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marinewife5

04-12-2008, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

That just makes me feel all warm and cozy. (NOT)

It reminds me of Couey's trashy family members who hid him out from LE in the trailer when they knew he was an absconded sex offender...but oh they were inside the rule of law too.........they didn't have to tell LE a thing about the pervert that had Jessie in that house of horrors.:rolleyes:

imoo [/*]

IMO, having a DA profess your continuing love for an alleged murderer to the entire world, and the next morning tht same world hearing from her husband's own lips that he loved Maria is punishment plenty. Karma is a whacky thing, imo

n/t

04-12-2008, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Uh, no. A link to any post on this board where anyone here was planning on writing letters or starting blogs for Cesar. That IS what you were referring to, right? [/*]

Uh, no. You may want to reread my post again. I said thoughts. I never said anyone here was planning. Please don't misquote me.

:rolleyes:

henry

04-12-2008, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Miss Behavin
I'm also curious to know - If Maria and CL were "friendly" with one another, why keep the alleged rape charge process going?

If she was afraid of him and they had no contact during this process, why was she at his home? Why go there? Seems to me the site of him would make me run the other direction :shrug:

And I also read that she told superiors (somebody higher up) that the baby was not his. Of course we don't know anything with regard to the baby yet because the tests haven't been done, but I didn't know she had been physically involved with anyone so....just asking.

I guess I'm thinking out loud - - just curious about a lot of little details in this case that don't add up.:confused: [/*]

in what i've read . . . and i could have missed some stuff (hah, already found a couple of these) but i have not read one thing where they were friendly since the rape charges . . . even j renna, iirc, did not have any knowledge about this past summer/fall.

the sbrown statement, again, iirc, started the whole "friendly" thing . . . and from what i've read, the 1st "friendly" contact is 12/14 . . . of course, "stc" (subject to change) when we know what LE knows . . . oh there was a reported comment attached to jdnews? that said they spent the weekend together at a motel . . . haven't seen that anywhere else.

now, if you want speculation. . . there's thousands of pages of that . . . and it will be interesting to see what pans out and what i missed (intentionally didn't use "we" :) ) . . . all from my perspective.

JD81

04-12-2008, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

Advise and Order are two separate things. JMO [/*]

Yes, I know. *wink*

hinman

04-12-2008, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

IMO, having a DA profess your continuing love for an alleged murderer to the entire world, and the next morning tht same world hearing from her husband's own lips that he loved Maria is punishment plenty. Karma is a whacky thing, imo [/*]You know she had to be pretty pizzed off over that.

JD81

04-12-2008, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

I saw your nic for the first time yesterday. How would I know that? [/*]

Awww from the board yesterday?

Mitzy2

04-12-2008, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Yeah, a lot of wasted manhours and tax dollars when she *could* have done the right thing and alerted them that he was contacting her or attempting to contact her.

Crime or not, there are still such things as ethics and morals and respect for the law.

IMO she didn't have much respect for the same law enforcement that for weeks have been calling her "cooperative". [/*]:seeya: There's that phrase again " Cooperating Witness". This puzzles me ! Christina claims not to know anything about the murders, blood in home , burial, ATM withdrawel, where CL went, just "nothing." So how was she able to help LE ?:shrug:

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

"turned over" to me does not sound like "volunteered" or "offered". jmo [/*]

Saying she turned them over does not PRECLUDE them being volunteered or offered, does it? Just because of a choice of words, sheesh!

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by JD81

Awww from the board yesterday? [/*]

Sorry, guess I was paying attention to the discussion instead.

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Uh, no. You may want to reread my post again. I said thoughts. I never said anyone here was planning. Please don't misquote me.

:rolleyes: [/*]

Not misquoting, just asking a simple question.

So you were just having nauseating thoughts about women in general who write to killers and start blogs about them? I agree, that's about the sickest element of society, next to the murderers themselves.

And the ones who marry death row inmates? Puh-leeeze, don't even get me started.

:cuss:

bkwits

04-12-2008, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by henry

in what i've read . . . and i could have missed some stuff (hah, already found a couple of these) but i have not read one thing where they were friendly since the rape charges . . . even j renna, iirc, did not have any knowledge about this past summer/fall.

the sbrown statement, again, iirc, started the whole "friendly" thing . . . and from what i've read, the 1st "friendly" contact is 12/14 . . . of course, "stc" (subject to change) when we know what LE knows . . . oh there was a reported comment attached to jdnews? that said they spent the weekend together at a motel . . . haven't seen that anywhere else.

now, if you want speculation. . . there's thousands of pages of that . . . and it will be interesting to see what pans out and what i missed (intentionally didn't use "we" :) ) . . . all from my perspective. [/*]

That comment about the motel IIRC was from someone who heard from someone who talked to someone who had supposedly seen them the weekend before Maria was murdered. Supposedly they spent 3 days there. I find it smelly to say the least. IMO

JD81

04-12-2008, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by hinman
You know she had to be pretty pizzed off over that. [/*]

She'll sure testify now. jmo

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by Kel65

This all in my opinion.

My point is just because Welch said something doesn't make it gospel. Many lawyers have ways of twisting things. I believe that him saying the USMC forbid (knowing the USMC, to make it official, it would have been in the form of a written direct order) Christina from speaking out in public regarding this case is just a prime example of him manipulating what he wants the public to believe in regard to Christina's lack of public outreach.

This is just my two cents, but her lack of making a public statement is a significant part of the reason for the widespread public suspicion of her and he knows it. Now it is damage control time. Not my fault that I didn't put her out there, it is the USMCs.

In my opinion and my experience in being around the USMC, the USMC (LtCol Hill) made a point to publicly refute that the USMC forbid Christina to speak out in public. [/*]

So do you want her to speak out in public? Expect her to speak out in public? Why or why not? I can't really think of any reason. I wouldn't in her position.

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by Mitzy2
:seeya: There's that phrase again " Cooperating Witness". This puzzles me ! Christina claims not to know anything about the murders, blood in home , burial, ATM withdrawel, where CL went, just "nothing." So how was she able to help LE ?:shrug: [/*]

Who knows? How much help do you get from a person who supposedly only found out about a burial (not a murder, but a burial of a suicide victim), some 12-24 hours before he fled?

:shrug:

n/t

04-12-2008, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by henry

in what i've read . . . and i could have missed some stuff (hah, already found a couple of these) but i have not read one thing where they were friendly since the rape charges . . . even j renna, iirc, did not have any knowledge about this past summer/fall.

the sbrown statement, again, iirc, started the whole "friendly" thing . . . and from what i've read, the 1st "friendly" contact is 12/14 . . . of course, "stc" (subject to change) when we know what LE knows . . . oh there was a reported comment attached to jdnews? that said they spent the weekend together at a motel . . . haven't seen that anywhere else.

now, if you want speculation. . . there's thousands of pages of that . . . and it will be interesting to see what pans out and what i missed (intentionally didn't use "we" :) ) . . . all from my perspective. [/*]

What's this JDNews? Is that the MC blog? I don't recall anything like that either henry. Lots and lots of speculation way at the beginning when we were all trying to understand how Maria ended up at his house but nothing was ever confirmed. Nothing that I've seen.

Boy, did the board ever change since then. :eek:

henry

04-12-2008, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

She is not required by law to tell LE that she is in contact with Cesar. It is not a crime. [/*]

but would it be against the da's rules in labeling/classifying her a "cooperating witness" not to tell if she's heard from cesar and thus injure any immunity deal she may have . . . i just don't know. i would expect to maintain that status, she'd have to be 100% truthful and forthcoming and helpful . . . imo

JD81

04-12-2008, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Who knows? How much help do you get from a person who supposedly only found out about a burial (not a murder, but a burial of a suicide victim), some 12-24 hours before he fled?

:shrug: [/*]

RS said she didn't now until Thursday evening. jmo

The 24 hour period can be eliminated now. jmo

Mimi428

04-12-2008, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

I think LE is getting wiser everyday. Gone are the old tactics of playing hardball. It stops the defendant from talking and the objective is to keep them talking.

imoo [/*]

But he is NOT in jail in the USA. He has NO protections there in the same fashion that he would have here.

He's in Mexico. The same country that had the guys who were arrested for the murder of Mark Kilroy DIG UP THE GRAVES of their victims. Gave them the shovels, put them in the pit & had them dig up rotting corpses while LE stood back & watched them. You may not remember that case, but I sure as heck will never forget the sight of Mexican LE & the TX attorney general standing there with their mouths & noses covered to try to staunch the smell.

I don't think any LEA from here will ask Mexican LE to abuse Cesar. But I ALSO don't think they could do one freakin' thing to stop them from interrogating, abusing, questioning or doing any OTHER thing they may want to do to Cesar while he is in Mexico.

JMO

Kel65

04-12-2008, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

That comment about the motel IIRC was from someone who heard from someone who talked to someone who had supposedly seen them the weekend before Maria was murdered. Supposedly they spent 3 days there. I find it smelly to say the least. IMO [/*]

It may be fishy but . . . IIRC, the same sentiments were expressed about the claim of a "raid", by posters on this board and wow, it actually was accurate.

As strange as this whole case is, it would not shock me if there is some truth to the motel rumor.

JMO

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by JD81

Yes, I know. *wink* [/*]

My humble appologies. Your post gave ME the impression that you didn't. *wink, wink*

henry

04-12-2008, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by n/t

What's this JDNews? Is that the MC blog? I don't recall anything like that either henry. Lots and lots of speculation way at the beginning when we were all trying to understand how Maria ended up at his house but nothing was ever confirmed. Nothing that I've seen.

Boy, did the board ever change since then. :eek: [/*]

nope - it's the "comments" section" under each jacksonville daily news article where people post their comments . . . there used to be pages & pages of comments, but i don't see them there anymore . . . this story has a few

http://www.jdnews.com/news/gutheinz_56009___article.html/mexico_laurean.html

edit: the nope was to your 1st paragraph . . . not your last one :)

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by JD81

RS said she didn't now until Thursday evening. jmo

The 24 hour period can be eliminated now. jmo [/*]

Oooookay, so again how much help is she to LE when she (supposedly) only finds out about a burial (not a murder, but a burial of a suicide victim) some...what, 4 hours before he fled?

:shrug:

MaryB

04-12-2008, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by strick10

Technically he is until he is brought back and the MC decides what to do. My guess a BCD. [/*]

Thanks stric, was just wondering about that and hadn't seen it mentioned in all my reading.

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Uh, no. You may want to reread my post again. I said thoughts. I never said anyone here was planning. Please don't misquote me.

:rolleyes: [/*]

No n/t you said no such thing. I wouldn't be a bit surprised tho if laurean doesn't eventually have a "fan" club
of sympathetic women who think he's totally innocent because
of the way he looks. It has happened in other cases (peterson/chambers) and I bet it will occur in this case too. IMO.

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 02:58 PM

Sherlocksmom

04-12-2008, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by Howiefan

thanks CK

5) Is there any evidence that shows contact between Laurean and Maria prior to Maria's arrival at the Laurean home? (I'm sure you can't answer this directly but the posters would just like a yes or no answer) Yes

Is this what you are referring to? I think it could be taken several ways... It does not mean she went there on her own.. Arrival mean just that getting there..it could also could mean as was stated in another link fro this morning that Cesar forced her to withdraw money at the ATM..that could have been the contact before arriving at the house..

jmo [/*]

I don't believe that we have conformation as to whether or not he forced her to take out money. Since his arrest it seems like they are saying he did so perhaps they got some info from him. The fact that the sheriff confirmed there was contact proves nothing as far as her being forced to take out money for him.

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 02:59 PM

If CL can answer any questions truthfully, i do hope that they are "when did the murder occur" and "when did you leave town". The first because I believe ML's family deserves to know, and the second because I'm just danged nosy (that applies a little to the first one, too). And it will be helpful if he has some way of backing up his answers. jmo

Mitzy2

04-12-2008, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Who knows? How much help do you get from a person who supposedly only found out about a burial (not a murder, but a burial of a suicide victim), some 12-24 hours before he fled?

:shrug: [/*]Exactly ! And testifying in Court to what ? Any Communications between spouses is still privilaged. I believe Christina can testify to what she observed but not to anything discussed between husband and wife. JMO

JD81

04-12-2008, 02:59 PM

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Not misquoting, just asking a simple question.

So you were just having nauseating thoughts about women in general who write to killers and start blogs about them? I agree, that's about the sickest element of society, next to the murderers themselves.

And the ones who marry death row inmates? Puh-leeeze, don't even get me started.

:cuss: [/*]

My sentiments............exactly. I didn't know they start blogs about them but I am not surprised.

imoo

bkwits

04-12-2008, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by henry

but would it be against the da's rules in labeling/classifying her a "cooperating witness" not to tell if she's heard from cesar and thus injure any immunity deal she may have . . . i just don't know. i would expect to maintain that status, she'd have to be 100% truthful and forthcoming and helpful . . . imo [/*]

I think her atty. advised her on this. I think LE needs her to testify against Cesar. I don't know if she has an immunity deal. In any case, if they find out she helped Cesar, all bets are off the table. IMO

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

I think her atty. advised her on this. I think LE needs her to testify against Cesar. I don't know if she has an immunity deal. In any case, if they find out she helped Cesar, all bets are off the table. IMO [/*]

But that's what we can't figure out. Testify to what?

That she didn't see blood?

That she didn't see a pit?

That she didn't see Maria's car in her garage?

That a crime had occurred that she knew nothing about?

How is that supposed to be testifying against Cesar?

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 03:05 PM

henry

04-12-2008, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5
If CL can answer any questions truthfully, i do hope that they are "when did the murder occur" and "when did you leave town". The first because I believe ML's family deserves to know, and the second because I'm just danged nosy (that applies a little to the first one, too). And it will be helpful if he has some way of backing up his answers. jmo [/*]

and i'd like to add . . . why was maria at your home

bkwits

04-12-2008, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

My sentiments............exactly. I didn't know they start blogs about them but I am not surprised.

imoo [/*]

Some get married in prison. What is the name of those two brothers in LA, who killed their parents. I know the older one got married. I believe he is serving life.

Oh I just remembered it is Menendez. Lyle and Eric, I think. I believe Lyle is the older, better looking one. IMO

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by henry

and i'd like to add . . . why was maria at your home [/*]

good one! ITA

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

Great. Now I'll probably have to testify too, as I too saw none of that. :rolleyes: [/*]

Don't you worry, I'll have my head shaved, my "marinewife5 is innocent" t-shirt freshly laundered and a blog dedicated to you set up in no time!

:D

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by Mitzy2
Exactly ! And testifying in Court to what ? Any Communications between spouses is still privilaged. I believe Christina can testify to what she observed but not to anything discussed between husband and wife. JMO [/*]
I think that ship has sailed. The privilege between husband and wife was pierced when Christina told LE what cesar said to her on the way to the attorney's office, imo. Not to mention other little tidbits she has told them over the last few months. I fully expect her to roll up to the stand and answer any questions they ask her, to the best of her ability. IMO

n/t

04-12-2008, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by henry

nope - it's the "comments" section" under each jacksonville daily news article where people post their comments . . . there used to be pages & pages of comments, but i don't see them there anymore . . . this story has a few

http://www.jdnews.com/news/gutheinz_56009___article.html/mexico_laurean.html

edit: the nope was to your 1st paragraph . . . not your last one :) [/*]

Thanks henry. After reading about the prison conditions for inmates, now I know why he's supposedly shedding those tears.

I guess poor Cesar won't be having lobster for dinner. :o

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom

I don't believe that we have conformation as to whether or not he forced her to take out money. Since his arrest it seems like they are saying he did so perhaps they got some info from him. The fact that the sheriff confirmed there was contact proves nothing as far as her being forced to take out money for him. [/*]

That is just old erroneous information that was never retracted by anyone but Jacksonville Daily News. Sutherland specifically quashed the misinformation and since the first article was written by the JDN he went to them directly so that they could correct their error and they did. However the other outlets did not and still run on the old misinformation they had that has not been corrected.

Not one LE representative has commented on that since Sutherland put it to rest the last day of January.

And it connects the reason why Laurean was never charged with kidnapping.

imoo

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Don't you worry, I'll have my head shaved, my "marinewife5 is innocent" t-shirt freshly laundered and a blog dedicated to you set up in no time!

:D [/*]

I'll go start my warm-fuzzies diary for ole dewey.

I still think she's full of it, but I really do feel bad for her after yesterday and the day before. As much as we all want more info, i got an embarassed feeling for her when da hudson started revealing the diary stuff. JMO

JD81

04-12-2008, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Don't you worry, I'll have my head shaved, my "marinewife5 is innocent" t-shirt freshly laundered and a blog dedicated to you set up in no time!

:D [/*]

NO, a memorial site with plenty of roses.

Many posters talking about how young she is, her big brown sorrowful eyes with long lashes. Her total giving up on everything. How thin and tired she looks. jmo

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

Great. Now I'll probably have to testify too, as I too saw none of that. :rolleyes: [/*]

:eek: :D

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by JD81

NO, a memorial site with plenty of roses.

Many posters talking about how young she is, her big brown sorrowful eyes with long lashes. Her total giving up on everything. How thin and tired she looks. jmo [/*]

I didn't know you cared :rose:

bkwits

04-12-2008, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

But that's what we can't figure out. Testify to what?

That she didn't see blood?

That she didn't see a pit?

That she didn't see Maria's car in her garage?

That a crime had occurred that she knew nothing about?

How is that supposed to be testifying against Cesar? [/*]

Maybe she did see blood, i.e. he cut his finger.

She must have seen him digging in the pit. i.e for the bonfires.

How he suddenly wanted to paint the house. i.e. Let's do it before xmas, honey, so it will look nice.

There could be many things that she could testify too, without breaking spousal communication rules. IMO

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 03:12 PM

I do feel sorry for cesar. But not to the extent he should be free. He started all of this with cheating. I keep trying to throw away my humanity, but the dang thing comes back like crabgrass. JMO

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

I think that ship has sailed. The privilege between husband and wife was pierced when Christina told LE what cesar said to her on the way to the attorney's office, imo. Not to mention other little tidbits she has told them over the last few months. I fully expect her to roll up to the stand and answer any questions they ask her, to the best of her ability. IMO [/*]

Yep. And as far as "little tidbits" I'm actually sure she has told them a lot. She didn't have to know about the murder, IMO, to be extremely helpful to them in many ways.

Kel65

04-12-2008, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

So do you want her to speak out in public? Expect her to speak out in public? Why or why not? I can't really think of any reason. I wouldn't in her position. [/*]

Personally, I don't care one way or another if she speaks out in public, although I think it was a poor move on Welch's part to make her elusive and a mystery. In retrospect and based on the rampant negative speculation regarding Christina, yesterday he saw a need to defend why his client hasn't made a public outreach . He to chose throw to the USMC under the bus. He got called on it.

In my opinion, it is too late for her to speak out in pubic to salvage the widespread pubic's perception of her. The damage is done. Juries are made up of the public, so her elusiveness may come back to haunt her.

JMO

JD81

04-12-2008, 03:14 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by marinewife5

I didn't know you cared :rose: [/*][/QUOTE

The misty tears in your eyes for everyone but yourself. Of course I care.:rose:

henry

04-12-2008, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

I'll go start my warm-fuzzies diary for ole dewey.

I still think she's full of it, but I really do feel bad for her after yesterday and the day before. As much as we all want more info, i got an embarassed feeling for her when da hudson started revealing the diary stuff. JMO [/*]

ita except warm fuzzies/embarrassment for xtina, but that's okay . . . wondering if NCIS or MC have different standards about wife/xtina testifying . . . anyone know?

bkwits

04-12-2008, 03:15 PM

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

I'll go start my warm-fuzzies diary for ole dewey.

I still think she's full of it, but I really do feel bad for her after yesterday and the day before. As much as we all want more info, i got an embarassed feeling for her when da hudson started revealing the diary stuff. JMO [/*]

Yeah, I've got a diary for Dewey that'll turn his hair white....

Oh wait, I see he's already read it.

Never mind.

JD81

04-12-2008, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5
I do feel sorry for cesar. But not to the extent he should be free. He started all of this with cheating. I keep trying to throw away my humanity, but the dang thing comes back like crabgrass. JMO [/*]

Poor Cesar. BooHoo:D

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

Maybe she did see blood, i.e. he cut his finger.

She must have seen him digging in the pit. i.e for the bonfires.

How he suddenly wanted to paint the house. i.e. Let's do it before xmas, honey, so it will look nice.

There could be many things that she could testify too, without breaking spousal communication rules. IMO [/*]

I understand that, BUT how is testifying that he cut his hand, dug a pit for bonfires, or painted the house testimony AGAINST him in a murder case? I can see where his defense would want those things in, but not the prosecution. How does that help the DA prove a murder occurred in that home using Christina's testimony?

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Kel65

It may be fishy but . . . IIRC, the same sentiments were expressed about the claim of a "raid", by posters on this board and wow, it actually was accurate.

As strange as this whole case is, it would not shock me if there is some truth to the motel rumor.

JMO [/*]

I dont dismiss any comments and I doubt LE does either.

Well I actually think there is a poster over there on JDN forum that through some high tech work found that Laurean was chatting with Christina on myspace. The poster said they were forwarding the information to LE regularly. If that is so and they are legitimate then I think they should at least share in the reward money however due to the circumstances the local police in Mexico is really the ones that nabbed him.

imoo

Charlotte

04-12-2008, 03:19 PM

The response letter from Lt. Gen. Kramlich to Congressman Turner is interesting. In it, he directly contradicts something that was said by Lt. Col. Hill during the Jan. 15 press conference.

Lt. Gen. Kramlich states that the MC gave Maria a copy of the MPO and "explained to her that the MPO is in place to protect her." That flies in the face of Lt. Col. Hill's repeated insistence that the original issuance of the MPO and each of its renewals were done NOT for her protection, but to protect barf "the integrity of the case."

Gee, a protective order really is meant to protect the "protected person" listed on it?? Glad he cleared that up. Now, why were the MPOs said to have been for the protection of "the integrity of the case," and not for that of Maria, at the PC?

There are a number of other things stated by Kramlich in this letter that contradict what has previously been said by military personnel... :read:

n/t

04-12-2008, 03:19 PM

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 03:19 PM

hinman

04-12-2008, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Oooookay, so again how much help is she to LE when she (supposedly) only finds out about a burial (not a murder, but a burial of a suicide victim) some...what, 4 hours before he fled?

:shrug: [/*]To be honest in my opinion she is not much help. she told them what she knew half was not even correct. She did not get CL caught soon, she did communicate with him but didn't tell LE.

In my opinion she was not that much help and from that I can't understand why if she was the murderer they did not just arrest her.

Many believed she was not being arrested because she was helping. I do not see how she was helping though, she even lawyered up.

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Yeah, I've got a diary for Dewey that'll turn his hair white....

Oh wait, I see he's already read it.

Never mind. [/*]

Maybe he has read one too many diaries in the past!:eek: :)

imoo

JD81

04-12-2008, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

I dont dismiss any comments and I doubt LE does either.

Well I actually think there is a poster over there on JDN forum that through some high tech work found that Laurean was chatting with Christina on myspace. The poster said they were forwarding the information to LE regularly. If that is so and they are legitimate then I think they should at least share in the reward money however due to the circumstances the local police in Mexico is really the ones that nabbed him.

imoo [/*]

Christina deserves that reward for blowing this case wide open and nobody else. jmo

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by JD81

Christina deserves that reward for blowing this case wide open and nobody else. jmo [/*]

Why am I not surprised you feel this way?

:rolleyes:

JD81

04-12-2008, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Maybe he has read one too many diaries in the past!:eek: :)

imoo [/*]

Who cares? I'm just glad he read Christina's.

Mitzy2

04-12-2008, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

I think that ship has sailed. The privilege between husband and wife was pierced when Christina told LE what cesar said to her on the way to the attorney's office, imo. Not to mention other little tidbits she has told them over the last few months. I fully expect her to roll up to the stand and answer any questions they ask her, to the best of her ability. IMO [/*] Your right, I do understand that, but CL's Atty will no doubt not allow Christina' to get up on the witness stand and violate spousal privilage. I believe a jury will be selected that is not as informed as people who closley follow crime cases such as us/ we. I just don't see her being very valuable to the Prosecution of this case if she truly knows nothing.:shrug:

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by Mimi428

But he is NOT in jail in the USA. He has NO protections there in the same fashion that he would have here.

He's in Mexico. The same country that had the guys who were arrested for the murder of Mark Kilroy DIG UP THE GRAVES of their victims. Gave them the shovels, put them in the pit & had them dig up rotting corpses while LE stood back & watched them. You may not remember that case, but I sure as heck will never forget the sight of Mexican LE & the TX attorney general standing there with their mouths & noses covered to try to staunch the smell.

I don't think any LEA from here will ask Mexican LE to abuse Cesar. But I ALSO don't think they could do one freakin' thing to stop them from interrogating, abusing, questioning or doing any OTHER thing they may want to do to Cesar while he is in Mexico.

JMO [/*]

:shrug: I want even talking about Mexico.

I was talking about when he is returned to Onslow County.:shrug:

What does that have to do with this case? Maria and Gabriel are buried here.

imoo

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by JD81
[QUOTE]Originally posted by marinewife5

I didn't know you cared :rose: [/*][/QUOTE

The misty tears in your eyes for everyone but yourself. Of course I care.:rose: [/*]

I actually believe they were tears of relief after being in hiding and on the run. it wasn't as easy as he thought. JMO

bkwits

04-12-2008, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

I understand that, BUT how is testifying that he cut his hand, dug a pit for bonfires, or painted the house testimony AGAINST him in a murder case? I can see where his defense would want those things in, but not the prosecution. How does that help the DA prove a murder occurred in that home using Christina's testimony? [/*]

The i.e. was how CL explained it to Ctina, not what she may say in court. For example, she may say she saw blood on his hands or clothes on the evening of 12/14. That he dug out in the yard. That she saw stains on the garage floor. That there was a strange car in the driveway. There could be lots of things like that. IMO

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by JD81

Christina deserves that reward for blowing this case wide open and nobody else. jmo [/*]

She did not knowingly and willingly blow this case wide open. JMO

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

Reggie, IANAL, but doesn't spousal privilege only apply in court testimony? [/*]

You are right bkwits and I believe they will use what she told them in court. I don't think cesar can stand in the way of her testifying.

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 03:26 PM

bkwits

04-12-2008, 03:26 PM

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Why do you feel sorry for him? [/*]
Because I am not a sociopath concerned only with myself and my world.

JD81

04-12-2008, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by Mitzy2
Your right, I do understand that, but CL's Atty will no doubt not allow Christina' to get up on the witness stand and violate spousal privilage. I believe a jury will be selected that is not as informed as people who closley follow crime cases such as us/ we. I just don't see her being very valuable to the Prosecution of this case if she truly knows nothing.:shrug: [/*]

Christina knows plenty surrounding the case. She knows how Cesar was acting before and after the murder. She has seen things she didn't know what they meant at the time. There is no law against testifying against your spouse. Actually that is the spouses' decision. She will be on that stand. jmo

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by JD81

Christina deserves that reward for blowing this case wide open and nobody else. jmo [/*]

I don't think anyone deserves a reward. He was more or less found by a fluke.

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Why do you feel sorry for him? [/*]

Because she's human, those of us who have nothing but contempt for this woman/baby killer apparently aren't.....is the way I'm understanding it.

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by JD81

Christina deserves that reward for blowing this case wide open and nobody else. jmo [/*]

She deserves nothing but scorn imo. She purposefully engaged in secret communication with a fugitive while thousands of man hours were spent trying to track him down.

Just because she got caught chatting on line with him does not make her eligible for the reward.

She may never be charged legally but morally she is sorely lacking imo just like the Couey family evil doers.

If they had never gotten the tip to her and her husband's activities she most likely right now would be typing away and pining for her man.:rolleyes:

imoo

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by Kel65

Personally, I don't care one way or another if she speaks out in public, although I think it was a poor move on Welch's part to make her elusive and a mystery. In retrospect and based on the rampant negative speculation regarding Christina, yesterday he saw a need to defend why his client hasn't made a public outreach . He to chose throw to the USMC under the bus. He got called on it.

In my opinion, it is too late for her to speak out in pubic to salvage the widespread pubic's perception of her. The damage is done. Juries are made up of the public, so her elusiveness may come back to haunt her.

JMO [/*]

LOL. If she is charged with a crime and tried in front of a jury, and I highly doubt that.

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

The i.e. was how CL explained it to Ctina, not what she may say in court. For example, she may say she saw blood on his hands or clothes on the evening of 12/14. That he dug out in the yard. That she saw stains on the garage floor. That there was a strange car in the driveway. There could be lots of things like that. IMO [/*]

But hasn't LE been saying all along that she claims she never saw anything or noticed anything out of the ordinary?

:shrug:

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by JD81

Christina knows plenty surrounding the case. She knows how Cesar was acting before and after the murder. She has seen things she didn't know what they meant at the time. There is no law against testifying against your spouse. Actually that is the spouses' decision. She will be on that stand. jmo [/*]

Thanks for setting the record straight on that.

BTW, remember when LE said they had cesar on other video tape purchasing items? I think Christina has fleshed out that information for them.

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

Because she's human, those of us who have nothing but contempt for this woman/baby killer apparently aren't.....is the way I'm understanding it. [/*]

Putting words in my mouth?

JD81

04-12-2008, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

Because I am not a sociopath concerned only with myself and my world. [/*]

:eek:

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

Putting words in my mouth? [/*]

I'm nowhere near your mouth.

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by JD81

:eek: [/*]

why are you shocked that i'm not a sociopath? is this you, dr. ludwig?

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

why are you shocked that i'm not a sociopath? is this you, dr. ludwig? [/*]

:lol:

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by JD81

:eek: [/*]

LOL, another diagnosis. File it right along with Maria being bi-polar. :tongue:

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

I'm nowhere near your mouth. [/*]

Anytime i need you to interpret my posts for me, i will happily pm you. thank you anyway:D

VC2

04-12-2008, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Do you think that LE has much more information that we are privy too? (I think that was even mentioned by someone in the PC yesterday, IIRC.) I do. And that is what helps me form my opinion of Christina's lack of involvement. [/*]

I already felt it unlikely she was involved, but DA Hudsons flat statement on Greta that He was CONVINCED AND CONFIDENT that she had nothing to do with the murder or helping after the murder is good enough for me.

I don't pretend to have more information than they do, and they sure have all the elements of the time line down any and all alibi information as well as the emails, her diaries, a likely poly - going by RS's statement in the first month that there was not one request they made of her that she has refused - and all the forensics. (yeah i know not all the emails have been analyzed but clearly enough have been that the DA is convinced and confident)

The murder weapon, and other forensics imo show it was Cesar and cesar alone (since that is what Hudson said and RS) who committed the murder and the coverup.

Also think that while torn christina did keep LE informed and as far as the seizure goes well it would be absolutely insane not to go with a search warrant when the perps wife is torn between anger and still loving him bc what if she later changed her mind about testifying or her atty said that she had not given permission for them to be taken. (and the puter had to be by search warrant since it was not hers)

The pc yesterday and the statements later by hudson and RS make it obvious that all the information they have clears christina from involvement.

There is also no reason now that he is captured to come out of the starting gate defending her unless they ARE confident and convinced. They dont need her to lure him, they don't need her to for one darned thing except testifying but i have never seen LE worry about that if they thought the family member was part of it. They arrest her and make a deal so she testifies. The only time i have seen LE clear a spouse is when they know they are not involved and public/news reports try to make it seem otherwise.

JMO

MaryB

04-12-2008, 03:35 PM

Fox news is reporting that CL will not fight extradition and could be returned in as little as a few days.

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 03:36 PM

I am pretty sure that I am free to self-diagnose myself. And I'm 100% sure I'm not a sociopath. I cannot believe the debate this has stirred! Do i need a note from a psychiatrist?

GentleBreeze

04-12-2008, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by MaryB
Fox news is reporting that CL will not fight extradition and could be returned in as little as a few days. [/*]

Thanks.

I had a feeling he wouldn't. I think he is now ready to come back and tell what he knows.

imoo

JD81

04-12-2008, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

Thanks for setting the record straight on that.

BTW, remember when LE said they had cesar on other video tape purchasing items? I think Christina has fleshed out that information for them. [/*]

I do too. As she became aware of what he had done, she started remembering things he did that weren't suspicious at the time.

That happens in other cases. imo

bkwits

04-12-2008, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

You are right bkwits and I believe they will use what she told them in court. I don't think cesar can stand in the way of her testifying. [/*]

I guess each state has different rules, but, as I understand it, the spouse cannot testify to what the other spouse told her/him in a private conversation. I think she could testify as to what she observed.

I wonder if the emails can be shown as proof. Are they posted on myspace? I only have one experience with Myspace. It is a page set up for one branch of my family. You can post directly to it or send emails to everyone. I am totally uninformed about this.

JD81

04-12-2008, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by MaryB
Fox news is reporting that CL will not fight extradition and could be returned in as little as a few days. [/*]

Good news. I had heard something earlier this morning but it was just the DA saying he didn't think he would be fighting extradition.

jmo

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by MaryB
Fox news is reporting that CL will not fight extradition and could be returned in as little as a few days. [/*]

Thank you for this info Mary. But, I thought they said it would be 60 days for the Justice Department to get all the paperwork squared away even if he didn't fight the extrdition?

Hope they found a way to expedite his return.

:patriot:

Mitzy2

04-12-2008, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

Oh, we definitely couldn't be on the jury.:biggrin: [/*]:lol: Can you just imagine, we'd be correcting the Prosecuter if he mis-spoke one single detail. JMO

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by MaryB
Fox news is reporting that CL will not fight extradition and could be returned in as little as a few days. [/*]

TY. I figured he wouldn't fight it.

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

I guess each state has different rules, but, as I understand it, the spouse cannot testify to what the other spouse told her/him in a private conversation. I think she could testify as to what she observed.

I wonder if the emails can be shown as proof. Are they posted on myspace? I only have one experience with Myspace. It is a page set up for one branch of my family. You can post directly to it or send emails to everyone. I am totally uninformed about this. [/*]

Oh I see, the objection would be a "hearsay" one. There are exceptions to the hearsay rule tho......time will tell.

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by JD81

I do too. As she became aware of what he had done, she started remembering things he did that weren't suspicious at the time.

That happens in other cases. imo [/*]

Yes, I think that as well.

Sherlocksmom

04-12-2008, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

That is just old erroneous information that was never retracted by anyone but Jacksonville Daily News. Sutherland specifically quashed the misinformation and since the first article was written by the JDN he went to them directly so that they could correct their error and they did. However the other outlets did not and still run on the old misinformation they had that has not been corrected.

Not one LE representative has commented on that since Sutherland put it to rest the last day of January.

And it connects the reason why Laurean was never charged with kidnapping.

imoo [/*]

I know thats your opinion GB which you are more than entitled to. I just don't share it and will wait for the truth to come out.

As you have pointed out they only know what Christina has told them and they do not know what CL's story will be. Nothing is absolute here, we can't pick and choose what is fact based on what we want to believe.

Babes

04-12-2008, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by hinman
To be honest in my opinion she is not much help. she told them what she knew half was not even correct. She did not get CL caught soon, she did communicate with him but didn't tell LE.

In my opinion she was not that much help and from that I can't understand why if she was the murderer they did not just arrest her.

Many believed she was not being arrested because she was helping. I do not see how she was helping though, she even lawyered up. [/*]

It wasn't immediately clear why authorities used a search warrant to seize the computer, since they still consider Christina Laurean a cooperating witness.

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/2722874/

IMO If she tells LE before that he's asking for money then they could set a trap that she'll give her money - she didnt do this- why? Why a search warrant is even needed from a cooperating witness to provide them the informations they greatly needed? (IP ADDRESS of the Internet Cafe Laurean used while chatting with her). I am happy that Laurean was caught and this will give justice to the Lauterbach's family but i do hope that we'll hear the side of the story from Cesar as well. I am very curious about the "Proof" he's talking about. I might not buy it but i would definitely want to hear it.

bkwits

04-12-2008, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by Kel65

It may be fishy but . . . IIRC, the same sentiments were expressed about the claim of a "raid", by posters on this board and wow, it actually was accurate.

As strange as this whole case is, it would not shock me if there is some truth to the motel rumor.

JMO [/*]

As far as I know it was one poster who had heard dubious information from someone else who said someone else saw them and they had registered under false names.

If true, what do you think Cesar told Ctina? They were not missing from work those days. IMO.

But think what you like.:shrug: The rumor mill is always operating.

MaryB

04-12-2008, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

Thank you for this info Mary. But, I thought they said it would be 60 days for the Justice Department to get all the paperwork squared away even if he didn't fight the extrdition?

Hope they found a way to expedite his return.

:patriot: [/*]

I was typing as I was listening to it and I only heard as little as a few days, but I'm sure it could be longer.

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5
I am pretty sure that I am free to self-diagnose myself. And I'm 100% sure I'm not a sociopath. I cannot believe the debate this has stirred! Do i need a note from a psychiatrist? [/*]

I think it's difficult for some to grasp "feeling sorry" for a murderer. But I understand you completely. One can feel sorry that someone, through HIS OWN DOING, lost what could have been a very fruitful and fulfilling life. We have heard nothing "bad" about him prior to this incident. He was a good Marine. A husband and father. He threw everything away. Yes, I feel sorry for him too. That of course does NOT equate with wanting to see him free and unpunished for a heinous crime.

nana2

04-12-2008, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

I guess each state has different rules, but, as I understand it, the spouse cannot testify to what the other spouse told her/him in a private conversation. I think she could testify as to what she observed.

I wonder if the emails can be shown as proof. Are they posted on myspace? I only have one experience with Myspace. It is a page set up for one branch of my family. You can post directly to it or send emails to everyone. I am totally uninformed about this. [/*] on myspace you also have the option to privately email the person or instant message with the person of your choice (the latter only if they are on your friend list)

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

Anytime i need you to interpret my posts for me, i will happily pm you. thank you anyway:D [/*]

No thanks. I responded to another poster and gave her my understanding of your recent postings.

Regina.Lampert
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quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by n/t

Why do you feel sorry for him? [/*]
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Because she's human, those of us who have nothing but contempt for this woman/baby killer apparently aren't.....is the way I'm understanding it.

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

I think it's difficult for some to grasp "feeling sorry" for a murderer. But I understand you completely. One can feel sorry that someone, through HIS OWN DOING, lost what could have been a very fruitful and fulfilling life. We have heard nothing "bad" about him prior to this incident. He was a good Marine. A husband and father. He threw everything away. Yes, I feel sorry for him too. That of course does NOT equate with wanting to see him free and unpunished for a heinous crime. [/*]

Thank you. I've also admitted to the sorrow i feel for christina for what was revealed from her diary and the remark cesar made about loving maria. jmo

JD81

04-12-2008, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Charlotte
The response letter from Lt. Gen. Kramlich to Congressman Turner is interesting. In it, he directly contradicts something that was said by Lt. Col. Hill during the Jan. 15 press conference.

Lt. Gen. Kramlich states that the MC gave Maria a copy of the MPO and That flies in the face of Lt. Col. Hill's repeated insistence that the original issuance of the MPO and each of its renewals were done NOT for her protection, but to protect barf "the integrity of the case."

Gee, a protective order really is meant to protect the "protected person" listed on it?? Glad he cleared that up. Now, why were the MPOs said to have been for the protection of "the integrity of the case," and not for that of Maria, at the PC?

There are a number of other things stated by Kramlich in this letter that contradict what has previously been said by military personnel... :read: [/*]

The answers from MC to the Congressman are bringing up some interesting discrepancies from what we have already heard. It seems they have a wolfe at their door.

jmo

Sherlocksmom

04-12-2008, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by JD81

Christina deserves that reward for blowing this case wide open and nobody else. jmo [/*]

Since she didn't offer up the fact that she was communicating with him (which isn't a crime) how do you figure she blew the case wide open. A reward is for someone who GIVES information to LE. She had no choice, they had a search warrant.

Babes

04-12-2008, 03:49 PM

And just like any other cases we followed - let's just wait for the trial - I am pretty sure we will be all suprise with many stories that we will hear from some witnesses who decided not to speak yet .... like those marine who attended the bbq party and others

And for Christina Laurean - if she's involved or not then please do take care of your 2 year old kid for now as she must be your priority and not Cesar or your love for him.

IMO

bkwits

04-12-2008, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

Oh I see, the objection would be a "hearsay" one. There are exceptions to the hearsay rule tho......time will tell. [/*]

If you are referring to private conversations between spouses as "hearsay" then no I don't think those rules apply. IMO, most courts are reluctant to breach the spousal privilege between husband and wife in private conversations.

I was wondering if the emails would be covered under spousal privilege.

Oh, another thing, if CL told someone else what he told Ctina, I think that voids spousal privilege. IMO

Babes

04-12-2008, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by nana2
on myspace you also have the option to privately email the person or instant message with the person of your choice (the latter only if they are on your friend list) [/*]

14 post for nana2? what happened to your post ?

Sherlocksmom

04-12-2008, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

Because I am not a sociopath concerned only with myself and my world. [/*]

LMAO Well neither am I but I have no sympathy for him. :punch:

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

If you are referring to private conversations between spouses as "hearsay" then no I don't think those rules apply. IMO, most courts are reluctant to breach the spousal privilege between husband and wife in private conversations.

I was wondering if the emails would be covered under spousal privilege.

Oh, another thing, if CL told someone else what he told Ctina, I think that voids spousal privilege. IMO [/*]

The only thing i can think of with emails is that most do not have an expectation of privacy with them. I'll see what i can find.

Kel65

04-12-2008, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

LOL. If she is charged with a crime and tried in front of a jury, and I highly doubt that. [/*]

Laugh all you want. Personally, I don't think it is a laughing matter.

Even if she doesn't have to go in front a of jury, widespread negative public perception will haunt her from some time to come. It bet it already does. Many people don't view her as the poor lady, who is married to the Marine, who killed a pregnant Marine.

I bet when she is out in town when someone recognizes her or hears her name called over a loud speaker, they have negative things to say about her to the person next to them, about how she probably did this or that. Some good basic PR early on could have helped thwart some of that and maybe made getting on with her life a little easier. IF she is so innocent, it couldn't have hurt anything. JMO

hinman

04-12-2008, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

I think it's difficult for some to grasp "feeling sorry" for a murderer. But I understand you completely. One can feel sorry that someone, through HIS OWN DOING, lost what could have been a very fruitful and fulfilling life. We have heard nothing "bad" about him prior to this incident. He was a good Marine. A husband and father. He threw everything away. Yes, I feel sorry for him too. That of course does NOT equate with wanting to see him free and unpunished for a heinous crime. [/*]
You brought up a good point. CL was a good father and I just don't seem him allowing Christina to come home with their daughter to a house that is covered and blood and a dead body just laying around.

I would say that he made sure stuff was in place before Christina and that baby got there. I do not know if he stalled her some how or what. I am sure LE know but it will be interresting to hear.

Babes

04-12-2008, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom

Since she didn't offer up the fact that she was communicating with him (which isn't a crime) how do you figure she blew the case wide open. A reward is for someone who GIVES information to LE. She had no choice, they had a search warrant. [/*]

I hope the reward will go to that "Anti-Kidnapping Task Force" from Mexico who got Cesar Laurean - I hope they will use it for funding their cause.

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom

LMAO Well neither am I but I have no sympathy for him. :punch: [/*]

lol

JD81

04-12-2008, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom

Since she didn't offer up the fact that she was communicating with him (which isn't a crime) how do you figure she blew the case wide open. A reward is for someone who GIVES information to LE. She had no choice, they had a search warrant. [/*]

From the very beginning when SB said her coming forward with the notes from CL through the emails.

jmo

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom

LMAO Well neither am I but I have no sympathy for him. :punch: [/*]

I'm no psychiatrist, but I could never see you as a sociopath. jmo

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by Babes
And just like any other cases we followed - let's just wait for the trial - I am pretty sure we will be all suprise with many stories that we will hear from some witnesses who decided not to speak yet .... like those marine who attended the bbq party and others

And for Christina Laurean - if she's involved or not then please do take care of your 2 year old kid for now as she must be your priority and not Cesar or your love for him.

IMO [/*]

I think Abrianna HAS been Christina's priority. IIRC, as reported yesterday, her suicidal thoughts in January were not acted upon because of her daughter. I also feel that her daughter is one of the huge reasons she has kept a low profile and is not overly concerned about the public's perception of her.

daniel green

04-12-2008, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Count me in as another who likes SB, A LOT! :rose: [/*]

Me, too.

His reputation is that underneath the bad grammar and folksy attitude is one helluva investigator.

hinman

04-12-2008, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

If you are referring to private conversations between spouses as "hearsay" then no I don't think those rules apply. IMO, most courts are reluctant to breach the spousal privilege between husband and wife in private conversations.

I was wondering if the emails would be covered under spousal privilege.

Oh, another thing, if CL told someone else what he told Ctina, I think that voids spousal privilege. IMO [/*]That is correct or if CSL told someone else. It is called the 3rd party rule.

nana2

04-12-2008, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by Babes

14 post for nana2? what happened to your post ? [/*] Hi Babe, I was robbed :(

But all is good I at least got my old name back :seeya:

bkwits

04-12-2008, 03:55 PM

daniel green

04-12-2008, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by Babes

I hope the reward will go to that "Anti-Kidnapping Task Force" from Mexico who got Cesar Laurean - I hope they will use it for funding their cause. [/*]

Same here.

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by JD81

From the very beginning when SB said her coming forward with the notes from CL through the emails.

jmo [/*]

if the fbi showed up at my house with a warrant, i would be inclined to "give" them stuff they asked for, too. it's my integrity:o

hinman

04-12-2008, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by Babes

I hope the reward will go to that "Anti-Kidnapping Task Force" from Mexico who got Cesar Laurean - I hope they will use it for funding their cause. [/*]That would be a good cause for the reward to go to. I hope they get it to.

nana2

04-12-2008, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

Thank you Nana2, I assume that Cesar and Ctina sent private emails, of course.

Btw, I'm also Nana to 6 grkids. [/*] nice to "meet" you I am up to 4 now :eek: (and from Decatur)

sorry for ot*

Mitzy2

04-12-2008, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by JD81

The answers from MC to the Congressman are bringing up some interesting discrepancies from what we have already heard. It seems they have a wolfe at their door.

jmo [/*] The one part that stuck out for me in that letter was that the MC stated they did not have CL's DNA on file or in a Data base. I find that very odd :confused:

Kel65

04-12-2008, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

As far as I know it was one poster who had heard dubious information from someone else who said someone else saw them and they had registered under false names.

If true, what do you think Cesar told Ctina? They were not missing from work those days. IMO.

But think what you like.:shrug: The rumor mill is always operating. [/*]

If he and Christina were having problems, maybe wasn't staying at the house at times? So, I'm not sure he would have told her anything. Speculating here.

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by hinman
That would be a good cause for the reward to go to. I hope they get it to. [/*]

it would be nice to see. jmo

hinman

04-12-2008, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by Mitzy2
The one part that stuck out for me in that letter was that the MC stated they did not have CL's DNA on file or in a Data base. I find that very odd :confused: [/*]I remember a debate going on about this and I thought that I read they could not use the DNA on file for him unless it was to identify him or something like that.

bkwits

04-12-2008, 03:58 PM

Sherlocksmom

04-12-2008, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

I'm no psychiatrist, but I could never see you as a sociopath. jmo [/*]

Whew.....:biggrin: Hubby might disagree if you asked him on the right day of the month!

nana2

04-12-2008, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by Babes

I hope the reward will go to that "Anti-Kidnapping Task Force" from Mexico who got Cesar Laurean - I hope they will use it for funding their cause. [/*] what a wonderful idea, me too

daniel green

04-12-2008, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

I think it's difficult for some to grasp "feeling sorry" for a murderer. But I understand you completely. One can feel sorry that someone, through HIS OWN DOING, lost what could have been a very fruitful and fulfilling life. We have heard nothing "bad" about him prior to this incident. He was a good Marine. A husband and father. He threw everything away. Yes, I feel sorry for him too. That of course does NOT equate with wanting to see him free and unpunished for a heinous crime. [/*]

I am not sure why that is difficult unless one is just shallowly one-dimensional or just totally out of touch with reality/humanity.

I feel sorry for him, as well. Very much so.

bkwits

04-12-2008, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by Kel65

If he and Christina were having problems, maybe wasn't staying at the house at times? So, I'm not sure he would have told her anything. Speculating here. [/*]

The motel incident supposedly happened just a few days before the murder.

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by Mitzy2
The one part that stuck out for me in that letter was that the MC stated they did not have CL's DNA on file or in a Data base. I find that very odd :confused: [/*]

there is a dna sample on file, but not for that purpose. it takes special circumstances and approval from the secnav to use it for paternity testing. they would have had to use a new sample. jmo

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom

Whew.....:biggrin: Hubby might disagree if you asked him on the right day of the month! [/*]

LOL. It's so nice seeing you again.

Kel65

04-12-2008, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

The motel incident supposedly happened just a few days before the murder. [/*]

I don't understand your point?

Sherlocksmom

04-12-2008, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by JD81

From the very beginning when SB said her coming forward with the notes from CL through the emails.

jmo [/*]

The notes she came forward with in the begining were not emails nor did they help find him. They got a search warrant for her sister's computer and found the emails. The Sheriff stated she did not disclose to them that she was communicating with him. Thats why he clarified that communicating with him was not a crime.

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

The motel incident supposedly happened just a few days before the murder. [/*]

I tend to think that was "gossip" but i'm sure le checked out the motel just in case. jmo

VC2

04-12-2008, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

If you are referring to private conversations between spouses as "hearsay" then no I don't think those rules apply. IMO, most courts are reluctant to breach the spousal privilege between husband and wife in private conversations.

I was wondering if the emails would be covered under spousal privilege.

Oh, another thing, if CL told someone else what he told Ctina, I think that voids spousal privilege. IMO [/*]

a spouse cannot be FORCED to testify against their husband/wife as to conversations.

That does not mean they cannot testify. Many a spouse has

imo

Miss Behavin

04-12-2008, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by henry

nope - it's the "comments" section" under each jacksonville daily news article where people post their comments . . . there used to be pages & pages of comments, but i don't see them there anymore . . . this story has a few

http://www.jdnews.com/news/gutheinz_56009___article.html/mexico_laurean.html

edit: the nope was to your 1st paragraph . . . not your last one :) [/*]

I've been to that JDNews site... lots of interesting and in-depth info. I read the autopsy report - OMG! How sad!

bkwits

04-12-2008, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

The only thing i can think of with emails is that most do not have an expectation of privacy with them. I'll see what i can find. [/*]

Thanks MW, I was thinking I remembered something about that. :hat:

gaelicpeas

04-12-2008, 04:05 PM

hi everybody :seeya:

I am finally caught up! Broke two metacarpals in my right hand yesterday (tripped on the top step in the parking garage at work heading to lunch and my hand hit the steel handrail as I fell). Anyway, I am slowly getting better at using the mouse with my left hand! I won't be posting much as it takes too long to hunt and peck with my left hand, but I will be here reading!

Back on-topic - I still feel committed to all of my theories (except the rug one :D ).

I think so many questions are still unanswered, vague, or unconfirmed. I also think it is possible that CSL's journal and the emails between CL and CSL could be further efforts to solidify their "story". Goodness, so much writing of stuff in this case!

I have lots more to comment on, but too hard to type and somebody out there usually says it anyway! Good to see so many of our old posters have returned plus lots of new posters - welcome!

One last comment about CL saying "I loved her". I think he was most likely referring to Maria - but could it possibly be that he loved "her" as referring to CSL, and that he killed ML for CSL? Not my top theory, certainly - but I like to keep all options open until we have solid proof.

JMO

Babes

04-12-2008, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by nana2
Hi Babe, I was robbed :(

But all is good I at least got my old name back :seeya: [/*]

You should try to get your original name back since this is now TruTV and not CTV lol

Nice to see yah again :seeya:

bkwits

04-12-2008, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by Kel65

I don't understand your point? [/*]

Never mind, I am finished posting on this. It is not credible. IMO

bkwits

04-12-2008, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

I tend to think that was "gossip" but i'm sure le checked out the motel just in case. jmo [/*]

Yes, I believe it was pure gossip. IMO

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
hi everybody :seeya:

I am finally caught up! Broke two metacarpals in my right hand yesterday (tripped on the top step in the parking garage at work heading to lunch and my hand hit the steel handrail as I fell). Anyway, I am slowly getting better at using the mouse with my left hand! I won't be posting much as it takes too long to hunt and peck with my left hand, but I will be here reading!

Back on-topic - I still feel committed to all of my theories (except the rug one :D ).

I think so many questions are still unanswered, vague, or unconfirmed. I also think it is possible that CSL's journal and the emails between CL and CSL could be further efforts to solidify their "story". Goodness, so much writing of stuff in this case!

I have lots more to comment on, but too hard to type and somebody out there usually says it anyway! Good to see so many of our old posters have returned plus lots of new posters - welcome!

One last comment about CL saying "I loved her". I think he was most likely referring to Maria - but could it possibly be that he loved "her" as referring to CSL, and that he killed ML for CSL? Not my top theory, certainly - but I like to keep all options open until we have solid proof.

JMO [/*]

You can also eliminate the "i think cesar is in jersey" theory. LOL

I hope you feel better soon.:D

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

Yes, I believe it was pure gossip. IMO [/*]
I'm sure when LE went to check it out there was another broken surveillance camera LOL

baywench

04-12-2008, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by JD81
It looks like Cesar got himself caught by making contact with familiy members and not only Christina either.

Since LE and DA Hudson are saying Christina broke this case wide open, I hope she gets the reward money. Just saying...........

jmo [/*]

I just started to catch up but I have to respond. Christina's computer was confiscated two weeks ago. Christina did not tell LE she was communicating with Cesar. I believe she cut a deal and e-mailed the Friday night e-mail that got him caught. She is cooperating to save her butt. Get a reward? You've got to be kidding. IMO

daniel green

04-12-2008, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

if the fbi showed up at my house with a warrant, i would be inclined to "give" them stuff they asked for, too. it's my integrity:o [/*]

Me, too!

Here, lemme give you those things a judge signed for you to seize, officer! :rolleyes:

hinman

04-12-2008, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

I tend to think that was "gossip" but i'm sure le checked out the motel just in case. jmo [/*]I am leaning that way to. I think Durham would of mentioned Maria staying away for a few days to the police and then they would check that out.

bkwits

04-12-2008, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by VC2

a spouse cannot be FORCED to testify against their husband/wife as to conversations.

That does not mean they cannot testify. Many a spouse has

imo [/*]

Yep, that's what I've been saying.

daniel green

04-12-2008, 04:11 PM

Sherlocksmom

04-12-2008, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
hi everybody :seeya:

I am finally caught up! Broke two metacarpals in my right hand yesterday (tripped on the top step in the parking garage at work heading to lunch and my hand hit the steel handrail as I fell). Anyway, I am slowly getting better at using the mouse with my left hand! I won't be posting much as it takes too long to hunt and peck with my left hand, but I will be here reading!

Back on-topic - I still feel committed to all of my theories (except the rug one :D ).

I think so many questions are still unanswered, vague, or unconfirmed. I also think it is possible that CSL's journal and the emails between CL and CSL could be further efforts to solidify their "story". Goodness, so much writing of stuff in this case!

I have lots more to comment on, but too hard to type and somebody out there usually says it anyway! Good to see so many of our old posters have returned plus lots of new posters - welcome!

One last comment about CL saying "I loved her". I think he was most likely referring to Maria - but could it possibly be that he loved "her" as referring to CSL, and that he killed ML for CSL? Not my top theory, certainly - but I like to keep all options open until we have solid proof.

JMO [/*]

Oh no Ms. Peas that sucks! As I was catching up today I kept thinking where is Ms. Peas at because I didn't see any posts from you. That explains why!

Good to see you and hope you heal quickly! :seeya:

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
hi everybody :seeya:

I am finally caught up! Broke two metacarpals in my right hand yesterday (tripped on the top step in the parking garage at work heading to lunch and my hand hit the steel handrail as I fell). Anyway, I am slowly getting better at using the mouse with my left hand! I won't be posting much as it takes too long to hunt and peck with my left hand, but I will be here reading!

Back on-topic - I still feel committed to all of my theories (except the rug one :D ).

I think so many questions are still unanswered, vague, or unconfirmed. I also think it is possible that CSL's journal and the emails between CL and CSL could be further efforts to solidify their "story". Goodness, so much writing of stuff in this case!

I have lots more to comment on, but too hard to type and somebody out there usually says it anyway! Good to see so many of our old posters have returned plus lots of new posters - welcome!

One last comment about CL saying "I loved her". I think he was most likely referring to Maria - but could it possibly be that he loved "her" as referring to CSL, and that he killed ML for CSL? Not my top theory, certainly - but I like to keep all options open until we have solid proof.

JMO [/*]

Hi gaelic :seeya: Sorry about your hand (and the rug theory)

And I agree - there's an awful lot of writing in this case.

Mitzy2

04-12-2008, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

there is a dna sample on file, but not for that purpose. it takes special circumstances and approval from the secnav to use it for paternity testing. they would have had to use a new sample. jmo [/*] TY, for clearing that up for me:)

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 04:13 PM

bkwits

04-12-2008, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
hi everybody :seeya:

I am finally caught up! Broke two metacarpals in my right hand yesterday (tripped on the top step in the parking garage at work heading to lunch and my hand hit the steel handrail as I fell). Anyway, I am slowly getting better at using the mouse with my left hand! I won't be posting much as it takes too long to hunt and peck with my left hand, but I will be here reading!

Back on-topic - I still feel committed to all of my theories (except the rug one :D ).

I think so many questions are still unanswered, vague, or unconfirmed. I also think it is possible that CSL's journal and the emails between CL and CSL could be further efforts to solidify their "story". Goodness, so much writing of stuff in this case!

I have lots more to comment on, but too hard to type and somebody out there usually says it anyway! Good to see so many of our old posters have returned plus lots of new posters - welcome!

One last comment about CL saying "I loved her". I think he was most likely referring to Maria - but could it possibly be that he loved "her" as referring to CSL, and that he killed ML for CSL? Not my top theory, certainly - but I like to keep all options open until we have solid proof.

JMO [/*]

OOOh GP, so sorry about your wrist, it sounds very painful. And it had to happen at the worst time for the case..now that something has finally happened. Get better soon. :rose:

Kel65

04-12-2008, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

Yes, I believe it was pure gossip. IMO [/*]

Probably a good possibility I just won't be shocked if a motel tape is used as evidence during trial. IMO

daniel green

04-12-2008, 04:14 PM

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 04:14 PM

Sorry about your wrist, gp. Welcome back. :rose:

gaelicpeas

04-12-2008, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

You can also eliminate the "i think cesar is in jersey" theory. LOL

I hope you feel better soon.:D [/*]

True! and thanks!

sunstar

04-12-2008, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by Babes

I hope the reward will go to that "Anti-Kidnapping Task Force" from Mexico who got Cesar Laurean - I hope they will use it for funding their cause. [/*]
Good afternoon :seeya: and that is the best idea I've heard!

daniel green

04-12-2008, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by wandering
What about the rape? And he murdered another marine. [/*]

We're not still nattering about the alleged rape, are we? :confused:

But, no, in answer to your question, there will not be a federal charge or trial.

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by baywench

I just started to catch up but I have to respond. Christina's computer was confiscated two weeks ago. Christina did not tell LE she was communicating with Cesar. I believe she cut a deal and e-mailed the Friday night e-mail that got him caught. She is cooperating to save her butt. Get a reward? You've got to be kidding. IMO [/*]

I think the email to Sheriff Ed two weeks ago is what finally brought it to a close. That's jmo though.

But, had she alerted authorities earlier, like in January, that he was attempting contact with her, it might have ended way sooner and saved the taxpayers some $$, not to mention the time invested by law enforcement.

Had she done that, I might have a different opinion of her today.

And I suppose thumbing your nose at law enforcement isn't a crime, it's pretty a shabby way of thanking them for being so gracious in their description of her "cooperative" status.

But reward that behavior? I don't think so.

gaelicpeas

04-12-2008, 04:19 PM

Thanks to everybody!

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Hi gaelic :seeya: Sorry about your hand (and the rug theory)

And I agree - there's an awful lot of writing in this case. [/*]

Long live the rug!

:patriot:

sunstar

04-12-2008, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
hi everybody :seeya:

I am finally caught up! Broke two metacarpals in my right hand yesterday (tripped on the top step in the parking garage at work heading to lunch and my hand hit the steel handrail as I fell). Anyway, I am slowly getting better at using the mouse with my left hand! I won't be posting much as it takes too long to hunt and peck with my left hand, but I will be here reading!

Back on-topic - I still feel committed to all of my theories (except the rug one :D ).

I think so many questions are still unanswered, vague, or unconfirmed. I also think it is possible that CSL's journal and the emails between CL and CSL could be further efforts to solidify their "story". Goodness, so much writing of stuff in this case!

I have lots more to comment on, but too hard to type and somebody out there usually says it anyway! Good to see so many of our old posters have returned plus lots of new posters - welcome!

One last comment about CL saying "I loved her". I think he was most likely referring to Maria - but could it possibly be that he loved "her" as referring to CSL, and that he killed ML for CSL? Not my top theory, certainly - but I like to keep all options open until we have solid proof.

JMO [/*]
I'm so sorry to hear about your accident and hope you get better soon! :) I still have my thoughts about her involvement despite what the DA said and believe she didn't send the money he wanted because her lawyer told her she could be charged with a crime. I just wonder now how she's feeling since CL proclaimed that "he loved Maria" unless that too is part of their "plan" for his defense.

daniel green

04-12-2008, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by wandering
Diaries are rarely produced in court. That's what I said. [/*]

Hey, Wandering.

I really like you (though I disagree on just about 100% with you on everything), but that's not true.

Diaries are produced in court all the time.

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
Thanks to everybody! [/*]

Lord, gp what would you have done if the guy that you said looked like Cesar came over to help you up?

:eek:

sunstar

04-12-2008, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

I think the email to Sheriff Ed two weeks ago is what finally brought it to a close. That's jmo though.

But, had she alerted authorities earlier, like in January, that he was attempting contact with her, it might have ended way sooner and saved the taxpayers some $$, not to mention the time invested by law enforcement.

Had she done that, I might have a different opinion of her today.

And I suppose thumbing your nose at law enforcement isn't a crime, it's pretty a shabby way of thanking them for being so gracious in their description of her "cooperative" status.

But reward that behavior? I don't think so. [/*]
And that email on 3/31 was from CL himself to Sheriff Brown, at least I got that impression from what I heard last night from the Sheriff. I'm not seeing where she was "helpful" and most of all why she should get any reward.

gaelicpeas

04-12-2008, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Lord, gp what would you have done if the guy that you said looked like Cesar came over to help you up?

:eek: [/*]

:eek:

nana2

04-12-2008, 04:23 PM

I will go on the record as saying I dont feel sorry for Cl, I did notice and audibly gasp at how "young" he looked , however my sympathy is for Maria, Gabriel and Family.

Christina......somehow I cant (as yet) muster an oz of sympathy for her either

daniel green

04-12-2008, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

They have had the computer for over two weeks and no arrest. I think Christina took a polygraph and passed. Those salivating over the arrest of Christina are going to be sady disappointed, imo. [/*]

Nobody is salivating for anyone's arrest. Why would they be? Why would anyone be that invested in a person they don't know?:confused:

However, I would bet the whole chicken farm, stew pot and coop and feathers that she has never taken a polygraph. As she has had a lawyer from very early on, I bet the chances of that are nil.

daniel green

04-12-2008, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

I'm sure they talked to her about it LONG AND HARD, and if she were "pulling a fast one" they could figure it out. LE has a way of figuring out lies......sit on her hard enough, and she'd have broken. Obviously they believe her. It's good enough for me.

IMO. [/*]

Good afternoon, SS.

I disagree that LE could have sat on her at all, let alone hard. She has a lawyer. All she has to do is say no thanks to any request to talk to LE.

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 04:27 PM

JD81

04-12-2008, 04:28 PM

All the answers are out from the MC to the Congressman. Many posters were waiting for that. Having gone over it, it is quite obvious why Congressman Turner is NOT happy with the responses.

Odd, since this is a board for Maria, this is being ignored.

Just curious..........

jmo

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by daniel green

Nobody is salivating for anyone's arrest. Why would they be? Why would anyone be that invested in a person they don't know?:confused:

However, I would bet the whole chicken farm, stew pot and coop and feathers that she has never taken a polygraph. As she has had a lawyer from very early on, I bet the chances of that are nil. [/*]

IMO, if she had taken and passed a polygraph, that would have been the first words ought of Welch's mouth yesterday. He would have made that a priority in his statement.

JMO

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 04:28 PM

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by nana2
I will go on the record as saying I dont feel sorry for Cl, I did notice and audibly gasp at how "young" he looked , however my sympathy is for Maria, Gabriel and Family.

Christina......somehow I cant (as yet) muster an oz of sympathy for her either [/*]

That's another misconception, IMO. IF you feel sorry for Maria and family you cannot, must not, feel sorry for Cesar. Or if you feel sorry for Cesar you don't feel sorry for Maria. I just see no winners here.....everyone lost....and I feel sorry for all of them.

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by JD81
All the answers are out from the MC to the Congressman. Many posters were waiting for that. Having gone over it, it is quite obvious why Congressman Turner is NOT happy with the responses.

Odd, since this is a board for Maria, this is being ignored.

Just curious..........

jmo [/*]

I saw nothing wrong with the replies. And I agree about it being obvious why Congressman Turner is NOT happy with the responses. They don't further his career, or fit with his and the family's preconceived answers to the questions asked. jmo

baywench

04-12-2008, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by daniel green

I have not caught up either, (have not started, really) but that one was just way over the twilight zone threshold.

Perhaps get a reward for being a woman, therefore, ipso facto, either/and/or a victim or heroine? :confused: [/*]

Dang i keep forgetting about that one.

nana2

04-12-2008, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

That's another misconception, IMO. IF you feel sorry for Maria and family you cannot, must not, feel sorry for Cesar. Or if you feel sorry for Cesar you don't feel sorry for Maria. I just see no winners here.....everyone lost....and I feel sorry for all of them. [/*] no Im just saying how I feel, even Marias mom said something about his family (praying for or whatever) but *I* dont and as for his family, I dont even go there

daniel green

04-12-2008, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by hinman
He is scared to death of what the military is going to do to him and their prison so I am satisfied with that. If the prison is so horrible there that he is begging for immunity then I say send him there.

How will that work any way? Will he go to a military prison? [/*]

Hey, hinman I am asking this respectfully. Because I want to understand this thinking.

Why are you "satisfied" that anyone is being sent to prison? Why are you satisfied that anyone would be sent to a horrible place?

Thank you. I look forward to your response.

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by daniel green

Good afternoon, SS.

I disagree that LE could have sat on her at all, let alone hard. She has a lawyer. All she has to do is say no thanks to any request to talk to LE. [/*]

Oh you're correct there...she has a lawyer. But IF she said "no thanks" we wouldn't have heard all the good remarks about her in that PC, IMO. I think her attorney encouraged her to talk and to talk openly, and that she did. And by "sat on her hard" I think there's a subtle way to do that and get the answers they need.

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by daniel green

Nobody is salivating for anyone's arrest. Why would they be? Why would anyone be that invested in a person they don't know?:confused:

However, I would bet the whole chicken farm, stew pot and coop and feathers that she has never taken a polygraph. As she has had a lawyer from very early on, I bet the chances of that are nil. [/*]

I disagree. Having an attorney does not preclude her from taking a polygraph. Many people take them to prove to law enforcement they are innocent. I believe Christina may have taken one and passed. It cannot be used in court, but would be a valuable investigative tool for LE, imo.

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by nana2
no Im just saying how I feel, even Marias mom said something about his family (praying for or whatever) but *I* dont and as for his family, I dont even go there [/*]

Fair enough.

baywench

04-12-2008, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by JD81
All the answers are out from the MC to the Congressman. Many posters were waiting for that. Having gone over it, it is quite obvious why Congressman Turner is NOT happy with the responses.

Odd, since this is a board for Maria, this is being ignored.

Just curious..........

jmo [/*]

You were curious about why so many thought they had a on-going relationship and that's been answered. I'm sure the other answers will become clear to you in time also. JMO

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 04:34 PM

daniel green

04-12-2008, 04:34 PM

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 04:35 PM

JD81

04-12-2008, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by baywench

Dang i keep forgetting about that one. [/*]

Hmmmmmmmm Could this be another round of eating crow coming up?:D

daniel green

04-12-2008, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by baywench

Dang i keep forgetting about that one. [/*]

How could you?

Isn't that like the first rule of boards?

bkwits

04-12-2008, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by JD81
All the answers are out from the MC to the Congressman. Many posters were waiting for that. Having gone over it, it is quite obvious why Congressman Turner is NOT happy with the responses.

Odd, since this is a board for Maria, this is being ignored.

Just curious..........

jmo [/*]

Hey JD,

I think we will get to that. I've only read parts of it. The MC is all over the place...lots to be discussed. I think it would be discussed at length here, had CL not been caught. The board is moving fast like in the old days. But we'll eventually get to it. :patriot:

hinman

04-12-2008, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by daniel green

Hey, hinman I am asking this respectfully. Because I want to understand this thinking.

Why are you "satisfied" that anyone is being sent to prison? Why are you satisfied that anyone would be sent to a horrible place?

Thank you. I look forward to your response. [/*]I don't need death in this case prison satisfies me.

I do believe in punishment, Do you not? I mean am I suppose to not want any one punished for the crime.

I am sorry but I do not feel sorry that Cl is being sent to a horrible place daniel and again I will be satisfied if he is.

daniel green

04-12-2008, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by baywench

You were curious about why so many thought they had a on-going relationship and that's been answered. I'm sure the other answers will become clear to you in time also. JMO [/*]

Oh, sigh. Baywech, you're not gonna hold your breath waiting for that, are you?

TIA

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by JD81

Hmmmmmmmm Could this be another round of eating crow coming up?:D [/*]

Someone ate crow? I missed it! The dang board was moving so fast I couldnt' keep up!:cuss:

Charlotte

04-12-2008, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

I saw nothing wrong with the replies. And I agree about it being obvious why Congressman Turner is NOT happy with the responses. They don't further his career, or fit with his and the family's preconceived answers to the questions asked. jmo [/*]

You don't wonder why one thing was repeatedly asserted by the MC at the press conference, and then directly contradicted in the official response to Congressman Turner? I do.

There are a number of things in that response letter that are either contradict what has been previously said by the MC, that contradict what posters here have exponded on, and that even contradict other things said by the same Lt. Gen. in the same letter.

I don't think we've heard the last of Congressman Turner, or Maria's family, on this. There's a lot to address in it, and I'm sure they will. The answers given don't fit with what the MC has already said, with their own written policy, and with each other.

Any "preconceptions" are not the family's, IMO.

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by Charlotte

You don't wonder why one thing was repeatedly asserted by the MC at the press conference, and then directly contradicted in the official response to Congressman Turner? I do.

There are a number of things in that response letter that are either contradict what has been previously said by the MC, that contradict what posters here have exponded on, and that even contradict other things said by the same Lt. Gen. in the same letter.

I don't think we've heard the last of Congressman Turner, or Maria's family, on this. There's a lot to address in it, and I'm sure they will. The answers given don't fit with what the MC has already said, with their own written policy, and with each other.

Any "preconceptions" are not the family's, IMO. [/*]

You need to be more specific.

hinman

04-12-2008, 04:39 PM

daniel green

04-12-2008, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by hinman
I don't need death in this case prison satisfies me.

I do believe in punishment, Do you not? I mean am I suppose to not want any one punished for the crime.

I am sorry but I do not feel sorry that Cl is being sent to a horrible place daniel and again I will be satisfied if he is. [/*]

No, I do not. I am not big into punishment. Sure don't see it work or that it is effective as a deterrent.

I believe that prisons should be to separate dangerous people from the rest of society.

Thanks for your answer. I am still wondering why any person not involved with the principals in this case would want punishment or, most especially, with being sent to a horrible place--which is really to the line of cruel and unusual and all that.

Oh, and, for the record, CL has not been convicted of a crime.

JD81

04-12-2008, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

Someone ate crow? I missed it! The dang board was moving so fast I couldnt' keep up!:cuss: [/*]

LOL Ya think? Everyone who was saying Christina was guilty. imo

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

Someone ate crow? I missed it! The dang board was moving so fast I couldnt' keep up!:cuss: [/*]

I did!

Had to eat it for the rug and cousin stuff.

Then strick came along and made me wash it all down with a jug of that Minute Maid punch (which is actually pretty good if you've got enough vodka in it :D )

Anyway, after all that I just barf

But I'll do it again if I have to.

Charlotte

04-12-2008, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

You need to be more specific. [/*]

I was quite specific in one post already. What else, specifically, would you like specifics on?

daniel green

04-12-2008, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by hinman
I don't need death in this case

snipped. [/*]

Again, asking this respectfully. Just want to understand your opinion and thoughts and this.

Why do you ever need or not need death in a case? :confused: I mean, as you are not involved in this case?

nana2

04-12-2008, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Fair enough. [/*] your cool :seeya:

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by JD81

LOL Ya think? Everyone who was saying Christina was guilty. imo [/*]

Oh, i wouldn't fire up the barbie just yet...JMO

JD81

04-12-2008, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

I did!

Had to eat it for the rug and cousin stuff.

Then strick came along and made me wash it all down with a jug of that Minute Maid punch (which is actually pretty good if you've got enough vodka in it :D )

Anyway, after all that I just barf

But I'll do it again if I have to. [/*]

I respect posters who can admit when they're wrong.:D

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by Charlotte

I was quite specific in one post already. What else, specifically, would you like specifics on? [/*]
Just as I thought. Moving on now. Next topic.

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by JD81

I respect posters who can admit when they're wrong.:D [/*]

It's a trait I like to see in others as well.

sunstar

04-12-2008, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

IMO, if she had taken and passed a polygraph, that would have been the first words ought of Welch's mouth yesterday. He would have made that a priority in his statement.

JMO [/*]
I agree with you, he would've been bragging about it. Since she hasn't been a suspect there's really no reason for her to take one or have to prove anything to LE.

n/t

04-12-2008, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

Because I am not a sociopath concerned only with myself and my world. [/*]

Are you saying those who don't feel sorry for Cesar are sociopaths? I didn't feel sorry for Scott Peterson or Cutts or any any killer who took the lives of innocent victims. Holy cow. I think I need rehab then. I didn't realize that made someone a sociopath. :eek:

Charlotte

04-12-2008, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

Just as I thought. Moving on now. Next topic. [/*]

Absolutely. Don't give a thought to the specifics in the post that's already been put up (twice). ;)

baywench

04-12-2008, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by JD81

Hmmmmmmmm Could this be another round of eating crow coming up?:D [/*]

Have you finished yours yet?

daniel green

04-12-2008, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Oh gosh yes, I was surprised.....shocked in fact. And also about Cesar stating he loved Maria! Now THOSE are the twists and turns, for me!

I don't know if I would use the words "keeping the faith" because to me that sorta implies a personal belief in Christina, almost as if I know her and had the opinion she wouldn't be involved in a crime such as this. Quite the opposite, I've never seen her pic (of course not, LOL!), have heard little about her...I have no vested interest or concern in her guilt or innocence. snipped[/*]

Post of the day, SS.

Good explanation why "keeping the faith" makes no sense in terms of a mssg board. Thank you!

And wow, me too. Totally shocked.

That he sais that he loved ML just blew me away. Of all the things I expected he would say, that had never entered my mind.

hinman

04-12-2008, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by daniel green

No, I do not. I am not big into punishment. Sure don't see it work or that it is effective as a deterrent.

I believe that prisons should be to separate dangerous people from the rest of society.

Thanks for your answer. I am still wondering why any person not involved with the principals in this case would want punishment or, most especially, with being sent to a horrible place--which is really to the line of cruel and unusual and all that.

Oh, and, for the record, CL has not been convicted of a crime. [/*]He is not convicted yet but hopefully he will be.

I respect your opinion and just like you do not understand mine I do not yours. When we do not punish I See no improvement neither so not sure how that would benefit a person.

I don't think prison is cruel now it probably use to be but prisoners got rights and I am all for their rights. Some prisoners have it better then free people. Tehy get free medical care and 3 square meals. I see nothing cruel about that.

JD81

04-12-2008, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Are you saying those who don't feel sorry for Cesar are sociopaths? I didn't feel sorry for Scott Peterson or Cutts or any any killer who took the lives of innocent victims. Holy cow. I think I need rehab then. I didn't realize that made someone a sociopath. :eek: [/*]

Me either. Wow! I don't lie killers at all.:eek:

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by JD81

LOL Ya think? Everyone who was saying Christina was guilty. imo [/*]

I haven't eaten any crow today.

bkwits

04-12-2008, 04:48 PM

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by Charlotte

Absolutely. Don't give a thought to the specifics in the post that's already been put up (twice). ;) [/*]

Forgive me for not caring enough about arguing with you that i would drop everything and go searching for a previous post. You brought it up. Not me. Again, Moving on.

daniel green

04-12-2008, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

I found this link to the story about whether Maria was forced to take money from ATM.

"Details misreported" http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laurean_54751___article.html/lauterbach_weapon.html

imoo [/*]

Thx, GB.

ML was not forced to go to the ATM.

from the link:

Cesar Laurean did not force the woman he is accused of killing to remove money from her account Dec. 14, as far as investigators know, authorities said Friday.

JD81

04-12-2008, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by baywench

Have you finished yours yet? [/*]

LOL That's rich. I always thought Christina was innocent. 100% right. I helped with the cooking. So much to cook!:D

sunstar

04-12-2008, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

Someone ate crow? I missed it! The dang board was moving so fast I couldnt' keep up!:cuss: [/*]
(I haven't yet :D )

daniel green

04-12-2008, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

Do you not believe in our (US) justice system? Just askin. [/*]

HUH?

Why would you think I think that?

Of course I do.

I also believe firmly that our system is a good one because it is not based on punishment.

hinman

04-12-2008, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by daniel green

Again, asking this respectfully. Just want to understand your opinion and thoughts and this.

Why do you ever need or not need death in a case? :confused: I mean, as you are not involved in this case? [/*]again I disagree.

I might not be personally involved but who pays for the trial?

and if no one was punished and then happened again say he crossed paths with my daughter and the same thing happened when it could of been prevented?

To say society has no invovlement is a scary thing. Trials are open to the public for a reason. The public should be more invovled and educate themselves all the laws of this land. JMO though. This case does affect me maybe not personally but it does affect me.

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by JD81

LOL That's rich. I always thought Christina was innocent. 100% right. I helped with the cooking. So much to cook!:D [/*]

Yes you have. You remind me of a poster at Lindell's blog. You two should get together for lunch. I can appreciate the 100% committment, even if I don't agree. :beer:

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by sunstar

I agree with you, he would've been bragging about it. Since she hasn't been a suspect there's really no reason for her to take one or have to prove anything to LE. [/*]

I think anybody who lived in that house should have and would have been considered a suspect. IMO. IIRC, Marc Klass was considered a suspect until he took an LDT and passed when his daughter, Polly, was kidnapped.

I don't have a link, but he has said that on several occasions.

JD81

04-12-2008, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by daniel green

HUH?

Why would you think I think that?

Of course I do.

I also believe firmly that our system is a good one because it is not based on punishment. [/*]

Just a kiss on the cheek and parole.:D

daniel green

04-12-2008, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

Forgive me for not caring enough about arguing with you that i would drop everything and go searching for a previous post. You brought it up. Not me. Again, Moving on. [/*]

That's for the best.

It's good to remember what was done to one of our best posters, MW.

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by JD81

LOL That's rich. I always thought Christina was innocent. 100% right. I helped with the cooking. So much to cook!:D [/*]

You're a scream. :lol:

Regina.Lampert

04-12-2008, 04:54 PM

crymeariver2006

04-12-2008, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

Yes you have. You remind me of Lily, a poster at Lindell's blog. You two should get together for lunch. I can appreciate the 100% committment, even if I don't agree. :beer: [/*]

Maybe twins separated at birth?

It's uncanny!

:eek:

daniel green

04-12-2008, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by hinman
again I disagree.

I might not be personally involved but who pays for the trial?

and if no one was punished and then happened again say he crossed paths with my daughter and the same thing happened when it could of been prevented?

To say society has no invovlement is a scary thing. Trials are open to the public for a reason. The public should be more invovled and educate themselves all the laws of this land. JMO though. This case does affect me maybe not personally but it does affect me. [/*]

I did not say society has no involvement.

And good point about your taxes paying not only for the trial--but for the outrageous price of penitentiaries or death pen cases.

Do you think that punishment, then, is a deterrent or keeps the person from doing it again? Or others from doing it again?

I thank you and I appreciate this discussion. It's very interesting to me.

marinewife5

04-12-2008, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by JD81

RED LIGHT RED LIGHT violation of TOS.
Not suppose to mention another poster here. Did you get permission?

jmo [/*]

I'm sorry. I'll fix it.

eta: fixed...my bad

bkwits

04-12-2008, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by daniel green

HUH?

Why would you think I think that?

Of course I do.

I also believe firmly that our system is a good one because it is not based on punishment. [/*]

It's not? We have the death penalty in many states. What is LWOP?

JD81

04-12-2008, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

I'm sorry. I'll fix it.

eta: fixed...my bad [/*]

I deleted it. Don't worry about it. Just delete your post.

daniel green

04-12-2008, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

It's not? We have the death penalty in many states. What is LWOP? [/*]

No, it is not. It is based on isolation of dangerous ppl from the rest of the community. LWOP is certainly that.

I believe the death penanlty is unconstitutional and is on its way out.

hinman

04-12-2008, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by daniel green

I did not say society has no involvement.

And good point about your taxes paying not only for the trial--but for the outrageous price of penitentiaries or death pen cases.

Do you think that punishment, then, is a deterrent or keeps the person from doing it again? Or others from doing it again?

I thank you and I appreciate this discussion. It's very interesting to me. [/*]I am actually enjoying this convo also.

I do think punishment is ment to be a deterrent and sometimes it does work and sometimes it does not.

I do not believe in the death penalty though.

bkwits

04-12-2008, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by JD81

Just a kiss on the cheek and parole.:D [/*]

Uh...Uh, which cheek would that be?hammer ooh I'm bad.

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by daniel green

No, it is not. It is based on isolation of dangerous ppl from the rest of the community. LWOP is certainly that.

I believe the death penanlty is unconstitutional and is on its way out. [/*]

ITA on the DP. Have always been totally against it.

I do believe in punishment for criminals though. I don't think too many get rehabilitated in prison. And I do think they get too many perks.

daniel green

04-12-2008, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by Pinetree
snipped
Is Christina the "Amber Frey" of this crime? I wonder if Gloria has contacted her? :shrug: [/*]

Please, please, please perish that thought.

Please.

SavannahStar

04-12-2008, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by daniel green

Please, please, please perish that thought.

Please. [/*]

Really.

sunstar

04-12-2008, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

I think anybody who lived in that house should have and would have been considered a suspect. IMO. IIRC, Marc Klass was considered a suspect until he took an LDT and passed when his daughter, Polly, was kidnapped.

I don't have a link, but he has said that on several occasions. [/*]
I remember Marc saying that, many times. I just wonder if it's possible Mrs. CL wasn't at home the night of the 14th or on the 15th and that's why LE is so sure she wasn't involved?

baywench

04-12-2008, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

Someone ate crow? I missed it! The dang board was moving so fast I couldnt' keep up!:cuss: [/*]

No one ate any yet....just wishful thinking. I forgot Squawk wasn't here anymore 'cos she would be eating for insisting that they did not have a consensual relationship. imo

daniel green

04-12-2008, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

ITA on the DP. Have always been totally against it.

I do believe in punishment for criminals though. I don't think too many get rehabilitated in prison. And I do think they get too many perks. [/*]

Good.

It's a shame that we are the only country aside from places like the Congo that uses the death penalty.

I agree in punishment for criminals, too. I just don't think prison is the way to do it for most of them. Probably 10-15% of criminals need to be isolated and kept in prison for ever but the rest are probably better and less expensively served by community programs and comminity service, education and drug/alcohol treatment.

Totally disagree on the too many perks in prison. While that may have been true in some prisons for some prisoners at some time, it's not the case now.

VC2

04-12-2008, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Oh you're correct there...she has a lawyer. But IF she said "no thanks" we wouldn't have heard all the good remarks about her in that PC, IMO. I think her attorney encouraged her to talk and to talk openly, and that she did. And by "sat on her hard" I think there's a subtle way to do that and get the answers they need. [/*]

ITA SS.

there is no way they would have been so positive, and rs said she never refused any request. i cant imagine a poly was not one of the requests

imo