been caught. Nice try though for trying to twist my post to suit your agenda.:rolleyes:

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

She is not required by law to tell LE that she is in contact with Cesar. It is not a crime. [/*]

A FACT conveniently overlooked by the "you get a rope and I'll find a tree" bunch, imo.

:cool:

Miss Behavin

04-12-2008, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

I think it was out of Maria's hands. Her Uncle said that Maria tried to drop the allegations a week before she went missing. Maria had to give him that information, herself, imo but the MC was not going to do so until it was resolved one way or the other.

And if she just admitted that she had lied about it she would be in deep trouble. From what we have learned Maria already had credibility issues even before this.

I find it rather odd that after 3 months the testing has not been done to know who Gabriel's father is.

By accepting that Gabriel was due later and her telling the Corps that he was not a product of rape she is confirming that she had consensual sex with someone after the allegations imo.

You are certainly right...........a lot of things in this case do not add up.

imoo [/*]

Thanks for responding, GB.

It certainly makes one wonder, doesn't it? I've wondered to myself if perhaps Maria and Ceasar weren't secretly still seeing one another and planning on running off together.... or maybe that's what he wanted her to believe is that he would leave his wife and daughter to be with her.... who knows! Lots of speculation and opinion, I know, but can't help but wonder. Maybe something went wrong - maybe that was just his way of luring her to his home to pick him up or something... :shrug:

bkwits

04-12-2008, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

I think it was out of Maria's hands. Her Uncle said that Maria tried to drop the allegations a week before she went missing. Maria had to give him that information, herself, imo but the MC was not going to do so until it was resolved one way or the other.

And if she just admitted that she had lied about it she would be in deep trouble. From what we have learned Maria already had credibility issues even before this.

I find it rather odd that after 3 months the testing has not been done to know who Gabriel's father is.

By accepting that Gabriel was due later and her telling the Corps that he was not a product of rape she is confirming that she had consensual sex with someone after the allegations imo.

You are certainly right...........a lot of things in this case do not add up.

imoo [/*]

LE said that they need to get DNA from Cesar and will even go to Mex to get it, if necessary. We don't know when the baby was due. Every news report and LE says Maria was 8 months preg when she went missing. That would make her due in Jan.

Whether Cesar was the father of the baby is not that important in my opinion.
I think he probably is/was but Maria just wanted out of the whole deal. She just wanted to have her baby and go on with her life. She was under a lot of stress. IMO.

Mimi428

04-12-2008, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Yeah cuz he got caught and he wants his mommy. :lol: [/*]

I'm sure he does. I think every day that Cesar is prevented from interacting with & attempting to influence women is a bad day for him. I don't think his long eyelashes being full of tears generated by his big brown eyes would benefit him a whole heck of a lot in a roomful of men, quite frankly. Any one of them might get a visual of Cesar standing over a dying woman carrying his nearly full term baby - with her head caved in with a weapon similiar to a crowbar - & wonder who his tears are really for.

They might wonder how much he cried while he stole her money to finance his getaway.

They might question how much empathy he possessed while he buried the corpse that contained the body of an infant that would have been viable, if born.

They might wonder what dictionary he got his definition of 'love' from.

JMO

JD81

04-12-2008, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

A FACT conveniently overlooked by the "you get a rope and I'll find a tree" bunch, imo.

:cool: [/*]

:lol: :lol:

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by n/t
I have these nauseating thoughts of all these women sending him support letters whilst he's sitting in prison awaiting trial. Maybe some will even start a blog. barf [/*]

That certainly is a nauseating thought. I haven't seen where anyone here has suggested such a thing though, perhaps you have a link?

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 02:29 PM

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

She is not required by law to tell LE that she is in contact with Cesar. It is not a crime. [/*]

That just makes me feel all warm and cozy. (NOT)

It reminds me of Couey's trashy family members who hid him out from LE in the trailer when they knew he was an absconded sex offender...but oh they were inside the rule of law too.........they didn't have to tell LE a thing about the pervert that had Jessie in that house of horrors.:rolleyes:

imoo

JD81

04-12-2008, 02:31 PM

n/t

04-12-2008, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

That certainly is a nauseating thought. I haven't seen where anyone here has suggested such a thing though, perhaps you have a link? [/*]

You want a link to my thoughts? :lol:

bkwits

04-12-2008, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Yes. I don't see the use of ----> :lol: in this case, laughing about ANYONE involved, including Cesar. There are no winners. Everyone's life is changed forever. And two have NO life left at all. [/*]

I agree Savannah, and I am guilty as well. I thought about my post (before I read yours here) and tried to delete it but it was too late. It is a sad, sad situation.

Most of all for Maria and Gabriel.

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by n/t
I have these nauseating thoughts of all these women sending him support letters whilst he's sitting in prison awaiting trial. Maybe some will even start a blog. barf [/*]

I suppose if arguments fail, ridicule will suffice.

JMO

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

A FACT conveniently overlooked by the "you get a rope and I'll find a tree" bunch, imo.

:cool: [/*]

I thought references to lynching were banned from this board back during the Scott Peterson case?

:shrug:

And I haven't seen where anybody here is suggesting such a thing for either Cesar or Christina. Perhaps you have a link or better yet, report such posts as being against TOS.

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by JD81

GB, he had tears in his eyes for himself.

You don't think police use tactics like that? Oh my, if you only knew. I think the walls in the interrogation room will be plastered with pictures of Maria and Gabriel after death.

That's a tactic they use.

jmo [/*]

Oh I agree with this approach, let the stellar marine see the result of his handiwork. :flamemad:

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by n/t

You want a link to my thoughts? :lol: [/*]

Uh, no. A link to any post on this board where anyone here was planning on writing letters or starting blogs for Cesar. That IS what you were referring to, right?

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

LE said that they need to get DNA from Cesar and will even go to Mex to get it, if necessary. We don't know when the baby was due. Every news report and LE says Maria was 8 months preg when she went missing. That would make her due in Jan.

Whether Cesar was the father of the baby is not that important in my opinion.
I think he probably is/was but Maria just wanted out of the whole deal. She just wanted to have her baby and go on with her life. She was under a lot of stress. IMO. [/*]

How would the media know how far along Maria was or was not?

I think it will be very important if he is not.

Yes she did want to leave and start anew ...I agree with that and yes, she was under a lot of stress from many different directions.

imoo

bkwits

04-12-2008, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

That just makes me feel all warm and cozy. (NOT)

It reminds me of Couey's trashy family members who hid him out from LE in the trailer when they knew he was an absconded sex offender...but oh they were inside the rule of law too.........they didn't have to tell LE a thing about the pervert that had Jessie in that house of horrors.:rolleyes:

imoo [/*]

I'm not saying I support what Ctina did or didn't do, I was just stating a fact in answer to another poster.

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by JD81

Oh come on. When your CO advises you to do something is an ORDER in the military.

She's a Marine, and I'd like to know what choice she has?

jmo [/*]

Advise and Order are two separate things. JMO

Kel65

04-12-2008, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

You misunderstood my post. What is the difference to US? To anyone? What does it matter, whether she was ordered or advised? [/*]

This all in my opinion.

My point is just because Welch said something doesn't make it gospel. Many lawyers have ways of twisting things. I believe that him saying the USMC forbid (knowing the USMC, to make it official, it would have been in the form of a written direct order) Christina from speaking out in public regarding this case is just a prime example of him manipulating what he wants the public to believe in regard to Christina's lack of public outreach.

This is just my two cents, but her lack of making a public statement is a significant part of the reason for the widespread public suspicion of her and he knows it. Now it is damage control time. Not my fault that I didn't put her out there, it is the USMCs.

In my opinion and my experience in being around the USMC, the USMC (LtCol Hill) made a point to publicly refute that the USMC forbid Christina to speak out in public.

JD81

04-12-2008, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

I suppose if arguments fail, ridicule will suffice.

JMO [/*]

It has been used against me plenty? LOL

But then you know that don't you?

MOO

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

That just makes me feel all warm and cozy. (NOT)

It reminds me of Couey's trashy family members who hid him out from LE in the trailer when they knew he was an absconded sex offender...but oh they were inside the rule of law too.........they didn't have to tell LE a thing about the pervert that had Jessie in that house of horrors.:rolleyes:

imoo [/*]

That's exactly right. Just because she committed no crime (in the eyes of the state), doesn't mean that she didn't have a moral obligation to society to "do the right thing".

JMO